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Coffee and Crypto talks
Recorded: Sept. 6, 2025 Duration: 0:58:19Space Recording
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Thank you. Thank you. all righty good morning everybody or afternoon or evening or whatever the time zone is
i'm sorry i didn't tweet about the space.
Just, you know, it was a Sunday morning.
I woke up.
It was kind of like lazy and stuff.
But then I was like, you know what?
Let me grab nice breakfast.
Had an amazing breakfast.
Got this V60 cold coffee, which I'm having right now.
I'm going to smoke a cigarette or two and going to discuss what is happening in the market
with you guys here.
So yeah, and please, today let's just make it like an AMA
so you can just come and have a conversation with me
because each time I come, I try to repeat the same things.
It kind of get boring you know
so today if you are not comfortable coming on the mic and talking you can just always dm me
or maybe comment under this space so that i can read your uh comments or questions and then we can talk about it. This is the thing. Overall, market looks
pretty boring. Historically speaking, September is the month where you actually get a chance for
a good entry and then October, November, December, like three months, you print hardcore.
At least that's what used to happen i don't know what's gonna happen this
time so let's just assume and stay positive that this time around also we're gonna see some good
stuff but other than that yeah just hold in strong so okay so i have just one person ready to talk
mr alex i asked a couple of other guys to join but i don't know people just love
to fucking stay awake till the daily close and then they want to sleep and stuff like
motherfuckers you're gonna like what are you like the market makers and stuff ignore that shit
alex how are you brother i have since i follow you i don't know why i follow you but
i think we had a conversation before. So good morning.
Hey, good morning, Bull. How are you doing today, man?
All good, brother.
All good.
What about you?
Can't complain, man.
Can't complain.
I mean, I'm a little bit excited about X-Dog.
That's on OKX right now.
Been bullish a lot lately.
It's looked like it's going to pump to the moon.
So I'm excited, man.
That's all I got to say for now.
Well, me too. I I'm excited, man. That's all I got to say for now. Well, me too.
I'm super excited about it.
See, yesterday I was seeing some dog shit coin was pumping, you know, which I was like is a good thing, you know, because first I was I was like, you know what?
Damn, that token went to 30 million market cap.
But then that token already have like what?
70 percent supply burned.
And then, you know, everybody's like kind of trading it for now.
I mean, the liquidity is fair enough.
Volume is also decent.
But yeah, people are going to make money over there.
People are going to obviously, you know, jump into some other stuff.
And there's no competition right now in Xlayer.
It's just the beginning and stuff.
But damn, you know, I had an opportunity to buy this shit you know when i actually moved
to xlayer but then i didn't like the name like dog shit i mean come on i never see i never expect
uh star of the okx founder or all these other uh major players of xlayer to come talk about it
so yeah let's just see how it goes all you have to do is just
keep bull posting keep showing up keep posting xdog memes and uh eventually the liquidity will
come and flow in the veins of xdog so yeah i just have a quick question uh OKEx. Is it backed by BNB? Because I see a lot of interactions between OKEx and BNB.
I mean, OKEx is a complete different entity, bro.
They're like, it's a sex which is there before Binance.
I mean, CZ used to work in OKEx, you know.
So, and plus it's a China-based or China-centric exchange.
So, of course, they must have ties.
But backed by BNB?
I don't think so.
I mean, OKEx people are rich, bro.
They're like the OGs of the market.
And since they're doing a lot of good new stuff and a lot of people actually, they fired
a lot of people.
There's new management coming in.
So I'm pretty optimistic about
it but they both are like different you know different but they are friends it's like you
start something and then you know i come join your spaces it's going to be like that you know
it's not like i'm backing you but of course i'm going to support you it's just that
yeah but here's here's my thing too as well since i mean i mean
i know okx is a uh let's say it's a chinese exchange do you think do you think i'm not
trying to put anything negative out there but because right now obviously there's an economy
war between china and america do you think we might see some type of exchange war between the
american ones against the chinese ones like
something like coinbase against okx or binance or like what's your process on that i mean i'm
pretty sure it's going to be competitive when it comes to that and i'm pretty sure institutions
are going to be funding their companies that are based in their in their countries so what's your
thoughts on that regarding to that?
See, I personally think that, you know,
rich people are always friends.
They can always pretend that they're not friends and stuff.
But then, you know, it's the normies who are like going against each other all the time, you know?
So, and I think Trump is pretty pro-crypto
and I don't think there will be a problem.
OKEx is actually originated from China, but it's like a pretty much global exchange, you know.
And they're going for all the right ingredients which are required for the U.S., like, you know, all the licenses and stuff, you know.
So, like, they got Vara in Middle East.
They got, like, the Mika license, which is, I guess, the European one.
For the U.S. one, they're trying to do that as well you know in the end of the day you know wherever there is solid liquidity people
just move over there you know and then the new normies are like this impression which came in
the market that if you want to make money it's going to be either on-chain or futures so on-chain
market of other chains is pretty dead.
You can see like BNB chain is struggling as hell.
You know, there's no retail volume.
Like projects are literally tweeting that, you know,
we are not getting the right support and stuff like that.
Solana is a complete rug land right now.
So whatever you fucking buy over there, rugs instantly.
So there's actually a new hope.
And there's a huge potential here
for Xlayer and OKX
to capture the big amount of market share
because if they support quality,
if they empower communities,
show some support with the solid community.
Not like, okay,
you are part of one community today
and you made a little bit of money
and you jump into the next one
and you're like, okay, this is good.
