Hey Jonathan welcome to the space. Can you hear me? Yeah, is this Mark speaking? Yes, this is a Mark from Denmark that tends to the
to stick. Love it, love it. And we got Tanmay from my team. Yeah, we're just joined as well. Just just approved the request. Tanmay, can you
Perfect. Awesome. Super. So we got Jonathan, we got Tanmei. There's a third person also we're waiting for, I believe. Yeah, Brandon will be joining shortly. Got the whole crew. Awesome. Perfect.
just give it a few then I can see also people are joining from all across the Cosmos ecosystem. Yeah, I just pinged our discord and say the chain and sent out a tweet at 2pm. It's sweet. Exciting times for you guys, huh?
It's a lot of fun. The space in general, a bit quiet, but we're focused on building. And yeah, people really seem to care about this Omnichain topic and what's possible.
considering the wait list for test net app, but we'll get into it. Yeah, for sure. I think it's right down the Cosmos alley, to be honest, everyone, most people at least that get into Cosmos, they buy into OmniChain, interoperability, like, so,
anyone who's working on that and making that happen I think is going to catch a lot of attention in this ecosystem. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, we're excited to get on your radar like it's in our white paper that were built on Cosmos SDK, but we haven't been so public about it.
other than the article the other week. Yeah, I think that's great. That's also what actually caught my attention. A lot of people, you know, they start like promoting like crazy without having much to show for, but you guys seem to have done it as
bit differently at least. So we'll get more into that for sure. I'm yeah. So I don't know if we should, because now it's 3pm Eastern time at least. I don't know if you just want to dive into it and then let the brand on join or
I can, you know, approve his speaker request on the fly if he's joining. Yeah, let's give it a minute here. I'm going to pick them. Okay, some water then while we wait for our dear friend, Brandon.
So are you guys part of the cost most Dow like research function? No, so a few words about the Cosmos Club. I'll introduce it in a minute and then obviously jump straight to that so people don't have to wait a few minutes before
the space actually starts. But no, so the Consumers Club is actually, we'd like to say that it's an account that is created by the community for the community. So it's me, of course, and a few other guys who has been in crypto for ages. So we call ourselves veterans.
and we've been in Cosmos also for quite some time. And we felt like, you know, there wasn't really a place where people could thought that an account that people could follow, so they could, first of all, get daily tweets and what's moving in Cosmos, summarize.
in a weekly newsletter for people who are not as much as Twitter as many other people are in crypto at least. And then inviting interesting guests on a podcast like this or space. And Twitter has been extending their functionality a lot since
For sure, since we got into crypto and into customers for that matter. So everything is sort of happening on Twitter. So we felt like, okay, you know what? We can issue, we can obviously tweet on Twitter. We can issue a newsletter with this review functionality. I don't know if you see on our profile, for example, you can easily subscribe.
to newsletter, which is a nice little Twitter integration. And then obviously these spaces, which make it super convenient, everything in one place. And then obviously we distribute the content, for example, the space we record, and then we blast it out on Spotify, Google Podcast, all these different platforms.
Yeah, so that's great. Yeah, you're using Twitter well and it's needed because there's so much noise in the space. We're all here by the way, Brent and just joined. Yeah, super. I can see there was a request to speak by a true TRU. I don't think that's that said that.
that's Brandon. Yeah, cool. I ask because actually last time I held the space, we got so many requests for people to speak. Hey, yeah, this is Brandon. Hey, Brandon, welcome to the space. Thank you. In many ways, a lot of
people's request is big and it became just a shit show. So I'll try to obviously invite people to the floor, ask questions at the end, but for the first, I don't know, half an hour or so, it will be just sort of me asking the questions for the flow of the conversation.
Sounds good. Yeah, a lot of profile pictures floating around. So we get exactly. But with that, let's kick it off guys and everyone welcome to the Cosmos Club where we tweet daily about what's going on in the Cosmos ecosystem, the Cosmoverse, summarizing that in a week, the
newsletter. So if you haven't signed up already, please do. It's easy on our profile. We can subscribe via Twitter. And then finally, we invite awesome guests to the two spaces, which is then distributed out on Spotify and all the other podcast platforms. And today we have CIDA chain. So welcome guys to the customer's club.
Thank you pleasure to be here. Thank you. So I always like to ask and by the way, great that you all could join. It always creates a good, a greater conversation I think when we got multiple team members on this
space because then you get different approaches that people typically have on the team, which is always nice to hear. But yeah, I always like to ask in the beginning, guys, what is CIDA chain about? The CIDA token that is coming out. And why do people need to pay attention here?
