Hello. Welcome. We're back. It's week four. And we've got breaking news. Michael Taylor
will not be here this week. That's the breaking news. He is on parenthood duties. So if you
are here for the energetic tones of Michael Taylor, then he will not be here this week.
He's been traveling during the weekend. I think he has posted pictures of a server that
Dylan Rose has set up with him or for him. So he's been traveling and now he's looking
after the child. So there are a couple of data layer updates. And we've got a very special
guest up on the stage bright and early. It's 8 a.m. Eastern Standard Time. Perhaps even
a little bit earlier in Louisville, Kentucky right now. Steve Stepp, you're on stage. Thanks
for stepping in. How you doing, Steve? Good morning. Good morning. Doing good. I'm actually
a little further west than Louisville. So I'm in the central time zone. 7 a.m. 7. Oh, what
time is it in Louisville? They're Eastern. So it's 8 a.m. there. Oh, there you go. Same
as Michael. I'm about a two hour drive west of Louisville. Oh, wow. Wowie. Two hours from
the Derby by. Yeah. Well, thanks for stepping in, Steve. It was only a few hours ago when
I said that Michael can't make it. So you very kindly said that you would. So thanks
for making it. I hope you're not too tired or anything. Waking up early there. Extra
early. Nah, I got up early. Took a shower. Sound good. All good. Oh, well, welcome monkey
suit to the stage. How you doing? Hey, how's it going? How's it going, Steve? How's Edward?
Yeah, I've just literally rushed back from the gym. I don't even have a shower just to
come and join in with you guys. So, yeah, guys, well, breaking news, everyone. Michael
Taylor will not be here this week. He's looking after the child. He's said that so things
are happening in the data world. Perhaps I'll just read the main headlines and get your
guys take on it. The first thing he and this is a written message from Michael. So consider
this the main update of the week. He said right now I'm trying to mobilize the community,
get them prepared to run the DIG nodes when they are released soon and see if I can get
assistance with the various things to get them across the finish line. Also, Sprout
UI is coming along. We have some basic UI to manage data layer and it stores as well
as viewing the data in the browser. The rate we are going, it may be a few weeks away from
the first release. Finally, he said I've made progress on the white paper that I want to
release alongside of the DIG node which I think will make a lot of folks excited when
they understand how all this works. So that is the, Michael is mobilizing the community
and the data layer minions, I guess, embody that. So I don't know what you guys think
of that little news nugget there.
Yeah, I don't know if Steve is there. I think it's exciting times. He is sort of a one man
band at the minute and we are all trying to catch up with his thoughts, aren't we, as well.
It's difficult. It's difficult. But I think everybody can see the vision which is the
important thing. I've got my own visions for how data layer is going to really assist
what I'm doing as well. The intent from the guy is just crazy. The financial backing he
has put into it is incredible. It really is.
You kind of stole what I was going to say. I was about to say it's pretty exciting as
well. So we're on the same page, for sure.
He's been investing a lot into it. He really has. It's amazing. He's just visited Dylan.
I don't know if people saw the photos, but Dylan has helped him build a farming rig,
Yeah, like 16, 17 petabytes. What's that? How many 10 gigabyte hard drives is that?
Well, it's 17 times the size of what I have currently, which is 70 or 80 hard drives.
Could you say that one more time? It's about how many times bigger than 70 hard drives?
Wow. You can't even picture what that looks like.
I mean, I don't know. I mostly have fairly large drives, but I think I have somewhere
in the 70s on the number of drives. Actually, I should say that are plotted. Yeah, and I'm
at one petabyte, essentially. 17 times bigger than that.
Big rig, isn't it? Good for Dylan, I guess. That's a lot of plotting.
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't know what dollar cost that was. It must be. I mean,
how much is a petabyte of like hard drive now?
Yeah, now. Well, so I did buy a petabyte of hard drives in the middle of 23 that I still
have not plotted yet. I know. I know. And I think it was around in the nine thousand
So yeah, he's got to be put in close to seventy thousand dollars into that, isn't he? That's
I think he was into some other cryptocurrency before, and I suspected that he may be moving
dollars from other cryptocurrencies into Chia is what I suspect. But I haven't actually
talked to him about that.
Yeah, and I know he he he helps a lot behind the scenes with with other people as well.
I know he's he's certainly not shy about donating his XCH to to other projects as well, which
As I heard you were doing the other day, you were offering to step in for the the the J.D.
man. And you said the singer was Jay Lee. And then he was like, oh, yeah, hello, J.D.
here. He just happened to have the same name. That's crazy.
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I think there's a difference between me offering to cheer
and and yeah, what my cool issues are. But yeah, I mean, I mean, from from my point of
view, I was just looking at the stats. I mean, this is this is just, you know, just
talking about cheer in general. And the monkey zoo project now has nearly done almost three
thousand XCH in volume across all the across all our sort of different characters and collections.
And, you know, every single XCH that I've personally made from the project has gone
back in and has essentially been used to hire, you know, Clyde and Greg and get them
up going. And yeah, you know, and I think that's the way this early stage of any any
blockchain, any project has to go, doesn't it? You've got to be reinvesting, you know,
I think, you know, from a business point of view, for, you know, for the first five years,
you want to be putting everything back into the business. Simple as that. You know, and
I think that's a bit alien when it comes to crypto and Web 3 and NFT projects. So
but yeah, but but like I said, looking at it, nearly three thousand XCH volumes
gone through the through the monkey zoo project so far. It's crazy, isn't it?
Yeah, three thousand three thousand. What's that in dollars?
