I'll come back to the long-form chat on Chia Network, about Chia Network, I should say.
The best blockchain in the world, question mark, I think so.
With all of its drawbacks, there are loads of them, but there are some big ones.
The pre-farm, but other minor issues, such as funding, but with that being said, for
the brilliance of this project, people love coming out and talking in long-form, and there
are not many communities in the world where people love to talk for hours and hours and
hours, it's 169 hours, 207 hours in a row, which is what two world records Chia community
holds for long-form chats on the thing we call Twitter spaces, so we are back again.
Welcome everyone for coming, and for the people in incognito mode, I know you're listening,
This week, as always, just an open forum, if anyone wants to come up and chat, please
Normally, I talk with Bradley for the first hour or so, and often less than that, and then
when people come up and finish their tea in America or have a glass of whisky, they come
up and anything goes, we'll talk data layer, data layer minions, anything, as a rough topic
to start with, I thought the Chia Friends license could be revisited, did I misspell
The license has got an S right, I need to double check, I know there's two spellings,
but so the Chia Friends license is currently in the middle of a bit of controversy, which
I could have predicted would happen, in fact, I did do a space a while back, I think it
was called Dear Jean, it's on there somewhere, and I addressed this issue before it became
an issue, and so here's the current situation with the Chia Friends license, there's no
doubt Chia Friends is the best NFT collection in the world, that's my opinion, everyone
can have their opinion, but what Seth Jenks did in 2022 was fucking phenomenal, if I don't
What was happening is that Chia's NFT1 standard was about to launch, and with three weeks
to go, there wasn't a community project that really stood out, and was ready to grab the
reins of the NFT1 standard, this was June, at the end of June 2022, so a year and a half,
just over a year and a half ago, and so Jean asked, I think he asked, does anyone want
to work on an NFT project to be a sort of, to be a gold standard, to demonstrate this
standard, the Chia NFT standard, and Seth Jenks, who worked for Chia at the time, he
spent three weeks only, and I think this is one of the things people forget about Chia
Friends, it was made in three weeks, from start to finish, Seth Jenks handmade a 10,000
used collection in three weeks, and put puzzle in it, but still yet to be sold, multi-layered,
and it's absolutely brilliant, I mean, the Chia Friends, it's iconic art, forget about
NFTs, forget about blockchain, as a piece of art, it's brilliant, pixel art, in the
digital era, 10,000 that are all linked with rarity and hidden puzzles and mysteries, and
from this Chia Networks DID, I mean, they're absolutely amazing, the Chia Friends collection
is, it's the best NFT collection in the world, that's my opinion, and it's not there as being
a modern piece of art, however, they overlooked the license, and they put out a shit license,
so I can praise it with a swear word, and I can put it down with a swear word, the first
Chia Friends license was not what was needed, the standard had been set with the mutant
ape license, which made the mutant apes basically a celebrity thing, and it gave commercial
rights to the owner of the board ape, the rights to sell it, to sell t-shirts, to use
it as the face of a burger restaurant, that was the, that was the standard, the mutant
ape board ape NFT license, so when Chia Friends launched, they had a NFT collection that was
orders of magnitude better than the mutant apes on the board apes, and it was airdrop
for free, unfortunately, they attached a license that was restrictive, and I, I mean, I could
open the Chia Friend now and read it, but I know what it said, it basically said you
can't really use this for anything, more or less, okay, so after a while, I guess some
common sense prevailed, and they decided to update the license, and they updated the license
to a slightly better, but still not very good license, in my opinion, not shitty, but just
not very good, but the problem is the license was updated, not with a new NFT, so if you
buy a Chia Friend today, and you think, oh, I wonder what my rights are here, there isn't
a way of knowing from the NFT, you have to guess that it's been updated, and you have
to find a way to find where the new license is that isn't linked to the NFT, because the
whole point of Chia's NFT1 standard, or NFT2 standard, when it gets updated, is there's
a cryptographic license linked to it, so it's disappointing that Chia couldn't see why that
wouldn't work, so I've been trying to raise, blow the whistle, let's say, on this issue
for a while now in spaces, and occasionally I've mentioned it in tweets, so Chia Friends
has a new license that isn't the license linked to the NFT, and that license, which I have
got it bookmarked, but I don't know where it is, is still restrictive, so it's basically
it's a mess, and with such an amazing fucking amazing piece of IP, I mean Chia Friends is,
it's as good as anything Nintendo's got, I mean, well that's a big, maybe I shouldn't
say that, because Nintendo's got iconic video game characters, but the thing is, they've
got one or two, three, four, five characters spread out on different franchises, Chia Friends
has got, what, 15, 20 characters, with like hundreds of different variations that are
all linked, it's all linked to Chia, it's all passionate, the Chia Friends collection
is a piece of IP that must be worth millions of dollars, and I could make an argument billions,
so the perfect situation is anyone can make a Chia Friends derivative project and sell
it as an NFT, that would be, that's the standard, because Chia Friends is art, and you can't
censor art at the base level, if you go in an art gallery, let's say the Tate Modern
in London, you're gonna see pieces of art with the Pepsi logo on it, you're gonna see
pieces of art of copies of the Mona Lisa updated with a silly smile or something, although
the original had a silly smile, but you know, I mean like updated versions, edited different
styles, art is something that shouldn't and can't be censored, so no one should be stopped
from using a piece of art that is out there, whether it's an NFT or otherwise, to make
a variation of it, that they should be able to sell or put online or put in an art gallery,
that's just, we've got an artist coming up now, hey DBC, good to see you, give me one
minute, I'll just finish off my solo rant and then I'll get you up here and we'll talk
about your project, and also I might ask you about this license, but so think of NFTs as
an art gallery, if you went into the Tate Modern and Pepsi said, I don't want my logo
being used on a piece of art in here, get rid of it, well that shouldn't happen, and
it doesn't happen actually, some art is, but by not allowing Chia Friends to be used
by other people, you're essentially at the license level censoring its use, that's just
wrong, it shouldn't happen, so that is a fundamental block in the Chia ecosystem, if the Chia Friends
could be used by people, that would be what promotes it on social media, that's what is
going to see a trend, that's what's going to start trends and lead to groups being formed,
like the data layer minion recruits etc, so that's my mini rant over, I think the Chia
Friends license needs updating, because the Lost Gifs, however you say it, I prefer Gifs,
even though the inventor doesn't, but the Lost Gifs collection on Chia is brilliant,
brilliant art, there's lemmings in it, there's bullet, what they call bullet bills from Mario
in it, the Lost Gifs collection is a tribute from the nice place, but it started to be censored on
Mint Garden and deleted, and I'm sure the creator doesn't feel that good about it, so my opinion is
he's done nothing, or she has done nothing wrong, and neither has the owner who said they want it
taken down, because they within the right, the license, have the right to stop it being used,
that should not be the case in my opinion, with that being said, let's get DBC up on stage,
and other opinions are available, so please come and give your opinion, what would be the perfect
Chia Friends license, come up and say in the first few minutes, whilst people when they
play back are more likely to listen. Okay, so another, I'll just wait for him to, hey DBC,
how's it going there, can you hear? Yeah, quite well, thank you for asking me to come up and drop
in if I felt like it, I appreciate it. Yeah, you're welcome anytime, so I know you're an artist on
Chia, and there's been a little bit of, well in the art world of Chia, a little bit of controversy
in the last couple of weeks in general, but the mic's yours, by all means introduce yourself, and
I've got questions etc, but if you'd like to say anything, please take it away.
Well, I mean, I usually come into these things with an open mind, and I'm happy to answer
questions and stuff, I don't really have anything I want to say or need to say, but I really, I will
respond to what you were saying, just but as a brief introduction, my name is Douglas Kretz,
I have a long history as an artist, though specifically more with written word, I have a
creative arts degree from a university where I studied fine arts and stuff, but doing visual
art is something I've done only recently, and doing digital art is something that I've only done
within the past three years, so it's been a completely new experience for me to try to learn
about the development process behind it, and you know, to have discussions like this that are kind
of elaborating on a constantly evolving set of principles about what art is, and how to use it
and do ways and stuff like that, so yeah, that's kind of like a discussion I like to have,
I agree with you, so that my response is that I kind of agree with you, that I think
having really restrictive licensing or just really restrictively interpreting licensing is
kind of like taking the art out of it in a way, but also in a sense it kind of puts the art in it,
because that's the, you know, art itself is about that discussion, it's about the tension and the
disagreements and challenges that come from that kind of stuff, so it's all, I think it's all
welcome because, you know, you have to use friction to create things, I think.
I like that, the friction areas needs to be discussed and that's where creativity comes
from, so what do you think would be a perfect license for an NFT piece of art?
I don't really know, because I don't consider myself an expert on licenses, but I think as,
you know, do with what you want with the art, I mean, I can speak personally that when I create
something, it's not really so that I have control over it after it's created, it's so that people
can enjoy it or hate it or burn it or send it to their mother-in-law, it's not really for me to say
commercially, the best way that you as the buyer should use it, that's kind of my stance, I don't
know how that would play out in terms of an actual license, but I tend to like the Creative
Commons licenses that allow you to do whatever you want with the image. I think my art is a little
bit different in that there is a part of my art that is all physical, so I think of the NFT
not necessarily as the art, I think of it as just a marker that is like a ledger entry and the image
attached to it is a just a reminder or a mnemonic of what the transaction was for. I'm not limiting
my understanding of NFTs to that, but that's how I've been using them. There are some stuff, there
is some stuff that I'm going to be doing later that is more on-chain with like ordinals and
inscriptions and stuff that I'm kind of getting my head around first that are particularly useful,
I think, for the kind of environment I live in where literally artists are prohibited from
showing their art or participating in exhibitions because Hong Kong authorities and central
government, you know, CCP employees believe the artist is too vocal about democracy or too vocal
against the Communist Party. So having something that is entirely uncensorable is pretty desirable
because there's nothing people can do to eliminate it, and I think artists would really
benefit from understanding that. So I'm definitely looking into that stuff to kind of figure out
what can I do in both the physical and the digital world that plays with that stuff,
like as a kind of system, not necessarily as just a visual object.
Yeah, sure. It's like a new system here. And of course, people could argue that NFTs aren't
here by definition are not censorable, because it's the NFTs out there. But of course, if there's
just three or four galleries that show it, and they all decide to, well, we'll just block that
collection. Yeah. Whether it's at the blockchain level, uncensorable, the outcomes are same,
that bit of information is missing. And I'm kind of, as an extreme, I'm worried that someone's
going to create a piece of art that has the capability of freeing the Chinese from the
Communist Party or changing the world. And because there's a wrong policy on it,
that gets blocked and not seen. So that's kind of what I'm worried about at the fringe. But
yeah, you're in Hong Kong, I guess. I know you told me that. But yeah, what's it like over there?
Well, I've lived here for off and on for nearly 21 years. So I've seen Hong Kong is like really
different than it used to be. I don't know if you're referring to the art scene or just
the culture here or whatnot, but it's a very fast paced kind of city, very dense, but also
filled with a lot of nature. It's art scene, I think has struggled in recent years because
there's been a lot of chaotic government events and protests and COVID and whatnot.
But there is still a thriving local scene that plays out in everything from graffiti to
performance art. I mean, it's got two huge, wonderful contemporary art museums that are
filled with local talent and also like mainland talent and some international exposure to like
classics and stuff like that. It's a very cosmopolitan city and complicated. So yeah,
it's a really great place, I think, to create. It's a kind of a mixture between Blade Runner and
Balzac and the Little Chinese Seamstress, I guess. It's a kind of interesting
Yeah, I've been there before a couple of times. I really like it. I went to that. I think there's
a beach out there where every so often there's a shark attack. I don't know.
Yeah. It was, does this beach, I'd say 20 minutes from the city by bus, a sort of beach area.
And then I think, yeah, 20 years ago, there was like some sort of...
Oh, right. Yeah. So like Dai Long Wan or whatever it's the,
on the, I think it's on the Saikon Peninsula you're talking about.
I think so. I think, yeah, I think so.
A lot of shark encounters in Hong Kong, not so much these days, but there were definitely 20,
Yeah. That's it. That story stuck out. Who wants to die by being hit and by a shark?
That'll be one of the worst ways to go, but.
Yeah. So could you tell us about your art on Chia and perhaps also how you got involved
with Chia as well and why it stood out?
Yeah. Sure. Well, the stuff that I'm doing now is, like I said before, it's kind of a mixture
between digital and physical stuff. It's not fidgetile art because it's not really
an interaction with the blockchain that involves interacting with the art. It's just sort of like,
for me, it's like an accounting ledger. I had been doing stuff with ETH and I had sold like
130 something pieces of art in the last year and a half. And I really personally don't have
any kind of ideological connections to this blockchain or the other blockchain.
For me, it's just been experimentation and mostly about just going where friends of
mine had been talking about or I had found some sort of communities there that were using it.
And I was just kind of like if you go back and look at my whole kind of path in the past two
and a half years or so, you'll see I've gone from meme kind of art to more, I guess you might call
it classically fine art art that deals with ink and paint and pastels, graphite, collage and
like everything. And I recently kind of put a lot of my attention on Chia just because of the NFT1
standard and that I don't really know that much about, but I had become intrigued while I was
learning how to do more development and learning more about blockchain, about the token as the
contract or the token, the programmable token. And that seems to me to be a wonderful kind of
both in a metaphorical sense and in a real practical technical sense, a really innovative
way of dealing with both marketing, sales and collecting and actually art as a kind of digital
performance and a kind of like fluid interaction with the visual field or whatever that is.
The GUI is a monumental change in the way we think about
interaction with visual objects on the computer in line with the invention of the book,
the printed book. And to see what's going on with blockchain and the idea of like data as being a
place, not just an object. And it being also a system and a method, not just a point of
informatics or information is like really cool for artists to think about, I think. And I think
more artists would kind of find Chia to be an exciting place to experiment. It doesn't seem
like in ETH, you have that same kind of, I would say intimacy with the data because it seems like,
and I am not technical, but it seems like there are a lot of layers to interacting with a contract.
And there are a lot of ways in which there's intercessions and like hindrances and affordances
in the smart contracts that seem a bit like it's not fully all of the same thing. It's all kind of
like nuts and bolts kind of putting things together. And what I like about Chia is the way that,
I mean, and they're really simplistic things. It's just like the way as an artist, if I make
something and I want to sell it, I can create the offer file and I can create what I want the token
to do. And it gives both the buyer and me a lot of not necessarily just control, but like power
of like there's more that can always be done with these things. Like there's, you know what I mean?
And that was really interesting to me. And since I had a lot of ignorance about it,
it seemed like since Chia was relatively young and it looked different, then I would try to learn as
much as I could and kind of try to grow with the blockchain and the network. So I began just using
Mint Garden, you know, and the CLI wallet or whatever that is. And in a really amateur
sense, just trying to mint stuff and see if people would find it interesting. And yeah,
that's, it is interesting and it's become challenging and it's really rewarding to be
so challenging. It's very interesting to me. So that's kind of where I am now.
That's brilliant. What do you find better about minting NFTs on Chia versus what you found on
Ethereum? Well, so far, and I could be really naive in saying this because I might not understand
what I'm talking about, but like I felt like in order to mint things on Ethereum, you really had
to rely on third parties. Like, and I guess you do kind of have to rely on a third party in terms
of like an interface and stuff with Chia, but I think what's different about it is that I don't
feel branded by the interface that I'm using and I don't feel, so there's this idea of like the white
cube space and like physical art, right? And the kind of, the way I understand it is that the white
cube space is supposed to be this very neutral white space where all art can function within
the space and it's sort of adapted to the space by the gallerists or the artists. And it seems like
the equivalent of that in Ethereum is that it seems like the gallerist in Ethereum has a lot
more control over how that art is presented and how it's manufactured because that in a blockchain,
I think the manufacturing of the art as an NFT or the linking of it to an NFT is a very integral
process in the integral part of the process. So it seems not neutral to me, right? The whole fight
over royalties seem to me to be an evidence of, wow, you know, at any time if anybody outside of
the artist or the gallerist or the collector, whoever that may be, has a different idea about
how they want a platform to behave, then those changes to the platform behavior will instantly
affect what the artist is trying to do and what they can get out of their work. And it didn't
seem that way with Chia or it doesn't seem that way now. So I can create an offer file. I do not
depend on Mint Garden for it. I could find other ways to do it, you know, like Mint Garden doesn't
necessarily shape how I'm making the art, right? At least not in the way that I'm using it now.
And the fact that I can keep my royalties seems a lot more interesting to me.
Sorry, I have a very loud parrot, so you'll hear him from time to time. And he's hungry. So I mean,
I hope that answers your question. I mean, I don't have, I'm a very simplistic kind of naive person
when it comes to the technical aspects of Chia blockchain and the network. But for me, that's the
kind of superficial difference that I find. Yeah, brilliant. I love the fact that you
consider it sort of unbranded and you don't really have to use a third party. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, welcome up on stage, the co-host Bradley. You just came in at DBC as an artist
in Hong Kong and has released stuff on Chia. So I invited him up to talk this week, which is welcome
anytime. But with the time zones, it was pretty convenient to do it now, I suppose. So yeah,
there was there was a little bit of, I suppose, controversy in the last couple of weeks with,
I saw some tweets you were sending, and I couldn't really figure out what was going on. But I don't
know if you want to address that or. Well, I mean, so I will address it with a couple caveats.
I do not have any personal grievances against particular individuals. So that's the first
thing that I'll say. Most everything that you'll see me do online is mostly about ideas. I may
sound sarcastic. I may sound flippant. I may even seem acerbic to people, but I don't really have
any personal, at least I don't carry any resentments about anybody. So I want to just make sure that's
up front. I can explain my view of what the controversy is, if you want. But I don't even
know if I have the full picture of what it is, because it seemed kind of some of it seemed to
come out of left field and wasn't entirely within my observation of it, honestly. But it kind of,
the way that I have understood it is that I was part of some DM group I was invited to participate
in, having a great time. Somebody had said something in a flippant manner that we needed
more D gen culture in Chia. And I said in an equally flippant manner, I would prefer if we
didn't have more D gen culture. This erupted into a kind of shouting match, I guess, where someone
got particularly inflamed about me making that comment, and then started making really personal
attacks and calling me a dipshit because of it. And I was like, okay, well, it's just my opinion.
It's not really like I'm dictating to you what you need to do with the blockchain. But he was
actually saying, like, stop telling people what to do with the blockchain. And I'm like, I don't
think anyone did. But so it kind of it kept going back and forth and cycling and cycling. And then
my understanding of what happened next is that I think future Adora or somebody recommended doing
a space and then a space got started. And my understanding of the space was, hey, this is a
place to kind of talk about this debate of like, what was the influence of D gen culture on the
formation of the marketplace for NFTs. My position on that I joined the space and Michael Taylor
happened to be there. I think he was completely coincidental to that discussion had nothing to
do with it. But he happened to be there talking. I was invited on stage and my premise was and
still is my point has always been, when you look back at the history of NFTs, D gen culture shaped
the way things like 10k collections were created on Ethereum. And that really shaped the way other
blockchain platforms and their founders or their operators looked at the presentation of NFTs as
art. And that was my point. That that is all and I said, I said, for example, when you look at 10k
collections, it is perceived that 10k collections are fundraising models, like people are using them
to make money. And I so I said to Michael Taylor, as an example, a rhetorical example,
why choose to do 10k collections? Like what is like, why not 1000? Or why not 2000? But 10k
is a model for that. It's for making money. This was perceived, whether it was through my tone,
or maybe particular language that I use, that I was, quote unquote, shitting on Michael Taylor. And
I don't believe that Michael Taylor believed that I was shitting on him because I had personal
messages from him privately in DMS that said the opposite. So so that happened. And then the next
thing that happened after I left the space was that Michael Taylor took a piece of art. Oh,
another point. This is a point of fact that I think is worth observing. Michael Taylor said,
you know, I bought your art because I wanted to support you. And I said, of course, and I bought
a data I gave you I gave money to you directly from my art sales to support data layer. So to me,
it didn't seem like that any of that was in question. And I thought that was a resolved issue.
I have respect for Michael Taylor. And I thought what he was doing was good, which is why I
contribute money to him. He then said in a DM to me, I want to give you a data layer minion
for supporting data layer. And I said, No, no, don't do that. I will buy it from you because I
want you to have my money so that you will benefit and use it for your funding.
So the next thing I know is that Michael Taylor then sells my art that he had bought from me from
like for 19 Chia for one mojo. And I looked at that and I was like, well, that's clearly a
statement. Like he's trying to make some statement. But how did we go from everything's all cool to
I support you? Yeah, let's let this whole thing blow over to I'm going to make a statement about
the artist by selling his work for one mojo. Now I will reiterate, I have no grievance against
Michael Taylor. I'm not upset at him. I even told him you can do with what you want with the art.
That is why it's there. I strongly believe in that. I will not control what you do with art,
you do what you got to do. Right. And I will do what I do when I want to make art.
Right. This isn't a kindergarten. We don't need the teacher to be like, okay, boys,
let's treat each other with respect. And like, I didn't think we need any of that,
because I didn't not respect him. So so he sells it. And I find out that I guess Tim
monkey zoo or whatever had bought it. And it was a very funny, I thought it was very funny. I said,
I think I think monkey zoo is the owner of this. And I said, did did you all coordinate the sale
together? And then monkey zoo said, No, I just saw a really great deal. And I took it. And I thought
that was really funny. I was like, you're nice. And I actually thanked him for it. Because I don't
know if he was being sarcastic or what, but I thought, Yeah, I appreciate that. That is a deal,
I think. And then at the same time, like completely parallel to this and not even coordinated with it,
I had been renovating my house in Hong Kong. So I was staying in a hotel while all this was going
on. The only thing that I had in my hotel room was a scroll of long kind of like ratty calligraphy
as an artist. And I thought, you know, I'm going to do something with this and kind of make them a
metaphorical kind of like position on how I feel about art. So I created something called shroud
of the collector, which just took a bunch of Vaseline on a piece of paper and pressed it against
the art that I was already working on. And then I put in the sort of provenance, or whatever you
want to call it the kind of detailed description of the art, the story of what happened. I put it
up for auction, and then somebody bought it for like 1.11 chia. And so then I created I finished
the other painting that I was making. And then I said, Well, these two things now go together.
