Okay, good afternoon. All right. So we're locked in. We're about to rock. For many of you who know, we do about an hour for conversations and we have another wonderful guest, just to give you a little heads up.
chance to share the space to retweet, to like it, to add the comment, or a question, grab a coffee, grab a soda, a water, whatever you're drinking this evening, this afternoon, this morning I'm going in reverse, depends where you are. I'm going to hit the music and then when we come back,
So, we're actually starting the conversations. The electric is here. We're ready. And after we come back from a little music interlude, we'll get going. Just a reminder, conversations is in fact a podcast that we tape live here on the Twitter spaces. So, really, this is for everyone that's not on Twitter in the
to do this live though and share in the moment anyone listening. At the same time, I'm going to do something different. Many of you know we play some bangers here to get us going. But something unique I noticed with Vialetta and I haven't run this by her, but we're going to do it
Anyways, because it's been all the rage lately and that is Pepe and apparently we're gonna find out who's a Pepe girl in a Pepe world so as I play as I'm gonna give us a quick Pepe girl in a Pepe world intro here, but share the space Let's make sure that anybody that's here today that wants to
listening right now Ken and when we come back from listening to Vialetta we'll have Vialetta to talk about it. All right, grab your drink. Let's go.
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Wow, what a way to enter another Conversations the first time I played a little duo right there from the Twitter right there a Pepe girl in a Pepe world good afternoon everyone. Welcome to conversations. This is the place where we like to talk
Talk to the who, the why, the what. We find out what's going on in Web 3 and we showcase it to Web 2. I appreciate everyone spending another week with us. If you're looking for past episodes of conversations, you can see them on Spotify or listen on Spotify and iTunes. This episode will be up there.
in the near future. But we have some incredible episodes for you already to listen to. Shout out to Kaye Money from last week and we look forward to today's episode and future ones without further ado. Let's welcome in our guest, Vealetta. It's great to have you here. Thanks for joining us. - Yeah, Michael. Thank you so much for having me.
me. Really happy to be here. Thank you for opening the show with my Pat Lake girl song. Wasn't expecting it, but yeah, it's fun. So thank you so much. Happy to be here. Yeah, it's really great to have you know. I've been excited to do this and explore more of the music.
side of Web 3. And then you kind of made it easy on me when I thought about music. I had a lot of choices because you have a lot of great songs but this is timely. So why don't we just start by first. If you're in here right now, shout out, make sure you're following.
If you have a question, you know how we do this at the end, we will bring up any questions if you want to actually ask me a little, bring up a few people, or you can drop your questions if you don't have the ability to speak or can't today, you can hit them in the chat box on the bottom right, as well if you want to invite anyone else in your community to listen to this conversation.
the space and always appreciate your time as a community and also the guests and the Atlanta. So the Pepe thing, let's just start there before we kind of circle all the way back to some history and learn more about you. But what inspired you to just kind of make the Pepe Rift? I mean, you have a beautiful
voice, you came up with it quickly. So why don't we just talk about this kind of taking what is a viral meme and a meme coin and turning it in and making some music out of it? Yeah, well, I, it's the second Pepe kind of parody that I do. And I don't know.
To be honest, I've been enjoying hanging out with a Pepe community. I'm not necessarily someone who is a big DJ, you know, I don't go into meme coins very much. That was the first meme coin I'd ever bought because I saw it being born and I was like, "Okay, I
want to be part of something that's just starting out and that has such a big presence. And then I saw the community becoming bigger and bigger and stronger and embracing the music side of Web 3, embracing the arts and letting artists express themselves. And you know, so I thought how cool would it be if I just
you know, did a parody song, right? And I'm, I love humor. I kind of, I host spaces every day and I've done this kind of thing before where I take a famous song and fit it into web3 topics and make it funny. I love that kind of thing. So I did the first one with the song "Pony" by Januane and I just said,
And then I don't know, on Sunday I was just looking for a new song to do. And I was like, "Wait, Barbie girl, that's a meme song itself." It's not a serious song and it's huge.
it's a viral song. So I'm a Pepe girl in a Pepe world. So that was kind of the idea. I think it's a great idea. I mean, and you nailed it. It's beautiful to listen to you. Now I've been able to listen to you live. I've been able to listen to you on the airwaves. I mean, it's something that's really enjoyable for me.
me is to go around the entire Web 3 space and learn and connect with people that are creating and are in different ways. And you do it obviously through the music. I want to go back so that people can learn about you, right? Not just people that maybe here on Twitter, but in general.
