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Coffee and Crypto talks
Recorded: April 12, 2025 Duration: 1:31:51Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion, crypto enthusiasts explored the evolving landscape of the industry, emphasizing the importance of community engagement, innovative token launches, and the need for collaboration between meme coins and utility projects. Key insights included the bullish outlook on AI integration, the sustainability challenges faced by many projects, and the potential for growth through educational initiatives.
Full Transcription
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do you Thank you. All righty, good morning everybody i'm in good evening as well if you are in other time zone
or afternoon if you are also another time zone so how is it going for everybody just wanted to do
a regular space i'm gonna make sure that i do it every single day and I make sure that it's being recorded so you guys can later tune in and
learn a thing or two because that's the whole point I believe of these spaces because a majority
of the times you are just talking about the educational stuff and stuff so I guess maybe
people will learn a thing or two yesterday are a
couple of things I wanted to discuss with you guys first yesterday I joined
the B&B chain space you know and I was there and I spoke with B&B chain guys
even they have no clue how to like bless people with that $100 million budget.
So that was something.
And those spaces, I guess majority of the people,
they come and then they start talking about their projects.
I guess rather than talking about the projects,
let's just help each other in building the infrastructure
or building the rules and regulations
from where you can actually aim for excellence, you know, actually get unlocked the engagements from the higher authorities.
And at least, you know, without any fuckeries, that hundred million actually benefit the projects.
Because majority of the projects which won the last programs of liquidity, I mean, after that, there is nothing. There's no support.
So instead, I believe they should, like, instead of providing liquidity, they should, like, you know, do the market making of those tokens.
Because majority of the community projects, they lack a good market maker.
market maker. So I believe they should get in-house market maker and they should do a proper market
making for these tokens. So that is something which I was thinking. I'm probably, I'm writing
a couple of more stuff. I'm thinking how this thing can be better and then probably I'll do,
I'll join their other space or maybe DM them how to get things rolling. Second thing which I
which I listened to yesterday was CZ's interview with Bilal Bin Saqib and there
were key points I mean I'm sure majority of these people must have never heard
the whole interview but there are a couple of things which I took from that
interview was first of all CZ is ultra
bullish on Bitcoin because he was like all these major countries will you know buy Bitcoin and
each time a country will come and try to make a strategic reserve for their country you know
they will go ahead and buy Bitcoins so they're going to be less and less Bitcoins in the circulation
and the price will eventually skyrocket to a million dollars.
Not this year, but probably in coming years,
it's very likely that that's going to happen.
Second thing, he is ultra bullish on AI.
You know, he was like talking about the AI agents that, you know,
in the future, you can actually tell AI to book your flights and hotels and everything.
And you can pay in cryptocurrencies.
And AI agents will only use cryptos.
They will not use bank accounts and all the other stuff,
which is pretty good.
So I was like, you know what?
This guy is extremely bullish and sitting on $2 billion.
And if he's so bullish on AI stuff, keep an eye on AI stuff. And then meme coins, he was extremely not bullish on. It was like 99.9% of tokens will die. Of course they will die. He was comparing them with NFTs. you know so and he also gave the example of icos like in 2017 till i think till june icos wasn't
not a thing but then for a brief six months icos were like the meme coins of 20 2017.
that was a good point he highlighted but then again you know uh meme coins and he was like you
know what um utility projects they are saying that you know
whenever we try to build a solution uh you know sec put us in the category of uh securities and
now there's like you know what if new frameworks or new rules and regulations they pop up you know
uh and that will bring i guess more more clarity that how a utility project is not a security and uh
he was like you know what people with the money they are complaining there's nothing to bid on
and uh developers they are like you know nobody's buying a token you know basically developers like
i said that you know they don't have the tools to build the community around.
Meme coin communities, they know how to form communities, but they don't know how to build stuff.
And that's why I always used to say that, you know, collab.
You cannot kill meme coins and just utility coins.
It's like, you know what?
Utility projects should collab with
meme coins you know so they can get the tech and uh the community communities can get the tech and
these projects can get the communities and uh in future i i believe if they follow this uh route
i guess a lot of people will be very very happy happy. So the meme coins will stay around for the
longer timeframes and utility tokens will have ready-made communities and I think they will do
pretty good. So I don't think killing 99.9% of meme coins will be a good thing because it's easy to understand meme coin.
It's easy to, you know, vibe with the meme community, you know.
And if the chart is going upwards, people are like extremely bullish and, you know, they will fucking love it.
And for 40 days, I believe, you know, if a meme coin lasts for 40 days, it's going to last forever forever you know and uh that's the beauty of it
so the thing is like i said utility tokens won't work unless or until they won't accept meme coins
okay a meme coin people should support the utility tokens that you know you know we will use your
utility we will make sure that we that we engage with your protocol.
So it's a win-win situation.
And if they are engaging with the utility project
and if it's a rev share model,
they should dedicate some funds to buy back
and burn the meme coin
so that the community is happy and they are happy.
So it's a vice versa thing.
They need to learn how to coexist.
You cannot just kill it and be like, okay, utilities are the best and stuff.
Because it's hard to explain people how it's your tech.
And majority of these tech-savvy motherfuckers, they're like way too overconfident and too cocky, you know, to explain people or to dumb things down, you know.
They'll be like, okay, what? I need to sound a bit tech-savvy and shit.
And that's not going to work.
And lastly, what else I learned from this thing is that, yeah, I guess this is it.
And he was like, you know what? I'm not going to do anything bigger than Binance.
I'm happy. And Giggle Academy is like free education for people, blah, blah, blah.
That's good.
Third thing which I saw yesterday was this new way of launching a token.
And I love the fact that, you know, in one tweet, a token is created itself.
But then, like, there were so many snipers in that shit.
Like I just tweeted about it,
token got minted,
and within one minute that token was sitting at 200k valuation.
And then it peaked at 600,000,
you know,
and with the liquidity,
which was pretty fucking thick,
you know,
and I don't know what the fuck happened.
And I was like, you know, what is happening? And then all of a sudden, thick, you know. And I don't know what the fuck happened. And I was like, you know, what is happening?
And all of a sudden, like, you know, the CTO shit is ready.
You know, the Twitter account was created.
Of course, like I said, if people are going to CTO it,
I'm going to support it.
But then, you know, the distribution was horrible.
Like, you know, one guy sniped the whole fuckery.
I don't know if it's the team you know of
centi ai that okay they saw that a big account just fucking created the token we can snipe it
or it's like a normal sniper who got lucky you know but uh when i posted on telegram that dude
i mean stop hurting uh the chart and shit so the guy dm'd me, and he was like, listen, I sold already, maximum shit,
and now I'm sitting on 8% supply.
I said, if you made enough money,
why don't you send it to CZ?
Because something good, you know?
Because I like the name,
but I wanted the text to be implemented in that,
like one person buy, sell text.
So at least, you know, the treasury can be built,
and you can spend money for the listings and shit. But anyways, nevertheless. So the So at least, you know, the treasury can be built and, you know, you can spend money for the listings and shit.
But anyways, nevertheless.
So the guy was like, you know what?
I'm not sending CZ anything.
If you want, I can send you like two person supply.
Just to also prove that that wallet belongs to me.
I said, sure, buddy.
Go ahead.
Do that shit.
And then he did it.
And then I sent that supply to cz and uh the rest is history i mean so far
still like it peaked at 600k came down at like i don't know what's the price right now let me have
a look and uh but yeah i like the liquidity part it's actually fucking good like 101 000 liquidity
at 168 kfdv 1.7 mil volume, 1,700 makers.
Not bad for a start.
Something which is, I guess, whenever I say that people need new methods of launching,
I guess people should take that seriously.
If not AI, then, you know, a pre-sale kind of a thing.
Something like that.
And tax needs to be implemented, you be implemented if you're doing a fair launch
because you need some way of making revenue in order to get listings and all that stuff.
Anyways, with that said, let's just take a couple of people and let's talk with them.
I can see Dr. Green is here.
I can see Meta Crypto is here.
So I'm going to add these guys because
they are hunting. And from yesterday, I'm noticing the Solana meme coin getting the volumes.
How it's getting the volumes? Because Fartcoin is pumping and a couple of other tokens are
pumping and people are making money and that money is rotating in the new stuff.