I can jump in here and I mean before even talking about Zeta chain, I think one of the big important dilemmas in the space right now is around interoperability and specifically interoperability among blockchains.
and how information and data and assets are passed from one chain to another. And when you think about some of the current approaches that we've seen in the past few years, call it solutions that are trying to bridge the gap.
on intended. They have in the process created some pretty serious attack vectors. And at the end of the day, a lot of these solutions are not truly interoperable with any chain or layer. And so that's a big opportunity. And I think it's
important because just like Web 1 protocols, people need to be able to use the internet and send emails to each other. And I think the argument for interoperability in blockchain and Web 3 is similar. And part of our thesis is
that the environment is multitraining and that's going to continue to persist. So it's a problem right now and it's growing. So that's a bit on interoperability.
Yeah, I think Jonathan explained it pretty well and like to add some points to it like how Zera chain is sort of different from the multiple bridge protocols that we already have. Isn't the fact that we focus more on like being
transparent and providing like faster finality for all of these transactions across change on that that happened. And the way that the process that we have we will discuss that more over this conversation, but it's slightly different from other bridges which enables us to.
to provide these features and that's that's what I feel is like the key differentiating factor between what Zeta chain is doing right now or planning to do and what some of the other bridges are doing. Yeah and I would like to dwell on this actually.
Now that you mentioned bridges upfront because we all know what happened this week with Nomad. Nomad was just the most recent example of bridges getting hacked. We got many other examples of that. Ronin, wormhole, like the list just goes on and on. It feels like. And then we got IPC, of course.
in customers and I think the overarching argument for anyone who is into the customer's ecosystem is that IBC Trump's bridges any day, all day. So I would really like to know, or I think the community would like to know how does SETA sort of
Where do you guys play? Where you guys play, basically, is it more like a bridge functionality that you're building? IPC? How do you guys connect to all this? That's actually a very interesting question. The shortest answer to that is
What ZSing is trying to build is it follows a vendor architecture to what IBC is, but it's not limited to cause most chains. So the like whatever bridges that we have had so far hinge on the fact that
There is an asset which gets locked in some smart contract and some other assets are minted on this other chain based on this locked asset. And multiple, you mentioned a couple of different hacks and issues that we
have found and all of these hinge on the fact that there are assets locked at some point. IBC is different in a way because it does escrow but it follows an actor model and that would pass the message across the chain and the other
other chain is supposed is basically reading these messages and relaying it across and that's what Zerogin does is where like there is no concept of token scaring locked. It's messages that are relayed across one network to another and that is about
So the user never really has to lock their own original tokens. So we are secure in that fashion because that attack vector is not present at all. Interesting. Yeah, I can add a little bit more onto that.
that I guess that was a great explanation of how we differ from the functionality of bridges, specifically for the use case of sending value from different chains to different chains. And then like the layer on top
that which I think is potentially even more powerful is that we are a blockchain, like an L1 blockchain in ourselves. So what happens is you can deploy a smart contract on Zetachain that
can orchestrate liquidity or data on connected chains. So that's like a new paradigm of app building that doesn't really exist right now. And is in a way like our own rendition
of something that IBC has attempted to achieve, but in a chain agnostic way, and with a cool property of being able to deploy cross-chain or chain agnostic logic in a single place.
rather than a lot of the bridging or communication protocols that exist right now, like Nomad, for example, you could just deploy a single contract rather than having to deploy contracts on all the chains and pass messages between them. So yeah.
That's pretty mind-blowing for anyone who's ever deployed a app to any chain. I used to be personally heavily involved in Ethereum. I build a bunch of stuff. Solidarity fell in love with the Cosmos community because I think a lot of
people who followed this account have heard me say this multiple times, but basically what happens when you are in Ethereum, Avalanche, Solana, you name it, you become almost like a Maxi. You have to vouch for that chain only. So you become a Maxi almost by definition, building
on these chains. And I didn't see that happen on customers. Like every time there was a new project launching on customers, I just saw everybody else cheering them on, like, you know, vouching for them, because we all know that the bigger the ecosystem becomes on customers, the more successful we will all become because of IBC. And what you're saying right now, Brandon, sounds
pretty mind-book blowing to someone like me actually. If chains are able to deploy or if anyone is able to deploy their DAP and then SIDA somehow, I don't understand quite how, but somehow make sure that that can be compatible to multiple different chains. Omni chain, as you say.