So, who is the Aleda and where did the music inclination and how did it all start? Go back to your childhood or wherever you kind of took it up. I want to learn about your kind of past to understand the President in the future. Yeah. Well, first of all, I want to say how much I appreciate being on this podcast because
And this is a great idea. It is one of the best tools to learn about Web 3. And that's how I first started learning the first few things about Web 3 was listening to podcasts on Spotify, listening to other music artists from the opposite side of the world. I'm now friends with, but listening to them talk about
their achievements and their past and present and future. So I hope that someone will hear this in getting inspired. So, you know, I'm from Italy. I'm a musician, singer/songwriter, been a musician my whole life. 10 years ago at the age of 18, I signed with a major label after doing X-Factor in Italy.
very small music industry over there, but you know it kind of went well for me except for I signed the worst deal I could possibly sign and I managed to get out of it became an independent artist after that and have been independent no manager you know no record label nothing no real infrastructure
around me for the last seven years. But of course it's hard, you know I made a living playing hundreds of shows and writing songs making very little money through streaming but trying to expand and diversify writing songs for movies and commercials and other artists and acted in movies as well. So for the past 10
years or so I've just kind of tapped into many many corners of the music industry and entertainment industry always kind of struggling because of you know the general perception you know the music industry says this is what's trendy right now this is how things work so you need to do this kind of
music so we can sell it and if you don't do that we can't sell it where it should be like I'll make the music I want and you find a way to promote it. It should be that way but I always struggled to get that point across and so then the pandemic hit and I couldn't play my shows anymore and I couldn't go out and do movies or do other things.
So after a year and a half, I was pretty much about to quit because I just couldn't pay my bills anymore and I was like, "I'm 26, you know, I'm still young, but I've been doing this for a long time. I want to, you know, move on and like actually have a career and this will always stay with me but maybe not as a profession." But first I
I decided to make one last album and give it one last try and so I did. I recorded at EP called "Moonshot" here in Nashville. And then I went home for Christmas and my mom told me about Web 3 and that's where it all kind of started. You know, I dived in and here we are.
Wow. So your mom tells you about Web 3. I have a lot that I want to get to. That's the first time I think I've heard it phrase that way for anyone that I've talked to, which is incredible. So your mom tells you about Web 3. How does that conversation go? What does she say? Where were you? Give us a little bit more on
Yeah, you see I went home for the holidays and I had this record that I had been you know shopping to record labels. I went to a bunch of major labels and smaller labels and seeing if they would be interested in signing me you know because I
I was like, "Okay, I think this is good enough for me to have some leverage, but I didn't." And every label was like, "No, this sounds old. Wear your numbers on TikTok. Wear Spotify. Your numbers on Spotify. You have to do dances on TikTok." And I was like, "I can't
can't believe it that this is what it has to go down to. So when I went home for the holidays, I was talking about it with my mom, you know, I was expressing my frustration. She's the most supportive mother I could possibly ask for. She has been encouraging me her and my father as well to
But be myself, my whole life. They believed in me and my sister enough to tell us that we didn't have to be anything else but ourselves and things would unravel in a good way. And so she turns around and she goes, "Hey, have you been reading about this
NFT thing and I'd never heard of it. And she's like, yeah, it's crypto blockchain never never even bought any crypto never knew anything about crypto. And my mom hadn't either except she's a very informed woman. She's just very curious reads a lot
I was like, "Mom, you're crazy.
