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🌱 Chia 4 . 4 . April 4 🇹🇭 2025 Earthquake+ Drac Launch Report w/Art +Drac
Recorded: April 4, 2025 Duration: 2:32:45Space Recording
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A bit better, I'm 24 minutes late today.
Last week, an hour and 40.
And I was punished, I guess, by the earthquake,
which we'll talk about today.
And I'll go through exactly what happened,
what I was thinking and all that stuff.
But let me just paste this in the places.
And there is the one,
there's no one I'd love to talk about an earthquake
with more than young bradley art with heart wallace the entrepreneur extraordinaire
how are you my friend nice to hear your voice sorry i missed you last week
yeah what a crazy one to miss uh i don't know if you listen back but yeah in the last 20 minutes the earthquake hit Bangkok
I was I had to do a quick exit from the space to get outside my building and then when I came back
upstairs 15 minutes later it's still running so I did the closing thought and and ended the space
Yeah, that was great.
yeah that was great epic definitely an epic recording
Epic.
Definitely an epic recording.
I even gave a shout out to Drak for your launch, which was obviously, I guess, the day after.
But I was like, this is dedicated to projected holographic realities.
The Drakatus launch.
I hit play basically after swapping sound source.
And the earthquake hit almost to the second.
I'll send you the audio. Or I can send you the audio or i can send you the link or whatever send you the audio file but yeah it's
a little bit of cheer history there fantastic um how have you been how's uh how's things going on
your personal life how uh what is what is the news yeah quite a lot to chat about i guess yeah lots going on uh i'm just going to send you the
invite to co-host yeah i've got updates about music village boom world park boom finally and
that's all within the last few days uh yeah i've been paid first time i've been paid since 2021
was within the last week.
That was awesome.
So that was a big change.
And yeah, what else?
Yeah, Bangkok's changed fucking.
I think it changed me, my perception of the things
and then tying it back to Chia.
And I'll talk about Music Village of World Park
a bit more in a bit, but just easing myself in here
because I'm not going to lie. I've just smoked marijuana. about music village of world park a bit more in a bit but just easing myself in here because it's
i've just had i'm not gonna lie i've just smoked marijuana not not the devil's lettuce exactly
yeah but i think just to uh just really what i've been interested in uh in Chia specifically, outside of earthquakes and disasters,
is, yeah, the Dracatus launch.
I really enjoyed it, I've got to say, for different reasons.
But, yeah, the floor is yours, buddy.
Yeah, thank you for that.
It was a nice launch.
We had to work through some bugs, as always,
with releases of this size and stuff.
But, yeah, breeding is now up
and running we're uh getting battling ready currently um and once battling is ready we're
going to in a sense do like um a wipe of data um so like any that you've created um will stay there
uh that you've minted and stuff will stay there but we're
we're gonna wipe like data points uh basically so where you were on the map kind of thing so
this is just like the the pre-season beta of it in a sense and then uh once we release
battling then then we're gonna start it live with everything
awesome i'm just preparing my third copy in the background here. And then I'm really into the space after the third coffee.
What struck me about the launch was. I feel it was.
It depends how you look at it. It was one of, if not the first launches basically of a product or a blockchain based product in the spoken era.
And there have been other things launched. So it's not really, it's not really the first, but it was like the first where it's like they get it.
Okay. They've been doing this for a few years. They're hungry. I said in the space last week, these guys are hungry.
Better watch them.
So you've been doing spaces every day and you're going to hit 365.
And so this was like the first Drakatus launch of that, where I'm like, okay, what are they going to do with it?
And strangely, the thing I found most compelling was actually when the bug hit, I wanted more.
I was like, oh, don't stop the
space. Keep going. I feel that on the surface. It's like, well, why would a bug interest you?
It's because it's new. It's new media. I've never ever heard a programmer talking to a
community member or a user, let's say, foods is a user a user right of games uh i've never heard them like
get the feedback live as it launches has that ever happened before yet but yeah totally curious
of your thoughts of how i guess maybe on like twitch or tiktok again very rare very like niche
kind of uh network or niche kind of subject on that. Um, but yeah, that's, that's been part of kind of what we've been trying to do is
this is like how we operate anyways.
In the last couple of years, we've done this in Jitsi where we just live
develop inside of a video call, basically where anybody could jump in and out of.
Um, but we decided a few months ago that we would like to start doing that and
our standups and our daily spaces
basically in a live setting for at least an hour or two a day so that it shows accountability for
anybody else so that they can show up themselves it sets a new standard of business practice inside
of the web3 space of again even just showing up for an hour to an hour and a half a day seven
days a week no matter what for yourself for your your goals, um, to help push forward.
So basically it's, it's a catalyst, um, for other people.
So, because we've been doing this for years, showing up every day with each other, um,
we wanted to be the catalyst to be an excuse for other people who felt like, you know,
I don't have the drive to do this myself.
I don't have like, I don't think I can just start doing this every day.
So like if we're showing up every day,
even if you're showing up to show up with us and listening,
that's setting a new pattern.
That's setting a new routine.
So just by participating,
just by listening,
it again changes your life,
hopefully in a better pattern.
Yeah, the accountability of showing up every day,
that really has stood out to me
because it's really not easy to do.
It really is not easy to do anything every day.
Five days a week, you can do it.
It's still, if you're not being paid for it,
let's say it's tough,
but set to do something seven days is different things.
So to take that on and to basically hit it out the park,
you've hit it every single day, I think, right. You haven't missed one.
Oh yeah. Yeah. Every day, at least one of us. And, and again, like,
like I said, we're still working every day,
even more hours on that together. Um,
that's just like the stuff that you guys see. So we're,
we're like jumping on a call for an hour before our calls every morning, you know, just shooting the shit, starting our days, uh, you know, making our mark and Ava and, uh, and going from there.
So, and then the call ends or the space ends.
And usually we call each other after that, have another chat for a while, depending on what's going on work-wise for me, how loud is it and stuff.
Um, but yeah, that's, that's constant every day.
We're, we're making moves we're
making progress we're making calls we're we're communicating at the very least you know every day
um and making plans for the next day or the next couple days in a sense
yeah i'm curious to get your thoughts on the concept that the actually the bug and the live discussion of the bug strangely was the main
event what's who thought of that yeah um again that's kind of what's fun it's like showing the
reality behind it and the the rawness of product release you know like so like you're able to
to capitalize live in the environment on saying like, oh, hey, this is an issue. And instead of like having to do a bug report and go through the traditional means and methods,
you're getting live interactive feedback from, you know, the community right off the bat.
So it makes it a lot easier, you know, to be able to chase things down,
especially if you're having multiple people check it because it's like, okay,
is this a system error? Is a user error is this a browser error
you know like there's all kinds of edge cases that you in a sense have to test out and we can only
test so many of them out ourselves between devices we's the official status on the bug has it been fixed
oh yeah it was a very simple bug um it wasn't actually on our part um it was uh something to
do with mint garden there was um an error in the in the mint on demand setup that we
had done with him so we just had to wait for andre for the next day and he fixed it in like two
seconds but then drac changed a bunch of code thinking it was on his end um because he was
like overtired and just should have been sleeping instead um and so he changed a bunch of code and
then had to go back and bring it all back to the main branch and refresh it to what it was because it wasn't on our end.
Nice. That's that's brilliant. So that's interesting then.
Yeah, that's I just had a busy week.
So after I think you did one space after that, I remember, and then I kind of lost the narrative a little bit.
But it's good to know it's been fixed.
But yeah, what's the status of the launch and
how it's done and yeah oh it was great yeah i think we got up to number two on mint garden for
the week during the launch and release um yeah the the minting is going very well um again just
trying to work out some bugs of the new system of again doing mint on
demand and again so like how we made it is you can kind of build yourself a drac and then you
don't necessarily have to buy the one that you you minted it like if you it kind of creates one and
then it gives you a little preview on mint garden but but you can choose to, to get that one or not in a sense.
So there's,
you can only click it so many times before mint garden stops you and says,
Hey, you know, you're, you're, you're using up this too many credits in a sense.
Because we pay for every time that you generate one.
And then basically we get paid on every time they get bought so again we we made sure to
work out the mathematics on on that so that they're you know we wouldn't get totally screwed
out of it in a sense so we had to rate limit um the amount of times you can refresh it to make a
new one uh and then buy them but with that um it mess messes up token numbers so like uh you know there's 20 minted
but only four bot or five bot so there's 20 token numbers but only five of them are actually in play
but for what we're doing um nfts doesn't really fit the standard of what we're doing like
immutable data in a sense that's not what we're going for because this is a game so
the the metadata will constantly be updated and that was like the whole basis of this new standard
of what we're creating with tank talk and everything is updatable metadata in nft so
fungible non-fungible nfts the metadata is fungible the nft itself is not
metadata is fungible the nft itself is not
or i should say one's fun it's non-fungible but not immutable metadata that would be a better
description could you just say that again sorry i missed it yep so the the nfts themselves are
yep so the the nfts themselves are non-fungible yeah and then the metadata the point of what we
do and how our system works is so that that is able to be updated um so that is that is the system
of what how uh you know the the nft daps work is we're able to update them real time like this is
kind of our our secret sauce
in a sense of what we've made over the last year and a half is the ability to have the original
metadata the same but how the state effect reacts in game is based on updatable metadata
is that the extra metadata standard that was released as a chip in the last couple
of i guess years couple of years or so nope this is our own standard this is like this is kind of
what i was i mentioned earlier today actually yesterday i stirred up some trouble and some
mischief and i messaged jox and told him i'm like yeah i'm i'm stirring up a little trouble i'm like
a little mischief.
So thank you for playing along.
Cause I was giving him partially incorrect ideas on that.
And I was trying to get people to, to correct me in a sense and try to walk
through solving this problem.
Cause Bram was saying he couldn't understand how state channels would
work inside a multiplayer.
And so I brought it to, um, the AI that I've been building
and I said, all right, let's, let's, let's create a temp, like a partial, uh, a solution to this
and challenge people basically to, to help me fix it. And so Josh was playing along very nicely.
So I appreciate him for, for doing that. But yeah, that's kind of like what we've been doing with Rocket L2.
That is the basis of like what TangTalk and Drak runs off of, um, is this, um, offline
first decentralized database that works almost exactly like a blockchain as Merkle tree,
it has hashes,hes. It has validation. It has, you know, edge case validation.
Again, it's,
it's pretty much like a blockchain off of a blockchain without the greed,
without the gas fees, without all the bullshit.
So that you can operate as a web three
platform in the traditional methods and means without
necessarily having to worry about traffic and gas costs.
Like you can just cash the hash data after on chain.
Like it doesn't necessarily need to be dependent on the block heights and blockchain
speed in order to complete the next level and that was the whole point of what we created
rocket l2 for in the first place was for dracatus before we even came up with it for tank talk was
we wanted a real-time solution that we weren't waiting on block height depending on whatever
blockchain in order
to go to the next part of the game i would love to ask a little more about the metadata i suppose
is it something that you guys have developed yourself it's like not not on chain yeah the
meta chain the the metadata actually can be on chain like the original metadata but the
reference data of which we utilize for game state um is all through rocket is all through the
database itself rocket could you refresh me that's a data layer powered, like extension?
It's actually not.
So we can utilize data layer, but you don't actually need data layer. So it is a graph database system.
So every node, think of it like marmots, right?
So every Tang Talk is a node.
So every DRA talk is a node so every drac is a node so it data shards all the data across
all players and keeps a portion of all this you could say and it said encrypted hash across
everybody's data and only the person that owns it can access all the pieces wow and that's where you'll update the metadata yeah we uh drag's been
utilizing a multi multi-system so ipfs ipns uh data layer and our he's working on in a sense like
think of it as a different kind of style of data layer. That's like this unstoppable DNS
that we've been talking with Michael
about building for the last couple of years.
There's multiple ways
because basically through the cruxes of data layer
in the last year and a half of updates
and different like system crashes,
we've basically had to come up with workarounds
in the meantime to have it keep
working in the same style of decentralization.
So that's kind of what we've been exploring in other avenues as well.
Very, very interesting.
Yeah.
There's so many layers to it and it seems you're ahead of the curve with the different
strands of the technology that you're kind of the curve with the different strands of the technology that you're
kind of twisting to get the game going essentially you will yeah and that's that was the whole thing is that's why it's taken so long i mean me and drac met um when he was first coming out with
the original tcg um trading card game um back in that, or 2020, that's, that's when we first met
or 2021, something like that. Um, and so I was a fan of it. I was a collector. I was a holder.
That's how we first met. Um, and then I did a video on Tik TOK, uh, cause he was doing, uh,
his nucleus program, which is like chunk and, and, and a bunch of, you know, OGs from back in the day all got together in his nucleus program and he taught them agile development and stuff.
And that's when they came up with like mint machine back in the day.
That was the DGN waffles earlier days.
I was part of the next, the, the nucleus program, but I was too busy.
