Hello everyone and welcome to the club. I can see TJ is with us from Piccana.
It's a my side this morning.
Yes, good morning. I'm here also sitting here in Copenhagen. I don't know where you are based, but you must be close somewhat close at least if it's morning for you. Yes, we are based in the Netherlands. So I think it's the same time zone, isn't it?
Yeah, depending on summer and winter, but usually it's the same time soon as the new are you in Amsterdam then because I mean coming from Pekana that will make a ton of sense. Now we're based near Ainthover, so it's a bit more south. I see, I see. It's all about the delay.
by the way, that's on me, I got caught up in traffic this morning, but all good, all good. So I was weathering in Netherlands right now, Copenhagen is beautiful and sunny and still I managed to get catch a cold. I don't know how that happened, but if my voice is very deep it's because I haven't
bit of a cold. It doesn't sound too bad. Now it's kind of hot down here. It's nearing a 30 degrees, but also the humidity is quite high, but luckily there's a bit of wind, so if you are a bit in the shadow and you have to wind, it's doable.
It's anyone else TJ before I do the regular intro is there anyone else I need to invite a speaker otherwise I'll the will dive right now under lucky guy today The one and only one and only all right
Awesome man. Well, welcome everyone to the Cosmos Club, where we talk all things Cosmos. We tweet daily about what's going on and then we invite interesting, fascinating, hardworking builders of the Cosmos ecosystem to spaces like these. And today we have you, TJ from Vidcana. Welcome to the Club, man. Thank you. Thanks for having us.
I think there's definitely a lot of interest in your product in Vicana. You guys have been around also quite some time, so I think we're curious to hear what's happening over there. But before we dive straight into Vicana, I always like to start out
a little more personal background on you. People come from all walks of life in crypto, but in Cosmos in particular I feel. So curious to hear how you ended up working with them for Pidkana. The story began just before the end of the bull run of two
2017 to 2018. I got into touch with crypto, fire friends. And of course, as a lot of people did, both my first crypto practically on slash near the top of Bts here going to 20k.
Of course, being the EF as you are, you hold your crypto going down all the way into the bear market, although a very, very good experience to have at notice once at least.
just for four years experiencing what it is to go down but also to go up afterwards again. The whole roller coaster of the famous Bart season we saw in 2019-2020 and also came with a touch with Bitkana along the way.
way who were building by that time on more like ancient technology by the Daxian BTC. So that's where my first experience with proof of stake and running surfers because in daily life I wasn't
not too much into running Linux server and that kind of stuff. I was more like a Microsoft user. And they triggered my interest by the fact that they wanted to really break the walls down. We see in the cannabis industry today.
And that got me triggered so I joined the chat participated in the test nets, tried to help out where I could. And over time when the team was slowly growing, the need for project manager emerged and I did a solicitation
And I was the lucky guy to go tired. So that was in April last year, 2022. And from that point onwards, we've now been working hard on getting our daughter on the horizon very sharp to make it also more like an
an agile approach to do every step one at a time. One focus point, finish something, go to the next and make our dream reality. And that's where we are right now.
Awesome. You mentioned something interesting. I feel that you guys built on ancient technology prior to Cosmos. Yeah. You talked to us about that and also obviously being the Cosmos Club. What was the deciding factor for building on Cosmos? Yeah.
We started on the technology which was behind the combination of dash and pitch coin. It was okay for that moment, but it was also relatively slow. BitKana had built a Pay-Em plug-in for two of the biggest companies in
In the industry went live, we had a mobile app, we had a light wallet where people could stake their coins, we had four wallets, master notes, everything, the whole package. But during the period where those
features were developed. It was also noticed that development itself was quite hindered by the age of the coding behind that technology. So that's when also the search began to find a more newer and more modern
coding language in the back. By the time we had also some really passionate people and community, we were also experienced in finding out what kind of technology would fit us. One of the guys who was really passionate is
also hired, that's our blockchain dev rule, which we really like to have around and he got into the company as well. And together we decided to go to the Cosmos technology because you have the luxury of a central technology, via the SDK
but also the luxury of having your own chain where you can decide for yourself what you're going to do. So it brings a bit of both worlds together where you can really tailor your product where you want to go, but you still have that advantage of that you develop together as an ecosystem.
