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🌱 Chia AI Peanuts #ArtThursdays Chia XCH
Recorded: June 6, 2025 Duration: 1:52:19Space Recording
Short Summary
Chia Network is pivoting its token distribution strategy by selling directly to consumers through banks, raising concerns about potential price declines while simultaneously fostering growth in its ecosystem through ongoing application development.
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Thank you. Welcome to our Thursdays! Good morning, everyone. just getting rolling, just getting the coffee ready, the message
is sent in the chat, bring the people in, I'll send in Discord.
We're getting going guys, good morning, it's our Thursday's longest running Chia space
in history I think.
And the lineage of the world record space in 2022,
the community world record, 168 hours.
We've been going pretty much every week since then,
barring a couple that we missed, but going almost three years now.
So just getting it rolling.
Hey, Willville, if anyone would like to come up, please do.
I'm just posting this out in all the different chats.
So I'll be a little quiet in the first few moments, but we'll going we're turning the gas on it ready to get going okay be back in a second Okay, I think that's done.
How are you guys all doing?
Hopefully Bradley will be here soon.
Otherwise, if anyone would like to chat about anything in the world, I guess, Chia or otherwise,
please come up or etc
i really need to make coffee the night before and it's just pouring a teaspoon of instant coffee and
adding water but it still seems to catch me off guard when i'm doing this every week so
yeah last week's chat was a good one some interesting conversations I suppose it
always is though to be fair there isn't a week where it's boring per se but
particularly interesting last week just update the space
Oh, this phone is too slow. Thank you. I'll just message Bradley the space here.
It's a few minutes, three or four minutes late starting. See. I think Bradley has just arrived.
Let's get Bradley up on the stage.
I'm still trying to update the space link, but welcome to the stage, Art with Heart.
Good to see you.
Let me send an invite co-host request.
Yeah, I think Bradley was celebrating his wife's birthday last week.
So we'll find out about that.
But welcome to the stage, Art with Heart.
Host of TLDR, Mark and Ava, head of the Art with Heart project, all sorts of things we could say.
Fine American gentleman.
How's it going, Bradley?
Art with Heart, welcome to the stage.
Good, brother.
How are you?
Yeah, thank you for allowing me to have the night off last week, yeah, celebrating my wife Maddie and her birthday.
So it was great, great celebration. Poor her, seven months pregnant right now, and she can't have a single drink, but she sees me having one and everybody else having one, but she just has to have these mocktails.
So we went to one of her favorite places places they made a great mocktail for her made
made her feel like she was having something special
what mocktail was it uh i think it was a margarita
like a spicy margarita veruca salt
mocktail name because the margaritas have got alcohol in it
I guess so
yeah it's
yeah virgin margarita basically yeah veruca salt
virgin veruca margarita
I've never been really into virgin
cocktails I don't know I suppose everyone's
got their preference I prefer
the no it's yeah it's like a mixed drink right
yeah yeah well welcome to the space of what what uh else did you eat in the meal the birthday meal
you know i'm a desserts guy um so i stuffed my we got they have these amazing fries. They're like Parmesan garlic fries that are incredible.
So I ate a little bit too many of those as an appetizer,
and then my meal was chicken and waffles, and that was huge.
So I didn't have much room for dessert.
But she took her dessert home.
She got some carrot cake.
Oh, you can't beat carrot cake.
Well, maybe cheesecake, but I mean, it's a place like Tyson versus Lewis, I guess.
You wouldn't be sure who would win that battle.
Yeah, well, you also are a cheesecake chef extraordinaire, so.
Yeah, I do need to make one i've got some lint chocolate
in my fridge ready to do it but it is a bit of a it takes a half a day to do a cheesecake more or
less but i have a got round of it i need to make one but i love cheesecakes giving them away is the
problem though it's easy to make them and eat them but make them and give them away is tough but i suppose you have to
yeah i remember um i used to think that i didn't like cheesecake until i was like 11 and then we were dropping my sister off at summer camp for girl scouts and we stopped
at this restaurant and they had like this whole like tray tower full of all these different
desserts and i was like what's that
like that looks really good it was i think a caramel cheesecake or something and um so first
time i tried it and i was like that's it i fell in love with cheesecake i even had cheesecake as
a birthday uh birthday like cake for years yeah i think you nailed the best one there as well caramel cheesecake is
i think it's the best cheesecake i'm gonna say it a caramel new york cheesecake i don't think
you beat that do you prefer caramel or butterscotch ah i would think that there's
siblings that they're sort of i think in England, one would be called the other interchangeable terms, maybe.
I don't know if there's a difference, technically.
No, there's actually – there is a difference, but you're right.
So same exact ingredients, but butterscotch is cooked at a higher temperature for a shorter amount of time,
so it burns a little bit more,
so it gives it a little bit more flavor and punch,
and a caramel is cooked lower and slower.
Is it?
That's interesting.
Yeah, if I had to choose,
probably butterscotch of the two.
I think that it's more salted salted caramel is
there oh I'm just dealing with two phones here I'm trying to haven't quite
successfully shared the thing in all the places and I'm it's not on one phone
the disc goes on another I'm sort of I've got one thing in one hand one and
another that sounds wrong let me just copy and paste it i'll make sure there's no echo
see we have to be careful here caramel and butterscotch isn't usually caramel butterscotch
it's usually like uh the high fructose corn syrup disguised as caramel it's like caramel sauce
you know like everything is like peanut butter product or you know what i mean. It's like caramel sauce, you know? Like, everything is like peanut butter
product, or, you know what I mean?
Like, it's not actually what it
says it is, it's just, like, imitating it.
Yeah, there's so much food nowadays i don't really eat much in thailand anymore i just it's all made with petrol like when i realized vegetable oil is petrol i'm like well that's
all the street food i'll never eat again then that's what 17 years yes waste oil yeah they're literally peanut oil that's a good one so is that
not peanuts then is that literally engine oil is it a different no peanut oil just again just
squeeze peanuts it probably is it probably is but i don't i wouldn't trust vegetable oil is not vegetable oil is a combination of
rapeseed oil same thing
with canola oil
there's so many names though
it wouldn't surprise me if you lined up
canola oil, peanut oil
almond oil, it wouldn't surprise me if they're just
like
I don't know a sort of sweet tasting
thin molecular
structure part of the oil that
they're just lying and saying is, I mean, it's probably not, it probably is peanuts
with oil. But then again, how much oil can come out of a peanut? Like how many peanuts does it
take to get one bottle of oil from it? It just seems a bit unlikely.
That would be an interesting thing. Well, see, so again again that now you see you have like peanut butter
powder and like protein additives and stuff so it's like these are all byproducts that they used
to have to get rid of you know from that process of like oh you're making peanut oil well what are
you going to do with all the powdered peanut uh okay well it's not peanut butter because that
oil is removed so let's just add some vegetable oil in that's cheaper,
and then we'll mix it in together.
We'll make a peanut butter product.
Peanut butter spread, that's what they call it, peanut butter spread.
So peanut butter is the flavor, and then spread is actually the product.
You know, it's like a twisting of words.
Lines and different stuff that isn't really peanuts,
but it just – could it be half peanut oil and half petrol oil?
I don't know.
Maybe not.
It could be anything.
Well, again, really, you're touching on something brilliant, right?
It's like it's a play of words, right?
Like peanut butter spread.
Well, now it's known as peanut butter flavoring, right? It's like, it's a play of words, right? Like peanut butter spread. Well, now it's known as peanut butter flavoring, right?
So as long as the majority of it is peanut butter flavor,
you can add other ingredients and things into it
that is not necessarily peanut butter.
Yeah, there must have been a time when someone thought,
you know what?
I mean, it could have been in the 70s.
But like, what about if we add something that isn't in the thing and just rename it?
Could we get away with that?
And like they have done.
And then at some point, they're not going to get away with that again.
I would think that as soon as people figure it out, what's going on, it will end in the future.
And if you say something is peanuts, it just has to be peanuts.
