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Creator Economy 3.0 on with Captain #1,077
Recorded: Jan. 19, 2026 Duration: 2:16:12Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion on Coffee with Captain, the hosts explore the latest trends in the crypto space, including the launch of new tokens, strategic partnerships, and the evolving landscape of decentralized finance. Key highlights include the upcoming strategy token launch by Heavy Metals and the importance of community engagement in driving growth.
Full Transcription
Oh, let me see.
No intro.
Let's, this is why.
Swap over here.
Weird. I'm going to spaces is good. I'm going to kill this stream and start over though.
hang tight hang tight we're killing the stream starting over
check check one two can you give me a hundred if the audio is cool on
audio is good on spaces right and can you hear me on
no no what happened never seen this before but we are going to we're going to play this
back we'll be rolling in uh we're gonna we're gonna do official start pretend like none of that happened in a profession.
Started off with a bitch.
Now I got coin.
I see where y'all going.
Been popping since web one.
Hella hoax on web two.
I was living a dream.
Now I'm on web three.
And it is what it seems. Topping the pyramid schemes, I'm telling you, I'll sell you a percentage on
Nebula, shout out to Vince, yo set it up, surfing on the web and I'm shooting at three,
I've been goaded when I got my T, I'm an alien, boy, from a different planet, yeah, so I got
my drink, I'm riding in the 1920s, model T Ford. Car, era, law.
Call me Levi playing on the keys, boy.
And I'm about to put my gloves on.
If I said it, then I meant that.
Yeah, I like that one.
I'm about to get that.
Crash that whip for the drumsticks, whiplash.
I'm about to get them all.
Are you with that?
In a white boat, surrounded by blue.
I want one, but I got a cop, too.
I want to fly high in the sky.
Arms out wide, trying to swim.
I'm a bird type view. I'm on fireicky bobby cracking the pavement whitney bobby i'ma sake bomb hiroshima nagasaki
bruce wayne been a dog and i keep it 101 cause i'm feeling kind of spotty sipping on some rock
and i'm sipping out octana only thing around my neck started off with a kick pop now i got coin I was living a dream.
Now I'm on web three.
And it is what it seems.
Topping the pyramid schemes.
I'm telling you.
I'll sell you a percentage on Nebula.
Shout out to Vizio.
Set it up.
NFT Twitter.
Blockchain.
TM with the ghost and we falling like the Brown Jays.
Credo, credo. We can make a trade.
I just went and caught me a hat bass. Man, I gotta shout out the boys. Started off with a bitch. Kick-bop.
Now I got coin.
Coin.
I see where y'all going.
Been poppin' since web one.
Hella hoax on web two.
I was living the dream.
Now I'm on web three.
And it is what it seems.
Topping the pyramid schemes.
I'm telling you.
I'll sell you a percentage on Nebula.
Shout out to Vince.
Yo, set it up.
Breaking the mood to choose one.
But it got knowledge to move, son.
I'm shakin' in shades with my brother in suits.
Yeah, them blues is coming.
Even though it's hard to pick, any mighty mo.
Soda on the mix, no biting lips.
It's time to go.
Index number one, no thumbs up.
You got to scroll.
Looking at the ghost in studio.
It's time to go.
Had a helmet on by myself until I met a mask.
That one would have a face off.
Had to bring my chainsaw.
Full ticket gas in the drive with my brakes off.
I'm A1 with a different kind of stakes off. Welcome to Coffee with Captain, powered by ApeCoin, where we dive into all things crypto,
NFTs, Web3, and cutting-edge technology.
Remember, nothing here is financial advice.
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Welcome to the future.
Welcome to Coffee with Captain GMGM.
Thanks so much for joining us.
We've already done so good.
Give us a like on the space.
Like, repost, bookmark.
All will be appreciated.
Greatly helps out the algo and does us a real solid mesh mesh.
My apologies.
We are live on Abstract.
I am just a little out of sorts this morning.
Had a, was slightly thrown off
with just a weird oddity in StreamYard.
Can't explain it, but I left StreamYard,
came back and it was working.
So, but no intro.
And then that kept me,
just threw my brain out of loop.
Habits are good, except for when you break a habit,
it sometimes makes things more challenging.
So long story short,
it took me a minute to hit the start live stream button
over on abstract, but we are live over there now.
GM Mesh Mesh and Teacher Katie,
looks like you both found us.
Appreciate all of our morning GMers YouTube chat
popping off as always.
I will grab the abstract link.
We'll pin it up top here
in a second, as well as that YouTube link and hope you all had a great weekend. I did very much so,
although I'm not, I'm not old. I feel great. I feel like my mid twenties,s, maybe early 30s, the majority of the time.
However, I can acknowledge and admit that I am actually aging.
And I don't know if Joey's out there yet, but the peptides are happening for sure because my recovery is not what it once was.
I moved this weekend and a little bit of move on Friday,
just like stuff I could fit in the back of the Tesla.
And then got the, got the U-Haul on Saturday for clear out a storage unit or
two and two storage units. One's big, like 20 by 10.
The other one's just a small, like five by five.
And big to pick up the truck at eight started
i don't know like nine o'clock started loading stuff and by noon i was like it's gonna be a long
day i was already feeling it by like noon and as i finished the job I like when I start a project or a mission like that, like, okay,
I got my AD doesn't let me think about much else until I'm done.
Like, for instance, still need to do like, unboxing setup, all that stuff today.
But I am sore AF, I woke up yesterday and got out of bed.
And it was like, I didn't think I was that bad until I went to get out.
It was like a day of like, from 8am midnight, we'll say, which so past my bedtime
moving all day and like heavy stuff, but nothing crazy. I just went to get out of bed. And I like,
I felt like I was like the 10 man, I needed oil or something. I was hurting. And then today even
more sore in some places. So so yeah a little slow this morning
need more caffeine i may have to break for a coffee here in a minute because actually in an
office so the celebratory day here today full the studio is back no more no more uh closet no
no one needs to be concerned that i've been kidnapped and um i'm not sure what the green
watcher just posted over there.
It looks like we have some bot in abstract chat. Curious on that.
I do know that they're doing some stuff for creators over there.
So maybe not quite a million dollar article as per X,
but something happening in the abstract chat streets anyways.
So yeah, long story short, fun weekend,
grateful to be settled after like six months of kind of
limbo and you know i shared in the show i was in contract on a home in uh st pete in december
uh was supposed to close the 30th and just it was a project though and long story short after
inspections and uh closing it was just going to be substantially more out-of-pocket dry powder than I anticipated
that was initially in the plans.
And I don't sit on a lot of cash, so it would have been a forced seller.
I would have had to move, let's just say, a Bitcoin at essentially the bottom,
like $85K-ish.
And long story short, I just didn't feel it.
I wasn't passionate about the place.
It was really just truly a flip, a flip and or rental.
And wasn't a place I needed to live, didn't want to live.
It would have been living around construction.
And ultimately passed and straight up told my realtor,
like, listen, I have far more confidence in Bitcoin and other assets rebounding
than I do the real estate market, at least in the course of the next six months. And
I know Bitcoin's pulled back a little bit today, but even still up more on the Bitcoin than I,
than walking on the escrow deposit cost me. So taking a little victory lap there,
more so the victory lap is I moved into a turnkey home where no work is needed and
love it. So more pool days on the horizon. The other one had a pool too, but it was
disgusting. It looked like a swamp. So it was going to make, you know, deep cleaning and probably just complete refinishing altogether.
This is nice, nice, nice pool, nice birdcage.
And on most days, not today because it was 39 degrees here in Sarasota, but most days open up the entire house, air flowing through it.
Excited about that. I will need some assistance setting up the office, however.
Not sure for the streamers out there,
I may have to drop some pictures.
I'm not sure the exact setup, you know,
just a basic room.
So call it like 12 by 16 and maybe like a three by four closet.
Window to my left or to my right.
I know neither of those are optimal for stream view.
You can see supporting the burbs.
If anyone ever dials, I'd probably have to open that,
that box sooner or later.
I'm without showing it. I've got whatever my,
I've got a reverse tip. If anyone can guess the coffee table book that sits below
the clean is there. So quick, quick tour. And then we're going to jump into all things. Web three
busy, busy weekend. Should be an interesting week. Today is a Martin Luther King day. So banking
holiday markets are closed. Will be an interesting Tuesday. Thank you, Von Fronten, for the tip. Greatly appreciated.
Here is so window on this side.
And then door on that side and then closet. Right.
So. Is if I do like a corner view, if I move the desk over here in the corner, is that odd?
I don't want to go the other direction because I don't think the window is in view is good.
Or do we just keep it straight on and build in the square that I have?
Thoughts, questions, any live streaming setup experts?
I did ask ChatGPT and it put me, it like put me right in front of the window.
I'm like, I don't think that's optimal.
And it finally, you know, it agreed.
And I go, I don't really want the door and the closet door in the background.
It agreed.
So I think this is maybe this view, kind of the corner view there.
If I don't do that, probably just straight on. Any recommendations would be
accepted and appreciated. We'll have a little prettier background. I'll probably keep the
bourbon view in Kalanos for tomorrow, but we will go with the corner. You think the corner?
We got one vote for the corner. I will, I think we may roll with that.
Should be a wider.
I think I can do the corner without getting the door.
And also mic, which usually mic is to my side,
directly in front of me now.
So curious if notice any audio differences.
Shouldn't notice any,
because the quality of the mic, it should just be right.
I got one more question.
And then we will go into the markets, news of the day, and a big trending topic that I think all of you should be paying attention to.
I'm not saying it's going to be world changing, but my spidey senses are going off.
I think we have, oh, last thing, I'm not going to talk football other than, man, I wish the bears would have pulled that off yesterday i think they're a fun
team and i'm i'm actually both i'm out i'm sitting he says the ceiling seems low at this angle so
i'm sitting but i'm i'm sitting on a bar still on a standing desk so that's probably something
else i could do for good call out mesh mesh i think maybe i go i go sit and lower the desk during the during the
stream uh normally i'm either standing or or sitting taller but i will uh yeah good feedback
there i will probably take that into consideration uh dt66 appreciate the tip zao langer to appreciate
the tip uh as well as on front there's got to be. So someone, here's the homework for the day.
Based on the first 14 minutes of the show over on Abstract,
there's something going on.
They turned on some sort of program, some sort of,
there's some sort of boost going on for Abstract streamers right now
because here's two things happen.
Now, I appreciate ending all tips,
but there's two accounts I don't believe I've ever seen before.
One tipped like 0.0000, like 10 zeros, followed by some numbers of big.
So like the equivalent of like 0.01% of a penny probably, maybe less than that.
And then the one that ends in 6.6 tipped 30 cents USDC.
I appreciate that.
Appreciate any and all.
But then there's also an automated message
before that. There's just, we don't, we haven't seen bot activity for a long time in abstract
that both all, all those look like very much. So bot activity, take a picture of the room and ask
Grok to set it up with your equipment. You have, I did, but I also had a bunch of boxes and stuff
when I first took it. So I think what I'll do probably re reattempt that with a setup. Um, because the, well, I actually, I take it back. I did not ask rock. I asked chat
GPT and the chat GPT recommendations. I did a sketch and a drawing and they look good,
but I, and I'm not, I'm not a streaming expert, but even myself, I knew they were
not optimal for, it wasn't an optimal setup for streaming.
It was just that was clear.
So I would attempt with Grok, see if it does any better than ChatGPT.
Also clean it up a little bit and we will go from there.
I have one other request on the feedback.
Here is the abstract chat for those of you that want to go check out the bot
activity. If anyone knows, I'm truly curious.
There's got to be something there has must've been either an announcement or
keys or they are just speculating, but yes,
something has changed over there with bot activity.
That's now pinned up top. I'll grab YouTube. And while we're at it,
if you haven't yet hit our newsletter that comes out once a week,
you hit the pool, the weekly pool.
You get the replays, the recordings.
Payton puts a lot of effort into that
and greatly appreciate the love.
The subscriptions on YouTube and the newsletter
do mean the world to us
and greatly appreciate each other.
One of you can't forget,
we've got a Sun Frontin'
do mean the world to us.
And sorry for the feedback.
