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Community AMA — AtomicHub x Spielworks
Recorded: Sept. 13, 2023 Duration: 1:37:30Space Recording
Full Transcription
Hello, we're about to start, just waiting for our CEO to join in as a speaker.
Welcome, everybody who's joined so far.
And we are going to go to the next meeting.
It's a great meeting.
And then we're going to be here to join.
safe to start no how are you feeling adrian
i'm good hope that everyone here is good as well i mean i do see a few familiar names so um
it's not it's not exclusively um atomic hub non wombat community but um yeah of course if anyone
wants to come up with any questions you can obviously start with that already um if not then
we can also uh obviously start it off with a with a little bit of background and and kind of
plans and so on or did you have anything in mind olga well there is a burning question from
uh particularly the representatives of atomic hub right um about the burner account because some of
those some of them still had assets in it or sent to it um and they're wondering what's going to happen
to those um that's that's essentially it but i do think it would make sense to start uh with a little
bit of an intro first so people kind of know who both of us are um i can kick off so for those
who don't know me yet my name is olga i'm doing continent communications at spillworks for wombat
dungeon master and i'm also slowly transitioning into this role for atomic hub it's a very exciting
adventure for sure a very challenging one too and i'm looking forward to everything that we can
basically achieve under under this brand adrian the floor is yours
yeah so i'm adrian i'm the founder and ceo at spillworks um i i'm a gamer by heart and a mathematician and
uh computer scientist by education i have a background in trad fi used to work with um
with the german stock exchange for a long time i've been an entrepreneur for more than 10 years
i've been in the blockchain space for a really long time so i bought bitcoin for the first time in 2013
i think in february um 2013 i'm still trying to get my claims against mount gox back and now uh yesterday
i was looking at the celsius thing where i had money stuck anyway um i'm i live in berlin so the company
is based in berlin um so i've been a member of the berlin blockchain space quite early on um we
founded fieldworks the company in 2018 so we've been around for a long time we launched um wombat in
june 2019 wombat has had its fourth birthday um this year this summer um yeah we've we've started out
a lot in the eos space eos was looking like a very good competitor to ethereum back in 2018 when it
launched mainnet um we got into the wax space quite early on after wax had basically moved to eosio
technology um we ourselves launched um the one by dungeon master game in december 2021 um and yeah
so we've been active in the in the wax community in the eos community um for an extended period of time
we've known obviously known um atomic hub but also the other nft marketplaces like nephew blocks and
the ti right um very well we have issued and um yeah and processed a ton of nfts uh dungeon master
in and of itself is an nft staking game if you're not familiar um we can stick your nfts and get a reward
um for that um we have about a million and a half nft staked total in the game so it's it's crazy right
um so yeah um then um we we had noticed we got notice about um atomic hub being in trouble and then um
we kind of thought okay it would be worth preserving this and saving this so that's how we basically came
up with the idea of acquiring atomic hub together with a bunch of the team um that basically happened
not too long ago so um it's only been a week and a half pretty much um so it's all gone really really
fast um we're still in the kind of integration and migration phase where we're trying to get everything
up to speed back back to speed basically when it comes to well delivering software making changes
but also um processes right a lot of people have been asking about whitelisting badging requests
so we're we're basically taking that over um so all these little bits and parts right where you have
to kind of um set up new accounts and and all that stuff right um so yeah but that's that's me
that's us um and that's how we're that's how we're here
so yeah that's basically a brief intro um maybe since you already touched on the topic adrian uh
because this was a huge question for everybody right uh how the processes are going to be handled
where we are with the badges and the white listing and whatnot and also of course the burner account i would
uh think that um we we gotta cover those topics first right so the most important operational stuff
from the uh kind of the community and the creator's point of view what would you say um sets us apart
from how it has been handled before and um where we are at the moment with uh with all of those things
because last week we said we would start essentially this week with that and i do think that the community
would appreciate a little bit of an update on that front yeah so um i don't want to talk too much
about how it's been before because a i may not know for sure right and b um i don't in no way i
don't want to go in a direction where i would bash um the founders or any anyone kind of being involved
with atomic hub uh formerly previously right um so but what i can say is how we treat things
is that um and that that's always been the case right that we want to be open um that we want to
collaborate um that we're we're we're on to partnerships um so um we're very good friends
with neft blocks and neft hive um we there's no intention whatsoever to well get competitive with
them now right um so we'll keep our good relationship with them we'll try and collaborate more on to
basically deliver more value to to the community to everyone um the wax space is really really cool
but it's also very very small right um so i mean obviously that counts for pretty much all the
blockchain ecosystems but um it's a small space and we're looking to for it to grow right um
like like like we basically always did and that and that stuff doesn't change just because we
now also acquired atomic hub right um so that's that's kind of as a general remark we um we want
to grow the space we want to help the space grow we want to help creators actually have a better time
and easier time um creating stuff launching stuff and and well making
i'm not saying necessarily making a living right but or but basically being able to run stuff sustainably
and it's not easy in this in these times right in the in a deep bear market cycle um so the the closer
we have to be like work together and the closer we need to collaborate um when it comes to the
processes so our first priority is to um
um to try and sustain these processes right so to continue these processes pretty much as they were
and maybe here and there cut some corners if possible but um first we need to understand
what was it that was done what was the intention what were the um the uh how you say the prerequisites
or the requirements for for these things right were there any kind of legal implications and so on
right so especially for the whitelisting and the badging um in the like from from my point of view
and from our kind of um yeah spielworks old uh point of view we would like to simplify things a lot
right and have um kind of clear rules for and simple rules for whitelisting and badging and be very
efficient in pursuing that but we first need to check kind of why was it done like that right and what
what would it take to actually continue it the same way it was and um and then like how can we simplify
or how can we make it easier on everyone right so faster so like a good example for that is um the
company uh the company badge is um requires a full uh kyb know your business um process so the question
is is there kind of any legal requirement for that why that is or could could it could it be a
simpler check that's both simpler for um for any interested party to perform um the the paperwork
basically um but also that can that that is easier on our kind of um on our yeah staff right so that's
just an example um but first and foremost yeah we we need to kind of create an inventory of all the
things that um that are lying around or that have been stuck for a while um and that also goes for
the for the burn address uh for the burn account um so i didn't know i didn't i wasn't aware let's put
this for that way i probably knew it was it probably came up on some list right that this is owned by the
the pink gg account and that now not now i mean basically it's possible to transfer assets from there
that's obviously not what the burn account should do right um so the consequence of this would be that
it has no heaps right um but there might be some reason for it to still have keys so we first would want
to find out um why it has keys and like what would happen if we would remove them right what what is
it that would anything break so um that's why like we're we don't want to kind of just shoot i do agree
