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Cross Cultural Perspectives on Global Unity? Part II๐๐พโจ
Recorded: Jan. 28, 2026 Duration: 5:59:49Space Recording
Full Transcription
you you Hey Mela, good to see you.
I'm going to play a couple of tracks until the room fills up a little bit and then we'll
get the space going. I I know what you want baby I know what you need mama
You come here come my lady You know what else I want to wear now
Oh do you be sugar baby Come soothe my coffee mama
Oh buy me the sugar cousin You're the only one that I be thinking now
Oh baby You're the only one that I've been thinking of Only one I really wanna spend my time with you
Everything you do, you got me all so into you
Yeah, I'm feeling you go up
Yeah, I wonder how did I find you
Where did I find you
Where did you come from? Can I find you? Where did I find you? Where did you come from? Can I follow you?
Love me, take your tender, baby, I surrender
I wanna hold you tight, talk through the night
I know what you want to, baby, I know what you need tomorrow
You call me, I come, my camera lady You know there's no one
No matter what you do
You should be sure, baby
Come to take my coffee, mama
Oh, I'm making sure
I can't see
Let us try
Oh, oh, oh
Oh, oh
Oh, oh, oh
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
Baby, let us go
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
We'll be down
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
We'll be home tomorrow
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
I know what you want today
I know what you need tomorrow
Oh, tomorrow
Be my sexy love
Be my coffee love Be my love Oh Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, Thank you. Oh, I saw it, she hit me like, Dadoo, saw that thing so beautiful, Dadoo, she just hit
my heart, oh, Dadoo,ed for her, said she got me like
Dado
I be like
Dado, Dado
Why you so fine?
Dado, Dado
Time to make you mine
Dado, Dado
So hard to find
Dado, Dado
Baby like oh How'd you do the thing?
The way that you do it in, she ain't even told nothing
She be walking around so confident, so heaven sent
I think she was meant to knock them, baby
Lady, lady
Like, lady, lady, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, She was so sublime, super fine, she was never lying
Strutting in the hills or her slides, either way
Eyes on her every single day, week, year
Everyone wondering how she does it with no fear
All that confidence, was it heaven's den?
Does it come within? Does it come without? She does it with no fear, all that confidence. Was it heaven's den?
Does it come within?
Does it come run out?
I don't know.
She'll just have them running out and in.
Man, they want to see them talking deadly sin with Mrs. Lady.
I don't understand why she hit them like. Lady!
Lady!
Hey!
Hey!
Lady!
Lady!
Girl, you knockin' it. Lady! Lady! Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Baby you like I'm dead I'm already dead Oh Oh, welcome welcome everyone i'll just put on my headsets here real quick
throw me an emoji if y'all can still hear me am i good okay well welcome everybody kim
mella aura chaddy sheila nate good to see you bro it's been a while yeah we're back at it
how to achieve global unity part two i actually actually might change the title in the space because, you know, I know titles can, you know, create a lot of not just assumptions, right, but it can lead trying to curate here with this space for all of us.
And I think I might turn it to cross-cultural perspectives on global unity.
And so welcome, everybody. It's great to see the divine feminine energy in the building.
So feel free to grab a mic if you'd like to, but no worries, no pressure.
I don't have set co-hosts for this space, but if
the room fills up and if there's not enough mics available, then I'll definitely have some co-hosts
as well. Feel free to interact with us as well down there in the purple pill, share your reflections,
and then if there's a pause in the space, then we'll try and tap in as well. So I'll go into my
formal opening statements. Some of it might sound a little bit left field, but I didn't want to overthink this too much.
But I did want to just focus on being solution oriented.
Right. So I was watching a podcast, I think it was a couple of weeks ago.
And this guy called Richard Kipping, I think he's a astronomer slash astrophysicist and you know
he looks at planets and comets and all this you know that stuff right and he was talking about
quantum immortality right which is this idea of how our lifespans would perhaps shape how we
think about things that we share as part of commonalities that have to do with the human
race and so he had hinted like perhaps, okay,
if we were immortal beings or we are immortal beings, then maybe we wouldn't be as motivated
because human beings are tribalistic in nature. And so with that sense of tribalism, that is that
competitive knack or edge that we have. But it also seems like there's also an imbalance in a
way whereby the heart-centered
peace doesn't come to the forefront. And if that doesn't come to the forefront, then that means we
are limited to short-termism and the ways we go about things. So perhaps imagine if we were able
to live, like, let's say 500 years, for instance, right? And maybe things such as climate change,
if we believe that to be true, we'll probably be taken a little bit more seriously because there'll be more implications to that when we know we're going to be living in it.
In the last space, we talked about a lot of different things. Kim talked about being able to navigate the ugly, the murky waters, in order to achieve what we would want to achieve as a collective.
to achieve what we would want to achieve as a collective. One of the other things we talked
about was generational gaps and the disconnects amongst different generations, right? Who gets
acknowledged, who doesn't. And I think if you're living for such a long time, there's going to be
so much reflective collective insights that will come about through the act of just existing and
existing for so long. And perhaps maybe even how we view this planet
in relation to each other would shift too.
Another thing I've been strongly reflecting upon
in relation to myself is the concept of humility.
And I know that's in the 12 laws of karma.
I think it's the third law.
But also, I've been thinking about it in relation to
it being a divine virtue as part of one's individual In addition to, humility
could perhaps promote more observational thinking in a way whereby we realize even what we know,
there's more we can learn from each other. And if we're walking each other home as part of that
remembrance piece as it pertains to the collective conscious, then this would help alleviating putting
oneself on a pedestal or having internal claims which may not be expressed outwardly in a hierarchical manner when thinking about the fellow man.
So my intention here is not to bypass history, injustices, inequity, inequality, or systems that be.
My intention here is how can humanity be intentional towards each other without the reliance or over-dependence on ideological attachments that could lead to maladaptive behaviors, going back to that tribalistic thinking, and being able to promote theory of mind by reserving impending judgment while being in those reflective states of observation and being solution-oriented from the people to the people, which is inclusive of every person on earth.
evolution-oriented from the people to the people, which is inclusive of every person on earth.
Inclusivity is a fundamental factor here in which I propose, whereby it could be crucial when
deconstructing and ushering life-giving paradigm shifts for the good of humanity.
So perhaps conversations in spaces such as this can become a formal archaeological record that
future generations can look back into and see, reflect upon, engage with,
and how humanity tried to push the needle, even if it was little by little, and the micro in order to impact the micro.
Lastly, I did have some reflective questions that I had posted earlier on, Sheila Isioma Adju,
I'm going to add you, whereby the questions were, is achieving global unity and peace complicated by lack of introspection?
Does acceptance, not agreement, contribute to our shared commonalities?
And lastly, is the concept of the human family a fallacy altogether?
So with that, I will land there.
Those are my opening statements. I hope that helps open it up a little bit. Feel free to grab a mic, guys.
And Sheila, welcome to the space. How are you doing today, first and foremost? And what are your thoughts on this topic?
Yes, I'm doing better. I'm fine. Thank you very much, Perez. I hope you're doing well too. You sound like you're
in good spirits and I hope the same for everyone. You know, the minute that I thought you couldn't
just get any wiser and any more like impressive in disparity. One. Two, I think you're
spot on with the idea or the concept of dualism and how that is where we're kind of somewhat
mixed up because in, let's say, philosophy, mind and body are both real and fundamentally distinct.
They are, so we have this physical body, which we have the attributes of all the, whatever
the physical science say we do, we have size, weight, blah, blah, blah, blah, all the physical,
but there's also that mental part, which is not part of the body.
So, and then that can lead to, you know, addressing like what kind of,
what's the difference and what breaks the gap or the problem,
explaining the difference, how they explain.
It's a huge discussion in the realm of professors
or the professionals in philosophy.
And it really dates back, I'm dating myself,
I'm not dating myself, but just the things that I remember learning with Aristotle and Plato.
Like, so I guess the influences the both the ancient Greek and also the Far East, right?
Where the Far East believes, not all of the Far East,
but the Far East believe that the immortal part of us,
the essence, the spirit, the soul, whatever,
that it survives this body. So I just narrow it down or dummy it down by saying
there's difference in beliefs of whether or not we actually are just housing
this avatar and then our essence our soul still continues it's that immortal part but our mortal
part is this physical body but that bringing it down to ontological disparity, that addresses a lot of the implications of like social
justice, right? And how are we different? I mean, are we at all different just because of our skin,
our making, our consciousness? Some remember and some don't. I don't know. I think that's what you're kind of addressing in this
achieving global unity because there's a difference in thoughts or belief or whatever it is that it's
in us that I say, even though I grew up as a Catholic, I first innately knew that we incarnate
and where did that come from?
You know, those are the things, ongoing stuff in my head that I always wondered as a child,
always questioned and I got in trouble for it.
But anyway, I think that's what you're addressing, right?
Kind of?
No, yeah.
I think, thank you for your statements.
First and foremost, I'm glad to hear that you're doing better and I'm doing OK. I'm present and I'm anchored in the now. So I appreciate everybody that's in the room. And guys, don't be afraid to grab a mic, man. I don't want to force you. But I honestly, as part of my intentions for this space, I don't want to do too much talking. Yes, I will be reflecting upon the shares, but it's not about me. It's about all of us, right? And I want to be intentional with that process.
I think, you know, the ontological disparity that you were saying, as well as, you know,
you've hinted at this before in other conversations, right? Like when it comes to
objectivity and philosophy, like even that in itself, objectivity in itself can be subjective, right,
fundamentally. And so even when we're talking about duality or dualism, right, distinction
doesn't have to equate to separation. We can honor distinctions, but we can also say, okay,
this is different from this, but that doesn't mean they're separate, right? So that's part of
recognizing the whole. And you raise up an interesting point too you know the immortal part of us survives this body
and so going back to clinging on to attachments you know one could you know ask the question right
like are we super seeped in to this matrix that maybe if we're not aware and if we're not exhibiting ongoing
self-awareness that we might bypass you know what is to come after when we leave these bodies as
well and i think that ties into your inner knowing piece like you said you know you grew up catholic
but you always had this thing within you whereby you're like i don't know man like i feel like for
instance the recarnation piece right like maybe that's true. And I know within the Abrahamic faiths,
that's going to be a no-no, right? So now I think what you're saying definitely ties to
not just what I said, but I think just in general in relation to this topic. So,
Sheila, I appreciate you being here, bringing your energy and your time currency. And yeah,
I see Charity and Sister Kim on stage. I'm gonna go to
Charity because I've not seen Charity in so long. Charity, how are you doing today? I hope you've
been doing well since the last time I saw you. And what are your thoughts on the topic? And then we'll
go to Kim. Hey, thank you. Thank you for the mic. It's so good to see you. I haven't seen you
in a while either. but to be fair,
I kind of took a break over the holidays of just being on social media so much, and just to kind
of focus on what's in front of me, which brings me, I mean, that's sort of why I even jumped up
is because of the topic and that in general. It's just that the approach that I've come to just for my own
self is just that and focusing on the self. And I mean, like being clear in I believe in, what I stand for, and my own reality and how that fits in
to the collective reality. But at the end of the day, you know, I feel like our responsibilities
start with us first and being clear and knowing ourselves and also, you know, seeing the world as it is and the way that we approach it.
Because I feel like if we know who we are, we know what we believe in, and we stand in love, I think that that is, I think that's where kind of where we start.
If that wasn't too off topic, I hope that it wasn't.
And if I got it wrong if that wasn't too off topic i hope that it that it wasn't and if i got it wrong that's okay too and now yeah you know as again as part of housekeeping rules
all perspectives are welcome you know what i mean of course i might try and narrow the focus
throughout the space you know depend i don't want it to go super into ideological thinking because
there's other spaces for that.
And we did do a part one whereby we impact a lot.
There's so many different things.
But I think what you mentioned, Charity, definitely ties into this topic.
And I also don't want to micromanage what people share.
I think my intention as a host is to provide that space and facilitate that space whereby people can come up and share whatever they want to share.
And if it doesn't resonate with other people, that's fine. and facilitate that space whereby people can come up and share whatever they want to share.
And, you know, if it doesn't resonate with other people, that's fine.
But I'm pretty sure it might resonate with at least one person.
And what you just shared definitely resonates with me, too.
I think, yeah, you know, accountability and responsibility, right?
It starts off with the one, the person, self.
Then after that, then hopefully it can have a ripple effect practically onto the collective and the micro. Charity, let me ask you a quick reflective question,
and then we'll go to Kim. How have you seen that happen for you as you've been nurturing yourself,
been focusing on yourself? Have you seen that tangibly ripple towards other people,
even just in the micro, even in just relational
dynamics with other people, either online or offline? Yeah, I absolutely have. I've noticed
a big difference in how people, and maybe it's just me, but I notice a difference when I put my
heart center and I lead with that, and I actually show that to people it's very that's
receptive and it does feel like it changes the energy of the situation or you know whatever may
be going on or anyone that I'm like interacting with um and that shift and you know the shift that
I feel so I yes I feel like the shift that I made internally is definitely a ripple into the world because I react with people
completely different now. That's so life-giving to hear. That's super awesome. Thank you, Charity.
I appreciate you answering that reflective question back. Yeah, that's important. Leading with the
heart center. And also, I think in addition to, it's not a but right the balance right of the mind and the heart because we can't completely ignore the mind
but also going back to what i said earlier on in relation to um over dependence and over reliance
right like not being too reliant on the intellect piece right because it can make you fall off track
and you know having the heart being part of the center of what you need
to do and achieve I think can go a long way in shifting things right as it pertains to relational
dynamics and perhaps towards the collective as a whole so thank you Charity I really sincerely am
grateful that you're here supporting the space and I hope to see you soon in other spaces as well and
I'm pretty sure I will. Let's go to Kim.
Kim, how are you doing today?
And what are your thoughts on either what's been discussed so far or just the topic in general?
Thank you, Perez.
As always, I love your spaces and I think they're too infrequent.
And I'm speaking from South Africa and often I cannot catch your spaces because
of our timing. Although I saw so many of you in weekend spaces and hi to everybody, especially
Sheila who does the most beautiful and hilarious spaces. So join her if you haven't joined
her yet. It's been such a beautiful space. But praise, thank you. And I think I was in
your first space on this. And I think it's such an important topic. In fact, I think achieving
global unity, I'm going to stick to the topic as I see it, is an absolute responsibility of all of
us. And never before, I don't think, have we been so divided and is the world in such
an awful stage. Perhaps everybody, every generation has said this. So we think our challenges are
unique, but we really are facing total disunity and also such a lack of humanity. And a challenge
for me, and I'd like to just be vulnerable and speak out about this
and see if there are other people on the panel that can speak about it.
I am a spiritual person, but I'm also a very political person,
as people who do know me know.
And my work is focused on injustices in South Africa and around the world,
particularly in Palestine and Sudan and terrible, terrible places,
now not to get involved in politics.
I do wonder how we can be spiritually high and pure and good
and how we can do that and nurture our spiritual side while at the same time
giving that goodness and humanity outside of us. So for me, sometimes I find the spiritual spaces
very focused on oneself, and that's very necessary. One of my things I have failed to do is to put a lot of attention on my own spiritual development.
But I can't find it. I battle to separate that.
I think if we are developing our essence and who we are and the best of who we can be, it has to then manifest into the world.
We have to pass it on as a gift of love rather than a gift of hate and division.
So I often find it difficult.
You know, when I'm in spiritual spaces, I feel, am I being too indulgent?
You know, how do I build up myself, but at the same time to give and make sure that the
injustices of the world are, you know, are changed?
And I think it's very important, just going off the, this is my last point, going off the political side, is that what I find is, you know, I sound very judgmental, like casting judgment around the world.
But I think I've said this in some spaces that we're living in such a fake world, I believe, you know, and we see that things have become expedient.
You know, I'm a lover of books.
I'm a writer, so I love books.
I think that you can find a beauty and significance in books that you can't find in many other places.
But the worth of books has become less.
You know, I look at children, perhaps I'm much older than a lot of you,
and I see them glued to their phones, not enjoying the beauty of nature and into actions.
And are we losing our humanity?
How do we guard against that?
And how do we collectively form a different type of humanity?
That one that is based on absolute respect for each other, that there's no, we have such superiority problems at the moment, you know,
one group saying they're superior to others. And that's crazy. I mean, how do we as beautiful,
intelligent people accept what is happening? You know, how are we able to change the patterns of
the world? And how do we do it inside ourselves that can benefit the world itself because that
has to be interrelated we can't be better people just for ourselves i'm sorry if i'm any very
inarticulate i seem to have gone around in circles but i hope people get the essence of what i'm
saying and praise you really i must say you and i say this all the time i think you my
my favorite of all i i respect you so much and I've learned so
much from you. Thank you very much. Wow, that's huge. That last piece you just said, learning
much from me. I mean, Kim, you're boots to ground with everything. When we're talking about
applying practical and action steps steps you've been doing it
for a long long time and you know my reflective question to you kim as it pertains to i'll just
even limit it to essay south africa all right you know in my opening statements i talked about
the people to the people and what you're saying you know it does tie into that like you know the
hierarchical aspect of things we talked about ethno-social-cultural specifics.
Sheila, Reg, and Dante went into some of their stories as well
in relation to that and, like, the hierarchical aspects of things.
Are there, like, community initiatives or things that other people are doing
in South Africa that are bridging the gap to some extent from what you see?
Yeah, I think it's more political. I think we don't have like spiritual conscious movements. And we are the most unequal society in the world where
black people under apartheid are still battling. And it's very unfortunate. But, you know, we're not moving
forward. That's a tragedy. And when I look at the US, you know, we see a tragedy unfolding,
we see across the world. And I think it takes more than political movement, there has to be
a movement. And it has to be underpinned by spirituality, perhaps rather than religion,
in my view, that can be all-encompassing.
We don't really have that.
We've had failed movements to have a truth and reconciliation movement
in South Africa, and it's failed.
I think as people we don't like uncomfortable questions.
We don't like to look upon things that may have been our creation, and yet we don't want to look upon them.
And I always feel we need to be very honest. We need to say, even if there are terrible things
before us, let us face those and come up with hard solutions rather than talk. And we haven't
had that, which makes us really not the democracy that Nelson Mandela
wished for. Thank you, Kim. I appreciate that. So Kim posed a question to the space and the panel
and the listeners, you guys feel free to interact with us as well. Use the purple pill down there
if you'd like. She had asked, how can we nurture our spiritual side while also simultaneously
giving goodness to humanity? So if there's anyone on the panel who would want to answer that question,
feel free to do so. And then I see Aura on stage. I want to say hi to her. I know she doesn't have
her hand up. I know Spiritual is here as well, but he's kind of listening. I know he has some
things going on in the background. And Reg, I see you as well. I know you got your hand.
But if there's anyone on the panel
who might have an answer to that question,
feel free to answer.
Just give me like 10 minutes
and I'll speak my piece, bro.
I got you, bro.
Good to see you, man.
All right, I saw you open mic. Go ahead. you, man. All right. So you open mic.
Go ahead.
How are you doing today?
What are your thoughts?
And did you want to answer that question?
Well, it's good to be here.
This has been great so far.
I was going to ask you, do you mind repeating the question?
Yes.
So to everyone in the space, how can we nurture our spiritual side while giving goodness to humanity?
Okay. can we nurture our spiritual side while giving goodness to humanity? Okay, I mean, I'll take a stab at it. You know, I was talking with my son this morning,
and he's on a retreat. And he said that this morning, the topic they were talking about was the willingness to be a seed sower and not a plant planter.
And so when I hear a big topic like this, like global unity, I think to myself, well, what's my little part that I can do?
Because the temptation is to want to plant a full plant.
And by the way, with a credit card, I can go down to any nursery and buy the plant already grown
and put it in the dirt but when I'm willing to plant a little seed
then I think that's where the magic happens because unity to me is the restoration of dignity
and it is an act of faith because I think it requires radical acceptance and
our ability to meet others where they're at.
And to do that, we can't rush people.
We need to also understand our own humanness, and I think that goes to what Charity was
talking about, and also Kim, that when I understand my own tenderness my own humanness
when I remove the masks and I'm not compensating because I don't feel like I'm enough
and I've compensated using work using humor being a caregiver like all these things of like, please like me because I feel not enough and I'll go out
and do all of these things. And so I think for me, when I go inward and I do the spiritual work,
for me, it's with a mystical force or a higher power. I'm very comfortable today using the word God. I was not always that way.
But when I do that work, I restore a dignity to myself, and then I know how to pass that dignity forward to others.
And so when you opened up by saying we are walking with each other and remembering as we walk forward,
I can take your hand and I can walk with you or I can just walk alongside you because I know how to restore that dignity to myself. And that does require a lot of patience
and faith. And that is found often in the invisible world first, because otherwise the
way I used to show up is I just barreled over myself, barreled through the world, barreled over all of
everybody else's words and thoughts. I couldn't sit still and listen. I mean, how can we have unity
if I don't take the time to first understand you? And I do believe that when we allow the love to
flow through us and through a clear enough vessel of ourselves,
because we've done the work, the personal work for ourselves, that love comes out of us towards
others in a very authentic and pure way that is so yummy and so tapped into the blueprint that I think is inside of us at birth, that it is addictively attractive.