And until the day of today, we do not regret any bits that we made it move.
I don't think you will find many people in here either that will disagree with the choice moving to Cosmos. But yeah, I think you've sort of circled around it a bit so let's open up that box of what Pidkana is.
I mean, on the surface, I think the mission resonates with a lot of people, especially in crypto, but talk to us about what Piccadais and what you tried to accomplish. BitKana has been found in 2017-2018 when we started. We were also found by
some of the biggest companies in the industry. So instead of starting with an idea and having to find your customers, we had to luxe to start with our main customers on board.
We practically had the assignment to solve some of the issues which are still in cannabis industry of today. So as you probably know, and a lot of people know at least when they are somewhere familiar with cannabis industry,
It is still not legal everywhere around the world. Companies are very difficult to get a bank account which for a normal company would be quite convenient to run your business.
a lot of uncertainty on how the supply chains look like and if you're able to buy a product, but the quality is there's still a lot of stuff also around identification of end customers who have to prove that they are 18 plus before they can buy. Growing is still
illegal slash in a gray area in a lot of places around the world. So that's something which was our assignment to find out can we develop tools which can solve some
of those issues. So that's where also where we started. And of course, payment solution as a crypto is one of the first things people think of. So that's also where we started.
So that's something we already have. We have a payment plug-in. You can pay with BitKana at various web shops. On our roadmap, we also have things like the trail solution, which I already saw passing by in one of the questions on Twitter.
for our supply chain identification of people and companies to show their legit. We want to bring also transparency and reviews that we know a review as legit from some of the purchase of products, all kind of things which are in
involved in running a normal business, we aim to provide solution for where possible and needed supported by blockchain technology, but we are also that realistic that in some cases a normal traditional database would probably be more convenient and cheaper
and easy to run, then using trying to force blockchain and everything we can. - Makes sense. I think you also referred to the community questions, but I think a lot of people,
Perhaps it's an unfair comparison, I think it is an unfair comparison, but a lot of people when they think about crypto and something like cannabis they immediately think about the Silk Road and Bitcoin. The narrative of the story there is just very powerful, but it is
As I mentioned, an unfair comparison. It was over a while west back then and you guys are trying to do it the right way basically. But perhaps you can speak to the difference between like how far Vidkanah has come for
example between what you have and how to say grow the Bitcoin used to be then when it blew up with those two. Yeah, the main difference we have compared to some, yeah.
The big players like meeting the Pascal throat in Bitcoin is that the Wild West is slowly getting to an end. You see that by the fact that the SEC is now suing Coinbase and Binance, which are quite behemoth in our market.
You won't find anyone in the crypto space who doesn't know Coinbase or Binance by name at least or has used it in the past. So there's quite a change in the difference we have compared to
The shared past in terms of sale, cloud and Bitcoin is that we have a very intensive contact with a legal team. So we make sure that everything we developed and produce also meets legislation
to as far as we can get. And of course, that's not an easy path. It needs an easy process because there is so much legislation around the world where the difference is made between countries where there's a slight nuance in how a
is built that it's difficult to meet all of them, but at least we try to stay within the boundaries that we also can serve our end customers and the business without putting them into the legal difficulties they can experience by any other crypto.
because one thing which we found out in the last few months when we re-intensified the legal contact is that at least 95% or above of the crypto if you would pass it through for example GDPR it would not meet any of the
requirements from the privacy legislation would you would find. So that's really somewhere somewhere where we are making sure we meet those legislation as well so that people using it can also make sure that any action they do using the
We will not result in any legal fight in the end where they will be at the disadvantage of this. And I think that's one of the biggest differences we have besides the fact that we are founded by industry itself, where we're going to need some support in solving some of the biggest issues.
