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Community Call #3 | Massa’s Rebranding & Future Vision w/ ADAMANT
Recorded: March 21, 2025 Duration: 0:35:49Space Recording
Short Summary
In a recent community call, Masa and Edament announced their strategic partnership, focusing on the launch of Edament's decentralized messaging platform. The discussion highlighted the importance of privacy in digital communication, the potential for token distribution to new users, and the innovative features that set Edament apart in the crypto landscape.
Full Transcription
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So hello everyone. Welcome to the new episode of the Community Lives on the master chain. This is I guess the third one, is the third one now.
I hope you guys are fine.
I'm joined today by as always Daniel, Daniel, our leading manager, and also a special guest
here today, which is Alexei that we have here.
And Alexei is a community developer from Edament, a project that you guys probably seen some
stuff on our socials. And so it's a project that has recently joined
the Masa ecosystem and we are going to see
how this partnership is a good example
of joining forces for the same goal.
Daniel, I don't know if you want to add anything there.
Yeah, I think it covered pretty much everything.
We're happy to have Alexei.
Adamant is definitely a project that fits our narrative
with Masa very closely.
It's something that's directly tied into Dweb.
And we think it's a use case where our technology
can really be important for them and for many other projects
that are similar to it.
Exactly.
This episode will be split into two parts.
I don't know if we will have time for everything,
but we'll see down the line. It's okay. And yeah, we know it's been a while, but we had
some priorities that we needed to check. And we also had the Denver event that you can
check by the way. I think it has been published on YouTube and Twitter. So if you want to
come back to that, you can. And so the first part we will be discussing
with Alexei here regarding the elements
and explore a bit deeper the project
and the partnership between them and us.
And in the second one, we are going to review
the recent evolution that we had on the masses vision,
if I can say, and the way that it translated
to the new website that you
probably also have seen now.
So Alexei, again, happy to have you here.
Maybe you can start by introducing yourself and maybe tell us a bit more about yourself.
Hi, community.
I am glad to join Masa community call.
Thank you for inviting us.
And we at Adamanta happy to join also Masa's D-Web.
It's an inspiring project and we're
inspired with Masa blockchain and what you guys are doing for all the crypto industry
because it reminds us that cryptocurrencies are not only meme coins. And we have moved forward to smart contracts with Bitcoin initial vision.
And me as the initial developer of Edamine project,
I know many things about Edamine decentralization and decentralized messaging. And we passed many things.
It started in 2017, eight years already passed.
So we have something to show, right?
Nice.
Yes, by the way, maybe for those that don't really know or didn't dig much
about it, for now can you maybe tell us what exactly is Ediment or Ediment
Messenger? I don't know, maybe it's probably a bigger picture but I'll let
you speak on that. Yeah, sure. Ediment consists of two parts, mainly it's decentralized messaging platform and it's also built in crypto wallet.
So it's a platform. And the privacy is the priority, as well as full control over users' data and assets.
So it's the main idea, priority and full control over users' data and assets. So it's the main idea, priority and full control over users' data.
It's open source and anyone can revise the code.
Just go to our GitHub and you'll see everything.
Ediment differs from others.
It operates entirely on blockchain and messages are basically transactions
encrypted and stored across this decentralized network.
Ediment requires no phone numbers, no emails to create an account. You create an account in one
second, one tap of a button, you get the password and that's it.
And this feature makes anonymity convenient. So anonymity is now a convenient feature.
One tap, one account and go ahead chatting. When you chat, IP addresses are hidden from
other users and it's by design.
But if users are seeking enhanced anonymity, we even provided Tor application.
And I say it's better to try than to hear.
Then go to ediment.im website and download the application for your device.
We provide applications for different platforms.
Yeah, we can definitely make a tweet about it to give all the links.
I was checking the website so it's available on the web, on the Tor.
As you were saying, iOS, Windows, Mac, Linux, so basically everything.
Yep.