Why do you think people would pay money for music? It's free. She's like, listen, you can either just quit and not try this and quit or take a look, read something, listen to a podcast. So I did and it immediately made sense to me. So yeah, I am forever grateful to my mom as always.
So anyone listening to this just got some really good information from VLETA's mom. The encouragement is one thing, but the information that she has. Is she on Twitter? Because I need to follow her if so. She is on Twitter and she comes to all my spaces. She responds to my GM tweets, but she doesn't speak.
She doesn't have the alpha Michael and the scariest thing is that she doesn't like bi-crypt or anything like that but I swear to God that every time there's a bad
We're about to have a dump in the market the day before she tells me sell and Every time she's right. So yeah, well listen You know they say a lot of things like you get it from your mama or you know be like moms We love the mom so yeah shout out to you
mom obviously we've learned a lot here already about her it was just mothers they happy mothers they to to all the moms and your mom as well that's really exciting I definitely want to connect maybe one day we'll have a conversation with her as you continue to grow because you are blossoming in front of everyone in web 3's eyes so
Let's just go back a little bit to when you started I mean musically speaking and not web 3 at all, but musically speaking what inspired you to sing I mean was there someone in your you know in your youth that you just looked up to you obviously said you started kind of doing the X factor thing so take us through who is maybe a mentor and is
inspiration or how you got into singing. Definitely. So once again, my family plays a big part in this whole thing because my dad is an artist. He's not a music artist per se, but he's a visual artist. He draws comics for a living. He works for Disney for 30 years. So he
He's always been a very creative person and as a side thing is a hobby, he plays music, plays guitar, harmonica, sings a little bit, writes some songs and music is his second passion together with film and drawing. So when I was very little, you know, I would jam with my dad a little bit, you know, he would play some songs and then guitar
we would write some songs or whatever and one time he just noticed that I had a good voice you know that I could sing in tune and he didn't you know he didn't have to hear it twice he was like you're going to acquire right away so I went and did choir with other kids when I was three and then when I
I was 5, I was old enough, he was like, "Alright, you're taking piano lessons." So I took 11 years of classical training on the piano. And then in my teens, he said, "Okay, here's a guitar. Try the guitar." He just really pushed me in that direction because he saw that I had this
position for it. And my mom was also very supportive, so really I grew up in a family that was very supportive of the arts and very encouraging. And so I really owe it all to them, the fact that I have confidence that this can be done, because a lot of other artists are discouraged by their parents.
Yeah, that's that's not what you like to hear I love to hear the encouragement and the support and the guidance from from your parents now Do you sing in only English? How about Italian? I mean growing up, you know in Italy how does that flow for you? Yeah, I can sing in both
Obviously, I think when I started singing, you know, the music that I was listening to was English, like the language was English and so I grew up kind of that way but as I was growing a little older I started
I'm not really a huge fan of like current Italian music to be honest. It's not very... Of course, some of it is good, but like the general stuff you hear on the radio, I'm not a huge fan. So I was never really attracted to
that. But then when I discovered some old stuff that really influenced the world musically as well, certain songs made so much impact. Think about the song "Volare" that's like a huge song that was one of the first ever pop songs with the structure that we know as
being the classic pop structure. You know, I started appreciating it and started singing in Italian more. So I have actually put out a few Italian songs and my first Italian single that I put out as an independent artist was in Web 3 because I didn't feel
judged as well, right? Because when I lived in Germany, in the UK, people were like, "We don't want to hear Italian music. We can't understand." But then when I got into Web 3, people were like, "We want to hear it. It's beautiful. We don't care if we don't understand what you're saying." The music speaks. So I did. And it went really well.