Sun Frontin', we've got a sun front in the world to us and sorry for the feedback sun front and we've got to catch up to uh was the race to a thousand we lost we've got to the end of the
year to be out kicking in terms of follower count i said i was gonna i said i was gonna hit football
i just man pats go pats i i do, I guess I hope it's the Patriots,
although it is kind of laughable, the schedule.
It's like the opposite of the Buckeyes last year.
They had the easiest schedule in the regular season,
and then they get basically, I mean,
Jarrett Stidham may be better than C.J. Stroud's performance yesterday,
but just a cakewalk of opponents into the Super Bowl.
I assume they beat Siddham
and the backup quarterback for the Broncos,
although he can play.
He might shock the world.
If we get a Jared Siddham versus,
imagine Darnold's oblique is worse than it was let on.
He didn't have to test it in that game.
But imagine Darnold goes out in the
conference finals and we get uh we get drew lock versus jared stidham in the super bowl like
if anyone thinks the nfl is scripted that that would prove otherwise although the bills did get
screwed bills got screwed i also kind of think the bears got screwed i would have i would have
preferred to see both of those teams win and um i'm not like, Oh, well, but when the refs, but yeah, blame the refs. Here's the last question.
And then we're gonna jump into all things. I just want to flip on the overhead lights,
because there are there's a fan light, but then there's a couple of canned lights. And I want to
see if that makes the visual better, or it makes it worse. Right now, I just have the ring light,
which is in front of me. So this would be my last crowdsource video slash audio test today. And I promise we will get into
all the Web3 headlines, trending news, and Drew Lock Media Day at the Super Bowl, I guess.
It would be one for the ages. I'm going to go flip this light switch on, and I would love to
get your feedback on that. And then we'll stop. We'll stop the QA and crowdsourcing the feedback.
One second.
So again, this is with no overheads.
And this with overheads, which view is preferred?
This is with overheads and the ring light.
The first one is with no overheads.
Let me know any of the chats, abstract, YouTube, X, any will work. And then I'm going to probably
turn the overheads back off unless you all say this is the better view. No overhead. So I thought,
okay. I think my favorite thing in that whole crowdsourcing experience there was until Thomas replied,
my lack of patience was a, we crowdsourced a sample size of one. So Von Fronten gets
co-producer credits paying in the notes. Make sure you notes make sure you shout out von front and bomb get for his uh his work uh on the show today all right here we go jumping into all things happening as
always open open show here on coffee with captain anyone's anyone wants to join the conversation
feel free to drop your comments your questions in the chat down below or put a request to come
up on stage and join me would love to have you all up here. Ooh, you know what? I know I've been,
I actually think I've guessed here at nine crazy weekend moving and offline for the most part.
So let me check the schedule and hmm so not confirmed not confirmed
it was when we were going back and forth wait
we may do it tomorrow it was monday or tuesday was good we went for monday did not get confirmation
so there's a chance we we pivot into a special
guess at nine if they if they do jump up most likely uh most likely going tomorrow uh mesh
mesh says no overhead as well ring light looks more like natural light perfect uh i probably
could change bulbs out but we're just gonna get we're gonna roll with this there's one other thing
i'm not gonna bore you with but there is a, whoa, bots are, bots are out of control.
Bots are out of control. What's happening in the world of abstract bots are out of control.
Make it 10 Pingu. And you, and I won't complain about a bot. Each of those are right now. There's like, they're all different accounts too. This is why you know it's bots. They're all different wallets, all simultaneously tipped 0.1 Pingu.
So I don't even know who to tag over there now.
Like who would be Logan?
Or Logan moved on as well.
Who would be like public facing point of contact?
If you're not in the discord i will i'll tweet
this out oh shit i should take a better i'm gonna take it if i'm taking my own screenshot i should
i should um get a better face than what i just had one screenshot i took so it's it's a here's
the challenging part it's on delay so i gotta make make a face and then when it popped the seconds later when it pops over to abstract then i gotta do the screenshot so um i get like my best wow
face i've never done an intentional thumbnail all my meme work is is uh on accident so let's uh i It's a long delay.
There we go.
I think I got it.
But boy, that delay is longer than I thought.
It took me a minute.
Sorry for all of you had to suffer through my wow face.
Probably not my best work.
There we go.
All right.
Who do we tag, though?
Shoot.
Oh, there we go.
Who do we tag?
Who is support at Abstract?
What's up?
Osiris got another clip.
Thanks.
Thanks for that.
Von Front says, don't know how much customization working, wanting to do, but I'd find a way to darken the background so you pop more on camera.
Again, said painting, lighting, decorating.
Yeah.
Wasn't, wasn't wasn't
not wouldn't love to do painting but um noted either dark in the background or i guess i gotta
wear dark like wear the black hat wear wear dark hoodies would just would just stay
i almost said something else that would have would have not have landed as intended um who is the who is
who am i who am i tagging who am i who am i giving fyi if i'm not going to i don't need to bother
luca or um michael with this who is the point person or just the abstract account probably is the answer. We'll do that.
Let's take the abstract account.
All right, more coffee needed, 39 degrees. We need more coffee and yes, permanent residence.
No more St. Pete.
Well, yes and no, not as far as as residents but I do like St. Pete I will uh
skin tone matches the paint perfectly well I will get out in the sun when it's a little
warmer than 39 degrees I'll warm up we will we will fix the uh matching of the wall paint.
Here are the news.
News of the day.
InfoFi died.
And we talked about that on Friday.
Vibe coins is what you're going to really want to stick around for.
The very actionable, I think, alpha.
Even if you don't think it's world changing or the next
greatest thing. It is. I haven't seen anything capture this sort of like hype in a moment,
at least not at least not app based, maybe some chains, some infra infra but not not from a new concept i guess i guess
strategy token but i think that was more of a slow burn i think that that kind of
built up steam after the fact i don't know as if it was necessarily as much hype leading into
but um we're gonna hit on that here in a second before we do so
actually let's let's look at the marks i know it's down i don't want to be doom and gloom but i So we're going to hit on that here in a second before we do so.
Actually, let's look at the marks.
I know it's down.
I don't want to be doom and gloom, but I should at least hit on it before we move on.
So quick highlight, quick overview rather, before we go news products and people.
Fear and greed's down to 45, dipped a little bit.
Bitcoin down 2% of the day.. Bitcoin down 2% of the day.
ETH down 3% of the day.
That's 92.921 and 3213, respectively.
BNB down 2%, XRP down 4%. My mom's fine, though, because she bought a bunch of silver coins as well
when she bought her XRP.
I can't make this up.
She's crushed me in the last couple of years
simply by buying a bag of xrp and a
bunch of silver true story uh solana down six percent of the day tron down three percent or
2.3 doge down six percent cardano down six percent monero is the only thing up where zcash zcash is
actually down five percent so interesting there uh Privacy coins going opposite directions. Looking at NFTs, also similar
story. Pudgy's down 6% in the day. Ape's down 6% in the day. Moonbird's down 0.2%. Goodby's down
0.4%. Hyper's down 4%. Little Pudgy's down 5%. Mutant's down seven, although they're at 0.91, so they must have ran up close to back to an ETH.
I missed the run-up.
They are at 0.91, and yeah, they had a little bigger run-up
than I was aware of.
Several sales over one ETH.
The rest of NFT land land though uh mostly mostly red i gotta i gotta scroll down to
heavy metals activated uh 0.13 up two percent of the day adam and gabe and team uh continue to
drive some excitement there they announced they're gonna launch a strategy token long overdue we said
we were gonna get adam uh and or Gabe on the show.
And I think perfect time to do that as they move, get ready to launch this strategy token with TokenWorks.
I'm not, never any financial advice in here, never buy anything based on my advice, especially in NFT.
But I'm not kidding. If I was looking for an NFT to flip or that I thought had some short-term movement in it,
it'd be harder to press to find something that seems as an entry point at 0.13,
like heavy metals are,
by going into launching a token.
I'm not saying,
I know it's very different than Good Vibes Club,
very different than Chimper's,
but both of those have
been performing very well as they leaned into that token as their ecosystem token and peers with you
know unless unless i'm missing something that heavy metals will be doing the same thing and
they're not going away so flight we could could see a legitimate and actual flywheel
at some point a lot lot of capital there.
Although Adam is not one.
I mean, he's on record not doing the floor sweeps and whatnot of his own collections.
He's supported others, but he's letting the project do its own work on that front.
That's pretty much it on Market Update.
We will, I'm going to go pin actually the announcement about Tokenworks and sleepy Monday morning here on the holiday.
If you haven't yet given some love on the space, we greatly appreciate helping get things warmed up on X.
The abstract chat is rolling super deep today with all the bots over there.
If getting quantity of tips, regardless of amount, helps your XP points.
I'll be printing some XP points this week, so I won't complain.
I won't complain.
Yeah, Osiris, you win.
Even gets the good comment with the meme
without showing the abstract tip orders.
The Adams announcement with Tokenworks,
it's launching on January 26th.
Pin that up top.
For those interested and wanting to follow along.
You basically have a week to make a play.
If you want to make a play, do so at your own risk.
But yeah, I just, I don't think you'd find,
but you know really below 0.5 in this case it's 0.13 that is launching a token as their ecosystem
I can't think of another collection that's really below 0.5. In this case, it's 0.13.
token and it's at 0.13 i think heavy metals while
they have they you know they they haven't maybe washed themselves i'm trying to choose my words
carefully because i don't want to be taken out of context.
So I don't think this way.
I think the market may look at
they haven't washed themselves of the Yuga baggage yet.
Whereas Moonbirds did almost instantly
when Spencer acquired them. spencer acquired moonbirds
and it was insta rocket ship up and oh this is great you know ct community takeover by by spencer
that you know the community loves and adores well many people have said adam's the most important
person to nfts this cycle he's supported you know brett bud led life back into a lot of breed life back into a lot of
NFT collections with some big sweeps and support and create helping start kickstart some momentum.
I know he's different. He's not Spencer, but he's done all right. He has a lot of clout and
ability to drive attention and awareness in this space.
And they're putting a lot of resources in, pouring a lot of resources into heavy metals.
They're doing some things differently, i.e. they have a secondary collection launching, pets.
But to get one, the only way was you had to burn a heavy metal.
So it was zero dilution of the existing assets it was either or and you know even something like may
sound simple may not be your thing but even bringing back a little bit of game theory like
that like that sort of stuff uh is exciting to me uh joey i i we can take another direction later
but before we move on any any thoughts comments questions on uh or anything to add on uh heavy metals is the i i never got into the
heavy metal game is the game that originally launched with heavy metal still live or did
they sunset that game and now they're looking to do like there's something different coming with
them yeah no that game is has not been like so what is that have they said like what their
is it another game is it like what what are they
doing with those characters now good question um i don't i'm not sure we need to get we need to get
gabe and and or adam on to not just uh not just talk about this strategy token, but also like what, you know, what are they doing?
I'm looking now to see if I can find a post or something, but yeah, I really don't know.
I mean, I do know they're, you know, naturally going to be a deep relationship with other side.
naturally going to be a deep relationship with other side.
The tagline, at least per the bio,
per heavy metal bio is where gaming meets art and culture.
And, you know, the web, you know,
to get the website out to share here so you guys can see,
you know, the loading screen i'll just share here so you guys can see
you know the loading screen it's a port i mean but i don't think that style of game was a bad idea right like that whole like
like a lot of games that exist nowadays that are really popular are that whole like you know plants versus zombies or right like where you um where you like
just program them to do things i just think it got a little with the whole like cleaning up poop and
stuff like that i think they kind of lost people with some of that uh but that style of game, I feel like, is one of the more popular styles of mobile games.
Yeah, I agree.
Sorry, I was trying to... There's music playing right now. I don't know if you know that.
Got it. Yeah, it took me a minute to find the music off switch.
I agree. I think there could be something there.
Just done differently.
Now, there aren't any details announced today.
I will say this,
in advance of their token launch
with TokenWorks and NFT strategy,
they have this,
one of the links on their site,
one of the few,
it's called Scrapyard
and it's burned NFTs.
Activated heavy metal NFTs have been burned.
This auto updates every two minutes.
And we've got the burn address. So these are one, you know, then it's got next purchase target, current OpenSea floor price 0.183.
