Hey everybody, starting the space five minutes early to let the audience trickle in.
How's it going Ruben? See, stake and relax. I'm going to invite you up here. How's it going, Amanda?
Neta Dow, thanks for showing up.
I should have messed up the music. I was hoping to give you guys something to listen to while we wait. You're a good talker. How's it going? All good? Good man, good. Awesome. Things are crazy.
in Turkey right now. I saw you post another earthquake there. Sorry to hear about that. Yes, super sad. Just the region that was affected by another earthquake. I think it was like 6.4 or something. So all the buildings that didn't collapse.
collapse now. Oh man. But thoughts and prayers go to those people man. I hope you don't have any of your family or friends affected by that. Yeah, luckily my family is in another place but situation there
I could only imagine. It's nice to see the prop up there for this bit, the relief funds for Turkey, for people that need help.
I think it's a really controversial proposal. Right now it seems that it doesn't go through. But it was a really rushed proposal, I admit that. But there are a lot of remaining questions. I'm happy to answer that.
Yes, yeah But yeah, I think the biggest question mark was why Syria was mentioned and The funds will be directed to an organization. We're working together with UNICEF and other organization and we are also in contact
with organization out of Syria, which especially helps children in Syria. So that organization is then distributing the money to other organizations, especially also to Syria. And that's not explicitly mentioned in the proposal, but if you go on the organization website you see they have like different
organization they helped. Yes, interesting. Yeah, no, we can definitely get more into that later on in the conversation. I thought we could start with some more generic questions, especially to get more information behind stake and relax validation.
So, wait another couple minutes before I start my list of questions here. Still waiting on Delray to show up too. Hopefully he's not too busy. I know it's later on in the night for him. I think it's about 9 p.m. for him where he lives.
Where does he live actually? I believe he lived in the Dominican, but I'd have to double check with him. We haven't spoken a while. That's why I was excited for this space is it's nice to catch up with all the people I met at the last Cosmo versus it's been too long. Yeah, definitely what time is it? Where you're at right now?
I'm Krunteens with Solent and in one minute we have 9 PM. Oh, okay. Okay. Welcome to me. How's it going, man?
Going well going well excited for this in my world. This is a
This is a chunk of time I get to carve out of my day and set aside for this, but it's also the closest to relaxing I'll get. So it's the best of both worlds. Yeah, I hear you. Yeah, no, this is normally I've prepared to interview like an actual project or team.
It's a lot more nerve-racking and much more preparation and I'm usually pretty nervous but this is like super chill. More of like a conversation that you can enjoy because sometimes I'll admit I'm not the most knowledgeable technically so.
I can get lost, kind of easy sometimes when things get super technical, you know. There we go. I mean, it's pretty easy in the Cosmos ecosystem, right? Because there are so many developments and so many new projects that coming up. So you can't even follow all of the projects to be honest. Yeah.
That's very true. Yeah, I also just like I personally find just chatting with friends to be like a good use of time like it doesn't always have to have anything extra to it Like personally I have a group of friends from as far back
back as high school or even before that. That like, we'll all still like game sometimes do like gaming online, but none of us really care about gaming anymore as adults. It is simply just an excuse to chat with a group of friends on Discord. Like the game is so secondary.
I know what I mean. It's good to just chat with your people and I definitely feel that in Cosmos too. Yeah, I know it's good to have a strong network of support in the community to keep everyone's mental health and check as well. So yeah, I totally agree, man. What's up Delray? How you doing, bro?
I'm going to find, I'm actually very happy to be here. Thank you Martin for when they saw them and I'm looking forward to chat with you. As far as the Cosmos community goes, I feel the same.
You see some projects, right? They have like their own people stuff, but most of the people are very helpful and the feeling is still collaborative in my opinion. You can see some drama now in the end, right? But over all the
I'm very happy to be chatting with you guys. We're very happy that you're here with us too man. Thank everybody here missed you. So yeah, without further ado, I'll jump into the
little intro I got here for Cosmos Spaces. I also see some other familiar faces in the crowd. What's up Jacob? Sky Monk. Ambedo, Mr. Fox, Andre, Kerberow. Thank you all for being here.
So yeah, my name is Marty for those who don't know me I'm a team member of Cosmo Spaces and I'll just give a brief summary of what we do in case we have any new listeners today So for those who don't know Cosmo Spaces runs bare metal validators and we are in the active sets of ebmos Osmo Juno
quick silver, nomic, stargaze, and comdex, and we are also on the inactive sets of Adam and Mars. Any delegations are much appreciated. We also have an IBC relay and the chains we relay include Adam, Axelar, Evmos, Juno, Kajira, Osmo, and Stride.
Cosmos Spaces loves to host community calls just like today where we chat and interview developers or other validators in the cosmos. We also recently released our Dora collection on Stargaze. If you like NFTs, I suggest you take a gander if you're into that. We're also in collaboration with OmniFlix for Cosmos Spaces Bad
images as well as testing their interactive videos on OmniFlix TV. We also do NFT, Share, and Chill spaces like later tonight with little gains, so check out our Twitter for the link if you want to set a reminder. We also build tools, for example, the Cosmo Space's Google Calendar, NFT Flex and Sam and Validator
monitoring tool which will be displayed on our new website that is currently being worked on and will be released soon. So don't forget to use our new Cosmos spaces calendar for all spaces related to the Cosmos. Today we will be interviewing Stake and Relax and I will be joined with my cohost Timmy from Spark IBC and Delray from
I'm staking. So Timmy and Delray, if you guys want to give a brief intro before we dive into questions for staking, relax. That'd be awesome. And then after the interview with Staking Relax, you can follow up with an open mic session if everyone's down or people have time. - Sure, do you want to go first, Timmy?
