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Connect with Orange Protocol 🍊
Recorded: Sept. 12, 2025 Duration: 0:32:19Space Recording
Short Summary
In a recent discussion, Orange Protocol unveiled its innovative Orange Pass, a reputation protocol designed to enhance user privacy in Web3. By partnering with major exchanges and focusing on decentralized identity solutions, the protocol aims to streamline KYC processes and facilitate secure token launches and fundraising efforts.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. GM, GM and happy Friday. I'm just going to do a quick tech check before we kick off. Dave, can you hear me okay?
Yeah, I can hear you. Can you hear me?
Perfect. Okay, cool. Let's just give it another minute or two and see if we can get some more folks to roll on in. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, cool. Let's kick things off. GM, GM, happy Friday. Thanks so much to everyone that's
joined us and who might tune in later on. I hope everybody's had a nice week so far and looking forward to the weekend.
So today I have Dave pretty much just runs the show over at Orange Protocol.
He joined me this morning because they've been working quite intensely to kind of create these really valuable pieces of content that do a deep dive into potential use cases for Orange Pass.
Dave, do you want to do a quick introduction to yourself and Orange
for folks that maybe haven't come across you guys before?
Yeah, sure thing. Thanks, Claire.
I appreciate everyone joining today.
Excited to be here talking a little bit more about Orange.
So basically, Orange is a reputation protocol.
So basically, what we're trying to build is trustless,
decentralized, portable reputation for Web3.
All of this powered by ZKTLS, which is what we're here to talk about today, which is what we title Orange Pass. And it's
just a way for folks to fulfill reputation criteria without giving up any of their data privacy,
essentially. Awesome, thank you. And yeah, as you mentioned, today we're looking at Orange Pass.
So essentially this is a way to run private trustworthy checks, if you consider account ownership or KYC status or some maybe simple funds thresholds on potentially on major exchanges without seeing anyone's, username or documents. So the result will kind of just be this idea of
pass fail, I think, which is enough to open OTC rooms, assign launchpad tiers and grant
VIP roles. So this is kind of the idea of proof of funds for OTC deals. So Dave,
Do you ever get to see a user's exact balance when it comes to something like this?
do you ever get to see a user's exact balance when it comes to something like this?
No, and I think that's kind of the point of it all,
is that we don't know how much maybe someone has in their wallet.
They could have $1,000, they could have $1 million.
We never see that.
All we get through Orange Pass is a simple pass fail.
So whatever, say, for example, if you're a project
and you want to have VIP access to something,
so in order to do that, someone has to have over $10,000 in their wallet.
As long as they hit that criteria, it's a simple kind of pass fail.
We don't see any balances, don't see any usernames, no kind of personal images or personal data,
like passports, for example, just get the outcome, essentially.
So it's great in kind of two ways it protects
the user privacy or three ways actually protects your user privacy makes that allows a project to
take advantage of the reputation protocol that means we don't have to store a whole bunch of
data as well which uh is a lot less costly and just kind of works a lot better for us
yes for sure that's it that's always great to keep us out of the kind of data storage business.
So next up, actually, what's actually supported today?
Which exchanges work right now?
Yeah, so we've got quite a few of the big centralized exchanges.
You've got Binance, OKX, Bybit, Gate are all supported.
So with this, if you're, say, a project and you want to kind of run, say, an airdrop or you want to kind of get folks involved in like an IDO or an ICO or something like that, you can basically check.
You can set up kind of different fund tiers and KYC status. And actually one of the interesting ways actually, I'm sure everyone on the call
today has had to use like KYC tools at some stage or KYC kind of, yeah, pap checks. What
we can do with Orange Pass is once you've got set up with your Orange Humanities score
and you've launched and you've set up on Orange Pass, you can take that KYC status across
multiple exchanges. You can take it across multiple projects
because you've already fulfilled that criteria.