I think it's almost well, obviously, it fluctuates, doesn't it, the price and what have you. So
I think today's price, it's almost one hundred K. Something like that, I think. So yeah.
Tim's been sending that to not just developers. I like he's I've got a chunk of that with the
oh, yes, that's very true. Yeah, very true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yourself. And I forget his name right
now, but the other guy who created the banana staff. Yeah. And we've got another one in the
pipeline when it comes to the oddments with with the Tang Gang. They've made a little bundle of
I think it's four or five different NFTs, little oddments that you can do as well. So
yeah, I think that's a really cool way to to bring people in and give back a bit as well. So
yeah, good stuff. Yeah, I think I think that every tree that's
like where value is shared and spread and Steve does it with this week in all of these
cheer that are shared early redirected, I think will like many times create many times more value
than just what they're worth today because of the sort of multiplying factor. Did someone say
Chuck? Well, I was going to say who's next, Mr. Chunk. I'm just trolling someone at the moment.
Somebody called super wire. And I put my name is super chunky. She got all upset saying that,
you know, I was nothing because of the name. So I just put my name into subscript.
And now it looks like super wide, but hunky is in there too.
What time is it for you? Chunk must be like middle of the night. Get ready for bed. Yeah,
mate. It's midnight. Try not to wake anyone up, but I just thought I'd come and say hello.
Good stuff. Good stuff. I know you joined my spaces when it's early. So I
thought I'd give you guys the return favor.
Yeah, I guess I guess you're at fucking 2am.
Have you been doing anything with you've been doing anything with data layer, Chunk?
Uh, how about I tell them a bit more, Ed? What do you reckon? Well, yeah, please do.
I'll tell you a bit more. I won't do too much. Remind people that you created the Trunks on
data layer first. I think people forget that, but yeah, sorry. There you go, Trunk.
Nah, whatever. That sounds like a yes. That's too old news. Um, I am helping Ed with cheer
music and I'm trying to get a music player to play on data layer, to play tracks from data layer.
I mean, I've got it. I've got it away there, but I want to make something that's actually usable
by everybody. Um, Drak has been talking about getting, uh, like a little data layer repository
for, for code that works for everybody, like a player. But I'm, uh, starting off by helping Ed.
I think he needs, uh, he needs some community help. The man's been helping everyone. So
he, uh, he needs a hand. So I've been working with a project on Bitcoin,
just helping them out with bits and pieces with audio. And I'm, uh, looking to use the skills I've,
I've got there and try and help Ed with a music player for cheer music that can be used on
Midgard and all that stuff. And the tracks themselves, hopefully our data layer.
And, uh, yeah, well, I've also been working on some music stuff as well. So maybe I'll release a track.
Yeah, please do. Yeah. It's fantastic. I appreciate everything you're doing. And
yeah, that cheer music player, it is going to be crucial. And so thinking that we're at the point
now when you can think of a music player on the data, the data, you keep, you've confused me,
the data layer, the data layer. However you say it, I don't think you're the only person
I know who calls it data layer, but I think that sounds even nicer, but I can't, tomato, tomato,
doesn't matter, but, uh, I am my own person. Indeed. The data layer, uh, it's, yeah,
it's super cool that you've reached out and, uh, yeah, pioneering the app development, I guess.
Uh, yeah, I could like track says he's playing around with code, see what sticks,
putting some boxes together. Steve does the same thing. He uses AI, gets there quicker.
If you Steve, I love you. Um, but yeah.
Yeah. Uh, what was I going to say? Yeah. So what do you see the apps on data layer? You mentioned
a repository. Will it work completely differently to the get hub era or will it be a similar
Brushing teeth on data layer. I kind of, I don't, I kind of picture
the cheer music player as being something where maybe a developer could create almost like a
plugin. And, but I don't know where the actual application is stored. Is it stored on the data
layer? And then to open that app, you just sort of, it's basically just a link and it opens within
a window. I mean, I'm guessing it'll be that simple. There won't be more than for nerds out there.
I've, uh, paused my brushing to let the, uh, the plaque know that they are going to die soon.
Um, just pausing the brushing. The nerd description is more like,
it'll be a single page application with JavaScript taken with, um, JS libraries that are open source,
which are put on data layer, data layer, and then linked, uh, via HTML page.
You can then host that on, on data layer and what you'll pass to the application are things
like how you skin the player, how you, and what tracks are played. So that may even be taken up
by the, uh, by the different, let's call them NFT viewers and mark places like big guidance based
scan. So then we only need to put, uh, skins, uh, track images and data layer links to music
in our cheap 15 NFT information for it to be shown natively. And if not, the NFT can be grabbed and
shown in one of these players. So a couple of things in the fire at the same time, but
the easiest one is music player on, on data layer and then link it as web content
as part of cheap 15. Thank you monkey zoom. And then continuing to, to use that, the fact that they
show, uh, JavaScript and, and, or HTML data as part of, uh, meet garden and space can to, to extend
the experience wicked man thought of doing skins and, uh, when I'm style skins and plugins and
things like that is, I feel like there was so much magic with that windows or all the modern players
just Spotify sends a shiver down. I might find thinking of it, but the simplicity of the win
ampera, I always thought that was just coding brilliant. So yeah, it's cool that the, I agree.
And I think the real thing that that was really pioneering is that it really whips the llama's
hands. We need a chunk style soundbite. Perhaps you could have that as your song that you're,
you're rumored before that the, uh, the new really whips the chunks us
and make sure I'll make sure I say data layer.