And it must be a huge challenge. I'll start to blend in community questions early to get these some of them answered on this space because a lot of the questions evolve around legal issues. And I can just, I'm not an expert here at all, but I can see
a sort of plethora of legal challenges. Let's call it that, you know, there are different countries with different legislation, a lot of the process around the buying and selling of cannabis is sometimes very tedious but also borderline
in gray area, within the legal framework of many countries. How do you guys, as a platform, as a protocol, how do you address all this? It must be a big big endeavor and a big big challenge. I can only imagine. So, speak to us about the legal issues, really.
So we've spent a lot of hours on trying to understand the legal implications of any product we can deliver. So while some occasions, yeah, development might seem a bit slow. It's also because there's just a
lot of our going into the legal side of things which are undervalued at this point in the crypto space. But if you take for example the privacy legislation, GDPR, having a blockchain itself is already illegal in the current form of the GDPR.
because you put privacy information like a balance, like an account name, out in the open, which in essence is can be seen as personal information. So there's the struggle to make sure that we fragment information enough.
to still meet the GDPR legislation that it's more like transactional data instead of personal information, which comes with totally different guidelines in terms of legislation.
And then the difficulty becomes that for example in Canada, the GDPR is more strict than for example in Europe. Europe is OK, but Canada is even more strict. So that's something we take
to account as well that you have different versions of legislation around the globe to make sure that we do not only meet the European legislation but also the global legislation which we know which can be more strict.
How about identification? You mentioned GDPR of course, but you want to KYC myself in order to trade or buy and sell. How do you guys operate within these? Because I think all these questions are extremely hard right now also as you mentioned the SEC is to encroach
and finance and there just seems to be almost like a war not a war in crypto I wouldn't say but a war on centralized players dealing with crypto. So yeah obviously KYC you know no your customer information and all that that almost seems today as an attack
for legislators like the SEC in the US. Yeah, yeah. Talk to us about KYC, personal information, all that. Yeah, using our tools as Bitcoin itself is KYC free. So as long as you have Bitcoin or want to use our plugin as a shop owner, you can
do it without passing any KYC. So it's really, really privacy free. Let's put it that way to use our module. So the difficulty of course is when you need to convert to Wartbit kind of. So you still to get your hands on some BCNA, you still need
need to pass through either centralized exchange or broker, which are of course K by C required. So that's something which is in our mind as well to find out how can we make onboarding bitcana uses to bitcana
are more easily, more accessible, and while still preserving the privacy aspect. And for some reason, of course, it's not completely possible because in the current legislation, it is prescribed that you need to pass KWC to be able to buy crypto in general.
So completely anonymous route, I don't see that happening in the near future.
But we at least make sure that when you are in the crypto environment already, you can use it without doing the KVC stuff further up.
Yeah, because I could go on osmosis today. Let's say I obtained Adam or whatever I've been seen able to talk in Anonymously. I gave someone a hundred dollars and they sent it to my Kemper wallet. I could go on osmosis today and swap let's say Adam to
PCLA and in that way the anonymous buying cannabis for example I guess that's that's doable right but as you say if you want to do it sort of in a scalable way because it's not so scalable for me to go and buy a hundred dollars
So the scalable way is to do it the sort of KYC way where I go on an exchange and buy PC and A. That's your point. Is that correct? Yeah, correct. And looking at the the the my car legislation for example, which passed now
in Europe, I don't see that changing in the near future. I realistically speaking, we will look towards the future where I think crypto will still play a role, but it will at least on an off-ramp, to work crypto will somehow be K by C relevant.
And of course, and then it's an our best interest to make sure a user doesn't need to go to a broker get at them, IBC to osmosis swap and IBC to our chain. But to be able to convert from his his or her credit card directly to be seen because that's of course for the user.
experience would be quite an improvement. How do you address the challenge of different legislation in different countries? This is, I guess, a broader question for anyone who has to have different
in different countries, but when it comes to cannabis, everything in the country has sometimes very strong, sometimes that's a legislation around this. So how do you get around that without getting your head in the legal grinder like Coinbase? We have one of the
that we do not sell products ourselves. So we are more like a catalyst. Let's put that way to enable end consumers, so people who want to grow cannabis or use cannabis and the business. So we have a lot of people who want to grow cannabis and use cannabis.