No, you have to keep showing up because when you keep showing up you know it becomes uh you become
unavoidable so for the trade war i don't think i mean it's people's choice in the end of the day
you know no matter how much you stop them they will always like try to go some like try to go
to the casino where they think that they can make money you know a lot of chinese people uh bridge to solana you know when uh solana days were like
solana was having the glory days and stuff so i don't think i mean people will bridge to whatever
the place they're going to actually make money or they think they're going to make money so in the
future i don't think that'll be a big problem. Yeah, I'm hoping as well, too, because, I mean, like you said earlier, Solana's kind of wrecked.
I mean, today, what?
I think Elon Musk tweeted something about memes, and I think they came out with like a memeless coin regarding to that.
And it couldn't even pass $3 million.
People don't have money, bro.
People don't have money bro people don't have money
but i'm in 2023 if you go back in 2024 that that same mean that he just tweeted would have been
sitting at a two three billion dollar market cap but right now it's only got three three million
dollars and he can't pass it it's kind of crazy there's a reason for that see uh 2024 people
always like you know come towards the the glory stuff but you have to
understand before 2024 there was this three to four months period or phase where people were
actually um uh making the mean narrator where they were like uh focusing on creating communities
like whiff for example it came in those days a couple of other tokens like
Annalos and a couple of other tokens I heard they were doing 100-200 million market cap so you know
people were actually making money and you have to understand when a degen and a normie he makes
money he never pull everything out you know you want to gamble more you know because like for
example you came in this industry with the mindset of 100k the minute you actually make 100k you'll be like okay this this is nothing this is
nothing big that same for a million dollars so like people were having money
narratives were coming people were aping big now everything has been taken away
from normies by that Trump token drug all these other projects which made they
deployed they came all these developers, you know,
they dumped everything on people and they cashed out. A majority of these people are not even
traders. So what they do is they cash out, they leave and that money is gone. And then nobody's
there to bid the new narratives and stuff. So this is the thing. So that's why, you know, whatever
Trump or like this, what's his name, Elon Musk, whatever he tweets or whatever the pump fund founder kind of post or Tali post, nothing's going to happen.
Because people are broke.
You have to first, first of all, you have to make them money in order to take more money from them.
Because once people have this illusion or this belief that, yes, they can make money, you know, when they are like, OK, you know what?
I'm smart at it. I'm buying it's going up you know what let me
bring in more money yeah and then they bring in more money and then you know
the big boys they come they take all that money away and then you're left with
what like pennies you know $10 $20 and then you know you just want to like take
profit as soon as possible and that huddle culture that being part of the community culture, it kind of dies in
that casino.
This is what we are seeing on Solana.
This is what we are seeing on BNB chain.
And that's why I was like, you know what, new chain, OKX chain, X layer, let's just
try to build community over here.
So that if we have one group of people who are like, believe or agree on the
fact that we can go to a billion dollar market cap, keep showing, keep vibing, eventually we can,
you know, because this OKB, it's like what, 3.5 billion market cap, which is nothing. It's
definitely going to NASDAQ 100%. There's no doubt about it. You know, I can literally just sense it. And once it's going to start pumping up,
people are going to see the potential.
People will bridge to OKB, X layer.
And then, of course, they want to gamble on memes.
And they want to gamble on all these other protocols and stuff.
So what they're going to do is they're going to bridge.
And if you are sitting there with a decent market cap,
decent liquidity, a bunch of people talking about it on twitter you know out of their free will you know liquidity
definitely going to come yeah just let's go for the good days i do agree with you on one thing is
like with these celebrity coins the problem is that they extract it from the market so once it
pumps they pull out it never goes back into the market if you compare
to other tokens that's why i always i'm always against celebrity tokens because that money will
never go back into the market it's just going in the pockets of whoever launched those tokens
and we're not going to see that money anymore so that's why i always tell people do not buy
celebrity coins because that's just an extraction from the market it's just going to hurt the
marketing in general and that's what i hate about celebrity coins well it's not even about celebrities bro it's about all these other
developers like i always mention the story of this one of the guys i know they those guys cash out
like 150 million dollars you know they sold everything between 100 million to 600 million
market cap and they have no plans of putting that money back in the token they're buying cars they're buying uh watches and stuff you know they're like okay we are it's like max
extraction same with the peanut dev the guy is like on a shopping spree buying like the rolls
royces every country is visiting you know and that money is never coming back you know so people who
expect that okay an asset went to two billion market cap, and now it's like sitting at $30-40 million market cap, it's a good buy.
No, it's not a good buy, you know, because those motherfuckers are never going to put their money back, buy back their token, have maximum supply, and try to push it one more time.
No, it's never going to be that way.
So this is the thing.
That's why community CTO tokens can do really, really good
if there's not one
entity controlling everything.
It's like people, and when people believe in something,
you know, they just
keep pushing it up. For example,
SHIB is doing still better than all these
other shitcoins which came last year.
Doggy itself is doing way
better as compared to all these shitcoins
which came last year. So all the OG stuff is still doing good because a lot of community people, they were
involved. And, you know, once you kind of huddle something for, let's say, 40 to 90 days, you know,
and you've kind of like become part of this community as a family, you don't even feel like
selling the token. Because in the end of the day, like I always say, we are like very isolated in our industry,
you know, in real world, we can't talk about it, talk about this stuff. So when you become part of
a community, you start thinking of them as family, you know, you join TG, you vibe with them, you
know, you discuss your daily plans, you'll be like, okay, you know what, yesterday I was hanging out with my friends, and I was shilling them our token, you know, and
I'm sure they're going to like jump in or some people just come up with ideas that you know what,
I'm going to do door to door marketing, or I'm going to put some flyers of our token or project,
whatever the project regardless, you know, so that those are the tokens, which actually, you know,
You know, so those are the tokens which actually, you know, has the ability to create headlines.
