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COVID LOCKDOWNS: Gov't Collusion with Social Media Platforms
Recorded: June 3, 2023 Duration: 0:59:19Space Recording
Short Summary
The conversation primarily revolves around the COVID-19 pandemic, discussing the effectiveness and consequences of lockdowns, government interventions, and the role of media and misinformation. Participants share insights on the impact of lockdowns on mental health, economic factors, and the spread of the virus, with varying opinions on the necessity and execution of these measures. The discussion also touches on the influence of international organizations like the WHO and the potential implications for future pandemics.
Full Transcription
Hey, Sway, man, I think you should start treating these intro sections like you do, the subscriber spaces.
Just totally go all out.
You know, get your anger out before the space starts.
And, you know, you can shit-talk people that are still in the audience.
Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, this is the problem that you have.
You think that this, when I engage with the people, it's out of anger, but it's not, it's out of love.
Yeah.
When I give people an opportunity to hear my voice.
No, it's not even tough love.
I'm giving people an opportunity to learn, an opportunity to be educated,
to be in a state of bliss by just hearing what I have to entertain them with.
That is not anger.
That is love.
Salim, don't be too humble, sorry.
I try my best.
I try my best to humble myself at all times.
Bro.
Can you hear me?
Yep.
Yeah, we can hear you.
Unfortunately.
Sully,
Sush.
Look, man, I'm sleep deprived and shit, so I won't talk much, but I can tell you.
I just want to say one thing for the entire space and that's it.
I've learned that you're a fraud, bro.
That everything you say you don't mean and that you're full of shit.
This is fake news, disinformation.
Everything I say is based on what I believe.
I never, ever state in even aorta of information that I do not believe.
If I ever want to start a cult, you're the guy that's going to lead it.
I promise you that.
That I promise you.
I would never be part of a cult
because I would never manipulate a population
but the people will automatically agree to my...
Yo, yo, can you tell the audience?
How was our Andrew Tate video?
Tell the audience.
What did we...
What happened to?
It was so...
long. I'm dying. It was like...
We had...
We were meant to...
We do it for Rumble.
We'd probably tweet a bit of small clips here and there.
It was meant to be a response video to a 30 minute clip.
An interviewer, Andrew Tate, like him or not, he crushed the BBC interviewer, more than Elon did.
It was fun to watch.
But after five to ten minutes of watching it, me and Sleman went off at each other,
genuinely one hour, which involved yelling in true anger.
Sleman wasn't angry, just very stubborn.
And I got really upset.
You were screaming, bro.
You were screaming.
Bro, the stuff you were saying was ridiculous.
Like, don't say it here.
I don't know what you're going to include in it, but it's fucking mental.
The shit you're saying.
Mario, I thought you two were already part of a cult
because you guys only wear all black
in your videos. He also wears
only all black? Yeah, both you too.
That was one video. This is the problem with liberals
Mario. We did one video. Look at his profile picture. We did one video
Mario. Listen, this is the problem with liberals like Joe. We did one
video where you were black and I wore black and now Joe is like
you all always wear black. You're part of a black cult? No, it's adding
Dr. Satcha, Dr. Lee and Sabine, you've never been on a space with Suleiman Kohosti.
You may know Nick, but not Suleiman.
So, oh, so Dr. Sabine, I'll take it back.
She sent me a beautiful DM.
She's very, we have a problem.
Bro, bro.
I was about to tell the two doctors, Dr. Lee and Dr. Chathyaan, I think.
I was about to tell them, give them a heads up, like, hey,
Suleiman is not me.
Like, just be prepared for some shit to go down.
And no shit, I promise you, bro.
As soon as I started speaking, Dr. Chichan already left, man.
I don't know what the fuck he said.
He's already gone.
Just for the record, he lasted 20 seconds.
But Dr. Lee, please don't go.
He's not as bad as he sounds right now.
He's actually a good co-host and a relatively logical guy.
If anything, Swayman, needs a doctor.
so we need dr satsya back i'm completely logical but i will push back on some of the points you make
and joa has learned whenever he makes anecdotal examples we have to call him out on it and that's how it
works never again all right i'll let you kick it off sully i mean nick i'll let you kick it off i can give a recap as well
but nick's intros are so good
They really engage the audience.
So please, Nick, go ahead with your introduction.
Hell no, I just got home. I'm still doing my research. Go ahead.
Terrible introduction.
Do not.
And this is the problem.
But don't worry. I will step in for you, Nick.
And I will provide the audience with an introduction.
So we know about COVID.
We know about the COVID lockdowns.
We know about the COVID vaccine.
We know about the COVID censorship, the censorship that occurred both on social media and mainstream media when it came to COVID.
That's one side of the argument.
Okay.
The other side of the argument is that this was an important,
these were important moves to make to keep people safe
to ensure that the virus didn't spread
and whatever other lame excuses everybody else has got.
Now, coming back to the court, what happened,
the question now is why did we decide to do with space today?
So in the United Kingdom, some information has come out.
And although it's specific to the United Kingdom,
What a brilliant message from Preston.
I'll read that out.
Keep the messages coming.
Excellent.
Audience comments will always be read when they're brilliant.
If they praise me, like Preston has just done saying that this show,
Soleiman is the show that is so true.
They'll be read.
But keep your comments coming.
It's bottom right inside.
And we will engage with the comments, even if they're not about me and they're specifically about COVID.
But sorry, coming back to the point, in the United Kingdom,
We found out that there was secretly,
the UK government agency worked with Meta, Twitter, Google,
the sensor lockdown discussions.