So one is the shroud that goes over the painting. And the thing under the shroud is the sort of dead
artists who doesn't have any agency doesn't have any sort of like, say and how his shroud is being
interpreted. And so I'm now selling that on an auction for I think it's at two chia now.
To me, I think art has to always be a kind of performance. It's not necessarily just an
aesthetic visual thing. It has to be it has to be something that
arrives with understanding of who the artist is, you know, doing a bit of forensics. My personal
process with art is to think of material as something that has to be examined forensically.
It's not just making something that looks like something. It's kind of figuring out what the
material does to make it look like something. So that's what my two pieces of art are doing on
chia right now. Somebody has bought the shroud of the collector. I don't know who it is.
It's a physical item. It comes in a frame with a silver hammer so you can break the glass that
it's framed in and find out what else is on it because there are inscriptions on it. There are
other details on it that aren't visible in the photo of it. But that person has not claimed it.
So it remains in my house, ready to be framed at the discretion of the buyer. And then the second
one is in auction now. Same thing, it will be framed free of charge, sent to the buyer for
their collection and a small silver hammer will be included in it because there are definitely
layers to that painting that you can kind of peel back or unfold to see what else is there.
With all of my physical art, I always send a letter from me handwritten on calligraphy paper,
like a scroll of it, that explains the story of the art, the story of myself, and how it relates
to that particular item. And then the rest is up to the buyer and the collector to do with that
what they wish. So that's the controversy, if you will. I don't really see it as a controversy. I
just see it as part of the unfolding of how an artist is known by a collection, or by a crew,
or a community, or a culture. It's just a work. It's just work that I do
to constantly turn my experience into something that can be interpreted.
Yeah, I like your take on it. And I think you've got the right mindset. You don't even see it as
a negative. No, it's not. That's the way. I am extremely tolerant of people's points of view
because I feel free to say what my point of view is. It's not zero sum. All opinions can exist.
We don't need tribes, or collectives, or gangs, or whatever you want to call them,
conscription crews, to enforce an ideology. We should be additive and heterogeneous. We should
be mixing everybody's point of view because that's how you move everybody forward. So there's no
reason to take a negative bias to it. Yeah, for sure. And also, I think what happened was maybe
partly a function of the written form, the tweet form. I know you said there was a space, but
it's very hard to get someone's tone and character from text, especially if you're,
as you said, sarcastic or acerbic, which I am as well. I don't really deal in the written form
that well. But I feel that when I can speak to someone, there is a much ambiguity. So that's
another reason I wanted to get you on stage. I appreciate that. And if you don't mind, I'd
also like to make a point about what I think to be part and parcel of collective communities on
the web. And that is we substitute collective thinking with kind of corporate mindset. If we
can all agree that we're all in it for the same mission, then it's much easier to communicate
in a web space where it is hard to discern the nuances or the complexities of somebody's point
of view. I feel that art is supposed to exist in that space to kind of clear out the space
to make it possible to do that. And I think that's really fun. I think that's what's, you know,
whether people get antagonistic about it or upset about it, or they feel joy about it,
it's all part of the response mechanism. But I think it is important to draw a distinction
between Pavlovian responses to symbology or people or personalities and actual individual
discourse, which is different. Yeah, you almost lost me at Pavlovian. I know what that means,
but I didn't quite get the final point there. Corporate mindset. So you react to something
and a trained kind of mechanism. Like you see something that everybody in the collective agrees
is true. You pump your bags, right? That's what the culture is geared to do. That's how it works.
Everyone knows that it works that way, right? But if you point it out, that doesn't make people feel
comfortable, I think. Absolutely. Yeah, it's great. You've got physical art linked to your
NFT art. And also you've got that. I mean, Michael Taylor bought it for, what was it? 10 chia?
Or 20 chia and sold it? 19 and sold it for one mojo, which is great. I mean, I, but like,
if you think about it is like, who really benefits from that? I do. Right? Because he,
well, or he does, but Michael doesn't really benefit because he lost 19 chia on it. Like,
why would you do that? Well, he, his name is being talked about now. If you take it, you know,
controversy creates cash, then it's actually, I mean, I'm sure that wasn't his intention,
but yeah, it's, he gets the value of like having owned that piece. So that's always linked to it.
Yeah. That's what makes DID ownership. So special on chia.
Yeah. And my, and my point was, my point was, but, but what I'm trying to say by benefit is
in a way, nothing like that would have happened unless the art existed in the first place,
because the art serves as an anchor for allowing that kind of, uh, insurgency mindset or, or
guerilla mindset. You know what I mean? Or it, or it enables the ability to collectively
anchor everyone's perception on this is how the new Renaissance works. You know what I mean? So
it's like, that's what the arts there to do. So by all means, right? Use it, use it for what it's
worth or not worth for that matter. I'm, I'm thinking that that was the most, uh, let's say
monkeys who've got the best ever value by in, in chia history. It was, there's what a trillion
mojo's in, uh, uh, one cheer. Is that right? Yeah. One trillion. And it was close to 20
cheers. So it's 20 times a trillion. It's 20 trillion times cheaper monkeys who've got it
for than the previous sale. I think that is a, that's why you said, that's why you said I got a
deal. I think that I thought that was hilarious. It's going to be hard to talk that I don't know
if that will ever happen again. Will anyone ever sell a something they bought for 20 cheer for one?
It's history. It's history, my friends. It's a history. It's a history and a historical
moment in Chia art. And we were there to witness it from the guy who's developing the data layer.
Yeah, exactly. It all worked out as planned. It was all planned. My friend,
it was all part of the plan. I'm being facetious, but, but great. I'm really happy that it worked
out that way. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, that's great. Well, what else are you working on right now?
Talking to a few people in the Chia community about doing some like inscription type of things
and some work with, uh, electricity and, uh, physical work and, uh, art that changes with
the status of the blockchain or the mempool. So we'll see what happens. It's, I'm not going to
just stick to one type of art. Well, that's good to hear. It sounds like you're dragging the art
eco fit system forward. If anyone wants to come up and ask, I don't know how long you've got PBC.
I know you have your, uh, uh, I have like five minutes and then I have to go to my meeting,
but yeah, five, eight minutes, something like that. Okay. If anyone wants to ask DVC a question,
Bradley, I'm slightly worried. You're glitched by the co-host audio glitch. Could I just check?
No, sir. I've just been listening. Yeah. Yeah. Pleasure to hear your, your, uh, you're up here
and welcome to the Chia ecosystem. Um, yeah, again, not been part of the controversy, but
obviously, you know, there are always, you know, two parts to the story. And, and obviously like,
I think that was very correct in, in the fact of, you know, sometimes in spaces, even in just text,
even in the chance of talking to one another, especially not knowing each other, um, things
can get taken the wrong way. Um, but, but knowing the other person, an individual, um, I feel like
there was some sort of positive thing behind it, not necessarily a negative. Um, and I know monkey
zoo probably was the biggest one to benefit from it other than yourself of, of getting it for one
mojo. Um, and the history of the blockchain of it's selling for 19 XCH that, you know, there's not
that many NFTs that sell for that. Um, so that being in the history, people are always looking
to scoop up good deals. So I think it really puts more of a spotlight on you, especially, uh, you
know, who he is. And, uh, and I guess, again, the, the sale for history. Um, but I want to ask you
what drove you to, uh, the, the hidden mysteries behind your art, like what inspires you to,
in my perspective, um, to have the user look within the painting as well as looking within
themselves. Um, probably the fact that I think in the postmodern world of art,
that's considered no longer possible. And I have like my background in, in education is that I
spent a couple of years doing research on the construction of the Renaissance book,
like how the early modern book and the printing press came into being. So my, my background in
research is like, you know, like actually holding old manuscripts and stuff from like the medieval
period and the Renaissance period. So my, that was my focus. I did, you know, I started out as a
writer and as a poet, I got a fine arts degree in creative writing from Syracuse university.
And I worked at the Folger Shakespeare library. And when I was working at the Folger Shakespeare
library, I became really, really interested in the illuminated manuscript and like the
purpose of vellum and the purpose of like handwritten texts and stuff and the way people
shared books. And I never really considered myself a visual artist and probably people will look at
what I do and still consider me not a visual artist, which is cool. But I kind of think of
all objects as being vehicles of meaning that don't really have meaning until it kind of
interacts with the audience. So it's interesting that you call like, like a mystery or something
kind of hidden within the painting, I do focus on peridalia, like the idea of like, you know,
seeing a face in a cloud or something like that. So I'll make art that looks one way when it's
upside down and looks another way when it's upside up. And when it, when they actually both look like
things, like there's one of them for sale now on my profile, one of them looks like a samurai
with his sword and sort of the landscape and the other one looks like, like the primordial ocean
that has like weird kind of archaic, ancient one cell organisms in it. So I think that wherever
there's a mind and an eye and they get together and they have an object to interact with,
there's no telling what you can kind of draw out of it. So I consider that to be
one of the primary functions of art, not necessarily an image. I kind of distinct,
I make a distinction between an image and a piece of visual object hood.
One of them requires not just an interpretation of the intention behind the image,
but that and the intention of the artist and the intention of the way the culture kind of
interacts with it and the material. So like you have to kind of look at the material and what
the material is doing to get a little bit of understanding of what the visual object hood
is doing. And that comes from my experience later in life when I started studying Chinese art,
which takes a teleological view of nature, that nature has intentions and the work of the artist
is to kind of let the intentions of nature filter through the artist's hand. So it's not that I know
those things or I'm a genius in those things or even an expert, it's just me experimenting with
whether or not those things are true. They may or may not be, I don't know, but that's the objects
are there as evidence that there was an experiment done. That's why I'm going to be moving into like
strictly on chain like inscription art and whatnot, because I think there's actually a parallel or a
correlation between the Chinese view of aesthetics and what you do with data and code. It's the same
kind of principle. The internet or the machine, the virtual machine, is nature. It has an intention
behind it that's always changing. And the developer and the person doing code is filtering that
intention of the machine collective through his or her manipulation of the bytes and the electricity.
So I think that there's like a really strong parallel there. And I think that you shouldn't
look at NFTs as pieces of art and strictly say it's a bunch of bullshit. You should look at the
code and also look at the intentions behind the code and figure out what the art is. So I'm going
to play in that space and see what I can learn from it. Well, I'm jealous of you holding ancient
manuscripts. I am a nerd at heart and a history nerd at that. So dreams since the childhood of
doing that, that alone must be a really cool fact. But yeah, that's a really cool inspiration
for your art. And thank you for answering my question. You're welcome. I got like three,
I literally, sorry, I have like three minutes left. So I don't want to have to break. But
if you want me to say anything or if you have questions or I just maybe I'll just take three
minutes or a minute and a half and just say thank you, Edward. I appreciate it. You reached out to
me earlier and was like, hey, I do this thing. I think these things are great for a growing
software development community. We were talking earlier in the Discord about like, you cannot
have open source community or open source code and software without evangelism. So what you do
is entirely important to the space. And I really respect it. And thank you very much for inviting
me. I think your co-host's name is Bradley. Is that right? Yeah. Yes, sir. Well, yeah. And thank
you for like being here too. I really appreciate like having an experience and learning from it. So
anytime you all want to hang out or chat or ask me questions, I'm online.
You can accost me or slander me or you can just ask a question and I'm always here to answer.
Yes. So thank you very much. You're more than welcome. If you were to summarize
DBC in one word, what would it be? HENPECT, because I am married.
Anyway, I got to go. I have no idea how you answer my question. Yeah. See you later. Bye.
Thanks, DBC. What a nice chat. Interesting. We started with talking about the Chia Friends license
and then DBC came up and addressed some of the controversy, but it seems that he's pragmatic
about whatever the controversy was. But Bradley, how are you doing today, my friend? Chia Friends
license. There's a bit of controversy there as well. What's up in the world? I'm doing well,
my friend. It's good to hear your voice. Looking forward to it. Been a crazy week,
you know, on our end and been looking forward to my Thursday night with my buddy, Ed.
Yeah. Good to see you. Oh, I wish I was seeing you, but it's good to hear you, my friend.
I can see you. One day. Oh, one day we're going to be having a beer together.
Yeah, maybe. You have a camera? Where is it?
Well, it's hidden. I can't tell you that. Let me put some underwire on at least then.
Yeah, yeah, for sure. You look nice.
How have you been? It was nice to hear that Gao Wow was in the background in the early space.
It makes me feel like I'm right in Thailand.
We've got a request to come up. Ooh, double miss. Let's look who it is. It's the
it's the motivational visionaries themselves.
And food, food and DJ and waffle double whammy. Wow.
What could also be for me to go in early in the space. I actually been an hour already.
I want to thank everybody for for popping in the room. I see a lot of new faces,
a lot of hex crowd in here. Thank you guys for popping in the room tonight.
Welcome. Welcome. Josh is coming up to the stage too.
They're all coming up. It's flooding. Can, can you, am I not hearing art?
I can hear you. Can you hear me?
You just know that you did you hear in there? No, well, you do. Yeah, let me just spin the
block real quick. Oh, I'll just say, uh, I probably won't stick for a long time. I will say that I
brought some friends and I told them if they didn't, uh, raid this room with as many people
as possible, I was going to blacklist them often got wireless. So love you Edward. Keep kicking.
Be done. Your power has gone to your head, buddy.
Bradley said, oh, he's gone. I guess he's going to maybe come back up.
Yeah. It's been a wild week. What now? What's the controversy on the license? Do they update it?
Well, they have updated it once, obviously from the cryptographically hashed version,
but recently, but what happened is someone has launched a collection called lost, lost gifts.
I'm not saying gift. It just doesn't sound right. Lost gifts. And, uh, and you've got like,
like I actually traded one the other day for a Chia friend for like six, six, seven, eight
Chia. So I'm really happy with that. But it's an amazing collection. It's got lemmings on it that
are animated. It's got Mario characters, but basically technically it breaks the license
because, well, as I said earlier in the thing, I think the Chia friends license sucks. It's not
what it should be, but because it's been one of the, I won't say who it is, even though it's out
there, although he did just messaged me. I'm sure he will mind me saying his name, but one of the
community members owns one of the Chia friends. It was derived from, it's a derivative. And
basically those two lost Jeff Chia friends have been sort of censored from mint card.
But by Acevale who's in the middle of it and Acevale has done nothing wrong. Neither has
the person who asked for it to be censored and neither has, I don't think even the artist has
done anything wrong. Art should be derived and copied and changed. So that's the controversy.
So I thought having an open forum to discuss it and get other people's thoughts on, you know,
what would be a good license and is it a storm in a teacup? I think it's a bigger issue than that.
That Chia friends collection is so iconic to Chia. It's like a visual
network that connects everyone in Chia from the first year or two. And to have a controversy
about it, I don't think it's healthy. So I thought I'd raise it. But yeah, I don't know if you've got
thoughts or Josh or food or anyone in the audience. Yeah, I'd welcome somebody else to the conversation.
I mean, it's really difficult from, you know, a creator standpoint to understand
even from CNI standpoint of what this is to become. Granted, they had the starting point
of this being the flagship project of NFTs on Chia. But really to understand, you know,
the love, the passion, and really the growth and branding that it's brought to the NFT world
through the Chia ecosystem kind of changes, you know, the dynamic of us understanding,
you know, hindsight is 2020, right? So yes, they've done the update of it. But again,
there might be certain stipulations that they have to stick to, again, going to, you know,
what their plans are overall. I don't know, I just try to see from all aspects, I understand
the frustration, you know, into the derivatives. But as a creator of a project, understanding that
you're creating derivative, you really do have to stick to that original license, no matter how fair
it may be, from your perspective or not. But I'll open the floor to anybody else who wants to
put their thoughts on it.
Oh, I was just gonna say when we start censoring things, it's a slippery slope.
I mean, up until NFTs were even a thing, people, you could just copy paste your artwork.
So the fact that people are getting compensated for artwork period is a bonus.
I don't know, I just think it sets a slippery precedent. I think that, yeah, you're right,
art should be derived. And I think they are different pieces of art. I don't think they
are the same as Chia friends. So, I mean, I think there shouldn't be really an argument.
I think it's within the bounds of commons that, I don't know, to me, I think there really isn't a
controversy. People are complaining about things that they don't understand, I feel like, or
they're, I don't know, like, it seems like a little bit of an emotional response to
probably something that isn't as big of a deal as you might think.
I think, I agree on all counts. In fact, I think that's a smart default position to take,
which is, you know, censorship bad. That's just like my default position. But I also would like
to hear from the person who was harmed, I guess, in this, like, whoever came, whoever
went to Mint Garden and said, hey, I don't like this, or I want you to censor it. I'd like to
hear their perspective. So, before I make any sort of judgment, my default position is the
same as yours. Censorship bad. But I don't understand the issue yet. So, I reserve judgment.
Yeah. Like, what's stopping me from just going and copy-pacing is profile picture and using it as
my own. You can't tell me no. Right? Like, that still exists. Like, as soon as you put your profile
picture on Twitter, you don't even own it anymore. Twitter owns it. Right? So, I mean, like, there's,
these licenses are loose at best. Right? So, I mean, they're nice to have, but until any of them
are proven. I will say something. Oh, sorry. I thought you were finished. No, go ahead. I'm pretty,
I'm pretty much done. Like, there's not a whole really lot to say on it. I think it's censorship
bad. Like, just got to be careful, like, what we're censoring and how. I was going to, I was
going to comment on your Twitter, you know, when you put it out there, Twitter already owns it,
which is partly true. And I learned this from my seed snap days, by the way, after talking to
appropriate people that would give me good advice, legal advice about this stuff. So, yes, the Twitter
license, the user agreement, or X, I should say nowadays, if you actually read the terms of service,
when you post something to Twitter or X, you are giving every other user of X a royalty-free
redistribution license to that thing. That is part of the terms of service right there built into the
contract. Now, where that runs up against problems is if you are not the original copyright holder
of the thing you are posting. Now, the original cop, you basically, the terms of service say that
when you post something, you are implicitly stating that you are the only one that can post
that in the first place. And that you also give rights to every other user on Twitter to use it.
So, if you are not the original rights holder, then obviously you don't have the ability to give
those rights away. And now the rights holder could come after you or ask Twitter to take it down or
et cetera. So, it's kind of nuanced. But yes, basically, if you are the original copyright
holder and you posted to Twitter, then you have given everybody a royalty-free license for it.
And that's commercial. That's fascinating. Check it out.
Yeah. Look at the TOS. It's literally commercial. I mean, people can print T-shirts. They can do
whatever they want with it. It is literally wide open. And if you think about it, it almost has to
be that way because otherwise, like, just re-tweets wouldn't work, right? Like, you know, people would
sue each other in all kinds of crazy stuff. So, yeah, be very careful with what you post original
art, especially if you just be aware of that. And, you know, obviously, I'm not a liar. So,
talk to somebody who actually knows what they're talking about if you're really worried about it.
But, yeah, the TOS is pretty eye-opening when you read it.
Yeah, for sure. I could just give a quick plug to the Space Aliens.
Chia Music Space Aliens is that license. Give anyone full commercial rights on it.
And it's focused on digital being the next big thing.
Digital is good. That's something I learned recently. So, the Chia Music Space Aliens just
gets rid of all of that. It says anyone can use any image from it for anything whatsoever. And if
you own one Chia Music Space Alien, you can sell anything or use any of the 333 as a brand.
And I think that's the way forward. So, hopefully, the Chia friends
will kind of learn from that. But, yeah, do you have to take it away, Dejan?
Uh, yeah, I was literally... I was literally fucking joining on every device I could,
and I finally got my phone to work. Because this is... I did not know this, and I am so interested
in this conversation. I will say that my neckbeard punks on Chia, not a shill. You shouldn't buy them.
They're terrible. I will say that every one of them came with a license that said,
if you own this, you can do whatever the hell you want with it. Because once you own the asset,
you can't copy it. What the fuck are you talking about? It's like... I mean, don't get me wrong. If
you make a shitty theft and you don't create something new with it, no one's gonna buy it.
I'm looking here... like, I'm looking here at these lost friends, and what I'm seeing is a derivative.
I mean, they can't be the same. They're two different file types.
They're... they're two different file types. Clearly, looking at one, you can see a clear
and total difference between the original, and it... one thing that a lot of people forget is that
the derivative is bringing value back to the Chia friends. I don't know. It's weird. How can you
have... it's weird. Sorry, I cut you off. This is why I say I would like to hear... I mean, of course,
there's no reason that they have to come forward, but I would love to hear the actual reasoning
behind whoever it is, because that's... I mean, obviously, there's something. You know, I... I'm not
just gonna say it's silly if I don't understand it. It's... what's the... the Chesterston... Chesterston fence,
right? If you don't... if you don't understand why the fence is there, don't take it down yet, right?
Yeah, that is interesting. I'd like to know who actually applied for that. Are the Chia friends
copyrighted? Yes, and the license is not the one on the hash. That's a big part of the problem.
But yeah, let's... I see welcome Fidgetil to the stage, and also Naz as well. I think Naz, you
came up first, so the mic's yours. We'll go to Fidgetil next. GMGM, guys. I'm not going to take
much of your time. Thank you very much for having me on stage. I don't really have much to add to the
conversation other than I just can't believe that a random post that I applied to a year ago
has come full circle today. All three of the guys who... I didn't have a clue about who you guys were,
are all on stage today, and I love you all. And Art, I don't know if anything ever happened or not,
I've pinned it at the top, if you want to get a chance later on. Did anything ever come of that?
Are you talking about the Chia song?
It's pinned at the top now.
It's still in the works. I actually have been asking Dejan to get with me to do the guitar parts.
So I just bought a house in November and was able to finally start setting up my studio.
December 20th, I fell 15 feet off a ladder and broke my leg in three places. So I'm a little
behind right now on building the studio out, but yes, I am getting to it, and it's on my list for
Are you telling me Brickalag isn't going to help you speed up?
Love you, dude. Honestly, uh, I don't know, man. It was, you know...