So which is pretty, pretty good. And yeah, let's see how these things go. And if BNB chain needs to stay relevant, they need to start supporting and start sending some stuff left and right. Otherwise, momentum will always go back to Solana. of my Chinese friend, yesterday he DMed me. He's like, bro, why don't you buy this coin? I was
like, all of a sudden you're moving from BNB chain to Solana. So the boy was like, you know what,
we are bridging back to Solana. BNB chain, the rules and regulations are not clear. Things are
not getting sent. So we are like, you know, going back to Solana. And if things go back to normal,
we'll come back or bridge back to BNB chain. So with that said, Meta Crypto, brother, how are you?
It's been a while.
It's been a while that you are not in the spaces.
How is it going for you?
So brother, I am fine.
I think you are fine too.
Well, I was busy in my exams and shit and I got that sorted out.
Yeah, but my portfolio, man, got a hit. I mean, that day when I made a lot of money, like 30K or 35K, I got back to 2K.
Now I am hurling across that.
And yeah, I listened to your space yesterday.
Yes, I wanted the mic, but I didn't get it.
But you were completely right.
I think that BNB chain is not sure about what they are doing
like for example they have launched fordart mean and they think that meme coin are the other other
is the attention economy right but then they that then they talk about utility i mean when a coin
goes up they talk about utility that we want utility tokens, we want people to build, then why did you launch the 4.0 meme in the first place?
I mean, people get that the meme coins have no utility and that they are there just to be taken as a joke.
But then if you want utility with that and not supporting it, for example, there are many coins like Captain BNB and all of that.
For example, there are many coins like Captain BNB and all of that.
They had a great community.
They had like tens of times more community than the Solana MIM coins.
But still, BNB Chain didn't support any of it.
But then you were right.
You told them to support the good communities.
That's how the things would get rolling, you know.
And yeah, I invested my last bit of mine your
text token I wanted to go out yeah it's it's a good token and with you
supporting it I think it can do numbers so yes I am in it too what's good about
it I like tell me what's good about it's another shit coin and you know the only
thing which I like about it that how it got graduated you know how
it got like listed on pancake otherwise what's good about it tell me it's just a fucking token
you know it's just that so you know and I hold zero fucking tokens two person sniper sent me
I sent a fucking CZ because I don't want these motherfuckers that you know what first of all
people who know me they know that you know I don't have the capability to run shit.
I'm maybe too emotional for this.
Last time I wanted to run shit was for candle.
And motherfuckers were like, burn the supply, burn the supply, burn the supply.
Motherfuckers, if I'm going to fucking burn the supply,
how the fuck I'm going to run shit for you?
Because these KOLs don't come for free.
They want supply.
Somebody want 1%, somebody want 2%.
You know, if you don't know, then you're living under a rock. for free they want supply somebody want one percent somebody want two percent you know if
you don't know then you're living under a rock people want supply to full send your
and then they want to dump it as well these days the conditions of the market if somebody gives
you supply you want to insta it because they even don't believe that you know the
project's gonna run actually good and what they going to do is they're going to fucking rug it. So the thing is, this is how the market is.
These are the dynamics.
And I like what you said that, okay, BNB chain, you know what,
first they support the memes, then they say build something.
Like, okay, this is why I'm saying meme coin communities
should partner up with the builders.
Okay, listen, guys, we will give you our community. Our community will engage with your protocol. why I'm saying meme coin communities should partner up with the builders okay listen guys
we will give you our community our community will engage with your protocol you know what you can
give us in return you know and they'll be like okay we can do rev share we can like do spaces
with you you know we can dump things down for you and these people can meme about their product
you know this is the way to go you know ahead but if you think that okay you want
memes and then you want them to build a rocket that's not happening you know and that's that's
no way to actually do things but yeah let's see oh ben tudor just joined ben brother see his
community is the strongest you know and i he should definitely you know partner up with people who are building so that you know I guess yesterday somebody posted that
he's building something and he was giving tribute to F2B and I really like
that that's the way to go actually hey Ben brother how you doing
Ben I don't know forgot to like unmute as shit No, I'm here, I'm here, I'm just dealing with
my kids, it's Saturday
they stay with me and I cannot get
rid of them
They are your utilities, bro, they are your future
utilities, you need to like be with them
They are not meme coins
for you, bro, I mean they are utilities
Right now they are memes, but in future
they are going to be your utilities
So fucking love them, bro course bro that is your community bro you actually brought them to
the world you gave them life they don't want to get rid of you bro i told them go play let me
finish my space come here come here do you remember this guy amu who i'm mobile uh-huh well done yeah like go play now and i go
play sorry guys you see they now they want to see i'm mobile bmb let me use my mic for two seconds
get rid of these two gangsters see guys so see you need meme coins because in the future they can turn into utilities.
See, they are keeping Ben busy.
Brother, Dr. Green, what's up?
Good morning, Mr. Bull. How are you?
I am good. Very good. What about you?
Been all well with it. Can't complain.
Been listening to your space and pretty interesting topics regarding the cc's interview
and bringing utilities to meme is is what basically i also would support um i saw the
interview also but uh a bit hurt when these guys who were capitalizing on the whole meme super cycle in last few months have been asking to
bring down the whole ecosystem and we are used to all these meme coins as of today i would i agree
to your point which you said that of course we should bring utilities and meme together
because what i lately i've noticed is utility tokens don't actually have a community
they are just stealing their own tech and and of course they would need a community they would
need engagement they would need recurring users and meme is the place where everyone actually
um you would say uh engages um uh basically they they bring in uh fun comic to their own life so
this is the way we can bring in more users uh to these utility platforms through meme partnerships
uh taking an example of sundog of course the token is dead as of today but uh you check how they are delivering back-to-back
utilities to their meme ecosystem they were the number one token on tron ecosystem brought in
bot and various other utilities but they have engaging with their own community and bringing
against system which basically brings utility to their own token and their own community
so this is what even i would support but what like what sort of utility we are talking about
okay like you know what this industry is a casino the best utility i have seen in the last one year
was pump fund it doesn't even have a token you know they had amazing uh rev share
model they made 600 million dollars that's the utility we're talking about what d5 protocols
back in the day were a utility but those models were not sustainable like you buy a shit coin
you fucking stake it you get more tokens you know what and then the supply gets keep diluting and
then you know people who are getting free, they were just dumping in the market.
You know, NFTs, what utility?
You know, it was just a picture.
That's it.
It didn't sustain very long.
NFTs, if they would have tokenized it, if they would have like sell lottery tickets as an NFT, that could have been like a new way of doing things.
But again, you know, the developer, he thinks that, you know what, he's smart.
Like he needs to speak in all the technical terms and stuff.
And that's where he lose people.
You have to like come down to their level to make them understand the whole thing, make
them use the whole thing and then bring them up with them, you know.
But that bridge needs to be, that gap needs to be bridged.
But I don't know how that's going to happen.
I believe projects should actually collab with the meme coins.
You know, meme coins with actually solid communities, regardless of their market cap and stuff.
You know, like, for example, F2B.
You know, Ben's account is exploding since he did F2B.
You know, like, literally, his community is fucking crazy. Ben's account is exploding since he did F2B.
Literally, his community is fucking crazy.
That community need collaborations with all these utility tokens, for example.
They'll be good.
Other than that, if you think just my community and I build things for them,
it's not going to happen.
They need to get excited.
They are working with somebody who is smart and shit and all that, you know, and that smart person should be happy that I have a lot of crowd behind me or standing with me or joining forces with me, and then they can move
forward. This is the way to do the things in the right way. And I don't think it's fucking rocket
science. It's very straightforward shit. I don't know why our industry love to complicate shit,
you know? And the funny thing is, you know what, since you mentioned about the interview, you know what,
when people get rich, they're like, oh, we didn't want it to be rich. We are happy. No,
don't fucking tell them, tell them be rich first and then say, you don't want to be rich,
you know? But first work your ass off, make, you know, eight, nine, 10 figures. And then,
you know, this philosophy suits you and shit, you know. But don't discourage people, you know,
when money doesn't make me happy.
Fuck no.
Nobody fucking come and pay your bills, you know.
So first be rich, you know.
Buy hook or buy crook.
And the funny thing is,
people actually forget about whatever you do, you know.
