Hello there and welcome to the club.
Hi, thank you for having me. I hope you can hear me. Fine. Loud and clear. Loud and clear, man. Is it the Yasha? How do you pronounce the name?
It's Yasha. Yasha, Yasha. Sorry about that. Want to get that right half the bat. That was perfect. I was going to explain that anyway because a lot of people struggle. Yeah. Well, depending on where you're from, but where I'm from, yeah.
I do struggle, but yeah, welcome to the club, you share. That's great to have you, man. Thank you. It's a pleasure to also be on here to talk about our projects. So I hope you guys are interested and yeah, definitely.
definitely man. I mean, there's a lot of things to cover, both for what you're working on and what's happening in the space. There's a lot of things brewing in the secret network space these days. We actually had yesterday we had Blizzard, the sort of balancer, DEX AMM.
on secret networks. So yeah, we do have quite a few spaces already with people within the secret network. We actually have secret network coming on next week, even. It's extremely decentralized, the ecosystem within
secret network, but I guess that's kind of a no surprise there, being focused on privacy. Actually, coming as an outsider from the secret network, they sort of let me into the little
They put me on like they introduced me to a bunch of other leaders and some people that see could network and it was quite surprising how how everyone came from different backgrounds and it's a lot of people who just come together and it's amazing that they've that they've just sort of
mobilized and built something that actually is an asset, I suppose, to the Cosmos community but also to crypto. I was quite shocked at how organised it works.
It sort of works like, you know, it's like a, what's the saying? Like a, like a well-oiled machine. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, decentralization can, as I like to say, this, it can make you or break you. And those people, they get it right.
it would definitely make you. It builds very strong community ecosystem and everything in between. But just to make sure I get all the details right, so how do you refer to the project? Is it fully focused on Blackjack or do you have, like, when you refer to the project, is it more than
like the art with two A's or how do you normally refer to your project? Yeah, so the main project is Blackjack and A-OT is the group that I'm in and we
We've built Blackjack, but we're a positive, great thing. I'm more than happy to talk about that. I think I got the details right. So yeah, there's a lot of people to settle in and tune in.
But until then, so welcome everyone to the Cosmos Club, where we talk all things Cosmos, which we did about what's going on. And then we invite interesting, fascinating, hardworking builders of the Cosmos ecosystem. And today, we are joined by Yusia from Blackjack or ART, building on Secret Network. Welcome, Yusia.
Thank you. So as we just spoke about here in the before the intro, we we like to say that people in crypto they come from all walks of life, especially in customers, I feel, and you were just before the intro alluding to how
people in secret network building with secret network, they tend to have all kinds of backgrounds. So I'm curious what the who is Yisha and how did you end up working on AR and Blackjack on secret network tells a bit about your personal background.
Yeah, of course. It's no different at ART as well. We actually come from many different backgrounds. So as you know, my name is Yasha and I'm an associate at ART, which is AART, which is the
the association researching technology. We're a group who explore and research different emerging tech and we come from many different backgrounds. For instance myself, I am coming from the FinTech industry as a software engineer before that I was a
scientific software engineer. I worked on a few projects for Fermilab, CERN, STFC and ESS. Before that, I did my masters in particle physics at Queen Mary University of London.
So since since March this year, I've been leading a project which is formally known right now as Blackjack where we implement a blockchain card game on the secret network and AART is a part of a big group that sort of is
is helping to push that and it comes from initially just researching emerging tech. I took an interest in blockchain and particularly I took an interest in the privacy issue around blockchain and that's what sort of brought me to the secret network.
And so I'll talk a bit more about the project that is Blackjack. So it's an incredibly fun one, my opinion, it's an incredibly fun card shedding game and it shares its name with the casino game Blackjack, which is one word or as Blackjack is two words. You can play Blackjack with
with 2-7 players and the rules are very easy to understand since it's very similar to Uno, since both of those games they're based off of Crazy 8. When I first built Blackjack in November last year it was only
small proof of concept and the smart contract was barely 200 kilobytes. So it was only until later on a small community took interest in it. So we began building a proper web app to let people try it out for themselves.
Since then we've gained a lot of great engagement and feedback, so we're hoping to continue encouraging people to continue help us with beta testing. You can do this by trying out the game, which is available to anyone at any time.