So that was a secret government agency
and it was called the CDU Counter disinformation Unit.
And what they did was they worked with social media companies
in order to suppress any discussions
which were anti-COVID lockdown.
In addition to that, as you may know, in the United Kingdom, we got, we had, and this was about a month ago, messages got leaked from Matt Hancock, who was the health secretary, where he essentially was making decisions to manipulate the public.
For example, one of the messages that he said was, one of the message he said was,
When do we do the drama?
I'm paraphrasing, but when do we do the drama about the additional variant?
Or when do we basically cause panic about another variant?
So essentially showing that it was a targeted attack to basically fearmonger amongst the public.
In addition to that, we had a scenario where yesterday, and just correct me if I'm wrong, but Johnson and Johnson removed the emergency FDA requirement, as far as I remember, I hope I'm saying that right, in the United States, and that was Johnson and Johnson.
and then we've got a number of litigations that are happening both against
Jaboris Johnson and Rishish Sunak in relation to COVID so those are the summaries of
what's happening with COVID and so yeah that's where we are so I would I'm going to
pass it up the money penny because you might provide us with a bit more information about
what's happened in the United Kingdom and then we'll jumpstart the debate go ahead money
Thanks, Solomon. I thought you lived here.
I thought you knew what was going on. Maybe not.
I just explained it. I just gave you an opportunity to...
I know.
But I thought you'd have your nose on the ground, you know?
I thought you'd be sniffing around looking for stuff.
Anyway, you've got to...
Money penny. Money, penny. One second. I am.
But the thing is, as part of a host, I have to make people feel like they're comfortable,
feel like they're adding value, and that's what I'm doing to you.
So please go ahead.
That's lovely. I'll try and add some value.
77th Brigade, this was also the scary thing that came up, is at the beginning of the COVID pandemic, probably like the US, we had regular press conferences with Boris Johnson and whichever other politicians, he hadn't already infected with COVID, standing on platforms, talking from a sort of point of view of a five o'clock update every day.
Okay.
Obviously, he then went and shook hands with people that had already got deadly illnesses in hospitals for some unknown reason.
He forgot to do the washing of hands, the distancing and everything else.
What we didn't know is that the head sort of big, general, in full uniform that they pushed forward at an early stage...
who came forward on behalf of the military to tell us how we were safe
and we were looked after, nothing would be a problem.
And obviously, we have had issues because we've had the military driving ambulances
and everybody that has fallen ill and caused a resource lack,
the military has stepped in.
But what this military general did not tell us
is that he was actually head of a new cyber surveillance unit,
which was not just looking at...
members of the civil service, but they was looking at ordinary people.
Ordinary people's tweets, Instagram, Facebook.
I was one of them.
I'm sure Suleiman was the amount of activity that went on two miles from where I live,
maybe a mile, GCHQ in Cheltenham, which is the equivalent of our MI-Fave,
I'm a six-type thing.
There was a whole brigade.
whole army that were recruited positively for that purpose to snoop on us.
And across the times of the lockdown,
the other interesting thing is the police who were acting on COVID regulations,
which were not.
effectively law, not written into law, in the same way you had emergency use authorization for your vaccines.
It wasn't, you know, completely legal.
We had police people that were just not locking down anybody or doing anything because they felt they would get comeback, which they did.
So the laws weren't sticking. People were breaking the rules.
And the whole lockdown process at the end of it scientifically has shown had absolutely no impact whatsoever on containing the spread of the virus.
Thank you, Solomon.
Yeah, I appreciate that money, Penny. Let me take it to Andrew. Andrew, appreciate you coming on to the space.
I'd love to hear your thoughts about what has come out in terms of the United Kingdom.
And if you're not aware, then generally just specifically because we had similar issues in the United States about government oversight or government intervention through social medias in terms of the impact it had on COVID lockdowns and the COVID vaccine.
Yeah, I hate to disappoint you.
I've been up since about 2.30 in this morning, 2.30 this morning.
I was in New Hampshire yesterday, so I flew back today.
I'm barely conscious.
Can you repeat the question?
Because I honestly, I'm not quite sure.
Let me, let me, let me.
Look, Andrew, Andrew, I was not meant to speak, but obviously I'll always have to jump in.
Look, yeah.
In hindsight, it's very easy to point out that lockdowns were a failure and they did more harm than good.
Would you agree with that statement before I ask a question?
You know, I can't speak to the UK.
I don't live in the UK.
I just paid by a company that's based in the UK.
Here in the US, people use the term, you know, lockdowns.
We didn't have them.
We didn't have lockdowns.
We didn't have, you know, criminal penalties for people, you know, leaving their house.
It didn't happen.
And, you know, now three, you know, three years later,
You've got a lot of folks who are looking back and talking about, oh, the lockdowns, the lockdowns.
And we never had them.
You had governors issuing, you know, stay-at-home orders.
But to the best of my knowledge, I mean, it wasn't like people were being put in jail for violating them.
And did they work?
I don't know.
I'm not a doctor.
Okay.
I mean, I know that I didn't, I didn't get COVID.
Most people I know who stayed at home didn't get COVID.
So, I mean, anecdotally, I think, you know, they, you know, worked if you followed them.
If, if you didn't follow them and you were in, you know, you were, you know, out and about.
I'm not sure, you know, if it kept other people from spreading it or not.
Because, again, I'm...
I'm not a doctor, but I'll be really honest with you.
I don't often offer my opinions on things, but I'll offer my opinion on this.