I was about to say age before beauty, but I know neither of those things about you. So, cool. Yeah, so I'm Timmy. You can see my personal account is the co-host up there. Co-Founder of Spark IBC. And basically what we do is we're also a validator. We valid it on quite a few chains and it's
It's super important to us, like we have phenomenal uptime, we've never been slashed, anything like that, but it's definitely not our sort of priority. It's actually kept kind of separate, which I actually think it should be. Like we have the validator side of what we do with its finances, upkeep employees, devs, and then sort of the other side of the stuff where
building. And so I guess what that is is we are slowly turning Spark IBC as an entity into sort of an umbrella like parent corporation. And so like right now we have the Spark IBC platform which is a chain agnostic funding platform, something kind of like
Kickstarter where projects who don't have a home base chain can come and run a campaign and work with us to source funding from private users out there as well as hopefully in the future and starting with something we're doing right now as well as like community pools and grants and stuff that will help kind of shepherd those people through.
Another thing that is sort of under the umbrella is that Air Drops 1 account and website that a lot of you might be familiar with here on Twitter that we marketed as an Air Drops thing because that brings the likes and the follows. But I'm really happy with how we've been able to actually use it as just a
Fairly unbiased, agnostic source of information. We often do validator lists, shoutouts to bring attention to the smaller vows that we think deserve it, including stake and relax pretty often. And then thirdly, we have Interchain Info, which is actually what we are running the campaign for on Spark IBC
right now if you want to contribute and today or tomorrow we'll be going on chain starting with the hub. We're going on the hub with a proposal for additional funding from the community pool. There's a ton of info on that posted on both the Timmy account and Spark so I don't want to take up time with that.
If you want to support that or look into it, that would be awesome. Please read up or reach out with any questions. I'm happy to answer or hop on a call. We will be looking for the community to help us meet the deposit on that. If you have a bunch of liquid atom or no someone does, that's not staked and bonded. That's the problem. We obviously have atom.
you might want to use to help us meet the deposit on that proposal, please reach out. We'd love to like chat. We can even set something up or in the absurd case that it somehow got no with vetoed, we'll reimburse people. Yeah, so that's where we're at and then what the interchaining foe is is a lot and I don't really want to take the
time away from staking or relaxed. But go look into it. You can play with it live now at innerchaininfo.zone and just maybe later in the AMA, if people have questions, I can dive into details. But yeah, that's me and what we're doing. Awesome. Well, my name is Bill Ray. I feel that Donald Nogh, which
are viewing this chat, happy to see these familiar faces. I work for a stake in its validator in 40 networks, so I work for the stake networks and are disciplining like six, seven testnets. I do content marketing and community do time. Well, yeah. Let's go.
Awesome, thank you so much guys for the intros. Just a friendly reminder if anybody wants to pin anything, feel free, you're more than welcome. So yeah, without further ado, let's jump into some questions for Stake and Relax if that's cool with you. Awesome, why don't you start
start with a quick introduction or background about you and your team and how they all came together or met or are you a one-man show? Yes. Thank you first of all for inviting me to the space and making it possible to talk publicly and at
to space. I'm usually not not a space guy, but super glad that you give me the opportunity to talk to the audience and introduce the signal relics. So maybe to the beginning of the signal relics, the earlier last year
I was writing a scientific paper about PUS chains and specifically network security and implications of PUS on the example of the Cosmos ecosystem. And there I did also some series with validators and delegators as well that a bigger
give away for all participants and could accumulate a lot of data. And in that time, I also strumble across the validator school, which was run from a post human picture to him. He basically teach me also the site from the validator business.
teach me also the technical side and I think around March the first bullet it was born it was the nomic chain and that's basically the first Maynets I was running and I was like in the middle of the thesis stress and of scientific
paper and I was like "yeah how should I name my well editor" and Crubocedo and me were like joking like "oh yeah steak and relax sounds cool" and then I was like building up this page basically and then I was like "oh what should fit to steak and relax" oh maybe a sloth because
They're sleeping all the time and it fits to that and Stake and Rolex basically brings that message across like to the delegators say, "Stake with us so you can relax." And Stake and Rolex basically so you can get your Stake and Rolex later that was the slogan.
And then after a while, some other welditator also from the school de-empt me basically and we like chatting back and forth and he was saying like, "Yeah, should we merge our welditators because I'm like more, more strong on the communication side and he was strong on the technical side."
And I think it was a perfect match. So he is doing mainly the tech side, big shout out to him. His manual, I think we can also take his Twitter later. So he is managing a lot of the tech stuff, running the software, the nodes, the IVs,
zero layer, etc. And so we could expand to more and more main nets. Right now we are validating on seven main nets, six of them are in the active set. Namely we are at Stride, Passage, Juno, Nomic, Chen for Energy and F-MOS.
And, EFMOS is just the recent one we went into the ActiveSets, think five days ago or something. And with Mars, we're still in the InactiveSet, be waiting till the set is expanding so we can also maybe hope into the ActiveSet. We're also running a serial test nets.
right now in the incentivized testnets of OCP4, where we are also currently leading in the dashboard on the number one of the participants. Then we're running also a noise testnet and a Juno testnet. And we're also running a several IVC-relayer.
And for every chain that we're running, we also plan right now to extend our PC notes so we can provide more services for the networks to validate. I hope that was not too long of an intro. No, that was perfect.
You answered three questions in a row, but that's okay. I got more of these, and that's perfect. No, that's a super informative view. Definitely sound like you contribute a lot to the ecosystem, and that's why I kind of wanted to do this. I wanted to try and help make more people aware of your validators and the services you provide to the ecosystem.
system, I feel like your type of presence is necessary in the ecosystem and without validators like you are providing so much to the cosmos. We need more people like you, you know, and more people to support you. So I'm very happy to have you here today, man.