Otherwise, if everybody is just talking in the group about the price action, they're like, okay, our bags are not pumping.
Look at this other shit coin.
They don't even have enough people, but it's going up.
It's like, you know, if somebody have red face and you just slap, you want to slap yourself and become red, it doesn't work that way.
So you keep doing your thing and eventually you will be the one people will try to copy so yeah but
whatever happened happened now we have to just find a way to you know stick in the game you know
keep showing up and eventually we'll make money and people will try to copy that hey man i'm ready
i'm ready for x dog x dog i'm ready for spacex to get to the moon so we can have
an x dog on the moon so i'm ready man that's all i gotta say that's good um all right anise dot
okx brother you came even last time i didn't get a chance to talk to you so you go ahead
yeah i did we had a brief talk last time how is it it? How are you today? All good, all good.
Yeah, just, I have a question,
but before that I'll just have a quick comment on OKEx
because I'm originally from China.
All Chinese people know the background of OKEx.
So Binance is not really Chinese.
I would say it's more international right now.
And OKEx is the only exchange
considered with the China elements, right?
And previously they were quite low key. And part of the reason why, you know, in China is quite, it's quite weird.
They kind of restrict you from investing in blockchain.
In fact, like 1.4 billion people actually don't have access to the crypto market directly,
not at all, which is a huge retail market.
They're banning it, but at the same time they allow this to operate.
They allow, okay, because OKEx headquarters is actually in beijing ironically and then now you can see right the ceo of okx is like tweeting more
than he has ever done before so based on what we know clearly there's some internal kind of wind
change where the few every country doing that this is the future they are a bit worried about falling
behind so it's almost like directly supporting them which is why with that backing there's almost no reason for okx
not to exceed you know with the resources with the market behind it so i think like the investing
okx is such a no brain move at this point just of course in my view of course also most of the
of course this is actually a pretty great move and i love the way you explained
it because see trump is going hardcore after uh crypto industries you know look the max extraction
on trump max extraction on melania and now this rinfi and stuff and now you know he's targeting
justin sun now me personally i know justin very well okay i've worked with him before i know him
since 2016 when he used to shill trx you know
he's like you know buy my shit coin and stuff but freezing his funds was not a great move okay it's
definitely not a great move like okay the guy invested in you when nobody even took you seriously
people took you seriously because of the greed which you triggered thanks to the trump token
because people saw it went to 80 billion, you know, and people made money.
They were like, OK, this is the next cash cow.
And we were like, you know, they started like, you know, putting so much money in this one.
He's just a scapegoat.
Like, it's quite evident, right?
He probably did something that not moral, but it's not a place to talk about morality within crypto space.
It's crime season.
Like, we should ask Trump,
okay, you launch a meme coin,
send it to 80 billion,
then send it to what right now?
8 billion or whatever the market cap is.
That is like morally correct.
You know, if you can do something,
you should do it.
Why not?
The guy purchased his exchange.
He's doing whatever.
Okay. It's doing whatever. Okay.
It's not like, okay, people cannot withdraw their tokens.
They actually stake them by their own free will.
He can do whatever with that, you know?
So I kind of like, okay, freezing his funds, it's actually a pretty bad move.
It's just that simple.
It's not great.
Unless, like, they give more context at this point.
But people are just watching now.
People are discussing this with agendas.
People are shorting it.
It's like, oh, I want to talk on support Justin.
People are longing it.
It's like, oh, yeah, burn his tokens.
It's just like, yeah, it's a shit show.
He's a businessman.
I mean, okay, he invested, but nobody wanted to.
Now he's sitting on a bag of 700 million.
I agree with that.
I agree with that. I agree with that.
Sometimes when our money gets stuck on exchange,
we want to fucking go crazy.
You know that.
So he's a crypto boy.
He should feel the same way just like we feel.
So yeah, I would hope.
He's against the crypto spirit, I would say.
The fundamental spirit.
But that actually made me bullish on privacy coins.
If this is the shit show
which is going to go in the future then honestly speaking monero pivix all these kind of tokens i
think we're going to have a privacy tokens uh run in the near future yeah i'm not too sure to be
honest like i think ultimately that's the goal, but you can see there are some compromises happening
between Web2 and Web3.
Web3 want to be adopted.
If you want to go pure privacy,
Web2 is not going to accept it.
So we're seeing emerging now
under a certain regulatory framework.
Now they say, okay, it's fine.
We would accept you,
but you have to be supervised, be monitored.
So it's kind of a compromise.
But eventually, I would say, that's the ultimate future.
See, Web2 people are also enjoying, you know.
But the thing is, Web2 money is coming only in the treasuries.
Like, you know, all these companies which are going on NASDAQ and stuff.
So these Web2 guys are trading the stocks of those companies.
