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Coffee with Captain from @dGenNetwork
Recorded: June 9, 2023 Duration: 2:37:53Space Recording
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gpt last night and immediately started speaking to it so she's ahead of me where i'm still typing
into chat gpt she she's asked can you give me some good recipes and she's already off and running
with chat gpt and i woke up this morning to find her putting honey in her coffee she's replaced
the refined sugar and creamer so two w's here and uh visiting my mother she's uh she's like i she's
she's embracing this technology and staying ahead of the curve so we have we have cap over here um
converting and doing a hard sell on his mom for mr benjamin's honey so watch out for that um
just an absolute shark uh always a salesman which i appreciate i was talking to someone recently about
you and talk about like your um your uh your your quest for 100 news that you and your friend would
have which was always interesting when you were doing sales and and how that uh i think shapes
a lot of people i'm trying to remember who i was talking to somebody who i hella respected but
no gm everybody had a pretty pretty cool i can't i can't front run it but i've got a really cool
um friend success story regarding that particular individual that you're alluding to
um it's not public yet but i'll share here in the upcoming months that's a teaser right there
no it's um it's it's good it's uh it's it's good it's it's a actually i was gonna say it's good
it is a sad friday to be honest in um the world of crypto and nfts uh i can't say that i'm super
thrilled uh with the binance news that binance is now uh pausing the withdrawal of usd the um
we're going backwards and not super thrilled about that so i want to touch on that a little bit um
i know dow jones you're out there i was gonna mention um you had mentioned yesterday you know
has anything happened with these caa deals or any of these uh deals that nft brands have done
with agencies and my answer is not yet for those who don't know artifacts signed with caa that was
interesting you know step in the right direction but honestly i think not that it's a nothing burger
but it's it's probably my guess is for product placement in movies um so that people in movies
are wearing artifact shoes um you know they seated the shoes with lebron which i'm sure helped
but for me um you know i i do know and i know dow you know this because you work in the in the biz
um but you know movies take a while and so if people are working on productions of movies or
television signing with caa at least as of current probably isn't going to um do very much right i get
like it's gonna take time i remember when we signed with di giorno with one movie and it took a while
so um i don't know and circles it's pausing withdrawals or deposits i thought it was the latter
expecting banks to enforce the former i believe they said they are pausing withdrawals i'm going
to double check on that now that you say that circles but i am understanding as i understand it
finance is uh pausing oh halt star deposits you are correct um i knew they were anticipating some
um thank you for the correction i knew they were anticipating some pushback from banks so
uh anybody who's uh kind of worked with uh crypto and banks will know sometimes your bank will flag it
if you get a withdrawal from an exchange and be like what's going on here if you're depositing you
exchange they flag it um so you know there's uh my bank does not get upset when i put money into
jackpocket to play the lottery though uh with like the six dollar fee or whatever it is so um that
happens but i figure i put six dollar fee because if i win a hundred million dollars i'm not going
to care about the six dollar fee but uh no you're right they are pausing deposits that is correct
uh from usd at least as of this morning which is again it's going backwards it's unfortunate
um it's you know again i i do believe in time this thing works itself out but uh at the moment
it's it's a little bit frustrating um to see what we're doing and again it's it's it's a
potentially a boon for other countries to be more crypto friendly because yes i know people see crypto
and they think of crypto as sometimes you know as he said like it's full of hucksters and scammers or
whatever that gary ginsler said but it also is incredible technology and using that incredible
technology in a positive way is you know something that can be done but unfortunately it's a uh we're
in a situation with the you know government where they're pushing it away and other countries are
going to pick up slack they're going to give regulatory clarity they're going to let companies
operate within them and sort of get theirs and um it pushes innovation elsewhere which is a scary
thing because the u.s has been a leader in innovation in web one the u.s has been a leader in innovation
in web two the u.s uh should be a leader in innovation in web three and you have companies who are using
blockchain like starbucks like nike like reddit um and you're kind of asking them to not right i mean
that's that's sort of like you're asking them to do things in a different way and that's you know
that's that's somewhat worrisome so that's kind of on my mind this morning uh something we were
talking about an alpha afternoon yesterday with mina and the crew up there uh about how we can you know
organize any sort of like political action like calling our senators or whatever that looks like
you know and you got a great script by the way i kind of was it okay it was okay i made it up on
the spot so i i'm sure there was point to refine it if i wanted to but um you know i'll get into
that a little later on the show as the room warms up so do us a favor again give us a like a retweet
a gm in the bottom right hand corner um that way we can uh that way we can get a bigger room and kind
of chat through because i'd love other people's takes on how to handle when you call your uh congress
person and i kind of impromptu jumped on an alpha afternoons yesterday and gave my take on how i
would approach it personally but would love to hear how other people are approaching it personally
because i i had a thought it was um and i'll probably repeat it again later in the show i guess
but like you know circles um was on stage and said what would i even say when i call my congress
person like oh hey how's it going i want to talk about crypto and i think we all know that when
you call your you know or when you talk about crypto with friends it's not always the most
comfortable conversation my recommendation and again this is not perfect but we talked about you
know potentially refining it was something along the lines of hey uh so and so my name is you know
this i live in your district um i do this so tell me you have a normal job so it's not like like we
said we want people with like normal jobs who operate above the level so like we don't want
venn.e is calling on this right we want normal people so hey my name is so and so i work here in
your district and i just want to call you and uh let you know i i've seen the recent lawsuit uh with
the sec and uh gary ginsler uh against you know finance and coinbase i personally have put money in
and out of coinbase for the better part of five years um i always pay my taxes on it i never have
issues with that i always pay back taxes on it or i spend my taxes on it um and you know i've paid x
amount to the government because of this and you know i do see this as a great technology there's
companies that i use regularly like starbucks and nike and reddit who are using this technology
and i really would encourage you to take a hard look at what they're doing here like something along
those lines and the idea there is to establish yourself as a normal human being right because
you know as weird as we are with our animal jpegs in these twitter spaces it is a very normal
sort of um you know they're normal human beings here who go to normal jobs who are just interested
in the tech or they're interested in the financial aspect or whatever it may be um you know thing
number two is to kind of establish look i'm on the level um you know we people jump through incredible
hoops to pay crypto taxes because there's not clear um uh clear rules and again the idea is like to let
your sort of congressperson know that this is actually good for them in that sense and that
you're in their district and you know if enough people call on that it starts to you know potentially
tip to say hey like you're if you're not doing something about this it potentially puts you at
a material risk uh for your constituents so i don't know that's my hope is that we can do something
like that and potentially organize something like that but um i got to think about what that script
looks like and um you know i was saying you know if anybody out there is friends with politicians like
or or knows sort of some people of political power so like i thought about mayor suarez in miami i know
has some connections in the crypto space how do we you know does anybody know those people and if they do
uh can they get their advice on sort of how the best way to sort of uh pitch them is because i think
that that's they're gonna know better than anybody else obviously how to convince them to you know
to make a decision or what they want to hear what's convincing or what's not what seems like
bs what makes sense so um so that said that's sort of something that we had talked about yesterday in
alpha afternoons i am you know pretty i don't know i'm pretty i'm pretty i'm pretty bummed this morning
when i read that binance is just like whatever like you know they can take their ball and go home and be
the world's largest exchange and coinbase is sitting here left to fight but it's just a shame
when you look at the video and you see coinbase you know going out there and you know basically
saying we met with the sec whatever it was 34 times or whatever the number i don't have it in front of
me um and they're sitting there saying you know like we you know asked for answers we asked for
guidance we turned down exchanges we tried to follow the rules and where are the ones who are
bringing brought to a head it's frustrating um it's frustrating to hear it you know it's like
how do you if you're trying to do everything by the rules uh make it work so definitely something
that i am um you know i don't know something that i've been thinking about this morning especially
with the finance news which is pinned up at the top um while you're at it again as always give us a
like a retweet a comment down in the space if you have thoughts on the sec gary ginsler or anything
else you want to talk about uh let me know uh web3 stoop i'm sure will be coming through to talk
about celebrating some wins um gm clouded i see you out there rdl every single morning one of the
first ones in here john's always around brit good seeing you dow jones gm spence teacher katie uh
joey val see out there doing some imams oh gross joey vowels rose ski bike in 30 minute oh that's um
that sounds absolutely terrible um so gm k crypto mayhem all our good friends out there
how we do it sassy hamza and with that said i'm gonna go gm over to average andy gm addy
gm gm guys uh this has been a while i've kind of gone over a roller coaster of uh
emotions obviously with all that news coming out but the most interesting thing to me you know i'm a
quote normal guy dude i'm pretty average you know um but i'm an electrician uh and i've started prior
businesses to this uh and a whole bunch of trades right and uh being a business owner it's super weird
that they always fall back on this when it comes to crypto that they're quote protecting american
investors which i thought was always a really interesting way to put it because i can start a
business for a hundred dollars and then take out a quarter million dollar loan with no backing to it
and completely like wreck your life if you're you know really not careful with it and like they're
not planning to protect those people but when it comes to suit their wants um it seems to always you
know the whole house of cards comes out so super weird um not obviously a huge fan of it i hope there
are other players that are going to step up in the space um you know i think juno finance is doing a
great job i think coin coinbase is going to be fighting the good fight you know i think it's
just going to take a lot of these guys unfortunately a lot of hours and time in the room to figure it
out one way or another you know so sucky situation but uh hopefully they get it all figured out before
we all have to move outside the united states yeah it's it's kind of concerning right it's like it's
like it feels like not that like i mean it sounds like crazy when people like you know if i told my
friends you know parents or whatever why are you moving from the united states and uh or my kids
friends parents and i'd be like well you know cryptos you know being right you're being effectively
having it's a war on crypto yeah i know cloud had called it that and we were like hey let's not
use that term because i think normies will say um oh yeah i'm for the war on crypto because it'll be
uneducated but i mean if that's the case it's like this is my job this is what i do i have financial
interest here i have you know business interest here and there's only so much you know i can
operate within and it's it's a scary thought to think that they're gonna push that out and if i
want to continue to work in startups around the you know i'm gonna have to move elsewhere around the
world it's just it feels very much like the antithesis of what america is kind of supposed to
be not to be kind of corny but like you know you talk about like the land of opportunity it's like
and you know freedoms and it's like nah except for that we're gonna take that away because it's
just that part sucks like to think like can't i just do the job that like i'm doing everything on
the level i'm paying my taxes i'm working as you know hard as i can it's like it sucks to think like
okay like that's that's something that i've been it just sucks to think like they're like yeah land
and freedom except for that that part we're gonna not let you do and you know when you look at
you know generally like the idea is supposed to be like we sort of you pay taxes we protect you
from staying out of harm and you know we look out for you and that's sort of the deal that you strike
with the united states government and in this case it's like just these weird oversteps um there's
just so many things that i just i don't know it frustrates me um i see chris hodl out there the
fundamental difference between binance and coinbase coinbase has pursued clarity to operate while
binance is not that's true then you know and as far as i can tell they're being treated the same
which is is part of the problem i have right it's like i understand them being like binance
they you know cz like they poke the bear they don't mind right they'll you know they they say
certain things they shouldn't say and do certain things they shouldn't do coinbase has operated
cornbase is a publicly traded american company that was another thing i had in my little rant yesterday
when i was saying it's like hey you know i have money you know i've traded on coinbase for five
years uh it's a stable american company that is publicly traded like something like that just to
be like how ridiculous is it that we are currently doing this um so i think there's probably something
to be said there you know mina and i talked about should we have like an article that gives people a
script to call um shout out tom thomas for saying um my two cents senators and opposition candidates
should be approached it's a good point especially as we approach elections um letters are good but
uh letters signed by a thousand constituents are the ones that get attention it's all about
continuing to remain in power and both of the above impact this it is interesting it is something
that we could you know again there's there's got to be some way to sort of canvas and organize
the right people um it's just it's hard and it's hard to organize crypto especially because a lot
of people are you know respectful of privacy so they don't want to go out there and just
be you know telling everybody you know where they live what they do so it's not quite as easy to
um just go out there and get a thousand signatures and support a crypto and you know honestly like i
don't know that i want to go knocking on um every single door to say i'm going to hey do you want
to support crypto too uh to my friends family and neighbors so i don't know it's it's a rock and a
hard place um it's definitely something i am not super excited about reading this morning
as you wake up on a friday like this and uh yeah there's uh definitely some some frustrations
i think uh spilling over for me this morning but that said stoop we'll kick it to you uh gm sir
uh guessing you are up here to talk a little bit of wins of the week i mean steve look you just said
it you said you're frustrated you said that you know this whole thing is just getting on your nerves
i mean it's important to step back it's important to celebrate wins right like we got to raise our
vibrations especially on a friday as we're going into the weekend i do believe this is an amazing
conversation though we do need to continue having this conversation i know i've talked about this
and i think even with that uh there's a house bill right i believe i heard cap talking about that
or when he was on the coinbase space when i was listening there's a there's a bill they're actually
trying to get past and i believe like when we call i know we want to talk about what sec is doing but
unfortunately i don't like they're not elected positions uh so realistically i think it would be
one of the congress uh uh chairs or uh one of the uh committees that would have to kind of like
reign gensler in and even when we watched him a couple weeks ago in that interview or or uh before
congress uh on digital assets he kind of was able to weave his way through so i think calling about
what gensler is doing is a little bit difficult but i do believe calling in support of proper crypto
regulation like sharing resources on on what is happening uh in and around the crypto space and
especially on the the regulation front i think maybe maybe a lot more helpful and effective in what
we're what we're talking about here but uh yeah i don't want to forget we got to celebrate wins i hope
everyone uh is having a great day happy friday my win this week is that i'm closing in on 2 000
followers i started this account like three four months ago at the beginning of the year
and it's just been slow steady growth i'm loving it i'm here for it uh and i'm just like figuring out
how am i expanding what am i continually doing i i've enjoyed doing this basis for so long uh but i
think you know it's time to continue expanding i'm looking at video content or like going over to
instagram or something so uh yeah that's kind of what's on my mind but steve i know i heard
captain's win but uh what is your win this week it's a good question i have to think about that
one it's been a bit of a wacky week um kind of a heavier work week one of those weeks where i've
felt myself um you know it's it's we're coming towards the home stretch of finishing this book
so um not and not like there's going to be a couple more rounds probably but um i mean our
editor looked through like the first like 50 pages of it and when i say 50 pages i don't mean like 50
um 50 sort of book pages i mean 50 word doc pages which is probably like 100 to 120 actual pages and
was like all right we're pretty good here um working on the next sort of 25 to 30 which again is another
60 to 70 here and then right after this show i'm gonna pop on and keep editing through that to try
to get some stuff done and then i have to rifle through some starbucks stuff um to finish out the
the week so i don't know i think about like what i would consider i guess my win of the week would