So that's great because it's a bit of a pain,
like almost everything now you need to do KYC for
and it's a little bit tedious kind of taking photos
of your face and holding up your passport
and stuff like that.
And you're also giving your data away
to a lot of different like small KYC providers,
which isn't exactly ideal as well
from a data privacy perspective.
So this just kind of bypasses all of that.
And you can set different tiers as well.
So say you want to target folks on like a bronze tier if they've got more than $100 in their wallet,
silver, $1,000, gold, $10,000, or whatever it might be, allows you to do that.
And again, don't see any data, no account names, nothing like that.
It's all just run through Orange Pass and ZKTLS.
Awesome. So already there's really solid coverage for folks. And say, for example,
if we want even stronger assurance, can we then combine some of these checks?
Yeah. And this is great for kind of avoiding like symbols or bots and stuff like that. So
what you could do potentially is you could have like a funds threshold to say you set $1,000.
dollars uh they also have to pass kyc on binance and then you can uh set a certain amount of
twitter followers say you want to kind of open this up to like a kol round or something like
that if you've got like uh an airdrop or something like that so you want to target people who are
influential in the space to fulfill all the normal criteria you can combine those together and do that
to fulfill all the normal criteria, you can combine those together and do that.
And again, like if you combine these together, it still doesn't give any indication of what
the person has in their wallet, what their holdings are, whatever it might be.
Although easy, like it's easy enough to find this stuff.
It just means that there's an extra layer of privacy for folks.
Yeah, and that definitely makes sense for both safety and growth at the same time.
So let's go, let's jump into reputation, because I know, I think this is what Orange is kind of so well known for.
So can these results that we've just chatted about also power reputation then?
Yeah, definitely. Like the Orange Pass, it feeds into the OHS or Orange Humanities
scores as we term it. So basically the Orange Humanities score is like an aggregation of
all your different kind of reputation checks, any of the models you've fulfilled. So this
can be a whole bunch of different things, like how many times you've voted on Snapshot,
how many POAPs you hold. There's like 50 or 60 different models currently.
So you can combine Orange Pass into that.
And basically it means that you boost your reputation score via the Orange Humanity score,
but you're also kind of have the convenience of protecting your data and just like not having to kind of redo KYC checks,
not having to prove each time that you've got X-Men in your wallet or whatever the criteria that a particular project sets for whatever it might be, like a VIP access or something or like a airdrop or whatever it might be.
So there's a whole bunch of benefits to this. And the beauty of it as well is you can take this reputation like across different chains, across different protocols.
It's completely chain agnostic. Although we do for projects specifically, we do support a bunch of different chains recently launched on base, which was quite cool.
We launched a couple of exciting projects that are growing really rapidly there.
So the idea is that Orange Humanities score becomes like the go-to reputation layer. So
you can take it and integrate it into any project across any chain. And it just is a really convenient way of not having to do a bunch of different things
across multiple chains while still maintaining your data privacy.
Yeah, and I know, obviously, we work together within Ontology,
so I know how much effort you've been putting in to kind of further develop
like partnerships and collaborations as well.
So it's always cool to see. And well as you as you've just mentioned with the
reputation system super helpful for long-term trust so let's talk a little
bit more about the core problem that we're solving so what does this actually
fix for us yeah like I think it's a common problem in in web 3 like that
constant be having to do kind do KYC for every single
project or protocol or airdrop or claim that you have to put in.
And as well as that, with Orange Pass, you're replacing these fakeable screenshots. It's possible
to bypass some of these KYC providers, especially the sort of less reputable ones.
And at the same time, you don't want to be giving all those folks your data.
You wouldn't go around the street showing people your passport.
So you're putting a lot of trust into a provider that you may know very, very little about.
So what this means is that you never have to show anyone your passport.
All the projects that we kind of work with gets
is like a pass fail.
So yes, this person has already completed KYC
on Binance, for example, therefore they're KYC compliant.
So it's less manual review time as well, fewer leaks,
and it just works a lot easier.