We all know how things used to work back in the day
for Binance, for all these other exchanges,
how like 2021 meme coin season started, you know, how like 2021 meme coin season started, you know,
how Solana meme coin season started, you know, look at the guy who rugged Libra, he was actually
rugged 100 tokens a fucking month or I don't know, but you know, legacy, legacy, legacy,
it's a nice bullshit to sell. Listen, they say we came for the money, we stayed for the tech,
listen they say we came for the money we stayed for the tech right every person every person
100 there's no 99.99 no no 100 of people who actually got involved in cryptocurrencies
blockchain they came for the money anyone telling you otherwise is a fucking liar there is no like look if people
want to do charity shit they know where to do charities but you can't do charity without being
rich so what you're saying is 100 correct i never ever keep listening to anyone who's telling me oh
i'm doing this for charity no you're doing this for
the money maybe maybe after you make seven eight nine figures then you start launching projects
for the community i believe you but you started next last year and now everything is about
charity and i'm not doing it for the money. No, that's bullshit. Everyone is here.
Every single person listening to me now is here for the money.
Like no one is doing anything other than trying to print.
And the moment we accept that, the moment we move forward and meet our goals, we have to be honest about it.
our goals. We have to be honest about it. Coming back to utility meme coins, I think the best
utility ever is to give people money back. Because, you know, you can have a lot of followers,
you can have a huge community. You know, like, I'm seeing it now, I'm looking at this now on F2B,
I'm looking at this now on F2B.
The community, like, wrecked,
but they wake up every single day
like they're printing millions.
Now, how can we move or how can we mix and match
with having a strong community with a utility?
As you said, the casino.
Maybe revenue share, like pump pump.fun something like that like okay
let me tell you let me actually give you a suggestion now for example i keep talking about
like you know what the gamify ai and um defy is the i think the meta which we will see in the
coming months now for example a gamify product product
you know what okay they have gamers but they don't have crypto uh traders or users you know what they
should come to like you know for example your community they'll be like guys we want you to come
try our game okay and if you're spending in the game or whatever whatever the revenue you guys
generate we will make sure that we buy back and burn the tokens or rather than burning the tokens, we'll keep them in our treasury
and we'll lock them and stuff, all that stuff. Now that's a utility. So your community is actually,
you know, given a task to play the game and stuff like that. It's actually good. It's very good.
You know, for example, this guns token, why don't your community reach them that, listen, guys,
your token, okay, it's doing good. I don't't know or we don't know how how much how many users are actually uh playing your game
who are actually on x who are actually crypto uh educated okay so why don't you know the community
go that way or like the defi token for example the cz retweeted about this protocol called helio
you know nobody ever heard
about them, but they are doing something. They are providing a solution which is against Venus,
you know, Venus had the monopoly over there, but now Helio is doing it. Okay, so your community,
or you reach them, listen guys, I have this community, okay, we are ready to like, you know,
give you full support, you know, so that you have a good footprint on Twitter from a crypto audience,
you know, what you can do in return for us. See, this is the way to go. You cannot just tell,
like, bunch of DGNs that, you know what, create something. If they wanted to create something,
why the fuck they are in the meme coin in the first place? You have to understand,
meme coins are easy to understand. It's easy to vibe with, you know, because there is no 2 plus,
like a fucking physics theorem you need to understand.
Or, you know, a chemical formula of gold
or like, you know, NACL, sodium chloride shit.
It's like, it's like a fucking dog.
It's broccoli, you know?
And it's C, A, N, and F, 2, B.
These are the only things,
these are the three things you need to fucking understand.
In their protocol, you need to go to their website.
You need to, like, you know, connect your wallet.
And then you need to stake some stables to see how it works.
All that stuff.
People don't want to go through this.
But if you put the right amount of greed on the table,
people will actually go ahead and do it.
You know, if PumFund today, you know,
says that each token you launch,
we actually gonna give back 10% for launching a token,
you know, and if you take to a million dollar,
we'll give you 20%.
If you'll take 100%, we'll give you 50% of the revenue,
you know, motherfuckers will go crazy over there
because you understand, like, greed drives us. And there's another thing that drives us is lust as well. That's why OnlyFans
is a very big thing that the bunch of simps are like, dude, you know what, this chick gonna remove
her clothes in front of me. You know what, I'm a blessed guy. Here, take my money. So greed and
lust. Lust, I don't know, we can integrate in our industry, but greed we can fucking integrate, you know?
So you have to understand basic human psychology.
Two things.
Like, people used to conquer countries for girls.
Like, oh my God, you know what?
That country got such a beautiful queen.
I want it for myself.
I'm going to conquer.
There's a famous movie, Troy.
Have you seen that?
In Troy, they literally fucking attack another country
because their prince steals one of his wives.
You know?
So the thing is, it's just that simple.
Greed.
Okay, you know what?
Okay, so Britishers attack India
because they had a lot of gold.
So, you know, they were like...
India?
Yeah, they fucking conquered the home of the planet.
They were like, you know what, guys, they went to, yeah, they were like, you know, they were like,
you know what, guys,
we need to give you democracy.
Come, we'll give you,
what America is doing?
Fine, oh, you guys got oil?
Come, I'll deliver you.
Let me give you democracy.
Yeah, so it's greed and lust.
That's it.
You know, there's no other logical shit.
You think you're going to educate them? We are fucking monkeys deep down inside you know we are animals you know and the thing is that's it you we need
to learn a way how to fucking tap these things and we're gonna be printing hard as fuck okay
dispatch brother you raise your hand go ahead sorry I'm talking too much. Yes, yes, good morning, good morning, good afternoon.
A very, very interesting conversation.
And if you follow the conversation, we keep mentioning the community, community and community.
But we need, first of all all to understand when we say community,
who are these people? So first of all, we have the builders. Builders also are part
of the community. You have now the consumers. You have the promoters, you have the traders or investors.
So first of all, we need to all agree that the community is not only the speculators and the traders.
The builders, the consumers are also part of the community.
And one thing that I want to state is the history of the cryptocurrency.
The foundation was built on the community.
I think you'll never see any shit out there with the strongest community apart from the cryptos.
We have been here for now.
LGBTQ has a very strong community by the way
you know you're talking about lgbtq brother their community needs rights and shit
a very committed community okay committed community so uh black lives matter Community. Okay. Committed community. So, uh, Black Lives Matter.
Yes, yes.
That's another one. That's a strong community.
Yes, yes.
Abortion rights activists.
But over the years, we have also seen, uh, the community now is getting back the power
which was taken by the exchange. You know, I used to find very, very hard to accept
that, you know, finance will just wake up one day and say, okay, today we are going to delist
the following projects or the following coins without any community engagement.
Because what is the point of having a decentralized economy or finance whereby
one person can decide to do anything affecting millions and millions of people.
Very good point.
And I want to give credit to CZ because now Binance, when they want to de-list or they when they want to list
they have introduced a very good engagement whereby we as a community we
vote no it doesn't matter mate your vote does not matter because those who won
the votes what did not even get listed and those who lost the vote got listed
so your vote doesn't matter
your first point and i'm sorry that i cut you off um your first point is very very valid for one
reason like what's the purpose of this fucking cryptocurrency and blockchain is to move to the decentralized word and what's the point of having one person or one entity decides
a project to go to zero like i've seen now those that they've decided to delist
they went to zero most of them so yeah your first part is valid i love it we have to move then i agree with you i agree with you i agree with you maybe
we are not 100 in control in terms of the vote still they have influence but i say is a progress
uh if you go back six months ago it was just uh these guys wake up and decide okay we are
delisting the following projects and we get we giving you one week to liquidate your positions, you know,
disregarding everything, whether the project has a strong community,
has a very good utility.
So we will get there.
I believe we need to take back the power from the exchanges
because this, I mean, the crypto is all about the community.
So I believe it's a good progress.
We'll get there.
We just need to propagate more power to the community.
And I want to agree with you. Even in the last listing project by Binance,
there are some projects which got more votes,
but they were not listed.
By the way, you know that the votes of Binance
are being sold for $14 a vote.
It's a good way.
I like the initiative.
I love the way they are delisting shitcoins
which are there from 2021.
There's no development and stuff. People used to play pumps and dumps on that. Anybody
who have like 10 million or $20 million, they used to accumulate maximum amount of supply,
then they used to perform a pump and dump. You see a token going up 300, 400% in a day,
and then it used to rug. And we used to see in all the bear markets. You know, 2018, we saw a lot of pumps and dumps like that.