with everyone being concerned about okay this is a burn account this should should be dead this should be a
dead end right um but we have no intent in moving any of the assets and it was not us moving these
moving any assets from there right this was done prior to the handover and um yeah now we're now
we're obviously supposed to answer questions on that um but why um it to me it's still a bit early to
answer i mean i've been getting these questions already also monday um and they're they're totally legit
right i'm not saying they're not um it's just that um please bear with us for a little longer um
for us to be able to to give you a definite answer on what we're going to do with it um because um it's
a lot of these tiny little tiny little obviously for some it's not little right but for us in the grand
steel things it's a lot of these bits and pieces that we have to figure out and that we have to
consolidate in the end um so but that's that's just part of it and until then we're not gonna
we're not gonna move any any of the assets or whatever well that's at least comforting to hear
i do hope that uh our representatives atomic hub representatives will you know uh have their mind at
a peace with this somewhat and uh we will of course uh how do i put it i don't think that this is
something that we want to de-prioritize right because it's people's tokens stuck in there essentially
um yeah was it a question sorry yeah it's it was there was the question mark at the end
of uh of my sentence um sorry i somehow lost lost your train i don't know whether there was something
cut off or not could you repeat that like the question yeah the question is that we would not
want to de-prioritize that over anything else because we're talking about people's tokens there
i mean as far as understood they're burned right so people don't want them anymore or is that not
the right interpretation of it yes uh for like that was the intention for those tokens to be destroyed
but now that they're effectively in our hands people are concerned uh what we might do with that
hence comes this question yeah but like i said we're like we will not move them anywhere we have
no intent attention to to do anything with them the major the major topic is we should guarantee that
we're not moving them anywhere um and we can only guarantee that like physically by removing the keys
right from or moving the keys to for instance something like usio right um so that we
can't sign on it um so that would be the most consequent thing to be done that we could do but um
like i said we would first have to look at what other implications that might have um and we whether
there's anything else related to the burn address that we might be overlooking and i would i'm not
saying there is something i'm just saying um there shouldn't be something right but then again
shouldn't would mean that there shouldn't have been keys on that account to begin with
right if that's a real burn address so i don't know why there was and i don't know why
someone was able to move tokens from there right so it is it is weird and um we first need to look at that
that's fair all right folks does uh anybody have any questions they would like to ask now now that
we've covered i am i'm assuming topics that lingered on many people's minds the most
you can simply raise your hand with an emoji or request to speak and then i'll give you the floor
oh we didn't notice that we had uh wax even listening in on that that's cool
all right handstand marv they have a question and uh you're on please unmute yourself and ask whenever
you're ready yeah hi i hope you will you do sound all right hope the others are too um i i sent uh messages
directly yeah because i i since i was in speaker and uh but yeah we do understand that it's a it's a
touchy subject obviously keys at first were a weird thing but i guess you know we all on like it's just
an evolving uh entity and when everybody works on it everybody thinks differently not everybody knows how to
make the right decisions in the right time it's not always easy it's really really complex uh i'm not
a technician and all that i do understand a lot because i've spent many many hours studying the
whole subjects but you know we all rely on each other like i rely on the fact that i can trust the
people who built the tech the people who run the nodes and i can trust the people who write the smart
contracts and some wax they do not show for most cases uh they they they're not pushed to be shown
like they are on eth and it's it being shown i mean i've got a friend developing something
being shown he says it's really dangerous it's it's really tough to make decisions and i think it's
fair for for people to be frightened but it's also fair and people who've got to handle things you know
you've got to at some point you've got to have someone who proves the the one way or the other
it's going to be good or bad people are going to have to to see that but it is one also fair thing
about decentralization is many uh maybe have more people work on more options not to like downgrade
the atomic hub and stuff like that but it's just in the sense that these things are less likely to be
so so so powerful on the mind of people and dangerous as a whole if you have more options you know so
that was pretty much the take basically
yeah i think um you're totally right right that um if you have a critical piece of infrastructure then
it's always better than if if you have alternatives right um so that's also why
um yeah there's no intention by us to actually push anyone out right we really appreciate that
there is competition on the um on the nft marketplace side um that's very healthy it's a very good thing
that there's shared liquidity um for all the marketplaces um we would always we would appreciate
having shared liquidity on on all the blockchains right so that that fosters collaboration we're
looking to um to open that up um even more right um so i mean but at the same time we have now
acquired atomic hub as it is right so with all its advantages and cool things but also with all its
flaws and weaknesses if there are any right so whatever um is being brought up in terms of um oh yeah the
um yeah the dependence on atomic hub or whatever has been a thing that um was like in the original design
and we had no influence on that right so um we're here to improve things um make things better but first
we need to understand kind of what really needs to be improved right and because a lot of the things
especially yeah in the more detailed view are really new from a kind of procedural point of view right we've mostly been consumers um of atomic hub and the other marketplaces um and users um
um but not um yeah involved in the in the internal processes so that's something that we need to learn
and then um well but that's also why we want to like we always dox ourselves right we want to be
we want to be known with our names not as like pseudonyms we're we're here we always want to be here we'll
we'll always respond um we'll always take your questions and and remarks and and even if there's
concerns and accusations or whatever we'll always respond to them um because we like to be open about
that stuff um again not saying uh it was in any other way just that this is how we want to treat
things um even if that's exactly what it was before um but if it was and so um yeah that's how that's how
we want to treat things right and so if anyone has any concerns about about us i'm um i would really like
to hear them right if any if anyone doesn't like uh things uh like like the way likes the way the how
we treat things and i'd also like to hear that but also if people and that that's what mostly has
been the the reaction so far is that people are positive about it um about us being uh being now
the owners of atomic hub and running this um so we're we're obviously trying to live up to that right
all the while obviously trying to to be like conservative in a way where we first want to preserve
anything that's been there so that everything keeps keeps working um and yeah so that's that's
basically how it stands yeah i i understand that's what i was saying too people gotta understand you
know if you invest in something you also gotta trust the process doesn't always go according to
to everyone's plan and not everybody sees the whole picture and as you said you you come into something
that was already built you gotta understand how people code and write stuff and as you said procedure
probably depending on where you're from and stuff like that it it varies a lot and people gotta
understand you know well it's part of the game too like you if you don't have control and you don't
want to have full control you got to also trust on and partially being reliant on others at any point
anyway so it's just a reality of life you know
can't but agree with that um all right uh do you have a follow-up question maybe before i hand
the floor over to the next person no i'm i'm all good thanks i'm ready to listen see who's got to say
what thanks for having me enjoy thank you very much that was a very very insightful um yeah exchange
that we had here cheers and i hope you're liking things so far in the space