So that makes at least the legal attack factor to put it in brackets. A little bit smaller for us and it allows us also focus on the crypto surface we have. And there we make sure that
that together with our legal advice, we know where the legislation is most strict on a certain field and we try to meet that most strict legislation. So that if you meet that also the more relaxed legislation of course you will pass.
So for certain legislation, we will look to to country A for other legislation. We will try to meet the the strict guidelines of the country B and to stay within the strictest set of guidelines we can find.
to make sure we meet guidelines all over the world.
And while cannabis is obviously a very big industry already and it's growing, you probably know the numbers much better than I do, but it's growing quite fast in many markets. The color is not only, quote unquote, only, it's not only focused on
on cannabis. You actually are addressing inside e-commerce markets. The Web 3 way, if you will, you have this service paid plugin for e-commerce and price-assure. So talk to us about those efforts and perhaps even some of the
people and the stores that have adopted this plugin. Obviously Cosmos Merch Store is a, we are a fan of those, we actually partnered up with them, just spread the word and make it easy for people to get their Cosmos Merch fix. So yeah, talk to us about the plugin, talk to us about going beyond cannabis.
Yeah, to put it in perspective, our focus from Bekana was and will be on the cannabis market simply because from my personal experience I've seen too often that if you make your scope too broad, you don't
get anywhere. So we really set internally the cannabis market is where we have our roots, we have our partners, we have our network. So that will be the focus area for us to deliver our products. But as soon as we find areas where with a minor investment of time and effort, we can still deliver very
you to a broader environment in the ecosystem, we will do it. So during the development of our payment plug-in based on the Cosmos ecosystem, on our Cosmos chain, our front-end developer, Atmone, also found out he could quite easily
alter the plugin in such a way that it could accommodate paying with other cryptocurrencies in the Cosmos ecosystem as well without very big changes to the plugin itself. So that's where we set
We are also thankful and grateful that we are part of the Cosmos ecosystem because we also benefit from it. Let's pay back to the ecosystem to open up our
plug into other cosmos based coins as well. So that's where we started the development to alter our plugin in such a way that we can support other
Cosmos-based crypto in our plugin and that the shop owner can decide himself which ones he wants to accept and the end customer can choose between the options the shop owner offers. So right now we
support of course, Pitkanna, which is kind of no brainer, as well as Atom, Juno, Stars and Osmo, and a shop owner can choose which of these five, either all five or one of the five of anything in between. He or she wants to accept in the back end of his plugin.
And that's also over then to the consumers on the front end. And they can decide in which currency they want to pay. And there we use CoinHacko for price determination from their API, except for BitKana where we said we would
really like to have the price determination or own hand. So we developed our own Oracle called the BCNA Oracle to make the fitting name, which takes price from multiple sources and makes sure that the really accurate price is also always available for the shop owner to show to the end customer.
Just a second see also people are asking about price or goals and rising particular of the PCNA. You just talked to us about where's the PCNA is listed and perhaps not as you mentioned.
How you went about building your own price. As you said, just now. We have been listed on some central exchange in the past. We've been listed on Goindium, which has now closed. We've been listed on Hopbit, but that was quite of an
liquid market and also close if I'm correct. So if people really want to get their hands on on Pettana as a coin, osmos at this point in time the place to go, we of course are looking
for other markets as well. But we are also realistic that at this point in time, we also have a priority to bring some products to the market to make the interest in Bethana as big as we can get it to get on really good exchange.
because there are a lot of centralized exchange out here which is kind of dead zones. Let's put it bluntly. So you can get listed, then you have a listing, but it doesn't bring you anything. So we are really wanting to focus on
proper exchange so that if we take the move to be listed on another exchange that it's a good exchange where people at least have a positive experience instead of having another illiquid market around. So at this point in time our main data is coming from those Moses.