It's not going to do this?
All right, I talked right over there.
You okay now that you've finished or...
Yeah, I'm going to step in, guys. I appreciate you, guys. Love you all,
and I'm looking forward to everything that's coming from this channel.
So, sooner than you think.
Arp, push me to get some better recording equipment. So, sooner than you think.
And that's the Joe Wallace Timelord.
There is a derivative that is now the DID picture of Chia Music, which is where the
Chia Music space aliens were minted from.
So, yeah, it is a synchronistic event, but I'd like to welcome everyone to the stage.
Fidgetal, who's basically a legend in the spaces community.
Forget about blockchain, but he set up the roundtable with Mario Nafal
So, cheers for coming up, Fidgetal. How's it going today?
Sure. Thanks for calling me on The Legend. I don't deserve that.
Although, I will tell you, this is my first bowl as a, I guess, quote, unquote, KOL.
And it is, I'll tell you this much, it is bizarre that the under, the under,
current, the under, like, behind the scenes of what really goes on in all these spaces, like,
it'll blow your mind. Good and bad. Just really interesting.
But I didn't come up to, I actually just became an ambassador for two different chains,
for Polygon and a new L1. So, just been building a shit ton of stuff.
Figured I was speaking with one of my favorite Chia people, Lucas, earlier today.
And I saw the space, and I'm just going to try and see what's going on in the Chia universe.
And also, I heard you mentioning IP license stuff. That is my area of expertise.
So, what's going on with Chia friends license and Chia ecosystem in general?
Yeah, the long and short of it is Chia company who own the Chia friends, they put a sort of
restrictive license out that minted with the NFT. They've updated it, but not on chain.
And someone's using the Chia friends to basically create very, very, very good derivative art
that's animated. But the owner of one of the pieces of the original ones wants it taken down
because they didn't give licenses. So, I don't know what you think of that.
What do you mean? What was the license? How was the license provided? And what does the license
provide for? Well, the license, I've actually got it here on my screen. I guess it's only a couple
of sentences. I've done the IP licenses for like a kid called Beast and
an eight project that's really good and Shell's orb and stuff. So,
most of them are not very good. So, I'd love to hear it. Go ahead.
It says here that this license granted in section to this agreement applies only to the extent that
you continue to own the applicable Chia friends NFT. That's not all there is, but it basically
says the owner of the NFT, the Chia friend has the rights to commercialize it, but not to sub-license
it. And this derivative collection was not done with anyone's authority. It was just
done sort of anonymously. So, someone's complained. But the person who founded didn't have
one of the assets? It's unknown. They're anonymous. So, presumably they have none of the assets and
they just did a collection based on the originals and just basically dropped it and sold it.
Arguably, if that person owned one, he could probably claim that the entire collection was
a derivative collection made off of the one that he owns and he has the right.
If he owns that one, it seems from the grant to do commercial rights,
commercial use. It wouldn't be a sub-licensing situation.
Yeah, it's something that perhaps Gene should talk about. I guess it's probably him.
Would that apply to the whole collection? Because they made lots of kind of copies of the original
pieces in the collection. Would it only apply to the one that he owned though or the whole
collection? Well, that's an interesting point, right? So, my guess, well, no, it's not my guess.
So, most of the NFT grants or IP grants in the space are that people think that they own the
IP. They co-own the IP, right? So, they're granted a license. They're not transferred
full ownership. So, the question is, do the individual holders have a right to enforce?
That would be one thing, potentially. And does the collection have the right to enforce? That's
a whole other thing. The argument would come down to, let's assume he is a holder, right?
So, I'm going to guess that each one is a derivative of one of the originals that looks
like? Is that correct? Is it like one for one? He's done a full collection of a thousand. He's
taken the images of a thousand different NFTs. He can't possibly own an added animation to them,
whereas there were still frames before. I'd encourage you before kind of speaking on it
to actually understand what is under discussion because there are some outside elements that
add to this case in point, different file types, derivative nature of it.
It is adding, so it is therefore changing. There's definitely an interesting argument,
but I think one of the most interesting things is going to be Chia's response
because Chia's response does send shockwaves to where this goes from. Again, because you can't
be the most decentralized censorship resistant blockchain in the world if you start censoring,
right? I would say this, by the way, and you can take some of the most successful
mainstream projects, Pudgy and especially Sappy Seals. I don't think it's beneficial to
stop derivatives in my opinion, especially in a newer NFT ecosystem. Derivatives
propagate almost like mimetically, it almost propagates mimetically the initial collection,
so I wouldn't try to stop, in my opinion, unless there's some deviousness behind the scenes kind
of thing. You're saying this was a formal Chia NFT collection by the foundation or by the founders?
I don't know what that is. Yeah, I was good, but it's Chia.
Some interesting data. Yeah, Chia Networking. It's like their flagship NFT
project, right? It's like what they introduced NFT1 standard out as.
Also, the data between the two is there has been 40,000 XCH total volume on the Chia Friends,
and the derivative has 240 XCH volume. Either way, that's driving NFT volume and
volume through the transaction volume through the ecosystem, right?
God damn, I wanted to hate visible. You wanted to hate me?
Yeah, I just thought I'd disagree with you to start talking about all this,
but I actually agree with you more than I don't. You actually make a lot of sense.
The fact is, not only should you be encouraging derivatives because they refuse to put any money
into marketing, they should be supporting a fucking meme coin for the chain. If they're
not going to put money directly into supporting marketing or anything like that, then the more
derivatives you have, the more meme coins you can get, the more attention you'll be able to drive.
One successful meme coin on Chia would work wonders for the lack of marketing that the
founders have left you guys hanging with, to be honest with you. To be honest with you, out of
any chain, you guys would probably benefit the most of it because your tech is fucking great.
Just nobody knows who the fuck you are, and those who do laugh whenever I bring up Chia,
and we have the same conversation. We both laugh, I laugh, and I go, I know, I know.
We both agreed, great tech. They won't be laughing soon.
I just had this conversation yesterday. We've got some good retail stuff coming.
I just had this conversation yesterday with the ex CMO of Arbitral. I'm talking not like
your average little noob on Twitter. I'm talking about people who drive success of ecosystems and
chains, ex-Amazon CMO. When you speak about Chia to them, what's the sort of conversation
behind the scenes you have? This is the conversation. I forget how it came up. We were
talking about various chains, and I said something like, oh yeah, that would have been
great on Chia. He laughed, and the laugh that always is is, holy shit, I haven't heard that
name in a while. Then we both go, I know, I know. Incredible tech. It's a shame that
the founder refuses to do any marketing. Like literally, I've probably had that exact
conversation like 40 or 50 times. I think I've heard you say that conversation 40 times in the
last six months. The fact that they're going after a multi-trillion-dollar carbon market
doesn't mean shit. That never comes up like, oh, they got a higher carbon market?
Never. Never, because there's no marketing. That's the whole point, right? The whole point
of why I say this is because you have great tech, you have great initiatives, and you have great
leaders. You just, for some reason, refuse to let other people know.
When marketing, classic tale of blockchain's galore.
From my perspective, and again, this is highly speculative, but I try to think of all aspects
of things, and I understand where Chia is as like, again, they're going after the enterprise-level
stuff as well as pre-IPO right now. Do you feel like that stipulations, is they're trying to
tiptoe within a very fine line of, again, not pumping money into a market and then providing
possible incentivization of buying their coins? What do you think on that?
No. The risk of legalities has pretty much made clear in the Ripple case and kind of across the
board is that the issuance is the issue, right? It's the initial issuance of your token
and how you go about doing that that determines whether you're at risk or not. Beyond that,
they haven't found the secondary market to be a violation of securities laws.
So like, how did Chia launch?
They do a traditional presale, ICO?
Okay, so how did the token get out?
They did rounds where they didn't sell any tokens.
They didn't sell any tokens?
What did the investors get?
Not sure. That's a good question.
From what I understand, and also, I'm certainly not an expert on this either, but yeah, they
didn't sell coins. There was a pre-farm of 21 million tokens that went into their wallet,
the pre-farm wallet, which they've now actually sold partial of, as of I think late last year,
mid last year, onto the market. But regardless, no, they just raised money traditionally.
Through normal funding, funding raises, capital raises.
But they did sell, at some point, at any point from launch till now,
they have sold tokens on the open market.
From what I understand, yes, that was late last year.
No, not open market. They haven't dumped tokens or they haven't, like, I think
that's the caveat is they haven't done anything on the open market yet.
Like they have not, Chia themselves, they've given it, I think they've made OTC'd it.
Or done some kind of deal.
The market maker, they loaned a lot of it to the market maker, and they also, as part of that,
asked the market maker to sell a certain percentage, if I remember, from that interview that
he did with Sloan's Timelord.
To sum up, if the SEC wants to go after them, they'll find a way, right? I don't think that
should stop from marketing. And the marketing that should be happening is grants and such
supporting builders within the ecosystem that inherently causes marketing, not just like
going out and shilling the token. That's what I meant more with regards to marketing and know that
I don't see why anybody would think that that's some sort of violation or puts them at any
Yeah, for sure. I mean, my opinion is, I think the lack of grants is a big,
the big problem in the ecosystem. I've said that for a fair amount of time to Gene as well,
going back to Keybase, but yeah, sorry, who I cut off there.
I was just going to say, from what I understand, if I remember, some of the conversation around
that. They also, well, around grants and things like that, first of all, they didn't touch the
pre-farm until recently when they did the market maker thing. And that was also when they were
going through some financial issues themselves. They had a layoff round, things like that. So
that was kind of the deep bear market. But yeah, I don't think that they, sorry, I forgot where I
was going with this. Sorry, Edward, you can continue.
Okay, you were going to talk about the grants, I think. Were they going to give grants out?
Yeah, the grants, that was one thing. Oh, I think that's what it was. So the sufficient
decentralization, that's what it was. They felt like they had gotten to a point of sufficient
decentralization of the token where they could safely loan it out, the pre-farm amount, and sell
it without as much heat from the Fed, so to speak. That was my understanding. That's a very
layman's explanation of it, of course. But they felt like they had gotten to a point where it was
sufficiently decentralized, kind of like S argument. So then they shouldn't have a...
So then that would undermine your argument of why they're not using funds for marketing.
If they think that they're sufficiently decentralized, then selling tokens is the
danger, not using tokens to provide marketing support to builders and others in the ecosystem.
But I don't know. I didn't make that argument. I was just explaining the other part, I think.
No, I'm just... Whoever... Somebody mentioned that maybe the marketing wasn't happening because
it could put them in that logic. Yeah, that was quite speculation.
Well, I would say if they think they were sufficiently decentralized to be selling
what could be potentially considered securities on the open market, then they are certainly in
a position to be supporting the ecosystem with tokens to build and market.
I am. Well, I'm not... Personally, we've seen the price of Chia, and it's actually... It's
fluctuated 30 to 35, somewhat close to 40. But now back down, I haven't looked at today or
recently, but it seems like it's in the low 30s again. I assume that is a... We're seeing some of
the sell... We're seeing the effects of some of that selling, is my guess, because we would assume
with the halving coming up in a month or two, we all assumed, I think, that it would start rising
a little bit more than it has, and it seems to be kind of...
12 months. It seems to me... And this is all speculation again, but it seems to me that
it's just hanging out at 30 or so, even with upward pressure with other markets and Bitcoin
and everything else getting better. It just seems like there should be more, hopefully.
Why would there be more? Why would I buy Chia when other ecosystems are pouring money into
marketing, building stuff, meme coins like crazy, right? That's the whole point of the marketing,
right? You guys have the quality of tech that will make people stick in an ecosystem,
right? You get them a little interested, and there's a lot to uncover if there...
that a lot of people will stick in the ecosystem. We have to give them a reason to buy their first
Chia in the first place, and that is by having projects that they are willing to learn how to
migrate or buy and all that stuff to participate in that ecosystem. And there's no reason why
builders would come to an ecosystem that's not providing them support when all other chains are,
and it works. Why would I build on Chia when I can get 100 grand from another chain,
250 grand from another chain? It just doesn't make any sense.
Well, other than from a custody and security standpoint, yes, I think you're totally right
when we're talking about retail markets and things like that, but there are obviously reasons to build
on such tech, as you said. It's great tech, so it draws people in the future, and obviously,
it's a speculation of that growth of the sector coming forward. But yes, I do agree with you,
but I also do have to say the caveat of our reason to build. I'd agree, but I'd also say,
please tell me what I can't build on another chain. Fundamentally, can't. That I could only
build with Chia's technology and tell me how in a project that becomes so desirable
that I would turn down support from a chain and also build in an ecosystem that already has
really big, broad hyper communities that are interested in those products.
Why would the World Bank touch Chia over every other blockchain out there?
Security, decentralization, pretty much all the same things that we're all here for. It has the
tech, it has the vaulting, and it has the ability to change that publicly, but also privately with
data layer. It has the technology for big players to play, and there is big players. Chia's already
retired over $100 million or more, over a billion dollars worth of carbon credits,
and it's only been active for less than six months on a production level. It's coming.
You got to understand the way that Chia's even structured, a lot of the largest deals don't
happen in any place that can affect price. You're not seeing the retail market really flow,
you're seeing what you're seeing is the enterprise market flow where you're getting the largest deals
of Chia happening OTC behind the scenes. When Chia went to go and sell their coins, they didn't
put them to the market. They put them in an offer file and they sent them to somebody.
It's one of those things where even just us transacting as a community via offer files
peer to peer doesn't affect the price. If all of us as a community are going on to Kucoin
and going on to all these other markets, like centralized markets where you can buy it,
we raise the price because we're buying it there and we're trading it there.
That's the other thing. A lot of the volume and a lot of the stuff is kept in house.
It's going to be a lot harder of a retail drive, but there is reasons for large players to play on
Chia. There's definitely examples of that. There's prime examples of that. The World Bank could have
built on Ethereum. They could have built on Polygon. From my understanding, they looked at
all of these blockchains, but they chose Chia. I don't know if that means anything, but when
you're talking about a multi-trillion dollar market, you got to take that stuff into consideration.
Now, will we get to play in that market as individuals? I doubt it, but maybe once the
infrastructure gets to a place, we'll have a certain variation of it. Or at least we'll have
easier access to it. I agree with you. Chia needs to do a little bit more retail,
but at the same time, that's never been there. They've never once said that that was their goal.
They're not out here to shill, number go up, bullshit. They never have been.
They're here to talk about hard money, real technology with real use case,
and it's not about that quick flip buck. If it doesn't appeal to people that way,
then fine. Go make your money other places, but when you get wrecked from clicking a link,
you're going to learn, oh shit, well, maybe I want to keep my... Maybe when you get wrecked from
Ledger, fucking getting hacked and losing all your keys and shit, then you'll learn, oh shit,
maybe I want to go to a place like Bitcoin or Chia to vault my coins with a little bit more
security. I don't know. I think it's just a matter of time before people catch on.
We'll start to see things being built on Chia that are a little bit more
substance based. I feel like that's one of the problems with Chia also is you're not getting a
lot of the substance. It's a lot of just NFTs and meme coins right now. There's not really a layer
to catalyst for it, to drive it. Hopefully soon in the near future. The problem with
Chia is the way that it's all... You want to come back on what food said. He's
saying something extra. I don't know if you want to come back. I want food said.
Nothing personal. You didn't have to regurgitate. No insult. What I already knew,
it's just in my opinion, the incorrect approach. I believe it's the incorrect approach.
I think that they're doing themselves a disservice unnecessarily and almost pragmatically.
I feel like they've doubled and quadrupled and tripled down. As you said,
they've never said, blah, blah, blah, and token price go up. I never said token price go up.
I just said supporting an ecosystem of builders of products so that people can actually
appreciate the technology because the large scale solutions are not going to drive adoption of the
chain. Just when Polygon says, oh, we have Nike now. That doesn't actually change anything.
It's about what you can actually do within the ecosystem. I have no idea what you can do within
the Chia ecosystem on a day-to-day basis. What's your best gaming products that you have? What's
the best DeFi products that occur? What are the biggest DEXs or exchanges on the platform?
How many marketplaces are there?
Well, you don't really need the marketplace. The best gaming, I would be biased because I'm part
of the team that's building one. One thing that drove me here, again, is the non-object-oriented
programming language. Like I said, clicking on a link, your shit gets drained. My shit got drained.
That's what drove me over here. That's my main thing that differentiates from a lot of the other
chains that you can build on. But I do agree with you that, yeah, they should be supporting
the retail market. But from their company's aspect, and we've had this conversation,
so I'm not going to reiterate it too much, that they are focused on being an enterprise-level
system. They're not necessarily focused on the retail. They're just providing it to the retail
market to use. But I'll go to the other time. There's a difference between focusing on one
thing or shunning the other. You can have your C-suite focus beyond the enterprise,
and that's a great approach. But that's no excuse, no reason to not throw a chunk or have some sort
of incubation program to also do the retail side at the same time. It's just nonsensical.
Yeah, I think you're right. I just don't know if there's the budget necessarily there yet,
right? They kind of came in late to the game. Shit was kind of weak with the provision of
the XCH token itself. So that kind of caused the crash and over speculation of what the price was
going to be worth when it originally came out. But yeah, there's a lot up in the air. There's
obviously a lot of opinions, not involved directly with the company and us just coming kind of an
outside perspective of it. Yeah, there is the pre-farm now. Let's be honest. Yeah, go ahead,
Josh. I was just going to say, just from an outsider looking at it, I have no
experience in marketing itself even or what's good or bad or all of that stuff. But just looking at
it, I see almost like an Apple versus Microsoft approach, right? Like Apple, you see commercials,
they're very retail focused. But you don't see a lot in the enterprise. I'm an enterprise developer.
I don't have a lot of Apple sales people coming to the enterprise, right? Microsoft dominates
enterprise, but you don't see a lot of Microsoft ads on TV. And so I think that's the difference.
Their whole business model is based around the Red Hat model of supporting enterprises.
And I think that's probably where that different mindset comes from. Of course, we can use more
marketing everywhere. But if you have limited set of resources, I think they're supporting their
business model from what I understand. Yeah, we have no, we've gotten hung out to dry as the
community in terms of retail value, like in terms of driving adoption, FOMO, general crypto
shit, like it's terrible. And it's fucking like now the infrastructure is not quite where it needs
to be. I think once we have a little bit better incentive for like, providing LP and building that
like total value locked and having some bigger bags come and play without getting dunked on by
all the guys that have been here first, because slippage really does make a difference. And having
big markets with lots of shiny fucking numbers does matter. So I feel like we're not quite there yet.
We're almost there, but we're not quite there. Like, you know, it would be nice to have a little
bit more DeFi based infrastructure, especially DeFi based infrastructure. That's the main thing
that we're definitely I've been crying about this shit for at least a couple months now. Like,
you know, I there's a lot of yeah, like there's a lot of stuff missing. And there's like that retail
market would like Chia would really benefit from the retail market because it's got a lot to offer.
But you know, slowly, but surely we're kind of getting there. It's Chia fucking the problem with
Chia of all the time is it has no fucking infrastructure. So there's nothing to market
if you even really think about it. Like, what the hell are we marketing? There's nothing to market.
I didn't but I specifically said marketing is in grants and supporting builders to build things to
do in the Chia ecosystem that then the projects market themselves and by virtue of I'm going
through this right now. So I'm an ambassador for a brand new L1. And I'm not I'm not marketing the
chain or the token. I'm building products in the ecosystem. And by virtue of promoting my projects,
right, I'm promoting the chain, you have to know where you're going. And then also by virtue of
having to migrate or buy or swap, it's onboarding people to the ecosystem. And then I'm going to
have further projects and products for them and offerings for them to explore deeper into the
ecosystem as I build it. Right. But if there's nothing to do, there's nothing to promote you
guys. I mean, like, how often do you guys talk about the chain itself and stuff to do in it?
Not very often. Do I hear that? This is the first time probably.
Yeah, it's it's very NFT oriented. There's not I mean, the problem is there's no infrastructure
and everything has to be built from the ground up to so you're not looking at any copy paste code.
It's all novel puzzles. And it's all very high level stuff. And there's no like,
that's the other problem, too, is we need Chia to build what I don't know if it's like up a layer
or down a layer, but they need to have it like they need to have better tools for developers at like
the like web to base level. Like I think Drack can really speak to this. Josh can probably speak
to this like they need that like obfuscation level for you guys to better make things pretty
and quick. You know what I mean? Like I feel like that's something that's missing. Like whenever
you need to do something like really novel or like fun and Chia, you have to go like right to
the very tippy top of the fucking chain to like figure out how to get a piece of code written.
So I mean, once we have a suite, like that's the it's so boring. Chia is so boring. And like I've
been over on Paul's chain for like four or five months now. And that fucking thing is so fast.
And it just when Chia starts moving like that, everybody here is going to be like what in the
fuck is going on? It's going to hit you guys like a sack of bricks. Just how loud and obnoxious it is.
Bring up a really good point, right? That the point of like Chialisp, right? It's one of their
biggest strengths, but also one of the biggest weaknesses. The barrier to entry on that is also
the strength that keeps people away from making malicious contracts and puzzles to be able to
figure something out to be able to screw somebody over. But also that prevents true builders from
building it because it's such a different language base. And it's not only a different language base
of just Lisp, but then you have their own version of Chialisp, which I know right now they're trying
to more simplify and try to solve that issue for us. But yeah, I think that's a double edged sword,
right? It's keeping true builders away, but it's also keeping us safe and secure at the same time.
But what are we keeping safe and secure from at the same time, right?
Well, and it's not user friendly.
I was about to say, this is kind of ironic or funny or whatever, hot off the presses I just
posted at the top. I've got a .NET native implementation of CLVM now. So
enterprise developers will be happier. We literally are talking about this right now.
Don Catman has made a .NET implementation. So, you know, we're getting there. We're still in
primitive land. We're still in built, you know, if you think of Legos, we're still in the two by
two blocks and the four by eight blocks. And like, we don't have the cool like, lightsaber pieces yet
and the fun like flags and the different heads for people and hats, you know, we're not there yet.