all right next up we have marklar x sorry that he had to wait so long um but yeah feel free to
unmute yourself and ask your question whenever you feel like it
marklar x europe just need to unmute your microphone there we go i'm sorry i didn't hear you say my name
uh i think you might actually have answered my question but i came in late and you were you
were just talking about it is badging or whitelisting is it on hold right now while you guys are settling in
um it's not really on hold um we're basically just taking over the process right so i wouldn't say
it's on hold where um it just takes a little um for us to to like take over the process i believe
that we'll be able to actually process the first request and there's a little bit of a backlog
obviously as early as tomorrow or friday right so it's not we're not like far out um with that um
it's just that there's yeah there's been a backlog um i think it hasn't like nothing has been processed
for an extended period of time um so we're we're doing our best to actually catch up with everything so
um we're we're almost we're almost there all right that's what i figured i just wanted to check
because i put in for it a while ago and never heard anything you guys have a good one thank you
yeah like just for your for for your information it took a while until we had access to all the
relevant kind of systems with all the requests right then you obviously want to like migrate them and
make sure that we don't lose them and if something goes wrong and then um you basically start looking
into them and now we have to define some kind of a little policy because the people who have been
doing that are not there anymore right so we have to take care of it now and then that obviously take
all takes a little while but um we're we're getting there there's room for improvement anyway so great thank you
yeah that's what we that's what we like hearing right that um if there is room for improvement then
it's always great if we know it right and then we can basically act on it um and and improve but um
yeah first we want to understand kind of what's been going on um how people like what was the intention
and then we we always we already have ideas and a vision of like um what we what we want this process
to actually be able to do but um that doesn't necessarily mean that this is in line with what
it used to be and what people's expectations are right so that's that's obviously also something that
we need to figure out
definitely agree there thank you very much for clarix uh next up we have steward just let me
quickly give you access okay there you go you're up steward please and youtube microphone and ask your
question uh hi how you doing everyone great to be here um i've just got a real quick question
is the whitelisting policy going to be the same as it was with atomic hub
yeah that's one of the parts where um
we don't know for sure um because on one hand there that's that's kind of a very difficult um
question um or uh consideration there because on one hand um we've heard a lot of complaints from
people saying it should be stricter because um we should basically somehow guarantee
um that there's no rug pulls from whitelisted collections because we're somehow right we're
approving them um in a way at the same time um everyone's saying okay no we need our our
collections whitelisted so the process should be faster and more lightweight right and that's obviously
a conflict of interest and we're like okay so we need to identify some kind of a philosophy or like a
general guideline to um what that is supposed to mean the whole whitelisting thing and um
and the badging right also what's what's the actual semantics of the of the badges what what's the
interpretation that we want to give everyone and what what are the guarantees that we give right
what what what do we check essentially and then um everything else will be in the hands of the users and
that's not going to be that's not always going to be pleasant right because we've had a long
discussion internally yesterday and today about about this like um a rack pull what is a rack pull
like how do we define and i mean obviously you know when there's a rack pull you know that
it happened right but it's hard to make a definition of okay if the project disappears within two weeks
after its inception then this is a rack pull but then again right it's it's very hard to write down
a clear rule for when it is and when it isn't right and then everyone would complain that okay
if it's if it's like slightly outside of the definition then it wouldn't apply and then
whatever right so it's really hard to come up with like very very hard rules for this um which is why
it's going to take a little bit of time to actually adjust to kind of the overall community
sentiment what is it that's actually wanted with that right what are the protections that we want
to generate what or or maybe there is none right and um yeah so maybe it's also going to be a little
bit of a back and forth in terms of um how we apply these rules but um so the to your question i'm giving
you the long story as i often do but um your question um it will change for sure because we don't
we don't know what the hard policy was internally before that right we have a certain idea of what
this can do um and we will try to adjust that to the well community expectations essentially yeah i
i won't go into what our story is with whitelisting and so on it's this isn't the appropriate forum for it
um but from a a rug pulling point of view how about doing it where um uh people
i lost you right there you're still there
hello no no i hear you good okay so i just went outside and i'm wandering around and i think i'm
going in and out of the signal um if you was to have it where um you know like ceos must be doxxed or
team members may it must be doxxed that would probably minimize um any potential rug pulls because
you know people know who they are um people with appropriate audits um again they're going to
minimize rug pull opportunities um i think there are certain procedures you can put into place i don't
think you're ever going to guarantee um that a rug pull can't happen but i think you can minimize those
issues you know with various policies and and so forth in place um my point was more um of underlying
underlying issues um from within atomic hub when it was atomic hub um and some of their policies and
procedures were just way off of the mark um and i'll probably leave it there because like i said it's
this isn't the the place for me to go into detail of of our story with atomic hub um but i probably will
reach out to somebody uh and go into it a little bit more detail um but um you know yeah it was just
to try to ensure really that um you know that the procedures were going to be in place yeah i mean
your input on that and that can be very very detailed right we don't have to discuss this in
the twitter space of course right but um your detailed input on that would be very very valuable
because that's kind of the lack that of of experience that we now have with individual
cases where um x was decided and y happened right um we don't have that because we couldn't inherit
all of that right we couldn't preserve all of that we know some some things but also it's a big pile
of information that's not like structured the same way we structure well we used to structure things
right so it is it is a little bit of digging but also a little bit a lot of community knowledge
and some people will say you must have heard of that um but maybe we didn't right um so your your
detailed input would be very very valuable on these things because obviously specifically these kinds of
badging and whitelisting and so on processes i mean they are meant to prevent or to prevent from
very extreme cases specifically so it's good to know these extreme cases right um whatever extreme
means yeah yeah no absolutely wonderful um would there be a preferred person that i should reach out to
um you can you can talk to matt bernardo um on discord for sure or send an email or like whatever
suits you right um we're we're basically everywhere um you can also drop me drop me or
the atomic hub account a dm on on twitter whatever okay whatever is preferred yep wonderful um i really
appreciate your time and um i really love what you're doing from you know literally across all of your board
um you know we we've implemented a few wombat products so you know i'm i'm really impressed with
wombat and it's great that you've taken over atomic hub keep up the great work and we'll see
you in the future thank you very much for your time thank you thanks for coming up and see you soon
bye-bye thank you very much steward for your kind words that that was really heartwarming okay we uh
don't have any uh questions in the queue right now but i do see that pixel journey had a few comments
left them in and replies pixel journey do you maybe want to ask your questions or give you input
um yeah in the voice so to say
okay we have a request and that's from tea break sorry pixel journey you're gonna have to
give them uh the spot first um okay tea break you're up