And we know it when we hear it, and then we want more of it. And so I think we can give that gift
to others when we do the spiritual work. But I do think it's about restoring dignity first to ourselves and unity within ourselves because
unity within myself is integrity unity for me to you is commitment i can make a commitment to you
to ride through the tough parts to sit and listen to not judge to sit alongside you and allow space for both your thoughts and my thoughts.
I can love you even if a whole bunch of stuff is not the way I like things or things might be
triggering to me. I can do all that. That's my commitment to you. That's the unity that I can
give outwardly when I've made the commitment first to myself to integrate myself., that's the unity that I can give outwardly, when I've made the commitment first
myself to integrate myself. So that's my thought on that. I'm going to sit back and listen.
But it's a great space so far. Thank you, Aura. I really do appreciate that. Yeah. And I think
what you were saying ties to what Charity was saying as well, like you hinted at being a seed
sorer, but not being a plant planter
right so that means that would be the micro and the micro is not just even like what we can do
on a small scale but the micro is inclusive of self then the macro after right and what
oh man you you raised up some interesting points the restoration of dignity and acceptance of faith
right and radical acceptance radical acceptance is something that's actually explored
within psychological modalities, right?
Particularly in DBT, right?
Acceptance of what is, as is, as Sheila likes saying, right?
But then acceptance can also be a form of action in itself, right?
Because sometimes when people hear the word radical acceptance,
just if they take it off face value, they might be like, oh man, is this just being passive?
No, it's not being passive. It's also acknowledging that there are things,
especially as it pertains to the past, that are not within our locus of control,
but what can we do in the present so that we can usher, kind of like what I had said
early on in my opening statements, those life-giving paradigm shifts moving forward, right? And, you know, unity within self is integrity, but my unity to you
is commitment. Yeah, I dig that. I like that. That really resonates with me because if,
you know, in my body there, I have pro-humanity and this, that, and the third,
I can't be all pro-humanity and be like, oh, yeah, I want goodness, I want this, that, and the third, and then not be committed to it as it pertains to other people, right?
While also exercising the unity that's needed within self in order to conduct myself with integrity as it impacts both the micro and the macro.
So now I really do appreciate that.
I want to go to Kim to hear her thoughts
because she's the one that posed the question.
Kim, what do you think about what Ora said?
Does that resonate? Is there anything you want to add to that?
And then we'll go to the rest of the hands.
Thank you for the opportunity to comment on that.
Yeah, I think what Ora said was beautiful and very beautifully
and poetically articulated as listening in admiration at her delivery and calmness compared to my breathing
and talking. So there's a lesson just in how she speaks and it's a very beautiful thing.
Yeah, I think it makes sense. I wanted to just say that, I think let me end it there.
Let me listen for a bit and I may come back later.
Thanks, Pris.
And you're welcome to drop me if you need other spaces.
I'm happy to listen.
Actually, I'm mostly happy to listen rather than talk.
Oh, no, Kim, I selfishly want you up here.
So feel free to stay up here and interact with us. I really am grateful that you're here and you're part of the panel. And of course, I know you're going to be listening in as well. But I definitely want to be able to tap in to your insights because you posed that question to the panel. So I really do appreciate you asking that. Let's go to Sheila. And then let's tap in with Reg because he hasn't spoken yet. And then we'll go back to spiritual.
And then I see Charity's hand as well.
Sheila, hit it.
Oh, my.
You guys are adding so much invaluable information.
And I was wanting to make sure I was on the right path.
So what you were saying about how you're approaching it with a query of how are we to achieve global unity?
Sherry mentioned operating from the heart,
which I ascribe to.
Kim also, I ascribe to it.
She's saying serving for the betterment of humanity.
And she's trying to say,
can't just be one, you know,
that path of spirituality,
but it can also just be the path of,
you know, the political realm, that view.
And then Aura and all of her poetic feet about, I love all of it, but what I'm seeing and
I'm hearing because I can immerse myself with just
the political side because that's how I actually started with all this space thing. And it was
overwhelming. And I realized I just came to the conclusion, like it was distraction. So,
and I knew that it had to be me. There was something about me that I was not or didn't have a grasp, right?
And so I was trying to bring the inside of me out.
And of course, I think that however I see the world, that is a reflection of my world inside, right?
So then I was talking about dualism and the disparity and all this stuff.
And I'm thinking, is it all our mind?
Is it just a shift in the way we think?
Perhaps that can also be, you know,
achieve this global unity
if we have a mind shift of change of mind
or seeing, there's a great quote,
change the way you see things and you see the change.
I'll look for it.
I think I have it.
But anyway, I'm thinking maybe perhaps that's what it is.
It's just change on our mindset.
Thank you, Sheila.
I hear, is it a puppy?
Is it a dog in the background?
Yeah, I'm so sorry. No, no, good no you're good she's my little napoleon she's a shih tzu and i swear she bosses
me around she's like seven pounds and well what's her name if you don't mind me asking sasha
sasha well sasha welcome to the space we are talking about global unity. You are more than welcome to bother mama if you'd like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I completely approve of that.
So thank you, Sheila.
Yeah, I think ultimately what you were saying there towards the end of that share.
Yeah, changing our mindset.
And feel free to give us that quote as well.
Before we go to the rest of the hands, I just want to acknowledge the other listeners that are here.
Jack, I see you, bro.
I'm going to definitely put you up here.
Mela B is here. to acknowledge the other listeners that are here jack i see you bro i'm gonna definitely put you up here melo b's here melo feel free to come up and bless us with a song later on if you would like aj i see you bro good to see you barbara i see one down there nate tim dr michael fabs rena farm boy
and everyone on the panel and everyone in the space man feel free to use the purple pill down
there not just for reflections.
If you got anything coming up, if you got links, you want people to tap in, feel free to do so, man.
You know, we can't be all unity and we can't and then we don't exercise it practically, even in this space as well.
So feel free to share down there.
One hosts great spaces in relation to music with the wonderful Sheila and they have a community going on.
As Kim had said, you know,
they'd be hosting some fun, fun spaces down there.
And of course, go tap into AJ's book,
The Seven Secrets of Greatness.
A lot of wisdom.
And Sheila, it ties into what you were saying,
the distractions piece.
And AJ also talks about that.
You know, it's very, very easy to get distracted.
And you know how you were saying,
like perhaps when we reflect on our
internal states, maybe it's a representation of how we view and reflect upon the outer world,
right? So maybe if we shift our mindsets, maybe it can help shift things either in the micro and
the macro as well. So I appreciate that. Let's tap in with Reg, and then I want to go to spiritual,
and then we'll circle back to charity, and then we'll go to Jack. Okay, Reg, welcome to the space. And what are your thoughts on what
you heard so far or just the topic in general? Yeah, absolutely. And I want to give some gems
and because these are the spaces that I really show out and I give the best me, no jokes,
because this is what I told you, brother, that you're the pillar, you know what I'm saying?
And I'm going to stand behind you because we're needing, because there's some misinformation on the lands.
And I'm telling folks that the language over here is changing.
Pause.
What I'm getting at is how do we create global unity?
Well, look at the lands like a puzzle.
When we were all together, maybe we broke away where we created this pangia when
everything's now now stay with me so if i'm looking at putting the pieces of the puzzle back together
understand that the brothers over here in america move different the brothers over there move
different and brothers mean anybody the sisters that means all of us humanity you have europe
humanity you have a south africa humanity you us humanity you have europe humanity you have a
south african humanity you have a north american who have you have a so forth and so canada and
the malaysian islands and so forth and so on now how do you put the pieces together what is the
puzzle america if we all over here understanding that we all have people in our bloodlines that may have migrated, whether forcefully refuge or royalty or monarch.
However you got over here, we're saying that this is a pot to put the pieces together.
Because what I told people about the South African construct, we stood up for Mandela.
We stood up because we understood revolutionary. We get all
that. So when we were saying that, hey, we over here saying, let that leave South Africa alone
in the 80s and all that, we understood. But here's the hijack. We re-educated ourselves.
We don't have to fight no more. They want to continue to fight with guns. I tell people all the time, Central Africa, North Africa and South Africa is different. Central America, North America, South America's different. Stay with me. Within the geographics, we have to understand
South Central LA guys, different from East Coast guys, use hemisphere to understand people on the
globe. So when we understand, like I live in LA where I'm by multi, multi cultures of people,
in LA where I'm by multi, multi cultures of people. And I know how to communicate when in Europe,
you do in Europe. If you tell me that you take my shoes off in your restaurant, I take my shoes off.
I eat at India restaurant, Ethiopia. I go to little Haiti. It's places in LA where I can go
get a sense of how people live. And it's okay, because what I learned,
I see women in hijabs, playing basketball at Venice Beach.
I see women running and jogging.
I see women that couldn't do what probably they could do in their undercountries.
And I'm under 15 seconds, brother, because this is important, man.
I'm a pillar of race, of fighting for race and that stuff. And I tell
people, the key to fighting is get away from color. You guys put together beautiful spaces,
man. This is why people get in here and don't have to look in the mirror. You know who you are.
So that's why I don't never judge who's speaking. I just deal with what comes up out your mouth,
brother. So kudos to these spaces, man. And I thank you, Pres. You, Sheila and Juan, when you guys put together age as well. And I land 10 seconds under 10 because I want people to know, yes, I go to political spaces.riarch, you guys were to be the pillars to get these men to chill out because we two dictatorships.
This is what destroys country. Dictators. I land with that, Perez.
And I'm going to get I got to get back to work. But I just want to stay and listen to everyone before I drop because I don't like.
and listen to everyone before I drop because I don't like to do it like that.
Reg, let me just ask you a quick reflective question and then we'll go to spiritual
charity. And Richard, I see you. So do you think then with America being the quote unquote
melting pot of so many ethno-cultural social histories?
Not the melting. A good pot. Go ahead.
Okay. A good pot. Fine. We can reframe it to that. But it's inclusive of so
many ethno-social culture histories, which what you were alluding to, right? So do you think that
in itself could be the driving force in pushing towards global unity with respects to those
acknowledged differences? Yes, brother, that's what I'm saying. That's why I say it's not a
melting where people call it because their lives are not in order. Nothing's a melt. My life is a melting pot. How about that? Reggie's little world can be a melting
pot. But what I tell people about the melt, listen to that word
melt. If you understand the melt, that's real something strong
man because it's a belt to metal. Metaphorically we're coming
together. So when over here the land of milk and honey. Now
when we understand astrology and start, not over here, the land of milk and honey. Now, when we understand
astrology and start, not the segue, I'm just going to bring it back because the land of milk and
honey, agriculture, and everybody's possessed this. But what I tell people, what is the landing
spot to put it together? North America. And we can bring these lands together, bro. Because
I'll land with this. We the ones told people to lay off South Africa.
I don't know.
They would have come Winnie Mandela.
When we over here stood up and all the races stood up,
we said we are the world.
And that's when they let so forth and got that democracy going.
But, of course, Perez, we still got work to do
because the brothers and sisters down there still think that it's about color.
And we got to break that. It's just that's what I'm getting. Got to break that.
Yeah, thank you, Reg. And I don't think it's just there, too. I think it's even just here in America. Right.
And I think I hinted this in my previous space. We talked about FBA, we talked about Ados, we talked about pan-Africanism
What does that really look like? And that's just limiting
It, not just to colour, but
Specifically, yes
And so when you think about those things
To your point, like you look into the
60s, it was lineage-based
Black Americans who were fighting for the
Liberation of all these
Different
Things that were happening around the world So yeah, I definitely see what you're saying for the liberation of all these different things
that were happening around the world.
So yeah, I definitely see what you're saying.
I appreciate your contribution, Reg.
Thank you, brother.
Yep.
And I'll drop down and say,
and Chris, I want you to continue to do this, brother,
because I don't want to hog,
because I really want people to know
that I'm working with a lot of good people.
Just hang with me and continue to do what you do, man.
This message is going to get out because it's going to help people on their lands.
I'll drop that down, brother.
You guys have a blessing.
Appreciate you, Reg.
Much appreciated, bro.
Spiritual, welcome, man.
Welcome to the space.
Good to have you back on this platform.
You've been missed.
What are your thoughts on the topic so far and how are you doing today?
Hello, is it me you're looking for?
I just sing for the ladies, you know what I'm saying?
I ain't been back in a while, so let me kind of start backwards and come up to that.
Is it cool if I do a reverse on it?
yeah okay so so um i'm start off with you know you specifically and some other people in this space
Yeah.
Go with that?
Yeah.
had helped me find love for myself i'll start off with with that part of it and with that love for
myself was for me helping humanity whatever i could man you know I got money I'm going to the grocery
store buying six people groceries crying that that made me feel good with ladies that's crying
offering me money and I just tell them just pay it forward in some form or fashion that's because
that's what we're supposed to do we're supposed to uplift people and help people in whatever form or fashion of life.
And y'all know I'm all about the global unity.
I mean, I'm heart-centered.
If anything, I'm a down myself.
But the heart-centeredness, the global unity, I love, man.
But going to, what was it, the food banks helping the homeless i was doing that like i
was doing stuff around the community where i was holding it down
now let's say what two three years later i'm gonna say and this is still doing good
i don't think we will ever achieve global unity, man.
Is he still speaking?
He cut off me.
Can y'all hear him?
No, he's...
No, I don't hear him anymore.
Spiritual, you're in the matrix, bro.
You might have to recycle recycle and come back brother in the meantime let's go to um let's go to charity and then richard charity go ahead
okay um well first of all i just want to say you guys i'm not that articulate so i may be scattered
but but i i just want to say so i what i've done with myself, right, is I've did this, I've started doing this thing since the end of last year that I call radical self-care.
Where I make sure that I treat myself with the same love and compassion that I would complete, you know, that I would give to someone else.
And by doing that, like making sure that it's just made a difference for me and and in my
world making sure that I have time I mean we're all squeezed every single day right for time for
money for energy and by making sure that I take care of of of my needs and giving myself that
same love and compassion I think that's why I'm able to pass it out now and to be that person.
So, and that's all I wanted to say. And I was just following up on what Aura had said earlier. So
that was it. I love you, Miss Charity. I love you, Rubes.
Thank you, Charity. I appreciate that. You know, Charity, that makes me think about the
golden rule, right? Not inverted, but like almost like a reverse appreciate that. You know, Charity, that makes me think about the golden rule, right?
Not inverted, but like almost like a reverse of that, like do on to others like how you'd want to be treated.
But then if you're treating yourself the way you need to do, then you'll be able to do on to others the way you need to treat yourself. So now I appreciate that. And also, by the way, I want to reframe something for you.
You articulate yourself accordingly. And I think everybody gets your message and we're here for it. So we're not here to compare each
other. You know, kind of like I said, we're walking each other home and we're all here to
listen and learn. And yeah, we're all operating with different data sets. Right. And that's why
I want multiple perspectives so that we can learn and see how we can move forward accordingly.
Okay, let's go to spiritual. Yeah, let's go back to you and then we'll go to Richard.
Oh man, I don't even know what happened. Apparently, dude, it's been happening all day,
man. Some shit with my phone. This is what I talk about. It's not meant for me to have social
media. I'm coming to realize that because every social media account I get, it gets messed with
in some form of fashion.
I love myself so
much right now and I
do pay it for it. I think that's what we're supposed to do
Ms. Charity. Ms. Charity, you were the shit.
Ms. Sheila, you were the shit. AJ down there.
AJ, everybody in this space is
the shit. But in order for
us to get global unity,
dude,
it's going to be hard, man. It's going to be like on a massive But in order for us to get global unity, dude
It's gonna be hard man. It's gonna be like on a massive
kumbaya It ain't never gonna happen. I'm I would love for it to happen. But like I said
I'm gonna wrap it up source once you see everything in different perceptions, man. I
Had to go through the darkness of dark
Y'all heard me say this
plenty of times to be the person I am today and y'all know I was all about the
global unity a couple months a year or two ago but I'm not gonna bring up my
surprise you know myself when you got close family members that's literally
harming you in your lane of life it kind of makes you see things a little bit
different and I'm not like I feel like y'all are more in my family than my real family.
And that's sad, man.
That, you know, I meet friends online.
But the people that's in my everyday life are like, they love me.
I love them.
You know, we're down to help each other no matter what.
But it's like the judgment on this and that.
And I don't I don't want to say I don't I for me don't understand it.
How can you have love for somebody with restrictions that I don't understand?
So that's where I'm at, man. I loved everybody share, man. Everybody in here is a boss.
I'm glad to be back on here. I don't know how long I had this account. So, yeah, it is what it is, man.
the concept of good and bad, right? Like perhaps even through the bad or what we perceive to be
the bad as a way of source experiencing itself. You know, I don't know if I, you know, you and
I have had conversations about that for me. I don't know if I necessarily subscribe to that.
I do see the angle of approaching that. But for me, if I'm to believe that there is a benevolent
source and not these lowercase gods, like the Anunnaki's of this world and this and a third, then I think the pathway towards purity would have to do with benevolence.
And benevolence that is in such a high state that we can't even perceive from a frequency or energetic or even a vibrational standpoint because we're so anchored in in this 3D matrix.
standpoint, because we're so anchored in, in this 3D matrix. Now we can have fractals or aspects of
it. And even the quote unquote bad, if we want to call it that. But I think, yeah, I think when you
have that type of a lens, going back to what I'd said earlier on theory of mind, you're not only
able to see different perceptions, but then you're also able to meet people where they're at.
And I mentioned humility. And I think humility is such a huge grounding point even if we say love or authenticity or whatever you want to say is the
highest form of frequency for me i don't think you can reach that point without being grounded
in humility you know what i'm saying so spiritually have a quick response before we go to richard
yeah well yeah if that's cool um if you believe sources in it and everything you you're right
you're totally right but who is to say the creator of everything has a good and bad maybe it just is
maybe there ain't no good and bad prayers maybe everything is just it is what it is
it's just for the experience to experience nothing more nothing less and if it's that alone
It's kind of fucked up, but then people say well at least we're here to enjoy the sun coming up in the birds singing
The trees, you know what I mean? Like the simple things I think
But then to get to that state of high frequency and feel that energy running through our body and be able to do heal ourself,
you know, levitate the gaze of, you know, your wife or husbands, you know what I mean? Like
the feel that touch. That's what, in my opinion, my view, everything is about. And thanks for
letting me speak, man. Now, of course, bro. I'm glad that you're here.
And I liked what you said.
Maybe it is what it is and the experience to experience.
And I think that's a balanced way of looking at things, right?
You know, in my infographic that I posted early on, I talked about being able to reserve impending judgment and being in those states of observation, right?
impending judgment and being in those states of observation, right? And yeah, I think when you're
able to do that and you're intentional with that process, even the things that we deem to be
maladaptive, right? Things that we are not aligned with, right? I think we're able to hold space for
it. Not agreement, not acceptance of agreeing with those actions, but acceptance of, okay, fine, this
is actually going on,
but how can we move forward by the intentional actions that we choose to exhibit, right? And
for me, I'm all about intentionality when it comes to everything and anything. So.
It only means something to us at the time because we're going through it. It don't matter
nothing to anyone else. So why can't we just let it be what it is?
We would appreciate life a little bit more. Yeah, that ties to the concept of radical acceptance.
So appreciate that spiritual. I just want to quickly shout out to the Drop the Mic crew,
man. I see y'all down there. Cara, Jules, feel free to post your space down there for other
people who love music spaces. We got Sheila and Juan, but Cara and Jules also feel free to post your space down there, you know, for other people who love music spaces.
You know, we got Sheila and Juan, but Karen Jules also hosts lovely music and poetry spaces as well.
So definitely tap in. Feel free to post your links down there.
I see everybody down there.
Azrael, Known is in the building, Aaron, Nate, Pure, Tim, again, Dr. Michael.
We got Apostle Nate, Fabs, Ryan, Dina, Mark, Rina, and Cass.
And the reason why I say people's names when in this space is because I hosted my second ever space with a homie spiritual on exploring the psychology behind the power of names.
And I think there is a power when you call out to people's names.
And I don't know, some people, it's a pet peeve.
Like, why do hosts do this?
But I want people to feel recognized, you know what I mean?
When y'all pull up, man, like, it really, really is, um, I know I'm not entitled to
none of y'all, you know what I'm saying?
So I really do appreciate y'all being in the building, but again, feel free to use this
space to promote yourself.
We're here for it.
You know what I'm saying?
With that being said, let's go to Richard.
You've been waiting patiently.
How are you doing today?
And what are your thoughts on the topic?
And then we'll go to Kim.
Oh, hi, everybody.
Well, I had to go to town, get some water because water's frozen.
And I've been waiting on prescriptions for almost a week.
And, you know, this blizzard kind of tied everybody in knots they can't even think straight
but uh i before that prior to that i noticed that there was there's some interesting things going on
online and in reality that we don't see that are behind the stages these are the competing
power grid structures of corporations that are competing for our attention and our interests.
And here is where a big problem lies.
There's a few of them that are competing against one another
and they got little agents here on this platform
trying to direct the power structure towards some of us so that we all should be on
the lookout beware who we're dealing with and what they're saying and what we're doing with them
and pay close attention all things don't forget the little details sometimes they're the biggest
daggone thing that'll bring you down. Now, advertising, Salesforce Incorporated,
has been competing with the insurance companies
for our attention here lately,
and they have grabbed a hold of the WeChat.
