Hello everyone and welcome to the club. We will be with you momentarily. We're just sorting out last technical details as usual here with Twitter, Twitter spaces. But yeah, just sit tight guys and we'll be getting started shortly.
All right, I can see Eric is with us officially. I just accept your request to speak Eric. I can see you on mute. Awesome. Hey, Eric, nice to meet you and welcome to the club. I appreciate it.
What an exciting time to be in crypto challenging but exciting and cost us of course. Always never never a dull day. Let's just give people a few moments to
to tune in before we dive straight in. Eric was holding you up these days, what's getting you out of bed every day besides injective.
DLR. Nice one. Nothing with the banking system, perhaps melting down or anything that keeps you awake at night.
Not particularly, it's kind of expected. We thought about different types of Tuesday scenarios and this is definitely not one of them, so it wasn't too bad for say. If anything, it's a banging crisis, right? So we might see
more and more people piling in to blockchain, crypto, etc. So now is our time to shine, perhaps. So yeah, but that's just a dive right in, I guess I can see people are starting to tune in. So welcome everyone to the Cosmos Club, where we talk all things Cosmos, which we daily about what
going on and then we invite interesting, fascinating, hardworking builders of the Cosmos ecosystem to spaces like these. And today we are honored to have you, Eric, from Injective here. Thank you so much for joining today. Yeah, really appreciate it. I normally start asking more
of a personal view if you don't mind a personal question on more about you Eric and how you got started with the obviously customers as a whole but injective in particular. So yeah, tell us a story about you and injective how you got started. Yeah, sure. I mean, injective started off as kind of like a
Basically, like a research type of direction, and essentially, you know, what we were working on was very exciting in the sense that back then, you know, central and older folks and any type of decentralized exchange had the potential issue, well, now it's very apparent.
running, and we were just looking for like a kind of like a theoretically sound robust solution for how do I put it like for for you know addressing these issues, especially within like central and order book context and making sure that you know everyone gets
It's a very, very fair price. It really started off as an application first approach, where we figured that utilizing a few novel cryptographic primitives and utilizing some of the interesting, I would say,
mechanisms, especially on the scaling aspect, it makes kind of the sort of infrastructure possible. But very soon we kind of realized there were like a lot of other whole host of issues to make basically like a fully on chain central and order book decentralized exchange possible. And you know,
One of the biggest issues is the usability of decentralized exchanges, especially from the context of algorithmic trader, etc. And we realize that there are a lot more fundamental limitations that scaling solutions, even for L2, if you want to do in a full decentralized way,
a really false short. So that's when we decided to go for the approach where we want to build the infrastructure, because if we're having this problem, imagine how many developers are having a similar issue. And one of the interesting points is that back then there were no such things as like D5 and we were very
excited about this kind of nascent industry in space. So we realize that the best way to do it is build the infrastructure for it, lead with a, you know, flagship application and bring more builders to congregate, uh, mind sharing value to it. Beautiful. And perhaps for the uninitiated, I'm sure most
people know about Injective. But can you just sort of quickly summarize what Injective is all about and yeah, what you guys are building over there? Yeah, sure. So So Injective is the blockchain for finance. It's a highly performant, scalable, interoperable, blockchain that
And so out of box, it has kind of like a exchange module where support is like a fully on chain and fair,
order book exchange and also derivative primitives where all the exchange applications can share the same type of liquidity and flow and really empower themselves via the fee that's generated from the users. And on top of that, empower all the participants and create this really strong network effect.
like one application he likes has already brought on more than $8 billion actually it's nine now, $9 billion in volume. And then on top of that there are a lot of very, very important modules such as Oracle modules such as Bridge Module to really solve the co-star problem for any type of kind of like off-demo
like off the theory or off generalize our one environment. So make sure that kind of ends up with application or building on top of injectives. Injective as the blockchain is really hidden away in the background where users are enforced to pay for gas fees using I and J users are
You know, you can sign and interact with them from that amount of long-lived and having such network. So basically, you know, it allows developers to build all applications that are now, you know, possible thanks to injective, which is insurmountable. But at the same time, you know, doesn't have to necessarily
really subscribed to all the modes around an L1 ecosystem. Beautiful. Beautiful. And yeah, I mean, the numbers are staggering really for anyone who hasn't been paying attention. I think you mentioned 9 billion in volume. It's just crazy.