You can do it by yourself or with friends since we've created a single player and multiplayer options Awesome awesome man and yet talk to us about just to wheel back a bit to your personal background So you mentioned a scientific software engineer or software
were developer. Have you always been fascinated with games or card games? How does someone like you end up working and building games on secret network, a privacy blockchain? I'm just curious to hear that that just seems quite far-fetched.
Perhaps and I'm sure it should be to great to great lengths because of love and passion and ambition for cards. I guess it's a mix of both circumstance and
And a little bit of background. So when I was younger, my friends and I would go to after school, IT, where you can sort of do a bit of programming and do your own stuff. And I did initially
I was a little bit into making platform games and I was very much into the retro style of Mario or Sonic and I used to make chiptune music and I used to sort of be into games and then I fell in love
with physics and I studied it at university. But the reason why I chose to make Blackjack is a little bit circumstance as well. So I was just looking into, I was interested in the tech and I know that's what people say.
was interested in the technology behind privacy enabled smart contracts. And I was thinking to myself, okay, what would be a really easy thing to build that needs privacy and can be built on a blockchain?
One of the first things I thought was a card game because it's turn-based, so it works very well with the atomicity of blockchain transactions and it needs privacy inherently because you don't want other people to see your hand.
the easiest thing to sort of test on secret network. So it was a matter of, it was definitely a matter of circumstance, but as people will see, there's definitely an influence of my past where I've made it a very retro-looking game, and that's definitely because, you know,
of earlier days when I was into sort of making retro looking games. Yeah and just for people who haven't checked it out, it's almost like Minecraft kind of styling if you will. Yeah or Doom, people might also remember the game of Doom. I like it personally, I think
it's raw, it's also perhaps kind of the generation that played Doom, but yeah, for anyone who hasn't checked it out, that's sort of the vibe that you styling that you see when you check out. But beautiful, so okay, you mentioned something interesting here about the privacy elements, which was sort of
my tongue a question on my tongue here because there's been a lot of debacle or criticism of let's say online casinos or platforms that offered online gaming where there was sort of money involved where basically the platform was rigging the game to some advantage
either the platform itself or they were like founders of the platform that you know personally gained when they played themselves like there's been all these different stories online casinos and all that stuff so it's that sort of the main motivation for building a secret network talked about basically about the motivation behind building a secret network
Yeah, actually that was that was an initial concern of mine when I was Making it from a proof of concept onto a a game that people can actually play for fun for themselves and Initially it was just going to be a game that
But you don't really play for cash prizes or you just play for fun. But I got a lot of encouragement from the community that no, it would actually be quite fun to implement it. And one of the things I initially struggled with was how can I prove, so I had to implement my
on pseudo random generator to do things like shuffle the cards. And I was thinking later on, how am I going to be able to prove that my pseudo random generator is fair? That it's pseudo random, but is the way that I'm generating the seeds?
Is it fairs of reliable and how can I prove that very luckily Secret network happened to be building on Chey randomness, which is verifiable and the irony is that when people are concerned about things like
How do you know that, how do you know that the game is fair, that when your older dice, it's not biased. You definitely have that issue when it's, when it's a centralized organization where you have to trust that organization that
whether you're going to one of those online gambling sites or whether you're going to an actual casino, you trust that the organization is fair, it's legitimate. With decentralized, with on-chain randomness, you can actually verify for yourself that
a generated seed is fair, it's actually random and it isn't compromised or isn't tampered with. And secret network has very, they've done this very good thing
where it's sort of like the stars aligned where they introduce verifiable on chain randomness where you can verify that it's random and they've done it in time just as where people like myself are building dApps that need randomness. So that really eliminates that
issue and that really sort of took off that concern for people like me who are building dApps, that how can I ensure the end users that they're using something that's fair and that isn't that you can see for yourself that it's fair.
makes sense. And I think in general that's a value proposition to to to to secret network, you know, it's it's it's private. You can't tamper with it. You can't do all this kind of tinkering in the background that we see, of course, with centralized platforms, but also sometimes in
in decentralized applications and networks where there's a few that holds voting power, decision power to still tinker on timber with the system. So yeah, I think that's a general big value proposition for SQL network.
But just staying on secret network for a second, they just recently announced privacy as a service, I think they called it pass or whatever we want to say. How does that affect you guys and your sort of plans ahead? Because I think the general
So the whole plan here for SQL Network is obviously to every single chain. They start with IPC chains that can adopt privacy as a service using SQL Network technology. But they want to go beyond that, obviously, with the EVM chains and all chains really out there. How does that affect you guys?