We'll get there. But yeah, anyway, that's just that's my developer jumping in excited about
this. I'm gonna go play with it now. Yeah, she is a 2028 coin. I wouldn't even look at it the cycle.
If there if there is going to be there probably won't be another bull run because ETFs are going
to destroy fucking crypto. So I mean, she is going to miss the bull, but we'll have to have a pump
eventually. Just going to be like, not what you think. I think they got to release some of that
pre farm and 90% of GIS problems too is the fact that the fucking math sucks. Go and try to buy
10,000 coins on fucking any marketplace. I don't give a shit which one you're gonna get eaten by
bots, you're gonna get destroyed by bots from what I know, trading, the minimal experience that I have,
I know that those things move out of the way and then they come right back real quick.
Because it's always the exchange is trading. Like I swear to God, Kucoin is just exchange
bots just trading against themselves all day. That's all it is. Nobody's actually going in there
and buying. What was the volume like dude, like HOA coin on fucking pulse has more daily vol
weekly volume and fucking all of Chia does. They should like if I bet you if they release like a
million coins or like two million coins and they just started flooding the markets, it would fucking
open up everybody's wallets. The spice must flow. Everybody's holding in this fucking I don't know,
like and everybody's like offer files that kill destroy fucking price action.
Because there's no price action when you're doing peer-to-peer transactions.
Yeah just taking it back to licensing I guess.
Is there a sort of perfect license or a template for a license digital that you
have in your mind or is it every situation is different depending on the art itself?
So everyone is different based on the intent of the project. So depending on what how you
want your community to use the assets. Ideally and like for example it's a kid called beast
which I'm really proud of the agreement. It prepares for an incubator style like ecosystem
where essentially I believe that most NFT projects will eventually become DAOs and I think that's
actually a good thing and a step in that direction is so the IP agreement allows for
submission of project ideas to the founders and if granted you can get either an expanded
copyright use of trademark potentially a grant of native token or actual investment and so
that's because a kid called beast has always had the intention of becoming kind of a creator studio
and supporting their their community members to make derivatives specifically and to
build businesses off of their IP and create alternative revenue streams to support an
ecosystem. So it really depends what you want your project to do rather than in my opinion
rather than trying to limit what people do with it because what are you going to do fucking sue
everybody and like how are you going to find out about it's on chain like anonymity. So I look at
them as an opportunity to be actually an opportunity to be not restrictive but better reflect the fact
that under these circumstances we're not really talking about art we're talking about identity
and community and the visual representation and so I encourage founders to be more intentional and
more responsible with their grant of IP most just copy and paste in bullshit like they have one like
the big one that went for a while pudgy as it it's like if you make over 500 you start a business
and you're going to spend and you earn over 500 grand please come tell us so we can support you
really it's because anything over 500 000 they're entitled to by the by the contract
right like how the fuck are you going to find out if someone's actually earning half a million
dollars how you're going to collect in the force just it's clearly written by a fucking big firm
that has no idea about web 3 and so that's long answer sorry. All good appreciate your
take uh yeah Deidre and your hand is up please go ahead my friend.
I'm starting to think I hate licenses and this this this weird
rush to put these weird rails on on such a new thing it just seems weird it just seems dumb
if you don't have the provenance you don't have the provenance if you can actively prove somebody
stole your shit then for the most part the market takes that and runs but I just don't
I don't know man I don't know it would be douchey as fuck if the Gia network came out and said that
this fucking collection was fucking bad because it violated some fucking paper agreement that
exists outside the blockchain about something that exists on the blockchain it's like are we
what are we doing it just makes it well quite quite quite quite the opposite actually I wasn't
sorry talking but I appreciate it I was going to say it's quite the opposite actually you only get
rights if they're written down and granted to you otherwise with art there's a first sale
doctrine which says when you buy art without a specific grant it depends on what we're selling
it depends on what we're selling these are fucking jpegs people
they're fucking j and i'm saying that as a guy that sells jpegs
that it was the first nft launched by the chia network but not the chia blockchain
so they're an artist too so that you can't it's going to be very interesting how they come in
and make this distinction I mean this is your this is your big court case for their fucking
supreme court of fucking gia network like what the fuck are we talking about it's so
weird that somebody found inspiration in what the chia network did and made a gigantuant amount
of money on regardless of what they did with the money that's irrelevant doesn't matter if they
technically didn't make a dime it generated an immense amount of value who fucking cares
is the guy saying that he is the chia network and are people buying it under the assumption that
it is the chia network because i would assume 95 of people aren't we're not buying fucking shares
and if people thought at any point that they were buying shares in the chia network
they're dumb i love y'all i've seen one of my favorite artists of all time has thrown me the
100 symbol i'm gonna take that as a win i don't what the fuck are we talking about and Edward i
know you're a great fucking space source and you brought up a great conversation it led into
multiple spinoffs and i've loved the conversation so i don't mean that towards you but like
let the fucking guy win he had a dope ass derivative i like it i want to buy one now
who fucking cares sorry i bought a couple i love that shit too personally and chia does not have
a very good track record of going after people for the shit either anybody remember uh chia
versus the chia plot yeah that got squashed pretty fucking quick so sorry i did to you when i fucking
i slapped fidget on the digitally on the wrist for but if they come out against this i'm going
to make a derivative of this because fuck you why not and i love chia but fuck you why not
you've now opened the floodgates that's what i'm saying this is the Supreme Court case that is
going to create a divide you're gonna have people that love it and you're gonna have people that
hate it you have now created a rift where it was supposed to be a decentralized network
do what you want there's a thousand crypto punk derivatives on chia
each one of them is fucking cool or where do you draw the line
not only that chia is not your typical marketplace it is a billboard for the public peer to peer you
can't stop a fucking thing and if you do decide to pick and choose what you display inside the gooey
you are fucking yourself sorry that's a lot of bad language maybe i'm just hyped up on tangang
energy but like what is the conversation now i'm sure like i i know i fuck i've been listening to
fidget for like two and a half fucking years but like and i know your irl world and your blend and
and you've listened to all times the crip all kinds of different cryptos but i would be bored
as shit if you're happy your mentality made it into these things on like shares and
licensing agreements and copyright and god damn that don't sound cyberpunk at all that sounds
boring as shit and to be fair cni has not said that they're against this project per se
it uh it's it's at the mint garden level that it's quote unquote censored so cni are not looking
for a legal case on it they may even like it and just be quietly allowing it i'm not sure it's not
clear but this is the whole thing ed is i love i love a phil and i don't want a reason to hate
mint garden all right so i feel terrible whatever has to have that yeah this is stupid like it's dumb
and as a marketplace you have to kind of follow those rules though right just like as if you're
social media you have to follow by certain rules so whether the original owner is bitching against
it or not that it's up to them to set the standard of following those rules so maybe there can be like
some sort of thing saying hey i don't feel this violates can we have a uh some sort of mediation
meeting and then it can be worked out so here's an interesting question art at what level
because now and it's just hit me right she has offer files it's peer to peer all marketplaces
are is the community town board right it's the bulletin board showing what each person is selling
all mint garden and corresponding marketplaces are is that board it is a window in the shop
if somebody makes mint garden take that down they are now affecting that person's
freedom of speech now again this is real us type of shit right
but if they force him to take that window at the same time it doesn't really matter though right
yeah it doesn't really matter though did he take it off the market or did he is the offer
file gone you know what i mean is it removed from public view because if it's not it's still peer
to peer so it can be traded at will since it definitely an interesting conversation
yeah so going back to digital you said you've got a few different things your ambassador for
uh do you want to plug them or explain more details or
yeah well first of all um to deejans point um understand that
nfts are in the in the current sense you're not buying nfts you're buying whatever they're
pointing to the nft is just a dumb a dumb receipt it immutably immutably unchained like
it's people are buying and selling assets so to to say that basically throw out the law
uh the the law applies to the issuance uh i don't i don't understand that statement i understand
your your your your cypherpunk stuff that's great but in this area of the cypherpunk stuff
we have used the technology to attach it to visual pieces of art creative pieces so that's
the medium you're talking about tokens and stuff that's a whole different story and i would more
i would more likely agree to you we're just talking about the the law with relationship
to the creations that happen to be pointed to or connecting to uh via the technology
so i disagree with that statement dramatically uh i'm i'm creating a couple things with the
rails network and uh and polygon um and uh probably v chain the third product uh first one is really
it's a gamified social file too so it's a platform that allows you to create competitions based on
social phi data so we built on top of friend tech first so it's just a fun a fun way to
compete and win money and stuff uh we'll be giving away a shit ton of money but for me
because this is a technical room uh the main point is really to be uh uh steroids driving volume uh
to the underlying platforms uh so that i can essentially i'll be i'll be building on top of
friend tech first we already did that it's done i'm building on top of twitter right now with
polygon then i'll be building on top of several other social phi products i want to be the largest
social phi data aggregator so that i can i'm going to be building an l2 uh either with polygon or
arbitrum where we can marry with zk technology and have hopefully the beginning of a chain
that has reputational data ingrained into the the core of its reputational data married with zk
technology so uh whatever level of anonymity you choose to have but with the trust uh uh of
reputation attached to it so we can start actually um operating properly in this space um
does that make sense by the way i'm not very good at pitching shit yeah
well that's a good explanation what you're working on thanks and then i built a
uh to deejans uh probably uh chagrin i built a protocol well first of all i i made a new
six five five one standard are you familiar with six five five ones
what is what it's a it's an eit it's an erc standard that turns an nft into a wallet so
it can hold other nfts within it um so i created a new standard there and then
i built a a solution for ip based on a protocol i built that allows you to submit your art to my
platform your nfts to your my platform you go through an ip licensing on-chain ip licensing
process uh that commits the ip to the chain and then spit to our platform and then spins up a
new nft with those exact ip terms actually embedded on-chain as a string of of soulbound
smart contracts so each term in the agreement that you click through is actually its own smart
contract that are strung together and then that smart contract is soul bound to the underlying
nft the original nft but it's a derivative and it has escrow functionality that drives any money
that's earned from licensing to the the wallet that holds the underlying nft at any given time
so they're free your your original nft becomes freely transferable but it it's ip derivative
i guess or it's ip child which governs what you're on-chain right a smarter contract what the rights
are to the use of that asset for the given amount of time and then i use the six five five ones
as kind of catalogs so you can collect other people's new ip nfts put them into catalogs and
then put them on a bonding curve for speculation and the and the new nfts have an escrow functionality
that that funnels money so it's a new revenue stream for monetizing ip so yeah that's about it
sorry if that sounded stupid no all good it sounds like you're you're at the curve of technology
uh for sure in fact i wanted i invited you on a space a couple of weeks ago with michael taylor
i don't know if you've heard of michael taylor but if there was a killer app or thing on chia to
keep your eye out i'd say that the data layer on chia might be that thing where early developers
could almost clean up perhaps or set a lot of precedent for what we think of as internet 2.0
it seems to be an updated version of torrents that is going to drive web browsing so uh i'd like to
invite you to a michael taylor space in the future it's wednesday evening no wednesday morning i beg
you pardon that 8 a.m eastern standard time every week so i'd love to invite you to that to speak to
michael one day if uh you're available if it's a if it's a if you're going to get me for one of
the spaces let me know when that one is because it's 5 a.m pst where i am right now um but i'm
happy to join i'm i'm in l.a right now i'm i'm between l.a and new york so uh it'd be easier
when i'm in new york but if you give me a heads up i'd love to join and i've heard the one thing
i have heard from people when i've been talking about the chia that they do harp on is the data
is the data layer so there you go the keyword is data layer uh is it is it possible to ask you
who had said that to you outside of the chia ecosystem has it been like the head of arbitrum
or people like that yeah the head of the cmo of arbitrum knew about the data layer
because that's he's an infrastructure he's an infrastructure influencer
and he's a he's a nerd like that uh but most of the rest has been from chia people
well that's good though that's really good i believe that there was a little competition
between the una left about six months ago not quite as to who would bring the most value to
chia's ecosystem in i think it was a six-month period uh if you recall uh we must be getting
close to the deadline so i don't know if you've got any thoughts on that how will we decide the
winner i mean my vote's with you i think you've done more than a left uh at least for spaces i
posted even though he's done a lot too but uh is there a way we could do a sort of a conclusion
of that little narrative at some point let's do a space where we get where you guys vote
fantastic and we can't do that i'm sure i believe so let's get that set up yeah fantastic
yeah if anyone would like to come up and chat in the audience open forum as always uh bradley uh
what's your take on everything uh you you always seem to know what's going on
it's i think it's an exciting time i mean i'm super pumped i mean i'm here for for it all you
know the good the bad everything in between it's all a learning curve um i think that mass
adaptation in many different ways um just like any business model uh shows that we're gonna
have competition within the market and competition drives innovation um and to circle kind of back
into the the whole license thing um you know to a point it protects the company um but yes it also
slows innovation uh so sometimes that's the point of it right it gives you yeah that 15-year market
or a 20-year market or whatever it may be on the ip um which allows you to capitalize properly on
it and maybe your investment point was so high that it's going to take that 15-year turnaround
in order to pay off your investments to make a profit so i mean it's it's a really dangerous
thing but i mean in in these days and age you know the technology is getting easier which is
making it cheaper faster and more efficient um i'm all for competition i i think that we should
deliver the best product right so i'm all about cc zero licensing pushing out technology to
to the masses or even um having you know some sort of of maybe even uh retail uh cc zero so
again if you're doing it for your own own sake um it's free source it's free and open source
um if you're trying to go out and make it uh an industrial product maybe you have to pay
a slight percentage to the to the owner um as a find you know as a finder fee in a sense um but
i feel the technology should be out there and i think the that art is something that is really
hard to capitalize same thing you know with having chord progressions within music um you
you can't say that you know it's original nothing's original um because it basically
falls down to the same mathematical conclusions but that's my take on it
yeah especially if it's led zeppelin they keep winning they well ultimately if you control the
courts you're going to win these court cases anyway i mean to me they were plagiarists but
other people may have a different opinion but uh yeah i think derivatives should be encouraged
just at all costs i think that's the way but different people have different opinions
we've got mondo monkey in the audience uh fidgetl a brilliant artist on jia keep your eye out for
him a time traveling monkey believe it or not and i do believe literally a time traveler at this
point given some of the quote unquote coincidences but uh mondo's pretty awesome if you want to come
up mondo you're welcome up anytime as you know uh yeah josh what have you got going on at the moment
oh nothing much just a little bit of this and that i um end of last year i had a lot of uh
irl stuff going on at work uh we had to have a big push to get stuff done at the end by the end of
the year so i'm kind of coming off of that and getting back into some jia stuff um i've been
talking to don cackman a lot that's why i like that post up there uh about some of his projects
so he he builds really great libraries that uh that make it easy for apps to talk to the jia
blockchain so that's a big help uh but yeah nothing nothing specific just kind of getting
back into it and um seeing how things go i'm i'm also uh following like michael taylor data layer
stuff very uh cool stuff they're going on too and um you know i was really early on i was a big uh
fan of data layer a lot so i'm happy to see it being actively developed for so i'm happy to see
what he comes up with as well but uh but yeah nothing nothing really specific that i want to
talk about quite yet lots of little stuff going on here and there fantastic and josh created the
amazing seed snap which uh there's rumors it's coming back uh on the discord but seed snap was
one of the most innovative applications on here you could send a simple at on twitter to any tweet
and it generated an nft put it up for sale archived it and added the offer file to mint
garden in in basically one tag and uh that was amazing so i thought i'd shout that out
uh fantastic stuff there and also welcome claus to the stage
hey what's up just coming up just giving an update on our inscriptions on chia i spoke to
the team probably a day ago they just want to have a spaces probably sometime next week
and um yeah i don't know if anybody else had a chance um especially you josh you got a chance
read the current update uh they sent out i think it was probably 24 hours ago
nope i have not i do remember seeing something on my feed about that but i did not uh click on it i
need to go back and look at it i guess um actually do you if you have it handy maybe post it up here
there might be other people who want to see it too yeah um yeah i send it and i'll check out
but yeah no i haven't really even done much with the inscriptions at all um
so i probably wouldn't have much to say about that anyway i uh i like i said i have i just haven't
been into it as much um i did see i don't know if we haven't talked about this yet the
the new plotter that popped up on discord the chia discord did you guys see this that
reduces yeah yeah like 25 hey guys it's been a pleasure uh let me know when that space is uh
any other space is a good good checking with you guys sorry josh to interrupt you
i got a bounce to a business meeting um but i'll come back around have a good one thanks
and i'm looking forward to showing up cool shipping bills thank you guys cheers
cheers later man uh yeah so that yeah crazy uh new plotter it's very very high-end though
you need basically like the current or like very high-end gaming machine 40 90 30 90 24 gigs of
ram on your video card 128 gigs of ram for your machine um but otherwise it gives you supposedly
400 percent that you know 4x the space uh 4x the effective space for the the raw space that
you're using whereas you know like no ssd and the gigahorse and all those claim up to about 50 or
about 2x um so anyway this makes plot files that are about 25 gigabytes apparently but yeah i don't
i think there's still i was reading through the discord stuff and there's
because it's so high-end you you basically you you have to spend quite a bit of money on the
video cards that you need to even get to this level and that's comparable at least from what
i was reading to just spending that money on hard drives in the first place and using normal
compression um but i think there is a bit of an electricity savings depending on your cost of
electricity so yeah it's so weird i can't hardly keep up with all these new new plotters do you
sorry say that again sorry i cut you off oh no this is asking josh do you think it'll be a way
to get around the cost for that a new plotter get around the cost yeah you said you just explained
that it was it's costly oh right well so it yeah it's costly because it's using such high
high-end hardware so like i said you need like a you need a 24 gigabyte graphics card which is a
40 90 or a 30 30 90 or 30 80 maybe that's 30 90 i think it's a 24 gig version but anyway um and you
know even that even the used a used 30 90 is 800 900 bucks the the brand new the 40 90s are
1800 to 2000 if you can even find them so that's comparable to spending you know about that much
and buying almost another what half pivot of hard drive space just in that single video card now
the question is what what are your goals right like maybe you want maybe you would rather have
video cards than hard drives certainly take up less space and theoretically would use less power
overall because you're dealing with you know tins or twenties of hard drives versus a single
video card even at even going you know full bore a couple hundred watts so i don't know it's
interesting it's it's always interesting with with chia farming and plotting there's so many
different options i don't think it um i don't think it hurts anything or or or um hurt actually
the way it's built is it it uses your own farmer and plotter from what i understand so it actually
will will work well with the nakamoto coefficient and all that so it's not bad for consensus
whereas you know like no ssd is basically centralizing into a single pool and that's bad
until we get this new chip where they hopefully move that but
anyway uh i don't know and then then you know we've got the happening coming up we've got the
plot filter uh going to 256 which makes you less likely to even win in the first place
plus you're only winning half now lots of lots of stuff coming up it's going to be interesting i
hope we get a duster as well the chain yeah oh yeah and then the the p market you know the
few markets going crazy i mean it's still up and down i uh even it's not as bad recently but
you know you there's still times when you have to definitely attach fee so crazy times
but you know it's all a sign of activity right it's all a sign of
people doing stuff on the chain so that's that's always good
i was going to ask if that affects the nakamoto coefficient but it basically in a good way so this
is not another no ssd this is uh this is the solution in a sense yeah yeah in fact if for
example you had a bunch of 40 90s laying around uh which nobody would of course because you'd
definitely be making you see that's another thing you can you can sell these or you can rent these
things out nowadays uh for other ai people that are running massive ai workload so or farm you
know there's even silcoins you can farm using virtual work on these gpu so that's the other
thing is is it even worth would you rather be farming something else or or mining something
else on this big fancy gpu this brand new top of the line gpu that everybody else wants as well
but then of course the argument is well maybe that's useful to you for other things maybe you
want to use it for something else eventually or you know it probably will have pretty good
resale value for several years like the 30 80 or 39 years um so you know that's very interesting
decisions oh but but what i was going to say is nakamoto coefficient it actually is definitely
helpful for that because if if it does entice people to move so if you like i said when it
started if you do have a couple 40 90s laying around and you want to forex your chia farm
effective space um and you worry probably using no ssd perhaps because it's got one of the best
the highest compression right now and the highest payout then you would you might move to this one
which then uses your normal chia full node and is better for nakamoto coefficient so this could
actually entice people off of no ssd onto this which is using the correct or the more decentralized
approach to farming so that's a good thing overall but i do think that this chip 22 i think it is
coming up that that offers these closed farmer closed sourced farmers like no ssd and big horse
offers them a way to hook into the the farmer and harvester set up their infrastructure without
giving away their secret so to speak um i also expect nakamoto coefficient to
to increase quite a bit again after that um you know i hope that even i think even no ssd farmers
would probably rather be more in control of their farming so and re-plotting is definitely a
somewhat intensive process but um i i would expect at least we wouldn't see any more
space being dedicated towards the older no ssd farm i would think from that point forward we
would start seeing an increase in nc just because of people using the the newer more efficient
method or more you know decentralized method so anyway we'll see i don't know um like i said lots
of crazy variables in the mix for the next six months or so six to nine months very interesting
days ahead for sure this ecosystem is always there's like always five or ten really interesting
plates spinning at once a couple start every week new and the other ones don't fall they kind of
keep spinning slowly and so you never know what's going to happen oh what's your take on the chip
but is there to rectify the no ssd problem if you understand it do you think that will
help the coefficient i do and and in fact reading through the um discussion back and forth between
the no ssd team and um i believe it was gigahorse uh mad max maybe i'm not sure i forget at this
point but uh it did it actually got a bit heated you can if you read the the chip uh the pr you
actually can read the discussion back and forth um there were some some good arguments back and
forth about things how things should be implemented because of things that they needed but but both
teams obviously showed an interest in in changing and making it better i think they are incentivized
to also um do the right thing or or you know increase the centralization because for example
no ssd has to run their own infrastructure behind the scenes to centralize all of that
farming or mining just because they don't want to give up their their closed source
binary um so they have to maintain a whole back end infrastructure to support all that
that's coming out of their fee out of their profit margin they don't i wouldn't if i were
them i wouldn't want to have to maintain that i would much rather farmers just use all their
infrastructure and i just get you know mailbox money you know i just get xda shows up in my