It's the, it's funny that we all get that reference. Like we're all old enough to understand.
It's such an obscure sound really old enough to have to like,
it really whips the llama's ass. Yeah. And then there's a gap and it like, it's, there's a bit of
echo. And then there's that, I, um, look at it when I offend anyone. But if you haven't,
if you haven't gone to a frenzy house and had to zip up an MP3 into three 1.4 4 megabyte floppy disks,
then I'm sorry, just to get just a pirate one song you need to buy three floppy disks.
Ah, those are the days, the days before BitTorrent.
And what an era that was when BitTorrent came out.
Hold on. Yeah. I remember BitTorrent coming out and then people,
people coming and looking at my PC doing all this weird stuff.
Thinking I was some sort of genius. Yeah. Crazy. But I was on Napster and MIRC downloading stuff.
MIRC like a chat client. That's what it is at the moment. People using a chat client to download
Okay. So what have you been doing, Steve? What have you been doing on the, on the,
on the data layer stuff? I know you're, you're quite into it as well.
Oh yeah. I've been doing quite a bit. I think I have 21 sites or, or stores, I should say,
on data layer now. I think I am both the guinea pig in the edge case for Michael.
Um, and the pain point of a lot of his frustration.
Uh, but yeah. Yeah. I'm, I'm trying to push the limits. I guess I'm succeeding. He,
just last night I minted a new collection called the recruits that is sort of based on, um,
his day later minions, but, um, had a lot of problems getting, getting it onto data layer with, um,
what I ended up having to, to use a different computer, a different like Chia node, like
different wallet, like everything different. And then I had to reconfigure my firewall to, uh,
to point to this other computer for day layer. And like, it was, it was a problem to get it to
mirror up, but it's finally there. And you know, all the images are on day layer. So, um, yeah.
So anyway, that was just because I was running into some edge cases. Uh, um, so anyway, yeah,
it's getting better. I also have, um, I still need to finish that, but also have like, um,
like galleries websites for each collection that I, that I put up there where I have a script that
I run and it basically just create, I think you and I started this talk about this. I don't,
I don't know if we've talked since I actually completed this script, but I'm a starter. You're
the finisher. You gave me the idea. I think at least planted the seed. A little proof of concept
with a dialogue boxes and HTML using offer files remotely within a repository.
That's not quite as advanced to have offer files, but it does
like build a, essentially like a, a gallery view of your NFT collection. Yeah. Mine was,
one was meant to be sitting in data layer. So have a look at code that I flicked you and
see that it actually grabs offer files from the drive and puts it into a little copy box.
So you can just update the office within your, sorry, Dixie, not sorry. Um,
you can just add offer files into your own repository. I just did it for like artists
that want to have their own interface. Like you don't want to be on a, on a mint garden,
not no offense to me in garden, right? But the, the interface is the same for everyone.
If you want a fully curated experience where you can play with HTML, have everything different
right start, you can start with this, you know, if you know a bit of HTML, you can put some
backgrounds and shit on it or give it to someone and say this bit of code grabs offers from the
drive shows it this way. I use it to start to do it. So any other dev could grab it and
build you something cool, but better than trying to explain to them how it all works.
Bit of starter code. Yeah. So actually it sounds like that would be to merge our two together
might be interesting because mine is, it is running on data layer. So it creates like an
index dot HTML file, you know, basic webpage on data layer fed with the images and the,
and the content is from data layer. Yeah. And it does use some Ajax to pull some additional
information from the admit garden API, because he stores a lot of more information in there,
like, like the owner wallets and, you know, different, just different things like that,
that I'm pointing to host, to host the metadata trace on images from the directory plus
offer files. And then as well as a very small NFT gallery HTML page that you can point people to.
So it's getting it from the same place that your clients getting the images and metadata from,
so you can then build it up. I haven't done the metadata bit, did the offer bit and the image bit.
Yeah, that's good. I've used the DEXI API. So like getting the offers would probably not be,
not be too hard, really. Yeah, but these are offers that people can't have
that are on their platforms that aren't everywhere. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah. So you can
mint your offers, save them all its files, not upload them to another marketplace and then,
and then serve them up yourself. So from, from the data layer, I should say. Yeah,
of course. But it's all about doing it locally and then having it through the internet for you.
Yeah, that's, that's cool. I'll go look at that code.
Did I ever send you my little image with the kind of proof of concept on it?
Sorry, I've been really quiet because I'm like in the bedroom as well. They're all freaking sleeping.
Oh, I wish they turned into a bit of a sexy space with chunks.
I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry guys. I've been told before I have a sexy voice and people don't want
to talk to me when I'm like this. So I must beat you with you.
I have some of your, I tell you what I've noticed today, Steve, I have a new wallet ID,
NFT wallet ID in my wallet with some, some recruits in there.
Yeah. I have, I have some recruiting.
Yeah. So I guess what I've determined is when you meant into someone else's wallet,
it does that it creates a different wallet ID. I don't, I don't actually know if I like that.
But no, I don't know. I'll tell you what as well. I had somebody minted something to my wallet.
Blimey, to the, I can't remember which one it was, to a certain, to actual DID. It might have been
the monkey zoo DID. And it came up as like they, that I created them even though they were minted
to my wallet. I'll have to. Yeah, I bet that was Cass. If you ever did any of those peacocks,
because that same sort of thing happened to me where it actually, it's even on my mint garden
profile. It looks like I created four of them myself. And I, I just haven't tracked down
which specific ones they are and burnt on, but yeah. Yeah, that's the one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I think what I determined with this test last night was there, this meant last night is
I don't like doing it that way. I probably, so it's nice that I think it saves having to pay
fees on all of them one time, because I'm not paying a fee to mint and paying a fee to airdrop.
