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🌱 Chia Community Spotlight #4 SpaceScan [ 🌱💑👁 ] ChiaSpace 🔺Gerald
Recorded: Dec. 22, 2023 Duration: 2:56:13Space Recording
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Amen.
Amen.
Scratch by the wonderful Gerald Neal, whose Pyramid Coin is currently selling
like hotcakes, I think there's 14 of them out, and that song, Scratch, was by Gerald
Neal, so the musician Gerald Neal, as well as the artist.
Welcome all to another Art Thursday.
Firstly, the sad news, if people didn't know, he's fine, I guess, but Bradley has broken
his ankle in three places.
He's obviously not fine in that sense, but he's not dead or anything, so I suppose in
that sense, it's good news, he fell from a ladder.
Reports have said up to 15 feet high, so trying to picture that, that's 6'12", just less than
three of me, I'm pretty tall, so that's a big height.
He broke his ankle, he's currently awaiting surgery, I believe, so Art with Heart, thinking
of you, buddy, Art won't be here today, because according to the last update, he's struggling
with lack of sleep and pain and all the things that come with breaking your ankle in three
places, so that's the sad news.
Yeah, Bradley is okay, but not okay at the same time, so unfortunately he's a carpenter,
like Joseph, it's getting towards Christmas, isn't it, so the Joseph of Chia has broken
his ankle and is going to be out of work for, who knows, but three months, perhaps six, I've
been told, we'll see, but yeah, it sucks, but at the same time, I'm glad he's okay, so
yeah, if anyone wants to come up, good to see you guys, please do, SpaceScan should be
here soon, we're going to get chatting and find out all the things SpaceScan, I'm sure
we're going to be talking about inscriptions, the new currency invention of the last, when
was it, the last seven days or so, it's really quite big, I think, using the memo field as
a dynamic code, I suppose, I'm not really even sure what a dynamic code is, but it sounds
good, but the idea of putting a line of code in the memo field for a transaction, so it's
always on the blockchain forever, and then other centralized services could suck that data
up and create a, basically a rival to the cat token, the cat standard, which is what inscriptions
on Chia, at least initially, seems to be, so what the cat standard maybe was designed to
do, or maybe not, maybe it was never designed to do this, but the number of currencies in
the unimojo.io list, and they're all being minted out still, so if you're listening to
this, you can claim, essentially, free currencies, and this is what's responsible for the giant
rise in fees, which appear to have gone up 100,000x in overnight, pretty much, if that's
not exponential change, I don't know what is, but every transaction mints a varying number
of inscription currencies, it depends what the creator of the token stated, some of them
you can claim one at a time, some of them you can claim 10,000 at a time or more, and
some of the top ones have been XCHS, Mojo is minting out a lot, that's the Mojo inscription
coin, I think everyone should get some of that, because it ticks the box of, you know, naming
rights, the Mojo is, of course, the single unit of Chia, in a sense, like the Satoshi in
Bitcoin, and Mojo Nation, throwing it out there, that's what, sorry, I'm running a little bit
of a cough here, but Mojo Nation was seemingly the most extensive vision of Bram that is out
there publicly, he said different stuff about his vision, and there's some interesting quotations
linked to Bram about what he's trying to achieve, if they're to be believed, but the Mojo Nation
vision, he's talked about that in the past, so for me, Mojo Nation, though he said that,
he said jokingly, it will never happen, I'm not sure if he was joking, and in actual fact,
it will happen, but the idea of single unit transactions driving the whole ecosystem, I
think that that's what I think the vision is, so wherever the human readable name Mojo
crops up, I think it's worth paying attention, so in this case, the unimojo.io inscription,
Mojo coin is, looks pretty exciting to me, so check that out, there's,
the double seedling one sold out pretty quickly, because you're only allowed four digits, but
if you use an emoji, I think some of the emojis count as one, some of the emojis count as two,
so the seedling seems to count as two digits, so with four digits, you're allowed two seedling
emojis, whereas the smiley face, each smiley face counted as one unit of language, let's say,
so you're allowed four of them, and I think that no one has claimed one of them yet, so
lots going on, the transaction fees on cheer are very high, it's, I'm still trying to accept an offer
for one of slowest time world's pieces of art, still pending, which is, I suppose, nice and sad at the
same time, are the days of low transaction fees gone forever, or is this a temporary thing, I'm not
sure, I, I could make an argument that, it may never go down, for different reasons, but my fingers
are crossed that they do, because I'm hoping to do some 10,000 mints in the next few days, but
if that doesn't happen, the golden era is gone, we missed it, and if it comes back, then it'd be a
good time to take advantage of it, so good to see you, Steve, in the audience, we're going to do a
community spotlight with Steve next, probably next week, it could be later, but hopefully the next one
will be community spotlight, numero five, so good to see you, Steve, I'm drinking coffee with whiskey
right now, that's a sign of, sign of the times, yeah, if any of you guys want to come up, please
do, because it'd be good to chat about inscriptions, and hopefully Space Gun will be here soon, yeah,
super exciting time, we've got, Ace Vale has just launched a premium service on Mintgarden,
which I think gives you a unique profile, I just saw this last night, so if anyone knows the details
of that, then perhaps we can discuss that as well, premium on Mintgarden, and I think the slowest time
Lord John, unless he's minted stuff anonymously, pseudo anonymously, I think that the cheerleaf
collection he's just minted out appears to be his first NFT collection, so if you're a fan of first,
then check out slowest time Lord John's, I'm not sure what it's called, year in review, I think it's
called, and there was an animation going around Twitter two days ago, I guess, yesterday, and
it shows a word picture of the year-to-date as linked to Steve Steps, fantastic, this week in cheer,
which I'm sure we'll get into next week, talking about the child prodigy Steve Steps, who's been
programming, I thought since eight, turns out it was seven, so the cheerleaf that John created,
slowest time Lord, he'll always be cheer links to me, but slowest time Lord shows the, basically the
frequency of words that appeared most in this week in cheer in the year 2023, and it's, it's very
interesting, uh, I suppose it's through the vision of Steve Step, that's one thing to note, but he,
he's very, uh, unbiased, it, you know, you can trust Steve, and the key words that came up in order
were, the first word was cheer, I'm not sure if that was by default the number one, but cheer was number
one, Twitter was number two, and then space was number three, so I think that says a lot, the
Twitter spaces have really driven a lot of cheer in the last year, at least according to this week
in cheer, I'm sure there's other, other independent views might have a different take on it, but I
thought that was super cool, so check out slowest time Lord's this year in review, which is linked to
this week in cheer, that's pretty cool, so, uh, yeah, I'm not sure what, what else to
talk at length about, I could keep going on about inscriptions, but, uh, yeah, what's everyone's
take on it, what is the vibe, is, is this a fad, or is it, uh, the next big thing, my feeling is it's
the next big thing, because this idea of a memo feel linked to codes or perceptions in the future,
I mean, it could be for anything, I mean, it could literally be used for anything, she is cheering
complete, so I don't see why those independent codes couldn't represent anything in the future,
you know, hey Klaus, good to see you, Klaus, really good, yeah, go and check Klaus's space out, not right
now, but Klaus ran a space on inscriptions a few days ago, that was really cool space, so go and
check it out, yeah, how are you feeling about inscriptions, is it the next big thing, or is it
a passing fad? I really think it's actually the next big thing, um, reason being, it just, it blew up
on, um, PTC, and it seems to be spreading to other chains, you look around, you'll see these other
chains starting to do inscriptions as well, um, just because, I guess because it's something new,
um, I don't, I actually don't think it's actually a fad, I'm looking at it as getting into, uh,
something early in the space, basically, like, for down the line, you can probably do other things
with it, I'm thinking of, like, having inscriptions in the DAO as well, I don't know if anybody had a
chance to look at, um, the Discord today, uh, they were talking about Chia DAO, and I read
some, uh, passages on that today, uh, it's looking very promising in the long run, in terms of putting,
like, um, inscriptions in it, and, uh, cats as well, so yeah, um, 2024 is going to be, uh, an
exciting year for crypto, I think.
Yeah, I noted that in the space you ran the other day, someone came in, it sounded like there
were, I guess, from the Bitcoin inscriptions, the Chinese guy, and he was saying that, you know,
he was, he was just interested in that word inscriptions, it's almost like he didn't care
what it meant on Chia, it's just the, is it an inscription, like, it's, it's a, it's the next
big thing, but it, it could be a, a combination of the next big thing, and a fad, in the sense
that it's, like, a hype thing, like, what is this shiny thing inscriptions, so, yeah, uh,
yeah, a lot of people still don't understand it, a lot of people still don't, don't get
it yet, don't understand it, uh, hopefully as, um, the weeks go on, more and more persons
become aware of it, I've even seen, like, um, like, big companies looking into it as well,
like, and offshore bankers as well, so, they must be doing something right on the Bitcoin
side, if you have, like, major companies and offshore bankers looking into it, so, let's
see if we can find some more use cases for it.
For sure, and to be clear, the memos on Chia are, are not prunable, this, these memos, as
I understand, it cannot be deleted, so, I think that's, I think that's very important, I don't
think that's the case on Bitcoin, though, so, that's a big strength Chia has, so.
Exactly, yeah, on Chia, they cannot be, uh, pruned, on BTC, they can, so, that's a great
advantage we have on Chia blockchain, per se.
Yeah, super exciting, I, I see that SpaceGam has jumped onto the stage, good to see you,
my friend, uh, how are you doing today, and, yeah, perhaps I could ask for your take on
inscriptions, uh, as we're on that topic, I'm sure we'll get into it later as well, but,
yeah, how's it going, SpaceGam?
Hey, uh, thanks, Edward, uh, are you able to hear me, or is it too much noise?
Yeah, loud and clear, you've been very clear.
Ah, okay, yeah, thanks for, like, uh, having the space, and, and sorry, like, a bit late
today, I'm just trying to put my, um, daughters to sleep, and, yeah, um, yeah, things are good,
and, uh, like, as most of our community members knows, right, like, there are huge, uh, changes
what we've been working on, and trying to serve in the space, and, uh, and, uh, we got a lot
of optimizations, and cost, especially on the cost side, uh, which we've been working on past few,
I think, month, month and off, um, that's why, like, it's kind of, like, quite, um, for a SpaceGam
side, because we want to ensure that whatever the components, what we have, is, is able to, um, run it
for quite a long time, and work perfectly, because there are a lot of, uh, differences in our services,
and a lot of opportunity to optimize it, so that's what we've been working on,
and now, I would say, like, it's kind of stable, um, yeah, and, uh, and, and I have to, uh, say
thanks, like, a lot of our community members, especially, when I was, um, sending out a post on
that, a lot of members, like, came out, and they supported it, and, um, they helped me with the
technical side, also on the cost side, on how to optimize a lot of the components, um, yeah, that, that
I couldn't imagine, like, uh, because when I was in a problem, like, everybody's trying to jump in,
and trying to help, um, like, start from Evergreen, Dexy, and Dennis, and so, like, uh, they supported
me on a lot of technical side, how they optimize the cost, and all, so that, those things, they
haven't, they don't need to, uh, expose and show me, or, uh, give me details on how they have done it,
right, so that shows how, uh, tight-knit community GIs, and everybody's looking after others, and
trying to help, uh, when they need, um, yeah, I love to be part of this community, especially,
like, you also reached out and said, like, okay, let's do the space, and, yeah, see, it shows, like,
how much community cares about one another, um, yeah, so that's where we are on, like, um, Space
Can will be running for quite a long time, and, uh, now we are in a good spot, I can be able to run
it, even without any much support for quite some time, and maybe for further development,
I have a few, a few, uh, streams I'm opening, um, that will help to make it, um, support the,
any future developments, yeah, that's about a Space Can, and good, and all the ins, inscriptions,
right, like, I've been trying to understand that part, and I'm learning certain things, and,
uh, mainly, like, one feature what is being asked most is, like, ability to see the memo,
uh, for every transactions, and, uh, till that time, now, like, I was thinking of, like,
why do, how, how to do it efficiently, because memo is a, it may take a lot more space, uh,
and now, it seems, it's a good case, like, I have to work that as an X, so every transactions,
whenever we load it in Space Can, they can able to see what is there in the memo field for
every transaction, that would help, um, I would say, um, on the inscription side, but the
any tooling which is needed for inscription on analytical side, that, I need to first
understand that, uh, because it seems on every chain out there, I have to spend some
time, after once all these things are settled down, I'll be sitting down, and, uh, working
on few things, in my pipeline, next is what I have is a data layer for, uh, Michael, because
a lot of things, cool stuff is happening there, and a lot of information needs to be brought
in front for normal folks to consume, and then, after that, probably, I'll be, um, getting
into instructions and trying to build tools or analytical information out of it, if, if
there is a need for a community, yeah.
Oh, um, Space Can, and Dexa is going to be released for descriptions on here, I think, sometime
next week.
So, it's, like, it's on Dexi, or, or there is a Dex is going to come in the space?