You guys just seem to be everywhere that I look at least in not just in Cosmos but in crypto your ecosystem that you build around the protocol is just staggering really. And speaking of the ecosystem, first off, how did you pull that off? I know it's not just you of course, but
How did you and the team pull that off? Because I think it's very admirable and something that only other projects and protocols can be mobile ads and just stream about. So yeah, first off, how did you pull that off? And second, why is it paramount for injective and your mission to strike all these partnerships?
Yeah, I think, you know, again, it goes back to the developer experience and console problem. Like if you're just starting off within the ecosystem or any other like an element system, one of the things that we're most worried about is if I move off with Ethereum on mainchain, whether that be out to solution, whether that be like
responsibility, you probably miss out on, you know, whole host of issues, etc. And for us to target for Injective and, you know, all the other works that we do over at Injective Labs is to be able to, you know, go to them and say, "Hey, basically you don't have to worry much about it. You can, you know,
You get the exact same type of infrastructure. You get access to the same type of base layer primitives, but on top of that, now your application is possible. So this is why we work really hard on working with and integrating with different types of infrastructure tools, etc.
To really make sure that, you know, whatever applications you're building and whatever, you know, whatever type of user you are, you know, you're not seeing a significant drawbacks by being on injected. Yeah, and there's a funny story actually a personal story that I just wanted to highlight.
I just do underlying how broad you guys are and how much scale you guys have across the ecosystem. Because I actually first bought, I think, the ING token and used the sort of token around the ecosystem around the token that you had.
with a Binance Smart Chain, not knowing at all that you guys were built with Cosmos Tech. And then started to get more and more into Cosmos and all that stuff. Okay, ejective is actually huge, it's all over the place. So yeah, I think a lot of people out there actually, they don't know that either, it's just like I
realized personally. Speaking of these integrations, I'm sure scrolling through your personal Twitter and injective in general is just insane to see all the work that you guys are doing. I'm sure if I spoke with you maybe a week from now, two weeks from now, most
from now, it will be a whole other list that we will be talking about. But a reason one that is particularly interesting, I think, is the integration with Eclipse, which is getting a lot of attention these days also, where you guys have launched Cascade together. The first ever Solana SVM roll-up in the IPC ecosystem.
Obviously, you'll find a lot of fans of integrating with IBC here at the Cosmos Club. So perhaps talk to us about that integration bringing Solana to the Cosmos ecosystem, if you will, and how that opens up this floodgate of new opportunities. Yeah, I mean, Solana ecosystem is always extremely exciting because
You know, it has a lot of similarity with the Cosmos ecosystem. The main, you know, contrary environment for consequences, cosmos and but for Salana is the, you know, SVM, which is a sea level version machine. And the most interesting part here is that basically, you know, they're sharing like the same type of a rust-based environment.
environment, they also care about high throughput, scalability, etc. And for injectives case and for any type of customer space chain, there's a lot of overlap over there. And so, for my end,
what I'm most excited about cascades, you know, being able to bridge these two ecosystem together and, you know, bring them to coalesce on the mine share and kind of like having to explore kind of like the multi-chain world and bring all these like mine share from Solana, which is I think estimated to be like non-going all
for developer ecosystem onto injective and the cost most ecosystem as a whole and making sure that they're composable with each other. And for the past week or two, we've just been really, really busy with kind of guiding a lot of these so on developers and top salon projects to make their very first deployment onto the Cascade Testnet.
beautiful and just to dumb it down a bit for user, a potential user. So is it so a lot of developers that will now be able to deploy DAPs on on Injective and vice versa, of course, or how will a user, a typical user experience this, if you will.
Yeah, you know like you're exactly right like a lot of customers users now get to kind of experiment and Kind of try out like a slanta applications Basically via cascade and on top of that I think one more important thing is that you know with this environment these develop
First now we'll build highly innovative, very intriguing applications, especially a lot of them coming from HFT background, a lot of them came from different types of the Wuk2 background. This is a lot for Sun for the Cosmos user base.