yep we hear you loud and clear awesome great hope you guys are all doing well um first of all i want
to say uh thank you to the to the wombat team for stepping up uh in this you know kind of kind of a
dire time and taking the initiative to help out uh with atomic hub i really appreciate it on on behalf of
like literally like the whole wax community right um so i had two questions one of them was um what are
the uh the prospects for returning wax backed assets to be visually displayed on the atomic hub platform
that's the first question um and the second question is um will you guys be providing like
in-depth support for projects that are trying to um you know get not just whitelisted but just as as a
whole um just providing feedback and also like actually playing playing the games that people are
trying to get uh whitelist especially game projects um because back in back in 2021 just to give an
example there was a project called ancient realm and ended up doing like 1.6 million dollars in volume
and their game was a stolen game called melva idol that had its source code open they pretty much stole
the entire ui the whole game and they just plugged in smart contract actions for just equipping items
and they just it was a complete rug and it's like if there was any level of vetting you know of any
but i know obviously like you know you can get spread thin with so many projects and you need a whole
lot of a lot of people to be able to vet you know truly like deeply look into projects but um if
there was really like any any good depth of vetting it would have been picked up that hey this this game
is this is not their game this is just stolen source code you know what i mean um so uh so yeah those are
my two questions um i'll answer the first one because that's not easy but easier first right um so um the
wax backed nfts we literally had a discussion with the product team this morning and i said i definitely
think this news needs to come back right um the reason why this was kicked out as far as i know was
because um people started basically circumventing the fee structure right by basically backing nfts
using um using the trade function and um yeah to trade against the cheap nft or whatever and then
whatever um and that's something you can always do right um so i know that there's a lot of fraud
scenarios for anything what where where things are actually designed differently but then they are
being exploited so that will always happen but we should we should actually optimize for the happy
case and the happy customers and the ones who aren't pushing everything uh to like yeah to to the to the
like technically possible limits right um so from a first glance and this is again something that will
have to be verified i think we should definitely bring it back and we should bring it back soon
um both uh like showing that um an nft is back because obviously that will have a huge influence
can have a huge influence on its on its value but also um like allowing uh to back token to back nfts
with tokens again i would actually even go further but that's beyond our our control um i would actually
say we should allow much much like many many more different tokens to be used for backing nfts because
it's such a cool feature and we should we should basically have not all the tokens that are
available in wax but like the most relevant tokens which are obviously no rack pulls and stuff um like
the wombat token but maybe also like the taco or nfty or whatever tokens right um tlm whatever uh to be
used for backing and i honestly don't know why there's only wax and pgl available for that right so that long
story again um but we will be working on bringing that back and then if it doesn't work or what is
whatever exploded in whatever way and we'll try to find solutions for that but um right now that's kind
of our stance on that um and to your second question so in general and that's kind of the advantage of
having wombat and dungeon master and atomic hub and launch pad and atomic ads having that all under one roof
we can do so much more for projects especially game projects than just whitelisting their collections
right so um we can help promoting them across the board right um i don't know how many of you are aware
of our twitch channel for instance we have an awesome twitch channel where we also do interviews amas with
um with game projects um it's one of the largest web3 gaming channels on twitch so just as an example
right we have we have now two awesome discord communities they will not be merged we'll keep
them separate um we where we can actually help uh game projects actually gain traction right um we can do
push notifications on wombat we can list in wombat right um we can do um challenges um whatnot um and of
course help on the launch pad help with um highlighting collections on atomic hub right and and all these
things so that i think that's a mega advantage um for anyone actually building a legit legit um project
especially like i said when it's games um to gain traction um to uh to be promoted to find the
community to find an audience um the vetting process yeah i mean in this market it's it's actually a good
market um in a sense because there's much much less like rugs and much much fewer rugs much much less
noise much much less scam and so on right because it's just not worth as much and the risk is the
same um but that doesn't mean that nobody's rugging and we just it just so happened that in wombatx right
when we launched our our program to actually help games find audiences in web3 we had one of these
examples where there was a team that wanted to they didn't want to get doxed um and they were allowed
we we still allowed them on stage to present their game but they just so happened to um to yeah rugged
i think a few days later or so and it was it was crazy because um that was the only team that didn't
dox themselves right and we're like okay why are not doxing yourselves like if you're legit then why
wouldn't you right um so we typically know the people who we work with um we typically have
contracts uh all right we we work like a real world company and that often helps uh with these
kinds of things right if um if you know who these people are and what they're who their beneficial
owners are and whatnot right um then this typically helps not like prevent entirely but reduce the
amount or reduce likelihood of of getting getting rugged um so that's a little bit unrelated to
obviously the the whole um white listing and and badging process because that like when we promote
stuff we actually like there's our reputations obviously at stake there at large right if if there's
this is just kind of a process of something that has been traded on atomic hub i think that's that's
somewhat different but if we actively promote something we better be sure that this is legit
right so we have yeah we have um i think we have a better process a stronger process there um than um
than kind of just the usual um procedural white listing but then again also we will only work with
select projects because we can't promote everything that's out there hope that answers your question
yeah thank you so much i add one more question um as well um we've seen the uh sort of like a trend
on on blockchains like ethereum uh where there was sort of like a a race to providing the lowest fees
um on royalties and stuff and to just drive uh drive volume and drive um drive attention uh to different
marketplaces and um now on on ethereum it's like uh most of the marketplaces don't like they no longer
respect the the royalty fee on uh on like whatever whatever collection like dictates
and it sort of seems to just highlight this kind of like critical flaw in in smart contract technology
which is that well i mean fundamentally with smart contracts you're able to program money so
if you have like a collection fee it's like well you can just create a marketplace contract that just
ignores that collection fee um and i'm it's it's not something that's like current that currently exists
on wax but it is technically a uh a matter of time you know um until we see those kind of things
starting to pop up uh and i was just i was just wondering if you have any thoughts on that
yeah very very good one um i think one of the critical parts and this is not the only part but one of
the critical parts with the blur versus open sea wars um and also whatever i mean that it was started on solana
right the whole magic eden um kind of thing right when they it broke earlier than on on the theorem but
um the blur versus open sea wars actually accelerated this and then brought it to kind of a wider
attention and it's a very very bad thing that's been happening there and it's entirely detrimental to
the entire nft space blur isn't making money with that open sea isn't making money with that
none of the creators are making money with that anymore right and it can't be good for sure
right and yes you're right inherently if you have nfts and you have a transfer function on nfts
then you can send them anywhere so you can send them to any kind of marketplace protocol and then they