If at all, will it be a future where there's so many different chains having these privacy features where, for example, your games, Blackjack as the first one can be deployed on all these different chains? Does that change anything for you guys, basically, with this privacy as a service?
It doesn't exactly, it doesn't directly change anything for us who have built our, we've built our app natively on secret network and I mean, I suppose all it does is it means that other chains can do the same thing.
where they borrow secret networks privacy to implement something similar. So maybe it open stores for other chains that we can build on. Like I said earlier, we chose secret network because they had on-chain
and now that they offer it as a service to other chains, it's possible now to sort of build on other chains and if there's a good reason to do so, we now have that option to do so. But other than that, we're not entirely
We're not totally affected in any real way. But it's a great feature and maybe it encourages more people to consider using privacy or consider building a depth that needs privacy on a blockchain.
But yeah, if anything, it would invite more people to build on privacy. That to me is a good thing. Agreed. One hundred percent agreed. I mean, the world would be a better place, especially this world where legislators are getting, it seems almost hostile.
especially in the US. I'm sure people are following the news from the SEC and Coinbase and Binance and all that stuff. I mean, we need privacy. It's so clear to me that this is something that the world needs. It cannot go on like this. It's also one of the big promises of
blockchain, right? I mean, I know that everything is transparent and you can look up any wallet address and transaction, etc. But it doesn't mean that you should know who they are behind. Like, there still needs to be embedded privacy features into the blockchain. Otherwise, I think we failed as an industry.
Well, that's of course my opinion. I think you're right. I mean, the important thing is that we can tweak our privacy. We can expose the things that need to be exposed and we can still protect people's private information and protect who's spending and
when they're spending. Again, if there are some people who may need to know that information, you can selectively choose, it's not privacy and privacy will stop, but it's controlled privacy and that's very useful, not just for, you know, adapt developers, but
people who are actually using, people who actually want to use financing, you know, use it for finance and purposes and need privacy to conduct their business. It makes it more realistic currency to use for day-to-day stuff.
Exactly. But enough about the secret network. Let's talk about how you guys see yourself in the space that you're in. I guess. So the space that you're in, if you ask me, is around games online games and perhaps even like lottery games, casino games, or I can
And then the first project or app that immediately comes to mind in my head being part of the Cosmos Club is obviously gelato. And I'm sure you are aware about the, I think they initially were built, they were born out of Juneau.
But now I mean they're IPC enabled and moving across all kinds of chains that are IPC enabled. So they are consciously building quote unquote an online casino. And that's you know they have all these different lottery games and NFTs and they do all kinds of stuff.
stuff. Basically, so do you guys compare yourself like when I said you guys it's ARs, not just the Blackjack game, but AR as an organization or as a group. Do you compare yourself to something like gelato or how do you see yourself basically in the space?
Yeah, so as AAR to we we definitely see ourselves as we like to remain ambiguous. So we made we made this game for people to enjoy because we think that people should be allowed to play either whether it's
for fun or whether it's with friends or you want to play publicly and you want to play for prizes, you should be able to do so but you should be able to do so in a way that's safe so you're not sharing any private information, you're not
creating an account or you don't have to do any sort of KYC and that's why we thought it would be fun to implement something on a blockchain like Blackjack and we purely made it for that purpose for
But you know, it's as a service. So we at ART, we don't really want to be associated to just one thing. We definitely want to, you know, make other things, other depths in future. And that may not just be outside of gaming.
or it may not just be game but it may be outside of it. When it comes to Blackjack we see this as a one off thing. Maybe in future we may make some other card games. They might even be lost as
Sorry, not lottery, but casino games. And that would again be for the purpose of, you know, people should be able to play for fun. And it should be, it should be secure and it should be safe. And I guess the, we, I guess what gelato have done.
is they've sort of created a, I guess, a sort of digital casino for themselves. And exactly. Yeah, that's not what we want to do, not in the AART's capacity, but neither in the Blackjack capacity because
We just want this to be a one-off that people can enjoy and if we wanted to make a second game, for example, like Marjorne, that would be like another one off. We wouldn't want it to be like a suite of games that are associated with A-Art.