Uh, they're creating one, uh, process, uh, in the Dex, okay, all right, yeah, I have seen
some tweets, like, I think, from AXS team, right, they were saying, but, frankly, like,
I need to first understand that, before start doing it, but, uh, immediately, I'll be, maybe
in next few weeks, um, I'll be getting that feature out, where every transaction, we can
be able to see the memo, but, more than that, I need to first understand that, before doing
it, like, and, in, maybe, I'm not sure about the other chains, but, in Chia, how much it
is going to be a need, or how much it's going to serve, why, we need to see, because maybe
in other chains, it's not that much, uh, flexibility they have, so they brought in this feature, and
it has been, got, like, widespread adoption, but, in Chia, we have a cat and others, but,
one thing, what, I think, uh, slowest time lord, someone pointed out, is, like, if you
want to mint a cat, it costs a lot, but, in this, we can create a token without that much
of cost, but, I still want to see, um, how that is going to help Chia as a community, and
what are the tool sets it's going to bring in, and how long it is going to be there, so,
if there is a demand, and community is going to use it, and they're going to innovate something
on the space, definitely, we will be building something on that, um, yeah, but, I need to
see, if Dexy, or, uh, Tibet Swap, or, they are going to support it, then, definitely, I'll
be building something on it, if any other different Dex is going to come, we need to see how that's
working, um, yeah, it's certainly an exciting time, you rode some tough times there for a
while, didn't you, Spaceway, and you had a team, you know, a pretty big team, as I understood
it, and then, through the bear market, and all that, and then, yeah, you said that some
of the community members stepped in to help, I think you mentioned Michael Taylor did, and,
yeah, I'm curious who, who stepped in, and helped you, kind of, lower the costs, and, uh,
keep it feasible. Yeah, so, yeah, like, I used to have, like, around, like, 11 to 12 members
team, but now, it's cut down, like, um, I have, like, three to four developers, and few
designers, and, uh, two QA, that's where we are now, I just streamlined, on the cost of,
uh, maintaining a team, that part, I, uh, cut down, and the community members who stepped
up immediately, right, Spike, like, would say, like, he's the first person who reached out
to me, and he said, like, he can give me, um, X amount of money, without, for anything,
and he, he didn't expect me to give anything, to give back, right, but it's, it's, like,
Spike is a candidate-registered company, right, so, I, I'm not that, uh, in a way, like, how
to issues, uh, shares, and all those stuffs, right, and DAO is not there in shape. So, there
are a few options, options, I was exploring it, but he's the one, he didn't ask me, so, he asked
me, what is your monthly burn rate, and I can give you for a year, you can go ahead
and, like, that, I haven't said, uh, but I, I didn't take money from anyone, um, till
now, uh, because that's the one thing, you guys know, to me, in past two, two and a half
years running in this space, I, not even acknowledge this, uh, in, in, or even advertise anything,
right, because trust is, is an utmost thing for Chia, and why I love Chia is that, um,
they don't go and advertise, and for a short-term gain, they never do anything. So, that's the
one thing I like Chia, and that's what I also put in my team, how hard it is, we never going
to, uh, advertise or push anybody's name in front of it, that's why, like, we are very limited
on partnership, even minting NFTs, anything, right, there are a lot of opportunities came
in these two years, but I never, uh, wanted to take those things, because somebody's going
to gain, somebody's going to lose, right, it's, it's mostly like that in crypto, so that's
why, like, I, I cannot, uh, like, say who's a good, who's bad, until the time comes, right,
so that's what my experience in my previous crypto projects that I was very cautious on it,
I try to never take money from anyone, if they are okay to give a donation, it's fine,
so that means they have to willingly know that they're not going to get back anything
from us, then only those donations, only we accept it and we work on it, right, so that's
how, till now we are, like, when Michael came up, and he said, like, okay, we can, I can
give you something, and we can run it, but still, like, I was trying to have, is there any
option I can keep it, reduce that cost, and I can run it, and then, uh, he suggested a few
options, and, uh, Dexy, uh, Dennis from Dexy, he suggested how they structured it, and how
much it cost, and that is a big eye-opener for me, um, okay, so there are ways, definitely,
I'm doing something, I'm over-engineering, because I, I mean, like, I'm an architect, so,
from my enterprise side, so, where money is, like, easy money, right, so, if I, in my day
job, like, I go and code for, like, a few millions, and I'll get, like, that much million for, to run
apps, and everything, right, so, that, so, I did a little bit of over-engineering on
SpaceCAN, on expecting that it's going to be millions of viewers going to come, and
that was the expectation, right, so, running multiple contingency servers, and everything,
right, all, like, enterprise-grade, uh, scalability, and everything, we were, I've
been planning and building, then I understood, like, how to serve in this
environment, and it is going to be a long run, so, that knowledge, I got it from, uh, Dennis
from Dixie, he helped me a lot on it, and Croyd jumped in, and, uh, John, um, jumped
in, and they helped it, and Dylan from Evergreen, he offered me to have, like, a
hosting space, because my architecture consumes a lot of space, right, especially
on the NFT side, um, we need, like, a few terabytes of NVMe, right, so, that much
space, uh, like, that's the huge cost portion of it, right, and the serving images, and
medias, and everything, right, so, uh, Dylan, he offered me, like, yeah, I have space
hosted, if you want, you can just use it, right, and then, like, I cannot name some
other, like, uh, from Chia's side also, I, I got a lot of helps, right, like, they
offered me help, but it didn't materialize because of a lot of, uh, other, uh, reasons,
things, so, yeah, a lot of folks came, like, and they tried to even help in, like, monitor
level, and, and then, like, um, there is a one gentleman, and, uh, um, like, um, Cesar
Coyne, uh, he donated a lot, or I would say, like, he didn't ask me anything, after he's
seeing that, like, he just, uh, sent out, uh, 100 exages, and a lot more stuff, and every
time, like, when I say, like, okay, what do you expect from him, he say nothing, right,
he said, like, no, I'm using your service, and I like you guys, uh, like, never endorse
anyone, like, I just want to give it, right, I don't want to buy anything, right, so, so that's
why, like, and monkeys, uh, he's always there, right, and, uh, he's, not only he's trying to
build a NFT project in, uh, with a lot of, uh, things, but he's always there to support a
community, and he's always support us, also, and so, like, I cannot name a lot of them,
definitely, I'm missing out a ton of people here, and if anybody's listening in this space,
after, in the recording, please, sorry, like, uh, but a lot of people reached out to me during
these days, like, because I was in a spot, do I need to continue or not, right, because,
uh, I have a day job, and team is running, and I don't see much, uh, growth at the time,
in adoption of Chia also, and, uh, so I have very strong belief in it, like, in my single
XCH, which I formed, I have never sold, I'm not going to sell it for another, at least
four or five years, right, so that's the belief I have, but still, to run a company,
and, um, like, a few folks in payroll, and giving them, uh, I have to put salary for every
month, uh, so that's where, like, I was in a breaking point, but a lot of folks talked me
through that, and helped me in various ways, and then I understood, like, I have to be
there for this community, right, I have to build the tools that is meaningful for this
community, so that's what I decided and want to do, um, yeah. Sorry for a lengthy topic.
No, all good, that's what this space is for, you speak at length as much as you want, uh,
the fact that you, you know, can't even really name everyone that stepped in to help, long
list, that's a really good sign for Chia, I think, like, it, I was expecting you to say
two or three names, but you, you almost listed ten, and you said there was more you couldn't
even name, so. No, I, I still have a lot of names, but I cannot say a lot of them, because
they told me not to say anything, because a lot of them, they helped me, but they said,
like, I don't want to be named at any time and anywhere, right, so that's why, like, I
couldn't, I cannot name them much. That's interesting, that intrigues me more than the names you
mentioned, it makes me wonder who they are, but I won't dig deeper, uh, yeah, well, that's
great, so how about right now, are you stable for the next few years? I think you said you
were. Yeah, yeah, so, on the running cost price, like, I would say, like, it used to cost,
like, nearly, like, a thousand, around thousand dollars a month, now I cut down it to, like,
hundred, hundred and fifty dollars, so that, that's level of, like, optimization, what I've
been working on for the past one and a half months, we just stopped any more developments,
and we just want to focus core functionalities of it, and now, if we go into Spacecam, and I
would say, like, after a lot of comparison, most of the still, there are, there are rough
edges, but I would say in the NFT space, we would have all the latest information, like,
every time a owner changes, right, there used to be a gap between IS and MnGarden and a lot
of other groups, right, now, if you go and see it, most of the DIDs will have a correct
NFTs, right, and most of the addresses will reflect NFTs. The transaction is also, that usually,
there is a deviation, when especially soft work happens, or any work happens, we need to roll
back, because what we have is a custom-made pull-up, right, so all these rollbacks and
everything we need to, so there were a lot of edges, and all of the things, I hopefully, I think, sorted
out, and now, we would have, like, I would say, like, most accurate information on NFT, then
MnGarden, and in some areas, right, and, and then, like, we were trying to have a lot of
information on our side, and just, like, decided not to do that, so now, we, like, mirror a lot
of cat information from TailDB, but still, we have a separate DB for, and we are working
on some of the options for, like, dynamic cat creations and all, and updates, that is not
available now in TailDB, but maybe in future, if Freddie decided to take up that and make
that experience better for TailDB and the users, then we would be, like, happy to sync
with that, right, so likewise, like, wherever I try, I was trying to keep SpaceCain as a
whole on all areas of primitives, like a cat, NFTs, and VADs, and others, but I decided that I
have to, trying hard to be off everything, right, and trying to focus and integrate with
the existing team, so that cut the cost a lot, so now I'm, I can able to definitely
support it, and as I said, team-wise, also, I cut down drastically on the team size, and,
yeah, I'm good for, like, at least next few years, and I hope, like, by the time I can able
to find some revenue streams, and we are working on a few, we have APIs, and that APIs is not
that good experience, till now, we've been working on that to polish those details and
getting it to perfect state. I hope, like, next few weeks, we'll be focusing on that,
and after that, our API will be as good as any other APIs you can find it, and I'll make
that consumption also much simpler and streamlined, right, so that's the one area I'm
thinking in, and then we do have monitoring options with the clawback around, and I think,
a lot of coal storages, coal wallets may need this monitoring, that's, and a lot of folks
are already using it, a lot of folks are paying and using our monitoring service, so that's
one another area I'll see the revenue be coming up, and so, yeah, I think we are good now,
for at least next two to three years, I would say.
Could you explain a little more about the monitoring service, what is that, and what can it be useful?
Yeah, so if anybody have a public key or a wallet, basically, you have a wallet, and you have a
wallet with the clawback enabled, you need to know, so if you have a clawback enabled for a day or two,
if somebody's trying to move it, you need to know that there is some transaction is trying to move that,
right, so you can go in that window and clawback, right, and so, at the same time, you don't want
to give that to anyone, so if you give your public key, it's a little privacy is there, privacy exposure
is there, but we'll ensure that that's not going to happen, so once you give your public key, we'll derive
it for whatever the derivation index you want to have it, currently, I think I have it as 3,000 something,
so for those addresses, every block will monitor, so that's the one thing, right, so every block will monitor
and instantly you will get alert, so if you have a fan, if somebody's trying to move it, even if it's you,
you'll get alert, right, currently, we have a mail alert, and based on how receptive this feature is,
we can expand it to other like mobile and other updates, right, so few folks are already using it,
and that feature, it won't only allow like XCH, it alerts you for NFTs and GATT, any assets, basically,
you have it in your cold wallet, if some transaction happens, you will get alert, notification immediately,
so you can go back and claw it back, but there's a, yeah, so that's about the monitoring service,
so it's a real-time monitoring, so if anybody's interested and have a high network, they want to monitor it,
they can use that, and it's, it's cost, yeah, sorry, no, it's cost also a few dollars, it's just a coffee cost,
with that you can, you can manage, you can get a real-time alert in your mail, okay, is it alerted by email?
Yes, yeah, for now, it's, it's alerted by email, and, and, and I'm working on it, because if you, if you want to go with the push notifications,
or you need mobile, or if you want to go for like SMS notifications, or a callback, it, it, we need a,
look, more volume, to get that services, otherwise, it's going to cost more, that's where like, I want to see,
how that feature goes in, then based on a demand, I can add more functionalities or notification, but currently,
it's only email notification, but I can build like a discard notification, that's, that's in pipeline, because those things are not going to cost extra,
to run it, right, even how many notifications you get, right, because some, I have seen some addresses,
have high transactions, and they can set a threshold, okay, so I want to get notified if it is above 0.25xh,
or maybe 1xh, 10xh, or if any cat, they can specify, I want to get notified if my dexy box is moved,
or my space box is moved for this threshold, so those things are all they can do it now, so they can reduce the number of notifications they get,
but still, the number of notifications is slightly higher, so that's why like, email and the discard is currently supported,
our discard is going to come, it's still in testing, email is the currently one what we have, later, yeah.
Super cool, does it work for incoming offers as well?
Yeah.
If someone bids, it does?
Offers, no, yeah, offers is not, not there, like, only like, the transactions on the addresses it's coming through,
because offers are slightly out, right, so, but once you accept it, or somebody accepts it,
if the asset is being moved out, or it, you receive some assets into your addresses, you'll get notified.
But the offers out there are any, because there's one of, one feature was asked at some times before,
on like, offer notification, if somebody, do account offers, can I get notified, like in our, um, desktop wallet, right, desktop, um, that, there are like, few features we can build in, but I don't think it is, need is there to drive that thing, um, but now, currently, the, any assets you'll get notified, if it touches, if it incomes your, any of your addresses, or it leaves any of your address.
I see, so, it's on chain, yeah, on the blockchain, moving, things that, it triggers it, got it, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because offer, sometimes it just leaves outside the chain until it's confirmed, right, so that's why, like, we couldn't do it.
So, what I have built it is, like, on chain monitoring, on every block, uh, you will get alert, okay.
Uh, we can do a mempool alert, but still, like, I thought, like, maybe I'll do it if, there is a, kind of, demand on that, right.
So, even if it once enters into the mempool itself, you can able to do certain things, get alert, but, now, it is on the confirmation.
So, once it's confirmed, you'll get alert, yeah.
Maybe.
That's cool.
Can the alerts be sent to other people?
I'm thinking of a situation where maybe there's a valuable NFT, and someone is trying to buy it, and maybe someone else could get an alert, and be like, oh, well, I'll pay more, kind of thing.
Yeah, yeah.
So, they can do an alert on any public addresses, right, if you know that address, you can do that alert.
Um, you can set that alert.
Because, not only the public key derivations I have, I have, like, a plain address, XCH addresses.
So, if you know that, if you have a preform sitting-in address, or if any valuable address which you want to monitor it, it won't belong to you, you can still set it up.
Because addresses are public, right, it's on chain.
So, that's still out.
You can do it, yeah.
That's super cool.
Super cool, yeah.
Klaus, if you have any questions you want to jump in at any time, please do.
I've got a list of questions, so the more the merrier.
You mentioned something earlier, SpaceGanner.
You said that you've got a custom-made full node.
What is that, and why do you have that?
Um, so, if you remember, like, when I started, like, there was a Chia Explorer, right?
Chia Explorer, I think, it's structured in a way that it indexes into MongoDB, right, with the AWS structures.
If I understood that, like, because, like, at the time, I was running Explorer in different chain, and mostly that was the structure it is used in, like, a Chia Explorer.
But there are a lot of problems with that, because you have to go and parse it in a way that, so if you miss any blocks, you cannot go back and parse it in a faster way, right?
Yeah, so, then the problem is, like, if you want to, for example, like, a new primitive has been introduced, and it has been happening in the chain.
If you want to go back in history and parse it and get it back, right, it takes longer time.
If you remember, like, Chia Explorer had some of that issue, and the chain was starting for a few days, a few days, so nothing cannot be done, right?
And it takes a lot of time and energy to parse it and have it back in time, right?
So with that, what I understood is, like, we need to change the way we index the chain.
We cannot use, and at the time, RPC is not that good, right?
So there is a huge need that I had to write something which has not been exposed in RPC.
