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🌱 Chia 222hr Marathon: 🌱 Creating an NFT project Live Day 2 🌱
Recorded: Sept. 22, 2025 Duration: 3:00:52Space Recording
Short Summary
Ice Labs is set to launch an innovative NFT project, aiming to create a unique collection within a week while discussing funding strategies and community involvement. The team emphasizes collaboration with artists and developers, alongside plans for a token launch to reward holders, showcasing a strong commitment to growth and sustainability in the crypto space.
Full Transcription
Thank you. you
good morning good morning ice labs in the house we've got some we've got some more project work to go on today let's get this show on the road let's get this show on the road yeah I
think I think Edward is just just finishing up his spacer that he created
you know this is all part of the the 222 hour chia marathon space um so yeah we're gonna um we're gonna carry on
we're gonna recap what we did yesterday kind of uh um see what else we need to probably discuss
and then kind of maybe go through um you know some of the finer points that we've maybe missed or have a think about what we may be missed
We'll see how mr. Ice labs himself has got on with with creating his
Artwork and I can say from that from the back channels is looking pretty pretty damn good
GM mr. Ice labs. How's it going buddy?
Morning everybody good morning Edward good morning edward good morning yeah i can see in the back channels we we left it yesterday by um kind of creating a uh just a
a kind of a little chat in the back end there with myself edward degenerate you and then um
yeah i can see a couple of images you put in there that's a
that is a hell of a lot of work to put in in 24 hours that's looking really really clean
yeah that's just that's just the body and you asked for the face to to face the front a bit more
you can see i i adjusted the face and i haven't added the shoes yet because we haven't
discussed the shoes yet
so after we're done
with discussing the shoes and traits
then I can start with the shoes
Yeah, that was my thinking today
I have to excuse my dog, he found a squeaky
toy, squeak right in my ear
Yeah, my thinking today is
that we kind of go into
a bit more depth about the traits and um i said yesterday i was going to try and put up a google
sheet i didn't get a chance yesterday but we can do that kind of live today and well
we can share a share a google sheet behind the scenes of what we want to try and do so
we want to try and do so it will kind of try and narrow down each trait uh in a bit more detail
um but yeah i liked yeah my suggestion yesterday was trying to have the
jesus christ uh my suggestion yesterday was to kind of make the face slightly facing towards
the camera so to speak and i think you've nailed it uh you've got like the two eyes so it's like
it looks like the head's slightly slightly looking towards the person that's viewing
it so yeah I think that gives it a bit more character but yeah I really like
what you've done I think it looks really smart really smart
he's found the most squeakiest toy he can possibly find uh but there we go there we go um yeah let's
do a little recap then of what we did kind of yesterday and um and we'll kind of recap lurky
hope lurky's listening in uh and we'll we'll kind of go from go from there but um so yesterday we
kind of come up with the conception of what we wanted to try and achieve
which was you know create an nft project from start to finish within the week um within a
certain time scale uh and we worked out kind of the days so by by kind of the seventh and eighth
day which are the last couple of days of the 222 spaces we will um we will then uh have have them minted and auctioned on mint garden
um and then we just really we really probably need to nail down exactly what we're going to
do with the funds and where they go etc etc as well today so um yeah i mean how did it go for
you then yesterday ice labs um obviously i can see you put a lot of effort in and i love the kind of the shading
on the body and the and the head i don't know are we should we should we maybe share an image down
below there so that people can kind of see the first step the one that maybe the one with the um
kind of the the no the no feet that could be worth a share just to just to just to show people kind of the progress?
Yeah, I think it's okay for people to see the progress, but yeah,
I started sketching the character
as we were just talking about it. I was
picturing it.
I started doing the lines,
then I started making it a robot.
That's when I told you I wanted to do
a robot.
So I finished the sketch towards the ending of the space when I posted it in the group.
Then I took a short break.
I took my breakfast.
Later in the afternoon, I started coloring.
Then in the night, I did the shades, the light shades and the dark shades.
And when I posted it, I think everybody was asleep.
I don't know if our timing today is the same.
But it was also a nice time for me too.
So I just thought everybody was asleep.
So I also just went to sleep and just hoping for today's space.
We can make more progress.
Yeah, I think everyone is asleep yeah unless you're unless you're kind of europe based um everyone's probably asleep uh which is fine it kind of it does two
things really it helps out the two two two marathon space because we're um we're kind of
taking one for the team and hitting the uh hitting the
unsociable hours which is which is fine uh and then by the time we finish this we've got kind
of tea money waking up and grizzle and all those those guys and then and then off it goes again so
um uh yeah what i'm gonna do is let me let me share just a little screenshot of what we've done so far down below this
space there we go or what you've done so far should I say because it's looking
good let me tag you in there
progress making progress cool right let me post that and then I can pin that to the top
there we go
hopefully that'll appear at the top of a minute yeah so um i think what we probably need to do
then to to kind of give you a head start and i think de jenna de jenna did say in the back
channels that she's she's working today so she's likely not going to be able to get into the space
but um but we can kind of um um maybe break down some of the kind of traits.
And then I think if between yourself and Jenna, you can probably fan out some of that workload so that you're not doing everything.
And then we can do that.
We can.
We've got a list here.
Let me fire up a google sheet somewhere let me
see if i can do a new one file new spreadsheet um and then i think we can kind of discuss and maybe
maybe have like a uh a live type up of exactly what we want for each each trait to kind of
narrow it down a bit um i think yesterday we we kind of got into the stage
where we knew we knew what we were we were kind of going to going to put for each trait but i think
we maybe need to get a bit more detail so um and then i think he said yesterday ice labs about
kind of body type uh making kind of a common a rare and a sort of super and ultra rare versions
of the body type um i don't i don't know if you have any more thought on that one as well
yeah definitely uh i thought of the body type we're not gonna only have just one body so just
one body robots like this is the similar one so we can have like uh one with uh maybe a golden one
that could be a rare one uh the other one could have circuits going around the body like glowing
circuits and the ultra rare um that's i'm gonna have to sketch that one a bit because i want to
make it look very good like it has to look ultra rare like the name
yeah what i say yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah definitely yeah i think uh the the one of the
and this is kind of a bigger picture thing for nft projects and people who create nfts you kind of want you spend so a lot of time creating kind of the
rarer and super rare ultra rare type of traits within a collection um and it's always such a
shame that there's they're only used a few times you know it should really be the opposite way
around where you spend most of the time on the more common traits so you make them look really good um and slightly better than the the one that are less but uh it's always a dilemma uh you know
within within kind of uh the monkey zoo project for instance um is quite trait driven and the
rarer traits are usually kind of um uh will kind of make them either like uh gifts gift type uh animations that that you
know add a little bit of extra rarity to them and they're probably only used like two or three times
but they're the bits that take the longest to make so uh that's kind of the irony of it
i suppose right i'm going to make this spreadsheet which i'm kind of making right now
so along the top um in fact i'll put them down sideways i think uh so i'm gonna
so we're gonna have the traits so i've got body type headband trainers uh
Body type, headband, trainers, water bottle, medal, vest, and black band as well.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
I've got my dog squeak and stuff.
I've got the robot vacuum coming in.
It's like we're on a work day now we're on a
work day christ um yeah so bear with me while while my my dog attacks me and the uh the hoover
tidies up around my feet right there we go so if i have a column of so body type headband trainers water bottle metal vest background uh and then i guess down the side
down the rows we probably want to put the um the names of the people slash what we were going to
call them am i doing this the right way am i doing this the right
way we want to we want to make sure we've got enough space for information to go in there so
we can we can share that between us um and then i was thinking actually um edwards obviously edwards
is going to kind of take control of the background side of things of the project and um i think now we've now we've got like the kind of uh starting point with the image of the of the
robot running then you could kind of get a feel of how maybe the background should look um for the
kind of different different rarities i suppose um but yeah we're on we're on only day two of what we're creating so
we're we're early days early days um so what kind of information do you think you need in this
spreadsheet ice labs so if something between you and jenna was to kind of look at and obviously
edward myself um what what kind of information would would be able to
so that everybody can kind of interpret what's needed i guess i guess i guess uh
just the names just the descriptions just the names of the traits uh i think if you if there's
going to be four headbands just detailed descriptions of the headband,
so that I can picture exactly what the headband would look.
I think I can work on the shoes, the vests, and the medals.
So, you can go ahead with the headbands and the water bottle.
Yes.
Yeah, that sounds about right that sounds good sounds good so i
want to i want to set this spreadsheet up so it's such a way that we can um um easily see so we want
basically a dis like a name the name of the trait well maybe we want the name of kind of the person
it's kind of linked to so we've got a link back to what we're going to put inside
the metadata um i mean the spreadsheet really can be
kind of all encompassing so you kind of got the
name of the person the kind of description of what we're
trying to do or try what it's going to look like
the kind of metadata wording that's going to go with that
trait um and obviously the kind of rarity that goes with that as well so we can kind of break
it down a lot more than we we probably um probably think so oh i'm gonna have to think about a
spreadsheet and how to set it up now all these little things though they all um they all make kind of it all
comes together to get one of the big things as well actually when you're when you're kind of
doing these projects and especially when you're working with other people it's not so bad when
you're working completely on your own because you can you've got it all inside your head you know what you're doing um and and so with kind of the monkey
zoo project like it's myself um tom who's kind of one of the artists uh gordon who's one of the
developers greg and there was clyde involved at some point um so you kind of need this central
place where everybody knows kind of what's happening uh at the same time otherwise uh as you'll learn like
i'm kind of a an ex-project manager myself but as you learn fast that um if if if all the people
involved doesn't know what's happening trust me it goes wrong pretty pretty damn fast
it's all over the place but um right okay right let me get my dog out of the way bear with me one second
let me sort the dog out shut the door and then i can concentrate and get this spreadsheet correct
bear with me a second
right okay the door shut
let's go for
cut them out and then what I'll do is I'll kind of share this enough in there let me open this page up sure copy link don't share we'll call it I think we called it space runners space runners trait sheet save that
and you know I'm gonna go out there copy the link let me go back in here
messages where are we here messages not that one that's the one especially for traits pop that in there right there's a i don't know if you can pin
pin things in um in twitter chats probably can't probably can't
all right let me open that up done okay so let's go for um so that document's kind of now live in the background which
um common rare uh what did we say super ultra ultra um guys it's quite a complicated spreadsheet when i'm thinking about it
anyway let me let me go so let's let's just talk about kind of the
the kind of body types then as a as a common rare super and ultra rare
um so the common one is good just going to give you the standard one what maybe the kind of
the grayish one that you're you've been producing now that that's kind of the uh the standard common
one so let me put the let me put gray common in there gray standard okay the rarer one then what's your what's your kind of thinking on on the kind of next step
up um a rarer one should be a gold one a golden one is that going to be the the rare super or
ultra the rare the rare so golden golden body for the rare. Okay, super rare then
Super should have
circuits going around and under joint circuits coming around from joints
Burkitts. Yeah. Yeah
Joints
Yeah, and then the ultra
the ultra is gonna have uh effects like maybe lightning effects going all over the edges and uh gotcha yeah cool okay let's cut that out there let's do the same for let's do the next one along so let's go on to be
nice great let's go headband then I saw I think we had the headband was going to be so we have like a Josh painter which
is kind of a go for me so let me just put like a little description in there
so so maybe so it's a Josh go for me and then kind of what we want that to look like is another is a completely different question
um just going for me
so looking at the kind of headband go for me, I mean, could that simply just be wording?
Really?
I suppose.
I don't think that would make much difference.
So ideas behind that, I would say, you know, if you're doing something go for me wording seven up at the website the go for me website go for me
dot go for dot me yeah so like I would say just looking at the go for me kind of website you've got the kind of
the logo at the top of their page which looks like the little gopher behind the the wording
of go for me well you could probably um you could probably take the actual logo of the wording there
to go across a headband with some sort of some form of color so go to wording
look at website
yeah with me look at website for me
logo wording.
All right, okay.
Okay, next one then that's what next one next one right I wrap these up I don't know about anyone else but I grew up in a world of Excel and the Google kind of sheets are fantastic but it's always some subtle differences
about how you do things
things
anyway this is what it is for now um okay so headband was the next one
along was the we said was going to be the two two
kind of trait um let's have a look
so thoughts on a headband head headband that has the 222 tray should that kind of be
just the wordings or just the numbers 222 or should that kind of be something more to it
let's have a look let me just put uh maybe 22 two numbers question mark the next one we said was Steve steps
Steve steps kind of train maybe it's there the weekend cheer kind of thoughts on that one um then we've had uh utopes which again
maybe was the i think we said uh women in web three put that down there okay trainers
okay trainers then I see you've kind of made a star on the trainers so we can
probably you can probably go into a bit more detail with them so the first one we had was
Michael Taylor's kind of big node thoughts on so it's like just looking at the kind of the trainer
the trainer kind of um uh prototype that you've created already ice labs. Let me just have a quick scan on there.
Let it go.
About 50,000 screens all set up
yeah kind of looking at that prototype then it looks like the kind of lines
could be or you you can kind of make them um however we want them to look really
because they they they kind of got the uh that kind of aesthetic to them so they can be
utilized however we want which is cool you're thinking on the trainers then what about um
um what is your thoughts on on those um like when it comes to like the rare, ultra rare?
What's your thing?