And those companies are, are like actually just loading
ethereum bnb btc at this point and they are like you know because you cannot sell that treasury it's
just sitting over there look at btc now why btc is just going up and showing stability is because
you know michael sailor is holding on to them and then people are like gambling hardcore on perps
that okay three four thousand dollar move can easily take away like a billion
dollar so they don't even need to sell tokens they all they need to do is keep manipulating
and uh they are just making money off that yeah i agree but even even that though like people
really buy stock that actually you know reserving those cryptos are the one that have exposure to
cryptos the normies actually still don't understand. I don't know about in other countries, but as far as the country I was
exposed to, I've been exposed to, a lot of them still think it's a scam, right? They don't know,
or they don't know what are the means to invest. So I think those companies that are,
people investing in stocks of those companies, let's say whether it's SBET or MicroStrategy,
the other people wouldn't
invest in crypto regardless yeah 100 um anyway i have a question though just for you um you know
first of all like kudos to you you know like you're not only so you know we are xlayer you're
supporting xdoc right although he support different projects but they are all under x layer kind of ecosystem i think for people like you with such influence to come
and join okx it's super beneficial i think you bring a lot of traffic bring liquidity it's great
for the long-term growth but as you can also see right like i agree with all the points you made
regarding community long-term down in hand and And you can see the situation in X layer.
I think especially for the past two days, a lot of shit coins are coming out with certain mechanisms, right?
They're just going up.
I can give you a bit of insight.
You know, the stock shit token, they have a special promotion technique.
Like they have a teams in China.
We're promoting to the older people who don't have a fucking idea.
Like how to invest or how to sell.
Somebody told me that sell somebody told me
that somebody told me yesterday money is coming into it yeah we call it d2a these people don't
even know how to use a cell phone man but like somehow they just convince those older people
and investing in these tokens and and most likely hold it but anyway i don't want to speak bad about
other tokens they have their own mechanism that's not how we do things but like you have been involved in so many kind of meme token
communities right like you you're super experienced what do you think is the future of this like you
know if you look at every single meme token now they all trying to have their own IP they try to
have the community it's about rating it's about doing stuff you know as a situation going like
you feel people become more and more picky it's
almost like you're run i want to say you're running out of creativities it's like maybe
two years ago when you try to launch a meme coin like oh this dog is the angle is so good let's go
buy it now it's like probably all the angle have been used so do you have any advice like in terms
of if you you know of all the communities that say xlay or other chains
and you know whether they are cto team or their devs how they should develop the meme coin how
what are the characteristics that the project should have in order to make the project go far
yeah i really want to get your in order to understand that you have to understand two
points okay two key points see back in the day you know it was not
easy to launch a meme coin or it was not easy to even deploy a token first of all one of the
reasons why okay a token used to come and people used to let's jump into it and then the thing is
there was no concept of pvp okay people used to be like okay this is going to be the better play
let's jump into that as well and And nobody used to fund each other.
Now, these days, it's so easy for a normie to even deploy a token.
All he has to do is what?
He needs, what, 0.1 Solana or 0.2 Solana, and he can deploy his own token,
and he can get the very first entry.
Everybody needs that first entry, you know?
And if they don't get the desired entry,
they go ahead and deploy their own thing and, you know, some other people who missed the entry.
Because now when people see a project at eight, nine million market cap, they're like, okay,
we missed the good entry and stuff. No, dude, if you want a billion dollar run or even a hundred
million run, it's still a 10x from there, you know? And that is one thing.
Second thing is lack of patience, I believe, lack of attention. You know, I mean, 2021,
this TikTok thing was not very famous. You know, I think YouTube reels were not there. Instagram
reels were not there. If they were there, they were not very popular because I don't remember
wasting my time on all this kind of junk.
But now this new generation, you know, they are addicted to such things, you know.
And when your attention spans are like smaller, you cannot like, you know, if your chart is not pumping,
like let's say I do 10 tweets and the chart doesn't even pump.
If I'm like in the telegram, like yelling, bye, bye, bye, we are doing this, it's not going to work.
The next day, I want to try something new.
People love to give up.
And these days, very, very fast.
Now, what like the thing you said, we are never out of ideas, you know, like, how many water bottle companies are there?
Every day, there is a new water bottle company, they're still selling, you know. The thing is, I mean, water was a completely free entity, you know.
Your own body is like 70% water.
But then out of nowhere, one motherfucker came,
started putting the same water in the bottles and started selling.
In the end of the day, if you know how to sell, you can sell anything, you know.
Now, the thing is, you have to try different approaches, you know.
And the good thing about history and fashion, it's like it repeats every 20 years.
Now, the hairstyles, the clothing styles, seen from 1900s till now.
There are multiple times, you know, the styles, they kind of repeat and stuff.
So it's never like we have tried everything.
Everything can be repackaged into something new.
Same idea, different packaging.
People will literally buy it.
Now what you mentioned, this dog shit thing,
what they're doing, it's good.
What they need, I mean, CT,
everybody on crypto, Twitter,
they think that they're very fucking smart.
They're very intelligent.
They kind of overthink a lot. something is pumping you know they're like why should i buy
this why they ask questions like motherfuckers have phd degrees and everything no but the minute
they see green candles their fucking monkey side of their brain gets activated you know they feel
like itchy to buy that token now in order to create that green candle, you know, you need to find a solution.
Now, I love what this guy's did for dog shit.
See, even I'm talking about it, you know, because this token is pumping.
Why it's pumping?
You know, this is the first question like the monkey brain ask, you know, am I too late?
Should I just buy?
What is that happening?
You know, because what we do in this industry,
we ape first and think later.
We buy and then we go do our due diligence and stuff
because unless or until we are rested,
we don't even feel like doing shit.
So this is the thing.
So if you want to make anything successful,
you can deploy right now some shit coin
with no utility, nothing, which you can say doesn't even have a narrative.
Talk to Web2 guys.
Pick some of these investors, like these dog shit guys the way you mentioned.
Pick them and they'll be like, okay, you know what?
I'm going to give you 15% APY or 10% APY.
This is what these fucking people love.