2022, we saw a lot of pumps like that, pump and dumps like that.
But now, each time you try to manipulate the price of a token,
Binance instantly put them under the monitoring tag,
which I personally like, you know.
And I guess the more regulations Binance are getting into,
it's going to be a bit tough for people to
manipulate charts. That's why I guess people are moving or like the Binance is encouraging to come
on chain. That's how Tron guys, you know, Justin Sun is pushing people to come on chain. That's
why whatever fuckery happens on Solana, it happens on chain, you know? So I agree with one point of
view. You know, this is actually a good point that you highlighted.
Matt, a crypto brother, you raised your hand.
Go ahead.
Yeah, brother.
This guy, bro, bro, bro.
Ben, Ben, Ben, listen to me.
You made $2 million or $3 million or like $4 million, right?
Yeah, you are a bit rich now. Like, look at Bull BNB.
He has $ three billion dollars right
but he doesn't talk like that you told me yesterday that you don't reply to poor people now
am i looking forward to you bro i don't i i did you say that did you say that bro yeah he said i
don't listen listen listen listen listen listen listen listen listen listen listen listen listen
listen to me now listen to me to me. Now listen to me.
You fucking listen to me because what you said out of the fucking contest.
You just said,
Wailun Nil Musallim, but you didn't finish the whole fucking sentence.
You said to me,
Okay, so this guy, he fucking changed his name like 300 times.
Me? I...
Oh yeah, he do that.
He was, I don't know.
I memorize people that i know with their name
okay or their pfp this guy he changed it like 300 times he keep texting me texting me
texting me i'm like i don't know who the is this guy right and then i don't know he said something
very offensive and i'm like who would talk to me like that someone that i know right then i went
to his messages i found it was him
and i was like your changed your name and photo again and he was like oh now you made money i'm
like first things first i didn't make money and actually i'm in a huge loss only bull bmb knows
that i'm i'm like 500 to 600 000 down in the last 40, 50 days.
Bro, that's nothing for you.
Well, anyway, anyway.
And I said, jokingly, I don't reply to poor people like you.
Yeah, you are joking.
I am joking too.
I have not come and grabbed you by your neck.
Bro, the point that you have raised, my PFP and my name,
well, only the rich guys can keep their PFP and their name.
Now, I buy a coin. I have to make that PFP.
I have to make that PFP.
Like, listen to me.
Bro, I like his approach.
We have metakritic.
Don't go, brother.
You know, you are supporting, brother.
I salute that shit.
That's called the community.
That's called the community.
Yeah.
So a few days back, a few days back, look at me.
Look at my courage. A few days back, I had look at me look at my courage food is back i had
1k left 1k dollars left and then i wanted to buy a car so i went to the car dealer and he's
he said this car this car is going to cost 11k so i went to driving school now i am learning a car
and i have started a challenge from 1k to 11k now that's courage that's courage now bro you buy a kind
you have everything in the world you have houses you have cars you buy a kind why do you need to
change your pfp for that when i buy a kind like for example i have bought tax kind on bull bnb now
i have 500 i want to make it to 11k now i will change my pfp to tax right bull the the kind the kind which have you checked text when have have i checked what
he's saying did you yeah he did he did yeah he actually yesterday mentioned that tax coin bro
text the one which got well when i like posted about it i got listed yeah now now listen i have
all my money in that and now i have all my hope in that right now i
will make that be a fee i will make that pfp that's that then when i talk people know that
this guy is a tax kind investor and he check what's tax calling then he buy it that's how
you work for your bags so yeah your point may be valid i change pfp but i change it for myself i
change it for my investments right
now the drawing school nigga is calling me bull i have to go to him and when i come back i better
want my car i want this shit at 11k my portfolio it's right in about five five hundred dollars but
can i give you i will can i give you just an um an advice the jokes aside i like you so much i
really really like you you are a very good guy
you know like we joke you know i like your humor i like the way how you talk and everything i i
genuinely believe you are a very very very good person um so now you're telling me you are
i don't know if he's listening he's gone but if you want to buy a car for $11,000 and you're doing all this work to achieve $11,000 to buy a car, that's very, very wrong.
What you have to do is this.
If the car is $11,000, you should aim to make $100,000.
No, no, bro.
Like they say, if you want to buy something, make sure you can afford it three times at least.
So he should be aiming for $33,000.
And then he should go ahead and buy that shit.
Otherwise, there's no point.
And if he's going to buy the fucking car
and then you don't have any money to gamble again
on the shit coins and stuff,
he'll be selling the car
and then bringing that money back in the industry.
So the best thing to do is, I mean, fuck the car.
You don't need to fucking drive it. Now, like Ben 100 000 even aim for a million yeah and then start liquidating
and get otherwise what's the point yeah yeah exactly i mean i wouldn't do the 3x to be honest
like i wouldn't if i have 30k i would never buy a car for 10k i would just never do that
if i have a 100k then yes i would buy a 10 000 car uh yeah
10 000 car um i mean this is how i see life you know it has to be a little bit balanced and um
anyway this is just just like an advice on the side don't aim because look if you are if your
goal is to reach 10 000 you're not're not going to get 10,000.
You will get maybe four, you know?
So set your goals a little bit higher, right?
But if you reach half of your goals, you are way better than you aiming at making 11,000 just to buy a car.
I mean, I don't know.
This is how I see things because, I mean, you will never, ever have 100% of your wishes.
So at least make your wishes big.
If you get half of them,
you are actually way better
than your first thought
and your first wishes, I think.
I'm not sure.
Fuck that.
You're absolutely right, bro.
Ezhan,
Web3 Tech, brother,
you go ahead.
He was just... web3 tech brother you go ahead okay like you know what guys if you come on a speaker at least you know bring your fucking phone near to your mouth so when you talk you are loud and clear you know so it's actually easy for us to
understand and shit like that you know we'll be good but anyways not many people today want to
come talk i guess people are on the weekend mood and stuff but ben last time you were on the space
you were like we're gonna you know see a green fuck your candle and people gonna i mean they're
gonna liquidate a lot of shorts which they did what's the next move i believe we can go towards 88k and uh then we can go back again because i
i still think that we're gonna keep getting fucked till uh june july and then later we can see an
upward upward move but what what do you think what's your take on that well can i be very honest
with you last time when i when i told you what i think is going to happen and exactly that's what happened
i just went to the chart i looked at the chart and i made my analysis right there and then now
give me a moment let me go back to the charts and i will tell you what's going to happen in the next
24 hours i mean it's becoming very easy to predict the movement of the markets.
I don't know, like maybe experience or maybe like I've been doing this shit for years.
Okay, now.
But you were spot on, bro.
You were spot on last time when you actually came.
I swear to God.
You were spot on.
I love that.
Bro, did you see like the FOMO is going back to Solana?
See, yesterday I fucking bought a coin.
I didn't shill that shit because I was like, you know, fuck this.
A coin came called Bang.
That shit went to almost about $17 million.
I mean, and without any support of any, like, interaction from any big guys, you know.
And Solana motherfuckers managed to send you to $17 million from absolute nothing.
From like $150K mark.
There is another one.
Sorry, let me say it to you now,
because I've sent it to you on your WhatsApp,
but I didn't see it.
It's this one called...
Okay, guys, please do not buy what I say now.
Do not buy anything.
When we talk here, we are not giving any financial advices.
We're not recommending any token token apart from F2B of
course anything else we talk about here it just we are discussing things we're
talking about projects what they do and how they went big small and when we
mention any coin please please please do not go and buy it because this is not an
advice and this is not a shill okay
apart from f2b that's tattooed on my forehead so this one called rfc and it's on 30 million now and
it's been heavily cabowed let me just check again where it is now r RFC. RFC. That's the one on 62 million valuation right now.
This bunch of returns.
Fuck that, bro.
It's an 11 million volume and all that stuff.
I mean, of course, I'm not touching at like 60 million valuation.
But fuck.
Don't touch it.
But this was sent to me around, I think, 10, 11 million.
And they told me this will go big.
But then, you know,
because I just don't feel like
shilling any shit.
I want my community to make money,
you know,
in things that I do.
But sometimes when you are involved
in one project,
people don't really appreciate it
to shilling anything else.