That's where you call into your doctor and you talk to them
and they give you all your daggone medical records,
everything about you, your dna you're sold you're the product now uh you can break that
um do not connect to the we chat we chart app it is a salesforce salesforce um WeChart app. It is Salesforce. Salesforce.
Aspect that they are using.
To get our souls.
And sell us as products.
To all the little advertisers.
That want to sell.
And get you to come spend your money with them.
Go on, now.
Oh, now they want to sell our souls, too, of all things.
It was just products and garbage and bullshit before.
Now they want to sell us.
So, everybody, be aware.
Don't turn yourself into the product.
They're all out there competing for you so it's you know little things in life
that kind of make a big difference your freedom's the biggest one being able to choice choose make
choices choices of your own free will don't let them manipulate you into thinking this or that
don't let them manipulate you into thinking this or that believe me brothers and sisters
they're all out there big monies they're out there competing for all of us right now and
they're wanting to get our attention first and then they got you and they're selling you so
your product your dna everything about you your medical records and all of a sudden your little
advice in your hand
gets flooded with advertisements from all the local companies
that couldn't reach you before because they didn't have access.
Now they do.
They got a back door.
Hallelujah, brothers and sisters.
They got us where we wasn't looking.
Pay attention.
Don't let them get you
Please
I love you
I'd like to see you all hang around for a while
Don't want you to get stressed out too bad
And having heart attacks everywhere like crazy
And then your immune system gets down
And you catch cold
And there goes a few more of you
Please
Stay healthy Eat as healthy as you can
pay attention but don't let them get you distracted too bad because they're out there
digitally trying right now every minute every day and hey they're using this platform here
as a way and a means to get to you. Besides everything else that you have a hold of or trying to get a hold of.
Keep your wits about you.
Everybody take care.
I'll try to stay sane myself.
It's a try and a darnedit to drive me out of my mind.
I know.
As long as I got my nature, I can look out the window
and pay attention to that for a little bit.
It drowns me.
It keeps me thinking,
hey, wait a minute.
Why in the world would that person want to do that
when I know this person over here
wanting to do this?
Keep awake. Keep alert.
Don't drop your guard take care everybody
thank you richard keep away keep alert don't drop your guard yeah i think that's a great call
to action to not just people in the space but to humanity in general bro i'm not gonna lie man like
um i really and you know i mentioned this
about you too man you have such a way of weaving like quirky humor even when it comes to like
serious conversations even in relation to self and i think that's very masterful so i appreciate
you being here man i hope um the medications and the water stuff get sorted and you're taking care
of not just your health but your overall energy time and emotional currency and you know what you were saying richard to there's a old
documentary um oh not old but i want to say maybe in the 2010s uh on the 13th amendment right and
it's on netflix you guys can check it out and i think it ties to what you were saying you know
like in relation to uh the influence of corporations and even just like with lawmaking policies.
Right. So now if we're tying it back to social media systems and stuff like that and what you had hinted at, the power grid structures as well.
Yeah, I think it is important, like the way we move, we have to have active discernment.
Right. Paying attention to the small details while we're
simultaneously taking care of ourselves. And so Charity hinted at that, Aura hinted at that. I
think Sheila as well hinted at that. Even Kim hinted at that, right? The importance of the
self-spirituality while we're also trying to be an intentional acts of servitude towards others.
And I'm glad that you can have the nature around you and that can help ground you.
And going back to what I had mentioned in relation to humility, I think grounding and staying grounded can also help promote that frequency of humility as well. But yeah, Richard, you got a
quick response before we go to Kim? Yeah, yeah, you're right. And, you know, I care about all of
you. I mean, some of you are just out for money and greed, but you can change your voice.
You can all honestly do it at your heart to yourselves and to the Lord and look out for everybody else and not the big money companies.
companies. Thanks a lot, Perez. I really appreciate all of you. I do.
Thanks a lot, Perez.
I really appreciate all of you.
I do.
Appreciate you too, Richard. And yeah, you know, as part of my opening statements, you know,
I said that I want us to be able to focus, right, on like the people to the people, right? Like,
again, these systems are there. We can't bypass this matrix and everything around us and
you know sheila said you know being able to shift our mindsets actually i want to read that quote
that sheila posted change how you see and see how you change right so like we we can acknowledge and
hold space for that but what is it that we can do as part of greater humanity which can be inclusive
of these systems because who are part of these systems? People as well, right? And we can say systems are negligent, negative, malevolent, all these
buzzwords that we want to use, but that doesn't necessarily mean the people in those or everyone
in those systems are operating on that type of time. Perhaps maybe they're trying to fix things
from within and we're just not able to see this. Sheila has talked about convergent versus divergent thinking before when it comes to institutions and educations. I've said this for myself. You guys know I'm in school currently. I'm finishing up actually soon. And when I'm talking to my peers, I'm not operating with convergent thinking. And I've said this before, like I think even being in spaces such as this, that contributes to my education, my life education, so that I can hopefully,
not on some savior complex or anything, but be able to bridge that gap as part of learning,
relearning and unlearning, right? So what is it that we can do as part of being intentional,
but as people to the people without being over reliant on these systems or corporations or whatever it is right now being dependent on that.
So, Richard, I appreciate you being here.
Let's go to spiritual.
Yeah, let's go to spiritual.
It was on Miss Kim first.
Oh, yeah, it was.
Oh, yeah.
Her hand.
OK, I didn't see her hand.
Her hand went down.
Kim and then back to your spiritual.
Thank you. Thank you, spiritual.
I appreciate your generosity, and I enjoyed your input and everybody else's.
And I think what Richard said is very profound because we are all, I was speaking about this society with everything is easy.
It's disposable, and we are commoditized. And that's very worrying, because it affects our
very essence. And that's at the root of growth or lack of growth. But I wanted to just sway
the conversation to an entirely different dimension, Prez, if I may. And that is,
when we speak about global unity, sometimes we want global unity, but what does that mean?
Does that mean that we are giving greater weight to one type of people, one type of value system
than another? And that's what concerns me a lot. I'm speaking from the continent of Africa,
which has had less of a voice in global affairs than it should have. In fact, it's been horribly suppressed.
But when we look, even in history, but when we look at history, and if we look at it through
honest lens, we know the great contribution that Africa has made. And its future is very bright,
and yet it doesn't shape the world. We are very much dictated by United States norms and
Western norms. And I think that's very unfortunate because within Africa, we have wisdoms that I don't think are fully appreciated.
So when we look at unity, it doesn't mean suppressing or the overriding of one particular value system or culture of another.
And that's what's happened.
You know, when I was still at university 100 years ago,
I stayed, I went to a very far flung rural area and I was looking at, well, my topic was not really relevant to this panel. But I stayed within Inyango, which is a traditional healer.
And he did work that the Western doctors in the nearby hospital couldn't do on the very serious condition of tuberculosis.
And what we see now in the health field in South Africa is that the traditional African methods are being incorporated into health care.
And that's a beautiful thing. And I think we often we are born into a particular way of thinking and we negate societies of others.
into a particular way of thinking and we negate societies of others.
Listening to some of the spaces that I have, I've learned so much about the Native Americans,
a society I haven't known enough about.
And the beauty of some of the ways of being and doing is just so profound that I really wish,
I feel almost deprived not knowing that.
So if unity means that one type of culture takes over, that to me is not unity.
That's, what is it? It's almost suppression. It's almost like the lowest form. You know,
if we have to add this society and that society and this culture, we get a beautiful answer, but if it's subtraction, then we are in a very poor state.
And, you know, I also think, and maybe I'm raising a controversial issue, but with the United States, we're had the same in South Africa where definitely immigrants are being
really pressurized and scapegoated. And you know, why I'm raising this is that we have the assumption
that some people are better than others. And I've just seen a post which, you know, we,
there've been terribly fake rumors of a white genocide in South Africa. It's absolute nonsense.
terribly fake rumors of a white genocide in South Africa. It's absolute nonsense.
But Donald Trump decided he would take in white immigrants, refugees, not that there is such a
thing from South Africa. Why I'm mentioning this is that there's just been a post that one of the
so-called refugees has just been convicted or accused of attacking, violently attacking somebody. So we make the assumption
that a white immigrant is a reasonable person because Donald Trump said, I want white South
Africans because they'll assimilate with the culture. Not thinking that white equates with
criminal, but in this case it has. And I raise this example because the association with blackness has often been these are criminals coming to our country, where that is absolutely not the truth.
And I think this false assumption we make about others is expressed in this tweet.
Here we have, you know, a lot of the people, I must say, that have gone, the white so-called refugees that have gone from South Africa, actually even lied about their status.
They lied about being farmers.
And they've gone now.
And yet they are still seen as the elite of society, Donald Trump's chosen people.
And it's very unfortunate.
So let us be very careful about making judgments about people.
Let us be sensitive
to issues, especially in a time when there's, I mean, we cannot speak about global unity
if we don't deal with the immigrant process. You know, in a really just world, there should be no
borders anywhere. We should be one people. And this whole border thing was never of God's making. It was made of people who were trying to benefit on the back of humanity.
And, you know, perhaps as part of our spiritual development, we need to start thinking for ourselves, you know, to follow upon Richard's point, rather than being told what to think, that this is a lesser nation and this is a better nation.
I think we all have so many lessons
to learn from each other's cultures. And I have seen, you know, I've worked amongst very poor
African communities in South Africa, and I have learned the most beautiful lessons about humanity,
most beautiful lessons that people would never imagine is possible, that a poor person can reach out and
give you their last piece of fruit. Where do you see that in a Western nation? Let us not put these
people second and the cultures and way of being. The beauty of the world is to make sure that
all of these things are integrated. And, you know, we have to raise these questions, and the immigrant question does have to be, I mean, how can any human be illegal on God's earth?
You know, that's my view.
That's how we need to start thinking as far as I'm concerned.
Thank you, Prez.
Prez, Ms. Kim, I have to say that's how we do global unity right there though and if we can actually heal our own
bones that's how they start the global unity to teach us that we can heal ourselves to have trees
on the side of the road with fruit on them i'm sorry press i just had to come back with that
nah yeah thank you thank you both spiritual and know, I'm going to attempt to answer the question because I think it is important, right, what you just said, Kim. What does global unity really look like, right? And sosocial-cultural historical differences, right?
And, you know, what you were saying about, like, suppression,
suppression of value systems and culture,
and even tying it back to allopathia, allopathic methods or big pharma,
yeah, I think that just heightens things, right?
It creates, if not separation, if we're going to say separation is an illusion,
then definitely
division, right? And so I think for me, it is important to recognize first that we're humans
first. We are the global citizens of the earth. It's not love and light bullshit. It's not being
tacky, but we have to have a starting point if we are trying to be on that pathway towards purity.
And it goes back to my words of intentionality. How are you going to be intentional towards others if you're not
intentional towards self and your own personal value systems? We can talk about ethics. Ethics
is about the collective. Morals are about the individual, right? Shout out to Barbara down
there. We did a couple of ethics spaces, right? And so I think for me, it's about, I just want to see peace.
You know what I'm saying? I can pose a devil's advocate question, not to the space, but I'm just
speaking in hypotheticals here and it's rhetorical, right? Like some people in relation to living in
that fear-based paradigm, whether it's in relation to immigrants or whatever, they could say we need
borders because we have criminals. so how do we navigate that
while also accepting that there is value in the differences that we have as it pertains to
cultures but to your point kim if we focus too much on that we're going to be missing a lot of
things and now it goes into things such as individualistic cultures versus collectivist
cultures as well right and so what you were saying about like, you know, poor people and like how they're willing to give their last piece of fruit, you know, as opposed to someone who might have all kinds of money.
They got the status, they got the wealth, but they're not in that, you know, type of a mindset.
You know, we have to be able to bridge the gap.
I don't want to name it, but I got to name it because I think he's a great example of this, the homie AJ down there. You know what I'm saying?
One of the things I talked about humility, right? Everybody that knows AJ, knows his spaces,
knows what he does, right? You know, the man is like deep in different industries,
but the dude is such a huge giver. And he's talked about
this before in relation to, um, like sometimes I'll give selfishly because even if I give
selfishly, it will help promote an abundance mindset. And I know it will return to me. However,
it will return to me. You know what I mean? So, and I don't think he gives selfishly,
but like, even if he does give selfishly, there's always value in that.
So we can talk about having financial capital. We can talk about having all kinds of different capital.
But social capital is very important and how we integrate that as we move forward, as we try and influence the macro.
Daz, I see you down there. I saw you requested. I'm going to send you the mic again if you'd like.
But I appreciate that, Kim. I really i really do spiritual you're officially next uh we can go to you and
then we'll circle back to sheila you sure you want to go next here all right yeah go ahead
i definitely um yeah i want to circle back around but that that's how you would do it though the weed out the the the i guess
quote bad the criminals is to like aj would say rip the band-aid off let people know we can heal
herself the money situation needs to be cut off i love what miss kim said about no borders like
dude they literally are stole our birth rights and we want to sit in here
and talk about social media and google stealing all our data i i feel y'all on that i don't give
a about that can we elevate the conversation to how to move it forward sometimes you know what
i mean like there's got like you said press there's got to be another step to moving the needle forward
The biggest shit that I cannot
Stop thinking about is they're literally every i'm gonna say every space they're trafficking our kids and poisoning our food
They are harming us more than anybody on these spaces anybody you'll ever meet
And yet we want to stay down here with the conversation
i'm not saying start something but can we get a movement can we meet somebody in dc at the white
house i'm back in virginia i'm back where i used to do not mind affairs shit and i feel so
pure at my heart like all the bad stuff i used to do i'm right back in the mix of it and i feel so
good i'm not going around to people i'm not getting engaged in the stuff that i did 15 years ago that
makes me feel good for me you know so when i do get on here can we elevate man it's 20 26 press
miss kim is banging down there i mean everybody's good energy. Let's move them to need a forward
That's all I wanted to say. Oh, yeah, and what Richard though, dude Google's stealing our dead data all the time
Who cares about that? Any of any of that that shit right there?
If we can't have banana trees on the road and help feed people like y'all saying
What are we doing? And I appreciate y'all saying what are we doing
and i appreciate y'all letting me throw that down man because i really get emotional
banana trees don't grow up here on this far north in the hemisphere and uh you know we we all have
to think about that we all different geomagic geologically positioned on the planet. And it's in the unity of all of us getting along back and forth
that we all can continue to do these things
and work together back and forth.
Because with seasonal changes,
those got to be contemplated from the northern hemisphere
to the southern hemisphere and in the middle.
So in retaliation, to what you may be saying, yes, it's Google, all the data.
It's the people and the connections and them working together.
Now, we can use the platforms to communicate with one another,
using the platforms to communicate with one another but don't get committed to those other
things that can lead you off and astray like maybe your phone service and you having so much trouble
with staying online do you ever think about that so gentlemen and to everybody in the space so let
me provide a little bit of balance here if i may right and i might tie it back to what kim was saying in relation to immigration so spiritual
i think you're right i think the call to action is we can talk and talk and talk and it can be a
hamster wheel but what is going to be our action steps right how are we going to be practical when
we're talking about being solution oriented i think fair enough addition to, we can't bypass the micro, right? So one can say, fine,
the social media stuff, who cares about that? But when we're talking about the micro, the micro is
also going to be relativistic to us as individuals. And so tying it back to what Kim was saying,
and just immigration in general, there are people who are living in fear based on social media, right? And there are
actual tangible implications when it comes to social media. So it would be dishonest. It would
be operating with negligence to be like, let's just put this to the side. Who cares? Let's just
be boots to ground. We have to be able to deal with the micro as it relates to us as individuals
so that now we can have that ripple effect to the collective. So what I be able to deal with the micro as it relates to us as individuals so that now we
can have that ripple effect to the collective. So what I'm trying to say is it's not necessarily,
again, a separation. It's an integration of both. And again, going back to the people to the people.
And I hope that makes sense to everyone in this space and to both our gentlemen here as well.
So with that being said, let's go to Sheila. And I see we got Daz on stage as well.
Sheila, hit it. So I'm going to corroborate with what Kim says. And I am going back to what I said
initially in the space we're referring to. And what we're referring to is the ontological
disparity, which is significant relating to certain groups, right? How they're fundamentally devalued or
marginalized. And it has, it's with that ideation of this, this, within this dominant worldview,
right? I know what she's saying because I feel the same way and I've known no other country
aside from this country, which is for america right but i was born
in a different country i did not learn any of the history until i dove in my own history finding out
my own and yet it's still incomplete i i am faced um with many walls and many lies and it's upsetting.
But then at the same time, I had to like take a deep breath.
And I think that's what she is addressing right now.
She's addressing, she's highlighting how certain groups are excluded
and recognized and they are devalued and marginalized.
I mean, we all kind of know what disparity means.
So yeah, it is a huge problem
because I think because it stems from the idea
or the concept of us not being the same
or that the soul or the essence is not housed in this,
in this body, or that they think that, you know, you, you're born and then you die and then that's
it. But where there's many different ways of addressing that idea or that philosophy or concept,
um, because they are still currently arguing about it the difference between you know the
ancient far east and greek ancient greek and that philosophy of dualism duality all that it
and on and this thing that she's addressing it stems from that that. And I don't know how to address that any clearer,
but it has a lot to do with the mindset and what information has been suppressed, controlled,
and such. Because there are so many things about many countries, many peoples, but we're all the
same. But we're looking at it in a point of view that we're all different,
right?
But we're not.
So, and what Charity was saying, coming from the heart, that is huge, huge.
I know you could be the smartest person and have all these institutional achievements,
which means jack shit if you don't know how to treat human beings and be human.
We're here to actually experience what we're experiencing.
It's unfolding right now.
But we need to actually center ourselves too.
And I pray that everybody with a good heart is coming from a good place
so that we don't repeat these mistakes.
And we're trying to correct the mistakes.
That we should treat each other with love and respect
and we won't have that Malthusian theory operating on where we're competing and that there's scarcity.
We all naturally, naturally we are abundant, but we don't have that mind condition because we were taught to compete, to fight, and to conquer, right?
It's crazy. It really is crazy.
Owning land when this land was never owned.
Yeah, I feel you, Kim, and I think that's what you're addressing.
So I think, you know, and I want to get a gauge and a pulse for everybody in this space.
I think it's important if I and I don't want to take too much time.
I don't want to make it about me, but I think it would be important if I go through my opening statements again.
All right. You know, especially for the newer people that came in, because I think some of this kind of goes into that okay i'm getting emojis so i'm assuming i got the approval there and then we'll
go right back to das right because and sheila actually i do want to ask you a reflective
question too actually let's do that and then i'll go back to my opening statement so when you first
came to the u.s right um did you suppressed? Did you feel like the value systems and how,
you know, the acculturation process of you and your family assimilating to America, do you feel,
did you feel back then, and maybe even now, you know, and of course, you're your own person,
I know you've hinted in your own spaces, like, having to create that distinction, even within
your own family, right, as part of being thyself, right? But did you feel
that heaviness of that suppression piece when you first came to the United States, or did your
family members feel that? Well, I'm not going to speak on behalf of my family. I know what their
point of view is, but I don't think it's fair to address that. i i came when i was young um there were differences yes i saw
but my differences i used that as my benefit because it was it was a strength really because
my culture in the way that i was raised and conditioned right right? I felt was more natural in the heart than it is the superficial materialistic
point of view, because it was all about me, me, me, me. But I was raised to be more humble and
have humility, because that is what they rewarded, to be humble and we're here it's it was about
being confident and showing off and all that stuff and then they rewarded that which to me i
you know i i didn't know that to be a good thing because i was raised to be humble and that was more rewarding than to be um hubris or overconfident right um but so i don't i
uh did i start feeling that when i started going up absolutely absolutely and i always say this
and i've said this many times i'm a female i'm asian and i was raised as a catholic there's my
triple whammy right there
so can you just imagine how hard it has been for me to be able to keep my senses together at the
same time also address it in a culture that only will accept that part which is being out there and open and loud and whatever. That's not a natural thing.
Yeah, so it was fucking dope.
Yeah, it was really hard, triple hard.
I hope I answered your question.
No, you did, you did.
And I appreciate your openness.
And I honor and respect going into your family stuff as well.
So, yeah, you you know the marginalization
piece there's just so many layers right as it pertains to our own individual experiences and
then having to assimilate and then having the acculturation process let alone our families as
well that if you do have family around you that can be difficult so i want to go into my opening
statements again and i hope this can help open it
up a little bit and then we'll go to das right away okay so i talked about richard kipping right
who's like a astronomer slash astrophysicist and he um talks about quantum immortality right the
idea of how our lifespans would perhaps shape how we think about things and how we share commonalities,
right, as part of the human race. And so he had hinted that if we are immortal beings,
then maybe we wouldn't be as motivated because human beings are tribalistic in nature.