They were getting up at like five or 6. AM my time. And it was just way too early for me to come every day. earlier days i was part of the next the the nucleus program but i was too busy they were
getting up at like five or six a.m my time and it was just way too early for me to come every day
so i popped in when i could um but yeah so that's kind of like been the process is waiting for
technology in a sense to catch up to his vision of what he wants this to be in his head and he
hand coded it for fucking three years until cursor and ai came around and now
he's rewritten it i don't know four or five times in the last couple of months just you know being
able to take his code base and rewrite it through cursor yeah wow so cool yeah i really want to
just underscore how riveting it was as a spaces fan to hear the development taking place live and i almost feel
you could have got more i don't know blood from that stone essentially like there was more to
come out of it that's the wrong phrase you can't get blood from a stone uh like water from a sponge
you can get blood from a bloodstone and there are bloodstones in drac though so you're welcome to the accidental
game plug there the synchronicity brother yeah for sure that's that's really interesting uh yeah
cool oh what was i saying oh yes yeah i mean, I don't know, it almost could have had a press conference for the next like, I don't know. It just I just found it riveting. I could have carried on listening.
real to be able to do live development like that inside of spaces um it definitely does have a value
add um not just from a holder's perspective but from a team's perspective especially you know like
let's say um you know cryptfluencers they you know they've been in our group and they've been
you know we've been working with them on their project and stuff and so i feel like you know just
again setting that standard and showing how like we do
business and how we develop projects and and again the agile development style of the seriousness we
take everybody else's projects to um it's it's a part of the part of the equation that rarely gets
seen right so uh speak of the devil mr dracatus is in the room
um it adds extra value yes bravo bravo to him indeed um extra value you know what i mean like
something that you probably don't normally get it's it's something that seen behind the curtains
in a sense that um you wouldn't get the opportunity to learn from it and i've had the absolute pleasure
and honor of learning from uh drac in the last couple years you know like that you don't get the opportunity to learn from it. And I've had the absolute pleasure and honor of learning from Drak in the last couple of years.
You know, like that, you don't get that.
25-year, you know, full stack development team, like leader, used to work for fucking Mac.
And he's teaching you guys for fucking free every day.
So whether people see the value in that or not, that's on them.
Oh, I see the value.
You're ahead of a curve here with so many fronts.
You're riding the curve of technology, obviously, Chia, top blockchain, top data layer, all this stuff, linking together,
updatable metadata, which you're pioneering in.
So that's another first, essentially.
essentially, head of the curve with live media, i.e. Spaces launches. That's three. So, I mean,
Head of the curve with live media, i.e. spaces launches.
That's three.
you name it, it's all lining up like it's the bullseye. Everything says that you're on the
path to success, and it's an honor to see it and be part of it, I guess, to listen in on these live
launches and see the journey. It's amazing. Yeah, I don't believe in destiny, or not destiny,
see the journey. It's amazing.
Yeah, I don't believe in destiny,
or not destiny, in chance anymore, Edward.
Everything is synchronicity.
Everything is
planned. There's a pattern for everything.
That's so interesting.
I'm writing that one down.
Everything is synchronicity.
I felt that again the last month,
especially since the planet
alignment for sure i mean that day was kind of life-changing for me in a sense life perception
changing and then the last month and that line there everything is synchronicity it was life
changing for me as well that that was the day i finally solved the ryman hypothesis wow full planetary alignment february 28th 2025.
uh no the the alignment uh started on the 24th or 25th and start and then on the ninth day
it was in full alignment and then the 11 11th day was the Taurus moon ascending.
The 11th day was the full alignment.
Yeah, the full alignment would have been March 3rd, March 2nd.
It was, again, nine days after the 25th.
Interesting.
I need to...
I've got it in my notes as the alignment happened on a certain day and it could be a day later that's interesting yeah it was wednesday the 5th it was in full
alignment yeah well what a month yeah and so seeing you out of a curve with this narrative, like this matrix narrative almost,
it's just like, it's just what happens next.
That's really it.
Everything happens next, Edward.
That's the answer.
I've got my coffee.
I'm back.
I'm making a coffee myself.
I just caught myself and put espresso in
instead of decaf that that would have been a mistake i was 20 minutes late better than an
hour and 40 sorry i was so late last week oh that's okay i was so tired last week i was burning
the wick at both ends so i i couldn't hold out until that, so I apologize for missing it.
Yeah, so as far as the Direct Atchus launch goes,
where are we now in the development? Do you have a version number
or anything like that? Yeah, it's still V1 beta right now,
and then, like I said, we're working out getting battling working
fully, and then like i said we're working out getting battling working um fully um and then
uh breeding and battling will be live and we can uh we can start launching it out on main net on
that style and then uh start the start the coins and competitions nice so just before the
would it be safe say just before the main launch of gaming, of battling?
Yeah, I'd say probably Drak can give me the thumbs up on this if we're still on track.
Probably in the next one or two weeks we'll be fully polished, ready for battling and breeding.
Ah, nice.
Will there be more, like, development spaces for when it launches or? Oh, for sure. Yeah, nice. Will there be more, like, development spaces for when it launches?
Oh, for sure.
Yeah, yeah.
We're definitely, when we launch Battling Breeding fully,
we'll definitely be doing another space in getting live bug fixes for sure.
Yeah, that's awesome.
I guess I could say it again because maybe Direct didn't hear it,
but I thought the
live bug report was so riveting media i couldn't get enough of it i wish it just carried on for
another like 12 hours hearing foods like uh try and fix it or like go through the problems and
hearing the process it was like i get it i see yeah and also it the psychology of releasing
something it changes that as well.
Because in my head, I thought, well, a piece of software is released. The developer cracks a champagne open and relaxes for like the next month or whatever.
But alas, no, because if something goes on, you then have to like react in real time.
So there's a real element of what's going to happen in it so yeah very educational i found it
yeah we're at the point where it was like it just needs to be released you know it just needs to
come out he's been working on it he's putting so much work into it um and he's a bit of a
perfectionist because he's a master at what he does um so he has a certain quality control that
he doesn't want to let shit out the door from but there's so many hours in the day and you don't get more of them. And sometimes you just
need to put it out there in order to push yourself and push the community into seeing the work that
you've already done. So that's where I see the development of it right now. Um, and I'm excited
for, like I said, breeding and battling to come out and the story to start evolving and people to
dive into the world and start seeing the intricacy of this presentation layer which is what dracatus is the dracatus ecosystem the the game
is it's all about tech that he's built or we've built and that we want to be able to showcase
uh the community so what the community is doing this is supposed to be like a world you can jump into.
Think of it as like a Dexie mixed with spatial
so that you can populate other projects into it
and be able to see what's for sale,
what's been trading,
what's active in a live visual space
instead of just, you know,
slots and numbers and names inside of a Dex.
Love it. Dexy meets spatial. That's got to bring to it.
Yeah, I'm glad it's not called fexy.
Otherwise, that would be a very funny combo name.
Fexy meets spatial facial come on didn't
i'm just gonna check the stats i know it was number one congrats to being number one
how many times have you hit number one before in the nft ranking oh geez um depends which chain right
we'll go go through it then what's the list um well that's what i'm saying what chain which
which area what what decks you know what i mean you're looking at um i don't know we don't
necessarily count the numbers it's just kind of like like, oh, cool. We're number two.
We're number one.
It's like, it's, it's, it's not like your traditional NFT project where again, like
you said, um, or even traditional software development, that's not how we live.
This is, this is a lifestyle for us.
This is not just a product.
This is not just a company.
This is not just a team, but we are in each other's
lives all day every day um we we know what's going on with each other all day every day um because
we've involved each other so much within our lives so that's that's the whole point of it is that this
isn't just software this isn't just a company this isn't just a sas product it's
a way of life and and we're gonna do it no matter what so it's not just about like oh we got number
one let's keep that spot let's climb let's get there let's keep there it's it's more about the
progress and process of development between each other and the company and the products
and our growth within that value add in a sense
Yeah, well for sure, but you know congratulations on hitting the number one spot
And that's it's not the first time I'm sure I'm sure you've been there like a few times I can remember but
It's like the Beatles that the Beatles, number one again.
It's like, ah, the record.
I suppose Chia Prenz has hit number one,
fallen out, hit one again.
Does that count as being one twice?
Maybe, but you've released updates and different versions,
so it's like kind of not a different project,
but different things. Chia Prenz was just a one-off. Yeah, that's what I'm kind of a not a different project but different things geoprene's friends
was just a one-off yeah that's what i'm kind of saying too like so it's hard to hard to put a
thing on that like oh well how many times were you number one like i don't really know because
again it's not something we necessarily pay attention to other than on launch day itself
just to see kind of how sales are going um that number that like target goal isn't
necessarily our target it's it's about putting out quality product um that we're proud of that
that we you know feel like we either again added something new to the community added something new
to the space to the tech um or just provided an avenue for others to be able to do what we
do on a daily basis.
You're changing the
game.
Not just changing the game, but changing the rules to the
game.
That doesn't sound fair.
Hold on a sec, what?
Yeah, like if you see
that there shouldn't have been a rule there in the first place
and you find a better way to play the game, well, it becomes a new game or a new take on the original game. But again, same thing like, oh, well, like everything should be on chain. No, it shouldn't. Like it's, it's wasteful. It's silly. And we don't need like somebody else's chain in order to, you know hash this data or run our game like
that's not the the point of it the point of it is ownership and validation of ownership and
provenance like that is the whole point behind it so that is like the basis of what we're saying
it's like we're rewriting the rules to the game because the rules were flawed in the beginning
the rules to the game because the rules were flawed in the beginning is it a completely new
game or a rewritten old game um metaphorically it is let's say an old game with new rules like
so think of it as like like what bram's building right he's building cosmic poker with five decks
that are infinite well that's not a game that exists
anywhere else right now so it's it's still a game it's poker right there's rule sets to it but now
there's a separate variation of it so there's new rule sets and there's new ways to play it and
it brings the fun and the you know uh not rarity but um
i can't think of the word that i'm looking for in my head but it's fresh it's new it's so it brings
the fun back to something old yeah yeah i think you're doing a smashing job
well we're having fun doing it so that's that, that's, that's important. Uh, but I appreciate
the, the kind words and the congratulations. And those are important. I think it's important,
especially coming from such a good friend and as yourself, because honestly, like we probably say
it too little to ourselves because we're so focused on building and so focused on the mission we have
in our head and where we want to be and where we are versus now.
We're thinking so far ahead in the future in a sense that the industry around
us sometimes fails to catch up.
Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
And also because you do the daily space every day, you're probably always thinking about the next space or what's going on today. And yeah, you should definitely pat yourself on the back, though. I mean, you've really achieved something here. So kudos to you both.
We appreciate it.
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I did like your idea of commercializing the Mark and Ava show in the morning.
Yeah, it's going to happen one day.
Not saying your show necessarily, that's up to you,
but that will be a thing at some point,
unless Twitter gets blocked or they whatever you know
you only can have ads if whatever you submit your whatever a blood sample or something like
something where you're like i can't do that and then it's well they can censor you but as it
stands there's nothing could stop you but it would you think it'll happen you'd think that one day
thing could stop you but it would you think it'll happen you'd think that one day the mooch or i
don't know ricky gervais or someone will just do a space and be like hold on a sec this is like a
live stand-up performance to the whole world could i just be like would you take five dollars for a
cheer music ad mr gervais like whatever but then he does that in the thing as soon as you hear cheer music in a ricky gervais
ad in his own space boom you know a million people you've just reached oh sure yeah i mean i feel like
some some of the shows do it like again over the last couple of years but again it's more shady
and shifty in a sense or not even shady and shifty but like the the shilly like nft spaces
i feel like a lot of those hosts are paid to shill certain you know projects and stuff like that
um so more backdoor gray um advertisement not so direct um i feel like a lot of the spaces
feel like a lot of the spaces are like a cheesy carsman like car salesman kind of spaces in a
sense some of those shill spaces um but i get like the movement behind it i get the energy behind it
not shitting on it uh just just saying like it's you know it's it's like being able to take
hindsight looking back to the 90s and watching you know the budweiser commercials and being like okay that is really dated now yeah the problem with the product placement style that you said
like if something is sponsored by the yuga labs we already have ads i would say that's in a slightly
different category because that's more that let's just say it's fake you're trying to sneak in
information about yuga Labs.
You've been paid to do it.
There's a big difference between that and then having your own space where the time is free.
And then you say, read out and say this first 30 seconds is paid for by whatever.
Yeah, yeah.
Auctions.
So I know what you're saying, but they're two different advertising methods.
I'm not saying we would do it that way. I'm saying like, I think that's like the first cornerstone in it, but yeah,
like once, once you're having a good following and a good basis in a sense,
I feel like you could do it.
Even if it's just a funny thing, like you want to like promote one of your
buddies that's in the space,
but it's like you take the time of production to make it sound like an actual full commercial.
Yeah, for sure.
The attention economy is a real thing.
There's something called the memory hole.
Do you know what that is?
I do.
