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Community Hangout
Recorded: Feb. 4, 2026 Duration: 1:20:01Space Recording
Short Summary
CleanMate is making waves in the crypto space with its recent launch, attracting over 100 users in just a week and introducing innovative features like 'Streak' to promote sustainable choices. The project is also securing partnerships and sponsorships to bolster its growth and impact in the eco-friendly sector.
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Oh man, you kill the music there's we had the region builders greatest hits going on
Yeah It's going to be yeah
Okay, we see lots of people coming in
Yeah, we can wait a little bit to the from Cleanmate, it's good to have you guys.
Like, you're back as well.
I think we met in one of the workshops, right?
I always confuse one of the profiles
that is quite active in the Telegram community.
So yeah, let's see who else is here there oh from the
clean mate oh yeah hey it's it's good to be it welcome back what was your name again? Ibra, but my social name is Dave.
Okay, we can call you Dave.
Yes.
Okay, so we'll start in a second. We know that you guys have some updates on CleanMate.
Before we chat, how are you doing, Dev? How are things? Yeah, I'm doing good.
Yeah, I've been working a lot at the technical aspect
of Klingit, so it's nice to be having a guard school
and some free time.
I read that you have some updates to share with us.
Yeah.
So maybe we can share.
OK, I can't wait to hear about them
yeah okay okay we'll give it a minute or two waiting for a couple more people to join us
are you working on anything else apart from clean mate or is this now your main focus?
Yeah, I'll say 50-50 because I'm actually working as a full-time software developer but
I still have some free time to work on Cleanmate so I'll say 50-50.
Yeah, so not entirely full time but still enough time to build something cool.
Yeah, no, I mean that's fair enough. I think that all of us went on the entrepreneurial
route at some point. We all had to, you know, juggle a job plus our projects, right?
Because at the end of the day, we need to pay rent
and we need to keep our fridge full of food as well.
So I respect that.
What I'm surprised is that you're able to work
and code during the day and also continue coding.
If I do that, my eyes, like my eyeballs pop out of my head.
I'm not sure how you're able to code so much.
Yeah, yeah.
It's no different for me, but it's actually not easy.
Yeah.
You know, there are some times I just take some time off and not code at all.
Still not easy.
Yeah. Are you using a lot of AI?
What are you using?
What's your stack?
Yeah, so recently, okay, let's say around the time I started building ClearWits, I discovered
that using AI will make you move faster.
So I opt out of the VS Code
and started using Cursor.
So I think that was the best decision I made
before starting Climids
because it actually helped me move very fast.
Yeah, okay.
To be honest, it took me a while
to get used to having my AI on VS Code. But
just because I get that the models were not that great, I think they, yeah, I was always
relying on going onto the browser or the desktop app for help with code. Yeah. Yeah yeah that sounds good Kyle is here as well in the room so
that's quite good we see somebody's also requesting to speak so we'll bring you
up but yeah in the meantime so there would you like to we can get started I
think that that's gonna be the best thing I'd like first to pass it on to
Nicola.
We can start the space officially
and then we'll crack on.
Let's see how it goes today.
Yeah, hello guys.
So there isn't a proper agenda for this.
So I tried to say that everyone can speak,
but at the moment it's not properly working.
So you can request and I will accept.
So it's going to be more controversial
uh but yeah everyone needs to share their ideas topics what are they building what they will build
uh and yeah maybe we can start it again with clean mate uh because uh the ai is really good
like i use it also on daily basis and I don't think like I can live
anymore without it I'm subscribed to CloudMax so the things are getting
pretty tough but yeah are you using cloud code or you're just sticking to
the other alternatives
okay yeah it's really nice to be a be here. I think the last piece was actually my last
piece I joined because since then I've been really focused on how to manage the users
that are joining the platform. So I think about just in a week of launch, we crossed over
Android users, which most of them are actually active. And our plan was to just launch for
Nigeria then, right? So to my surprise, we got good numbers of users from around the world. We got active users from Bangladesh, from Japan, just countries
that we never planned for. Imagine that user we joined from. But yeah, it turned out that
we got enough users, more than what we expect,
within just a week of launching.
And also, because we have a feature that is able to maintain weekly sustainable choices,
so we call it Streak.
So it encourages you to go about your week
while making sustainable choices.
And this feature actually did well.
We got over 100 submissions and over 80% of the submission
were actually good enough and they got approved.
Yeah, and there is another feature that we have, which we call Impart.
So with Impart, you can organize any kind of event.
So you can organize an upskilling event to train people about waste management.
You can manage participants that are joining.
You can choose to make your events private or public.
So you can also attach media, you can attach YouTube videos from the events. And this just
goes beyond just educational events. It can be a cleanup event. It can be just any event that has to do with sustainable actions.
Right. So and with this feature also, we got quite a number of people that created events.
We got most of our events are actually from Nigeria. So because our social media and marketing team is mainly focused on Nigeria for now,
so we got most submissions from Nigeria. But regardless, we got various submissions from
other countries. I think we had about two events from Bangladesh alone. And these are actually good events.
And one of the features we added along the way
is encouraging people to create public events
so that other people can see it and get inspired
and also do their own events.
So with this public event,
you can actually earn more token from views.