Right. At least it seems that way. But I think I would rather just pay the fee to airdrop,
because I also had no opportunity to resolve and burn any of them that were wrong.
And I noticed this morning, there are some that are wrong. So that's disappointing.
Yeah. There was a couple of them, I think there was two total that actually have multiple
robots within the image. And they were supposed to have, their name was supposed to reflect that
and show a name that has two like robot names in it. And the names somehow got messed up. And so
there's, there's ones that it's a single robot, but it's like the name and description
are written as if there's two in it. And I have no idea who ends up with these. So I have no
way to say like, you know, if you send it back, I'll fix it. And not only that, but it would take,
it would take four people total to be willing to do that, to get it corrected.
Super rads, it sounds like.
Yeah, I think I've got, I think you well, I've got seven of them. I don't know how many you made.
There's 67 total, 66 of them went right into owner wallets like yours. I didn't, I did see that you
I did see that you had six or seven. I was, once you finally got them into a did, I could recognize
them. But yeah, and then there was, there's one other one, which is the basis for the collection
icon. Recruit number, well, recruits, number one, but he's actually his faction is different from
everybody else's he's known as the recruiter, but that's his faction. And I'm going to put that one
up, work with Aceville to do an auction for it. I think it's the only one.
You just broke up there. I heard as far as it was the only one that
it's the only the recruits one recruiter one is the only one that sends only to my
royalty address. Like every, all the other 66 all share the royalty between the owner,
me and the daylayer minions donation wallet.
That's pretty well, blink, you'll miss it. I missed out. It happens so quickly. I don't too
much is going on. So the recruits are, how would you describe like a select team is it like that?
Well, so the original thought was I was just kind of making up and I did get,
did get an okay from Michael to, to, to do this. Like I started naming factions within like based
on attributes of day to later minions. And the first one I came up with just because I like
the look of it was, was BLS, which is like the bug helmet, laser eyes and a sniper scope.
And I was like those because when I convert one of them to like, say a solid black silhouette,
it looks pretty cool. And that was like the start of it. I was like, Oh, this is cool.
I should create a couple of factions, you know, like subgroups within the larger 10,000
collection and just kind of refer to them by name. And at that point, I didn't have didn't
wasn't even using the word faction, but I picked that up from a video game. And I think that
is fitting. And yeah, so anyway, then after I started doing that, I messaged him like,
Hey, what do you think about if I make a collection? You know, anyway, so yeah,
so that's what happened, like people who were owners of minions that are in those factions are
where airdrop the recruits into. So it's like those factions are recruiting more
minions for the army, data layer army. And I may do more factions, I just started with two.
You blink and you miss it, Ed, that's what it is.
Yeah, exponential change 10,000 collection is out. And then all of a sudden, another collection
that linked to it. So the data layer army is definitely forming or has formed already, I guess,
the key members and whatnot. So yeah, I think Michael auctioned the rest of the gold ones off.
Was it a few days ago, two or three days ago? I think they all sold pretty quickly.
Yeah, very quickly. I missed out on that.
Yeah, because he he that somebody was it yourself who burnt a load and then he's he's remitted them.
No, it wasn't me. It was the yellow beanie. Like there's there's a new faction.
Self created faction is not me called like yellow beanies or something like that. And they
they burned a bunch of the orange beanies, like 17 or 18 of them. Yeah.
Yeah, because I'm looking at them now. They they they instantly he's remitted them and they've
instantly become sort of the, you know, the pinnacle of the collection above the gold ones
now as well. They look they do look really cool. Yeah, I mean, he did remit them, but but they are
different as well. Like they have angel wings and a halo and stuff now. Yeah, you know, they do
look cool. I missed out on them. I definitely missed out on them.
Then I could see some of them up for sale, though. There's certainly people that are
willing to put them up. I see you've grabbed one there, Steve.
Yeah, I grabbed the very first one I saw.
And actually, I ended up he did a swap on all of them, too, where I think some some of them
metadata or something may have been messed up. And so he he remitted even again and created
one for one offer files to swap swap out the incorrect ones with the good ones.
I think everybody did that who had one. So which is pretty cool. So that's a that's a pretty neat
way to maybe I should maybe I should do that for these recruits is create
for offers. And yeah, I can do that. Yeah, I might do that, actually.
I don't know. Do you understand what I was saying? I went off on a side track in my mind as I was
talking. What's that got to do with the price of chicken? Yeah. So anyway, I think I can use that
same concept to fix fix my error for the for the recruits. Yeah.
I thought it was interesting that the beanie the beanie hat kind of appeared in two collections
because it's one of the key space aliens wearables. There's like a Time Lord beanie. And then I saw
that the data minions are beanies as well. So I thought that was really cool. Synchronicity was
not really a lot of hats that bear an emblem that well. So beanies sort of I could see them
becoming like a big wearable in in NFTs. What else goes on the head? Earrings sort of maybe.