Status next to be burned. Total burn, nine NFTs, generated royalties.
What is the heavy metal scrapyard? The heavy metal scrapyard displays all heavy metal activated NFTs have been burned from existence.
The heavy metal treasury utilized royalty fees to buy back and burn heavy metal NFTs.
How it works, royalties fund the treasury with ETH.
The heavy metal deployer wallet monitors floor price for activated heavy metal NFTs.
When funds are sufficient, the deployer purchases the floor NFT.
So they've done in advance of the token, they're already doing buy and burns with royalties from NFT sales.
So mimicking what the token will do here, just doing it with royalties from.
And keep in mind, these are activated heavy metals.
And keep in mind, these are activated heavy metals.
These are ones that just...
I guess activated would be ones that did not...
I need to think through this.
Heavy metals activated would be ones that did go through and and will quote unquote get a pet so these are the
ones that you you burned and essentially moved to a new wallet an upgrade or excuse me a new
contract an upgraded contract uh the process started in december it's continuing on now
and these are these ones here are the ones that they'll be buying.
So they're making royalties on any sales in this collection.
And there's only 11,000 in supply.
So while Heavy Metal started with a large collection, you've got Heavy Metal's activated and heavy metal uh deactivated which are ones that did not activate so it by d
and i could be i could be incorrect here but my what i'm pretty confident saying this these
deactivated ones are like are the original heavy metals they're ones that chose to keep their heavy
metal and it's it's on the original contract.
It's they, they didn't activate it.
The quote unquote activating was burning the old heavy metal to get this new asset, which
I think is going to turn into a pet right now.
It's just, it's just showing the OG heavy metal, but it is the new asset on new chain.
You can see here contract on the original the deactivated
was march of 2023 the new one is december of 2025 so even though these are deactivated they're not
dead assets they're just there's 13 000 heavy metals there's 11 000 of the activated ones and
i think there's those activated ones are going to turn into the pet in some new game, some new experience, something
TBD. Does that make sense, Joey?
Yeah,
it sounds like they did a smart thing, which was
kill
some of the supply
and then make sure their royalties were
permanent.
So I think both of those decisions
are good decisions, probably for the long-term
health of the project.
They didn't really kill supply.
They just shifted.
They split it in two basically where they've got the original and they've got the new.
And now they're burning supply on the new ones with royalties because they're taking those royalties.
They're earning, buying supply, burning it.
So did you migrate the old supply?
No, because you said something about how some of them are in the junkyard.
So was that like the old ones that were migrated to the new supply?
Nope.
The scrapyard is the ones that were migrated to the new supply
that they're buying now and burning.
The new supply is earning royalties.
So they're taking those royalties
and going and buying out of that new collection
and burning that NFT.
So this is just, they just happened not that long ago.
They've already bought, they generated 1.81 ETH
or a little over $5,000 USD in royalties.
They bought and burned nine NFTs from the new collection.
Therefore, I think as a result, because the old one, you still have your heavy metals,
but they were encouraging people to migrate, right?
So the digital assets of the old one are still going to be playable and game or experience,
whatever comes, is my understanding.
So were the new ones, but they wanted you,
they were encouraging you to go get the new one, right?
So not everyone did.
You didn't have to.
The new ones, because there's going to be more,
there's perceived to be more utility as well as it's deflationary
because that's the one they're going to be buying and burning
from royalties as well as
presumably the fees from token works from the strategy token. And so the floor price there is
0.13, where on the other heavy metals, the OG non-protected, the floor price is 0.74, 0.74,
excuse me. I think further supporting my stance that I've been ranting on
that royalties are good for NFTs.
Royalties are good for PFP NFTs
and builders and artists.
I think you build a case for all,
except for those that are going to rug
or do not continue to add value.
And for art, it doesn't even have to be that.
But I think for the teams that are here
that are building and with their communities and wanting to provide rewards and incentives and do things with their community, royalties are a good thing.
The good leaders, the good founders are going to reinvest that into their brand, their business, i.e. the community.
And they shouldn't rely on royalties alone.
That shouldn't be their only,
their sole focus.
So don't make it be.
Turn the royalty switch on,
make it optional.
And then,
and then announce that
100% of your royalties
are going to go back to buying
and burning NFTs
or 50% are going to buy
and burn NFTs.
The other 50% is going
to the community via XYZ.
You don't have to force it.
There's a lot of ways.
I'm excited.
We're getting ready to partner up with someone here soon that is a solution for this.
And ideal long-term partner for us because it's something that we're passionate about,
believe in.
And there is a big need in the marketplace.
I'm not going gonna name names but
one might be pictured uh joey go back go ahead yeah i i'm i'm a big believer in royalties i just
think the biggest thing with royalties is how do you connect it how do you connect it back to your
holders so your holders actually don't get upset about the royalties so to your point if there's
an actual plan in place where those royalties aren't just, Hey, they're putting money
in our pocket and we're not, and we're not really doing anything to continue the health of the
business or grow the health of the business. I think that's where there's the disconnect. But
if, if the royalties exist, because you're like, for example, like you mentioned, like, oh, they're going to go towards buying and burning and, you know, token this and that, right?
And it's the health of the project.
It would be nice if there was a way, and I'm not a dev, but it would be nice if there was a way to have a royalty contract that allows the owner of the project to turn them on and off whenever they
want. So maybe you're like, Hey, right now we're collecting royalties because all the royalties
are going towards this, you know, this new burn buy and burn thing. And then it's like, okay,
now we want to onboard a bunch of new people or whatever the case is. Like we're doing some
special event.
So we're going to turn royalties off, right? So go ham, go buy, load up, whatever, sell,
et cetera. Or, um, because I think the ability to, I don't want to use, I mean, for lack of
a better terms, manipulate, but the ability to like manipulate how you're, you're pricing
by having a royalty or not a royalty gives you the ability to
run like promotions and specials.
And I don't know if that's possible with how open C has their contracts or
not.
but I think it would be cool if somebody can find a way to do that and,
and just say like,
Hey,
it's a royalty free weekend,
you know?
I love it.
so here's a shout out to Gabe. Gabe, again,
appreciate you getting this to me and, and we do,
I would love to have you and or Adam on here soon and talk about all this,
as well as the plans with this new token.
But this was actually announced today per by, by Gabe here, this, this goes.
So the activated ones will be the ones with utility
as we just as we did speculate evo 2 and pets so evo 2 and pets come out of that the activated ones
says here here's the announcement i'm just going to quote uh hey everyone as many of you know we
uh uh as many of you know the royalties generated by this collection will be used to buy heavy
metals and burn them this is something we started doing a few days ago uh today came up with the
idea of officially naming the wallet the treasure i'll be adding to it uh into the website uh more
visibility across our social channels and featuring on the home page so everyone can easily track it
well done uh worked sample size of one uh we went there not looking for that and i've already went
down this rabbit hole so uh just quick feedback good good idea to pull that to the front of the homepage.
As promised, before all sales generated from the official other side, gifts will also be sent to the treasure.
In addition, the fees generated by the token strategy, along with daily royalties from the collection, will continue to flow into it.
royalties from the collection will continue to flow into it. With this, the goal is to become
the first NFT collection to operate with a true on-chain treasure. If the floor price ever drops,
significantly may choose to activate these funds to help protect the heavy metal floor price. There
is no set date, time, or price when these funds will be used, the decision to deploy the treasury will be entirely at their discretion.
So, still more details to come, but further supporting that I do think royalties are a win.
James Hall adds ERC721C, my limit break does this.
21c by limit break does this um yeah i just the tech has come so far from where we were in 21 22
and we we've seen world we've seen a world with royalties maybe not enforced but for all intents
and purposes enforced across almost all nft sales in the beginning sure there were work around sure you could do otc uh there were shady sites that came up but
without even looking at data i think it's safe to say like 99 of nft sales for a period of time
were maybe it's too much 97 of nft sales for a period of time were royalty enforced via OpenSea primarily.
And then came Blur and then other marketplaces.
But when the elimination royalties on Blur and Blur farming on top of that
and incentivized bidding, that created this vicious cycle
where it wasn't just the blur farming it was
completely different team at open sea today so i'm not i'm not taking shots at anyone there
but they they bent the knee to blur and decided to eliminate their royalties as well
and instead of doubling down on the craters and the builders and supporting the ecosystem it just
became a race to zero didn Didn't play out well.
A lot of it ended up leaving the space. Some pivoted, found other ways to generate revenue
and or still doing so. Some have made smart decisions like launching assets on new contracts,
migrating, burning. There's been several different ways. This is just another example
of ones moving to royalty protected contracts. And I'm sure there's been several different ways. This is just another example of ones moving to royalty protected contracts.
And I'm sure there are exceptions, but the ones that come to mind in my head have performed
well.
It's supported the community.
It's supported the business, the brand.
It's supported the floor price.
I don't believe NFT PFPs and gaming NFTs were meant to be traded at high velocity as hyper-financialized assets, rather to be collected and used and bought by people who had plans for the asset that wanted the asset for more than just the ability to sell it to someone else later for more.
the ability to sell it to someone else later for more.
Maybe that was part of it,
but between those times, they were going to use it,
whether it was their digital identity or a gaming asset
or there was some sort of utility you could get out of it.
And we saw a lot more of that.
We saw a lot more experimentation on chain
when royalties existed.
We saw a lot more experimentation on chain when royalties existed. We saw a lot more shots being attempted.
And I know there's other ways you can raise funds, you can sell other products.
I just, royalties and the fact that you can program around them is,
like, it unlocks things that you can't do without them. It unlocks things you can't do off chain.
And I just, I would like to see us get back to more of that. And there's not one right or wrong
way. I just think that royalties can be a net positive for the ecosystem, for the holders, for the traders, for the brand.
And it's not one is the same.
Like that too is on a spectrum.
I think those who are more descriptive with it and put a focus on it and put those monies back into the ecosystem,
whether it's a buy and burn like we're seeing with this scrapyard
with heavy metals or they're taking royalties and they're going to pour it into a community event once
a year.
Like, no right or wrong.
I just think those do.
I think it's one extra thing.
Or maybe it's just payroll.
It's going to cover our team so we don't have to sell other things into, you know, more digital assets into the ecosystem.
Joey, go ahead and get back in here.
Have they, and I apologize because I haven't read up, but have they announced there is like the strategy token going to be adopted kind of how as their like official token how gvc has done it
or like what is their plan with this token that to your point like will will generate some type of
um upward trend outside of just like, let's just launch a token.
No, I believe it will, my understanding,
we'll get confirmation, my understanding it will be the
official ecosystem token. They're not
planning to drop another one and really
leaning, it'll be one of multiple
mechanisms to buy and burn
those.
Well, I guess they won't be burning.
In this case, they'll be burning the
strategy token by but we'll also be buying nfts so between royalties and the strategy token one's
buying to burn they're going to buy and relist higher you do have some some buy pressure there on the NFT asset. You know, I do hold, you know, I'm likely,
this would be, I'm not like an active NFT trading mode.
This would be one where I may look to make some moves
to trade around a little bit here
and at least to pick up two or three more
for long-term to see how this thing
plays out, you know, get, get my head back in, you know,
used to, used to think in three to five packs. So could, could, you know,
ladder out on the way up. And, um, this one, this,
this one feels like in range that would make sense to, uh,
make some moves.
I, uh, I got it. i have a meeting at nine but don't
forget it i don't know if you want to do it today or if you want to wait uh when it's not a holiday
we still give away uh give away we'll give away two of those uh sports.fun claw plays so if you
want to do it today tomorrow whenever you decide you want to do it however you want to do it um
Whenever you decide you want to do it, however you want to do it,
let me know who the two people are.
And this is – you will pick the winner, and then you'll send them the pass?
Yeah, so essentially we'll send them like a code,
and that code will zero out the machines.
They can play for free.
Awesome.
Will you have a heart out at 9? Yeah, but you don't have to do it today. throw out the machines. They can play for free. Awesome. Um,
you have a heart out at nine. Yeah, but you don't have to do it today.