but who knows what the future will bring.
make sense. I think in general what we see today is that more and more activity, more and more tokens moving to Dexas. The legal clarity is so uncertain within exchange activity, trading tokens. So what was
start seeing and I think this is the beginning with the SEC and we're making us a few as we talked about. This is just the beginning of moving more volume, more more activity on decentralized exchanges and EFI in general, not just for exchanges. Talk to us perhaps another we talked about, talk to
The license, talk about the BCNA token, what's the utility, why should people pay attention basically? Yeah, Bitcoin as a token is offering of course the same functionality as the majority of cost-based tokens so you can do the standard default
actions you want for it to stake them, get rewards or put them into a liquidity pool and get rewards. On top of that we have the luxury that of course you can buy products with Pizzcana, I be it merch or even products like seeds and equipment.
equipment, bongs, whatever, in some of the web shops in the cannabis industry. So that's at least for the added value we have as a coin right now. And with the mobile app we are developing, we will also come target
the physical market, so the physical stores, not only the e-commerce as we have right now but also the more brick and mortar shops as you know from the shop around the corner and they will of course also play a role when we
bring more features like the Bitcoin or trade or the supply distribution, the identification. We can also think about having advantages that if you pay with Bitcoin on our blockchain, at a shop, you can
also prove that the review has been written by someone who has really done a purchase. So there will be some added utilities we can find at least in doing the more traditional blockchain based
as far as the Geofivevene crypto. But as soon as we find or come up with really innovative features to use a coin in a different way, we will of course explore them, keeping in mind that
For example, treating it more like a stock where you can also get a share of the revenue of a company is quite a difficult area to go to because then of course you are automatically a security. So also there the legal aspect of
what you can offer as a coin is kind of determine how the legislative landscape is going to look like in the near future.
And I think this is a good place to ask something that's asking themselves, I think in general, not just with Picana and the PC and A2.
there's a new crypto project, all the Bitcookers will come after you and say why not just use Bitcook? Bigler has an interesting take here because
because of the story with Silver Road and Bitcoin, etc. So yeah, just to answer one of the community questions, actually most people have asked this question in the community. One is Bitcoin.
Of course you can use Bitcoin and we've seen companies in the markets not only in cannabis but in commodity markets in general that they accept Bitcoin. We also see a lot of companies who revert
on that point, that it's top accepting Bitcoin. Bitcoin will be more tailored to the cannabis market. So as I said before, we have the luxury of having our own chain. So if there are
things we can do to accommodate the cannabis market we can do that using our own chain and we can fuel those services with bitcana as a coin. We are needed of course.
you can do all kinds of community things also around having BitKona as a central coin. So the main advantage having BitKona as a coin instead of BitKona as a coin is the flexibility of
for next two of course that we are cheaper in terms of because we are faster and in a lot of cases especially when we have the mobile app probably also a lot easier to use.
Yeah, I think so too. And I mean, Bitcoin is a mob listing and a mob list creation, but it's not built for scale. So there are efforts to do that, but it's slow, it's expensive, it's never gonna.
It's never going to have a billion users using the L1 and native Bitcoin blockchain. That's for sure. I don't think it's also a bad thing because also nowadays people don't use gold.
to go to a store and buy something. So it's also a different use case and our use case is really to accommodate driving a healthy cannabis industry.
Definitely. Let's talk about what's on the horizon, the road map ahead. People always get excited about that. And I can see a lot of people has asked about the road map also, but I'll leave it open for you to talk about what can we look forward to with the big column.
We have a lot of wild thoughts of course of course of probably every small company has. We already mentioned in the past that in the future we want to explore a game but it hasn't hit the tangible face of the roadmap yet. Of course the trails on there the identification
But they are not time marked yet. As said, we really like to take an agile approach. So have one top priority to develop at a time to be able to focus as well. So at this point in time, we are working on.