I could have waited for some time, but I decided to want to learn how it is done.
So I just went through to a full node and understood and take out the parts, whatever I want to have it, like, to enable a multi-threader and multi-processing.
And because in Python, you cannot have a parallel thread run, right?
So you need to create a multi-processor threads based on the number of processes you have.
So I designed this in a way that, okay, if I want to start indexing from my Genesis to X number of blocks with the resource whatever I have, so it's been up that and go and do all the validations in a way that.
So I can, instead of waiting for a week to complete parsing of each transaction and do it, I used to do it in, like, a few hours, like, in, I think, maximum three to four hours, sometimes before.
I just start the process in a few hours, I'll get everything indexed from the Genesis to that, right?
So that cannot be done.
So if you missed your full node DB, right, you have to wait for a week to get it synced up, right?
So imagine if that is just to sync up for every transaction.
But for Explorer, you need to know every transactions, not only your transaction, what coins you know or what NFT you have.
For Explorer, it needs to know all the NFTs, all the cats, who wants what at any given time, right?
And if suddenly data layer comes in, the ID comes in, we need to know the relation.
So that's where, like, we could able to survive this much time, we could able to support these many primitives, which other explorers could not do.
Only reason is because that custom full node, which is specifically designed for Explorer perspective, right?
Because that's what I was doing in Burst, the previous chain, what I was working on.
And so that's why I had to rewrite a full node for Explorer perspective, not for, like, a client-consuming perspective, which is Chia built that full node, right?
Yeah.
So that means, like, I need to work on all the chain re-arc and all, because re-arc happened, any chain re-arc happens.
So when those things happen, we need to handle it and understand it, clean up our DB.
So all these things were majorly done in full node, but not on the fullest extent.
We have to do it.
We have to write it in multiprocessing capability, right?
So that Chia full node doesn't have at that time.
But now Chia full node is much efficient.
The DB structure is so fast, right?
And even RPC is much mature.
So, like, now I've been, like, re-writing those pieces slightly with what, that's part of this optimization also.
Because I see that's a one piece was missing, because I need more developers in hand to develop that, to maintain that software.
But there is already, like, Chia team is handling that.
So they are exposing all those RPCs.
So wherever possible, I could utilize that and cut out my team structure and my programming technical depth-wise also, right?
Yeah, that was the need for it.
And that's how it has been done.
So SpaceCan, do you have a release date for all this?
Sorry?
Time-frame-wise?
Do you have, like, a timeframe for this release date?
Everything.
When do I release this stuff?
Yeah.
Yeah, this is already there.
This is what it supports SpaceCan now, right?
So all this, it's been there.
Yeah, like, I don't have, like, a hard releases.
So now, like, if you go and see all the NFTs, right?
I just, like, finished one part today, where I have to bring up, like, IPFS own node, right?
So that is being pushed today.
Right?
Now, if you go over it and you can see NFTs being synced up and perfectly having all the owners and all the details aligned up.
So that feature is moved currently in the backend.
So in the SpaceCan on the face, you won't see much of the new features.
But in the backend, I'm doing all these optimizations.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So there won't be much feature as to see for now.
But it will come up.
A lot of stuff what we are planning will come up, especially on the API side on all the data's like data layer and different metrics what we want to bring out for the different primitives will come up.
And the cats, the tokens wise, there are a lot more metrics we can, we need to correct it and we need to bring it out in a proper way.
So that will come up soon.
Yep.
Okay.
So you're going to be moving it from IPFS on to data layer eventually?
No, it depends, right?
Because some of NFT projects are still on IPFS, right?
There are a lot of NFTs still depending on IPFS.
But the problem with that is like now that NFT storage, right?
The one of the gateways, popular gateways, right?
So they brought in a CloudFront in it before.
Before that it was in the problem, right?
So when I tried to index any NFTs, right?
So we need to first pass it from the chain, we will get the NFT data.
And from that we need to get the data source, right?
So we'll go to NFT storage usually, because that is what is being minted.
So we will try to download that image and optimize it and cache it in a place where we can serve faster than the typical IPFS, because that's it's slow, right?
Because that is built for a different purpose, not for a user.
You want to see it in just in a millisecond, right?
So that it used to work.
But last week or two, I think they have brought in CloudFront before.
So that means when we go and hit with the hundreds of NFTs, if some popular mint is happening, like hundreds of mints is happening, then we need to go and download it.
This and started blocking, right?
And for that, another IPFS is like BitTorrent, right?
So if you know that CID and the path, you can try a different gateways.
There are multiple gateways.
I tried those gateways, it was a bit slow.
So then ultimately, I had to spin up own IPFS node and get that NFTs and optimize it and store it.
Right, because that is a huge cost portion, that NFT storage, right?
Because all the NFTs, I think it's around 1.5 million NFTs, what we have now.
So all these NFTs, for example, like some NFTs have like a 30 MB space, 40 MB space.
And so then we need to optimize it and store that, right?
So that cost was high.
So I've been working on this and trying to optimize it and get images.
So that's why I have to go and host my own IPFS.
But still, once the data layer comes, and I see a lot of folks moving to data layer also,
and Michael is working on it and he has a gateway, he's working on some of this.
And maybe more nodes, mirrors coming up, then the availability will be higher
and we don't need to depend on one or two nodes.
And I hope the issue of what we are facing with IPFS won't happen there.
Because if you want to index item from IPFS server, it's so slow.
So slow.
But I haven't faced that with the data layer NFTs, what is minted until now.
But I still need to see once more volume comes in, right?
And more different varieties of artifacts put into data layer.
We need to see how it scales and how it responds and how we can index it faster and better.
Yeah.
But it's very exciting.
From Chia, there is something which can replace like IPFS kind of thing.
We can do it natively for Chia.
It's so huge.
And nobody realized like how big it is.
Like I think Michael, he understood that and he's damn sure on it.
And he's building and making it approachable for normal folks.
Because most of our, when I say normal folks, like it's like an artist who wants,
he's so good in artistic and he wants to create his art, right?
NFT.
And he don't want to understand what is the technical thing in it,
because he don't have a time for it, right?
He has export in his area.
But IPFS is super cool.
You just create it or maybe like a mint garden studio.
It can integrate it.
So that's how it has been till now.
So I have my artifact.
I want to mint it.
I'll either go and create it and put it into IPFS and create it or like an NFT, right?
Or like mint garden dried or some other already existing tools.
You just give your artifact.
We'll handle how to put it.
And we'll tell you that, okay, it is in IPFS.
It's very safe.
It's not in a centralized place and you can get it anywhere.
Right?
That's how that story is, right?
That level of simplistic ability to make it such a simple way for a data layer.
It's so huge because till now I couldn't understand data layer that much.
I know how it works and how to interact with it.
But still it is complex for a lot of developers itself.
Right?
So Michael is working such a tools that it makes it our artists and NFT creators easy to use them.
Right?
That's so huge.
So that's why like in some of the previous space I asked like, so are you going to build replacement of a file coin?
Because IPFS some of it is like backed by a file coin.
So a lot of value of file coin comes from that.
Right?
So imagine like in CI, you have a data layer that can do more than file coin.
And you can do a lot of the stuff and then better technology.
So that's a huge data layer is a huge opportunity what he's building it.
And more and more, I think, will come out on the data layer side.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Klaus, are you back?
I saw you drop down for a sec.
Did it kick you out?
Hopefully it wasn't a glitch.
Yeah.
Could space scan run off the data layer 100% in the future?
For the UI?
Yeah, it can.
Like I think Steve, he's a master.
And I think he's, he's moving a lot of his stuff to data layer.
I didn't understand it.
But frankly, like I didn't have to get a time to explore all this cool stuff happening.
And just like, I don't know, getting space scan optimized and getting it too.
So now I'm in a stage like, okay, things are fine.
Now I can start exploring all this new stuff happening and start spending time on doing it.
Because I still have my day job on two daughters.
Right?
So I have to spend some time for them also.
But it's possible.
It's definitely possible.
If it is a web, that's what I understood.
And you can host it.
It's super cool what Steve's done with the data layer hosting this week each year and also the NFT galleries.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's super cool.
Because I didn't, I didn't realize that how that powerful that it is.
Right?
And once I, once Steve likes to start pushing those things out, then I, oh, yeah, these things can possibly look at.
And Michael was explaining all this stuff.
Some, in some of the calls I was still having in my mind, like, how is this going to work?
Everybody tries this stuff.
Right?
But then like, I started seeing that proof that it has started happening.
Um, then I realized, oh, okay, that's much more different and a much more thing we can build.
It's, it's a basic building block.
So it's, it's not a framework.
It's, it's just a basic building block.
You can do a lot more stuff.
Yeah.
And, uh, Steve is, I think, uh, he's a finance adoption.
Yeah.
It'll be cool to dig into more details with Steve.
I think next week will the next community spotlight.
Uh, but yeah, I, I've got a few more questions that I'd love to throw at you is.
Oh, yes.
I'm, I noticed that you've got almost instantaneous.
Uh, how can I say?
Like if someone mint something on cheer, it seems to be almost instantaneously on space cam, but not on mint garden.
I noticed this with Gerald Neal's pyramid coin.
What's the reason for that?
How have you managed to make space cam sort of instant, uh, displaying what's up there?
Uh, no, that's, that's a cost optimization.
Earlier, like I used to throw a lot more resources out there, like thousand dollars, um, for a month.
So basically more threats are chasing it.
Right.
Um, like whenever something happens, it's, it's a parallel threat.
Like that, the way it's been architecture, right?
So every transaction is taken by one thread and it is just run through it.
And I have plenty of things.
So basically it's used to pass it fast.
And, um, I would say like mint garden is like more on like, uh, cost wise, structure wise, I think.
So that's why it's, it's not like it cannot be done.
It's just like how much we need to put the money out there to show that.
Right.
And now, sorry for that, but it may slow down a little bit on space cam going forward a little bit.
Uh, because I, I, I have to reduce those, uh, number of, uh, threats, uh, passing that, uh, basically.
Yeah.
But that's, that's a reason basically like, uh, how much resources available to parse it and get it.
And yeah, but still, as I said, that one running IPFS node, it still cost me more and more space to run IPFS node.
And even for IPFS node, I have to, I have to run two for a contingency reason.
Right.
So that no need to do it.
What you can do is like, you can just wait for multiple gateways and you can just parse one by one.
Okay.
If, if, um, network storage is not, NFT storage is not working.
You can just, uh, then go for like, uh, maybe even Cloudflare have one IPFS node.
And there are a lot of IPFS gateways available.
So you can try one by one, at least some of them will responded, but it is going to take time.
So in this one, like I, I wanted to have that experience much easier because somebody means
they want to see it.
Right.
Otherwise, like the experience is not going to be good.
So that's why I have to have a custom node and ready to be served only for space can.
So it's going to, these things are cost a little, but I still see there's, we have to do better
job there.
Um, supporting every transaction showing up at least in a, like one to two minutes.
Right.
If you wait for like, you minted it, chain processed it, but you have to wait for five minutes to
see it in a summer explorer.
No, it's not, it's not going to be a good because in a, in Ethereum, you don't wait.
Right.
In others, you don't wait.
If it is on chain, if it is on confirmed in chain, immediately you'd be seeing it.
Right.
So that same experience we have to give it to our folks also.
That is a, that's what the reason for it.
Fantastic.
What would you like to do next with space scan?
Have you got a vision for the next year or two or, uh, where, where's your head up with
that?
Yeah.
So mainly like, um, currently like a space can pass like different, uh, vertical, I would
say we do have like a typical explorer options, like address, uh, checking, like you can check
all the primitives, like for any given address, you can check, uh, XH balance cards and NFTs
and, uh, the ADS and all those primitive checks that will be our primary goal.
And, but with that, we do have like a good, uh, NFT, uh, Explorer, or I'm trying to build
a good NFT Explorer.
We were like lagging a lot of, uh, uh, usability areas.
Like, uh, Seth used to advise a lot and he's still advising that I have to reach out to
him.
Um, uh, because of all this holiday and all this optimization, I couldn't reach out to
him because he used, he used to spend every week, at least one to one and a half hours
with me on advising how to do on everything.
But basically I'm a, I'm an architect, right?
Uh, he's the one person who's helped me to think like running a small business.
It's very hard.
I didn't imagine this much difficulties there.
I'm just like a coder or an architect.
That's what I am.
But running this, it takes a lot, especially on the design side where he used to advise
a lot.
And, uh, so a lot of areas we have improved on the NFT side.
So I want to convert that into have a good NFT, uh, training experience because there
are a lot of, um, uh, I, I won't say there is no much of opportunity because Mingar
is there.
Okay.
If Mingar goes down for some reason, what is the other option you have?
Right.
Dexi is there for a trading, but where do you see a relation between a collection and
NFTs and all the history of it?
Right.
And where do you validate it?
And if somebody says like, I want this NFT, I mint this NFT, where do you see any other
place?
How do you validate it?
Right.
So that's what I see.
Like space can has the ability.
And now we polished that experience.
So also we are building a lot more options.
So you can directly trade it.
Because one of the coolest thing about, um, Chia is off of us, the most powerful thing,
right?
Uh, you can, offers are out there.
We already passed the chain.
So we passed those offers than any other people.
Like even if you transacted in Dexi, even if you transact in Mingarden or even a private
offer.
So you send offer to someone else.
We pass it because I build a custom parcel for it.
I worked with some of our Chia folks and they helped me on it.
So with that, we know all the trading happens on the chain, in the offer, wherever the market
itself down or a private offer itself down.
We know what is the offer is happening, right?
So that those capabilities are there.
So with that, I want to have like an enhanced or at least a streamlined, uh, NFT trading experience,
uh, in space care.
And so people will have, uh, alternatives, right?
And they'll have opportunity to experience different, uh, visuals and different opportunities
to trade enough things and get those stuff.
Right?
So that is already there out there.
If you can go to space can, and you can, you can see all the offers out there and you
can accept the offer and, but creating bits and those stuff are not there.
So that's a one area I'm thinking I can work on next.
And we have some time that is on the NFT side.
It will come.
And on the token side, um, we already have all these trading volumes on those informations,
but we don't, uh, we didn't do like a good job, like, uh, slowest time or like, uh, he's
having like exchange trade, right?
So that gives much more, uh, informations on it, but those experience, I think we can improve
it a little bit on that.
So that will be on the token side.
We will be building it slowly, uh, based on like how, what are the details, uh, community
needs.
We are building on it.
So these two primitives will be our primary ones, like NFTs and tokens, and those experience
and the metrics will be coming up.