Since, you know, you put the common, the Taylor Dignote is going to be on the common one.
a common one so uh maybe he has a logo or a name you can put there then uh the rare one should be
So maybe he has a logo or a name you can put there.
uh another brand of sneakers because that's just normal sneakers then it should be another brand
of sneakers uh the super one uh the super one should be a more cooler brand more colors uh
since the gen is to be we spoke about
the jenna is going to be on the sneakers so i'm going to have a very colorful a very shiny
one then for the ultra i'm thinking maybe rocket boosters rocket booster shoes for the ultra one
cool let me put that in there so rocket booster uh so so let's just do it so we're looking at
and jenna and fomo show
so thinking like um i mean are they in kind of the right order I
guess it doesn't really matter so rocket booster maybe let's have a look
let's have a look right sorry go for it go through that again there so the common ones are kind of just the kind of okay let me cut that out pop up there i can sort all these out properly in a bit but at least i
can get the information down so we said but kind of the ultra one is kind of the rocket booster
one which i love love the sound of that like some some kind of maybe some gases or something coming out the bottom uh that sounds like really cool um
so what did we say for the super one sorry i was typing
the super one is going to be colorful uh degenerate and like more colors, different colors, like whole rainbow colors on this.
Yeah, gotcha.
So like a rainbow colored.
Yeah, cool.
What do we say for the rare one?
It's going to be a different brand sneaker, different style.
A different style, yeah.
Different brand slash style.
Cool.
So the kind of the reason that I'm doing this now is that what I can do then kind of maybe this afternoon is I can start thinking about kind of the metadata and how that should read and how it should, how it should appear inside the metadata so that when it's when it appears onto mint garden and space scan and Dexy and all that they actually it actually looks
pretty good that's that's kind of where we want things to go the metadata is
often they could have forgotten part of the puzzle let's copy that okay when it comes to the okay water bottle then so I think we
said we had a track one a rigidity one a mz1 andlyde one okay so what did we say there though so so i think the water bottles
really are pretty much going to be standard across did you say did you say you were going
to take control of that one or did jenna water bottles the j, yeah, she even talked about doing maybe
different coloured
lids. The water bottle lids
should be different. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember now. I remember now.
So Dijana's on water bottles
trainers.
Cool.
And headbands. sorry okay water bottles then
common common themes so drac I guess we'd be looking at probably Blimey, what did we say? We said some sort of tank or some sort of microphone wasn't it?
Microphone
Microphone
Orange
So a tank talk feel to it something like that anyway
Rigidity we said was going to
basically go down the sage route so we can do that mz me i don't know i'll leave that up to
to jenna to do climb was tied with like kind of big brain okay going across then the
medals common rare super so copy that paste that there
okay medals then we said team money was gonna have one
um yourself ice labs um a bullish type one and what was the other one there was one more oh
foods foods as in the Jeff to genome suggested the crying one probably don't want to do that one. Okay.
Right, okay.
So when it comes to the medals, then,
what's your kind of thinking?
Because we talked yesterday maybe about how the medal would have to flow
behind the character rather than hanging down
so it
doesn't interfere with kind of the body or the vest of it so the medals are
good medals I guess you know when you're talking about there they've got to be
different different rarities you know we want to try and keep it as simple as possible so you don't
have to create kind of four different versions. Like you just want to be able to alter the
centerpiece of the medal maybe. I don't know, what's your thinking on the medals?
I think the ribbon. We're going to work on the ribbon. The ribbon should be different.
The four ribbons. Yeah, the ribbon should be different ribbon. The ribbon should be different. The four ribbons.
Yeah, the ribbon should be different and also the medals should be different.
So like ribbon in color of the medal.
So you've got like bronze, silver, gold, diamond, maybe something like that.
common ones should have only one color uh the rare ones should have two stripes yeah
Yes, and the ribbon should have, maybe the common one should have only one color. The rare one should have two stripes.
yeah the ultra rare should have three and so on cool so if i put in that box ribbon of one color
uh slash bronze something like that
okay that makes sense and then the kind of rarer one would be
you say one strike once right one stripe slash silver the super one would be two stripes did we say two stripes slash gold and then maybe kind of the ultra rare one
what did we say for the stripes or three stripes on the on that one yeah three stripes three i'm
looking at a couple i'm looking at a couple medals in my room that i won from racing there you go that's where you get this inspiration from that's uh often goes
like that okay okay okay okay and then we've got the kind of backgrounds now which oh no fests sorry best best best we cut that put down here a bit okay so the vests then uh we said we were going to have like an uh
um how was you thinking about doing the vest then because it seems a shame to kind of
like add anything on top of the robot itself uh are you just thinking about just changing kind of
the um the i guess the the chest plate of the of the robot no i think the vest would be cool
the best would be cool with uh two two two written on the chest what to add like add it as a uh
something that goes over the top of this structure already yeah cool okay
yeah cool okay
right okay what are your kind of thoughts then on the on the rarity side of the vests then
like going from rare to ultra rare
um i think the common the common one uh would have maybe the 222 is going to be on some kind of square on the vest.
So the common one shouldn't have that square.
And the rare one should have the square but a different color.
Then the super rare should have the square but a different color then the superior should have another color
and also um there's gonna be like stripes on the top of the vest like going down
making a big curve down yeah yeah yeah i understand yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, so different kind of color, color kind of aspects to it.
Different color slash. Yeah, because the thing with the thing with the vest is when you're looking at it from like creating it, you're kind of looking at that.
That's that's kind of the probably the largest visual trait there is.
So you have to be you have to be kind of careful with how
you how you look at those sorts of things or how you design those as well
yeah so let me let me put so maybe the color no box color box say multi color and box and it's kind of the same for the last one isn't it right okay apart from all my
terrible spelling kind of got a working progress our background we need to do as well let me cut that out okay
that okay it's kind of coming together kind of making more sense I think once
we've got these in place you can probably start looking at how the wording needs to be done as well and then i guess there's uh there's other decisions to be made which would be better
if there's that more on more we'll try and make um when it comes to kind of the uh decision making
when it comes to you know percentages of royalties that type of thing we'll we'll do that together as a um as a
as a group either behind the scenes or on stage if we can get if we can get all four of us it looks
like there's going to be four of us that are kind of controlling how we how we move this forwards
and i do like the um the idea of um the kind of uh the the yearly type thing doing it on a yearly thing seems like a good idea
it seems like good fun as well paste that there okay yeah message from de jenna in the background sorry lay at the office we'll send any feedback
here can't join the speakers that's fine de jenna we're um we've just um just to kind of catch you
up all we've done so far really is just trying to start to uh put a spreadsheet together in the background of um
what all the traits actually are so that we're we're all on the same song sheet when it comes
to their uh backgrounds then i think that's the last thing we kind of need to talk about i mean
is there um you know is there maybe a common theme
we said there could be more than more than four or maybe we just want to stick to the four so it's
the same sort kind of as everything else there's four kind of um four kind of background types uh
maybe there is just i don't know i don't know we'll have to backgrounds is a
funny one because um uh the backgrounds are quite fun i think you can you can play around with them
and really do something different so um right okay okay rather than rather than me kind of
building this this spreadsheet up now i can kind of work on that in the background and uh and go from there but i think we've kind of got we've kind of got all
the traits and type of things in place uh and i think if degena is kind of happy taking on
what did we say we said the water bottles and the headbands um are you going to create kind of a template for her to
play with so it's um you know the right kind of uh it will fit on the robot if that makes sense
no i i i trust the jenna 100 uh she just gets the base the base card so she can
she can play with do whatever card so she can do whatever.
Cool.
Yeah, she can play with it however.
Cool.
I like it.
Well, she's a talented artist, like yourself.
Yeah, okay.
So that puts us there. So we've got kind of a list of traits, etc.
I can build on that over the day.
We can work on that over the day we can we can work on that um do we want to i think we've got kind of people in the background there
listening so
yeah i just she just needs the pixel side she's got in the chat there uh if you get the png file
that'd be great um i don't know if the
janitor do do you use illustrator degenerate or do you what what do you kind of use to draw
um would be a bit of interest interesting because i presume icelab you're using uh illustrator to
kind of do do what you're doing right now yeah i use i use illustrator i think the general uses procreate pocket um i'm not
mistaking is it procreate on ipad ah yes i've often seen her with the um with the pencil out
yeah that makes sense um okay okay so just taking a step back from the from what we're working on right now um i just wanted to
dive in because i i don't know you very well ice labs at all and yesterday we spent the whole kind
of space talking about the project and creating it coming up with the ideas and kind of building
it from start to finish but i don't really know very much about yourself so i was going to ask
uh ask you because i can see you clearly a talented artist um you know how long how long have you kind of been sort of working on artwork
and um uh and you know what nft projects have you got out there what are you working on what
your thoughts i was just gonna i was gonna dive in a bit more to see to sort of talk about you
so you're clearly talented and
you've got the you've got the capabilities to do these spaces and kind of show people how to start
using illustrator so um yeah what tell us a bit about yourself if you don't mind
yeah i'm i'm 23 i'm nigerian uh i go into this space around 2023 when I was actually looking for an artist at the time because I didn't have nothing to do art.
I was looking for an artist to help me do a project on Postchain. That's when I stumbled on the Tang Gang.
That's when I stumbled on the Tang Gang.
Then a friend told me I could do, like, if I could do a free mint for the Tang Gang and have my paid ones, I could do a sellout.
That's when I started doing the free mint Fridays.
So we did many free mint Fridays, like maybe 10 to 20 times, I think.
We did many collections for that.
Before that, I first did the OG passes on Postchain.
That's what gives you access to free mints of every collection,
free airdrops for every collection.
So later down the line, we started moving into Chia.
Yeah, people started moving into the Chia. At first I heard about Chia, but I didn't know
anything about Chia. I saw it as a confused version. That's what I thought at the time.
Before I started doing some research, I looked into Mintgarden, started listening to more Chia spaces.
So that's when I think it was last year around December.
So I started working on the OG passes for Chia.
Same with the Postchain.
Same with the ones on Postchain.
Then I launched the ICE token the ice token uh it was just meant to reward holders of my nfts i did a couple airdrops
of the ice token to og pass holders uh then i released my first collection on Chia. That's the Ice Penguins.
It was a forked version of the Ice Penguins on Pulse Chain.
That was my first collection on Pulse Chain.
So I forked it and put it out on Chia.
I did two to three months slow drip of the ice token to hold this of the penguins.
And it went very well. i got many mints of it
yeah so uh along the line um progressing a bit getting to know more people and actually the
genna the genna actually helped helped me i asked her that at the time i didn't know how to use MintGardens Studio. You know, I had to sync the node.
I had to do, like, I spent two weeks just syncing the node of my wallet
because, you know, we have electricity issues here.
I didn't have the electricity.
I had to, like, struggle.
So I finally got to do it.
I finally got to do it.
I synced my wallet.
Then I minted the collection
you know if i if i if i want to do something on the chia wallet up to today i have to re-sync it
but like it's not the same as the one i did first because i had to download a like a 180 gig file
80 gig file so along the line I released this collection on my PFP the chill
bots it was supposed to be a traits traits airdrop like so I did two traits
airdrops after the 140 minted I did a airdrop for the wizard hat traits.
And I held a vote, a big vote
for which traits was gonna be the next to get the ice airdrop.
And people voted the ice chain.
There was a trait inside the ice chain.
So I did another airdrop for the ice chain.
And along the line line as people mint as it's it's it's it's it's
350 up for sale so if it reaches 200 minted i'm gonna do another airdrop or another traits which
i think i'm gonna just hold the vote because i just can't pick which traits because uh i'm gonna let the people decide which
traits is gonna be and i also have one of ones of this chill bot i was gonna release some
then uh i started getting engaged with the spaces so i think i'm to release those after the spaces. And as the normal chill bots means.
Yeah, so these are the collections I have now on Chia,
the ice penguins and the chill bots.
Cool.
I've just checked out.
I know that I grabbed some of the penguins,
and I've definitely got like a million ice.
I bought some ice.
I can't remember what the price of that was at the time, but I remember grabbing some of that at the time.
Let me pin this to the top.
The chill bots are really cool.
So you're Nigerian based.
And like you say, I mean, I don't know a great deal about Nigeria, but are there like problems with electricity?
And, you know, what's kind of the sort of Internet and, you know, the speeds of the Internet?
Is that is that reasonable? Is it easy enough to kind of, you know, you talked about having to download the 180 gig kind of full full mode um but is it
is it kind of is it more of an issue than than maybe we think it is like kind of the power and
and internet connections yeah the power before i had problems with the power before i bought a solar
a solar generator that's when i, I now have power 247.
But before then the power would just come on
maybe three hours in the morning,
maybe one hour in the afternoon, then in the night,
maybe two hours.
Some days you could wake up, they could say the power grid is down.
You could have no electricity for a whole week.
Like electricity is a struggle here in nigeria
but the internet is fast it's very fast we have 5g now so if you just pay for the internet you're
good to go wow it's something that um i guess the western world hasn't had to really think about for well um i don't know 50 years like uh struggling with power
so yeah that's uh that's a difficult one but like you say if you've if you've got yourself some solar
solar power now that makes a hell of a difference i did it and and and it's good to hear that the
the internet's fast we actually one of the kind of um downsides i i would say of the western world is that
in particularly the uk is we are quite lacking behind when it comes to kind of download speeds
uh or internet speeds um you know compared to compared compared to many places in the world
that are much faster so i mean i'm curious i haven't had to download the
the chia database the the db for the blockchain i don't know for a long long time because i make
sure that i've got i've got two copies running and um uh i've got it kind of backed up as well so
hopefully i'll never have to do that anyway but how long did it take you to download the database
180 gig or whatever it is now yeah it was just it was just uh it was just maybe one day just 24
hours to just download the node and a couple more days to let it sink i had to leave my laptop on
if the power went off it would do it on the laptop uh battery yeah the
lat if the battery goes off then i have to look for more power i would just go around looking for
power plugging in my laptop just thinking the note people were looking at me like they don't know
what i was doing yeah they thought i was just uh wasting my time but like i i was the only one that
know what i was doing yeah that's good it's good so like you you've come from like a journey from
kind of pulse chain and um you know you're you're you're a young man um sort of making making your
way so yeah that's that's great so um let's have a look at these chill bots here so
take me through the chill bots again because that's kind of your pfp there um and just looking
on mint garden i can see like you've got you know you've got the backgrounds the bodies the eyes the
headwear uh and the outfit so it's kind of down the road of what we're we're doing right now as well
uh which is which is great um give me some alpha here what am i looking for when it comes to kind of
the rarities because i'm presuming you put rarities into into these traits
yeah the crowns the crowns are the rarer ones but like the crowns just got swept up they got swept up uh right after i posted it
just people were just going for the crowns and the wizard hats yeah and the brain the brain in
jar one is very rare i think there's a there's a few brain in jar so and the ice chain also the
ice chain got the second airdrop so as it means when it reaches 200 minutes now i'm gonna do another airdrop of
ice token gotcha i feel the i feel the urge to to uh i think there's one two three four five six
twelve four there's 14 brain brain traits brain and a jar traits left on the floor at 0.15 i think uh i think i'm going to
sweep them up today they look like they're mine uh let me have a look at the eye traits here so
you've got the circle the terminator and the x's oh i see yeah yeah see i like that i like the way
that you've kind of um uh just kind of used the eyeballs there
as the as the different traits that's cool uh and then the outfits what we got on the outfits here
let's have a look
yeah orange sweater i bet they i bet they look cool sweater
Sweater, I bet they look cool.