probably be my daughter uh graduating her you know from her my daughter graduating from her way into
middle school from grade school i mean you know it's weird time flies having an 11 year old is weird
um you know spent a lot of time with them both of them this week which has been really great
um you know my my son last you know last week not exactly one of the week uh turned nine so just a
cool uh cool time to be a parent i mean i have a not you know again a nine-year-old and 11 year old
and it's it's it's a really good age and i'm you know happy and grateful that i'm at an age where i can
talk with them or i you know i ripped some dragon ball packs with my son yesterday and
my daughter and i hung out outside and went for a walk and there's just like all these wonderful
things that i can do with my kids that you know it's fun having babies and it's fun having kids
who are two three four because you get to see them grow and get to see like the changes on a regular
basis when your kids start to become little humans and you can like you know when my son can like kick
my ass and super smash brothers like that's fun um and when my you know my daughter kind of you know
she and you know the other thing that's kind of fun an unexpected surprise so mrs nft bark is the
president of our local pta at the school um she did all this endless amount of work this year for the
kids for the school for the teachers and when uh my daughter um she had a thing to you know she had a
reading speaking part at graduation little did my wife know so my wife was tearing up because there
was a kid previously uh in her class and this boy and he was talking about how you know doing a thank
you for his you know the person who came in and helped his his homeroom this year and he was like
oh also she's my sister and he went up and gave her a big hug and whatever and you know my my wife was
tearing off how sweet is that little did she know that you know basically closing out the ceremony
would be my daughter who would you know thank the um you know the pta and the president especially her
mom and then came and gave her a big thing you know flowers and a hug so i caught the moment on
video somehow she managed to keep it secret for my wife while she practiced with me and with others
and so that was nice i had to hold the secret for way too long that was what i told my my wife i'm
like that's that's the shitty part is my daughter came to me and told me about it like months ago and
i was like okay so i'm supposed to hold this secret for like two months which i'm pretty good at
keeping secrets but like meanwhile my wife is stressed out and all these things and i'm like just wait
you're gonna be so happy when this happens so um so that's probably my win of the week daughter
graduated uh from and is on her way into middle school uh family is you know healthy and happy
and just enjoying the week with my fam so that's my win of the week hopefully my win of the week will
extend into tonight hopefully i get my way through the better part of this book get it over to my editor
i would like to have a lighter work weekend if possible that would be really nice um probably not in the
cards but that's what i'm shooting for is is if i could have a work weekend that's a little bit
lighter this weekend so i could actually get some housework done enjoy some time with the family um
that's what i'm shooting for so uh that's my win of the week stoop appreciate you bringing it up as
always um and uh yeah i hope your your day and your week weekend uh continues to go well and uh if you
get a chance to pop back up you know what we're still if we're still going always welcome
um joey voles i saw your hand fly up go ahead and get in here gm everybody uh for those that
uh have a crypt toys account and purchased a star wars holocron there's a giveaway that ends at noon
today for a ultra grail of luke skywalker there's only a hundred of them in the collection if you go
to the crypt toys twitter and you can register for a chance to win because i know a bunch of us are
star wars nerds and bought a bunch of those holocrons uh so make sure you go register so you get a
chance to win one of those ultra grails uh my win of the week was this morning i i'm not a huge cardio
guy i've been slacking on the fitness uh yesterday's talk about all this like 420 month and sprint tries
and it was a gross disgusting imam in my hot garage this morning of uh echo bike rower and skier for 30
minutes but felt great so that was uh that was my win of the week nothing else really i mean it's
pretty standard week i'm gonna jump in here and say that i'm one of the week is getting mr joey vows in
the war room oh that's right i i that is a win too i am officially in the war room at dgen i am very
excited to be there it was a long time coming um it's a it's an amazing community welcomed by all kinds
of people but yes that was also a win of the week um i thought we were doing like outside stuff so but
yeah i'm really excited about that um and then real quick on the the coinbase government stuff i think
you know if ever we we've seen that we need like a fundamental change in our government it's it's
starting now like the absolute fear for technology it with the with the the government officials that
have been in office for 30 40 50 years you know it's ai it's crypto it's blockchain like they they're
just you know and i don't doubt that gary gensler isn't a really smart guy when it comes to the
blockchain and crypto but let's be honest he's a puppet okay he was an appointed official that is
simply carrying out the wishes of the democratic party and there's a lot of republicans that are against
crypto too i'm not making this a political thing right what i'm what i'm talking about though is
that we need a we need a fundamental change in like why why why are you told at 65 years old
you need to retire because you're no longer of working capacity physically and mentally but yet we've got
you know we've got somebody like uh what's her name being pushed around in a wheelchair
i can't think of her name she's been around since like before world war one or some shit
in government you know but that's okay right like it just i'm not picking on them because obviously you
know my grandmother was amazing and lived till 95 but i don't want my grandmother making decisions
about my finances you know like it's just it's a completely different time and it's never going to
change unless we put term limits or we put age limits or or something and and i don't know if
if you know we the people have the power for that right like that's something that has to happen
in the house and the senate but if we elect people who support that and enough of them get into office
then we could potentially see that change because the younger generation we are the future you know
and i say younger like i'm only 42 right like we i'm still the younger generation like i grew up with
with technology to a certain extent and we just we need more forward-thinking people in government
and that's the biggest thing is and if it was up to me i would get rid of the two-party system
because i think it's uh it's antiquated and we need more options than two but that's a discussion for
another day yeah i mean the the two-party system thing is an interesting one it's the same concept
as the electoral college where people get upset about that and i am not super opposed to electoral
college or two-party system only because um in places that have majority vote and places that have
a multi-party system what you can see is you can see people who uh effectively like you'll have if you
have like 10 candidates run and it's a majority rules no electoral college multi-party system
you can have somebody win with like five percent of the vote if there's enough people based on the
majority rules and so you want to be careful about um you know like like the system actually works quite
well in that sense that even if it is the lesser of two eagles in a lot of sense and we ended up going
down a rabbit hole i actually don't think the problem is the system it's actually the bug is the people
within the system is my general feeling on on it um because the electoral college is amazing i don't
i don't want to get rid of the electoral college electoral college exists to represent so that way
the the smaller cities and states are represented fairly in government because if you look at the
united states population something stupid like 90 of it lives on both coasts right like nobody lives in
in the middle of the united states and i don't think it's fair yeah i don't think we should do things
by popular vote at all like i would decide who the presidents are like that's essentially what
people talk about when they talk about getting rid of the electoral colleges yeah i think joey to your
point i think we need to get younger like congressman i just i do got to pop off but i just want to say
like especially on that i think we need to get younger politicians because we have a president that's
what like 75 we have congressmen i think the average age is like 62 like we have people that are
deciding things for people that are in their 20s and and like we we watched them interview mark zuckerberg a
couple years ago and they entirely botched that interview i mean we had uh tiktok on and they
were asking you know can you connect and and read my wi-fi information like it's just i think we do
need to like get in younger people so that we can have more educated conversations around this technology
well the other problem too is can i get in here yeah real quick josh because i gotta eat breakfast
sure uh and i'm gonna listen anyway but real quick the other issue too is is like i jokingly like a couple
years ago looked what it would take for me to run for like florida state representative or whatever
the amount of money that is required for you to raise in order to even submit yourself as a candidate
is absurd like the fact that like you are required by the laws of either the state or the u.s government
to raise millions and millions of dollars to even be considered to me is also a fundamental issue
like why do i have to go out and raise five million dollars to even get my name on the ticket why can't
i just bootstrap knock on doors and be considered so i think that's also a huge issue is what they
require from people financially to even be considered a candidate sorry josh no i i'll go to josh i'll go to josh
in a second i'd say um that's um you know fair fair i think fair point i think the system like i said
the system itself uh is a there are problems within the system itself but the other thing i was going
to say is like to be clear and i i hear what y'all are saying i personally it's not that i'm in favor
of like hey get rid of people of a certain age i think representing the general population is what's
important when you're hiring for a company or when companies have sort of like best hiring practices
one of the things they do is they try to make sure that they are representing the general population
at large so you want to make sure that you are actually like you have the proper amount of people
of various you know races genders ages because that's how you're going to run the best possible
company you want age uh age gender thought uh ethnicity diversity because that's how you're
going to have the best possible you know run the best possible um business so the fact that our
government doesn't run the same way is something that's wild when you look at sort of average age
it is not representative of the general population when you look at sort of you know just general uh
demographics of our congress versus the population it is not a match and that in and of itself is a
problem because you know yes they are supposed to listen to their constituents we've seen that it's
not a matter of listening to your constituents oftentimes it's about voting along party lines
but that is definitely a concern you know that i have from because i'm i'm not the most educated
on government politics and i'll admit that and that's why i look to people who will tell me the
correct things but i do know how you know companies run hiring practices and that is something that i
think the government could benefit from as far as representation but josh i'll let you jump real
quick steve if if we happen to get rugged i think we're fine i've driven this route hundreds of times
i know exactly where the hard handoffs are in the lte towers it just hit me though that the new phone
is on the 5g ultra wideband and i have not driven this route yet so if in fact we get rugged this
morning my apologies in advance steve will spin up a new space so if the space shuts down look for
look for steve to spin up a new space yeah josh i'll go to you though i appreciate you hopping
i see you put i talk politics in my bio so that means you probably know better than anybody on
this stage so get in here uh except for maybe chris i'll actually give chris some credit there but
uh gm josh get in here yeah so you joey steve you guys said a lot of great things um let me give
some alpha about politics so i ran a u.s congressional campaign um i'm friends with an investment banker on
wall street who's friends with george w bush's son um if you look at what's what's happening in
politics in in our current uh in in in our contemporary world um there are no two parties
they're two branches of the same tree um so if you if you want to there i mean there are two parties
but it's all a facade to make us fight each other um so that we don't see who the real people are
that's pulling the strings um and you know my friend andrew yang um he said once he was like
if you want to know who's controlling you it's people who want to keep making money or people who
want to make more money um and uh so when when and you guys are 100 right you know why we're not
we don't have representation in government but that's by design because the older people tend to
be connected with the people who have power and they will do their bidding um and uh so so yeah
but if you guys have any questions um i've definitely been in the space for a while um so i can answer
pretty much any question um and then i'll say i'm a decentralizing politics um eliminating political
parties um by letting candidates go directly to voters and letting voters interact directly with
candidates uh my pitch deck is pinned to my profile so if you guys are interested there's my shameless
show but uh yeah no right on it's uh i appreciate the uh the you know expertise of course and uh the
perspective because like i said that's not really my personal jam i am uh you know i my brother is a
political reporter but um i personally am not the uh the one to have that uh i don't have that
alpha as far as what the uh political spectrum looks like i always end up going to him for
any sort of advice what he does and you know kind of getting information from him and uh he's pretty
actually down the middle which which is helpful because he um he won't really uh play the game of
uh you know one party or the other party he's pretty good about it but generally speaking no it's it's
good to uh good to get some some perspective on there let's keep running through hands uh i see alissa
popped up which is always always a nice uh nice treat so i'm gonna go alissa then chris and then
we will probably uh we'll keep going through hands from there alissa gm gm fam how's everybody doing
um i i got all fired up i popped in and i was like ah here's here's a big cautionary tale for
this space in general and it carries over to many things when we start disregarding people because of
their age we throw the baby out with the bath water because you throw away years of experience
it's valuable and we've seen that in web 3 where we've assumed that people of a certain generation
of a certain age don't bring necessarily value because we categorize them as boomers or they
don't get it and i think that there's a big distinction we need to make when we talk about
age even when it comes to politics and and business you're absolutely right steve representation matters
for everybody 1000 percent but being well informed is far more important than how old someone is
i someone who's 19 years old can make themselves a subject matter expert on something and be well
informed but if you take that same level of subject matter expertise with a 50 year old person who's
been doing it for a long time history gives them lessons and experience gives them lessons that a 19
year old won't have and that doesn't mean that the 19 year old sucks it doesn't mean the 50 year old
sucks it just means that there's different experiences that lend itself to to being well informed so i just
want to be cautious to not throw the baby out with the bathwater i'm pushing 50 so like let's be
let's just remember that and i think we tend listen i'm tired of having 90 year old men 80 year old men
run the country too like trust and believe and i don't care what party they're in um we have a bigger
problem and i love what um whoever just spoke i'm sorry i was a josh but josh just said that it's not
of two parties as a one party system i've been on this bully pulpit for a minute that when it comes
to crypto when it comes to finance when it comes to this world we're in web3 people who are regulating
this industry are not well informed we have a ton of career politicians that are in office that don't
learn about anything before they cast a vote about it and we get to decide whether or not they stay in
power we have a vote and we have an entire population of people especially web3 that don't want to
talk politics they don't want to vote they don't want to be involved in political process because
we're all about decentralization and all this stuff but the bottom line is sometimes you have to work
within a system to change a system and um josh i i love what you're talking about about um i'll check
out your pitch deck because frankly i really think that the key to changing how our political system
works is publicly funded elections and 1000 term limits uh you should not be able to make a career
being out of being a politician unless you jobs and also i tweeted this as well if you show if you're
an elected official and you don't show up for a vote absent like a medical excuse just like in the
work environment you should lose your job this entire concept that you can be elected to represent
people and not show up into your job is absurd and i also think that bears with the same exact thing
of not being informed if you're voting on something and you have no idea what the hell you're talking about
like if you're we witness you at a congressional hearing asking questions about how wi-fi works
absolutely should be on a performance evaluation and you should lose your job
um that's me going off on that but you know what folks we love decentralization we love this space
fucking vote vote and if you don't feel like you have anyone to vote for then it's time to start
hitting the ground running and going and talking to these elected officials and these people running and
ask them how informed they are and if they're not well informed start speaking out about it
undone speaking thank you i agree i'm with you alissa and that's why i was saying like when it
comes to representation i don't i actually don't think representation is like when i hear people say
like oh these people are so old and this and the other i get it like i understand to a point when
you know at a certain age it's it's you know whatever but like that's why i was my point is
diversity of representation doesn't mean that you're getting like rid of you know people over a
certain age it just means that representation of the population as a whole is something that
you're missing right like that's that's at least particularly for me personally my point is like
i don't you know think it's bad if you have people who have it it's one of the reasons why and this
isn't a political statement i'm not trying to get in a debate over it but i always found it funny when
you know people talked about you know when they'll like the whole concept of like drain the swamp that
we had a couple elections ago when it's like when it's your positioning and being like oh i'm a