It was on a gas station off of Route 71,
gas station uh off of route 71 but we won't talk about that
but we won't talk about that.
uh oh dear you throw me off with that
damn humor uh can't take life too seriously edward i'm not i'm about to have some more weed as well
i'll tell you what let me just get my coffee then what what was i
saying there i i'll remember be back in about one minute okay you're talking about the uh the
something hole that was uh that was where you left off i want to thank uh everybody popping in hello
frack hello papa dracca dracca this never never heard of this guy but uh thanks for stopping in where you left off. I want to thank everybody popping in. Hello, Frack. Hello, Paba.
Dracatus. Never heard of this guy, but thanks for stopping in.
Appreciate you.
I like your oranges.
Not sure what that's about,
but you should join the Tang
Gang. They like oranges. Not
sure if you know who they are.
They're pretty cool. Gene Hoffman the other day
gave them a shout out on national TV. No big deal or anything, but yeah, you should you guys should check them out
I think you would I think you'd grove with them if you know what I'm saying
i love it when you call me big baba
i didn't remember i'm back though well it's okay it'll come back
Well, it's okay. It'll come back.
Welcome to Mr. Dracanis for sharing the show.
Thank you for that kindly, sir.
Good day, sir.
Hello, buddy. How are you?
Welcome. Hey, buddies.
Doing all right? How about you guys?
Doing well. Sipping some decaf talking to my buddy Edward now I got my other buddy dracatus up here on the stage
yeah listen for the kids are down it's quite here now so I thought I'd come up
for it well that's rare
rare it's quite a serious
job a good rest of your day it was a it was a messy day my schedule got yeah you
know thought the kids did this point was at 10 so I put the show off and then it
turned out it was a 12 I had some weird I still don't even know if there's something wrong, but...
What kind of show are we talking about here?
What's that?
How's it going, buddy?
It's too fade.
What's up, buddy?
So I was driving down the highway, and like, I don't know, like 40 car lengths behind me is this 18-wheeler,
and he starts flicking his high beams at me.
This was this morning on the way back from the dentist.
And I kind of like, you know, check my mirror a bit,
thinking, oh, maybe he went over a bump, you know,
and the lights just kind of look like he flicked.
But no, he was definitely flicking high beams at me.
So then I'm like watching him, throws the blinker on,
kind of like, you know, signaling I should pull over.
I'm thinking, oh, there must be something wrong with my car or something right so i pull over he drives on by gives me the
wave like like see you got the signal we kind of do the friendly like wave thing there's absolutely
nothing wrong with my car i have no idea i cannot i took it to my dad and everything i was like can
you just walk behind the car while i drive in and figure it out? Nothing. It was super
weird. Maybe he just doesn't like
Subarus, Jeff.
Maybe that's it. I don't know.
It was super weird.
It was really weird because I wasn't anywhere near
him.
So that screwed my schedule because I had to deal with that.
Then I had to deal with the different
dentist times. So I really got nothing done today.
Well, sometimes those days are needed.
Yeah, yeah.
You've been pushing hard.
How you doing, Tufay?
How you been, buddy?
I'm doing good.
How you doing?
I'm good.
Happy Thursday.
What are you saying?
What's that, boys?
Where the fuck are you in the world right now
Halifax
ah when you back
Lance Lance
oh I got friends in Lance
yeah it's like 30 minutes
from Halifax but yeah I know
where it is that's where Classified
grew up around eh well Almsdale
yeah near there yeah yeah
Mike Boyd Bubbles from from Trailer Park Boys.
Bubbles, yeah.
The whole Trailer Park Boys crew.
Only if you have, like, four kiddies.
Yeah.
No, I've got to go to work tomorrow.
Unfortunately.
Ah, yes.
Do you see the Dracula?
Do you see the Dracula, these dudes? Yeah, man. Nice. You'll have to come up. When Do you see the Dracula? Do you see the Dracula these dudes?
Yeah, man.
Nice.
You'll have to come up.
When are you in town next?
Up my way.
This weekend, hopefully.
I got to stop in Amherst,
see my buddy,
and then if I don't have drinks with him,
then go.
I only got one of three kids this weekend
if you're around stopping.
Yeah, I'll definitely
stop in there.
You know my routine.
Yep.
I like
the office drop-ins though, man.
I love office drop-ins.
Yeah, there's a couple drop-ins
before I come
see you. Dude, do you know how many drop-ins I get here in the run of a day?
Holy shit.
Between Fox and everybody else.
When you're trying to release and you have fucking 12 people stop at your house?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, I know.
That's the thing.
I feel bad.
I'm like, hey, you got to go back into the fucking nerd chamber.
I'm just going to install a light on the side
of his house that's like a blue light
which is like don't come in or like
red light is like clear to go in.
Do you realize how many times I've thought about putting
an on-air light over my office
door so the kids know don't open the door?
They're still going to open the door.
They're still going to stop them.
No, I took the handle off the door, remember?
So they couldn't open the door it's not gonna stop them no i took the handle off the door remember so they couldn't open the door yeah i still i still have concerns over that
uh as the coo but hey these pair of scissors open the door
no big deal you know the man the man with angina yeah really hey uh two fade you uh you got a boat you're
putting out this summer with the weather changing well i'm gonna buy one here in halifax
yeah okay where it's down around like the dingle well there's one for sale in colchester so
hey you guys want to know an interesting nerd fact about halifax if you're a ubuntu user one of
the default backgrounds for ubuntu is a photo of halifax right where i grew up like right where
i drove by every single day it's a stock ubuntu wallpaper. The Drak. I was out on
a boat today.
Yeah?
Yeah, I'm the captain.
They
designated me the captain
of the boat.
Who the fuck did...
Who designated you
the captain? Well, they know I sail, right?
So, like, I sail, right?
So, like, we're drawing workers, but we have to go out to the pier, like, what's out in the water.
I'm laughing at everyone, because last time I was out and saw Two Feet in his boats, he was explaining to me that he sunk one in the ocean.
So, that's why.
It was a little laser to him.
I said, where's your boat?
It goes out there somewhere.
I didn't say that.
No, you said, no, we got it back.
But the mast is still out there somewhere.
Yeah.
My stepdad, we went and looked at a boat.
There was a leak in it and we went and sailed it out. And it was only a two-man little laser.
But I had a little leak.
We had a tote bag.
We made her bag.
But the mask, like...
Those are the fun trips.
I remember when we went macro fishing once.
Me and my buddies in the motor diagram.
We were just out in this boat with the freaking oars out trying to paddle our way back.
But I actually got to go out on a boat today at work.
It was pretty dope dope i'm the captain
did i ever tell you about the time i was on acid and saved a boat david hasselhoff style
no at folly fest did i ever tell you you've been to folly fest save a horse ride a cowboy
dude it was folly fest years ago it was before i had kids and um are these the pink pant days these are the pink
hot pink pants days yeah yeah yeah this is when i i'd wear those hot pink pants and i i knew what
it was like to be harassed as like a woman it was it was gross it was it was bad anyway so we're at
the festival there's this area in the in this this small town of gauge town where the hippies just
that's where i get my basic training yeah yeah yeah exactly and basically the hippies overrun
the town for a week solid and there's this little watering hole it's a boat landing but all the
hippies go down there and run around nude and skinny dip and all that kind of thing so we're
all down there hanging out throwing frisbees and just having a good time and i'm a little cut i'm not gonna lie i i was partying and um i was pretty
cooked and this this guy came and dropped his million dollar boat in and we were all i was
being chatty kathy with them and just being a dork and uh he was telling us about how this was the
first the first time he
was dropping it in the water he's like i just bought it and we were all excited for him and
everyone's all ooon and on over this like million dollar beautiful boat and he drops it in into the
river and uh it's a really calm river but there's just like a slow current and so he's on it he gets
it all done and whatever and it starts to drift out and you can hear him trying to start the motor it's not going it's not going it's not going
and so he drifts down out of the out of view like around the tree line and everyone's just kind of
like okay well you know on to other things and so like i don't know an hour two hours later
just coming around that same tree line you start to notice the bow of this boat come around.
You're like, what the hell? This guy is sitting on the front bow of this huge boat, like barely able to reach the water or leaning over.
And he's trying to paddle this monstrous boat against the current.
the current and he's having the worst time he's obviously been at it for hours so me and my really
And he's having the worst time. He's obviously been at it for hours.
you know excitable state brad you've seen bop level 10 and 11 try bop level 15 right like i am
one with everything at this point and i have this moment where like i'm gonna go save this boat and
i jump up and i run where you're going i'm gonna
save this boat and i go and i run in the water and i swim out to the boat and i'm like throw me a rope
the guy's looking at me like are you crazy i'm like throw me the fucking rope so he throws me
this rope and sure enough i've got it on my shoulder and i'm like one arm trying to like
side swim in so it worked i had two other buddies came out and grabbed the rope we ended
up swimming this guy's fucking boat in all tweaked on acid when we get in and he's like
got down i'm holding on to this rope on the boat landing while he's kind of you know getting the
truck and i've i've offered to like here i'll hold i'll hold on to your giant, like, drifting boat for a moment. And when he comes down, at one point, I find it hilarious that this guy is letting the kid on acid hold this million dollar boat.
And I decided to tell him.
So you're too naked swimming on acid, or you're just...
What's that?
Said you're skinny dipping naked, but you're going to hold the boat.
I'm sitting, boat like the whole scene
try to picture that scene Devin
you know the watering hole I'm talking about
yeah cause I was there
I was there I picked up this chick there
anyway
for the rest of the festival I walked around telling everybody
it was my boat
I was parked on the side of the road
I was like it was my fucking boat
I saved it
god that festival and that boat. I saved it.
God, that festival. And that was where I met Sarah, too, because, like.
Yeah.
And, like, I was, like, Sarah was sleeping.
You met Sarah the day that my marriage ended.
At the same venue.
That's hilarious.
Yeah, that's how close Tufayde and fade and i are everyone just so you know
his last relationship started with my marriage ended at the same location
and my my uh yeah i met my girlfriend the same day
yeah yeah that was a funny night
oh lord
yeah
yeah it's fucking hilarious
that was a funny night though
when you think well like other than the shitty stuff
the rest of it was fun
there was a lot of crazy shit that happened
because I seen Cooper that night
from the west coast there's a whole oh that's that happened because I seen Cooper that night from the West Coast.
There's a whole.
That's right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And like I invested in the stuff with friggin Paul.
Yeah.
And that was when I was meeting everybody from like I basically went there to meet everybody from Jakadis.
The whole shit went down.
Amen. the whole shit went down hey man there's only there's only one left two i guess with even a three with brad but of that crew yeah i didn't bitch out like the rest of them so
that's why we're here
only the festival is ridiculous
The next morning though is burning man happening or what I don't know
RG3 had some things go down and I'm I don't know that his team is is going this year Which was who I was supposed to do the art install for?
do the art install for and brad and i had a project um with a client that was supposed to
And Brad and I had a project
use that venue as a release as well which has caused us to have to pivot on that one i can fill
you in on that later to fade but yeah i haven't i haven't i don't think you know about that one
anyway when you come over i'll fill you in on that one but it's an energy-based municipal. Yeah, because I was going to actually, like, yeah, I was about to call you.
Yeah, yeah, just swing by this weekend, man.
Yeah.
Yeah, we should get some paperwork out of the way anyway as well,
so you should come over this weekend.
I'll see if I can get it done by then.
Yeah, fuck it.
Did you go in and look at the drag stuff yet, Too Faced?
Yeah, I was checking some stuff out.
I have to go and start playing.
Yeah, well, come on over.
I'll show you it together so you can get a first-person walkthrough kind of thing.
I'll hold your hand, buddy.
I'll walk you right through it.
Yeah, because those latinas stole
my cell phone and my chia wallet was on there so i didn't make a new one devin's kryptonite latinas
oh man every time you might be able to trip you got a new latina
well i'm going to me. Again? The 12th.
Yeah, the 12th, to Puerto Vallarta.
Oh, Chris is down there now.
I have a trustworthy Latina that I already know.
That's what you said by the last one that robbed you.
The last time I fell asleep, like, before I met her and left the door unlocked,
and I was, like, like drug induced coma basically.
And she left me alone and didn't rob me.
And then I met her the next day.
I was supposed to take her to Mandela.
Every time you guys ask me like, Hey, you want to come down?
So I'm like, Nope, no, thanks.
Not with you guys.
I know where that's going.
Well, now I'm smarter and older
this this latina's different is what you're saying well no she's good so like it's there's obviously other ones i'm gonna go see but i'm still in contact with her so well i hope you
don't get robbed this time, buddy.
I didn't know.
She's good.
It was the ones in fucking Playa de Carmen that you should have shared all near Cancun.
Oh, Lord.
Mios, Dios.
Dios, Mios.
That's oh my god in Spanish.
I kept saying that, but I was saying it backwards.
I kept saying Dios, Dios, but it's
Dios, Dios.
Dios, Dios.
If anybody's Spanish in here,
correct me if I'm wrong.
No habla inglés.
I slept through Spanish 1 and 2 if that counts.
Well, I took Spanish for one day and they were teaching us songs.
So I was like, yeah.
We're from Canada where nobody speaks Spanish.
Not at all.
Let's go to like Vancouver.
You might meet somebody in an apartment building at the bus stop.