I think all of the obsession over this stuff three years later is really stupid.
It's a way to stoke grievance, and it's a way to keep people angry.
I mean, you know, once in a century pandemic.
The last time anything like that happened was, you know,
1918 or 1917 is the Spanish flu.
So it wasn't really something that anyone currently alive
and in any position in power had any experience dealing with.
I think governments did the best they could.
And you can look at things in hindsight and say,
oh, this was horrible.
But I mean, I don't, you know,
I put myself in the shoes of the people who were in charge.
And thinking back to March 2020,
Very few people knew very much of anything.
So I just, I, I'm just not sure what was the utility of these discussions.
I like, Andrew, I'm going through the comments.
I think everyone agrees with you, especially Kaleesi.
And before Kaleesi responds, Joe, I want you to...
Give a similar...
Because Andrew's take is...
There's not many people that are vocal about it now,
but they were vocal about it during COVID.
And I'm taking the position of kind of pushing back...
Do I just vocal to try to sense with people?
Look, Mont, man.
You have a habit of always taking the position
that everyone would like.
Okay?
You always do this.
And generally...
And you put me in a difficult...
Let me finish.
Let me finish.
And you put me in a difficult...
And you put me in a difficult position to push back for balance because you can't do it.
Because you just want to say what the people want to hear because I promise you,
I swear one day you're going to run for prime minister in the UK.
It is what it is.
But moving away from that.
What I want to ask you, Joa, is everyone is shitting on what we did on the lockdowns that were implemented during COVID.
But considering that, as Andrew said, the last pandemic we went through is decades and decades ago back right after World War I and 1918.
During World War.
Okay.
So I went through a pandemic during a World War.
Considering that fact, considering that we were unprepared for a pandemic,
If the response was wrong, why are we still talking about it today?
Why, if we don't go through a pandemic every year?
Is it just being used for political gain and people doing what Slyman does saying, what people
love to hear?
Question number one.
And question number two, the topic here, and I kind of ask is Andrew's question, like,
why are we talking about it?
I think the main concern is not the lockdown itself, at least not today, not in this
space, even though we're going to touch on it, but more the censorship that happened.
So, yeah.
governments worked with social media companies
to censor any pushback against the lockdowns,
any criticism of the lockdown.
So my question to you, Joe, I'm assuming lockdowns
were the right decision,
which again, we're not saying that
because that's a whole other debate.
No, no, there's a point of making the fucking assumption.
The reason I'm saying that is,
if it is the right decision,
if it was the right decision,
if it was the right decision,
Does the government have the right?
I say lockdown worked perfectly and they stopped the pandemic and a reduced death by 99%.
And it was the right decision and ended the pandemic.
And it just died throughout the lockdowns, okay?
Which didn't happen, obviously.
If that did happen, was, would we be praising the government for working with social media companies to censor any pushback against the lockdowns if they worked?
And the only reason we're criticizing them is because they didn't work or we would still criticize that level of censorship.
Is there times where censorship like this could have value?
Yeah, you know, pandemics, pandemics suck.
It's horrible.
And there's consequences.
I mean, I know a lot of people like to say the lockdowns didn't work, but if you look at the flu numbers, we had 10% the amount of flus recorded than we did the year prior, right?
So maybe the lockdowns work.
Maybe they didn't, but there's some anecdotal proof that it did.
Or maybe they misdiagnosed flu as a COVID.
Yeah, possible also.
But in terms of censorship, look, we're still talking about 9-11, right?
And it's been what, 20 years?
20 years.
because there's things people have questions about and people will get stuck on that information
and there's a bit like example the termite the thermite uh makes people think like why was their
thermite in the building that you know cut through the steel that's a sign and then they feel part of
like a club that has this insider information that no one else has and then they get they get stuck there right
With the pandemic, I think it's something to, I have a lot of questions about 9-11.
I do believe there was something there, especially building 7.
But with COVID, I don't, except for the pharmaceutical companies that benefited from pushing a vaccine,
I don't see where the conspiracy is.
They were trying to save people.
They're saying they spied on average people and what they were writing.
That's called social listening.
We do social listening for every brand, for every company.
That's normal.
Do they censor?
Yeah, should they have?
Probably not.
But weren't they just trying to save lives?
Weren't they trying to like do...
what was right and not have people spread the disease amongst each other by quelling any
uprising or anything like that.
Kalisi, can you maybe, you can educate the audience on what are the theories on on so is there
other theories on why lockdowns were implemented and what are those theories?
What what who benefited and how?
Just before I do, Kalee, we've got a user comment.
And please put your comments below.
It just linked nicely to this.
The user comment from Bernie is it was a plandemic.
It was planned.
So, Kalisi, that's the question Mario is asking you.
What were the possible reasons for this?
Bro, can you not put a question?
I didn't ask whether it's a plandemic.
This is a slam man's question just for the right word.
Go ahead, Galisi.
That's what you asked.
That's what you asked.
What are the reasons why they would have wanted a lockdown?
So I know in the UK, okay, that Boris Johnson did not actually want the lockdown.
And this is the truth.
He's a libertarian.
And he was pushed into this, literally.
And he avoided it.
So there were, okay, so we did get it wrong.
I think I can't remember.
Andrew was speaking when I came on and that's why I requested the mic because I wanted to address a couple of points he made.
Okay.
full declaration.
I followed most of the rules apart from the masks.
So he's a libertarian and you can see that in many ways.
Initially, when he was pushed into a lockdown,
he gave very, very mixed messages for about three weeks.