Thank you for the kind of words. Really, really appreciate that. Also one thing that I want to mention. We also slash protected. We have public address basically where we have
where you can also track down all the wallets where we have four accruals. In case we get slashed, which we obviously want to avoid until now it didn't happen. And in the first
time of Juneau where we tried really hard to stay in the active set. We also reimbursed the delegators and supporters that delegated to us for that time we were in the active set and we still plan to do so.
Yeah, that's amazing. That's a good reason for your your motto, you know, the stake in relax. You don't have to worry when you stake with you, you know? Like just as an extra shout out for you.
I think that there are probably more validators that claim they will do that sort of stuff, or have slash protection or something similar, and don't. Then the ones who say that they do and actually follow through. It's like very...
easy-ish way to add a plus sort of appealing plus mark to your validator at a glance. And unfortunately a lot of people are not watching their stake like closely enough that they can be sure that's always happening. I've actually been
in the position before where I had to DM someone and be like, "Hey, why haven't I gotten your slash protection?" And only because of that did I get it. So for those that are actually following through with that sort of thing, and obviously it's all transparent on chain, not only is
it cool, but I kind of give it like an extra thumbs up because far too often that's used and abused by other validators. So really love to hear that. Thank you. Thank you very much. And for transparency reason, I just have to mention for FMOS, we just
topped up I think 750 FMOS which are not currently sufficient to protect all the funds. That's the reason because we got a lot of delegation in a really short time but in the next day we also topping that up and we'll also post about that.
Awesome. Thank you for that. Yeah, I was going to say Delray or Timmy if you guys ever want to step in or have questions comments Feel free to jump into during the conversation
actually just sort of curious. So like that that pot of funds is that just coming from your guys personal holdings or is that funded by commission rewards or half and half or like
That basically comes from me. From my personal accounts.
So I'm super transparent with that. I mean, you can track down my wallet. I'm just also filling my taxes for 2021. So I'm super transparent about everything.
You know, I know, yeah, very respectable. And another thing is that the email manager to compound my knowledge, you know, that's a very vulnerable public service you have. I hope you compound your knowledge today as well. Yeah.
Yeah, I don't want to ask because you mentioned you were in the inactive set on bars if I'm only staying and can you maybe? Sure, there's dogs on bars briefly having a chance to like deeply. Oh, wait, then maybe anybody can just get a dog's name.
Yeah, I think Mars is a really strong project and in my opinion one of the major competitors to Umi. Also bullish on Umi, also bullish on Mars. For Umi we couldn't chip in enough funds to go into the active set and our strategy
with our validator is to focus on major chains or on chains that we really like and did our due diligence and especially we focus on new chains that just launch because we just have greater chances to get into the active set or establish our
or a validator because right now for example let's take the example on a Cosmos hub it's impossible for a new validator to get in right you need what a half million dollars of funds or really rich friends to get in and it's just not feasible like with many
Many many minutes we were actually in loss so we paid to validate and now with FMOS we like more less break even. But so we're basically paying to to validate and with Mars we just want to get in and we're bullish on it.
if that answers your question. Yeah, that's great.
Awesome. I see a couple more familiar faces in the audience. What's up Tank? What's up Scotty? How's it going Finn?
The next question I had for you, Stake and Relax, was how did you get into crypto originally? Before you were writing that paper, were you invested at all, or when did your crypto journey start?
really great question. Early 2017, before the bull cycle basically and the hype and everything, I was studying my bachelor's business administration
And I was always focused on investing and wanted to make money with investing, etc. And actually CryptoCito and me, we started our crypto journey together.
We smoked shisha together and then we talked about crypto and we started trading on different platforms. It was like Ether Delta, so even the time before Uniswap, we traded like a lot of shitcoins, made all mistakes that you can do like Samsung.
some bitcoins into into nothing like in an address that nobody knows. So like I'm in the industry since 2017 basically was always following it was always in Westats with more than 90% of my of my
private funds. I think it was just like a super super interesting topic. Also did a lot of presentations in school, write my bachelor's thesis even about tokenization of real estate, interviewed a lot of
blockchain companies there and it like it catch me once I get addicted and it lever let me go and now I've finished my masters banking and finance and I want to make it my major career path
That's amazing. How did you find the Cosmos ecosystem? I mean, I presume that when while you and crypto-seto were trading, you eventually stumbled upon Adam and Osmo one day, yeah? Exactly.
Becudos to him. He was the guy who found cosmos and basically tracked me in and we started like investing. We got the Juno Adrop, we got the Osmo Adrop and you know how it is with Adrop.
Once you get it, you get addicted and then you get invested basically in almost every coin and a Cosmos ecosystem and then you dig deeper and make your research and just stick somehow in the Cosmos ecosystem.
Cool man, cool. The next question I know you told me before there's nothing precise that you can answer when I ask this but I just thought in general. Are you helping or involved with organizing Cosmoverse 2023? Yeah, for
In 2023, I am basically the Turkish Community Manager. As I can also speak Turkish, I am like a major focus on the Turkish Community, which are super great.
They're like super active super knowledgeable and super high-tech crypto in general as well and Now we want to bring cosmos to Turkey So this year I'm also involved in cosmos last year I couldn't because I wrote my paper and this year I will helping as well
That's awesome and you must be pretty excited Yeah, super proud that it's in my home country basically Yeah, yeah, no, that's amazing I've never been to Europe at all so I'm excited because I'm planning to attend so one of the things I'm looking forward to the most is the
food there. I've never tried this Turkish food or food from there. So what's the food like? You're gonna gain so much weight there. So like they're really meat heavy. So if you're vegan, you have less choices.