Anytime, any day you want this week. Uh, cause I know it's a little quieter today cause the holiday,
but any day you want and what, however you want to decide to do it,
whether it's, you know, um, uh, someone in the abstract,
someone in the YouTube, whatever. And then just let me, you know,
have DM me there, send me their
names and we'll, uh, we'll get them taken care of. Cool. Yeah. I appreciate it. Let's, let's do
another day this week. We'll, we'll do either we'll, we'll play it out, but maybe, maybe do it
over two days. Um, door, door dads really pumped. Appreciate it by the way. Thank you very much for
doing that. Very generous and, uh, looking forward to looking forward to uh um things are way easier now that we're on base like we you could actually pull you could
actually play the claw in the base app so like you can just if you have the base app and the base
wallet you could actually just play the play it from there you don't have to go in on the website
anymore you don't have to go in your wallet browser on mobile like it's all available in the base app now so we'll be able to do a lot more
cool stuff heck yeah that's awesome um really cool i mean you're testing the thesis for what
can base drive in terms of discoverability how powerful is that funnel i i still think it's even
top of the first inning on that front.
Like I don't think every Coinbase user
has downloaded the base app yet by any means.
And I'm sure it's probably public information,
but I haven't, I've been following that closely
or paid attention, but yeah, that is,
that's big, that's real big.
Well, I think it's big today
and has the potential to become really, really big.
Dort says, really pumped for the Evo 2 art.
Activated Evo 1 plus 6 amps equals Evo 2.
The rarity of the art directly proportional to level of amps.
So I had 6 amps with mine.
So Evo 2 art is guaranteed.
I guess my question is, Dort, then...
Okay, so this is once they have that groundwork laid
for heavy metal activated, Evo 1 to Evo 2 or pet,
people are doing what I'm curious is what's next for sure.
So it is like...
Since I had the 6 AMs, I have a choice of either the Evo 2 art or a pet, but it's not both.
Is that correct, Dork?
Pretty sure that's right.
He can correct me if I'm wrong.
But yeah, love how they're moving over there and excited to, also excited to see what is next.
excited to see what is next speaking of what is next
Diego distracted me with uh the hello just because my brain is programmed now I think of
arepas steak and egg arepas this morning Diego I know that's not proper Venezuelan but
I will um I got an Italian on stage um Joey before before we get out of here, any other, I know you got a hard out.
So before I jump into Vibecoins in the next meta, I feel, on crypto Twitter,
anything else that hit your radar in terms of news, trend topics,
or noteworthy as of this morning?
Yeah, I don't know if people, we talked about it likeeworthy as of this morning? Yeah.
I don't know if people – we talked about it like fly over, fly over in the war room.
But if you don't know, there's actually an account called –
I think it's called X Creators or CreatorsX.
I can't remember what the exact handle is.
But it's – X is an account where they basically put out information
in regards to like
content creation, whatever.
And there was a long thread put out that basically said they're drastically,
if not completely eliminating like reply guy and putting a huge emphasis on
articles. So more long form content.
So for those of you that are, that like getting a little
check from X and if you're not following that page, I would highly suggest you follow it. So
there's been like a, uh, we'll call it a Renaissance if you will, on how, um, creators
can get paid on X now. First it was the elimination of Inf info fi and now it's the change from you know if
you just want you can't just go and reply and get and get like get um whatever it's called
activity that way they actually want you to create unique content that is your own in order to earn
payouts and again there was like an emphasis on, um, on articles and long form content.
So go, I'll go find it and I'll see if I, for some reason, it hasn't been letting me
pin anything up top.
So I'll find it and just put it in the replies.
If you want to pin it up top.
It should be up there.
I think I, I, uh, I think I got it, the first one, and then it's-
Oh yeah, there it is.
The Ultimate Guide to Articles. But yeah, to your point, a few things happened there.
I was looking for the specific spot where it talked about only paying for impressions on original you know, original posts, not, not replies.
I wasn't clear to me if impressions counted towards qualification for
monetization or if that too is eliminated.
And I think, well, I think I understand,
I think I understand the logic behind this and wanting to cut down, you know, bot activity.
I think that they will maybe not go all the way back, but I don't think they want to be disincentivizing engagement either. either and and to cut down on in in the conversation and to cut out replies uh they
are effectively doing that now what's the middle ground i don't know but i think um yeah
zane says the downfall of twitter must be studied can't wait to see more lazy ai slop articles i
can't turn off yeah there's going to be, I think this runs,
the million dollar article contest runs through maybe the end of the month.
Might've been two weeks, might've been a full month.
Yeah, it's going to be a lot of nonsense for a bit.
Probably, you know, one or two more articles that'll be good.
I haven't even read the one how to change your life in one day
that went mega viral that was before the contest i have a feeling the same guy's gonna win anyways
he's he's like he did how to change your life in one hour or something like he's basically playing
with the the format to see if he can you know hit it again hit the algo again and uh win this million
bucks i think there's enough community support behind him. They probably will.
Anyways.
I don't know, man.
It's usually I, when I'm critiquing,
I want to at least attempt to find a solution or what might be a potential
solution. I don't know here.
Like how do you incentivize this activity without leading to slop?
And I'm trying to compare to like a YouTube where anyone, yeah, anyone can create a YouTube channel, but they're not going to monetize.
The people can go engage in YouTube.
They comment and they participate in the chat.
They're not getting, they're not getting paid to do so.
So I guess as I think through that, maybe this is the right move to remove any sort of incentives for replies and comments.
Matt Moore, it's closer to YouTube in this regard.
It's closer to YouTube in this regard.
I just don't know what, like if I was Nikita or Elon,
what would you do to fix the monetization challenge on X
to where it mitigates or reduces or eliminates AI slop
as opposed to creates more of it?
I don't know.
And I think part of the challenge
is this stuff might be inevitable,
that it's attempted until there's some real barriers
or threshold or something that greatly mitigates
the AI slot, that greatly mitigates the AI slot,
that greatly mitigates the bots
or doesn't make it cost-effective
for the bots to do that behavior.
I just, I don't know what that is.
It's probably a billion-dollar idea, though.
Go ahead, Joey.
So our meeting got pushed.
But I think clearly what X is trying to do,
clearly what X is trying to do, I get,
in my opinion is they're trying to keep the money, like they're trying to keep the money
cycle within their own platform essentially.
Right.
Like they want people to like, for example, with the info five reduction, they want people
to pay for pay to boost pay to boot. Sorry. I was,
I was told sometime the kids get too loud. So if I mute, that's because they decided to yell at
each other. Um, uh, I think they want you to pay to boost your own engagement, your own articles.
They want it all to go through their platform versus, you know, using these external platforms.
I think the same thing with the emphasis on like the articles and, and de-emphasizing
replies, right?
Like they want people to create content that, that the timeline actually like new and original
content.
And then again, if you want your new and original content
to get impressions and to get boost, you know, to, to get paid on it, pay to boost it. Right.
Like to me, that's what it feels like is they want more people spending money on the platform
in order to make money. Uh, I mean, I could be wrong. Zane is a, you know, a lot smarter
when it comes to this stuff, but that's what could be wrong. Zane is, uh, you know, a lot smarter when it comes to this
stuff, but that's what it feels like is they're just, they're tired of people. They want people
to have to like meta is very like meta. I don't know of a way right now on meta to, to get, to
do anything without paying meta, right? Like there's no info fi on, on Facebook and Instagram,
right? Like if you want stuff done on meta,
you got to pay for the ads.
And it feels like that's what they're trying to do on X.
Yeah, maybe, probably.
Speaking of ads, related to this,
or at least related to ads is,
did you see ChadGPT is,
I don't know if they're not turning on for all but they are considering beta testing ads did any of you see i saw von front and flew up von
front do you have more info on chat gpt ads is it on for sure it's just a beta test small rollout
and then uh take whichever direction you like gm and i'm gonna go refill the coffee and be back and like feel free joey and von front and co-hosting until i get back from the coffee uh
all right well joey i'm gonna kick it over to you here in a minute because i'm in line at starbucks
right now so i'm about to go uh get the window here but um yeah double coffee run no um i can't
talk about x for a minute no open ai the only thing i've seen i think they're doing it for
free accounts only so if you have the paid account, 20 bucks or more,
I don't think you're going to see the ads.
How can it roll out?
Not sure.
Joey, give me 30 seconds, buddy.
Yeah, it's, I have the paid OpenAI or paid ChatGPT,
so I haven't seen any ads yet.
But I would imagine, again,
the idea is to monetize with open AI, right?
They want to monetize the platform in a way beyond just asking people to pay 20 bucks.
I mean, I, this it's, it's kind of funny.
The evolution of, we, we talk about why we stopped watching, why we bought streaming
services instead of watching TV was because we got tired of
commercials and now we have commercials on our streaming services unless we pay more money for
our streaming services it's like everything just kind of comes full circle um like so it's i i
i mean i guess it's good for them for their revenue but it's kind of annoying yeah i mean
look ads are gonna follow you wherever you go. I think that's the market.
And look, for OpenAI,
what I will say,
if anyone wants a surprisingly in-depth conversation on AI,
Ben Affleck and Matt Damon were on Joe Rogan recently.
There's this five-minute clip running around
of Ben Affleck waxing
philosophic on AI and things like that. It is surprisingly poignant. I mean, I know he was
smart. He never plays the smart guy usually. But he is actually really on point with a lot of it.
One of the comments he makes though, as you look at all this, a lot of the hype, a lot of the revenue, a lot of things like that is they have got to substantiate these ridiculously high valuations that they're going after.
Right. They are trying to raise a ton of money for that to be able to raise a ton of money.
You need to be able to prove that you are worth an even greater ton of money.
And so if you have you, you know, his comments are, you know,
they claim that nobody will have to work in two years because of AI and they make the hype cycle.
But geez, if I also can now show like, you know, even in a small pilot, we were able to gain or
earn however much revenue in ads. That's another that helps your next round. So I don't know if
this is a long term revenue model. I don't know if it's to help with the, you know, the next raise. I don't know if it's both. I think ads are going to
be there everywhere. I think my only hope, and this is the same thing, you look at Google ads,
and I'll get back to my ex comment that I originally came up for. But like, you look at
things like Google ads, it's very clear what is sponsored and what is not. You can even click the little
button that says hide sponsored links and just go to the organic ones. So yes, you can get to
the top of the page by paying. But hopefully there is still a way for the consumer to know like,
hey, am I being fed an ad that looks like a model or am I actually just being fed an ad and I can
go down to what the model actually thinks
if I'm looking for what the model actually thinks. Back on the X thing, I actually don't know. So I
say, I don't know, period. I'm curious. So obviously they've got a sales and marketing funnel.
They want people to pay for stuff on their platform. It's how they make it. It's how a lot of these social platforms make money.
I think the interesting thing,
and if anybody, like he was on Instagram,
I guess Adam Ossiri, he's the head of Instagram over at Meta.
I follow him.
I'm not even a creator on Instagram,
but he will just be ridiculously transparent
with how Instagram works with people. And he said, they've changed the algo a little bit, but he said several times,
like, look, our job is to keep you on the platform, like plain and simple. If I keep
people on the platform, then I can go sell the ads to everyone else because I have eyeballs.
That's their goal.
And so how they do that with the algorithm is like, hey, the stuff that you, you know, not the stuff that you like, not the stuff that you comment on for Instagram, at least for a while,
was we will prioritize the stuff that you share. So when I am sharing a certain segment of content
with Cap, that is why my algorithm now sends me a lot more of that stuff
because it thinks I really like it and it's going to keep me on the app so that I can see more ads.
So maybe long form content keeps me reading longer than little short form contents. That's
maybe the bet they're trying to make. It'll be interesting to see. I don't make money on any
social media platform ever. So I'm not personally affected by any of this but what i will say is like if there is a push on any platform towards meaningful uh net positive
to society content and not brain rot uh pure dopamine sensationalism uh only i'm here for it
dopamine, sensationalism only,
I'm here for it.
Yeah, well said.
I agree.
And while it is going to lead to a couple of weeks at least
of extra long-form slop to sort through,
I do think, I'm trying to think of, you know, like higher quality content, like non-brain rot content.
I do think that's a good.
At the same time, I can, I also understand these platforms, their goal is to keep, like you said, keep users on the app and that works.
So can they make it work as good or better with better quality content
i i the answer is probably yes if they can avoid that better quality content from being
over you know overshadowed by the quantities the mass volumes of ai slop because it's
by the quantities, the mass volumes of AI slop.