Yeah, definitely like something we really believe is new that we're bringing it to the table. And then, yeah, of course it comes in different phases, so initially
What we have live on Testnet right now allows you to send messages in the same way as some communication protocols. But with the caveat of Eston, it was saying that we can support native asset transfer rather than
a block, a blockment bridge architecture that has been the culprit or the point of attack for all of these bridge hacks you hear about. And then after this messaging layer, we will
or like we will release support for the Omnichain Smart Contracts which I agree is both technologically cool in that you can have a single place of logic for a lot of the things that would normally be fragmented but also
For that community aspect where really like app new crypto applications or protocols being built in this new world won't necessarily be tied to a chain they should
be chain-agnostic by default. At least that's how we're imagining it. And with that, there isn't that whole maxi dynamic. It's more like if you have a good application, that application should be able to live across
and have a pleasant UX to where a user might not even have to worry about what chain they are on or where they need to get their assets. They can just use application A. If you have assets that you've gotten onto your
Phantom Wallet or your Metamasker, whatever, that's kind of the future we're imagining, where from developers standpoint it's Chateagnostic and also to users it's Chateagnostic or that's just abstracted. And of course there are a lot of steps to get there.
Yeah, of course. Rome wasn't built in one day, but that's pretty fascinating. I feel like, and I think a burning question that a lot of people would have after hearing this is how do you compare yourselves? What exists today that
that you would sort of look to and say, it's similar to that. Like, is it forchain, you know, with this sort of native swaps, for example, kind of thing? Is it like an evolved version of IPC that goes beyond the Cosmos ecosystem? Like, how would you compare Silla Chain to something that exists already?
Yeah, I can take this and maybe tell me if you want to chime in on more technical perspective. But yeah, I guess high level architecture wise we have taken some
inspiration from things like the or chain that are able to trade assets between different chains. But I guess the ecosystem we're imagining
could be maybe more akin to a single chain if that makes sense. So, or like this omni-chain concept, if that makes sense. So,
Yeah, we would serve as a medallayer for all these chains to orchestrate whatever they need to do. Some applications might need to build a lot of the logic or compute on a certain chain because maybe compute is cheaper or more feasible.
than doing everything on Ethereum. But being able to move assets where you need security or whatever specialization of blockchain has that
that it all per needs very freely. So something that exists right now, hard to exactly follow, but I sort of medallayer for
people to build crypto applications in general, where they can excel in whatever aspect they need, performance, security, etc. or even targeting certain social graphs.
In the multi-chain world, there is a chance there will still be leanings towards certain environments, like if a ton of games are built on Avalanche, and that is the gaming ecosystem, then
That is something we want to support, but we also want to open users to be able to both go into that ecosystem and go to another ecosystem very easily, rather than being locked down.
So like what Brandon mentioned, it's difficult to draw a parallel with any network which exists right now, but from a technical standpoint, what Zeta Jain does is like V
build the infrastructure which separates out the smart contract layer from the state machine. And what this allows you to do is like builds your D apps and like the smart contracts which these D apps interact with without having to
to think about what chain or what state this mark contract will be executing on because Zeta team provides the infrastructure for you to really message across these chains. So you can think of you can concentrate on building your
Deploying the smart contract without having to worry about which specific chain you are targeting because that does not really matter. It's not important for you to worry about where the what part of the state this contract is modifying in a way.
True, and I think that's sort of the dream or the goal that a lot of people would like to have, but has not been technically possible for whatever reason in the past. But then perhaps talk us through the journey almost that the developer goes through. Say I'm a completely green
that developer, you know, let's say I build a couple of websites and I heard a web 3 and now I want to dive into, you know, blockchain development and build my own build my first step. I don't care if I build it on Ethereum or Solana or Siddlerchain, it doesn't matter.
to me, I just want to deploy something. How would I do that with SETA chain? What would be the steps that I want programming language? How would I deploy? Like maybe you can talk more about that. Yeah, so with that, I think the lowest barrier
to enter the way of developing right now is the steps a developer would take are you would have a contract maybe like NFT or an existing contract you could maybe kickstart development with
or your own custom contract that you're voting for scratch in Solidity. And the way you integrate data chain is you implement three functions, send, receive, and handling reverts. And then with that,
logic, you can deploy on multiple chains and be able to move things or whatever you need to move, whether it's data or value between different chains, just by deploying the same contract on all the chains you want to support.