And so with that sense of tribalism, there is that competitive knack, right, or edge,
which you had hinted, Sheila, right, that competitiveness
as well, which can be imbalanced in a way whereby the heart-scented piece doesn't come to the
forefront. And if that doesn't come to the forefront, that means we are limited to short-termism in the
ways we go about things. So perhaps imagine if we were able to live 500 years, for instance,
and we think about other things, environmental factors that are affecting us tangibly, whether it's climate change or this, that, and the third, you know, if it is taken
seriously, right? There'd be more implications to that when we know we're going to be living in it
for a minute, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, in the last place, we talked about the
generational gaps, right? The disconnects amongst different generations and who gets acknowledged,
who doesn't,
even as it pertains to the ethno-social-cultural historical specifics, right? And so if you're
living for such a long time, there's going to be so much reflective collective insights that will
come about through the act of just existing and existing for so long, and perhaps maybe even how
we view this planet in relation to each other would shift too, right? I talked about
humility, right? Something that I've been reflecting upon as part of the divine virtues,
as part of one's individual pathway towards purity, peace, and heightened states of love,
which would go into woo-woo intergalactic talk as well, right? So perhaps being self-aware and
affirming oneself in relation to growth and being in intentional acts of servitude
is one thing. In addition to, humility could perhaps promote more observational thinking in
a way whereby we realize even with what we know, there's more we can learn from each other. And if
we are walking each other home as part of that remembrance piece as it pertains to the collective
conscious, then this would help alleviate putting oneself on a pedestal or having
internal claims which may not be expressed outwardly in a hierarchical manner when thinking
about the fellow man. And I think this is what Kim was hinting at as well, right? So my intention
here is not to bypass history, injustices, inequity, inequality, or the systems that be.
My intention here is to see how can humanity be intentional
towards each other without the reliance or over-dependence on ideological attachments
that could lead and result to maladaptive behaviors, going back to tribalistic thinking
and being able to promote theory of mind by reserving impending judgment while being in
those reflective states of observation and being solution-oriented from the people to the people,
which is inclusive of every person on earth. Inclusivity. We can't talk about unity without
talking about inclusivity, right? We just can't. Or else we're kidding ourselves. We're just
bullshitting ourselves, right? Inclusivity is a fundamental factor here, which I propose could
be crucial when deconstructing and ushering life-giving
paradigm shifts for the good of humanity, right? And so perhaps convos like this could be
archaeological records that future generations can tap into, see, reflect upon, and engage with
in how humanity tried to push the needle, like spiritual is trying to articulate there, right?
Even if it was little by little, and the micro in order to impact the macro, right? Even if it was little by little in the micro in order to impact the macro,
right? So I just wanted to share that to everyone in the space, especially other people who weren't
here for those opening statements, because I think it is important, right, as we're talking about
these different things. And again, I had some reflective questions that we can think about.
Is achieving global unity and peace complicated by lack of introspection does acceptance not agreement
contribute to our shared commonalities and lastly is the human family a fallacy okay so i just want
to be able to offer that to the space as we move on but daz welcome to the stage man how are you
doing today and what are your thoughts on the topic or what you've heard so far?
Yeah, what's up, Chris?
All good.
I'm just still processing this topic,
how to achieve global unity.
And my first thoughts with this is,
you know, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know if we can.
And that's just me being honest.
And again, I don't mean to like sound self-indulgent,
but maybe it's my neurodivergent self. How I process these questions is drawing from my own experience in life
and on this app you know
and it's like I exist in many communities on this app due to my identity and my interests right
and about six months into being on this app I created a chat called unifiers of x right and
it's interesting for me because a number of you were in this chat,
a number of you may still be in this chat,
but a number of you left this chat,
a number of you I removed from the chat, right?
And that's interesting to me because for me,
For me, I kind of, I am who I am.
I kind of, I am who I am.
And I stand up for my beliefs and my identity.
But I feel like, and let's be real, being a black person,
that's very hard for people to receive that, you know?
You know, again, I'll say, i'll say i said in sheet of space that got translated into
you know as a drama queen he's aggressive like i say for me that's really kind of racism
because for me just to be able to speak my truth that's how you all received it that's why i just a lot of you don't really see me no more because when that all happened there was no unifying energy that came to combat that
you know everyone just kind of you know uh stepped aside so it's just very interesting for me where
it's just like can we achieve global unity where we're on this kind of app and it's a microcosm of the macrocosm.
It's just like if you've got someone who actually literally created a chat called Unifiers of X, having the intention to try and bring people together.
And people are leaving, people are slandering and everything.
leaving people are slandering and everything it's just very interesting to me how people move but
then they want to sit in these spaces and go on like oh yeah yeah yeah but all here for unity it's
like i'm just that person that's just going to be real and it's not to make anybody feel
uncomfortable again it's my neurodivergent self having to deal with being black, gay and neurodivergent and then British amongst so many of you Americans.
This is the reason why I do my spaces, not for fame, not for followers, but simply to have a safe space for me.
Right. And I still do not know if we can achieve global unity.
do not know if we can achieve global unity. Why? Because only yesterday I'm having to deal with,
you know, this person calling me a faggot psychotherapist, another one trying to challenge
me about, you know, accepting the N word. And I'm there trying to explain to this person,
you can't really tell me as a black person, how I should feel about a word that I've had to process for you know maybe
two decades that that caused me so much hurt and caused me so much pain and you're someone from the
internet who's not even from my race and you want to have a um a projection and an assumption
about how I received this word like Like, it's not your place.
You need to ask me what has been my journey about it.
And this is the point, isn't it?
It's like people don't listen to the people that have really been impacted,
who have the marginalised identities and are out on the other side.
Then we're not going to get anywhere.
But what I notice happens in this 3D reality,
what I notice happens on social media,
is the ones who are celebrated are the ones who, you know,
have all the following.
The ones who are celebrated are the ones who have made all the money.
And for me, that's just a very superficial and materialistic stance and this is what Sheila said isn't it and
I think until we actually truly be honest with ourselves until we actually truly find that depth
and are able to really hold these uncomfortable conversations when you're faced with people who
are actually living it and you're actually able
to receive it that's when we can achieve global unity but you all have shown me that you're not
able to the majority of the majority of the people on this app number of you in this space have shown
me that you're not able to so I can't be honest and and say yes I think we can because I'm
literally in a room where I'm seeing people that I'm like
yeah you're not ready and and the thing is I will say this final thing when it comes to what Kim said
I appreciate what you said Kim I really did I heard you you know I'm recognizing that as a white female
isn't it interesting how when a white female speaks on race and the inequalities of what black people face,
people seem to really receive it. I noticed that for me as a black person. So I'm now thinking,
oh my gosh, is that what it is? Do we need to really have more white people stand up and
speak about the inequalities around race? But then I know that it's not just about race,
it's about the LGBT movement
it's about press knows what you know the immigration side of things there's so many
different things that we are all going through and it sounds for me it's when there's someone
else who's not dealing with it or doesn't have to deal with it like Kim she doesn't have to deal
with it but she spoke about it so passionately
and that really has impact.
And then there's someone like me
who's actually living it.
And just by me speaking honestly about my experience,
I'm the one who gets pushed aside,
slandered and have to deal with further racism,
further trauma and further pain.
So yeah, from my experience experience sitting amongst all of you,
no, I don't think we can.
And thank you for allowing me to share my thoughts, Prez.
Yeah, no worries.
You touched on identity and interests
and also the materialistic side of things,
especially when it comes to these bigger accounts.
And I think self-honesty is key.
Right. And I think it's OK to say I don't know.
Right. And so even though I had those opening statements and whatever, the ones that were here earlier, I did say that, you know, I want to be able to hear what everybody else is saying, because I also personally don't know, Daz. I don't know. And there's a distinction between
observation and judgment. And I don't know if you and I will agree on this per se, but
I guess, you know, you've done, you know, for instance, the race relations spaces back in the
day. And I know how tricky that was navigating those conversations, but you held space for so
many different people,
which was inclusive of whether it was white folks, whether it was black folks,
the indigenous communities. Kim actually talked about that as well. Part of it is also lack of
education and then also the lack of willingness to be educated when it comes to these things.
And so if we're trying to be intentional towards each other, or we're trying to be intentional towards humanity, whether it's in the micro and the macro,
we have to put ourselves in those boots to ground type of scenarios. You know what I'm saying? So
now I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. And I guess maybe one reflective question back to you,
Daz, is so there's the online stuff, right? And, you know, you're going to limit it to your personal
experiences. How about offline? How has it been for you in general? You know, maybe what you've
seen either maybe in a clinical setting or just in relational dynamics, you know, in relation to
your story. And I know you don't have to go into everything, but have you seen the same type of
thing with people whereby number one
they're not honest with themselves in terms of intentionality as you asked me this question
there's so many things that came up and i'm gonna kind of try and spin it in a positive way because
i've started my my practice now so i'm seeing a range of different clients and the
clients that have been magnetized to me are all black which is interesting because I think they
all recognize that a white person won't be able to hold their pain when it comes to race because
they haven't gone through it so that's the thing. But then the second thing is being a black gay person.
I've got a number of young, maybe in their 20s, black gay people.
I would have assumed that they would have all been like really struggling and so isolated.
But I literally had my third session with this client today.
He's actually American, but he's living in the UK now.
but he's living in in the uk now and this guy's story is so inspirational because he had parents
that let him be him in terms of his sexual orientation and he said that because i had to
ask him i said how how is it that you're so just you know together and thriving like you know
and he told me the story of his mum used to go to the churches
because she used to move every four years and she would go to the church before they would
actually join and she would say listen I've got two queer children I need to know that your church
is accepting I need to know that they're not homophobic and all of this stuff. And to have parents that are so embracing of the sexual identity,
that's really helped me process so much because it was the complete opposite to my story.
I've said a number of times, not like people cared,
but I've said a number of times that I lost my family and my community when I came out.
Right. That is the amount of trauma that that's
created just in terms of even dealing with groups so to sit with a client who you know is so together
when it comes and he loves himself because he had parents who loved him that gives me hope so
in my real world I'm actually processing the fact that I thought the majority of black gay people went through what I went through.
So the universe is bringing me people to show me now.
Unfortunately, you had a difficult situation, but there are people who, you know, their parents did better by then.
And I think that's a message to all parents that when you're if your children do actually turn out to be gay,
that if your children do actually turn out to be gay,
the best thing you can do is still love them anyway
because the trauma, the darkness and the disadvantage,
the abuse that they have to endure
just because you want a safe face in society
is so much of a difficult cross to bear.
I don't think you would really want to put your child through that
if you knew the pain you'll be causing them just by not accepting them in their entirety i hope that
helped answer the question first yes it does and a quick response a quick reflective response to
you know um you know spiritual had highlighted like how like and again not comparing just want
to make sure i'm clear here but like the importance of family dynamics, right, in terms of how it can either hinder or nurture a child, right, depending on where they're at.
And so now you add different marginalization pieces, especially when it comes to sexuality.
Yeah, it definitely heightened things further.
further would you say for yourself then daz as you're processing things as you're dealing with
clients and just relational dynamics in the world in the 3d matrix you're still processing the family
wounds that you had to go through and societal wounds if i may add yeah 100 percent um i was
speaking with our friend josh yesterday and he asked me your question in terms of so what do you
not have a partner I've never really asked
you that you know I said you know what to be fair I've had to make the choice that luckily I've got
my family back but knowing how um they're still not fully accepting of as they put quote-unquote
lifestyle I kind of have to sadly make the choice that I can't really have a relationship right now because I know that if I do, then that creates an even more trickier dynamic where it comes to me and my family.
So just asking me that question really brought out an honesty in me.
And I'm sharing it with you today was one of the reasons why I don't have a partner because of, you know, if I do, then what?
I'm going to lose my family again. But then at the same time,
meeting these clients,
I'm now working through it within myself to be like, you know what,
maybe I can actually, you know,
get to the place of still having that love with my family and finding the
love of a partner as well.
And that was all thanks to Josh asking me that question
Allowing me just to kind of process
Richard
Ah my phone's getting off the counter
It's trying to take off on me
How are you doing this
It's got a mind we're doing doing thing
Okay Rich Did that answer your question Press Yeah it did It's got a minor doing doing thing.
Okay, Rich.
Did that answer your question, Press?
Yeah, it did.
You know, it reminded me of I was last semester, I was taking my counseling theory and skills techniques class.
And we had like these mock videos that we'd have to like respond.
Like it would be like a maybe like a five minute monologue right the client is sharing
and then you have to give a response it's on um what's the website called skill setter
and um one of the mock videos was on a client who identified as she was a lady but she identified as
um and i want to make sure i'm correct here because i'm also learning right i'm also trying
to improve and learn these things was she trans no no no she wasn't trans she was queer but she
still had she her pronouns um and one of the big issues for her was the integration of or at least
exercising balance of okay family acceptance and then now the next stage being able
to bring a partner and so even within that five minute video like she was saying like
yeah you know my family oh and by the way let me add another layer which can go into marginalization
her ethno-social culture historical background was arabic right and so if you look into arabic
cultures even independent from religion, right,
Islam and all kinds of things, or just the Abrahamic faiths, when it comes to sexuality,
it is a huge, huge thing, right? Like if you want, once they quote unquote, think that you're
deviating from the norm within that family cultural system, it's a huge thing. And I remember
when I had to respond to that, I was like,
what the hell am I going to say? And of course, I wouldn't get a response back. But I had to think
about that therapeutic alliance and rapport piece, knowing that I don't have that layer of
marginalization because I identify as straight, right? But the shared commonalities that I had
with the client is my own respective ethno-social-cultural historical background, right?
Like, from my mom's side, my mom's lineage actually comes from Abu Dhabi, even though they're Tanzanians.
And so, and if you look into the Tanzanian culture or just African culture in general, Kim knows this as well.
It's so diverse when it comes to religions and acceptance of religions.
However, now when we go into sexuality, like people get killed. Like once they hear A, B, C, and D, people get killed, people get
shunned, people get whatever. And so what you were saying just really reminded me of that in terms of
the heaviness of, you know, exercising or trying to exercise balance when it comes to, you know,
not like catering to your family but you know wanting to
be accepted and then also being able to live your life accordingly which is not easy at all you know
what i'm saying so yeah um that that's just what it made me think of but um there's i don't know
if you have a response to that and then then I see we got Josh on stage as well.
Sorry, I dropped out. I know that you. What was that about catering to the family? Oh, I guess what I was trying to acknowledge the heaviness when it comes to that, you know, navigating that balance of, OK, acceptance from family members.
balance of, okay, acceptance from family members, and even if a person gets to that stage, but then
also being able to live their life accordingly, and especially when it comes to partnerships,
right? And so that video made me really, really think, like, you know, if I potentially see
clients one day, and, you know, there are certain aspects of their marginalized identities that I
don't necessarily identify with, how do I foster therapeutic alliance and rapport? And part of it is self-disclosure, at least for me, and I know self-disclosure can be tricky. You have to be could relate to that and the heaviness that comes with religion and adherence to religion, even as it pertains to family culture.
And so I remember part of my response was, you know, obviously acknowledging the difficulty and acknowledging that I can never fully relate, but also being able to, you know, disclose a little bit of my own self-disclosure, you know, in hoping to foster that therapeutic alliance and a rapport, you know you disclose a little bit of my own self-disclosure you know in hoping to foster that
therapeutic alliance and a rapport you know and i wonder maybe if that's something you've had to do
maybe even with other clients that might not have the same shared marginalized identities with you
you know but that that's a it's difficult man yeah go ahead das and then I see Josh on stage. Yeah, I would always say in terms of self-disclosure,
as open as I am on spaces when I'm working with clients, it's just not about me. So yeah,
self-disclosure, it has to be very considered and very measured. Maybe in those kind of examples as you're using it may help the person
to feel like okay he can't necessarily relate to me on this but he can relate to me on that
so i see where you're coming from it's hard for me because i have three different marginalized
identities and what i recognize working with these types of clients is they they they do feel more comfortable working with someone who has a
similar marginalized identity to them so if you're in that situation you're not going to know how
they're going to receive it or how that you disclosing something of something else is going
to really help build that relationship because they might still feel like well you've told me
this but you still don't really understand that so it's a very much tricky one and i will just help build that relationship because they might still feel like, well, you've told me this,
but you still don't really understand that. So it's a very much tricky one. And I will just caution you when it comes to the self-disclosure, because as therapists, you do need to just try
and remain as boundaried as you can. The more you tell of yourself, then that risks them,
you know, creating more assumptions. So it's better to not self-disclose too much too
quickly because you want to be an empty mirror for them to be able to, you know, process their
journey for themselves. Now, yeah, of course. And that's what I hinted in my share. You have to
know your reasoning as to why you're self-disclosing in the first place, right? Ultimately, it's about being in servitude to the client, not in relation to self.
And for me, self-disclosure is part of the therapeutic rapport and building alliance
piece, right?
Knowing and recognizing and acknowledging that I might not have this marginalized identity
and I want to be able to acknowledge that.
But maybe with this, you know, maybe it can help,
you know, foster that therapeutic rapport even further. And even, I'll even add too, Des,
maybe by sharing that, maybe the client can come to the realization themselves that maybe I do need
a therapist that actually aligns fully with all those marginalized identities, right? And they
even say, like, I think even within the first
two weeks of getting to know a client, it's best to keep it real with them and ask them and check
in, how are you feeling? And how do you see this relational dynamic going? You know what I mean?
Even without going into full self-disclosure. And so that's kind of like my MO, my angle of
approach. And of course, I wouldn't just do it all willy-nilly just for the sake of it,
just to make myself feel good. Like, ah, yeah, I was able to, you know, match up to this. No. So
yeah, I agree with you. And obviously, that wouldn't be my intention to just self disclose
for the sake of it. But yeah, thanks, Daz. I appreciate your insights and what you've
brought to the space. Let's go to Josh. Josh, welcome, man. How are you doing today? And
how are you doing today and um what are your thoughts on the topic how to achieve global unity
what are your thoughts on the topic, how to achieve global unity?
well hello everybody i'm sorry i'm a little late prez i'm sorry i was on a phone call i was in a
meeting um it's good to see all of you of course prez you know i'm gonna go to the ladies first
sheila what's up beautiful hello kim what's up barbara what's up aura beautiful? Hello, Kim. What's up, Barbara? What's up, Aura, Charity, and others in the space?
I'm not going to call everybody out, but what's up, brothers?
I see you, Southern.
Daz, my battle.
D'Aaron.
And brother, Prez.
I'm saving the host for last.
So my thought on this topic, and obviously I haven't been in here a long time,
but I was in the previous space,
and I did ponder a little bit on this topic
of what's the best way to bring unity globally.
And I think it has to start out number one with love, like
unconditional love. Each one of us, we got our love, all the beautiful PFPs. Everybody's unique
to themselves because we're all individuals. But I believe I'm going to come into it with unconditional love until it's challenged.
But I have to remember part two in my bullet points is grace.
Because unless I take the time to understand your perspective,
then that's not love.
That's not grace.
I have to take the time to get to know you.
I have to take time to understand where you're coming from.
And I think that's super important for unity is instead of prejudging or judging a book by its cover
or an encounter, you know, I was just listening to Prez or Daz.
He gets guarded because people don't necessarily take the time to understand.
And I think that is super important.
Sorry, my dogs are barking in the background.
It's really important.
I've gotten to know many of you personally and given grace where there is needed.
But I think more importantly, if I'm going to respond to you, it's because I understand who you are.
Not what you're trying to project, but who you are underneath.
Because we all put on a little bit of a mask in certain situations.
And sometimes it's protective.
Sometimes it's hiding.
Sometimes it's hiding.
Sometimes it's this or that.
Sometimes it's this or that.
But I'd like to approach any new relationship or current relationship.
I mean, I deal with this all the time just on a personal level with my family, with my wife.
There needs to be the main thing of that unconditional love and grace because I've yet to meet somebody that's
perfect in how they relate to the environment around them. But I can only have unconditional
love if I'm willing to take the time to understand where they're coming from. I don't have to agree with
you by no means. I don't have to agree with you. I have my core values and I will set my own
boundaries. But why would I isolate you because I don't agree with you? That's not unconditional love. I want to love everybody and accept you for who you are.
Now, do we all need to grow? I think that everybody in this room right now
can grow a little bit more and we got to learn. But I like the authenticity. And when I feel
comfortable with somebody, I'm going to be authentic with them. And I'm going to say,
yeah, well, this is my opinion. I'm not to say, yeah, well, this is my opinion.
I'm not telling you how to think, but this is my opinion.
This is my perspective.
This is how I can view from outside of you.
And I've got an entire army around me that challenges me on me in the way that I think.
And the only reason why I am okay with them challenging me on the way that I think is because I'm open to them.
I don't have to agree with you, but I'm open to you.
And I think that's really important, Prez.
So I think unconditional love, understanding, and grace.
Thank you, Josh. I appreciate that. You know, yeah, unconditional love until it's
challenged, right? And then grace, unless you, yeah, grace, exhibiting grace and taking the time
to understand, you know, the perspectives. Again, not necessarily agreement. And I think
I hinted that in part of my reflective questions. What I will say just for myself, and this is just for myself here, whether it's in spaces, whether it's offline, whether it's through education, I do not code switch at all.
a professor, actually, different department in the DBA department, so the Doctorate of Business
Administration. He was having a conversation with some students, and I happened to be there
because I was talking to them as well. And since we're talking about race, black gentlemen as well,
and he was talking about the corporate world and this and the third and masks, kind of like what
you were saying, Josh. And I told him, bro, I'm not here to put on a mask.