So for every thousand views you get, you earn additional token.
So these are the features we added along the way.
And these are the, I've been talking about everything that went good.
So I'll do justice to something that went wrong too.
I would do justice to something that went wrong too.
So the AI we used to launch, actually, it's got, like, we trained the AI with some data, right?
But it actually got some submission that we did not, like, it has no context of, and it was rejecting good submissions. So we had to like improvise and do a midnight
upgrade to stuff, but we managed the problem right and everything started working fine in just about, I think, 12 hours of breakdown that we had.
So one of the other issues we had is that some of the low-end devices
are having issues using the web app because it's kind of bulky
and it's slow on lower devices on first load.
So we already started building
the mobile version of the web app and it's ready
but we are still navigating the
Play Store and Apple Store
approver and officially launching it.
So my guess is this month,
we should be able to launch the mobile app
and it will make it very easy for us to onboard more users
and without worrying about the type of device they are using.
Can I take you a step back? Because it's super interesting.
I mean, it's really cool that you guys are working on the tech.
And I'm not sure if you remember last time we had the space
and we spoke about all of these people that they create content to,
I don't know, someone that's cleaning the streets
or they're mowing someone's garden,
loaning in the garden and fixing, I don't know.
And funny enough, so I think that it was like a week
after I got targeted with ads to go on a social event to clean the jurassic coast in the uk so
the jurassic coast is essentially a section of the south coast of the uk where there's a lot of
fossils and you know dinosaurs were found there and stuff and um yeah super interesting because
then you actually see people are actively organizing this sometimes without even sponsorship
That's just the casino's a social thing you get to meet people and then you know, it's
You know a nice thing to do some people just go to the pub and spend loads of money on beers
Others they just go socialize and they can go and do something that's good for the environment, right?
and they just go socialize and they can go and do something that's good for the environment right um and something else happened oh yeah and then one of my best friends streams on twitch and um
so weird because when the the twitch stream ended i got recommended someone that was streaming um has like a go GoPro camera attached to one of these
I don't know what you call it, it's like a hook to pick up rubbish from the
from the ground and essentially a guy that just goes around the United States
cleaning the streets and all you can see is just his GoPro picking up rubbish
from the from the floor and it had like well like a couple thousand people
watching him cleaning the streets so you know there's obviously a lot of um interesting
potential whether it's for content creators or even just for the social aspect what you said of
the events can be public or they can be private and how are you getting people to organize those things?
Are you going to these content creators, for example, on Twitch and telling them, you
know, apart from what you're doing, regardless, you know, you're already streaming, cleaning
the streets and people are donating for the good cause and all
that stuff you can also get rewarded using this app or are you reaching out to people that are
actively organizing events for example it's it was just perfect timing because we had this space
in january and then again like a week after i got targeted on ads on instagram saying you know we're
gonna go clean the jurassic coast um are you approaching anybody to you know, we're going to go clean the Jurassic Coast. Are you approaching anybody to, you know,
try and create this kind of initiatives?
Or are you guys starting initiatives?
How's that working?
Yeah, yeah.
So I'll say it's on our roadmap to talk to most of these content creators
that are actively pushing their content on social medias.
In fact, we have a list of social medias and those
that we want to reach out to.
But I'll say this is like the second step for us
regarding reaching out to people because right now we have some
partners communities so with these partner communities the i think one of our partners have
over 1 000 active members so we'll be having an official meeting tomorrow to onboard them.
So with these communities, we can increase our social media followers. We can increase our user base.
So this makes us more professional or authentic reaching out to social medias and do so right now we we have less than
100 followers so it's it's still kind of or people doubting maybe this is just an app that won't last
longer something that is just um i don't i don know, just not authentic enough to reach out to these content creators yet.
So our plan is to first onboard our partnership members,
and we are currently doing that because one of the things that slowed us down
is each of these partners, they have their own feature,
and they want us to support their features within the hub. So we are currently integrating the technical side.
So I think starting from next week, we should start onboarding most of these partners,
members and increase our user base before going and reaching out to
these content creators that you mentioned.
Yeah, that's fair. Okay. And have you guys confirmed? I think that this would be really,
really interesting as well, both for, I'm guessing if you guys are going for grants and also overall
so you can also stop your other day-to-day stuff and you can
focus on CleanMate what's going to be the main business model for the application yeah so okay
right now we are focusing on sponsorship uh our target is uh we are still kind of localized here in Nigeria regarding the business model.
So our focus now is sponsorship with companies or factories that are affecting the environment.
So factories that are producing waste and CO2 emissions.
So we provide them a dashboard that they can track their metrics with us
and pick one of our subscription plans come with specs and how much they can, you know, contribute to the environment.
So we are still working on the dashboard.
But right now we have a sponsor that are currently supporting us with $100 per month.
Although we don't have this dashboard yet,
so we have not officially made an announcement for that.
But very soon, when we complete the dashboard,
we will make announcements.
We are going to push for more sponsors
like the one we currently have to support us
and be able to reward users that are making these impacts.
So that's our primary business model.
And then the second one is true match.
So we plan to have some customized merch that you can you can purchase as a business owner
you can also purchase a merch and you know there are some merch that are in form of award plates
you can put them in your restaurant you can put them in your office you can put them in your office, you can put them in your gym to show that you are actually contributing to the society through climate.