Because AI is only going to get better.
That's the one thing.
Back to the real quick diversion back to Ben Affleck.
I haven't seen the whole interview,
the Affleck-Damon with Roman interview.
Rogan, my mind's on the Roman Empire.
Do not spoil Game of Thrones.
I was very disappointed to see it starts at like 10 p.m. Eastern.
So my Game of Thrones viewing for this season will be on Monday nights, not Sunday nights.
So no spoilers there.
But the one thing I disagree with Affleck on was that saying AI has plateaued.
I do not think that's the case.
To me, it's still evolving at a very rapid clip.
And I think a lot of the other stuff he said made a lot of sense,
except I just, I don't think it's anywhere near the top.
I think it's going to evolve at a, even potentially,
even an accelerating, exponentially accelerating clip.
Has it, did chatbots plateau a little bit for a while?
Yeah, probably.
But the agentic world, i don't think it's
plateaued quick thoughts on that and then we'll keep it moving on at greater economy on x
i don't know how anybody could say ai is plateaued already what are we are we even
i mean i know ai's been around for 20 years, supposedly, with like, you know, the governments and stuff like that.
But from like a retail perspective, have we even hit like 18 months yet or 24 months of AI to say that it's already plateaued?
I don't think so. I think we lost Von Fronten. Von Fronten, if you wanted to weigh on that, throw a request back in.
I'm happy to have you jump back up. Yeah, I do not think it is um i don't think it's plateaued at the least bit
i i do think the for those that are battling through the bots on abstract i do think they've
left us we're back down to 16 viewers over there which is about normal uh 16 concurrent and um it
was up to i think 23 maybe 30 and 30 earlier uh 31. does that pay you based on
does it do they have a uh a payment system yet for for streamers like do you get like based on views
or no indirectly xp but don't don't know what that calculation is. And no, there's no other monetization
other than XP at this point.
Assuming that changes, goes TG.
Nothing yet.
Von Fritten, I'm getting the spinny connecting wheel.
If you can hear me, you might need to take a lap,
close the app, and try to rejoin.
Speaking of ads, when is Abstract going to put ads
on their most popular streamers?
Not joking, but one of the thoughts I wanted to get out on this ads conversation wasn't just, what does it look like on X for monetization?
I think we may not see a blockchain ad solution.
I think we've yet to see really stick there in terms of an ad, something real.
Like if you want to market to users' wallets, how do you do that?
The best way.
It's definitely not sending scam NFTs
that might pop up in their OpenSea profile.
That's definitely not it.
But how do you wanna market to these,
oh, this is great, this is...
And I still think that probably the best way
is like a vampire attack,
is by dropping tokens into wallets
of users that you wanna target.
But other than that, no one's created an ad vehicle
that really is stuck and works yet in Web3.
I think we're more likely to see it in AI before we see it in Web3.
And this is really probably worthy of an entire show conversation
about the new world of SEO or the no longer is SEO thing.
We're heading into the agentic world and what that looks like.
And it's,
they don't no longer care about your landing page and,
and how sexy it looks and how impressive your credentials are.
They care what the,
what the code says and what the reviews are and what the results are.
And they're going to make a recommendation on that,
but not based on how pretty it looks to human eyes,
like just a whole new world.
This is funny because one front, I do want to get your response to human eyes. Like just a whole new world. This is funny because, Von Fronten,
do you want to get your response on,
I don't think AI is plateaued.
That's where I disagree with Ben Affleck.
I want to get your thoughts there.
And then was it you that shared the article
about the internet landing page of old
is no longer what's going to convert in the future?
Was that you or someone else?
That might have been me.
I definitely read it.
So I know the one you're talking about.
So happy to comment on both.
No, so I think on Netflix comment,
no, I don't think we plateaued permanently.
Though I am,
at least for what is available to kind of the consumers.
It does seem to be we're in this weird little loop of it's a little bit better image creator, a little bit better video creator, a little bit faster model.
Everyone, like code is the new thing, right?
So it's, you know, Cloud Code,
and I forget the one that Google just launched.
They have one now.
It's Cursor, it's Codex on OpenAI.
So it does feel like we're in this little like spinning cycle
where everybody makes a little bit better version of the previous thing.
And so maybe it feels like it's slowed a little bit compared to expectations or compared to how it was two years ago when we were going from zero to one.
That felt like an absolute rocket ship, right? As we're going from one to two,
it may feel a little slower. The technology is probably way more advanced than even the zero to
one. It probably just starts to feel slower because it's like, what can I do differently?
I've always been able to create images. Now I can just create a better one. I've always been
able to create videos. Now I can just create a better one. So that may be what the point that he's making, especially as he's thinking about it
in the terms of, you know, movie creation, script writing, things like that. I don't know if those
tools are advancing as quickly, but dear God, you look at the stuff they're doing with agents,
you look at what they're doing on, you know, vibe coding and, you know, all that kind of stuff.
That feels like is where the focus is.
So, no, I zooming out is AI slowing down or plateauing.
I don't think so.
Zooming in to a very specific use case for AI, maybe.
But and that may be where he's focused on.
Makes sense.
And I would agree with you there.
I also think that that plateau,
if real is probably only temporary is probably,
it may not be next generation or the generation,
but I think at some point it evolves and takes,
it might be,
it might be one of these things where it doesn't,
it doesn't progress linearly.
It just goes along and it chops.
And then overnight it,
you know,
a model comes out and it's exponentially greater than all models before it.
Like, I do think it's very possible.
Absolutely.
Yeah, yes, yes, yeah, yeah.
And yeah, whatever, whatever slowdown we are, to your point, nothing goes in a straight line.
Like nothing goes in.
So like maybe we are in a bit of a slower part where everyone is trying to fine tune some things and then it's going to blow up again.
And then it's going to be like true, true agents, the true agents that we all fantasize about where
it's there is somebody working 24 seven to do whatever for me that I have access to as a
consumer that I can set up in 30 minutes with a simple series of prompts and I don't have to tap
into an API and do all this type of stuff, right?
Maybe that's the next one, but we'll see.
Back, so on the other topic around the SEO,
so for people who don't know the article
that we're talking about,
it was this whole article that now, you know,
they say, I forget what the percentage is,
but it's a growing percentage of people
aren't looking for things through Google.
They are looking for things on
the internet through AI search, whether it's Gemini, ChatGPT, perplexity, whatever.
And so the rules that used to land you on the first page of Google searches are no longer the
rules that get you referenced in ChatGPT, right?
Like ads aside.
And so what they're saying is,
Google, it was keywords, it was page structure,
it was backlinks, like there was a science.
There were whole companies built in the early 2000s
around SEO optimization.
Actually, I just said optimization twice.
But around SEO.
So now they're saying like the LLMs,
they don't care about backlinks.
They don't care about keywords.
Like you can't trick them what they're going to look for because what they can
understand is documentation.
So, you know, translate this into what does,
what does this mean if you want people to find
your website? Like, you probably still need to do all the other stuff because some people are
still going to go to Google and you need to use all the SEO tricks. But what it probably means
also is, boy, you have to have your entire, like, you know, white paper on your website in full
documentation. You have to have a link to GitHub if you're having an app.
You have to have the most robust FAQ section known to man
so that it gives the model a thorough understanding of what it is
so it can repeat back to the user, like,
hey, this looks like a really good thing because I've done all the research.
And so it's starting to change the name of the game for discoverability.
We talk about the website being the front door to a company.
That is still very much true.
But I think what draws people to the door now is going to be very different than what
drew people to the door even two years ago.
Yeah, well said.
I agree. I do think well said. I agree.
I do think it's, I agree.
I think the new thought I just had there was,
it really is an and.
It's not just shifting how you're building
to make sure that you're catching
what agents are looking for.
There are, at least for the next several years, there's going to be humans that are still doing
Google searches. You still do need to optimize and make it look pretty for the consumer,
the real human eyeball, because it's not going to be 100% agent search out of the gate.
Maybe eventually it gets to that point, but it really is an and and building for both and not,
not being a non-technical dev.
The next spot my brain goes is I wonder like,
what does that even look like? You know,
you think about like customer journeys. Well,
your customer journey probably is different if it's a human versus an agent
so much as what
they're looking at when they come to your site the first time and all the way through the
you know the sales process or all the way through the funnel whatever whatever you're directing
probably is different maybe not as varies as much some cases as others but building out web
properties to capture both is a new challenge I almost almost wonder, like, do we get to a point where it's,
you know, you've got amazon.com
and then you have a.amazon.com
and that's where the agents go.
I'm using this as just a hypothetical
about saying it would be this,
but just like you have two sites.
One is the internet that agents search.
The other is where the humans go.
Vaughn, front and back to you, and then we'll get Gary in here.
As somebody who, before I hopped on stage, was literally redesigning a website, I hope that's not true.
But I think what it tells me, so I have several friends, like friends from childhood who grew up and studied human-computer interaction.
That was literally the name of their major.
And it's like, you can say like UX UI, it's like a deeper psychological level than that.
But it like manifests in a job as like UX UI type stuff.
is like UX, UI type stuff.
And it is very much designing,
whether it's a webpage, an app,
a system, whatever,
based on how human psychology works
and then building around that, right?
That's why you have hooks
and a hero image at the top of the website
because I want to draw you in. It's why YouTube
thumbnails, some work and some don't. It's why some headlines work and some don't. All of these
things that grab your attention are based on some level of psychology because a human is interacting
with that content. I don't know what agent-computer interaction looks like. I don't know what agent computer interaction looks like.
I don't know what they are looking for. I don't know if they could care less about the marketing
text. And are they going to go straight for the FAQs or straight for the API documentation,
whatever? Maybe they're just going to be able to see the whole thing
because they don't have five-second attention spans
and they can very, very quickly scroll through
literally every bit of HTML code on your website
and get the entire picture all at once.
So how it's designed is less meaningful than is it all there.
I don't know what that looks like,
but I do think
that the rules are going to change and you are going to have to now serve kind of two audiences
your point i i wholeheartedly agree it is an and um and i think the ones that figure this out first
are going to have a leg up because they're going to be the products, the services, the stores,
the whatever that are going to start to get surfaced in models. When, I mean, look, yesterday I was doing some vacation planning for my family. I do it. I do most of my vacation planning in
ChatGPT because it's quicker than Google for me. And it comes up with different things. Why did it
bring up Enterprise Rent-A-Car instead of Hertz or
National? I don't know.
But there's something about the Enterprise website
that made it pop up before the others
and I'm sure it wasn't an ad.
So that's going to be the really thing that'll be
interesting to see how it evolves.
True story.
Well, I'm going to give you one guess
how I booked
my rental truck this weekend.
Well, I can get the guess on the when, which is probably 10 minutes before you had to pick it up.
But I'm going to guess ChatGPT.
Yes, ChatGPT a day before.
And did my research, got the best deal and and had again found a discount code
not making this up like this is like what he just described i did exactly this thing this weekend
and it saved me it was like half price it ended up being about half price had i just went to
uhaul.com like i don't care a box truck's a box truck i don't care if it says budget on the side
or uhaul on the side i'm not that like I could care less. And it ended up being half price. Normally my default
would have just been chat or would have been U-Haul. Just go to U-Haul.com, maybe Google,
but probably just U-Haul.com. But now because I start at most things I do in my life, I start at
chat DPT. And sometimes it And sometimes I'm putting inputs in.
Sometimes I'm just asking a question.
And it doesn't always end up being the end all be answer.
But it is a great point of assistance for anything in your life.
In this case, it literally saved me hundreds of dollars.
I didn't pay a half price just because I asked ChatDPT to do a little bit of research.
I didn't just say, where could I rent a truck, though, by the way.
I explained what I was doing, explained the back and forth, some mileage.
So either looking for unlimited mileage or low cost per mile.
And it did all the math.
And again, saved me hundreds of dollars.
of dollars. Great, great example. Thanks for the queue up. You also mentioned vibe coding, which is
Great, great example.
Thanks for the queue up.
a perfect tee up for our closing trending topic of the day that we're going to get to here in a
minute. But before we go there, Gary, and then we'll go back to Joey. Gary, welcome to the stage.