And all this will be available for our developers.
So API is going to be our core, uh, feature or core revenue model.
What I am thinking and what we can give back to communities that, right?
All this effort and indexing and parsing all these things, nobody else needs to do it again.
Right?
So they can make these, uh, they can build their apps much easily by calling these APIs.
So we will be working APIs, uh, much more, uh, we'll be spending more, uh, our resources
on the APIs, making it much more easier for anybody who wants to build.
And yeah, they can able to call it and build it.
Right?
So like, that's what happens in like other chains, uh, any like a Java developer or a front-end
developer, they don't need to know much about how it is happening.
So they can consume few APIs, they can spin up a good user experience and they can build,
uh, much more scalable solutions.
Right?
So that is missing in Shia, right?
Shia, I don't see not much of opportunity there to build it because there is a lack of,
uh, APIs.
Fire Academy is there for like any interactions with it.
But other than that, the abstractions needs to be there on it.
So if I want to know one person's DID, how many, uh, NFTs have when it is moved out.
I mean, they don't have a good API, but we need to have a consolidated API, like etherscan
API, right?
OpenC API.
That opportunity we have for space camp.
So the opportunity is so huge to build a good API infrastructure for any developers to
want to consume it or even for enterprises, because we, we used to have some discussions
with some of the folks, but I cannot name and say, uh, but when things are moved good,
and I hope it's going to be a huge for community as well as other folks who wants to consume
or to know or build stuff around Shia.
So these, these things are what I'm seeing is what we will be focusing on next year.
And, um, I hope like community like it, but this can change slightly here and there based
on like what community needs, right?
This is what I think.
What, uh, good for community, but always our community surprises with the innovations and
other stuff, right?
They will be like Michael with the data layer and the inscriptions, like this cool stuff comes
out nowhere and, uh, suddenly takes up and, um, and, and there is a need to expose those out and
make it easy for folks.
Yeah.
That's what we are going to focus on next year.
And the opportunity is huge and just start focusing on it and building one by one and
making it good.
Um, yeah.
Cool.
Cool.
You mentioned API.
So I would love to like re check, I guess what an API is and like basically what it's
for.
Why, why are API so important?
Okay.
So if, uh, for an NFT, uh, creator, like, uh, um, sometimes before, like, okay.
If one NFT creator wants to create own website.
Right.
So now like, uh, I think Mingarden comes up with a, uh, more like a handler, right?
So space can use to have that handle quite some time before.
Right.
So if, if slowest time Lord and he wants to have, uh, own space.
In a trustable place.
So he can have like Mingarden dot I was slash slowest time long.
Right.
So he would be paying for it and subscription.
So we used to give that to, uh, like our community folks who were, uh, like we know they
are good.
We have to have a scam right.
To like same handler, but that wasn't scaling.
Uh, and then we had some problem also because we don't know who is who, right?
Anyone can go and climb that name.
Anyone can say like slash gene slash, right?
So that's why I stopped it.
Right.
We cannot validate who wants what, right?
We can put a pay wall on it.
We can say like, okay, they cannot spam it and they can climb it back for a fee.
But still, I don't feel that that thing we need to go and do the stuff.
Right.
So if somebody wants to build their own space, because now, uh, Ace will build like a AXH payment.
Right.
So that's a very good solution.
So that means if somebody wants to put their NFT out there in their site and they want
to, uh, like accept a payment.
Right.
So they don't want to go with the space camp.
They don't want to go with Minka.
Right.
So they want to have their own website showcase their collections and, uh, and they want to
sell it.
So they don't need to build everything from scratch.
So there are a lot of companies that I know in, in, from India, like they do this as like
a cottage industry.
Right.
So for Ethereum, Solana and other chains, if you are artists for a small amount, like a
few thousand dollars, you can go them and tell them what, what, what do you need?
They have already have built a lot of templates.
Right.
Of, of the, like, it's like a week, right?
Like weeks.
Right.
So like website designs.
So they'll have a marketplace experience and everything templates built in.
They will make this APIs and they'll quickly get all the information and everything will
be shown up.
So in your website, if you go with it, it will show all the NFTs, what you have, all the
offers available offers there.
So you can just click in a button and you can buy it that often, that, that NFT.
Right.
And if it is moved out and all the metrics on the collection, all the analytics on the collections,
everything you can show it.
Or imagine there is another tool which builds specifically to know about Chia platform.
Like how, which collection does what?
And how, which NFTs?
Okay.
If I am artist, if I want to, what price I need to put for NFT?
How do we know?
So there are a lot of factors in it, right?
So how average the overall Chia market, what is the price is moving fast?
If you put one XCH or 0.5 XCH, how good is moving?
All these data are important when we have like market is getting mature.
Where do you get this data?
Where do you get this data?
These data comes from my APIs.
Like there are different APIs based on a chain.
People will build it and they'll consume it.
So if you want to know a particular collections, NFTs, you can call a collections API in space.
It'll give you all the NFT.
And with that NFT will give you what is the current price?
What is the last sold price?
And so there are a lot of analyticals because from the beginning, we want to be on the analytical side, but the space is not that matured.
So we have to wait for that.
So that's why we are building all the primitive APIs now.
So if anybody wants to build know things, what's happening on the NFTs and the collections and the tokens, they can use those APIs and build that apps separately.
Right.
So they don't need to worry about what is happening inside that chain.
Yeah.
That's where that APIs would come up and help.
Did you say the ether scan from Ethereum is an example of an API as well?
Yeah.
So you can, if you want to monitor address and a lot more details on the transactions and all, ethers can have an API.
You can go there and you can subscribe it.
And then they'll give you a token.
With the token, you can able to build stuff with the ether scan APIs, what they provide.
They provide like good amount of APIs.
And most of them we also cover for Chia, but still a lot more we need to build to match with the APIs, what they have for ether scan.
Yeah.
Okay, cool.
Yeah, really cool.
Yeah.
Just turning it a little bit to the wider Chia ecosystem is, what do you think that the Chia ecosystem needs more of in general?
I would say like, I know the answer also.
So that's like, I would say like more visibility, but it will come with a little more marketing.
And, but Chia decided to go a good guy path.
So they don't do, they do marketing in a, like in a enterprise style.
Right.
So that's the style of Chia's marketing.
I would say that needs to change as a crypto marketing.
But I think we all know all the folks in this one knows like a chair not going to do that.
Right.
They want to play by the book and they will be.
Yeah.
So that's the one thing.
So it will be like a Bitcoin, right?
Bitcoin earlier days.
Right.
So nobody's going to know until it will be there.
Right.
So price actions needs to happen, but that needs more adaptability, more exchange.
And, but now the more liquidity is in place, but with a recent market makers and the slowest
time, Lord knows more than me on that area.
But yeah, but, and then more exchanges needs to be there, but there is a change, I think
on the set of support.
So once that is out, probably I think more exchanges can support it, but I don't know very
deep in that part of it, but I think those things were holding a lot of exchanges, big
exchanges, because they have to bring in a lot more changes to just to support Chia.
But Chia is not having that much liquidity and volume to justify that.
Right.
And she has not going to give them tokens just to list it.
So that's why that was the biggest blockers of not to have adaptability.
But I think things are getting in place now.
Once that changes in set changes in place, and now exchanges can able to support Chia with
whatever the hardware they have already to provide that security and have it.
And then more of liquidity volume is coming up.
And I hope another bull run will bring more exchanges, more exchanges brings more folks,
more folks will bring means like more money for the ecosystem.
Right.
So like MnGarden and a lot of folks, right.
And what we have Dexi and everybody's built.
Right.
We don't have a lot more users.
That's a problem.
Right.
I used to serve like a million pages a day in the peak.
Now, like it's like 73 K.
Right.
So it's, you see the difference, right.
That's the difference of reduction volume of the pages, what we see.
So we need more folks in this ecosystem that will come up once all these things happens.
Right.
So more exchange listing, more marketing.
I think now we started doing a lot more talk that needs to happen more.
And that's it.
That's it.
And a lot of funding is a one area I would say will help.
Because if you are this like chicken and egg problem, right.
Do we need more users to feed in revenue that can feed in more development team and the team
can build a lot more things and they can afford to build a lot more experiments to see which
one pick it up or which one community needs.
Otherwise, they have to be very persistent on a few things and they have to hope for it.
Right.
So funding would help.
But funding also depends on what is the volume of users we have.
Right.
And what is the future looks better.
Like if we have millions of users or a Chia folks or people who works with or interacts
with Chia, then more folks will ready to fund any projects, any items that we have.
So, yeah, it's a slowly moving thing.
And I hope things are getting aligning now more.
Yeah.
Do you think the roadblocks stopping Chia being on the major exchanges have been removed?
Is it just waiting for it to now happen or?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's what I think.
So the main roadblock is on the Bayless support.
So that's been getting removed.
I think I don't know when that thing is getting released.
I have seen it in the roadmap sometimes before, but I didn't notice it.
I didn't track it.
If anybody knows, we can comment on that more.
But I know that is a major block other than not able to bribe them.
Right.
See, I won't do that.
So exchanges can do that if you give them millions of tokens, right, to compensate that
and more liquidity.
Right.
So Chia is not going to do both.
Yeah.
That's going to get removed.
So that's what I'm thinking.
I'm hoping for it.
Yeah.
Since the pre-farm was unlocked, some of it, I was wondering if maybe that could be used
to get on the exchanges.
I don't know if that's in process, but.
No, that's a huge move.
Right.
After that, I'm bullish.
Like I, I used to buy one Chia every day.
Like till now, every day, whatever happens, I buy one Chia.
Recently I doubled it after the pre-farm opened.
Right.
See, the main reason is like people think like opening pre-farm is a risky.
It's, it's, it is, but I would say it will give a little more flexibility for them.
And now I, I used to say that opening up a market, that means there will be a market
price, a stock price and a Chia price.
So Chia as a firm, they have to ride on two horses.
Right.
It's never going to succeed.
Right.
If you try to ride two horses, you know what happened.
Right.
So that's, that's a push in Chia.
If they go for IPO, they will be having a stock price and they will be having a coins
in which one they will prioritize it.
Like we can say like, okay, they will be able to do somehow prioritize both values.
I don't believe that's possible.
So that's why if you are an Ethereum community, you put all the belief on a value on the Ethereum
token.
So you work or build for Ethereum token, you interact with Ethereum tokens from Vitalik boot
ring to someone from the small developer who is trying it, who has like a few Ethereum
or maybe a few Solana.
It's a one value.
Everybody's trying to have it, but in Chia, in this case, it's two.
It's very unique.
I like it in some aspect, but sometimes it's not.
Right.
But, and that's where like always, Chia price is a second child.
Right.
I would say like, I cannot say that like way.
Okay.
So it's always a secondary priority.
Right.
So from the beginning, IPO is our primary.
We have investors money and we have a preform, but we don't care about the price because that
we are not there for a price, but that is the asset which is going to back the Chia for
as a firm, right.
That's going to be in their balance sheet.
So somehow they have to increase that value.
But opening up, I would say now Chia has to depend on the community also because community
are the buyers going to buy.
They are going to give that money to Chia for as part of their spending.
So we will have at least little more talking point there.
So little more eyeballs.
They like leadership, like they also know that.
Okay.
So we have to care about our preform values also.
So opening up market maker is one thing that because of that only it came from $20 to
Otherwise I won't say like it might have went down to 10.
Right.
But basically a sentiment.
Right.
And then after that, we'll have a little more news and it is sustaining in 30.
Right.
So, yeah, that's a, that's a huge, like opening a preform.
And I know that integrity, what Chia team have, right.
It's, it's, I never seen such an integrity in any crypto project for this launch.
Like from 2017 or 18, I've been following them such a, such a, what to say, hard things.
We have so many tokens sitting up, not to touch it and every day trying hard to be correct
and to run it because I'm running like a few folks.
Right.
In day job, I have a 70 folks, but I don't run the payroll, but in my space can hire an
a payroll for a few folks.
How hard I know to, to say no to them when they work for a few years and trying to keep
the things, what we believe is good and correct running is very, very hard.
Right.
The same thing is what Gene is doing so big, humongous way.
So how much pressure he and Ram and all the top leadership will go through.
It's so huge, especially what that layoff they have done.
But till now they haven't sold.
So I integrate device.
I don't have info.
Only the priority wasn't there for the token holders or the farmers.
And it's always like secondary, but now with opening up and here as a form is now depending
on some of the, like interest loan payments as a running like model for them or revenue
model for them.
And that means communities stepping up your dollars, buying XH tokens, supporting
Shia.
So they, they may have a little more say, I would say.
Um, so that's a huge, that's where I started doubling my, by, yeah.
So that's a, that's a good.
Yeah.
Awesome.
I'm very curious.
Are there any NFT projects on Shia that stand out to you?
There are a lot, but I cannot name few because if I, if I miss out, it's not going to be correct.
But I would say like every project comes of this.
So a unique perspective, right?
I, I really love art, right?
Because, um, one thing like I'm from India, right?
In India, we don't have museums.
We don't have art galleries, right?
Um, but you step out.
Everything is beautiful.
It's a tropical country, right?
But first time I have seen, uh, European paintings or, or, or that, the time and effort
somebody spend to create something, which is, which is, was existing in the past, but it
still feels like a present or some of the artists creates a future and show their vision.
That I have seen it in Argentina.
When I was there in Argentina, I, I spend hours and hours in those museums and those halls.
I really love it.
Right?
And I see the same energies here.
Every art, every project is very unique and they bring a lot more uniqueness in every piece
of art.
I would say that's the one thing I really love it.
But one thing I want to call it like a one or two projects, because they are so sustained,
not only just to make their project work, but they are trying to gather that ecosystem also
with them, right?
Monkeys, right?
He, he don't need to do all these innovations or all these solutions and all the things
what he's working on.
He don't need to do it.
He can just create a lot of monkeys and good marketing.
He can get his money back and he can say, okay, goodbye.
I'm done.
I can move on to next chain.
But that is a one project, which is very intrigued me.
I think he's not there for an NFT project.
He's there to build Chia and he wants to take that to a next level to Chia as an NFT frontier,
right?
So every tweet I say, I see if somebody talks about NFT, Monkeys will be replying it and
just talking on it.
And he's not just like on the marketing side, talking on it and he'll be on any of this advocate
calls and he will be putting a valid point.
He's really making it also by working with Clyde and Greg and build a lot of innovations on
the NFT.
They brought in a lot of chip standards just for that.
I really, I was trying to support that unique project because of my timeline.