So these two are business model, but we are not officially
launch it because we are still focusing on the user aspects.
we are still focusing on the user aspects.
Yeah, so congrats on the first sponsorship.
And now this caught me thinking about what
about partnership, maybe with other VeChain projects.
Like, for example, I don't know if you see the green card
has just announced that they will make a new debit card, more cashbacks, etc.
Also, the VChain hosted 4Ocean that they are collaborating with them as well.
So maybe Africa will be a starting point, but then you can expand all across the globe.
And a lot of projects are in the cleaning
or in the eco-friendly branch.
So maybe it's going to be useful
and to speak like developers to developers.
Yeah, I believe in like,
a lot of collaboration can actually work within the projects,
the hubs on VBeta.
So one of the main one that caught my attention is the ground card.
So I realized that, okay, they support countries like even Nigeria.
So you can redeem, with your beta token, you can redeem vouchers for shopping.
And to my surprise, there are Nigerian small that are supported.
So that's going to be our first integration to integrate Grunkard.
So having different methods for users to spend their beta token is really cool to me because
at the end of the day, the user wants to spend their reward and providing them with
options of redeeming the reward is our focus for now. So for now, we have a bank integrated to Nigeria users.
So this is already working
and we have over 50 bank transactions
that are processed already.
People that have redeemed their reward.
And also we are integrating,
spending the token on utility bills.
So this one is in progress, not yet fully implemented.
But yeah, so our focus now is integrating methods
for users to redeem their reward.
And ChromeCard is a very good option for us to grow it.
Very cool. Yeah, it sounds like the plans are moving forward which is quite encouraging
Yeah, congratulations. I'd like to also welcome. We've got a couple speakers and
We've got somebody else UC.Soul
For some reason we cannot really approve your request.
Maybe drop from the space and then come back.
But we've got Iweke.
Welcome to the space, man.
We're just keeping it quite casual today.
So first test, actually.
I think, Nicola, we've not done one of these, right?
We always have- No, this is Nicola, we've not done one of these, right? We always have-
No, this is the first time we're doing this.
We're experimenting at the moment.
Yeah, it's been quite casual,
just having a bit of an open agenda.
Just keen to hear from people.
Dev just shared updates about CleanMate.
So we'll keep chatting about clean mate for sure
um welcome wanna introduce yourself well what would you like to um bring to the conversation
Maybe nothing yet.
All good.
No worries.
Whenever you're ready, let's...
Yeah, don't be shy.
Everyone can jump up and speak on whatever topic they find interesting.
We can go with real world assets, we can go with AI,
we can go with new projects or whatever you guys want.
Yeah, the AI conversation is something that is super interesting.
Maybe, Deb, you can also bring to here.
But Nicola, we were talking about this earlier, right?
About AI agents and how...
And actually, we shared something on the official ve chain twitter account about
ai agents and how you know essentially it's going to be a massive driving force right
yes exactly so if right now the ai is booming and imagine when we combine it with blockchain and crypto like the opportunities at the end will be
endless so i think like right now the sky is the limit and we just need to have a good imagination
and to see real world problems like we are currently doing on vchain we're currently
going for the environmental side which I think it's really crucial.
So with that technology, we can achieve great things.
Do you know what I was thinking just now?
Because you went snowboarding not long ago, right?
Yeah.
Just wondering if there's a way to combine a bunch of things.
You know how there's augmented reality glasses?
And, you know, there's a lot of technology now that could be used to map out a particular path when you're snowboarding.
path then you're earning points so then you're saying so then you you kind of following a
And if you're following the path, then you're earning points. So then, you know what I'm saying?
particular challenges and you're not just going on the usual slopes it might be that you you need
to take like a very sharp turn to to go and grab a particular number of points or whatever it is
so you know like game you find a bit more even um it's not i'm talking probably makes no sense
because you know i come from a hot country I've never gone skiing.
I only saw snow for the first time last year in my life.
But does that make sense Nicola? Is that something that could make snowboarding into I don't know like a way of also earning a bit of side cash and making a bit more fun?
Or do you think that things like that don't
need to be interrupted by technology I mean why not because I have seen apps
that pay you for walking I'm I mean I'm not I haven't investigated further but
I assume they steal some of your data but at the end they were paying you for
to make steps so this was going to be like a passive income.
But on the other side, yesterday I saw a reels with a guy who went snowboarding and he was
using this Insta360 GoPro and he used some glasses.
So he was seeing himself in third-person view, just like in GTA, and he just tried to snowball them but he just got crazy
which was really difficult for it but I really loved your idea and I think it's
going to be done in the future because like for example for the skis you attach
a tracker to your ski and it's basically a digital coach for you because it
tracks how much pressure you put on one leg on one leg then on the other so after each slope you can
see what was your top speed where you can have done better when you can went faster so this is already a live product. So I think why not about snowboard?
Like if the camera can calculate stuff,
like here is a perfect jump,
here you can go with more things.
But I think like we first need the infrastructure.
So maybe the VR, the metaglasses or the Apple
shouldn't be that expensive.
But if the technology is there, I think why not should be gamified at all?