But there also we begin options but I would strongly recommend you to like me. Oh, I love me. That's the major. 100%
bro. We're gonna make a relaxed session. Small chisha. Yeah, I like that. I'll definitely participate. What's the weather like?
right now it's basically winter so it's suburbanium cold especially in Istanbul but around the time where the customer worst will happen it will be warm
and sunny hopefully nice what's the nightlife for entertainment like there so a lot of people may be presumed that Turkey is like super religious
and there's no party if you drink alcohol you will get a lot of stress basically but they're like bars everywhere like even next to the mosque and everywhere so the party in nightlife it's
It's huge. You can have really crazy nights there and really expensive nights as well. So you have from normal bars to huge nightclubs to nice tisha bars with dancing areas like
I was in Istanbul two weeks ago to check for the venues with Basil and Sito and we found the Shisha place basically. We smoked Shisha upstairs and downstairs is nightclub.
Awesome bro. Yeah, I know that sounds fun. You know, I want to ask you, do you have any other project online in the Cosmos ecosystem?
You mean to validate on? Yeah. That's also a really good question right now. We're focusing basically on providing more services for all the changes.
we validate on but we have some plans for new chains that will be also definitely announced. We're looking really focused like we're really looking forward for
Celestia. We're super hyped about Celestia. I think it's a super great project. But it's still in testnets and I think it will become really really hard to get into the mainnet as well.
Oh yeah, almost be pretty far from the next one man.
Yeah, yeah, I mean for you it should be easy right, we're staking.
You should get straight straight to the main head
Do you just take and relax work alongside or with nomic or stride at all? I just I've noticed when we met in Columbia I saw you working on some graphics that looked like it was for stride or something and I noticed for the
No, I just wanted to provide some value or tutorial or something because I think Nomeg is one of the underrated projects. Obviously, it's like now one year since they basically had their first ad-rock.
But you have to imagine as well, it's a really small team. It's two to three people and they basically have to write the whole cosmos SDK from scratch in Rust. So I think what I could recommend to a re-nomikens, stay patient, compound, currently not working
together with NOMIC. I'm just a community guy, a validator that really likes the project. And for strides, I'm also not working together with them. I was in the validator console for the Hostchain Atom where I was with four other
validators and we had the chance to validate or like to score basically the contributions of the validators and because of this the delegation for the atom for the liquid spectatum were done.
Cool cool Yeah, no, I was just curious about that. So that's interesting man. It's nice of you to provide that extra information and services for these projects Hope eventually they'll start compensating you you know
I don't know if I actually understood that's exactly what NOMI was doing. They're rewriting, they're doing the rust version of the SDK or Avery-Promising questions.
So what Nomeg is doing basically, they want to build a bit coverage, right, the native bit coverage with NBTC. And they don't write that in the normal language which is used in the
normal customers SDK basically, so they write everything from scratch in Rust, the whole customer's SDK. And it's a lot of work. It's the reason why the explorers also don't give so much information. Right.
Okay, that's been something I've heard discussed a lot more and more recently. It's picking up traction, the idea of doing the Cosmos SDK, which is written, go right now, and redoing it in Rust, which is why
but cause them blossoms based on just to kind of bring it more in line with the rest of our stack. I didn't know that it was like a dynamic, one of my favorite projects actually was basically like doing that and just going ahead with it as their main thing, not even as an experiment. So that's super cool.
Yeah, and I think that's it's one of the things that a lot of people underestimate and say like hey Like is that a scam project or why they don't launch is that a rock? But I totally understand that it takes a lot of time especially if you just like two or three deaths that working on that
I think it should be pointed out more. Obviously I agree with a lot of voices from the community that the communication part is not the best, but that's where I come in and try to chip in as much as I can and provide
the community with all the information I have or I could gather. I think Nomek was a really good example. If you really dive deeper down into a project, you can get to the top of knowledge and it really can provide
to the community as well. And for example, in a cost-mouse hub, it's super difficult to do so because it has a huge history and it gets super complicated and with a young project like Nomek, it's easier to do so.
Thank you for that, man. My next question was actually what are some of your favorite projects in the ecosystem? I think you guys started covering that. Sorry, Delray, were you going to say something? No. I just wanted to say that.
You know, it takes time to build a stuff writer and make it personally
I don't know how to write, not even a line of code, right? And I don't like complain when people don't ship. I just wait and relax, right? People want to think time to be the stuff. And sometimes you see some great steak.
more than others and if you start to look like deep down you can just realize in some things and it can be that maybe one team got more funding than the other team maybe one team has more people than the other team you know what I mean
Yeah, definitely. Are there any other projects that you guys love right now that are your favorite? Yeah, obviously all the chains we will
date for. Good answer. Would you think you would ever start your own crypto project or is validating enough for you?
Maybe not in the new future because I don't have any idea that would make sense for a crypto project. And I think that's also something a lot of people have to understand. Not every idea is made to be like a crypto project.
I see a lot of people say, hey, yo, I have a nice idea, I just make a crypto project, sell the tokens, get rich. So in my opinion, that doesn't make sense, you have to find an idea that really makes sense on blockchain.
then you also have to be applicable that it needs tokens because you can also make a crypto project with all tokens. I think a lot of people are not even aware of that.
What the whole ecosystem, not just Cosmos needs is education. And I think that's where we're used with Cosmos basis, Spark, IBC, Delray, and all others can contribute a lot. And you do that actually, and really appreciate that.