can be traded there without kind of um the enforcement of the of the given rules what i think helps a big
deal with that and i mentioned that earlier and it's one of the aspects that are important to us
is shared liquidity because in the end the war between blur and the open sea is about liquidity
right so if you win the liquidity war then you basically win it all right then you have because
anyone coming up wanting to sell or to buy will know that the most efficient um the price discovery
will be on the most liquid market for that asset right that's kind of standard game theory in markets
um stuff right and so i've known that from my exchange uh times as well because it was always about
um you like the the most professional traders they always go where most of the liquidity is
so now on wax we have the atomic market protocol which basically hosts pretty much 100 of the of the
liquidity for any given atomic assets nft or collection right so so long as there is no incentive to build
build a competitor to this which could host more liquidity than the atomic market um conglomerate um
there is like we don't have to fear that these um yeah that the the collection fees will will go away
right because we we don't believe in in um zero fees for nfts and we we actually do believe in royalties being a
very very very good way of monetizing well you work essentially as a creator um so um we want to keep
it that way right and that's why creators are setting a a collection fee a royalty if they wanted zero then
they would set it to zero right it's as easy as that um so so long as they as they think it's a five
percent two percent ten percent whatever the value is is a fair value then whoever wants to buy that
asset and sell and like obviously with the expectation of maybe selling that asset later
will understand that this is what they are getting themselves into and they should respect this
so we will never say never but we will we we don't have any plans whatsoever to give into that
pressure of circumventing any any um creator fees and so long as um yeah most of the liquidity is on
the atomic market protocol including nefty blocks and a key hive and so on um and there is no like
fierce competition in terms of liquidity and uh right any new marketplace coming in would also want to
join this liquidity pool so they would also obey to those rules that's not going to be a thing
but if we look at at other markets right if we were to um if we were to migrate open uh atomic hub to
polygon and we didn't have an open uh shared liquidity protocol that would take care of that
obviously then the question would be why would you trade on atomic hub on polygon if um if royalties
are enforced there um but you could at the same time just sell it uh on magic eden or open sea with no royalties
enforced and then you have a totally different discussion right so it's a complex discussion
but on wax i really love and i really enjoy the shared liquidity thing on immutable x we have the
same thing on eos okay atomic hub is the only marketplace but um whoever wants to come in there
and use the atomic market protocol can use that so there's no no problem with enforcing royalties whatsoever right
now all right thank you for your time thank you very much tea break
okay uh we do have a couple of questions from uh pixel journey they cannot sadly um ask them themselves
because apparently there is some noise concern but uh i will ask the questions on their behalf if that's okay
so question number one is uh what you as atomic hub have as a goal for the marketplace
and those badges if that makes sense
um so the goal is um to run a sustainable business right first and foremost um in this current market
everyone's struggling right i just mentioned um open sea and blur it's impossible for them to make money
it's pretty much impossible for any marketplace on wax to currently make money um so there's a reason
for and for the insolvency there's many many more casualties of this bear market the major
goal is to actually keep atomic hub running sustainably right as a business um because in
the end it's also a business it is a community project and we want to support everyone but it is
also a business right so it needs to kind of follow the rules of um sorry to say that but capitalism where
you need to make the money that you spend at least right um so yeah that's um that's important because
only then we can actually guarantee that this all will will be up and we have a little bit of um
flexibility to do stuff um um so and that will mean that we will have to expand our reach
maybe yeah beyond uh the networks that atomic hub is currently running on that is wax eos and
and immutable acts um in order for it to be more sustainable right um i'm not talking about like
profitability or or making a ton of money right i'm literally talking about being able to sustain the current
market conditions so that's um so if you ask what the like bigger goal is i answer that so but if you
boil it down to what it what it means is that we need to explore um additional ways of expanding the business
and that might be expanding to other networks um obviously polygon has been mentioned a lot of times
already that's also why i picked that up um there might be other opportunities um or there will be
other opportunities as well um but also trying to and i said it earlier trying to improve the situation
for all the wax creators um for all the wax creators out there um so um we want to be of service for for
for everyone to generate more engagement um with um wax nft collections um and like create a space where it's
basically more fun and more um more productive for everyone to actually be in right um so that's kind of our our
our our primary goals um to when it comes to atomic hub all right thank you for answering that they have
a follow-up question if you will um have you considered using a community guiding uh i'm assuming that
input from the community or community created guidelines for uh badging essentially because as
uh as a big notes if it's implemented fully with care uh for it not to get in the risk of uh you know
being controlled by bots or whales this could be very beneficial
yeah um i mean we immediately when you start talking about community driven you will have to start
talking about um the governance there right so um there's no no flat kind of easy answer for this um in general
we have a history and a reputation um in being very very open with the community speaking with
the community via all kinds of channels right we have the tavern happening every monday the tavern
stream two hours of stream every week just about stuff that's going on in our ecosystem we have regular
um amas and discord events we have these twitter spaces on right so we we appreciate a lot of input and we
all take it in and it's it gets consolidated not everything gets implemented right but we do have a history of that
that so um having a governing body for kind of badging and whitelisting rules and basically maybe even
handing the job of um whitelisting and and um and badging over the community to be honest i haven't thought
about that at first glance at first sound it sounds very appealing um and that's kind of
um i'll give you an example and it's a little bit of a detour but um it's the same or it's a very similar
question to the one that we had in dungeon master last year when we had to decide and we still
are deciding a lot of factors when it comes to um which which collections get on become stakable
a dungeon master and at which mining powers right and we have no business in this we don't want to be
doing this and that's that's the truth right we don't want to be deciding who's good and who's bad
and why this is getting 35 mining power and this is getting 42 right um that's not not our intention we
just do it because we got ourselves in that situation more or less deliberately we obviously didn't expect it to
go where it went and so we're working on on more and more moving that into the hands of the community
like the decision what becomes stakable and with which mining power right so that's why we did the
what that's why we started the the wombat token votes because we wanted that to be in the in the hands
of the community and that's i i can't really really imagine um that this would be a thing that can be totally
owned by the community right um the the major concern that i would have is how do you come up with a
proper with a proper governance for that but it i haven't thought about it that way that's the first
time i hear it i think it's a great idea um and not only the rules but maybe even the process of
actually doing this could be decentralized and in the hands of the community and i would i think like
like i said at first glance i would love it all right thank you very much uh we have one person
in the queue it's our dear friend lisa wanted to ask a question approved lisa whenever you're ready
please ask your question
lisa we cannot hear you are you with us we need to unmute you i'm here it takes a minute to click
over i saw it happening hey everyone first of all thank you so much you all have been in the