Make sense, make sense. Yeah, and that's also why I asked the question because people obviously immediately when they see Blackjack as the first game, they think about casinos, they think about yeah, all that kind of stuff. So that's why I raised the question, is it a art doing sort of a gelato play or is it something different?
It seems like it's something different that you guys are focused on. Yeah, something something different. Makes sense makes sense. Super so perhaps I can see also people are sort of pinging us to ask about the the background of a art. I think a few people know
about us as a group we heard about your story of course and a little bit about I think most people have tried to play Blackjack so they they understand what you what you're doing there but talk about AR like what kind of group are you and yeah how did you guys
How are you guys set up basically and what's your approach to things and your focus basically? Yeah, so as a group, we really just started out, like we all knew each other at university and friends and friends from uni days and we thought
So it would be quite nice to sort of keep it going even as we go into different industries to sort of keep a keep tab of like what's what's interesting and what's emerging and what's coming up. So we we we formed a sort of
I suppose an informal group, so we're not by any means an organization or like a registered company. We're a bunch of motivated sort of researchers. So without trying to like docks some other members, we've got people whose background is
marketing, you know, they worked with the universities and their recruitment team. They sort of helped me out with, you know, they helped me out at the moment with a bit of outreach because there are some universities that are sort of looking into blockchain tech that might be interested in this sort of thing. We've got another person who's background is finance and, you know, they were like a strategy. So
here at BlackRock. We've got other physicists as well, some from my course, others from like biophysics. We've got some people who were research scientists at NPL. We've got people who have backgrounds in mechatronics
engineering and embedded systems. So we really are just like a group of different people who come together and share sort of our research and what's interesting. And in my case, I was looking at the time into into blockchain and I was really interested in
in the the the the trilemmar, you know, that thing of scaling security and privacy and what came up initially. I mean, I was already quite aware of the cosmos ecosystem, but what came up initially was was a secret network. So I really delved into that.
and eventually I wanted to try something for myself. So the project Blackjack and ART are connected in that way and that's a little bit more about who ART are. Nice. What do you think really caught your attention around Secret Network and along back-willing a bit to Secret Network part?
I think it's interesting. I remember the first time I heard about SQL Network was that it was Ethereum, but with privacy embedded. That was just super appealing to me. I was hooked from the get go for this, but what was your sort of Eureka moment, if you will, when you first heard about the SQL Network?
So when I first tried, I think it was years ago when I first tried my first, when I made my first smart contract and with an ethereum based smart contract and I remember learning solidity and it's a lot like, it's a lot like Java
script, isn't it? And I had some difficulties not just with, I mean, not just with like building smart contracts that are quite low level with Ethereum, but also had difficulties as you would also know with, with actually testing these
these smart contracts that I made because the gas is so high and you spend so much time trying to optimize to make the gas low and there's just going to make it realistic for someone to actually use. So I was already looking
for another platform where I could build smart contracts. That's actually how I got into, it's a little bit how I got into Cosmos. I got into Cosmos as well because I was interested in a cash. I thought it was a really interesting project. I still do and apparently served as the market right now.
I got into secret network because it was using Rust and I just outside of smart contracts and blogshade I was really interested in learning Rust anyway. I come from C++ and Rust was supposed to be C++
but nicer. So I was definitely interested. And I was happy that a lot of layer ones on Cosmos were using Rust and secret networks did out again for the same reasons because it offered privacy. So it was
It was all of the other things on the Cosmos ecosystem, but with a privacy layer. And I really wanted to sort of try that out for myself. And that's what's also got me interested in the Secret Network. But what really got me hooked was,
So what was really good about the Secret Network was that as a newcomer of smart contracts on Cosmos and a little bit in general, I found the Deaf community, they were quite responsive to my questions on Discord and they gave good guidance and they really good at maintaining their documentation.
quite regularly as there are data here. And so it made it much easier as a outsider to sort of learn the ecosystem and learn the SDK. And you know, they helped me get into contact with some people.