So things like he would have a briefing, a press briefing,
which was televised, everyone was watching it.
And he'd say things like,
stay at home if you can
unless it's important that you have to go out
there was no lockdown
second week and he was getting bashed by the media
by all the journalists by all the scientists
even within his own party, but he didn't want to do it.
Numbers were rising in Italy and Spain.
We were being shown pictures of all these deaths and coffins,
and in the end he succumbed.
But here's the things that he did do.
I'm not a fan of Boris at all, but credit where it's due.
For the mask implementation, he released a PDF on the government website,
and it said, if you're exempt from wearing a mask, you can download this.
No evidence was needed for the fact that you're exempt, no medical note, nothing.
And you could even buy that for Β£1.50 on eBay.
Obviously I bought it and I downloaded it and I used it all through the pandemic.
I didn't wear a mask.
I wore it once the first day and I realized I couldn't actually breathe at night when I took it off.
I only wore it for half an hour.
So I realized it's not good.
So he did put in measures.
where you can just not wear a mask
and many people just wore that badge around the neck
for Β£1.50 throughout the pandemic
and just didn't wear a mask.
So I do think that he was pushed into this.
I think it was a strategy.
I did take the vaccine.
I regressive.
Police, push by who?
I don't know. Look, I mean, the media were really on, Ham, Soleim.
Remember how difficult it was for you here?
So somebody like Pierce Morgan, for example, literally was holding them to account, saying, what are you doing?
What's going on?
And to the extent, Pierce Morgan had a morning news show here, to the extent that the government put a ban on any minister going on his show to be interviewed by him because he was so hard on them.
So what he would do is he'd listen to them being interviewed on the BBC show, play on his show, and then rip their interviews apart.
They didn't, where I disagree with what Andrew said is, look, I did take the vaccine. I took three Pfizer shots. Do I regret it? Yes, I do. Did I think it was the right thing to do at the time? Yes, I did. Did I buy into this? Yes, I did. Do I criticize people who decided not to? No. But
most of my family did. Some of them didn't individual choice. I didn't support the mandate, but, you know, I wanted to say, pardon my parents. Halisi, to be clear, though, Pace Morgan was part of the media. He was part of the mainstream media. What you're essentially saying is, the mainstream media, Pace Morgan, who now is basically re-
presented himself and repackaged himself as someone totally different,
but at that point was propagating and bullying people into basically more,
including the country, your position, even the government, into more extreme lockdowns.
I want to bring Dr. Sabina to this. Dr. Sabina, you got your hand up.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.
Yeah, so the first thing is to Andrew, and I'd like to ask that question as a physician and as a scientist.
Yes.
You said you didn't get COVID thanks to the lockdown.
But my question is, did you ever get that?
Wait, wait, did you ever get COVID?
Did you ever get COVID?
Simple question, yes or no.
Did you ever get COVID?
Ever or in 2020?
In three years, have you ever gotten COVID?
I've gotten sick, but I've never tested positive.
Oh, well, maybe you should have tested.
And I think you're vaccinated, right?
Yeah.
No, no, let me make myself clear.
I've been sick, but when I have tested, when I've been sick, it has not popped positive.
I did.
Okay, so either you have, and have you been vaccinated?
Yeah, I got the Moderna and then a booster at some point.
So either you have a resilient microbiome, resilient to COVID or resilient to the vaccine,
and.
And therefore, you're a one case study,
and I'd love to have your microbiome to analyze that.
But you cannot judge the whole medicine and the whole lockdown
based on one study because of you.
Because I can tell you,
I've been on the front line and you know what?
Not really safe.
I didn't get COVID either.
So but here's the thing.
There are people that have that never got COVID because they have a better microbiome.
Immunity is in the gut.
Immunity is something we develop.
If you look at people that are been in the lockdown, all the kids, and then they go back out,
they all got major infections.
Right.
because you cannot keep people in a bubble forever.
So here's my opinion on the lockdown as a scientist and as a physician.
The lockdowns were necessary at the beginning so we could figure out this virus.
As soon as we, doctors on the front line, started treating patients and seeing what was working and what wasn't working,
that's when the lockdown should have stopped.
I can tell you I was the one on the front line,
and I was promoting the lockdown at the beginning
with my celebrity actors that were saying stay home
in the first few weeks, because I needed to figure it out.
But as soon as I treated my first CHF, COPD,
cardiac bypass two weeks prior, and he survived COVID,
I was like, you know what, this guy survived.
I'm going to be fine and the kids are fine.
It's time to get back into life and to expose everyone.
This is the problem.
The problem is there was an agenda and the agenda was to push a vaccine.
And the agenda was to push a vaccine without the proper research behind it.
And I'm in the clinical trial business.
I brought vaccines to the market.
I should know how to do clinical trials.
This was not, this was panic.
We'll give it panic, fear, money driven.
You know, people were basically enticed by the stocks going up of Moderna and Pfizer.
And they didn't see clearly.
But definitely, all this interference that happened in research,
all this interference of this narrative, of one narrative,
we need to learn from and we need to stop that.
Because you're wrong.
In 1918, yes, there was the Spanish flu, but guess what?
The microbiome of humanity, as I'm seeing it now,
as I'm spearheading the microbiome research
with 57 clinical trials on the microbiome and disease,
is damaged. The reason we got COVID and now there's other infections coming is because there
is a dysbiosis and imbalance in the microbiome. And there might be another super bug coming
down the road. And you can already hear the narrative of pharma starting to, you know, push another
narrative. So we need to understand what went wrong with the research interference, what went
wrong with who stopped?