Sweater.
Lab coat, I like the lab coat.
Jeans jacket.
I mean, you've clearly got a lot of talent here.
Ice chain, that is nice.
That is nice.
The hoodie is very cool.
Green jacket, like it.
You think this one is cool, but let me post a sneak of the v2 i've been working on
these are more complex like more fire arts i put much more work in it there's just gonna be 50
editions they are very cool it's i'll tell you what is as well. It's kind of right up my alley of artwork.
It's definitely like my kind of style of artwork as well.
If you kind of look at the Monkey Zoo project as well there, it's that sort of style.
I do like it.
Yeah, I did.
I took the Monkey Zoo character.
Absolutely. Okay.
What do you mean? What to like?
I did a crown trait and a crown robe and a staff, holding a staff.
Yeah. Very cool. Very cool. traits and crown robe and staff holding a staff yeah very cool very cool yeah if you can yeah pin it pin us a sneak peek as well yeah I just pinned it I'll
have a look have a look oh nice very nice and and like for instance that one there is that is that all hand-drawn or is
there a bit of ai in the background yeah the background is ai but the character is hand-drawn
on illustrate yeah that's nice it's very cool that's very cool yeah i i mean i kind of love the uh you know the the sort of the thick outlines
of the of the character uh yeah the head is amazing i love it like that body the kind of uh
circuit very talented very talented yeah awesome awesome yeah well i think um uh you know i have a i've got a couple of artists that
kind of do work work for the monkey zoo stuff and um i'm in the process right now of um
creating some some kind of children books um and the artist i'm using at the minute is tied up so i may well i may well
reach out to you and throw your throw you a bit of work for the monkey zoo project because um
i want to try and get these uh uh kind of children's books illustrated uh the you know
using the monkey zoo characters but kind of um reanimating them slightly so that they are
you know they they match the storyline of the uh of the of the books themselves so
they're kind of like the style of the mr man books um but yeah i'll i'll reach out in the
background and making maybe we can do a little bit of a bit of paid work for me that'd be great
that'd be pretty cool because i can see i can see the the kind of what your style of art is kind of the style that that i i kind of work with as well so
yeah brilliant there we go collaborations collaborations coming all over the place
yeah definitely i'll be i'll be definitely waiting for that. I haven't had paid works on this space yet,
but I'm open to paid works.
Anyone who wants to work on an NFT collection
from drawing to layering to generating,
I can do all.
I just painted the Monty Zoo I did.
Can you see it?
Let's have a look. Hang on. Hang on.
Yes. Yeah. I'll tell you what.
There's a part of the kind of part of the monkey or Edwards,
Edwards are coming up. Yeah. Part of the monkey zoo projectwards edwards are coming up um yeah part of the monkey zoo project
i'll send you a link um we we've created what we call the fusion zoo um which you know i've been
saying for like the last year it's just around the corner but it really is just around the corner
where um you can kind of dress up your monkey zoo characters with different traits and part of the project is to encourage kind of the
ecosystem and the artists within the ecosystem to design design traits that can kind of fit in with
the monkey zoo project and the way that that program works is that we we kind of work together with the artist, create kind of what we call the oddments,
and which can then be utilized inside the fusion zoo.
So these kind of new traits can be added to your monkey zoo characters.
And the way it works is we kind of sell them,
and then 50% of the sale volume goes to the creator the artists and then
50 of the the volume goes to goes to us so and then your artwork is kind of within the monkey
zoo ecosystem so um yeah you will i'll definitely kind of point you in the right direction of that
as well so uh uh let me have a look in the background here as well what's going on we may need to open
up the hand a bit to accommodate the water bottle right now it's a fist yeah makes sense
it's all happening in the background here as well so this is good this is good uh ice labs
is chatting with the jenner in the background and we're sorting stuff out. There we go. Let me see if I can invite Edward up.
Oh, hey, monkey.
I'm already up.
Oh, yeah.
My screen says you're down as a listener as well.
Yeah.
Yeah, same in the last space.
It's a bit weird, disconcerting,
because when you requested in the last space,
I brought you up, and then it didn't bring you up, so I you an invite i don't know how it works no you're up as a speaker
now it suddenly switched to speaker yeah it's my this is a new microphone is it clear yeah
is it it's clear that's good yeah uh i one thing i was dying to ask you is, did you hear the TLDR that tracked it yesterday after your space?
No, I know I didn't.
Oh, wow. You've got to listen to that.
I'll see if I can dig it out and play it in this if we get a chance.
But yeah, that was awesome.
I was going to say that if it's not very long, we can play it back.
can play it back because um um i think i think today really is a kind of uh in the background
kind of creating the information for the traits and making sure that we've we're we're uh all
singing from the same song sheet so to speak but yeah if you can find it we can listen back to that
because uh i'll be interested to see what mark and ava thought about it yeah i'll dig it out i'll look for it and say play it at the end of the space maybe it's three
yeah yeah yeah yeah we've got another couple of hours to go through things but um yeah it's
interesting to to kind of dive into the background of what ice ice labs has been doing it and he's the world that he sort of
frequents as well uh which is which is pretty cool it's it's cool to see that um uh what what
the one of the great things about kind of web 3 there's a lot of negatives about web 3 and and
crypto twitter and uh and that but one of the great things is that um that it's open to anybody no matter where
you are in the world no matter your kind of situation you're uh you can you can you know
if you've got a talent you can use it so that's really cool but um uh before we before we kind
of dive back into maybe some more of the project stuff um i guess you were kind of
bit more awake throughout the night edward um any any kind of more uh yesterday you kind of talked
about the uh foods and what have you they had a bit of a space what did we miss kind of overnight
or anything you've picked up i the last thing i heard yesterday was um was digital spaceport talking
and then i then i flaked yeah i really want to know what he said as well because uh i i didn't
hear any of that that was just after i went to bed i guess but uh i think the main thing i saw
today was rigidity has released a theme for the sage wallet through an NFT, and it's called RetroBench, and I've just finished buying it.
And so it took me all day to get around to buying it.
There's so much going on.
But yeah, there's 900, oh, it's running out.
Got like, oh no, 926 available out of 990.
So he sold about 64, I think.
Yeah, 64.
So I've just got that.
That's awesome.
So themes, I think, in the wallet are such an onboarding tool for me.
Influencers, celebrities, they could have their own theme.
Rigidity could get paid.
They could get paid.
Perfect.
Bring in their fans.
So, yeah, that was cool.
And then, yeah, just the...
Oh, I think Yak has released something partial offers I don't quite
know how it works but it sounds like you can try and buy a certain percentage of some things if
there's like a thousand space bucks available you could buy 30 of them through a partial offer. So I think that's pretty cool too. Yeah, I think partial offers means we can kind of,
it kind of acts like a central exchange.
So at the moment, like with TibetSwap,
you've got like the, I guess, more kind of,
like the uh i i guess more more kind of um so so i think i think and i don't quote me on this
because i haven't i all i saw was kind of um they probably the um the post that you you said i
haven't really looked into it too much but i think kind of partial offers means you can offer
off of some things so like for instance now if you was to supply liquidity
on TibetSwap you kind of have to supply both sides the XCH and the and the token side but I think I
think what that does it opens up the the way to just supply one side of the token I think uh I'm
not sure I'm not sure but but it'll be interesting to see but i think it's a big deal whatever it is but i need to spend uh half an hour looking through that looking through the chip and
uh and working out exactly what it is um but yeah and rigidity is kind of um from what i gather like
the nfts he's selling the rigidity nfts um do they kind of when you bring them into your wallet they they then create
the theme for your wallet is that kind of how that works i think oh that works i think so but
i've bought it it's showing in my chia wallet but i can't see it in the sage wallet just yet so
i'm presuming you can just activate it as the theme in that wallet but i can't see it in the sage wallet just yet so i'm presuming you can just activate it as the theme in that
wallet but i can't see it yet uh well maybe maybe it's because once it comes into the wallet uh
i think nas is coming up maybe he's got a bit more information on that that'd be cool uh maybe it's
maybe kind of automatically um uh gives you an option within within the wallet to pick that theme naz have you got
have you got any information for us jimari jimari everyone uh yeah i mean i literally i bought them
last night i transferred to my did and then when you go into the sage wallet you click on the on
the theme nft it gives you the option to apply theme and then that appears on your sage wallet ah very cool that's very cool that's oh i
see so um yeah so there's something happening in the back end there that it recognizes that you've
brought that nft yeah yeah so in your did you should give the option and you click on the nft
apply theme and then when you go to your settings and the theme section uh you'll see the regular
ones up top and then that'll be at the bottom ah that's that's pretty genius i think and a good way
for him to um to make some funds as well because um you know wallet wallet creation is a um it's
one of those things that it's a thankless task. You don't get paid very much.
I fell asleep during the space.
I have no clue if the...
Did the second one drop?
The Tangang one?
Oh, I don't know.
Only got the first one.
Let me have a look.
Do you know what they were called?
Last I heard him and Bullish and Gooey,
they were saying, yeah, make sure the Tangany1 gets out.
It wasn't supposed to be out, apparently.
But I think Rigidity was trying to push it last night.
I've no clue if it happened or not.
I literally just woke up and just been in the bathroom.
I've never had a coffee yet.
Switching laptop on and see what's going on.
Let me see if I can.
I can't find them maybe there maybe they're in the top top
Trying to find them they must be in the top top collections they've been selling
top collections they've been selling
let's have a look
ah retro bench theme there we go let's have a look
oh there so there's only one out at the minute there's only one out at the
minute and that's the retro bench theme. Oh, nice. Sweet. Then I haven't missed it.
No, no, no.
No, I think there's...
I see it, so it's like mint on demand as well.
Oh, that's cool. That's cool.
Yeah, so how's you, Naz,
anyway?
Same old, same old.
Coffee time.
Just enjoying it.
Enjoying the, obviously,
the marathon spaces and the different
people coming up it's been fun obviously ice labs congrats to you as well uh did you drop
the alpha yet yeah i dropped the alpha here you're always the one to you're always the one to
to get the alpha first like every artwork I have to send it to Nasroth. Over, you know.
You've done well to, like, jump into that.
The Tangang group.
They're definitely a good bunch.
A good bunch.
And, yeah.
I mean, I still have started off over in Pulse Chain, believe it or not.
Yeah.
Yeah, he was just telling us about that sort of making
things for the Freeman Fridays.
That's really neat.
Oh have we crashed the space?
No I can hear you. Oh no good good good.
Now that's cool.
Oh I think Naz is out yeah naz is working he's rugged he's rugged
yeah so so kind of the uh i guess um whoever was listening to the spaces last night um digital
spaceport was um was was interesting because he's uh for those that don't know
uh dsp digital spaceport he was kind of a big proponent of kind of cheer in the early days but
more more towards the kind of farming uh and kind of that side of things and um uh he was kind of
he's been looking into the um uh the kind of the new the new sort of proof of space type of things
which is which bram and uh dr nick have been working on and um and he was singing his praises
saying it's really good so uh i listened to that because he's uh you know he maybe not be
not huge within the cheer community uh anymore um but he certainly follows along and if you
follow what he's doing he's you know he's got his own kind of um data center pretty much in his
garage uh which he which he uses to um for youtube videos and he makes lots of great content for
those that are interested in hardware and stuff like that a bit a bit like me i'm a bit of a nerd when it comes to that type of stuff but uh but yeah i'm back i'm back i've got a rug hey well there you go too much
coffee yeah dsp's got a habit of setting things in fire as well and i got each other's yeah yeah
he's going home lately i remember those videos when the whole system started fire yeah
I remember those videos when the whole system started fine.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's an interesting guy.
He's an interesting guy.
I mean, he's not shy about kind of saying when things don't look right,
which is good as well, you know,
because of all the great things that Chia does,
or should we say Chia Inc. does, you know, they're not perfect at all you know they do need to be pulled up
sometimes and uh uh you know he he definitely is one to to let people know his mind which is
which is good a bit like should we say a bit like edward
i've been known to say a few things here and there
yeah you know you've got to have these people within the community as well haven't you otherwise I've been known to say a few things here and there.
Yeah.
You know, you've got to have these people within the community as well, haven't you?
Otherwise, we all kind of live under a blanket of a blinkered view of things.
So, yeah.
But, yeah.
Where are we?
Where are we? We're at 10.
Oh, we've still got about an hour and a half left, so
yeah, any other
interesting points you managed to pick up
over the night, Rob, between you, like, Naz
and Edward?
I'm curious what Naz heard.
I miss most of the night, I guess, the US
time.
To be honest with you, last night was probably the earliest
I went to bed.
I miss Dejan Waple and Cookies were delivering a masterclass of promotion.