public chatting so much um but in the few moments in between people are mentioning that you're chatting
in the public in the meetings that are happening so it's like you're talking all the time to the
communities and people are loving it and thank you so much for doing that first of all second of all
planet icky has a governance committee and would be happy to help lead that process in our virtual space
if you'd like to figure out how to create governance for that and that would be super exciting um but
really i'm here to address uh the concept of revenue and a possible opportunity of creating a nonprofit
hub as part of atomic hub and i have a lot of experience in that would love to help you do that
and i've been awaiting and looking forward to the opportunity to invite nonprofits in to the
wax space and i think it scales really well um for various reasons and i think there is a lot of
opportunity and it's a good um purchase for a nonprofit to to buy a solution because they'll
attract donors and some of those donors will even be able to give major gifts down the road
to make a long story short and um from what i hear from my friends who uh sell to them um as many of
us have for decades they are super eager and willing to do things um but they're confused about
what to do and i think we have some great opportunities and um i think everyone here knows
how much we love our nfts on wax and would love to bring that love over to more people who are helping
do good things on earth and in the metaverse and so um i'll put that out there as an idea and uh
again happy to support and we're really really excited about everything and glad you all are here
and don't hesitate to reach out uh lisa thanks thanks a lot for your warm words first of all not only today but
um throughout the entire week last week when you were it feels like on all the sessions and you're
you were always like very um very excited and very keen so thanks for that um i actually sent you a
discord a friend because on discord so we can we can discuss there or we can also jump over to telegram
to discuss that um really happy to hear your thoughts and um how we can help with that i think we can do a big
deal right um so um yeah really happy to help uh non-profits to actually get into nfts um a friend
of mine has been has been working on stuff um not on wax unfortunately but um he's been doing quite a
bunch in terms of um non-profits ngos um and uh sustainability and stuff so super happy to hear
your thoughts to and to do whatever we can right because um yeah more interesting content will
definitely make this uh make the space a better place that's so exciting and just to mention there
is a big difference between ngos which are the non-profit governmental organizations which typically
the money goes through grants and long process whereas non-profit organizations like the people in
charge of development or fundraising can make the decision to spend their budget so it's a little bit
easier to access and there's millions of them and then um in the united states alone and um yeah
they're really quite fun to work with it's about customizing you know to get it the way they need
for their specific rules and stuff but we're right there able to do it i think it's a good time for it
yeah totally and um i mean there's there's one thing in terms of tooling for instance that's also
um something that we've been discussing now already with an atomic hub is for instance we have good
we have good creator tools but um obviously nefti have for let's just give an example have really good
tools right so we want to interlink that so that we don't have to build whatever nefti have right so we
can what we can what we want is foster collaboration and and also um engagement with any of these um
any of these collections for instance so if there's let's imagine there's a blend um for a particular
collection or for a particular template that's on nefti we want to link there right and so also when it
comes to helping new um new people come into the space we want to offer kind of the full toolbox of
things and talk to them about it um and even if that means that they're using nefti blocks or nft hive
for it doesn't matter right or any other tool there's a lot of tools um wax tools and stuff um so um yeah
or just happy to basically offer whatever we can and all the support in order for non-profits
um and ngos um to do whatever they want they want to achieve right
so yeah ping me lisa ping me feel free to ping me on on discord or um
i'll fly from telegram over to discord through twitter and we'll get there
all right thank you so much for your question lisa always a delight to have you
you you know in the chats or on these spaces much appreciation much love from the whole of our team
okay uh we don't have any questions in the queue let me just quickly scroll through replies if we have
any any other ones um lisa did mention adding nfts to atomic hub what's your thought on this assuming
that those would be cosmetics something for the front of us although you've been cutting off at
least for me could you repeat that yes of course uh i just said that uh in replies lisa also mentioned
adding ux nfts to the atomic hub so what what do you think about that because i'm assuming those would be
cosmetics to you know customize the atomics i i i was interpreting this as adding ux network um the there's the
eosio slash antelope um powered blockchain called ux network um so i was reading this as um hey can we get
uh ux network uh or atomic hub onto ux network uh that's what i was interpreting um but not sure
but when it comes to more networks obviously that's that's what i said earlier right that's something
that we'll have to explore for sure um which ones they are obviously use io chains um are fairly easy to
integrate because it's the same technology um as wax and eos so that should be doable um whether it's
like actually worth it in terms of um the cost of running the infrastructure versus the um the revenue
that can be made yeah we'll have to see um but yeah if it comes to well um other like cosmetics or whatever
if that's that's that's that's a thing um that's definitely something that we'll be exploring maybe
that's that's kind of um an answer a larger answer to this or not an answer to the question but maybe
just a bigger comment um in within within wombat and um dungeon master we've always been trying to push
push kind of innovation new things um utility for nfts right um blending interesting gamification all
these kinds of things so i think it's a very interesting proposition to spread that across
to atomic hub as well so that we would actually start creating or not start but keep creating more content
ourselves that um is then related to atomic hub and that can can do can have utility with an atomic hub
so some of you might know the duration pickers that we have in dungeon master for instance so you
basically unlock a particular feature by having or staking a particular nft right so if you have a 15
minute duration picker nft and just take that then you can use the 15 minute run duration for that season
and um i can totally imagine um having stuff like that utility nfts for atomic hub one thing that's been
requested is um being able to use nfts in your wallet as a profile picture but we can obviously expand on
that there's so many things we're at the we're just scratching the surface of what we can do now that
we have this conglomerate of of wombat dungeon master and atomic hub in one place so um all the creativity
from the community is also highly welcome uh at that at that step um because um yeah we have a lot of
ideas but maybe there's even better ideas there always are we have another spending and uh i think if
nobody asks else has other questions we can wrap up uh here that's france matthew france i have just
approved your request and uh feel free to ask your question whenever you want to
do just gotta unmute yourself first france please unmute your microphone and uh ask your question
france matthew are you with us
well i guess not but we do have blaze in the queue so let me pull them up real quick
blaze you are approved so feel free to unmute yourself and ask your question whenever you feel like
it what's going on everybody hey blaze here og in the space i've been around for a while since the
beginning with uh wax really appreciate everybody's time and effort you guys put into this um just
curious um the the hardest thing i have to stay stay focused on wax and spend time on the nfts there is
sales and marketing like you know straight up sales and marketing uh i feel that there's a lack of it
and originally there was a nice structure at wax uh back in the big ip days um but then failing to
um retain any of the you know like tops and hot wheels and such uh really put a uh a dent in the in the
space uh in regards to wax and i'm just curious what efforts are being done to bring another big ip
over um so we can get that buzz and energy around to to um you know help to boost the ecosystem
um wow um so yeah that's i think that's a major kind of um bootstrapping traditional bootstrapping