Pleasure as always. Pleasure, pleasure. Thanks, everyone. Love this conversation. Always such
good stuff. Appreciate the alpha when I can tune in uh captain yes side note tangent just realizing you're 10 have you ever said this you're 10
of the way through of having a 10 000 uh radio show pfp project right tokenize every single one
of the shows were 10 to that 10 000 mark it's kind of like an interesting idea. But yeah, SEO guys,
I flew up here talking about SEO. So love the space. I love people. I like helping people.
I've been doing SEO since before Google was officially a company. And nowadays I work for a technology-based Fortune 500 company.
Originally, I did SEO for them, and now I focus on AI search and generative AI optimization at an engineering level.
And so let me just say a couple of things, because the world is changing.
The world is changing fast, and there's these really extreme opinions about what's going to happen. But I think that the more things change,
the more they stay the same. All right. The first thing that we're going to say is SEO is absolutely
not going away. Telling people that SEO is going away is like telling people to not learn how to code.
People should still do SEO.
People should still create content.
People should still create value.
And it sort of gets into like, what is SEO, right?
Because like Von Frant was saying, there's a lot of companies that set up shop and they do SEO based on
sort of like mechanical sort of like create content, get links.
And that's basically as ethical as those companies are,
that's basically gray hat SEO, right?
They're just trying to manipulate the system instead of producing great value.
And the thing with SEO, the thing with AI optimization, it's all very, very similar.
It's not that SEO is going away and GEO, it's called GEO is what most people call it,
generative engine optimization. None of it's going away. Captain is right that there's an and happening. It's SEO and GEO.
And so the bottom line is that you guys want to create value.
You want to create content.
You want to create value.
If you have a blog on your website and the only purpose of your blog is to rank, that is a dead strategy.
You are going to lose all your traffic. You are going to lose all your traffic.
You're going to lose all your revenue if you are dependent on keyword ranking.
But we are still doing SEO.
We are still doing search engine optimization, but it's based off valuable content.
And everyone is doubling down on generative engine optimization.
And yes, Von Frutten was right when he said it's having the documentation
and he listed a bunch of great examples that were 100% correct.
You want to put your documentation out there.
You want to put links to your GitHub or the important links that you trust that are going to add context.
You do want to have robust FAQs, right?
And you want to have FAQs because you want to speak in natural language.
And you want to have documentation on the page because that's where information is coming from.
You want to have links because the AI is not just reading the pages right so that that's a big misconception
misconception uh the ai is reading the pages but the ai is trying to create context
to what's on the website so like if you want an action step of something you could do today to immediately start having an effect in terms of AI optimization, start adding schema to your website.
Start adding OG tags to your website.
If you have a WordPress website, it's really, really easy.
So I said a lot, but the bottom line takeaway, don't stop doing SEO for your website.
Start learning generative engine optimization.
This is not magic.
And just like traditionally, we've tried to get our websites to rank in Google.
So the goal was to rank keywords and get clicks.
The goal is now shifting.
Now, instead of necessarily being in Google and getting clicks,
we want to be mentioned inside the AI.
You want your brand mentioned inside the AI.
And then you want that sentiment to be positive instead of neutral or negative.
And the third thing you're looking to do is to have the citation.
Because most people
will not click on the links in AI, but you still want to have the citation for, you know, someone
that, you know, does want to take that action. So don't stop doing SEO. Don't stop doing,
start doing AI optimization and make sure that when you're creating content and when you're doing these sort of tactics,
that you're coming from a place of authenticity and integrity
to help people.
You're not trying to game or manipulate the AI or the Google system.
What do you mean by citations?
A citation is a link.
And I guess is there on that?
So the three KPIs, there's mentioning, there's like, does the brand mention your company?
The second KPI is when the AI mentions your company, is the sentiment positive, negative,
or neutral?
And then the third KPI, does the AI give a link to a website that you earned or owned or something like that?
Makes sense.
Is there, like, you know, Von Frensen says building a website.
We all agree it's an and, you know, building for both.
and you're building for both are there like is it is the simplest is the simplest answer just more
more more info more pages more content so you can hit both or is it more complicated than that where
if there's some things if you're building this because it performs very well in the world the
seo world that we've we've known to love but it's actually going to ding you in the GEO. Are they calling it GEO?
Like Metro GEO?
Yeah, I don't like it, but pretty much the industry is shifting toward GEO.
That's what they're calling it.
Generative engine optimization.
I think of, raise your hand if you've ever ridden in a Metro GEO.
It was the, it's what the gas friendly crowd drove before electric vehicles became oh yeah the car
yeah i remember that yeah i don't like because like geo seo is also like local seo but google
already has a product called aio it's kind of confusing uh a16z is calling it geo most people
are calling it geo makes sense but it's a it But to answer that first part of that question,
on one hand, you do want to have more content, right? I have personal clients where they just
want to have three-page websites, or I have friends that work in enterprise businesses,
and they have a traditional marketing mindset. And so these enterprise and small businesses,
traditional marketing mindset. And so these enterprise and small businesses, all of them,
they had small websites, sort of think landing pages versus my other clients and some of my
other friends, they had like these 10 page websites with a page for each of the products
or a page for each of the services. And so this is sort of before AI. And then when AI launched,
AI had more pages of content with the people that had a page for each of the products or services.
And so those clients, those websites, more information got integrated into the AI versus the landing page.
It was much less information.
With that being said, it's not simply just more.
It's about, how do I want to say this?
It's about providing semantic context, right?
The AI, you think the AI is a genius.
And granted it is, but it's not a genius by default, right?
And the AI is like you, okay?
It wants efficiency.
It wants tools.
It wants efficiency. It wants tools. It wants help. So if you add schema to your website,
if you're coding your website with semantic HTML, which is like properly coding a website,
if you add OG tags for shareability, open graph tags, those tags are providing semantic relevance
to the information on the page.
When you're using FAQs and short sentences, then you're just communicating plainly.
You know how we're cute as humans and we say things in different fluffy poetic ways?
AI doesn't like that.
AI just wants you to be direct.
Just call a spade a spade, give the information, provide the semantic context,
provide the links to the other pages because the AI is saying, oh, I understand what this page is
about a little bit more because it's linked to this page over here, right? That's like an SEO
principle. So you definitely want more content, but you also want to make sure that you're providing context between one page and another.
Appreciate the insight. And really, you know, we're often fortunate we have subject matter
experts, big brain join us, founders, team leads. Sometimes it's just, oh, I do this for a living
and having to work at a, you know, Fortune 500 tech company on this exact specific thing from an engineering standpoint in the AI world.
And, oh, I used to do it.
Like, it's really, I'm not just saying it, I'm not just saying it to Glaze Gary or all the audience.
Like, we've made it 1,077 episodes.
And sometimes, well, this all does tie into the creator economy.
And that's actually my
exact next question i'm gonna gonna hit it to von front with this one is we're talking
creator economy it started with x articles and in in youtube and you know abstract
should von front and should we for those that are creators you're building a website
what i wonder on that front as far as creators like how important is it for
the creators for their content to be found
by agents not just the the bot on the platform they're posting? Like is multi-channel
distribution, long story short, should all content creators have their own web presence
that is posting links to their articles on X that's linking to their YouTube? How important is the
linking to their YouTube? How important is the content creators own web presence? I know Gary's
going to say it should certainly be decentralized on a .eth domain.
But they should, I'm going to say that since you called me, everyone should have their .com
or their website. Everyone should own a website where you get people to your website. You can
tag people at your website. You control
the information. Yeah. A domain name is centralized. I'm not that extreme. You should
have a web two domain name that you own. You're a hundred percent of your business should not be on,
you know, Facebook or Instagram or someone else's platform. Uh, even if like you, your business
runs off someone else's platform, you should always have a brand and a content sourced website for AI or SEO or other people to reference.
Everyone should own their identity and their brand.
Absolutely.
A newsletter.
Again, all these things are the answer.
Speaking of, if you haven't yet, go drop your email at copywithcaptain.com.
Von Fronten, what say you?
Thoughts on that?
How important is it for the content creators
to have their own presence?
And I keep coming back.
I know it's an and,
but where my brain doesn't want to give up on is
what's the risk?
What's the downside?
At some point, is there,
by doing the end and creating properties
for both agents and humans,
does one of them start detracting from the other?
Oh, hey, Captain, if I could jump in,
just because I didn't mention that.
Bonfron, it is one website.
You don't want two websites for your AI.
If anything, what you want is an llms or llms.txt file which is similar to a robots.txt file
um the jury is still out if the llms.txt is going to take off some websites are using it. Some websites are not using it or engines, I mean. But if you
got the resources, I would add the LLMS text file. You could do that in an automated manner, but no,
don't create two websites. Oh, believe me, I wasn't going to, but no, I like the text file.
And I'll consider myself having the resources as I'm sitting here looking at
cursor.
So if,
if cursor can't do it,
I can't do it.
So I'm just going to say the cursor can do it because it's pretty smart.
I think the,
the question's a good one.
And I'm going to say it depends,
which is a weaselly little answer to give,
but it's what I'm going to give anyway.
So I think the, it depends's what I'm going to give anyway. So I think the,
it depends on what you're trying to do
and what is the audience you're looking to go after, right?
So case in point,
me and my kids,
we watch probably three YouTube channels together, right?
Where it's like, it's become appointment television for us, right?
It's like Mr. Beast, it's Dude Perfect, and it's like Mr. Who's the Boss,
who does a bunch of tech reviews.
My kids love it.
It's not people screaming, playing video games, so I like it.
And so we'll watch that.
I've never been to Mr. Beast's website.
I assume it exists.
Be silly if it didn't.
But I've never been to it. But website. I assume it exists. Be silly if it didn't. But I've never been to it,
but I've watched hundreds of his videos.
We have bought his,
you know,
snacks in the stores.
We've watched beast games on Amazon prime,
but I've never been to his website.
On that,
I just Googled Mr.
Beast.
I'm sure he has a website,
but to your point,
it's what,
what I get served up in order on Google is Wikipedia, YouTube, then like news articles and stuff.
The next sites, then it goes to Prime Video, Instagram, X, TikTok, IMDb.
His own website's not even on the first page of Google.
Yeah, but guys, what I want to make sure that you're not like missing
is that mr beast uh is a consumer business uh and so mr beast on one end uh on their seo he is
his seo is geared toward consumers but he still wants to have a website because there's like
business people that need business information right so it So it's like, uh, it's so, so there are different
audiences to consider maybe. Yeah. That's why I said, it depends on who you're going after.
Right. So like I said, like maybe doesn't need one, right. Or, or at least he probably needs,
he maybe needs the bare minimum of one to get in touch with beast industries, or maybe to have a
link of if, you know, I don't even know if he sells his food and stuff for via
e-commerce or if it's just distributed through Walmarts and things like that, right? Haven't
looked into it. So maybe he has a very little need to own mrbeast.com. I mean, he should,
so no one else can take it. But I contrast that I'm going to give another like big creator that
my family, you know, watches, which is like Dude Perfect, right? Again, their main platform is YouTube.
They are YouTube creators.
I mean, yes, they have their own app.
They've tried other things.
But they also do like a nationwide live tour every year.
So you got to have a place to go and find if the tour is going to come to a town near you
and a link out to Ticketmaster to get tickets.
They also have a ridiculously large merch line where they're
selling t-shirts and hats and hoodies and yada, yada, yada, right? They also have a whole ring
of sponsors that they want to give a platform to. So they're creating, you know, you could say Mr.
Beast, Dude Perfect, both creators, both have tens of millions or hundreds of millions, however many
followers on YouTube, both have different needs based on what they're trying to do because they are,
their businesses are different, right? Now, a creator, we don't talk about it because it's boring and old and no one likes to talk about it. But if I'm a creator on LinkedIn and I'm in a B2B
business and my content is going to be targeted towards companies to come buy my software, my
platform, my product, my whatever, yeah, you're damn right I'm going to have a website. It's going to be a professional
website. It's going to talk about all the things I want to talk about of why me. And then there's
going to be an about us section and it's going to look like everything. And maybe there's a link out
to my LinkedIn profile or if it makes sense for me to have a blog or a podcast or a whatever.