Still now I couldn't, but once these things settle down, I will be sitting with them and
helping them how to showcase those uniqueness.
Maybe like monkeys who will talk on a lot of this.
I don't know much basically, but I know what they are working is very good.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
So monkey zoo is one thing which stands out very in front of me for an NFT project because
they have that MZ token and that's facing to that development.
That's very unique and different and such long term project I see.
But nonetheless, like I don't want to call out any other NFTs.
This is best, right?
Because every, every art I'll see is unique and beautiful in its own way.
Like, like our humans, everybody's unique.
Everybody's beautiful or perfect in their sense because everybody's path is different and
they reflect that into the art.
So I cannot say this is best on that, but on the project and the time and effort they
put in monkey zoo is one which stands out for a chia project for a chia NFT.
That is a, I would say like a lighthouse project.
Yeah.
Nice.
And give a shout out to monkey zoo.
He's got the, I think it's called the 12 days of Christmas or words to that effect on
mint garden right now.
He's doing auctions for the raising funds for Christmas.
In fact, I think maybe some of the donations are going to use space scanner.
I could be wrong there.
I think he said that.
Yeah.
No, that's the one thing.
He didn't ask me, right?
He didn't ask me like, I'm going to do this.
I got to know from the history.
He tweeted and saying like, okay, I was saying, oh, okay.
I'm part of it.
Okay, good.
But that's the first time I didn't reply to.
I just replied, thank, right?
If that has been done by any other project, I would be reaching out to them asking me to
remove it from the list.
Right?
I never do that.
I never allowed in these years, any projects, they promised me a lot of money, tokens, everything.
No, I would buy it.
If I like it, I would buy it in my personal fund.
Not, I won't interact with the space car, right?
But monkeys, he sent me a tweet and saw it like, oh, okay, that's good.
But I want to see it.
Maybe I have to discuss with monkeys, because the other part also, right?
He's doing a lot for like homeless person.
Maybe I'll talk with him and do something different there.
Yeah, he has 12 days of actions going on in Windgarden and for this good cause.
Yeah.
And he's also got fusions who are coming out, which is a way of upgrading and downgrading
NFTs.
I believe it's not quite out, but he's contributing that to the community.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's what I was discussing about it because I don't want to call it.
Look, first of all, I don't know much about the technical details.
And then I want him to explain that to the community and he would have all these things
planned.
I don't know what to take out that before what he wants to say, but he's, he's, he's doing
a phenomenal job.
Like he's, he's pushing GI NFTs to next level.
Right.
And, uh, um, uh, if the fish is around, like, uh, uh, he would love monkeys.
Yeah.
I think he's still around.
I think, uh, but I'm not sure, uh, the fish is still around.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I haven't heard from him for a while.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
I was just gonna say, he was talking about the fusion NFTs.
That will be two different NFTs combined into one.
And two different, um, collections.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I, I think from what I understood is like, you can, you can breed in NFTs.
Like, uh, you can, you can fuse the two different NFTs and like based on some DNAs, it can produce
offspring in a different way, but I might be totally wrong.
I don't want to say it, but that's what I understood.
But I have to still go through that paper.
Um, I, like a client sent me the paper long back.
Uh, I have to go through it.
I have to go through it.
I have just started a few, but after that lot of things happened, how to go through it.
But that, that's basically it is.
You can fuse it and fuse it.
And then that's the trades will pass on.
Um, yeah, it's very, very cool.
Very advanced.
And that's where like the difficulty comes in, right?
So in the Explorer, how do you show it?
How do you visualize it?
How do you visualize it?
Now, uh, in the Explorer or like in garden and space can drive.
It's one on one.
Okay.
You meant something.
It is going to stay in the blockchain as it is, but when you merge it, how, how we
are going to merge it, how it is going to produce different things.
That is very cool.
That is, that is pushing the limit of, um, um, NFTs standards and share.
Yeah.
I don't think anybody, any other chain is doing that.
Not that I know of.
Yeah.
I know it's, it's a very hard problem.
Like, uh, Cloyd and Greg, and they worked for, I think a very long time on all these puzzles
and everything, it's going to be on the smart contract.
So, so yeah.
So it, no, nobody does that.
Like, that's what I said.
Like if, if, if you're an artist, you can just sit and create art and push it to any chain,
which goes, have a higher return and you move on.
Right.
And I don't blame artists.
They are for art and they want to have, they have a family, they have an ambition,
they have the feeling, they have to make a profit.
And I totally support it.
But somebody comes in and try to improve that standard, push its limits and try out all
this stuff.
That's what I was calling up on monkey.
Like it's very unique and different project, different personality.
He's bringing it a different energy.
I would say.
Just seen a tweet from chunk here.
He said ether scan is a block Explorer.
I was asking if it was an API.
I, I think you said that it has an API option built into it, but technically it's a block Explorer.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So like space can is, I would say space can is an Explorer, right?
MinGarden is an Explorer.
And the ether scan is Explorer.
And the ether scan is Explorer, right?
And so all are like a way to see what's happening in the blockchain.
Right.
So these are all like explorers for a normal, like as a retail user.
I want, I, I, uh, bought enough, uh, maybe, uh, transferred a, uh, XCH.
Right.
I may be a crypto.com.
I went and I bought a XCH.
I transferred that to my exchange, uh, my wallet.
How do I confirm that it reached my wallet?
Right.
So in that exchange, they will show a link to any of this, uh, Explorer.
And when you click on it, it'll go to that.
So you have a third party verifying that the transaction happened.
Right.
So that is the Explorer.
Right.
So ether scan is Explorer.
And in ether scan, you can go and see all the transactions.
You can go and see even the NFTs transactions.
You can see the NFT details.
Same like in OpenSea.
Right.
Because OpenSea, whatever the other marketplaces, they settle on chain.
And that chain has been indexed and it is made easy for retail users to see it.
That is the Explorer.
Right.
The front screen of it.
But if you want to have a programmatic access to it.
So you're building some app or you're running an analytics information.
That's where they expose that information as a API.
So you can call a URL and you can say, pass on address.
And you can say, okay, give me that.
All the transactions happen on that address from this to this.
And then trace me this.
Who is owning what?
Or pass on an NFT and tell me who owned all these NFTs.
And who transferred it.
So that information, programmatic information, you can get it from this API.
And you can smash it.
And you can build the different apps for the needs.
Right.
And I think Steve, he builds a lot of scripts based on like Mintgarden API.
He built a lot of cool stuff.
And there are like folks, they have like libraries around space can APIs also.
So that is slightly coming up.
But we need more matured APIs, scalable APIs, reliable APIs, then a lot more apps will be built on top of it.
Yeah.
Well, that's a good segue into my next question.
I've written down here is, what do you think about the future of DApps on Chia, whether linked to data layer or otherwise?
Do you have any visions for that?
As of now, I don't see, like, because that is very limited for me.
I haven't thought through much on the DApp side now, but it's obviously will come.
But I don't have a straight answer for it because I don't want to be saying something wrong
because I don't have much visibility on that side.
But it will come, definitely it will come because Chia is much more flexible and much more feature rich than any other chains.
And much more better way and good design also.
So the apps and everything will come up.
Okay, cool.
Got a tweet from Chia in China saying, we need a stable coin on Dexy so much.
Yeah.
Yeah, definitely.
Definitely.
Because these are like rails, right?
As I said, like how much we have, we need exchanges to bring in exposure to normal folks, right?
So if I have some money and I want to put in like, okay, if I put in like a stock or index fund, I'll get four or five percentage.
But I want to put like maybe one percentage in the lottery kind of like a crypto.
I want to get someone.
So they can, the first choice is they'll go to the speak exchanges, put their money and they'll know that.
Okay.
Anyway, it's not a financial advice.
Guys, anyone?
Nope.
I just want to say it's not a financial advice, but I'm saying like, that's how like most folks, they'll have like $10, $20, $100 just to like as a lottery.
They try to put it in something and then they'll know that's how like, like the exposure starts, right?
Then from that percentage, some technical folks will be there and they will be coming.
They'll be exploring farming side.
They'll be exploring some developer who will be there.
They will be building some apps, right?
That's, that's the huge gap.
And that's where the Chia Academy, which is coming in, that's like handholds them and brings them into the stage, right?
So that is on the exchange side.
But the folks who is already in the, in that ecosystem, right?
They want to move in their XCH, right?
That ecosystem needs, that rails needs to be there, right?
So you have like XCH payments, like XCH payment, right?
And then different, different apps, right?
So I don't want to pay in my, like take money out.
So I want to convert into a stable currency.
And, and then the stable coin, I can use it to move around, right?
For different paying it or sending it and getting it back.
So that needs some stable currency, like USDS and what we have, right?
Now it is renamed it to classic, right?
So like that, we need some stable currency options, or at least a wrapped currencies in.
That will give a lot more liquidity inside the ecosystem.
How do we bring outside to in?
Is we need better exchanges, reliable exchanges with the Chia listed.
The same way the folks who is in building in, we need more folks to build different, different items.
Then we need all these stable currencies inside, which can also take it out of the chain and bring it in.
So that, that definitely needs to go.
And so I, I have to agree with the chains.
We need some stable coins, at least wrapped in it, in here.
Yeah.
We have an insightful cheer in China.
Stable coins on Dexi.
There was one on there a while back, but I guess it's not there now.
There's US.
Yeah, USDS was there, but now it is because of their, they had an issue with the custody holder.
Like I think they have to rename it to USDSC.
Classic.
It's a, it's a classical move, right?
After a thing happened, you move that as a classic.
Right?
I see.
So, but it's a huge, because I know when that USDS came, there are a lot of things moved fast.
Inside ecosystem.
And then like, when that had an issue, a lot of things like went cold on inside the ecosystem.
Right?
Because we need to move, move the value.
If you are moving, if you're not moving the value, it's not going, it feels stagnant.
It's not good.
If anyone in the audience would like to come up and ask SpaceGun a question, please send a request.
I've got a couple of sort of nonchier questions in a sense here.
I'm very curious about, I think you've actually talked about this before, but I thought I'd ask it again.
So if people didn't know, it's, you've moved around the world quite a lot living in different places.
So yeah, I'm curious on your life philosophy as far as going to new cultures and learning new things.
Yeah.
My life philosophy is nothing.
Like nothing is permanent.
Nothing is there.
It's kind of like we are in simulation, right?
That, that I believe, but the simulation is so real.
Yeah.
So I don't, like I'm still learning and trying to understand people, even such as a society and everything.
So there is a, there is a saying in, in my mother tongue, like that is Tamil.
So there is a poet who says like, who knows eight languages, who has eight life.
So that means he lived eight, 800 years, right?
Every hundred years is a life, right?
So if you know a language, then you are a new person.
You get into different society.
Everything is different.
Because that language gives access to your books or access to a group of people.
And once you talk with them, then early you will understand their way of life.
And that is totally different.
The, in, in, in India, like, it's like, if you go a hundred kilometers, you will totally
see a totally different culture for the language and everything.
That's how it is.
Right.
And, um, so from my province, I traveled to my next province.
It's totally different.
They have a different language.
I stayed there for a few years and I liked it.
I learned the language and my life perspective changed.
Then I thought like, okay, inside one country, if I can just spend some time and I feel like
a new man with a different perspective of life, different experience and everything, how it would
look for a, if I travel to a different culture.
So that's where like, I started traveling to Japan, Argentina and the US now in Canada.
Um, like then I decided how good opportunity don't stay in one place, just move on to next.
And, uh, so every maximum three years, that is my time.
So maximum three years I'll be moving on.
So Canada, I came pre COVID, um, no, during the COVID I came.
So now it is three years.
So that's a huge break.
I'm going to take after this January, I'll be like four or five months out because it's
been like a 15 years I've been in this career.
I want to take a break and on this travel.
So I'll be going back to India and be with my mom and my family, uh, for like three to
four months.
Um, after that probably traveling next to different countries.
I'm not sure which one I haven't decided it.
Yeah.
That that's about me.
Wow.
So how was, how's Canada been?
Uh, it's a, it's a, it's a next Argentina.
Uh, yeah, it's wonderful.
People are so beautiful and I love this place.
Uh, but unfortunately I, I've been in Argentina for three years.
I know how a wealthy country turned into a rebel because of, um, socialism and how politicians
can make that happen.
Uh, I have seen it in real eyes.
I think I lived there.
Right.
So, uh, 2017, I think that's where like I landed there, uh, with my, uh, good salary, I could
be in a good spacious apartment.
But I can have three meals and still I have some money left.
Uh, no, 2015 or 14, that time I went.
When I moved out, I couldn't buy, uh, uh, five, finally with my salary, I ended up sharing
with the five guys in a single room divided with a cartoon.
Uh, like, so bed, just a one feet space.
You'll have, uh, uh, cut, uh, cards separating the bed.
That's what I could have put.
Same job, spend two years and, uh, in IT, right?
That's what makes, that's what inflation, that's what, that's why.
That's where I started crypto also.
That's where I have seen in real life.
What is a bit can do, right?
People, there's a street called a Florida in Argentina.
There are people go there to exchange their peso for a dollar in a black market rate.
And then they have a Bitcoin there, right?
So I have to do a remittance.
So that's where I started seeing Bitcoin and the real value.
I know Bitcoin very late, uh, very early.
Um, so I used to even mine in my laptop, but I didn't believe it.
So I just throw away everything.
But after that incidents, I have seen in real life what Bitcoin do.
And 2015, 16, that time I have seen it in Florida, in Argentina, that street.
That's where I got to know crypto.
That's where I started the journey of my crypto journey also started from there very seriously.
Because I've seen that's going to be the future.
And in Canada, I see exactly the same thing.
I don't know how people realize it.
If they continue the same path, it will be another 20, 30 years.
It will be same like Argentina.
Exactly like how Argentina is now.
It will be same like that.
They are going on the same socialism path, making people lazy.
And, uh, and, um, yeah, exactly the same thing is happening here.
It used to be a so wealthy country because a lot of political issues happen in Argentina.
Everybody blames on that, uh, dictatorship for the downfall.
But I have seen it.
No, not that because I have studied Peronism.
I went through all the Peronism documents and everything, how exactly it started.
Because I, I love politics.
I love people, power, money, everything, right?
And religion.
I love it, right?
So I see the same parallel in Canadian society now.
US not, um, uh, won't.
Because there, they have both, uh, both like conservative as well as, um, uh, both sides are there.
Both sides are stronger.
So there you have like a 50, 50 split there, but you have like, uh, talk on both sides.