in my account that's the dream right you don't want to have to maintain your whole infrastructure
in the cloud somewhere or pay for it or worry about it going down or geographically set it up
so that everybody across the whole world can get to it fast you don't want you don't want those
problems nobody nobody wants those problems so so yeah obviously they have incentive to move to this
better solution um uh and and i assume quickly i mean you know that's that they'll either pass
those savings on to the customers or uh or pocket the difference and and be happy so there's
different incentive there nice and that's chip 25 i think is that right chip 25 i want to say 22
why do i want to say 22 it's probably the right chip to be honest i usually have a horrible
memory so double check me on that but i wonder how many people in the world know all the different
chips up to this point off the top of their head be interesting if anyone i guess some people
probably do but i lost count well hey i actually have a bit of alpha speaking of chips um so i had
a meeting with dan and clive earlier today around chip 10 which was my uh kind of concept of
inscribing or adding memos to nfts and the uh i guess a bit of bad news we we kind of all decided
just against it um and the reason is is because of the way that the the feature that i wanted to use
was the ability everybody can add their own uh backup uris to your nfts that's kind of a cool
a cool thing that's unique about chia nfts is that you can actually back up the jpeg or the file
whatever it is store somewhere else on a different server entirely and then add that link
to that nft as a backup source right that's kind of a cool feature and chip 10 which was one of my
original early chips chips um i have the idea to add additional query string parameters on the
those uris that you can add to your nfts and those additional parameters could have
hold extra data so now you can have almost a little method of updating certain metadata
attributes on your own nft as the owner um so it was called editable editable metadata
and it was kind of a weird thing because you know normally nfts are supposed to be
non-fungible that's the whole point but in this case you could actually kind of change certain
metadata attributes by using this this one little trick right um anyway long story short we we talked
about it for several months um we went back and forth and the main issue is just in the way that
that specific feature is implemented within the nfts one standard which is that every time you add
a new uri it is add or pre-pended not appended so it's added to the beginning of the list of uris
for the nft and so that becomes the new uri that the client would use by default when it's going
to look up that image which is fine my my standard would still be okay with that the problem though
is that that list just keeps growing so if you wanted to continue adding notes or add or change
metadata values on your own nft every change you make increases the size the physical size of your
nft on the blockchain and it just keeps growing and growing and growing until you have uh basically
a space marmot which is you know the all on-chain uh image that the foods and the them did a while
originally uh but but you end up with you know a huge nft physically on-chain that costs a lot of
mojo's to actually transfer in a high p environment um so it just wasn't it wasn't
good enough to me because i i hated the idea oh by the way there's also no upper limit so there's
no checks because they never they never thought that people would add so many uris of that that
it could possibly brick the nft entirely but there is actually you could theoretically using
my little trick you could add so much data to that uri that the nft would be so big that it
couldn't physically even fit in a single block and you could it would be bricked it would never
be able to move moved so the all these things it's like okay these these are what uh what gene uh
we love when gene calls foot guns right these are these are things that you accidentally shoot
yourself in the foot you you changed this data on your nft and now you can't you can't move it
it's just useless it's basically bricked is that um are you referring to i don't know if i saw it
inside this code early today someone was talking about 10 000 into one uh 10 000 collection into
one coin oh no that's a spell but i think that you're talking about the bag stuff yeah yeah that's
completely that's epic right right but no this so we decided against we kind of all realized that
it's a cool idea but um the problem is is that there's no there's no way there's no built-in
method uh in the nft one standard to um to even warn the user that you're about to go over the
limit for example it gets more expensive every time you do it it just it wasn't it didn't feel
like a great user experience it's like a it's like a fun little trick and maybe you know people can
still use it it's permissionless you can still put whatever uri you want in your nfts um but as far
as an official supported standard that they would have to put up with and people coming back and
yelling at them because they broke their nfts uh it's just not probably not the best approach so
we talked about nft2 standard uh a bit which they still you know on the table um not really in any
official uh capacity yet there's no like official document that i know of but there are a few things
that dan was saying that he was even has kind of a wish list i think internally of what they would
like to see with nft2 and they also of course mentioned that that as much community help as
possible would would be good so if somebody wanted to for example start a new chip call it nft2 and
start trying to come up with ideas with nft2 standard then that would go through the normal
chip process as well um so you know and that's what we talked about too is that this is a cool
idea for definitely for an nft2 standard where that uh well first of all you wouldn't have to use
the trick in the first place you could actually kind of add in a bit of editable space somewhere
in the nft itself uh to handle something like this that would be more protected you know it couldn't
get it would never get bigger than a certain size things like this so anyway chipton is officially
uh denied or archived or whatever we whatever we want to call it but
no that's just some i hadn't even talked to anybody about that yet i was but i was
going to post something earlier uh on twitter but i never got around to it was that the graffiti chip
yes graffiti thank you wow yeah unfortunately it was a fun idea and i really liked it but
and like i said technically still doable but whoever when you actually implemented it you
would have to be very careful about making sure that user knows that they only have so many
updates before their before their nft so it's getting very heavy you could turn it into it
and call it the hot potato chip um that way you know whoever has it last and adds the last
description that's kind of funny you know i like that that is yeah that is kind of funny yeah
you have to keep transferring it around and you almost need like a like
that's okay so everybody has to put money in a pot somehow right and then and then whoever holds
the potato their portion of the pots slowly draining um until they transfer it to someone
else on the list so you know you fall asleep and someone transfers it to you and you've got
to pay for four hours of potato out of your pot that's kind of funny yeah and maybe like every
hour or day or whatever time frame it adds a certain amount of data to the block and then
therefore again so it's again hot potato yeah and then maybe like once the first person is out the
rest get to share the the rest of the pot or something i don't know that'd be kind of funny
or it's like uh the old like what's that over sorry i was just gonna say that he dropped big
news that the phrase nft2 was standard there the nft2 standard was mentioned there i don't think
it's ever been uh mentioned publicly i don't know if you want to say more about that josh if not
then i'll give you the my fat project um nothing official for sure yeah we obviously the
nft1 standard was named such because we assumed that there would probably be an nft2 standard so
i think that's all uh that's the only reference that he was making as you know in a in a potential
future nft2 standard he had a few wishlist items already that he would like to see and this kind
of editable metadata would be another thing on that list that would be cool to see in such such
an nft2 standard but but yeah he made it clear that they certainly internally have no plans
right now they're not working on an nft2 standard there's no work being done on that
uh from a from a cni perspective as far as i understand that would definitely be uh it would
be the the chip itself would be community driven and probably the the uh checklist and all that
as well i imagine um if if we wanted to go further with that uh but clide actually had some great
ideas himself and you know clide's working for c9 now and and he's been getting really deep into
all of that stuff so um i'm sure he would love to to help and push forward such a project
and clide got that job because of your nft i mean i've i've said the story once before but
during the second world record i sent him an nft as meant to be a gamer past the parcel
like let's see how many times we can send this josh nft round i sent it to clide he
got the job and then he was off the rest of the world record space so couldn't carry on
so he still owns that lucky nft so i thought that was pretty cool that's amazing everyone
who has been sent it has got a job with cni within 48 hours that's just a fact that's amazing
lucky nft that was yeah sorry no go ahead
you can go ahead josh if you want i think i'll cut you off oh sorry i was i must have hit you
accidentally uh i was said wasn't that a seed snap nft if i remember correctly that the lucky nft
i think so it was the one where it looks exactly like you but the eyes looked a bit funny
the eyes were yeah yeah i think that was an imagine a seat an imagined snap where we used the
that's funny i remember that that's awesome yeah i do i would love to do to do some more
seed snap stuff um i did actually look uh into some of the twitter apis again recently
and same same pricing and all of that which is just really horrible for small developers but
um i figured you know even if i use up i think like i said i think it's 10 000
requests and that's not even like tweets so each operation could take several requests but even if
we were able to pump out a couple thousand seed snaps a month that would that would at least be
fun right like we may get to like the middle of the month and just have to cut everybody off but
that'd be fun for the for the first two weeks of the month right uh so maybe i'll look into that
some more too now that i have some more time to get from my job we'll see you have like a release
date for that no no i um i need the uh so one of the other problems too is when they changed
the pricing structure they also basically deprecated the older v1 api and forced everybody
to use the newer v2 api which doesn't even actually have all the same functionality as the old api
so i it's not even a simple matter of just like paying the hundred bucks and then just flipping
the switch and turning it back on i have to actually rewrite the bits of the code that
integrated with the twitter with the twitter apis or the x api i just shouldn't say now
because they're completely different and um i what i used to be able to do in one call i may have to
do two or three calls now to do the same thing it's just there's just some really weird decisions
made in there and i like i said i've kind of almost just been ignoring it hoping and hoping
that like it just magically gets fixed like people will will enough people will ignore it
so that they finally fix it and and want people back again um but i just don't know i i don't
know what their plan is and i don't know i need to i just need to play around with some more
of their api stuff and see if they've gotten any better or added any features or anything
okay it's like getting rugged that's uh you know instead of in crypto land it's like in developer
land i just got totally my api got rugged out from under me it's like an elon man i i like his other
stuff but this i'm not a fan of this one for sure restart everything over
in the ground multiple opinions in my mind about a single man i'm i'm fine with that
uh would you take one of his brain chips that's a question oh man i don't know you know i
i would as a last resort so for example i i think the the person that got it like couldn't
didn't have hands or didn't have use of their hands or something and they can control devices
like okay like if i if i don't have any other choice then yeah sign me up let's see you know
it's better than this maybe uh i don't know but i i certainly not gonna sacrifice my fully
well-working brain as it is right now as far as i can tell anyway uh and put something else
on top of it that's let's let's let someone else go first if i had the ability for instant memory
recall fuck yeah i would take it all day that's that is like if my biggest thing in the world
forgetfulness and like my voracious like voracious appetite for knowledge like i consume so much that
like i have a memory cache overload where it has i have to clear it in order to make room for new
stuff yep i'm right there with you i i think in fact we well me specifically i've gotten
lazier with my memory has gotten lazier because i don't need it as much as our ancestors right
like you we didn't have to you have to read a book and remember everything in it you can just
go search on somewhere and look up exactly what you're questioning at the moment so i think we've
gotten worse at memory and better at um look up or search maybe uh i think i call myself an indexer
right so like i yeah yeah it's like i have an index of it and then i could just go look at
the information yeah yeah for sure efficient for sure but you know the electricity goes out and
we're like what the hell what am i doing where am i what how do i eat what do i do i can't call
anybody so like if you could have a recall of like github libraries in your head yeah that's
interesting well what i i think more just philosophically so you know the whole thing about
going digital um or somehow moving our conscious over to a digital platform i i always go back to
like the clone problem where you know if you were able to create an exact duplicate of yourself with
a magic button uh down the atom and and everything so that they have the exact memories of you and
everything that's still a different entity a different being a different person as soon as
they've been created and then it's not really you right so isn't that the ship of the sea it's
right the what sorry ship a thesius oh yeah yeah yeah exactly yes the the the concept that
you know are are you are you the the shell or the the being or the soul or what you know
what exactly is it so i don't think anybody would accept for example laying on a table and we plug
in some probes and you wake up and you're in the machine and you can see your body laying on the
table and we just you know we dispose of that because we don't need that anymore i don't think
you're gonna sell anybody on that concept just because of that you know it's a very it's a
conundrum right is that really me is it is it a copy do am i sacrificing myself for some other
being that now gets gets to live as me you know there's too many questions what you need is a
device that slowly over the course of several years maybe even or months replaces each neuron
in your head one at a time or you know a few hundred or a thousand at a time slowly with
digital neurons and so that you don't there's no cut off from this to that and you know you
wouldn't even consciously know it or understand it happening necessarily it would just slowly over
time you would become silicon instead of you know flesh your neurons themselves that's the only
thing i i i see working or being able to sell somebody on whether it's philosophically whether
that's that would work or not or you're the same person i don't know but i think you could sell
people on that concept of okay it's going to take a year for you to metamorphosize into this
digital being and you won't know the difference no one else around you know the difference whatever
but at the end you're you know digital um and i i think that's where this type of technology is
going right like that's just to bring it all back that's where brain chips i don't see where else
they're going that's the idea if you can if you can hook into that level of the brain and understand
the individual neurons then why can't you replace individual neurons with perfect replicas
of little machines and you know i i think that's where it's going i think that's where they're
going as well i don't think this neural link thing is just designed for people who are paraplegic so
i think they're trying to prepare people mentally for the fact that like everyone's getting this
whether they want it or not but what am i i'm just a conspiracy critical thing of conspiracy
theorists uh uh yeah if anyone would like to come up by the way and chat oh drac i've just
accepted your space alien thanks for waiting that should have gone through now thanks for the bid
to chia very very kind uh yeah that that's going pretty well uh bradley i cut you off earlier i'm
not sure if if that moment has gone but uh i always feel guilty if i cut someone off so
never feel guilty edward i think i was just uh playing off the whole hot potato thing and
going uh one level further if you can almost go and play the old classic sales technique of uh
you have a five dollar item and three people bidding against it and you start the bid of
a penny but the lowest person that bids pays for the item so therefore everybody starts bidding
and then they know the item is only worth five dollars so now they start bidding up to twenty
dollars because nobody wants to pay for a five dollar item and now that it's overvalued so you
could do the same thing with the chip 22 format where you started off at like 10 mojos but every
bid has to go up 10 mojos but with the pool that you win is only worth let's say five xch then
everybody the lowest person has to pay the bill it's a it's a psychological sales technique
i do like stuff like that and i think um i don't know specifically but i wonder if some of
the work bram's doing on gaming will apply to any of this type of stuff um i think it might we'll see
yeah speaking of brahm um anybody heard anything from me last thing i heard he's deep into
state channels and pokemon chia any further updates there was a little chat on the chia
poker page i don't know if you're in that particular one but uh grant was asking basically
what's brahm up to i suppose i suppose grant thinks that he's not really been updating much
so it's been quite a while since there's been a significant update i was asking if brahm was okay
and gene said yeah he's fine but no further detail so i guess grant thinks that's
not something's going on but like there's it's not being updated what as much as what he thinks or
would like maybe maybe is being updated but in a different way so that that's the last brand news
i knew but uh i don't know yeah i think the last time i spoke to brahm was probably
uh november or october somewhere on there the monkey zoo space was it
that was yeah i think yeah i think so yeah great if he could come in on the halving
oh he can just be here lurking as we speak and we don't even know that's true yeah incognito mode
is a thing now it's not possible to know how many people are listening so that's pretty cool yeah
well if you listen from welcome to the halving the world record attempt by young art with
harp bradley wallace are you ready for it bradley i know you've got broken legs that's what i was
saying we could start promoting that a little bit tonight and start talking about it and saying
that we're uh we're looking for for guests to try to host with us um we're gonna try to do 88 hours
um that is uh a perfect i think josh actually you thought of it or steve thought of it
um it came up with half of 168 hour space which was the original of the nft1 launch um so we're
going to try to do 88 hour room uh recorded and beat the uh the last record we had of 69 and a half
hours yeah the first one was actually 169 hours uh i know it doesn't it only makes half an hour
difference but uh it's worth doing the extra half an hour but yeah it was 168 plus an extra
hour which some people claim didn't even happen at this point but uh if you search for one hashtag
169 hour space or 168 hour space you'll find it i think so yeah are you ready for it bradley are
you in shape are you gonna physically be able to handle it oh yeah i i am psyched for it i've
told my wife uh i pre-warned her that those four days uh she won't see much of me um i guess see a
lot of me but not necessarily be speaking with me a lot um so already prepared her and that's
really the biggest hurdle for me because i'll be healing up anyways and be kind of stuck home
doing that so uh yeah i'm psyched for it um i'm so ready for it and uh what these conversations
really give us the chance to do is be have the conversation beyond like what we normally have
right so we have these thursday night spaces but not everybody is able to attend it um we have a
quite a long time that we do it but again still we have a worldwide market um so people are not
able to come come to these spaces for it but we really rally the whole community behind you know
these 88 hour spaces doesn't matter who hosts it who's up on stage we're doing this as as a whole
together right for the community to bring light to chia to bring light to the chia community
um and really get to know uh the members on an individual basis i think that's some of my
favorite things about the 207 hour space that we did this last year was intimately getting to know
a lot of the different chia members and really more about their personal lives not as much
necessarily about their tech interests or crypto interests or or anything in between it's just
that real um you know getting to know somebody like feeling like you're hanging out with a friend
and uh and having the ability to jump in a room at any time and have a friendly voice and join
the conversation and banter um you know josh painter for president that that was one of my
favorite things over the 207 hour space it's the silly antics when you're exhausted and picking
your friends up you know i was tiling a freaking floor a kitchen and a bathroom floor while doing
that 69 hour space and it was really really integral that you know i had other people helping
me to be able to host so i didn't piss off my client at the time who was is probably one of
the clients that i was worried the most about being you know inside of a space around so it
was really good to be able to have that community support and be able to get through it and uh do it
all together yeah i can't believe it's going to be a third annual one uh spaces it went so quick
compared to the first one it's not the third annual collapse this one is uh for the halving
the third annual will be i guess first week of july if we if we do a third annual one that'll
be in july oh we're definitely doing one edward yeah the amount of hours is really the key of what
we're gonna do for the uh for the july space yeah but we're talking about the i think we we
schedule for what um may 6th edward i mean uh march 6th or march 7th let me just check my little
calendar here where we're gonna start within two days right so in case it like moves a little bit
sooner we're still covering it no matter what yeah steve actually sent me a website with the
countdown on it and i'm sure someone's sneaking in my computer and deleting bookmarks wherever
i save them i can never find the things uh yeah well i just bookmarks save everything on my end
so many things i think i just keep sorting all my bookmarks into really weird
file systems so that i can never find it when i actually need it so like why wouldn't i save it
under the chia bookmark tab but i think it's i think it's probably between 38 to 40 days away
something like that i'm not that's pretty that's like right around the corner i don't know if
anybody saw yesterday i i uploaded data there to my flip of zero that was iconic i did see that we
were cracking up inside of the inside of jitsy uh when we saw that yeah bro just uh so many things
you could do with that bro
yeah what are you utilizing to do that like what what are you storing
so i have a i'm asking garden i have like tons of space so i just i don't know i can update
upload a data layer file unless i wonder if it's going to be too huge and
uh uh and it wasn't it actually fit so pretty impressed so yeah uh uploaded the sprout uh
first other things as well
yeah because it it runs off um linux and windows and some other languages as well
and it actually has a wallet as well it has a bitcoin wallet uh ethereum
and i think i i want them to add a chia wallet to it so i sent the flipper guys dm uh probably a
week ago that's kind of good because you could actually use that as a a key for the vault as
well i could i could be used as one of your keys if you choose to along with your phone or your
laptop whatever super cool
yep next level tech that's like fiddle savvy that's up to um find a way to get it out there
better um marketing yeah i i don't know i'm at the i'm in the mindset of like tortoise in the hair
right the the tortoise ends up winning in the overall race um not necessarily in a rush to
to push it out to to the market right we're we're like josh said we're in primitive stages and
we're building this uh to be something that's going to last um are these other good chains
going to necessarily be here in the next 15 years i don't think so but i know that she is building
in a way so that will be um why rush it when you can uh take the time and do it right
it to be fair fit at all was saying the word marketing and i think if that's one of those
terms that means different things to different people because having the seedling in the
people's name is a is absolutely brilliant marketing that promotes cheer more than anything
but i think digital is saying that strictly funding early projects and developers is
what is needed because that is what drives the doctrine not mainstream whether it's carbon
credits or nike etc and to be honest that it's my opinion as well i think that
having the world bank as a customer is brilliant as a starting point to be like we've got the world
bank but and here's this here's the applications right but that's what he thinks i think we need
more of more of the thing that markets it uh the person in web 3 to then start using cheer
so yeah marketing is a bit of a general term isn't it it means a lot of things to different people
but yeah i mean it is a big different thing too right and and also we have to understand
that there's certain people who uh you know can take value out of that marketing um versus you
know who's necessarily the market inside of cheer right now so yeah we can change the market and
bring a different market in here of that retail market of more of you know some of that more
d-gen energy which again a lot of it is is uh good but it also comes with this issues
so we want to be prepared and have our you know infrastructure prepared for that as well
as well as the education and adoption as well as you know the actual projects that are being
basically driven on chain which is kind of what we're doing right we're community driven
to bring new projects and the proper projects over here and we've kind of been those people
and community ushering and setting the standard for the people you know basically adopting into
the chia as a chain and the website was halving.exchia.online Steve sent me that so it's 34 days
and 15 hours away the halving which is looking like March the 8th so I guess would we start the
world record attempt before it and continue during it I guess. Yeah yeah yeah probably like schedule
it for the 7th um you know in celebration for it on the 8th and then we have it's kind of right in
the middle of the of when we start it and uh we continue to talk about it and drive uh drive the
news across Twitter um and continue to party for the next two days. Let's do it so we've done 69
hours so far we it was you really but we we shared in it I guess but so we're going to try and break
the world record which is 72 and then but try and get to 88 or 89 whatever uh to just do that half
of the first world record from uh June 2023 I guess July 2023 July 2022 the first world record
yeah you're right goodness me that's a sign there things are happening so much that the years are
starting to blend in you're you're absolutely right world record one July 2022 world record two
And who knows with the energy if we push it to 96 but the goal is 88 right just like the goal
was 168 just like the goal originally was 200 hours um we always push it up a little bit extra
and and it's so hard to end it almost in the sense um and and we've already gone through
those big long spaces I mean we're only doing half of that so uh who knows if we're going to
be able to just continue it it's really what x is going to be able to facilitate for that recorded
room because that's really where the the record is right is for a continual recorded space um so
if it lets us go longer and the energy is still there I mean I'm home with a broken leg you know