It's a lot more convenient for your community
or for your project.
And again, no data stored, no privacy kind of breached.
So there's a whole bunch of different benefits that we're trying to solve for,
or a host of different problems that we're trying to solve for.
So yeah, at the moment, it just makes life a lot easier,
especially if you're busy in the space and you cross a bunch of different
kind of protocols and projects and chains to be able to kind of just
integrate this directly in.
Definitely something like this is so valuable.
Obviously then it's less manual review, fewer leaks,
which kind of just makes so much sense.
So let's jump in a little bit more and to try to understand
how does it work at a glance, for example,
or how does it work in 60 seconds?
Yeah, it's a great question. We try to make it as easy as possible.
Anyone who set up their OHS knows that it's a pretty straightforward process.
So essentially you just install Orange Pass, open the verification page.
You can pick, and you don't have to do them all.
You can do them all, but you don't have to.
You can just pick the one that you want to do.
So say, for example, you look at the rule like KYC passed on Binance
or funds greater than $1,000 in OKEx.
And then Orange Pass will open the source site to verify.
So that private proof is created on your own device, not on Orange Pass.
We don't hold any data, not on the project that you're working with
or kind of interacting with.
And then the contract verifies this to grant access.
So it's again, it's this pass fail thing that we spoke about.
So there's no data being shared, it's just yes or no.
So super simple to use, very easy to set up.
We try to make it as few steps as possible as well.
Awesome, sorry, Spaces wasn't reacting to me there. So where exactly can folks use this today then?
Yeah, so basically the major exchanges, they're currently the ones that we've set up at the
moment. There's always kind of different projects that are integrating Orange and Orange Pass
all the time. You can see some of the campaigns that are integrating Orange and Orange Pass all the
time. You can see some of the campaigns that are up there live at the moment. Linear, for
example, is one of the bigger ones with Fairax. So yeah, it's coming up all the time. And
if you are like a project, it's very easy to kind of white label this and integrate it
in front of your kind of upcoming drops or VIP rounds or whatever you're kind of running.
It fits a number of different
scenarios. That's kind of the beauty of this use case series. We get to talk a lot about
what kind of real value that this can provide for folks. So again, the major exchanges, your
gate, OKEx, finances, that's already integrated in there, fully functioning right now. You can go
on today and set up those rules for yourself. Yeah, that's pretty much it.
So I would suggest to everyone to set up Orange Humanities score initially, integrate Orange
Pass into it, just means that any of the upcoming kind of partnerships or campaigns we have
coming up, you're prepared for, you're ready for, and you can just kind of react quickly.
And it means that because we were kind of reducing symbols, reducing bots, means projects can actually provide way more value to folks that are participating in whatever campaigns or whatever kind of drops that they're running.
They don't have to worry so much about kind of giving away a bunch of tokens to people who aren't even real.
So essentially this is like your OTC and private deals, right?
And then potentially launchpads or IDOs or there's other like VIP features
that could be potentially used within this, right?
Yeah, exactly.
Like, so one of the big problems,
like if you're involved in a project,
like you'll get messages on Telegram,
like almost like once or twice a week,
if not more, with folks offering,
oh yeah, an OTC deal, yeah, I'd love to buy your token,
whatever it else is.
So this gives you a way to kind of verify whether those people are actually real kind of KYC people,
not just kind of scammers, bots and stuff like that. So it means projects can actually kind of
leverage those deals a lot more than they could without Orange Pass integrated. So
So a lot more value for the projects that's involved.
a lot more value for the projects that's involved.
Well, without getting too technical,
so what does the user actually see and then need to do
when it comes to Orange Pass?
Yeah, so it's a pretty simple interface.
Essentially, basically, they go into Orange Protocol, they enter the app.
Once they've set up their Orange Humanity score, then they can basically set up Orange
Pass.
As I mentioned, there's a bunch of different data models up there.
You don't just have to set up KYC.