And also if I remember correctly, when people try Adaman for the first time,
they can get a little bit of a token allocation to try it for free, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then send free tokens so anyone can start chatting right now.
Perfect. So if anyone wants to try it, that's a good argument.
You have a question, I see. Will we respond or later?
Let me check.
The question is, is the project being developed on the mass
grants?
At the moment, I believe it has not really been granted, right?
Yeah.
Because it might have started a long time before NASA.
Yeah.
Potentially, there might be a lot of intersections
that we can create between Ediment and Mosa.
So it could be something we can consider in the future,
for sure.
Totally.
Which can probably lead us for the next question.
Why did you choose, in the end, to build Ediment?
So what kind of problems does this kind of decentralized messenger can answer to?
Okay, the reason is growing concerns over total surveillance and lack of privacy in
traditional messengers. They collect and store user data and messages. That's the reason.
As an example, contrary to popular belief, Telegram is the least secure messenger.
It's not secure.
It doesn't even have built-in end-to-end encryption.
And it has access to your correspondence.
Note it. encryption and it has access to your correspondence.
Note it.
Even WhatsApp provides end-to-end encryption
and Telegram don't have it.
This was the main reason why Pavel Durov was detained
in France to obtain the encryption keys from him.
And I'm sure that they got these keys because, you know,
he already left France and moved to Dubai. Yeah, we were talking about that last time. It's funny
that you talk about it. Yeah, but strong encryption is not everything. Privacy also matters. And when you create an account with a phone number,
we already cannot talk about privacy.
Another point is trust.
Do you trust WhatsApp, which is owned by Meta?
I think a lot of people left at that time.
But yeah, how can we even trust an application with a closed source code?
If we cannot check it, we can't trust.
And that's why we made a demand fully open source.
Uh, we say everything every time don't trust build both a node and messenger applications from source. You can do it. And
inside the community, we share the same values as Bitcoin does. It's distributed network
infrastructure, open source, independence from governments, corporations and even us developers.
This eliminates single point of failure and makes it resistant to censorship.
It's very important.
And finally, we move forward with a community development model like Bitcoin has.
There is no company or person to press on.
In a demand, there is no such Pavel Du person to press on. In Adaman there is no such public door to press on.
Not the main part, but Adaman also offers new possibilities in crypto.
It's like storing and transferring coins in chats with full control of private keys.
That's it. That's why we choose to build Ediment.
Yeah, it makes sense. I think Telegram has done a really good job with marketing and making themselves look like a very reliable and private messenger.
But I believe only on secret chats they have end-to-end encryption, right?
Right.
And no one really uses those. Most people don't even know they exist.
Yeah, I didn't until some months ago. Yeah, it's true.
Yeah, and WhatsApp, it's funny because Meta is basically one of the biggest sellers of
personal data of users. That's how they make most of their profits. So it's quite foolish to think
that they would keep their messenger fully encrypted. I think a lot of people also moved to
Sinon, you know, the other...
Back in the day, yeah.
That was a long time ago. I don't know if anyone still uses it.
But also Signal, when users start using Signal, they also enter their phone number.
It's not private.
Yeah, that's true.
It's open source, it's a good project, but they are not private.
Very interesting.
So, I would guess that you had probably some challenges along the way.
So maybe you can tell us a bit more about that.
Yeah, indeed there are many technical challenges.
It's complex to ensure scalability, low latency and performance with decentralized infrastructure.
We have no centralized servers.
Even simple functions, which are familiar in traditional messengers, require detailed study and innovation. For instance, I don't know of any other messenger
that sends files through IPFS and Adamant does it. That's why Adamant operates on its own specialized
blockchain but not on Ethereum, not on Solana or whatever.
Adium is designed for messaging. It's special blockchain, special API and so on.
Also, the main challenge is that everything works not on the server side,
but locally on the user device.
It's quite challenging to perform everything on a user device, including encryption, data processing, protection and everything else.