But it went to 82 million
and it came back now to 60 million so people are
moving to solana slow bro it's gonna rug i can tell you that because see you know what the this
chart each time i fucking see a solana chart because i've been rugged so much so many times
on them this reminds me of the quant chart exactly like this so there there was a wick pump then
these motherfuckers rugged it because the boy sold it for 30k then these people fucking send it up
again you know and i actually bought let's say at 30 40 mil market cap and i sold it at like 70 80
mil market cap and then i fomored back in on like 62 60 million market cap then i dca'd at 30 mil
then 20 mil and then that
motherfucker never wanted to stop dumping fucking went to zero so this chart reminds me of that
unless or until you know these people this just keep sending it let me see the bubble map of this
shit wow heavily fucking controlled so maybe it can go up or jack. You see, it's like so much. Like, you see the cluster.
That cluster have almost about, what, 19% supply?
No, 9.7% supply.
But, yeah, pretty good or bad.
I don't know what to say to that.
Calvin is here, brother.
Go ahead.
I hope today your mic works perfectly.
Yeah, it's fine, though. go ahead brother how are you doing today i'm doing good i mean market is green you can't complain
okay what you bidding uh i think my just hunting some new memes and then trying to look at this
whole ai uh agent thingy
that I kind of found on your channel yesterday.
It's really interesting, man, like how things are being made so simple,
you know, for people to deploy tokens.
And in as much as it, I think if it bridges the gap,
where we can get more users into the space.
For instance, would you believe yesterday
one motherfucker launched a coin okay a meme coin so i hit and happened to dm i mean dm the dev
then i realized that this guy had zero clue about what he's doing he's just you know he's just
having fun he's like oh bro someone told me told me I could launch on Pumped and Fun.
You know, and this guy is literally, you know, like making about 1K a day.
He's just deploying and ragging, deploying and ragging, deploying and ragging.
You know, it's funny.
But, you know, I like the hassle too.
I like the hassle. And he's just making something for himself.
Trump and his friends are literally ragging us plain sight
and you can do shit about it.
So if a man wants to go through the mud and make his own money,
I have no problem with that.
But just, you know, people over here,
I'm sure people, your community as well as our bands,
people are looking for ways to make money.
I mean, I've been in this space for quite some
time now and uh the few things i can share with the average person in here is um or i wouldn't
say average more of like the start crypto starter in here is that um you know have a niche of people
that you follow for instance i treat he's italy with bo bnb okay have a few influences that you For instance, I trade easily with Bo BNB.
Okay?
Have a few influences that you trade with.
Follow the lead.
You know?
Who's talking?
Who's talking?
I can't see you talking.
It's Kelvin.
It's Kelvin.
Kelvin.
Kelvin supports me, bro.
Don't be jealous.
I mean, pick some F2B guys here.
I mean, Raj is here. A couple of others. They will appreciate you.
They will be like, you know what? Ben is the smartest motherfucker here.
Okay, maybe let me add Luke. Luke is having an F2B logo.
So I'm going to add him and maybe he'll be like, you know, Ben, you are like, you know, such a savior.
You know, such a savior, you are the Hercules.
You are the Hercules. Let me do that.
You know, let me do that.
Actually, this Luca is a very, very smart guy.
Luca is the guy behind F2B Academy.
I love this guy.
I haven't met him.
But Luca is doing incredible job.
Guys, like he...
He was supposed to, bro, pamper you or like, you know,
put you on a tree of some
sort of olives, but you are pushing him up.
But I'm going to fucking block Kelvin
for saying that.
Well, I mean, bro, like, I
bought in F2B earlier. You made
me money, for sure.
And the good thing is, it was actually Bo B&B
that called it in my DM. It's like, yo,
get in on this. It's going to do good, you know?
So, yeah, get in on this. It's going to do good. You know? So yeah,
you need to have some few people that you follow their trades and you follow
their directives.
They've been here for way longer.
And in as much as we are all in the trenches now,
I mean,
Bull has been in the trenches with huge amounts,
more than most of us in the space.
And he still made it.
So that is one thing.
And you also have to have some focus and, you know, be flexible.
Cut the trends.
Don't stick with the old things.
For instance, I mean, I've been working with most launch parts in the space.
Talk about Ape Terminal.
Talk about Dialmaker, ChangeGPT.
Bro, name all of them.
I handle fundraisers through influencers and even the private sales for all these guys but
the reality is ideals are dead man like the participation and the interest is way down
so if you are holding dow token thinking oh but you know why it died but you know why it died because see the entry to that
launch pad was very difficult okay first of all you need to come up with a good idea second of
all you have to pay them a very decent amount of supply and stuff okay and they were doing it over
and over so much you know an average trader was exact liquidity of all these idos because see all
the big boys they have the supply.
A normal user, he's being dumped upon.
You know, it's just that.
Now you have given the same tools to the same retail
which you used to shit on, okay?
And now that retail is shitting on each other.
You mentioned that, you know, this guy is like, you know,
making $1,000 daily by rugging everybody.
But then, you know, you should not blame that guy.
You should be blaming people who are actually trading But then, you know, you should not blame that guy. You should be blaming people
who are actually trading that thing, you know?
Because see, we have this psychology.
We open along and when it keeps going underwater,
you keep adding to that shit
because you hope that, you know what,
now we will have a relief relief without any guarantee.
The odds are still 50-50, you know?
Whenever you open a position,
there's a 50-50 chance
either you're going to make money on it,
either you're going to lose money on that.
But whenever it keeps going down,
we think that now it will bounce.
But still, even at that time, the odds are the same.
Similarly, if a motherfucker launch a rug,
chances are the next token he's going to do,
it's a 50-50 chance as well.
Third is a 50-50 chance as well.
But people keep believing that, you know what, maybe fourth time he's going to fucking send it. Maybe fifth time he's going to do, it's a 50-50 chance as well. Third is a 50-50 chance as well. But people keep believing that, you know what,
maybe fourth time he's going to fucking send it.
Maybe fifth time he's going to fucking send it.
Same with the Trump token.
You know, right now people are like, you know,
creating these fucking support lines and all that shit.
You never know.
It can go more.
It can go to $6.
It can go to $4.
It can go to even zero, you know.
But no, the Trump name is there.
And then there's a hope that, you know what, the first day it got launched, I saw it at
So I think that's the bottom of it.
So we, whatever the position we take, doesn't matter long or short, our brain starts giving
us all the right reasons to hold that position because that's how human brain works.
That's why I keep emphasizing on a fact that, you know, you want to do good in this industry,
learn psychology. And you know what? It doesn that you want to do good in this industry, learn psychology.
And you know what?
It doesn't matter how long you are in this industry, there is always some new fuckery,
new bullshit.
The people who made most amount of money in this cycle are the ones who were fucking ignorant,
who had no fucking clue about our industry.
They just came on Solana, they got into Phantom Wallet, Jupiter Exchange, started clicking.
They made most amount of money.
You know, I've actually seen screenshots.
I know people like there are some guys I know.
They made $50 million on Trump.
Some of them made $25 million on Trump, you know, and they were like, you know what?
We don't know.
We just saw something and we just ate hard.
And then we were like, OK.
And majority of them lost money, too.
One of my friends, he's not active these days.
He fucked up like eight, nine million dollars.
You know, he's like, fuck this industry
because he was getting too bullish on that.
And he was like, this token is,
the Trump token is the one which will go to a hundred billion
faster than anything.
And guess what?
It's just dumping nonstop over there, you know?
So this is the thing.
And I guess if you master human psychology
it doesn't matter which cycle you enter the market you act you're actually going to do pretty pretty
good other than that i mean i've seen people in the industry from eight years nine years and they're
still fucking it up you know i myself i i'm not i'm not saying i'm a genius
my mistake was i was actually trading meme coins without the right tools okay you need want to
trade a meme coin try to enter as early as possible and that's only possible if you are
like you have the right bots you know which gives you a notification when something launched or like
15k market cap 50 50k market cap or like i have one bot which you
personally use as well is that you know it gives you a signal when you know as an asset reach 200k
market cap with a 200k volume because it's not easy to achieve that you know so and majority of
the times token even on that scale rugs but you know your entry to that position is just two
thousand dollars for one% supply. So even
if you fuck up, it's $2,000. What I was doing wrong in October, November, December, I was just
aping like, you know what? I used to think 5 million market is nothing or 7, 8 million market
cap is nothing. But to acquire like 1% supply, it was 70 to $80,000. You acquire 10 shit coins, your exposure is 700-800k,
and then they all rug in one fucking night, you are 800k poor, you know, and then you don't even
fucking feel it. Now you are holding this bunch of shit coins, you can't even do anything about it.