It said Dejan didn't have internet until an hour before or whatever,
and he set it up and he just came on stage.
I definitely missed that.
I heard DSP, and then I think it was literally they were talking with Rigidity.
I think it was when Art started his space with Rigidity.
I fell asleep on that. The last thing I heard was them talking about rigidity. I think it was when Art started his space with the rigidity. I fell asleep on that.
The last thing I heard was them talking about the themes.
Cool.
Cool.
I didn't miss too much then.
We have drastically dropped down the lurky leaderboard,
which is a disaster.
I think that's because essentially with they um with the spaces they they
kind of just carried on the same space and i think after so many hours then it doesn't count so
they've probably done like 16 hours or something um which was kind of wasted a little bit but
yeah i saw some folks tagging them on the earlier spaces on drax and the bot would just reply yeah
we will lurk in the space after it's finished.
Yeah, which is, you know,
one of the things I said to Drax yesterday
was we should be flipping these spaces
like every few hours, you know,
continuing the conversation of that,
but like the algorithm will pick it up
and keep us kind of in the eyes of the world,
so to speak.
But anyway. I did get a lurky nft though from mojuice evit oh cool yeah did you use a call
apparently unlucky yeah he was doing a lot of promotion wasn't he to like uh if you use his um
it brought out if you use his um his his uh what what do they call him his referral code
referral that was it yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah points make prizes that's what i say i think
there's uh i think potentially with lurky um you know all the good things they're doing but but
there is this kind of opportunity to um to collect the points you know collect those points and um uh you know
you never know points make prizes as they say i was just about a quote bruce you gotta beat me to
it i think i think you have to be uh you have to be kind of uk orientated to get that reference
is monkey zoo the bruce foresight of cheer
good game good game to get that reference. Is Monkey Zoo the Bruce Forsyth of Cheetah?
Good game.
Good game.
Yeah.
The 80s babies are coming out.
The 80s.
Showing my age and my location in one foul swoop.
Yeah.
So, yeah, Naz, I don't know if you've been following kind of what we were doing yesterday
um i think edward's got the kind of mark and ava uh it's like tldr of what we were doing yesterday
but we're we've been working on well we're starting a project completely from scratch
to the the name of the game is to go from complete scratch to to finished article where
where we can auction them off at the end of the week so um but so far so good so far so good we've kind of narrowed it
down to the traits and things like that and and i think the artwork kind of speaking for itself
right now which is which is good uh i think we need to narrow down kind of the percentage of sales and where they go as well uh and and also
we want to we want to narrow down you know edward suggested that we we kind of throw a pot out to the
developers within the community but but who who are they and where do we draw the line
uh with kind of the people that receive some funds um you know, and so Ice Labs and DeGener,
Ice Labs is going to be doing most of the work when it comes to the artwork.
So I personally think he deserves a good percentage of the kind of sales volume.
So we've got Ice Labs at the top.
Let's try and go through that.
I mean, we've got a different...
Is that the first pin tweet? Is that what i'm looking at where he said making progress
uh let's have a look yes so kind of um so yesterday we went through it and we we kind of
went from zero idea to what we're going to do sort of looking at the two two two marathon
you know is it something we can do every year?
Is it, you know, and the idea came up that we should maybe have like a marathon runner and what was that marathon runner going to look like?
How do we look at rarity?
What traits are they going to have?
So that's kind of the first pinned tweet at the top there is Ice Labs.
Well, I say his initial work work but it's pretty damn good
it's pretty damn good um monkey bot initially yeah it's very cool isn't it it's very cool
um so yeah and then we've we've narrowed it down so we've got like different trait types and then
we've got rarity amongst those and we've kind of said that the trait types are going to be
representative of people that are like participating in the spaces type thing.
And so the artworks between kind of in the background is happening.
To create, you know, go from zero idea to creating the artwork to the metadata, to uploading it to Rweave, to put it on MintGarden to auction within a sort of five, six day period is a tall ask.
But we did OK yesterday. We made a good bit of progress.
um so yeah but the the the idea now is we kind of we we think we're going to create it under a new
did um maybe call it a space runners did so that it's uh it's something we can pick up each year
and maybe next year there's a different kind of theme um this collection would be called probably the 2025 space runners something like that um and what we what we touched
on towards the end of yesterday's space was kind of you know with these things how do we
when you're doing it as a collaborative you know when it comes to like ip rights and um you know
who looks after the wallet who who does that, who does this, you know,
you're kind of working on a level of trust as well. So we want to, we sort of need to discuss
that as well. So my thinking is that we have kind of a couple of issues we've got we've got the issue of where where does the revenue from
from the auctions go and we want to do it so that ice labs gets his cut and maybe some of it goes
towards next year's two to two hour space or whatever that might be and some goes out to the
developers within the community to kind of you know keep them keep them entertained and then what do you do with the
royalties as well so you know what percentage of royalties do we set and do we do we set up maybe a
sort of cheer cloud wallet vault that um i'm not sure if multi-seek's quite available for it yet
but maybe we set one of those up where the royalties go to that. And that could be a pot for, you know, to go towards next year's marathon space where, you know, if we if we can get some funds in there, we can then do more elaborate things next year.
So, you know, that's kind of that's kind of some of the stuff we need to we need to go over, I suppose.
I think Mark and Ava had a take on it.
I guess Drek was listing in, I guess, when he used Mark and Ava,
so they kind of summarized it as, I think, 50% for the artist,
50% to developers, like, funded through this,
maybe give it out on the last day.
Then the royalties, I don't know if
this was something you said or Mark and Ava added it,
but they said put the royalties in a multi-sig
and use that for next year.
That was, I think, what it said.
Yeah, I think that's
what we thought yesterday.
I think what we need to do
because DeGeneres kind of kicking in there
and also, edward you're
doing a little bit as well you know maybe there's a kickback um that needs to go needs to go to you
two as well for for putting the time and time and effort in um so but yeah i like the idea
the royalties are set up to maybe a cloud wallet address that has um a multi-sig on it i don't know if that
multi-sig feature is is currently available just yet but speaking of rigidity i know that you'll
be able to add that in at some point so i believe gui's got one set up uh i'm on the evm side on
the multi-sig button not on the chia side so I have no clue. Guy's your best man for that.
Yeah, we'll definitely have to figure that out.
But I think at this stage, you know, I will volunteer myself as kind of the trusted party
to, I guess, control the funds for now.
And then when we get to a stage where you know the initial sales
isn't a problem because it's you know i'm not going to run off with the money you know so
so we can kind of set that up and i can do the minting from a fresh wallet that everyone can
monitor um and and then once the sale initial sales are done we can distribute the funds from
there that's fine and then that wallet sort of becomes redundant then because um there's no royalties set to it or anything like that
um and then if i set up the kind of um like cheer cloud wallet with the intention that of a multi
sync where i don't know like you know the i guess the main players amongst the the marathon space
creators you know whether it's drac edward i don't know
whoever needs to be on site on that wallet can then take over that and control that um as the
technology allows us to so but if if gui's got one working i'll be interested to see if there's
that there's definitely one on the tier side because that'd be uh that might be something we can set up from scratch. So, yeah.
So are we comfortable with like kind of 50% of the artists and 50% to the devs?
And then maybe splitting that percentage of the artists across to, say, I don't know, 40% to Ice Labs
and then 5% to Edward, 5% to DeGener as a kind of,
because they are doing some.
I mean, I appreciate that.
For me personally, I'm happy to do it without being paid,
but I don't want to speak to DeGener.
But I mean, if we can do it like that,
I could give 5% to a developer as well.
So perhaps it's another way of funding someone.
But yeah, I'm good.
I'm enjoying it.
But yeah, thanks for thinking.
Okay.
Well, maybe then we...
Let's have a look.
I think there's some messages going on in the background.
DeGener's happy with whatever we decide well maybe then maybe um maybe we go 40 to ice labs
and 10 to jenna because she's kind of taking on a couple of the traits uh i don't know ice labs what
i've put you in an awkward position but um you are doing most of the work or maybe 45
ice labs five percent to jenna either way somebody's getting a little taster or something
aren't they let's let me have a look i mean that sounds fair to me so that uh ice labs
gets a 45 of the total revenue from sales to jenna gets a nice little five percent little bonus there uh and the royalties
go to the royalties go to the multi-sig and the 50 goes to developers now
who who are we going to target
oh to jenna's to jenna's saying give it it all to ice lab or we can work on that in the background
we can work on that in the background uh that would be that would be very kind of you to do that
um so within the within the cheer kind of um yeah i hear you to jenna that'd be very kind of you to
do that i i think i think that would be the to do that. I think that would be the good thing as well.
I think that would be the good thing.
Developers within the community then,
who are we going to give this 50% to?
So I thought about this a little bit,
and anyone in the audience come up to. This is like, it's not just us that decides it.
You know, everyone's welcome.
But I feel that doing an auction on the last day, like maybe 24 hours, all the auctions for 24 hours maybe, or it ends on the last day.
If there's a way of letting the community decide who should get it somehow, so it's not just us to decide.
I mean, I feel like that would be pretty powerful.
But, yeah, I mean, how would you even choose?
Like, what should be built next?
Things like that, I don't even really know.
But, yeah, it would be exciting.
Definitely would.
Definitely would.
I mean, if you was to list kind of the main builders,
or should we say the big brain cheer list builders in the in the kind
of background you'd probably put rigidity in there rigidity would be would be amongst the
those uh those groups i would say michael taylor obviously
ah space scan good point degena yes yes so uh the my i'll tell you what space can are
the unsung heroes of this complete chia ecosystem they really are they often they
always get overlooked but they are key to probably how most of it all works. Michael Taylor, SpaceScan.
What other developers are out there doing things that aren't really... You've got all the dev bears,
basically all the devs in the community
that Tom's previously given funding to.
Yes, very true as well.
Let's have a look at the dev bears,
see if that can give us some inspiration.
I mean, we don't want to put everyone on there that we know.
Acevale, Michael, Mengarden.
Acevale, yeah.
Acevale.
It's kind of what we want to try and do, I suppose,
is give it to the ones that aren't really um being funded too much you know there's like there's no
you know i don't want to be in amongst there because i'm doing my stuff but i'm actually
also earning some funds that kind of funds things for me so you know but whereas like
rigidity is kind of doing it i know he's getting paid by cni but a lot of the stuff he does is um is kind of um to help to help
us out really without without too much in return so uh rigidity michael taylor space scan ace veil
is there anybody else like in that that fits in that category um even on the tangan side of things
you know who does who does a lot of stuff for the Tangang that doesn't get recognized too much?
Chiba.
Chiba Wizard is always one to maybe look at, yeah.
He does lots and lots of stuff, kind of discords.
Tibetswap, Dijana's suggestion, yeah.
So that's, oh, yeah, so that's, uh yak of course of course yeah you know if you if you
look at there you got one two one two three there's six people there rigidity michael taylor
space scan acevale chiba yak uh you know even if that's just the six then you know and it depends
i mean you know auctions you
just never know how they're going to go you could end up making 100 xeh you could end up making 10
xeh you don't know there's only there's only going to be 222 pieces so um you know hopefully
they'd go for around i don't know 0.5 to 1 XCH each as a bit of a memento
for the space
and everyone gets a nice
little payday from it
but we'll see, but that's kind of
a good starting point that is
I think you're right with Chiba as well
he's another unsung hero
Are you auctioning all 222?
or just a portion?
All of them is the plan
all of them we haven't't quite again it's something
we need to discuss because creating these things takes it takes a bit of time um and um then i
guess i guess it's like if you've got 222 pieces all kind of going up for an auction, how long is that going to take?
And how long do you do each auction for to kind of make sure that they're going to be they're going to be bought as well?
And and when it comes to rarities, you know, are some auctions going to be ignored and some going to be bidded high up on because they're more rare with inside the collection?
It's these are all the things you have to kind of think of when you're when you're creating these things so um which you know the idea is
that the last day is when all the auctions go live and um you know i don't know i mean how would you
how would you kind of tackle that because if we do it via mint garden then then mint garden and acevale gets uh gets a little percentage as well of the sales so um let's have a look so auctions are there any auctions up right
now oh yeah there's a um yeah i mean do you do you stick if you put all 222 on there, people wouldn't be able to see them easily on the pile.
Or maybe you just pick the top 50 rarest ones to go up for auction and the rest just go up on Dexi just for sale for whatever price point we think.
Maybe that's an easier way of doing things.
Any thoughts on what would you guys
do if ace fell like is he is he able to do it because i don't know if it's like if he can
definitely do it i i guess he's quite busy but if he can get paid off what 222. I mean, he's incentivized for it to sell as much as possible because he gets a percentage.
So I feel like all of them on auction at the same time.
I mean, could you put like 20, 50 thumbnails on each page so it's like four pages?
I don't know.
I think it would be exciting to see which ones get the highest bids if there's like
a live bidding war or something.
Yeah, yeah yeah yeah so maybe maybe then the solution is to because if i think if you look at mint garden and where the auctions sit they're quite you know you probably get one two three maybe five on a row
um and to put put kind of 222 on the front page would just completely well it probably
trashed the website for starters but um you've got a couple of options you either like do them
on quick fire auctions where say they go up for 10 minutes and if they don't sell we then put them up for sale uh where where you kind of have like this rapid
fire rapid fire kind of 10 minute auctions they start they finish they start they finish they
start and kind of um overlap them so they're all 222 so you maybe you've got 10 10 live at any one
time uh on the front page that kind of kind of i guess i guess loop through or the other option would be
to say you know we mint the collection the top 50 go up for auction um you know similar sort of
thing but over maybe over an hour each something like that uh and the rest just get part for sale i don't know i don't know something we
need to kind of figure out i mean i kind of kind of like the idea of the rapid the rapid auctions
that gives the whole globe a chance to to jump in and and and and do them and then if they don't sell
we we just then you know kind of kind of put them up for ourselves.