Who got paid to create a narrative?
And we need to stop that for the next pandemic.
Because at the end of the day,
Dr. Sabina, can I ask you a question?
Choice is number one.
Can I ask a question because you said something, and look, I love what you're doing with the gut biome.
I truly believe in what you're doing, and I wish a lot more people knew about it.
But besides that, you said that the lockdown should have stopped once we started treating patients.
But wasn't part of the lockdown also because of the fact that other diseases couldn't be treated
or other problems couldn't be treated because the hospitals were full?
And because of that,
It was important to keep the lockdowns going because hospitals kept getting full.
So it wasn't just about treating COVID.
It was also about having enough space to be able to treat other illnesses that still continue to happen.
Look, the mainstream media made you believe the hospitals were full.
I was there.
Okay.
My husband was a chief of cardiology at the hospital.
The hospitals were not full.
Okay. Yes, they were full during a certain period when we were overwhelmed and all of us were treating like 50 patients. And yes, there was a reason to stop and log down. But there should have been...
Certain people should have been able to go, right?
So the kids should have resumed.
You know, there's certain activities should have resumed.
And to just log down the whole world because the thought of the hospitals being full,
I think the biggest problem with the pandemic was stopping treatment, in my opinion.
It should have been treatment and vaccines at the same time.
And let doctors be doctors to treat.
Yes.
Do you think the lockdowns had anything to do with the reason that, because we saw the, what was it, the U.S. Navy ship, right, the hospital ship that ended up in New York City, right, that was never touched?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Did they ever use that?
And what about all the stadiums that had all these beds with, like, ventilator, you know, ready for, like, patients?
Did they ever use that?
Tens of millions of dollars right tens of millions of dollars were spent on one in my small city
They were too busy doing TikTok dances in the hallways of the hospitals to worry about the hospital shit
Oh, doc is right actually I mean I can tell you my hospital is not overwhelmed I mean I saw it if any if anybody was overwhelmed were the doctors that were treating all
off-label. I mean, we were seeing 50 to 52 patients a day with COVID, and we were just
picking up phone calls after phone calls. I mean, that was overwhelming, yes. But you know what?
Somehow there were enough doctors that stood up and started treating, even though they were
threatened and their licenses where they were going to lose, et cetera. So, you know, but we still
survived and we let doctors be doctors and we saved a lot of lives and that's the way it should have
been.
Go ahead. Go ahead. Nick. Go ahead, Nick. Sorry.
Okay. Yeah, I was going to go ahead and jump to Dr. Lee real quick because you were sort of on the early, early front lines of this pandemic.
You actually sounded the alarm very quickly and talked about how the Chinese government was lying about data.
They weren't giving all the data.
But did the U.S. government not know more than just what the Chinese were telling them?
Or were they that good at hiding the truth?
To be honest.
They knew.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you. To be honest, as a very beginning, U.S. government, I don't think they know much about this virus.
Because first, I'm the coronavirus working in this field with WHO leading coronavirus team in the University of Hong Kong.
At that time, let's go back to January 2020.
Even the Stanford University immunology director, Dr. Barley, has to ask,
ask from the samples from me and my husband because you don't have this anything about this virus in clinic in the United States at that time.
So clearly you don't know what happened and also you don't even know what it is.
And also, like in another NIH, one lab under NIH, sorry, I suddenly forget the name.
And anyway, the first lab published the article talking about coronavirus COVID-19 can last in different surface, like the glass, clothes, or paper for different time.
And that paper was published in middle to late 20.
February and they required the samples from my lab which
which was isolated by my husband in Hong Kong
to do this experiment because they don't have the virus even.
And later, because Chinese government interfered this experiment,
they asked our lab to withdraw the sample from the United States lab.
So the US lab has to repeat it again.
That's why they post upon the publication.
So all these two samples can tell you
Exactly at the beginning, U.S. government and related scientists and lack of information.
They have to highly rely on what Chinese government tell you.
And also, that can be confirmed from what I experienced, that my supervisors in Hong Kong, especially those who didn't,
directly involved into the development of this virus with people's liberation army, they don't know much.
So they have to either believe government, work with government, or they have to take the life risk like me, like me to tell the truth.
So that's what happened at the beginning.
I'd love to come in because I can provide evidence that not only was the virus in the hands of the United States,
but they had PCR tests that they developed by the 6th of January 2020.
They had over 2,300 US citizens that had been tested by that point,
and there are numerous references for that.
There were two biochemical labs that are still live on B2B websites.
that clearly show the isolate was already in the hands of the United States
at the beginning of January, if not December,
because by the sixth, there were emails exchanged between Fauci,
some of them we've seen in the Fauci files,
and other senior members like Jeremy Farah,
other people involved with it,
who were already producing tests and taking tests on US citizens.
Something may be not accurate because when we talk about the first PCL, especially as a quick PCL test, if you go to check the WHA webpage at that time, you will see the best one was developed by more.
my lab, my supervisor, Leopone, and our team member as the beginning of January.
And also, before that, even they can do something.
Just remember, China government didn't release the first sequence of the Wuhan virus until 10th January.
Even before that, according to my evidence, that they already have the sequence from
at least December 2019 from patients in Wuhan.
But China government didn't release aid,
and they post upon the release.
So that's why before that,
there is no accurate way for any other lab
to develop the,
quick test to know exactly what it is unless you get the sequence.