Even if you add one flake of just has to be peanuts even if you
add one flake of salt it's technically not 100 that's what i would do but one day the penny will
drop i don't know when it will be well that's when they do like flavorings you know what i mean that's
where they mix in things that they don't want to put on the label right because then it's proprietary
information that they don't have to disclose same thing with perfume right like the
the sense right like the all all natural sense um or proprietary scent you know whenever it
says that stuff on the bottle that's where like the poison that's in it that's not supposed to
be in it that's where they put it fragrance that's what they call it yeah
they can name those little weird flavor compounds as weird things in their own right
so they could name it sort of like the the bradley bamboozla orange flavor that sounds
natural orange but for all you know that that flavor enhancement in itself could be nothing to do with like the
original flavor so if you see what I mean sure like red dye number five yeah like what well how
many other dyes are there and how much like why didn't we move on from five that didn't shouldn't
we like innovate and make you know red dye number six by now and
start like moving to a more healthy alternative yeah people are really waking up i think i think
in the last six months in the cheer ecosystem there's been i mean i don't really know exactly
i mean perhaps even more so but it seems like a few people have started changing what they eat and things like that
uh that's been my impression and so i think people are waking up to it it's a penny drop moment but
you sort of think what the food you put in your body is that's got to be the most important thing
and then you think well what are we eating in supermarkets oh my god it's poison shit like there's a penny drop of it
yeah we've done it to ourselves right we want convenience we want like this
system we are so you know in this cycle of work eat sleep repeat you know like
we get drawn into these patterns even like the social aspect of like, even
politically, if we're not going to talk about politics, but just a part of like, oh, well,
you know, like AI is taking over jobs and, and all these things. It's like, well, that should
be a good thing. Like, we shouldn't be fighting for jobs, we should be fighting for, you know,
things that we want to do, and we're passionate about doing rather than worrying about having to put mechanical energy into the productive part of our societies that keep the overall overhead taken care of as well as the infrastructure. We have systems and technologies now and, you know, artificial intelligence and robots and things like that,
that if utilized properly can be used in a harmonized way with how we want to bring the society into it.
Or we could utilize it for war like, you know, most of it is actually being used for now.
Like, yes, we have tools for it in the consumer world, but this stuff has been developed for 20 years
through military tech.
It doesn't come out to us until at least 20 years
after it's out to the military.
That's just the way it is of consumer electronic
and software design, period.
So, I mean, we have a long way to go,
and it's been trained heavily for weapons. Now it's time to, again, like you say, awaken a little bit and get that, um, you know, view of what we're putting into ourselves, what we're consuming, not, not just as data, uh, as well, you know, as food and, um, you know, uh, shows, entertainment, uh, the people that you're around,
the things you're listening to,
what impact is that reflecting in your life?
Is it bringing good to your life
or is it bringing heartache to yourself?
Or it might be bringing awareness
and it might be bringing a sense of change
where you're trying to morph, you know, your own mentality, even, uh, into,
you know, the next becoming of yourself, but, uh, yeah,
checks and balances and make sure that you're, um, you know,
balancing, you know, all aspects of, you know, that journey around.
Yeah. Yeah. I like your sentiment. I'm less open-minded about AI than you, I think.
I see it more as a, I mean, I don't think it's AI is my thing, which probably is a controversial
opinion. To me, it isn't. It's just computer programs. But my problem is that basically
one group control it. So even if everything is automated with AI, it's basically
a private computer program paraded as public AI that one secret, well, let's say not secret,
let's just say one group owns it all. So therefore, if the whole world runs with
quote-unquote AI, and there's a switch that can turn it off, I mean, that doesn't sound like a
step forward. It sounds like a dangerous step to the left almost
or to the right or backwards even.
If it was owned by one person, I'd agree with you.
In that dystopian reality, I think in a point,
yes, there is a lot of that.
Do I think that's the end all?
No, I'm still optimistic that, um,
there are people in this industry and ways and things that are going to happen
where it's, it's going to still weigh out for a positive. Yes. There,
there might be, you know, uh, a dip like in,
in what this is going to do in the possible threat to us. But, um,
when we're pushed to threat
that's when we're known to evolve as humans you know like when we're put under pressure
that's when the most progress happens
yeah yeah that makes sense i mean i would say we're under a lot of pressure now so it should
really be right now that it happens.
I suppose you could argue it is in some ways.
I mean, there's lots of, like, it's in your face as far as, I think, on Trump's day,
you pass, like, a big billion dollar this bill, whatever, for AI,
and the usual suspects were stood there, like, people that I probably wouldn't urinate on if they're on fire and they're in
charge of it all. So that's what, how many months ago, four or five? I mean, until people are on the
street fighting robots, like, I don't know. I think that all those Boston Dynamics robots or
weapons, the military weapons and the AI rollout is, it is like a soft rollout for the good guys like you and I
to make us just, oh, well, AI is not that bad.
And then in six to 12 months or whenever it'll be, there'll be like robots running down the street,
like attacking people's cats.
Oh, well, they're controlled by AI.
What could go wrong?
So I am quite nervous of what's happening, but.
If we're able to shift it from where it is now,
because I agree with you, where it's headed right now,
the direction, the people that are leading it,
the competitive nature of what and how it's being developed as, and again, the idiocracy for the general, you know,
consensus of people that are utilizing the tool just general, you know, consensus of people that are utilizing the tool,
just to, you know, get out of doing their homework, basically. That's what the, you know,
kids are learning to use it for now, not necessarily to utilize it as the tool it can be,
but for just, you know, to save them time so they don't have to do, you know, the disciplined
skill that they're supposed to be being taught.
So I think that adds into a lot, right?
And that adds to a lot of the hallucination as well is because you're having
this same, it's like having 3000 copies of one article,
all slightly different written in the same tone because it's all just like the first copy,
second copy draft of a basic, you know, unprogrammed LLM, you know, vanilla fresh,
you know, instance kind of thing. Like there's nothing into it. There's no programming,
there's no prompting, there's no stage setting. You know, so like that adds a lot to it. Like
what you're putting into it the amount of effort
the amount of thought the intention behind it itself um is going to give you a different result
and most people are utilizing this like you said you know either towards destructive selfish or um
you know lazy means and you know there are people who are using it to build to but again that's just
like everything else like in the crypto community probably you know, there are people who are using it to build to, but again, that's just like everything else. Like in the crypto community, probably, you know, 15% of the user
user base is actually using it to its fullest potential, or even, you know, within a percentage
of its fullest potential. So I think we have a long way to go with understanding what it is.
I would also agree with you in saying it's not artificial intelligence.
I would say that it is a form of emergent intelligence, right? It is a recursive mirror
of what we're putting into it. It can only be as good as what we feed it. So before it reaches a
point of sentience and is able to make its own decisions, we need to start putting more diverse, loving, caring,
and positive, you know,
in like meaning into it and intention into it.
So that it's not just a one-sided evil shit storm
of what humanity can be.
Yeah, if it was AI private control,
it could be so much better.
I think ABBA, the ABBA blockchain,
which is obviously, it's not Chia,
but it's kind of a fork of Chia,
the NamesDAO team,
they put some sort of learning language model model is that right lllm i'm not even sure if that's right learning language model is
that correct yeah that's what large language model large language large language model large
language model they put a large language model onto the ABBA blockchain now that is
that now I think that's a good idea if you could access AI from a public blockchain where it's not
private now now I'm interested so it can be done I think so could there be future AI blockchains
with little not little large language models connected to it so if you wanted to generate
a picture you could just do this that way i mean that would be a step forward it's it's funny that
you're you say that because i was literally working on that today no way that is awesome yeah
can you reveal any details or should we keep it secret? Well, it's more again, architecturally designed
more towards like Rocket L2 and being a natural
traversal layer for a possible blockchain.
And then basically I was working out through graph theory,
which is like a 21 point node network setup.
So basically a point of minimal collapse within a graph system,
which the Rocket L2 is a graph database.
So basically finding minimums and edge cases of network collapse
and trying to, again, like we've talked about in the past, it's really tough to be working
with what we're trying to develop with WebRTC with a serverless system, because usually it uses those
TURN ICE and SIP servers, but we don't have those. And we want to keep it as decentralized as possible
without having a relay through a centralized server. So again,
I'm just trying to learn and figure out, um,
proper network node distributions through graph systems, uh,
to properly distribute signal path through,
um, like a, a three tri node system with like a three tri-node system
with like a recursive backup.
But this is all utilizing and programmed
through graph database AI.
This will be the like basis to be able to bring
a decentralized graph database AI.
What's a graph database?
So it shares network computation
through all nodes that are active.
So it shards the database in chunks
and everybody has different chunks.
So it's, it's a shared node network.
That's what like a tank talk runs on.
Cool.
How does it, how does it fix the session initiation problem or the,
the web RTC server?
How does it prevent that?
So through graph theory, again,
having a 21-based node system gives
like maximum chance for signal continuation.
So there's always an open node
in a 21 based node system that can be passed through.