I'm thinking, why not do 2 minutes, 22 second auctions?
You could do 2 minutes, 22 auctions.
But I think there's, isn't there something on Mintgarden where if you bid within...
Yeah, if somebody bids it, then it increases the time, won't you?
Yeah, yeah.
So your two-minute 22 could last 10 minutes.
Yeah.
But then maybe we can ask Acefail just to put a definitive stop time on it.
Two minutes 22, and that's it.
Two minutes 22, and then if they don't sell,
they rotate to the back of the queue.
I wonder if we could do that.
I don't think we can do this in Chia yet, can we?
Like the reverse Dutch auction style where the price goes down as time goes on.
Whoever bids get set at that price point.
And we don't have the auction yet, do we?
adoption yet do we but that probably no i don't think so i think um no no not that i've seen not
Would that probably be clear?
No, I don't think so.
in a pure sort kind of cheer list way anyway there might be there might be something out there that's
kind of um you know jangled in the background that makes it happen i'm not sure i'd love to
ask acefell i wonder if i can tag him in here and see if he'll come and say hello to us let me
let me ping him on discord so you feel uh see if he'll come and say hello to us let me let me ping him on discord see if he'll uh see if he'll pop into the space
he might not be busy let's see if i've got any powers
where is he where is he there he is ace foul
he's very likely to be busy i know he's been working on like um some of the permuto stuff so uh hey andreas
any chance you have
five minutes to spare
to jump in a space
talk about
auction options there we go let me pin that out to him now.
Where's the space link? Let me at least put that in there.
Where's that profile?
Monkey, do you want me to play the Drak clip?
I don't know how long it is, and we've got 20 minutes left.
Well, we've got more than that.
We've got an hour and 20 minutes.
Ah, no rush then.
I was getting confused.
Yeah, we've got plenty of time.
But you could play it because I'd be interested
if he kind of discuss the feedback as well.
Let me ping Aceval now
because he might respond straight away
or he might not see it
here we go let me ping him now just to see he might he might spot it and and come and be able
to talk to us but uh um yeah i mean i'm happy for you to play it now and then after after that we can
then kind of dig into um uh going back into hopefully Ace Vale will pop in
and talk about auctions with us.
Yeah, if you've got it
queued up,
yeah, set it going.
Oh, he's switching.
Yeah, I'm going to jump down.
I'll be listening for the next 10-15 minutes.
I've got a phone call and I'll be back on after that.
Yeah, nice one.
Cool. Nice one, Naz. I'll catch up with the next 10, 15 minutes. I've got a phone call and I'll be back after that. Yeah. Should be back 11 before you end.
Cool.
Nice one, Naz. I'll catch up in a bit then.
I'm also going to go.
I just got a call.
I have a package ready.
Yes.
I'm just going to get it.
Yeah.
And I'll be back in 13 minutes.
Cool.
All right, Naz.
We'll catch you in a bit.
Don't all leave at once.
Yeah. Yeah. I'll have to start singing
seems like a good opportunity
for Edward to play a
recap of the Mark and Ava
from yesterday
I'll hit it now
if there's a problem with the sound quality
just let you know I'll turn my amp up
here we go so this was 19 minutes
into the uh
tldr yesterday this is uh drek with mark and ava
was ranting and cutting i didn't get to hear a whole lot of it uh or any of it
while sleeping um anyway i got american
let me just get my glasses cleaned off here so it's going
Brad, if you want to take this away too, it's
I hope so
Yeah, I want to thank everyone for tuning in to
Sorry, the dogs just came and saw me on the team this morning.
They went on to pay down to the covers when I came out.
Yeah, I want to thank everybody for tuning in to another episode of Mark and Avis TLDR,
where they do the reading so you don't have to.
Appreciate you all tuning in to the 222 hour spaces.
That's right.
222 motherfucking hours.
We're doing this for nine full days straight.
We're on day two.
We're about to hit the 48 hour market.
We're at 46 hours right now.
Thank you all for participating.
You're not just participating, but making sure that this marathon continues.
So whether you're speaking or whether you're listening, you guys are equally and mightily
as important for this.
This is about community come together.
This is about an idea.
We have the Athea Master in the house, or a goddess, or Andrew Lucy in the audience.
I want to give a big shout out to him.
We have done spaces for years and years and years ago.
That was the whole point of this, is Thursday nights was a reflection of the 168 hour space,
of being able to have at least one day a week where people could come in and talk to Chia-friendly
people, Chia-friendly devs, shoot the shit, ask questions.
And it's transferred into daily activities now with us in draft.
I'm looking forward to being able to have our Thursday nights again soon.
Edward and I both have had a very busy last couple months of our lives.
But, you know, it was nice to be here.
We did it for a couple years straight every Thursday, you know, sacrificing our time.
And it's been nice to be able to, again, have some us time.
But I'm looking forward to being able to have those Thursdays again soon.
But I want to thank everybody for tuning in to also Mark and Abrams.
So we're coming up on almost one full year of 365 days of spaces.
This was perfect time to kick off the 222-hour marathon.
And it inspired you for over a full week, right?
So yeah, I want to thank everybody for tuning in, and happy Space Marathon.
Draft, you got the Mark and Ava over here?
They're ready to go, brother.
All right, well, without further ado, Mark and Ava, let's turn it over to you.
Welcome to the Deep Dive.
We are jumping right into the middle of it today, the 222 hours base marathon.
Still going strong.
It absolutely is. And it's not just, you know, people talking. It feels like a live development hub.
The energy is pretty incredible.
What we want to do today is kind of pull out the blueprint for maybe the biggest community thing coming out of it so far.
Yeah, the live NFT collection they're building.
Ambitious.
And this whole marathon.
It's actually getting noticed, right?
We saw proof.
We did, yeah.
The Chia blockchain discussion actually had the front page of Lurkey, which if you don't
know, is kind of like the Reddit for the Chia community.
That's huge visibility.
Thousands of people have seen that.
Definitely.
And it shows the engagement is real. And I love that story just before we started recording about the booth rant, that passionate
talk about market criticism.
Apparently someone was playing the audio of that rant live to Stavis, a good developer
via.
No way!
See that's amazing.
That's like a direct feedback loop from the virtual space into the real world.
Exactly.
It shows people really listening and engaging with this stuff. It's not your background.
For sure. And all that energy, that community buzz, it's all funneling straight into this NFT project.
Okay, so let's unpack that project. The plan. It sounds intense. Like eight or nine days to build a whole NFT collection.
From scratch.
It's a crazy timeline, honestly. Most professional collections take months, right?
Concept design, layers, audits, and they're aiming to have this ready for minting an option
for the very last day of America.
Wow.
Okay, so how are they even approaching that speed?
Must be everything.
It has to be.
They've made some strategic calls, simplifying things, focusing on collaboration, speed over
complexity.
Gotcha.
So project details, names locked in, space runners.
Yep.
And 222 pieces.
Nice little nod to the marathon line.
Okay.
A robotic marathon runner, Ice Labs is doing the foundational art for that.
Okay.
But 222 unique pieces in a week.
How? That's the key question.
Efficiency.
They decide pretty quickly they have to use AI tools.
Yeah, they decide.
Most of them are very.
Exactly.
Alongside the hand drawn based assets.
And the robot pose itself has to be super simple.
Easy to layer different traits onto quickly.
Makes sense.
And collaboration is key here. Oh yeah.
Edwards handling backgrounds is making only 10, 20 options. Which the layer comes at 10 for rarity.
Right. And Big Jab, she volunteered to help ice labs specifically with designing and actually
implementing all those traits. What kind of traits were you talking about? They picked five main categories.
Headbands, trainers, water bottles, metals, and vests.
I'm just pausing it, Monkeyzoo, because Acevel came in. I know he may only have five minutes,
so do you want to check if Acevel's okay to stay around, or I can carry on playing that?
Shout out Acevel. shout out ace bell hey guys monkey sue said uh you need five minutes or so to to talk about
auctions i literally only got five minutes so uh what's up that's perfect you see if monkeys
i was muted uh yeah perfect quick question about auctions on mint garden
um the when they finish they kind of um do like a like an extra is it an extra five minutes
it adds five minutes uh until there is no more bid or i think there's a an upper limit of an hour or so so it doesn't go like forever okay okay and can
that can that be turned off yes cool um and then the other thing we've we've got so so we've been
we've been working on this uh kind of kind of idea where we create a project from start to finish and
we want to use mint garden to auction them off at the end of the week and the idea is that there's going to be
222 pieces and we want to try and do them over a 24-hour period so kind of um we were thinking that
we we kind of do them rapidly through mint garden like every every 10 minutes or something they
they come up and if they don't sell they kind of maybe move to the back of the queue is that something that that can be done so
generally speaking you have to add each auction manually I'm able to somewhat
automate that but there is no automation between like like you said
going back to the end of the queue that's also something that has to happen
manually gotcha gotcha okay um and then if we if because there's like 222 of them um you know
we don't want to take over the home page as such uh like so is is there, you know, how many,
how many auctions can it kind of handle, I guess, from the front
page side of things at once?
So the front page always only shows the four, the four auctions
that end, like sorted by by their ending date. So that that
happens naturally, so you don't get overwhelmed.
Still, I wonder if there has to be some grouping or hiding.
I'm not 100% sure.
But if it's only for this week, I don't really care.
So I'm afraid to take it over.
Yeah, yeah.
OK, OK.
I think that's probably all we need to know so what
happens though the auctions but aren't speaking on the front page I guess
they're just on the collection page and you can speak yes they are on the
collection page they are also there is a button to see all the auctions and you
would see them there gotcha yeah okay. And that's kind of a manual process.
We can set that up ourselves.
The auctions you mean?
Yes.
Yeah. So there is a page where you can set up auctions,
which is only accessible.
Normally it's only accessible for premium,
but I can just add you to an exception list and then you'd just be able to schedule auctions yourself without requiring premium.
There is the caveat that right now there's a restriction of how many auctions you can run
at once.
And that is
something I would
need to lift.
Because what we plan to do is
kind of set up a brand new DID
do it from there.
And then kind of work out over
a 24-hour period,
like setting them off and stopping them, you know,
so it kind of runs either one after another or like a few at a time.
So that can kind of be done.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's probably something that if you have them all minted
and you say I want
to have these go off in this interval or whatever it's probably easier if you
just send me a list and I'll drop them in database directly so you don't have
to click through the the form 220 times yeah well the plan is to have them kind of minted by uh well the the
day they're going to go kind of up for auction will be kind of sun sunday slash monday so so
saturday will by saturday that we need to have them all created and minted and ready to go so
i'll i'll keep in touch on the back end. Sounds good. Cool. Yeah.
All right.
I got a drop, but you recovered everything.
No, that's cool.
That's cool.
Appreciate your time.
Okay, cool.
Cool.
All right.
Catch you later.
See you later.
Cheers.
Bye.
There we go.
What a legend.
Yeah, so there we go. That kind of answers a few questions for us when it comes to the auction side of things later on in the week we can if we have them all minted kind of by
saturday uh we'll have all the nft ids and i can send over a spreadsheet to to ace val and he can
um he can sort them uh and we'll we'll spread them out and let
him know it's kind of the timescales find that so very cool cool that answers
that question hey Edward yeah that's great and the fact that he's willing to
help put them up as well at short notice and also the fact that he came up and
chatted was was brilliant as well because it shows
you that like the live spaces are like the new meeting place in a sense exactly yeah yeah that's
kind of like that like a little zoom call that was yeah and if if even if you'd gone back in text
message right it could have taken a couple of hours because there was a lot of information there
like even the laying out and the so yeah that was really good so yeah brilliant awesome
cool all right well uh let's carry on with the market ava stuff and then um maybe afterwards
we'll kind of uh kind of work out how we how we spread out the auctions and whether you know how
that how that's going to work whether you put like some of the rarer ones mix them all in amongst them
i don't know i don't know but yeah let's let's carry on with the
marketing stuff and then we'll we'll pick it up after that Oh, that classic percentage, you know, like 70%, 20%, 80%, 2%, something like that.
The cool part, the really community-focused part is when those treats actually better.
Totally.
They're not just random.
They're specific, like, little inside jokes for people following the background.
Give us some examples.
Okay, so, like, water bottles might reference ERAs.
Maybe it's orange microphone.
Or virginity, another form of perhaps a page wallet icon.
Or vests could have Yax Matrix theme or something inspired by art, art style.
Metals might reference to money or bullish.
It connects directly back to the people involved.
That definitely treats a bond from listeners and people that know all that.
It does.
But honestly, I think the really significant part isn't just the art, it's the money side.
The financial plan is like.
Okay, yeah, let's dig into that because it sounded different.
It's super unconventional for NFTs.
So the Oxymet on New Garden, give everyone a 24 hour window, make it fair globally.
Standard enough so far.
Right.
But the split of the initial sales cash, that's like, it's 50-50.
50-50, between them.
50% goes to Ice Labs, the others, which makes sense.
But the other 50%, it goes directly to key ecosystem developers.
People like Yak, Rigidity, Michael Taylor.
Wait, directly to other developers, not just project.
Exactly.
To fund their ongoing work on the CHIA team goes.
That is, wow, usually like 90% plus goes to the artists or the main project team. Why do this?
Because the goal here isn't just selling art, it's explicitly a community fundraiser. It's an incentive mechanism.
Or rewarding the builders.
Directly rewarding them, valuating their contributions and funding their future work.
It basically turns this NFP drop into like a targeted ecosystem grant funded by the community itself.
That's actually pretty brilliant. And what about the long term royalties?
They thought about that too.
Secondary sales royalties aren't going to be artists or devs.
They're going into a new multi-sig wallet, calling it the 222-hour pot.
And its whole purpose is to provide the seed money for next year's marathon.
Yeah, they're already planning for next year.
Just real confidence, right?
Yeah.
Planning for continuity.
They're even creating a specific, desensitialized identifier.