You can also set up your passport.
You can set up various forms of ID.
Again, we don't hold any of that data.
And essentially, it's super easy for them then to bypass any of these KYC requirements
or any of these ID requirements on different projects, which almost all projects these days
require to some extent.
So for that, it's super simple.
Awesome, Dave. That's that, it's super simple.
Awesome, Dave.
That's all the questions from my side.
I know that we do have another use case around GitHub,
but I think we'll save that for another Friday.
I know you've been kind of talking nonstop for the last 15 minutes.
So is there anything you'd like to wrap up with?
I'm going to jump in and do a couple of other updates.
Yeah, sure.
I don't mind at all. Like if you want to do the next one, no problem. If not,
yeah, let's save it for another time. Yeah, so biggest thing, of course, is always set up your
Orange Humanity score. It opens up a whole bunch of different opportunities for you as a user,
as a member of the Orange community, but also with all of our partners. There's kind of consistent
campaigns running at least two or three a month
with different partners that take advantage of someone having an OHS and it means you get access
to kind of prizes. We've got an ongoing one where there's 1200 ONG given away every single month to
those who mint their their OHS. In addition to that, yeah, try it at Orange Pass, give us your feedback,
let us know like what works well, what doesn't't work well it's always kind of driven by the community on this one and of course yeah follow us on
on socials as well cool dave as always it's been a pleasure um i might drag you back next week and
we can go through get the github use case but um i really appreciate your time today and i'm just
going to spend the next 10 minutes kind of just giving folks a general community update so feel
free to stay or i won't be offended if you need to drop off.
I know you've got a bunch of calls.
Thanks a lot, Claire. I appreciate it.
OK, awesome. As always, a really interesting call with Dave from Orange Protocol.
So if folks have any questions about what we chatted about today, do let me know. Always here to kind of answer your questions. So
is Dave or anyone else in the ontology team. And I owe a bunch of updates when it comes to these
community calls. I had promised a couple of weeks ago that I'd be putting all of these community
calls into an article and uploading them to the blog. But obviously I've done that because
I've been spending most of my time on calls the last couple of weeks you can probably
hear it in my voice I've had a few calls already this morning it's 8am my time and yeah I've already
had a few calls so I will get back on on uploading that content um just as reference just for folks
that maybe don't want to listen to the call or kind of want to go back or as I mentioned before
some of the um research that I do um I'll link the source articles in there so you guys can go
and check that out for yourselves as well.
Okay cool so to start with kind of one of the most recent updates so well actually this has
been running for the last 11 days so this is the account abstraction riding bounty um so this
is to kind of unlock smart accounts so essentially this is like a new opportunity that we want to
provide the community um so why account abstraction matters let's start with that and then we can we
can jump into the bounty a bit um so on ethereum essentially you you traditionally use an eoa so
this is an externally owned account controlled by one
private key so account abstraction lets your account behave like a smart contract with these
programmable rules kind of custom signing for example these pass keys social recovery spending
limits batched actions or letting apps pay your gas so the leading standards or standard that delivers this without changing
Ethereum's core protocol is ERC4337. Yeah, it's very heavy stuff, but anyway, we'll go through it.
So why does this matter? So these are definitely some of the benefits that are going to be important
for you guys. So use better sign-in methods. Again, we're talking about these pass keys,
multi-sig hardware keys, potentially beyond a single seed phrase and then GASM is obviously then made a
lot simpler, a lot easier because apps can sponsor your fees or you can pay GAS
in tokens like USDC and then there's one-click flows that batch multiple
actions like approve, swap, bridge into a single operation and then we look at
smoother UX with session keys to grant this kind of temporary or limited key to an app, which is obviously great for games or mobile.
So you're not approving every tiny action.
So what we've done or Jeff kind of put this into action is to kind of look beyond or to kind of deal with this kind of potential shift.
So the EIP is kind of behind the shift.