Like a couple of days ago, I spoke with some friends
and we were talking about Facebook and MetaQuest.
And we were saying like, why we think that it will be gamified at some point, that they pay you to interact with Reels, to leave a comment, or even some games.
Because there's like billiards and some mini games on Facebook.
Maybe you can just do it in VR and play it with your friends, or maybe even a home workout.
You're too lazy to go to the gym,
and you just pick up your friends
and do some squats or pushups at home,
and you compete against each other.
Yep.
Actually, funny enough,
because there's two things here that are super interesting.
What you mentioned of the skis.
Here I'm paraphrasing,
and probably it's not extremely accurate but um
vichan actually did a bit of a project with ufc where there were tracking the hits on gloves during
the fights um which you know that that kind of data could be super interesting whether it's for for improved performance or even I met a project founder a while back that they were doing the same thing,
but it was for prediction markets data and for betting.
So then you would get real-time data of one of the fighters punching the other,
and then they would have their own algorithms to say okay this is a killer shot or this is a very soft shot or so you know it would give very very fast
and accurate data on the fights in real time but the not collaborative, you know, the competitive nature of doing exercise, I also think that's super cool.
Because not necessarily being lazy to go to the gym, I think it's just the lack of routine a lot of the times.
Doing that with friends is much better.
So totally agree. I think that's what Dev, you guys are trying to do
with CleanMate, right?
So it can get a bit lazy, you know,
just to get out of the house and, you know,
you see a bit of rubbish and you're like,
meh, someone will pick it up.
But adding that social element is what can actually
bring people together to actually take some action, right?
Yeah, exactly. actually take some action right yeah exactly and um no there are a lot of things that here you can improve uh i think um yesterday when i was driving and i saw someone just asked the red lights and i
was like oh if there could be a system that's rewarding for driving, like driving not restlessly and following the driving traffic rules, it would be cool.
But it all comes down to the technology might be actually be expensive than the reward and everything just breaks down at the business level.
But actually, I think there are a lot of places that AI can come in
with blockchain and bring new ideas to the table.
Yeah.
Yeah, like I want to say also that like last month
we were like at IBM and they were developing all kinds of stuff.
So maybe you have seen some robot dogs that are AI.
So initially IBM made them but they
sell them to Boston robotics so they have the patent now and all that stuff
but the other interesting part was there was table tennis and also table football
like with the big thing we play when you go parties. I don't know if that's the right thing.
But it was connected with AI.
So pretty much you get the data,
and after the match you played with your friends,
there's room for improvements.
So I think with this data,
we can get constantly improved, so it be even better so at the end you you
won't need to pay for trainers but maybe you just need to pay some certain
subscription which is going to be cheaper so maybe sport is going to be
for everyone not for the high top athletes like for example the tennis is
top athletes like for example the
tennis
that is a very valid point actually
so you're saying
that essentially instead of having a
like a human
coach to play tennis you could
just get yourself a
robo trainer
that would help you improve your
your swings and your
I don't know I don't play. I don't know the terms, but
Because it's the same with the fitness
There are a lot of macro apps like they are not related with crypto, but you can just
Make a picture of your food AI scans the food and it automatically calculates your calories
and right now there are some others as
well that you just put the calories you need or what you like and AI is creating
recipes for you and or based on the projects you have in your fridge so
maybe that's the next step because if you need a private chef to cook
something for you or to pay someone to make the meal plan for you like it's going to cost
much more but so yeah i think the technology is making things easier
yeah valid point um one thing that is interesting though is how to use that technology to actually
keep people using it i'm not sure if it's just me,
it's an, Nikolai, I'd love to hear if you do this.
So I've used a lot of these like exercise at home apps,
especially during the pandemic, you know, it was a long time.
I must go to the gym, I must do exercise,
because you know, that just improves
my mental health overall, to be honest.
So the point there is that I was using that application
so that I could keep exercising and keeping up the good mood
and all that stuff.
But then I stopped using it.
I stopped all the subscriptions and I just continued doing my routine.
And with the food apps, for example um i've used some of them but once i know the recipes and
once i know more or less how the food should look like uh for me to be healthy then i just stopped
it and i you know continue doing it um by myself without the application so is that an issue of
that activity or that habit being forced onto my phone?
And do you think that, you know, having those robot trainers, for example,
let's say instead of having the application to exercise on your phone,
you actually have a physical robot that's your personal trainer
being the one that will help you keep exercising and keep up the habits?
I mean, for sure why not uh like when you said like that
there's an app that it's a blocker for like so don't you don't don't do screw on facebook
instagram whatever and it needs you need to make 50 push-ups in order to unlock it so a camera is
tracking your movement and you actually need to do that.
But that's one point.
For the other thing,
I think it's just a normal life cycle
that when you...
Because at the beginning,
you are a beginner.
So you don't know what to eat,
what not to eat,
how to exercise.
So when you get the basis,
the foundations,
you're pretty level that you're pretty confident
that you can do things alone.
So I think it's normal.
So all the good trainers and like, for example,
for fitness, you pay a trainer to get the basics.
So you just grind in YouTube to see what is going on
and what do you need.
And then you're pretty sufficient with your information.
Like if you want to be better or make some adjustments
because it's your passion, because like cooking for me is not a passion.