Not sure. Beanies are just one of the things I want to do next next also next winter really
is produce an oddment that some sort of beanie ready for the winter that that you'll get with
a physical purchase. You know, you get your physical purchase and you'll get your your sort
of oddment one that you can put on your your monkey zoo characters as well. So that's that's
part of the plan for next year as well. But yeah, that's I think that's I think that's the way
things are going to head, isn't it? You know, you want to you want to address your your digital
presence up the way that you dress yourself. So very cool. Yeah, hopefully trade bean is getting
a day-to-day a minion to wear a monkey zoo beanie. That could be a big exchange of value. I don't
know how far away we are from that. But well, funnily enough, I I talked to Michael briefly
yesterday about, you know, the way I could see things is potentially when we're at the stage
when the monkey zoo projects at the stage where we've created smart coins that can, you know,
protect IP and also enable some sort of fee to go in and out of different metaverses or ecosystems
that the data layer, you know, the data layer minions can almost be like a little a little
robot that flies along with your monkey suit character that can potentially then, you know,
battle other data layer minions when you meet in this sort of virtual world. That's the that's
the thing because then you can it almost proves out this concept that you can have different IP
coming into to sort of the same game as such that can that can utilize it. But also, you know,
you protect that IP and you can reward, you know, the original IP, the IP of the game it's going to
and also the holders. So yeah, it's about splitting those those sort of fees. It's not not royalties
as such because you're not selling it, but it's almost like an additional fee to be able to use
these things in different ways. And it doesn't have to be a lot, does it? You know, you don't
have to charge a great deal for it. But, you know, that's that's something to to ponder on
the way that we do that. Hopefully, by the end of the year, we'll have some sort of
basic solution in for that as well. Yeah, you think data layer would be the place to do that
the apps or places whether the minions or the monkey zoo characters or the battle caps go to
me and battle. I mean, yeah, exactly. Exactly. You know, the way I see data layer being utilized for
this sort of thing is that, you know, a game like say monkey zoo, for instance, has a game,
you know, a centralized sort of database that is cryptographically proven to be correct
via the Chia blockchain that, you know, you can then the coin itself will be allowed in and out
of these ecosystems. You've got to link that data layer to to the coin or to the NFT itself.
But yeah, it's doable. I certainly see data layer as being key for that, whether whether it's going
to be and I very much doubt that in the future, all the stuff that I talk about and that, you know,
the things that I'm working on will be on the main chain. I very much doubt it'll be too expensive,
but I suspect they'll be dedicated L2s to to be able to do that and feedback, you know, so,
you know, you're utilizing enterprise wallets and, you know, L2s to do all this sort of quick,
cheap transactions rather than, you know, the main transactions all happening on the Chia blockchain
because they'll get expensive really fast. So but yeah, essentially, you're looking at a database
that that is proven to be correct. So, you know, if your character goes into one game and purchases
a new hat, it updates the data layer to say that you now own this new hat. And then when you go into
the next game, you know, it's now it's now proven cryptographically that that hat belongs to this
person or this character. So that's the way I see things going. It'll be, you know, quite a large
database that that essentially lets everybody know all the games involved, all the metaverse
sort of various platforms involved know that 100 percent that this this item belongs to this
person or this this character or this NFT. So, yeah, exciting stuff. Yeah, do you think it'll be
like a data layer table like an Excel spreadsheet that just gets updated? Almost, almost. I mean,
if you if you were to look behind the scenes of how the we distribute the monkey zoo token,
for instance, you know, we have to track the NFT from wallet to wallet if it moves.
You know, and essentially, that's on a giant database that, you know, and there is there is
centralized aspects to that, but we can make it more and more decentralized as we go. But yeah,
essentially, you're looking at a giant database, you know, that that that almost links the person
to the wallet to the NFT. And that just updates that, you know, all the time. That's essentially
how that's essentially how the monkey zoo, you know, the tokens are gifted at the minute.
That's going to be updated soon. But behind the scenes, that is always going to be the case.
There's always going to be this sort of giant database, which is pretty huge when you're
looking at thousands and thousands of NFTs, because when it comes to gaming, for instance,
you know, you're not going to get anywhere, you're not going to be able to create a gaming
environment with, say, 10,000 pieces, 10,000 characters. To be successful, you need hundreds
and hundreds of thousands of different NFTs to be able to do different things. And that's,
you know, that's a big challenge. That's a huge challenge. You know, all these these sort of
10,000 piece collections aren't ever really going to cut it, you need to need to be able to,
you know, increase that demand as the demand for the games and things grow. So, you know,
just to look at, say, Call of Duty, for instance, you know, there's there's millions,
millions of players all having different characters dressed differently with different items on
different rifles and different, you know, and to keep up with that from a Web 3 point of view,
in its current form, it's just impossible. It's not possible. You have to have some form of
sort of fast centralized database behind that. But where the Web 3 comes in, or the way I see it,
is that that you're you're actually giving the ownership of these assets to the person.
And you're also, you know, you're making all these items and all these assets, whether it's a rifle
or a skin for a character, more programmable, basically, you know, whether it's behind the
scenes or up front. But yeah, that's the way I see things going. And that's that's what we're
working on sort of long term. I wonder if you could import metadata traits into a data layer
environment so that I don't know the the battle cats. I don't know if they've got weapons. I
can't quite remember. But I wonder if metadata could be the thing. And you could only import
each NFT metadata once, perhaps. And what I always think, I don't know if you remember this monkey. So
I guess the our American friends, Canadians, I don't know if you had this, but we we had a game
in England called Conkers. And it was, I think one of the best games I've ever played. He picked up,
I don't know if they're even called Conkers in America. But like those things that fell off the
tree that were sort of like, well, I don't even know how to describe it if you don't know what a
conquer is. But like, not just not doing something like that. So like a hard chestnut. Yeah. Yeah.