But in, in Canada, no conservatives are so soft, uh, liberals.
It's, they have a liberal in a different name.
That's it.
So what happens is like more money will be bigger.
The government government will continuously get so bigger.
Nobody's going to bring it down the size, what it deserved to be.
And, uh, everybody feel comfortable.
And suddenly they will realize things are not going.
They, they have to compensate a debt.
They have to have a higher tax to pay off the debt.
And they have to print more money.
And it's a small country.
So they can print more.
Right?
Because that's what Ajanina did.
Right?
This is a small country.
They can start printing it.
Like Canada, also small country, not much of voter banks.
And if you swear that voters, they can start printing it.
And it'll, it'll feel good.
But long term, it's going to hurt them if they are not changing it.
Uh, yeah.
But overall, the experience is awesome.
Like, I never say like this country is better than other country in my experience.
Because people are people all the places.
You'll get every spectrum in every country, every place you visit.
But it's, it's always a good, but it's sad to see such a beautiful country.
It may go into that path, uh, in another 20, 30 years.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Randomly on Canada.
What's your favorite food in Canada?
It's a pizza.
No, like it's pizza because I, I like pizza wherever I go.
I, I have the, uh, yeah, because I'm, I'm, I'm a vegetarian.
So I can't eat a lot more.
Um, but I'm not a vegetarian, uh, from birth.
Like Argentina, I used to eat everything, everything.
Uh, so that's where like, except human, I used to eat everything.
I would say that.
And then like, uh, here, no, uh, it's pizza mostly.
Even I think in the last meeting when, uh, Jean was here, I was ordering pizza.
Nobody ordered that.
Then I realized, okay, so it's totally different.
How about in India, what's your favorite Indian cuisine?
In India, like, um, uh, I would say like there is something called like a dal, uh, dal curry.
It's a comfort food.
It's a rice and dal and a lot of, uh, vegetables in it.
Like, uh, that I eat a lot.
And there is something else called like, uh, idli.
Uh, it's like a momos, like, but without a stopping.
Right.
It's steamed, steamed, uh, rice, a bowl.
Um, that, that, that's a comfort food for me, uh, in, in Indian food.
Yeah.
That's nice.
And going back to Klaus, he was saying about poutine.
Poutine is famous in Canada.
I've, I've never tried a proper poutine before.
I've always wanted to.
So I'm curious if you had that before.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've tried it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's so Canadian.
It's what again, Klaus?
It's French fries with, is it curds?
It's like curds.
It's like a gravy or something.
Food should know.
Food.
What is it?
It's pretty good.
Yeah.
French fries with, I think, gravy and cheese curds or some sort of curds on it.
Yeah.
I've seen it here in, you know, in Bangkok, but it's, you don't get the real curds.
They, they just put cheese instead.
So I don't think that counts.
Yeah.
It's a, it's a knockoff.
It's in the, it isn't a real thing.
Yeah.
So you're moving back to India, the space scan for a while.
Do you miss, do you miss India?
You've not been there for a while.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's, it's a, it's a place where we go up, right?
How, how bad, how cramped it is.
It's, it's a place where you bought and brought up, right?
Yeah.
I miss the space.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's, it's a, it's a place where we go up, right?
How, how bad, how cramped it is.
It's, it's a place where we go up, right?
How, how bad cramped it is.
It's, it's a place where you bought and brought up, right?
Yeah.
I miss this place.
Like, yeah.
So when I started 2007, yeah, 2007, I started out, I know, 2013, 14 is where really I got
out of India.
But from my province, the province itself is like a country because from 2007 onwards,
I'm out.
Maximum, I went like one or two weeks.
That's, that's the longest I've been there.
So that's where I decided, like, I'm out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's where I decided, like in another few months, I'll take, I'll pass everything.
And even, even Space Cane side, my team will take care of it.
I'm not going to touch it for a few months and I'll come back and I'll pick up things.
Yeah.
So no service outages.
Sorry?
No service outages.
No, no, no.
That's why I worked hard for these, these months.
like i i ensured everything would be there in place even if i'm not there and that doesn't
mean like i'm not going to monitor it it's it's like another child so i'll be monitoring it if
anything happens i'll be jumping in but team is much capable than me um on this right so they can
handle most of the things until otherwise like tomorrow is like chi is listed on coinbase and
binance on the same day and everybody wants to see their balances and crash like that i cannot
guarantee but i think that's it's a little more time is there for that
yeah you can kind of guarantee sods law they call it in england that the day that you take a day off
it's going on binance coinbase cnn the bbc everywhere no like i clearly remember exactly what you said
right i haven't taken even a weekend weekdays uh weekend off for past one one and a half year
because after five i'll i'll work on space can saturday sunday i'll work on space can especially
the covet it helped me a lot space space can is there because of cobit time so i couldn't go
anywhere so i was coding it so finally i took a break and i went with my friends in a car suddenly i
started seeing spike in traffic and it's unimaginably peak that is the day where chia friends is released
everybody wants to check it and then it brought down uh some of the servers i had and i i couldn't
come also like uh to to scan it up um so i had to rush and cut down and i have to do it it's clearly in
line with what you said the day when we take a break everything will go everywhere we cannot say
yeah fate i think they call it yeah i've got another question here i'm almost at the end of my
list of questions but random question is are you a computer gamer video gamer and if so what's your
favorite games console from the past yeah i know i um no console like it's from india right so you
don't have those consoles and all at the time it's so costly like but i got my computer very early and
i used to play all sort of uh games um and one thing what i i still play is uh it's very old age of
empires uh that that's the one thing as a compares to is what i play most and i can beat in even ea with
the hardest even another six seven players i i'll beat it easily uh and after that assassin greed is the
series what i i played uh for quite few titles and after that i didn't have a time but i really really
want to go back and start playing it because some sometimes like sargonas like uh jay he used to
post um some of the uh games and his experience and all i was thinking it um so i love games and
where did i miss it uh like uh why i got so serious on job and everything and i couldn't have time um to
place that uh but i have to go back and play it yeah these are the two titles i usually play warlord i
sometimes before i play but after that stuff but age of empires is all the time favorite even if you give
me now i'll just play it for endless time and assassin grave is that a pc game or is that yeah
consulted yeah no it's a pc game it's in the console also but pc game like because i had only pc at that
time and um so it's a pc game age of empires 2 is a pc game they have like a three but it's not that good
so i stick with i i like medieval like i like all the i like history i like kings and all these
things i still um so that that game is around that period um right medieval theme so i like that it's a
pc game nice yeah you said something earlier that really intrigued me and i took a note of it you said
that you think we're living in a simulation which is something that i've thought about increasingly
over the last let's say year but yeah why do you think it's a simulation what's the reason for that
yeah so like um so i'm i'm i'm an atheist like i don't believe in any god but uh my brought up right
it is on hinduism right so i used to make fun of gods um all the different cards why they have
different shapes and everything but my father used to say that um you will be like this but i'll come
back after you become like across the team then you will realize it now like um i'm the guy like who
meditated in a number of times like any hours you just leave me i'll just sit i'll just forget the world
right there is there is no memory you can i can just detach it from anything and people have to
wake me up right um so i in that there is a one thing like when you do meditation right so the core
philosophy is that there is a different world a different experience is there you have to
to realize that you need to leave this right that they call it as a maya right maya is a term
they use it that that's a simulation so so in the notes you can see maya is a is a is a non-existing
thing so they say everything is maya in this life what you see as me as you and what we are doing all
this stuff is something which is perceived agreed on it right so there is a different perception of it
so what i see what doll they see or what a different animal which has a different
visible visionary thing is totally different it's not same but we agree as a human this is this color
and that and we build all the things agreed on it so everything is maya is a concept is we thought
very early for so that that's what i say hinduism is the easiest way to make atheist right you'll you'll
confuse them with the millions of gods so they will they will start asking questions very early because
that's my experience also we will ask why is these mini gods why every god is so funny with the
different different shapes and all things so when you start making questions it will come and they
will tell you there is some concept called maya then they will taught you a meditation yoga and all to
practice that to suppress what you perceive as a thing and then cross that right so we can cross out of
that simulation that is a that is a long journey what even a buddhist monks does right all the monks who
try to meditate they they cross that path that is called nirvana all right so yeah it'll get into that
kind of thing so that's where like it's there because i have seen it uh means not cross the simulation
but i know i can turn off the simulation right uh and but still i can live back and come back on
so yeah it it sounds weird but that's how it is so yeah you can practice it like people can practice
it but it takes years and years uh just to practice and spend time um and that that's where you have to
control your body and your eating habits sleeping pattern everything that's what monks and everybody does
right just to try to touch that experience of turning off your simulation and and see what is there next
behind that right so that that's that's on it yeah if you will let me to talk on this topic it will go
this call it will go for long maybe another day we can discover it so i'm taking away that meditation is
kind of key to connecting with that yeah no yeah yeah definitely because meditation i have seen
i have seen folks and i practiced it that's it's not like because we don't i don't believe
i experience right that's that's my core of life if somebody says this country is good not good this
people is not good i never agree i'll go there i'll experience it so that is my core of it so when
somebody says like meditation is good it'll calm your mind and it'll get you you can see a god
right so they'll say like you meditate you can see uh shiva like shiva is another god right then i say i
don't say i don't believe then i the same way i talked with folks like you're gonna the people gurus
right then one guru told me yeah do this you don't believe you do this then i started practicing
it and then doing meditation years and years then i can see what they have been talking about this
right yeah meditation is so good for any folks so whatever life throws at you because everything
life throws up to you if you just close it in your mind you don't feel it right even your digest pain
and sedated it goes on right so everything is perfect you've just gone a bit quiet there
if you want to be quiet you have to have somebody hello space gun yeah you're you're rugging oh is it
oh okay no i was saying yeah yeah is it clear now yeah very clear oh okay no like um yeah when you say
quiet right i was saying about even i thought you're saying about meditation right but even in do
somebody says like when you do meditation it'll be quiet no because if if you perceive that quietness
you have to have somebody's a comparative experience to see this is a quietness right but it won't be
there in that so you cannot explain that experience you cannot compare it and you cannot comprehend in a
world you and me or everybody understands you have to experience by your own self but meditation do it
the best thing you can do is meditation especially in this time with so much information attentions and
brain is overworking than any generation before definitely we need to give some rest to it sleep
it's the same thing but meditation is a little different uh it's better than sleep
do you have any uh philosophical takeaways on the nature of sleep itself is it some sort of higher
dimensional thing or or is it just a any computer program in the brain no it's it's just like uh any
friction in physics right um your body all the parts it's it's works it it it's it's breaks down and it
steers down and it needs to heal same thing like our car you can drive for like and non-stop but
everything is going to fall apart so you break it let the engine cool and stop and take it rest and bring
it to that optimal temperature and everything and then you drive again the same thing like sleep wise i don't
feel anything but meditation is slightly different because if you work hard body will put you into
sleep you don't need to do anything right if you physically work hard or mentally work hard what is
going to put you into sleep you don't need to ask for it right but uh meditation is something different
right your heart is not going to stop or your breath is not going to be much different but in meditations
you would be controlling a lot of these elements and uh things are different but sleep wise i don't
say anything in philosophical way it's it's it's a needed thing and i used to sleep 8 8 pm every day
before but now uh because of all this stuff what we do i'll i'll use meditation and then my sleep quota
will drastically come down even four or five hours is good enough for me but it is not correct uh we have to
have a good enough strong sleep uh to have a long like 100 100 plus years age if you need that if not
life will be much shorter yeah and very hard at the end if you cut down on your sleep
it's interesting so by meditating more you're able to sleep less get better sleep yes yeah
yeah you you won't get dream i i never dream like for five years never i used to get dreams but after
that i don't i don't dream um i don't feel it's like a stone but exactly at morning four or five if i say
i have to wake up at that time i don't need a clock or anything i just get up oh yeah there are things
happens like um yeah if you sleep a time and your body at full rest meditation can do a lot more
things just keep keeping your mind calm itself is good enough there are a lot of benefits to be there
do you think that dreaming is a sign of not sleeping deeply uh yes
yes yeah it's it's basically like you can you know it's out your brain have to go through i'm not a
doctor so i i'm not like certified on any of this what i'm talking now but uh from my experience only
i can say right um so if i'm like my body is not getting enough uh rest but still my brain is processing
it i can see that right but in another case like if you if you have proper rest or your body is enough
so still your brain is going to process a lot more things what happened uh from all this sensory
right and it's going to compact it or erase it or prioritize it all the stuff it is going to happen
on that but it's not going to be surfaced to you as uh as an experience even the the precious
time you your body get to rest right so even in that time you will make your body to half or not in
a full rest and experience all this stuff right uh why we need to know why we need to torture ourselves
even in the night sometimes dreams is good but we we say like a good dreams and bad dreams but i don't
believe dreams are bad that means you are not trusting yourself much your organs are still working hard
yeah that ties into what uh one of my ex-girlfriends told me she's from japan and i was always under the
belief that and i'm still not 100 sure but i was under the belief that the more dreams you had like
the better you slept and she said that in japan japanese culture they believe that essentially not
dreaming equals better sleep which is i think what you're saying so yeah yeah that's a bit of a
cultural split there no it's it's true like um in my culture like um maybe what i'm saying it's a
it's a perceived way and um if you get a dream and if you get a nightmare they will take you to either
a temple or a doctor that's it that's that's a simple like sleep means you have to sleep you should
not dream yeah dream is a consequence like it's it's it's you're not getting the rest
very interesting that could be a whole space in its own right i'd be interested to know if
other people have different takes on that yeah yeah definitely definitely more more researchers would be
there totally what i'm what i'm saying is wrong might be uh but this is what i know what i experienced and
yeah well if you're feeling fresher and you're sleeping less then i suppose that's a sign of
something no yeah i can definitely i can focus a lot that's i would say earlier like if i'm not doing
meditation and other stuff like i my mind will be all over uh it will take 30 40 minutes to complete
a thing if i do proper rest if i do meditation and proper rest my mind is at rest things i can focus
a lot i can finish things first that yeah you can you can see it right so if you are tired and your
brain is tired in classes we used to sleep in schools right but if you are well rested and
uh full of energy you can you can talk you can focus yeah any tips for meditation then how many
minutes a day and what time of the day and stuff like that no no it's it's up to everybody's um like
but one few things is needed at a place which is much quieter than the normal one or a place which is much
wider uh area like um like native indians right um they they used to do meditation by looking into the
sky right so even if you are sitting in a forest and just look up the sky the vastness will take you