issue right so if you have a lot of ips on your network platform whatever it is um and you want to add
more that's always easier than to get the first ones to actually do it so actually the fact that
we still have funko on on wax is is a gold mine in that respect so that should make business development
a lot easier um now the problem is that yeah so if you want to convince anyone and to go on on like to
come into our ecosystem um you would have to convince them of both well the wax network and the wax
ecosystem and uh the kind of yeah revolving nft ecosystem including atomic hub um on that and that
is not an easy sell right if there is so much so many alternatives out there right now um and that
would have to go hand in hand with um with well support from wax themselves or some other representatives
from kind of the core wax ecosystem right so because um it yeah it traditionally is a really hard sell if
you if you have to convince somebody to go on a particular chain no matter which one it is and then
the the the chain itself does not or wouldn't wouldn't be involved in that right and then the problem
or one of the major problems uh has been is that a lot of um a lot of other networks would offer
well huge grants some people call them bribes um for them to actually move over
right and obviously that's that's very legit from a from a business perspective if you can choose
between a network that offers you nothing and the network that offers you whatever two million
for a major ip to actually move on to uh to their network then which one would you choose if you know
nothing right um so that's a major that's been a major issue now we're in a deep bear market and
many many many of the um of the grant programs by by many of the layer one and layer two networks have
dried up so now we're looking more into like okay where of which network can you actually make a
business with your nfts and well that's also hard done because the wax ecosystem is fairly small right
also in terms of market cap um so um but but that's where we have much more chances for the wax ecosystem to
actually um stand a chance right um for for a lack of like big um big uh grants programs and whatnot
so yeah um i'm not sure like to to answer your actual question i'm not sure whether bringing on
large ips is the um is the first thing that would come to mind if it if it if it's about growing the
the ecosystem um because that's that that's a long process all these big ips they have a lot of
compliance issues right they would always want to double and triple check what who else like who are
they be there who they are being presented to next and if there's a kind of bad reputation they would not
want to damage their reputation um and so on so i would i would i'd rather go with kind of a smaller
less kind of big bang approach where because we also seen that just having one large ip or some large ips
on the network doesn't necessarily stimulate kind of the overall network you could see that on tezos
for instance with um with like ubisoft launching their ghost recon um things on tezos right that didn't
necessarily help um the entire tezos ecosystem at large right so i'd rather go with let's support all
the small medium-sized creators and all the games that actually want to build and let's help them build
a business on um or build a sustainable project on within the wax ecosystem and that in and of itself
should actually propel the entire ecosystem beyond its current borders and that would be my approach to
it and that's basically how we hope that we can now help the ecosystem in this combined um lineup of
offerings basically right so we can basically yeah run promos through wombat um if if there's something
going let's say there is a drop on the on the atomic app launch pad we can run promos within wombat
for that and these kinds of things right so that's that's stuff that we that we'll totally do we also
we've already reached out to a lot of well partners original partners of wombat and the dungeon master
obviously but also partners of atomic hub how we can actually deal with that situation with the
with this bear market situation and what we can do about it um we're also talking to wax themselves
obviously so yeah we'll we'll be trying what what we can but there i don't i don't really believe in
this kind of silver bullet okay let's get let's get um whatever um the starbucks to issue nfts um
uh on on wax and then we're gonna be fine sorry right no i mean it doesn't need to be you know
something huge like that but i mean something known and and engaging right for example i mean the number
the one number one project i'm i'm involved with right now is splinterlands right and their community
is rather large and atomic hub actually did some really cool tools and um you guys do so much things
better than over on hive and there's some stuff lacking and it's like it's almost like if you
guys just spoke to them and have a had a couple calls and found a way to integrate where you can
just swap nfts directly on atomic for hive um like if if the community wants to do a simple trade request
or um find a better way to uh improve the mint number system that they have because it's broken right
now they don't even have mint numbers on the cards uh little things like that that uh would just
improve their ecosystem as well and if there's a way that that can turn out to financial benefit
for atomic hub for example on you know uh activity for sales and such um that would be great and be a
win-win situation where you guys can give them the tools you have now that they don't have and uh
find a partnership there that that would work out so um and i know the hardest part right now is is
cash right doing all these projects take time and energy and that's what i was going to more with
the big ip it's not really big ip it's just you know companies with money that would come on board
and help fund projects and help you know uh the marketplaces on wax succeed yeah uh totally i mean
this is a great example and we've been at wombat we've been partners with splinterlands i don't know
for how long feels like it's probably been like three years right um and um so we know them uh quite
well and uh there's probably something we can pull off there and we're very open to this right we right
now we're also in a bit of an exploration phase where we can we basically have to see what what all we can
do um and whom whom we can help and how we can collaborate so um yeah happy to happy to discuss
that with splinterlands and alien worlds and all the ones still still building and still running on um
wax good stuff yeah thanks for your time and uh yeah last thing on that is like it's it's really blurry
right because from an end user's standpoint you guys uh atomic hub and and nft hive and and nifty
blocks you guys are all doing great work but it's just like we don't understanding how you guys can
generate more revenue i know on sales and such as number one nft sales but it's like is there other
ways that the community can help can we do things because it's and what what's reliant on wax and what's
reliant on you guys and i guess that comes to the point where if you guys can integrate more
chains than or chain uh chains than you know wax i mean you you know it's like
what's the benefit at wax at that point of staying on on wax when when there's other chains doing other
things it's just having a blend of everybody would be great but then again like where's the money coming
in for wax and it becomes that game and governance and stuff is nice and community voting and such but
that again doesn't generate revenue and and who's putting in the time and energy and who's paying that
person put to put in the time and energy so it's all blurry for me on the uh the programming and dev
side of things but uh i hope you guys can uh find something that works and i don't know i'd love to be
on some strategic calls maybe with you guys and wax and and just help see what we can do to uh help you
know bring in money you're right on point with that right it's um that that's what's tough and that's like
like and that's also what what everyone will tell you in terms of um yeah okay let's talk about wax
right in the bull market everything looks anything that you touch looks great right and then because
there is so much money and so much liquidity for everything um even the the shittiest of projects
actually get to raise two three million right and right now in this market it's really really tough to
find a hundred thousand for or fifty thousand for a project right it's really really tough because
everyone's like okay no let's wait it out let's let's see it's like let's wait for the market to
pick up i don't want to be the first one i don't want to risk it right so investors are very cautious but
also at this token price obviously a lot of people have lost money on on their investment into into wax
into wax tokens and wax p right so um and that's totally different on other networks and that's
also where actually the cross-pollination between other networks or between like multiple networks
can actually help because if you look at um let's say polygon right um a lot of people including myself