really just implementing those three functions. Getting that logic correct is the only step that I have to take right now beyond learning. And then as we add additional chain support with different contract languages like Cosmolism
For example, you can do the equivalent with those languages/potforms. Cool. Yeah, that's pretty accurate. So what Brandon mentioned, we developed a lot about basically implementing those three functions.
those then function names are pretty self explanatory and if you want to run like a message across chain those are three outcomes that what can happen right and based on the outcome from your message one of those three
things would be triggered and that's how the message will be related across the chain. So you can think of like deploying a contract in chain sending a message to chain B and executing one of those three things in the middle. Cool. So that's from a developer perspective.
perspective. What about a user's perspective? So something that a lot of people find at least surprising maybe sometimes is that they might be used to metamask, but they haven't heard of Kepler, for example, and all of a sudden they install a new wallet and set that up like
It's not difficult, it's just they're used to using metamask for everything. So how would there be a different wallet for cell chain also similar to Kepler or will you be able to use Kepler or another cosmos kind of integrated wallet or how would the user interpret
direct with synergy. Sure. So it's a lot simpler than that, at least for the base case, with a contract like Tommy was describing that has those three outcomes send receive, send receive river to a user
they would just be interacting with a contract that exists on a chain that they're already using. So their MetaBask on Ethereum mainnet, for example, they, if they wanted
to interact with one of these apps that had Zeta Chain integrated would just send a transaction to that contract, just as they interact with anything like Minty and NFT.
that's our data to another chain. If you were sending assets to Cosmos chain, for example, then maybe the user has to understand that. Like, oh, I want to send my NFT from Ethereum
made net to Cosmos. That entails they need to get a new wallet. But if they're just sending between two networks supported by Metamask, they just need a send a transaction just like they would send an NFT or do a uniswap.
transaction. So just a single step and say to change handles all of the cross chain transfer as well as gas fees on the destination. So there's no, none of that like issue where you end up bridging some acid and then you don't have any gas.
to unlock it on the destination. A lot of that UX is completely abstracted away from a normal user. Man, if you solve that problem, just the last one that you mentioned there, you would have done a
I love a lot of good in this world. There just used to be no limits to the hurting that is happening because of bridges and how the quality is almost isolated depending on the chain, or the wallets being used.
And perhaps you can speak to that actually perhaps you can speak to you know one of the what are the big benefits in creating this interoperable world I just mentioned liquidity I guess that that could be a first but what else
do you see happening with Cedar chain once that's being rolled out? And on the back of that question is also, where are you now in the development process? I know you have a testnet perhaps coming up soon, so maybe speak more to that.
Yeah, so TestNet is actually live for developers to build on. We haven't released any public UI for that for general community to mess around with, but you can look at the live explorer and
addresses on our docs to start developing if you're interested in that. And our team, beyond just us three, are online on Discord if like anyone has any questions or wants to get started with that. As far as
Sorry, I lost my train of thought. What was your initial question? My initial question was basically what the big problems interoperability is solving. I mentioned liquidity myself stealing your thunder a bit, but maybe there are other ones that you would like to highlight.
I guess we can talk about it in terms of where we envision the ecosystem going, particularly for users. And yeah, I think that liquidity lockup issue is an example.
example of just the broader issue of there being a bunch of barriers to entry, whichever way you go in crypto right now, whether it's KYC and getting assets onto a wallet in the first place
transferring it to a different chain, purchasing things, looking at games that are on chains that you don't have things on, whatever, and also people like developers
having to deploy the same contracts on all these different chains and not like it just adding more fragmentation to the system. You ask, and UX is you can pay from and receive
even to any wallet that any marketplace should support that sort of functionality, interoperability in terms of purchasing and selling NFTs.
Yeah, it's a combination of that interoperability with a level of being able to pick your poison. So if you want to go to a chain as I was saying before that has certain specializations, you can do that.
but no barriers to doing that as there are right now. And also not a problem but really we have
have access to all of these cool things which did not exist before and they can be
will much better and more interesting smart contracts explore the deep file landscape in a from a different angle now because now you would have smart contracts running across chains and you can think of new things to do with this.
Like you can think of cross chain decks and stuff like that which did not exist before and I feel that's one of the important things that Xeragene brings into perspective after we have the cross chain spot on that's working.