Sure, I'll have that out there if that makes sense for my to have a blog or a podcast or a whatever, sure, I'll have that out there if that
makes sense for my broader marketing strategy to have a social media platform that's linked into
this site. So I don't think it's a one size fits all. I would say at a minimum, get the domain,
get the socials, get the domain locked up, just more from an IP standpoint and from a brand confusion standpoint.
But how it fits into your broader marketing
and communications plan,
I think will be very dependent on who you are targeting
and the type of content you were putting out there.
Yeah, I...
Case in point, our good friend Dort has such thoughtful content that we had him
pegged for an owner and driver of a Geo Metro at one point in his life. Also being the consummate
professional, I am never making jokes about geo metro and making a
item out of a non-item that like 17 of us even know what the thing is um my i mentioned i i was
rooting for the bears since the niners got beat and i would really like to see him in the super
bowl caleb wayne made one of the like a video game play that he deserved to continue the season after
that my best friend from childhood who got me into kid you not i was
talking about him to outer lumen last week because uh he was the one who got me into that lord of
realms to uh magic the gathering that sort of stuff um he drove geometro and big like he was
like the football linebacker in high school, not, not a stereotypical
Geo Metro driver, but yeah, I had, um, uh, I had many miles in a Geo Metro in high school,
picked up all the chicks in it.
And, um, they got like 50 miles a gallon, believe it or not, uh, back, this is like
back in the late nineties.
So that was a, that was quite the engineering accomplishment.
I think it was like to get that, it was like not a v6 not a v4 it might have been like a might have been a one
cylinder engine at max it was a it was a three cylinder but it might have been like a a one
cylinder it was something else uh it looked like today if you've never seen one without googling
it's to pick it the image you had to think of like a smart car for today uh today's world
to be closest closest equivalent.
Jonah, I saw you jumped up.
Thoughts?
I do want to talk about Vibecoating, the Vibecoins.
That'll tie in the whole creator economy here.
We will wrap up with that today.
But before we go there, anything you wanted to get in on SEO, GEO,
personal branding, creator economy 3.0 GM.
Yeah, I mean, how important Aura Farming is to creator economy 3.0?
Yeah, well, I mean, I'm Aura Farming right now with my PFP.
I mean, there's a lot I could say.
It would require a whole goddamn space for me to talk about it.
I wrote an article
about it actually last night
to please Elon to be a good little
creator.
I think
proof of human.
Proof that you're
a real person, even if your
content in short form is going to be the biggest
thing.
I also think you need to really make content beyond X.
X can be your main platform. It is my main platform.
But I'm just seeing so much more growth
on YouTube, Instagram, and TikTok compared to using X.
I think it's just the type of content
I make maybe, but yeah.
Um, I just, I, I haven't, I've not read the whole article. I will, um, I will go back to it.
I will bookmark it and put it up top now for anyone wants to read it, but it is fitting
creator content in the age of AI and yet nice, nice PFP Took me a minute. I thought it was just the girlfriend, fiance,
getting you all cleaned up,
but it's just, you're in the world of AI.
I'm not this fat.
Again, that article is pinned up top.
I want to do the deeper dive later.
I also pinned up one from Dan Coe.
This is the one who had the 100 million view article that I think it's, Nikita hasn't directly said it, top anyone wants to do the deeper dive later i also pinned up one from dan co this is this is
the one who had the 100 million view article that i think it's nikita hasn't directly said it but i
think dan's massively viral article i think that inspired or at least had some inspiration in the
million dollar article uh contest uh this is his second article because he did that like a few days
before they kicked off the million dollar contest so So this is how to fix your light,
your entire life in one hour,
attempting to catch lightning in a bottle twice.
See if you can,
you know,
make a million dollars off an article.
All right.
I knew we're going to see article slop.
I know we're going to see a lot more.
No offense,
Jonah.
We'll see probably a lot of others that actually,
yeah,
I don't mean any offense.
I mean it like.
No offense to me. I'm, i'm a video and live stream guy i did the article just because i know that people
are going to want to read that bullshit but i don't i don't like writing articles well and
there's there's probably going to be dozens hundreds thousands of others that are almost
the exact same title like it's is some some, there'll be a few of those.
It'll probably just copy paste your article in its entirety
and repurpose it as their own.
I hope they've got some sort of checkers
built into this thing where they're not rewarding.
You have something that is a blatant,
you know, I know sometimes like a big account
will copy paste a small account,
they'll go viral and the new the the small account
won't hopefully they're not they're they're gonna have something to mitigate or prevent against that
in articles they're gonna heavily incentivize them like this
i i'm curious like what's next that that's what i want to see not just so like okay after this
what do they then what do they do video but i mean like so
beyond just like oh we're gonna do a two-month sprint we're gonna give a million dollars to
whoever gets the most views then what do they just gonna keep every month they switch it up
and do a new new form or are they gonna actually like what's their end state? If you want to know the answer, go look at XAI, like Grok, and see what it's deficient in.
They're not trying to retain users necessarily.
The actual goal of paying out creators here is for them to be able to absorb that data for their AI to try and get closer or surpass chat GPT
and then eventually go after Claude.
It's actually, I think, a really good take.
Is this a Jonah original or did you read this somewhere?
Is this in your career content in the Age of AI article?
It's in my article, yeah.
Original thought or are you parodying it?
Have you seen it?
No, yeah.
People will be surprised that I'm actually intelligent. I just don't really portray it on twitter because it's kind of boring
yeah every once in a while uh every once in a while i don't i don't agree with you all the time
but uh when i do it's usually on a something new a new thought like this that uh new to enter my
brain space so yeah great i think it's actually a great take and probably a little bit of both, right? Probably all the above.
Probably, yes, they want to do drive new users, time on the app.
Long-form articles are going to keep them theoretically longer.
User interaction, content creation, but ad revenue.
But at the end of the day, the number one priority very well could be better training data, more training data for Grok.
And if you think about it, like, here's where, like, getting deep on Coffee with Captain, is it better training data if it is a bunch of AI slop?
Like, yes, more good, long, like good actual thought articles are good
if the, someone uses AI.
And again, I don't,
I think most should use AI to be more efficient,
to proofread the work.
Back to like the whole,
tying it back to Ben Affleck.
Like it may not be great at writing a movie
from zero to finish all on its own,
but working with them to help the writers become more efficient and, you know, look at like consider AV scenarios, stuff like that.
I think it absolutely could be, should be used and could be a very valuable tool. there's also a world where the bots get out of control,
the AI slot gets out of control,
and then they're just refeeding Grok with its own bad data.
if you read the article,
I already forecasted that and what the response will be.
This is perfect.
This is live real time,
how to become a content creator in web three.
You produce some sort of content,
whether it's written or by video
and then you do media tours promoting said content and but but not just chilling it making it very
relevant to the conversation at hand uh well done so the next thing that will happen is
there will be two algorithms the general algorithm and then there'll be an algorithm specifically
for verified humans that a clod or any other LLM will tap into
because LLMs cannot produce net new ideas.
They only recycle existing ideas.
The only thing that we've seen with LLMs that actually do something net new
is when they solve mathematical equations that we haven't been able to solve.
But that, in theory, that could be AGI because all of reality is a math equation
or in the words of the quadriplegic who died, Stephen Hawking,
the theory of everything, right?
So you can read the article.
The outcome is hilarious.
Basically, the dumber you are, the more successful you'll be.
Man, the bell curve, the left, middle, right,
maybe has never been more real than now.
Well, I basically say until we get actual KYC
and this second algorithm that we'll have to eventually do,
like a layer two algorithm,
the only way to beat the algorithm is to be so retarded that the AI couldn't possibly want to absorb you,
but other humans will verify that you're real. Yeah. Proof of human is real. And
I think the worst thing you could be doing right now is mid-curving AI. And it's like either being really smart,
leaning into it,
and you eat,
breathe and sleep this stuff.
And you're,
you got a,
you know,
a fleet of agents running around the background 24 seven for you,
or you're,
I don't think most of these people are that brilliant with this fleet of
agent shit.
Like intelligence is based on,
can you produce something of value or
of use like you know i've seen people deploy all these agents and the best they can come up with
for an app is like an app that turns off your wi-fi if you jerk off too much like literally like i'm
like you know we're talking about things that are, you know, something you learn in sophomore year of computer science university, right?
Like, what's the value of running 20 agents if you're not actually getting anything meaningfully done?
Now, there are people who are doing it correctly, but there are a lot of vibe coder influencers now that are...
I saw a post yesterday, and this shit had me fucking dying.
This guy is vibe coding for 30 days, and he's like,
oh my god, I just reached $100 MRR.
Like, okay, so you just made $100.
Like, what is $100?
Okay, you made $100. Why are what is $100? Okay, you made $100.
Why are you using MRR?
What are you doing?
Why are you doing it?
Like, what do you do?
Who do you work for?
My favorite part of this portion of the show today
has been Jonah going full circle
to really, really profound, hyper-intelligent takes
to the problems he's facing
is discovering apps that turn up his Wi-Fi for...
Yeah.
Jerking off.
It's an incredible world.
Dude, I actually...
I used to present myself as only intelligent,
but if you've done content long enough,
you realize that that's a very sad existence.
And now I just feel like being retarded by choice.
Clip it.
Clip it, StreamYard.
All right.
In all seriousness, perfect.
It is a perfect segue to Vibekin.
We're going to get a little bit long this morning,
but great conversation.
Really do appreciate Vaughn Fronten and Joey and Gary's
and Jonas all really brought some big brain takes great conversation really do appreciate uh von fronten and joey and gary's uh and and uh jonah's
all all really brought uh some big brain takes and some real alpha to the conversation uh with
their uh their backgrounds and and what they do for a living and or are passionate about uh really
appreciate uh the value add this morning uh. Enjoyed the conversation. The last topic relative or
related to vibe coding is this post I will pin up top. I actually might have shared it up top
already. If not, I'll go grab it. Yeah, the one that says not an exaggeration. I'll shift to that
in a second. Quote tweeting a post from Meta Alchemist who just 41 minutes ago says vibe
coding is both easy fun productive
there's nothing else that can combine these three while giving you a chance to spawn a solution that
can go big seizes opportunity you'll never regret starting vibe coding uh that followed up a post
that says vibe coins will be a much better narrative than agent ones because we basically
invested in chat bots with a personality during the agent meta
with vibe coding real products that can grow into million dollar slash billion dollar businesses
will be at the center paradigm shift i'm starting to agree with the thesis i'm not i'm not not saying
it will work i slightly disagree i agree with the thesis that it could be better than
the AI agent meta, and
I agree with the thesis that this
very well could be
the next meta that captures
attention. The attention might last for
a month. It might last for a few weeks.
Maybe we get a three to six month run
and there's a real
bubble that pops here with maybe
one or two of these turning into a really, you know, a billion dollar business.
If this spawns one unicorn, it's worth the on-chain experiment.
Whether it does that or not, I think it's very much in rain that at least this first one captures attention.
that at least this first one captures attention,
Some people end up doing well.
some people end up doing well,
then that'll lead to at least one,
you know, one more duplicate,
one more derivative,
that'll be a smaller success.
And we'll probably see a few more before it dies out,
like most things do here.
That's probably the most likely outcome.
There's things in the middle,
but I do think between this is
billions you know multiple billion of dollar businesses to you know it being the a quick
speed run of the death roller coaster in each each one after the first getting smaller than the
others i i do believe this could kick off the next meta this is the original post for Meta Alchemist that came out on the 17th.
So this was Saturday at 5.15pm.
Already 1.2 million views.
Should have turned it into an article.
He says,
For the attention of all washed KOLs, trenchers, and Fortnite pro players,
you might have realized that by now the Vibe vibe coding products are becoming the next big thing.
Hereby, idea Ralph has a proposal.
If you're just tuning in, the gift by the way
is Ralph from the Simpsons,
typing in a computer with light bulbs going off in his head,
likely created by AI.
Hereby Ralph has a proposal, back to quoting Meta Alchemist.
What if every vibe-coded product
had a coin to pay the cloud, servers, marketing, and more? This would accelerate innovation,
spawn more vibe coders, let great vibe-preneurs access funds to build more, and make Web3 the
true home of all startups and innovation. Until now, you all have supported coins with no inherent
value. You have stayed sleepless for days or months over coins with a dog, a cat, or a frog picture.