So there's three Ethereum improvement protocols, which are the EIPs that have pushed
kind of account abstraction forward.
And we wanted to open this up to the community to kind of learn a little bit more
about account abstraction, also to learn what you guys understand
about account abstraction.
It's dense, I think, but it's definitely something that's
really important. So we definitely wanted to hear from the community. And from the 1st of September,
we were running this bounty that over three weeks, so I think we have about one more week left.
So we're running a rider bounty to kind of gather different types of perspectives,
also to get explainers and like insights on this shift
that we just mentioned.
And this is something that we kind of had started a little bit
in trying to get folks more involved in what was happening
with decentralized identity around the DID fund,
but this is obviously a little bit more focused
when it comes to the ontology community.
So week one was account abstraction,
and now we've moved on to smart accounts, and then we're going to be doing how smart accounts and account
abstraction fit together.
Sorry folks my telegram was pinging too much. So the rewards for this are going
to be $25 in ONG,
and this is going to be each week, obviously,
and then one winner published weekly on Ontology's Medium.
And then I think once we have this kind of outline finished,
we'll summarise everything together,
and then we'll probably highlight folks on the Ontology blog,
which is something I talk about all the time,
and we're working hard to kind of get new content up there.
So I think the judging criteria here is really important.
So submissions are going to be evaluated depending on certain factors. Obviously
presentations. So this needs to be super clear formatting. It has to make sense, right? So there
has to be a logical flow, concise language obviously will strengthen the impact of the article.
And then if there's any visuals like diagrams or infographics, charts or whatever,
I think they're going to help.
They're not required, but I think it's definitely going to be a positive.
And then clarity, as I mentioned there.
So the articles definitely need to be easy to read and well structured.
So making complex concepts like account abstraction, smart contracts and all the relevant EIPs.
We really just want this to be easier to understand, right, for a broader Web3
audience. Maybe if you're not even interested in kind of this side of Web3, I think to have content
that's just easy to absorb and easy to understand is always beneficial. And then accuracy as well.
So you're going to be looking at these technical details. So they must be correct, especially when
referencing Ethereum proposals such as EIP4337.
I won't go through all of them, but sources definitely need to be cited.
And then, yeah, it's always great to have a certain level of creativity.
So we definitely encourage folks to add any fresh perspectives that they might have, like original explanations,
any engaging writing styles that stand out from generic kind of technical summaries,
if that makes sense as well.
And everything we're trying to kind of get from this essentially is like community value.
So these articles should offer insights or practical takeaways that help the community learn,
debate or apply kind of a kind of abstraction in real contexts as well.
So if anybody's interested, yeah, just reach out or connect with one of our
Harbingers who are always very helpful. I see a bunch of them on the call today.
You could be added as a contributor potentially to the Medium publication
and then once you've accessed you can submit it directly to the Bounty topics
there. So this is something, yeah, it's going to be really great.
I think once these three weeks are done, I think we're going to put together more of a calendar for these types of writing bounties.
So we'll kind of have just different types, different topics that we'd love to kind of get folks to write about.
And then obviously then get you money for writing them as well
and there was a really interesting article actually just added to the blog a couple of weeks ago.
We were kind of having this conversation, which obviously we do a lot more ontology
when it comes to decentralized identity around ont ID, also reputation, kind of this idea
of like identity theft and exactly like how Web3 is going to solve that.
So if you consider someone somewhere right now,
obviously, and I've done this already today,
is logging into a bank account.
Well, I have logged into my own account,
but folks are logging into a bank account
that doesn't belong to them.
So they didn't get the password
and they didn't break into a bank, essentially.
They just bought data.
They bought a name.
They bought an email.
They bought some social security number, potentially,
and even someone's mother's maiden name.