If you got a DUI or something, but that's good than that.
I don't know, but I've never put those words together in a sentence before with my name.
I don't know, but I've never put those words together in a sentence before with my name.
Vancouver Island.
Vancouver Island's amazing.
You're not an iron worker also, Jack.
Is there anybody else
Why don't you take over the room there
Alright there
It's okay I'm listening to you
To Canucks work it out
It's fun
I don't know what that's all about
The boot Sorry I shouldn't know what that's all about.
The boot?
Sorry, I shouldn't have brought it up.
I was making a Canadian. I did a thing today.
I forgot to tell you about it.
I forgot to tell you about it, but I did a thing today.
I applied to law school today.
I applied to the University of London in the UK for their online LLB.
Boy, you sound like you're from London.
I can't go to law school here without having to travel three hours a day in either one of two directions.
In Canada, you're not allowed to study law without attending a university, which is horseshit in today's world, in my opinion.
So I found out I can go to the University of London Law School online, three-year degree, and then come to Canada and convert it faster than i could get it done
here in canada that's crazy it's just so ridiculous and it's cheaper loophole it's cheaper i can go
i can study fully online from abroad be accredited there and just transfer it here
it's it's so stupid this country's so gay
anyway yeah i did that today so cross your fingers i don't know if i'll get accepted or not but
it's it's i figure it's gonna help us we'll save on some legal fees someday
uh yeah it's always good to know the law, too.
Yeah, yeah.
For sure.
Especially with your goal behind it.
Well, it's multi-goal.
I think in the end it works.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Yeah, yeah.
It works for you and I, and then it works for the other stuff, too.
Works to help other fathers going through the same
shit. Yeah, I ain't fucking around no more.
I'm gonna change shit.
They don't take you serious unless you got the stupid
letters, so I'll just go get the
fucking letters.
My wife doesn't think I look good in these fucking
overalls, but I think I look fine.
They're like jeggings, but you know what,
man? I feel like I...
Listen, I can get some fucking
choring done in these things.
They're not jeggings.
Jegging is like stretchy jean material.
They're actual jeans.
Yeah, see? She knows what she's talking about.
Listen,
I think they're the perfect life.
I was working in the field all day?
Why would I want fucking
No, I'm wearing overalls
Like, I've been choring all day
I've been in the fields
What up, honk?
You're like the one guy from Swamp People
Yeah, I've been fucking in the bayou
Got down in the bayou, shot me some gators
Toot em
I said toot em, monkey, tootators. I said, toot him, uncle. Toot him.
Fucking toot him.
Toot him, uncle.
Fucking caught me a gator.
This is a 12-footer.
Yo, I could get some shit done in these.
I'm telling you.
As long as you're comfortable, I say they're good.
I'm telling you, man. Lots of room comfortable, I say they're good. I'm telling you, man.
Lots of room for your nuts.
These are great, man.
Now I know why farmers be wearing these things since fucking the 1800s.
Let the straps down a little bit.
Oh, you got a little bit more room for your belly?
These are definitely fucking women's overalls, though.
They're so fucking ugly.
They fit perfectly, do they?
I don't know.
They don't fit me at all, dude.
They cup your vagina right now.
They're like, these sides are too fucking small.
I had to pull them down.
Food's got overall camel toe.
I kind of do, actually.
It's called camel tail.
Camel tail.
Anyways, I just wanted to come say what's up. He's from Canada, so it's a moose knuckle.
Yeah, we call it moose knuckle.
It's only moose knuckle when it gets to a certain size.
Well, you haven't been to Canada in a while.
Hey, yeah,
it has been too long.
Since your birthday.
Yeah, you son of a bitch.
This probably shocked
me there.
Anyways, Ed, were you part of the earthquake?
Were you there?
I thought you were in...
Edward was the earthquake? Were you there? I thought you were in London. Edward was the earthquake.
Yeah, it was pretty crazy.
It didn't hit Bangkok directly, but it was, yeah.
It shook the whole place up for sure.
I'm glad to hear you're safe.
I had no idea you were even in that part of the world.
For some reason, I thought you were in London.
Maybe you were just traveling at one point. I had no idea you were even in that part of the world. For some reason, I thought you were in London. Maybe you were just traveling
at one point.
It's not your accent.
It's interesting you didn't know I was in Bangkok.
I suppose that's good.
I'm sure I knew. I don't know.
I don't pay enough attention to anybody
Don't worry
Hey foods did you catch the Permudo Capital thing today?
Yeah I turned that shit off
Okay I didn't even go
I was just hoping to get a TLDR
TLDR?
I don't give a shit
Come on Drek we're on the same page here man
See I obviously
didn't even want to put the work into it.
I was like, ah, it's probably more boring stock shit.
What am I going to do?
Put it on the blockchain. Let me see these
Apple shares. Fuck, we'll figure it out.
Don't worry. I don't need you.
Bram on the COC space called it boring the other day.
It is boring.
It's fucking like...
How is this going to help anyone?
Listen.
When are we going to start our own
chia chain?
Let's start our own chia chain with blackjack and
hookers, okay?
This is what we really need.
You want the people, you need blackjack, and you need
hookers. We'll get only tangs going.
Listen,
what the fuck
is going to happen? Chia's going to inject a bunch of us dollars into this shit.
And then what's going to happen?
The price just gets heavy and doesn't move anywhere.
Yeah.
It just gets thicker.
That's it.
They're going to fill the pool up with XCH and us dollars.
So it never goes higher than fucking $20.
Like what's the, what's the end game here?
I don't know.
Listen, I am not necessarily? I don't know. Listen,
I am not
necessarily, like, I'm against Gene
when he says that, like, oh, Chia price
don't matter. We can blah, blah, blah.
Utility.
Well, it does matter
to me, so I don't know
why he says that, but I also disagree
with him when he's,
you know, like, token uh he's you know like
tokenomics matter you know like he she doesn't have the strongest tokenomics right now so
i was saying this how do you fix it with good tokenomics that's the only way to fix the chia
price you pair it with fucking good assets you have people or you have people buy it in droves
that's the only way, right?
Like, and even then, like, you're going to need entries and exits and this is, and that's,
it's, and you can't buy a million dollars worth of fucking geo. You know what I mean? Like,
so how is it going to, how's anybody going to do it? How's Microsoft going to do it? Just
buy it from CNI. how the fuck does that make me
on chain dark pools what
no i just mean like like say like what what's gonna happen but microsoft's gonna come in and
buy a million dollars worth of chia where on? On crypto.com? Yeah, fat chance.
What are they going to do?
Best comes to best.
They buy it from CNI.
And I still don't make any fucking money.
So, like, what the fuck?
Yeah.
You know what would make me really fucking bullish on Chia?
I don't know. Seeing like a million dollars in a bitcoin pair a million dollars in an eth
pair and a million dollars in a usdc pair or something simple like that's just talking about
a million dollars and one decentralized aspect of this blockchain because we can talk about centralized all day guys that's not what i'm here for
uh yeah i know i brad and i were saying it the other day i'm kind of bored with crypto right now
i'm way more interested right now yeah yeah dude i'm like i'm on the meme competitions right now
and yeah like fucking around with ai artwork because I'm trying to finish a collection.
Yeah.
So, I mean...
We're so sick right now.
We don't have time to care about...
Gene should have pumped...
If Gene pumped my bags two years ago.
Let's be honest here.
Hey, Jack.
I want to get that
collection that I was talking about with the doll.
Yeah.
With your gay dolls?
He's making two of them.
Your pedo gay dolls?
They're not pedo gay dolls.
Fuck you.
I don't know.
A grown man keeps talking about doll NFTsTs And they sound like pedo rape dolls
No it's not a fucking
Man they're medicine dolls
And it's for a foundation
Asshole
Alright I'll help you and your little
Pedo foundation
I'm not
Fucking fuck you
No it's cool dude just when you come over
Yeah she'd be really offended When you come over stop being a little pussy Jesus it's cool, dude. Just when you come over on the weekend. Yeah, you'd be really offended.
When you come over. Stop being a little pussy.
Jesus, it's a joke.
Come over this weekend and we'll talk about it.
We've got to sort it out.
I will, okay.
Oh my god, you guys are in person?
That's crazy.
What's that?
Oh my god, you know somebody online in person?
That's crazy, dude.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Two Fade and I are homies.
He lives just around the way.
Dude, I could never get one of my homies around here to do this.
They'd be like, are you fucking insane?
Are you investing in crypto?
Two feet and I have nothing better to do.
I'll post up, like, if I can find the photos
I'll show some of the medicine
dolls. I'll have to send it to you though, Jack
because I can never fucking work
how to post up
on the wall or whatever it's called.
You mean your Twitter feed?
Yeah.
You don't know how to post on your Twitter
feed? No, I can post it on my twitter
feed but up on here up on the chat oh just when you go to the the share button the at the bottom
right of any post up at the very top of the little screen that comes up you'll notice the room name
it should be like chia 4.4 point. April. And then you just click that
and it'll stick it up there.
I'll just send it to you because
I'll go look for the photo.
I'll send it to you when you find it.
Sounds good, buddy.
You've heard of the Bilderberg group,
but have you heard of the Bilderberg group?
The Bilderberg?
Is this meme competition guild? It's the Bilderberg group. The Gildeberg? Is this meme competition
guild?
It's the Gildeberg group, man.
Taking it over.
Taking over the space.
Gotta watch out for these guys, man.
I know. Watch out.
Watch out, my fellow Chiluminatis.
More secret societies.
The fucking logo.
Yeah, this is our little meme competition
group. We're just having fun with it.
We're LARPing a bit.
So now it's the meme world championships bucket and hosted by the gilderberg
group and then we've acquired uh good morning space hosted by t-money as per
ESPN ATH you need to get one of those like really fast taglines at the end
that you say really fast like it's a warning or whatever yeah you gotta have the fine print
actually man dude oh the only time that it's acceptable to put a lot of text on a meme as if it's fine print.
Dude,
nobody's used that in the meme competition yet, man,
but that's a fucking, there's a dirty little trick for you.
I guarantee
you that's worth a point. I'll fucking give you
a point if you put the fine print down and you make it real
funny. I don't have a team.
You have to work for it. I don't have a team.
Dude, you should just become
an owner of a team and just
fucking throw your money around and just be like this is the team tang talk and this is these are
the goats and then what you got to do is like because like some of the good players are already
on other teams you just gotta try to trade for them or whatever like you know just go off her
fucking capped off day like a ridiculous like dude he was gonna fucking play for like two drax or whatever man you could have had him cheap i know man i don't know you man we were offering contracts
for motherfuckers where people were like 10 sticks for one year and then option for the second year
if we win and shit like it was great that's hilarious that's awesome oh dude it's like it's dude we're making so that's where the free agent thing that i brought this year was
we're making it like baseball track we're having our own little fucking meme oh man i want to get
in on that i just feel like i'm gonna miss it some days just because it always that's why you
get in on a team because then your team can play for you and you don't have to show up all the time
you only got to show up when you want to show up. Give me a cool team with cool people.
I need a team.
Actually, maybe.
Hold on.
Let me see who's got space.
I mean, I got fucking Photoshop and whatever skills.
I can rip through shit pretty quick.
But.
I definitely would join in
I just worry about schedule
Actually it's pretty crazy
All the teams are full
I didn't even realize this
Oh my god
It's getting good guys
It's getting good
I think I was supposed to send Danny some donations
I asked him for the wallet
But I didn't get it
So let me know where I'm supposed to.
He was supposed to post it publicly, but I don't think he ever did.
Oh, okay.
I don't see it.
That's Danny.
That's not me.
He's the commissioner.
I'm just the...
Hey, did you see that post I reposted today about the Sui Network?
The wallet-to-wallet chain-to-chain.
Did you see that?
Yeah, like I haven't seen that before
they're only two years late
fucking they call me a visionary i don't know why i have no idea why man
you'll figure people will figure it out one day.
Yeah, I was in... Dude, I was fucking...
Me and Black John were arguing today.
Dude, I go in the FUD space every once in a while
just to stay sharp.
Just to stay sharp.
Yeah.
Every once in a while, I gotta go in there and make sure to lay down the law
Yeah
Just make sure you still got it
Dude they were sitting there arguing over the fucking thing
And I was like dude I just made 4x
On a 200 spot trade while you guys all wrote that bullshit
Correct
You guys are gonna explain to me
How this works.
I'll show you.
Oh, God.
Anyways, I love fucking Chia, man.
There's just like the contrast of people is great.
Yeah, it's pretty wild.
Yeah, dude.
There's like two complete ends of the spectrum.
You got like the hardcore finance bros,
and then you got like the hardcore tech bros,
and then you got me.
You got the honk.
You got fucking gooses.
Yeah, I'm outperforming.
I feel like all these other motherfuckers.
I'm handing out free pee pee.
Are we going to make this a goofball machine?
Dude, that's been sitting in the back burner for a year i really
need to can i can i talk about an idea that i had with it or do you want me to yeah go ahead man yeah
i don't yeah so i mean i'm not gonna build it so when i was messing around with ace fails dynamic
shit again i'm just kind of like there's a bunch of creative areas I haven't explored yet, but one of them, this is when I texted him, I figured out the gooseball.