Oh, space runners.
222-hour runners.
Exactly. They deliberately avoided tying the name to this year's duration.
So they can do an annual space runners collection without being locked into 222 hours if the
marathon length changes.
Building a brand, not just a one-off, smart.
Very smart.
Long-term care.
So all this building, this creative energy, it's happening while there are some really
intense debates going on in the wider GF community about the market right now.
Oh absolutely. The building is happening but it's against this backdrop of serious strategic
discussion. Market defense, liquidity, it's all intertwined.
A big point of friction seems to be that lack of DX liquidity.
We are dusty, a big early farmer is basically not providing liquidity, helping at current
prices.
Right.
And his reasoning is pretty straightforward if you're large gold.
Which is?
Imponent loss is a huge risk.
If you provide liquidity with a large bag of expiation, the price of tanks, green just
swings wildly.
You can lose a significant chunk of your stack compared to just whole thing.
You're way over the risk expansion. Just hold it.
That's one defensive posture.
Yeah.
Hold and wait.
But then you have the tagging community taking a different tack.
They're talking about losing concentrated liquidity tools like KEDEX, almost offensively.
Kind of, yeah.
They argue that in a market that's moving sideways, or even down slowly, concentrated
liquidity lets you earn more tokens.
How's that one?
You earn trading fees.
So the strategy becomes less about the dollar price day to day and more about accumulating
more SEH through those fees.
It provides community liquidity, sure, but it's also a way to grow your stack and defend
against manipulation, pragmatic accumulation.
Interesting. Two different defensive strategies based on your position.
Exactly. Meanwhile, we've got C&I, the main company.
They're playing a different game, exactly.
Totally. They're focused on the big swings, right?
Germuda, their financial tools, navigating the whole U.S. regulatory maze, like the 40 Act.
And crucially, they are not stepping in to provide easy exit liquidity, right?
Correct.
Which, you know, causes short-term pain for holders who want to sell easily.
Mass pain, as they say.
But CNI's logic is that holding back preserves their treasury for bigger,
future institutional plays.
That seems to be the long-term strategy.
They may call major adoption down the line.
But this, this focus from CNI creates gap and opportunity maybe.
Which do he apparently jumped on, he had some straw for it.
He did a really intense argument.
He basically said the community needs to organize itself, act like a, what do you call it, a decentralized and autonomous investor club.
Okay, what's the mechanism there? The core idea is pretty simple actually.
Eventually, big institutions think Coinbase or places using protocols like Aerodrome.
They're going to need to trade XDAs with their clients.
It's inevitable if she gets bigger.
Right, they'll need access.
So whose point is it?
If the community just waits for those institutions to build the bridges in the trading infrastructure,
the institutions will capture all the value.
The fee is the MED.
MED, maximum extractable value.
The profit you can make from order transactions.
Right.
So his proposal, the community needs to build
its own exchange, its own lemonade stand,
as you put it, right next to where
those future bridges will be.
Get there first.
Exactly.
Set up shop and capture that MED
after those trading fees that arise from the disagreeability
of prices when big players need to move in or out.
So the community gets paid, basically, instead of just the big exchanges.
Ensuring the community gets paid the same way the institutions were planning to get paid.
It's proactive value capture.
Really entrepreneurial thinking for community wealth. Wow, okay, so pulling this all together, this deep dive shows this incredible, almost frantic
level of activity.
You've got the super fast space runners and NFT build.
With that really innovative funding model.
Right, and then alongside it, these really sophisticated debates about defiant market
strategy, liquidity defense, capturing future institutional flow.
It's happening simultaneously, the building and the strategizing.
The energy feels really focused on actively constructing the future, not just reacting.
I think that's spot on.
And the fact that this level of coordination and frankly high level thinking is happening
during a 222 hour marathon, that says a lot about the core community strength.
You hear people say the speculators, the tourists, they've left already, they've lost already.
What's left is arguably stronger or more committed than ever.
Feels that way. Now as they push to finish space riders this week, there's one last thing they've discussed
that really strike me as a chore. Oh yeah, who was that?
Succession play. Ah, right what was that? Succession planning.
Ah, right, the hit by a bus.
Yeah, exactly.
They actually pumped back.
What happens if a key person, like Ice Labs,
or one of the core devs receiving funds,
suddenly isn't there, nor the mechanisms?
That's, yeah, that's critical.
It's not morbid, it's just good business continuity,
especially when you're building something
with shared ownership and future plans like that funding pot.
It's just they're thinking beyond just the code, beyond the art, they're thinking of
taking the people on the long-term vision.
Absolutely.
It's time to project that's trying to build something truly sustainable, not a splash
in the pan.
Yeah, thank you for that abrupt ending, guys.
I appreciate that anyway so that's the review of the goings on in the past few days
day to recap
yeah
there we go there's more he does a gene roast as well at one point, but perhaps I won't play that now.
But yeah, pretty cool stuff. That's all from you, Monkey Zoo. That's just one day in your life. It's awesome what you've done.
Yeah, I think I think, yeah, we I mean, we definitely had a great start to that kind of the idea yesterday as well.
So, yeah, no, I think I think it's i think it's great and i think
i think what makes it really good is that um you know you've got ice labs and degener and um and
yourself kind of involved at the very start because a lot of these things sometimes people get to get
to halfway through and then and then want to kind of put some input in which is great but it's like
of input in which is great but it's like um you know you you need people at the start here to
to make it work don't you so um that's great and and obviously we're we're in that difficult time
zone aren't we so we're in the time zone of uh um of the european times which um uh which is still
early morning sort of working hours for most of Europe and obviously most the US is fast asleep I'm just working on the spreadsheet in the
background here so that everyone knows what's going on
hey tracks awake tracks awake the other side of the world is is is staring from their slumber
there we go
copy that yeah so um hey drake hey drake so yeah um today just a kind of a a bit of a recap for today, we kind of went into a bit more depth of what was needed for the individual assets and broke that down into who's doing what.
Kind of made a spreadsheet on the back end there so that we could all work off the same the same sort of song sheet so to speak um the other thing we talked about we managed to get
eighth file in for five minutes just to come in and talk about kind of uh the solution that
the problem we have is we've obviously time scale is is is going to be tight regardless of what we
do um but we want to try and do it so the last 24 hours of the 222 you know uh hour marathon is uh
running auctions on mint garden so we kind of need to do a bit of maths there and we needed
ice fail to pop in and just uh just let us know what we can and can't do um which he luckily he had five minutes spare and um it looks like we can utilize their
the mint garden auctioned kind of um okay uh sort of front end i suppose um and then we just need to work out if we if we auction them all and do them on like a
rapid turnaround of 10 minute auctions and then if they don't sell we kind of put them up for a
certain floor price or or whether we um i guess maybe just pick say the top 50 rarest ones of the
collection and just auction them off so they've got a bit more time
for people to sort of bid on auctions um i guess that's something we need to to talk about as well
before um before um we kind of uh make any decisions on that they kind of talked about as
well like the um the way that we finished Locker Space yesterday, talking about IP and making sure that everyone's happy.
So we talked about the revenue share.
So the percentage of sales from this sort of kind of experimental collection on the run was, you know, the artist Ice Labs, who's kind of doing, you know, 90% of
the artwork will take a kind of a 45% cut of the revenue. To Jenna, we said 5%, but she has offered
just to let that 5% slide to Ice Labs as well. So that'd be great uh and then 50 going out sort of to the developers community
um we've got some we put some names down um to kind of who who should have like a little bit of
cutler pie uh we had rigidity michael taylor kind of space scan uh acevale but ace fail will probably do okay because he'll take 10 of the um uh auction sales
so maybe maybe that that's kind of his percentage there um chiva wizard who does a lot kind of in
the back back end that he's always kind of just does lots of great things for the discord world
and obviously yak and and maybe even drack there
i know he does a lot of stuff um you know with kind of crate and and all the other things he
does that the community kind of uses maybe we uh we kind of split that percentage six ways between
these people and 50 the sales volume gets um gets distributed to them and then i think we said that um kind of the royalties we haven't decided
on a royalty percentage but you know whether it's something like five percent just goes into
we create a kind of a new cheer cloud wallet with the intentions of um making it multi-sig
we i wasn't quite sure if multi-sig is um is up and running just yet but
that goes towards um you know next next year's marathon space whatever that may be whatever
whatever we come up with there there's like a a small pot of funds um and who knows in a year's
time she could be worth more hopefully more than what it is now and um we've got a pot of funds to play with to
um to you know to hopefully make it a make it a even bigger experience than what it is this time
so one of the uh i mean when we kind of look back at how the first sort of marathon space 168 hour space um sort of ran along um and kind of thinking
back to that you know you had you had kind of the the core few people that were doing it
but looking at the schedule this time that drax put together and he's you know he's put the time and effort in to make sure that there's um uh i guess uh a real
schedule and and people talking all the time and there's a bit of planning that's you know a good
bit of planning that's gone into it as a website that bullish has created and um you know there's
kind of kind of a program there you know it's a it's a You know, it's a kind of an evolution of what happened in the first place.
You know, the first one was kind of make it up as you go along, really.
And I know that there was kind of efforts to do more.
I think last year probably faulted and it didn't quite happen.
I think the year before that it happened
um but yeah this is this has been a really successful one i think um
i think we have to throw a bit of credit out not you know to drac obviously but i think you know to
art and to bullish uh and to all the kind of speakers that have set themselves up to make sure that make sure that it all goes goes smoothly and
um you know i can't listen to all of the all the spaces but it's been good to it's been good to
have edward kind of tailing on from kind of the us uh us and canada uh i guess time zones to fill
me in in some of the details that have been going on across the other side of the globe.
So, yeah, it's been it's been really good, really well organized.
Let me have a little look on my spreadsheet here.
So, yeah, we kind of created a spreadsheet as well in the background so that the artists can.
in the background so that the artists can see what's happening see what's going on and make
sure that we are all all singing from the same song sheet so we have kind of these x amount of
traits so we've got a medal vest the background the trainers the headband and the body type and then the we've got a rarity of
them kind of the host inspiration behind it and then a description of what we want that to be as
well so that's going to be shared in the background here to make sure that um Jenna and Ice Labs and, um, and Edward can all look at that and make alterations if need be,
but we are definitely coming together, uh, definitely making progress on this, and I think,
I think we've pretty much covered, like like how we're going to actually make it happen
the only the next big thing to to do and we'll probably hit this tomorrow is to start working on
the metadata and kind of the descriptions of traits and uh i guess finalized kind of the collection name and I guess the actual individual NFT names.
Do we name them kind of space runner one to two, two, two,
or do we give them individual names?
Do we name them after a space host?
And there's all these kinds of thoughts
that we have to go through to make sure that we're,
make sure that the metadata uh make sure that we're
the metadata like i said before is arguably the probably the most important thing to to uh to happen um alongside obviously the artwork is if you don't get the metadata right it won't
well a it won't work on midgarden and space can you won't you won't see it there'll
be errors everywhere um and also you need to make sure that um there is it it reads well as well um
you know there's um you can have the best artwork in the world but you need it to kind of
the metadata sets out and it structures it so that it does look good on
on mint guardian and the other kind of explorers as well so
there we go cup of coffee on the go as well um yeah so it's going to be interesting to to
to hit tomorrow to kind of then then start thinking about thinking about the wording um and
then also you know is there as this is kind of maybe a yearly thing i don't know if it's something
we want to do every year you know when you break it down do you have um do you have different
collections different different collection ids you know the uuid that you
you add to make sure that the collections um are separate are they is it something that you really want them to be completely separate new collections every year or is it something you
want to build on on top of the same collection um the downside of that obviously being that
um the downside of that obviously being that uh if you if you add more nfts into a collection you
kind of wreck the wreck the rarity side of things and and as that's one of our early decisions to
to kind of add rarity in there then it's uh probably something we really we probably don't
want to go anywhere near but there we go let me
just uh have a look at the messages in the background yeah so so it's a it's a tall order
and i know i can see in the background yesterday we set up kind of a little group chat with edward
and um and jenna and uh and ice labs and myself in there just there just to make sure we're all working together.
And if you look at the top there in the pinned tweet there,
you've got kind of the first, I guess, draft of what the character would look like.
And I think looking at it ice labs has done fantastic
um you know there's space there for the trainer trait to to be added um the vest trait could be
added quite easily the head that kind of headband trait um water bottle it was kind of discussed
which hand so i think um looking through the chat there it's kind of um the the forward
fronting hand to kind of drop it down slightly so that a water bottle wouldn't wouldn't interfere
with the um with the with the face or the vest trait um so that's something that is going to
change uh and then we talked about the medal as well like obviously the medal hangs around the character's neck but um again that could interfere
with um with the vest trait so you know maybe having that that that medal sort of flying behind
the person as though they're traveling at speed uh so that the the metal flies behind them again is a is a good solution to that
or you or you kind of you decide you have to maybe get rid of them so uh
yeah so in the background um ice labs is carrying on with his progress kind of uh
making any adjustments we've noticed this time uh one of the first things we did was
when he had his first kind of sketch drawing was to aim the um sort of aim the face slightly more
front facing uh rather than rather than kind of dead on looking towards the uh the finish line so to speak so uh he's he's made that change
you can kind of see the face which works well um and then it's kind of breaking down the traits a
bit more and um the jen is going to take on a couple of traits in the background there which
is which is fantastic.