And also 10th January, when Chinese government first allowed the scientists to upload the sequence,
they upload the wrong one for certain purpose because they don't want to give you the true information.
And then it was changed on 13th January for the first time and then changed on
16 to 17 for the second time.
Finally, it is a complete sequence.
The reason is 13th January at that time,
the first overseas case was confirmed in Thailand.
And China government know,
even if they try to do any tricks to the sequence,
still people can get it.
So that's the reason.
Okay, I'll upload some evidence.
Maybe you could consider looking at it.
Yeah, yeah, a lot of information for people if you are not working in the lab, not as a doctor or virologist like me.
So you would make a little bit confused when you see the similar name or the similar method.
But actually, it is different.
Dr Lee, out of interest, when do you believe that they did have full knowledge?
Because that's really the question as to when they started controlling narrative, isn't it?
So if everyone had full knowledge by, let's say, April and lockdowns are started,
that's really like the time, around that time is when narrative would have taken over from medical fact.
Yeah.
Well, you say the narrative, do you mean the lockdown, the narrative for lockdown or it means the narrative for the nature origins of COVID?
Either, to the honest. I'm just saying, like, when do you think governments have the knowledge of this in full?
So first,
If we are talking about UK and US government, I can tell you, they highly rely on the WHO and also the scientists all over the world.
And we need to talk from the coronavirus scientists.
So you should know that we have different type of experts for WHO, but there is only a very small group of coronavirus experts.
and the majority of them stay in China or Hong Kong.
That's because of the history of coronavirus since 2003,
such as one and later the mid-east coronavirus,
because my lab is also the central lab to study it.
So that's why China choose to use coronavirus as a good candidate for bioweapons,
because you don't have the good database, you don't have enough experience.
And even a lot of American scientists working on this, they rely on Chinese government,
provide them collaboration, provide them the clinical sample or animal samples.
And also in many labs, like Minnesota University or Georgia State University in U.S., if you check the name of the director of coronavirus lab,
they are Chinese people working deeply with people's liberation army.
So the thing is, at that time, CCP, they are in China.
I mean, this is not political. This is just a fact.
there are scientists that know this virus even before all the outbreak happened in Wuhan,
but not many because a lot of scientists or researchers involved are just given part of the job
to modify something or test something for the COVID-19 virus.
So when it finally began in Wuhan, I mean the outbreak start,
there are some people know it, but very,
very few.
The people who directly work on this virus, and of course, the leader Xi Jinping, he knows
that.
And the thing is, when the WHO need to gather opinions from China, they also rely on their
collaborators or their experts working in China.
So based on the trust, so they will accept what Chinese scientists provide them.
And at that time, Chinese government just need to control the scientists, they can control their narrative.
And later, when it becomes worse, especially in January, and also when I reviewed it,
China decided to change their...
strategic. So they start to throw out the nature origin theory earlier before they planned.
That's why when you go back to check 20th January 2020,
Shigen Li, the Wuhan lab, started to claim they have the sample from bed, which is the nature
origin evidence. That's because
within 24 hours, I reviewed that.
I said this is from people's liberation army,
so they have to quickly throw some false narrative to counter the,
public opinion.
And also they start to work with Echo Health,
that Peter Daschak and also Dr. Fauci,
from the end of January to February
to control the narrative in English-speaking world.
And later, they also need to influence the people
who can make the public health decision,
including the legislators.
And the good thing for China government
is all your public...
policy makers rely on the scientists.
So you see,
China's tactic is not difficult.
Control the Chinese scientists.
Then go through them to control the international scientists.
Then go through them to control the policy makers
and also work together with media with other people
because they already infiltrated to spread the narratives.
And once the natural origin narrative was established with help from Lancet and also Dr. Fauci, Peter Dashak,
then clearly you have to go to lockdown and vaccine because, as people all know, at that time, if you as a president, no matter you are Trump or you are Biden,
if you say, no, we don't want to lock down, we don't want to promote vaccine because it's not mature because it's not good.
People won't listen to you.
So clearly, this is the past and how the narrative was promoted is because of so many factors.
Thank you for that, Doctor.
Let me go to Tyler.
Tyler, one of the people who've commented on the comment section,
and guys, please do comment on the comment section,
bottom right and side,
because we are going through those messages and we will be reading them out.
In addition to that, after this space,
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So if you go to Mario's page,
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so make sure you join that space,
but yeah,
you need to sub to do so
in addition to that.
Yeah, if you ask you a question,
that's the way man doesn't like,
though, you're going to get yelled at,
so that's even more fun.
This is fake news.
If you say something that's wrong, I will call you out like I do in this space or any space.
I don't change.
For me, everything's uncensored.
But for Nick, he gets to basically be himself.
So really, that space is for Nick.
But anyway, guys, join that space.
It's a lot of fun.
But before I get to that, one of the comments, Tyler, by go vote.
He showed a study which demonstrated that during COVID or due to the COVID lockdowns,
there was an increase in world hunger.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on the various ramifications of COVID or and the lockdown and vaccines.
Hi there.
Am I coming through?
Yeah.
Yeah, it's a little echo way, but it should be fun.
Sorry about that. I'm pretty new to spaces and this space specifically, but thank you for inviting me.
You know, it's hard for me to talk about world hunger. I'm a child and a licensed psychiatrist and a suicidologist.