They get to see, hey, these are the sweet applications. These are some of the composability possibilities. Basically, you get to enjoy really awesome pleating-hatch primitives. For injectives, that will be
a brokerage account like training experience. So obviously, FTX got a lot of user for having that type of marching feature and some of the issues. And it failed because those people are greedy and there were no transparency and oversight.
you know, having this on chain environment where everything is transparent, but at the same time, you don't lose access on those features. This will be a very, very powerful tool. Definitely. And yeah, let's make sure we do better than the FTX guys when we do it when we do it right on chain. No,
How do you say like tinkling in the background? Doing all sorts of stuff. It's all on chain. I'll start the blending in community questions early because I can see there's a lot of interest in general from the community, which is always a good sign. But how is
the economic model with these integrations. This user is asking about the SVM roll-up between Eclipse and Ejective. But I think it's also a more general question because I'm imagining that you guys are also looking to composable, for example, with sort of an
overlap or integration with the vocal dot ecosystem or landslide with avalanche. I mean, we start seeing all these different projects really that allow you to to reach over into all these different other ecosystems. So how is the economic model for that? Can you can you speak more to that?
Yeah, so basically having that composable ecosystem in the last, but developers are familiar with, let's say, in this case, for task case case, SVM environment to test out the water, deploy to first application. And then from that point on, basically, you have this kind of economic value generator from these projects.
And then they like the experience, they like all the floaters coming in. And then from that point on, they build more, more composable measures to introduce a much stronger network effect than just by deploying like multi chain app.
This is where the really exciting things are happening and that's why we have this like a test and period for cascade where so many developers can try out everything, etc. But then they're also building on composable measures to synergize with the massive injectable liquidity which has one of the most
efficient and most liquid, you know, like an atom-spot market on different terms of perpetual markets where, you know, they get to capture both the flow and also, you know, like the liquidity opportunities there. And that's when you see, you know, there's just like a strong mind share of like
I would say like applications, capital flow, and even bring on Solana community members to try all these other applications and for these two massive communities to finally meet and collaborate financially or intellectually for the first time.
Awesome. I'm going to shift gears a bit so we don't only talk about the cascades partnership or the eclipse partnership because you also recently actually announced the liquid-staked asset ST ING with strides.
Of course, that's something that a lot of people I think, or we can see here at the club at least, is very excited about. A lot of people are saying basically that liquid staking, derivatives or tokens or whatever we want to call it, is going to be the thing that's going to unleash divine and customer
Cosmos is sort of like is it to its sword the whole staking proof of stake the blockchain because it's mechanism because you end up blocking up a lot of token a lot of liquidity to be able to validate blocks on the network but and that's great for security and all sorts of reasons but it's not so
great for DeFi to happen because you need liquidity in all of DeFi to really work. And they were staking tokens is sort of the golden middle path if you will. So yeah, talk to us about that partnership and how you see that unfold and what opportunities it brings to injective in general.
Yeah, I mean that's certainly one of the most critical missing stack prior to the integration that has been like a liquid-staking derivative solution for Injective specifically. And this is the very first time where there's just massive amounts of like mine share and liquidity coming in.
to kind of like the state economics because one of the most important issues within Cosmos is the on-bonding period is 21 days typically. And then you face liquidity which kind of commands the premium on the staking API which creates overall relatively a more
I would say like token economic and APR economic for people that justify the reply return etc. And this causes, you know, first of all, most importantly, like a low-staking participation, you know, very, very bad kind of like a
I would say like overall economic flow. And yeah, basically I would say this is going to fundamentally change how the state economic is going to work on top of the objective. And more importantly, this is going to drastically improve the overall
consensus health of any other blockchain that has a liquid stake in derivatives. Yeah, I mean, I'm a big big fan of strides and we had them all also here at the club and it's just great to see all these things unfold. I think it's going to
It's going to bring a lot of positive things to customers that we don't even see right now. So yeah, great to see solid projects like yourselves is joining in, joining in the party. Of course. But talking about the ING token, not just
was taken by the token in general. We were of course kick ourselves if we didn't ask more about the token and the many utilities that you see. Both now of course that we can all sort of see life on chain and all the different utilities for ING but also in the future. So talk
about the token. Yeah, also for the uninitiated who is unaware, of course, about the I&G token. Yeah, of course. So, so the native token I&G is mainly used for like security and blockchain itself. It's, you know, the most critical kind of like a economic tool to make sure that the blockchain is always secure via the proof of stick mechanism.
But on top of that, it has very interesting dynamics where first of all aspects of the chain itself is governed by a stake token via a Dell. So this means that any type of protocol upgrade, any type of launching parameter changes, if you're a stakeer or if you're a delegator, you can vote on it.