Finalizing our new web wallet and a migration of the Cosmos SDK. Expect more news on that in the coming few weeks. So that's really around the corner. Next up is the mobile app, which really should also lower the barrier for people to be able to
able to interact with BitKana as a small ecosystem. And we are really exploring also the opportunity to have people get their hands on BitKana way more easy than it is right now. And we
We hinted on that in a couple of our monthly dev updates already. We are also working on a secret project which we cannot unveil at this point in time because there is a little bit of stuff to arrange before we can go out in the
open, but it's really involved around our dream to become decaler app within the cannabis industry as to go to place if you need anything in the cannabis industry. So we also said that
We wanted to get to a point where if you need anything in the chemistry industry being information or product or whatever that you go to our little ecosystem and find it and we are now
working on setting the basis for that. So I expect in the coming few months to make a more elaborate introduction of what we are exactly doing and what we are targeting. But it's a little bit too early for that. But it's really got us excited on the near future.
Beautiful, man. Beautiful.
So we like to think of crypto, we move so fast and when we talk about roadmap, we normally think like weeks and perhaps months from now. But I think it's healthy every now and then to go like, maybe on that.
5 years, 10 years, 15 years from now. So when you sit on your porch, wherever you're sitting, being comfortable, looking back at what you have accomplished with Big Kanna, and you think of yourself as, okay, this is exactly what we said
up to build, basically whichever complex, what would become a then look like five, 10, 15 years from now? Whatever year, it doesn't matter. It's just long term basically.
big in a long term, then Vidkana is really a mobile environment because that's also where the world is moving in right now. Maybe even augmented reality because that's also of course upcoming.
Where I said people wanted to do something with cannabis or cannabis related products can find their way around and it's more than only purchasing stuff, but also where the supply information, the reviews and everything are managed.
But even thinking beyond that where people are able to create their own communities, being open or private communities so that they can group together share information, have a good time, maybe even
plan a nice blow date. Let's put it that way where they come together and have a nice time. That would really be our dream to accommodate that we become the infrastructure within the cannabis world.
That would be really awesome if we would be the road where users and industry would travel along to run their business, find the products, do whatever they want. Right, I don't. You mentioned the video.
And there's a question also from the community there that I missed out on and that's a mobile kind of alluded to it already. You're working on I can see for example, Leonor is a sage is working on the iOS. What can people afford to do with the mobile version?
perhaps at the extension of that the VR version if you if you want. We don't have VR function yet, but it would be really cool to have. But but it will be at least the first version will be a more like mobile wallet version where
You can of course do the regular things with the wallet, stake, vote, send, whatever. But it will also be our gateway to the physical stores. So it will also be a method to be able to pay it.
companies. So it will also be involving a point of sale solution we can offer to the market. And looking slightly beyond that, of course, our secret project will play an important role in that as well, where the secret project and the mobile should meet.
And that's the least for the short term future. Long term future is more difficult to predict what comes first afterwards. But at least on the short term, it will be a while it's combined with functionality for my secret project.
Interesting interesting. So you're building a wallet solution essentially one of the features at least with the mobile version as I correct. Yeah, yeah, correct. And it's mainly the reason why we're building our own
mobile solution is of course because we want to offer features directly to our end users and of course you have awesome mobile wallets already on the market in the in the Cosmos ecosystem but we really don't want to have
the end user to use multiple apps to do different things. So we really would like to be able to target the end user with one app where they find different features to be used in the cannabis industry.
So being in the Cosmos Club, obviously we have to always refer back to the original Cosmos Tech and how Cosmos is perhaps even paramount to making, executing the success of
bitcanna in the short term of the roadmap but also in the long term as you said. How do you see customers continuously supporting success of bitcanna? The major advantage of
of being in a Cosmos ecosystem is that the underlying technology, so the SDK, IBC, relayers, that kind of stuff is managed externally, at least from our point of view. So it's managed by
The organizations behind the Cosmos are so that gives us that advantage to still benefit from a technology which is getting more modern and evolving while allowing our own
and devs to focus on developing the features of Pitkana. So that's one of the very big advantages we see in being part of the Cosmos ecosystem, which allows us to move forward on both fields at the same time.