With AI being so fucking fun to play with, and just the nature of the way everything, you could make a gumball machine that all kinds of collections could choose to participate in or anybody could donate to a wallet and you
could just have the gumball machine always scanning that wallet so if it ran out you'd have to fill it
back up but all it would do i guess yeah you could do you could do all your transfers and your offers
and everything but if you wanted to say do like a derivative gumball machine you could just point it to any collection you want
or any number of collections just use ace fails dynamic mint and ai to replicate or copy or alter
and just have it spit out an nfc like we could animate the whole fucking thing it would be really
cool so you can either do your own collection or you could just you remember how like tcg just used
everybody's collection as a means to to do their stuff yep you could just do your own collection or you could just, you remember how like TCG just used everybody's collection as a means to,
to do their stuff.
You could just do the same thing.
And so the,
the gooseball machine could take anybody's collection and turn,
say their most rare one into some goose version.
And it just spits out this AI rendition of it or whatever.
It's,
it's not hard now.
Ace fail shit makes being creative about minting way easier so when you're ready to do something we can pretty just think of it this way you can
predetermine what you want to mint so you don't have to at all know what anymore you know with
that way because you can just construct it based off of whatever.
So, and then just spit it out.
So, click a button, and it essentially spits it out.
I'm just going to, like, try to AI a fucking gumball machine now.
Like, what, do you need a front end for this?
Do you know what?
Listen, well, I figured this out because it ignores in the room.
Okay, cool.
So, what?
Jack, Jack, post up those photos, though, that i sent you up i will yeah signal um so in drac i got totally sidetracked
while i was doing other shit and ignore posted just this picture of gene with with like a top
hat on or fedora or whatever in a mirror. And it just gave me this instant just thought of like,
oh fuck, I don't have a magic mirror in Drac.
So dude, I have this,
I have this mirror in Drac in like,
not even content, it's almost there.
It's almost perfect.
So basically you click a button,
this mirror comes up,
it turns on your camera
and you can put like ears and fucking shit on your head
and then click click it and because
of ace fails thing i can just send it off to ai and then have it mint it and send it back as an
offer and so you can put yourself in the game as a character so it'll return you in the style of
drag it's like a fucking you can like we could make it so that you could be some sort of particular character. So we could literally have a goose selection or whatever.
But anyway, the point of this is Ace Vale shit lets you do, if you think outside the box, there's a ton of shit we can do.
Because it's so dynamic.
You can do everything on the fly.
Yeah.
Wait till you see.
We should just throw this together, man.
Dude, I have like 3,000 sticks
that we could just fucking throw in this fucking
Gumball machine. Sure, man. Like, it really doesn't matter
how you want to do it. It could be a mixture,
it could be a particular collection, it could be through
some creative fucking
visual thing, or it could be just a
simple, you know,
bada boom, bada bang.
Oh, fuck. Oh my god, dude. There's so much going on right now that's why i've been kind of aloof what day is it today the third
maybe you know maybe we'll talk more about i mean we you, though, you could have this up tomorrow.
I'll just start building.
Your time is more valuable than mine.
When do you got some time?
Maybe this week?
Just keep turning it around in your head
and think it through.
I'll build what I see in my head
and then we'll convene in a week or so.
We're going to be
together there for
Chia Toronto. Maybe we'll see what we can so. Yeah, well, we're going to be together there for Chia Toronto.
Maybe we'll see what we can do.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Man, that's coming up soon.
Dude, it's less than...
Yeah, I can get my tickets this week.
Yeah, me too.
Two fade.
We gotta get tickets.
You guys still haven't got tickets yet?
Actually, I don't think you need one.
You don't need one, Jack.
You're on the list already.
No, plane ticket.
I need a ticket for the plane. Plane ticket. Oh, yeah, plane.'t think you need one. You don't need one, Drac. You're on the list already. No, plane ticket.
Plane ticket.
Oh, yeah, plane.
Yeah, you guys might need those.
I was like, you guys don't need tickets to get in.
Yeah, I'm not worried about that.
I'm worried about getting there.
Do you guys need me to do anything?
Like, I'm just kind of fucking tagging along.
Dude, we're still, I'm still kind of thinking.
We need to get together with Slow's Time Lord and figure out how we're going to work out this PA.
Oh, okay.
I don't want to make art drive
across Canada with fucking
shit. That's a no-go.
If there's a guitar center near there,
they have actually pretty decent prices for
rental.
Look up Long and McQuarrie. They got a whole rental because i can bring a little mixer board with that
i can run from my computer and in mics and stuff and then we just get the speakers there yeah well
they definitely have speakers and stuff there sure that won't be a problem i just i haven't been to
the venue only stl has so i don't know what they have i didn't know yeah because i would
bring i would bring hardware um mics and stuff that'd be fine i would lean on brad if it wasn't
for brad the entire poll store last year wouldn't have happened i was hoping they had everything
there it would have been pretty recent like they do movie nights and shit at this place so like
they're set up foods get me their contact and i'll reach out and tell them that I'm going to be
running audio and I'll see what they have.
Yeah.
Like STL.
You're in the chat,
aren't you?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We'll get in.
We'll get into that chat one day.
I would like to get together and just finalize like the ends.
Maybe we can do it.
Yeah.
Just so it would literally be like an hour call.
I don't think it would take much longer.
The things you can do in an hour
in a call.
I mean, they always run long.
Yep.
We got fucking Tang
Gang Con
in how many days? 17 days?
Yeah, we got two.
We got two events coming up this month.
So yeah, that's coming together too.
Actually, I gotta get together with Bullish
for that. Just what I mean. I'm so fucking busy
right now. It's actually pretty crazy.
And then I gotta drive my father-in-law home on Monday
so I'm missing the Me world series or world championships.
Too much shit.
Time is on Sunday.
The mean world championships.
They're Mondays.
Two Eastern to Tennessee. Yeah. championships? They're Mondays at 2 Eastern.
2 10 Eastern.
Yo, it's legit now though.
We got a whole website that posts leaderboards and shit.
We're taking it to the... Oh man, I heard about the app
and everything. It's going to be so dope.
Yeah, Thickey's just doing it because he needs
something to do. He needs some practice with
his coding and shit.
He's throwing together um it looks
pretty dude he's got it really thought out actually he's done a lot of the i guess pre
planning for it um but yeah so eventually you're gonna be able to sign up guilds you're gonna be
able to battle guilds then there's gonna be like the meme world championships. And then it's going to be like a man,
like,
you know how there's like those baseball managers track for like,
yep.
Your bench app for your leagues and shit.
So it's basically going to be one of those,
but for meme competitions.
So we're going to like set a standard rule base,
you know,
have the scoring people will be able to set up their own leagues and host
their own events.
So you can, are you going gonna do like self-submission
of scores and points and stuff or you're gonna have yeah well you can have your own you can set
up your own judges like if you do your own leagues you can have your own judges you can have your own
like we'll have a couple different variations of like how you can score like maybe community vote
yeah right yeah um so it's going to be like a central hub
where you can have guilds
and you can battle other teams
and then there'll be the Meme World Championships.
Dude, that lasts for like six months a year.
We do it once a week for 16 weeks plus the finals.
So it's a long, long season.
And now there's teams.
It's fun, dude.
It's actually like you want to get in a team, you want to just show up.
There's still time to register a team if you guys want to throw in another Chia team.
I know, like, I tried to get Tom and those guys to join, but I think it might not be a good time for them.
I don't know.
Like, 2 o'clock in the afternoon is usually pretty good for Europe.
That's what we're aiming for.
We're trying to get Europe this time.
So, I think after the break, it's going to be at, like, probably, like, 8 or something.
8 Eastern.
9 near time.
Maybe a little bit later in the evening.
But, yeah, it's fun, dude.
And it's all for fun. Like, none of it really matters. If you win or lose, it's like dude and it's all for fun like none of it really matters if you win or lose who gives a shit you're making memes like i'm fucking judging do i really i don't know anything
prizes we win prizes so we make good memes i think we're pretty fair
i like the 5-3-1 scoring i can do whatever i can pick whatever memes i want I think we're pretty fair.
I like the 5-3-1 scoring.
I can pick whatever memes I want.
That's great.
Yeah, Gumball Machine. That would be the perfect project to finish this year.
Because I've been sitting on that one for a while.
I've been talking about that forever.
I'll mock it up and send you something.
Yeah, no, dude.
What you just said there
where it's like, yeah, you can just have an address with a wallet
that it tracks and everybody can send
their shit to it. That's exactly what I had in mind.
Just like a faucet for NFTs.
Yeah, exactly.
But with some RNG to it too, though,
I don't know.
Maybe sometimes you don't get
fucking a good NFT.
Maybe you just get a stick
or some bullshit derivative
that like, you know?
The RNG is the most important thing.
Is it provably random or
how are we going to work this?
That gives a shit.
It's only got to be kind of random.
Jesus.
It's fucking crypto.
We make the rules.
Provably random.
Fucking whatever.
It's only got to be kind of random.
I got a Time Lord here.
Can I use that in any way, maybe?
I don't.
What, you got an actual Time Lord?
I have three of them.
Like a Tia friend time lord?
No, no, like three VDFs.
Three VDFs.
Actually, dude, yeah.
You should be able to do a fucking
verifiable delay
VDF random
number generator bullshit.
I don't know. You'd have to ask Bram that, probably.
Dude, isn't that like the whole
basis for an oracle? I don't know. You'd have to ask Bram that, probably. Isn't that like the whole basis for an Oracle?
I don't know. I just got three of them.
They're like, anybody want them? Brad and I were like, we'll take
three. Sure.
I don't know.
It was either one or three.
Just run them and fucking run
a farm.
I'm pretty sure Gene's
thumbprint on the top of the case.
Yeah, he joked about
having a thumbprint on there.
Probably sell them for fucking a pretty good
mint. I bet you somebody
would buy them off you for a pretty good deal.
You have to give them
30 day notice before
selling them.
Yeah. What?
Yeah, you can't just sell them. There's a contract?
Yeah. There's clause. There sell them together There's a contract?
There's an application and then a contract You can sell them to whoever you want in a sense
Or try to, but they want to know who has it first
Really?
Really?
Really?
Really?
Really?
I love this Really? Yeah. Hmm.
I love this.
That's probably why they didn't give me one.
Because I wasn't built for rules.
All right.
I'm going to bed, guys.
Tonight, buddy.
I'll see you in the morning.
Plausible deniability.
Plausible deniability. Yes, I got him out of his combo.
This is my exit. I actually got to take off to you guys
I just came to say hi
we'll see you guys tomorrow
plausible deniability
I don't know what you're talking about
plausibly
allegedly
allegedly allegedly
allegedly
sorry to leave you guys hanging though
but I'm talking about it
can you tell us about the meme world championships
just quickly before you go
oh okay yeah the meme world championships
is this thing that Danny
Popatang came up with
it's a 16 week
event where people show up every Monday. Right now it's at
1 Central, 2 Eastern. It's basically three rounds. It's an individual competition, so you can come
and show up as an individual. It's three rounds. The winner of each Monday moves on to the finals.
um the winner of each monday moves on to the finals there's prizes that you get for memes
basically um the way that it works is there's three judges um you get five points for first
uh three points for second and one place for third and each judge gets to hand out those rewards. So there's like 15 and 9, 24.
So there's 27 points each
round. There's three
rounds.
The people, the three highest
scores for each Monday,
they play in the
finals. And then, like I said, they make it
to do this elaborate,
a very elaborate game
you basically show up
you get like 9 minutes with a template
to make a meme
you submit your meme
and the judges just score your meme
it's pretty cool you gotta show up one week
it's uh
I think it's a little bit off time for you
maybe the 9pm.m. Canadian, is that?
No, well, right now it's 2 Eastern Canadian, yeah.
So I don't even know what that would be, UTC.
It's basically 2 p.m. in the afternoon, New York.
Ah, yeah, I see what you're saying. Yeah're saying yeah be middle of the night tempted though it's a yeah the better time for you would be when we hosted it in the evening
that would be for the second half of the season it's uh
it would be in the morning for you nice it sounds fun it is another visionary idea from the foods no no no this one said granddaddy
sorry you just said this one is this one is danny's idea he's the one that came up with this
yeah apparently they've been doing this in um some other spaces for a long time but i was just the
guy that came in and started putting points to everything i was just like let's throw fucking
scores to it so or like you you know, I started keeping tracks
and now there's like a leaderboard that you can look at here.
I can post to the nest. Hold on a second.
Mic check, mic check.
Can you hear me? Oh, there you go.
Nas will, while I take off there,
Nas can probably explain it. He's one of the
team
last minute boys.
He's on one of the teams.
Hence why I came up last minute, yeah.
It was six o'clock in the evening for us in the UK.
Which is 1 o'clock EST.
Here it is.
1 p.m.
Yeah.
There you go.
But yeah, we'll have, like, a whole website and everything eventually.
We're building an entire, like, league around it.
Dude, my whole idea for the guilds is that people actually brand them
and, like, make it like esports.