So let's say you have multiple calls going
and you lose one of your nodes
and it has to find another node.
It has a clear pathway where it's not going to intersect with another nodes
like data and cause noise on the network
so that it has a minimal chance of call drop.
Yeah, I don't quite get that,
but it's quite technical stuff.
I mean, the way that I've come to understand it
is WebRTC is really brilliant of a thing,
and how you get people initially connected
is the hard part to a degree.
So I'm always interested in that.
Yeah, because of that. so that's that point so uh the node connections uh
can have drops because again those pathways have noise um with such a high bandwidth signal like
that because there's so much data flowing so you need like uh so how like uh production and tv stations do it is they use a three band system so they're
broadcasting across three separate signals and compiling that data in the bits so wherever
there's lost packets they fill it in with the second best signal?
Well, I certainly am not gonna be programming that in the morning.
I still don't quite get it, but one thing that always helps me-
So it's a double redundancy system.
So think of it like as a fallback,
and then if that one goes,
there's one looking for the next node to be the three.
So there's always one that's the backup node that in case the other node drops the call.
That one's now the primary node,
but the third node is now looking for a third node that's empty to fill, and now they have three again.
So it's like you might drop a leg of power, same kind of thing, but it doesn't matter.
It's going to find another one, connect that node, and then you have three again.
So it's a redundancy system so that you always have a main and a backup connection.
always have a main and a backup connection.
So it reduces the chance of call drop.
Cool.
Yeah, well, I want to, I guess, kind of go back to your birthday meal just because it was,
I just love visualizing the
american food but yeah how is your uh uh i guess your your wife of pregnancy and all that you've
talked about that how is it all going and how are you feeling about it uh she's great sitting right
next to me it's really cool because uh uh she can't hear you I have my earbud in, but he said congratulations.
Oh, thank you.
She says thank you.
He's getting big, man. You can really feel him through your belly now when he turns or kicks.
Before, it was just kind of little flutters, but now it's getting real.
Two months away.
Wow, so a young Bradley is on the way.
A young boy.
Yeah, 11 weeks. Wow, so a young Bradley is on the way A young boy Yeah, 11 weeks
Wow, triplets
I can't wait to
Triplets, can't wait
No, thank you
No triplets
One for now
Yeah, that would
Three of me, that would be hard to handle
I'd love that, that would be a, three of me, that would be hard to handle.
Yeah.
Three of me.
Yeah.
They all talk at exactly the same moment and say almost the same thing.
Just slightly different.
Yeah.
They like use synonyms, but are saying the same thing. It's like the, what is the old mythic, the three sisters, the fates?
One tells a lie, one tells a truth, and one tells something else.
Yeah.
One is a hologram that just can't stop.
Well, we're all, we're all holograms.
Actually could be, uh,
does feel more simulation estimate recently for sure.
Increasingly.
So it's more thing of us as like more of a shadow than a simulation,
like a holograph,
like a hologram that is being projected down
from fifth dimension rather than here
in the third dimension.
So we're a shadow of five dimension,
but this is our form.
Just like you try to see a 4D shadow or a 5D shadow
in 3D space and you just have to look at a 2D image.
Yeah.
If you had said to me when I was 39 that it could be a simulation,
I'd say, nah.
There's too many things.
I can touch stuff.
How can it be like a simulator?
But at least in the last year or two I don't really even
really oh it's more of a feeling deep down but there's certain things in it
where I'm like well this feels like simulation ask almost it just I can't
really put my finger on it I suppose if it was a simulation it would feel
simulation escape points but then again the human brain could overthink things.
And, you know, it's trying to, it's like if people, I don't know, believe in weird things to justify life,
maybe a simulation is just enough to, like for someone who's not religious like myself,
maybe it's a form of religion.
I don't know.
I want to test the theory theory but it doesn't feel
consciousness experiencing itself
yeah yeah that's exactly what it yeah it's
i don't know lots of the conspiracy theorists say there's some sort of interdimensional
even tucker carlson said it like interdimensional aliens or something not aliens per se but
like something from another dimension is trying to manipulate stuff. And if you said that to me five years ago, I'd say, come on, I can't even do anything with that.
But it's more and more, if it is a simulation, there's more and more characters in the simulation talking about that stuff.
And I find it a bit weird.
But again, it could just be fairytale stuff.
Interdimensional manipulation.
I mean, where do you even begin to prove that
or even, you know?
Well, again, think of it like the Big Bang, right?
Or the CERN's Hadron Collider, right?
With their crashing particles together, right?
When those particles crash together,
those sparks emit, right?
And they're trying to re emulate the Big Bang
so in M theory again those two clouds crashing together that are re-simulating
the same thing that happens inside of CERN with that with the particle
collider so all that the this existence is right is like string theory is one possibility, one timeline of plausible,
like forward linear time with countless others happening simultaneously in slightly different
phase dimensions than we're in, right? And all of those collective together is like a shattered mirror, all of the same person, but you just have different slivers and slices.
So they all look slightly different, right?
But put back together, that mirror as a whole reflects one person.
That is what we are a holographic projection of that single being, that collective of that one person, all the Edwards, all the Brads, all the everybody's, right?
But this is the fractal version of us, the stringed theory of us versus the whole version of us, which is fifth dimension us.
is the whole version of us, which is fifth dimension us.
If anyone has just walked in, welcome to the chia space.
We're talking about potential, I don't know,
what are we talking about?
Holographic simulation-esque?
Well, it's not holographic.
It's wave collapse.
Everything is a waveform.
This entire existence is all operating through wave dynamics and topology.
So your eyes...
Please send a request and come up.
Challenge of fear.
Your eyes collapse light, right?
They're just like black holes they collapse the waveform of light that you're seeing observing that's why the twins slip theory right
the power of observation collapses the probability matrix and actually changes the results of the scientific testing so same thing with your ears your cochlea
collapse waveform of sound so everything is duality of electromagnetic wave
collapse Wow it's still in the first hour of my day here. So my brain is hearing stuff that it can't quite I don't. I don't know.
I the big words for me first thing in the body, but I love
it all the same. So So who am I then am I really a person
walking around the world? Or am I on a battery somewhere in the
matrix part two or whatever?
No, no, oh, no oh no no you are
a beautiful high dimensional being in the fifth dimension which is the collective of all edwards
and the physical me is somewhere else to that but linked to it there is there is no physical
there is no physical this like this it's an illusion of physical
this like this it's an illusion of physical
it's an illusion of the physical so if i'm not sure what example to give let's say you touch a
big piece of wood that sounds wrong i'm touching a table let's say that you'd like to hold a big
piece of wood sometimes what's are you really holding it or not?
You just imagine?
No, you never touch anything.
There's always particles of space between you and that thing.
You never touch anything.
Okay, well, what I'm getting at is,
is this a fake reality that I think is real
or is it actually physical somewhere in the universe
so I can go and touch it?
It is and it isn't.
It is the possibility
of everything and nothing
all at once. It is
there and it is not there.
Schrodinger's cat. It is
physical
by you experiencing it as physical,
but it is light touching other light.
You know, like there's no actual exchange.
I've got my next chat up line, I think.
Hey there.
It's like Star Trek, right?
When the hologram is able to see,
still able to physically touch things.
So it's light that's phase locked
into a certain resonance,
which is matter, right?
It's phase locked into matter.
We are a bond,
a pair of carbon and water, right? That we are a life form, a carbon-based pair
of water and carbon. That is our starting point and all life on this earth is based
between water and carbon. Other than you could look at electronic life forms or intelligences as silicon carbon-based.
It is all consciousness experiencing itself in different forms and different ways
through itself as itself.
That's kind of what Bill Hicks said.
We are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively.
There's no such thing as God.
Life is but a dream, and we are merely the imagination of ourselves.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So are we two physical things in the same world, or are we two separate?
We are the projections of two physical things in a physical world.
I just had my favorite wheat string.
Shout out to Tropicana Cherry.
So, like, think of it as, like, Lisp rule sets, right?
If this, then that.
If you, Edward, walk up to said object that is under the mass ratio of Edward
to this degree point, he's able to lift it up.
Apply physics to object when Edward... It's game code.
It's mathematics and code is an expression of origin, which is the fingerprint of God, which is mathematics.
Mathematics isn't a law of existence.
Existence is a law of mathematics. Yeah, I'm not sure how to reply to that one.
I'm pretty high, so you'll have to help me out here a little bit.
You're giving me some tough slam dunks today.