Yeah, it does sound like when your music hits that it speaks really well. I've listened to a number of the songs and as I said at the top, I've listened to you live. You know, as you progress in your career, I mean you, you know, moonshot, you put in over a day.
decade, you find some connections here in Web 3, you start making real girls, now you're doing all sorts of stuff. What has it been like over the last couple of years for you? Yeah, the last couple of years have been life changing.
to say the least and you know when they say it takes 10 years to get overnight success. You know a lot of people who may not know what's behind you know maybe they come in here now other musicians and they see you'll be a lot of sold like all these NFTs she has a community but like
I did put in a lot of work and in the last year especially I think that prior decade, that decade prior to this was absolutely essential. All the doors shut in my face and all the
experiences, I was able to store all that information and energy and hunger to get things done and then it all came pouring down here in Web 3. So the year before I got into Web 3, I spent refining my music, really, really, really making sure
that I had the best music I could possibly produce and that I couldn't be more proud of. And then as soon as I got into Web 3, I was like, "All right, now it's time to get it out there." And you know, I started working really, really hard and my life absolutely changed. Like, I
fell in love with music again. I felt useful to the world. I felt like I found my tribe. I moved to the United States from Europe just about five or six months ago, which is something that I never thought I would do. So yeah, pretty life-changing stuff.
Yeah, one of the things that's incredible about having these conversations with the who and the what in Web 3 is you hear amazing stories of how the blockchain, the technology, then connects in real life to change lives and you're a prime
example of someone that with commitment, consistency, and determination has kind of utilized the potential that you say Web 3 or the technology allows you to do. And so it's really exciting for someone that's listening to this. That's hearing
your journey, hearing your story, doesn't really understand Web 3. What do you say to them? Like, how do you get people? Because I'm sure you meet people, right? And maybe they still don't know. But how do you tell people about what crypto is? Blockchain Web 3? How do you describe it? Yeah, it's very, very, very good.
question. I guess there's different ways to explain it. You could explain it in philosophical terms, which is normally the thing that I kind of start with, but think of a parallel way of exchanging value.
Right? Where you don't have anyone between you and the receiver of that value. No one, nothing, you can literally send whatever you want directly to a person or that person can get it directly from you and give you something back directly with nothing.
Between you guys so that's really how I describe web 3 to myself as well into people to my friends because that's the very simple terms right I think it makes people understand because a lot of people say like why wouldn't you sell JPEGs online? You know why can't you do what you do?
in Web 2. Well, because even if I do sell JPEGs online, I'm going to have to use some kind of platform that's going to take some kind of percentage, you know, and people are not going to trust that it comes from me, necessarily, they're not going to know what I'm going to do with that money. If they're getting the authentic, you know, piece of music that came
directly from me through the blockchain technology you can verify all of that. It's so transparent. Anyone can see the provenance where this comes from when it was created and nothing and nobody stops that exchange of information. That's what the blockchain
allows and so it opens up an ocean of possibilities that wouldn't exist, that don't exist in the traditional way of promoting, selling, making music or art or joining communities and that's not even it. We haven't even seen
seen the big part of this, you know, that this technology is going to offer. I've heard this example the other day that I like to, it's got nothing to do with music, but it's interesting because one day someone said we'll be able to track where our food comes from. Like think of food.
fruit and vegetables, right? If, you know, the provenance that where it comes from is going to be engraved on the blockchain, you know exactly when, where, who, you know, all these questions that we have, and you don't have to pay anyone in between to make those things happen. It's direct. So to me, that's a revolution.
There's a lot I want to dig into here because you epitomize when I think about what the technology can do for individuals. You are really one of the highlights in a sense of showcasing the opportunity. I mean you just described how you move to America.
And a lot of that has to do with what has opened up for you through the technology and you described putting in a decade plus in your music career being screwed over by record labels and you hear this so often especially with music.
but finding a way to have success outside of the the the standard and showcasing a new way to do things and how you can take control of your destiny and I've always thought when I considered crypto for you know five six seven years and been excited about it is just the ability that
that the blockchain allows for some financial freedom and some freedom to control your destiny. And so I love when I talk to individuals, artists, creators, people doing that and you really epitomize that. So I love that. I want to dive into another life by VELECTA.