Because I was watching, I don't know if you guys ever seen,
like, Excel esports, like spreadsheets.
I don't know.
It gets pretty serious out there in the esports world.
But yeah, think of it like memes.
Memes, the esports version.
This is what we're kind of...
That's how I'm kind of folding it.
I'm taking the standard sports format and we're applying it to memes.
Really simple.
It's like cookie cutter, you know?
Teams and professionals.
Dude, I like to say that the Lot Lizards,
which is Chia's current team,
is sponsored by Solomon's Lot.
So they're a corporate-sponsored team.
You know, they're all getting paid, I hope,
to make memes there.
You know, even if they score zero points,
they're still all making friggin', you know,
10,000 a year.
Are you telling me I rugged myself by refusing?
Oh, no, man.
Maybe they're all getting dacks for playing on that team.
I have no idea what people are getting out here these days for contracts.
These free agents, man.
Yeah, man, that free agent frenzy was crazy at the beginning, dude.
There was people just fucking wheeling and dealing out there.
There was people just fucking wheeling and dealing out there.
I wish the Chia people would throw together another team, man.
Chia should have at least two teams.
I'd get, like, Parody Master, Tom.
I mean, Pennywise.
Chia Pizza.
You guys could all throw together a team, man.
So you can, and you guys can always register teams.
We're going to actually,
so for the first three weeks,
you're going to get put into one division.
Then if you register after the first three weeks,
we're going to put you in another division. But you can register a team whenever you want, if you ever going to get put into one division then if you register after the first three weeks we're going to put you in another division but you can register a team whenever you want if you ever
want to register a team they're mondays um 1 p.m central 2 p.m eastern and i don't know what nas
said for time
But whatever time Nas said
Just add 5
And that's UK time
Okay
Oh so it'd be 7 in the evening
So it'd be like perfectly in the evening for you guys
Yeah unfortunately for Asia
It's not that great though
What are you guys Yeah, unfortunately for Asia, it's not that great, though.
What are you guys?
Plus 24 or minus 24?
Whatever.
Minus 12.
It's like 10 a.m. here now.
Oh, yeah, you're minus 12 then.
Or 13.
Sorry, you're plus. You're ahead of sorry, you're plus.
You're ahead of me, you're plus.
It's already the fifth there, holy shit.
Anyways, fourth right now.
Oh, is it?
I hope so. If it's not, I'm in trouble.
Wait, are you behind me?
I don't know what time you are, Ed, man.
You're on some fucking foreign planet.
I even have time where you are.
What time is it for you, Foods, right now?
It's 11 p.m.
Right.
On the 3rd.
Or the 4th.
On the 4th, yeah.
No, it's the 3rd here.
Oh, shit. Fuck.
I don't even know what day it is.
I thought it was the 4th already.
Fuck. Never mind.
Don't listen to me. I don't know what's going on.
It's 11 o'clock for you. It's four o'clock in the morning for me in the it's whatever day danny tells me to fucking show up that's what day is
but yeah don't be afraid to come pop in if you get a if you get frisky and you're up late at night
um we'd love to have you, Ed. It's a great time.
What did we do?
How many memes did we make last week?
Almost 120 memes last week.
Out of one space.
It's not bad.
Not bad for a couple hours.
Yeah.
All people saw was just Fucking toilets
On the timeline
Dude I don't know where Danny finds these
Fucking templates bro but like
You never know what that
Fucking monkey's gonna post bro
Like he's just all over the place
One week it's a fucking
Hitler Elon Musk meme
And the next week it's a fucking Hitler, Elon Musk meme, and the next week it's a fucking
melted toilet.
And fat chicks.
What do you do?
Oh, and the
All-Star game's gonna be sick this year. The All-Star
game is gonna be Team USA versus Team
the World. So it's gonna be
real fucking grimy.
I think the world's gonna take real fucking grimy. I think
the world's gonna take it, but Danny
does, not so sure.
I think he
forgets that Cap and all those bros
are world, I'm pretty sure.
So, he doesn't have his
big guns this year.
We're gonna take it. Team World's going to take
the All-Star game. I don't know, man.
Anyways, guys, it's 11 o'clock.
I'm going to take off. Thanks for
having me up, as always, Ed.
We'll talk to you later.
Cheers, food. See you in a bit.
Interesting night of conversation tonight, Edward.
Nice to hear you from you, Naz.
Hope you're doing well, brother.
I'm good, I'm good, yeah.
I'm ready for my bed soon.
Way past my bedtime.
Yeah, I'm not going to call it a late night either uh i probably have a half hour so because i'd like to get to bed at a decent hour um but edward i'd love to hear about
um chia music and music village and everything going on yeah appreciate it my man and yeah if
anyone else wants to come up then we'll we'll set a 30 minute
countdown and if someone wants to come up please do uh yeah well i think this was
probably this was maybe the biggest week of so far basically just to put all the cards on the table
is i've i've slightly had the rug pulled on me, let's say, using a crypto phrase with
what I was promised by Wes, but he has helped me a lot. But the timeline changed. So this week was
like the realization that I was working for a year, basically. I've been working full time on
it pretty much. My business plan was ready last July. And I've been working full-time on it pretty much.
My business plan was ready last July.
And I've just been...
The reason I keep...
When you keep asking me, what's the news?
I keep saying coming soon is because it keeps getting put behind different deadlines later.
And the final straw was the deadline for the investors meeting, which I was ready for in July last year,
including the video was ready in august last year about a week before the february investors
conference it was oh we're not going to go for funding for music village this time but later
and then in the last week it was revealed only after the other company has launched
and it's making money so the the Music Village through the Authenticity Institute with Wes
has really helped me get a business plan,
but I've kind of come to the conclusion I've got to just go independent.
I can't have any more people slowing me down.
I'm going to have to do a fundraiser, fucking prostitute my body,
sell a liver or kidney or whatever I've got to of.
I'm getting pissed off waiting now.
I was ready a year ago.
I'm being slowed down.
I've been helped a lot, but it's just frustrating.
I've got a perfect vision for what needs to replace Twitter.
And it's simple.
It's a simple concept, but it just needs a small amount of funding.
I only asked for
sixteen thousand dollars to do it and he said it's not enough you have to raise it so i raised
it and now it's well you have to wait for months more to even get funding so i'm i'm just sort of
i mean i've made the transition i'm just gonna go for it whatever happens now like if it's the
biggest controversy i'll stare into it if it's the biggest controversy, I'll stare into it.
If it's I have to become a professional baseball player to hit something at the pot, I'll do it.
But I think I'm still going to keep working with Wes to help him.
But I've seen a red flag there, and I don't want to get slowed down anymore.
So that's it.
I'm going to do Music World and world place instead and do a
fundraiser for it and that's really the major update happy to answer any more questions or
get ideas and stuff like that but that's really the big news this week well uh i'm happy you're
standing up for yourself and putting it on your own shoulders. I feel like in a sense, I've been in the same place, you know,
just waiting for the industry and waiting for, for like stuff to catch up in
order for like you to put the next pieces together,
which you see so clearly a future like I do.
So I'm glad you're doing that for, for yourself.
for yourself.
With what I've, I've been building in the last month or so.
With what I've been building in the last month or so,
my plan is for it to be able to be,
like, to help somebody like you
who doesn't have coding experience.
I've been utilizing Cursor,
and it's fantastic,
especially for, I have zero coding experience,
but with what I've built,
it's been able to build the base code for Cursor
and, like, translate in the sense of that over to Xcode.
So I think you have the intelligence, you have the vernacular,
and you have the vision that you can build it yourself
with the tools that are available to you readily right through your computer.
to you readily through right through your computer well uh well there's a lot that i wouldn't be able
to do it myself with the tools through my computer because i just won't know how to do it so i keep
coming to this point year after year is i need a small amount of funding to pay a developer to do it and that is what i can't quite make happen i've sailed through the cheer grants program
unsuccessfully and working with wes for a year just to get to the point where the developer can
release it and i was ready to launch it this month it's all ready it just needs to but i personally can't do it and i can't get the funds to pay
someone to do it so but i'm gonna have to just find a way to innovate making the money whatever
it takes i'm gonna do it but uh for me it's i don't know it's revealing like what chance does
someone else have like if you're a i don't know a homeless person
somewhere on the outskirts of a city somewhere and you're like i've got a good idea in tech
like well you just have to pay your dues and go for funding and you know someone else it's like
it's a lot harder than that it's it's and by the way wes has done nothing wrong at all he's been
really nice and supportive it is what it is he's trying to help me, but doesn't realize that I'm ready to go.
Like timing is everything and all that.
So I don't want to wait six months more.
I've been ready for a year, actually for years now,
see the previous cheer grants program.
But yeah, I appreciate what you said.
Any advice on and ideas and
anything i i would really appreciate it because you're ahead of the curve so uh well i've already
worked out some stuff for you um ideas modules things like that um Like I said, with what I'm building, I will do whatever I can.
Like I said, I think that we'll be able to piece it together and take a lot of that work off of
the dev and just work on the UI, UX, and some of the more complicated things maybe for funding
wise. But I think that, again, you have the talent and you have the vision of what
you want it to be. So with the tools that are at hand, just you being able to describe it,
you can then build templates and then build code snippets and then have samples and modules
to be able to feed into cursor and it can kind of fix the things in between.
So I think, I think there's possibility and we'll definitely continue to chat about this and we'll have some calls and put something together.
Yeah, well, I really appreciate that. Yeah, definitely appreciate it.
I wouldn't know how to set up all the nodules and the modes that you just mentioned.
I'd have no clue what to do.
It's, I mean, if it's easier than I think it is, then maybe I'm just thinking.
It is.
Okay, that's fine.
That's how crazy cursor is.
Again, if you're utilizing the proper setup at first and planning it out with like another model um and then architecting
it properly but again i can help you with all that oh wow awesome yeah thank you this this should
this there's just basically there's a perfect wave here that's you know i've been saying
via spoken audio and there's a new written word and all that there's a real threat that twitter gets yanked and pulled
down or spaces because they're already censoring certain things in spaces certain people that can't
speak and then the audio is gross maybe it's not designed that way but there really should be a plan
b anyway even if it's just your worst enemy doing it just so that there's a plan b to twitter
but preferably it'll be done with the right intention and that's what i'm trying to build and it's to me it's a guaranteed
home run this idea cannot fail just as long as the idea works and i see no reason to think it
won't work there's no like goal or there's no invisible thing only the funding really so uh well if we can create it on so so
again as you might know is we're right now dracatus is the the focus to get out but once we go back to
tang talk our next kind of points of interest is to really dial in the calling ability, um, as well as the DMS and,
um, video calling. So that again, the web RTC, uh, you know, backbone of that being serverless
has been the tough part, but again, I think I've had a lot of breakthroughs in the last month with
what I've been working on for that. But essentially,
if we can get spaces, which is tough, like Twitter and Twitter spaces, like the whole
how it works is very tough, especially with a serverless architecture. But the framework of it
will basically be what you're looking to do with your project. So I don't see it being like that far modularly off
from what we have to build already is what I'm saying.
So this would be, again, a free space where anybody could come up
and start a space and speak and there'd be no censorship
because it's, again, serverless and peer-to-peer.
So there is no way of taking it down.
Yeah, that's the goal really is to make it uncensorable.
So if the bad guys yank the plug on Twitter, which they will do,
at some point they'll press the turn the internet off button.
Well, at least there'll be another platform you could go and talk live.
Well, Park, that's my goal.
But sort of basically just to put it out there is the i sort of heard
the inkling that wes could censor it in the future and he's got a right to because he would
own it but i don't really want to work on a platform that can be censored just like you said
uncensorable so doing it independently for me is a great, not advantage, like that's one of the core principles.
I don't want it to be censored.
And I get the feeling that if I keep hanging on and doing it like that way, it's going to end up being as well.
So I don't want a camel here.
I want like a horse, you know, world world park I've got influencer deals lined up
with people with hundreds of thousands of followers it's fucking so frustrating
the marketing of a project is what's hard that's really the hard why the
tangoing is so good because they get the marketing but I've got what exactly is
it like you're trying to build because I I'm sorry, I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to your project.
Yeah, I'm trying to build a WebRTC-powered world
to be like the center of spoken voice in the world
to basically take on Twitter spaces head-to-head.
To give a little bit of extra background, if sounds like well that's a bit of a weird
like idea or something well and if you see on my facebook not facebook twitter page it says
world's first microblogger i really think that i kind of came up with that years before twitter
it's all archived online so i think the inventor of microblogging coming back to take on Twitter is an amazing story.
And I've got influencers ready.
It's just no money to launch it, I guess.
Sorry, I went off a bit there, Naz.
I forgot what you said.
I don't know.
I was just asking what the general TLDR was
of what you're trying to build
so it's not music related
in any way is what I'm trying to ask
there's Music Village and World Park
World Park is the one to take on Twitter
or it would be renamed
if I don't do it over there
but Music Village would be an extension of it,
but there would be audio pay-per-view there.
That's where so private gated events could take place.