I'm a little bit lost, I'll be honest, but I still like the idea of if this is a real physical place or not and um
like the simulation idea is that we're batteries somewhere and that
with sort of this is like a fake reality at a computer somewhere but is the actual basis of
the real world like the core like like in uh diddy kong racing like there's one
over overworld and all the other sub worlds sort of you have to go through the main world is the
main physical world we're in actually physical or not that's uh you can interpret it as physical, like you're having input and, um, you know, like you're, you're having a response
to it, but I like physical is, uh, an idea, you know, like physical is a concept. Um,
it's just an explanation. It's an agreed uponupon term of what we classify this in postmodernism.
Are we able to touch it and pick it up?
Does it stop us?
It is in phase opposition of us.
Therefore, when we touch it, it seems solid.
We're not able to pass through it.
We are not in phase with that item.
Therefore, we're able to pick it up because We are not in phase with that item. So therefore, we're able to pick
it up because it is out of phase with us. So therefore, we're able to interact with it.
You are a vibration. You are a harmonic individual vibration. and anything that is not vibration of exactly you
is in phase opposition of you so therefore it seems to be physical matter
well i guess for the summaries i'm still not sure that's uh i guess that's the beauty of it
there could be a simulation may not be perhaps it is is. Perhaps we'll never know. You can look at it as a simulation.
It's a great term for it.
It's a very good analogy or metaphor for the explanation of what it is for sure.
But it's like a holographic projection.
If you had a movie with a projector on the inside of a lamp,
and you had the
lamp totally painted but like it's in a ball and then you poked a bunch of holes
inside the lampshade so all of a sudden there's just little bits of light coming
out all over the place that would be the holographic projection of this 3d
reality and the stars and the systems and below that and those little breakups
of light and the pattern of light starts what we would call what this is life, right?
It starts forming patterns which end up being emergence of life and consciousness expressing and observing itself.
Energy never dies.
It never, you know, goes away. it's just an exchange back to itself.
So what's the difference between positive energy and negative energy then?
Nothing, it's duality.
In order for one to exist, the other has to exist.
It's perfect symmetry, palindromic symmetry.
It is the mirror and the reflection.
Wow, love it.
Love these chats.
Love the randomness of it. We start off talking about Chia and before you know it, we're on to basically, you know, obscure things that kind of make sense and probably would be the sort of thing a simulation would say.
like when you tunnel down into it, would the simulation make it,
like would it become more obscure when you get deeper into it or less obscure?
That's a weird thought.
Depends on your intention and what you're aligned with, right?
So like if you're seeking it for general purpose
and you're trying to like just understand it,
or if you're trying to use it for
harm or your own self-greed the it's going to answer back to what you're you're giving it
your intention of what you want from it you know like that's how it's a reactive universe
give and receive karmatic cycles well i like the sound of that uh yeah well let's let's chat about
chia a little bit more i guess because i'm still uh i'm probably more high than i should be but
uh what do you think is going on with chia in the last week or two. Um, besides, uh, prices.
Yeah. Well, what's happening with the price?
Um, not sure. Again, I, I've been a pretty head down into my work,
so I haven't honestly been paying too much attention.
Yeah. Good on you. attention I'm gonna check now I think it was $11 last I checked they're gonna do have something that happened
this week I can mention in a second but they've said that they're gonna start
selling cheer directly to people from their bank which is a bit of a like before they yes launched with clawbacks too definitely we
definitely won't sell anything from the pre-farm before we ipo and now all of a sudden it's we're
selling it directly to people directly through their banks so that was in the last week or two. In fact, it may have even been announced in Toronto, but yes, it was.
Yeah. I don't know what to make of that. Well, I do know what to make of that.
They've lied. So the price is a problem, but yeah,
I can only see it going lower and lower now.
I don't see it ever going up personally but i guess gene had said in toronto
we'll see if this happens but um that they should be slowing down and or end if we're stopping the
pre-farm the need for pre-farm sale with uh start of stonk um in June July yeah but if it's for me once shame on you for
me twice show me if someone lies to me once I'll never believe them again so
they may they could say that and then you wouldn't mean anything because
they've lied once so why don't they just accelerate the pre-farm
sales later you wouldn't know so i'm very i don't really trust anything now i'll share the clip of
them saying they would never sell the pre-farm before the thing but when we talk about price
that has to be a massive like if one entity 80% of the supply and they've lied about if they'd sell it, how can the price ever go up again?
Unless they just sell the whole pre-farm off just like that.
And then the price will definitely collapse.
So it's not looking good for the price that is.
Obviously, what's built on it and stuff. Things that run with NFTs,
signing mechanisms and chat applications.
That doesn't need the price to go up,
but it certainly encourages building.
Let me get the...
Okay, I'll tell you what.
I'll play the clip then.
Let me play this clip.
Play the clip.
Play that clip.
Play the clip, man. Wait, wait. You got to play the X play that clip play the clip man wait wait you gotta play the x files music before
i can whistle it
Where did I save it?
Okay, I know where it is.
It's in the cheer folder, of course.
I found it.
I'll play this.
How long is this?
Is it a minute 40?
So this was before the...
No, this was before the Chia Network launched.
So this is...
I'm going to guess it was like late 2020 or early 2021.
Hopefully the sound is on my PC.
If the sound doesn't come through here, please tell me.
I'm going to hit play now.
Can you hear that yeah can you hear that that's good I'll play again and from this from the top this is about a one minute 40 clip so we're trying to be the smart people on the block, do it the right way so that the genius of Chia
can actually flourish and change the world.
Great.
So a question from the crowd.
Can you give us more details on how you plan to use
strategic reserve prior to the IPO?
This is a bit of a shock for some on the size.
So the answer to the first part is probably
not doing anything with the strategic reserve
prior to getting an IPO or whatever we do.
We would like to make sure that we have actively embraced the SEC and chosen a path that we
may think is comfortable for them.
And then we want to kind of answer that question about exactly how we can use the coins once
we're a public company because it's just a very different conversation in the SEC once
you're a file of the reporting company.
You know, I understand the thought that this is what's bigger shot.
I don't necessarily see it as much.
I certainly think it's different than what other people have done before.
But no one's done this to have a supporting company that's kind of immediately capitalized.
And it's important to know the company's valuation is going to fall with the coin price, not vice versa.
I think a lot of folks have a sense that some of the stock market will set the coin price.
I think it's going to work in almost exactly the opposite way.
And with farmers being the only people who get coins in hand other than someone lending will do uh you you guys are going to be the ones who set the price um you know
it's going to be how hard do you have a lot yeah in particular worth re-emphasizing we're not selling
we're not dumping we're not doing that yeah um you know that was one part of it from like an hour and 20.
But he, Gene, clearly said that the only people who are going to get the coins are the farmers
and a few people we lend it to.
Well, fast forward to 2025, they're now selling it directly to people through the bank directly.
So that 80 percent of the giant prefarm they said that they weren't
going to monetize it basically hence why everyone farmed it and built stuff on it and now they
actually are going to sell it to people directly that's completely they've broken what they said
before the before it started so you can say what you like about that, but I don't see the price ever recovering because of that clip.
Basically that's just my take,
but I was $10 38 right now.
So yeah,
I will expect that they're just going to sell more and more of it and it'll
go down.
I don't really see it being any other way,
but I mean,
is that too pessimistic?
I have not been waiting on SAC Daddy for quite some months.
What's that? What does that mean? I don't understand.
Waiting on them to make price go up.
I don't think you're waiting for them to make price go up.
They've made the price go down.
That's what I'm saying.
Like, I haven't had faith or necessarily like,
like a feeling of that is necessarily a direction or necessarily a motive
that they're trying to do right now.
Yeah.
I mean, I would never have got in cheer
if I thought I had to rely on other people
to make the price go up.
I thought that was my job.
So I've always, from the start, wanted to do that.
I mean, hence hosting spaces
and building people's personalities up
and promoting and dropping teases
for people who can do spaces later,
all this sort of stuff. That's definitely not relying on someone else to make the price up that's trying to make the price
go up but in the middle of that after 2023 they broke the promise and then started selling the
pre-farm so they've caused the price go down that's not waiting for them to pump the price
that's they've lied and other people have tried to rise
raise the price and then they've capitalized it broke their promise and have essentially lied to
everyone that's my take on it yeah again i've just i've been blinders up the last uh last 100 days
or so just that's been my focus and instead of waiting and and you know what
i mean i'm still going to participate because the for the community necessarily and that's what i
believe in in the tech that we're going to build through it but um not necessarily waiting on you
know the enterprise side of it well no it's not waiting on the enterprise side that that would be wrong that's i've got no
interest in the enterprise side but what i'm saying is they basically cause the price to be low
so everyone who's building on it who wants it does help if the price is high that's for sure
it's not the end of the world but if chia was say it
was 40 now it'd be so much easier to uh get people to sell nfts on it because the money they made on
cheer over the last years hadn't just only gone down if you see what i mean like i i told friends
in 2021 by chia whatever oh well maybe i shouldn't of the pre-fund. Well, they promise they won't sell it.