I'm not going anywhere um if you guys are there too you know we'll just keep pushing it and uh
and we'll go as long as we can unrobed that's the record one single recording I mean what would we
do if if it rubbed after 20 hours do we just say that's it go home or do we oh shit do we then
start again but maybe a different person tries because you've only yeah so much I don't know and
I don't even know if it's on the person I I mean I'll I have like um uh business grade internet
now at my house um so I'll have a really really good signal um and continuous if it rubbed after
20 hours I mean in my opinion same position as like I said I'm already in is I'm stuck home anyways
um I would probably just start a new room and try it again um I don't know I guess we'll see when
it happens and we can uh roll with the punches but if it doesn't let us do the the world record
we're still pushing for those hours and we're still going to be hanging out because really
the celebration is about the happening and coming together as a community
yeah it's a great bonus if we're able to break the world record but that's not really what it's about
yeah fair play yeah fair play uh and then the bitcoin halving is a month after I think four
five weeks after so I don't yeah signal said 75 days uh from today earlier in the space
yeah hopefully hopefully vigil can make it as well we should be able to get more people
from outside the ecosystem that's a the energy from the last world record
led into quite a lot of really unique things I think that the week after that space the Thursday
after actually that was when Klaus and Lucas Lucas was probably following cheer before but
at least he started talking in that world record he brought fidgetl in then fidgetl and
alf said that they were going to have that mini feud for six months which fidgetl today said well
let's get them on a space together and do a boat that's cool but then I think the alf Lucas show
may have started out after those spaces so I think that second world record actually led to
uh like quite a lot of things knock on effects uh yeah it's kind of cool when you think of it like
that yeah it's those connections right and uh and people building together and that's what it's
really about bringing people together and uh seeing what each other's passions are and and connecting
and maybe that it has an opportunity like you said for this new show and Lucas has been killing it
so proud of him for that um him and alf have been doing a great job they've been having like
three five thousand average you know plays on their show um and and they talk about some
great interesting stuff um and yeah it's about facilitating relationships and uh and trying to
build towards the future of web 3 whether that's you know in this chain or another um it's it's
all about positive direction yeah and Grant's a guest on the the alf and Lucas show isn't he
I think he's is he on every day he was last time I checked yep yep he's on uh pretty much every day
from from my knowledge I think there's been a couple where he's had some business stuff to take
care of but yeah he's he's definitely a uh a regular on the morning show yeah I think Grant
is a regular in the morning shows I've been seeing Grant in the wild I don't know if he's
working on anything new he was here a couple of weeks ago I think it was his idea to do the world
well to do another marathon space he came in and said when's the next big one and we're like well
oh well what about the halving
nice definitely looking forward to that
so what's your what's your guys's thesis on what's going to happen for the chia
halving I think we're going to go up we're going to go down we're going to stay stagnant
uh what your thoughts I think we'll just about double I think again farmers rewards happening
it should level out to about the same maybe even a little bit more we'll see might go down
might fluctuate a little bit but overall I think we'll settle back um basically get the same
rewards so I'm I'm looking at it like a 70-80 dollar chia that that's what I'm looking at for
XCH that's my guess I don't know if that'll be right away um if it'll be you know within six
weeks but um I think overall it's going to settle and uh and be back where where it should be
overall to even out the rewards if we get to 80 bucks in six weeks that's pretty impressive
well why I say six weeks right again because that's right about the same time as the Bitcoin
happening um so I see a lot of a lot of a lot of positive price action within markets um over
the next couple months again not financial advice Edward down there is the big thumbs down
yes he's like I need more bags he's like
double up on these bags keep stacking modules
predictions are just so hard with chia I go back to when it launched apparently Gene and
Bram thought the price was going to be twenty dollars on launch and it launched at basically
two thousand dollars it went up just over two thousand so they were uh you know what's that a
factor of a hundred out I guess is that right yeah a factor of a hundred out on the launch
price and then the price has gone down way more than anyone thought so yeah if great minds like
that who know it so intimately and also mathematically minded can be a factor of a hundred
out at launch then throw in a half a double halving I mean it's kind of fun it's made
adds to the intrigue for me yeah I actually think we're at the bottom right now I think
the lowest we went to is about what twenty five dollars a couple months ago yeah I think these
are the bottom levels don't think we'll go below twenty dollars just my opinion not financial
advice take it at face value welcome Edward to the stage hey how are you my friend welcome
yeah good I I don't share everyone's enthusiasm for the pricing I think it'll be slower than that
I think a lot of people have already factored in pricing for a lot of a lot of coins at the
moment I hope so but yeah I think it'll just be a bit more gradual than that
yeah I think I'm more hopeful speculative but yeah I think definitely that that is also a
possibility Edward a hundred percent but I'm trying to be positive in the markets and and
and I feel it in the air man I feel the bull run I don't know what it is I don't know if that's
just been my excitement for being involved with what I've been involved with lately or
again just just what I feel in the air like I feel it coming yeah I think crypto is actually
a lot more aligned to you know the rest of the financial world as well I get there's just not
much money around at the moment so yeah I think we just have to wait a little bit longer
but we're also in election year right now Edward in the US so that's going to have a big play and
then Canada has theirs next year so that the next two years there's going to be a lot of money
flowing through those directions yeah I don't know if you guys remember like I had a the the last
you know proper bull run especially that aetherium had when it was still proof of work
um I think after the election there was um a relief payment that a lot of Americans received
I can't remember like a covid relief payment I've forgotten what what the value was I think it was
yeah overall was it a thousand dollars something was it like 1200 bucks a month yeah I thought it
was like between the thousand and 1500 bucks and I thought that like it just seemed to be
a wave of buying um pressure after that for a few months and then obviously you know
reality sets in and the money's gone but I mean the timing was um so unusual you know
you had aetherium which enjoyed like the last three months for miners on aetherium before it
um flipped over was amazing um
and then yeah the the proof of stake worked and crypto and the rest of the financial world as well
just went a bit cold and it's it's been cold you know for a good two and two and a half years now
I guess two years I suppose um I don't know just there's just not enough money around at the moment
to have that proper bull run it's I think we've endured a lot better than many many other
coins out there ones that were established even before us um yeah you know we're
we're a proper proper blockchain and it's not going anywhere except up it's just going to take time
yeah I think you're right to some points and especially during Covid you saw a lot of action
because people were taking second mortgages out on their houses but then there was also a
federal stop payment where you didn't have any any like recourse for not paying your mortgages
so it's kind of like you had a good few free months of no payments and could take that risk
on without basically you know as much risk so you saw a lot saw a lot of action as well
in there not just through the the payments that we got through the stimulus payments
um yeah there's there's a lot of wonky stuff and obviously we're still seeing recourse from all
those as well right so uh in the U.S. I think overall the the value of our dollar has gone
down about 40 percent overall uh from three years ago so the purchasing power and the actual value
of our purchasing power has gone down drastically which is basically a tool of the Fed right to
make it so we stop spending so therefore they can make it so we don't go into uh some sort of
recession yeah so that's the cost of living within your country right like um
yeah I saw something the other day how much are you guys paying for a Big Mac
oh jeez a value meal now is like 16 dollars 17 dollars
for like a single burger value meal yep uh normal yeah medium with soda and fries is 16 16
dollars what the fuck that's crazy bro that's that's worse than Australian bro in in Australian
dollars that's bro I paid eight bucks with that over here what the heck happened
we printed uh a ton of money that's what happened yeah but that's those that would only affect your
international stuff though you know the the money printing thing that's that's um something else at
play I reckon um yeah that's strange it's inflation it's literally the tool of the Fed
I think it's a cost fast what restaurant is that McDonald's taking
damn they're trying to wipe out the savings of the middle class and the working class people
they're just they're trying to create civil strife they're using psychological warfare to
divide people and they're gonna create a civil war in America very soon that will lead to a
world war three that will happen unless people realize the media is all controlled and scripted
years ahead and they say I'm a conspiracy theorist but that is what is happening
I think the red states are going to succeed
I think we should avoid talking about that for now sure yeah that's time that's time to talk
about it you gotta talk about it we're all one man we're all one we every space we have right
people get on we get on we talk yeah there's never a disagreement every every person in the
world is nice it doesn't matter if they're a republican or a democrat everyone is the same
politics is an illusion to divide people and if it's then left to the written word to define
the narrative which it is with social media and technology then it if the media is owned by one
secret group then one person on earth can literally control the narrative of human thinking
if they control that button and that is the reality of it so the more conversation the less
ambiguity like dbc came up earlier he had had a back and forth with some people and he's just
a really nice guy when people talk it's a completely different communication method so
I actually think it should be encouraged so that being said I'm not sure who was talking last
um yeah man I look I fully agree with the talking about it but I just wanted to stick
go back to the subject at hand with the cost of living um how much is two pounds of potatoes uh
tomatoes tomatoes in the us like in that I can tell you because I don't eat vegetables
uh so a new york cut steak um
per pound oh well now you're going into something that was so uh beginning of 2023 they put a new
tax stipend onto every head of cattle for 3500 so that raised the beef prices through the roof
um yeah there's a lot of things at play there's there's a lot of taxation there's a lot of new
deals that are going on um there's a lot of play they taxed the animal before it's realized the
profit oh they they taxed the farmer
not even the butchers not even yeah they taxed the farmer 3500 a cattle because of the methane
production oh is that us wide yep so they're charging one of my favorite places to get beef
from they they also paid a shit ton of farmers to get rid of their crops so therefore to uh
control price action of goods within the grocery stores
okay that sounds a bit draconian well that's a normal practice that that's been going on
since uh the agri yeah but there's a lot of industrial agriculture yeah yeah but they did
it to an nth degree this year the last two years
yeah i think that's a mistake yeah that's
all while bill gates is buying up the largest plots of farmland across the country
i'm burning the other side well you know it's at least he's an american
yeah um i don't know if that's a good thing
you guys see he got roasted yesterday in congress
yes i didn't but it makes me happy did he get roasted or the other guys the you know meta and
oh god well he had to start up and apologize that was a week of voluntary
yeah that was zuckerberg wasn't it
yeah i'm pretty sure it was mark zuckerberg yeah
yeah well i i'm gonna do a lot of googling this weekend to understand
that cost a living increase on food because that was one thing that was always awesome about the
us was um was food prices were cheap you know it wasn't necessarily great eating out in the usa
as a tourist it was very difficult to you know find good restaurants that sort of thing
especially on the west coast but it was always cheap and you could always get good value
if you hunted around a bit so that's that's pretty shocking yeah yeah i think it's like
268 for mcchicken now so like everything that was on the dollar menu was almost tripled
yeah well that's that's about the equivalent price in australian dollars it would work out to be
six bucks australian i think for mcchicken but what those are are loss items
yeah like how yeah like how restaurants work how the grocery stores work again a
roast history chicken you don't make money on but it brings people into the store yeah right so same
thing with like happy meals you get your kid to go there well you're not going to get not get a meal
too sure all right uh what's the other metric a syrupy what's the price of a large syrupy like not
the big gulp size but is it a dollar no probably like two bucks 209
and you're talking about a five cent soda
yeah again i i know the costing on that it's literally between three and five
cents even two years ago when i owned my restaurant far out
so you owned a restaurant through covet i opened three months before covet started yeah ran it two
years through it um and uh the other three partners basically stopped doing anything and i ended up
running everything uh when my percentage of the ownership was supposed to be building the
restaurant out which i did um i completed my end of the partnership before we even opened
um and then i ended up restarting it and opening it three times being closed through covet uh
bringing it to profit and then i basically had an argument with the financial investor partner
uh he was the only one left in the business besides me and i wanted 50 of the company
and he said him and his wife will try running it and uh three months later they were divorced
oh jeez and he was apologizing to me and and saying sorry and i'm like well it's too late you
got rid of my staff he changed my the whole place you got rid of everything like i am not coming
back and and basically i gave up two years of effort and partnership um didn't get paid any
money literally just gave up the time and and started my carpentry business god what a nightmare
jesus yeah we're a restaurant business is very odd
i mean even if a successful restaurant you're looking at five to eight percent profit margin
on a good day never mind through covet it's not a very high profitable margin even with a bar yeah
yeah it's uh you guys are tough over there there's no doubt about it holy shit
yeah what's that Bahamas like class
oh same old same old not new
yeah apart from all the new crypto companies and um influencers starting to show up but other
than that do you ever do you ever hang out on the cni discord yeah yeah i tried to go now
probably once a day to reach you everything and probably comment on something if i see needs fit
to be yeah okay yeah i was in there probably an hour ago just uh having a laugh you know jean
always uh chose little uh punches around little jokes but yeah i was reading through the main chat
oh it's good to see you guys i'm just gonna not talk for a while i've got to do some work
i'm still at work you know always a pleasure my friend i'll make sure to bring up a topic
that i know you're passionate about and you'll be back on stage in a minute cheers thank you for
showing up here's edward i know we had steve on stage i think he dropped down
if you're still listening steve i hope you're well also shout out to the crypto echo
yep uh going back um to data layer uh i hope to get those dig nodes up and running
this month or next month excited to
help integrate with those big nodes and uh mirror coins
i think that's the answer to the question is what's chia going to be worth after the
halving my answer is just data layer that's the key word here it's got everything yeah
yeah i see data layer is the big thing right now for chia
compared to everything else it looks like it's going to be the home of dapps not just on chia but
perhaps even every other blockchain app could be wrong there but if it all gets ironed out i know
michael said that he put a call out for developers in a tweet yesterday or the day before saying
there's a might not emergency but we're yeah a minor what would you call that a roadblock
yeah we need um more rust developers i reached out to a few ruts developers on my end as well
so if you're in the audience if you're into rust if you know about rust now's the time to grease
those wheels and you know get involved because the data layer needs you it's not falling apart
but it has hit a problem minor problem big big small minor problems so nothing to worry about
but if we don't get past it then we could be in trouble but yeah there's a scamming issue
which he's already figured out um he just needs to do a partial rewrite to some stuff um to again
they just never thought of coming into the issue and i won't necessarily go into it um but yeah
he just needs to go a little bit about a different way um but the technology here he's kind of already
figured out the solution just needs to again kind of have some funding come his way so go buy some
minions support the guy if we think this is the technology that's going to take chia to the top
and further we got to support those people who are going to be building the ecosystem that we
believe in uh trump broke some news on the data layer space on wednesday michael couldn't be there
this week he is working on a uh a d-app for chia music as a player so that's i'm really excited
about that really excited uh there was rumors last week from art with heart and track about
other things but i'm not i'm not sure what to say but uh we are waiting waiting on ace fail
um so again there's we want to bring the tank talk over to chia but there's some wallet connect
issues and some display issues with like the marketplace so we need some solutions built
before we can bring it over um but then the media player we already actually have and we could
actually oh if you uh uploaded your files to uh to data layer we could play them
wow so the tang talk to chia music rumors uh are they still active
oh yeah it's coming again the player is already there that that's a very simple part of it um
and we'll we once we come over to chia we'll we'll definitely be able to port chia music directly
into it yeah thinking about d apps in the future i kind of had a revelation yesterday that the d
apps are gonna not yesterday a few days ago the d apps are gonna uh run from the data layer aren't
they am i right about that if that's wrong please correct my assumption so if the d apps run from
the data layer itself other people's d apps are going to be able to scale into other pages
i would think so that if you had a d app running a click of a button would switch to a different
d app within the window because it's just relinking a different data layer store yeah exactly yep
as long as as long as the d app is able to fit within the data store yeah
instant switching of app to app then i would think would be a main feature but actually i
see trunks on the stage super chunk the main man himself data layer pioneer of course the trunks
were the first collection on data layer uh how you doing chunk super chunk so chunk
you came up and i just got cold feet no i got a cold
call of nature no i got a phone call from my wife also of nature maybe
she's like you better not be on those spaces again i told you you gotta come home and take
care the kids they're they're going crazy you know stop talking on the phone where's birdman
when you need him i heard from him last night he popped in a space last night um i haven't heard
his voice in a while he he literally just posted something from the church of chia page like five
minutes ago take a look well if you chat to him say sup baby from me
i could just send him at the end but anyway what's up
yeah we just found last man
i heard you say you already have a player mate if you can uh sort out the player for
for ed he deserves all the help he can get for sure yeah jackson has a very simple thing there's
there's some very easy implication it just it's bringing it over to chia that's the issue right
now well it's not too hard because you do what he did for the for the pumpkins slash the uh
uh are the ones the poor time fortune fortune cookies and uh puts a player in a html he could
do it it's an easier implementation than the tank talk in my opinion
maybe chunk we can jump on a call the next couple days or something and uh
you can kind of go through those parts with them
yeah sure i'll hand it off to him if he wants to do for
guys seem like you've got it further along than i have so
no it's got it's got to be trunks player i've already visualized it
that win amp it it's got to have that win amp feel
it's fine you can be envisioned
so i've just stepped into my super hot car and i'm getting burnt
on the steering wheel it's hot today bro you got to get you got to get a visor bro yeah
do you know what it's my car my wife drove this car last and she did not put the visor on
so i'm gonna have some stern words i might not be back it might be dead
but stern words are still the head
yeah chunk what's your take on data layer apps and switching between them
do you think it'll be easy to switch apps from one to the other just just like that
i hate the data it's not my favorite thing and i
lies it's all like but let's let's find a data layer is a rug um don't use i know i'm kidding
yeah what sorry my my phone from my computer to my headset what's going on
all right can you hear me now
yeah back on the headset sweet um about apps on the data layer i like the idea
i love the idea having uh only certain places or certain nodes pick up the information for
that version of new software is the important thing i think access control i guess and also
the kind of uh the kind of way we're going to get that application running on a on a host machine
securely is the next problem so there's a lot of problems you know with self-sovereignty comes
problems of uh system security so uh whilst the data layer is good verifiably secure there's
nothing stopping somebody putting something crap on data layer that will attack your computer so
i don't want to scare anyone but that's basically what you could do you could do with ipfs you wanted
to as well something stopping you from doing it but applications vetted by platforms i know people
don't like them but it's part of security so
that's interesting i see what you're saying that there's no filter between let's just say a
malicious hacker and your chia client with data layer so trusting yeah i see what you're saying
well i look and i think you just reached a little bit with your chia client and the data layer so
the the the chia provides a way to verify data layer and data layer is an application that's
been built side by side and it's integrated with the chia blockchain you can have you could have
a data layer style without the chia blockchain it just wouldn't be verified one chain um you can
have a blockchain without data line we've got plenty of those so it's more about what you're
doing with them and what their what their uses are if you just go off and say everybody can
use it in the chia client i think you'll probably be mixing things that are probably not supposed
to be integrated for safety and security purposes so you don't want to compromise the reference
wallets inherent security by being part of the chia blockchain that you know all the cheering
complete stuff to do with chia list and the security
so there's a difference that should be extracted
so then the chia client would just open up a web page that's running the uh the page that's been
served out of the data layer into your client and it looks like it's in the client but it's
totally sandboxed or it just provides a link that you click from a i don't know go here or some
central port on your own computer so you could say you know my ip address internally on this network
and then it goes to a some sort of splash page that then links to websites that are served out
of data layer so for example if josh has a blog i mean we've had this idea before i've chatted
about it plenty of people have chatted about it if i've got a blog that's uh hosted on data layer
so it's josh i can go to my little quite a quite home page and then i can have a look at josh's
blog but josh's blog has actually been served locally from my computer and it's only really
available to people inside my network if i choose so so i don't want people to run around and find
josh's blog on my computer no offense a lucky blog it's pretty good but i just don't want all
the traffic involved with people coming into my uh router and trying to get files and you know
maybe i don't want that so maybe i just want to ingest it locally and then the data layer provides
a way to um be part of the decentralization of josh's blog but it's got nothing to do with the
money side it's got nothing to do with uh the uh blocks it's got nothing to do with the fees
the only where the only place it touches it is in the uh the coins are verified and the coins that
propagate the data sorry for the long-winded answer
i love long-winded answers myself so i'll take a deep breath for the next one for you mate
please do have some kfc and carry on kfc we'll make my uh like capacity shorter my friend
flashback to the first world record space july 2022 is that when i was eating kfc in the car
look i'm not surprised you think of that stuff because i'm always kind of in the car and eating
while on space uh for the aforementioned reason that art with heart says that i should be getting
off the space because i'm in the car probably just outside the house uh or i have uh gone to
get food i'm currently dodging in it who else in the car and on space i just remember thinking
this is like a new thing i hadn't really spoken on spaces before and we did that well recorded
at the end of it there was like one space when you're like oh hold on a second and you you just
were eating kfc during the thing and i don't know why it just it almost humanize you in a sense
although you still seem like a human but i just thought this is a new era like this is new media
essentially and you're kind of part of it at the same time live so uh i love that stuff it's still
online i guess go back and get that clip but i see that steve has just jumped on the stage
another data layer pioneer head of the recruit uh i thought you'd go on there steve but uh welcome
up on stage hello yeah actually i got a phone call so it kicked me off
what's up steve i was gonna say earlier that i only have to pay like eight dollars for my
big mac combo but um by the time i got up on stage the conversation had moved on so
you must be getting some uh some discounts down in kentucky
yeah i don't yeah i don't know uh i i live in the like the area that i am in is a little bit
sheltered from some of the highs and lows of of well really everything but the economy like we
don't we're just sort of like a sheltered area in the midwest i guess like we don't experience a lot
of super high inflation and but not a lot of super low inflation you know what i mean like it just
middle of the road kind of yeah i should also add that main is also one of the like i think top 10
most expensive states to live in so that that also does not help
hey edward i have a question for you oh i'm sorry yeah yeah go ahead i was gonna totally change
topics so i don't know if someone has something to say i just got a phone call mate i'm sorry i
didn't hear all the nice things you said to me i will listen to them later okay i'm sure they're
all nice uh they're probably all lies steve please change the topic i was gonna ask edward if you uh
saw the crypto echo who's in the room he his recent video is on chia's space aliens auction
i i saw the link but i have not opened the video yet no i should open it now actually i retweeted
it and uh but couldn't hear the audio during the space but uh yeah what what's the news with it