I'm not here to put on a mask.
I'm going to say what I want to say.
I'm going to be me.
Because for me, if I have to put on a mask and I have to maintain that mask, it gets exhausting.
Or it will get exhausting.
And so when we're talking about acceptance or agreement or even acceptance with disagreement,
I would rather just be me and people take me as I come and I know my character at the end of the day.
And I've said this before in other spaces, I let my character determine my lifestyle.
And that was something that was nurtured by my mama.
Let your character determine your lifestyle.
And the people who will resonate with you, they will.
People who will resonate with you, they will.
And people who won't, won't.
And people who won't, won't.
So, yeah, man, I agree.
You know, people, maybe sometimes they put on masks because it can be a form of protection or a form of guarding.
I think in relation to my, I'm only speaking about myself here.
Man, the whole code switching stuff, man, I just can't do it.
I just can't.
And it's more fulfilling that way, too, when you know people accept.
Dr. Christina is laughing at me.
You know, radical acceptance. Dr.
Christina, we talked about radical acceptance early on in the space. But I want to be radically
accepted for who Prez is as is, as opposed to, you know, those masks. And again, I can also honor
and acknowledge why those masks can provide that layer of protection. Josh, a quick reflective
question to you. And then I want to go, you know, it just makes sense. It's appropriate. We go to Dr. Christina.
Daz, I'm pretty sure you have a response as well. Barbara, I see you on stage. Definitely want to
tap in. Tim as well. And wow, I've never met wow before. So I want to definitely tap in with wow
and see what their thoughts are. But Josh, so unconditional love until it's challenged.
Did you ever, or have you ever
experienced the reverse or the, yeah, the inverted version of that whereby, you know, maybe you were
giving unconditional love and then you ended up being isolated for whatever reason? And if so,
how did you deal and overcome with that challenge?
did you deal and overcome with that challenge? I got two points, Prez. One is the reflective
answer to your question. I'll answer that first. My daughter. I give my daughters unconditional
love, but I will challenge them. And I've had at least one of my daughters, now a second one, walk away from the relationship.
And it was very challenging.
And that's why I think grace is important.
Because they're just young adults.
And they're learning and they're growing and they're trying to find their own way.
And it's been really challenging, to be honest.
But when it gets back to the understanding point is I'm a veteran.
And I've spent most of the morning in tears.
years. It takes a veteran to know a veteran. I don't expect any of you that are non-veterans
It takes a veteran to know a veteran.
to understand what it was like to walk in my boots. And I've been through some challenges.
And so maybe I say things or approach things a little bit differently than maybe others.
a little bit differently than maybe others.
And so, you know, my veteran history is my past,
and it does have an influence on who I am today.
And so that's why I think it's important for people to understand
the background before making a judgment on somebody.
Understand what's lying underneath.
I mean, Christina does this all the time as a therapist.
She's, you know, professionally,
she has to be unbiased when she meets with a client.
She's got her own biases of how she believes
and thinks things should be. But that's not her job is to, you know,
project her bias on others and how they should think. Her job is to be a professional and be
unbiased and relate to the client where the client is at versus her, you know, putting whatever her thoughts or knowledge is on them.
She's trying to help guide them for them to see it themselves and maybe give suggestions
of like, you know, have you thought about it this way? Have you thought about it that way?
way? Have you thought about it that way? To help them. Her job is to help, not to direct.
And so don't talk to me. If you're not a veteran and I start talking about veteran things and the
things that I've gone through, I'm going to have a little bit more respect and understanding from
somebody that actually knows what I'm trying to relate or convey versus somebody telling me,
oh, well, that's a wrong way of thinking. Well, you're not in my boots. So if you don't
understand what my boots feel like, I have a challenge. And that's why I was crying all
morning because I was talking to a veteran friend of mine and it's going through a tough time.
talking to a veteran friend of mine and it's going through a tough time.
But you know what?
Sometimes it takes a veteran to a veteran to be able to relate and be of benefit to
me because I'm struggling as a veteran and on veteran topics.
And, you know, DAS could call me up.
Prez, you could call me up. Sheila, you could call me up. Ora could call me up, Prez you could call me up, Sheila you could call me up,
Aura could call me up but sometimes you just don't know and um
it's really hard but it's also hard because I'm not autistic I'm not any of that so when
Christina does her spaces who am I to say something? I mean,
cause I don't know. Cause Christina says this, it takes one neurodivergent to be able to
communicate effectively with another neurodivergent. I don't know. Um, and so who am I
to claim stake in the ground and say my opinion is correct?
That's why I think we need to be careful in understanding kind of the backstory behind things present.
Thank you, Josh.
Everyone in this space, if we can take a quick 15 or 20 second pause and just let us just breathe with that just for a little bit in honor of josh
bro you know as you were speaking my little brother sent me a message.
And I don't even want to be emotional myself.
But firstly, Josh, I'm here for you, man.
And that's heavy.
My brother sent me a message.
He was like, hey, big bro,
you'll do great, fam.
Lead with the same confidence
I know you possess
and it will be well.
And, yeah,
it's not easy, man.
You know, we,
we go through these challenges
and we go through these challenges and, but,
you know,
it ties back to what you had said early on as part of your opening
statements,
you know,
looking underneath,
right.
And like you said,
you know,
therapists are able to do that.
Your wife is able to do that.
Daz is able to do that.
And other,
you know, clinically
trained professionals as well. And I think we can also do it even without being clinically trained
if we have not just the toolbox, but, you know, being intentional. I always go back to that word.
You guys might be sick of me saying that, but intentionality is such a huge thing for me.
It is the antecedent that precedes everything.
It precedes the action steps that needs to happen in terms of relate. Oh, I can't even speak in
terms of general connection and relational dynamics. And I do honor, and I might have an
alternative opinion on this, right? I don't know if everybody in the room will agree with this.
I do honor that. Yes. You know, when it comes to communication, it is easier between, you know, people on the same wavelength. So if you're a neurodivergent with a neurodivergent individual, you know, there's going to be that, I don't know, I don't want to go woo woo here, but there's something there, that telepathic communication whereby, yeah, like, I don't just see you or hear you and value you, but like, I really, really understand what you're saying. You know what I'm saying? As opposed to
maybe just neurotypical individuals with neurodivergence. But I think intentionality
is one of those things. I'm not saying it will lead to perfection, but it can lead to progression
when it comes to relational dynamics, whether it's with a neurotypical to a neurotypical,
neurotypical to a neurodivergent, or a neurodivergent to a neurotypical, or a neurodivergent to a neurodivergent.
You can be neurodivergent and not be intentional. And those relational dynamics create a rupture.
You can be neurotypical and be unintentional as well. And those relational dynamics can also
create a rupture as well. So Josh, I appreciate you sharing that, man,
and just coming through to the space.
You know, you didn't really have to,
especially with everything going on,
but I really do appreciate it, man.
I think it would be appropriate for me
to go to Daz straight away,
and then we'll go to Dr. Christina,
and then we'll go to Barbara,
because Barbara's been waiting for a minute,
Southern ICU, my brother,
and then Tim and Wow as well.
I definitely want to hear from Wow
because I've never heard Wow speak. So Daz, i'm pretty sure you got a response man and then we'll
go to dr christina go ahead yeah thanks i mean there was something that i left out in terms of
the self-disclosure that i felt just would um be fitting to add and it was that with that same client that um told me about his story of his mum
going to the churches before she even joined the church to to like check with the pastor that he's
accepting of queer people do you know that was the first session that I had with that client and I
I felt myself tearing up because I just knew that my mum wouldn't have done that.
And I knew that she was so much in the church and it was kind of the,
her religious dogma that kind of really separated us.
Just hearing that story touched me so much,
Prez,
that in that moment I did self-disclose to that client and I let him know that
my experience was the complete opposite and for how wonderful that he must feel to know that
his mum done that because he said that he didn't know he only found out that his mum done that like
say a couple of years ago and I literally said can you please tell your mum that I said thank you
because it gave me hope that there are people that can actually, you know, provide that true unconditional love.
When we're talking about conditional love
and unconditional love, like Josh was saying,
unfortunately for me, it feels like my mother's love
was conditional because if I wasn't the person that she was,
then she withdrew that from me.
And that's a very difficult, you know,
thing to have to kind of accept right but that
that was the situation that conditional love unconditional love right and then I just wanted
to say in terms of getting to know each other it's so true and I just wanted to give props to
you know Josh I really felt your pain and you know know, we spoke yesterday and, you know, stay strong, man. But Prez, I also felt yours and being a sensitive.
Sometimes when it's like a space where people are so open and authentic, it can be quite, you know, a lot to process.
I always use that word.
But what I wanted to say to Prez, because I know I haven't been in these spaces for a long time.
So it's nice being able to reconnect, right? But the fact that you actually asked me at least four questions,
that showed me that, you know, you didn't just hear what I said, give a thank you, and then move
on. You literally asked the questions to get to know my story my experience a lot deeper and I know that
we can't do that with every person on Spaces but in those moments when it does happen you know you
do feel like oh my god this person actually does want to know this person actually does
want to understand and and you literally just demonstrated that so I had to kind of acknowledge it. Thank you, Daz. I appreciate
that. Yeah, I really do. And maybe just a quick reflective question to you. You know, we're
talking about the dangers of self-disclosure, right? And imposing values. So when you were
able to do that and like provide clarity to that client in terms of, you know, what his
mama had done, what did it do for the client well i know you can't go into details but what was like his
response or the gist of it if you don't mind sharing you know i just remember seeing because
all of my sessions are online so there's it's limited in terms of what i'm picking up energetically
from the body language and that so i could only really read the facial expressions and there was just this big smile that came on his face
and then he was just like I really appreciate you saying that but I could also get a sense that
that's all he's known he's had parents that have always embraced him and and he's he's aware that
when he's gone out into the gay world, how it's kind of a rarity.
There's so many gay people that have to go through the rejection,
have to go through the abandonment.
And it's even worse if you're coming from the black community.
So for him to be a black gay person, it really, really surprised me.
And he was just like, no, that actually really does mean a lot.
And if I can respond where I was coming from,
I felt I was taking a really big risk sharing that level of vulnerability with the client.
But I see that it's actually endeared me to him even more because he understands me.
You know, and this is how I explained it to him.
Even though I'm your therapist, I'm still a person,
and we all have our journeys, and this is a part of my journey.
So I'm letting you know that, okay, you had a great experience,
but it wasn't necessarily the case for me.
It was not the case for a lot of the people that I'm working with.
So value that, treasure that, and really honour your parents
for what they gave
to you. A hundred percent. And I don't know if this is related, but Dr. Heath has talked about
this. Value the relationships that you have in your life and the people who look out for you.
I remember in one of my previous spaces, the homegirl Nadine mentioned, sometimes we don't think about the people who speak nicely of us or vouch for us, you know, in, if they're willing to do that and we're able to observe that, man, it's a beautiful thing.
And I do agree. I think it was a huge risk, but I think it was a risk that, in my opinion, it sounds like it paid off.
And I think that's one of the when we talk about pros and cons of telehealth, right?
Like, yeah, the you know, we're talking about affect and mood regulation and being able to observe the body language and everything. Sometimes it can be tough,
but I'm glad that you were able to do that for that, you know, self-disclose. And also too,
I think in doing so, it's a form of psychoeducation too. Like, hey man, like it's not all sunshine,
roses and daisies for everybody else who have that same shared marginalized identity,
inclusive of me as your clinician,
because like you said, I'm not just a clinician. I'm not just no robot. I'm a person too,
you know, and I've had my own lived experiences. So I'm glad that you were able to
do that for the client, man, and keep on doing the great work that you're doing towards people.
Yeah. Thank you, Prez.
Yeah. No worries.
Prez, can I jump in before you jump over to my wifey?
Yeah, go worries. Prez, can I jump in before you jump over to my wifey? Yeah, go ahead, Josh.
It's a question that is going to be directed towards Christina because of what Daz was just talking about and what you were talking about is the self-disclosure thing.
Christina is a doctor.
is a doctor. She's a therapist. I'll let her introduce herself. But the question is,
She's a therapist.
I'll let her introduce herself.
for her, she works with a lot of neurodivergent people and she's neurodivergent herself.
Does it help? Because it, like she said, it takes one to know one and understand maybe where
somebody's coming from. Does that help you? Giving that self-disclosure.
So like Daz was saying, you know, I felt, you know,
that it was important to reveal a little bit of personal information because it helped his client.
Christina, do you find that beneficial?
But I'll toss it back over to you, Prez.
Thank you, Josh. I appreciate that.
And then after Dr. Christina goes, we'll try and tie back our shares. You know, it is part of the topic becomes a framework, right? That, you know,
again, maybe we can move the needle a little, little by little by little, and then maybe it can impact the macro as well. So now I think this is all relevant information, but yes,
let's go to, and Tamara, I see you, once we rotate some speakers, we'll definitely get you up here,
but let's go to Dr. Christina, and then we'll go to Barbara, and I see Southern's hand is is up and then I definitely want to tap in with WOW because I've never heard from WOW before.
OK, welcome, Dr. Christina. And if you'd like to answer that question, feel free. And what are your thoughts on the topic today?
Hello, Prez. Hi, Sheila. Yeah, I'm going to start. I have had just a thought kind of marinating. So I want to go there first, so I don't lose it. And then I can circle back to the question of if there's time.
don't know how much of this has already been talked about, but I would say like, especially
over the last couple of weeks, there's been something that's just been really like, well,
probably longer than a few weeks. There's something that's just been like really increasingly
becoming like making me feel really unsettled. And it really has to do with, like when we're talking about global unity, I think the most challenging thing or one of the most challenging things is that we get exposed to things going on in different parts of the world or different parts of the country, primarily through media, right? And a lot of social media. And I have been seeing just like
an exponentially increased percentage of AI footage being put out of various events. I'm
thinking of various specific events, but I don't want to fixate on the specific events because it's not relevant per se. But suffice it to say, I have seen AI footage being put out of a number of different events, and it is really alarming to me. And I think the most alarming thing to me isn't even necessarily that
there's AI footage being put out, but that people don't notice that it's AI.
Like, and sometimes really blatant things like people missing heads or body parts that actually have those body parts.
And I think I did hear you say, Prez, like a little bit earlier, I heard you made a comment
about something like boots on the ground, and I didn't catch what that was in reference
to whoever had just shared.
But to me, that's one of the most challenging things that we see supposed footage of things
going on around the world in different parts of the country
in the United States. That's where I'm located. And, you know, there's really, the only way
that you're really going to know what is happening is if you are there. But that's like not possible,
right? Like you can't be everywhere where things are happening. And so I think like,
I've just been really, I've just been feeling so unsettled because I feel like increasingly,
like there's really no way that we can trust what we see or hear on media anymore. Where I used to
feel like, at least I feel like I can, can you know I can watch the news and I can
get at least kind of a general like idea of what's going on and even in more like maybe politicized
situations it's like oh well there's multiple different networks so if I really want to get
like multiple sides right I can watch this network and then I can watch this network or things like
that right and get my information from different sources.
And I just don't even really feel like that's reliable anymore to even do that.
I just feel like there's so much. Everything has been so tainted and so doctored up now with AI.
And the AI isn't always bad, although a lot of times it is bad. So like,
again, it really concerns me that people don't recognize that or just take what they see
or hear at face value. But then where stuff is maybe doctored up really well, like how easy it
is to deceive and trick people or make or present a narrative, right? Or maybe not even with AI.
Maybe there's just video footage of, you know,
10 seconds of an interaction that happened where the context of an interaction might have taken
place over a period of minutes, hours, days, weeks, and everything's kind of taken out of context.
And so I just feel like in these situations, it's really challenging. And all of it is done to me, all of it is done in an effort to divide.
and politicians and those in authority honestly want things to be divided because it creates
narratives and it creates, you know, people respond with emotions. And so I'm just like,
I don't know what the answer is, but I know that it's not this. But I guess what I would say is
that my hope is that we really need to tap into like a much deeper
level of discernment and awareness. And I can't, I feel like I'm in a place like I don't,
I can't approach anything and take it at face value. I need to make sure that I am really being
mindful of what I'm consuming, even passively, and really kind of trying to do due diligence
or always kind of approaching things with the caveat of, yeah, but that's probably not
the full story or, oh, but this might have, you know, XYZ component to it. So that's just,
I would say, like on the topic specifically, those are some of my initial thoughts.
So yeah, I'll pass it back there.
And then if there's time to circle back to the questions, I can do that.
And yeah, we'll go.
Oh, no, feel free to, if you'd like, feel free to answer Josh's question.
And then we'll go to Barbara right after, if you are willing.
Yeah, well, so I guess like shifting back to kind of that topic where i i know josh had asked the question and das was talking about and you were talking about this too prez so from um from a
mental health standpoint so that's as my that's my day job is like i'm i'm a psychologist a clinical
psychologist and um the the population that i have predominantly worked with throughout my career, I've mostly worked
with kids and teens. And I would say like in terms of disclosure, I think like the
the tolerance for me like around disclosure is quite a bit different with kids than it is with
adults. I have always I've been much more mindful and more, not more guarded, but more cautious around
disclosure with adults. But I feel like with kids and teens and young adults, the elements of
disclosure and self-disclosure is oftentimes so helpful and beneficial to building rapport
and helping them trust you because there's kind of like an
inherent power dynamic that comes into play. And so like with kids and teens, like if they view me
as just like another adult or another authority, I'm not going to get from them what I really want
to get from them. And I need to be mindful of that. I don't want
them to look at me as like a friend and I don't want them to look at me as a peer,
but I don't want to have there be that element of like authority per se, like where they feel
intimidated or they feel as if they can't be their full, like authentic selves. And so I would say, you know,
my approach to self-disclosure, I have historically self-disclosed much more with kids and teens
than I do with adults. But to Josh's point, you know, having now most of my clinical population
has shifted to be neurodivergent folks. And I have been working with some adults as well.
I've always worked with adults for like doing testing stuff like diagnostic and psych testing
and things like that.
But I am starting to shift to more see adult therapy clients as well.
And a lot of that is just I see people, neurodivergent folks in particular, really seeking out support
from people who have that lived experience. And so I do self-disclose my neurotype. It's on my
website. I'm not secretive about that. I'm pretty transparent with that. And I did that very intentionally because I know that there are certain people who are really specifically
seeking out a very certain type of provider. And it doesn't, and the thing is like, I don't bring
up my neurotype in the session with a client because it really isn't relevant. Because even if I share the same kind of, you know,
brain type as somebody else, it's still about them. And it's still about their lived experience.
And their lived experience is going to be very different than my lived experience,
even if we both have the same diagnosis, right? So, but I do think that there can be certain
aspects of disclosure that I think can be helpful.
Sometimes I know that clients sometimes really specifically want to see a therapist of a specific race or as long as it isn't something where you're still not making it about you over-assume that like, well, just because maybe
we have a shared identity that they think the way that I do or they believe. And Daz had such a
great example of that with the client that he shared, right? Having like a very similar like
racial background and sexual orientation and having this, you know, maybe kind of internalized
assumption, well, you know, people of these marginalized identities have had these experiences
and then coming to have a client that like, wow, this, they actually had a really different
experience and being able to kind of shift that narrative of, oh, it really isn't like all Black
gay men have this experience, right? And so I think that that's really,
I really appreciated Daz's share around that too.
Because it's very easy, I think,
for all of us to fall into that trap, right?
Of, oh, this person has this XYZ identity.
And so therefore they must think this way
or they must have had these experiences.
And that's, I found that to really not be true
even like most of the time so um so yeah that's where I'll I'll go with that but I I really
appreciate the time in the space and um I appreciate you holding this space Prez I this is a very has
the potential to be a very a very heavy topic especially like in current day things that are
happening um and I just really appreciate um that appreciate that you have held down the fort around this.
And I'm glad I was able to come and contribute a little bit.
So I'll pass it back.
Thank you, Dr. Christina.
Josh, does that answer your question?
Absolutely.
We don't know where people are coming from christina hit the nail right on the head
answering that question uh prez you and i are both from minneapolis and you and i have different
perspectives so just because you're from minneapolis doesn't mean i have the same
perspective of minneapolis and we need to be careful and mindful of that. Your experience is different
than my experience. We just talked about this, Prez. It's different. And so, you know, same with
Daz. I don't know what it's like to be a gay black man living in, you know, the UK. I have no idea.
I mean, I have thoughts and I, like Christina was saying, I hear like reports in news media
and social media, blah, blah, blah.
But you know what?
You know, hitting it back home, Prez, you and I both come from the same area and we have different experiences.
So who am I to understand what your boots are and when you don't know what my boots are?
And so I got to be mindful of that
and you're mindful that with me and so i appreciate that thank you josh i appreciate that thank you
dr christina yeah you know dr christina i think um richard was kind of hinting at what you were
saying like we're talking about like corporations and like paying attention to the small details.
But it sounds like with your share, you know, perhaps like taking a step back, even that in itself is a form of exhibiting discernment.
Right. Because you do have to be careful when it comes to consumption, let alone overconsumption of things.
So, yeah, I think your share really kind of aligned with what Richard was sharing and some of the things we talked about.