I mean, I cook because I must.
But like, for example, fitness, I constantly learn new things
and see recent surveys,
like what is optimal, what is not.
So maybe it's just a passion that needs to keep working,
but I see your point, and I have been like that as well.
I have canceled a lot of subscriptions,
or I just went only for the free trial
to see if the app is really working.
Like some of them are working,
but I don't need it for a whole year, you know
I was just imagining myself with that application is doing 20 push-ups to unlock Facebook is I only go to on social media
Normally when I'm out on public transport well that's a lie I also send a lot of
reels to my to my brother and my sister but in any case like it would be so
weird I'm on the train and then I have to do 20 push-ups to you know have to go
and check out Instagram or YouTube but I mean good idea I think that that's
something that I would do to my friends if I could grab my friends for you know like imagine like Nicola
whenever we we are meeting up in person I'll grab your phone I've just install
that and then you'll have to do like a hundred sit-ups to get into Twitter I
think that all be good for jokes to be honest well I mean why not yeah and when
we're on apps I think like this one can be actually tokenized.
So I forgot the name of the app.
I need to check it.
So the thing is you can win money with training.
So let's say, for example, you're into running or walking.
It depends.
There are different challenges.
So you say you enter the competition with 10 bucks and
So you say you enter the competition with 10 bucks.
The goal is till the end of the month. You need to make hundred thousand steps
So you are walking running whatever so
After this period if you have done the steps you get your initial deposit back
back to you and of all the people that have
Come and they didn't compete this challenge
uh you are splitting a price okay you are splitting their money to you so you're winning
money because someone else didn't make the challenge and this money was like took only for
like credibility so you're credible to yourself that you will just
Do your challenge as you said you were
So I think that with crypto there's a lot of opportunities that this can be make even better or even gamified
even more so
Yeah, if someone can just stay to build it right now.
Yeah, maybe we need more people.
Dev, maybe we need to get you guys to keep building more of these things.
Because I think that there's a lot of really cool ideas.
And just especially for those day-to-day small habits, right?
Yeah, yeah. especially for those like day-to-day small habits right yeah yeah i think there are a lot of things you can build from daily habits so i think i think one of the one of the things is like
um just a way to encourage people to do what they want to do because one of a good example is a lot
of people want to reduce their weights so they need to watch
what they are eating they need to have time to exercise but they want to do this thing but
it's just to manage the to be consistent the to add the discipline is not there
or i was thinking of if there is an app that you can,
that will give you like the three daily meals.
So the breakfast, the lunch, and the dinner,
and you have to eat those foods.
So you cannot go out of the plan.
So it might just like recommend food based on it.
It's data just, okay, this morning, it's this food, and you have to provide a proof that you hate the food
and not something else.
And I think a lot of things can come out of daily habits,
and this is where AI comes in because this proves they need to be validated, right?
And currently, AI is the best candidate
for this kind of thing.
Yeah, valid point.
Actually, I like that point of, you know,
you've got your three meals
and you just get told what to eat.
I think that would be amazing.
There's a lot of these companies especially in the UK there's a lot of the companies that are meal prep companies and they just send
you the food for the whole week and you don't need to think about it you've got
your breakfast your lunch and you know they're prepared you just whack it in
the microwave and then you can you know just go eat um probably so well i have two problems if you
wanted to know about my life one of them was um the food is very expensive so i'd like to see you
know dev as a developer really how can that turn around because the the meals that you're purchasing so you would be spending the
equivalent to 120 dollars a week on these meals um and second there was a lot of robberies in my
area so i got one of my orders got stolen and someone had my whole food for the whole week so
i was like nah i'm gonna stop um but well that's the reality of London to be honest so how
would you for something like that because that's also really interesting
habit to change right because then junk food is very accessible it's very cheap
how would you go about incentivizing people to eat in a bit better as well
without having to you're spend almost $500 a month to to get those recipes
Yeah, maybe we can change the point of view to them and see
If they are overweight if they can't go to the second floor on the stairs using stairs without catching their breath so
I mean we need to change the focus because like everyone everybody knows that they
need to eat less and exercise more and don't eat junk food but then maybe it's not what they know
but maybe they just need the right people in this case the AI to teach you or to not punish you but to see what is you and to tell
you what is the best thing you should do and so I think like every person will
respect their situation and their health status so at the end maybe they will
listen to it
yeah i agree on that so i think um the technical aspect is just um it's not really
because uh the cost of the food i don't think that's the the technical aspect of the thing that would be like a bit tricky to to try to um reduce the the cost and
how to keep them using the app right but still it uh depends on the user like um like the host said
so it's going to be like a selected uh set users that would match with that kind of application.
So I don't know, it's just an idea that I just pop up to my head,
so I don't really have the full context yet, but yeah.
Yeah, that's all good.
Just to change the topic slightly, although not too much, because I've got this thing.
And I keep seeing La Crypt, because we work together on one of our workshops in the UK.
There's a workshop that we've put together for a London University, Greenwich University.
That's going to happen at the end of the month.
It's all about building an AI agent.
So it's similar.
We did it last year in a couple of universities,
and now we're going to take that to Greenwich as well.