Before we do that though, I want to take a moment to thank everyone for being here. We're kind of halfway through conversations. This is another fantastic episode. We have our guest today, Zeroni. That's the Twitter handle, but if you're wondering, it's reversed on Twitter, so it's VL et The Zeroni. This will
Be wonderful for Web 2 to hear, but if you're here right now and you have a question, you can put that in the bottom right chat box We will bring up a couple if you have a question and you want to actually talk to Vieletta Just in a little bit here, but the I want to talk now about your art that kind of takes your music and then uses
it as their PFP collection right so you have another life it's your music NFTP of P collection you got five original songs I've already seen people here in today's conversation post their holdings so kind of walk us through the thought process when you created it and help someone that owns you know
one of these NFTs or maybe multiple can benefit and make it so that not just we can hear or understand here but think about the people that are kind of just hearing this for the first time to want to get involved. Yeah, absolutely. Actually, I'm just coming from a meeting where I had to explain this to someone who's a
little bit older, they're like in their 70s and you know I had to explain how this kind of thing works and it's hard to grasp but basically another life is what we call a collection of artworks right there's 5,200 artworks
avatars, so to speak, they represent a girl in many, many, many, many different looks. Actually, 5,200 different looks because every single one of those looks unique, has a different combination of details, traits, hairstyles, accessories, outfits that make that very one specific
One unique so every person that holds these first of all they get a unique piece of art that is inspired by the song that's attached to it There are five songs across the collection so every NFT has one of these five songs so think of it like an album cover of
or a single cover with the song attached. So that's really physically what it looks like. So that's my album. That's the new way that I found to put out my music as NFT collections. And really what these NFTs do is they give you access or let's say deeper access
to my world, my ecosystem as an artist. So holding one only of these NFTs, let's say it's one of the common ones, right? Because we also have different rarities within the collection. The art is generated with a code, right? It's generative art. It's hand drawn, but it's generative. So it's completely
but it's more rare you can get access to my vinyl records for free free prints of that artwork free concerts for the rest of your life to my shows and then we have gamified, terrified the collection in a way that if you complete certain bundles right if you collect all the five songs complete the album you get access to more mince, free mince
You can even book me for private shows if you want if you have like the top tier utilities if you complete all these bundles You can book me for private shows at no cost for you after you buy the NFTs once a year forever You can request custom songs that I write for you and you can use for your business. So really I make myself a very
available to the people that buy these access tokens because of course they buy them for like a hundred and a hundred and fifty two hundred dollars right it's like one song but it's so much more than that one song it gives you access to me and myself as an intellectual property almost you can use me for some
something that's valuable to you and it could just be entertainment every week. You just come to my show and watch me play and request songs and I'll learn them for you. You know, so yeah, people have been valuing these NFTs quite a lot. That's another life. It's a very intricate collection. We worked with a Disney artist over in
Italy, Ariana did an amazing job. The traits, there's about 250 of them. They're all inspired by the lyrics of my songs. So it was a lot of work, but it was really, really well worth it. And some of them, you know, since when people buy them, they buy them randomly. It's like opening a pack
of cards, right? You don't know if you're getting a rare one. Some of them were rare and people were able to literally flip them for, I don't know, 30 times the price they bought it for, right? Because people want that access that that specific rare one gives you. So I know it's a lot and this is just a little recap, but yeah.
Now I did a little recap, but it's got a lot in there. And it really kind of not just showcases if you're a fan and you want more access, it showcases to anyone that is also into art, into music and how you can create access to whatever you are doing in any way.
So this is really important information that is valuable to kind of everyone in some level. It shows a real use case of how you can monetize and create your future in whatever you do in different ways. I love the access component. And I just kind of was thinking, I can't imagine someone
having access to you every Friday or these concerts nonstop. That sounds like a lot. But speaking of concerts, I was able to connect with you just a few months back here in Los Angeles and watch you perform live. And so talk about performing live. I mean, obviously we started this with a little Pepe show.