I got into contact with people at the Secret Agency and when I decided to switch from a small proof of concept to something that people can actually try out for themselves, they helped to spread engagement and they even helped
me to set up our Friday game lights. So that's sort of what sold it for me. They're like, okay, this is a good community that I can easily integrate into and actually build stuff from scratch. I've only tried secret networks, so that's not
the other cosmos ecosystems aren't just as good. I think I struck out, you know, I got lucky when I joined the Secret Network and maybe it was a good time, but it's been a really good relationship so far and that's sort of why I've stuck
to that community and continuing to use their SDK. Awesome man, it's very reassuring for someone who loves secret network and is also invested in the secret token and it's definitely converted, it's very reassuring to hear
here when there's a newcomer and someone who's just interested in building something on secret network that they are welcomed with open arms. My experience is the same. The documentation is updated very, very fast. Every time there's an update, you know, they are super helpful in general to the community and you're not
the first that says the same thing. This is my own experience. I've used it and multiple people that I've spoken to here at the CLAB, Cosmos Club, they say the same thing. So I think it's a general thing that we can say, we can conclude about secret network there, super responsive and very developed, but friendly. That's for sure.
Talk to us about the roadmap. What's on the horizon? People always get interested in hearing what's next for AR. I think Blackjack is going to be the game that's going to run. Stay the same. It's a game that's pretty defined worldwide.
limits to how much you can change, but talk to us about what's on the horizon with the AART. Well, we do actually have a couple changes for Blackjack as well. So I'll talk a bit about both because we do have a, I guess, like a long term roadmap for AART and a short-term
for Blackjack. So as you know, so as I've already said, so far we've had like really good engagement and a small but growing community who are frequently helping us to test that app and they're joining our weekly tournaments and they give us helpful feedback every time. That's
Blackjack. So we're still testing and finalizing core features and we're still playing around with ideas for new features. Like for instance we recently added a chat feature in game so that now you can chat with other players and one of the major
issues we also we also have been addressing is so we use Kepler to interact with our app but using Kepler in the actual game means every time you want to play your turn you have to
You have to approve which can get a bit, it's not as ergonomic as you can imagine and it's not ideal. So we've been looking at ways to sort of go around that and we're testing a method of using a FIGRANT where you have a
sort of alias account that you allow to use fees on your capital account so you don't actually have to approve capital every time but you don't have to worry about it sending your funds or doing anything. I mean it wouldn't do that but you don't have to worry about that and that's nice because it's
only allowed to do these few transactions with very small fees and it can only do a certain amount of transactions. So we're looking at implementing that and so we're responding to that and additionally on-camera
going feedback and our hope is that from June to July we're going to be doing a bit more, we want to do a bit more beta testing so that means more game lights and just to iron out the kinks and the final big feature that we
want to try is implementing NFTs, which you can win from our tournaments. And they may come with perks such as exclusive tarot card designs and theme packs that they unlock. So we really want to look at that because we think that would be a fun feature to add to our tournaments.
And we really want from June to July to get more people engaging to sort of spread the awareness to the cosmos community and beyond. And especially we want people to try out the other game options that we have.
So that's the single player mode and the private mode as well where you can reserve a match and invite your friends. You want to sort of see more, we want to try and get more people engaging with the different options that we've made and hopefully
By end of August we hope to have completed a code audit and we're looking at seeking funding for that. And then with all of this in mind we should be on track to be to go to mainnet by late September. So that's what our roadmap looks like for Blackjack. And I suppose our
roadmap for AART is sort of like a, you know, a sort of look into the future where all things gone well. We plan to make more, more games and dApps. Again, like I mentioned before, we don't just want to make card games or games that are sort of casino adjacent because
Blackjack isn't necessarily a casino game, but we've implemented so that you can play to win prizes. And we definitely want to, as AART, make more dApps, once we've sort of built a reputation within the Cosmos community.
Awesome man. A lot of things to be excited about and a lot of things to look forward to. It's great to hear. And I guess something that I normally like to ask and this is no exception is
We tend to get a bit caught up in how fast the crypto moves and cost was in particular. I feel sometimes when we think in terms of weeks or a few months and a very short term really.
What I like to force people to do sometimes in these spaces is to imagine yourself sitting on a front porch or yard or wherever you are comfortable sitting, 10 years, 15 years, maybe 20 years from now.
Looking back at what ARs has been building and sort of what you set out to do, what would make you proud? What would make you look back 10, 15 years from now and say, wow, this is exactly what we set out to do. And I can't believe we actually executed on it.