And just to have everybody building up
their first AI agent, its on-chain, and all that stuff,
which I think is super cool
because then suddenly all of these participants
are going to have their own AI agent for the portfolio.
They can use it to apply for the internship opportunities
that we've put together on VeChain applications.
But one thing there,
Dev, I'd love to hear your thoughts on that,
is how would you get people to also get to learn more of technical skills?
Because something that we're noticing is that to a certain extent, people need to start learning to use not just AI, but even to understand the basics of coding.
Because that just gives you a bit of an extra edge. But learning to code can be actually very boring.
I've been doing a machine learning course with Microsoft
now for over six weeks.
Obviously it was Christmas, so I felt a bit lazy, I postponed a few lessons,
but it can get very, very slow sometimes, especially if you're doing other things.
So how would you go about incentivizing people to learn to code?
What is something that hooked you in to start coding and how could that be incentivized?
Yeah, I think for me it's about the passion for coding, right? So it's not that I think I started coding at a very early age, but it's all about the passion.
But I think to get, because coding is for most people, it's difficult.
Yeah.
And one of the things I can encourage people to learn the technical,
not just using the user interface
and interacting with AI can is making it coding more user friendly. So like there are some
known interface that lets you code by building blocks, not just writing the words yet, but by building the blocks and
gradually you get to write the gibberish. But most people, when they see coding and they're like,
oh, this thing is like English, but it's not English. it's very scary. They just, you know, just get discouraged
and never complete the course they enrolled to.
So I think making coding more user-friendly is a good strategy.
And like you said, like incentivizing for showing up every day,
So for me, it's about the passion, the joy you derive from coding.
And for most people, it's not the same way.
is not the same way so we just need to find a way to make it more not scary at
the time they are you know joining and gradually the they get used to the vibe
yes do you think AI is helping you learn better because like a couple of days ago, I had a conversation. Yeah.
What's your opinion?
And I will tell you more.
Okay.
Okay.
I think for coding, AI will not let you learn better.
It's, um, it's just, you have to have the, uh, the skill and with that AI can assist
you to move faster because why building climate with AI?
It's not that the AI is building the entire team.
I have the knowledge, I know what I want to build.
So it's only then the AI can assist me,
not that I don't have context, I'm just prompting AI.
So it won't work that way.
So to my own you you need to
have the knowledge like the usual way before uh using ai ai is just going to make you lazy and
not have the in depth of coding you know that's my Yeah, actually that's what my friend's mentor said to him
because I'm using AI to explain different concepts
if I didn't get it, like some analogy,
maybe some other examples
or just to browse me the information.
And he was using it for the coding
and he was learning Sol for the coding and like he was learning solidity
and it was everything's fine he can code with it he understands the code everything is fine
but at some point he had a basic task like write 30 types of solidity i'm not exactly sure, but something from the basics. And it wasn't that easy for him
to do it because he forgot about them because he was relying on AI too much. And right now,
he needs to start again from the basics to build a solid foundation. And after that,
a solid foundation, and after that, he can just move on.
So maybe you're just right.
So you find the right path that you just need
to use yourself.
But I think right now, when you have your knowledge
and you have the foundation, you can write code
or you can upgrade your knowledge.
Because like, I know AI is hallucinating a lot of things,
but you can just put him in,
set him the borders to what he should follow.
So I think if you use it properly,
they can be a huge effect for you in your project.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Yeah, absolutely.
Or, yeah, I don't know, I think that
I had this conversation with
a developer
friend of mine, and
we were just saying that
we haven't coded
a full script
in a long time.
You know, sometimes we make a few edits,
but yeah, maybe we're just becoming
one of those lazier people, maybe,
of just relying a lot more on AI
and then just fixing whatever the AI
is getting completely wrong.
But yeah, I think back to what you said, Nicola,
is it going to help you a bit betterola, is it gonna help you be better?
It's a bit difficult, to be honest.
Because then you lose a bit of the skill.
It helps you get things done faster.
But I'm not sure if it does help to get better.
You know, you just get things done
in a fraction of the time that you would.
Because before you would have to go to the forums and then you get an error and then you don't know how to fix this
and you go back to the forums and you need to try and find um tutorials or documentation i still
remember when i started in web 3 there was no documentation on or you know there was a lot of
chains that were not well documented and salinity was something
that was quite new and nobody knew how to do well and i joined the space in uh through solana in
2019 turning 2020 yeah just before the pandemic and um all of that was terribly documented. Like, sometimes we didn't even know what we were coding.
So, you know, back in the day, that was cool,
because then you're like, oh, wow, I've learned a new skill.
You know, you feel that accomplishment.
Now you just have it, it's just becoming a habit
of a dopamine hit, right?
They, you want to build something,
and then suddenly in a week, you can have it done.
But it
doesn't mean that you're become a lot better.
I think I'm not better now
than back then.
I think that I used to spend a lot more time paying
attention to what I'm coding and I would
actually pay attention to the errors
but now if I get an error I just
pass it on to AI and then
AI say oh maybe fix this, this, this
and then it's a bit faster to analyze the error
rather than having to read through the entire log.
Yeah, super interesting.
Do you do that as well, Dev?
Do you just rely a lot on debugging through AI
or how are you getting things down for CleanMate?