showcase that you put on Twitter and you obviously love it. So has that been something that you've always loved performing live or had you did you need to kind of grow into it with your music? I've always loved it. It's probably one of my favorite things to do together with writing songs, the writing process, something I really love doing. But you know,
performing has always, it's always the first thing an artist does, I believe at least someone with an extroverted kind of personality like mine. And you know, in the traditional music industry it's always been really hard to also get paid, right, for performances because
because it's almost like paid a play. We're going to give you exposures. You have to come here and play for free. And if you didn't do that, people seem like they didn't care about you. But when I got into Twitter within the Web 3 blockchain community,
I realized that people valued the live performances a lot more and that's literally everything I've built the NFT community on. I performed countless hours on these Twitter spaces where we're recording this podcast now live 17,
16 hours a day for a year plus and I still do it now and there's always an audience there for me, you know, an audience that's respectful and that gets to listen, right? It's not rushed. There's no distractions. It's like it's a very intimate kind of exchange that we have here on Twitter through the social
audio, you know, of Twitter spaces, which is genius in my opinion. So I love doing that, but of course, nothing beats playing in person, right? So some of the best performances of my life, best gigs that I've done were in front of the Web 3 audience that I met
on spaces and then eventually we get to meet like the one we did in LA. You know I knew a lot of people in the crowd and I knew that some of them knew who I was and the songs and you know those things that come from Web 3 are amazing performing live it's yeah probably one of my favorite things to do.
Yeah, I could tell, you know, just by seeing you perform how really you into it, you are. And then obviously if you just scroll some Twitter for anyone listening to this podcast, you can find all sorts of good stuff from VLATA performing in short bursts and
And also just performing as a person and showcasing the technology, the R and everything that you have in your ecosystem. So there's a lot there, right? You've come a long way, but there's a long way to continue as you continue growing inside of and championing
blockchain and web 3. So what does the rest of 2023 look like for Vialetta? Yeah, so I think, you know, my last collection, another life, minted out maybe like two months ago, a little over two months ago. So,
Since then, I've been working on delivering the utility that comes with it, such as the vinyl records we did a line of merch exclusive for our community, free prints that were shipping all over the world. We have a free mint coming up. I did some live shows.
For the next couple of months still, I'm going to focus on that, really delivering the value back to the people that bought into the collection and build community with them and try to get new people to join our community, which is continuing to promote this cause and this project and this business.
this business model. But I think my plan for 2023 really is to explore new ways of putting out music on the blockchain. For the past two years I kind of used this model of putting out big collections as albums but I want to focus a little bit on putting out singles, right? Because
That's what artists do all the time. They don't always put out albums right albums are like really really big and sometimes you have to take breaks in between them to make sure everything is ready but a single is is Sometimes it's it's just better. You know to keep things going for the artist to continue being creative and to
to provide more value, right? In between maybe big projects to provide more value to the people that support those big projects so that everything then comes back to the big, you know, albums, right? I always try to, everything I do is, I try to be really intentional. So whatever I'm going to do next, and I think I'm going to put out a single
is definitely going to have some kind of value that's attached to the OG collections. But I think what I'm going to do next is actually bring some of my Spotify songs over to Web 3 because the songs I put out in the past year and Web 3 are not on Spotify but I have some older songs on Spotify and people go over there to listen
And I don't want people to go to Spotify. I want them to stay in Web 3 because this is where we are and this is where we'll stay. So I want to bring those songs to the blockchain so people have no excuses anymore and experiment. I think I'm going to do a drop on polygon soon. I've not dropped on polygon yet so I'm going to experiment with that.
incredible. I mean, and for those that don't know, they let the over 25,000 monthly listeners on Spotify telling everyone that here's this to come over to the blockchain to listen to these future singles and some of the music right here, potentially on Polygon or other chains, but music inside a web
three, one of the kind of curators and creators of maybe what will be the future potential that is this industry. Vialetta, it's inspiring to listen to you talk and see you perform and thinking about singles. I don't want to date myself, but that kind of reminds me
when I was younger, that musicians often put out singles often, and you could get the CDs of just singles. And so I kind of understand what you're saying now. Thinking about your music and the singles that you could create and make, what's the type of time frame that goes into putting out, let's say, one single?