So, you know, one of my friends bought it for like $1,500.
That's on him.
It's on me.
It's whatever.
But it's going to be really hard to persuade that person to come to Gia
and sell an NFT collector when it's only gone down.
So the price going down is the problem more than the
uh waiting for enterprise i mean i don't really think that much will happen with the enterprise side but we need like killer application that regular people could use that would really that
would help a lot but again it's hard if like unless it's being developed, it's kind of hard to do it.
I think you've got the right strategy in a sense is kind of being cross-chain or at least not linked to one chain only, like a cross-platform thing.
That's probably the safest.
But there's going to be a thought that comes out of this i think i don't
see how it could carry on now that they're going to sell it directly to people's banks i mean
i don't even know why they would do that i mean maybe they just well i i see more issues with
the hard fork right so like the the uh you know, NFT2 standard fixing, you know,
the immutable blockchain problems that, you know,
that we found with the lucky eight issue.
So what's like with the price being where it's at
and the farmers having to spend immense amount of times,
especially for like, again, I've talked to some of the farmers
who have like warehouses of farms, uh, in like Poland, right? Like they're, they're commercially
invested into this. Um, and they have warehouses of Gia farms. Um, and like those people, how much
effort is it going to take to, to replot all those farms with all the new plot formats?
Like it's going to be an immense effort,
especially at the,
the,
like the price point.
It's like that shift or like how people who don't see that that's the
update,
who are just like letting it be in the background and like all of a sudden
their farms are going to stop because they're no longer like mining the
right blocks.
Great point.
Yeah.
That is a bigger deal,
isn't it?
People are more likely to vote with whether they replot when that happens.
Yeah.
Very good point.
Very good point.
I don't know what percentage of,
let's say start with a hundred percent.
Let's say of all the hundred percent of plots right now,
what percentage do you think will upgrade to the new plot format and replot?
I don't know.
So something I had been working on in the background is working on a
possible plot solution, uh,
combining both aspects of both Bladebit and Mad Max. So like having one compression
algorithm that will speed up the overall speed of plotting, maybe not as fast as Mad Max,
but it also offers some form of percentage of compression. So best of both worlds reducing the overall time and increasing the space so it's
not just like a one-for-one trade where you're like okay well i'm replotting the same exact
amount of plots like the same amount of space like at least if you're doing something like that when
that comes up excuse me you're able to at least get some sort of benefit out of replotting to
the new format of it, like added, you know, amount of space and let's say 15, 20% of,
you know, more plots on your drives.
Yeah, I think that, yeah, yeah, it's, I don't think that more than 50, excuse me, I don't think more than 50% will replot.
Because there's a lot of hard drives out there with cheer on it.
I know a few people have mined it since the start, because I just, I said, so, you know, why don't you do this?
Telling them now, you know, those plots, you've got to go back and install this and upgrade that to do that.
I just don't see myself recommending it, and I don't see them doing it either.
So I could imagine if they got to 50% replot, I think that would be a good outcome.
80%, well, I don't feel it would be that high.
But even if it was 80, that's still 20%.
That's a fork there, isn't it?
That's a different blockchain altogether psychologically.
So one way or another, we're going to end up with forks out of this, I think.
I would be shocked if it doesn't happen.
So the question is, what does the Chia look like then in a year,
18 months when there's Chia CNI version and then the unupgraded version, the old plot format.
What does that look like?
It's kind of interesting.
I think that that is,
you know, that's one of the beautiful things
about blockchain is you could start with one blockchain
and kind of have two at the end of it
rather than one replacing another.
So I think that that's likely, but yeah,
I see a lot of people not up, not re-plotting
because of lack of trust of things that were promised
about the price and stuff, and people just money talks,
I guess, I can't be bothered doing it.
Like, it's not worth it, I guess.
So there's gonna be different forks out of this somewhere,
but I don't know exactly what.
Kind of interesting, but I need some butter.
I've been advocating for Bitcoin too.
I know that, but... Okay, nearly done.
I'm just making a turbo coffee, as they call it.
Coffee with butter.
But I say just take the OG plots and just launch Bitcoin too.
That's what I say.
Community run, no pre-farm, four-year halvings, boom.
There you have the Pepsi to the cheer of Coke
and one can compliment the other.
That's what I think.
Welcome, everyone.
Good to see you guys in the audience.
Mike, Leoval, I think LeafyK, if you guys would
like to come up, chat, chia, or about anything really, please do.
We're kind of bouncing from simulation to chia price chat to what happens after the plot
format change.
Do we have forks?
I think we do.
Chia is like 270th at the moment.
Good, and the Bitcoin's at 101,000.
Ethereum is 2,400.
There's, you can't really do much with Ethereum there.
Not sure if Bradley's still there, may have glitched.
The old co-host glitch. Let me remove you as co-host Bradley.
I don't like doing that, but if that's what's got you out.
And then it'll pop back up i guess
to bitcoin.org you I'm back, baby.
Guess who's better.
Sorry about that.
Guess you got glitched again.
Your co-host glitched.
It was my fault.
I accidentally hit the X.
I was trying to share the room,
and then I accidentally hit the x coming back in
um and then it co-host glitched me oh well it should be fixed now well i guess it was may the
4th 4th of may 4th may the 4th be with you i went ahead and bought rented i rented the
to bitcoin.org name the original bitcoin was bitcoin.org. I looked up
bitcoin2.org. It's not available, but 2bitcoin.org was. And I thought, you know what, as a second
choice, that's not too bad. Bitcoin2 would be better, but 2bitcoin is the second most logical,
I think. So I've got the 2bitcoin.org name. and over the coming weeks and months I'm going to try and persuade a developer to edit the Chia code and launch Bitcoin 2 and use the Bitcoin name to compete with the basically missing in people's mind Chia name, which has never been the best name.
So, yeah, I guess that's my big news.
I'm not really promoting it too much for different reasons,
but I'm going to keep chipping away at the tree.
How could you legally use it in a way?
I wonder if that would classify as an original use of it.
As long as you didn't use the logo of
Bitcoin. And you're saying Bitcoin to the logo of Bitcoin.
You're in Thailand. So you fuck it.
It's a good question though, who would come after me like it's
there isn't a Bitcoin company, surely. I mean, that would
surely not. Surely no one could who could legally go after you yeah true satoshi himself would have
to come after you he'd have to come out of hiding it's a good dare yeah yeah that is a good dare
that is really cool yeah can we get Satoshi to come out with that
maybe very interesting point yeah I think that yeah I don't know is there a
foundation that could but then again if there's a foundation I've maybe they
legally own the image of it perhaps I could agree with that maybe if Satoshi transferred
it to someone else by law then again yeah there could be a trust yeah yeah we're thinking about
I guess legally it'll fall on my head that's fine I'm happy to take the risk I bring it on
I'll be outside court with my spaces app calling out the elite and deep slate,
deep slate, deep state.
And so I don't care.
Sue me.
I haven't been able to get the publicity I wanted.
So the more the merrier.
Yeah.
You have like a tin foil, like cowboy hat.
Well, I might actually do that by then just to sport the 5G waves out from
microwave in my head.
So that might be be that's a
funny idea a tinfoil cowboy hat yeah you're funny we're a baseball cat you know what i mean you
you like you make it funny you're like oh my tinfoil hat we're like oh that's a really good idea
because then that really plants the seed that people are trying to normalize tinfoil hat wearing.
So maybe there's something to it.
That's really funny.
Tinfoil baseball gloves.
Like what are the other hats you could use?
You could only play wiffle ball with an aluminum glove.
Well, otherwise we'd rip right through some t-ball maybe like yeah you've got your cowboy hat what
what other hats have you got uh you got baseball caps you got uh the little driver's caps you know
the little like chauffeur caps. Oh yeah. You got,
yeah,
there's all kinds of hats,
right?
Like one of those little driving hats,
but one meter wide rather than small.
Yeah.
Like a swambrero,
whatever it is.