That's it. OK. OK. OK. So I would say that that's probably one of the reasons
that it was also a bit easier for us to work together,
because since there's no back end,
I think it's even easier for us to integrate into D-Web.
So that leads maybe for the next question that is for you
in the point of view of the partnership,
what are the advantages, finally,
of hosting element on Dweb?
Dweb has a very important feature.
It's resistance to censorship.
It's a key feature of Dweb
that attracted the community to mass
because some governments are already trying to block edament and if you want to access publicly
available edament application which is available at the link ADM.im.
In some countries, it's already blocked.
There are other ways, like providing a Tor application.
But Tor can be complex for regular users.
And Masa offers public D web providers, which can be multiple
and making it easier to access with no additional software,
just a web browser.
And this integration is a step to a fully decentralized web.
We are proud to join it.
It makes applications more secure, private and censorship
resistant. That's why you're saying that some governments are trying to bring it down. What does
it mean exactly? How does it work? Because since everything, there's no
backend, there's nothing, so how do they manage to try to do something
like that?
I'm quite curious on that.
You mean how a government block element?
Yeah, yeah.
They book domain, they block domain access.
So ADM.IM is blocked by a special software,
hardware or whatever they used.
And when we have Dweb, it's unable to block locally stored
Dweb because when a user run application truly on master.
It's run from the blockchain directly.
It's loaded from blockchain.
It's unstoppable.
Yeah, definitely.
And on the Tor point as well,
that's exactly one of the main things
that we're trying to do is just the fact
that Tor is a little bit inaccessible for the average user and probably a little bit scary since it has quite negative
connotations in the mainstream space.
So people don't really want to download shady browsers and access links that look weird.
We try to make it as intuitive as possible so it can be accessed from anywhere.
So yeah, we're happy that we can help with that in this case as well.
Totally.
We have one more question. Will we ask, will we reply about...
I was checking. I don't think I know SimpleXChat, by the way. Yeah, I haven't heard of it either.
We sure know many demand competitors, SimpleX chat is great but what we are targeting we want to
make AdMand user-friendly and many other messengers are not so convenient and we
want to solve that users will use Edement with pleasure.
Yeah. Okay, perfect.
So we were talking about Edement on Dweb,
and I wanted to know, by the way,
how did you learn about Massa in the first place?
Because if I remember well,
the first connection that we had was through the Massa forum,
where we had a question, a new topic
that was created. So how did it happen?
Yeah, we heard about muscle through communities and forums. And one of our members noticed the master community and the D web and introduced to demand and go further to this partnership.
And master's innovative approach to decentralization, scalability and security caught our attention.
And we saw an admin between our goals and master's capabilities and leading to this partnership.
And remember, Cypherpunk and Bitcoin, we also see these things in Master 2.
Okay.
Okay, okay.
Sorry, I was just checking the questions.
I don't think there's any more stuff on the chat.
I don't know exactly at which point you guys are
in terms of adoption, but I was wondering
in your opinion, what would you need
for a decentralized app like Ediment that is fully
decentralized, it's on the blockchain, it's a bit different than as we were saying
from a telegram or a signal or whatever, what does it need to reach mainstream
adoption in your opinion? You know it's a hard part because users are familiar to
traditional messengers, they are familiar to traditional messengers,
they are familiar to traditional way of the experience
and people don't want to change anything, you know?
And you know for sure because I think the most often question
to Master, why Master if there is Solana,
why Masa if there is a Pherium and so on.
People don't want to check anything,
but when they understand the advantages, it takes time.
It takes time, time, time, and it may takes even years,
but you know, my grandmother even don't know
how to use a plastic bank card.
You can say even about crypto, right?
But time passes and the things that can be weird
in time, they will be usual.
So decentralized messaging also will be
useful. And what we are working on it's the perfect user experience, like in
traditional messengers. So users will send images, photos, emojis and they want so that look at the application,
it will be comfortable to use.