I mean, it can be pretty, pretty fast in Web 3, to be honest. And that's a great use case, right? In Web 2, when you, well, Web 2, if you don't know what Web 2, Web 3 are, so in the normal music industry, right? When you want to put out a single
as an artist. I remember when I did it in the past I would always have to have everything ready and six weeks before, right? Because you have to like get the approval from the distributor and then you have to like upload it on Spotify.
but it has to be there at least like two weeks before and then you'd have to do this press release and it takes the PR company three weeks to get it around if you want to get barely any results or barely any eyes on your song so it's a process
Whereas in Web 3, you know, I've been talking about this for a while. I do it every day, talk about a sing the song. In the meantime, I'm getting the recording ready, the artwork ready, and working on the Drops mechanics. And yeah, I'll just once I have, you know, the
mechanism laid out, then I can just do it however many times I want. You know, it's like it really doesn't take much at all. I'm uploading the song, I'm minting the contract myself, I'm doing it myself and I can get it live right now if I want to. So it's pretty exciting.
Musicians/businesswoman handling it all incredible. So we've got some time left. I want to make sure that the listeners that are here and have joined us live can ask questions if they so choose. If anyone wants to request you're more than welcome to if you're a fan, if you have a question in common, anything, feel free to
music in the blockchain and web 3 or overall. I'd love to hear some of your thoughts. Yeah, I think we are extremely, extremely early. Like this is the genesis and it's really unpopulated, you know, like there's very, very few people in the world right now that are even aware
of blockchain. One thing that I think will bring more awareness to the blockchain technology and the defy and decentralised world that we're embracing right now is NFTs, right? Because it's something that has, you know, it's very easy
easy for it to have real life application. They can be visual a lot of the times because that's what onboarded me, right, to blockchain. To this very industry, it was NFTs. I didn't come here for crypto, for trading or anything like that. I came here for the use case for blockchain. So I think that's what's going to happen.
Music can be one thing, you know, medical field can be another thing, real estate, you know, law, all that stuff. Once we have the use cases, people will get onboarded. I do, however, think that it's gonna take a long time because it's very, very rudimentary.
still, you know, like we're in prehistory. We have to be all nerdy and tech savvy right now to navigate the space. It's so complicated. Like it's complicated for me. I've been in it for like, you're gonna have and it's my job and still I have some question marks on like how the hell does this work, you know? So I think, you know, when
the UX and the UI will become a little bit easier to use. And by the way, I do think there are big corporations out there that have all the tools ready to go, but they're just not ready to launch yet because they haven't refined the final product, but I think it's going to happen pretty soon. Then everyone's going to use it because it is literally
you're gonna make the world a better, safer, more transparent place. I am a blockchain Maxi if you didn't know. I think we got it. And I support that. You make a lot of good points there on how early or kind of
Genesis level we could be and as someone in the space whether it's for six months a year, you know, five years Look, everything is consistently evolving in real time changing There's massive growth, but at the same time it's still a challenge to make others understand what is going on in
And so the idea is if you're here already creating, curating and building and understanding what's going on in the future, you're more prepared for or understanding what's going on in the present, you're more prepared for the future and understanding how you can operate, iterate and make the most of it. So you know, you are at the forefront.
especially not just the blockchain, but the music side of that, which is interesting. I guess I'd love to hear from your perspective as well. When you look around the web 3 blockchain music space, are you fond of other musicians? How is that connection? Do you feel like there's not a lot
in you want to bring more in do you feel like this is your space in the sense of you know there isn't as much not just competition but as much people that really are utilizing it just yet yeah I don't think there's a lot yet but there's even less
collectors of music. Then there are musicians. I feel maybe, you know, that it's hard, right? Like, I feel like musicians are still in a very like traditional mentality where they feel like they need someone to facilitate.