And then also, too, I love what this is a talked about getting education in these spaces.
This is a good educative point, even just for me to think about, like when we're talking about different populations and power dynamics, you know, children versus adults.
And so when it comes to self-disclosure, like, you know, I remember when I was working at a play therapy center, and like one of the things with play therapy is that you let the client, so the kiddos in this case, dictate the play, right? And then you observe, and then you get the metaphors, and this, that, and the third.
And I remember one client that I worked with, and I found this out later, but this client actually had negative, I won't go into her details, of course, but had traumatic experiences, particularly with black men.
And so I was working with this client, and it was so powerful just to be able to be involved in the play.
And she would involve me in the play
and I remember when I ended my time there I was given she actually drew a picture of me you know
standing next by her and so it was such a powerful thing I'm not like I didn't need to self-disclose
anything within that framework but I think knowing what she had gone through and, you know, the visual of me being a representation of some of her lived traumatic experiences.
Man, it was such a powerful thing.
And so even if it's not self-disclosure, but I think being able to alleviate power dynamics, especially when it comes to kiddos, can go a long way when it comes to that therapeutic rapport and alliance piece.
So thank you, Dr. Christina.
That was really, really helpful. And you've given me some things to reflect upon as
well moving forward. So with that being said, Barbara has been waiting super patiently. Southern
has been waiting super patiently as well. And I want to tap in with Wow and Tamara as well. Barbara,
how are you doing today? And what are your thoughts on the topic or anything you've heard so far? Oh, thank you, Prez.
And hey, Sheila, love this topic.
Absolutely love this topic.
When I first saw this topic, I was like, oh my gosh, yes.
Now we're on to the meat and bones of the situation here.
I first want to say I have always been in the mindset.
I share exactly what Kim announced, which I do think that that is when we will achieve
actual global unity, is when we can remove all borders and call each other humans.
Not their race, not their political party, not their color of their skin, not, you know,
what religion they pray to.
I mean, all of that is just separation and ego.
In my personal opinion, that is the way I see it.
You know, and of course, I'm not going to make this about me because the topic is about
achieving global unity.
I think the only way it's going to happen, guys, is it can't happen by force.
Christina kind of touched on this, too.
There is way more of the like, gosh, what is that?
Not a playbook.
There is a mindset that they're trying to portray through the media, right?
And it's all negative.
All of it is pure hatred.
It's always like trigger baiting other groups against another group, whether it's one political party against another.
That's all we see.
And they make it sound like this is happening every four seconds.
Like as soon as you open your front door, we're just going to be flooded with pedophiles and traffickers and, you know, racists and, you know, all these horrible, horrible things.
I think, you know, I mean, at some point I would love to think everybody, including the people that
are like, you know, spewing all of this into the mainstream media will finally get a limit of it.
That's my hope. I mean, I've had enough of it myself. I know many that have stopped watching the mainstream media news for that very reason. It's all negative. There's nothing uplifting. It's always about something horrid. It's always a complaint against another. And it's always one of those categories. It's in the news that actually talks or sell humanity. And I think we've all just like blindly,
like we're slow walking, walking off of a ledge, following one person after another into this
abyss of pure hatred. And then what you've got is a bunch of, you know,
people that just in their mind think that everybody of a certain race is that
way or everybody at this church or everybody at this political, you know,
that votes this way is that way.
And it's always the worst of the worst, right?
This character assassination
isn't helping. It's not going to help stimulate growth. I know there's plenty of spaces out there
that just want to, you know, circle jerk the same pile of dog crap that's in a hallway,
is the way I describe it. It's like, could we all just sit there and let's look at that piece of
crap and look at all the minutiae and the curves and the indentations. And then let's talk about
the aroma. Why? Why are we going over and over and over again, a steamy pile of crap? You know,
why can't we just as, you know, a group of sane humans clean it up and make things better and make things
you know where people don't want to you know hate another um and you know what it's obviously it
can't be done by force and i think what it really comes down to is we need to start focusing or actually shining a light on what it really is.
Like we pull ourselves up above the PSYOP layer because I believe everybody's being played.
Every four years, there's a different candidate and it doesn't matter what side the candidate is.
We're all going to shit on that candidate and everything they stand for and the things they do and they can't do because the whole government is full of just like, you know, greed.
I mean, now we're discovering what all this money with Somalia is. We discovered all the money about Ukraine. We discovered all these things. It's like and it just keeps going on and on and on and on.
on and on and on. It's like, okay, we know this is not what we want. That's not for our higher
selves. It's certainly not, you know, helping anyone. What it's doing is it's creating more
war. I mean, that's what hatred does. It just creates more of what we don't want or what we
claim we don't want. Yet you see people, they'll just, you know, five o'clock, sit down on the
couch and just get brain fed again of more mainstream media BS, in my opinion. And, you know, five o'clock, sit down on the couch and just get brain fed again of more mainstream
media BS, in my opinion.
And, you know, Dr. Christina brought up a great point.
Now that AI is getting so good, we don't know.
We really don't know what what is real.
You know, I'm starting to feel that way sometimes in spaces.
It's like I'm seeing these cartoon PFPs of people that claim that, hey, this is their
first space, but clearly they've, you know, whatever. I don't know. I don't know what to believe. You know, I mean, AI has gotten
so good. Voice changers have gotten really good. You know, I think the only way around that would
be to actually have a live video with that person to see, oh, yeah, well, I guess this person really
is that person. You know, I mean, I just don't know what to think. There's just a
big slew of that that's happening. And I think we're not idiots. We can all see what it is.
We have ears. We have eyes to see. Are we choosing to use our own eyes to see? Are we just
placating what we're being brain-fed or spoon-? Every day at five o'clock from the mainstream media,
it's really terrible.
So yeah, I think that maybe if we could shine a light
on what is, you know, not appropriate
and what is not, you know, noteworthy
or building another human up,
maybe more people will, you know,
turn the other direction.
I don't know how that's going to work though. I mean, how can you publicly shame somebody that, you know,
is doing nothing but saying one thing and then behind their, you know, behind their back,
they're actually accepting bribes or, you know, arranging some kind of multi-million dollar
deal with fake daycare centers. I mean, you know, all the stuff that is the rage.
Everybody's upset about it because, you know,
I didn't think that my tax money would go towards supporting,
you know, these shell corporations to just make money off of us.
Yeah, no, that's not what I wanted my tax money to go towards.
But, you know, do I have a voice in that?
I don't know. Then, of course, you've got the big mystery of, OK, what about the Dominion voting
system? And, you know, all those machines that came from what the Dominican Republic or wherever
it was, it's like, OK, do we really think only one election was ever stolen? If that is true,
then it's probably happened for a long time. And we're
just completely unaware of it. My whole point is, is if there is a PSYOP player, which I believe
there is, can't we just take a bird's eye view above that and look at who the player is and why
they're doing it? And I kind of did that with the whole open border situation. It's like, okay,
if you look at China, they are the world leader. Hello,
we can't deny that. They do have way more people. Their population is huge compared to America.
I've been saying this for years now. I think the whole thing, because this has been going on with
two administrations in a row, I think the whole open borders thing, we're all screaming about it,
yet I think the real reason why they did that is to increase the population in America. Eventually, those people will get gainfully
employed. They have to to support themselves. They're not going to just live on welfare. And,
you know, I doubt these coupons or debit cards or vouchers to stay in high-end hotels
is not going to be forever. Eventually, these people will get gainfully employed,
and then they'll start paying down our national debt through their taxes as well. Eventually, these people will get gainfully employed, and then they'll start
paying down our national debt through their taxes as well. So, I mean, I don't know, guys. There's
just so much more to this cake, layers and layers, that I think a lot of people aren't looking at.
They're just looking at the surface, and they're looking at, okay, well, what feels good to me?
Well, what feels good to me is to side with somebody that hates what I hate.
It's like, well, why do that?
Why don't focus on what it is that's working well with our society and make that blossom and grow versus more hatred and putrid behavior and things that nobody is wanting?
You know, I mean, yeah, if there is sex trafficking going on, well, that's wonderful. Let's get all those police officers to arrest all these people, which I'm hearing they are doing.
And I think that people have to start really, you know, looking at their own hearts and going, what can I do to better a situation versus make it worse?
You know, I mean, that's just so, yeah, that's kind of how I see it, guys.
I know that's a lot.
You guys are probably going, wow, where's this lady coming from?
But, I mean, it's just too much to take in all of this horrid behavior
that we're watching on the daily. And then in reference to the best news source, I keep going
back to X. In fact, my husband also gets all of his news from X. He's on here every single day,
which is wonderful. But just so you know, he doesn't engage with anyone and ever comments on anybody's stuff. He doesn't even, I don't even know why, but anyways, so
you won't find him in a space is what I'm trying to get out. But anyways, I just wanted to share
that. And I just want to say thank you again, Prez, for having the courage to have this kind
of a topic and this discussion. I think more of these discussions should happen.
And, you know, who knows, maybe this will land somewhere where somebody actually can,
you know, make a difference and make this shift or the tipping point that we need for our society to stop warring against each other and end all the hatred.
other and end all the hatred. So that's my TED Talk for the day. Thank you. Thank you, Barbara.
So that's my TED Talk for the day. Thank you.
I actually want to go into this infographic that I made, like, what was it, a while back ago,
on journaling thoughts and critical inquiries and perspectives, internalizing the world in
pursuit of oneness. But before I do, let's go to our co-host, and then I'll go into that,
Let's go to our co-host and then I'll go into that and then we'll tap in with Southern.
and then we'll tap in with Southern. Go ahead, Sheila.
Go ahead, Sheila.
Oh, Perez, thank you.
I just wanted to cooperate with what Barbara was saying about the mainstream media.
In my own experience, I stay away from the mainstream media because it's been a long time ago that I realized that the true enemy of the people is the mainstream media.
And because we've been conditioned to believe that we need leaders, right, to be able to
live our life and to be functional, why not we inspire each other and inspire each other
to realize that we are the leaders that we are
desiring to have in our life. And it goes back to the quote that I posted above, you know,
you have to, what was it again? Change how you see and see how you change. It's the inner world of you reflecting out.
Yeah, so I wanted to say that.
And they tug at you, and they do that purposely, right?
They want to tug at your heart because they know,
but they know you can either respond or react or something.
But that's the thing is stay away from that,
like trash in and trash out everything that you think of and how you think is affecting or creating your reality.
That's another way of seeing it, too.
Yeah, that's all I wanted to say.
Perez, back to you.
Thank you, Sheila.
I appreciate that.
And then Southern, we're going to get to you.
And then I want to say hi to WOW.
And then we'll go to Tamara and then Galactica and then Aura as well. Aura, just let me know,
unless if you got to leave quick, we'll definitely tap in with you on everybody's time. I appreciate
everybody's patience. But so in my infographic, right, I had these different points. I had self
preservation, observation, convenience, intentionality, and introspection
and reflection. And so with the self-preservation piece, I'd said, melanin slash melanated,
quote unquote, not all skin folk are kin folk. Is it acknowledgement of differences? Is it
relativism? Is it necessary division or healthy delineation? Is separation and duality an illusion as it pertains to the human collective?
That's self-preservation. Observation now.
Reserving impending judgment, detaching from the norms and emotional attachments put upon individuals based off social psychology
through the lens of informative and normative social influences, which has to do with info,
competency, meaning that the information that you deem to be getting is competent,
or group competency, which would allude to the group that you're more aligned with is competent,
or the pressure of wanting to conform to that group pushes you to adhere to what they're sharing
with you. So absolutism rooted from taking aside clouds at one's judgment through
detriment. If so, what does a bird's eye POV look like? That's what Barbara was talking about.
How does a bird's eye POV look like? Convenience. Your worth equates to what you often value,
not because of your existence and heart. Is it a bitter truth and pill to swallow?
Is it more formalized and crystallized in this 3D matrix? Do relationships slash connections matter? Who am I to you as who are you to I? Right? And then intentionality. What is your why? To be an amplifier, a unifier, antagonistic, peacemaker, peacekeeper, or do humans, and I want everybody to please pay attention to this,
or do humans thrive off conflict masqueraded as justice, especially if actions mirror the ones
that we despise the most? How can restorative balance be achieved without accountability
and responsibility? And then introspection and reflection. They say it is the thought that
counts. I say it is the cyclical
nature of critical thinking coupled with accepting not being able to make an informed decision or
opinion, kind of piggyback on what Daz was saying, being able to be comfortable saying, I don't know,
right? There's nothing wrong with saying, I don't know. So it is the cyclical nature of critical
critical thinking coupled with accepting, not being able to make an informed decision or opinion,
thinking coupled with accepting not being able to make an informed decision or opinion,
if either operating with limited data sets in pursuit of truth, knowledge, and justice that
counts the most? Can we suspend our beliefs or disbeliefs and be in intentional states of heart
centered neutrality? And what does examining your inner self look like? What actionable steps would
you take afterwards? Is this an ongoing daily practice? Should it be one?
And would it help promote a sound mind of clarity? And maybe one additional point I'll add to that
is not just a sound mind of clarity, but a sound heart of clarity as well. With that being said,
Mr. Dustin, the man with the bars, Southern Gnostic, is in the building.
What are your thoughts on the topic, man?
What's up? And welcome to the space.
What's up, bro?
What's up, bro?
How you doing?
Man, I'm doing pretty good.
You know, right here at the end of the month,
riding on a short struggle bus as we do do but you know what i'm saying we're
gonna make it through the friday when we get the you know when the eagle when the eagle takes a
poop on me here and uh you know i'll be funded for uh for for the next few weeks anyway uh man
i've just been you know sipping from the well the wealth of knowledge that everybody's been sharing here.
I really took a lot from Daz's shares and everything he was explaining about his practice.
Cheers to you, Daz, for getting your practice going.
And, you know, not only healing others, uh you know getting healed yourself obviously because
it has impacted you in such a way that uh that you've been you know you're gladly sharing it
and that uh that means a lot to me to hear that you're having some positive effect in your life
uh let me just say uh i loved everything you were just talking about, Perez.
I remember you sending me that post and asking for my initial ideas about it, man.
Wow, I aligned greatly with many of the concepts and the breakdowns of everything you just said.
and the breakdowns of that everything you just said you know wow it's you know what what i heard
in there is you know it's it's so hard man to know who you know who the real ones are and uh
who's who's out here uh you know who's being authentic with you and things uh like in the
first one you know you speaking of uh all all skin folk and kin folk
you know and i would say a similar thing is the you know i would say you know uh
all my you know uh i can't remember what the saying was it's something about i got i got
family i got blood that i got family that ain't blood and
blood that ain't family you know uh throughout my state and that's that that's kind of a southern
southern way of saying something similar to that man is that uh you know you it's unfortunate you
can't always trust uh you know those closest to you of our relation to be in line, you know, to be in line with you or, or, uh, understand you. And, uh,
and sometimes you have to go outside of, you know, that,
that family unit or whatever to, uh, to find a common ground and an
understanding of yourself, uh, through the who, uh, you know,
who may have, uh, already experienced some of those, some of those things.
So, man, wow, I'm really digging this conversation.
Everybody in here to share, Josh, Dr. Christina,
both of you are always very much on point
and have very powerful things to say
and experiences to share with us and uh i appreciate both of you
sharing as well as well as my barbara who is who has been on the journey on x with me since uh i
can remember you know uh i think some of the first spaces i ever got into uh i remember hanging out
barbara and speaking to her and stuff you know as as Daz, of course, has been a huge part of my journey.
My first co-host, my first mic, to be on the top of the stage, all beautiful things, man.
And I think the question you're asking, how to achieve global unity, I think we do it one person at a time.
We have to
and we do it through the willing suspension of disbelief
and the dropping of all the absolutes
that so many people think that they have
the answers in their absolute way of of explaining
and telling and and you know this is no you know um nobody should be you know nobody has the
absolutes nobody knows for sure you know anything in my experience necessarily, especially now when it comes to the human condition
and how we choose
to express
ourselves.
I want to say that
we're working
towards some global unity.
I shared
Thanksgiving dinner with
a Muslim man who
needed a hug and needed somebody to hang out with just this past Thanksgiving.
So I think that the potential for it is there.
And in my own personal journey, I'm doing it one soul at a time as I can,
soul at a time as I can, you know, uh, be it on here by sharing my, my personal, uh,
struggles and stories and, and triumphs and, and, and love and, uh, and, and, uh, everything
on here was with all of you beautiful souls, or whether it's my neighbors that I take and
play to dinner to, that I give a hug to, that I cry, like cry with me or I cry with them
and, uh, and share some, some uh fellowship and some some human interaction
wow you know both are equally as uh as important in my world so you know that's that that's how I'm
trying to achieve uh some more unity uh globally be it because I don't care where you're from I don't care what god
you worship
and all of that
I care if
you're doing okay
if I can
is there any way I can be of service
if you're not doing okay
if you're not feeling alright
can I serve you in some way that would lift you up
so yeah man I'll land with that right there I'm feeling all right. Can I serve you in some way that would lift you up?
So, yeah, man, I'll land with that right there.
Because this is, you know, hey, I'm just, I'm loving this conversation. And I'm really just being filled here by all of my beautiful friends that are sharing.
And thank you, Pres.
You let everyone hear.
It's an honor to be amongst such such advanced souls don't forget this uh i
read a post recently and i'll land after this is you know the higher you're vibrating the higher
vibrational frequency you're putting out you're basically uh negating all of the low vibing people
and there was this whole scale to it or whatever.
I feel like I'm pretty high on that vibrational scale.
I'm nulling out probably around 10 million
fuddy-duddies
out here in the world. I can imagine each one of us
that are in this space right here, we're probably nullifying
a tremendous percentage of the ignorance, of the foolishness,
of the unascending.
And as we keep on doing this,
we're just going to keep nullifying more of it.
And we keep raising the vibration as a community,
as a world, as a globe,
and even as a flat plane for all you flat earthers out there.
It doesn't matter to me, man. All can be true at the same time because I live in a
multi-dimensional layered existence.
Who knows? Maybe from a fifth dimensional perspective,
you can perceive a third dimensional Earth as a flat plane.
That means both of them can be true at the same time.
I'll end with that right
there just on a little funny note yo southern i'm laughing because i don't know why i feel like
i just have josh's voice ringing in my head just saying yes yes yes acts of servitude man you gotta
be on that and i saw his emojis when you said that too. So I knew like just
intuitively like, yeah, it was just pounding my head. I was just thinking about that. I was just
thinking about that. And you know, going back to what I had said about intentionality, part of
intentionality is the willingness, right? And that's what you said, the willingness to suspend
disbeliefs or beliefs coupled with dropping the absolutes, right? And
perhaps it can happen one person at a time when we're exhibiting those acts of servitude. So,
bro, I just want to say shout out to you for what you did for that person, man. You know,
I think that's a great example of what we can do in the micro and perhaps that can have a ripple
effect towards the macro one person at a time yeah and the higher you're vibrating
you know yeah it may negate the low vibing people and you know i also do think can there be space
for an alternative to that as well as it pertains to achieving global unity so and i know we can't
again i mentioned this early on like not operating from like a savior complex or whatever, but this idea of, okay, you know where you're at.
You know the level of self-awareness that you're exhibiting, which is an ongoing process.
And you can meet people where they're at, or you'd be like, all right, nah, you know, you're just on a different type of wavelength right now.
wavelength right now, but what is it in terms of our action steps and how we are intentionally
being vibrational examples that would help maybe raise them from those lowest states of vibrations
to a higher state, however that looks like for them. So I think it can be in addition to not but,
but in addition to, we can negate the quote unquote low vibing people, but maybe by how we
conduct ourselves, you know, we can be an example of helping them rise up if they choose, again, going back to willingness, if they choose to be
intentional with that process in relation to self, and then now how they can also be in acts of
servitude, even with one person at a time. So Southern, I appreciate your patience being here,
man. Josh, I see your hand. I'm pretty sure you got a response, but I want to tap in with WOW because I've never heard from WOW before and the person has been on stage for a minute,
so I definitely want to at least say hi and hear the thoughts. WOW, welcome to the stage.
And what are your thoughts on this topic or what you've heard so far?
Trying. There we go. Sometimes my button doesn't button. Hello. Hi. I know I'm on a recorded space, but I'm going to share what I believe.
Trying. There we go. Sometimes my button doesn't button.
That unity will come when there's a coalescence of like-minded.
And a lot of spaces are now talking about discernment.
And discernment, I believe, comes with the knowledge, personally, that you receive when you accept Jesus into your life,
you accept that you've been saved, you love yourself, you love the people around you, and you're ready to share yourself with the people around you
in an unrestricted way where I will accept everybody on face value.
I love them. I want to support them. I want to do what I can for them.
I want to model what it is to be a good Christian.
And I will do so until such time as they've decided that I'm not for them.
It could come with betrayal.
It could come with lying.
It could come with sniping,
coming across as the type of person that wants to cause division.
And that is not a like minded person. That is not a person that is willing to be like minded. And oh gosh, I don't know if I'm saying
this right. Discernment is actually knowing what is good, right, and true, what blends with you and your
values. And when you have seen something that does not measure up to your values,
that's when the scales drop, the weights are made, and that's when you either lean in and try to help or you just shake the
dust off your shoes and walk away. America is a land of law and order and we
send our representatives to Congress. We have to let the law and orders do their job.