washington outsider it's like you're positioning not having experience doing the thing as like a
positive which i appreciate the rebranding there but like it's not really necessarily a good thing
like i wouldn't go to a mechanic and be like i want you to fix my car and then then be like okay
how much you experience well i i'm i'm an auto industry outsider i've never fixed a car before but
i'm the person who's gonna get your car up and running it's like well that doesn't sound very good
and so i don't think that should apply to how we run our fucking country uh in general like i think
like how you run a country like putting someone in charge who has no idea how it works having somebody
meet with heads of state who doesn't understand the you know law and international diplomacy is not good
so i do think experience is good the other thing about it is the part that pisses me off and again i
totally agree with everything josh said as far as like the you know the idea that like you know we're not
like it's sort of like not really a two-party system it's a one-party system people who want
more money more power both and like i agree with that right like i think that that's generally the
feeling i have and it shows with like how congress interrogates people you know they bring in somebody
to represent like facebook for example mark zuckerberg went in there none of them when we
when we are on this show i'll say i don't understand something and i'll ask my lawyer friends
or other friends that i have on a particular subject to say can you come up here and educate me on this
because i don't understand it and i ask genuine questions and i learn and i've changed my mind on
this stage multiple times because of it right cap has we all have when you go in front of congress
it's like they're grilling you they're a bunch of lawyers asking lawyer-like questions isn't it true
that no offense alissa isn't it true that or you know like those sort of things that i hear like i can
hear my dad when his lawyer days like when my dad would get annoyed with us and we would do something
wrong or if i got caught with like weed or something and it was like my dad started asking
me the lawyer questions like in that lawyer way and it's like those are the um that's the things
that you hear it's like well you're not trying to learn or make an educated decision you're trying
to get a soundbite that's going to make it on you know fucking cnn and fox news and that's the
frustrating part to see so i just i get i get i get i get drawn uh i get crazy from him but i 100%
agree with your points number one it's not about getting rid of people of a certain age it's about
having proper representation of the population right number two and that's how we're going to
have the best possible country number two agree get out and vote like i vote every single chance
i get at every single election right it's like every doesn't matter if it's local whatever you
know every two years it's just i am there voting um because and i'll i'll try to look into like who i
support what i want to figure out right and so i think there is opportunity there we probably do need
you know better candidates the problem is it's like it's such a hard system it's like yeah you
can elect somebody who you think is really good right that one person is like trying to like put
a band-aid on a hatchet wound it's just a giant systemic problem that you have and that's the
thing i think i run into but chris i want to go down to you uh i know you're pretty educated on this
type of subject as well so chris on his drive into work gm sir gm gm uh can you hear me okay
yeah it sounds like you're not and you're driving to work which is like a change okay so good um
uh alpha for everybody because i'm on a i'm on a bluetooth uh uh uh earbud right uh i use a beats
product but if you go up into the right hand corner you swipe down on an apple phone and you switch to
voice isolation i'm driving i'm driving down the road just like i always do in the same place as i
always am so um that that may be your alpha uh from me this morning but you turned on voice
isolation or you turned it off no turn it to voice turn the mic mode to voice isolation
are you talking about the three dot menu in the top right no no no and in the apple in the phone
menu so if you go on uh i have a 12 pro if you go up to the 12 pro in the right hand corner
everybody follow along with me you'll scroll you'll flick your thumb down in the upper right
hand corner kind of where it shows your battery and then it'll show like your kind of your dashboard
of all the things you can do and the upper right hand corner it says mic mode and it'll say standard
voice isolation or wide spectrum if you select uh voice isolation uh that's how you get to where
i'm at so i would love i would love if hodl just after that just goes and i'm done talking like he
literally just came up to tell us that and that was the end of it go ahead chris uh no i appreciate
it uh i've been i've been playing with it uh with uh you know with a couple of people because i'm i'm
trying to always learn uh about you know technology because and that kind of that will go into my second
part of my my comments uh my first part is i want why would i i have mine on by default i'm curious why
would you turn it off why would you want ultra i don't understand why you what would the other
why would you even use the other two options i it may have to do with the type of microphone or type
of uh interface you're using uh for it i don't i don't know or some compatibility issue i haven't
done that much research it's literally push button can you hear me now is this better push button is
this better and then that that's the live voice testing that i was doing uh with my other friend
steven uh you know who i've known for a very long time so um that there's your alpha for this
morning it might be the best that i've got uh but i want to go back to what uh web3 stoop was saying
and honor uh uh you know wins on fridays and uh i it's a uh you know and it kind of relates to what
we're talking about this is a tough space any new and emerging technology any new and emerging
industry and platform it is very difficult especially in a modern world to uh to incorporate
it especially when it becomes when it's financially based uh and it's really uh it's really hard to do
it at the speed of technology and to make sure that everybody's informed and we're doing the right
things and so it's we're still here right that's my win we're still here we're still doing it it's
going to be a long road this is not going to happen overnight this is not a pumping up technology this is
here for the long run and so because it's here for the long run we've got to stay in it for the long
run and i agree with just about everything that everybody has said so far about being involved
citizens in your country of choice right this is an international stage or has been an international
stage in the past um and so you get to vote with your conscience you get to vote uh and have
influence in your particular party in your particular political system and we as far as i know generally
all get to do that um and so we should we should take a step back and have the perspective that we get
to contribute to that and we are contributing to that and i would encourage everybody to contribute that
um okay great uh i'm gonna parse my words here on the on the on the political thing a little bit so
it sounds like i'm doing it i'm doing it on purpose because i have some professional responsibilities that
i have to maintain um so my father-in-law is a state representative or a particular state and i've
talked to him a little bit about crypto legislation his state uh is not one it's not very big state and
it's not one that you would think as being pretty progressive um but they they do a pretty good job
constitutionally balancing their budget they do a good job of uh learning about and adapting
new social and technological changes uh and kind of identifying them but it's a long process
it's bureaucratic it takes a long time it and it's very important and he gets calls from constituents
all the time and letters and everything else to reinforce what their positions are and that
he represents them every day in in all of the um you know congressional or other you know
representative duties that he has and so i've talked to him a lot about it trying to get some insight about
how do we how do we approach this and he doesn't have our twitter account he's not going to come up on
spaces and tell you like because he just he's very down to earth and private that way but at the same
time it's really what i came across from is it takes a while right nothing happens overnight especially
with technology that changes as fast and especially on the national level and so we can uh and i think
it was joey that was saying about like we don't really get a vote about gensler because he's appointed
not elected but that's not true he is a point because he's appointed and approved and confirmed by
elected officials we as the people do get uh an impact we do get a vote because we can call our
representative and uh you know congressperson whatever the case may be and say you know what
you sit on this committee or subcommittee and i don't like what this is doing and here's why and
here's what it looks like and here's right there's all sorts of things that we can do
to have an impact on that and so we like i'm grateful for that i'm gonna do it later i get i
get that right just as much as everybody else on this stage regardless of your nation you know there's
obviously some differences there so i would just i just encourage perspective because it's very easy
to lose and it's such a fast moving space everybody have a great weekend the sun is shining hopefully
you're not getting all of the smoke and you can get outside and touch some grass and and enjoy it
chris huddle i would say uh if your father-in-law is a representative for a state if you could send
him a message on behalf of joey vows and web3 stoop and just tell him he's old that would be helpful
um and uh that would uh that would be great if you just say you're old and we need you need to retire
so he is old he actually did not campaign and get elected until he was after retirement after 65
and he did it because he wanted to still he felt like he still had the wherewithal to go and make
a difference if you talk to him if you knew his background you'd be like there is no way that that
guy is going to have an open mind about anything and you would you couldn't be more completely opposite
of the truth so don't like do not judge a person we we encourage diversity we encourage acceptance
we encourage you know not judging a book by its cover whether it's a person's skin or their beliefs
or their appearance like let's let's carry that all the way and and we can not like a particular
politician or a particular elected official uh because of their actions because of their behaviors
because of their voting record but when we lower it to their gender or their behavior or their beliefs
or their skin color i would argue that we're probably not doing any better than what we say
we're trying to impart uh or or encourage and push forward so um yeah he is an old white guy he is 80
um but uh i would i would say most of the stage including myself like we would struggle to keep up with him
um so just uh just some more perspective for you maybe that's what i need to change my handle to
his perspective total john all right thanks y'all have a great weekend can i can i comment on the age
thing real quick since a couple people said something so my comment regarding the age thing is that
there are always outliers your your um i think it was your grandfather you said or is pro is an outlier
right but when you look at the majority of the people in our government that are over the age of 70
or sick even 65 they're not educated on the technology they're not educated on ai and crypto and blockchain
and they're and that i think is the concern right because that generation is is the way like the way
they even handle money like you talk to somebody who was a baby boomer or who lived you know during
world war ii the way they they they talk about money is so different than the way money is talked
about today because it's very different like you ask anybody in in the older generation they're going
to tell you oh yeah buy a house and blah blah blah blah blah yeah but houses were 30 grand back then
houses have gone up 128 percent in the last 20 years when income has only gone up 28 percent
right so like there's a fundamental difference in the way people over the age of 70 think about
things unless like your grandfather they take the time to actually educate themselves and get caught up
to speed and right now in our government i don't see that happening with people of that generation so
i'm not saying every old person should be thrown out to trash i don't i'm not saying that at all but at some
point we do have to have some standard of like mental capacity what is going on like like to me
it's ridiculous that you get a driver's license at 17 years old and you never have to take another
driving test why don't 70 year olds or 65 year olds have to take another driving test to make sure
they're capable of driving right like there's mental decline that happens at a certain age so if we had
a standard of people that in our government that once you hit 65 let's say okay no problem you want
to run for office great we're going to need you to take this test cognitive physical and let us know
what you know about what's going on in the world to make sure that you are actually competent to run
the country that's that's i just feel like that's where the miss is not just strictly age it's all
encompassing when it comes to that age i don't and i don't even think it's necessarily all of all of
can i push back yeah go go ahead chris i probably was gonna go a similar direction no no go go ahead
no no go go go uh give me about uh a minute of air cover then okay i got you in a minute of air
cover i'll let you get back in here chris uh and maybe we're going different directions i think
i i think part of the problem i see because i think your frustrations joey are related as much as
anything i don't think everyone anybody has to be an expert on everything i was just talking a bunch
about this yesterday where you know we run this space every day and nobody can be an expert on
everything uh and so you know that's why when i'm talking about you know board a yacht club or
you know in you know leading communications disciplines at companies or you know there are
certain things that are very much in my wheelhouse i've done in a lot of research on you know the
history of um you know on a sort of nfts and what they can do for businesses i feel pretty good
when i've written a 250 page book with a really good you know one of the top editors potentially
in the world with a you know large company that is you know or with you know penguin publishing
which is one of the large companies in the world and we're getting close to finishing it i feel
confident you know somebody the other day challenged me like what makes you qualified to
write a book i'm like homeboy for a year i have been doing tons of research and hours of it i feel
qualified there right as far as like being able to talk about it from an educated perspective like
how businesses can enter entities when it comes to certain things i don't like politics i said this
morning i'm not familiar with the workings of the government like i should be probably but that's
okay because i bring on people who are and i think joey similar to what you're saying i actually don't mind
you know if chris's you know father-in-law is serving or anybody else as a i mean god bless him look i
mean if your retirement plan was you're gonna go take one of like what i think are some of the worst
jobs in the world of like being like these like you know congressional leaders and like i the
president's like the worst job in the world to me but like if you're gonna go do that like that's cool
awesome enjoy good for you like as long as you're open-minded and so i think like to your point joey
it's not even necessarily like taking a test of proficiency if they understand how like laws work
and the things you're supposed to do they're great if they understand government great that's what i was
saying before about saying like i don't have any experience being like a is a bug not a feature
but i think openness to learning and listening is what you need versus trying to get a soundbite to
get on television which is what we see a lot but chris i'll talk toss it back to you to respond
uh joey so i'm gonna push that pretty hard and know it's out of love and having a good dialogue
but if we're gonna have an entrance exam into being an elected official um there's some significant
problems with that and i'll i'll i'm just gonna leave it there i agree with you that
yes they should be informed realize the depth and breadth of the issues that all of their
constituents expect them to be experts on all the time that they expect them to be informed upon
all the time it is incredible and i'm just talking at the state level my father-in-law's
just a state representative just represents a very small population uh within his state
oh i think we lost hodl at the typical same spot where he loses weight hold on let's see do we lose
you at your same spot chris he might be pulling into uh the this has happened before this is not a
uh on uncommon occurrence we'll see if he comes back we're gonna give him uh exactly one minute uh
max before we go to a sponsored update by minify and then continue to go through hands as we go through
but we'll see if chris gets back to a spot or if um i don't know the government uh maybe the powers
that be agree with joey and they pulled the plug on chris hodl i guess uh it would see you would
think it would go the other way you think joey would have been taken out by a sniper
if it was actually the aliens i will be honest that's what happened we go back to the aliens
discussion from the other day uh let's do this um chris hodl appears to have been rugged uh
so i think he's he's pulling into to work where uh god bless him for everything he does
appreciate it always uh you're good well i'm i've got some funny shenanigans occurring on my end so
just psa reminder everyone if we do rug here steve will fire up the new space also jake from
mintify wanted to give you a heads up if this shuts down look for steve he'll get his spun back up
hopefully no issues but i i was kind of going in and out there as well maybe it was just hodl and i was
i'm being a little too uh paranoid but um i think also after 90 minutes of political discussion this
morning we may have to rebrand the daily mintify market update to the daily palette lens but
i'm here for a great discussion appreciate everyone's input yeah i'll be honest like
actually like before we we'll go to we're gonna go to mintify then we'll keep running through hands
i actually want to get uh i'll get a good saucy and first after mintify just because i know saucy
uh always good seeing you on stage it's been a while actually no i'm sorry i'm gonna go tammy
then saucy because tammy's been waiting a while and then we'll keep rotating through hands but
first we're gonna go mintify daily sponsored update jake um give us your hottest political
i'm kidding i don't want to put you in a bad spot jake gm how are you doing gm gm yeah i'll refrain
from making any political comments um i will say the this uh this nft market today feels quite degen
um let's let's go through this real quick the nft volume ethereum actually pretty much everything
down except for matic ethereum 13.5 million down nine percent bitcoin 3.4 million down three percent
solana 1.1 million down 21 but matic 2.8 million up 32 percent the top trending by volume mutant apes
9.4 down four percent captains 8.9 also down four percent i believe they did mention that um i have to
see whether it's this is confirmed uh that when they drop their token they'll also be dropping a um