But World Park is meant to be a public spoken metaverse
in the same way that spaces, you know,
say if someone's hosting a space cookies myself
you know drac during the space you're in the space it's like a live event but when the space ends
it's over but i want to create a world that's constantly ongoing like those conversations
never end essentially and that's the premise of it
it's been kind of it's been in my mind for years at this point but because I
was sort of visualizing spoken media in 2020 and 2019 so even before spaces I
was visualizing it that's what's
frustrating it's like i'm way out of the curve i know this will be good for the ecosystem i'm not
doing it to make money i just and it's like no matter how hard you push there's some force in
the world that's just like no no so i don't know what it is is it conspiracy or is it just
i'm just don't shout loudly enough i don't know i it is is it conspiracy or is it just I'm just don't shout loudly enough
I don't know I'm gonna show timing Edward timing it hasn't been right have faith in the system I
have faith in you and what you're building the right time the right people will come into order
synchronicity will come into play and it will happen I think the pieces are already there
like I said I think you just needed to be where you thought was the right path happen. I think the pieces are already there. Like I said, I think you just needed to be
where you thought was the right path and now I think
this is the true path.
I love it, my man. Thanks so much, brother.
Yeah, I mean, from what little I know,
I'd say, yeah, I mean, obviously, art knows me more than I do,
but we've definitely got people that have been leaning in
that are wanting to build a metaverse of some sort on the Chia side, etc.
Or just, you know, that's serverless.
We've got more folks leaning in,
talking about setting up their own nodes, etc.
to become mirrors for whatever purpose. So the whole decentralized, you know mirrors for uh whatever purpose so the whole decentralized you know
if one gets taken down at least there's somebody out there like all that's slowly but surely yeah
definitely coming together i mean and i think rocket layer 2 is going to be a big part of that
are you know for a lot of the stuff that we need to to power in the background
yeah i think honestly that's that's the way but power in the background mm-hmm yeah I think
honestly that's that's the way of it takes the greed on a block chain
yeah so music village I was I was invited to be the CEO of it last April so I've been running on
fumes and thanks to a couple of donations I've made it through so to hear that like oh no, actually now it's, you can only apply for funding before. It's like, well, I don't know, at what point does,
but then like you said, it's synchronicity.
It's like, maybe it'll just happen quickly
in like a week or something.
I don't know, I don't know, but I'm,
well, I'm just, who am I?
But a conspiracy theorist, but yeah,
I see lots of great signs there, though.
But, yeah, who's pulling the strings of it all?
Wes did sell it to Rupert Murdoch.
Well, I guess that's well known, so probably coincidence.
So, yeah, any other?
Should I talk about anything else, Brad,
about Music Village or World Park?
Or, sorry.
I can, yeah.
Paint it in your mind as a picture to me.
So, Music Village is a musical village
on the outskirts of Bangkok,
where people can go to meet other musicians
to talk about music or perform music live.
In the future, the main Music Village building will launch,
allowing for special gated audio events
where influencers can be paid money
to bring their audience in private audio events.
Music Village will take a percentage from that
and facilitate the conversation
and then create practice rooms for musicians and other parts of spoken audio.
Audio worlds is what Music Village is about.
And then World Park would be a fully open, not music based replacement for Twitter, based simply on spoken audio by topics and influencers.
And it will be a full on full frontal assault on the new world order and anyone else who's
trying to steal humanity's dignity.
This is not generally the sort of pitch that will get you funding, by the way.
I haven't done that yet, but that's what it is it's I should stop
why would you stop it's I. It's a bit weird.
So much is in my head, but when it comes to explain it, it is as easy as it seems.
Well, that's part of the exercise I was trying to have you do.
Yeah, I appreciate it.
I just think influencers are going to pay.
No, let me rephrase that.
Influencers are going to be paid in the spoken voice world.
And currently in Twitter, like, influencers are not doing spaces.
There isn't a weekly mooch space.
There isn't a weekly Ricky Gervais space.
You need that that you need a
place where you can talk to them or talk about them that isn't just on Twitter and that's really
what Will Park is meant to do it's meant to be an influencer driven spoken audio metaverse that's
uncensorable that's my dream vision anyway that's's the 30-second elevator pitch.
There you go.
Thank you, Bradley.
No, you did the work.
I just challenge you to do it.
Yeah.
I just...
I just...
Like, surely the inventor of microblogging against Elon Musk,
the owner of Twitter, in World Park would bring people in,
or on Twitter spaces would bring people in.
Surely that would get the people talking.
David versus Goliath, the titans of the new era.
Elon Musk is David in that, I guess.
Which part of my body do you refer?
No, so swiftly moving on.
Yeah.
Carved out of marble, Edward.
Out of marble.
You see where I think this is going next
is some sort of in wallet spoken voice
communication protocol somehow. So a sort of website based music village then an in wallet
Chia Bitcoin 2 app. And obviously I know Tang Talk talk is in the world but i'm talking about
not an nft just simply did to did so it's slightly different idea but i feel like that's
the most natural place to talk to someone is in a crypto wallet
so i think that's like the next error This is dedicated
Technically
TangTalk is
It is a wallet to wallet
But communication protocol
That's just cross chain isn't it
Actually technically
It's token to token
The wallet is just the uh bridge
do you this sounds like a silly question but do you need the nft for it to work with tank talk
yes uh in order to well okay so yes no. Currently there are features that you can just go to tanktalk.io
and play through the iframe and utilize like Mimer and some of the apps in it.
But to utilize it as it's like all of its functions,
yes, you need to own one in order to access it.
It is the key to get into your personal storage
of your data in a sense.
Yeah, it's a brilliant idea for sure.
I'm just, I want something to be out there
that seven billion people can use in theory,
that will scale and the campfire concept.
That would be this.
Sega's. Yeah, that's how this is built so it's a graph it's
a sharded graph database meaning again every it's like marmots right so like the every tang talk is
its own node which strengthens the network and shards data meaning it shares the processing power across everything
so that it is lesser on the network to be able to handle other than one device.
So it's ultimately completely scalable.
You don't need servers, you don't need larger systems
because it's purely peer-to-peer and serverless.
I'm getting confused, but do you need the NFT then to use it?
You just need to be able to access the NFT, yeah,
so through like a digital wallet or browser.
So you need an NFT to use it, so it wouldn't scale,
because unless there's...
Do you have like a layer 2 NFT minting thing,
which is 25 people off?
Well, at the moment 25 into 7 billion units.
The NFT is the key that's being coded for us to access the system,
but the system itself could still do what you would want it to do and code in a different way.
Yeah, you don't need NFTs. We just lock it behind the gate.
Yeah. Like I was saying on tank talk.io, you can go to the tanktalk and utilize some of the apps.
So that means, again, they're not token-gated,
but the token gate is how we protect individuals' data.
Got you, yeah.
Oh, that makes complete sense.
Yeah, I see.
Wow, wow.
Well, that's amazing then.
Yeah, synchronicity again.
Cheers for clarifying that, Naz.
I may have missed it otherwise.
That's rock and roll.
Yeah, I mean, spoken voice.
I don't know how easy it would be,
but what I'm basically saying is you could ask drag to fork you the code,
basically, to, you know, literally.
If that's once it becomes open source.
For sure.
If there's a way of doing it so it's just public
and I don't even have to own it,
I'm fully, I will give this idea away for free to the world.
This is, I'm not looking to make money off it.
I just want it like, like if someone can,
if someone else can think of a way of,
or even if the community could just get money from it,
or if it doesn't need to make money, it can just be decentralized.
I'm all good with that.
It's not a sell it and make money from it thing
because I want to make music for that.
It's a public good in my mind, so I think we need it.
Well, you're still going to get credit for it.
I've already put a lot of time and effort and thought into it.
I was just waiting for you to ask uh man please please help me i'm on a strand i'm on a lonely desert
island and fucking tom hanks has just drifted up please get me off yeah you're uh you're sick of
talking to wilson yeah that weird football thing with the bloody red face on it yeah I'll
pass get me off save me I think I could possibly Wilson right now with my PSP
that's funny if you know you know guys it's a bit too early for me to say that.
I just found a new weed shop.
100 baht for 8 grams of what I would consider really nice weed.
Just there on the street, 100 baht for 8 grams, that's about 2 quid, $3 for
8 grams of what I think is
just...
$3 for 8 grams,
that's a...
$4 tie stick.
This one is, there's Night Move,
and this is ICC, I think
it is. It's an
International Criminal Court.
It says ICC on the back the thai stick is
they do sell that as well but that's like more of a less like a skunk and more like uh
what's the word you know not too strong i guess tight fit
i guess tight fit on in thailand on the fourth fourth it is the fourth right now so that that's
this space so you're in the thing that you're asking about welcome oh my god so are we going
to an event is there a conference no conference did you know the guy who created chia was the
same guy who created bit torn i i didn't know that um
jimmy i have missed you we've talked about you recently we're like we have not seen jimmy in so
long it's so nice to explain why i you know i just finished building a dap for a client using chia
as a storage method and i'm very happy to report but you know what real building
is in secret is in the quiet at the back end I just like builders saying oh I'm
using Chia I tell the whole world I'm using Chia the facts are if you're gonna
download something off of BitTorrent are you gonna tell the entire world you're
using BitTorrent probably not but you know what BitTorrent? Probably not, but you know what? BitTorrent is the most used
peer-to-peer downloading service in the world by far. So you don't need to tell the whole world
that you're using Chia, but it does mean that there is a casual acceptance to making it mainstream.
There is a casual acceptance to making it mainstream.
And look, I'll admit this.
I'm not a handsome man, okay?
My face is like a bulldozed crackhead.
Okay?
But when I know that I'm contributing to Chia,
I feel like Don Draper.
Okay?
And something about Don Draper was this. He had a history. He had a history. He didn't want to tell everyone about it. That is how I feel about Chia. Chia,
it's like being part of the Freemasons. It's like being a part of the occult. We have our own little
secret society. But you know what? The Freemasons survive to this day. They survive and are
very resilient despite many attempts to destroy them. I think personally, I believe that Bitcoin
will turn into something else. I think there is proof with this sell-off.
Currently, Bitcoin's price is not much higher than it was in 2021.
In a period where the money was very cheap.
And I think people are getting a clue that maybe having a peer-to-peer store of value doesn't make a lot of sense.
At the end of the day, it's just code. We need less networks and more dApps. But the problem with
dApps is that you need a toolkit of many things that work together to make it usable. At the
end of the day, it is code. And you can't build everything yourself.
Right?
The main issue we have right now are the network
speeds.
Making it very difficult to use
dApps.
So, let me give you some examples.
Okay?
I feel... Have you ever played
a video game before, Art? Have you ever played
a video game before? I have, Jimmy. Continue. And have you ever played a video game before, Art? Have you ever played a video game before? I have, Jimmy. Continue.
And have you ever played a mod for a video game before? A mod.
I definitely have. I've played some Minecraft mods before.
That's like... Ethereum is like Half-Life 1.
And the Layer 2s are like mods.
Colonel Shepard, I'm on it.
And then Ethereum 2.0 was like Half-Life 2.
And then all the new Layer 2s are like mods.
But sometimes mods have mods.
So, for example, Red Orchestra was a mod for Half-Life 2, and then had its own mod.
So we have, like, the Layer 3s. And sometimes the mod of the mod has a mod. So that is like how Red Orchestra had its own mod that some people changed to
reskin stuff and play in their own private server. That's like a layer four. But where
are the daps? The daps. This is how I feel about it. So we've discussed mods upon mods. For me, DAPs are like the clans. Successful
gaming teams that use the mod and provide services so that people can watch them lose lose or sometimes maybe win Okay, I'm gonna give you an early
Dap for the game counter-strike
That was a mod or half like one its name was the pubmasters
now the pubmasters
were a famous clan
That had its own YouTube video the very first successful YouTube video for
Counter Strike.
And it was watched by millions.
That video is still online, it doesn't have a lot of people watching it, but it's because
before the era of YouTube, people downloaded it and watched the whole video.
And that is like a dap.
They were like daps.
But what happened was the team left.
They did other things in their life.
It's almost 20 years old now.
And sometimes like that, DAPs, they change.
They're not managed.
It would have been better to open source the DAP.
Open source the DAP. But here's the problem. 95% of DAPs are DeFi DAPs. Opening sourcing
the clans like DAPs for DeFi doesn't make a lot of sense. But what about the other dApps coming out. We have this prediction markets. There is a way to open source them.
They have a utility use case that is outside of DeFi. It involves money or let's say talent
protocol. There is a way that we can use this stuff today. It's like a DAP to verify someone.
Or Civic, which is like a DAP.
It verifies people through onchain KYC.
But this is just the beginning.
Most of these things just came out a year ago at most.
What do I see in the future using Chia? Let me tell you about Chia. Chia for
DAPs would have to be a major use case because not everything can be stored in an off-chain
database. Like what? There are so many use cases, but the thing is, we don't know what they are until people build them.
We have to build them the thing that they could use.
We don't know if anyone's going to use it, though, for many years.
And that is why I'm asking all the people in the Chia investors to continue supporting the project.
Okay?