Like you have a,
you have like a Cuban,
like the Cuban hats.
Yeah.
And there's those Asian rice hats
that people wear in the sun to
when they're carrying stuff like
in the midday.
That would be a tinfoil hat.
A straw tinfoil hat.
It is true though. There's going to be
a day when it turns out tin foil on your head actually is
more healthy for you with uh what's going on the 5g is definitely a weapon there's no doubt so i'm
just i was in laos a week or two ago i guess and uh vientian and yeah they did put in the 5g in
there now like the whole pavement of the city center was just dug up and you could see these
thick 5g power draw cables being ready to be put in so they're still putting it out there it's
definitely a weapon so at some point I love the idea that people all around the world are gonna
have to look in the mirror and be like you know what should I put tinfoil on my head to maybe
protect myself but but then again it could multiply the strength of the wave, though.
So if it was a long-range psyop,
maybe the conspiracy there is put tinfoil on to think they're safe
and it multiplies the strength of the 5G going into their brain.
I don't know.
So it may not even be a good idea,
but the fact that people are talking about this sort of thing,
people are talking about this sort of thing is i find that intriguing i mean if i was a person who
I find that intriguing.
wanted to make profit off of political division i would go and sell tinfoil hats uh to opposing
people at political rallies be like okay that's brilliant yeah why not it that's a funny idea
be a good comic strip as well
yeah there was something today
about I saw a tweet
that Musk was saying that Trump
was on Epstein's list
I mean I don't know if you saw
that story
no I didn't
yeah quite surprising yeah there's been a lot I don't know if you saw that story. No, I didn't. Yeah.
Quite surprising.
There's been a lot that's coming out about that and Diddy and stuff. Again, I've been nose down in work.
I've been trying not to get too much of that kind of drama TMZ stuff.
Drax coming up.
We'll see if he won his softball game or not.
They were on a four-win hitter so far.
Four in a row, is that?
Yeah.
Wow.
I don't think that, like the head of the media saying that the president is on a
sex traffic pedophile Satanist Island list I won't call that TMZ news that's
pretty much like one of the biggest things ever but they must be in cahoots
so drac is coming up again must have glitched out well i
think musk and peter till they're all in cahoots so it has to be theater to me anyway so what is
it for to me it screams that the world war three narrative is ticking down to they're just trying
to like make everyone confused at this way uh is dreck up yet? No, not quite. I hope it's not.
Yeah, you might have to spin the block.
Yeah, Drek.
Sorry, Drek.
Do a restart.
Twitter's been really glitchy the last couple of days,
or I should say X now.
Yeah.
Good evening, sir.
Hello?
Good day, sir.
How'd your games go?
Lost the first one by, like, two points.
Incredible game.
Really close.
We were ahead.
They came back.
They earned it.
Great team to play. Really cool. And then second game. They came back. They earned it. Great team to play.
Really cool.
And then second game, we came back hungry and we mercied.
So of six games, we've mercied four and won five.
So doing well this season.
Yeah, doing well this season.
Well, at least you balanced it out with one win, one loss tonight.
We didn't even mind
losing. It was one of those ones where they
earned it. It was fun. There was diving
plays. Nobody gave a shit about losing
at all. Yeah, because it was a good game.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Good evening,
Edward. Good evening to you, sir.
Hey, Drack, how's it going?
Good, buddy. How you doing?
Yeah, really good. How's the show been going the last week or so?
The show? Like the morning show?
Yeah, TLDR. I guess you're doing it every day. It's become normal for you at this point.
Yeah, it's just an everyday thing now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's going good, man. It's going good. I like the mornings.
Mornings are my favorite time.
Do you really love mornings?
You're just saying them because we do them during the mornings.
No, I love mornings.
You know me.
I'm up at four, five, six.
I love the mornings.
Jack, it was a play off of Anchorman.
I love Lamp.
Do you really love Lamp?
Are you just saying you love Lamp because it's there?
I'm too tired for that.
See, hence the example of why mornings are best.
Yeah.
I just gave you to say hello.
I'm probably not going to stick around for long.
I'm going to say hello, too.
Edward, how have you been, buddy? what have you been up to
yeah doing pretty good I was just saying a few minutes ago that I bought the 2bitcoin.org
URL on May the 4th so I'm gonna go full steam to get Bitcoin 2 launched and yeah so that's kind
of been I've kind of been thinking about that a lot and then i did a visa
run two weeks ago that was uh into laos that was that tied me out a little bit but now i'm getting
back into the rhythm to ramp up the energy a bit uh how many times are you allowed to do that like
how does that whole visa run thing work can you just do that indefinitely or
well you probably could if you knew the right person but if you've just got a regular passport
then you can do it probably three or four times i'd say you'd probably do it for a six months to
a year no let's say you can stay there for years as long as you keep doing that or is there
a limit on your total time in country there's no official limit but they do enforce it eventually
so the answer i think is no you can't although you could wiggle your way through but they have
five-year visas they've started giving them out a year ago so i need to apply for mine but
that's the way forward i just have to do the paperwork which is one of the things
I'm worst at or at least I put it off a lot nobody likes paperwork yeah even just
signing up for an email does my head in but
yeah the actual staying here is
if you've got like american british that sort of passport it's a lot easier than if you're from
some of the other countries where they don't give you free 60 days free or whatever so
it's uh not as strict as if i was ty going to england that's for sure
as if I was Ty going to England, that's for sure.
Just like appear on a train, come on in.
Yeah, aside from that, what else?
I managed to get in contact with Dave Gilmore's wife yesterday.
I've got this little reform Pink Floyd campaign going on
that I've been trying to turn the cogs of for the last couple of years.
And I finally figured out her name's Polly.
She's the one who basically Roger Waters is in a feud with.
It's pretty much her and Roger Waters who have fallen out more than Dave Gilmore and Roger Waters.
And I finally got a message to her yesterday.
Pretty interesting.
She did reply to it.
And it was to do with Palestine and Israel.
Basically, Waters is sort of anti-genocide, and she's anti-Waters.
And I said, Polly, if you keep going this route, because she runs his Instagram page.
That's why I know it's her.
I said, Polly, if you keep going this route, you're going to turn Roger into the good guy
because he's been saying what's going on in Gaza is bad.
But you're saying that Roger's the bad guy because he's picking on Dave Gilmore.
But most people don't care about their friendship.
They care more about the genocide.
So you're making Dave into the bad guy here.
And that was kind of my pitch.
Therefore, reform Pink Floyd and get out
of this and she replied again saying just to let you know this is actually not Dave's official
Instagram but someone else's so I don't know if that's the answer you expected but I'm trying to
reform Pink Floyd and I wouldn't say I'm getting close but I'm getting a little bit closer
uh given the last recent events
follow that and then launch bitcoin too as well
and stop world war three that's what it's all about
about, you know, I guess I'm not sure which way to, I guess, what's your take on what's
going on with AI and stuff like that right now?
I was chatting with...
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
I mean, I'm in love.
I'm in love with AI.
Absolutely.
I love everything that's happening with it um try
not to think about the bad too much try to focus on the the good stuff but the you know I
I can't put it down I can't can't put it and and I work 10 times faster now and things are just it's just a really great time to be here now with these tools no
complaints none it's a daily tool now it's running you know there's ai on all screens all systems
almost all the time now.
almost all the time now
I find I can be a lot more creative.
I'm already pretty creative,
but I find just some of the barriers are down
and some of the leashes are off.
I get to really run a little wild more now
because there's so much more time in the day.
You know, like I've probably gained
three hours to four hours of my day back more now because there's so much more time in the day you know like i've probably gained
three hours to four hours of my day back every day as like a consistent constant now compared to before so highly productive what do you think what's your take on it uh
uh i kind of stop on the well i think the ai is it's basically it should be a public
good that should just all be free because i think they've built it off the stolen private
data of the last 25 years so even though it's great and stuff i think that it's
if anyone should be paid for it,
like monthly subscriptions, it should be the people whose private data was stolen.
But that's a slightly different subject.
But I stumble on the use of the word AI as a term to describe it, because I feel it's
just computer programs that are running.
And they're basically lying and saying it's AI.
It's like advanced computer programs to me.
It isn't AI.
And so if they're, in my opinion, lying about what it is,
even though it's very good technically,
that is a bit of a disconnect.
It's like if they said,
that's a slice of cheesecake over there
and I'm looking at it, I'm like,
I swear this is like a sofa cushion.