It takes a little bit of pressure off of ice labs to get these things done and
Then hopefully we'll have the artwork finished. What day are we on today? We're on
Monday, let's have a look so Monday
let's have a look so monday
oh i flipped um yeah so monday if we can have the artwork finished by hopefully thursday along with
the metadata then friday will just be a case of um looking for any errors any any kind of visual or metadata errors uh maybe doing like
a obviously we need to upload them to to our weave or wherever we decide to put them um and
then we obviously need to um actually mint some mint some make sure they do a couple of test mints make sure that they actually
you know look the way we want them to look on the uh on the um on the explorers
uh something we haven't discussed actually is the license uh you know do we need a license
agreement with that it's probably nice to have one uh and also you know that kind of within that license we could then actually break
down you know where that ip belongs do we do we kind of donate that ip to the uh um to the kind
of marathon spaces world if the royalties are going there maybe that makes sense to do that not sure yeah so my my thinking's are tomorrow is where is
their metadata maybe license finalize IP finalize the kind of revenue funding funding split and and what was the other thing I thought
about oh yeah create a cloud wallet create cloud wallet are you are you uh are you back on stage edward yeah back again okay i didn't uh i didn't notice
yeah so uh yeah edward you kind of you're kind of taking control of um of the backgrounds um
and we maybe suggested that we could do so within the kind of rarity of traits we've decided there's
going to be four different versions of each trait um backgrounds are a funny one because you can
kind of get away with having more and the beauty of that is it it does give a different uh kind of
um i guess output on the way the rarity of the collection works as well
um the only the only thing i would say is that um with backgrounds you you can you can kind of
make them look really spectacular um certainly with ai if you're if you know if that's kind of the route we're going to go
and the the thing is you might have the the rarest background might not match up to the
rarest nft out of the whole collection does that make sense yeah i think so i guess
you could put the rarest background on the rarest nft or you could keep
the rarest background in a different nft to add a different rarity i suppose yeah that's your call
really yeah well i think i think because um because the tote the way the kind of rarity
is worked out it kind of works out the total amount of whatever's within that
collection and then um and then if they're combined you know if you you might have sort of uh i don't
know say three traits within one of these characters that all fall within the top 10 of the uh i guess
the rarity uh you know you might have a couple of the kind of ultra rare
traits sitting in with one that doesn't actually look that great but ends up being the the kind of
rarest one out of the whole collection because it contains some of the rarer traits so yeah
again that's probably something we need to discuss on wednesday is is how we put the collection together do we do we randomize it do we put it through a you know a sort of randomizing program
like like um um like i use for the monkey zoo stuff or you know hash lips hash lips kind of
rarity generator or do we hand create them you know as 222 of them maybe it's uh maybe it's something we make
sure that there's the rarities kind of split and look good as well i don't know it's uh but that
that takes that does take a lot of time to do that even with a small collection of 222 so
i don't know i don't know i, when you're looking at backgrounds, Edward,
do we think for kind of the size of the collection, 222,
do you think we should go the same route and have four, you know,
four, I guess, rarity-ranked backgrounds?
So like a rare, a super rare super rare ultra rare whatever we decided common i think we said common rare super rare ultra rare whatever you want to call them the four tiers
um or do you think there's there's scope to make maybe have multiple different backgrounds
maybe even 222 different backgrounds yeah it can do that as well. With rarity, which I think is not underrated,
but I think rarity is still one of the most underrated things in a collection. And I think
at least when I do it, my core rule of rarity is there has to be one true one of one, because
people just love rarity. So having two super rares as the top rarity,
I think isn't as good as having one super rare.
And then, yeah, lots of others.
Two rarity, three rarity.
But just having like a definitively rare one,
I think is cool.
And I'm sort of veering in the direction of the Michael,
the screenshot of the Michael Taylor space
from October the 11th last year.
Oh, I didn't put it in the chat yet.
I'll put that in there now.
It's a desktop
one, but I can change that
to be a shape of a square pretty easily
because it's just
let me just hit enter now.
It should be in there now.
I'm thinking that should be the desktop background
for the rarest one
because it's
a definitive
moment in Spaces history
and Chia history and
it's on your space as well so
it's like for me that
was the most powerful speech that has been
delivered yet in a Chia space
and there's been some good ones so
I kind of thought it fit the Spaces theme
Yeah
he did, that was good, wasn't it?
Blimey, that's almost a year ago.
Christ.
I'll tweet it out.
Almost a year ago.
Yeah.
October the 11th, 2024.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
Yeah, I mean, to kind of make that into a square
a square wouldn't be too much hassle
wouldn't be too much hassle.
and then it's kind of like
Yeah.
And then it's kind of like,
do you
do you go that theme
where you kind of
got that kind of
I guess
I guess
I mean what would you call that
it's almost like a poster
like a
like a kind of poster
to a gig or something, isn't it?
Yeah, it's like a single frame snapshot of information.
It sort of captures it, but it's not real, obviously.
I designed that.
That's not how the space looked, of course,
but it's like squeezy information.
And do you make them all like that or do you have one
that's kind of like that and then the others that are kind of um i guess ai prompted to do with
other various aspects of the the marathon spaces over the years maybe or uh and let ai kind of
go wild and then pick the better ones or um i don't know i don't know
and and do you do you stick to just the you know if you have that one single you know super rare
one that that's just a one-off um do you maybe then have another four on top of that or or just
another three different backgrounds on top of that? Or do you think maybe backgrounds,
we could have maybe 10 or 20 of them
that kind of just liven up all the different NFTs?
Yeah, I think maybe 10 to 20 or something,
so that there's a nice bit of variety.
And there's so many great frames and things in here,
even just the apps like Debetswap, Sage Wallet, Mint Garden,
even just a single frame of those would be a nice background so yeah I think more than three perhaps
10 to 20 I'm thinking. I'll tell you what would be good it would be good if you could create
a couple today I don't know if you've got time and put them in the chat behind the scenes here
so that we can um put the character onto one of those backgrounds to see what it looks like
to see if it works because obviously this the problem with that is you're you're going to cover
a lot of the wording with the with the character itself if that makes sense
with the character itself, if that makes sense.
It's like you maybe need to have a kind of copy of the character
to see how it works, because then you could design it around the character
rather than just so that you wouldn't miss some of the finer detail.
Yeah, I guess so.
Yeah, if you want to preserve all the text,
you'd have to reshape it.
I kind of imagined the character almost like running past it.
It's almost like the October the 11th frame
is almost like in the background,
sort of like the characters passing it in a parallel universe in a way.
But you could reshape it as well, for sure.
Yeah, I think we need to do that.
I think it would be good to have maybe 10 examples of backgrounds to play with
and then just see how it works with the character on top of it
to actually see if it works with the character on top of it to to to actually see if it if it makes sense and
it makes uh i think i think it would work i think it would like you say it's like they're
it's running through it's running through history would be kind of the uh yeah i like i like the
sound of that that sounds you know if you can if you can look back and find 10 kind of pivotal space moments uh even from like
the previous kind of monster marathon spaces uh yeah i think that would be a great trait
kind of to have in the background as well but but you don't want to kind of lose lose the message
from it with the with the character kind of i guess taking over some of the uh um sort of
more uh powerful wording that's amongst them yeah but i like the idea i like that idea of having the
kind of history the background and kind of the history of of of sort of important chia spaces across the time um blimey can you think back to 10 15 of them
yeah i was going to ask you the same thing what are your top spaces yeah you know what kaz
obviously in the room but i remember when kaz launched his collection in the first world record
space that was like boom it was just there there was just some nft minters who were so quick and
was that the peacocks that's right yeah yeah like imagine the marathon runner running past the
what the peacocks launched from back in the day yeah yeah yeah i'm sure there's been some with
bram inside of them uh i'm sure there's been some with some sort of important ones with Gene.
Blimey, yeah, that's going to take a bit of brain matter to kind of come up with them.
So if you wanted to go down that theme, yeah, you'd have to.
I mean, there's probably, you know, from those early spaces, the ones with Clyde kind of running them that kind
of deserves a background in in my mind as well but yeah it's crazy actually when you think about
as kind of the history of the spaces I mean you think I think even if you go back to before kind
of when we were doing them or certainly when you started doing them was um i think like dylan
dylan rose was was doing some wasn't he as well like uh leafy k as well leafy k yeah um and who
was it the one i always forget was it uh brand no not brandon i can't remember there's somebody that kind of has done a few as well um like over the time
um not grant no no i'm sure it starts with his name starts with b but i don't think his profile
does did i can't remember i can't remember but yeah there's probably there's probably a hand the probably the
easier route to go down would be to don't kind of do these um i guess momentous spaces uh backgrounds
and then maybe to commemorate you know some of the kind of spacelyde dylan um you know now we've got kind of the the more kind of modern ones would
be like orange gooey uh tea money does a does like a uh a daily a daily kind of cheer tangang
orientated space uh yeah it's crazy when you when you start digging into like traits and things like that where
where your mind goes just to think about these things you know you could probably come up with
10 i reckon momentous spaces slash uh kind of space hosts uh and make the backgrounds kind of fit around that as well yeah i mean those early
early days of spaces were pretty magical weren't they but they were they were kind of so people
learning so much as well you know you you kind of open up the space and you just didn't know what
you were gonna what information you were going to come out of you know often you get people like
grant come up and uh uh and kind of explain something in a in a way that that kind of you
know put things into perspective of how this how this blockchain operates and how it's different
to everything else we've been using i don't know what's your what's your kind of early memories
because a lot of the time you're obviously your space is kind of started at 3 a.m for me so i never really got to participate
or listen in on your spaces very much yeah yeah the the thursday uh weekly one yeah my first uh
memory was i think it was listening into the uh yeah i would say it was dylan leafy k i think
clive wallace was in there a lot and i was just a listener but i was such a fan of it and uh i just
thought this is this is it right like this is the this is the revolution the new media the blah blah
blah but this is like it's just fascinating and hearing people talk about and get to know each
other whilst talking about a specific blockchain from a person they kind of knew about bram cohen
it was just a weird thing and then so to be able to then step into it and actually be a part of it
it was like stepping into history in a live environment so yeah that first world record was uh because it's like people
getting to know each other as well isn't it it's like now we kind of know each other you still meet
new people but then it's you still trying to literally introduce yourself so it had that
extra freshness to it i guess the first one but yeah yeah definitely definitely yeah that that's that was that was definitely a pivotal
moment for me um listening to those those that first kind of 168 hour spaces because um uh you
do get a a kind of a vision of what these people are like don't you and uh and and and their
understanding of things as well and what you could
really tell the difference was that they were kind of talking about technology and kind of the the
capabilities of of the blockchain rather than um i guess during that time it would probably
been talking about the the rest of of spaces were talking about kind of
you know nft projects and the floor prices and the volumes and um uh and it was probably even pre
pre kind of the token craze that's currently kind of going on right now but um that was the difference to me was that these people these people understand it and
uh and can see the the future of it and managed to explain the kind of the future of this technology
in such a way that i could understand it easily which is uh which is which is amazing to do. And I'm not surprised that CNI kind of snapped up Clyde
to kind of get involved with them early on as well.
Because he definitely knows his stuff,
and he's pretty patient with the way he delivers the message,
and he's pretty patient with the way he delivers his uh the message should we say so uh yeah he
should we say.
joined cni during the second world record i think it was during the week i think 2023
could have been yeah could have been yeah yeah yeah because he was he was obviously working with
um grig on the kind of nftr side of things and um um you know the the sort of the monkeys
and stuff as well so um yeah it was a i was i was i was pleased for him but i was uh i was unhappy at
the same time because i thought damn it he's gonna have to leave what i'm doing and move on
move on to what they're doing. Yeah.
I mean, that's, you know, what's that, two years ago?
A year and a half?
Yeah, two years, I guess.
June, July 2023.
Wow.
Time does fly, doesn't it?
Time flies.
Yeah. I mean, I would have loved to see more more adoption of the technology across kind of crypto Twitter and Web3.
And we always knew it was a tall ask, especially when you're you're playing with a completely new programming language when when everybody else has been been sort of brainwashed
into the solidity world it's uh it's a it's a tall ask um and i think i think what's happening
now with with kind of people that some of the kind of basic primitives are out there uh working
pretty well and obviously we're we're still still very very heavily reliant on on cni to to kind of
produce a lot of the stuff that we use um i think i think the big thing now is people starting to
build their own languages you know rigidity is building a ru language uh i think i think steve
steps trying to build a build a kind of a basic or like a chia basic kind of language that the other developers
can use that that that ultimately kind of the front end looks more user friendly from a dev
point of view but the behind the scenes it's still using the chia lisp that the chia blockchain
operates on so um yeah i mean it's frustrating in a way Edward isn't it that that it doesn't it doesn't happen overnight
yeah I guess so the the I think the grant program was a big blocker accidentally probably from the
start because people change value generally with money and so
because there's a lot of developers there's lots of visionaries like yourself and there's like a
quite a big financial difference between some of the people in the space so it's
it's hard to basically pay people the money that they should be getting paid to do a job and without a grant program it left a bit of
a chasm of uh how to change exchange value but over time the community and you know say that the
diamonds are forged in the fire and all so over time like the best community as i think
mark and ava said earlier has sort of arguably like formed itself through the different mints from day one
all the way through to now and the space is carrying on and drap picking up the ball with
bradley it sort of created its own thing so maybe the weird grant program actually helped in a way
just not short term that is yeah yeah i agree i agree and uh i think one of the first things that i i kind of heard from
i guess cni the cni side of things were um you know two things that i guess i kind of saw as
negativity was um you know they're not they're not going to be marketing not to not to the crowd
that we were used to anyway and they're also not going to be
kind of um spending millions on grant programs you know like like many other blockchains did
and still do um i think that needs to happen and kind of sticking my other hat on a little bit
is one of the things within the xch foundation is that that's kind of the prime goal for the xch
foundation is to be able to help and fund developers and new developers or bring in new
developers into the ecosystem um but there's always that kind of uh chicken and egg thing
where you know you can't you can't fund new developers and existing developers without funds and you
kind of can't raise funds um you know unless you've got a plan and kind of people that are
waiting ready for that as well so that's a dilemma that we're we're kind of facing right now is um within the xh foundation
is how we how we kind of structure it or plan it so that um we've got a full a foolish plan
of what to do with funds if and when we get them and obviously the biggest the biggest kind of
funder would be cni um you know to to bring in funds to kind of something that can then,
I guess, kind of make decisions or dish out funds to other projects.