We appreciate the kind words, man. That's nice of you to say that. Tari, I go ahead to me. I want to just echo that. I have like such a strong opinion here. Like personally, I have been involved with crypto since like Bitcoin was
single digits. I got seriously involved when it was like in triple digits and then like, you know, heavily like literally spending all my free time in it, really one cosmos launched with IBC. And I'm a very like builder or
oriented person like in just growing up in my life like I like to build things. And so for years and years and years, I obviously wanted to build a crypto thing of some kind. But luckily, I also feel like I'm the type of person that had the foresight to be like,
Okay, yeah, I could just build a dogebunk. I could just build another deck somewhere or a new take on an NFT platform. I could take some half-assed idea and give it some appealing tokenomics and just make a bunch of money that way. But what I've always been in crypto for is
not making money necessarily, but truly because I think the tackle changed the world. And so I just never like had that idea. And so I'd been involved for crypto so long with like all my friends and family being like, how is this still just a side thing for you? Like you're working a boring fiat job.
this is all you talk about and think about. And the answer was like just what's taken a relax was saying, that just because like you want to do that and it's possible with like the infrastructure out here doesn't mean that you should. Like honestly, you need to wait for a very specific
that hits you and as you think through it and talk about it with friends or whoever else, it just starts to make more and more sense and you realize you've like tapped into some niche that is really important and untapped. And if and when you like get to that, you're going to be so happy that you didn't
bark on a half-assed idea earlier because who knows where you'd be now. Like if I had just spun up some shitcoin for fun or an NFT thing or some fairly standard DeFi product, I mean I'm sure I would have thought of some new like edge to give it or feature, but it would have been nothing that's changed
the game, that in that much of a sense. Like if I had done that, I'd probably wouldn't be here during Spark and Interchained Info, which I like fully believe is incredibly crucial and important and the most important idea I've ever had. So like I just, I haven't actually heard that
I just like start throwing up emojis and needed to jump in because it's so true we live in this landscape that is full of possibility like the entire appeal of cryptos that it's the only
We live in a day and age where there's no Wild West. For non-Americans, that sort of a term that described when literally the West part of America was undiscovered land, at least to Europeans, obviously there were natives there.
unknown. There was stuff to explore. Now, short of being an astronaut or like a deep sea diver, we don't really have unknowns to explore. And that's part of the appeal of crypto, I think. Like it's just this, it is the last bastion of like something new.
is going to come from this and we all kind of know even if we never put a finger on it that we want to be a part of that. So like I just encourage people to take that thinking into the more conscious and less subconscious and be like okay we're here to do something new and revolutionary. There's no need to
jump the gun so to speak and like just jump into the first project you think of when the idea hits you that is gonna be your like passion or whatever it'll hit you hard and you'll know about it you'll you won't be any doubt of like is this what I should do is this worth pursuing
Yeah, I kind of got off the rails there a little, but I just like empathize so much with what you're saying, and it's a topic I'd never really hear touched on, that there's so much potential and possibility for project, but
But not everything needs to be a token. Not everything just needs to be the new appealing version of the last popular thing. And I think the more thinking we have like that, the better we're going to be in the end.
I totally agree to him. Thanks for sharing that man. The more the merrier when you guys jump in and add to the conversation, it's awesome. I love hearing different perspectives and
experiences from other people that work very hard in this space, man. We respect the work you do too and you inspire a lot of people, bro. So keep it up. We love your story.
I just wanted to take a minute to say to if there's any other builders or validators or developers who want to come up and share their experience. The open mic will be soon, so I totally
Applaud anyone who wants to come up and join the chat otherwise I still have some more questions we can keep diving into for the meantime I Thought this would be a good general topic for all of us to discuss but
Just at this point in time, what do you guys think are some of the biggest strengths of the cosmos hub and the biggest weaknesses right now?
Tell Ray if you want to answer it or should I answer it or whoever wants to jump in first the floor is yours. I think I think that right you go
You go first. It's all right. I don't mind going first. But I really think that the question was meant for you, but nowhere is. Oh, first of all, let me see. That's a great question, Martin.
I will start with the weaknesses.
that I see, but they are not witnesses at the end of the day because what you see in the internet sometimes you try to look like what is bad in the post-mossifico system and you see many people saying like the community is fragmented, the
is fragmented, whatever. But you don't see too much negatives on the technology. I don't see like people talking about that have other technology, any issues with the code, things like that. It works. It hasn't stopped since it launched.
as far as I understand. So yeah, maybe I thought I was talking about weakness, but no, it's actually a strength. Maybe people are just confused, right? That fragmented liquidity on people. Yeah, it has importance, right?
But I believe as far as crypto project goes, maybe you got to get the technological side like address speaks and without any issues. And then you can start thinking about the economic side of your network or talking if that makes sense.
I totally agree with you that the tech side of cosmos is super, super strong and especially the IVC technology. I think that's one of the biggest strengths that cosmos has and it's usually also
a really welcoming community. If some deaths want to build something, you just reach out to another death and say, "Okay, I have a question about that," or even what it is just between each other. Obviously, there's some kind of rivalry, but you see, for example, here
like three, four, or validators together and talking and try to bring the whole cosmos ecosystem forward, right? So I would say this is the major, major surplus and major strength of cosmos in general. And maybe a weakness, especially if the cosmos
hop. I wouldn't say it's the governance itself. I would just say like that sometimes governance proposal which could be also really good but sometimes it gets like discussed way too much and don't get straightforward. It's like oh we
could do like this, we could do like this, we could do like this, we could do like this. So then you have 50 opportunities to do or 50 ways to do it. But in the end, I think if you want to reach something, you go forward and like, this is something that I don't like because sometimes it becomes toxic.
and like this discussions which are really good becomes like not in a constructive discussion and becomes like more insulting. So like hey you did this so that's the reason I don't like you I vote you prop down and you don't look like objective on
something right. So this is maybe a weakness but on the other side the community is great, the tech is great and I think we are well prepared for an expo run and the Cosmos ecosystem is going to pump out no
I want to say that just to close it out is that even though we know and love some cool projects in the post-Poseco system, it's good to be aware that not old projects are going to make it guys. It's better to add that.