Because banks don't pay you 15% APY, 12% APY. This is what these fucking people love, you know, because banks don't pay you 15%
APY, 12% APY. Now, okay, you know what, you're going to be the investor in this web 3p beautiful
fuckery, you know, AI, whatever the bullshit you want to sell them, you know, people, whatever
makes sense to them. But like, you know what, I'm going to give you 15% APY. Your bank is giving you
what? Nothing, absolute nothing. So I'm going to take care of you you know people gonna have easily gonna give you the money and stuff then what you do then exactly what these
guys did i don't want to like okay fight them but let's say what you normally do you know you deploy
a token buy up 80 percent of supply you know nobody will dare to buy it because ct guys you
know they think they're very fucking over smartart, you know, and you keep buying the remaining supply, you know, once you have enough supply, burn the 80 person, you have
almost about like 90, 95, 98 person supply. And then the funds which you got from those guys,
you know, you start pumping the price with them, you know, and these people, they're going to come
in, you sell them the top, dump it a little bit, they will get scared. They will sell you your tokens back.
You rebuy those tokens.
Then it all depends upon the good market making.
When the market making is good, when you have funds to fuck around with, communities form in no fucking time.
You just have to make sure that they are bag holders for at least three, four days.
They will shill because you shill the hardest when
you are underwater okay or you shill the hardest when you're making a lot of money there's no other
way sideways nobody become a community member nobody so this is how it is so you have to
understand these two three things and trust me you'll absolutely annihilate it in our industry
it's only green candles that's what works no matter how great a project is
if it's if it's dumping on day one look at wilfy you know absolute shit but there was so much hype
that okay trump token did really good same backers it's gonna go to 80 billion you know and people
were like one dollar is gonna open at one dollar four dollar is my target like read the tweets of
these motherfuckers but you know this is how people hype shit up.
So, yeah, this is what you do.
And I think you'll be Gucci.
Yeah, definitely.
Green candle, that is the only thing you need to bring, right,
to get people's attention.
But I think you made a very valid point.
It's people's attention span is so short now,
which makes the long-term community so rare nowadays, right?
Any project, actually stick it around and do it for long they shouldn't get a bad result maybe they're not the most successful
one but they will never get better result because it's so rare nowadays 100 that's why you know
web2 people uh their money it doesn't come with a lot of stress you know because they don't expect
a lot of stuff from you they don't expect like overnight returns from you.
And all these hedge funds and all these other guys
who are raising money from Web2, you know,
they are actually doing extremely good.
I know a guy, he actually made a billion dollars, you know.
He took money from Web2 guys, you know,
I think 400 or 500 million dollars.
I don't know what was the exact amount.
He took it 15% APY maximum drawdown, 30%.
People happily gave him the money.
He landed a couple of great rates.
It's like having the right amount of money at the right time.
If you have liquidity in the days when nobody is like,
a market is crashing, everybody's crying on Twitter, that's the best time.
You scale in, you know, you're good to go.
Every bounce, you actually make good amount of money.
Because it's, people say that, you know,
money attracts money.
No, it's big money attracts small money.
It's just that simple.
So the more your market cap gonna grow,
the more people think you have,
they're gonna give it to free.
But if you go to people are like, okay, you know what? I need
help. Give me money. People are like, fuck off.
But if they see you that you already
have a lot of money and you don't
need it, they want to give you. For example,
Elon Musk, you think he bought Twitter
from his own pocket? Of course
no. He said, I want to buy Twitter.
Everybody came, okay, please, sir, take my money.
Please, sir, take my money. But if
you go to a friend, they're like, bro, I'm fucking underwater. Give me some money. Like, fuck off. You're like, hey, please, sir, take my money. Please, sir, take my money. But if you go to a friend, they're like, bro,
I'm fucking underwater.
Give me some money.
They're like, fuck off.
You're like, bro,
I'm launching this token.
It's really good.
They're like, fuck off.
So yeah,
you have to fake it
till you make it, brother.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
But that's kind of
the rule of society, right?
Like the more money you have,
the easier it gets for you to make money, right? Exactly. The money you have, the easier it gets for you
to make money, right?
Exactly.
Don't show them your pocket.
Just at least act like
you have more money.
That's how scammers do.
But that's how good
normal people do as well.
We cannot promote that.
But I get it.
Fake it until you make it.
That's the right way
to look at it, definitely.
But in the positive way, of course.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Awesome. All right. You're welcome,'re welcome brother me and brother how are you i love the way you put the okx tag
in front of your name so respect that good morning
ask ask ask brother yeah i just had one more question before you move on uh i was uh i wanted
to talk uh talk about a new narrative,
which is the streaming meme coin narrative that's going on right now.
I mean, you have like so long.
Bitlord tried that shit.
Bro, could it even pump his token to 500k market cap, bro?
Like, come on.
Unless you're a hot girl with big tits and nice ass,
I don't recommend you to do that.
Because simps gonna
buy it you know and uh for a guy i don't think there are enough rich girls in this space to like
ape in our share coins so yeah like look at the only fan bitches making 50 million a year bro
come on if they do the streaming shit and launch a token go all in i'll fucking respect that for you
but if you're like you me or any other person go and stream and launch a token, nobody going to buy, bro.
So, yeah.
Skip that.
Skip that shit.
I'm going to pretend I didn't even hear that idea.
Okay.
I just want to make sure.
Anyways, you're a mirror, brother.
You go ahead.
Good morning, everybody.
Good morning, bro.
How are you?
I am very okay, what about you like you're great like everything no matter what yeah i have to bro have to survive
time to be alive yeah honestly the last cycle the last cycle was the fundamentals and meme coins both were going great.
This cycle, when you open meme coins, you get wrecked.