You've acted cool because you have supported all the useless stuff and thought you were a 200 IQ.
Now let's do the same with Vibecoins.
Idea Ralph is to set the stage for the spark of the Vibecoin meta.
It will be the MCP that spawns tens of thousands of ideas that will become Vibecoins.
Idea Ralph will be the godfather of the Vibecoins, able to create the movement with the Vibecoders that use it.
You give it the dumbest idea, it can turn that idea into genius.
That's the Ralph Wiggum loop.
Idea Ralph will have its own token with no raise, all airdropped. It will have a mechanism that allows people to send their Vibecoins created by IdeaRal's MCP
to send a portion of their tokens to it.
And the holders of IdeaRalph will receive those tokens distributed to them equally
according to how much they hold.
IdeaRalph will launch from Vibe.
Vibe as the godfather of the Vibecoins.
What is VibeVibe?
Do some research.
Destination will be on base.
Drop your OX wallets.
A real Ralph Wiggum loop begins here
for the Vibe coins, for pushing products,
for transforming the DGEN's spirit
to the machines of production.
End quote.
He then followed up,
if you quote tweet the above post,
you may get a like from a mysterious personality. Your airdrop will have a multiplier based on the power of your message and its reach. The multiplier may be up to 250x. Spread the movement. Idea Ralph. Of course, I will reshow my post up top. I'm going to pin it all the way to the left. Go hit that thing with a like. Give me some love.
Help me increase my multiplier.
This is not a sponsored post, not a sponsored interview,
but I do hope to
make generational wealth on
this Vibecoin. Von Fronten, go ahead.
So did that post just
literally describe a pyramid scheme?
That's what I'm trying to figure out.
A vibe-coded one.
A vibe-coded pyramid scheme.
A vibe-coded one for robots, not humans.
I don't think that makes it any more illegal, but it's okay.
Yeah, I know I gave a very quick take about this in the war room so i'll give a slightly
longer take now um not everything needs a token um i'm not sure where the benefit here is um
like i mean i guess if it's are we saying it's more utility than your average meme? Sure.
If it's actually something that I think is going to be beneficial and has legs and won't be the next four weeks meta and then will disappear once somebody, uh, you know,
nukes the,
the liquidity pool and takes all the money and runs.
Like that's where,
that's what I'm trying to figure out.
Like,
I feel like it was something that like,
I've read all about,
like,
you know,
the whole Ralph Wiggum,
you know,
skill and Claude and how magical it's supposed to be.
I haven't used it yet.
I like,
I I'll say, I like the idea of saying,
hey, don't just do this for attention and views
and things like that, but actually submit ideas
and we'll create apps out of it.
But I don't know.
I'm not sold yet on it,
and it just feels very very ponzi-esque um and that somebody at the top of
the pyramid is going to run away with the money like they typically do with pyramid schemes and
with the vast majority of meme coins also in the range of outcomes i I, just to be clear, I do not think Vibecoins are going to be the next NFT mania.
I don't think it's going to be the next meme coin mania.
And it likely isn't even as big as what the AI agent coin meta was.
what the AI agent coin meta was.
Maybe, you know what?
It also, I think it's highly likely
that the success or failure,
the longevity of comes down to this first one.
If this one is a crash and burn,
like most, the majority,
at least in the chats are saying today,
whatever this thing is, it's going to be crash and burn real hard real fast
geo not geo metro uh the the uh the human or robot account on x known as geo geo says um
um vibe coins lol it's not snake oil. It's reptile oil.
This is, could it end up being a rug?
Meta Alchemist does have some respect of some influential individuals,
not just paid KOL skills, been around for a while.
I don't know Meta Alchemist personally.
I've interacted, I've had no bad experiences and i my understanding is also
has respect and is trusted by many others that have what the kids would say motion
that combined with a you did not just say that you did not just say it that way. Holy shit. Holy shit. That combined with something new, new experiment on chain,
will it be even as, is it going to be the next,
like an ongoing sector that sticks and lasts like brand coins,
agent coins.
I think, not saying that it'll be as successful
as either of those,
but I think if there's something more to it
than just token that was vibe coded,
potentially, you know, if there's something like a token works type protocol, that was vibe coded potentially.
If there's something like a token works type protocol,
if it's a pump fun-esque launch pad,
I don't know exactly what direction.
All I know is if it is successful,
I do think we'll see the roller coaster.
I do think we'll see attention flow to it.
And therefore myself, I'd like to get a free airdrop to position
i'm probably not dumping it all at launch because i would like unless it's crazy valuation because
i'd like to see what they do with it and i think if it's successful success will will drive more
attention and potentially more success i just i don't know to to to everyone who all the naysayers or those that say, this is going to
crash and burn real fast. You're probably right. Especially if all it is, is just trying to put,
you know, a buzzword on something and Ponzi it up. Yeah. You're, you're likely exactly right.
I'm a little cautiously optimistic that it might be something more than that.
I wouldn't plan to rush out and buy
this thing at launch but it's free to comment you don't have to even quote tweet you can just go
drop your eth address an ebm address it's going to launch on base so all you got to do is drop your
your click click the post up top the quote uh the post that i'm quote tweeting in that that start
the one that starts not an exaggeration that's the original post from meta alchemist drop your wallet address in there not my
post but the one i'm quote tweeting drop your wallet address in there and you might get some
tokens um if you want to lean into it the quote tweet is how you earn the multipliers
so many comments that's it it's one i think it's we're going to be following along is it crash and burn
probably something new some experimenting um yeah teacher katie says making bank with the tips today
i can't wait to see what my g blue volume is gotten a few g blue tips over there i've gotten
so where i will make bank like the pingu i think I've gotten 100 tips over there in Pingu today, all 0.1.
So 10 Pingu, adding up the growing the wallet.
Not going to make a ton of bank on the tips themselves.
But if there is some sort of XP multiplier, you know, in theory, it could convert like you get some big bonus by how many
the the quantity of tips you get i'm guessing that's why they're doing this i'm guessing the
quantity of tips or i haven't looked close enough these are all different accounts there's some sort
of civil going on here there's some sort of farming without a doubt and not that i'm doing any of this or that i'm asking or looking for this
i'm just saying like there could be a you know silver lining here of the chat getting cluttered
and then i'm going to get up getting triple the xp this week because it looked like i got
hundreds of tippers um i would i'd much prefer the clean chat and and just authentic tips but
I would much prefer the clean chat and just authentic tips, but there's something going on.
So this is new.
I don't know what triggered this, why people would start doing this now.
We've never seen this before, but maybe they're just guessing.
Unless it's one person with hundreds of wallets, something's triggered a rush of tip oars in abstract.
And this is going to be part of the creator economy 3.0 challenge on whatever platform
they're on.
If the readers, the viewers, the participants, those that are consuming the content, if they're incentivized, I don't know how you keep out bots.
I'm not someone I've never coded than it is to create a bot that's going to create content
that's going to be as compelling enough that other people are going to log in and engage with
and or tip. So like from the difficulty, the technical lift to do create these sort of bots,
I think is very low. In fact, I would guess most of us,
if we'd spend an hour with Pod or ChatGPT,
we could probably figure out how to code one very similar
if we wanted to.
I just have no desire.
It's a real challenge.
It's a real challenge in the creator economy 3.0,
especially if you're incentivizing engagement.
So not defending any of the moves by Nikita or X recently,
but, and I say this as someone
who's not qualified for monetization.
I've not hit the 5,000, 5 million impressions
in three months.
Should have been doing that.
I said I should have been doing it for years.
I didn't.
I never prioritized that part of the game.
I never played the game.
And not that I care to be paid on them,
but I'm down bad if now it's much, much, much harder for me to hit 5 million impressions in
three months. I actually am going to have to go viral, not just grind. Like if they've eliminated
the ability to grind, good for the ecosystem, bad for caps, bags, and it may be ever getting paid on
X. Chris, a real tip in there.
Thank you for ending the day on a high note.
Appreciate one Pingu.
That one tip from you means more than every other tip today,
except for Von Frutten's 69 Pingu tip.
You all are much more meaningful than the bots.
So thank you very much.
Thank you again to Jonah, Von Frutten, Gary, and Joey for adding to the conversation today.
Really did enjoy it.
More on this soon.
It won't be the end of the Crater Economy or the Crater Economy 3.0 discussion.
It's not just this X article.
I think it really does.
Not that they're all the same they are different like if you're if you're a brand and
you're selling widgets or you're selling physical products different than a content creator however
i do think the journey the path forward the best practices the the learnings the
the techniques and things that you should be doing in today's world,
there's a lot of overlap there. There's a lot of being cognizant of
GEO or generative engine optimization and basically thinking with a
And basically thinking with a bot mindset, both, not just a bot mindset, but the and is important to where anything you're building, whether it's content or, half the eyeballs that see this are going to be a robot and not a human, is this the path I should be going down?
Is this the product, how I should be building this product, how I should be building this landing page?
And I think that goes for almost everyone.
you know, unless you're just some strictly large B2B, you're dealing just government contracts
or something like that. Most people, if you're creating anything, products or content, you need
to be thinking about this massive shift in discoverability in our digital world because
it has changed and it's changing ongoing for a while. That said, happy Monday to all.
Enjoy the rest of your day today.
And we'll be back tomorrow.
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Heavy Metals announces the launch of a strategy token, indicating a new project that aims to enhance the ecosystem and drive engagement within the community.
drive some excitement there they announced they're gonna launch a strategy token long overdue we said
we were gonna get adam uh and or Gabe on the show.
And I think perfect time to do that as they move, get ready to launch this strategy token with TokenWorks.
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The upcoming launch of the strategy token on January 26th is highlighted, providing a clear date for the community to anticipate and prepare for participation.
That's pretty much it on Market Update.
We will, I'm going to go pin actually the announcement about Tokenworks and sleepy Monday morning here on the holiday.
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Like, repost, bookmark.
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The discussion reflects on the challenges faced during the live stream, showcasing the evolving nature of technology and the importance of adaptability in the crypto space.
over on abstract, but we are live over there now.
GM Mesh Mesh and Teacher Katie,
looks like you both found us.
The host shares personal experiences of moving and settling into a new home, drawing parallels to the growth and changes in the crypto market.
However, I can acknowledge and admit that I am actually aging.
And I don't know if Joey's out there yet, but the peptides are happening for sure because my recovery is not what it once was.
I moved this weekend and a little bit of move on Friday,
The mention of InfoFi's demise signals a significant shift in the crypto landscape, prompting discussions on the future of decentralized finance and the need for innovative solutions.
News of the day.
InfoFi died.
And we talked about that on Friday.
The collaboration between Heavy Metals and TokenWorks signifies a strategic partnership aimed at enhancing the project's offerings and expanding its reach.
gabe and and or adam on to not just uh not just talk about this strategy token, but also like what, you know, what are they doing?
I'm looking now to see if I can find a post or something, but yeah, I really don't know.
I mean, I do know they're, you know, naturally going to be a deep relationship with other side.
The discussion on how royalties from the collection will be utilized to buy back and burn NFTs illustrates a yield mechanism that benefits token holders and enhances value.
in advance of their token launch
with TokenWorks and NFT strategy,
they have this,
The mention of a treasury funded by royalties indicates a grant-like structure that supports the project's sustainability and growth.
And keep in mind, these are activated heavy metals.
And keep in mind, these are activated heavy metals.
These are ones that just...
Dude Perfect's success in merchandise sales and live tours showcases the potential for growth in the creator economy, emphasizing the importance of diversifying revenue streams.
They also have a ridiculously large merch line where they're
selling t-shirts and hats and hoodies and yada, yada, yada, right? They also have a whole ring
of sponsors that they want to give a platform to. So they're creating, you know, you could say Mr.
The collaboration between creators and brands highlights the significance of partnerships in driving engagement and expanding reach within the creator economy.
going to be an about us section and it's going to look like everything. And maybe there's a link out
to my LinkedIn profile or if it makes sense for me to have a blog or a podcast or a whatever.
Sure, I'll have that out there if that makes sense for my to have a blog or a podcast or a whatever, sure, I'll have that out there if that