a brc20 token i need i need to check on that and uh lastly azuki 17.5 eth down 0.4 percent
the top trending by sales at senders 0.0043 down four percent this is the section that really feels
degen dink's 0.01 up 154 percent and psyop gang 0.003 down at six percent all of those uh pretty
low floor prices compared to what we usually see the biggest winners impatient tiger social club 0.85
up 185 percent goofy's 0.021 up 51 percent and reaps 0.085 up 45 percent the market news
proof partners with bado to give collective and moonbirds holders access to the project's art
curation mechanics i was reading that thread earlier looks pretty interesting foundation launches
dynamic nft pricing 10k tf teases their upcoming mid-july battletown event magic eden added bitcoin
domain inscribing on its uh on its platform a kid called beast reveals the production of an animated
series with calidor media group and blockchain media inc lens protocol raises 15 million dollars
to grow decentralized social media brian armstrong's coin sale just one day before the sec complaint is
probably just a coincidence i saw one of uh your guys replies yesterday it was captain or steve i believe
uh definitely looks like it was scheduled uh you know in advance finance u.s suspends u.s dollar
deposits and will pause u.s dollar withdrawals on june 13th galaxy digital accelerates plans to move
operations offshore and the solana foundation disputes soul's recent classification as an unregistered
security that was in the the binance lawsuits i don't think anything was you know actually made
official it's all just alleged and the market stats global crypto market cap 1106.12 billion
bitcoin dominance 48.2 percent open interest at a flat 8 billion and fear and greed also flat at 50
with crypto sideways on the lows bitcoin 26665 up 1.2 percent ethereum 1850 up 0.65 percent
and the s p 42 93 up 0.6 percent that's all for me thank you thanks jake the uh the degening in the streets is
is interesting uh commenting on what you said related to brian armstrong's sale yeah if you ever want to
feel super poor uh and and just feel bad about uh your financial situation go to any executives publicly
scheduled uh stock cash outs and you'll just see that there's these uh regularly scheduled stock cash outs
and they'll just see like executives at fortune 500 it's like 500 000 1 million dollars 750 27 000
like just over time you just watch it sort of just slowly dissipate into uh and being like look
there's all this money i don't have so um you're right brian armstrong's likely um a scheduled one
the fact that people would think that he would be pulling any sort of shenanigans while arguing with
congress is also laughable in and of itself it's like he's not going to pull those shenanigans while
he's in this sort of position right now and these people uh who cash out i mean anybody by the way
he's repurposing those funds to extend all of our lives or at least attempt to so yeah so oh yeah
that's right you know yeah the other thing is he's telling him he announces he announces last october
that he was selling two percent of his stake in coinbase over several years so he sold like
yesterday his stock what he sold is like 1.7 1.8 million dollars worth he still holds like 1.7
billion dollars worth of coinbase stock and the this this withdrawals this this this liquidation
of his two percent of his stake so yesterday was like 0.1 of his stake is going into startups to fund
life extension and scientific research pretty pretty you know like to to create some false narrative
around someone who's doing that it's just it's just laughable yeah it's funny i was gonna say like
when you talk about like you know extending uh your life people probably thought you meant
crypto uh us being able to trade crypto no no he means literally extending your life so
um you know reset in the morning uh gm everybody uh do us a favor hit us with a like a retweet a
comment down in the bottom right hand corner uh continue to get the room warmed up as we're
chatting through uh topic of the day has been uh related to you know congress the regulatory issues
the things that we're seeing uh with coinbase and binance finance if anybody missed it um they're
pausing deposits from usd because of uh concerns around banking concerns around the uncertainty
and in the environment and it feels like we're moving backwards uh chris huddle gave us some
solid perspective of this is our ability to change things as a as a country we can we can make those
calls we can uh kind of call our senators we've talked about the uh opportunity to actually you
know how do we canvas and organize right like what does a script look like and again just earlier to
give people like a heads up just sort of top of the head script so i'm not don't quote me on this
something though if you were we've been told that calling is better than emailing emails get lost in the
shuffle but a call is better than an email so if you are going to call something along the lines of
hi my name is so and so i live in your district uh i am doing this job so you tell them you're doing
a real job you know again me calling would be a bad idea i'm the guy who's sitting in my basement
uh in sweatpants uh who is uh working in the crypto industry so i'm the wrong person to call but
somebody else call and just be like hey i work as a construction worker i work as a marketing
assistant at this company i've been using coinbase which is a publicly traded company for the better
part of five years i have paid my taxes i've paid this amount of taxes to the government on this
and you know i really think right now the regulatory environment could be favorable to this there are
large companies i operate and use uh i use nike i use starbucks i use reddit all these companies which
are great american companies utilize this technology so i implore you to consider having really common
sense regulations around it like something like that that is just a very reasonable way to talk
to a congressperson is something i would consider doing um just to try and get their attention and
similar to what was said in some of the chat and some of the other places uh call the people who are
challenging them this election cycle too because if it's all about getting elected and they get enough
calls they're going to care about uh what you say and how you say it so with that said i want to go down
to tammy uh let's go tammy and then saucy in that order tammy gm good morning um so interesting
conversation and i'm actually uh came up here to to say that i am on a panel uh for the u.s conference
of mayors um and i will be going and speaking to the mayors on uh blockchain and uh digital identity
cryptocurrency and everything that's happening here in the web 3 space um the president of the
u.s conference of mayors is uh hillary sheave and um she's out of reno nevada and uh she's put
together a panel um with myself mark beckman jewel and uh jewel the the musician um to talk to the mayors
about smart cities um and then i will be going and speaking to the national um national cities as
well i i can't remember the name of the the city officials but i'll be going to speak to them after
the u.s conference of mayors so so they are you know at that level they are aware that uh education
and knowledge needs to be taught um and so we are putting together a program um for the mayors to
onboard and uh find out exactly you know so they can understand at least have the knowledge and be
informed i like that so who will uh there's there's a joke to be had here who will save your soul the
answer is uh is is uh tammy and jewel basically i don't know nobody's gonna get that nobody i look i
think jewel makes uh amazing music first of all uh so i i am a big uh i was a big fan um absolute
banger after banger for a period of time but um but tammy that's super interesting so so you're going
around and having these conversations uh do you have have you done this yet do you like are you
i'm sorry if i missed this have you done this already so far are you just starting to do this i'm
curious what sort of does what the discussions look like that you're having um on the other side as
opposed to someone like you who's very informed on this side of things well hillary and i are friends
i met her a year ago here in web3 she's very involved and um in what's happening here so we've
maintained contact uh she was the vice president of the u.s conference of mayors now she's the
president so i'm actually a u.s country manager for medicampus which is a online learning platform
um so i speak a lot in universities and um with people in hollywood that are transitioning in
but this will be my first um presentation to you know in the politic politician world
no it'll be interesting i'd love to like hear about the experience or report back as you go through
it just because it's something that i think is you know it's good work and that's why i appreciate
people who are actually taking action about it right i mean we're here talking um we're doing
what we can but people have said you know like like yesterday cap said he got a dm from a friend
who was like oh you got to get your boy steve over to congress or this that and the other it's like
no no actually i i'm selfishly like it's a it's a lot of time a lot of effort a lot of money i don't
have any of uh those i mean i have the effort but i don't have the time nor the money to be doing
those and so um you know people who are actually taking it upon themselves to try to make a difference
that's fucking cool and i appreciate that um so i appreciate that you're uh you're kind of
hitting the ground and having those conversations because that's how these things get solved but
um you know doing my part kind of in the background from a you know editorial content sort of way
hopefully that'll that'll make a difference um saucy if you are still at a place where you can talk
would love to get you in here as well gm gm everybody yes friday although i thought it was
saturday so i was a little disappointed i have to say um i was laughing when you said about you
know the president how it's a terrible job because i remember when i was a kid you know looking at my
mom and saying i want to be the president typical middle child right i just wanted to boss everyone
around um and she looked at me because that is a horrible thankless job why would anyone want to do
that and i was like all right i'll just be an astronaut then or you know whatever else was happening
um but i know my parents always made it really important to vote um they always took us with
them to the voting place and i feel like and i'm you know a millennial for sure straight up but i think
that gen z like to everybody's point like they do not feel represented and a lot of them don't vote
although i think the last election they did and i think it's what i would like to do is if people
have suggestions like find a way to make it important to them um if they're not you know
they don't feel represented the only system we have right now is for them to vote and try to get
better representation but i feel like a lot of them don't see that and it does feel very far off
so i think you know that was something i had toyed with before the last election is maybe getting
together like some sort of non-profit to try to get them involved in it i talked to my friends who
are high school principals um and she said the only way that they're going to care about it is if you
had a kardashian or someone you know at the time that was important to them um so i think we need
to find a way to make it important to the younger generation or we're you know some it's going to be
an issue i think i don't know if other people have thoughts on that and also mintify always such a great
update it makes me want to quit my day job stay home and be a dj thank you yeah no i i think like
that's the uh when we used to do media training for our executives and people and one of the things
we had when we were talking about what you say to them is we would have this radio dial that said
with them w-i-i-f-m and it stood for what's in it for me and like when you're talking to somebody you
need to make it appealing to them and i think you know congress people are no different like you know
when you're talking to someone at a uh at a company like it's funny part of internal company
politics at a large fortune 500 or a multinational company is you basically need to say why would
they care about this thing and then you need to tell them why they would care about that thing
and need to make it so their job's easier or their job looks better or they're going to get accolades
all these different things it's really no different with like with people who are elected officials like
you need to explain to them why it is beneficial for them because even though their job should be
looking at why it's beneficial for the country they don't always do that very well so um i think you're
right and agree with you on the but i mean you know to joey's point about the um to be fair about
you know the point about like again i don't i don't think you have people who are carte blanche
you know judged based on age i think merit voting record etc is where you go at the same time i believe
last election we had the two oldest presidential candidates we've ever had and this election we're
going to get the same two in a row that's not great uh it's like just even the optionality is
something that i feel like we're missing but when you talk about what's in it for me well if the
democrats want to win they're going to put up joe biden again because they feel he has the best
chance to win if the republicans want to win they're going to put up donald trump again because
they feel that he has the best election best opportunity to win and so it's just it's a shame
because a lot of times it becomes a a team sport and you saw it even last election where maybe there
were better candidates or candidates that were more supported it backfired against the democrats a
couple elections ago i mean as i understand it from when i talk to people who are smart politically
everyone thought that you know they basically rigged it so that hillary was going to be the
candidate more or less right they made it so she would definitely get the nom and i'm not saying
whether i'm a fan of anybody or whoever but like bernie sanders was far more popular but hillary was
you know seen as the can't miss candidate well then she lost um and i think that you can see that
happening when you're trying to like set up this perfect winner or these situations and turn politics
into a team sport versus you know looking at the options of what we have and unfortunately we're
going to end up with the same situation where you know it's the old you know south park i forget what it is
it's you know something versus a shit sandwich i don't know it's basically two bad options um
that said let's go to let's go to andrew then andrea and then joey in that order um andrew gm thanks for
your patience gm gm see this conversation is a little bit circled back to what joy was saying with
all the great information he was dropping all the alpha he was dropping i think right now to be fully
transparent i think we actually live in the information age where it's so easy to get something
and kind of learn about something online youtube twitter wherever maybe your kind of i guess your
inputs and i think that everyone here has a responsibility to somewhat be more informed
and smarter than the prior generation before them for the reason that information is so accessible
and also people now are so accessible with their information as well and i think that everyone
should take the own onus to do to do their own dd and obviously learn more than the prior generation
agree i think it's fair i think that's i think it's like that we it's information has never been
so much at our fingertips and based on the apple vision pro will literally be in front of our fucking
face it's not a super hard thing to do i mean but with things like and that's why like i have like
some degree of confidence that while as we continue to grow up like i feel like our generation is more
willing in general uh to the generations that are outside of the the and i'm not saying this is the
ageist thing or whatever it's a generalization for sure which i shouldn't make but when you look at
like i think about my father's generation and my dad was almost to the point where he was proud of
shunning technology and like some of his friends i would see do the same now that might be isolated to
him and his group of friends i don't know but i feel like generationally zoomers and uh millennials
and down particularly um gen x i would say to an extent as well are a little bit more tech forward and
when you do the demographics at a company when you're advertising to them you see that millennials uh and and uh
it's funny because boomers actually ruined the environment ruined our monetary system ruined our
banks and all these things that are like why are you guys so upset and poor it's like well because
college is expensive as joey said and we're we it you know when you went to college it was you know
the cost of a um you know a a half price book and now when we go to college it's like you know
hundreds of thousands of dollars a year like the way that things have been set up are different even
you have situations where you had unconscious bias and things like red line districts where they would
keep certain people of certain you know ethnicities people of color outside of certain areas the best
way to establish generational wealth was through home ownership so you saw those things that played
out over time but when you find uh sort of gen z and millennials one of the things about it is you
see a bunch of companies that are moving towards social responsibility platforms and yes companies can do
bad can do good and there are passionate leaders who want to do good but guess what they're doing it
because it's good for business they weren't doing it before what they're doing now is seeing that the
research says as millennials uh come into the largest spending group and as gen z starts to
approach that as well they know that they care and want to do business with which they associate
and share uh ethics and perspectives and point of views with they want companies to take a stand and
that's why companies are doing this now and so it is forcing them into it so i'm hopeful that in the
future particularly as the generations that statistically uh care more about cause work start to age into uh into
those uh you know age forward that that we will see sort of the government go the same way that
companies are going which is they have to take a stand because people won't do business with companies
with which they don't share values anymore um especially as the larger spenders come into play so
i think it's a i think it's a good observation and the information is there and i'm hoping that as we
continue to you know grow into these uh new generations coming in the ones that grew up with the tech
um they're going to be more uh less adverse to to using it if i can if i can if i can kind of just
kick back really quickly again i mean obviously i've said this multiple times i'm 25 so i'm gen z
see if there's no reason why your kids who are a lot younger than me and obviously everyone probably
listening in this space there's no reason why they shouldn't be smarter than me by my age shouldn't
be smarter by you at your age the information is all there the experience is able to be learned
online and through people the accessibility is literally everywhere all they have to do is actually
apply the willingness to be and i think it'll it'll make a life difference but see to what you
were saying i'll throw mike back to you i i think that companies are not looking to younger generations
because they've now kind of seen from history itself as it's kind of not repeating but it's rhyming that
everything that is directed in terms of i guess new metas a new way and new kind of you know curves and
way things are adapting i think all of that comes from the youth facebook tiktok where do all those