And the people that want to come to America, you know, they're going to want to come.
Everybody wants to come to America.
But they have to be like-minded.
They have to have the values that we have.
And I don't know.
Just a few thoughts.
I'm, there you go.
No, thank you.
Wow.
It sounds like, you know,
cause we did talk about the acculturation process
and the assimilation process.
And like, yeah, you know, I think it is important to,
you know, so even within that framework, right? There's the minority culture, which is the original culture that a person comes in with, and then the majority culture, which is the culture that they're coming into, the majority culture and the coalescence piece, right, of being around like-minded individuals.
I think that ties to what Southern was saying too, like, you know, recognizing who you are
and like just being around people who are also operating in that state of frequency.
I appreciate you bringing Christianity into it.
I think it's, I don't mind it at all.
I think my intention is to be able to embrace all the different perspectives.
I actually don't think what you said was even borderline controversial.
I think it actually adds to the space if I'm being completely honest myself.
And, you know, as they say, Jesus is what?
The way, the truth, and the life.
And so, yeah, I could see how that could align with the personal
values thing. There was actually an Old Testament professor in my undergrad, because the undergrad
I went to, the school I went to, we actually had to either minor or major in Bible. And like,
when I was done with my program, I'd taken enough, like so many Bible credits that they asked me, dude,
you can declare it as a major if you want to. I was like, oh, really? All right, cool. I mean,
it's not really going to do much for me, but I just for quote unquote status purposes,
I was like, cool. I declared it as a major. But I remember I was talking to my professor about this,
like in relation to predestination and free will and discernment versus wisdom. And he was telling me, Prez,
discernment is when you learn from your own personal mistakes, but wisdom is when you can
learn from the lessons of others, right? And so now you tie the knowledge piece that you were
hinting at while I think it just becomes, I would call it a healthy cocktail mix in terms of either
embracing people where they're
at and also choosing to step away if you need to choose to step away as well. So I appreciate your
patience. You've been hanging out here for a minute as well, and I definitely wanted to tap
in with you. And I hope you can tap into future spaces, not just mine, but you look at the panel
here, their space hosts as well. And by the way, guys, this just reminded me,
my next space, you know what I'm saying? It's going to be a different topic altogether. I do
need to take a break from these series spaces. I will get back to the series spaces because I did
do a voting poll and I know we got some other things, but we're going to be talking about the
ambition pivot. You know what I'm saying? Are your goals status or autonomy related? And I'll be hosting
alongside Mr. Anderson and the one and only AJ Yonota himself. So definitely tap in. I posted
it up there in the purple pill. Guys, if you're a space host or if you got links, you know, Josh,
you got your music, man, feel free to post it down there. Whatever it is, feel free to post it down
there. Like I said, man, if we're going to be practical about this i think it's uh it's important to be supportive of each other and i think that's part of the micro
that would lead to the macro so feel free to share your stuff down there man we really do
got to support each other and uh yeah thank you wow i appreciate you being here let's well thank
you thank you very much for listening sometimes i get out i make notes and I get off on a tangent and then all of a sudden I stop. And it's like, I want to bring more to it, but I guess that's what spaces is
all about is coming back for more. Well, keep coming back for more. And, you know, whoever
you resonate with, I'm not going to tell you, Hey, follow everybody. You know, now, you know,
everybody going back to discernment, you use your own discernment, but
follow the people you resonate with the most. But these people host some great, great spaces
with great, great topics as well. And I think you'd be able to provide a lot of insights too.
So I'm grateful that you're here and you're able to contribute today.
Josh, I saw your hand, but is it cool if we go to the ladies man is it cool you got time okay
cool let's go to tamra and then we'll go to galactica and then we'll go to aura and then
we'll come back to you josh okay tamra welcome to the stage and what are your thoughts so far on the
topic is she speaking? No.
Okay.
Tamara, we can't hear you.
Tamara, you might have to circle back home, girl, and then we'll definitely hear from you, okay?
In the meantime, let's go to Galactica and then Aura, And then if Tamara comes back on stage, we'll definitely get to her.
And then Josh.
Galactica, welcome.
How are you doing today?
And what are your thoughts so far on the topic?
Hello, Perez, Sheila, and everyone in the panel on the space.
This topic is hot, is really good, is mind-blowing.
We have so many things and layers about this global unity. And I love
everything that I heard. I think if I would be, I would give an opinion on the solution
for global unity, it would be education, you know, geopolitical education. And this is in the
context of what's happening right now, right?
To understand the manipulations of the powers,
the governments and stuff,
so we can be at least understanding of what's going on.
And then, you know, like trying to look for outlets
with people that have a good understanding.
Because if we're going to talk about what discernment is,
is the ability to judge well, right?
And I think what's happening right now in the political landscape
is that we're not judging well.
And we are letting our hearts and feelings be involved.
And that's why so many things are happening and dramas and you know it's crazy I heard that you guys are in Minneapolis and it's
just like out of context how the American public is is acting you know i do believe also that we have to understand that we are not only this
um human experience but we have a huge and you know me in my spaces i always talk about energy
and spiritual tools and you know um what it is to be a complete human, not only what you do and your
ego and all, you know, the psychological aspects in your career, but also your essence, right? Like,
what are we doing here in this world? Like, we are a fabric of, you know manifestations and what what do we want to do what do we want to see in 30 years 50
years 100 years what do we want to see for our kids um so i think it's very very important
that the person that we need to change first is ourselves um because we we can, you know, and I had a space yesterday, and one of the questions was, how can I help myself and others?
And unfortunately, we cannot change the others.
We can just kind of like walk in the walk and changing ourselves.
And then whoever sees that, if you're inspired to share,
others are going to see that um if you're inspired to to share others is you know others are going to see that
it is so important because when you talk about energy and spiritual uh tools there is no race
there is no age there is no um borders it is just you as an essence and your spirit. So what are we doing here in the middle of an ocean of fear?
You know, like we are letting the news
pierce our electromagnetic field.
And this piercing feels like fear, sadness, uncertainty.
And we are then victims of, oh oh this is going to happen because somebody
said so on the news or because everybody is you know feeling this way i'm i'm getting in this
whirlpool of negative emotions and i'm not seeing clearly discernment right we're not judging the situation in a in a correct way and then also there is also
you know and i know that this might sound not really popular um the neutrality right
this topic is so really really important because we cannot be neutral.
We can.
It's either we walk knowing that we have a big responsibility on what is going to happen in the future. You know, educating ourselves, learning from people that really, really have it in the geopolitics.
So we know what are the pieces that are moving right now in this country and in, you know, all Americas and in Europe?
So I'm talking about big, big changes in way of thinking, you know, communism, socialism,
all that.
And then also learning that we are humans with a huge, huge ignorance about who we really
are.
So this topic is amazing, Press. It has so many layers.
And I wanted to come in because I do believe that to achieve global unity, we have to start with
yourself, right? With myself, what am I doing? What am I thinking? What am I learning? We cannot be uneducated anymore. You know,
talking about migration, and I think, you know, I'm an immigrant, you know, 25 years in this
wonderful country, I did everything right. I paid thousands of thousands of dollars,
made everything correct. So to see this as an immigrant is very unfair.
And then to see Americans fighting for the illegals in the way that is not correct is unfair.
Now, there's a lot of illegals that have been in this country paying taxes legally.
taxes legally so there is a loophole that people need to learn and then we need strong voices in
So there is a loophole that people need to learn.
the political view to actually clean up right clean up the house um there is so many pieces here um
playing press so it's not only the the psyche it is also the spiritual it is also our energy uh and if i can land in in you know a quick
thing that i actually do for myself is not let any news uh make me feel either frustrated
uh fearful or that we are doomed when i when i'm about to feel that i start investigating what's
going on and i usually find that is a manipulation technique um there is many many channels that talk
about that please don't go to the official you know because you're going to be manipulated um
And then I also found that the citizen journalism, you know, people that you know from other cities and countries, that is going to form a very solid apparatus of discernment. go. The only person you can change is yourself. Don't bite onto fear. Ground every day. Ground
every day. Go grass, you know, barefoot into grass. And I think that's the new paradigm.
You know, going individually, very selfishly, if you want to quote unquote, you know,
very selfishly, if you want to quote unquote, you know, use an adjective for that. But in the end,
if we all do that, we're going to be one in the same level of frequency. And Southern said about
we're forgetting, you know, the low vibration people that have problems and they cannot connect i think um it's not that they're forgotten or anything
it's like we all of us go through those processes every day you know you're never really happy all
the time but what do you do when you know oh i have fear i have you know i'm doubtful i you know
i'm sad you do stuff to to actually go to the next level and then be creative
because when you're sad you cannot always use you gripe the next hit on a song you know the the
pain and sadness doesn't really make your your electromagnetic field shine so that's my only
scent well there were a few thank you so so much, Perez, for this topic.
It's really amazing.
And yeah, those are my two cents.
Yeah, thank you, Galactica.
Appreciate you pulling through, sharing your perspective.
Yeah, it's important, right?
Whatever education looks like, whether it's geopolitical or even outside of that too you know
and sharpening our tools with how we exercise discernment and how we view things and starting
with self i think a lot of people talked about that richard also talked about grounding and the
importance of that and how he's had to tangibly do that based on some of his personal experiences
in the now right and i think it's a reflective thing even for me, right? Like, you
know, Barbara and I talked about the bird's eye point of view thing, but, you know, you can flip
it too, right? Like, can we really look at things from a bird's eye point of view if we are anchored
in this matrix? And even if we're trying to detach from attachments that are not necessarily
serving us, right? Can we actually exercise neutrality,
let alone heart-centered neutrality? Maybe perhaps we can, but if we can, maybe it's not always going
to be at 100%. And so it goes back to what you were saying in relation to, you know, the vibrational
piece as well. Like, yeah, we're not always going to feel aligned or in tune, right? And it's not
just about the emotions, right? Or
like being happy or sad. In fact, I don't know, this might sound controversial, but
I think you can be sad, right? But because of your ongoing level of self-awareness,
that doesn't necessarily mean you're in a lower state of vibration, right? Now, to your point,
Galactica, if you're operating with that
fear-based paradigm that's being influenced by externalities, as Dr. Christina had hinted with
the news and media, and even now with deepfakes, right, as it pertains to AI, I think that's what
is going to, you know, add on to that heaviness and that weight, right? And there's some people
who are, quote-unquote, happy happy or at least from the outside looking in,
you know, they look happy,
but are they really operating
on high vibrational states and whatever,
this time, the third?
I don't know, you know.
I think the human experience
is such a nonlinear experience
that I think it's, you know,
it's not a one size fits all,
but there are some shared commonalities there
that maybe we can tap into as it pertains to the collective.
So, Nagalakta, I appreciate you sharing that.
You've given me some things for myself to reflect upon.
I appreciate you.
Big time.
Yeah, of course.
Tamara, you've been up and down.
Let's go right to you right away.
right away. How are you doing today and what are your thoughts on the topic? Mic check
How are you doing today?
And what are your thoughts on the topic?
Mic check one, two.
one, two. Oh no.
Tamara? I don't think
she can hear us. Tamara, you might have to circle back again.
I'm sorry, but yeah, we can't hear you at all. Let's go to Aura
and then Tamara, hopefully you'll come back up and then we'll go back to Josh as well.
Thank you so much, Prezi and everybody who came up to the mic.
Oh, this is a lot to process.
So I don't have I don't have most of it processed, but I'll I'll be reflective on it and journal about it and kind of let some of it just float out
and what is meant for me will come back to me. But, you know, I really appreciated when Southern
came up. I've appreciated learning from everybody, but I do like when humor and wisdom smashes
together. So I appreciated the nullifying of 10 billion fuddy-duddies.
It also reminded me very much of my mother's energy.
You know, she just, she used to sing the song,
every party needs a pooper, that's why we invited you.
Party pooper, party pooper.
And I just thought of that as you were speaking,
because, you know, to me, it's like we're all doing, we're all at different stages of doing our laundry.
We've been plunked on this earth as a beautiful gift.
We have all this laundry to do.
I can't do your laundry for you.
I could try to do your laundry.
I could try to jump your fence, grab all your laundry and do it but I'd
probably end up resenting you when you didn't even ask me to do your laundry I could stand in your
driveway and scream at you for not having done your laundry and I could get upset every time I
turn on the tv and see everybody throwing their laundry at each other and not doing their laundry, rolling their laundry in mud.
I could get myself so dysregulated and upset about all the laundry people aren't doing or how they're doing it or how I think they ought to be doing it that I don't actually end up.
I end up in a survival mode in a dysregulated state.
And really the best gift I can give with my admit one ticket to this planet
and wherever I head to next after it,
the best gift I can give is to keep myself as regulated as I can when I show up
so that I can, as many people have said in this room,
transmit that higher vibrational frequency. And so for me, unconditional love isn't,
I think part of unity for me, a very big part, and I didn't realize it until listening to everyone,
and I didn't realize it until listening to everyone, is anonymity.
And I don't mean anonymity as in you don't know my name or you don't see my face.
I don't mean that.
But anonymity meaning I don't need all the stuff,
the labels and the stuff that would go on a resume or on my medical chart.
If I'm just really at the human level, then I'm holding space. And by the way, my nervous
system doesn't rank pain. You know, if I'm four years old and my ice cream falls on the ground,
I mean, that's almost got me choked up now. That is horrific. If my balloon flies up into the sky my nervous system ranks that is pain and grief and loss is that look on
its outsides different from me getting my car stolen as an adult yes but I don't believe that
when I'm on the discussion of the when we're having a discussion on the externals I don't
believe we're really helping to hold each other's
pain. And then when I say hold each other's pain, I don't mean hold it like take it in.
I used to be porous and that really was unfun. And I would take in everybody's pain. And then
I had no skills. I had no mature skills. I was very immature. Even as an adult, I was an adult child. So even as an adult, I would be very reactive. And there was a lot of, you know, I'm trying to take this pain and do something with it.
take my pain, aka my dirty laundry, and just throw it out over the fence. Or I'll throw it in your
face. Or I'll throw it out into a space on X. And I'll hope somebody can hear what I really am trying
to say, which is please love me. Please tell me I matter. Please tell me I'm enough. Please tell me
you can hear my pain. Please tell me you know what to do with my pain and the truth is we do need to
help ourselves but when I was at my worst when I was in this highly
dysregulated survival I really was like a wild caged animal I am so grateful for
the few people who had enough recovery and enough experience with regulating their own nervous
system and to me my nervous system is my masterpiece and I feel the same way for everyone
else and that's why being able to transmute all this pain into love is the greatest gift we can
give to our own masterpiece our own nervous system and else's too. But when I was at my worst, how these people, and a lot of them were in their 70s and
80s, and they had the ability to come over to me like a wild horse, kicking and spitting and
spurring, and see the love that I was trying to set free but didn't know how
because it wasn't role modeled for me as a child.
So to me, yeah, I also, I'm Sheila, I'm the same way.
I don't tend to watch the mainstream news.
But to me, it's just different stages of people doing their laundry.
That's all.
I don't need to get upset about it.
I see the hope. I see the attempts.
Like, we're all here on this planet just trying so hard to get the needs met for ourselves, which I think is love.
And I think when people express hate, which I did for a very long time, I'm just expressing life.
Some of my early journal entries, oh my goodness, potty mouth, petty.
It's okay.
It's all okay.
Because I just didn't have the skills to express it as love.
And love is painful.
Love is painful.
So I couldn't even accept love because I was
already feeling so much pain. It was just a very confused young lady who grew up with ancestors
who were very confused. And it is all okay. So today I realize, okay, love was conditional when I was a kid. Belonging had to be negotiated. Safety was external. Regulation came from control, controlling me, controlling you.
who stayed regulated despite the chaos, despite the 500 people throwing their 5 billion, million,
hundred billion people throwing their laundry in the mud or in each other's faces, enough stayed
regulated that I learned that love can be internalized and belonging is self-held. And safety is anchored in the unseen, which to me is never woo-woo.
And regulation is relational.
And so I'm just grateful for that gift.
I heard love in everything everybody said today.
I'm so glad we're here and alive.
And I've literally got my ticket to be alongside you in this time on the planet earth
hurling towards something I don't know out in the universe and I just think that we're doing great
I know it looks crazy and chaotic but that's just love trying to break through and it just
is in an immature state that's all it's gonna get there and I'll pass back to you Prezi
an immature state. That's all. It's going to get there. And I'll pass back to you, Prezi.
Thank you, Aura. I appreciate that. Yeah, I don't know if we're going towards something,
but people are tripping over the three-eye Atlas thing. So maybe things are coming towards us. I
don't know. Who knows, right? I can add a little bit of humor too. I can't match up with Southern, but you know,
yeah. But, uh, the speaking about humor, the different stages of people doing their laundry.
Yeah. I'm stealing that one or I'm stealing that one. I'm keeping that actually role models, role models are crucial. You know, that's very interesting that we didn't really
tap into that, right? Like we're talking about being vibrational examples, but who are the vibrational examples for us that we can look up to?
And so to your point, Ora, it's important to self-regulation, right, and the toolbox or whatever's in the toolbox as it pertains to that, I think that can go a long way, not just with healing, but again, going back to the topic, like the micro impacting and love, right, in relation to needs being met. That just makes me
think too, like, yeah, you know, perhaps like when there's tension, there's conflict, especially when
it comes to ideological thinking, you know, how much of that is a person just trying to intentionally
hurt someone or hurt a group of people, especially groups of people who feel that they're marginalized, or how much of that is like, nah, man, I'm saying this because of my own
value system and I have my own needs, which equate to that value system that they have.
You know what I'm saying?
So I think there's a lot there.
And Sheila, I remember what Echo was saying in the who heals the healer space.
saying in the who heals the healer space, he talked about the importance of the unseen.
He talked about the importance of the unseen.
And so what you were saying, or, you know, safety being anchored in the unseen and it not being woo,
I think that kind of aligns to what the home me echo was saying, too, like the importance of the
unseen and acknowledging the unseen. Right. They say truth, the truth might be stranger than fiction.
So now I think it's important. I appreciate you sharing that. And like just that last reflection, too.
I think it's a great reminder for myself because I am very, very critical myself. I hold myself to higher standards, not from a sometimes it can bleed into perfectionism.
I'm going to be honest. But even from a progression standpoint, like determining what metrics I could use to like really know if I'm doing great.
Right. Sheila had a space on external validation that we did.
And we're talking about that attachment, attachment piece. Right.
Like it's important sometimes to get those affirmations to know that, hey, you're on that right path, you know, based on one's intentionality.
that right path, you know, based on one's intentionality, but they're not clinging
to validations because ultimately it goes back to self and knowing who you are and the things
that you need to improve on. So bravo, Ms. Aura. And I hope you put the Storyteller Sandbox link.
If you haven't yet, feel free to do so down there in the purple pill for people who are not aware
in the space. She hosts great spaces, man. great spaces man you know talk about the inner child
and people revisiting the revisiting the child and uh josh and dr christina sometimes co-hosts
in that space too and it's great man they just storytell and it's just a great space for people
to just come through and hang out so definitely tap in if it's of interest you know what i'm saying
but aura i appreciate you sharing let's go to, is Tamara still here? Tamara, mic check one, two.
I am here.
Yes, yes, we can hear you.
Oh, wow. I'm blown away because it's been a minute since I was trying to step into this space.
I really aligned with a lot of what you said.
You know, I aligned with Dr. Christina know I aligned with Dr. Christina I aligned with Sheila
I aligned with Southern you know and I I think that me wanting to speak in the
space has sort of put my ego down a little bit but you know we're all trying
to inspire others recognize their own strengths we're all trying to inspire others to recognize their own
strengths we're all trying to step into our own potentiality but I really truly feel I think you
said something what is your why you know why did you come here what did you want to create
you know it's all about global learning i i do believe that's the key
but also if we can step into our strength if we can become that which we seek outside of
ourself if we can shine our light or step into the potentiality of self-awareness you know
we create the timeline we want to manifest i I really feel, you know, my ego wanted to step into the space for a minute.
And I was really wanting to shut the doors.
But, you know, we have so much within each one of us.
And I look at, you know, what Dr. Christina said, you know,
we can't trust what we hear or see. But you know, I truly believe that
if we step into our own awareness, if we step into our own potentiality, we create the timeline.
We want to see, you know, that's what I felt when I stepped into Christina's or Christina's
frequency, like she wants to create a timeline.
And I think we all want to create that timeline.
But I think it's most important to be authentic, vulnerable, transparent, you know, sharing different ideologies, sharing a perspective.
You know, whatever is happening in the world, you know, is not a test, but a testament to who we can become.
We're all here as like players in this game.
I see it. Right.
But, you know, what can we create?
And that becomes our testament to who we can become.
And, you know, I don't have all the answers.
I'm an intuitive.
And I'm sitting here listening to everyone speaking.
And I'm inspired by everyone speaking.
But, you know, Christina, you're meant to create something.
And, you know, everyone in this space is meant to create something.
It's not the thought that counts. Sound, heart of clarity, you know, everyone in this space is meant to create something. It's not the thought that counts.
Sound, heart of clarity, you know?
What we can create.