The largest amount of misinformation that I was battling was the rapid assumption and interpretations of what
COVID interventions or the pandemic itself would do to the mental health of the population and specifically
the population I work with the most children and you know it was very early on in the pandemic that
especially those that were pretty anti-lockdown were wielding the mental health of children and the
mental health and increasing skyrocketing suicide rates as
reasons to end the lockdown and of course
My area of research and study is suicidology where one has to be very humble because we actually don't really have a very good way to predict what will happen to next year's suicide rates.
All the best computers and all the best suicidologists in the world would have a really hard time, you know, predicting one year into the future, let alone two or three.
So I've been battling against that misinformation quite a bit.
listening to all of this, you know, this is a very interesting space and I, it's hard for me to really
address a lot of the science that's being brought up because, you know, this is, this is not my area of
expertise, but I will say that one of the biggest mistakes people often make in the lockdown
dynamic is assuming that no lockdowns would result in
nothing negative that happened during lockdowns.
This is, you know, one of the biggest fallacies I see made in the lockdown discession.
With everything we know about the transmission of viruses,
with everything we know about this particular virus,
which was a worldwide once in a century pandemic that ended up killing millions of people,
it's very likely that without mitigation efforts,
we would have seen more infections and more death, not less.
When that translates into mental health, you know, we have...
abundant evidence that the impacts of death on a child, the impacts of serious illness,
or the impacts of a teacher getting really sick or a friend getting really sick,
or a parent getting really sick, or more deaths therein are negative to mental health.
And so there's always an imbalance in the discussion where we talk about lockdowns as not,
as if we could erase all of the other things that came along after the pandemic started
if we removed lockdowns.
And that's a really fallacious argument.
Did we not see an increase in suicides and then, you know, depression and maybe suicidal tendencies?
Not at all.
Yeah.
Not at all.
Not at all.
Yeah, so, so, soitology.
In the medical profession, we did.
Hold on, hold on.
I'm going to claim my one area of expertise here.
I'm a suicidologist who studies suicide figures across the world.
There is, there's concentric circles that people assume that aren't concentric.
For example, sadness, suicidal thinking, suicide attempts, and deaths by suicide.
I'm going to talk about the first, the last group, deaths by suicide.
Suicide rates in most of the modern nations decreased since 2020 and have not increased.
When we look at suicide rates, you say since 2020?
Yeah, compared to 2019, 2018, 2017, we've seen a decrease in suicide rates.
So including the years of 2020 when the pandemic started, 2021, we're only having a few nations that have 2022 data.
But there's discrepancy. For example, Japan had an increase in suicide rates.
United States had a decrease in suicide rates. Canada had a 17% decrease in suicide rates in all ages.
And the United States had a 4.6% decrease in the general population. But when you break it down by age, there's differences.
So, you know, the foundational assumption of suicide rates increasing because the pandemic didn't even bear out, let alone the other predictions that people were hanging on lockdowns and those types of things.
Remember, I was talking about those concentric circles though.
Suicidal thinking is a much more common thing, about 4% of the adult population considers
suicide in any given year, and only a small fraction of those die by suicide, and they
might not even be the same people in the same moment, so they're not exactly concentric
circles.
We know that sadness and loneliness increased during the pandemic.
That's a fair thing to say.
I'm not aware of those metrics looking better in nations that were less strict on restrictions than other nations.
But of course, sadness during a pandemic is not also an evidence of any pathology.
Again, I want to remind people that, you know, millions of people died.
There was lots of economic turmoil.
There was lots of big changes.
There was lots to actually be worried about.
I was also a frontline clinician working in a pediatric hospital when COVID came out and it was new and we didn't know anything about it.
It was a very intensely scary time.
So, you know, when we...
When we look at some cameras changing.
Dr. Tyler, can I ask us a question?
One of the audience members just asked us a question,
which I think is a very fair question to ask is,
have you got studies to demonstrate or evidence to demonstrate that?
And if you do, if you can just pin it up to the top, that would be brilliant.
Yeah, I'm not very great at, I'm not very great at spaces to post things.
I would say if you look in my timeline for, you know, analyses that I've done,
It's there. You can look at any of the major national databases. There's a meta-analysis in the Lancet from 2020, the end of 2022, or maybe the beginning of 2022, looking at a meta-analysis of suicide rates in nations showing a decrease during the first eight months of the pandemic. So there's lots of sources you can get to get it. I'm not going to have the technological...
Yeah, yeah, it's no problem.
You can just send me it, and I can put it up, so if you want to privately DME it.
Sure.
I post a CDC.
I wonder how many...
There's a CDC study up above.
4% increase in suicide, 2021.
Yeah, doc just send me...
Oh, yeah, okay.
That's exactly what I was going to mention.
So what Doc has just sent me is a CDC report,
which states that suicide rates in 2021 went up to, in the United States,
went up by 4%.
Is that the same information you have?
Yeah.
So down in 2020.
Yeah, down in 2020.
It was down by 4.6% in 2020 and up by 4.6 in 2021.
And just the nature of increases and the increases.
Before the closures, though.
No, no, no, it wasn't.
2020 was the year of the pandemic conclusions.
How many deaths by genocide were marked as death by COVID?
So, none.
I mean, so the way that COVID deaths are, the way the deaths are marked.
None?
That's balsy.
I mean, you know, can you know everything about every death in the world?
Just knowing the way, well, let's speak to North.
Well, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
I do want to say that there's some foundational misunderstandings on how coroners determine deaths.
So, you know, if a death is due to self-inflicted injury in any way, it will never be labeled as a death due to COVID, even if the person had COVID when they died.
Because deaths are first determined whether or not they're intentional.
unintentional or indeterminate if it's considered to be a unnatural death.