Intuitive interface, fast performance.
Why do users like WhatsApp and Telegram?
Because they're convenient and they look nice.
Have you ever tried non-mainstream messengers like for example simplex chat?
They're clunky.
It's for an average user, they don't like it.
They will not like how they look like.
Also, educating users will be crucial.
Tell users about benefits of decentralization, privacy, and understanding of their value
of their data.
Because many don't understand the value of their data.
They say, I don't care.
I don't care because someone read my correspondence. If you don't, I say
if you don't care, so even if 10 years passed, 40 years passed, no one will care about you.
But think about if you'll be president in 10 years. Or maybe later, or maybe you'll
be chief of the great company. If you now don't care, but, or maybe you'll be chief of the great
company. If you now don't care, but think about who you will be
in 10 years.
Yeah, I think that was definitely one of the main
points for me as well. In this discussion, is the fact that
people are so conditioned into using centralized services that
they actually don't care about their data. And for the vast
majority of the population,
I would say it's just a matter of the fact
that they haven't really stumbled across any problems
from their data being tracked.
It's mostly just sold to advertisers and to platforms
so they can know their user behavior.
People don't really care as long as they
keep seeing the advertisement for the crap
that they need on Instagram reels and on Facebook and anywhere else.
They don't really care that it's being used
because they haven't been convicted of anything
because of the stuff they've said.
They haven't had their message blacklisted by governments.
They haven't gotten into real trouble,
but a lot of countries are definitely dealing with that.
So you don't really feel it
until it bites you in the ass, I think.
Exactly.
Until the moment you have an issue, I think people don't really think about it.
But at the same time, it's becoming a subject even for some companies in terms of marketing.
For example, Apple, which for the past years, it's one of their heaviest arguments where
they say that they don't share your data and all that stuff. So, but yeah, I think it's still very, I don't know, very green as a subject.
I don't know.
You know, if a good company which you trust say that they don't share your data
and they don't store your data, it may be true, but maybe not.
And that's why cryptocurrency we're creating, because you trust nobody.
You trust your own private keys. You own private keys, you own your data. And we share the same vision.
Yeah, I agree. And that's why we are also very happy, I think, to have you, because it's
very happy I think to have you because it's 100% into the narrative of a mass and the values.
Because yeah, I think maybe for some of us being in different countries where we don't really see
this as a problem right now, it can be okay. But there's definitely a market for this stuff out
there. I think there is much bigger problems that we don't really know about,
at least I can speak for myself, but yeah, I think there's definitely a need for this type of stuff.
So yeah, I think we can probably jump in maybe the last question, which is, do you have any updates
to give to us and the community?
What's the upcoming features that you have
or developments that people should be excited about?
Sure, sure.
The Ediment community, we are constantly working
on improving user experience and from build to build,
from one version to another,
we have better user experience and from build to build, from one version to another, we have better user
experience and better design.
And also, we add many features.
It may be small features, but for us, it's big features because implementing something,
even adding a reaction like emoji is maybe challenging because it's walked through the blockchain.
But we do it.
The most exciting features which users are waiting for are group chats and chatnots.
And they will be unstoppable where censorship is impossible. This stands many questions like this feature
has many concerns because unstoppable and not censorship group chats
and channels. It's questionable why they say maybe what they will share, what information it will
be prohibited or something, but it's inevitable.
Whether Adamant or someone else will do it.
I think we'll be first.
Bitcoin shares the same paradigm and it's time to accept that users personally
are responsible for their data and messages, not a platform. And I think you guys and Masa have the same challenge because Masa is a decentralized
storage also and stores applications, you store data and who knows what users will upload,
you see, maybe it will be some prohibited content, right, but it's time to shift,
prohibited content, right? But it's time to shift paradigm. It's time to understand
that Bitcoin changed everything. Decentralization changed everything.