things start steve to meet all the colleges the universities the youth and i think that the right
companies the right businesses are looking to that age group always will be because they kind of get
ahead of trends before i think the rest of the world does and effectively you want to build your
products for them especially now being in a digital complex whereas more back then it's probably
industrial i think those are the right target audience everyone should be looking at in this space
take it uh totally totally agree uh let's run it down to andrea then we'll go back over to joey
andrea gm gm gm happy friday i love this this uh talk i i signed on a little late and then when
i heard you guys talking about politics i said i gotta get up there so i'll start with prefacing this
that i'm a u.s citizen and i voted on you know for both parties multiple times i find myself to just
fall in the middle more often than not i am also from the great state of massachusetts that has
elected senator warren not once twice and she's going for a third term which is infuriating and
exhausting at this point as she you know really runs with the war on crypto but you know my first
point is that i think that when you have these more liberal politicians that are now sort of drawing a
line in the sand and supporting that movement i think it's doing something really powerful and it's
breaking up their base which is you know a lot of gen z millennials people that have crypto as part of
their life it's an important issue for them and are also somewhat socially liberal um so it'll be
interesting to see how you know obviously people outside of this space how much they weigh um what these
really hardline stances are are becoming um my other point is if you are leaning towards becoming like
you know not not necessarily a single issue voter but if if a politician's stance on crypto is in your
top five let's say i would really strongly encourage you to look at um robert kennedy jr's platform he did
the uh bitcoin 2023 keynote speech he's very pro crypto and you know from not i'm not giving any
political advice but but everything else i've looked at seems somewhat middle of the road and moderate so
i think it's worth a look i know that right now there's a movement to get the um the democratic
the democratic primaries to have a debate and he is running as a democrat and i think that you know
to have him up on stage and and actually have a debate so we can consider having other options
um is really strong there's petitions out there so if that's important to you i would also say
sign that and i'm done talking yeah i um i feel that i've i've actually there's a couple things that
that come to mind in there one i feel that i've voted for both parties as well and that's sort of just
my how i've how i've approached things i will say for me um i find it fascinating about like you said
dividing their base and we'll learn a lot about sort of the crypto native people my guess if i'm
guessing on them suddenly taking a stand is that there is data they have to support that this is the
right stance for them to uh get elected and that there's enough people who care about it that way and
it's less about like what the actual technology is and more about some market research that says this
is an issue that's going to help them get elected because it seems like they're taking a stronger
stance at least from where i i sit um than previously and so um i don't know like that's that's sort of my
uh that's my take i wonder what the research they have is that supports what they are uh what they're
doing right now um yeah i mean polling hard right that that kind of research and and we've seen it in
past elections and sorry i don't mean to jump back in but i'm just gonna make this point and then i'll
i'll step down but i think polling is really hard um and i also think there's politicians that
want to be really strong on sort of an issue like this and garner press as it leads up to the election
i really firmly believe that particularly with like the 45 and under crew once you start and i'm not
talking about taxes but once you start really towing the line of taking more control over their money
their pocketbooks their wallets in a way um it's it's really gonna hurt i think it's it has a real
potential of having an impact in um you know a very liberal candidate space yeah agree um and i and
no you're always welcome to jump back in i think it's um i think it's a it's a fair point it's gonna
be interesting to follow because i do think as time goes on again like what's gonna happen when
you know the way this technology is governed matters for large american brands like starbucks and nike
and other ones that start saying okay well this is what we want like is you know and they what
happens if they tell their customers this is important to you do you like this product well
then i mean if starbucks odyssey or nike dot swoosh were is you know three years from now and they are
absolutely you know crushing it and you know consumers are enjoying it they're like hey do you
enjoy that thing the government's trying to take it away from you um there's going to be pushback and
i think it almost has to hit that sort of critical point for us to be able to get to uh a point where
this gets solved because people need to have interest and care about it and uh congressional uh
you know people in congress need to actually care about it as well because their constituents are saying
what the hell dude so um i think it's a good point uh let's go down to joey joey go ahead and hop back in
here i think there's also one thing that we haven't talked about at all which are lobbyists and the big
businesses that are pumping money into politicians the u.s government like it you know it's a huge
huge like somebody made a comment earlier and i want to say maybe it was um uh the woman that was an
attorney about how um making a career or maybe it wasn't her i don't remember making a career
out of being a politician like the politicians are public servants that's like the category that
they fall into public servant right they they don't make a lot of money to steve's point about like
you know becoming the president or getting into political office they don't make a lot of money
right like i think the average u.s house of representative member makes like 127 000 a year
or is like the starting salary or something like that um and i could be wrong if somebody wants to
google it they don't make a lot of money right they're public servants but yet somehow all of them
end up with net worths 5 10 20 50 million and people are gonna say oh they do speaking appearances
they do they write books and blah blah blah they all don't do that okay they all don't write but
they're not all obama writing books and doing speaking appearances or they're not all the bushes
right that you know yes a lot of politicians came from money um like a lot of their family had money
which is to my point of before about how you have to raise something like five million dollars to
even be considered a candidate but lobbyists control so we we elect them as people right like
so we go out and vote and we elect them but ultimately what they choose to do once they're in
office a lot of the time if not the majority of the time is dictated by the lobbyists that are the
ones funding their campaigns funding their quote-unquote non-profits funding their initiatives
right so we can't ignore that whether you want to believe it or not money has a big deciding factor
on what these politicians decide i would bet call me crazy if coinbase was pumping a shit ton of money
into you know these politicians non-for-profits and special initiatives nobody would be touching them
right so and i could be wrong maybe coinbase is but i would think that if they were they wouldn't be
attacked so i think we we forget how much of an impact that lobbyists have on the decision making that
goes on in our government as well yeah okay i should say absolutely and and while i don't doubt
there is shady business that does occur and and it bribes and checks get stroked behind the scenes
i also think like to your
just high level point on you know someone making low six figures and you know this i i think like
there's good people that do it on the up and up i'm certain of that as well or near certain of it
i should say and it's like you you've obviously heard the you know the adage your network is your
net worth if you're a career politician you are meeting very powerful people in position to create
opportunities whether it's you know entrepreneurs or you know those lobbyists so when you exit office
even if you didn't you did everything on the up and up you would you would probably have to almost
attempt to not find yourself in a position of opportunity once you leave office so i i do i don't
want to assume or make a uh assumption that every politician that accumulates wealth after office
did it by doing something under the table i think it's it's logically they're they're interacting with
very successful very powerful people on a daily basis it's it's very easy to see a path towards
you know capitalizing on multiple opportunities once once they leave office
also steve i i haven't really like given much thought i don't have a hard decision either way
in the chat we've been just continuing this this idea of testing i i didn't realize it would be it
is it seems to be kind of a polarizing topic and it's just an interesting thought to me i'm not saying
like it should be a requirement but like the the analogy i used was like you know the nfl does wonder
like testing before they draft football players coming out of college because they want that information
sometimes a player tests horribly and still gets drafted in the first round but but the team still
has that information fully acknowledging very slippery slope if we start incorporating any sort of testing
whether it be physical or cognitive or mental testing but it's i didn't i guess i i didn't and i
respect the the opinions of elissa and hodl two individuals i hold the utmost respect for i just
didn't see or i'm struggling to see the downside of maybe it's just voluntary an example i use if all
things are equal i have two candidates i can't decide between and one of them discloses a physical
and cognitive test results showing that you know physically they're in shape you know they're that
you know anything could happen they get hit by a bus tomorrow but they're proving they you know that
their their vitals are strong they don't have you know terminal illness you know i i just i i struggle
to see the downside with that information and i i get like it maybe it shouldn't be requirement
but but i as a voter i i would prefer to have more information than less than i i am i've heard some
speak of this i'm sure that's why i probably got up and i almost wonder if this will be one of the
topics of the upcoming the election cycle yeah i mean i don't know i i i i guess i see it like if
it's voluntary right but like it's also i don't know like you can like someone can run on a record
pretty well to me it's like you can run on like what your record is you can run on what your um
you know what your you know history is like things you believe in things you're going to do um i i'm not
sure like i mean i don't know i also don't like cognitive tests because like look i mean i'll raise my
hand like i'm not like the smartest individual i think i'm just open-minded and listen to other people
who are smart and i can formulate opinions from that like i don't think if i were like being asked
like are you required like i got a 2.9 at a state school bare you know barely got through my freshman
year of college um wasn't like a stellar student in high school and i like didn't do like oh i did
pretty average on standardized tests based on those i prop and yeah i based if you release my tests and
people just use those against me i don't think people would be like hey this is a good guy to write a
book about nfts like i don't think i would have gotten that opportunity but like scott who's my
co-author who is a big brain like harvard business professor went to harvard business school like
just absolute like genius right like he's like oh i like what this person says and the way they think
about things and their passion they make sense to co-author this article okay they make sense to
call this book like so i think like i know there's other things that go involved but i get worried
about like things like that that could potentially point people in a direction that very fair that
makes sense you're right and i'm not saying like someone who tests well or you know they're a you
know they're a physical freak their peak physical form does not certainly make them the most qualified
elected official and it could very well skew the results in their favor on unbiased you know with
with bias to something that like it doesn't it doesn't mean you're you know your ability to bench
315 pounds doesn't have anything to do it's like what what are we actually looking at and i get it's
a very very slippery slope i just i don't know it's i think it's a really interest interesting mental
exercise to like i i think i i don't know maybe it is like to your point like i you know platform
maybe hey here's my results here's my credentials here's what i've done in politics here's what i've done
proof of my physical health right it's so it's just maybe something that we see more offered up
not as a requirement but i'm i'm wondering if we see it as part of a uh package from from those that
do test well in those areas yeah and i think um i think like that it's potentially a package that
someone could offer up if they want to for sure but the thing is if if it wasn't just a bunch of
theater i think this is exactly what things like debates and town halls are supposed to provide you
with it's just they're so overly orchestrated in such theater that it doesn't go well right
it's like you know in theory like you're supposed to go to a town hall or debate and be like oh i
just learned like when when you know you when i interview someone when we interview julian
hoogland from from doodles and a lot of people don't know who he is and i ask him about his
background and he tells me about his background and i ask him about what he plans to do that's the
opportunity for everybody to leave this space and say holy shit i want to go von front and go say i want
to go buy a doodle right that's what happens when you have this right that's what it's supposed to
be unfortunately it's become this big scripted town hall full of talking points and what people
want to hear and all these things but my my gut is like what we're describing here that we want to
see from politicians is exactly how the election process works it's just as a society like we don't
pay super close attention to it um you know and we're not super locked in on like what like looking
at all of our sort of local leaders myself included by the way i'm not i'm not you know exempt from that
critique and the actual act of it is sort of like this giant piece of theater where we don't actually
get to dive deep so i think that's my concern is like i think what we're describing that we want from
people i don't care about an aptitude test i want to know like the things that we want to learn about
what people know about the subjects they're governing can be simply asked in a town hall which exists for
people who are elected officials and it should be table stakes to do a town hall it's just as a
country we've become apathetic when it comes to voting we become apathetic when it comes to the
uh the process and just like i generally look for self-accountability across things i do i would say
there's self-accountability here that myself included i'll raise my hand i don't know about y'all how many
town halls did you attend for your local elected officials whether it be on the sort of the local city
level your state elected officials in the state level your uh country-wide elected officials from your
state uh and how many did you attend uh for you know the national level how many did you watch for
the national level i mean shit i barely even watched the full debates um even though you know i mean now
they've been they've truly become theater so i watched to see what the fuck's gonna happen but
that's like a kardashian type thing last election cycle but like that's what you watch the debates
because of your your uh your what do you call it your fetish for reality tv exactly like you know like
i like my trashy reality tv and uh the debates last year were they were electric um but i think
that that's that's the thing is like i will say this as much as like we're critiquing the congress
people themselves i i mean i don't know like alissa said it earlier get out and fucking vote like that
is your ability to change the system in a way that you want to or you know get involved in the process
it's exhausting but if we spent the amount of time look at us gift moments it's here it is june and
steve's steve's going to get out and vote uh speech this is this is uh uh pain's gonna have
fun finding clips on this one today i'm basically like bill clinton ripping the saxophone it's rock
the boat baby um but it's just i think like this is like this is part of the thing is like i you know
i try to go down we live in a self-custody world in crypto let's go to self-accountability for a
minute and i do like to look in the mirror in these things and like even though there are problems with
the system there are problems with the officials there are problems with how things are being done
again i would say my guess is i'll look at this space is 129 people my guess is very few of that
less than 100 certainly uh i mean less than you know uh more than 100 have not certainly attended
a local town hall or or debate and i would say more than 100 have not attended one for their state
representatives so it's just like there is a self-accountability if you want to get informed
and understand it like that's the way to do it the amount of time like we spend knowing the deepest
sports statistics or about what you know shit coin floor is like pumping on the weekend if we really
wanted to make a difference we could have that same level of rigor around politics and i'm i'm not good
at it either i get it like i'm raising my hand as part of the problem i'm just being honest about like
there is some self-accountability for us to have in this space as well and not just be like oh the
elected officials are the worst there are things we can do about that um joey get back in here then
we'll go to mackie so to i don't know if everybody remembered what andrew mentioned about robert f
kennedy but you know to your point steve um robert f kennedy is pushing to have a debate with joe biden
and any other democrat candidate and the democrat party is not allowing it to happen they joe biden is
not going to debate our robert f kennedy so we're stuck to your point of robert f kennedy just doing
his his rounds and and talking and joe biden doing his rounds and talking and they're not going to
debate each other and to your point again about town halls and debates they're all rigged gone are
the days when you could go to a town hall now maybe local town hall that's completely different
right if i want to go to the city of sunrise mayor town hall completely different but when you're
talking about on the grand scale of presidential town halls and presidential debates okay they're all
rigged they're all set up the questions are received in advance they pick the questions that
they want they tailor the questions to the candidates they're not true town halls anymore
and true debates it's it's like you know we joke like we we literally joke and meme about joe biden
having you know and i'm sure other presidents have had them too i'm not calling him out it just so
happens that we're seeing it a lot with him where he has literally a sheet in front of him that says
your call on this person they're going to ask you this question call on this person they're going to ask
you this question right it's all scripted so yes i would love to go to a presidential town hall