And then for once a year, and you put it on a string, and you'd battle each other's conquers,
and each conquer you beat had a number. So if you beat two conquers, it was like it was a tour,
they would call it. And obviously, it was all word of mouth, which blockchain would fix. But
if you beat a tenor, yours became a tenor plus. So it's like all the scouts and different conquers
you beat with it, because you'd have to like smack it, like you take it in terms to smack the other
conquer, which was on a string. And if you knocked it, destroyed it, basically, you got the victory.
So that always stuck in my mind, because of the continuity of the there was always a value
in each conquer that was destroyed. It's sort of a lineage. So I don't know if that idea could work.
And there was there was always ways to cheat that people would soak them in again, then put them in
the oven. Yeah, blockchain fixes that all be on chain conquers on chain. Yes, I think you've
created an idea there, you know. Yeah, I have never, never heard of that before.
Yeah, I think they call them horse chestnuts, don't they? And maybe in the US, but they're,
or I don't even know if they have them, to be honest, but yeah, you'd pick them up,
put a drill a hole through them, put a string for it, and then you'd sort of like have a string. So
somebody would take it in turns to whack your conquer. And if you missed it, the other guy would
then have a chance of whacking your one. Great stuff. So what do you like hold your arm up holding
your conquer on a string and let them swing at it or something? Oh, wow. That seems like there could
be a lot of accidents, especially with kids. I think nowadays, it's probably frowned upon in
the world of health and safety. Yeah, you'd whack someone's concrete a ping off into their face.
The youth. Those are the days.
Has anyone tried moving NFTs into DIDs recently? I'm having real problems at the minute with locking
up transactions. I have. It's been painful. I ended up finally getting a few in that I wanted
with like a pretty large fee. Well, I've been doing batches of 25 at 0.01. And they some of them
go through some of them just won't go through and to, you know, it's just such a pain really is
because what I decided to do was to move my entire NFT collection from one wallet to another wallet
and then create a new DID and it's taken me days to do it. Yeah.
I end up with, I think it was Mint Garden. Like when you use a Mint Garden, they all end up in
your unassigned wallet. Like not, I don't know if they are associated with your DID still, but for
whatever reason, like when I look at them in the Chiyogui, they show up under unassigned and I got to
move them. I have not moved on that whole Mega Ultra's collection. And so I have hundreds of
these things in my unassigned wallet, which I usually like to keep fairly empty so I can see
new stuff coming in. But yeah, it's probably not a good. And I've tried to move them and now they're
like stuck in an update pending status, even when I close and delete unconfirmed transactions and
all that kind of stuff. They're like, they're stuck. I guess I need to go to each single
individual NFT and like cancel pending transaction, which is a pain. Yeah, I gave up on that. I've
just, it's quicker to actually re-sync the wallet, to be honest. For me, I want to say I have done
that and it lived, that doesn't make sense, but it seems like it lived through that, but maybe not.
Maybe I haven't done that in longer than I was thinking.
Yeah, there's definitely improvements to the wallet coming as well. I know. Did you see
Slowest Time Lord's recent little sort of mini interview with Gene, the written version,
was quite good. Yeah, I did. That was great. We need more text content like that, I feel like.
Yeah, definitely. It was interesting. It was good. I think there's definitely space for
more structured Gene spaces as well. I know they do an AMA every now and again,
but it would be good from a community point of view to get Gene on, say, once a month or once
every couple of months to address some of the points that come from the community. Because
we all know the wallet is problematic at the moment and it's nowhere near as problematic
as what it was, say, six months to a year ago, but they're still pain points, isn't there?
Yeah. I suspect that was like an email-type interview. You know what I mean? You can send
him the questions. He has a chance to think about how to phrase the responses. You get a better
response from those kind of interviews, I feel like. You may not get as much alpha,
but you maybe get a fuller answer. Yeah, definitely. I still think,
from the bigger picture when it comes to the Chia Inc. and the Chia creators and the Chia
blockchain, I think there's still a dwarf between the community side of things where we all sit
and the Chia Inc. side of things, which are understandably concentrating on the bigger
picture and IPO and the World Bank, et cetera, et cetera. But it would be good if there was maybe
more interaction somehow within the community. And I think they did have that for a time with
people like Seth and the guys that unfortunately got laid off. So, yeah, we kind of fend for
ourselves a little bit. I mean, how do you feel about that, Edward? Yeah. To be honest,
I'd love to speak to Jean about it and just give a few thoughts, I guess. But it seems that their
tactic is they think that you've got to have real world adoption to get the regular person
interested in a sense. And I fully get the psychology, but I just feel like the world's
changed in the last few years and people are a lot less trusting of big corporations, at least
I am. I think other people are. So I almost think that there's this great organic community on Chia
that I could believe this group of idealists and visionaries, if working together and there's just
a little bit of money to get things moving quicker, I think it could far eclipse the
go through the World Bank tactic for getting adoption. I think people want to hear the
revolution in spaces and that I think that's what I would that's my inclination. But I'm
not saying that CNI's tactic is wrong, but I just I think there's a room for both, like both tactics.
Yeah, so I would agree with that. That both are probably doable, but I do feel like they
do they went the enterprise route because that's they they're trying to sustain a business, you
know, like, I don't know how much dollars they would be able to extract out of the
what do we call them, like the retail side currently to afford, you know, 70 programmers
or 50 now or however many it is. And yeah, I mean, I feel like that's why they went the enterprise
route was to to build a sustainable business that allows them the time to develop the new
primitives on the blockchain and all that good stuff.