And so this basically ensures that the chain and the network itself involved with the community and is mutable from any type of single-actor action. On top of that, there's an option in bird mechanism because there's a lot of very natural kind of fees and volume coming through like the
watching itself. That's in one of the cool features that trading fees, etc., is not paid utilizing the native token, IJ, is actually depending on whatever market it is, just charge like a negative spread on top of it. So basically, it doesn't show us that there are
I believe today to 5.8 million burned 5.8 million I and J burn I believe and on top of that you know like millions of millions of dollars the auction value I think dozens of million as I guess and then this basically allows for you know
So the overall strength of the network to tie into the value of the network itself where privacy has kind of an inflationary force, but the auction and bird mechanism also has a deflationary force. Yeah, and I wanted to ask this is something that I can
see the community is also quite curious about because Injective was incubated from Binance Labs, I believe it's called the Binance VC Fund or Incubation Fund. And this whole burning mechanism also resembles how the B&B token does these burns.
scheduled burns. Let's call it. You mentioned FTX yourself and we all know the history between San Penguin Freeze and CC. I just wanted to ask you basically maybe it's a bit left field here but how has the whole... did you... has the whole...
like CC sitting with a pile of fgx tokens and all that kind of stuff have they sort of been a good partner in being integrated from from from Binance or how has that been because a lot of people I think it's both speculating but also like coming up with all kinds of conspiracy theories about CC these days and I just
I want to put those to rest really, speaking to someone that has been through the grinder with the Binance himself. I would say like, you know, basically,
at the end day, no one knows exactly what happened between them and CZ. It doesn't really make sense for us to speculate or present conspiracy theories. Basically, at the end day, whatever the motive might be, or whatever
a conflict might be, it's a good thing for people to uncover this issue around the FTX et cetera, you know, better earlier than later. And, you know, certainly, I would say like the growth of a
the injective ecosystem, especially these days, has been pretty much independent from the reliance on any type of central entities, like finance, et cetera. And it's really like kind of like still on its own feet. And, you know, but by this has been like very early backers, but recently, you know, the
majority of the partners has been you know training firms and you know institutional investors and you know larger large VC backers etc that kind of dominates I guess like the stake as a stakeholder and also kind of like the strategic partnership over there.
Yeah, it's more also about the experience from your guys view with being competitive from Binance, but of course, it was very early stage. I mean, it's almost a thing of the past, right? You guys have moved mountains since that time. It sounds like.
Yeah, certainly. Yeah, so I just wanted to ask because I can see also a lot of people asking the community like, how do that work out? You know, central six change as you said, but the injective being almost becoming like a one stop shop for all things DeFi, right? You're almost like becoming the
you from the community. Let's talk a bit about the future if I dare ask because you guys have a lot of things on the roadmap here. So yeah, talk to us about what we can expect from Injective in the short term, I guess. Oh yeah, I mean, there's a lot of things. I'm very, very
exciting, especially with the advent of project access is going to review very soon. Although, you know, recent rush of developer increase from a cascade, there's also, you know, a lot of really, really exciting development around, you know, basically, I would say,
All the institutional onboarding try to be careful that works here to not you know, spoil the surprise and on top of that, you know, like there's also a lot of very very Exciting, you know, like new development and new upgrade basically every day
that all the exciting stuff that's being done by not just folks over at the injective labs, but also from all the ecosystem projects.
And I'm curious too, because I think you guys are doing so many different things. It's hard to keep up even for someone following these things on a daily basis. How, like what, if you let's say you execute them,
the roadmap right? How do you see yourselves being positioned in, let's just say in crypto, are you mainly, as I just said, don't want to put words into your mouth, but are you aiming for being sort of a one-stop shop for all things D5?
both for retail and institutions that you just mentioned or because you also have some metaverse partnerships and work being done. So how do you see yourself facing? Where do you move the tours with this program?
Yeah, I think the most important thing is that, you know, injective as an ecosystem is still, you know, finance focused, like the name suggests, yeah, it's like tag like the justice of watching over the finance. And so this also means that basically all the work revolving, you know, different types of vertical, it all has a financial touch to it.
a lot of things don't stray far from finance in essence. Basically, for a metaverse, certainly a lot of the gain-fired economics and also from an infrastructural layer, it's highly critical.