And users will be responsible for their data and we are going to make the
group chats and channels with that feature that administrator of this channel
We will personally accept any member. Oh, it's
There will be no
Public
channels
Like in telegram, there will be public channels, but to enter this channel
Administrator we will personally accept any user, any request.
Okay, so that would be on the next version that you guys are going to build.
Okay.
I see we have a question.
There's another question.
Economic model. About economic model.
About economic model element, you know, if that element has its token, it's going basically, it's a DM coin, which are used
to pay for transaction fees. As any transaction is in edament
is paid in ADM and a message transaction.
So you basically pay in ADM, it's economical mode.
And we also introduce many other use cases for edament.
For example, digital signature.
For example, someone sends you a document
and you tap on your digital signature it will also cost
in ediment. Your user will pay in ediment. Also user will have possibility to
buy a short username in group chat for example or we even can introduce paid model in group chats.
There are no precedents.
So for example, administrator,
which is for example, is a good trader
and he posts reasonable signals and information
and it costs, right?
And administrator can charge fees for that. When a member can want to join
this channel, he'll pay in an ATM. That's the model. Yeah, I think I understand the
question of the user because they're used to platforms being free quote-unquote,
like all of the other messenger social're used to platforms being free quote-unquote like all of
the other messenger social media networks but you're not paying with money you're paying with your
data which is a lot more valuable to those companies. That's a nice way to see it.
Oh yeah we said element is not free as it's usual aspect but you know for that for what you're paying
yeah you know how much you're paying and you know you're getting your money's worth yeah
yeah I totally agree well very nice very nice even from the feedback from the chat, I think people really liked the idea.
Let me share by the way,
because I invite everyone to download,
I mean download, you can also use it.
You don't really need to download the app,
you can use it on the web browser,
but I invite you to just try.
As Daniel was saying, you can get some free tokens
to test it in the first times.
And yeah, that's the Twitter from Ediment.
I think I already put the website on top.
If you have any questions,
then I think you can directly contact the guys from Ediment.
And yeah, thank you very much Alexei.
Thank you Alexei, very interesting conversation, thank you.
Thank you very much.
And I was wondering because we are already at 35 minutes,
we didn't really want to stretch that much.
So I think what we can do, probably Daniel, if you're okay with that, for the logically the second part of this episode that we had about
the vision and the website, we can probably do it next week or in the next few days,
next few days because we already have another project that will be invited for the next
episode. And then we have another episode probably in two weeks, something like that,
which will be mainly with Sebastian and Damir, so our two CEOs, about the governance, which is
something that they really wanted to
talk about and they really wanted to develop. So, yeah, I won't say anything more. Just,
you can stay connected for that. And yeah, what can we do right now? If you guys have any questions,
maybe we can try to answer them. And if not, we can just wrap it up and we'll see you guys
very soon, of course.
Yeah, I think you spoiled a lot of it already.
But we have been working a lot in the background.
So there will be community lives that
are featuring more projects.
And I think we have some really interesting ones
that we can showcase that are coming out of the grant program
and also out of the various bounties that have been almost
filled at this point.
So I think you'll be seeing a lot more technology that
is built around our tech stack at Masa that can actually
showcase more things that are in the same spectrum as Adamant
as well.
Exactly.
That's the idea.
Well, I'm just checking.
Everything is fine.
But then if it's OK for you guys,
I think we can just wrap it up.
And again, so this is live, but it's also recorded.
You can come back to the video at any time you want,
either on YouTube or even on Twitter.
And you can, of course, leave any comments on the tweet
if you have any questions for the next episodes,
and we'll take a look into that.
And I'd like to say, again, thank you very much.
If you want to add anything, you can.
You are free to do it.
And if not, then I think we can wrap it up for this episode.
Thank you, everybody. Thank you for joining.
Thank you very much, Alexei.
Thank you, Alexei. Have a great day, guys.
Have a great day, guys. See you. Bye-bye.