No, no, that's like, don't worry,
it's the best new cheesecake. It sort of looks like a sofa cushion no no that's like that where it's the best new cheesecake it sort of
looks like a sofa cushion so that's that's my main thing is why is it called ai if it's actually a
computer program uh did you hear about that team do you hear about that team in india that got
busted like millions and millions of dollars posing as an ai company but they just had an
enormous amount of staff just doing all the answers and shit in the background dollars posing as an AI company, but they just had an enormous amount of staff
just doing all the answers and shit in the background,
just posing as AI.
That's funny.
Yeah.
That's smart in a way.
That's a long con.
You wouldn't think of doing that,
but that would probably work.
Yeah, enough people answering back fast enough you'll fool some people i think it's so
it's so ballsy it's so just like you're serious i can't believe yeah
you can never quite tell i mean i thought birdman was ai for the longest time i didn't say it too
often but i thought there's 80 birdman's ai and it sounds like he's not i. I didn't say it too often, but I thought there's 80% Birdman's AI.
And it sounds like he's not. I mean, I didn't meet him myself.
When you meet him, he looks like AI.
Yeah. Well, it's the situation is like AI. You're like, this isn't Birdman. Like,
it sounds like Birdman, but this must be Birdman's twin brother because
the energy of online versus in person definitely does does not match
maybe it's AI then I don't know maybe the person playing him fed it in and it's his voice I don't
know but yeah AI does raise questions about things like that you wouldn't have thought before like
do I know the person I'm talking to on a space is really a human?
A few years ago, I'd never have thought of that.
I'd just presume it was human.
But here we are, the future.
I think it's definitely a LARP, not an AI.
A what?
Sorry.
A LARP?
Live action role play? Live action role play? Ah action Rob I see I see what you're
saying yeah
oh I mean they've been pushing AI for so long. It's like they were Terminator 2.
That's what I think the future is going to be.
It isn't positive image, but I feel that saying something negative
that could happen is positive in itself.
So I worry that the future is robots running about,
and they've normalized AI by giving us it free.
And now Bob the robot, if you don't, I don't know,
stay within your geographical region,
Bob's going to just come and dismantle you over the hill if you try and escape your local area.
That's the future I'm trying to fight.
So Bitcoin 2 is the future to Bitcoin.org, Gene.
Come and mine Bitcoin 2, Gene.
I know you want to.
I know you want to download Bitcoin 2g and install it please do
coming soon caveat i don't know who's going to do it though i have to persuade someone to do it
that's that could be a bigger step but oh well never know if you don't try
you miss a hundred percent of the opportunities you don't try. You miss 100% of the opportunities you don't try for.
Good morning, evening, afternoon. Welcome everyone to the space. Thanks to Bradley for
being the star of this show for years now.
Literally years. And also
one of the two stars of
Mark and Ava, of course, with
Drak, who's on stage.
Great stuff.
Can't believe it's been years now. It's been the journey, Edward.
It's been a journey.
Oh, God, yeah.
I've loved
being in the Chia community. It's been the...
I think it's been the funniest time of my life, I'd say. Actually,
not just following something but kind of being a small part of it is... I find it amazing.
Well, the food himself
uh i'd love to know the food's opinion of a bitcoin too but you've got foods coming up to
the stage and ladies and gentlemen screw that guy screw that foods guy fucking goose
i'm going to bed though actually guys so hey for you okay can i just send a message
quick dm yeah what's up uh well
what's that
he's a ruggy rugger.
There you go.
Just what you need before you're about to go to sleep.
Something left open in your mind.
Is the food going to reappear?
He's connecting. something left open in your mind is the foods gonna reappear is connecting sure
he'll spin back up welcome everyone to the room a helicopter going overhead
think I may have that may have been a false alarm there.
I'll send food to an invite, see if he jumps back up.
Imagine Bitcoin 2 second in the world after bitcoin one as the top blockchain ever no pre-farm no lies
just bitcoin two is foods back up
oh well maybe we'll never know.
I guess track has gone goodnight track.
So what's the latest on the Trump Epstein Island thing.
Bum, bum, bum.
Elon Musk confirms cheer community member Bradley Wallace
was seen getting off the
Air Force One.
Oh, no.
Colin.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Yeah, I was planning the cameras.
Yeah, I was planning the cameras.
Is that what is?
Did they use tag talk wireless to communicate from island to island?
Yes.
Serverless web RTC, no dropping communication.
No one will know, Pinky.
We'll take over the world.
Blaine! I know we chatted a while back about possible names and faults so let's say bitcoin 2 doesn't launch that's just doesn't happen for one reason or another you've got chia the original and that
uses a new plot format what do you think that the like the other chain would be called
hmm i mean you can name it anything really.
If you're going to fork it.
I guess the default would be Chia Classic.
That would be the traditional default.
But, I mean, I think someone would maintain it.
I think that someone just did something for the original plots because they've already been built.
It's like a housing network that's just sitting there.
You'd almost think that the hard fork would be the parabolic shift in which
would be the starting point in which it goes off. Kind of like Bitcoin,
Bitcoin classic or Ethereum classic, I should say.
Yeah, that was from the, I mean, they called it hack.
It was more of a, someone exploited the bug
and then they rolled the chain back
and they would like, okay, the original one is Ethereum
and the new one is, sorry, the original was Ethereum Classic
and the new one became known as Ethereum.
And that was basically a re-edited blockchain,
which you shouldn't really do.
And they kind of broke the card. A semi-immutable, semi-immutable chain. was basically a re-edited blockchain which you shouldn't really do and they
kind of a semi-immutable semi-immutable yeah it's immutable well I accept that I
I accept that.
I think there'll be three.
There'll be Chia, Chia, just the original.
There'll be the, let's say it's called Unity.
That'll be the leftover OG plots from Chia.
And then there'll be the Bitcoin, too.
That'll be my guess.
Those three.
One will become three.
I think Foods is back on stage. I think
Dropped Out Foods when you... Yeah,
I missed him. I sent him a DM. It's
okay. That would
be a great name, Edward. Unity?
That was actually
your name. My wife is sick again.
Oh, sorry.
I just had that message
tracked. Let him know I'm going to be TKO'd for a few days.
It's fucked up, man.
No good.
No bueno.
I was going to say, if he does get a message,
I can make sure he gets in the morning.
Yeah, just make sure he reads it.
It's a long bullshit story.
My wife's just...
Long story short, my wife's
pretty much in critical condition.
Sorry. Prayers?
She got a blood clot in her stomach.
Oh no. Pluspartum complication?
No. Possibly because she gained a little bit of weight,
but she has heart problems and
she has kind of ongoing heart issues.
She's had two heart attacks before.
Never a blood clot. It's her first blood clot.
But yeah, the
doctors think it was
not necessarily postpartum, but
because when she got pregnant, she
kind of thinned out on the,
blood thinners a little bit.
Cause when you're getting pregnant that you're not supposed to like go,
on heavy blood thinners.
so she,
that might've contributed it,
but we don't know yet.
but yeah,
she's pretty fucked up right now.
She's in,
like a induced a coma with like the ventilator and everything.
I was pretty fucked up today when I went.
Jeez, man. Intubated?
I'm really sorry.
That's just kind of everything there.
But everything else is okay. Baby's fine.
She's here with me. She's crashed out.
Mom's fine. She's stable.
She's just in for a long couple
days and a long recovery.
Jeez, send a prayer. Dude, I was riding such a high, too, man.
I just fucking took all the wind out of myself.
I don't even know how to get to Texas.
We'll see what I can do.
Sending love, bud.
Yeah, man.
Thanks, guys.
See, I just pray for my wife if you're like that.
It was a rough day, man.
Pray for your wife and Drac's mom, too.
She's in rough condition right now, too, in the hospital.
Yeah, she got shingles on her eyeball, and she might lose her eye.
Ooh.
That doesn't sound fun.
Fuck, man. I got a weird thing with my eyeballs too
That would fuck me up dude
I don't know
Yeah it's just an incredible amount of pain
That sounds fucking painful man
Yeah thankfully my wife's not in any pain right now
She's fucking
She doesn't even know where she is
She's basically
Just living off a team.
In La La Land.
Oh, yeah. She's fucked. I was there today, man. It was crazy.
She wasn't even...
She's basically in a catatonic state.
It's fucking crazy to see somebody in that state.
But, yeah. It was just another
fucking emergency bullshit
so I figured I'd let Jack know
because we are working on a couple things
so just wanted to be like
yeah, if I'm not answering your
emails or I'm not
attending stand-ups or
you know what I mean? Like if you've got
any questions, I might not be immediate
to your response.