Yeah, definitely, definitely, you know, and they are right. I think you've got to have that working
product. And, you know, I would argue that we're still not really quite there yet. You know,
people people coming coming across from Ethereum, or other blockchains that use the cheer wallet,
and you've got you've got the the sort of understanding of how UTXO works or coin set
as the case for cheer. So you've got that sort of barrier. And then when you when you have sort of
slight problems in that, where things like, you know, some of the things that Jean addressed,
actually, they were day in slowest time Lords, sort of interview, the other pain points that come
with the cheer wallet, it does push people away. And in this day and age, you only have a limited
concentration or a, you know, gaining people's concentration for a limited amount of time when
they can do things on ETH. And they've been doing it for the last sort of three or four years.
And it just happens. And they come over a cheer. And then they've got to wait for things to happen.
They've got to wait for confirmations, they've got to, you know, fight with the cheer wallet,
sometimes it kind of puts people away. So, you know, we are still very, very early in the
development of of of what's going on. But yeah, I think I think you're right, Edward, I think it's
less I think it's less about people. Maybe we're wary of big corporations and things like that.
I think it's just more of a case that there's there's more development needed. There really
is more development needed. And and do you know, is it the responsibility of cheer to
sort of pander to the community as well? I don't know. I don't think you can have one without the
other. I don't think there's, you know, real world adoption of what cheer offers without either
without the community side that we're doing with some of the fun stuff. And obviously those real
world use cases with the carbon market and World Bank, etc. So it's tricky. I think I think they're
doing OK. I think they're doing OK. It's going to be an interesting sort of couple of years as we
sort of progress through the through the bull run as such. So I'll be interested to see how it's
going to going to pan out there. I mean, what's people's thoughts on the halving? You know, we're
only not far away from the halving at all, the first halving. Do you think we're going to see
a price increase almost straight away or do you think it's going to be six months afterwards?
That's a good question. I don't know if I have a good feel. I do feel like it will go up,
but how quickly? I hope that it goes up quickly, but I suspected it will be more gradual.
Yeah, I suspect so as well. I think, you know, even with the Bitcoin halvings, they don't
usually take six months or so before it really makes a difference with Bitcoin. So
yeah, be interesting to see. Be interesting to see. I guess, you know, when the rewards are halved,
it's going to be interesting to see from from a, you know, the network point of view, whether that
I get, you know, the size of people's farms are going to increase, decrease, you know, the price
has to dictate somewhere along the road, doesn't it? You know, if you're only getting half the
half the rewards coming in, there's going to be a time point where people say, well, hang on a
minute. Either I'm either all in or I'm going to half the size of my farm or something like that.
So I don't know. Yeah, that's why I got to get these hard drives plotted. My goal was the end
of the year, which I missed, obviously. And now my new goal was the halving. It's got to be done
before the halving. You better get on with it then, Steve. I know, I know. It's going to take
a month to plot it off. So yeah, my window is getting very narrow. I've recently I've had all
not OG plots, but NFT plots from from the start pretty much 500 odd terabytes, nearly 600
terabytes. And I've only recently just started, you know, compressing them. So so I'm going to
get to the halving. And it's going to be another decision to make. It's going to take me to the
halving to get around. I'm not I'm not going out of my way to, you know, to to replot and compress
these plots. And I'm only compressing them to to see fours. So I think that's all right. Yeah. So
that's what, AE2 gig or something. So what's your thought process on that? Because I also am not
going to go crazy big when I plot compressed. But I'm not sure if I was going to go four.
I was thinking more like seven. Yeah, I looked at them all. And and the the gap between, say,
four, there was there was sort of a jump from what I could see. Unless you're going something
like C20, and you're you're completely halving the size of them to like 50 odd gig. I didn't
see much point, you know, for for for what I'm running. I think if you're running petabytes and
petabytes, it's worth it's worth compressing as much as possible. But for the 500 terabytes,
I think I worked out that if I can, if I can press down to like C7 or something, I would get like
another 50 plots, maybe, maybe even less than that. So I worked out for me the best the best
sort of middle ground was there. And I think when you look at the actual size of the plot files,
there's a there's a there's a good jump down from sort of obviously hundred and was it 102 gig for
for just a standard plot down to 82 for C4. And then I think there wasn't a great deal,
something like 79 for the next one down then 76. And I thought, well, this looks like diminishing
returns. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I'd imagine if you've got like, you know, a few petabyte,
then it's worth getting everything you can out. Hence why we're looking at no SSD. And they're
sort of super compressed plots, you know, taking over at the minute. Yeah. Yeah,
certainly won't be going that route. Yeah. Hey, Edward, I wanted to mention I put a pinned post
at the top for last night, I created a data layer channel on my discord. And there's a bunch of the
devs have kind of congregated, I guess, and they're talking about development. So I pinned
that at the top, if anybody was interested in in in joining that. That's cool. Can anyone join it
with a link up there? Well, so the link up there takes takes you to my discord channel. But I think
there was a prior post to that tweet from Michael Taylor that goes directly. Sorry, I said channel
to my discord server. And then the one from Michael was for the specific channel, but you
can't get to the channel if you're not in the server itself. So you kind of got to go to the
one that I had first and then you be able to find it. At least that's my understanding. I'm not a
discord export. Yeah, who is? Who are some of the developers that are in there at the moment?
Oh, Michael Taylor, for sure. Jokratis is in there now. Clyde, rigidity.
D. Cackman, Don Cackman. Gambon just joined. Coding is art. So there's quite a few.
The dream team. Creme de la creme, as they call it.
Yeah, and it's open where anybody can view it. So participate. Really?