And when you go and study and research about the project, it make you wrecked again the linear the linear bro i'm talking about
the biggest l2 token project that is gonna be launched on 10th of september i studied every a sentence about the linear okay and got long uh one x just not to be liquidated just to put money
uh thinking that i'm buying the pre-sale of the linear it is you know it it has launched in I bought at 0.05, it came to 0.04, bought again, it came to 0.035, bought again, came to 0.03, bought again, came to 0.025.
So what is this?
The linear that MetMask team is...
Fuck the MetaMask team.
Let me tell you how it works.
The MetaMask-backed project...
Fuck them.
Nobody use MetaMask anymore, bro.
Like it's an old tech, old story.
People forget about that.
Consensize-backed project.
A project that the Aave protocol has deposited 1.2 billion dollars for it
okay but people don't have money people don't have money you know if somebody's putting money in your
protocol just to show to make things fancy you know but if the normies don't have money you
know they're not gonna come come. They want consistent dopamine.
But let me tell you how things work.
So there was this one guy, he messaged me.
He's like, bro, I am at Satoshi Roundtable.
Would you mind come meeting me?
I'm a huge fan and I have this amazing project.
I'm going to launch it.
And I need your help in that.
I was like, good, good.
He's talking sense and shit. Let's just go meet the guy. So I went, I don't want to take the name of the token.
It's actually going to be in the market in a couple of days and stuff. But so then what happened is
I went to meet him and he's like telling me all the fancy stuff that, you know, it's going to be
the chat GPT version of ai modules and this and that
and fuck this three guys okay i said okay cool heard their whole story and shit then i was like
okay what is the what is your main agenda what you're gonna do with uh uh what you call it uh
you're gonna make money or you want to make like legacy and stuff? He's like, of course, I need to make money. I said, okay, who funded you guys? He told me, okay, you know, XYZ entity
funded us. They gave us like 10 or $20 million. And I was like, how much you have left right now?
It's like $3 million. I said, where the fuck is the money? It's like some we spent, some we,
you know, we spent more, some we we spent more a little bit we fucking developed
now we are sitting on like reserves of two three million and this we have to get the listings done
kols done and all that stuff i was like you know the fuck and at what valuation you're going to be
launching he said 150 million and if we keep selling from there, we can easily cash out 20 million
and give it to our investor.
And I think we are Gucci.
So when you see these tokens,
all the fancy stuff,
the fundamentals,
go look at FDV and the market cap.
If the FDV is like in billions
or 500 million or 400 million,
whatever.
So the amount of tokens they're going to sell,
it's complete fucking profit.
You know?
So you got to understand their fucking psychology you know i will prefer a fucking 100k meme coin you know
at least there is a little bit of chance that i can make a little bit of money but when there are
people they are like already negative these fucking devs they gonna like of course keep dumping on
you that's why each time you see a listing there there's a dump. Because these motherfuckers, you know, to attend these events, to raise more money, they throw parties, then they
buy their own luxury stuff, and they spend very little on product development and everything.
That's why, you know, majority of these projects are not even doing good. So you have to understand
this. And once you understand this, you will take better decisions. Comprende?
And once you understand this, you will take better decisions.
Comprende?
Sartoshi, brother, you go ahead.
Or Irtoshi.
I don't know.
He's an investor of BTC Eat, BNB Soul, doggy.
You want to come talk?
Yeah, yeah, brother.
Yo, what's up?
How are you?
All good, all good, all good.
What, you know now you're thinking?
If you need more time to think about your questions and stuff, we can come back to you later.
Sounds good?
Yeah, my connection is tripping a little bit.
Oh, it's better. I can hear you perfectly fine.
Oh my God.
So, yeah, these are the things I'm in, guys.
You have to understand.
It's not like whatever they're writing on the white papers and stuff.
Go see.
See, whoever launches the token, go check their name.
Majority of these fucks are like doxxed and stuff.
See, try to find them on Instagram or LinkedIn or Facebook and see their lifestyle.
If they're posting pictures of parties, yards, cars, think that the money which they raise to develop the product is all gone.
So the minute they're going to launch, they're going to keep rugging on you. But if the boy is just sharing stuff which doesn't even make sense to you,
like all the codes and all the technical shit,
and the guy looks like Einstein,
that guy is definitely going to make you money.
That token will definitely do good because he spent time.
Look at Vitalik.
Biggest example.
Guy's a billionaire.
Don't have a fancy car.
Don't have a fancy watch.
He talks. Never makes sense to me. example guy's a billionaire don't have a fancy car don't have a fancy watch he talks never makes
sense to me all this 7702 this smart contract all the psychological and technical shit you don't
even understand pure fucking genius these days if you want to know if a person is genius or not
listen to him and if you start feeling sleepy within like two minutes trust me the guy
is genius if he's like amazing and all like all good to fucking sell and leave shot the ponzi
straight away anyways uh who else gonna come jeffy you go ahead brother you're there for quite some time sitting like a good boy so you talk
now Jeffy's also like being like a little yeah good talk what are you
getting oh I'm good brother I'm good right here. You tell me. Oh, can you help me now, man?
Of course I can hear you brother go ahead
Yeah, pretty shitty connection
Pretty sure this connection never mind. I going to add a couple of more people.
And then I'm going to like rug the space.
Though I'm having fun.
But I need some people to discuss shit with.
You have to put some fucking questions or ideas in front of me.
And I can give you a whole fucking lecture on that shit.
Let me go towards the comments and stuff.
Let me see what the people are saying in the comments.