and have a chance to get up and ask an honest question but they ask for all those questions in
advance they cherry pick the questions and and so it's not really what you're saying it is
and then the other point you made also about like hillary clinton and bernie sanders like the dnc
the rnc they have so much control over the narrative right it again back to the robert f kennedy
it's really hard for us as citizens to decide who we want to vote for when they're not even giving us
a chance to watch them debate each other on stage um so i just it's something to to think about when
you talk about like you know going out and and listening and asking questions yeah and and i think
that the problem is even when there is honest questions asked what happens is you know you'll end
up with you know the people will be like well what do you think of the fact that i don't know i'm
making it up they're like the budget is way out of control and then the politician will be like
the politician will literally go like the budget may be the people may think the budget's way out of
control but the real issue here is the mutant mice taking over the city because the mutant mice
taking over the city and then they just talk about whatever the fuck they want to talk about it's just
like they change if you listen to it they're old you know the old pr tricks are all there
they'll say what i can tell you is or they'll they'll kind of skirt the issue or even better
what they'll do is ignore like hey the data says that you know the majority of you know americans are
without health care why do you think you know we should not have an affordable american care act and
then like someone will be like let me tell you about you know little you know tommy jenkins from
you know montgomery alabama actually it wouldn't be that it would be like more of a swing state right
they'll be like from you know from columbus georgia who did and then they tell you this anecdote about
someone from a swing state who actually sides with whatever it is they're trying to say it's never
it's never never actually keeping on topic or honest and that's is i mean like i said it's theater
but that is your opportunity to listen to who they are what they say they're going to do at the very
least even if it is pandering and those are your chance to make a decision ask questions or kind of
change the way things are done so i i i'd still probably put that out there um from a uh yeah
i'd still probably put that out there as like that's probably the opportunity uh if you want
to get involved and you know ask those questions like i said or similarly calling emailing like going
to their websites how many people know who their local city mayor is okay i only do because they
literally i know who my local city mayor is because she uh she showed up for my daughter's uh
graduation right like the other day i i didn't think about it i voted for her like and i recognize
it i'm like oh that's right i voted for her she's cool like whatever but like that's it how many
people know their state representatives how many people know their state senators how many people
know their national senators how many people know their national representatives you know when you hear
a name that's on the news and they're like oh that sounds familiar and they're like oh from georgia
and you're from georgia you're like oh yeah that's right there are representatives how often does that
happen right so realizing like if you don't know your set your the people who are elected officials
again hand up i am part of the problem but if you don't know who those people are
off the top of your head and the only reason you know them is when they have controversy or issues
then you actually are equally part of the problem and it's it's a general thing that i think we all
could be doing a better job at um mackey go ahead and get in here don't go back to andrea
i am literally writing out what i will be calling my representatives with right now uh i have phone
numbers for my federal people which are easy to find on the internet i know the name of my one of
my local reps because i used to work with her when i worked in environmental action council right out of
college as an intern uh i get to tell a fun story about starting a business and paying taxes and how
i've lived in my state my entire life and how uh i believe in the same things as these people because
i voted for them and uh hopefully get to start a conversation with people who probably don't know
much about crypto and they probably do you know drink the kool-aid that gary's giving them saying
that everything in crypto is a scam but again if you go back to when the internet was born like people
who used it were either hyper smart on the development end or people who were scamming people and like
it's i keep coming back to the fact that you know like when you're online you can still get scammed a
website can still be bad and that's always going to be the case in crypto too but we just really need
it to be the minority instead of the like 50 50 slash i would i would even say majority than it is
right now because it is still very very sketchy here uh you still have to protect the shit out of
yourself and and so that's what politicians are worried about right they're thinking about the
the normies coming in and losing the retirement fund or whatever it is because they didn't spend
the time to do what we all say do your own research blah blah blah uh but man i i i've set aside an hour
on my calendar this weekend to make these phone calls uh it's uh it is doable i promise uh it will
be the first time that i've called my representatives i have sent uh those emails before but they're so easy
to uh automate but of course they don't get counted like phone calls do so it makes sense and having
listened to that coinbase uh space on wednesday i think and clipped it to shit i have tried posting
a thread with audiograms twice now and it just really is falling flat uh so i'm probably gonna delete it
again figure out another way to post it try again try to get some traction on it because this is super
important everybody this is uh debatably an existential crisis for us so do what you can
you don't need to call all of your reps you don't need to do as much as i am just just call one
just call one call your mayor call whoever anybody uh just don't just don't call a family member about
it unless your family member is in politics so with that i will sit back down and continue writing
my script if anybody has any questions i'd be happy to help you and share what i'm writing too
i love that uh macky you should share it for sure and uh i'm sure you'll use chat gpt as well as many
other tools which would be awesome i'm uh writing it in a notebook with a pen that's uh is that like
chat gpt but made out of a tree i don't get it um it is uh be be uh like carving it into a stone
version of chat gpt if you've heard of writing before it is still a useful tool not familiar never
heard of it um anyway but no it's um if you saw my writing my writing's so bad that i'll take a note
in a notebook and this has been since i was a kid i'll take a note in a notebook and then i'll walk
back to that notebook like three months later and i'll be like i can't read what i wrote what am i
saying here so i'm my my handwriting is that bad it is embarrassing um my daughter and her friends
have better handwriting when i go on field trips with my daughter's friends and they're like the adult
takes the notes no it doesn't her one friend with amazing handwriting takes the notes or her other
friend with amazing handwriting or my daughter none of which are me which is uh embarrassing the alpha
steve is if you don't do this already write in all caps yeah that's uh so i'm not kidding you
i don't know what was canceling maybe it was a canceling a meeting but i'm looking at my notebook
and it just says in all caps no tuesday on me so i don't know what that means i just no tuesday
i don't have any i don't have any issue with tuesday i'm actually i think maybe tuesday's gone now
yeah tuesday's gone uh there's a uh is that for us steve that's no no no no no pain this is like
an old old note from forever ago not about our meeting pain myself and cap are are probably gonna
meet on tuesday to discuss show direction and different things we could do for uh for coffee
with captain maybe more segments and how we want to kind of organize the show and maybe evolve it but
no it just says no tuesday in all caps and uh it looks very bad like very bad
um let's uh let's run it down to uh let's go to andrea and then we'll go to you know i've been
saying uh olytra and uh i want to make sure olytra is correct because somebody said ultra somebody else
said oltura i've been saying olytra how i've been pronouncing since we met in the starbucks odyssey
discord and now i am uh i'm gonna find out after andrea's done talking whether i have been wrong my
whole life but olytra has been what i've been going with but uh andrea get in here
um i just first of all want to give flowers to mackie and everyone that said it leading up to him
that you know take a little time to reach out to your elected officials we can talk on these spaces
until we're blue in the face but you know you're really not maximizing your potential to make change
if there's not action that goes with these conversations so again take some time write emails
make phone calls and that's truly how we make change um joey got me really fired up because i
just wanted to make a point about these democratic debates and for me why it's it's just really
important that um both robert kennedy jr and marianne williamson get the chance to debate president
biden if you remember i mean i was i was i actually supported biden when he first ran the alternative
to me was was worse i wasn't happy with either candidate quite frankly but biden ran on the
premise of being a one-term president he sent that multiple times and so i think it's only fair
for voters that didn't see him be primarily because of his age or health concerns or whatnot
going past this single term to allow us to make informed decisions on if we choose to support him for
another term or not or you know potentially a better alternative and that will be the phone call
that i'm making to really press for um my elected officials to press the dnc to sort of change course
and allow these debates to happen for the primary and i'm just coming up here to encourage anyone else
interested to do the same i'm done talking no totally fair i um and look i again i said i i am equally
part of the problem in the sense that i i don't do a lot of things that i said we should do and that's
part of the problem is i i need to be motivated to do it now that said again i am very much i know
this might sound crazy um but i am hoping that this book that i'm writing ends up in the hands of some
people who have some sort of political sway or some people who are looking to have political sway
like that's the goal of sort of what we're doing it's it's you know this thing's gonna be in like
the harvard business school library like it's going to exist i like the fact that i'm writing
it with somebody who has the amount of credibility that scott has um and i you know i can't give
specifics into his level of credibility because there's some confidentiality things but um the
man is definitely somebody who is respected in both the traditional uh you know finance political
and uh and i would say crypto and traditional finance world you know he's a entrepreneurial and uh
sort of economics professor at harvard business school right i mean that's that's pretty and again
has has those has had opportunities like around the world that people are aware of of his of his
presence so i'm hoping that that helps us potentially and he's writing a book with a crypto
degen hi that's me so i'm hoping that those two combinations uh can help you know potentially
you know this gets in the hands of people who are here in spaces like this
and we're able to have better educated conversations with our friends and families because
you know again i've said this before like part of the goal of this book is like
yes it's it's targeted at businesses who are looking to get into uh sort of the uh nft uh use nft to
better empower their consumers as well as themselves because they can do it authentically if they do it
well or they can do well if they do it authentically right and yes there's a whole section explaining why
crypto is not a scam and all those good things but part of it like from my motivation is that
by having a really a world-class editor a world-class publishing company and a world-class
publisher all dive deep and read this thing and critique it and beat the hell out of it
it means that you're going to be able to take this lift it directly and have conversations at your
thanksgiving table have conversations with your family your friends your parents and be able to say
hey this is what this is and how this works and i'm hoping that maybe that ends up um equally on
the and again it's not crypto it's it's nft related crypto is a small section because it's because
there are at the end of the day our target audience is going to be businesses that want to enhance
their business and grow just like they did with internet and social media and other and other
technologies before it but the goal is that like people are able to use this to you know make a
difference and and and read it and talk with their families and talk with you know and so i'm hoping it
ends up there that is my part i'm trying to do and trust me a year of writing a thing endless days
like i've you know mentioned like 14 15 hour days at times like the other day i mentioned after my
daughter's graduation i i sort of bricked the morning so we came in i interviewed julian uh
from doodles for about 45 minutes handed it off to cap cap to the interview went to my daughter's
graduation got home i was going to work on a specific section of the book and realized oh there's
this other section i need to retool i went to the retooling section i spent five and a half hours next
thing i knew it was 7 30 8 30 at night and i and so it's like trust me like i'm trying to do my part
in that way but i could do definitely stand to do a better job doing the things mackie and andrea are
talking about calling my representative writing a letter to my representative uh being more
informed of who i'm voting for because like i said i can't name all of my representatives and
that's where i would say yes this gary ginsler stuff sucks i agree that they're the way they're
going about it is ridiculous particularly when it comes to coinbase a publicly traded american
company who has sought guidance and tried really hard i love that brian armstrong is emerging as a
uh industry leader because every movement if you look in history in the history of time every
movement needs a leader they need figureheads they need people maybe brian armstrong's that guy for us
it'd be awesome people like ryan white and others who are you know walking to you know uh capitol hill
and having these discussions but you know i definitely need to do a better job doing my part with that as
well and i'm hoping that you know we can all sort of get someone to rally behind and hopefully it can be
brian armstrong and then it becomes a movement um we'll see let's uh let's go to uh elite okay captain
uh just got some breaking news uh you know you know we're working together when i've i think shared
a bankless tweet almost every day this week now and stop fighting the bankless boys uh
robin hood delisting ada matic and solana and i think hodl said earlier this week will we go five
for five with sec actions and why we may not see five actions this week i think we have had
five you know every day this week there's been either some suit or some you know material action
like this like robin hood delisting these three tokens with relatively large market caps
yeah it's not good it's just it's it's a bad spot to be in and and again we've you know i think
self-accountability of people in this space along with you know others is what's going to help change
it but uh let's go to let's go to a am i getting alitra right that's how i've been pronouncing it
it's you litra long you okay long you i was close you litra not alitra you litra my bad okay there we
go thank you and i just wanted to come up and say thank you for everybody i know this has been a very
very political space but coincidentally i have my united states citizenship oath that i have to swear
to the flag and whatnot this upcoming tuesday so next election i'm finally going to be able to vote
for the first time and this has been like a wake-up call that i need to be paid way more attention than
i actually am i was congratulations it's huge yeah i was an expired alien for years and i didn't even
know it so finally at the end of the steps
congrats on that that's awesome where were you coming from was it canada
technically the middle east it's like ex-soviet union territories
so yeah it's got it
so how was it you said it's opening your eyes can you elaborate on that like what are you
what are you diving in on or how is it going to change how you act
so actually i think when i was doing taxes or when i was looking into them that's when i found out that
like these representatives work for us like they're supposed to help us you guys are mentioning that
earlier and i haven't thought about anything like that since then and honestly my eyes have been
closed to a lot of all the politics just because like i didn't even have a say when election time
would come around and people would approach me i should be like who are you voting for who are you
going to vote for i'm just like i can't vote and i just they had no rebuttal to that so it was great
but now it's not going to be like that and i actually was taking notes and i need to find out
who my local representatives are call them at the very least possibly write a letter but i don't know
if i'm going to have the time i'm definitely going to look into kennedy jr and brian armstrong
and whoever my local governor and officials are so you guys are making a difference
first time i'm in a such a political space but honestly it has been so freaking friendly on top
of everything it is very very just grounding i love it i appreciate that i'm glad to hear that
you're taking action too i mean that's something that i think people need to do and for you for
just like you have the speed on a couple of things i mean brian armstrong uh from coinbase you can find
him on twitter you can find coin you know find his stuff through coinbase on twitter and him ryan
wyatt from polygon are a couple i've seen pretty active where they've gone to capitol hill and had
these conversations with the government in washington dc and brian armstrong has been taking
a pretty strong stance and you know saying things in a very um definitive way like nothing wishy-washy
about how he's been approaching it so he's become almost this de facto leader almost because he's had
to somewhat forced into it which you wonder about that right because they've tried to do everything by
the book and now they're getting sort of um you know pushback you got to wonder is it like a force
situation or would this have always been the case but um someone to follow because you know he you
know even even as these you know lawsuit came out and everything was going down he's like business as
usual right it's like very definitive so it's been enjoyable to watch so definitely recommend checking
that out but i'm glad to hear that you're you know getting involved and congrats on that as well
um you know glad to uh you know glad to hear that you're you're getting involved and also uh was
great to meet you at vcon uh as well uh grab a cup of coffee together at the starbucks odyssey
it was it was awesome thank you guys for coming and for inviting me that's all thanks to suarez honestly
yeah suarez is the man he does a great job uh in that discord shout out to suarez chris hoddle who
was up here earlier uh as well and every day as every day john yes the uh the the mod squad the
mod squad is goaded i appreciate them every day me and bunch you are very lucky to have them um uh