Also, you know, for NFTs specifically, they're just so much exciting things extending beyond just, you know, building like whatever, you know, NFT projects there is, but rather, you know, more importantly, you know, tying it in with real or assets, tying it in with different types of exciting
financializations and tying in with basically a lot of very exciting work around, you know, kind of onboarding like different types of intriguing, I would say like collateralized loan against like non-fungible tokens or you know, trade
like efficient marketplace and high liquidity marketplace for any type of thinly traded, like NFTs, et cetera. And I think these are all very, very exciting, like a financial brainstorming and experiment to look into for injectives interest.
And in order to pull that off also something that I forgot just earlier was about price oracles. Obviously we all know if you want to link with market and a good trading experience you need to you rely heavily on price oracles both from trading and user experience but also
for security perspective to avoid something like flash loans, attacks, etc., etc. And you recently had the work done with the booth network. I can never pronounce that name. I've mentioned a few times here on the podcast, but I can never pronounce it. Nobody has corrected me yet.
Yeah, I think so. But yeah, talk to us about the yeah, both the importance of price or course and that partnership. I mean, price roll call is the most important piece of infrastructure for any type of to reduce market or any type of lending market, etc. And you know, pefficer
Kind of like a highly institutional and highly exciting like Oracle solutions out there It has you know like a price feed and kind of like Information that's being passed from the traditional institutional data sources that has never been accessible in D5 before
So they have a lot of really intriguing like primitives like price range where it has like a confidence interval on you know specific price feed where it allows basically liquidation, margin, etc. To be extremely friendly. For example, you know, if the confidence intervals low for a certain
and let's say like acid, et cetera. Then those who are on a high risk position might not be liquidated, right? And I would say like this is definitely one of those things that's going to have very much prolonged impact in long run.
especially in a relatively more subtle way where, hey, now there's this market that's enabled that hasn't been found within DeFi before, and one of the first market that was being tested out within a de-injective test net is the DeFi market for any type of
commodities and ends up with a real asset tie-in and stuff like that. So yeah, basically this will really kind of involve the injective landscape for derivatives. Yeah. And just a
Maybe it's a dumb question, but that's something that I've always considered when speaking to especially larger DeFi protocols. Why not build your own sort of kick-ass price or calls setup? Why is it that you need to rely on
And Chainlink, for example, is a behemoth obviously, or a fifth network. Is there a good reason why it needs to be someone else? Because every time you also integrate with someone else, there's obviously risk carried with that. So can you speak to that benefit of using external price articles, if you will?
Yeah, I mean it's a very simple thing. It's certainly very tempting to say hey like a lot of build my own work of solution and basically like a boost travel all price feeds and having a tight to consensus, but that also adds a multitude of new attack factors and new issues.
within the overall landscape of derivatives or in terms of layer one blockchain. If you supply the price feed yourself, you basically have one completely new surface of the tech area beyond just the exchange integrity and also the security of
different types of matching mechanisms, etc. But I would say along with that, one of the main issues is that Oracle is a very, very tough to tackle problem. And basically, there are people with millions of millions of dollars of funding and
large amount of that have count. There are focus on creating the most secure and most sustainable and dynamic and usable price feed. This should be a more of a collaborative effort rather than, hey, I'll just do it myself.
It might seem like it's beneficial in the beginning where adding new markets, adding new price feed is very, very easy, but very soon there's going to be security incidents or going to be issues around it because either a lab team, etc., is pretty spread then on designing
or implementing robust mechanism or there were financial implications that are unaddressed outside of our per view, etc. That could be devastating to users. Another really important thing is that we want to make sure that there's a really strong
diversity of price feed on top of an objective. It could be aggregated, it could be a market specific, and we really want the specific derivative market or lending protocol, etc. So it's important to use that hey, the security of this market and the security of your position ties directly with the Oracle position
itself, it ties directly with Oracle itself. So this means that this allows you to evaluate a risk very, very carefully. And generally, it actually elevates the security of a particular market. If you're custodying or you're fund or using a certain blockchain for trading,
But at the same time, there's even stronger or much larger like economic backing for price feed itself to last it to be separated. Yeah, that makes a ton of sense. And obviously every time you do something yourself, you open up an attack vector right there on yourself. So this seems to
like a critical infrastructure that makes sense also to have external, multiple external networks to validate around, basically validate price speeds in this case. But yeah, I just, again, just wanted to ask the stupid questions and now that we have you on because we know you're busy man, so probably don't get a chance.