in right it'll just calm your mind that's the one way you can do or if you are in like a urban setting
like me or most of the folks a calm room will do just sit down there and maybe there is no posture or
you have to sit this way that way or no no just sit do nothing that's it that is the hardest part
doing nothing is the hardest part the easiest way to do nothing is close your eyes once you start
closing your eyes right a lot of things will stop right you cannot and that is the easiest one to
close the ears you cannot close it you have to put in something that will uncomfort you and your brain
will start thinking about that uncomfortness but eyes you can just shut and mouth you can shut these
two it's easy to shut and just shut and be there that's it and up to your time right even a few
minutes everybody spends it's more than enough and then it will drag you it will get you you will realize
what's the benefit it brings it because that's the hardest part right to start just the minute and doing
it continuously consistently that's the thing yeah five to ten minutes or twenty minutes that's fine
every day i do like whatever happens 30 40 minutes i'll sit down after my all the works and in the
evening i'll just get down to my room and quietly and sit that's it if people cannot afford 30 40 minutes
at least start with a minute or two and just sit somewhere and close eyes and mouth and it's fine
initial days your mind will be all over like you will be thinking all the stuff but don't try to
force it not to think that is like it's never ending thing just think that's it just focus on the thing
that's you don't need to do anything else meditation is not that hard sitting and closing eyes and mouth
is hard everything else yeah i'm glad you said that about posture doesn't really matter because
for a long time i couldn't meditate because i can't sit comfortably like they always say
sit down cross legs straight back and that's kind of uncomfortable for me so no yeah yeah that's the
problem because once you put your body into uncomfortable portion um that's where like your
body will going to think on that uncomfortness right and it is not going to reach the benefit of
or giving the rest for the mind because uncomfortness is the biggest alertness right because your body
start thinking there is a pain so pain is the biggest thing for our body all right it will it will make
our brain so alert so if you've been uncomfortable you cannot meditate so sit in a position whatever you
feel comfortable sit in a sofa just listen don't put music music another but you will hear all the
different sounds and everything your thought will go it just just be with that you don't need to do
anything yeah i think i've come to the end of my list of questions here uh if anyone else wants to come up and
ask the fantastic space scan a question about anything to do with cheer please please do come
up uh hoping to get an update from uh gerald neal as well about his brilliant pyramid coin launch and
i think i'm gonna stop the space in about 45 minutes today because i've got to nip out and uh
pick my passport up from the other side of bangkok so i've got about 45 minutes left if anyone wants to
come up and chat and uh yeah space can have you got any other thoughts or anything else we'd like to
say you're more than welcome to stay on stage but i'm not sure if there's anything else you'd like to
cover yeah i'm sorry you've got a bit quiet there sorry to cut you off no yeah is it audible now yeah
that's good yeah no like sorry like i didn't want to change the topic but i know you're interested we can
have a different discussion definitely and uh yeah and a few things like i want to say is like first
of all thank you for this whole opportunity and everything for the whole community and everybody's
right in this room most of us i know i have talked and i've been interacted with supportive of in
different different times and positions like um josh is like we used to cat moss coin um we used to
discuss a lot during the time and uh i miss a lot of these conversations like uh with josh and all
that um i hope like we'll all of us get some time and we'll discuss it going forward we'll get it so
first of all like thank you for the space edward and all these community members for all the supports
and everything and um i really like being part of it and feel like fortunate to build something which
is being used by community and being some way useful but i still far from where we wanted to be
for the community so please send all your suggestions what are the things we are doing good or what are
the things still not good in space can what we can improve it and what are the features we can built in
please send in and ping me and dm me or we i always open to discussions and uh see the feedback because
really here i want to build something used by a lot of folks and go to help chia as a as a blockchain to
reach masses right so that's what i want to build out here so i need your feedbacks for it and a lot of
time i used to reach out to steve because he's our heaviest our most um uh what is any stress test i
reach out to steve to do the stress test but most of the time i i understood it's not good so a lot of
things i have shut down if steve's is like okay it's not working for him right so so that's all like
i need like steve like uh folks like helping me on this part so i can build stuff uh which is really
useful for everyone um yeah that's what i want to say um yeah i see slowest time lord
hello welcome slowest time lord hey john how are you doing good good yeah thanks for uh hosting the
space uh thanks for uh sharing your story space again that was a really uh yeah really eye-opening
i'm really glad it kind of got off topic a little bit i think i learned a lot um i just want to come
up here and say you know thank you for all that you do for the community um you know nothing that i
build would be possible without all the epis out there uh and it was a really great pleasure meeting
you at uh xeh toronto uh earlier this year i'm sorry a little bit sad to hear that you're looking to move
away from canada but really hoping that you know maybe we'll uh have another meetup before before
then we can uh chat again yeah sure no all right no i'll be coming back to canada but from here i'll
be moving to a different country but definitely like uh i love to meet uh we should have more
the chia meetups i hope like maybe in 2024 we can uh do more meetups and see uh joe yeah
no really i i i haven't been to any meetups like i'm not that open person right um but ci is the only
project other than my office i went out and met folks and really enjoyed that conversation
um yeah i like looking forward uh repeat of that um job yeah yeah i think we need to get foods to
organize this yeah he's so organized and i i didn't like it like the energy he brought in right on the
table like it's off you need it yeah okay so if um everything is good like probably i'll change it to
more um i'll i'll hang around if anybody has any questions any feedback i love to hear all my dms
are open and you can reach out in our discard um and let me know what are the plays and what are the
things i can improve it i definitely looking forward to improve it um yeah thank you thank
you everyone thank you i'll move it to my listening yeah just to cycle back around to what we're talking
about at the start about the inscriptions you mentioned that maybe space cam could be a place
where inscriptions were so uh i don't know if you'd like to cover that again briefly for the people that
got here uh after yeah yeah yeah definitely because if inscription is going to be there and it's
first of all i need to understand that what's the value it's brought in like slowest time not twitter
a lot and he might be knowing a lot on that part because he he he do his study i understand
during that meetup itself i know him like he he does his study well and generally talk um so probably i'll
have to have a discussion with him but if inscriptions is picks up in space definitely we will have that
also like a cat uh we can bring it as part of another tokens if i understand that's that's kind
of like a token standard so under the how we have like cat one cat two maybe if this picks up and there
is a need for community to see track the stuff definitely so that's what i said like memo i'm going to
expose it soon once i have that built in that means every transactions i have to pass that memo now
i've been discarding those things so i have to store it i have to make it indexable and searchable
and once that is done then i i need to use this xhs protocol to understand different tokens and what
is it and how it is i don't know a lot more stuff about that i have played it but if there is a play
there is a need i'll definitely build it same like our other broken standards um i can bring it up
what do you think john do you slowest time lord do you think that chs is a thing next big thing or
uh i don't think it's the next big thing uh but i do think it's a thing it's probably got some
interesting uses uh but like space gun says you know if there's demand from the community i would
love for a uh like a second party besides just uni mojo to actually run an indexer and display some
this information but i think regardless uh being able to show memos on an explorer uh does seem like
it has a lot of value so i think whether or not you integrate uh inscriptions um you know caching and
displaying memos itself i i know i at least i would appreciate that
yeah true because that's one of the most asked like um ocean wallet like uh he asked for it for
quite some time he opened up uh request in github um so that is pending so a lot more folks are
already asked on it um yeah that's in pipeline in top priority i would say uh but timing i cannot
commit it but it'll be out so um um yeah yeah awesome memos are not prunable uh i've had it confirmed
so memos cannot be deleted so i don't know i think that every memo not being used somehow is almost like
wasted space i don't know if that's the right way to phrase it but i see a lot of potential with memos
myself but i don't know yeah no actually today only i had another thought on that i was thinking about
this on my move so in in india right like the currency um in indian rupee mode um i don't know
how many of you have seen there is a white space so that's an empty space right so sometimes before
like people started writing in that white space so it's allowed to write anything in that white
space they used to staple a bunch of things they don't go bad so that white space is used for us
tackling uh currency notes but people started using that space as a as indications um like even to
convey a love and they write in the note and they'll give it to it and a lot of things happened on that
white space so it's a very popular in indian culture to write something on it so now i was really
realizing it like okay so this memo is some equivalent to that so every transaction has a
space that is not being used and it is allowed to use now people started initially started doing um
in a lot of passing the information i think rigidity has a one chip which makes it like uh that for
standardizing on the cat some part of it so there are more things at this moment will be used especially
after seeing inscription and uh from seeing a real world physical uh like uh currency note the space
in the currency node used for a lot of meaningful purpose people used to even draw arts in it right
i think a lot more will happen you know so that's why like today i i thought through this okay yeah it's
it's going to be big once people started showing that's the feasibility then it's going to come and josh is
here so he will be pumping out ideas in his head uh already uh he will be having thousands of ideas
floating and he will be coming up with a lot of cool stuff soon uh yeah
yeah the possibilities are endless with that
yeah i agree because it's an open open space right open limited and on the chain space right
so in cat you cannot do much and you need a capability to do it or if you need to write
any smart contracts you need to understanding of it and and then you need to test it and do it but
here it's open space if everybody agrees on what it is and it's up to people and it's not on the standard
but it's less it's it's up to the people who agrees what format puts in and understands it and agrees on
that value of the text or the bytes reading it right but it's open so people can innovate to all the stuff
yeah fantastic well thank you to you space gun for everything you've done and also john as well
klaus everyone but yeah thanks for everything thank you excuse me yeah thanks for everything
you've done and uh when you get time off i hope that it's uh on one hand i hope it's uh an uneventful
time in chia at the same time i'd love it if chia was on finance and all the rest of it like i said
earlier just for the just for the sake of it but yeah i hope you have a great uh break you said that's
coming up in january i think yeah yeah exactly yeah and edward were you able to inscribe anything
else i think you just inscribe one thing so far i've been trying to get as many of those mojos
as possible i've got some seedlings double pumpkins uh i want to get them no no i'm i mean not not
minting per se in terms of deploying anything oh yeah i deployed the hold on one sec
sorry got a bit of a cough uh yeah i deployed the uh pumpkin double pumpkin ah okay i see it
i think that's sold out or gone whatever it is
how about you class uh recently deployed ai bot
and mint
and a few others
i'm just scrolling there now uh you know uh jack by roberts uh two swords
trying to load the pager it's a bit slow they're gonna have a market coming soon so yeah i see that
should be cool hopefully it's done by next month
there's a lot of mojo has been spent on this so yeah we'll see
yeah uh gerald i don't know if you want to come up
my throat is about to give up so uh probably got about half an hour left if you want to do an update
pyramid coin then please come up but uh yeah if anyone else wants to come up too please do
uh yeah it's been a great space so far so uh yeah how do you think about everything klaus
space scan space and inscriptions are you excited
yeah i'm definitely excited in the long run for 2024 uh see what space can's doing is incredible
also um michael taylor is going with that data layer as well yeah it's it's going to be endless i
think we're going to be coming up with a lot of things come 2024 i think this is going to be the
year the cheer really expands um uh fiddle was in a space yesterday and he was talking about different
chains and he he went on like a five-minute cheer rant and yeah we're in the spaces but probably like a
probably like a little over 500 persons so yeah what was he saying i don't know he was talking
about it like like what she is doing in the long run like they work with countries and they have carbon
credits and he just went uh i mean i was kind of surprised but yeah it seems like he's like uh
uh softening up the chia now but i was like that was pretty cool i was very impressed by that
and uh i was in um an inscription bitcoin spaces today and i was telling some btc guys about our
chia as well uh funny enough um two of them they're big on proof of work and they heard about chia and so
they're actually um going to be doing some stuff and cheer list uh come next month and uh they definitely
said they want to have a um spaces with us they want to host it but they said it's going to be like
probably sometime next month so i'll definitely get everybody involved with that yeah these two guys
they've been mining bitcoin from like 2013 you know i mean me grant and dylan was in the room earlier today
and uh i got all of them to follow me so yeah
turn that
turn that off
there it is the guitar solo from playing on repeat of course i've still got repeat on my win
app i'm old school when it comes to mp3 players that's a guitar riff by none other than gerald
neal who i see has just jumped on the stage so yeah how's it going gerald like i see the pyramid coin
is flying off the shelf so yeah how's it going oh oh man it would be so much better if it wasn't for
these stupid inscriptions stealing my thunder
i mean is it going to go until new year's this
shit
you're not a fan of the transaction fees then
no i'm i'm totally kidding um wait we we got like it was a week week ago
and inscriptions were nothing right we met on thursday night last week and yeah it was nothing
right bro i think it ran up like 300 percent in one like one night i think it was friday night
this friday last friday
shit what happened
i don't know i i mentioned something briefly about it uh i and i think um
oh you did adrian yeah yeah i think i i can't remember if i retweeted something i liked it or
something and adrian hit me up in the dm and he's like he's gonna get some i was like okay i'm gonna get
some too and then uh that is like i look at my watch it was like 9 p.m and then i look at my watch
again it's 1 a.m i said holy shit i haven't t chatting into this too hard right now and everything
like dust storm went crazy i say holy shit like this is really pushing the blockchain but it's actually
good to like test the limits of the chia blockchain and it actually held up pretty well over the weekend
so i just think it adjusted itself basically yeah i i have to agree with that i think the chain is
doing fine i think the wallet is kind of um you know um bucking a little bit i feel that way
did you get the latest upgrade i don't know if you guys can hear me can you hear me yeah i can hear you
where did you get the latest upgrade okay uh i i left a lot of the uh the pyramid coin testing
you know for for the end towards new year's and it's really hard to test right now um and furthermore
i had to um i had to add a fee into pyramid coin if um if anyone's looked through the code on on github
there's no fee in there and there was no need for a fee um you know until until i got around to it but
but now i mean if i do that shotgun blast theoretically it may happen it may not um on new year's um
new york city time and it's you know the coin doesn't get spent for months you know that's that kind of
defeats the whole purpose so um yeah it's it's been uh you know i i thought i would spend a lot more
time um you know um minting and promoting and stuff like that and i'm doing uh a lot a lot of my free
time i'm just like um doing you know chia lisp and basically a lot of cdv tools trying to push coins to
the to the um to the chain and just you know get everything aligned for for new year's but yeah
i'm excited it's going to be great i hope everyone else is too
yeah well it seems that the art is promoting itself uh you've got some really nice feedback
and it looks like every single one has sold so far at least last time i checked
so the shotgun blast aside the art is rhyming with people
yeah i mean um by now i thought a lot more would have been out um uh but like i said um you know