And nobody want to believe in any community or something because people were so hooked with that
is that every day or every three days they were getting a runner which was going to 20 mil 50 mil 80 mil and people were completely happy about it that people accepted that you know
the only great thing which i liked about bnb chain only the first few days was at least people were
building communities f2b i don't think this community will ever die because it was actually
created on the time when um there was a demand of having a community.
On Solana, there's no demand of community.
On Solana, there's only demand of volume.
You know, if chart is going up, good.
He mentioned, Ben just mentioned a coin called RFD, right?
I don't know.
This token, I heard from him.
How this token is sitting on 60 million valuation, I have no fucking clue.
But it is what it is.
And people see it.
I mean, look at Fartcoin, for example.
You know, people are shilling it, shilling it, shilling it, you know, and it's going up. Good.
The narrative is each time Bitcoin dumps, this shit starts pumping it up. And people are making money on that. That money is rotating in other meme coins and stuff. And the casino goes on.
So this is it. We have to learn a lot of things, guys. We have to learn a lot of things.
is it we have to learn a lot of things guys we have to learn a lot of things and then there is
one thing that's um i mean look they all this talk is important and it's nice and you know
like we we're trying to just navigate through the apps and downs but there is one thing
and it's a fact there is only a certain amount of money right that rotates from a wallet to another wallet, to another wallet, to another wallet, to another wallet, to another wallet, to another wallet.
There is no money coming from the sky.
If you make money, that means someone else has lost money.
So you are not trading in a fair system.
You are trading against other million people who wants to take your money
so first things first you have to that's your emotions i mean i'm telling you this and you know
what really screw me over my emotions so i tell everyone put your emotions on the side but i
myself cannot put them on the side most of the times and that's why i understand people's sentiments
people sometimes get angry people sometimes get excited you know but most important thing is you
are not trading you are in a casino against a lot of other people who genuinely after your money
because the money that we put in and hope we have 10x 100x that doesn't come from a
tree it comes from other people's money anyone who bought after you you are trying to take their
money so what bull was saying get in early time your exit that's how you should do it. If you want to make money.
And the problem is, you know, like I fall into the same fucking trap every time I'm involved in a coin when it goes up and it starts going down. And because my name is linked to it, what I have to do
is I have to put money from my own fucking pocket, trying to save the chart. One day gone, one week,
two weeks, three weeks, I'm checking my fucking
accounts, and I'm 600,000 down. How? Fuck knows. It's so fast. So it does not matter how long you've
been in this space, or if you are a trader, and people think like you're making a lot of money.
But in real, we lose money as well, but we lose big. Maybe we make big money trading and gambling, you know.
Again, it's still a gamble by the end of the day.
There is no amount of fucking charts you can read
that will give you the 100% accurate forecast.
Bro, this shit hypnotizes you.
I mean, honestly speaking, last year in March, I remember,
I traded that map, I sold it, I never bought it back. Then I made money on Slurf last year in March, I remember, I traded that map,
I sold it, I never bought it back. Then I made money on Slurf, I sold it, I bought it back later,
it pumped up again. But the thing is, majority of the times, like, I actually went against my
own rules and without even fucking knowing it that I'm doing it. You know what? Like,
imagine I bought Lester at 100 mil valuation, one person supply, you know.
And I was shilling it hardcore.
I was thinking, you know, LTC will take care of it because finally they are getting relevant after a very long time.
From 100 mil it went to like, what, 170, 180 mil?
But that was just a wick.
And then that token rugged.
That million dollar which I put in that shit is right now, what, $15,000?
You know, that was painful.
That was very painful.
Similar thing happened with Quant and all that.
Because see, my mistake was,
I stopped trading Solana memes by April.
Then I restarted trading them in October, I believe.
Very bad fucking move.
Very bad move.
I should have used the bots.
I didn't use the bots.
I should have used sniper tools. I didn't use the bots. I should have used sniper tools. I didn't use them. The most amount of money people made in March, April was the ones who were sniping. The minute a thick LP used to launch, they used to fucking snipe it. Within five minutes, Insta, eight, nine million dollars.
tools. I mean, if you want to be ahead of the game, you need to learn a thing. I mean, it's the
knowledge which puts you one step ahead of the rest of the people. Like you said, you know,
when somebody, when you make money, somebody lost money. And when you lost money, somebody else made
money. This is how it is. Yeah. People who got rugged on Libra, I mean, the guy who deployed it
made shit ton of money to $186 million. You know, I mean, we lost, but somebody actually made money.
Like, look at that Mr. Punk. He launched he launched the token of course he fucking dumped it because when you start putting money
from your own pocket and if you're trying to hold the floor at 40 50 million market cap who the fuck
gonna put 40 50 million dollar in the chart you're gonna put 40 50 million dollar in the chart you're
fucked you know that's why you need market makers good market makers who fucking you know buy low
sell high buy and they keep like creating a chart, you know, higher highs, lower lows, all that stuff.
And I guess these guys used to do a pretty good job, got bit people.
They are the ones who sent Miro on a very high level.
They are the ones who sent WIF on a very high level.
And then later they got fucked because they were manipulating a lot.
Because first, when you're trying to make a name out of yourself,
you actually do your job 100%.
But when you achieve that kind of success,
you just fucking brutally destroy charts.
Look at Wintermute.
Wintermute got famous because people, like,
they used to fucking send the tokens to a very high valuation.
And then later, I mean, what, they charged like 7-8% supply
and then they fucking nuke things.
And this is what you saw in ACT, and this is what you saw in all these other tokens.
But, you know, once your name is there and you have 200 projects lined up outside, you don't give a fuck.
And, you know, people have goldfish memory.
Within three days, they fucking forget.
And you know what?
Three days used to be a standard back in like 2023, yeah.
But now, within 20 minutes, if a token gets rugged, you want to find another shit.
You want to fucking go ahead and try to make it back somewhere else.
So, I mean, unless or until these rules change, I don't think anything major going to happen.
No, I think you're right.
100% right.
Yeah, that's true, man.
For sure.
Let me let someone else speak, to be honest, because I think me and Bull we fucking eat
all the minutes.
Luca, how are you doing?
Hey, hi guys, hi Ben, hi Bull, how are you doing guys?
We are doing fantastic.
I think we are underwater, I would say, both of us.
But we are happy, we are good.
We are trying to stay positive.
We are trying to stay...
We like... We like to scuba diving,
we like to scuba diving with little oxygen. I swear to god, but honestly seeing the love and
respect from the community that all that matters, you know, because we lost a lot of money before. We made a lot of money before.
I think it has become a normal thing for us to lose and make money.
But when you lose a lot, when you're trying to really just help and, you know, make something meaningful, it hurts.
You know, like, we still have feelings.
But, I mean, I don't know.
Like, Bull, maybe he agrees with me.
Like, we're trying to detach our emotions from money when it comes to trading.
Just to keep saying, because, and I swear to God, like, you know,
I can make a million now in one hit, and I wouldn't feel satisfied as I thought I might be, you know?
I was just like, well, there's seven numbers in there,
and that's that because, like, what would I do with that much money anyway, you know?
Yeah.
And I don't know how Bull feels.
I mean, like, we're close, but it's just sometimes you really want to think
to be successful other than anything else, you know?
Especially when, like, me or Bull mention a coin.
We want people to text us and say, thank you so much.
Like I made money.
That's what we need more than anything else.
Because launching a project and paying other KOLs to pump it and sell when no one knows,
like it's very easy thing to do.
It's really, really easy to make money on this space.
But making it on the back of other people who might need those few hundred dollars
because there are thousands of them and you just take their money,
it doesn't really fully, you know, like, satisfy us and me personally, you know?
So, I don't know, man.
I feel okay.
I mean, I'm trying to feel sane, you know? So, I don't know, man. I feel okay. I mean, I'm trying to feel sane, you know?
Like, just not to get too emotionally attached with what's going on on Twitter and these projects and whatnot.
I mean, I don't know.
Like, sometimes I just want to create something new, you know?
Like, fucking crazy tokenomics that no one has done before and I want to launch it.
But then if you launch it and it doesn't work, people will always tell you,
oh, you fucking ragged us, you scammed us.