Most of the thing is for a is AI but you know
there's something that you just like about even causing the hair for the mistakes so you need to
get your hand dirty at that point and figure and fix things by yourself but I think it's
but I think it's real occasions.
But, you know, like you said, AI makes you faster, not better.
So I'm not as not a better engineer like before starting Klimit.
So it's just that I was able to like build faster.
That's the only difference.
Yeah.
Are you building it by yourself?
Yeah, by myself.
Okay.
Because something that's been happening a lot as well,
and I've spoken to a lot of developer friends of mine as well,
is there's no collaboration with coding.
Again, back in the day before AI,
we used to do like joint sessions for coding
where you would be coding and then you would have a partner
that would be observing how you're coding and then vice versa.
So then you would have someone with you and then you're coding
at the same time just to make sure that the code actually does make sense.
Same as we would have, you know, on a project,
there will be three backend developers,
and then each of them is responsible for an API endpoint.
And so you have your own script.
If you've got a particular function,
wrapper function you need to create, you do that,
you have your endpoint, you push it,
and then you've got a main developer
that will check that everything makes sense.
Now we're coding alone.
So despite anything, like, you know, developers also like working by themselves,
but before it was a bit more social, I think.
Because I did a lot of those sessions of like, whether it was screen sharing
or in-person, you know, hacker houses or, you know, just co-working spaces,
sitting down with another developer and be able to code together.
Or when I worked in other companies.
And so there was a slight element of collaboration.
While now it just feels like that is disappearing and everybody's coding by themselves.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.
I can testify to this, too, because, you know, I mentioned that we are building a mobile app right
so as for me i'm just i work with a front end with react so i never worked on a react native project
to build mobile apps so before ai i would have you know reached out to other developers to
collaborate with them and build a react native project. But now I'm able to build the React Native project using AI as my guide,
not another developer.
So yeah, it's definitely reducing how developers socialize, collaborate on projects.
Because without AI, I did not start a React Native to build.
If I should start with React Native, I'll definitely start with a to-do app or not something like a blockchain application, definitely.
But with AI, I was able to do that, and I see no need for collaborating.
And yeah, so it does decide if another side effects of AI.
Yeah, it's making us faster, but not better.
That's a, I think that that's the slogan
that we get from the conversation today.
Probably, but I still think that the AI for coding
is like one case scenario, because like,
it can be really useful.
Like, let's say you want to learn your language,
like for me it will be Spanish.
And let's say that I want to learn it in like 10 weeks.
So if you made a roadmap and a plan
and maybe use the 1500, the most common words,
at the end you'll get somewhere between A2 and B1,
which is going to be like pretty sufficient
for this small period.
So I think right now, with the coding is not the great example because
with the code you actually need to build something yourself it's like
engineering so yeah you're basically software engineer and you can't rely on
something to build that for you so it's like they're much higher
responsibilities like in the code, especially in crypto.
If, for example, you get exploited because you've wipe coded the whole logic behind it.
So for sure, it's helping, but maybe it's other ways of helping. Or maybe, I don't know, you can use it for some architectural tips to see how to implement some libraries
or some integrations with other projects.
So maybe that's the good point of it right now.
But I think AI is evolving a lot lately.
So we'll definitely see some decent changes.
But the core skills should matter and should stay. I mean, want to learn Spanish they will take you to Spain and get your
Spanish girlfriend that's what we need to that's how they you know I had a
Russian girlfriend around Russian you know so and then I've got one of my
closest friends he's Italian so I learned Italian.
So yeah, I see what you mean.
But I think I'm still, I don't know,
I'm just still in that loop.
I think that I've got that obsessive element
that I just get into one thing and I just stick to the fact
that it will make us learn faster, for example, but not necessarily be better.
I did try Duolingo because I'm guessing that's where you were going as well.
Duolingo uses a lot of AI-generated stuff as well.
And it wasn't that great.
I never got to learn a lot of stuff.
I specifically tried to learn arabic i was learning
arabic on duolingo because i was spending a lot of time in dubai so i'm like okay let me learn
arabic see if i can blend in a bit better um and not that you need it you know everybody speaks
english there but you know just to immerse myself a bit more in the culture. And I forgot everything.
I don't remember how to say anything.
And I was on the app every day for a year.
But, you know, learning with friends, you know, my Italian is not perfect,
but, you know, I can survive in Italy.
In Russia, I could be, you know, ordering coffee with milk,
and I could have soup and steak.
So, you know, I would survive.
I would know how to go to the hotel.
And all of that was just learning with people.
So, again, I think that that social element made it easier and better to learn anything, to be honest.
Yeah, for sure.
Like, maybe that's also another idea that you can implement the learning with someone else or the learning body. So you will be together at all. But like the thing with the languages is that if perfect, and lately I haven't spoken it.
I mean, I still can understand everything, but sometimes I have some problems speaking it with.
So although I have studied and have certificates and everything, if you don't use it, you're just forgetting.
I think people are just made like that to forget things that aren't used regularly.
So I think it's the same with the coding like if you don't code or if you change the
language maybe then you will have some issues although you're good at first
without a technology yeah yeah totally get that.