You don't have to be a developer or anything. Yeah, that's awesome. Any other data layer
news this week? We're coming up to the end. I normally finish it bang on nine when Michael's
here because he has to work at nine. But I don't mind carrying on a few more minutes or whatever.
But if anyone wants to come up and have the mic for a while, please do invite yourself up. Otherwise,
are there any other? Oh, maybe one thing I could just throw out there is at some point,
there's going to be a decision made with Michael, I guess, or the community with Michael. We're
going to have to decide if when the data layer names, whatever form they are released, these
are the human readable names, you know, Google dot data layer or Google dot whatever the thing is
that runs in the data is are these going to be permanently owned as in unstoppable domains on
Ethereum, where once you buy the name, Liverpool dot NFT, for example, that's yours forever. It
can never be taken away unless someone hacks you, of course, or you sell it. But at least with the
XCH names, you have to renew them every year. And I I'm a firm believer they should be owned
permanently. And Michael is open to both. He's a little bit veering towards, well, maybe we
should have them renewed every year. And so therefore, the names don't go missing. And
I just think that leads to centralization in many different forms. So but, you know, if anyone is
wants to give their opinion on that, I think that could be an ongoing discussion. And I've also
added a vote at the top, which basically reads, would you rather data layer names on blockchain
be permanently owned by the individual or basically you have to renew them? He's thinking
that if you die, then the names will go missing forever. I think there's positive and negative
of both. But yeah, I don't know if anyone has any thoughts on it. I actually probably lean towards
renewing. But I can see benefit both ways. But yeah, I probably am of the mindset that is better
to renew each year. Like someone who's like, say, I mean, you're essentially talking about like a
name service like name styles doing and they need to be able to to pay for the work and the resources
needed to to do that. And I mean, I don't know how how you how could you justify doing it if it's a
free forever service? You know, I don't know. I kind of see that once the names are out there,
the job is done of the people that say sell them, like the then the community can build on top of
them. Essentially, there'd be no need for the central name selling point after that, because
what utility gets built on top of it. But having to renew it every year, I just
all a pantheon of different uses are gone. I think that's my intuition. But at the same time,
I perhaps there's room for both, you know, both tactics could work at the same time. But
it is actually a crucial question. I think that it's
it's a difference between a killer app and killing the app. But then again, maybe I'm wrong on that.
So I think it is worth lots of people thinking about it and discussing it because once it's
decided, it's very hard to kind of undo it, I guess. And I think it changes that
it changes the ecosystem, actually, I think it's the biggest thing that I'm worried about,
that issue and have been for a while. So I'm happy to raise it. But ultimately, it's up to everyone.
Yeah, I think I lean towards what you're saying, Ed. It's difficult. You know, I think a lot of
the problem with Chia being, you know, extremely decentralized is that there's very limited,
there's limited ways that that people can monetize what they do, you know, look at
look at Mint Garden and SpaceScan and, you know, DEXI, et cetera, because there's no real sort of
fees or to use things because it's so decentralized, it becomes an issue. So yeah, I don't know. I
don't know. I mean, I'm not a massive fan of the name name things anyway, personally, that's just
my point of view. But yeah, interesting. It's definitely a debate worth having, I think.
Yeah. Yeah, but I've got I've got to go. I've got a little bit of alpha for you guys. I've got a
meeting in precisely well, hour and a half with the event organizers at Banana Conference, which
is a web free conference in Estonia to be a speaker there. That's in April, I think that is.
So I've got a meeting with the event organizers in about an hour and a half to see what it's all
about and see if it's worth me flying halfway across the world to go and attend and speak
at a conference. So that's quite cool. Yeah, awesome. Monkey. Bananas. Bananas. Yeah, go talk
a bit of cheer. That's the plan. Well, yeah, if I when I know something, although it's the one that
future Adora is is opening to doing the opening ceremony for again. So I'll, you know, if I do
agree to go and if I do go, then I'll I'll give those guys a hand on their their photo booth as
well for the for the few days that I'm there. So yeah, looking forward to it. Fantastic. Yes,
Steve. Any closing thoughts? I know you've got work starting. So thanks for stepping in and
coming up and you too, monkey too. Any closing thoughts for the week?
No, maybe my favorite of made the force to be with you.
That's as good. I tell you what.
May the Chia be with you. May the Chia be with you. Have you seen the I thought about you,
Steve? Have you seen the the the miniseries with the Obi-Wan miniseries? I saw the first season
of Obi-Wan, but I'm unsure if there's another season out yet. It seems like there might be.
Oh, is there? I don't know. I I've watched them in the gym when I'm doing it and I just
finished the first the first series, the first series on of that one. Yeah. And I thought,
wow, that's cool. When I don't know if this is a spoiler, but like in the last episode,
when the Obi-Wan sort of gets all his powers and starts throwing rocks around, it was like, wow,
this is took me right back to my childhood. Yeah, for sure. Awesome. Right. I'm gonna have to go,
guys. I need to go and have a shower after the gym and then prep for speaking with these guys. But
yeah, pleasure to speak to you all and I'll catch you all soon. All right.
As always, a pleasure. Yeah. So the brief summary is Michael not here. We this week,
he's on fatherhood duties. There was a couple of updates. Things are moving on with the Sprout
UI. He needs some help with the rust. They've hit a bit of a roadblock, but he's asked for
developers to help check out Steve's developers discord for data layer. The minions have been
selling and Michael will be back next week. So yeah, thanks for listening, guys. Always a pleasure.
Never a chore. So we'll be back again next week. Take it easy, guys.