have bought matic at a really really low price point right and even like so i i think i bought it at
1.8 or something like that so even even so even though um matic is down from its highs it's still
much much higher than the um than the buying price of many many people right so buying something
denominated matic feels really cheap right because you you're like oh yeah um i i need to spend 20
in matic but i actually bought matic at 20 times lower price so now it feels like it's a dollar
not exactly but like that's human psychology right but if you have bought wax at at 20 cents and now
you're supposed to spend it on something to like with its buying power of 3.7 cents then this feels
extremely expensive and you'd rather cling on to your to your wax and keep those right and that's
psychologically it's very understandable but it's also very dangerous for a network like this but this is
where if there is like real cross-chain help right like real cross-chain um activity happening then you
could you could basically say okay well we get some of the liquidity of people um running stuff on on
polygon um into the wax ecosystem and it doesn't need much right it doesn't it actually doesn't need much
because the wax market cap is so low now that um it just needs a little bit of spillover from other
networks for it to actually um push really hard right and that can be nfts that can be tokens so
the one by token is multi-chain right so whatever movement we have in the token on polygon would actually
translate into into the wax um ecosystem as well and so on and so on and the more assets we have like
that the more likely it is we have these spillover effects and the more multi-chain activity we have
the more likely it is right so that's one thing i think where this can help but in general you're
totally right um it's very hard right now to make investments investment decisions into let's say the
wax ecosystem or any any other that comes for all kind of smaller um blockchain ecosystems outside of the
top 50 um where you would say okay why would i take the leap of faith to actually invest my time my energy
my money whatever it is to build on this ecosystem if i have all the alternatives i have 200 other layer ones
which are legit which are there which sometimes might offer me incentives to do that um as much more
than 200 right there's probably thousands of layer ones and layer twos and why would i why would i spend
my investment in here right and mostly if you if you talk to the people who are building on wax the answer
is because i like wax or because i like the community right and that's great because because it's like
it's a great community it's great people right um it's just a small and um yeah we need that we need that
cash flow come in and um that's that's where sales comes in right adrian so like that's why we need to
you know plan out uh you know a plan of attack and you know make those hard calls and and and lay out
presentations for these uh companies to come on board and that whole you know the tide rises all boats
thing is great but i worked with the sales company uh back when i worked and uh you know that's what i did
i i did uh presentations and i sold software around the world and it took time and energy in the same
vibe so it's like oh you know this is going on the market's not good but my my my best sales were
during bad markets because you put uh time and energy into um bringing customers on board and and showing
them the value of being on wax for example with the low fees and such right and i don't know if any
everybody just twiddling their uh thumbs and waiting for the bull market to happen and have
all that a lot of it's not going to happen like the last round in my opinion so i just i think that
that sales effort needs to happen and uh yeah just feel free to hit me up in the dms i'd love to
volunteer my time to help you guys and i know maybe not you you guys in particular but uh wax or or
whatever it takes to bring on people um i i really think it's important because wax is a great
blockchain things run so smooth i do a lot of activity uh i have shoot over 30 000 plus nfts so
i've been around and uh yeah i would i'd like to help bring life to the ecosystem um also i worked
with wombat a while back i was helping a project called bigger protocol over on eos a couple years
back and um oh yeah yeah i really like your guys's stuff and i was a custodian there for a while and uh
yeah good times yeah thanks uh we'll definitely be in touch um yeah that's that's kind of the
just one last word on what you said um it's kind of the magical thing uh right that everyone is
expecting to happen it's just like let's just wait it out and it's going to happen automagically
and it's not right or it might not because this cycle might actually be different than the previous
ones this time around we have incredibly high interest rates not historically but compared to
the last 15 years um so bitcoin may not actually do what everyone is expecting it to do in terms of
what's it called um stock to flow models or um or even elliott waves or whatever right so everyone's
just going on these models but it might be totally different this time around right so um who knows
whether it's magically going to happen and also people don't magically understand the benefits of
a superior product right you still have to sell them and somebody needs to do the somebody needs to
take that work and do it right so um and people want to be sold but um then again like i said maybe
we're in a better position than we were in terms of wax um a year ago because all these grant programs of
these big chains the top 50 chains they have pretty much dried up um so maybe it's a it's more
competitive now that maybe wax more competitive now than than it was a year ago when everyone or a year
and a half ago when everyone was still pitching hey you'll get a big fat grant and i still remember
polygon just basically handing out grants just like candy back in 2021 right when when we just on just a few
telegram messages we got a grant from them without even having a call right it was it was crazy times
so yeah i think we're we'll be in touch and there's a lot we can explore there great thank you
all right thank you very much blaze for your time and for your questions and uh looking forward to
seeing how we can um yeah make the space super freaking amazing with uh everything we got and
everything that communities got i suggest then that we wrap up uh for now with this if people you still
have uh some questions or will want to discuss something with us a bit more in depth we will be
live on twitter um sorry on atomic hubs discord this friday so if you're on there do join if not uh
well join the server first and then our discussion same time as today so 5 pm ct we will both be there
adrian and i and uh we hope for another very very productive conversation with you because i don't know
i enjoyed that there were a lot of great ideas exchange here yeah really really great um really
grateful for um the warm welcome here um and for all the productive suggestions um and a lot of like
hey let's do this together vibe right so i really love that um yeah you don't have to wait
one one one one remark on what you just said olga you don't have to wait or you don't have to like
schedule your slots according to ours right so if there's anything that you want need or you just have
suggestions or ideas whatever just feel free to reach out send emails send discord messages telegram
messages twitter dms whatever um and just pour it all out on us uh yeah we're happy to get this
um we're like we don't we don't want to sound like a broken record um in terms of the the white
listing and the stuff we we we hear that we are on this um so uh you'll see the impact of of that of us
being on it um very very soon and then we can also attend other other matters so really curious about
that and really looking forward to um making this ecosystem great again absolutely as adrian said we're
always looking forward to your feedback in whatever form at whatever time because this is how we
how we operate why we always want to be open with our community uh but still i am also looking
forward to seeing um and well listening to hearing everybody on friday and at any other given point
whenever we'll be and i'm pretty sure we will be hosting a lot more of those in the future for the
time being i think sincerely everybody who's joined us today be sure to pass the word along and we will of
course post the recording of this twitter space for everybody else who could not attend in time
thank you and have a great morning afternoon evening or night wherever you are and uh yeah we're very
excited to be part of this space now even more than ever it was a great twitter space x space how do you
say nowadays twitter space anyway um thanks a lot for joining everyone see you soon we'll we'll be
hosting a lot more of that so um in case you missed it and are kind of listening to this in a recording
whatever um see you on the next one and as see you all around and we're looking forward thanks thanks
everybody take care bye