That's true. Right now in cosmos, luckily we didn't have too many scams. Obviously it was super, super pity what happened with such chain, which is in my opinion or in my knowledge
one of the first projects that really failed and shut down. I think Dick was also one, but there's like really few projects compared to the huge
your mind, the building on cosmos. So be aware, everything can go to zero. Just have that in mind. Do you own research? Then you're good to go.
Yeah, I agree. I believe Cerberus chain is actually shutting down or closing very soon as well. True, true. So it's a third project. No, but I mean, we have now what 52 minutes, 56 minutes. I can't even keep track anymore.
That's what map of zones is handy for our own That's true and even in map of zones like on minskam As far as I know there's not even all of the projects and testnets What I love to use
is minscan to have a really nice overview of the fastest stats that I know. And then if I want to check out new testnets or like new projects that are not listed there, I usually go to pingpup. Big shout out to them as well. I also really love their page.
Yeah, I noticed people were utilizing that tool when showing that a bunch of people hadn't upgraded the last Cosmos hub upgrade properly showing a lot of red blocks that was
pretty nerve-wracking. I'm sure for quite a few validators there the other week.
Did you guys see that? Yeah, it was really crazy. I think the mistake there or what happened there is a lot of validators use Cosmos Pfizer and I think there was some kind of hiccup.
and it didn't went through automatically with some validators and some just saw that way too late and that's the reason why they were offline. I think even two validators were still jailed or something.
and now new validators came in. So this is also for all delegators. Make sure to not only do it on research for a change that you're going to invest in, but also do your research for validators.
to and keep track what the validator is doing. If they're still active or if they're doing their upgrades on time or do they miss a lot of blocks. So it's also one component to consider.
Yeah, that's something I'm still always wondering about. I know there's I believe the yield most
sends out alerts per se if you're delegating to a validator that gets jailed or bumped to the inactive set, they actually send you an email to notify you. And I wish there was a more
public available tool for lack of a better way of putting it just to you know raise awareness when because there's a lot of people I don't know about you guys but I get
you know, governments and delegating or compounding exhaustion sometimes like I used to do it every day and eventually it got to the point where it's like do I really need to be doing this every day like it's taking a couple hours up life's short. Yes you have to. Absolutely.
No, I know what you mean, though. I've seen the numbers and it does drop percentages day by day. So it is very important. It's just sometimes when life gets in the way and you get busy. I've got a kid and I work my full-time day job at the government and I'm trying to actually get
another job full time in Web 3 and eventually leave the government. So sometimes I just get super busy, you know, but it is a it's a good habit to get into doing that every day for sure. My point is, I guess I wish Kepler
I had something available right now that notifies you because there's a couple times where I'm holding smaller bags from airdrops a certain chains and when I originally delegate I wait a couple months and then check in on it but that validator may be inactive or I'm not earning rewards for months at a time you know so
Yeah, I totally agree with you. And I think one of the dangers that come with restaking and yield most, which are obviously really great tools. If you like an active cosmonaut, keep track on the governance.
is that you get lazy, right? You're like, "Oh yeah, everything is compounding. I don't have to track anymore." And then maybe you validate or that you delegate to becomes an active and you don't earn any rewards anymore.
more. So this is one of the danger sites of restaking and dealness but I totally agree if you like a hostel like you have two jobs, everyday compounding could be really no fricking.
Yeah, no, I know eventually there'll be a lot more user-friendly experiences with this stuff we're talking about now, but It'll all come in time. It takes time to build things, right? These things can't just happen overnight and there's other roadblocks and issues people
are dealing with currently anyway. But it's still a general one. It's a interesting topic. It's good to see at least visually, campers being getting better and better by the day. And also means can men are remembered like the first days before we didn't have like that dashboard, right?
I mean, if you're happy like long enough, you actually see that a few good applications are standing out now. Now it's, it's your task maybe to find out what are those apps, but they are there in the ecosystem. I mean, I've seen some beautiful apps to be honest. The Kujita ones.
beautiful, right? Or got home? And what's the other one? Well, most of the experience using those most is it's something I mean, it's it's a joy, like I like to call it, right? And the same cap and that that I've mentioned before. So, so yeah.
100% and I think like Kepler, Minsk and there's even a thing a Twitter bot that tells you when like somebody gets slashed even and a lot of new projects and working
on on dashboards and notifications for that problem that you set. I just wanted to ask you guys which tools are you using to monitor stuff, for example,
I'm also using observatory allot to check stats for my validator using minskan, using pinpup, using smartsteaks tools, but which kind of tools are you using?
I know that we specifically use minskan and pingpub the most often. There is also, I personally am not directly involved with the people that manage the validating on Cosmos spaces, but I do know that they are actually working on a validator tool.
I'm familiar with PingPub. I think the main feature, and I haven't checked PingPub myself in a while, so correct me if I'm wrong. But I think we wanted to add a lot of variables where you could actually filter the results of the validators you see.
other search or query that enables different things that is already available. But other than that, I'm not sure if they use Observatory or SmartStake, but that's a good question. I was hoping somebody else from the team like Trickier Eric could hop on, but Gaines is asleep right now.