with the with the inscriptions and stuff and things i'm doing like it's just uh yeah i'm just just kind
of taking my time with it does it feel like uh there's less fee pressure today and yeah
it went down a bit yeah yeah and it seemed to go through faster so yep i don't know the pool
went down a bit so that's why indication of anything yeah uh they've all sold which is exciting
um some of them have resold uh which to me is even more exciting that's kind of the whole purpose
of this is i'm just trying to catch a bid you know i'm just trying to trying you know that's
just a way of saying i'm just trying to trying to force a market and it seems like there is a bit
of a market so um so far so good uh i did get some great feedback from from someone i don't even
you know um know or follow uh on on x you know saying that they they really like the art which
really really makes me feel good um because you know um you put a lot of stuff out there and you
wonder you know if if anyone uh likes it doesn't like it looks at it whatever so um that was really
great to get some feedback and um i think i think uh he actually asked me a question though you know
what inspires um your visual arts you know is specific to um to the to the actual like they were
looking at the images and um uh i replied uh monkey zoo which i'm not monkey zoo i'm sorry mondo monkey
oh boy because i i don't want to i want to give credit where credit's due i i do i i do copy um
a lot of uh monkeys amount of monkeys uh ideas and um you know they're all the first 10 are all
numbered and you know all of mondo's stuff is not number two so um but you know i'm not really too
comfortable you know talking about um you know each piece like what it means and this and that i i i
i try i hope that the art speaks for itself um i started naming the pieces to kind of you know push a
little bit um but um i i thought the uh the question on on um on x you know about you know what what
inspires me uh was an opportunity to promote another um you know chia nft uh one for one um creator
and um i happen to own a lot of mondo uh monkeys so i thought hey let's promoted me this guy that's
saying he likes my stuff um maybe he'll like mondos too and buy a few and the idea is if if this this
person collects nfts and drives up the price of mondos you know then the value of the ones that i'm
holding will go up too so you know that's that's that's basically what i'm trying to do with it with
this whole uh stunt
mondo monkey is of course time traveling monkey uh rumored to be linked to barefoot ted the famous uh
writer of uh born to run i think it's called if i'm not mistaken mentioned on joe rogan
uh i've seen the videos i think he's yeah he's one of the main characters in there i think he is
the main character actually in borderline i don't think he wrote it though oh did he not okay i may be
wrong then i might be wrong too i don't know but but he's a tremendous artist like his uh ideas are just
wild his his use of uh composition and color it's like he and and he's exclusive to the the chia
um blockchain which i really appreciate i i love seeing people come from other blockchains and kind
of settle but like it it seems like um you know mondo monkey's all in like if if it doesn't work out
on chia he's not going to go like redistribute the same images somewhere else
yeah so the transaction fees have uh made it hard to test it i guess must raise the stress a little
bit the pressure but uh i suppose that in the future uh if chia goes the way we want it to
it's good this is going to be the case for other projects or other ideas uh it's going to be fee
pressure is going to make it hard to test things and push things push things through uh it's part of
a growing chain i guess it's a i suppose it's a good problem to have in that sense you can't have both
yeah and and hopefully um usage of testnet and and the simulator will pick up um i gave up on on
testnet i couldn't get it to sync whether cni was messing around with the time lords there a few months
ago and you know you had to have the right version of of um blockchain or whatever i just got frustrated
i just started doing all my testing on mainnet um which is which is a really bad idea um because
you might have a major project that you're doing and some in a tidal wave of inscriptions might get
right in the middle of your testing which is exactly what happened uh this past week um the simulator i
don't think i can really use um for uh pyramid coin because i'm i'm trying to add signatures into
it and um i can't get the simulator to work well with signatures uh i i think that's a me problem
though um people tell me that you can use signatures with the simulator but anyway um with all the fee
pressure hopefully mere mortals um there'll be more mere mortals in uh in testnet and using the simulator
and they'll they'll kind of make it so that uh well at least with testnet there'll be more peers
and and that that'll help uh syncing a testnet and um and hopefully if if like you know um normal
developers and and not you know superpower users uh start using the simulator it'll maybe it'll get
easier to use yeah edward um again uh you know for thank you for hosting these spaces and it was it
was uh great to hear space scan uh talk and i agree with um oh steve's telling me that testnet 11 is a
thing that's incredible so it's all this years worth of testing gone that's great um uh it was you
know it's great to hear the backstory on space scan really cool stuff uh i agree with john um things you
you know you don't normally hear about someone uh these these uh community spotlights really
give a chance to learn about each other and um you know i want to credit you uh edward uh the whole
pyramid coin um geolist um puzzle is inspired by your pyramid your um prism coin so you know i just
just want to reiterate that and and actually you know i've been thinking about this um i think
one really cool thing about our community is how you know um we basically have competing
you know ideas but we're we're totally you know on each other's side you know you know what i mean
like you have you have this prism coin thing you're doing a prism payment thing and um and i'm just
like no that's that's not the way you know i want it to be so you know i've made my own thing and and you
could be like saying like you know what i'm doing is is stupid or bad or whatever i can be saying what
you're doing stupid about you know we could but but but that's not it i'm i'm totally on your side
i'm inspired by you um i'm giving you credit and um i'm just saying that you know uh you know i
have another itch to scratch and and i have this this competing thing and um and you're promoting it
it's great i just i just think it's a great uh community and great environment
uh rising tide lifts all triangularly shaped concepts so i mean are you hoping that someone
comes along and does a rival to pyramid coin and builds upon it oh totally exactly that's exactly
what i'm hoping for yeah that's brilliant so are we still on for new year's oh thanks for
the praise and uh prison payments i guess i i named it and it's designed to uh
try and share value with first members of chia music and uh hopefully other people will do the
same but you know lucky eight and ace fail and cheer and everyone that built it enabled me to
do that concept split xch.com uh really helped so i lost my train of thought there i was going to say
something uh oh yeah are we still on for new year's eve new york time if a shotgun blast is fired out
or could the transaction fees delay it oh no we're on we should be on
um um yeah so the owners of record for every existing um pyramid coin um on new year's eve bangkok time
may or may or may not be part of a shotgun blast of coins
um occurring uh new year's eve new york city time 12 hours later
so you need to have one of those nfts at that moment of new york time to maybe receive
no no no not the new york time bangkok time so there's 12 hours in there that any transactions
will be ignored okay so cut off point is new year's eve bangkok time and the payment if there
was one would be new york time yes and then there won't be any minting after um new year's eve uh
bangkok time and um you know whatever the aftermarket is on existing uh pyramid coin nfts you know forever
after that it it it doesn't mean anything for for the um the shotgun blast yeah i hope there's an
aftermarket it'll be you know um hopefully there's a little nostalgia hopefully we're all having fun and
you know we'll you remember you know new year's eve um 2023 with with all the great things that are going
on and this will be one of them so yeah it is really exciting and it was cool to receive the
first offer when i bought one of the pyramid coins first in wallet notification i've received so i thought
that was really cool so just uh uh clarify something all the work you've done for this pyramid coin
the total number of pieces of art will that not get released if it's not bought before midnight
or could it still be purchased but just not receive maybe a prison payment sorry a pyramid coin
shotgun blast that's a good question um the answer is the uh nfts will not be released so you know we've
been talking since the beginning that there's an upper limit um of 120 i i don't want to do the
shotgun blast the hypothetical shotgun blast um any bigger than than 100 um uh addresses you know 100
um create coins i'm sorry 120 um so so that's how many nfts have been prepared uh but however many sell
by midnight bangkok time on new year's eve that's it i'm not minting anymore so uh at this point i think
i think the first 17 have sold and and um and generally i keep one minted that that that hasn't
been offered yet so so basically usually there's one being offered and then one more that's been
minted that hasn't been offered yet so there's like you know like two out there that that really don't
have an owner and then um i'll do that basically until midnight bangkok time and then i'll stop
um and so uh like like i said there's there's i think there's 17 or 18 now that are on the market
if we only get to 30 then that's then then there'll be 90 that are never seen
so all that fantastic art you make we just won't see it on this occasion yeah yeah on this yeah i mean
yeah i this this particular um uh collection is pretty topical so i feel like um it's probably that
that's that's all i have to say about that topic i i don't think i'll it i don't think i'll recycle
too much of it i mean some some you know there are running themes you know that never that never go
away but you know um i think they'll just be in a folder somewhere and just never see the light of day
which i i think would be a shame actually um so i'm hoping to get out you know a good number of them
you know there's there's another self-portrait coming there's there's some um
ones that are like specific to um the community
and um in cni there's some commentary on cni i'd like to see all that get out
yeah so the onus is on the community to make sure they buy them up to make sure the new pieces get
shown because yeah i'm sure there's some amazing pieces there all the way up to 120 so will there be
enough time in the day so to speak with the high transactions to get them all out if there's enough
people to buy them by that time which is what nine days away that's a good question right so i mean
the trickling out like two a day or so but um i could step it up um especially in the weekends
but um yeah so i mean it could happen like it's it's technically possible i figured out
you know the right fee to put in and um and i'm doing it all by hand it's all command line um
and by now like i i know i know how to check everything really fast to make sure i'm not
making a mistake and um you know i i've uh i've streamlined the process let's put it that way so
so i can get them out pretty fast okay that's great and if there was a hypothetical shotgun blast which
i'm sure that definitely won't happen but if there was does the number of addresses that
you know could receive it does that affect the the total uh transaction fee if yes like it does great
question yeah it totally does and that's um something i have to figure out um uh clyde wallace
has been really helpful and and basically um walking me through how the ropes work um
with fees and coins and mints and this and that um and um
uh he's been very patient with me let's put it that way um i i've been um kind of uh uh pretty
blunt with him that i think that that some things are are not working well um with the wallet and um
now that he's a cni employee i i i feel like it's my duty to give him a hard time um so he's been very
very patient uh so uh the good thing though is that the shot the hypothetical shotgun blast should be a
a very high value coin um maybe not very high value but but um you know significant significant value so um
i i should be able to attach a you know a pretty significant fee to it and
you know not not feel too bad about it so it should go right through the idea
is that you know if you track the total amount um of fees in a block you know um that's probably the
fee that i'll attach to it you know and the idea is that that hopefully you know farm the farmers
algorithms will pick it up and just say hey i can get a whole blocks worth of fees if i just
do this one transaction and they'll push through mine
so does it work like if the the recommended fee is like 0.0001 let's say to get the shotgun blast through
to 100 people is that is it like 0.0001 multiplied by 100 does it work that way something like that yeah
exactly um so so the the um the way the farmers are you know calculating with what's worth putting
in their blocks is based upon how much clvm you know basically how much chia list you're using
compared to how much fees you're attaching and every address that i add is a it's like i think it's like
like a 32 uh byte um edition of chia list you know it's it's a long string and if i'm putting 120 of
them in you know that's that's pretty significant um so it's it's it's probably a lot like you said
you know where if you add you know a bunch of addresses you have to you have to update the
fees times down at least i see so what's your dream scenario for new year's eve all 120 sold out or
would you rather not quite that many sold out so it wasn't such a high fee it's it's it that's a great
question i'm like torn because um you know i i don't want to give too much away but
the lower number ones are obviously more valuable in terms of the pyramid coin scheme
you know what i mean so so so of course the the higher level ones the payout's not going to be as
good so i didn't really put as much effort into those let's say so it's not the end of the world
if they're not seen at the same time though i think they look really cool i came up with a
like a nice little they they get plainer and plainer over time and and you know what i mean
like the the ones that are coming out now are very are very busy um but like the plainer they get where
it's just like a triangle and a number kind of thing they look kind of cool um so i don't know uh
uh uh i'm okay either way like i'm pretty happy i'm i'm just happy that there's a good market
and you know like i'm able to express myself and it's on a blockchain that'll never go away
and um you know this is something that it just seems like fun so
yeah coming up on let's say maybe five minutes left unless uh anyone wants to carry on the space
i can leave the space running by the way i just will be away from my phone so uh yeah if anyone
wants to carry on then that's all good uh but yeah i think it's worth saying that there's loads of nft
projects on cheer loads of great art loads of great ideas but in terms of actual let's say real
art and i use the term real loosely because what is art who's to define what real is but when i think
of real art i think of something that could hang in a real world gallery based off the art alone and
the number of those projects on cheer i think is a lot less i think off the top of my head you said
mondo monkey kaz definitely falls into that category and i also think your work gerald is
in that category too both san francisco and definitely pyramid coin so i think it's worth uh
giving you a shout out there thank you um there are there are a lot more there's some newcomers
and there's there's someone down there uh steve step don't forget him
well he's a child prodigy he's famous for everything he doesn't need to be a
world-class artist as well even if he is he's we can discuss that next week what's your favorite steve
step collection i don't know the original one the same one nights um the photographs are amazing
why is he laughing he's crying he does great real photography as well i think that's the one that
you refer into the
is it san what was it called san san one something yeah yeah if you type in san basically you'll get
san francisco and and and his thing there he's thumbs up yes and one night
yeah we should be talking to steve next week i think he's going to be on next week's community
spot oh really yeah that's awesome i can't wait for that i want to make sure it's good time for him
because 29th is right in the middle of that festive week so uh i know that in america specifically it's a
big week off so uh make sure that's good but we'll confirm that later so yeah that should be coming
up soon yeah i don't know if uh yeah sorry go ahead no nothing no just steve's been really really
helpful with the pyramid point like you know the confidence that i have that that i'll know the
correct addresses you know at midnight bangkok time um is mostly based upon steve's work
um that's the is it nft wizard something wizard yeah that's it
yeah that's a way of getting the addresses from the uh
is it yeah
yeah you start with the collection you get the nft ids
and then from there you you can get the um the owners yeah chunk has done a really good uh piece
of software as well like that i've seen that work so yeah very useful bits of kit there but uh yeah
it's just around 12 so i don't know if you guys want to carry the space on i'm more than happy to
leave my phone here so uh i'm not sure what you think klaus gerald but uh
uh yeah it's been a an amazing space great to hear space can again tell his story fascinating
insights we're living in a simulation the benefits of meditation and what's coming up for space can
and uh how we reduced the cost from a thousand dollars down to i think it was about 100 150
which is uh really cool and he said lots of the community stepped up to help so
i think that's a great warm christmas message so yeah do you want to carry the space on or do you
want me to rug it as they say
i have to head out it's uh bedtime space appreciate it but um same here nice okay well why don't you uh
uh uh yeah well gerald as you've got the pyramid coin uh fomo buzz going on why don't you take us out
with the final thought same as last week or no two weeks ago sex drugs and rock and roll