uh i haven't got a chance to to watch it yet either i i noticed it during the space but i
just was going to point it out because he's in the room and um he's been posting a lot of videos like
this really nft collection never created not just for the creators i like that for
click on subscribe because we gotta get going that's me appreciate oh wow
uh he makes all the great chia spaces
with panda rock and roll uh tone and i followed his spaces whenever i can
and i've always wanted to talk about chia music space aliens because
really a license that's not just for the creators but for their owners
and probably most people don't need the license but this is the most important license that you
ever need to read one and only commercial rights this license gives you full rights to commercialize
the entire 303 chia music space aliens collection if you own at least one chia music space aliens
t-shirt sunglasses anything number two nft writes you are strictly far better from using the chia
music space alien for nft minting apart from one unique exception music videos featuring a space
alien you own may be used to make nft music videos on budget the mouth may be changed
rule three meme rights this license gives any one of our full rights to create memes or chia
music space alien related media from the entire 333 collection as long as you do not commercialize it
legally reform pink floyd actually google that and pink floyd is cool so this is the
option that's currently there you go and there's one every day amazing which is pretty cool right
what a voice as well i've never done this before but i want to do a voice when he says this is the
all right so 35 more chances here we go there's about four minutes should i play the rest of it
or should i pause it for other why don't you just drag it out and play a little bit later and then
play a little bit a little bit later and make everyone wait with eight minutes 40 you've got
if you want the next two and a half minutes it'll be in four hours time yeah pay up
i love that that was fantastic thank you the crypto echo uh i absolutely love that uh if you
want to come up and speak please you're welcome to it and by all means just if you don't want to come
up right now you're busy don't feel pressured to but uh yeah that that's amazing i appreciate that
appreciate the shout out thank you the crypto echo echo
yeah that's awesome yeah i i suspect he might be in like the eastern time zone or something
so it might be late for him if it's in a decent time zone it's probably not it's 4 30 pm
in australia eastern uh us i think i actually don't know where he is but i i just kind of think
that oh sorry speaking of it is uh 12 35 and i tweaked my uh foot while trying to sleep last
night so i didn't get very much of it um but i love you guys with all of my freaking heart
um i would not want to be anywhere else spending my time every thursday night um please give some
emojis for this amazing man edward he never asks for anything he always gives his heart
he always puts his time in every freaking day every thursday giving it to us all so i love you
buddy thank you very much talk to you later john i love you buddy even though you can't hear me
um get some rest get some pro tambro appreciate it guys
get rested up buddy the halving is coming who are you saying that to get rest up not to me
at home no but to bradley oh right i can't hear him yeah uh don't kick any goals don't
bring it to your legs please
good good call i want to ask the correcto echo if he was inspired by your
community spotlight space steve i have a feeling that people really like that particular one
the long-form star wars chat and uh i think that's i think that's why people love curious
these long-form chats more than anything just sort of a feeling of no community technology a bit of
everything yeah the conversation listening to the conversation is good
i don't i don't know that i felt like it went that well but
it was really long right how many hours was it i don't know if i remember right i had off
i didn't have to work the next day so we went pretty pretty late
yeah it may have been six hours seven hours i'm not sure it could have even gone longer
that was a legendary space oh um steve you're foreign to that basis last one
when was it there was was that between christmas and new year's or something like that
yeah i think so i think we went to about 3 a.m yeah yeah it sounds right yeah
yeah that was at least six hours at least six hours
yeah i think everybody bowed out uh except for me and you steve josh and josh
josh is always around i'll repin it i'll put it in the room eight hours and 30 minutes 19 seconds
1000 that's four a.m yeah my time yeah yeah same with me
well i released the recruits this week i don't i don't know if anyone in the room
received one actually monkey zoo did i know for sure
no i think i meant i think i already mentioned it uh yesterday i didn't get a chance to look
at it yeah they were all they're kind of like airdrops into owners of daylayer minions so if you
had a certain a certain set of attributes on for the minions um that i'm calling that i'm calling
factions like um i got it from the video game destiny they have these factions in there but
anyway um it and this is unofficial but i just i just named on these factions and attributes and
people that had on my airdropped them uh uh the recruits and i'm gonna have more factions i just
that was like the first wave so i know monkey zoo got at least one and he got or he got several i
think um because i could see him in his did he had like six i think maybe
they all um they all have split royalty addresses um edward i don't know how you set up all yours
but um it's not as easy as what i was thinking i wonder how you did it did you do it all manually
the royalties protect the prism pavement thing right yeah i did it with split xgh
dot com right right uh that's what i did too i ended up using the api but did you do it all
mainly i'm guessing you did right well when you say manually what what do you mean
you did it through the website by like typing or not necessarily typing but copying and pasting
and adding in the different like this address goes to this address and uh-huh yeah oh yeah
yeah that that's what i did i copied in the chia addresses put the name of the person and then
the percentage is fairly equal it it's an equal split so if there's 59 members it's 100
minus the fee which is 1.5 divided by 59 and then i guess i round down and if there's a little bit
left over give it to the top one so you had a page where you had entered 59 different addresses on
yeah correct oh god yeah i did it for for one and then you have to wait for it to clear the
blockchain and i was like oh my god this is going to be brutal because i had 60 some odd to do
and um luckily i found out there's an api and i could do it like i could run it through the
api and get all the addresses before it actually cleared the blockchain and so then i could
let it process those in the background after i already had all the addresses
if that makes sense i thought control c control v was the shortcut these days but is that considered
the long way i wonder i'm sorry um that one is i hit up um lucky to and he's the one that kind
of walked me through what to do for the api yeah there's like a class mode yeah
so for the recruits they um it splits the realities between the data layer minions
donation address for the data layer development the actual owner of the data layer minions whoever
had that in their wallet at the time i did the snapshot and in myself that's if i remember right
it's a third you know it's a third for each one oh that's brilliant that's really nice yeah it's
nice you've created basically free value for the project for the nft creator and also
for yourself which you've got every right to do yeah this for me is the at the heart of why
derivatives with chia friends you've got a steam noticeable sorry say again
oh go ahead sorry yeah it's like if you could get a prism payment projects copying chia friends in
the same way steve's done it and you just give it to the creator could be surf it could be
developers i mean it just it's amazing really so you know that's awesome so the recruits are
powered by prism pavements they are yeah oh wow
well oh yeah all the recruits are the actual recruiter himself that that like the icon that
i'm using as my pfp or the image i'm using as my pfp that one just goes to me so
though but all the other ones go to the split among everybody else
nice nice other recruits playing the role in the active data layer development are they part of a
like a story or narrative uh no only only in the sense that i'm the purpose is to entice people
to buy more data layer minions so that it funds the you know michael's efforts and i'm
in the works of planning out and i this is one thing that i learned is i should have talked
more about and promoted this more i guess so that and maybe even planned it out so that
there were more options on people to buy the minion factions or whatever
anyway so a lot of people felt like they missed out i guess so i'm i am doing more and i'm
kind of planning out the factions so that there are a bunch of minions not purchased yet they're
still at like the original floor release price what do we call that what do we call the first price
is that called the floor that's not a floor floor price right well the floor is just the
lowest price what's the original price like anyway you see what i'm saying oh yeah what was it
i don't know what it's i mean i guess just original price i guess that makes the most sense
well yeah i think it was what point six no point one the all the day later i mean it's your point
one yeah so anyway i'm designing factions did where i know that there is a bunch of those point
ones available so that people could go out and buy which you know supports the efforts of
that's the plan really cool man that's really cool so they are a kind of recruiting real-life
recruiting character right i mean yeah that was that was uh how i came up with the actual name
yeah that was the plan the whole time i wish fiducile was here he would love this idea i think
pretty damn innovative again yeah i didn't know it was going on quite honestly i was like hold on
blink and i missed it so if there's any more recruiting drives then uh then i'll be curious
well this first way i guess was maybe a test like uh just kind of see if it could work and
i'm gonna like i say i'm gonna have but i've already have planned at least five more factions
so probably probably more i don't know breaking recruits news here live on spaces more breaking
news i'm zooming into your profile pic here yeah oh it's like uh yeah that looks cool
yeah i think i think i actually used a data layer minion and like ai3d to come up with that
for anyone in the audience if you look at clausen steve's uh pfp's it clausen's got the
original data layer minions as his profile pic and steve's got the recruit ai derivative version so
yeah i don't know if i've asked you about the license steve but you can jump around whatever
but what do you think makes a good license with nft's or with art should it just be open for them to
do derivatives or i said well i guess my personal opinion is that it would depend on the artists
themselves and what they want their collection to be right like for me i've been i've been using
since day one the same license and i forget where i came up with it um i think it's mostly a copy
of a license that someone else already had and i made a little bit of tweaking to it and then i
just use that same template on every collection and just replace the collection name and the
collection id and it's pretty much the same verbiage all throughout um but it's like mine
is probably restrictive it it doesn't allow for derivatives and whatnot but if that's what you
want your for your collection i that's great i think i know you guys were talking about the chia
friends one earlier um and it and possibly future changes if i think i was eaten at the
time that you guys were talking about that but um they have they have modified that license once
already to make it less restrictive yeah just the ambiguity that lighting products with
new license yeah like that that affects the whole value of the collection in my opinion
and also it's a disconnect it's like well where's the current license then if if you're saying
that the one cryptographically hash can just be centrally updated like all chia licenses could
in theory be like a trick to legally and say do you know what i mean if if i launch a connection
and say okay you're not allowed to use uh this with this and then i change it but don't tell you
about it then like do you see what i mean it just seems weird i feel like the real license needs to
be on chain otherwise what are we doing here but uh yeah i i think the first part of what you were
saying cut out but i i gathered what you're saying from the last part um and up probably
the preference would be to have it on chain um but i think they did have i'd have to go back and
look at the original one but didn't they put wording in there that um basically would say
it could be superseded or something like that i don't remember yeah i guess maybe they did i'm not
sure i think that's the way monkey zoos is as well like a the it points to the the monkey zoo
website for the if you know the latest current version of it thumbs up monkey zoo if you're
listening and that's true i think that's right though i still feel that's an ambiguous whole
say okay here's a license and we may supersede it somewhere else well what defines where that is
do you have to personally check with the person every day by the phone could they hide a new license
bury it in the desert and say you've got to find that but that's what i'm counting as the new license
like so i think i see where i think i understand what you're saying but um
in this instance for them they they made it less restrictive i guess you the argument could be made
that you liked it when it was more restrictive and didn't want it to be more open but uh yeah
yeah i i think the the most ideal plan is to have it right from the beginning
where you know it would would never be modified and you could meant it into the blockchain and
you know it's there forever the way it is but the world is ever evolving and changing and
sometimes we have to allow ourselves the way to adapt so wow uh spiritual stuff there from
steve step yep like they tell my parents all the time moving from analog to digital
so you know get on board i'll get left behind
i would love it if there was a version two they air dropped and it was basically a completely
open license because that would be more valuable if you could have it in the original the originals
could live on and be superseded with basically a better license sorry yeah go ahead yeah so i was
just going to ask if you meant a version two of the collection or the version two of the license
but you meant collection yeah collection yeah a remit exactly the same just exactly the same
but with the license hashed to the thing and then air dropped to the uh the owner i suppose you could
at that point if you air drop it to the owner only to people who have moved it once maybe
perhaps they could even hold back the ones that may have been lost let's say although that's up to
them i'm just a one for one airdrop would be the probably the best safest way but and also maybe
they could change the royalty address to be for developers so you'd have a developer's version two
prison payments baby and the original one still goes to marmots so if you like the first one it's
always the first it's got that inherent value then maybe there could be room for i just think
they're sitting on a giant gold mine of ip like just use it make money from that i don't know
you guys uh still play the card game
gat t cg argue is that still up and running uh i would think it's probably still up and running
but i i haven't played it since like the first couple weeks it was out probably
yeah i can hear it anything from that in a while
but i just there's just so many fun things to work on like um i i really don't even play video
games at all anymore like i used to be on used to play destiny 2 like quite a bit on the xbox nice
when i set it down and started chia i have never went back
back well i did play the the latest halo game when it came out and beat it but i just played
like the campaign beat the campaign then um well it was better than hold on sorry my battery
backup's going crazy bro i used to play hello so much back in the day halo overlooked
sorry i'm gonna have to buy a new battery backup that my farm just crashed lost power um
um halo yeah so halo um halo i was very disappointed with halo 5
but uh this last one halo infinite was definitely better than five um they they went more back to
some of the flossing the more uh some of the they got rid of some of the
the stuff that they had added in halo 5 that i didn't like like there was a
uh like these uh hot lights around dead bodies on the ground and stuff like glowing rings around
or whatever like it's been a long time since i played that one so i can't remember all the details
but um yeah the the this last one was better i think they tried to make it more of a
of a base base oh sorry i was gonna say like a base game that they could continuously have
updates for um i still think for these two but that's once bro i used to play so much oh yeah
for sure i i played the first one um i had just bought an xbox and i think i this was in like
around 2000 i guess and um i had got like a some sort of magazine game magazine that had a demo
cd in it cd rom and on that cd rom of a bunch of different games was one level of halo and i
immediately was like i gotta go buy this game bro i can't believe that's 20 years ago
24 years ago what are you talking about oh shit yeah
didn't the first one come out in 2002
no um no the first one had to come out and
it had to come out in 2000 i was based on the where i was living at the time this apartment i was in
i mean it was it was it was a launch game with the xbox itself the original xbox which was in like
yeah yeah okay yeah yeah you're a season of 99 or something like that i think
yeah you're right yeah wow
it's right when i graduated college too i graduated college in december 99
oh junior high bro oh actually you know what you might be right
you may i may be getting the year off that might have been 2001
yeah yeah i lived at home for about eight months after college before i got an apartment
yeah anyway yeah it was like 2001 i think
well what do you view as you're thinking like for gaming in terms of like um having wallets
integrated into games and persons playing for like tokens what a lot matches yeah you think that's
a possibility the future i don't i mean um i don't i don't guess i know enough about game
development and it seems it seems like it would be slow like if you're going to try to do it
yeah on a blockchain with the like you would need to do it like in a like layer two or l two or
whatever they're yeah that's a scale definitely because of the amount of traction and users but
you know the drag team they they use supposedly ever doing some cool stuff so i don't i don't
know i just i kind of feel like the integrating games into blockchain is going to require a
like an a different paradigm of game like a different different yeah like paradigm of game
that we that we haven't really seen before yeah so hopefully someone will do it
that's only issue oh yeah for sure we need scalability and speed
i can't imagine like yeah sorry go ahead no please go ahead steve i was just gonna say i
can't like envision like a first person shooter and having all the items and resources and you
know all that kind of stuff um i mean maybe you could put you know work in the money system like
you know buying thing yeah yeah i don't know typically like it like say i'm thinking of
destiny too when i was playing that you know if you go to a store in game store where you
can purchase armor or you know whatever like you're that's not in in game like gameplay mode
that's more like in uh run run explore mode or whatever versus like actual fighting scenes or
whatever so it probably doesn't matter if it's as blazing fast to to spend the coins from your
wallet to get the item or whatever but um if you're in a gun battle you know you're
in the middle of a death match with 12 other people uh
you know having to link back to a wallet or something like that or to a slow blockchain
that might be difficult without something like a layer two yeah i don't think the other ones are
going to be uh two of us definitely going to need that too but if you get prizes like at the end
like when you complete raids and stuff in in games like destiny if you got special items that you
collected or you know experience points or any of that kind of stuff that experience translates into
um cat tokens or something like that
much you know when you said about a paradigm shift in gaming i think you might be on the right path
there i think a whole different sort of game is going to favor botch i think more like spoken
games like the sort that you'd play live and almost like i spy i don't know if you had that
one in in america did you ever play that i spy with my little eyes something beginning with
tea and yeah that kind of stuff simple word game i don't know but in a shared virtual environment
and also card games perhaps but for like yeah something smaller
or social something that like if you could if you could get levels delivered in
in batches or you know like uh what am i trying to say like for a few coins you know you you would
get the next level it would download a big chunk and you would be able to play that without having
to go back to the blockchain until you reach the next level you know and then it's just like on a
playstation or something like that it's like a loading screen when it loads up the next mission
or next you know whatever it may take a minute for all that to load but once that's done now you
have complete access to the entire world within that mission or whatever
i can see something like that look like just more delivery of content through leveling
kind of thing i don't know i don't know what i'm talking about really i don't even hardly
play games anymore so yeah that makes sense to me maybe you go to the next data layer store that's
gated with the upgrade to the app or the next level if you complete the previous one
and until you do that cryptographically you can't see it
so way back when i was considering a battle cats
game like i was i was going to use um where i was playing with uh
uh what was it called it was like an rpg rpg maker i think was the name of it where it would
be like an old 16-bit super nintendo style 2d game similar to like legend of zelda and um i was
going to build it with like bat you know like a cat character or whatever and then the thought was
that you could build like levels to it or or um yeah like levels to the quest like maybe there's
nine total levels and or let's say 12 12 levels and one level comes out each month or you know
whatever or or would be purchased through an nft or however i didn't i didn't make it that
far because i realized it's too much for one person to do when i got all this other stuff
to play with as well so but that's kind of like the thought i was uh had back then
i know that growing up games were more of a driver of being social at least in my house
you'd get monopoly out and well i i would couldn't wait to play it and when i think about it it was
perhaps more social where the game itself kind of didn't matter it was sharing a sort of physical
space and then talking about it live video games where it's just you versus the machine
they're fun i guess but i don't know i feel it doesn't have the same social golden ice split
screen that's what i'm about like you're there together oh yeah i had that in college that was
that was a lot of fun yeah everyone i think everybody had that that was switch one
another thing we played in college you mentioned physical board games is we played uh the game
risk a lot like there was a lot of weekends where the sun would be uh before we finished the game
of risk just you know who conquered the world or whatever steve i've got star wars risk in the room
here waiting for you if you ever want a game in bangkok i'll set it up i actually think i might
have star wars risk to be honest with you i never played it i've had it for like 12 years and
whenever i have a game i'm like just well it's a different board it doesn't make sense there's
there's like different things connected that in the original risk would change the whole thing
so i thought it's but maybe a maybe for the future do a live cheer space during it
all right there's got to be some sort of online version of risk i bet that would be pretty fun if
you had a group of people that you knew them all like where you could voice chat and talk shit
during the game and that kind of stuff that'd be cool and so is the sheer risk i think risk
is more of a social game than poker no no they're both very social but risk is it's more something
but i don't know what it's what that thing is it has another element too when you're drinking
as well or actually it was college so some of those guys were probably smoking you know whatever
were you a marijuana smoker when you played risk steve is that too personal
and no never i've never done that in my life i've never smoked anything in my life yeah
i have a actually a pretty strong aversion to smoking so
pollution will do that to you
pollution well i think it's more like i enjoy the fresh air uh i don't like second-hand smoke
uh bancrops full of smog and they say that when you sort of hear it's almost like you're
you're smoking even if you're not yeah everybody got a workaround or oxygen mask on
yeah like the full tank yeah it's not within your backpack it doesn't really bother me strangely i
don't know why right because your lungs your lungs are already adjusted to it already you acclimated
already so of course it wouldn't want me i weed myself onto pollution with marijuana first
i'm surprised my roommate never got caught in college because um it was frequent
um did he do the um did he do the wet towel trick underneath the door um he he had the
the um what what's the word i'm looking for paper towel to filled with um like dryer sheets that he
would blow out through out the window or whatever
and he wasn't using joints or anything you know he's smoking up out of a bowl so
but yeah they there probably was something blocking the door i'm sure but as well
i think what people are craving is connection more connection everywhere they say that that's
what the major rise in depression is over the last 20 30 years it's essentially not enough
connection which is human connection of different forms and so my having not thought about it much
my sort of outside the box guess would be the games or whatever facilitate connection whatever
that is live conversation most likely because it's in the most natural form of human communication
but what those games could be it could it be word games did you ever play those drinking games where
it'd be uh you'd have to say like steve says two flamingos it's like steve says two flamingos cloud
says three cars you know oh steve and you have to keep adding to it those kind of games but how it
would link to blockchain we never played any like that that sounds a lot like um like that
game simon where you have to like choose the sound and colors and it adds a new one everything around
um now well there there a lot of times it was stuff like uh there was a game called presidents
and assos and it was just a bunch of different silly drinking games basically
yeah i know you got to know you got to keep the classic flip cup yeah played that quite a few times
yep beer pong beer pong yeah another classic i played this one i i can't remember how it goes
but it was called round robin or something we played it at an actual bar that had pool tables
and and ping pong tables and it was some kind of ping pong game with four people and like you're
kind of rotating around in a circle it was pretty fun but i i cannot remember how to play it
nice how you played um uh saleship
play what saleship what's that i don't know that one i think okay i think you guys do the same
okay so you have like a table in the middle you have four operations on one side and four and an
x and you're starting from one to four and you're releasing so you'll have a pint and the first two
go and then the second two and a third two and a four and then whoever gets at the end first wins
you call it like uh still releasing down here with with pints yeah yeah so this was more like
a single ping pong table two people on each end and then once you hit the ball you have to run
around to the next to like to the next position like if you're on the say the far right you'd
have to run around to the to the opposite end and take that guy's place and then they would move to
the you know over one you know like everybody would rotate positions around the table after
every hit you know okay i've never played that before yeah and then somehow i think if you missed
the ball or you didn't make the play or whatever then you had a drink or something something like
that i can't remember the exact details but we could do drinks but maybe there's a like a virtual
or an nft version of doing the drink like maybe you get the or maybe you lose some cheer or so
i don't know but that's a that's a collection right there is is a collection of all the different
drinks that you can imagine yeah and it you know if you're a collector you know are you going to