Maybe if there's a space in the future that question could be answered. What about Timmy or Deli? I'm in a kind of similar position. I'd be happy to put you in touch with our dev guys, take a relax if you just want to exchange ideas and see what tools are out there. But I personally really just handled the guy
governance of our validators. I would imagine Dell's in the same boat. I know neither here or I are dev people. But I know we use a number of the tools you mentioned. There's one or two custom things we have or semi-custom. I think some other validators use
I couldn't give you much info on, but I'm sure he'd be able to. Personally, I also use Mintscan and PingPomp as you described. Recently, when I was figuring out multi-chain funding proposal for
interchained info, I wanted to just look at all the chains and the cosmos as well as their community pools. And minscan was missing quite a few. So pingpub's awesome. It's one guy that runs it too. So I actually want to do like a spark campaign for them at some point. I think pingpub needs way more attention. They do really good work. And also just
That's something like a explorer is like a perfect place for the whole competition breeding innovation and like improvement thing. So if min scan can really have some like competition from pingpub pingpub can get
some more support, just average daily users, I think it just make them both strive to do better. So, got out ping-pong. >> That's crazy. I didn't notice that's one guy that's -- >> Yeah! >> -- that's huge.
Yeah. So we definitely want to do a Spark campaign, but just in general, like if you're going to post a link on Twitter to something on chain, make it a ping-pump link next time. Like that's free marketing. Doesn't hurt you. Helps them. Helps to like show there's competition and mid-scan should keep innovating. Yeah. Big support.
the ping-pub guy. Hey Eric, I didn't see you there man. The profile pic and the name change tricked me bro. My bad. I was in the corporation. Taking over. So we have three DevOps and
One of them who runs our governmental validators they use instrument that they created called ValMon which is the validator monitor and that's what Marty was talking about where you can filter your validator and just like see you know like what's going on there. I know that our other
a validator who runs using Hexmer uses like all the bots, like there's a bot in Telegram that will give you information like we have a bot channel that tells us whenever a validator is down or there's like missing blocks, there's also one on Discord that we use and I know that our Comdix and E
money validator Jonathan, he created his own dashboard and so he just gets like notifications to his phone based off this little alert system that he created and that's how he monitors is. So we have you know three different guys I like to do with three different things so it's pretty neat to just get to see what they all do.
That sounds really good. I think monitoring is also a key role to run your validator and to track down your network because sometimes you have to, especially for example in FMOS, you have to react really fast, right? So monitoring is super important.
Yeah, 100% hey, I have to run at the top of the hour. So I want to squeeze this in in four minutes on the monitoring front for the average user question to everyone on stair two part question to run on stage one. Is there some kind of tool out there that you guys use?
or would recommend that could like send me a text alert when something starts unbonding in a wallet. Like I'm thinking of exploit protection just like if I ever get hacked it'd be good to know about it as soon as possible potentially save my bonded assets. And question two, if not, is that something you'd feel comfortable
using given that you would have to provide an email or a phone number or something like that. I could just do an email so you could do a throw away one, but you might not check the throw away one as much as you know is blah blah blah. Because if the answer to the first question is no, I think I can get something like this built very easily and simply, and so I'm wondering if people would use it.
I think that would be super useful especially like obviously there's one utility that you mentioned like if you get hacked and it gets unwanted but also
Also, for example, if you just unbond your stuff by your own, if you don't make you a notification you calendar by your own, just maybe forget that after two or three weeks that you had like some certain sunbonding.
So this would be a cool I would use personally. Okay, cool. Yeah, I totally agree. I I and bond pool and yeah, if even if there's like a reminder 24 hours before it unbond so you can plan to be at the computer at that time later that day, I think that's a great idea.
Okay, awesome. Yeah, I have a couple non ledger wallets and so I just always kind of think about this. Some of them are set up where everything auto compounds and I don't even like check them more than once every like week or even months sometimes. So I'm always thinking like, hmm, it's really good if I can set up an alert system.
Yeah, definitely I'm not sure who you do the auto compound or restake through but I know yield most has email alerts. I just don't know How in detail they are how you know what they cover if it's just if they fall in the inactive set or you know what I mean
I don't I've never used it myself so I wouldn't be able to give all the details but I think what you're saying is like a generic one where it's not just for restake or auto compound - yeah, but honestly I like the yield maybe I chat with the yieldmost team and see if they would just want it
extend that feature set to be more generalized. And then we could include that in our stuff on Spark to promote it. I think that can be considered. They clearly already have the basic infrastructure of an automated email alerting system set up.
cool. I usually love to chat extra but I have to run. This has been awesome and I'll hopefully be able to join for the next one. Absolutely man. Yeah, we're just super great to talk with you. Thank you. Thanks Timmy. We always appreciate your time and hope you're having a
good day man. Delray if you got to run two bro no worries at all. Appreciate your time as well. It's really nice catching up with you guys. One hundred percent man. Let's do it again sooner right? Yeah I would love to. We'll make sure to keep in touch bro.
Um, well I have a couple questions left. I don't know if you have any plans soon, but I thought we could talk a little more before we close the show. Uh, stake and relax. That's cool with you. Sure. Bookier time. Awesome. Awesome. Uh,
I mean, I guess the last couple of questions here was more just general topics. I know you touched briefly on the earthquakes in Turkey earlier, but is there anything else you wanted to talk about about that or surrounding the prop for relief funds?
So for the prop, maybe I can mention tomorrow there's gonna be a space also with a famous actor who is also supporting donations and earthquake, the earthquake situation in general. I will try to tune in
I have another call, I think shortly after the call begins, but I will be in that call. I can also share with you guys. And what I can say around the prop 101 in the Cosmos hub is if you have any questions, just feel free to shoot
out to my private account, TriploChark here, or shoot me a message here. I'm happy to answer all your questions. I know it was a super rush proposal. It wasn't on a forum beforehand what it should be, but the reason for that is that
Basically every second counts, especially now where the second big earthquake hits. The people need food, the people need warm clothes and if the funds arrive faster they can get like foods and warm clothes and everything they need, way way faster.