I see. Interesting. It sure is an exciting world out there and in Cosmos in particular if you ask me. And that makes the question obviously we are Cosmos focused accounts and a lot of our followers listeners will be interested in the
in our in in in cosmos in particular. So why did you guys choose to build with cosmos? What were your thoughts behind it? And perhaps also a bit of background on you. Like you sound like you have been building stuff with Ethereum in the past. Perhaps a bit of background on on you as well.
So, answer the first part of the question why corresponds. So, one of the things that we were looking for is big faster finality on the chain and as a consensus layer,
was one of the best options that we would choose and Cosmos just provides a nice wrapper on top of the environment to build the ABCI app on. So that was one of the reasons. The other important reason was the community itself because
I think the commodity that exists in Cosmos between all of these different projects is excellent. I think you mentioned this before as well. Whenever there's a new project, it's cheered on by everyone else because it boosts the ecosystem over the next few years.
are writing while the final project succeeds it helps the whole ecosystem and I mean that plays very well with the whole interoperability thing because we are talking about bridging chains we are talking about communication between chains and how these chains would interact with
each other and this plays very well with the ideas and the ideas of cosmos in general. So those were some of the things branding if you want to add something else.
answer. And then, yeah, a flower background, my background is more than general startups in Web2 and building somethings on Ethereum as well, but more in like
the prototype development stage is entering. Tane's background is working directly in Cosmos SDK and some related projects. And the rest of the team has some background in both like
Exchange work. So building some of the largest exchanges that exist today and then also academic backgrounds in distributed computing and high performance computing that translates to building, boxing technologies pretty well.
Nice. You do sound like a very technical, heavy team chatting with you guys, talking to you guys like you seem to have all the technical capabilities to be able to pull this off, to be honest, which is great. This is what
projects need. And we mentioned before, the space officially went live at least, that you have been in sort of stealth mode. You've been building this in silence where a lot of projects they do the opposite. They talk about it.
talk a great talk before having anything really to show for. So perhaps talk us through that you have tested live now like what were your thoughts on on launching set of chain because obviously being an interoperable protocol
means that hopefully everyone will implement and hear about you guys in the first place. So what would your roadmap, how does your roadmap look like both in the past and going forward?
Yeah, I think our strategy in terms of launching to mainnet beyond this current testnet is to launch with partners who are building things for real users.
We will announce some pretty exciting partnerships in time as we get closer to main net and even beyond main net launch. But all of those partners are
They have fairly large user races on their own and want to integrate cross-chain in a safe way for their users. So for example, a very large exchange is working with us. Some projects working on, some defy related things and NFT.
projects. So when we get to mean that we want to help amplify those use cases, bringing more users to the ecosystem in general, whether it's coming from
zero crypto background or a, you know, a DGen very in crypto native background. So that's strategy there and we are doing that and not necessarily doing all the hype stuff. Now,
Because we're focused on real utility, our, I mean for reference, our internal metric that we are tracking is monthly transacting users, things like TBL and some other metrics that other protocols might
lean more towards our ones that we don't think necessarily adds the same value or represents the same thing. So that's how we're thinking about that. And then roadmap timeline of mainnet will release more details in the coming months, but have some pretty exciting
updates to come if you stay tuned on our our social and discord. Yeah and I have the encourage people to do that if you haven't done that already go and follow SETA chain on their Twitter and discord etc. there's a lot of cool information I think.
I've been in this space for a long time, but just reading up on your articles and all that, it really shows that you guys know what you're talking about. So I can highly encourage people to do that already. And that brings me to SETA, the token that you want you
with the chain. I mean, obviously when people talk about roadmap, they look at what you have in store, sort of what is coming and all that kind of stuff. And then shortly after, especially in Cosmos, is when a drop, when can we buy this? So maybe you can speak more to that.
Yeah, so we've kind of brushed over it in talking about how data chain works, but the way that that bridge list native transfer works is built into the protocol in that the only coin
that is or value that is transferred through Zeta chain. Crosschain is Zeta the coin. So when you swap for example on a deck spilt on top of Zeta chain, you would, if you're swapping Ethereum on
eth main net to usdc on polygon, you would send that eth to a smart contract like a dex contract that would swap your eth for a zeta
Zeta would be burned and then Zeta would be minted on the destination polygon and then swapped for USTC. So built into anything moving across this new OmniChain
ecosystem is usage of the coin data. So it is a utility focused coin. And yeah, because of that,
when we go main that that entails the coin will also be in use and available in the ecosystem. And not to be too pushy on this, but I know this is a burning question that people
have, but will there be an outdrop? Are you considering an outdrop in the cost of the ecosystem? Not that you have to mention the details about it, but is that something that you've set along already or considering right now? I guess to be transparent, we can't really send any details on that right now.