I think that we could actually start rubbing it up,
because otherwise I'm just going to get stuck on the fact that, you know,
AI is great, but it's not making me better.
And now I'm just kind of upset at that. I'm like, hmm, I need to go and start learning to code again from scratch.
But, Dev, would you like to give a really quick recap
of what's been happening with Cleanmate?
You know, you spoke about you guys are gonna
get the app approved on the app stores.
There's a bunch of different improvements.
You've got a few collaborations.
So if you could give the, you know,
high level headline of what's been going on,
because, you know, we see a few new faces.
Paul, it's good to see you. I'm guessing you're still at work, but it's always great to see you in
the spaces. But yeah, Dev, if you would like to take it away, give a quick recap of what's been
going on and yeah, we can start wrapping it up for today. Yeah, absolutely. So,
And yeah, we can start wrapping it up for today.
Yeah, absolutely.
So, earlier I shared about some updates
on the impressions we got.
So we had over, we crossed over 100 users
in the space of one week after launch.
And every day we got an average of five new users registering on the platform.
So we have a feature that makes you make sustainable choices every week.
So it's rewarding for not breaking a day of making sustainable choices in a week.
So we have that. We call that streaks.
And we also have a feature that FU organize events.
This can be any type of sustainable event.
It can be upscaling people over to upcycle plastic to build something useful. It can be about cleanups event.
It can be about any kind of event you can actually think of regarding sustainability.
And you can create private or public events. So the private events helps you maintain your privacy
if you're asked to hide some things to the public.
But with public, you can earn more rewards
for having the feasibility for encouraging people,
inspiring people to make sustainable choices.
And we are currently building a mobile hub
to help users use the platform more easily
instead of visiting the browser every time.
So we'll be launching our official mobile apps
for both Android and iOS, estimated this month,
if everything goes as planned.
And we have some partnerships that we work with,
some sustainable communities. So these are communities that are well integrated into
universities, societies. So with them, we are planning to increase our user base and improve our social media followers to increase the numbers.
And with that, we can start reaching out to content creators on social medias to now introduce the app to them and how it can benefit them as well.
So the other updates, we have, we are currently on V beta down now, but we're still looking for
now but we're still looking for endorsement but currently we are not actually pushing for that
yet because uh we are a very small team and we need to manage our resource very well so for now
we we are not pushing for the endorsement yet but yeah we will start pushing for that as soon as we got the app ready. And we also have a Zilli Quest that is currently running.
So if you visit the app, you can see it's within the app from tomorrow.
It will be launched from tomorrow.
And we also were able to onboard a sponsor that give us $100 every month to reward users.
So we have not yet announced these sponsors yet because we are not done with the sponsors dashboard.
So these dashboards help them to track their impact to the society.
So these dashboards help them to track their impact to the society.
So they get to see the metrics, the analytics of how they are contributing to the society through claimants.
So we are not done yet.
So as soon as we are done with the sponsors dashboard, we will make an announcement and also push more for other sponsors
yeah so that's pretty much everything uh the updates from from the claimants from launch to now
very cool we we like you guys keep building so yeah. Really good to hear that there's
progress. Progress is always the best thing, to be honest. And we see with a lot of people
that get extremely motivated to start building, but then they get discouraged. And I think
you've been quite consistent with the development.
It's been several months of loads of hard work.
So yeah, congratulations, man.
I'm really hoping that you start getting people
to organize all of these social events
through CleanMate in the UK as well.
Because it is happening a lot. It is happening a lot in the UK.
But obviously you're focused in Nigeria at the moment
and hopefully people will start getting to know more about what you're doing.
I'm sure that people will use it because, again,
it's not happened now for a while,
but it's happened several times that I get ads on social media
asking me to join these eco-friendly events
to go and clean the beach.
Yeah, I'm sure there's an angle for you guys to keep growing.
So yeah, wishing you the best.
And hopefully we'll have you again on the next one.
We'll be wrapping it up. It was the first time that we've done this, right, Nicola?
So super open, flexible agenda.
We've had a chat about everything.
So we're trying to keep up these community hangouts
there just to chat about the ecosystem,
chat about updates, but keeping it quite open to see
if anybody can also join the conversation
and just see what we can discover.
Yeah, for sure.
Maybe next time hopefully is everyone speaking,
working so they don't need to request.
So I think it went pretty good.
We covered a lot of topics, especially
with AI. So just maybe as a final words or advice, use AI, but maybe use it wisely. So
depending on your use case scenario, yes, you can be faster, but is the goal going to be do things fast or
do it better?
So stay with the foundations
and thank you again
guys for joining.
Brilliant.
That was a nice wrap-up actually,
Nicola. So nice.
It's good that this is recorded. We're going to clip that.
No, not that.
If it's too.
For sure.
Nice, guys. Well,
Dev, nice to see you.
We got a new register user.
Yeah, so
we set up a Telegram event
that everything happened on the app,
we got an event for it.
I just got an event
that someone just registered.
It's good.
Nice.
Congratulations.
So you see that everything is working.
Yeah. At the end, we need
to be patient. So some
things take, good things take time.
Yeah,
exactly.
Yeah, thank you.
Yeah, thank you, guys. Have a great night. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, thank you, guys.
Have a great night.
Good to see you.
Check soon.