So this can be obviously done, hacked on the dark web. So this is obviously what identity theft in 2025 looks like, and it's definitely happening on a much larger scale. So according
to the FTC, Americans reported losing $10 million to fraud in 2023, with identity theft leading the
pack. So it's obviously this modern version of pickpocketing,
except instead of stealing your wallet, someone's stealing your entire digital existence, which is
actually quite stressful to talk about on the call, the potential of this. So what is identity
theft, right? So obviously at its core, identity theft is someone pretending to be you.
I think in Web 2, we're always used to hearing it that it means
taking enough of your personal information to say open a loan or drain your bank account or like
file taxes which I'm not sure why anybody would do that but anyway the playbook hasn't changed much
obviously in the last two decades so you're still looking at these phishing emails dressed up as
your bank uh like sim swaps where a scammer convinces your phone carrier to hand over
your number, or the idea of centralized data base hacks that leak millions of identities in one go.
So the problem obviously is very straightforward. The internet was never built to prove who you are.
So essentially we've been kind of duct taping passwords, cookies, and all these kind of secret
tech questions on top of a system that wasn't designed for trust.
So this actually links quite nicely into the conversation that we had with Dave earlier.
So obviously this is getting a lot worse. So the more services that ask you to kind of hand over your identity, the more places that it can be stolen.
So every time you sign up for something and give your email, birthday, phone number, all of this data just gets stored right in some corporate silo.
So hack one of those silos and then the attacker isn't just inside your account.
They're also inside millions of accounts.
So this is obviously quite, I do feel quite stressed even reading this.
So this is interesting element of the article is that we wanted to see how Web3 even reading this. So this is an interesting element of the article,
is that we wanted to see how Web3 was addressing this. Again, this is what we always talk about when it comes to decentralized identity.
So think of your aunt ID.
So hundreds of logins scattered across the web.
Self-sovereign identity that's your SSI, so you're not logging in with Google anymore.
And then our ZKPs, our zero knowledge proofs that we talk about all
the time. So kind of obviously, as we've said, imagine proving you're over 18 without handing
over your birthday. So it's definitely seems like a much more secure model, but your personal
data doesn't live on someone's server essentially. So it's obviously it's more difficult for
it to be stolen.
So I think next week we're gonna get Dave back to kind of chat through another use case
when it comes to GitHub.
I also have a look back at August
with a bunch of different updates. We're going to do
like a kind of a pulse check on everything that happened within the industry in August as well.
And I do promise again that I will actually do this. I owe a bunch of content to the site. That's
actually something I'm going to be focusing on for the rest of the month, trying to clear my
calendar, have a little bit less calls and then upload a lot more content so that we can have
kind of a little bit more to chat about when it comes to our weekly updates.
And then we should have some more folks joining our community updates.
So we'll be introducing some collaborators and some partners,
which I always really enjoy those sessions as well.
And as always, just a quick reminder about the On-To-Not-Starter package.
If you have any questions, don't hesitate to reach out to your Harbingers.
They'll support you kind of through the process.
But the whole idea of this is to guide you through using Ontology and then to give you rewards for it as well.
So these rewards go out every month, I believe.
We have that lucky draw or a quick draw.
So then you're going to be earning for just, you know, getting involved and using Ontology as well.
And as I always recommend, please do go and check out our blog or let us know if there's content that we should be writing.
We're always open to your suggestions and always appreciate all the effort that you guys put in and helping us to kind of further connect to the community and to continue developing everything we're doing.
As well, check out the blog again and check out this account abstraction bounty so as I mentioned there's three sections
to it so this should be the final one and if you have any questions as always don't hesitate to
reach out to somebody on the team but I'm going to wrap up there today it was awesome to chat to Dave
it was really great to kind of have a quick look into kind of some of the conversations that we've been having on the team recently around identity theft as well um yeah and join me next week we
might have dave back if not then it'll just be me um and i'll do a deep dive into everything we've
been working on uh when it comes to ontology we'll do a look back at august as i said um check in
and web3 in general it's always it's always an interesting place to be
but yeah i appreciate everybody's time today
and hope everybody enjoys the weekend.