So there's no rubric in which someone can die by COVID and they have intentionally harmed themselves in some way and it be called a COVID death and not an intentional suicide death.
That's just not the way that that works.
So, you know, could in a large database of millions of people, an administrative error occur
or something where something was coded the wrong way, sure.
But there's no corner in, you know, modern society that is going to call a suicide a COVID death.
And that would just be plain conspiratorial thinking.
Dr. Sabine, I want to go to you on this, actually.
Speaking of...
being marked as a COVID death, you know, whether or not suicides were done it.
I mean, Tyler just testified that that wasn't the case.
But with other people that we saw in hospitals that were dying with COVID instead of COVID,
you know, we've heard that a lot.
Is that actually true?
Was that happening a lot on a wide scale?
Maybe not.
We'll try to get somebody out of it.
Money penny.
Do you think that's something that you could jump in on?
Yeah, just repeat it quickly. So my dog rushed in.
Sure, no problem. So just to kind of move a little bit past Tyler's points about, you know, not coding suicides as COVID deaths.
Yeah. Did we see any of that happening in hospitals with other issues, such as somebody dying with COVID instead of COVID?
Yes, hugely.
Yeah.
massive distortion to the statistics and on a per country basis it was different in each country.
So the actual ability to compare statistics cross country also became far more difficult.
In the UK,
We also were not adding people that were in care homes, for example.
So that made another anomaly.
So every country was having different anomalies at different times.
Trump famously said, if we don't test, our numbers will be low.
So the testing goes down in the country and your numbers were low.
The same happened in hospitals.
that if you got a broken leg falling off a bus, went into a hospital where there was a large
number of people with a human to human viral pathogen, you were likely to catch it.
And if you died as a result of gangrene in the leg, but
you had COVID at the time, it would still go down in the UK as a COVID death.
Now, I know the US has a different coding system, a very sophisticated numerical coding system,
but according to reports and discussions I've had with other US scientists and medical personnel,
and the US.
Guys, I just need to let you know that there is some kind of glitch with the system.
A lot of speakers, even myself, a lot of listeners are getting thrown out of the space.
So it is glitching significantly.
So if it says you've been removed from the space, no one's actually removed you.
There is some kind of glitch.
It's just happened to me.
It's happened.
happened to Joe has happened to, I've got, I'm inundated with messages, it's happening to a lot of people.
So there is a glitch. I don't know what's happening with the system, but it is, it is impacting.
I'm waiting for you to say deep skate. It wasn't, I mean, it was a matrix attack, but let's not get into that, because we were demonstrated.
Don't we normally get books coming in, they're going out now, and we're complaining?
Yeah.
We can never get.
Because we were demonstrating why there was government intervention in these lockdowns
and then look, this has happened in our space.
But anyway, let's...
Well, it wasn't just government.
This is the important thing.
The WHO started to put a heavy hand over countries that were not putting lockdowns in place
sufficiently.
Now, this is very scary because at the moment, we've got the WHO...
actually looking to make amendments to their health regulations internationally,
which will affect over 170 countries and give the WHO that level of authority
to take away potentially the sovereignty of the country and for the WHO to dictate lockdowns,
vaccine mandates and all those things that we were doing at a country by country level.
So this is a very big and important topic.
And you'll see some of the headlines I've shared in the back channel are relating to how the WHO
came and took over what was happening by the British government and tried to force the British government
to lock down more or to stay locked down for longer.
That's very significant.
And I'm sure it happened in the States.
So I'm going to shift topics here just a second.
Joe,
I'm going to go to you before I actually do switch topics.
But in order to prepare for that,
I just want,
I want everybody to tell me how you felt during 2020
because I know some people that were just,
they were absolutely pro lockdown at the time.
They absolutely thought it was necessary.
They were scared.
They were.
Frame it properly, bro.
Because you said,
how do people feel?
And the people are going to start talking about the emotions.
I know you're about emotions and that.
But what you mean is what their position was.
I do.
You mean the position on the emotion?
Sure, but obviously there was a lot of emotion in it.
Now everybody's confused and they don't even know what the fuck is going on.
So leave some sort of question or answer related to that and maybe we'll ask it.
So thank you.
I follow this really closely and...
In cities where it's populated, which is mostly the left in the U.S., you know, there was a lot of evidence.
Look at Singapore.
Like countries are active very quickly.
didn't have these kind of problems, right?
That's why I was mad at another reason why I hate Trump is, you know, he was on a call saying how deadly it is and then didn't act for another two months.
But people in the middle of the country where the population, you know, we're not living on top of each other.
I don't think, I don't think lockdowns should have been mandated.
Right.
You could have moved around without crossing someone within six feet.
There wouldn't have been as much of an issue.
I think this should have been a citywide issue just based on what I've seen on certain countries.
Like the fact that New Zealand did well, well, of course, it's not heavily populated.
The fact that Singapore did well because they locked down and they created an app that if anyone that you walked by within the past three days got COVID,
you would be alerted to lock yourself down.
There was ways to handle it that would have resulted if they would have acted early.
Waiting two months made things a lot worse than they needed to be.
And I think that's why you have this discussion and it seems to be right and left is because people in cities were more at risk and should have been locked down where people that live in rural areas probably didn't need to be locked down.
And that's why they're pissed off.
Yeah.
Dustin, did you lock down, man?
I don't know what state you're in, but, you know, so I was in Nevada, and I also was alerted earlier than most people that the pandemic was coming because I was asked to help verify the videos that were coming out of Wuhan as being like current and accurate.