sense. So I forget I like to ask you stay after neutral life or has got life on the bus stop. You mentioned the bus stop yourself also. If you had a chance to go back and then start out today, would you
go about creating your own app chain, or would you consider perhaps just straight up do a consumer chain instead, branding security from the console, which path would you take if you could do it on the mover?
haven't talked about internally yet. So you're going to get my personal opinion on this one. I personally would still go for our own personalized app chain. And mainly due to the recent that
We have a nice, diverse set of validators on our chain, which are not particularly big in the complete ecosystem. So there are more like small players, which have a chance to validate on the main chain.
But we also have some small players which are really passionate on contributing to our goal. So for example, we had a small testing session with the validates of our testnet recently of the new web-volots we are we developing and we gave them the opportunity to
get their hands on the new web wallet before it goes live on our main chain. And we had four test and validators who really found bugs and UX UI stuff which was not online with what was not correct
yet, but some of them also came up with really good ideas for new features for future enhancements of our web wallet. And I'm not so sure if you're going to get the same level of interaction being a consumer chain of the hub because it will be more transactional in terms of interaction.
So my my preference is really to have our own set of validates who also believe in us as project. We want to contribute and where you
can still create a bond together to go and make a success together instead of being just a rented
security ventilator. Yeah, I mean it's hard work to attract ventilators and I'm sure you can speak more to this, but it is also a very very good way of building a community, building up attention around what you want to achieve.
Yeah, so it's hard work, but it seems to be worth it. That's at least take that I get from most people that I talk to. Would you agree with that? Yeah, totally. It's simply put taking the easy road is in general not getting the best results.
That's stand for a bit and say amen to that. DJ, it's been a pleasure talking to you. Is there anything that you want to leave the community with? Is there anything that we can do as a community? Obviously we should all go follow VidConna on Twitter, etc.
But yeah, what can we do and what you want to leave the community with today? Yeah, I really would like to invite of course everyone to listen back if you did tune in on the on the call today, but I would also like to invite everyone to these follow us on the
Twitter and social platforms would also join in our Telegram group. Of course, as in many Telegram chats, the bear market is taking its toll in terms of inter-fect activity, but really come in half a chat. We have a very relaxed community and it's really very
relaxed because of course, donors are relaxed. So we are we have one good example. Have that join in follow us and join in on the journey we're going to make because I really think we at the current crypto
world we see right now. A lot of projects are just crypto to crypto projects and we are different in that perspective. We are not high-pish. Let's put it that way. But we really like to build a real use case for the real world where people in a daily life
can benefit from. And that makes quite a difference in terms of how we approach the market, but I think for the long run, it will pay out. So I would really like to invite everyone to join our followers.
This is the way. EJ, thank you so much for coming on today. I can also see either you or whoever on your official account site is answering a lot of the questions that has come in. We can't cover them all. Unfortunately,
on a space like this we only have about an hour. But yeah, feel free to go in there and see the answers that the Bekanla is providing. We will reach out to those that the questions that we blended in during this space. So no need to DM us. We will
But yeah, DJ, I'm sure this is not going to be the last time we hear from you. So thank you so much for coming on to the cloud today. Yeah, thanks for having us and indeed we will be working on the more elaborate communication strategy in the coming weeks.
And we will be doing a lot more AMAs in the future as well. So if we are allowed to come back.
Or always. Always. All right, CJ, looking forward to see you back at the club then. Yes. And just to add, if there are any questions, feel free to tag us, join our telegram, whatever. Just find us. We will answer any question someone has.
that be a recommendation and a suggestion for everyone out there who didn't feel like they were hurt. Thank you so much, TJ.
And all the best to you and be kind of will make sure to amplify all the stuff that you announce because this is definitely something that has real world use case and
is solving a problem, a real world problem. - Yeah, sure. We're gonna do it. - Bye guys, take care, ciao. - Hey, thanks.