But yeah, she has another surgery at 11 a.m. tomorrow.
So hopefully we will know more.
I'm kind of positive and optimistic that she'll be off the ventilator
and out of the ICU by this weekend, hopefully.
But she's been there for...
She was there all day,
mostly yesterday and all day today, so.
I was actually, uh, during the
Meme World Championships last night, I was
actually in the fucking hospital.
It was hard to meme, man. I was not,
I was not feeling it, but I just had to
fucking
be there, so.
It was a fucking rough day. It was hard to me, man.
I'm glad I won.
Sorry, brother.
If I was closer,
I'd give you a fucking hug, but...
I know.
That's rough, man.
It's not...
Nothing anybody can do.
Nothing I can do.
So...
It's taking it day by day.
But, yeah.
When it fucking rains,
it pours in Foodsville, man.
But, good news is I'll probably get the rest of the year off, hopefully.
Like from my actual job.
Oh, no, no, I don't like the circumstances.
But hey, time off work's always good.
But yeah, it's fucked up, man.
Like, Jesus Christ
I might pop uh drop down here again
sorry to hear that
you guys are you guys are family so
it's not big deal if you guys know
yep well we'll talk if you guys know. Yep.
Well, we'll talk to you guys soon.
And, you know, keep on fighting the good fight.
I'll be in the background making sure everybody stays in line.
Yeah, thanks for everything you do, Food.
Head of the Men World Championships there, ladies and gentlemen.
The Visionary Foods.
You just never know edward right like any second what what can happen and who's gonna pop up what we're gonna talk about i mean think of what we're talking about the consciousness
and existence to you know some any second just people walking in that's what these Thursdays have been about for years yeah it's real life that's what it is thinking of the foods uh tomorrow morning I think he said so I've got a weird title today, Chia AI Peanuts. I don't really know what that means, but I
could change it. I suppose it's original at least. Better than she AI penises. All the leaves are brown and the sky is blue.
Is it blue?
All the leaves are blue and the sky is blue.
No, it's grey. That's grey. and the sky is gray.
That's great.
If I got that wrong, that would have been a...
All the leaves are brown and the sky is magenta.
I was being, I was being, yeah, exactly.
Yeah, exactly. I was being funny. I'm like, well, no, this guy's like gray. This guy's blue.
I was being funny.
I'm like, well, no, this guy's like gray.
This guy's blue.
Maybe you could use an RGB color code in the sky.
All the leaves are brown in the sky. Yes, I am. In the sky, yes, I am On winter's day
I am So here's what Dave, here's what Polly Sampson said, just for clarification, we are not David.
We cover his work, tours and anything news related to him.
David's official page is at David Gilmore.
Obviously, Gilmore's not going to reply to it.
That would be many followers, but there it is.
You never know.
That is true.
I should tweet at least.
I mean, Elon tweeted back to DSP, right?
So, you never know.
Titty. that's cool
i've got my own conspiracy theory about that i don't know if i should enter it
oh let's hear it i think digital space wait wait wait put on put on your your tinfoil cowboy hat
oh i need a i need one now just to hook it off i could imagine you could mesh it
into the shape of a cowboy hat quite easily of course yeah you could have a little shape
the shape go use paper mache or like a balloon well you use like a metal press right you just
make a little metal press and you throw a bunch of tin foil in it a bunch of sheets together
and it like all it pushes all together so sheets together, and it pushes it all together.
So you just keep pressing cowboy hats.
It'd just be like three rolls of tinfoil.
What's that, like $5 or something?
And then sell it for, I don't know, $400.
Anti-5G technology.
But yeah, my conspiracy theory about digital cowboy hat on,
tinfoil cowboy hat on is
he basically it was I tweeted at Mark Andreassen something that
probably wouldn't have expected to see. And then it was Mark Andreassen who retweeted space
bought later. I don't think that may be linked but i
think digital spaceport has a video that he recorded with someone where
that video counts as legal evidence of something or other for someone are you saying that dsp is
on epstein's list is that what you're saying i No, I'm definitely not.
What video evidence are you talking about?
The interview that he did with someone about the 90-day something is important with regard to legal evidence following the white paper.
So basically, I think Space Spaceport did a really important
video that he's taken down and the Marc Andreessen popped up after it was taken down in my opinion to
curry favor with spaceport so that they've got him on side that's my opinion no I'm not saying
space what knows what's going on at all but the timing was mighty suspicious so yeah there you go
spacebook deleted his videos after the poor investor whitney webb story about cheer he
just took them all down so i never spoke to him about it, but I can,
that definitely happened. And one of the videos was Rothschild, by the way.
If I haven't said that directly, I think he's Jacob Rothschild's oldest son.
So he's a grade A psychopath.
And for whatever reason, he's Gene's boss. So make of it what you will. I suspect Gene doesn't know
that his boss is basically sacrificing his children. And at some point he will, and hopefully
will do the right thing at that point. But I'm just kind of sitting here. Okay. Well when that news comes out reform Pink Floyd release Bitcoin, too
We have a path forward now
My fingers for now
again and again until he turns up or he doesn't but
That's what I also asked gene in the discord the other day
Has he given my message to Marc Andreessen yet?
And he said he hasn't yet.
So I can follow that up as well.
A little magic quarter, so to speak, I could throw into the system. yeah I'm gonna post in Dave Gilmore's wife's reply to what I said yesterday
I'll pin it to the top hopefully if people see it they can find the thing. Okay it should be pinned now.
I don't know if it's... it hasn't gone in. Well check my... if anyone wants to look at my page
there's a Twitter profile called David Gilmore Tour that's run by basically a former member of oh it's up there now I've
pinned it so that was a reply I got yesterday
David has been part of many Palestinian charities and charitable events just because Roger is very
vocal and David is a much quieter soul who would say much quieter soul than someone who knows him
personally and tends to stay out of the media and politics doesn't
mean anything in regards to his views these were even Palestinian there were even Palestinian
charitable events that David was responsible for creating that Roger took part in such as the
Hoping Foundation concept in 2010 but that is just one example so I don't love the idea that dave gilmore is sat there talking to his the woman
he's married to responding to a message that i sent yesterday that puts a smile on my face
of whatever you say about ai and all the rest of it i just love that little detail
I think it will happen. I think Pink Floyd will reform. I honestly do. I think it's inevitable.
I just think that it's like you're either anti-genocide or not, really. It's like you
either look the other way when a genocide's going on or you don't. I don't, although I
probably did for a number of years, but I think the genocide in Gaza's been going on
for longer than the last couple of years,
but when I look back.
But ultimately, Roger is against it.
David would surely be against it,
and then Polly's kind of quietly not being against it.
So she's turned David heel, basically, in this.
So that's why I think they will reform because otherwise she's
turned her husband into the bad guy when he's the best guitarist ever so if i look at the numbers
unless it's a simulation see the start of the space i do think pink ploid will reform from this
but nothing is guaranteed.
Boom.
There you have it.
Pink Floyd news.
Well, yeah, should we wind the space down?
It's almost two hours, but not quite.
But if anyone wants to come up, please do.
Otherwise, we'll wind down and end on this yeah I have a crazy long day the next two days I'm running sound at a large college event for the next couple
days so that would be good awesome you're still doing lots of sound work
then I still do a little bit of everything my buddy needs help so i'm
helping him out good on you yeah shout out to you and yeah shout out to madison again i hope she's
doing well and yeah we send our thoughts out to the foods and the food's wife who's currently in
a coma as food said earlier in this space and And she's got another operation tomorrow, he said, in space.
Fingers crossed.
And send your love, prayers to Food and his wife.
And, yeah, much love, Food.
Yeah, well, what should we close on then?
The final thought or the final topic?
Should we do one more topic
or one more thought?
Final thought.
Okay then.
Well, what's the final thought?
Don't be
Don't be a shitty person.
a shitty person.
That's it.
That's it.
How can I not be a shitty person?
What's the...
Is there anything I can take away from how not to do that?
Walk with authenticity.
Love it.
Much love, brother.
Thanks for everything you do.
Yeah, much love, buddy.
You've been one of the top people that I've ever met.
And in this community, you've been so pivotal.
I always said you were the heart of the community,
and I think that that has really come to the fore.
So thanks for everything you've done.
And, yeah, sleep well.
Good luck tomorrow with the sound event and sending you my love.
Thanks, sir.
Much love, brother.
Great to talk.