I'm like, I spend more money than you can ever make on this shit and I lost it all.
And now you come in and tell me, I ragged you, I scammed you.
No, I lose money more than you on any project that I actually talk about or get close to.
actually um talk about or get yeah close to anyway i mean like like in my opinion like on certain
But anyway, I mean.
point uh when you let's say first example when you don't have money you want to break bones do
whatever unethic whatever you need to do just to make money then you have the second option you already made money by business by doing like a fair job
whatever and then in my opinion the money it's not enough like you can be offered to get another
million but you don't want it because you understand that the money isn't everything
that the people that surround you the values you bring in your heart, in your mind, this is what makes you, in the end of the day, happy or peaceful or in the opposite
or like in a bad mood, right?
So I believe people who understand success and have success in their life,
they understand these basics.
That's why you guys want to build something.
And about the building
and about what was bull and you are talking education the space like that
we want to educate the space like it's really important like first what we do
with children like we educate them how they talk how they should behave and
everything right so my real question is how we educate the space
to be more
eligible, to be like more
not so decent, right
to be more stable
for other investors who are not so
decent like us, to come to
crypto, start spending money
in the crypto, so the crypto
adoption can be bigger and bigger
like we need to educate people
right that is true that is true yeah yeah we'll continue sorry i was gonna say like education is
a must you know it's a vital element in in anything in the world you can't do you can't
fucking drive a car if you don't educate yourself on how to drive a car. You need to go and learn how to drive a car. You can't fucking cook an egg if you don't know the basics of cooking.
Like, you have to educate yourself and others in order for you to master
or just use any of these daily use, like either trading or cooking or driving
or like literally anything.
You need to educate yourself on how, on at least the basics of it, right?
But the problem is this, like, how can you, like, what's the main reason why people come to the blockchain?
Like, okay, the blockchain is a whole ecosystem.
We're talking about cryptocurrencies, meme coins and how to make money, how to trade and all that.
It's, we have to be very honest with ourselves. That's number one.
We are here to make money. I mean, again, like you can only, like look at what you said about like when you know the money is not everything. You only know that when you make money.
You only know that when you make money.
You can't have a poor person telling you money is not everything.
You have to have money for you to say money is not everything.
Only rich people can say that.
And I'm telling you this, as much as it might be controversial,
but if you are poor and you don't have money you cannot say this sentence
and i think i think this sentence money come by happiness is a sentence created by rich people
for the poor people to use to feel good about themselves so they can keep working for the rich people that make more money
money is essential money is very important in our life it makes things easier
oh so true man am i gonna give you a million dollar now and all of a sudden you'll be happy
of course you will be happy you have options you. You can go on holiday. You can go on a
vacation. You can buy a new car. You can buy your wife a new tits, sorry, a new jewelry, whatever
you want to do with the money. You know, you have options, you know, but when you don't have options
and you keep repeating money is not everything, that's not real. That's a fucking lie. And again, I always say this.
For us to move forward, you must be truthful to yourself.
You must be honest with yourself.
Why am I here? What am I doing in this space?
If you make money, you have the right to say this sentence, money is not everything.
But will money make you happy or sad?
That is subjective for two reasons.
As I just said, when you have money, you have options. When you have money, you can try things that you haven't tried while you were poor that might change your sentiment, might change your
mood. I mean, maybe before, while I was at university, I couldn't fucking afford to go on nice vacations.
You know, I couldn't.
And I never thought, OK, well, going to the fucking Bahamas will make me happy.
I never knew that feeling.
For one reason is I could not afford it.
I could never afford going to the Bahamas.
Now that I have money, I go to the Bahamas.
I'm like, fuck, that feels good.
So make money, guys, first, then decide later what you want to do with your life.
But money is essential. It gives a human options to feel things. That's my take on money.
I mean, see, since he was talking about education, okay, you have to just learn one thing only.
So you come with this industry with, like, let's say $100, and you make something out of it.
Take whatever surplus you made out.
You know, just take it out.
And restart with whatever you brought in.
You know, it's the best way to do it.
Otherwise, if you are, like, you know, compounding your gains and stuff, eventually you will give it all back.
You know, like this is how this industry works.
Why the bull market?
When the bull market comes, first they make you money.
I always tweet this as well.
First they make it money, make you guys money, and then they take it all back from you.
It's just that.
So just make sure that you just don't give it back.
It's just that.
You know, and when you have a decent amount of money,
you change your strategy.
Like, for example, you made money on memes.
It doesn't necessarily mean that all the bigger amount,
you keep rotating back into the memes as well.
Take it elsewhere.
Buy Bitcoin.
I mean, yeah, it's less volatile,
but you will not even lose it all as well.
And like I always say, the only thing which you need to learn is how to get a grip on your way of thinking.
It's the most difficult thing.
That's the most fucked up part, that you lose control of yourself.
You revenge trade.
Like I always say, if you lose money or if you make money, take a break.
Take at least three to seven days off.
Let your brain catch up to your
new net worth, you know, and then you'll be able to take better decisions. If you have made big,
like I always say, you made like, you know, $10,000 with a thousand, you will not respect
the $9,000. You will absolutely annihilate gambling here and there. And you will be,
you know, back to $1 one thousand dollar you know i maybe lower
than that you'll lose that as well because and then you once you come down to the gain thousand
level you'll be like you know what fuck i had ten thousand dollars i could have done so many things
but here i am i just bought dog shit and it's not even pumping and shit you know so don't do that
so if you did it once with xyz amount of money you can always do it twice with that XYZ amount of money.
Make sure you cash out, you reward yourself.
It's like you did a good trade, go out.
Go out for the nice dinner, everything.
Just appreciate yourself because nobody else will do it.
Your parents don't know what kind of fuckery you are into.
So if you're making money, appreciate yourself.
If you're losing money, talk.
Seek help.
Talk to people.
Talk to crypto guys.
Come to these kind of spaces and tell your problems.
And be honest about it.
You don't know me.
I don't know you.
And it's like you're eating from your own place.
I'm eating from my place.
We are sleeping in our beds.
So what we can give to each other.
We can just give hope to each other that if good
times didn't last bad times won't last either and uh we got each other you know that's the whole
point otherwise even i mean i believe these days animals have more humanity than us you know that
i mean they fucking cry when they gather if something happens we are becoming very emotionless
you know we are like okay no crying in the casino and stuff.
Okay.
We don't want to educate people.
Yeah, we do fuck up, but it's okay.
If somebody come tell us that don't worry, bro, you got to make it.
It's nothing.
You did it once.
You will do it again.
I'm with you.
Even if you're not going to give any shit to anybody, show some support to people.
You won't lose shit by doing that and that's
the thing which lacks motherfuckers you know what you tell somebody a problem you know what and then
they start judging you they're like huh you fucked up i'm printing you fucked up i'm printing no
fucker come down to the same level and try to be honest with this with your situation i guess when
we are honest with each other we have longer way to go but if
you're like you know what boys i am printing hard you are stupid you know this kind of business
model never works yeah this is what people expect from the community leaders and stuff
and once we have that trust me we'll have better days so be i i started to change. I started like, you know what, I need to be that
person. If there's nobody for me, the same way I want somebody to be there for me, maybe I have
to be there for people. And eventually, universe, bless you, and everything, it's like karma shit.
If you are there for somebody, eventually somebody will be there for you. You know, and like I always say, you get rich,
not by your fucking skills, you know, not by, you know, divine intervention you need. And that only happens if you fucking take care of some random guy on the street. I always used to give example
that, you know, you go to a gas station, you fill your fucking gas, somebody who's putting gas in
your fucking bike or car or whatever. Did you ever give him like, you know, let's say double the amount of the fuel?
We never do that.
When it comes to giving, we are like, okay, we give people based on their job.
You know, we're like, okay, you know, five bucks is enough for this guy.
You know, when we see somebody rich, we try to buy expensive gift.
That motherfucker don't need your expensive gift.
Okay?
Try to do reverse psychology thing.
Give a big gift to somebody who can do shit for you in return. Trust me, your life will change
the minute you fucking do it. You know what? A couple of things I tried. I mean, there was a time
I was $750,000 underwater on an AVEX long or short. I don't remember. I went to get my car washed.
Okay.
And these guys were washing my cars.
$10.
That's what all those four guys take to wash the car.
And I gave them like, you know what?