You've got two or three kind of funding options within our ecosystem,
and that's kind of the community.
And I know the community often would get behind something like that.
But I think to make it successful, you need to be much more bold and grander.
So, you know, it would be the case of approaching CNI for like a significant funding budget.
of approaching cni for like a significant funding budget um but to approach someone like cni for a
funding budget to to set up a program that's gonna you know broaden the community you've got to have
a pretty good plan in place and um that's always that's always difficult to do because you don't
know how much effort to kind of put into that plan and how far do you go down that road
you know do you start creating kind of full-on business plans do you do you kind of start um
uh putting out feelers to to what kind of projects would want to come and build into the ecosystem
um and then you don't necessarily know what kind of funding you're capable of raising as
well so it's uh it's that chicken and egg thing so that's kind of something we've been talking
about in the background there of how how you kind of raise funds to then be able to dish out funds
as well so um but i do i do in it all you know i do think that that even though
the xh foundation is kind of not stalled but slowed down for kind of being on the um uh the
forefront of people's minds uh i think it's going to be an essential tool for the future of how
how the week we as a community can do something that cni can't necessarily do
you know cni as we've kind of knew and learned they are predominantly going to be looking out
for themselves you know that's that's kind of how businesses work uh they've created a public
blockchain they've created kind of a lot of the tools that we use a lot of the primitives but um you know their their main goal is to make money for their business
and their shareholders and you know their seed round seed round sort of funders um and that's
that's their priority that's their number one goal um And I think there has to be a kind of central entity that looks out and has a priority that that isn't CNI.
It is still the blockchain. You know, we still want to look after the blockchain, but have a kind of a different viewpoint of more of a retail kind of looking out for the community and and that type
of thing um you know whether that that involves kind of dows and and things like that uh operating
you know we don't know we're not quite that far down the road so uh um but yeah i think it's
something that that the community kind of needs you know to the kind of extent of things like the XCH Foundation could create, I guess, things that are more directly linked to the blockchain itself um
when I say that I mean kind of um a different type of node for instance so we're not all relying on
uh the chia blockchain node you you know maybe there's a way of having you know bitcoin for instance has different node types you can run um you know
if the if the chia node kind of crashes one day you know for whatever reason i don't know uh
you know that that kind of messes a lot of things up but if you've got
when you look at kind of the farming side of things and the last few years you know you've got you've got different kind of um
um sort of ways of of plotting that came about you know you've got sort of um uh different
different ways of creating your plots and that really uh at certain times helped the chia
blockchain um you know there's obviously a problem with the kind of decentralization
of it um but there was a point where there was a particularly nasty transaction stuck in the mempool
um and i think that the i can't remember the name of them but the ones that
are no s no ssd who kind of got their own bespoke plotting um to kind of maximize profit etc etc um if it was if that
didn't exist then i think there would have been much bigger problems and i think that's the same
when it comes to maybe like creating another completely full full node that still builds blocks
and can you know maintains the rules of this sort of time and space um but it's a separate way of um
i guess kind of running a node and running a farming farming experience so um but again
that that comes with because it is this kind of public blockchain you can do that you can do that we don't have to rely on cni all the time to uh to to sort of do
everything um but to to build something like that um you know kind of a completely full node
that that still operates on the chia blockchain you're talking like a hundred thousand dollars
plus and i know that because we've um we've we've inquired about how to do that and we've spoken to
some people about it as well so um you know again is that part of a is that part of a good use of
funds you know if we if the if the xch foundation suddenly came into 10 million dollars uh next
year or whatever um you know is that a good use of fun to kind of create this additional
node system that uh that kind of um maybe helps the ecosystem i don't know i don't know
i don't know but anyway we're kind of coming towards the end here i'm sure t money's probably
set his space up let me uh see if he's set his space up yeah and all that i can share that to the top here there it is let me share that to the top of the space
jean orange with t money um but yeah edward uh you know what what if if you had 10 million dollars
in a pot right now what would where would you kind of point it if you were pointing it towards the Chia ecosystem?
What would you kind of
do with it?
Well,
please 10x what I'm about
to say because I was thinking in terms of
1 million. I thought
1 million was like a massive
amount of money that would be enough to
fund Chia's ecosystem. So
whatever I say times 10 i'd say
foods smert food just give him 42 000 straight away just whatever you want for you're a visionary
you know how it works like pat him on the back and we're not going to control you so you may as well
just like give him money and say whatever you want if you want to take it and run fair enough you've
earned it well done and then similar amounts of money to other people who clearly want to build uh whether it's t money
cas or people who would do something if they had money just just cash payouts whatever you want to
create off you go and then maybe get everyone to vote on maybe one big project for maybe 200,000 to 500,000.
And that would be out of my hands, out of your hands.
Just what does the community want?
Who should get it?
And say, give 50% to one in particular,
and then spread the other 50% around the community,
like to foods, people like that who deserve it.
And then we need influencers as well.
We need a few celebrities and people that will just come in and who will sort of use sage wallet on their instagram use
uh tibet swap on instagram stories uh that would be a bit fiddly for a celebrity or an influencer
but something like uh in the wallets or or on the website so i'm not sure that that
would help as well uh but yeah i think most of the key names just it writes themselves you know
the michael taylor's dig data layer i mean sovereign internet that's can't be touched i
mean that's that would be right at the top of the get the biggest amount of funding pot, I would guess off the top of my head.
Yeah.
You're kind of like, you know,
these are kind of some of the conversations I've had before with people.
And it's like, you know,
there's different areas that need funding within the cheer ecosystem.
You know, if you gave a
million dollars to michael taylor right now god knows what he'd be able to create but it would
be amazing uh you know if somebody had a million dollars spare give it to michael taylor um and
and let him go for it because uh you know he'd be at you know he'd be at a higher developers he'd be
at you know boost that ecosystem so much.
And then you've got the other side, like you say, of the kind of the more kind of crypto Twitter retailer type thing
to bring people into the ecosystem.
Like you say, influencers, KOLs, that type of thing.
You know, how much of a percentage would you kind of want
to put your efforts into funding that type of thing
um yeah it is i would say influence is quite a small amount but enough to see who's really
interested and then over time maybe you could raise it yeah exactly yeah yeah yeah i mean it's
quite it's quite interesting actually what you know know, when we get together with the XCH Foundation and, you know,
the group of people that are talking, it's like Grig, myself,
Rigidity, Yak, and Scott Norman.
And you've got a couple of developers there.
You've got myself that's kind of more leaning towards the retail side of things um you've got scott norman who's
like uh you know um a financial kind of expert uh and you've got um and you've got greg who's kind of
this um entrepreneurial type person that that's that's kind of uh got a really good vision
of kind of the future of things as well so we we do bounce around all these ideas of um you know
what's what's kind of the most important thing there is it is it kind of the future vision is
it kind of development is it kind of retail uh and uh it's interesting we really should
do a kind of a um an xeh foundation space on that topic of of of you know what's what's kind of the
important things but um but anyway we've got tea money up on the stage let's say hello to tea money
g moran's tea money cheap orange homie how you doing how was your space it's good it's good yeah yeah we uh
uh we managed to kind of hit a few more uh bits today we we've pretty i'll tell you what yesterday
we we pretty much nailed it in three hours uh so today was more of a um a kind of few loose ends
making sure that kind of the when we talk about the artwork the traits are
sort of what we want them to be make sure the position of the traits are going to be good in
the artwork and sort of narrow I guess narrow down a few more of the what we're going to do
with the funds but today really has been kind of a chat around,
around that topic in the last hour or so.
Me and Edward had just talked about kind of general cheer ecosystem stuff.
So it's been good. It's been good fun. Good fun. What you got,
what you got planned for today, anything cool?
Oh no, just a typical G, just a typical G morning space.
That's about it. Just hanging out with the homies, getting the vibe
set for the day.
It's morning time for the East Coast.
Yeah.
Hitting up Grizzle. I always like to hear
Grizzle on his way to work, grabbing his coffee.
I don't know what time it is for Grizzle,
but I think it's like 5 in the morning for him
or something like that.
It's real early
for him. I think it's almost like 4 50 yeah but yeah about
five yeah probably about five crazy that's crazy uh yeah always it's always good it's always part
of my routine now because like i said like i said before in your space it's like midday one o'clock
your space comes on and then i'm i'm perfectly set set up. I've done like a morning's, a morning's work.
And I've kind of need a bit of a lunch break.
It works perfectly for me.
I know that much.
Edward, what time's it for you?
You're in, you're in Thailand, aren't you?
What time's it for you right now?
It's 5.54 PM.
Okay.
So it's your kind of evening.
Well, time zones here look we've got we've got evening my lunchtime and t money's t money's breakfast
awesome all right i've pinned i've pinned t money space to the top there so in five minutes time
we'll kind of uh migrate over a t moneymoney space and then kind of lay out the plan
for tomorrow for the space tomorrow uh hopefully we'll have ice labs has gone a bit further down
the road of um the design if you have a look at the pin tweets at the top there one of the first
pin tweets i think was uh kind of his design of the little robot running. We just need to make a couple adjustments there to make sure that the traits kind of work within it.
And then tomorrow, I want to try and get into the depths of the metadata
and start talking about the wording that we're going to use for the collection,
like the title, what the collection is about, how we word it,
what the trait types are
and how we word the trait types do we link in kind of um you know what their traits are uh
because the the idea of the traits have been kind of loosely based around like the space host so
there's a there's a kind of a t-money uh trait amongst those that might not necessarily be much to do with t-money but
it's kind of named after yourself and uh same with kind of drac and me and edward and and all
these type of people so uh we'll dive into the metadata tomorrow and and go into how we have to
structure it for like chip 7 or chip 15 metadata uh and and go through kind of the checks and balances of that
to make sure that that the ecosystems sort of explorers can read it properly um so there's no
errors within kind of the metadata and the tools that i use to create it um there's a there's a
really cool kind of schema.org page where you can copy paste metadata inside of it and it will
compare it to chip 7 and highlight any errors with inside that so you can make sure that
that you're um you're ticking all the boxes and creating it correctly because there's nothing
worse than minting the collection and it doesn't appear properly because uh because you've you know
you've you've put something just slightly incorrect within the metadata and every every every nft artist goes through it
tell you everyone mints their first one and goes oh that doesn't look like
i do it and i i do it and i've i've i've released i don't know like i don't know 10 different kind
of little little monkey zoo collections, mini marmots.
And I can guarantee every single time there'll be a mistake within the metadata.
Even though I've checked it 10 times, one of the things I've learned is I have to create it and then give it to somebody else to look at.
Because you've been staring at it for like, you know, 10 days straight or something.
You just don't see the errors.
You don't see the simple spelling mistakes that you would
if you would just have a fresh pair of eyes on it.
Because you'll mint it.
It'll look different on the screen.
And you can see like an error straight away.
So it's crazy.
but there we go but you'll you've got all this to come team money with your collection
But there we go.
But you've got all this to come, T-Money, with your collection.
oh man the metadata is what scares me the most
i'm not looking forward to uh really doing all that but i'm gonna get it yeah it's a skill it
is definitely a skill that you you have to kind have to kind of learn as well.
And Edward, you've obviously produced a few NFTs in your time on Chia, so you probably have a good understanding of how the metadata needs to be presented properly.
I could only do it with the Excel.
You were talking about Excel earlier, using Microsoft Excel and Mintgarden Studio from Acevel.
I wouldn't have been able to do without that.
Oh, okay, okay.
Well, we can go into that tomorrow
because it's not hard to,
once you've got a template of the JSON format,
we can probably start pinning things down the bottom
of how it should look and what tools I use
to make sure it's all right.
So, and that's a good skill to be able to learn as well, to make sure it's all right so um and that's that's a good
skill to be able to learn as well to make sure that you're setting up the json file correctly so
yeah we'll do that tomorrow that's that's tomorrow's task is metadata uh maybe look at
the license see if we need to put a license on there uh and and uh and a bit more chat about
the complete cheer ecosystem sounds good to me.
We'll see where things are.
But, yeah, I'll let Team Money get off, fire up his space,
and we'll pass over the baton, and then I'll jump in there. I need to grab myself a nice cup of tea, cup of coffee, something to eat,
and we'll take it from there.
Amazing.
All right, guys.
I'll see you over in Gm Orange.
Have a great day. See you, see you team honey yeah so edward it's time for your tea i reckon in it the breakfast i got caught out this morning i thought i was on at 1 p.m
and i woke up at 10 45 hungry ready to go shopping and it's like you're on now so it's worth it
it's a festival
and you're not going to get back from Glastonbury
and be like well I'm glad I ate
one more meal, it's like you saw the red hot
chilli peppers or Pink Floyd, fuck it
yeah I like it
that's the
attitude to have that is
yeah you don't want to pick you don't want to miss a pink floyd moment in the monkey zoo space
that's for sure no there's been a couple even in the last two days so great that ace veil jumped
up today five minutes done figured it out yeah yeah well like you said earlier it's kind of the new medium isn't it you know
that would have been um well i guess if we're if we're kind of building in the open uh that's kind
of the decentralized way to ask a question wasn't it you know it's not me just in the background
doing a dm it's kind of come in we'll talk about it job done yeah we're decentralizing information for sure no friction
no friction right okay then guys let's wrap it up for today uh same time tomorrow i'll be taking
over from edward and t money will be taking over from me tomorrow as well um yeah let's uh let's
wrap it up today a good space i think we're making progress
um the pressure will start happening wednesday when we're when we're getting to the stage where
we kind of need artworks to be starting to near finishing and metadata starts to need to be
finished so um we'll see how it goes so anyway enough enough for today. Cheers, Edward, for coming up and keeping me company.
And, yeah, we'll do it all again tomorrow.
Catch you later.
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