Then setting up the proposal in the forum for two weeks, waiting again two weeks. It's just time that goes by that is unnecessary for all the affected people. And that's the reason for this quick action.
Yeah, I know it's cool to see using governance and crypto to help families and people out in situations like that because it's pretty devastating to see the news and I could only imagine what those people are going through. So I personally voted yes and I'm in full support of it for the record.
appreciate that. Thank you. And I know some of the people said like yeah now we have to fund every catastrophic that happens in the world. But for that if you really go through that proposal you will see there will be also charity now that will basically manage all other proposals.
that will be requested from the community hub and maybe they can even manage somehow to get other funds to help out for other catastrophic around the globe. That's pretty cool. I wasn't aware of that. Maybe they could possibly work with Angel Alliance.
I know they do a lot of charity work in the Cosmos space. So maybe that's something in the future. Those entities could get in contact and work together. That'd be pretty cool. And I think that's a great idea too for collecting funds for any kind of catastrophe that people want to donate to.
not necessarily everyone has to but if people want to I don't see why there's an issue with that you know I totally support it myself anyway. I also totally see like that a lot of people say like hey this is a community fund this fund should go to developers or think on the other side Turkey has a great crypto community
community and they're also well-educated. Obviously a lot of them are a lot of traders. I don't know if you know that, but 90% of the trading volume of our lunch came out of Turkey. So Turkey is basically really advanced in the crypto ecosystem.
And they also have a lot of young talented steps. And I mean, if you show like a bit of support for Turkey, it could help them with donation. You also get like basically their sympathy. And then the customers will be there, the HGJN over there. So we basically could also establish
the whole customer's ecosystem in Turkey, which then in the end benefits the customer's ecosystem because think once that I had, what if there's the new seki-manian that comes from Turkey and also builds crazy projects or next
Jackson pulling or next Jacob get it or next if a bookman that comes out of Turkey and can really bring us next like a step further and that's how I think and I think that's I think that a lot of people don't consider even or don't thought of
Yeah, no, I totally agree.
The last thing I was going to ask you before we wrap things up here, the market's been going to get your personal opinion. Are you a bull or a bear right now? Where do you think the market's going in the near future? And I obviously know you're a long-term believer, but short-term where do we go from here?
I think it doesn't matter as long as you're speaking with like that's a good answer. I love it. Yeah, I know exactly research. Do you research, pick trustworthy validators like stinking relax. Wookie appreciates
delegation and your tokens are safe with him. Exactly. So yeah man I think that's a great way to end the show. Do you have any closing statements for the audience or anything you want to share before we end the spaces? I just appreciate
it's the possibility to hop on a call with you, had a nice chat with you. And if somebody has a question from the audience, feel free to ask now, or if you're too shy to speak up in the audience, what I sometimes even also
have just shoot at the end. Happy to talk with you. Join the Telegram channel, stay in your legs and happy to answer all your questions. If you even like a guy that wants to spin up on validator,
Want to learn the technical side or like the humanitarian side shoot me a message. Happy to teach you everything. I know and Let's level up customers. Yeah, I love that. Let's level up cosmos man. Let's uh
make cosmos jump to the top you know top five top ten crypto in the world. I think it has potential to it to be honest. Yeah I know I agree. One last thing before we go though actually I almost forgot I had a question.
Do you think there is a possibility of a volunteer program for Cosmos 2023? Because I feel like I mean I don't personally really care how much funds were spent on 2022. I had the time of my life and will carry those memories with me forever but
Maybe if some people have a problem with how much money is being spent, I personally have been involved in volunteer programs for other crypto. One example is, I don't know if you remember A on, but they are about an interoperability. And then back in 2019, they had a volunteer program.
A lot of the heavy lifting and grunt work was done for free. They just gave the volunteers a free ticket to the conference and lunch or whatnot. But I personally think that's a great idea. I already reached out to Crypto Sito, but if you like it, I would love to get as many people from the community involved.
And that would be something else to be super excited about and look forward to. You mean for a customer? Yes, yeah, in Turkey. Yeah, for a customer is the volunteer program. I have to check with the team and talk about that, but what I know
and can certainly say is that for for deaths for like for people that study shoot us a message we have like last year we had the contigant for students and deaths which got the tickets for free because we also want to support the deaths and also
students and maybe like people they don't can afford tickets but it's obviously also the major mission of Cosmores. It's the reason why their tickets, ticket prices are always so low. I think the first batch is like around 50 bucks or below 50 bucks and
I think that's something if you compare it with other conferences like Solano conference for example They are like what for digits for tickets for like one or two days So I think with with Cosmores you probably eat more than the ticket will cost and then you get like
nice connections, nice peaks, a great time. So I think the prices are pretty fair. But anyways, we have like a contigant for for deaths and students. But it will be all announced like publicly and officially. That's just what I know right now.
Awesome, man. Thank you so much again for your time today. I really appreciate you coming out to tell everybody about all the stuff you do for the ecosystem and we all appreciate your services as well.
I hope everyone here is having a great day. Thanks for everybody who tuned in. Without the audience, we wouldn't be able to do these spaces. So with that being said, I hope everybody enjoys the rest of their day and don't forget, there's another space is coming up later.
tonight with little gains. It's an NFT share and chill spaces and that starts at 7.30 p.m. EST. So hopefully we'll see some more people later tonight and take care everyone. Talk again soon.
Yeah, thank you everyone.