kicking around the discord and chatting every day and kind of keeping things moving and the vibes up
and getting things fixed so appreciate that um and if you haven't uh if you're a coffee fan by the
way as i am drinking my starbucks right now that mrs nft bark just brought home because she's off today
um do me a favor and uh sign up for the starbucks odyssey waitlist if you're into coffee uh starbucks
if you just google starbucks odyssey waitlist you can get on they're sending out invites uh if it's
something you're interested in it's a nft program being run by uh the world's largest coffee brand
the world's coffee house starbucks so um highly recommend checking that out if it's something you're
interested in um let's kick it down to mackie back again mackie get in here uh so i just found a
website that i pinned to the top it's called my reps.datamade.us you put in your address and you
can literally pull up any level of government representative who represents you uh federal
state county local you can check off some of those if you want them if you don't whatever
matt suggests to add to that if you're if you're in limited time and you need to prioritize your
times he has to please start with your federal reps yeah yeah federal is definitely going to have
the most control of this so start there move to state if you really want to get granular go local
but in reality they're not going to be able to uh persuade gary ginsler and the sec probably
and any more than your federal people can so just just another way to and i'm checking the the
contact information right now because they literally have even the contact information including emails and
phone numbers uh right there and it does match what i have at least on the federal level so
uh useful tools abound when it comes to politics yeah what's what's unbelievable i i you know i just
got a dm and i don't know if they want me to call it out but i said i got a dm from someone who said
this space is this space you run you have run uh that have been the definition of disagreeing without
being disagreeable because we always say our our sort of motto in the space is disagree without being
disagreeable um it's super indicative of the crowd and the circle that you and cap have cultivated
dgen um whenever you get down think about that which i appreciate that dm from the person who's
out there uh who sent it um just because it is sometimes things get overwhelming it gets tough but
um it is cool when you have a steve i got it you you may not want to run for politics
i before like if not this next cycle at some point you need to be the one one of the ones moderating
these debates see that i'm down for like if we want to have a twitter space or if we want to just
even have a live moderation like that's sort of my jam that's something i'm working on actually
getting it's it's funny i ended up getting on the community stage at vcom but when i applied
my application was hey i want to be uh look here's my background i have a background in you know web
three and everything like that but look i'm not buster rhymes i'm not you know uh you know you know
seth green i'm not like you know jessica alba i get that you know i'm not like some of these people
with these amazing backgrounds but more than happy to moderate didn't get the moderation call
which is totally cool because the moderators were so freaking good at vcon uh you know there
was the person from boardroom there was um uh you know i whose name her name is escaping me jenny
from the blockchain and uh shira lazar and so many good ones out there so i have no complaints obviously
uh daniel from vfriends uh you know uh moderated some just absolutely goaded so no complaints in
the moderation but that's something that i've always wanted to do i interview all the people in the
starbucks out of discord i interview people on this show i'm going to interview people for an
upcoming podcast when i finish the book that i'm putting together so with all those things that
are kind of coming together it's like i love i love being like the wallpaper to help people tell
their story and i'm hoping that i can you know continue to do that so i am more than happy to moderate
debates uh to push back and have real conversations like that is my favorite thing to do because i love i think
you get the best information out of just having a conversation with someone
let's um run it down to let's go back uh actually let's go to let's go back mackie's hand on it first
i think then we'll go athena uh and then we'll we'll keep running through hands there mackie get back in
here yeah i do want to echo that dm you received i i will say that that crypto has been the topic that
has reached me personally and my social and political beliefs across the aisle in a very calm
and uh respectful manner i i really wasn't sure what was going to be the thing that that brought
more conservative people back into my life but it has been crypto it absolutely has been and being in
the community that we're in with dgen network the ethos being just or disagree without being
disagreeable it it yes i just needed to echo it because it's this is important for all of us and
probably the most patriotic thing you can do nowadays besides going to to fight for your country in a war
is is telling your politicians what you want and believe like they don't know unless you say it to
them it's the same thing with like talking to hr like a job they don't know something's wrong unless
you speak up so so just just do something just say something to somebody please please please
that's my last time but i'm not gonna be all shy now i'm like this is great because you guys i don't
know if anybody saw it was a very unofficial announcement for the 2028 ballot um there's a lot
of money involved obviously you have to have a minimum of i'm sure everyone knows the fvc guidelines um
i want to say thank you for hosting this space because i was in another space and it was just
kind of not my vibe i don't know i go around looking for ways to change the world every day i
wake up and it's you know i'm like well what do i have control over um which space i entered so thank
you for hosting this captain steve and dgen i'm not i'm not big into crypto i'll tell you that i don't
really know a whole lot i'm in massachusetts um born and raised up here was in the military for a
short period of time blah blah blah i have a long story so i just wanted to thank you um one for
opening this space but for this to second back on what mackey was saying about being able to disagree
with someone in a political sphere without attacking them i think that's that's the most
important way i could ever handle any sort of disagreement i have but i'm also open to whatever
the make america great again plan is and hopefully could be on the vp ticket if everything goes as
planned no i i yeah i mean that's our our goal here like i said like our our ethos of this space
we've said many times disagree without being disagreeable because people can get really heated
and start yelling at each other and that's not what we do here there's been only a couple times
we've had to hit the mute all and get people there and you know it's not always going to draw the
biggest audience every single time but it's going to draw the audience that we jam with the most and
the one where i feel like we can have real discussions real debate real conversations um
you know i have i've changed my mind many times in this stage like many times where you know i'm not
just going to be pushover when someone tells me new information but if somebody says hey we want to
you know you're wrong and here's your wrong like the biggest sort of compliment i would say or the
biggest honor i think we get on this stage is when cap and i have a specific thought and then
up comes somebody who maybe has never even spoken before saying like hey i want to come up and tell
you why i disagree with you and the fact that someone's brave enough to come up on a stage with
oftentimes 200 300 people you know in a regular morning it's a little bit of a slow friday lazy
friday today 119 here today but you know 200 300 people and tell us and talk in front of those people
because that's like an auditorium full of people like that's an off-broadway show right
and to come up and say like hey i disagree with you like that's the biggest compliment someone can
give us because it means that they're feel that it's safe to have that conversation and it's how
we all get better and smarter i'll be honest with you a lot of my networking happens um online because
of how you know the whole pandemic happened and i was a single mom for a while fighting to get custody
back of my son um it's a whole big situation for me to just kind of focus on my day-to-day life i don't
have control over big political things but i guess if i reached out to the right people
local action spreads worldwide right yeah i've talked about that many times in the spiritual
warfare i'm a spiritual warfare specialist so i'm just here for this thank you no absolutely it's a
um you know a ripple in a pond sometimes starts the pebble and and sometimes you just got to toss
it and start going and it's important i agree with you 100 and i'm here to answer questions anytime i
join the room it's so that other people can get to know me as opposed to just being a nobody when that
um when that time comes for me to get on an fec ballot i still feel like i have a five-year plan
right now um and just a part of it is coming into these spaces and getting to know people so that
they understand i'm not a vicious person it's hard to miss and it's hard to miss something when i'm just
coming into the room and saying it so clearly right i mean if i can come in here and talk to people and
they get to know me then maybe i will wouldn't be so rejected every time i go into another space
yeah it's it's hard and i think there's nuance that gets lost i think we live in a world where
um there is an awful lot of you know when people go on political shows it is not conducive to actually
getting things done um when they go on like and when i say a political show i think some of the cable
news networks where they're looking for a five to ten minute five to ten second soundbite right
and it's like someone asked you a nuanced question and then which requires probably 10 to 15 minutes
of discussion if you answer that thing in 30 seconds or less you're not really getting the
meat of the point across you're getting the talking point across and looking for a mic drop moment and
that's not how we have meaningful discussions and debate um which is why i think a forum like this
is much more conducive to something like that um and it's also harder for people to say something
when they're actually talking directly to their face uh even in this setting than it is online i think
so that those are two things that i think come to mind if elon was able to add a video option i think
for the next debates that would be even better so that people can see the body language because for me
when i was watching the 2016 election i was in my house shaking i was watching hillary clinton like no
we can't let her in like oh my god no so it was this huge political thing for me since day one i mean
i've been on the radio in westfield mass at the westfield university college i went on there
maybe two times so i've been able to do a lot of interviews but i think this is the most important
place to do it because the leaders are here on twitter um and i've been running into people that
i know they see me on twitter but they just they're afraid of me
ron let's um let's go down to uh let's actually go nft cutie then we will go mike then joey then close
it out nft cutie uh gm gm gm everyone so uh i'm not against uh uh the crypto regulation uh i i love
that uh the technology we uh the next generations uh will be using uh the financial tech uh uh so that
that should be regulated uh for a healthy uh culture as well as ecosystem uh but uh unnecessary
regulation uh will affect us uh as well as uh i would like to mention that what should be regulated
is uh all the scam coins uh uh these exchanges have been listing everything uh huobi has been listing
all sort of a scam coin so that should be stopped yeah no agree that's uh oh go ahead were you on
sorry you cut off for a sec no i i agree with you i mean i think that that's i think it's something
that we should all be paying attention to in how the communications are managed across the board and
not just from people who we disagree with but people who we support um making sure that we're
listening and with rigor saying is this true is this not true you know and actually like kind of
thinking through and challenging our own beliefs at time both for people we support and people we
don't support uh i think it's totally fair um let's go down to mike then we'll go to joey and then
probably call it a day here uh pretty soon and roll off into the day but mike uh or sorry laura
laura's hand is up as well so we'll go actually mike laura joey because joey will get a closing priority
out as uh the newest member of the dgen network but we'll go mike and then laura and then joey mike
get in here hey gm gm steve uh captain everybody um yeah it's an interesting time um i came in
pretty late here so i don't know all that was discussed but definitely good to hear people are
fired up and um and ready to to kind of like fight for this industry that we all i think really
believe in um one of the things that i would i would submit is so writing your representation
you know whether it's like a congressperson or a um or a senator those are important but i think
um what we've seen in the past um especially like during the pandemic like uh you saw companies like
amazon um you know patagonia i think nike like you saw a lot of big companies take a stance on issues
and whether you believe with you know whether you sided with those companies or not i think it was clear
that that they had a massive impact um because of the stance that they took and i think we're in
this era where we've been in it for some time where the largest corporations um you know since citizens
united that that supreme court case was settled um corporations are considered people and so um they
are kind of the most powerful people um in our constituency and so if you want if you want something
political to happen like it's it's i think wise to target some of the large corporations to get them
on your side and you know i'm not suggesting we go to amazon patagonia or nike here but um one of the
things people can do is and this would you know this would take large-scale coordination but i mean the
banks are i think the ones that are sort of like i think they're the ones that are probably benefiting
most from these actions um whether it's you know like like uh you know regardless like it's it's
the traditional banking system right that that is kind of like fighting our industry and so i think
there's a possibility of action being taken there i mean you can you can organize things like you know
if a lot of money if a lot of money flowed out of the banks you know in in a protest for example
um you know that could be something that could start to start to get these people to think um pretty
quickly um and hard about you know what they're doing so just just kind of like throwing in an
alternative um to just go in the traditional route of of like writing and and calling um you know your
representatives which is also super important but um yeah i think this is a really trying time
um for our industry like these things have been in the works for a really really long time
my original position when my good friend uh told me about bitcoin was that there's no way that the
powers that be would allow it to happen once i realized that you can't stop bitcoin then i got
extremely bullish um but you have all these other tokens like ethereum like solana um and many others
which are used by a lot of people there's a lot of capital um you know entrapped in those ecosystems
and so it's a very important time like we need to distinguish which are what are the things that we want
to protect you know the chains the assets the ecosystems and what are the ones that we're willing to let go
because there really is no value there and um yeah anyways just some general points but i love
that you're hosting this conversation because you know anytime you get into politics it gets very
very heated very quickly and the fact that you know like just echoing the sentiments here like
the fact that you can have these conversations without people ripping each other apart um it's
very bullish for humanity and very bullish for our for our industry so thank you guys always for
for fostering such an amazing community well thanks mike i appreciate that and i i will say like
you know it's it's it's something you said that i think is super interesting is like you know like
you said like bitcoin can't be stopped and it's like it's true it's like that we had this conversation
a little bit yesterday where it was like you know people are you know yelling about like u.s
regulating crypto is going to exist whether the u.s comes along or not and what drives me nuts and
particularly like you said like bitcoin's not going anywhere um ethereum is not going anywhere
right there's there's just there are there are too many uh it just like just because we live in the
united states doesn't mean that that like we control like how the world operates there are other
countries that have much more regulatory clarity that are going to continue to have regulatory clarity
and to be honest like it's only going to hurt us from a technological standpoint like that's my
selfish interest is i work in this industry and i want to work in this industry like not just crypto
but like tech for the rest of my life and if we're going to become a tech like an anti sort of uh
innovation company or anti-innovation country then this is not the place for me i've been in tech my
whole life i you know when i was in in like 90 like 5 96 whatever when i was in sixth grade i taught
myself how to do html before there was google because i thought that the internet was interesting
and like you know at the time people were talking about how evil the internet was and how you know
the internet was all scams and it was terrible for you which sounds really familiar and they they said
like oh the tech and cost barriers are hard to get into it again sounds really familiar and that's
changed and i was early on social media and and early ish to crypto like not super early but 2017 2018
earlier than a lot and i just if this isn't what the united states stands for then like
it isn't the country for me it just it sounds crazy to say that but like innovation is important
to me uh technology is important to me and so it's like i just think and i think for a lot of other
people it is as well the other thing you said that i think is important to touch on mike there that
you said is like you know people talk about like you're you're exactly right like the banks are the
ones who are like you know having problems over this at the same time if the banks had like one
iota for thought like they can also profit off this they could also make this work for them they could
make it more approachable for the masses they could make it work better for people in general they could
have custodial options for people who don't want self-custody which again i know it sounds crazy
sometimes and it's a hot take to have in you know in a crypto space but um some people don't want
self-custody some people like to have their you know expensive assets have some level of backing
that isn't just self-custody and by the way that's okay and so like you know banks could take
advantage of people's desire to do that but again there's just so much things that are so many things
that i feel like are a miss in this and my gut feeling is 10 years from now we'll have a different
looking landscape that landscape will be uh you know a uh that landscape will be uh much more
crypto friendly but i feel like this is part of the pain to get there and so uh you know we'll all