anytime soon. But let's assume that of all the things that you guys are working on and all the things that you have delivered already, everything falls into place, you execute perfectly and things are really rolling for you guys. Both now but in the months and
years to come. How do you see Injective take shape and become let's say in five years from now? And I guess what I'm asking is not just Injective isolated but also Injective in all of crypto because you guys I think it's fair to say you guys have really managed to encompass in a way that
I think most crypto ecosystems and that's that's the main question here and the second follow-up quick follow-up after that is are you planning to extend to more ecosystems like I mentioned airlines with landslide or polka dot with the composable is that a piece of how inject
it looks like five years from now. Yeah, of course. I think you're integrating with as many like other ones and like generalized environments or ecosystem. What would that be even like crypto or non crypto is critical for the growth of the ecosystem and the experience for developers, right? On top of that, like one of the, you know,
more interesting thought experiment is about, you know, we're injective as an ecosystem opium within five or ten years. And I mean, it's very hard for us to, you know, anticipate or predict. And, you know, there's kind of like a North Star or like a goal that folks that elapsing are building towards, but thankfully, and, you know, more excitingly, like,
The ecosystem isn't just a team of people. This has a lot of stakeholders that all get to participate within the evolution of that Injective. I would say personally one of my hope for Injective as an ecosystem is that it will evolve into basically the
fundamental infrastructure for any type of financial applications or any type of base layer financial infrastructure. And this means that this extends far beyond crypto. And it has been like kind of like our goals since day one is to be able to encroach and truly change
landscape of traditional financial markets. And I would say like, you know, the world might not, you know, change by like a significant degree, if that like objective was achieved, but there's going to be, you know, fundamentally a lot more destruction, like for example,
example, hey, for some reason my money transmission is way faster. For some reason, we don't see a lot of issues around stocks, for example. We don't see a lot of issue around margining or margin call. Basically, these type of latent effect within the
machine the powers of the world is going to be disrupted by removing all the rent seeking middlemen and creating a truly like a South and powering financial ecosystem. You mentioned institutions a few times now. Do you think
I think institutions will play, obviously they will play a big and bigger role because they're not starting from zero of course, but it's very small relative to how big institutional finance is. But will it be key in the next five years for injective to attract institutions to the protocol?
Is that sort of a key performance indicator if you will? I think it's a key signaling, but it's not like a performance indicator. Basically, you know, also labs we generally try our best to help, you know, any type of financial institutions to onboard to, you know, you know, I think the doctor platform, etc.
But at the end of the day, institutions are too adopted to a very meaningful way, unlike financial institutions adopting it just to look good in front of their LPs or investors or have a PR, but truly to change their infrastructure, to change
You know like the way that they do things from ground up requires you know existing significant adoption And it requires a lot of existing grunt work and obviously, you know, that's going to be catapult and you know accelerated by more and more crypto adoption But it's really about you know making sure that more and more users are on board it to defy
and the interactive ecosystem. And on top of that, more and more people are familiar with it and create this like unstoppable force where institutions are the ones playing catch up, rather than any type of specific firm trying to beg institutions to onboard.
Amen to that. Eric, you have been an absolute pleasure to have on. You're very pleasant to talk to, by the way. I speak to a lot of people. I think we have like 70 different founders and projects on and you seem to be just so calm and so...
How do you say like a pleasant and your own skin? I think it's the best way to phrase it in English at least. I'm sitting here in Copenhagen speaking Danish on a daily basis. But yeah, so glad to get the chance to talk to Eric. It's been an absolute pleasure. Is there anything that we forgot? Is there anything you want to leave the community with today?
Yeah, I mean like if you're a developer definitely check out the website There's a lot of really exciting initiatives like the $150 million ecosystem fund that you can see and apply There's also just so much exciting things if you're a user like definitely try out like a hub he likes etc. Oh
and experiment and check out all the injective ecosystem applications. And if you're a trader or institution, there's also a lot of different programs for you to get engaged and get rewarded for being an early adopter. So yeah, I think
Twitter is all the Twitter pay Twitter account for injectors definitely a great first place, but we'll you know check out a website for more extended information Definitely definitely and something that I forgot to mention was that you you had an exclusive
I just wanted to make sure that I mentioned that because I
I promised a member of your team also. But Eric, thank you so much for taking the time today to come on and talk to us here at the club. And we look forward to continue following you guys. Yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Take care.