get the tequila sunrise or the fuzzy navel you know or whatever god yeah do that steve before
someone else does that that right there you could fund the next uh chia drinking uh douse
black and tan i bet you know what black and tans are
encourage binge drinking the first nft collection to encourage alcoholism no but the drinks
i did the bloody marion i think i'd go for that i could drink that and it's uh iconic is it just
because it has the word bloody in it i i don't know actually maybe yeah um probably is it i mean
in the england that's would be almost like a curse word right like
oh yeah i guess i did not thought of that before bloody hell
yeah bloody blood red i don't know if it's like an actual curse but it's kind of used
usually in the right and bloody context yeah yeah we'll see we'll see it over here um
like it's a huge like so you drop a drink or something you believe like bloody hell
or you leave for somewhere you show up late bloody hell something like that
uh edward you definitely got to get an irish car one
oh i love that one is that the half a shot of whiskey half a shot of bayways
and you drop it into two thirds of a pint of kiddos and down it in one
exactly there you go that is your strength i love that gets you going i hope somebody's
taking notes and like uh well now we need photographs of all these drinks
steve you never had an irish car before
oh wait hold on you can only get the drink if you have
you can only get the nft if you have proof of drink
who's going to get the whiskey i suppose that's going to be in demand
well kentucky is bourbon country so
yeah what's that one that joe rogan always talks about i think that's a bourbon
i think it's from where you are
what's the famous one from there's a couple of main ones but kentucky
yeah buffalo something i don't know i don't look it up there's a bunch from kentucky
but so many that i don't even know them but i'm not a bourbon drinker either
so i know the the most basic ones
uh steve speaking of kentucky you go to kentucky derby
you know i've never been but it's it's in luval that's i was who was i talking to
was that you yesterday edward like it's luval's about two hour drive from here
yeah my buddies went last year i want i want to go this year they all you know they all dressed up
yeah i think it goes like the louder the outfit and the better
yeah they did they had a great time great food great atmosphere
yeah around that time of the year that's all you see on like um facebook or it for people around
here is all these photos of they went to derby and they're all dressed up and all the girls have
these weird hats on and all that kind of stuff yeah
buffalo trace does that ring a bell
uh that's it yeah yeah that's a that's a low choice
yeah i've never tried it joe rogan's always talking about it pretty sure it's that one
tequila that'll be popular too straight tequila yeah sorry steve i was just gonna ask if you
watch his podcast regularly like i i see clips sometimes and if there's a good person on
i'll load up spotify or whatever and watch it but uh i don't catch it too often anymore
i used to prefer on youtube i found it i just don't like spotify as an interface but i i try
and watch his well key episodes but yeah i don't watch everyone that's exactly the same for me
like i watched it a lot more when the full episodes were on youtube right what i like about
youtube yeah what i like about youtube is i pay for premiums so i don't i never see ads on youtube
so uh but on spotify yeah it's not the same yeah it's always that's to consider i guess
is he's got a lot more money but a lot smaller audience of people that were following him so
that's a big trade-off and something to be learned i guess in software uh in general
so spotify is just annoying but it does good long interviews i quite like i like that
long format medium in a sense he invented it in some respects but uh there were long interviews
before him but he kind of made it a thing and these spaces being part of it is like being part of a
uh podcast but it's more than that it's like a live conversation that becomes a podcast so
yeah i like his take on most stuff
i wonder when brahmin jean will go on there
sorry i was just trying to find a list of uh kentucky burbins because that i know it's
do you find that you don't listen to podcasts as much since spaces started did spaces change your
media habits i don't i don't do anything as much since chia started i mean that that's my
entertainment now honestly that's cool what percentage of the spaces and the tweets versus
the developing and the reading the news and i suppose doing the updates is it just split equally
you mean on my time you mean say your enjoyment of it that that makes you enjoy it so much
uh i mean um i guess all of it all the stuff that i participate in because
i wouldn't be doing it if i didn't enjoy it i guess um but i do like um to find it like
for whatever reason i got back into linux with chia and and started i was familiar with bash
but i never really wrote a lot of scripting in it but i do enjoy scripting in bash so i i like that
so that's why there's 20 plus little scripts out there that i've made over time
yeah i don't know yeah i like it all i like the spaces
uh to probably prefer more to listen in than necessarily talk i'm a little bit of an introvert
but uh well people love hearing you talk someone reached out the other day saying they want to
hear you more like they even though they it wasn't they didn't phrase it like that they said
we need to hear him more so they think that you've got a lot to say and uh that long space
eight and a half hours remembered it is six uh yeah i think that was kind of inspirational so
don't feel shy but uh by all means you know you don't feel pressured to
come up on stage or whatever as i hope you don't know one thing i'm um i'm still in the planning
stages on but that that i want and need to do is um for the chia advocates i said that i would
do like a demo of um well it was about the mint garden api originally but what it ended up being
is i'm going to take that xdnft.online website that i've made where like you can take a collection
nft collection from chia put in the collection id and get a return of all of the nfts that are in
that like list a list of nft ids and then from that you can get all the owner wallets so you can
take a collection and get a list of all the wallets that that um that own some of those nfts and
then for for that having that you could then like airdrop to them and stuff like that so it's that
whole site is kind of built around providing tools to creators to be able to manage their
collections i guess or or not manage but uh but to supplement their you know the tools for their
collection or whatever and um so anyway i'm i'm right now to like a plan like in the overview
to do like a record of video probably a screen sharing video not a like a camera on me kind of
video but this would that would demo the site and then go in and talk about some of the code
behind the site like um maybe show maybe show both versions in bash and versions in the sites
written in php and kind of and i'll publish all that code on github so that's available for
anybody and then but talk how talk through the interaction of that code with with aceville's
mitt garden api and you know some of the data that's available and how to do some of the
those basics and then there's a part three what was the part three i forget and if you can't
remember both of those points word for word you have to down a shot up urban
yeah so anyway i've been working on this plan and i think i'm dragging my feet because i'm
a little intimidated by trying to record myself although monkey zoo did point me in the right
direction for like some software to do that so i need to bite the bullet and make a at least a
trial run at it even if i delete that first attempt i can't remember why sorry i was gonna
say i can't remember why i told that story but uh yeah i remember and did you said figuring out
how to record yourself do you mean like video cameras or recording the screen um well this
software will do both i think but um i specifically meant recording the screen
i don't think that i like when you watch people on youtube that do like coding and stuff they'll put
a little image of themselves down in the corner on top of their screen share as well but i don't
think i need to go that far i just you know probably do the screen share no that's where you
top message goes or your top nft or the link to this weekend cheer i guess there's no need to
the youtube era was a different thing isn't it technical demonstration is
yeah more of a branding strategy in a sense
oh yeah i guess i mentioned that because that's uh people hear me more i guess and maybe maybe
if that's goes well i could record more different videos or something i don't know
i'll be looking out for the cheer music t-shirt popping up uh that's pretty cool though
uh i wear that t-shirt quite the blue version i wear that one quite a bit actually
i love the blue version i can't wait to get my store up it should be very soon i'm i've
dragged my feet on it but you know i've got my cheer music t-shirt here what legendary piece
did do you like the way it appears in the space aliens in different hidden places i try to get
it in there as much as i could really i'm gonna have to go back and look at more of the pieces
because i don't know if i had noticed that yeah there you go yeah i'm auctioning them daily but
i don't know the first what's the second class what's the what's the floor brace
uh one cheer and they're going up at the moment one per day every 24 hours and they're going in
chronological order uh so the starting price is one one xg8 so if no one else bids you want the
lowest price it it's one yeah i got one for one uh the day that the day later minions come out
i guess all the hype was on that and everybody was looking at that and i snuck in and got one for one
it's so weird the link between the two i mean if this isn't a simulation at this point
then i'm going to be surprised but we both had the the beanie hat as the
uh one of the number one wearables actually sunglasses are the number one but the like
the head wear that you wear was the beanie i thought that was really cool and then we both
did a big auction within like two days of each other for the first of the collection
space aliens sold for seven and a half i was fussed floored by that i couldn't believe it
it was like two i was like oh my god it's two it's it's three and then like i was it was like
one minute to go at one point it was one second to go and the price was like three point three
or something and i was out in a club or bar actually ready to go to a club and then it was
like it suddenly reset and it was like four point five five and it's so exciting then michael sold
for like 55 so my seven and a half was a kit so it's such a cool way to see an nft sell so
yeah i kind of like it yeah he's done really well with that auction uh aspect to mint garden
that's really good i got actually i should have mentioned this earlier i have an auction going on
right now no i did mention it didn't i for the character the the pfp i have as my that i'm using
at the moment nice what's the price uh um i haven't i think it was around three last time i looked
i cannot find that easily
i'm not i don't see it on the home page
you know let me pin it to the room why don't i do that
yeah it should be on the home page there
the crypto echo is bid on the i should put keep it quiet don't bid on the space alien
what number is it 15 because crypto echo is trying to get it don't broadcast it live
three and one mojo three exe and one mojo is the current beer nice
is that for the one the 101 yeah uh i don't know about one of one it's is for the number one
uh named the the recruiter yeah the one i'm using at the moment
that's cool i'll have to switch my pfp once somebody buys it i guess
i get i get stuck like once you're like verified or whatever you're paying for the blue checkmark
thing you can only change your pro your icon every few days because it takes them like two
or three days to approve your new image or whatever so i'm like you know i'm in limbo at
the moment i couldn't change it if i wanted to you're in tricky legal ground here what's the
license on the recruiter have fidgetil coming after you oh i think uh retain all copyright
like you you right you're only getting the license of it you don't own the copyright
but i see in that right i guess yeah it's 11 11 hours until 24 hours to go so i guess tomorrow
it'll be on the home page right i was wondering why it wasn't on the home page but i guess it's
only for the last 24 hours or so i don't yeah you know how i'm not sure how that works um
i wondered about that as well but i wanted to do it 48 hour auction so that
all around the world people would have a chance to see that there's an auction and and bid if
they wanted to yeah i think it's probably the fairest way of doing it i'm not really
it favors people with more money so it's nothing is truly fair but of all the release strategies
like it isn't easy to do it's harder than it seems it is a collection where i like
i don't know the percentage but uh 99 of the nft's uh airdrop for free so
it's the only it's the only one i'm selling so uh yeah the two 48 hours and two days or whatever to
you said like more expensive like i'm okay with that i think
three chair if you want number one recruit that's cool
see your options really it feels like it's the thing almost
like ace vales might be onto a real winner here likewise other auction sites or ideas would be
good too and it's different way too with the premium membership so like i'm not even really
having to pay for this one all right what's that is that like two a month
two yeah two a month for i mean you're you're
it's it's just like sort of like amazon prime it you know you get free shipping but you're
still having to pay 120 a year for amazon prime so you know what i mean like you're you're you're
buying the mint garden premium you know membership with the perks that come with it
and you know one of the perks is two auctions a month
interesting if there could be a point where auctions are not available on mint garden for
for just anyone like if there's lots of paying members and they're all doing two auctions a
month and it fills it up they might get priority i guess which is fair but uh so yeah i can't i
can't speak on that for sure but um that that does sound plausible i mean he's got to be able to
earn money to pay you know
like i can't imagine how many like resources and in servers and stuff that he's having to
use to keep that going yeah and also updating it every day and
moving this file there and put this here it's just mind maintaining that api the database like
he's got the entire blockchain in a you know a database of his own for the omen garden system
like it's i imagine it's quite large and he's got servers around the world so
wow how large do you think it'd be i don't know that that'd be a good question to ask him
he's got to have um i know he's got to have more than one right because he's got like one in
germany area where he is and i think there's a server in the us area as well in a data center
somewhere yeah i think uh i can see it now data layer auctions some of the early data layer apps
is going to be auction apps for nfts on chia i think that's inevitable maybe even monkey zoos
auction house i don't know how hard it is to set up but i could really see that being a thing
but then again i suppose if everyone has an auction site then you're not getting everyone
seeing your thing every day so it's because meat garden is like the place to go that it works but
it wouldn't work necessarily if someone else tried it straight away although it might but
i'm so i'm surprised we haven't enticed josh into the conversation on auctions really
oh my god he's sleeping yeah that's what i was about to say he might be yeah sleep at the wheel
an auction pioneer for people listening josh painter he had to come up with an idea for options
before well not only that but he actually worked for an auction house so like he has
legit experience working for an auction company yeah
i see you're on the mint card and home page one of the supporters
i'm trying to get the xghp.me setup that's what okay use for the printer here we go hey
here's uh finally come up with the right is it chia
sorry go ahead class i was gonna ask is chia faucet still available or no
chia faucet is that what you said yeah i mean chia runs a faucet that yeah that's what i'm talking
but i mean they it's restricted quite a bit where i don't know if you've already gotten
mojo's from it before you're probably not going to be able to get anymore
okay that just crossed my mind i think they have um some restrictions in place to make sure that
people don't um like set up scripts that just hit it and yeah take mojo's constantly
and i do the same sort of thing with the the test net faucet that i'm running but i don't
want to talk about the mechanics that i'd use to block them so i don't want to give anybody
although it's not uh anybody yeah anyway i don't want to talk about that part anymore
we need a virtual faucet we can all go and uh shovel mojo's in the metaverse
yes so i was going to read you a list of um kentucky barbons real quick
um it is a long list so if you've heard of these you know let me know wild turkey yes
buffalo trace that was the one yes evan williams yes four woods Elijah craig
bullet but i'm not sure how to pronounce that one b-u-l-l-e-i-t bullet jim bean old forster yes
woodford reserve heaven hill eagle rare knob creek yep yes duke kentucky boon
county yeah food county maker's mart weller woodford double uh that one just says bourbon
whiskey i don't i don't is that an actual brand will it and old fits gerald barton bluegrass
distillers bluegrass distillers yeah i think that's most of them both of the popular ones
that i've kind of recognized names of so we we have a little bit of bourbon around here
i think i knew less than 20 percent
i guess the best ones are local anyway right they're gonna not export the good stuff
oh there's people that pay crazy amounts for bottles of bourbon i got a bottle
that's from it's a custom labeled bottle from maker smart where they sold custom bottles and
and labels to the old job that i worked at this was a manufacturing factory
and they gave it away to the to management like a custom bottle with your name engraved on it
or not engraved sorry uh a custom label with your name on it and i got one and i still have it it's
practically full and it's i probably had it 15 years or something maybe more actually yeah
i guess uh saying that meaning i don't really drink perfect for that much
i fancy a glass right now i wish i had some
another figure out the difference between bourbon and whiskey
i guess it's a different thing that they start with
i probably should know that but i don't know that it might be based on
the barrels that they put on me i don't know for sure
it's a good teaser for the first drinks nft collection on cheer for sure
i'm not going to edit this video so you're going to hear a lot of yelling in the background
based on life i've always just copied or pasted
yeah i don't know what i'm doing but that's the that's the fun part of the vlog
i'm gonna figure it out it hopefully helps you guys too
so let's try it out i'm just gonna copy this
i'm gonna go to offers on my wallet i don't have enough money by the way
but i'll put it there and it says create an offer
yeah i'm sorry this video's gonna try it because i need to put some money in
so why don't you just do that now
so i'm going to send to my mid-grade wallet
and i pay point zero zero one
i got pretty confident it's gonna work so i'm not gonna watch it
oh so i gotta go to offers create an offer
qnft collection but i've never had to uh do this before
total amount for OT is 1.08
yeah i'm getting a lot of messages a lot of noise upstairs but i'm just gonna ignore them
um it's my first day off from work for a long while so
i really want to do this this is my time
so i don't know if i'm doing this right
so 1 gia 1.08 with royalties but fee this is whatever class they create the offer
i don't know if my 1.2 gia came in so i'm just gonna click on it
where would you like to share your offer mid-grade i guess
i love for 1 gia assets i received is this
i want to do this a few times but uh because of the time difference
when it expires in 10 hours i'm usually sleeping
because i had the balance it came in already
hey look at that i freeze it uh been out for 28 seconds ago
at night hours while i'm sleeping
i hope i win this one and then maybe i don't have to um ask for youtube subscribers
i can find i can do something cool with gia music space sequence
okay thanks guys sorry this was a uh crappy video
but uh this was my own time back at the time all week almost two weeks so
that's it thank you please subscribe and i'll see you the next time
that was awesome man brilliant stuff the crypto echo on youtube and on twitter so do subscribe
i need to uh reach out to him to for a donation address and add him into the weekly rotation for
for the like weekly highlight donation fantastic does he does he come in spaces i've never seen
him on stage before i don't know if i've ever seen him on stage before where he's in he's in
the room now or at least his account is but he's been he's been posting a lot of youtube videos the
last few weeks or yeah i've i've i watched one or two yeah yeah it's great great stuff
very visual eye as well it always looks nice
look at we're having a little uh pump going on for cheer right now
what's it back over 30 dollars 30.42
we went all the way down to 28.9 28.98
hurry up and say 500 come on holy shit somebody just sent it flying this now
someone just wicked it right up like literally in the last five seconds
there's someone listening into your class perhaps you've all i don't know
triggered the box that's like it literally snapped up
the hevenin is approaching yeah just wicked up and just came back down
there's rumors of rinse collections on cheer
i don't even talk about ace fails potential massive discovery if that's not a sign of
exponential change if this was seven months ago i think that would be the top story
but yeah just what do you guys know about that i mean my take on it was the ace fails hinting
that you can do a thousand nfts with one did spend i presume that means one transaction fee
could be wrong yeah that's exactly it yes secure the mint is what um who was that the
coin that slowest timelord i think coined that yeah was it a secure the bag which one was it
well so secure the bag is the the i guess the algorithm or whatever that jeremy reuben
came up with or whatever so yeah yeah yeah yeah i think that's what that's the technique that um
ace fail used to implement secure the mint where you could basically take that concept and
and get i guess a thousand nfts and one transaction
that blows out of the water yeah that change everything if that works this is
maybe the biggest news of the last 12 months in a way because especially with your wizard tool
everything is there set up for people to
do basically brilliant derivative collections is what i'm thinking and maybe not with chia
friends maybe with spacing maybe with something unless chia friends do it right but if the minting
is that expensive you can't do it so if the price of minting goes from seven chia for ten thousand
down to i mean what's the saving of it a thousand in one block is it is it a thousand in a block
yeah i think from 25 well how many a thousand in a transaction was how he worded it wasn't it
how many transactions are in a block oh really i didn't think of that wow so it could be even
more significant um yeah actually i'm not saying that that's actually true i'm just wondering
out loud remember exactly how he worded it yeah i should probably i should probably not say that
on the space recorded space if i don't know the actual right answer honestly
i'm trying to scroll back and see if i can find that that had massively reduced the cost of
collections and uh with the tool that you created that website that would be a great combination
maybe we don't know um he's the only one that has done it so he may charge for the
privilege you know at least until someone else cracks it interesting yeah i guess i need to stop
thinking that everything someone comes up with is just going to be available i think differently
to other people i guess but yeah you're right about that but hopefully someone else would be
able to crack it so here's this here's this tweet i just minted one thousand chia NFEs from a single
did spend using secure the bag this opens so many possibilities from hosted minting to
on-demand minting via offers on-demand minting via offers
then he followed that up with yeah so basically he could put an offer out there
and when you accept the offer then it mints someone else could oh my god someone else could
create the collection so you can make the collection for i don't know kevin cosner and all he has to do
is open it and it basically mints it from his address if that's what's that actually yeah you
could probably do that you could also um so the whole concept early day concept where people are
trying to figure out how to hide what the nft is until someone purchased it and then you know you
like you you reveal what the image is i mean that could be that could be what this is also if it's
not minted until you accept the offer you without having to do like uh an nft for nft swap you know
like buy a box and the box reveals you know you swap the box for an actual nft later you know what
i mean like it could be a like a delayed reveal kind of thing gotcha yeah i could see yes so yeah
he had a follow-up tweet that said you can even add a cert before to only allow on-demand minting
until a certain date so it can even be restricted by date so and you know for the next 30 days you
can mint on demand after 30 days i guess maybe not yeah i wonder if this idea of the fairest of
fair launches maybe you could maybe you could send the offer file for the nft that will mint
but you could send it to everyone who wants it but it's strictly the person who cryptographically
opens it at the exact straight first moment or gets the first fee through perhaps it'd just become
a fee war then but uh yeah so maybe you could create really fair token launches if it's in demand
with the time yeah i think that and it could even be like i'm sure it could even be incorporated
into his mint or sorry his um auction routine where you can auction up the next mint kind of thing
would be pretty cool you could just set a month or a year of auctions up
and just go traveling around the world done one offer file opened it
yeah that's it's a that was a pretty cool pretty cool tweet that he made today yeah wow you kind
of forget that things keep getting exponentially better and that's another example i mean a thousand
in one thing it's hard to even imagine i mean 25 is not bad it's just it's not a thousand or more
i could i can mint every single collection that i have in one transaction sorry i could
have minted each collection in one transaction i can't i'm not saying i could take them all and
mint them all at once but i've never had a collection over like every collection i've
had it's been less than 500 i think total hold on so there's a new feature that
will allow us to print multiple collections in one transaction
um i don't know about that that's nice
base that's a nice field question i would assume you would need to do that through mint garden
studio and he'd have to support multiple collections to mint in one transaction so i don't
i mean i'm sure he could do it but whether he's developed that into the mint garden studio or
whatever i don't have no idea i don't put it past him though i think if anybody could do it he probably
could he's building some really key tools at this point mint garden the the minting tool
the website the auction site xghpay.me which i'm still setting up and this would i almost be like
a fifth crucial thing and it'll probably make all of the above better as well so if you're
listening ace veil shout out you're doing the lord's work if there is such a thing as good
yeah i would agree with that he's doing very good
something's on fire down i think now there's a man with a brush trying to sort of sweep the
leaves that are on fire apart so that it doesn't go further i think he's put it out it's smoking
i can hear the birds chirping what time is it your time edward
it's almost exactly two p.m
it's six p.m in sydney and my wife has come home with ikea boxes
hope you got a screwdriver on that alan ranch
she really knows how to make my weekend unbelievable
so yeah maybe some maybe it's shelving so you can stack some more hard drives
got to keep you busy buddy
yeah she uh she already endured um mining a couple of years ago
we're at a computer in just about every corner of the house
guys i think i'm gonna call it it's two a.m here gonna hit the a
yeah i actually think i'm with you it's one a.m my time and i gotta work in
uh i gotta get up in six hours so
so okay awesome yeah let's end it then and thanks again for filling in for the data layer
space steve uh as always but uh yeah who would like to finish the with a closing thought this
week i'll throw it over to you guys i just like to say i have some pretty big news i can't break
it now probably not until the next 24 hours uh so yeah i'll be announcing that exciting for this
but that's it not even any kind of at all
it's daily it's daily are related that's all i can say there we go i like it yep