$200 each, four guys.
And the way they looked at me, you know, I just kept my eyes down.
I was like, fuck.
And they're like thanking me, thanking me, thanking me. I was like, guys, it's nothing. It's totally nothing. I went home. I took
a nap. I woke up. I was $380,000 and plus P&L, you know, from 750 negative, you know, to fucking
380 positive, you know, because every human being have a fucking universe in them. You know, it's like, you know, you just have to look people from that perspective, you know, and do like, you know, help non-crypto people.
Trust me, they will fucking, you know, the gratitude they will feel towards you, you know, that will alter your fucking destiny, you know.
But crypto guys, you give them thousand1,000, $10,000,
motherfuckers will burn that money up again
and come again.
They're fucking so entitled.
Gambler motherfuckers.
Pick a real price.
I swear to God,
give a thousand bucks
to a fucking random guy
who is cleaning the streets,
washing something.
And he's not expecting you
to give him anything.
He's just doing his job. You give you know that that surprise which you give him universe will find a way to
surprise you maybe the next shit you buy goes to a thousand x you know try to fucking you know do
things this way and trust me your life will change try it try doing it today and when we do a space
like tomorrow after tomorrow tell me what happens tell
me what happens just try this way of living your life well done man well done i
you know why i i i apart from being a friend i love this guy so much is because of this you know like there are so many acts of generosity and and just being a human really
makes a huge difference and and that's why um probably you know bull bmb on fucking his tweets
and his spaces but you know like i know him a little bit more than that and these things that
really brings life to me you know the people that think this way man
like go out if you can't afford 200 just give one dollar to someone who's washing your car or just
on the street just this kind of acts and i swear to god it will make you so happy and satisfied
because you know we get sucked by this industry we keep checking our phones chasing charts
looking at the fucking green candles getting the the excitements then getting so heavy-hearted when
you lose money and you forget that there is a whole fucking word outside your phone
go interact i want to i want to tell something i want to say something one last thing and then
probably it'll rug the space okay i don't know which religion all these people follow but i
think everybody must have must have heard about moses okay so i'm going to tell you a story okay
so moses once upon a time he was just walking and he saw one guy he had absolutely nothing he had no
food to eat and he was like moses you talk to right? Why don't you go tell God that, you
know, give me whatever is written for me till the very end of my life in one single day. Okay. I just
want to like, you know, see what God has for me for all my life. And Moses said, okay, I'll go talk.
And he went and he spoke to God and he was like, you know, this XYZ guy, he's saying,
whatever you have written for me for all my life, give it to me in a single day.
God said, okay, wish granted.
And, you know, the same day, the guy, you know,
have all this food and fruits and everything.
It's so abundant.
And then his wife says, you know what, this is so much food.
So what are you going to do with it? It's going to get destroyed the very next day.
So the guy was like, you know what, just distribute to all these people, you know,
who are living in the same street where we are living, you know, and maybe give it to them,
them, all the homeless and all the hungry people. He give it to them. And Moses saw him, he's having
all the homeless and all the hungry people. He give it to them.
his life. The very next day he goes, he passed by the same guy, and he sees he is having the same
amount of food and he's distributing to everybody. Third day happens the same thing. And then Moses
goes back to talk to God and he'd be like, you know what, didn't you just give that guy everything in a
single day? Why is having more and more every single day? He's like, you know, yeah, I gave him,
but he kept on giving to all these other people. So all these other people, whatever they were
getting, you know, they were destined, I'm giving back to him as well. That's why I guess the concept
of charity is that, you know what, when you give more and more you know you keep
getting it's just that charity never makes you go broke you know and sometimes you're not even
doing charity sometimes you're just doing like you want to get surprised right you want you want
to buy a shit coin you want to take a trade you wanted to go 100x or in profit that's a surprise
you know you buy something you go do your chores, you come back, you're like, fuck, this thing is flying.
That's shock.
Learn to give that shock to others as well.
Did you ever give a normal person their salary in one single day?
Try doing that.
And things will just fucking be astonishing for you.
And that's all I wanted to say.
And by the way, you can actually verify this story.
It's not like a made-up story story read about it and you'll love it you know your faith in whatever the god you believe in thanks for sharing yeah thanks for sharing i just want to say one story like from
my life with my daughter if you want to hear if you have like one two minutes more time yeah go ahead go ahead say that and then we'll rock the
space yeah so basically uh we was at the lunar park with my daughter in one town and he saw she
saw like one dragon train which is going like up down circles and so on and she said dad i want to
sit in the in the front where is the dragon head right and i say
okay why not and when we come i saw that it is maybe 100 people before us so it's like what is
equation that we will be the first one right and i say okay i will let you do your thing
maybe you know more than me and we just waiting and we are moving moving
and uh like about 10 11 people were in front of us and that was the line where we are now going to
the train right and i say to myself it is not possible that we will be in the first like
where is the head because we are 11th from from the start. And I just keep it like, okay, I will not say anything.
And the people just started to go, they started to release them.
The people go and what happened?
Everybody was sitting in the back and the front was like open.
And one guy go and wanted to sit in the first like where is the head but he just stand up go to
the second and my daughter have the pet in front of her open to sit where she wanted so she sent
the wish to the universe like the clean pure heart wish and it happened like the clean, pure heart wish, and it happened.
Like the chances, everything go away, and it happens.
So the point of this story is when you really, really want something in your life with the heart,
the universe is connected, so it listens to your emotions.
That's why it's really important to be...
Like mind needs to be with the heart, and heart needs to be with the soul connected so everything is telling the same story so it is powerful how
we can see by kids what we are capable of they are big teacher kids are like less corrupted with time
we get corrupted and we stop believing in miracles and stuff.
I do believe, like I always say, there's a universe in every one of us. And God is not somewhere like on seventh heaven. It's right within you. That power you need to change everything,
it's actually resting inside you. You just need to trigger that spark. And with that said,
thank you so much guys for the amazing space. We will definitely do
it again. Thanks for having us, man. And thank you, Ben. Thank you, Kelvin. Thank you, Luca. And thank
everybody for coming and listening because I guess these are the spaces which actually can
make a difference. If one person actually learned something from this space and do good,
maybe he'll tell the story to his kids. You know, I guess life purpose will be settled. Because honestly speaking,
since my heart attack and car crash, I don't like expect like, okay, 60, 70 years old, because the
minute you are in those kind of situations, you know, you just start thinking, okay, what you
have done for your life, you know, like, okay, you're going to die. Will you be, you know, the next thing will be better or no?
Because you know what?
When you're lying in that bed
and you're waiting for the next morning
to get treated and stuff,
you know, your life kind of like starts doing
the flashbacks and stuff.
And well, next time I'll be in a bad situation,
I'll remember this place that, you know what?
At least I was trying to make a difference
with my boys, of course. And yeah, we'll be rich, you know? Eventually I don't want a bad situation. I'll remember this space that, you know what? At least I was trying to make a difference. With my boys, of course.
And yeah, we'll be rich.
You know?
Eventually, I don't want to die poor.
And I don't want anybody else to die poor.
So yeah.
With that said, love you guys.
Ben, you want to say something last?
And then before I wreck the space?
Thank you very much, Bull, for this beautiful space.
Thanks for your advices.
Just being kind the way you are.
People will learn a lot of things.
And just talk about it sometimes.
If you have a problem, you can always come to this space.
I'm trying to do this with Bull on a daily basis, every morning,
coffee, cigarette, crypto talk, you know,
just because we know a lot of people get wrecked.
And we receive a lot of DMs. I receive a
lot of DMs of people losing a lot of money and again you know like I don't even want people to
get to that situation in order for them to actually send a DM. I know how he feels you know
like I've been there before and I try my best to you know like get people to avoid that kind of
situations and I think think bull bmb
the same maybe more than me um receiving all these dms so yeah we're here guys you can talk to us
probably anything too we learn from you as well i swear to god i learned from the speakers who
come on board and and say the experiences i learn a lot that's why i love to do this with bull
um yeah well thank you very much uh enjoy your weekends guys there is a
lot more to life than this space use this space for your own benefits it's a casino there's no
cry but sometimes you can make things work for you rather than you just lose and get lost in the
middle of everything thank you very much i love. And I'll see you whenever Bull decides to open another space.
All right.
Take care, guys.
Have a good one.
Bye, guys.
Bye, Carman.