We are excited to engage more with our community and get people contributing and giving them more routes to contribute to just the community in general and the actual protocol. So we have a pretty exciting update coming up.
likely next week that we'll give you guys and our community in general a very powerful route to engage with us and engage with the protocol help us test it. That's sort of thing. So yeah, that's that's very that's very
And I ask because I know it's something that is on a lot of people's minds both in this call but also in general. But I think what I want to underline is that people should invest in this if they are investing or show interest in this for the tech because it really is
pretty promising what you guys are working on. So that's where that's what people should be looking for first and foremost. And then perhaps there's a financial opportunity but that should be secondary. Cool. So
What do you think is the endgame for CedA chain? Is that just for everyone to run transactions? All their activity should run on CedA chain or be compatible with CedA chain? What's the endgame here guys? Yeah, I think the endgame is similar to CedA.
what we were talking about before, where there are other blockchains that exist that have specializations for TAs. And we serve as the connecting layer that either orchestrates things across those different blockchains or lets you move things directly.
between certain ones. So kind of like a universal medallayer for crypto. And I guess adding onto that is that that that's very core functionality for a seamless crypto ecosystem. So
But we like to think of Zeta Chain as a public good of sorts in the same way. Something like Ethereum exists now and will likely exist into the future as just like a way for even if you're launching a new protocol.
You will always have that flexibility to go to a new one or help your users onboard from a different chain and that sort of thing without the hurdles that exist today that we've talked about a bunch already.
Yeah, and to add on to that point, I think Zeta chain is the gateway to really make crypto mainstream in general, abstracting away a lot of these fragment bid steps that we've talked about over this call. And I think it as corporations
start to engage web 3 protocols and do on-chain stuff like they're going to inherently want to have options and we're going to be ready for that. So I think this is what helps make crypto more mainstream because the
fact is, is that it's still a pretty small space and they're, you know, we live in crypto Twitter and there's hype and we're in servers and stuff on Discord, but Solano only has like 300,000 active users, so they claim and so there's a lot more
run away here when you just think about tech and the internet on a relative basis. Yeah. And do you think just a follow-up on that? Do you think interoperability is like something that could be a catalyst for people to like
more people to get into with 3 blockchain, etc. Because when you blockchain, Ethereum has been around for more than decade, right? Also in practice, not just in theory, by the way. Decade, obviously, is not too long, but still, we live in a heavily networked world.
So it is a bit surprising to at least me that we haven't seen that much adoption yet. People doing transactions and more activity happening on Web 3. Do you think so in a nutshell, do you think interoperability is going to be like a killer feature that's going to make some sort of catalyst event for adoption?
I think it's definitely part of the case for some of the reasons we talked about, but also market maturity is required with any of these transformational technologies. So 10 years plus sounds about right. So I think the world needs to evolve as well.
Awesome. So is there anything left that you would like the community to know before we close this thing off? As I mentioned in the beginning, I'm sitting here in Copenhagen. It's becoming late. But
But yeah, is there anything else the community should know? I know you guys have a lot of things in store and and obviously as mentioned before they should follow you so they can keep themselves updated but Anything that you would like them to know already
I think, first of all, I'm glad that we're on your radar and more ingrained in the Cosmos ecosystem. And I think at this time, just stay tuned for updates, Brandon dropped some alpha before that I would
afraid to say so I didn't get my hands slapped but exciting things coming in the near term and we got a bunch of creative contest t-shirt designs we're gonna do a TikTok challenge next week so we're trying to be fun and lighthearted
around what is a really dense, important and technical area of crypto and Zetachain will decentralize over time. So everybody's contributions are appreciated and more to come on that
Right on. So with that, I would like to close this thing off. Thank you so much, SIDA chain for joining the Cosmos Club tonight. For anyone who has any follow-up questions, I invite you to
tweet in the we have a tweet with this with this space linked to this space on and you can you can add your comments in there and perhaps ask your questions if you had any follow-ups after this space and with that's thank you so much for the change
for joining tonight and all the best to you. Thank you Mark and the Cosmos Club. Top again soon. Yeah man we're having it. Thanks Mark. Stay safe guys. Cheers. Bye.