go through it we'll all get to see we experience this just like well there will be a day when we
talk about buying our eth nfts and be like did you know i sent money to coinbase and send it to
metamask and had to write down a 24 word key phrase seed phrase and i forgot it i lost everything
and then when i sent it over the when i sent money over the polygon bridge it actually got clogged up and
took a day and i thought my money was gone like you're gonna tell all these crazy stories and it's
gonna be cool and it'll be fun so you know one day we'll all look back just like the people who
were buying bitcoin like danny yang back in the day buying bitcoin in like the most sketchy and
ridiculous ways possible but it was totally worth it right and and we'll end up here so um i think
good points all around mike um let's start over to laura and then actually we'll go laura laura
mars joey we'll go do that uh laura gm gm i just wanted to say hi i've been popping in here like
always but i haven't spoken to any of you for a while and now that i got here a little late but
i loved like every point that you guys were making about how wonderful is it to have a conversation
and then accept people with their different opinions and maybe speak from a place where like
i'm not trying to convince you i'm trying to voice what i feel and why i feel it and not every single
time we have to be in a battle of convincing one another right even though you're obviously like
really deep into your thoughts um and into your belief system that doesn't make it okay for me to
bash you right and and many times um steven they said this like oh that that's what brings numbers
right and i think that if we were in just a numbers game we could do a lot of things for attention
or cut off people at the wrong time misinterpret what you're saying and and not create like quality
like a quality community or or the quality i don't know that the right opportunity for people to really
properly express what they mean so that's it i just wanted to thank you guys for that and
and yeah and we just have to speak up i think sometimes it's easier said than done and and we live
very like busy lives and we fall into this trap of believing that even if we voice our opinion to
to our government that it's not nothing's going to happen then that it's going to change and we become
very complacent because of it um but if more of us do it eventually they can't ignore us all right
like maybe if it's just me calling my representative they're gonna be like okay whatever but if it's a
lot of us especially maybe even like in cities like miami where where we have some you know a little
bit more support um i i do believe that if we're the one calling say we're the one doing this it's
like well now we have numbers you know we have all these people reaching out we have all these people
doing this um but it takes a village and and not to say there's so much power and so many people that
you know fought for this opportunity or or would like to have the opportunity that we have when it
comes to this elections or whatnot that don't have it so if we have the platform then then let's use it
and that's it i'm like i wanted to say congrats to you guys for being consistent and hosting always
a wonderful show and space thank thank you laura and i i would even stay with laura with you i you
know like you want to talk about somebody who is doing her part as well uh you know laura is somebody
who uh reaches out to underserved communities like when you talk about sort of what you've done with
the latino and latina community i mean that's something that is super admirable um you know using you
know your your smarts and your knowledge which you have naturally your hard work and your education
but also uh having those conversations with people and making it approachable for those who maybe it
isn't as approachable for so you talk about someone who's doing their part to sort of um you know make
make the world a better place in this world laura is somebody who's certainly doing that and we
appreciate you and everything you do in this space uh and across uh the crypto world as a whole
uh to try to move us forward so appreciate you very much laura as always um let's uh let's turn
on to mars and then we will go over to joey vows mars it was your birthday what yesterday two days ago
it was yesterday listen um i'm gonna kind of switch this up a little bit just because i want to uh
you know express some gratitude um i've had a bad couple of weeks um starting with the week of
econ i got hacked pretty bad and um lost pretty much all of my assets after building them back up
from you know my initial entry into the space but yesterday on my birthday twitter decided to uh you
know give me a hardcore ban and i wasn't supposed to be back for seven to ten days but i uh fought mr
elon and wrestled out of that and got back and got in touch with someone that you know worked for twitter
and had them take a look and um the case is still under review but they gave me back all my privileges
so i just want to basically say that i am incredibly grateful for all the support from everybody that
follows me and the people that have stood behind me and many of you know you know knew about this
yesterday and were there and supporting and letting other people know and i greatly appreciate that and
many people in this room know me as well and i'm just glad to be back and move forward but security
make sure your stuff is protected make sure that um you keep your stuff offline on a ledger wallet
i um it turns out that there was a key logger installed on my machine and that's how i got taken
so i just wanted to share that with everybody they you know keep coming up with innovation ways and
you know putting stuff on you know your systems to get your stuff it's not just social engineering it
can be hacking too i appreciate you sharing that i love your positive attitude overall about it where
you just said look you know i want to like you started off by saying i mean this is like really
like telling of the type of person you are you started off saying i want to express start off by
expressing gratitude then proceeded to talk about a hack a bad situation but you looked at it
from sort of the positive angle of everything's going better now and i think that's kind of what
this world in general needs more of we need more mars right we need more people who see the world in a
way of saying i'm grateful for this opportunity i think a lot of people don't necessarily approach
things that way when things aren't going quite the way they want they will you know maybe you know
look at it and look at the like you know i i have some friends and some family members in particular
who maybe they always look even when things are going well they look at the bad side i mean even
like you know well i have this conversation sometimes where my kids will be hanging out with
my kids right and i'll be like a little bit frustrated with them and they're not necessarily
being super you know behaved or whatever and you know we'll be like finishing like an activity
together and i always like try to remind myself that no matter how this activity ends just remember
we had such a great time and so many wonderful things during this and try to like look at the
positive versus the negative and i think you're doing a really great job with that so glad to hear
everything's like get going on the up and up for you and sorry to hear about the hack and everything
like that that's never a fun situation to go through and you never want to see that and um you know i
always have empathy for people who do that because look everybody wants to say like oh be more careful
or security or social engineering and all this other stuff look i will tell you from experience i am lucky
especially early on i didn't get hacked there have been times when i've been one click away from a hack or
i've nearly put myself in a bad position because um you know there was a uniswap where they bought
up the google uh search for uniswap and i was lazy and it was night and i was clicking it or i clicked
through it i thought was a gary v announcement because it was i was tired and then i clicked
through it and i almost clicked a link so um just be careful out there but go ahead and get back in
here mars thank you steve i just one more thing on that you know i just pride myself on it because
of the simple fact that you know i've been in this space as long as i have and i've been
educating people on not to fall for this type of stuff and i was completely blinded to the fact
that you know something could be installed on my machine and i went and typed in my seed phrase to
reinstall my wallet on a laptop and 10 minutes later i'm locked out of my account almost like they knew
i lived in new york because in new york we got such shitty crypto rules that i couldn't get money back
into that wallet to get my stuff transferred out of it so it was like a speed race and i was losing
because like there's a seven day waiting period whenever you try to buy stuff on coinbase and then
send it to your wallet it's ridiculous in new york but that's besides the point but just i want to add
one more thing listen um i know how people are in this space please do not send anything to that
mars.eth address that is the one that's compromised um there were other wallets in there that also got
compromised but that is the leading wallet if anybody wants to support me a follow is fine i don't want
anything else in return i will build it back up myself and i greatly appreciate all your help and
thank you very much yeah no it's uh glad to hear again glad i appreciate the positive uh move forward
on it and uh best of luck on that it's it's no fun and that's why also like i remember when nft hit
god got hacked who like i know some people for whatever reason have like a big issue with him i don't
really i think he provides content that people enjoy uh and that's fine it doesn't have to be for you
he doesn't have to be the expert on everything that people think he is i think he's you know
doing what he's doing it's totally fine um i um i will say like a lot of people when he got hacked
almost celebrated which i thought was kind of gross where it's like are we at this point where we're
now saying like we're celebrating somebody who has gone through a terrible situation like that seems
kind of messed up so um i don't know for me it's like i'm just like you know wish people the best you
never want to see people getting hacked you never want to see bad things happening to people
and again it doesn't matter if you're a security expert security experts get hacked too kevin rose
knows what the fuck he's doing around crypto he's been around crypto and he's been around a lot of
things very early he got hacked and it happens to the best of them so i just think like you know
sorry and i'm not even that big of a name yeah exactly so it's like it's one of those things it's
like pump the brakes and have some empathy for people and understand that you know it's not the
easiest thing in the world to sometimes it's a space that can happen to everybody and i'm not
like i by no means think that i am above getting you know hacked or having something happen to me
and i would never sort of celebrate or have any sort of showing fraud about anybody who gets hacked so
um let's run it down to uh joey joey get in here hey guys uh so uh to mars's point uh you know
you have we we worked together and i had somebody emailing and having conversations for two weeks
because they wanted to work with me and mars i mean like two weeks of google meets and and discord chats
and then they finally sent me like a pdf file and i was not diligent and i downloaded that pdf file
without scanning and embedded in that pdf file uh as soon as i opened it apparently was like a a root
and like a like a root virus i immediately i didn't know but at the time i like shut down my computer
for the night as soon as i booted my computer up the next morning it like triggered them and they took
everything and it wasn't a whole lot because luckily i had stuff on my ledger they took like a um they
took a zen academy pass at the time when it was worth like half an eath they took maybe like one and a
half eath um so i say it's not a lot but actually it was a lot and and this was somebody who literally
talked to me for two weeks about working with me and mars as if they were like a potential client
for two weeks of like google meets and zoom meetings just to get to the point to where they would send
me a pdf file that had something like buried in it um so it just be really careful that's not why i wanted
to talk i wanted to talk about um what mackey said earlier about your community like when i was
after uh chris got got rugged he was in my dms and we were like you know we were talking and he's like
it's all love always i'm like of course and you know it's and we started to talk about how
you know it's so nice to find a community and then it's funny mackey brings it up where we could have
intelligent conversations on opposite sides of the aisle and nobody raises their voice nobody calls
each other names and it's just so sad when we look around not just america but other countries too
that it's gotten to a point to where like civil conversations and discourse is so hard to find so
i just wanted to echo what mackey said what other people said that it's so nice to find a group of
people that we can have conversations and we can agree to disagree and we can have civil discourse and
you know and it's not you know yelling over each other trying to convince each other that each point
is right and it does speak to cap steve the dgen network and the type of people that we all attract
right like if it's not they started it but mackey uh mintify chris like everybody that comes up here
every single day right are part of that because if we if cap and steve didn't set the precedent
which then attracted all of us which then keeps everybody coming back right because if chris gets
up here or i get up here every day and argue and fight doesn't matter what cap and steve do right
so it's all of we all kind of it's like the trickle down effect so it is really awesome and it makes me
really happy because i don't i love having these conversations i love hearing the other side of the
aisle from people and i just wanted to echo that from what mackey said and yes be safe out there
people i think somebody tweeted something the other day um uh anytime someone dms you or messages you
think you're trying like put on your hat if they're trying to scam me like that's the first thing you
should think of so that way you're safe and oh sorry one last thing too i actually spoke with franklin
um he like dm'd me and we started talking like randomly about my pudgy post that i had about the
review and we had like a really long like two hour dm conversation and it was to steve's point
you know it was really you know he left the space for a while because of what happened to him
and it was really he i don't know him great i only had this one interaction with him but it was a really
good interaction so i'm gonna judge him based on that and he was another one where when all of that
shit happened to him it was like everybody on on nft twitter was like celebrating the fact that he
lost like millions of dollars and it just it really is such a like a sad thing to see when that happens
to people because whether you like him or not is irrelevant but to celebrate somebody's like
failures or losses just speaks to a lot of of who you are as a person and you should really look in
the mirror because ultimately like we're all in this together we all want this space to move forward
and we should support each other through the good and the bad is it okay i'm chiming in every
once in a while just to add contributions to the collection i just don't want to be over here unaware
of how you operate the space i like well we we tend to operate hands but feel free to hop in because
we're gonna we're gonna shut down here in a second so feel free to jump in one more time and then we'll
uh we'll go ahead and close no i'll just say bye that's fine i just don't want to be out of line
in this place and i think as myself i have a strong voice and i don't often understand how it travels
across the internet so thank you thank you guys for um hosting the space and i'm hoping to come
back is it every day every day at 8 a.m eastern time monday through friday and then we usually run
until about 10 30 so we're a little over right now but uh but definitely like something that we we try
to do on a day we definitely do on a daily basis uh for about a year and a half wow i was doing q and
on stuff over there on facebook for a long time trying to find the end of the uh rabbit hole but
thank you today for this space and opening it up you guys are great
appreciate that i i will say you know joey i i would echo what you said as well i appreciate
your um you know i appreciate your perspective and and i totally agree i mean we've you know
we've made the point like when we would talk about dgen network like when we talk about people like
shane and jp kaz the people in the war room who have been there since day one it's like
that is dgen right and like we set the tone based on what we think of as a community we want to
curate um but then it's up to the community to continue to grow it it's like when you think of
pudgy penguins you know yes people think of luca but you think of like the people in the community
and what makes it so awesome when you think of youths and d gods like yes frank and kevin set the
tone but you think about the people in the community that make it awesome when you think about you know
any real community you know apes like apes people don't often think about like gordon and garga and
certainly don't think about you know um you know uh you know daniel allegre their new uh ceo and
everything people think about the community local leaders they think about laura rodriguez you know
they think about those those folks who uh you know come to mind the people on the council the uh you
know people like that the josh ongs of the world like that's what people think when they think of
apes and i think that's pretty cool and that's dgen's no different in that sense right i mean
we're just a you know community like any other that is you know hoping to continue to grow with
like a great group of people and you know it's it's just a it's a token gated discord that wasn't
initially token gated but we kind of made the decision that we're like oh people want to token
gate this for a variety of reasons and we're going to do that and um it just creates a i think a home
base of like-minded thinkers that trust each other that like each other and you know to me that
that's what really matters um that said i am actually going to close it there just because
we're we're a little bit over and i definitely have a little bit uh a little bit of work to
finish getting done here today um it's going to be actually probably one of my busiest most stressful
days i've had in a very very very long time so um i'm going to go ahead and uh call it right there
appreciate everyone who came up this morning appreciate everyone who spoke uh appreciate everyone
who kept it civil as we talked through things that were politically charged and maybe not always
uh what people were looking for but being respectful and uh keeping honest through that i mean that's
something that i think we pride ourselves on in this space so appreciate everybody who did the
disagree without being disagreeable mantra uh with that said we'll send everybody off in their day
wish cap a safe trip home and we'll uh head off see everyone bright and early on monday morning check out
uh mint condition today lunch break at noon we have the show schedule pinned at the top
uh just finish this lunch break 12 to 1 that's rigs and j web a mint condition 4 to 5 night shift 11
to 12 and then of course saturday morning cartoons will get you set up on the weekend tomorrow thanks
everyone who came by today we will see everybody bright and early monday morning have a wonderful
wonderful weekend everybody
wonderful weekend