So I can like, you know, answer those questions and stuff. Me me see what the people are saying in the comments so I can like, you know,
answer those questions and stuff.
Me, till then, you go ahead.
Bro, the problem is for Linnea
that they don't have
unlock token for the team.
They don't have unlock token
for the investors.
Just for community to dump on us.
That's all.
Which is even a big red signal bro of course like when you get listed
on exchanges what is it it's free no they ask for tokens you know one person supply two person
supply like if it came on binance alpha of course binance got supply by bit alpha by bit got supply
of course you know they're gonna give it to people, people gonna dump. You know, it's just that simple. Okay, Imam Guy said that doesn't matter if it pumps or dumps,
I'm married to Zig. Good bro, Zig is good. I have staked it. Rafa is working hardcore,
so let's see how he goes. We've discovered an OKEx Exchange wallet with the exchange logo. It
has been holding Xtalk for three days. 382 OKB, which is OKB has already started buying.
OK, good.
What about them?
I need more people to buy.
I don't need exchanges to buy.
Perfect Saturday morning.
Thanks.
Why late today?
We're late because, bro, it's Sunday.
Like, I woke up early.
But for the space, you need some energy.
To gather that energy, I needed coffee and other stuff.
Listening to UK 8 a.m thank you brother
very good we don't know what we need we don't speak english but we have one thing in common
building x good uh nioma is here that is i think the other guy's token you know he is talking about
i love the fact that he didn't even mention single time his token he could have easily done that i
don't mind that.
If you have a shit coin which you are holding, of course, shill it to anybody and everybody.
Why not?
Today, I'm going to go have a coffee outside.
I'm going to shill X-Dog to all the waiters over there.
You know, I'm going to like, dude, you know what?
You want to quit your job?
You want to buy the same fucking restaurant where you're being a waiter?
Buy X-Dog.
You know, you go to fucking gas station.
Somebody's filling gas in your car. Be like, dude, you want to own the gas station? Buy fucking X-Doc. You know, you go to fucking gas station, somebody's filling gas in your car,
be like, dude, you want to own the gas station? Buy fucking X-Doc. You know, then you go to like cinema, you know, the girl or guy who's selling the tickets, you're like, dude, you want to own
the cinema? Buy fucking X-Doc. So this is the way you fucking promote adoption and shit, you know,
shill your bags to Webdo guys, motherfuckers gonna love that. But if you're shilling to us,
each other, which we're like already fucked, we'll be like, you know, this guy is gonna like scam me. No way
I'm gonna buy his sharecoin and stuff. So yeah, you're shilling it to wrong people. Shilling it
to the people who want to change their life. Not like we're already fucked like us, you know,
we've been losing money the whole fucking year. And then somebody come, you know, and there is
like a bag holder. Can we tell you, Bill, I think, you know, yesterday one guy was shilling me his token.
No volume, nothing, super fucking bullish.
You know, why would somebody buy?
Now, if somebody's shilled dog shit and like be like, okay, you know what, bro?
I aped at four or five million market cap.
Now it's a 31 million market cap.
I'm printing, I'm Gucci.
We have plans of this and that.
It's going to fucking 500 million.
You might consider that too.
But if your bag is not only down, there's no fucking volume, then shilling it to anybody is not going to make sense.
But I love the way he gave that idea.
I need to do that more.
Shill it to Normies, brother.
Shill it to Normies.
Anyways, let me add a couple of more people.
Young Money is there.
There is a...
Muhammad Ajmal is there.
This guy is good.
He's still good stuff.
I don't like this guy.
Okay, I had a bunch of people now.
Let's see what they have to say.
Who should I ask? Lit there there you go ahead brother hello bull hey brother yeah do you remember me bro no yeah your name sounds very familiar. Tell me. Young money bro, we have been connecting often on the Daily Gram also.
Okay.
Go ahead, ask your question.
What you want to say?
Maybe my inter ping.
You had a good internet problem.
Hi bro.
Yes brother. hi bro can i speak okay go ahead any new coins in what concepts we can make bro it will be useful
for all and communities in what cards of sundal if you can say in what concepts we can make we can
give you a try no bro i mean you can even launch a coin called salt, okay?
Everybody uses salt in the food and everything, right?
And you make it.
You should have enough money to pump that share at least to 10, 20 million market cap
with a good market maker and stuff, and it'll go viral, you know?
You can always make pepper, black pepper, vinegar, you know, chicken, you chicken, almonds, anything. Anything which people are kind of familiar with.
Anything can be turned into a meme coin. That's the beauty of that thing. Table, chair, cigarette,
ashtray. Anything can be deployed. It's just that you should have the ability to trigger the green candles. Otherwise, you can't do
nothing. Let
their brother you go ahead. Sorry,
the other guy starts.
GM, GM, hey, boy.
Can you hear me?
I can't hear you, bro.
Please, I just want to ask,
how can someone identify a good meme coin
with a good SIM?
Huh? What is the question?
I didn't even get it
okay
i mean
can you dm me that'll be good
i can easily answer that
yeah mohammed ajmal
you go ahead brother
hello brother
i have just one question first i
will ask from you then after
your answer i will share my idea
uh brother since you are so since you are in the market and in the industry since 2020 2018
so how was the feeling and how was the scenario before the alt season of 2021 just tell me your
emotions and your feeling you know i will share my idea depression bro, you know, I will share my idea. Depression, bro. Depression.
2020 March, we lost a lot of money.
Then only BTC was doing up and down a little bit.
Everything else was like 99%. Like shit was so bad.
Go open the chart of Link.
Okay.
It went to zero.
Literally that shit went to zero on Binance.