their career. And it's hard for them to grasp that they can literally do it all themselves through the blockchain technology. So there's not a lot. There's not a lot of musicians here. And because there's not a lot of musicians, there's not a lot of people that understand this concept that are not musicians,
and then you know support this kind of movement. I've tried my best over the past year because I'm aware of this and really to validate my own point you know my belief I want people to believe in what I see you know and see the same thing that I see that ever since I started
with spaces, with Twitter. I've tried to elevate as much as I could any musician that I saw that was trying to understand it and tried to grasp it a little bit I would give him a spotlight on my Twitter spaces like immediately I almost like for some come up sing let people hear how what you have to offer because literally that's
so valuable. And so, you know, I've tried my best to do that and I've seen a lot of artists, you know, taking advantage of that and creating their own community and then selling out their collections and innovating in their own ways and then inspiring me back, you know. So I really do feel like as opposed to how it is in traditional
world where everyone's trying to get more market share for themselves. Right now we're still so small that if we start competing people are gonna think we're crazy you know what I'm saying? So we have to stick together and have a louder voice together with our communities as well. So yeah that's another thing that I'm really focused on as well.
I mean, as a leader in the space, you're an advocate for others, which I love to hear and see. Conferences. Let's just dive into conferences quickly. And then we will get you out of here. There's been a really exciting and enlightening conversation, especially around blockchain and the music. And again, I appreciate not only your time, but all the listeners and everyone
that will hear this in the real world, whether they're driving down the freeway or in traffic or somewhere at the gym working out on the podcast. But when you think about conferences and the blockchain and let's, you know,
we were just recently at. Are you fond of attending these conferences? What do you say to people trying to learn more? Do you plan on trying to go to more and more of these or is it kind of thing where once you've been to one you kind of feel like you've been to all? Where do you stand on that idea? No 100% I want to go to more and more. I went to a lot
of them last year. I just went to NFTLA, of course. I was a South by Southwest, NFTNYC, and you know, I think I'm taking a little break now because obviously it's hard when you're running like a community in a project to be traveling all at the same time, right? Because yeah, if musicians are hearing this, music is like
the thing that I do least during my day, I just do a lot of other things but it's all good because it allows me to do it long-term so I'd rather have that than have one hit, you know, one or and then that's it. But anyway, going back to the point, I think going to these conferences
helps you get out of this echo chamber a little bit that we're on you know that we're in every day through social media and really talk face to face to people get a different vibe and as a musician to perform in front of the audience that you've built online because they a lot of the times will travel to see you
because they're directly invested, right? So I feel like that's part of the utility. That's part of your roadmap to go out and gather more people through the in real life interactions and learn and make connections. You know, people go to music festivals, go to conferences and every industry and so
So yeah, we should do that in Web 3 as well. That's right. Merging of Web 3 with Web 2. It's something that I've talked about for a while. A lot of people say Web 2.5. I've been saying for over a year now, Web 2.1 step closer to 3. I think that's the mindset. That's how we get closer.
by step, build or by build or blockchain, it can be challenging out there but the more that you know, the more prepared you are for what's the common how you can work and iterate in it. I really appreciated this conversation. It's been a pleasure to kind of hear about your story.
the journey from across the world really, I mean from Italy to the States and your mom, how she has been such an instrumental in your blockchain journey and then of course your father and you just love to hear it. I think anybody listening whether or not you're in
You know, Web 3 or musician there's something here for everyone your time is super appreciated Conversations is only as good as the guests and the listeners so we appreciate everyone here that joins us weekly for a fantastic who what why of Web 3 and showcasing
this all to we need more of the space and be let to you are one of the as you continue to grow. I mean, really looking forward to seeing where you go in the future and hopefully you'll return to another conversations down the road. I 100% will and if anyone
is listening and they are curious, you know, to learn more. I would say first step to take come to Twitter, type in the hashtag #NFTMusicNFT. Give me a fall on Twitter, come to my Twitter spaces every day, 2pm Eastern every weekday and you know we want to onboard new people.
but we want to explain this. So you're on the right track if you're listening to this podcast and Michael. Thank you so much for creating it because I think it's this kind of thing is really, really, really powerful for bringing awareness and knowledge on this thing that could change people's lives. So thank you.
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