Let's us submit this. BitTorrent was not that popular for the first few years it was out back in the early 2000s. Okay? But
it became more popular. Edward, if you don't mind. Okay, first off, I'm saying something to add an argument so I can have a major argument.
Secondly, it is true that people use BitTorrent, but the connections were so slow back in the
early 2000s that not a lot of people chose BitTorrent over other services like LimeWire.
We have to admit that.
There was no differentiation at the time okay
because there weren't enough seeders I think you have to admit that bit torn
only became super popular probably around the 2004 2005 euro because at
that point there were enough seeders and enough as I was gonna try and make my
point video games to create the demand for people to download stuff. Let us admit that in the early 2000s, there were an explosion of video games
that came out that people could not afford anymore. Call of Duty, Medal of armor okay the list could go on and on and so when you create a market need suddenly
people turn to victor people did not download movies back then on bitorn they didn't because
the quality of the movie was so that you could barely see anything on your screen
people just bought the illegal cds and burned them and edward you have to admit that people burn more
cds than they use bit toward back then you can at least admit that i'm not sure it Edward, you have to admit that people burn more CDs than they used BitTor
back then. You can at least admit that.
I'm not sure. I'd have to do a bit more.
How old are you?
Do you even remember this era? Were you even born yet? Or were you just uploading sperm?
I was an early user, to put it that way.
Okay, did you burn CDs or not?
I did, I think, yeah.
And how many more games from burned CDs did you use
versus games that were downloaded on BitTorrent?
Considering that the maximum modem connection in 2002
was probably like 30 KB.
In 2002, it was faster than that, wasn't it?
No, mostly in the US it was not faster than that.
He was in England, but...
It was pretty, it was slow because, like, actually at the time it was one of the unique
cases where the UK was ahead of the US.
Because you're such a small country, you did have a faster internet connection than most of the US because you're such a small country you did have a faster internet connection the most US you don't realize a lot of the US didn't
actually get internet until the like around 2010 people don't know that like
Tennessee Kentucky they really didn't get internet until around that time it
was bad it was really bad DSL it was bad guys people don't realize how bad it was
you know the only place that had okay internet was like the East Coast.
Maybe the West Coast. But most of the US didn't really have good internet.
Things change. My point here is this.
People move from burning CDs to using BitTorrent
because they realize that having cedars
meaning basically everyone burning cedes, allowed for faster upload.
Okay.
And that is what I see with Chia.
Once you create use cases, people will find ways to increase demand for them that make it useful without you knowing how.
useful without you knowing how I don't think the guy who created BitTorrent
knew that people were gonna use BitTorrent for video games until they did
Okay back in the early 2000s. There were like four or five games that came out per quarter
Like you might see Command & Conquer
Empire Earth Age of Empires
Like in one year and that was like it.
There weren't that many other games out.
Today, there's probably like 40 or 50 games coming out per week on Steam.
Pretty crazy.
So, look.
You gotta create the toolkit for people to use.
And that is why I'm telling everyone to get into Chia.
Chia will unlock the toolkits for people to use. And that is why I'm telling everyone to get into Chia. Chia will unlock the toolkits for people like me to build. Okay, Edward?
Okay. Jimmy, have you heard of Tang Talk or Dracatus the game on Chia i i have but i don't think that personally i don't believe that the use
case of chia will be game i think the use case of chia will be other things like maybe encryption
technology you can download a lot of other stuff i'm not even sure what it'd be maybe ai stuff
it's not clear um but it will be something. We just don't know.
I honestly don't play a lot of video games today because I don't enjoy most video games that are coming out.
I enjoy really old video games because I just think that they're more fun.
And so I'll give you some examples.
The most recent Assassin's Creed suck ass, in my opinion.
The older Assassin's Creed are kind of fun, but not that fun.
What does Jimmy the Otter play?
He plays a game from 2003.
He has almost 20,000 hours on Steam.
Steam came out in 2002.
Okay.
Medal of Honor. Headshot.
By the way, that game is...
That game is Age of Empires, by the way.
I just...
I just don't think that...
Like, even the new Age of Empires
kind of suck ass compared to it.
most of the new RTS is really i don't particularly
find that fun in the sense that they're either too fast paced and not coordinated enough or
too slow and are kind of relaxing but not really competitive. So for example, Warno is a game I've played. It's like a war game,
but it's kind of like when I'm just chilling, I'll play. It's not a very intensive game.
And then in the first-person shooter world, I would say that the new Counter-Strike CS2, in my opinion, is much worse than CS1.
I think most people admit that. It is a lot more fun in some ways because it looks newer,
but the dynamics of the game are much worse.6, which is almost 25 years old by now,
it's actually older than that. Jeez, it's older than that. The reason why it was such a great
game was because people would get stuck on D-Dust and, like, would go in the tunnel and start just
shooting through the tunnel, popping smoke.
Start shooting through it.
And no one would really get killed
until someone would try to flank.
But in CS2,
that shit never happens anymore.
Because the
money system has changed, where you can buy
a lot more grenades, so you can't
really hold still somewhere.
And people will just, like, either the choices
are rush, or
to basically camp.
That's not a lot of fun
in some ways, but I can understand people liking it more,
because it's more, like, low IQ.
So, but I think the issue
of CS 1.6
was people kind of figured out
the meta by the
2015 mark, whereby
most of the
AWOPers
were so good at it
that they would hold down
T-choke points,
and then two or three guys would clear areas using nades,
and basically there's no way of stopping them.
And so the meta was pretty much figured out,
and I think that CS2 was just in response to changing the meta
so that there is no meta,
and yet there has yet been a meta for CS2 but the overall meta is kind of like just you know flank and that's kind
of it and sometimes it's kind of like a game of poker everyone is pretty much
equally skilled at the top level. That's pretty much it.
So, yeah, I just don't see Chia being a gaming thing.
I know there are projects coming out to create gaming servers on Web3.
I actually have equity in one project for that.
But we're not using Chia because
it's mostly off-chain.
I also don't think crypto games
are going to become popular, to be honest.
Well, how we run
our game, Jimmy,
is primarily off-chain with just hash validation on-chain.
Why do you have to involve money?
That's what we say, too.
That's the whole point of Rocket L2, is to be able to only...
How do you buy from it?
How do you buy from it?
You don't have to.
Again, the whole point of it is you can buy it.
It's our product. You can't buy it.
Okay, so
I believe that game should not be free.
And let me explain why.
It's not the game.
It's the database
that runs it all underneath.
But why
would you want that?
Because it's gasless. It has the same merkle tree it has the same validation but like do you admit that cs2 is gasless yeah that's the whole point of
what we're trying to say is we created a real time real-time layer so that you could have uh again a blockchain game
that acts like a web 2 game well i um it's a hybrid uh i get it but if I play CS2 today, basically there's an equivalence already.
I don't need to worry about any of those things like Web3 fees and stuff.
It's just, you know, done.
Yeah, we don't have to either.
All the Web3 connection is proof of ownership.
So think of it as like a membership or think of it as like...
But I don't want to be a member.
I don't want to be a member.
You pay for Steam.
Right?
You pay for your Steam account.
But I actually don't feel my Steam account is a membership, personally.
Well, it is, though. It's access. That's all it is.
Well, can I tell you something? I don't know if you've ever heard of
Crack Games?
You know?
Crack Games?
Crack Games.
Oh, yeah. Okay, go ahead.
I don't think I've actually bought a game in a really long time.
Not because I'm cheap,
but because most of the games
I play are so bad that they're not really
fun, and
I only realized that maybe 50
hours in, that this game is kind of
pointless.
I would donate to a game if I enjoyed
it, like if they had a donation button in
game, but they usually don't have that.
So I'll give you some examples.
I personally did not enjoy Cyberpunk.
So instead of buying it, I downloaded it, and about 20 hours in, which would mean that I couldn't refund it on Steam,
it's just kind of a weird game. It's just kind of too dark.
And you only find out games are dark, like, halfway through now.
I'll give you another example.
I don't know if you ever played the game Eastward.
It was a very dark game.
It was advertised as a fun game.
Or how about Spiritfare?
Nope.
Okay.
What about, well, Cyberpunk is enough.
It's a very, very dark game, man.
It was not marketed as a dark game
at all. It's got some weird
shit in it, man. It's got some really weird stuff,
really evil things in it, like
child sex trafficking missions.
I'm not interested
in playing a game where that stuff happens.
I'm not interested.
But they never told anyone that that stuff
was in the game before buying it and you only find out
about 10-15 hours in it
that's not cool
you should have the ability to refund it when you see that stuff
or some sort of
content
clarity
I did not
wade through a 15 hour walkthrough
to only find out that the 200 hour game has stuff like that.
And it has multiple missions like this.
The last game that had horror elements I liked was Bioshock.
That game came out in like 2005.
Now, anyway, going back to Steam.
I see Steam as more of a, like, an immemorium for who I was.
I would say that I would rather
use like my Gmail as a membership
because if I could have that opportunity,
that means that all those messages I could store easily.
Like, I don't really like Steam that much.
I don't like the friends list thing very much.
I don't like to be seen playing the games.
I don't enjoy the UI of Steam.
Have you used Steam before?
I have, yep.
Do you like the UI of Steam?
Not really.
I don't think anyone does, and yet they never change it. It's clunky.
It's dark. I can't see anything.
Maybe I'm getting old.
When you add friends, it's really weird.
You know, send me your Steam ID number.
I'm like, alright, and then you can't find them?
Steam came from, I don't know if you know this,
Valve bought a company
that became Steam in
2001.
And I enjoyed that a lot more than
what it is today.
So anyway, I don't really want
a membership. I don't want
something where everything's in it. I don't
like that. I don't think anyone
likes it, but it's kind of we're forced to. Like, we have to
buy the game from the store.
It's got your friends. No one even
uses their friends list. Everyone uses Discord.
I would actually say this.
Discord would be a cool membership way
of doing stuff.
I like Discord.
Yeah, Discord would be cool.
Like, you could buy games in Discord
and, like, boot it up.
Man, Steam sucks.
And you know, sometimes you can't
even play multiple games at the same time on Steam.
It's weird.
It's very strange.
The whole thing's strange. I stopped buying Ubisoft
games because you had to log in
with Ubisoft after you log in
to Steam. I'm like, bro,
that's weird.
I just don't like the middleman stuff.
So I guess your thing
kind of sounds like a middleman thing. I don't like it.
No, it's actually the opposite.
It's serverless completely.
No, no, wait, wait.
You're throwing it into it.
I was trying to give you an analogy
of a membership.
For us, how you do it with TangTalk and all of our systems,
you buy it once, and then you have access to it.
You're buying a key to your database.
It's like a private email.
There you go.
You're the only person that has access to it.
So it's serverless, so we don't keep any data.
It's completely peer-to-peer.
That's the whole point.
Okay.
Well, I guess it's interesting.
I just don't really...
You remember the year of video games where we didn't have to log into anything?
Remember that?
It was a long time ago.
Yeah. The world was heavy on data farming.
That's the issue.
That's what I'm trying to solve.
You know, I remember
in Steam, what people would do is they would
reuse the CDPs and shit
and play Dave Defeat.
It was a very old game.
It was a good era.
What are you cooking, Jimmy the Otter?
I'm cooking
steaks because
I'm an animal eater.
You know,
the problem with some people in cheetahs is they're vegans, you know. People scare me. Steaks. Because I'm an animal eater. You know?
The problem with some people in cheetahs is they're vegans.
You know?
People scare me.
I don't blame you.
I like to eat steaks with beef tallow, bo gras on top, caviar, creme fresh, squash fries. you're not messing around nope sure don't
well good to see you back Jimmy the otter Bradley I know that you said you're on the verge of going to bed so do you want to wind the space down it must have been a half an hour by now you should
get you yeah i think it's a little been a little over but it's been a long time since i've heard
jimmy's voice so i wanted to give him in space and time no pun intended You remember the game Empire Earth? Just bring me back that game.
I'll invest it.
Back to the days of black and white?
No, it wasn't black and white.
It certainly was fun, though.
No, no, no.
The game, Black and White.
Oh, that game.
Yeah.
You know, the funny thing is,
about five or six people created most the video game genre
You know like thief was created by the same studio that made system shock and the same studio made the first flight simulator game
It's just and everything is just kind of a copy of a copy of a copy now. There's no innovation anymore
Not fun.
Well, yeah, I want to thank everyone for coming in tonight.
As always, happy Thursday.
Appreciate you, Edward.
Let's get in some chats this week.
Can you send me your white paper and your pitch and stuff?
I'd love to put it into a folder. Absolutely so much Bradley love you man love you too brother yeah thanks
Nass for coming up always good to see him a man and Jimmy the otter always
welcome freedom of speech faces always welcome so yeah any closing thoughts
guys and then we'll close the space off.
I believe that Trump's tariffs will lead to people using Shia.
Interesting.
Because I think the Europeans are going to put electronic online digital taxes on American products in the future.
Like taxes on Google's drive.
Like a tariff.
Because the problem is
the way you calculate it is only physical goods,
but America makes most of its income
from digital goods today.