It was that bad, you know. And I bought it like around $2 back in the day. And imagine you buy something at $2 and that shit goes to zero. How you will feel and stuff. This doggy used to be 30 sat, 30 satoshis, you know, 30 sat satoken for doggy, you know, and then there was like what?
sats a token uh for doggy you know and then there was like what uh there was a coin called erd
elrond now it is like e gold you know i bought it for like 25 sats that shit went to 11 sats
okay and i bought it when btc was at around 7 000 and when it went to 11 sets, BTC was around 3,900.
So imagine you're getting double fucked and stuff.
And then BNB chain came.
There were shit coins on that.
It started doing good.
DeFi summer was good.
We were making money on this balancer and curve.
And then I don't know what happened in 2021.
Everything started getting sent, you know, 2X, 3X, 4X.
Luna, for example, you know, Luna came down and then it started pumping up everything was like you know just up only but you have to understand people were having
shit ton of money you know it was covid days everybody was getting that thousand dollar
stimulus check and stuff and you know countries were printing money giving it to people and
everybody was like gamble gamble from home.
That's why metaverse tokens started coming in the market, because people wanted to socialize and share.
They're like, okay, this is going to be the metaverse.
We're going to be talking with each other, and that's why we are not seeing any metaverse FOMO anymore,
because we are back to normal, where we meet people on day-to-day life and stuff.
So yeah, it was like that perfect brother okay uh someday ago i will i asked from a guy who was in industry in 2017
i accept i asked that question which i asked from you he was also he said that it was depression. It was nowhere any possibility or people are in disbelief.
Then suddenly start the bull all season and every coin did 20x, 10x.
So no, with what I'm thinking and the market makers done his job,
they are listed good projects and down to 10x so no I I believe on the time
cycle every four years it is all season and I believe listen to me listen to me I'll tell you
something okay 2017 I'm in this space since 2016 all right my this account actually I'm in this space since 2016. All right. This account, actually, I created in 2020.
The previous one was suspended on Twitter.
You have to understand, 2017, 2021, institutions were not there.
Number one thing.
It was normal people like you and me who were holding BTC, ETH, BNB, and everything.
And we used to make money on the big caps.
Then we used to put in mid caps
and then low caps and stuff. Okay, there was no concept of accumulators, these treasuries and
everything. Market was pretty fucking pure. It was only normal people trading and everything.
Okay, that's one thing. Second thing, tokens which used to come back in the day on exchanges like
Binance. Let's just talk about the 2021, 2020.
Their FDV used to be 20 million, 25 million, 30 million.
Pick eGold, pick this one, Kava, pick all these tokens.
Look at Matic, for example,
one of the best performers of 2021.
It came on like 20, 25 million market cap.
You know, it was never like today
where tokens are listing on 500 million FDV,
1 billion FDV.
So if you think that we're going to have
same sort of altering,
you're delusional brother.
Trust me.
Okay.
That shit is never going to happen.
If something going to come and do good,
it's going to be, you know,
maximum you can get four or five X
if you're very lucky.
Neither there's that kind of money in the market anymore.
If there is equal amount of money in the market,
they're now gonna, they don't give a shit about our shit coins, okay?
They only give a shit about mainstream tokens with thick liquidity,
you know, where people can easily scale in with 25, 30 million dollars
and they can easily scale out with that kind of money, you know?
So don't compare it with 2017 or
2021 we are not living in those times there was no black rock involved there were no etfs involved
all that you know so yeah it was like normal people gambling on left and right and stuff like
that perfect budget so five is five is not enough for this season well 5x like if people have uh what you
call it one thousand dollars or one hundred dollars you give them that's why the all see
like we are not saying any all season because you can actually make ten thousand or a hundred
thousand with hundred k uh hundred dollars or thousand000 in meme coins, but you cannot make that there on these altcoins.
That's why future trading is everybody's trying to promote.
Because, okay, you know what?
You have $1,000, you 10x that shit or 100x long.
That gives you a bit of a dopamine and stuff.
Because people come in this industry to make money.
Right now, just one guy who was talking in this space is DM me, bro, I want to retire.
Help me.
Like retire.
And people come with the mindset
of retiring from their shit life.
You know?
And if you think they're going to happy
with four or five X,
that's not going to happen.
So I will highly recommend you
to change your strategy a little bit.
Because this 100 X,
forget about it.
It's not coming.
Like if an asset is sitting at what billion valuation, you think it's going to go to 100 billion you know
ship went to 80 billion back in the day that's a meme coin you know other than that 80 billion is
kind of impossible shit you know you'll be more than happy to see something at one or two billion
market cap and i think you'll be happy with it that still you are making money and we used to have spaces back in the day we used to be like
you know what if more people these institutions we used to be very happy oh you know what institutions
are coming regulations are coming but we knew at that time that you know once these people come
the volatility will go away from the market you know and when the volatility is less you start
gambling more if you trade forex or anything you'll Forex or anything, you'll see 500x leverage.
They used to have 500x leverage.
Now exchanges started offering 500x leverage, you know.
So, yeah, I don't know.
What can I say?
All I can say is just I wish you all the best, guys.
This is what it is.
Anyways, I guess enough talk for today. I'm tired
now. So we can do
a space tomorrow, a day after tomorrow.
Wish you guys all the best.
And yeah, I mean,
more people should come like this and have
discussion so that I can, like,
you know, share my wisdom which I accumulated
from the last 7-8 years and stuff,
you know. So yeah, maybe I'll
learn a thing or two from you guys and you'll learn thing or two from my side you know this is the thing
anyways take care guys i love you all