Yeah, that's a big question. I guess we want to be able to look back and say we helped to make using DAPS a bit more mainstream. Whether it's
We made the first card game on Cosmos or on Secret Network, or we then made other things like maybe we built some other interesting apps which used to be mainstream on Web2.
but we've built it in such a way that it has benefits that people can see and have made it worthwhile switching from Web 2 onto Web 3. And I hope that's what we're hoping to do with Blackjack, for instance. We talked earlier about the benefits of, you know,
using Web 3 on chain randomness where you don't have to just trust the organization as being fair where you can verify. And we hope to make that more mainstream for other dApps and maybe we've built some more
other depths or maybe we've encouraged people or shown by example by this proof of concept that it can be done and the benefits are real and that can hopefully encourage it to become a bit more mainstream. So hopefully not in 10 years but
But less, we hope, for example, to be a bigger player in the Cosmos community. We definitely want to be more involved, not just making daps, but we hope to sort of get, if it all goes well, then we hope to become a
data on the secret network and perhaps other layer ones on the Cosmos blockchain, Cosmos ecosystem. And we chose secret network this time because our data needed privacy, but we hope to
build more depth and make use of other layer ones special use cases. And yeah, we hope at least within a couple years down the line to be doing that. And then 10, 15 years we hope to
to be a name that people, it would be nice wouldn't it? I mean everyone wants to be a name that is established and we've grown for ourselves a reputation of making fun or reliable or useful Web 3 Daps.
Awesome. And obviously being a part of the Cosmos Club here, where a lot of our listeners are Cosmos, affectionados, or super passionate community members. So how do you see Cosmos making that sort of dream come true? Will this be sort of juicy?
see, for example, customers growing beyond IPC chains or existing chains that say big chains like Ethereum, Avalanche, I don't know, pick your poison really, will adopt IPC or how do you see customers basically make sure that Dream becomes reality at some point?
I think what makes Cosmos unique is the strong sense of community between the layer ones. For example, a cache is a totally different
service that they offer, but you see other communities sort of, you know, picking each other up, you know, for example, as most as users are cash to, you know, it's
is running on a cache and ourselves we're running our web app on a cache and what makes our community the cause musk good is that they actually are you know each person is each
other's customer and so each person sort of validates, no pun intended, the use case of each other. So I think
That sense of community is what primarily drives people to sort of join, because there's a sense of, okay, I'm going to get support from other groups. Cosmos is already known as the Internet of Blockchains.
And that's not just because it has a wide, it has a large base of different layer ones that offer different things, but because they all sort of integrate well with each other.
And I think that's what is going to I think as soon as people from outside realize that and they realize how far ahead we are in doing that. They'll see that Cosmos is sort of like a it's like a it's like a Tinder box that's ready to
ready to go off. Sorry, that's if that's like a weird way of putting it, but it's I think it has a lot of potential is I guess what I'm trying to say. Ready to explode in a good way. Explode in a good way, exactly. From outside, see what's going on.
inside in the way that people collaborate with each other that actually, they actually help each other grow that they'll see that it's a strong community, I don't want to say products, but it's a strong internet of blockchains.
The customer is expanding and the future seems very bright in here. So awesome, man. Great to have you on. Great to see you here at the Cosmos Club. I am sure this is not the last time that we hear from
AART and Blackjack and many other things to come as we spoke about on your roadmap. Is there anything you want to leave the community with today or is there anything you want to ask the community to do? Either people listening now or really listening on Spotify and all the other platforms where we upload these spaces. What can we do as a community?
Yeah, I mean all I can ask you to do is to try out our web app. We make it as easy as possible even for beginners, not just people who are familiar with Cosmos and how to interact with DApps.
But yeah, check out our website, you know, go through our Wiki, try out the single player game, maybe ask a friend to sort of play a multiplayer game with you, you know, get get another friend or get another three friends, play a four player game and try out for
yourself is available for anyone anywhere to try. And if you like it, great, you know, join our Friday games nights. If there's something you don't like about even gracer, you know, we love feedback and we like building things that people
people actually enjoy using. And you know, you can you can reach us on our discord that will also be available via our website. And you can get in touch with us. You can help us by
beta testing you can help us by sending feedback complaints we don't mind we're open but yeah thank you to everyone who has already been helping us with with our beta testing and yeah hopefully by late September we'll go
made net all things going well and we hope to make more more similar games and depths that will be fun and useful for the community. Awesome man. Thank you so much for coming on and looking forward to see your continued progress.
Thank you for having me. Take care man. Ciao.