When we have the ability to make the shift into the shift from 3D to 5D frequency,
we become the conduit of change.
So just believing in yourself.
You know, I don't even know if I resonate with anybody,
but, you know, believing in yourself for one moment, because we are here to create change.
Believing in yourself so much that you create the 5D frequency. Anyways, thank you.
Thank you, Tamara. Appreciate that. Stepping into our own awareness can create that timeline. Yeah,
that's interesting.
And maybe it's not just the individual piece.
Maybe the collective stepping into that collective awareness
can also help shift things in the macro, right?
And, you know, perhaps when we come together in spaces such as this,
we share puzzle pieces, right?
And then maybe that leads us towards a pathway of truth.
I don't know if it's objective truth,
but maybe we bridge the
gap a little bit, you know. And I think what you just exercised, and this is just my opinion with
what you shared, you know, I mentioned humility, right? And so ego is in relation to the self. And
so it doesn't have to be a negative thing. But once we take a step back and we listen to each other,
you know, maybe it can help inform our perceptual lens even further and be like, huh, you know, maybe I didn't think about this. And I think that's also a good thing to be able to claim for oneself as well. So I appreciate you being here. And I'm definitely on that grind, man. You know, it doesn't have to be with spaces, but I think the word create and creating, yeah, I think that's
definitely something that I want to tap into. And, you know, people were talking about distractions
as well. You know, I think if you're focused on creating, then you won't get distracted by these
externalities that, you know, might cause a lot of overwhelming feelings as well. So thank you,
Tamara. I appreciate you sharing and being patient and coming up and down when we couldn't hear you. So, okay.
I know it was Josh originally.
And then I know Barbara has a hand up, but Katie hasn't spoken.
So we'll go to Katie and then we'll go to Barbara.
And yeah, we'll keep it going from there.
Go ahead, Josh.
Prez, you know better.
You know I'm going to use it.
Okay.
I was waiting for you to do that a little while
yeah i could have i could have but i was like let me just let josh do it i saw that coming so
i had to give you the alley-oop bro katie welcome i have not spoken to you in a minute how are you
um oh no no no oh sorry no josh why don't you go first? I'm so sorry. Josh, you go first. Hi, Darren. I love your PFP. You look super cool. Yeah. So I'm just going to swear out Hudson and I'll go right after Josh.
He says hello. You say hello. Yeah, that's that's hello. Hi, Hudson.
I missed you, Katie. It's been a little while since I've seen your beautiful face and you're hearing your beautiful voice. Thank you for yielding back. When a woman tells you what to do, you just better listen. So I'm going to take it on.
Aura, I loved the laundry.
I was like totally picturing this.
You like took me on an adventure.
And I'm like, my neighbor's dumping their laundry in my lawn and whatnot.
And then I was pondering what Southern and Prez were talking about a little bit ago.
About Southern mentioned it and Prez reiterated it.
reiterated it, and I'm going to second it, is, you know, on the topic, global unity,
And I'm going to second it.
sometimes it is just one individual at a time. You know, that discernment that we were talking
about, but sometimes it just takes one at a time. Because Josh cannot save, like, global unity,
that sounds so vast. And I'm thinking to myself okay if I can just I wake
up every morning and say to myself who can I connect with today who can I help today just
one person and I do my normal routine in the mornings of just calling people, connecting with people, sending DMs. Who can I connect with today?
And it's going to make me cry.
But taking that one step at a time, I mean, I know Prez, I know Sheila, I know many of
you in this room.
I've taken the initiative, just what can I do today for Southern?
What can I do today for Katie?
What can I do today for Daz?
What can I do today for Galactica?
What can I do for Tamara?
I mean, I just met Tamara.
I'm like thinking to myself going, how can I be of service?
How can I be of service?
Because I'm a military guy.
Because I'm a military guy.
One of my core beliefs is selfless service.
As a Christian, one of my core beliefs is selfless service.
What can I do for you?
What can I do for you?
And I can honestly say the blessing has always been,
I just look out for one person because I can't handle the whole world.
I can't do that.
And then I got people that are returning the blessing to me because they help
hold me up because I have tough days and I need a support group and an army
around me just to help hold Josh up because I'm a lot to handle and I need a lot of support.
Not that I'm looking for it.
It's just that I could use it.
And I've created a group around me.
There are so many people in here that support me.
And I am so thankful.
Thank you, God, for creating those. But the
only reason why I'm blessed by all of you is because I keep in mind and my discernment
of how can I help somebody else? How can I help somebody else? And the thing is that I think is really cool is that I've got a network
of people around me that if I say this person needs help, I know that I got an entire army
around me to help that individual. And it keeps multiplying. It's like throwing a gremlin in the water and it just like multiplies like crazy.
Sorry to use an 80s movie reference, but it's you guys multiply and you help me multiply.
And that to me, I think is the key to creating global unity is that it's just, like Southern said, it just starts one person at a time.
And then it just, it becomes infectious, like positively infectious.
And it creates an entire blanket.
And I think that's the way, in my opinion, is in unity is just look out for the one person and watch what it does.
Because I watched what
it did for me.
I blessed one, two people.
And all of a sudden, I got an entire army around me to help support others.
To me, that's how you create global unity.
I'll land there present.
Thank you, Josh.
I appreciate that, man. And you're a huge giver. You know, I think
most people who are connected with you or even just, you know, from the sidelines, they can
feel that energy. So much kudos to you, man. And, you know, I think the more we give, the more it
does create that ripple effect. Again, if we are intentional and we know our whys, right? Like,
man, you know this
person is giving to me and how can i give to another person as southern said one person at a
time right it starts off there and then maybe over time too we're able to give towards multiple
people as well so josh i appreciate you man being here yo guys this this space, the shares, the emotions, the energy, the heaviness.
I just want to say shout out to everybody, man, that's been in and out, you know, or just been tapping in throughout the whole space.
Because I recognize it is a challenging topic.
And there's a few people they knew.
I'll just be openly blunt here and be public with it.
I was actually debating on undoing this space for a lot of different reasons.
But then I thought about it.
I was like, man, you know, the people wanted me to host this space and it's not about me.
You know, and so if the people want this space to occur, then, you know, I think I've heard
Daz kind of mentioned this before, like when, you know, even like, um, I think it was in
Simone Louise's space, you mentioned like, you know, with the UFO community and like the healing
that you're bringing there, but you won't just do it for the sake of it. You want to feel guided,
right? Even if you know your intentions and your why. And so even when I was processing that share,
I had to think about that too. I'm like, man, you know, I know there's a lot going on, but I, you know, thinking about the people, man, like it's very, very important to me. And
there's all kinds of different spaces out there. So I want us to be able to facilitate these types
of conversations, which I know are not easy. And I know we're all going to be doing a lot of
processing once we get out of here too. But I hope we're able collectively, not just me,
not just Sheila, but everyone in the space, we're able to, you me not just Sheila but everyone in the space we're able to
you know promote some form of balance if not actionable steps towards the topic at hand here
global unity so with that being said let's go to Katie and then we'll go to Barbara and then we'll
go to Daz and then yeah we'll keep it going if yeah go ahead Katie welcome oh thank you for being so patient and Josh what a lovely uh
share and I really felt your your heart and again lovely to see everybody in here and what a lovely
space and again Darren that profile picture has just given me all the feels I'm like thank you
for real life though I'm like, oh, yes, who is that?
With a...
I'm hotting, hotting.
Yeah, hotting.
Yeah, you look super hot.
Well done.
Not that you didn't before, but I'm like, okay, cool.
But I'm just like, oh, okay, you look like a very cool person.
You are a very cool person.
Anyway, before I dig myself way deeper into a hole that I did
not intend to start digging myself into um I would I would be very honored to share my thought process
in terms of global unity and like a bit of a meta perspective because the late Abraham Lincoln once shared a beautiful poem quote which is you can't please
all of the people all of the time just some of the people some of the time or something along
those lines right and I think having a foundational understanding of just that you know for I forget the poet's name um I just think I was Abraham Lincoln in
a past life I'm not even joking but whatever anywho so that's why I remember Abraham Lincoln
saying this um but this is important because it it then ties in with expectation then if we look at the bigger picture here is we are only but in control technically of our own
mini sphere and our energy within our one self okay this is going to make sense in a minute
because i'm talking out loud but you know when you're at school and then you learn about the
solar system and they show you a static one page of like oh and here's a few rings
and this is how they orbit nah the sun is in a constant but prayers i've only just learned this
myself i'm sorry that was funny i had to i'm sorry no but it's true no i was just like i've only just
i not long ago learned this that the sun is a constant flow of motion. And then all of the planets, therefore, yes, are going around the sun, but they too are in this constant flow of motion.
And I was like, wow, maybe I should look at myself as like a planet.
And I'm orbiting this bigger picture that's orbiting another bigger picture that's orbiting another picture.
But we all work in unison and unity and then often you know my dad would say one smile makes two and um you know if we
focus on our own internal energy that will just exude without you having to do anything
yes being open and there for one another is absolutely phenomenal but there are times historically where I took on the absolute
pressures of the world and I ignored myself if that makes sense and you know when you're on an
airplane and you've got to put your your oxygen mask on first and then that's that trickle down
effect basically what I'm trying to say is individually you are enough and when you
are enough with that amazing uh understanding and grounding no one's looking for perfection
but understanding and grounding your vibe attracts your tribe to be frank wow i have said loads of
like i can you can do you need a wee you can last place so you came first place well
done oh well in my eyes you're always first but well done good effort sorry um keep trying my
love okay so um sorry I know I've like thrown out like little bits of the this jigsaw puzzle here
it's so frustrating of what's going
on in the big wide world and it's so disappointing when you come across somebody who you would have
an expectation of just just be a good human man like what's wrong with you like just be a good
human um and they don't have an ability to do so but who are we to judge only god can judge because we don't know what
goes on behind the closed doors of of x y and z so that's why i anchor back down to you as the
individual and if you ground yourself in your own i'm turning around as i say this in your own orbit
then it will have a trickle-down effect when you throw that again i'll land this very soon and i'm
sorry if i sound all over the shop but it there is a method to the madness when you throw a pebble
into the river or some water there are the ripples so be the pebble um and be open and be you and
things will change because it's just evolution and it has to
and when you have people such as yourselves myself that won't stand for anything less
but again we're all orbiting one another and feeding each other our own energy and receiving the good energy etc etc and we feel less alone and isolated in our
orbit um it gives us that further strength and and courage to go forward and making a unified
better place for all i'll land it there because otherwise i can just waffle on about this but i
really mean it from the bottom of my heart no No thank you Katie and I have a quick reflective
question to you because you just sparked a thought. Of course. So one thing I was thinking about in
terms of taking the pressures of the world you know you were in the music industry for a minute
and I know you know there was a lot that happened there and so I wonder in terms of your experiences
in the music industry how did it impact your sense of self in terms of not feeling enough or feeling enough?
And then also coupled with that, how did it impact your relational dynamics in the micro, you know, even as it pertains to being a unifier?
Wow. That is a deep and heavy question, but I'm more than happy to answer it.
In a nutshell, I've got goosebumps, actually.
Before I was known for being on a show in the industry, music's always been my life.
It's been my bones.
Ever since I was a little girl, I'm playing the piano, and it was a bond between my grandfather and I and it's my sacred safe space.
And when that was purchased by somebody where I had no say or control over any of that,
it wasn't just, oh yes, my back catalogue of songs were taken.
My back catalogue of songs were taken.
It was my whole identity and emotional connection to music and why I did it.
Every song I've ever written has been about a true story,
but with the want to help people feel less alone.
And it was taken.
And so I became an absolute vacuous shell of myself,
where there's images where I look back on it now and I'm like
holy cow that's wild but what's crazy though is I remember somebody once telling me before
any of all of that happened um this is when I was living in America and you know you get the
your stove and it has a pilot light that's always on um somebody said something like don't forget your pilot light and it stuck with me so
even though I was just this empty vacant shell of a person my pilot light somewhere deep down was still on and I had to navigate through so much betrayal and distrust and hurt and anguish etc
but doing what I do now and literally taking on I'm laughing I like, I've taken on the responsibility of protecting everyone in the whole wide world. But not selfishly. It's selflessly. I don't do that to prove a point.
I do it because, how do I best explain this?
So from a mental health standpoint and a unifier standpoint and an experience standpoint, I have allowed myself to get through it without carrying that huge heavy
rock in my emotional backpack. So now I can separate the two. I almost, again, look at it
from like a meta perspective and a blessing from God, to be frank. I'm going to be really,
really honest. And I was never religious.
I'm still not religious. I believe in God. I now have a Bible next to my bed and I read it, but I'm also Jewish, but I also welcome all faiths, religions, ethnicities, however anyone
wishes to identify. Like I am so open. My heart is massive um but I follow the end of my nose and
I take now each day as it comes but I found that everything that I'd shared with you prior about
being that grounding force for myself in order to help others really helped me um get to a selfless place now and willing and wanting really to to do this but yeah the industry
in itself is is so dark it's so it's malevolent it is awful and this is why I keep calling these people out and you know I sit here not and
rest on my laurels here but I sit here and I think surely I uh I would have had a defamation
lawsuit approached or sent to me but these idiots know that I know I am so far in with an understanding with evidence
and everything that they're afraid now I'm not using that as weaponary like let them be afraid
let them I'm focused on my good unified orbit and wish to only but bring about the good uh and the uh peace um I hope that answered your
question maybe not but yeah it's even with the people that pretended to be like my best friend
during the time I mean she was never who she said she was it was just the ultimate betrayal and I had to experience severe isolation and questioning
of everyone including my family everything I have never felt so alone
ever but I needed that I I had one of two options I either die or I fight and that is just as bluntly
as that and when my son came along he's the reason behind every breath that I take
and such a blessing I had no other I didn't want to die and give them that satisfaction.
So I chose to fight.
And here I am still fighting and I'll never let anybody down.
Not my younger self, not anyone that's experienced anything,
not somebody that's on the fence, you know,
teetering on a decision to fight themselves, you know,
on a decision to fight themselves, you know,
for something that they're passionate about.
But the industry needs a real big investigation.
So many industries do, though, to be frank.
But I ain't afraid of no ghosts.
Yeah.
Did that answer your question?
I hope it answered your question.
Yeah, you did.
I appreciate that, Katie.
Thank you for sharing and your willingness and your openness
to share with us in this space. You know, yeah, the don't forget your pilot light. I think that's a very, very good one. I'm glad that, you know, someone was able to share that with you. And what you had said just before that, too, that really stuck out to me. Like, it wasn't just the pressures of the world, but like the emotional piece and your identity piece being taken away.
And then now when you're in extreme levels of self-isolation, that is, yeah, that's heavy.
And, you know, if you're a caregiver or a parent, right, I believe that can be a huge anchor, right, in transmuting and alchemizing the pain that one goes through and being able to sit in stillness within that right going through those motions and going back to your why right it sounds like your son
became part of your why in addition to other things to keep on moving forward and you're still doing
it you know what i'm saying and then now you add source god right our beliefs i think yeah i man
it's a lot but i really really do appreciate you sharing and answering.
Do you want to quickly respond before we go to the rest of the hands?
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, first and foremost, thank you so much for asking.
I really, really appreciate it.
And then also, if somebody would have asked me when I was 15 or 16 years old that I would be who I am or where I
am today, I would have spat out my Jack Daniels and Diet Coke because in the UK, the drinking age
is lower than 21. But even though 16, you shouldn't be drinking that anyway but I was a rock star in the making um and I would have
said absolutely not and back in the day I used to have such great anxiety about my future because I
didn't it wasn't set in stone yet and it wasn't until I went through a tremendous amount of
therapy PTSD therapy or um you know counseling a bereavement therapy, the loss of my grandfather and so on and so forth.
And then also I used to go to this place called Mindful Meditation in New York.
It was in Williamsburg on North 7th. It was the best. Oh, my gosh.
And I truly began to allow myself to connect and just be open and when I say connect
I mean like just be still that I turned to when when crap really hit the fan I turned to God and
I looked at the sky and I started to laugh and I said okay I'm listening all right I'll stop
trying to figure it out myself I'm listening and letting go of something that never existed
in the future because we are yes there's so much that we can do etc but it's also very important to be in the present um and letting
go of the anxiety and the fear around it and I would just look to the sky and say okay I'm
listening I'm ready go ahead um that was a really defining moment um where I was able to then take on the brutality that I was yet to face,
because at that point I hadn't reported what happened to me to the police yet or anything.
So by the time that came, I'd written on my mirrors and post-it notes and everywhere,
you have to go through this to get through this and I would
talk to myself in my mirror and I say you are gonna feel awful this is going to be the worst
experience so far in your life but there is a light at the end of the tunnel and you stay focused on
that light at the end of the tunnel so you just absorb like a shock pressure
of all of these things that are going to happen and you get through it because there's only one
way off of the off of the ride which is the other end and that gave me such strength um to keep
going but also to communicate with you all on spaces um um, and really continue to do the work. It's not just a
me thing. It's a wee thing. Like Josh was saying, there's so many people that are so instrumental
to rebuilding my confidence in speaking about these things and my trust in sharing my story
with other people. And, um, like I said, it's not a me thing, it's a we thing.
So thanks for letting me respond to your prayers
and thank you for asking.
I appreciate you.
Well, thank you for sharing and your openness.
And I'm glad this space and, you know,
everybody that's participated were not only able to hold space
for your share, but everyone shares.
But I'm glad that you felt that you could share that. And you know, kind of like what you're alluding to,
the importance of connections, right? And when you're in spaces that are hopefully life-giving,
or you know that you're connected to certain people, then it does enable one to be able to
open up more. And what you were talking about early on too, like with therapy, right? The
importance of seeking healing modalities, right?
It's not a form of weakness.
It's actually a form of strength.
And it doesn't have to be limited to talk therapy as well, but it could be other healing
modalities that help promote grounding and the healing that a person needs to continue
to exhibit.
So thank you, Katie.
My regards to the little man, Hudson.
You know what I'm saying?
He's definitely in first place and he
will continue to be in first place because he has a wonderful nurturer in you as a mama so
I appreciate you being here thank you of course and I mean that I sincerely mean that I'm not
yeah I really really do mean that so I appreciate you being here guys just a quick housekeeping note
I think we're gonna close out within this hour.
So if there are any listeners down there that want to come up, this is going to be last call.
Zayn, I definitely see you.
We'll definitely get to you, bro.
Yeah, you know, I think this hour will be the perfect time to wrap up.
And I actually got class two.
So right after this, I'm going to hop into class.
But I feel great because of what you
guys were able to share and um more importantly i really do appreciate everybody that stayed in
the space and held space for other people's shares as well so i know it was barbara next originally
but you know let's be mindful of the uk folks you know what i'm saying so let's go to daz and then
we'll go to barbara and then i want to hear from zane because zane is a new speaker and then we'll go to richard and then if there aren't
any last speakers man josh you'll be our final speaker i know you don't like being the final
speaker but sorry bruh you're gonna be the final speaker for today unless if other people come up
so hey you better hope other people come up bro Because you're stuck I've decided We have decided collectively
You know what I'm saying?
Daz, hit it, man
Yeah, no, I appreciate that
Thank you, Barbara
For letting me jump ahead
And thank you, Prez
For just being conscientious
With the time
It is getting late here for me and Katie
But I'm not going to lie
I do have probably two more spaces
That I need to jump into
And I can feel Dr. Christina just rolling her eyes.
And Josh, as I say that, I'll probably try to get to bed maybe about one, maybe, you know.
But the reason why I put it on my hand was because, you know, you made a reference to Simone's healing space on Healing the Healers.
And that was an interesting space for me because it was such a
poignant and relevant question to ask because I think sometimes maybe if I use it in the context
of this app um you know there are people that try to do good and they just end up getting attacked
and it's like if they don't know how to take that step back
or have the right people that can keep helping them fill their cup,
then they will just experience burnout and just leave, you know?
And it was so interesting because, you know,
I gave you a little snippet, Prez, when we was messaging yesterday,
but only yesterday as a result of me kind of like trying to help people
in the UFO community.
There were two specific spaces that a lot of people have really kind of
taken note by that I facilitated where it involved one person who had a psychotic break and had really
created so much damage in the community where people just totally turn their backs on him
and i was able to facilitate a space which really allowed him to speak from a place of, well, you know, I'm sorry, I wasn't well, and asking for forgiveness kind of thing.
And the amount of people that actually came up and unblocking and, you know, really a lot of reconciliation happened in that space.
And then there was another space where it was a similar person, but let's say this person is still kind of unwell.
But now they're kind of seeing me as like oh the healer right i'm not putting myself out there as
a healer because i'm dynamic like that's just one aspect of darren but my point is is that since
those spaces it's interesting to observe how people who maybe don't have the emotional intelligence
or the depth i don't know what it is i'm just
like processing they go on the attack and they see it differently and this is what i was saying
to you prez just yesterday in this one morning i got those those those spaces got referred to
for psychotherapy faggot shit by one person then i got attacked by the person that i co-hosted
um telling me to shut the f up and all
of this stuff like wow i literally co-hosted you like it was only a week ago like why you don't
know on me right and then i had another person who's been spreading i only done those spaces for
clout three different people as a result of me doing those spaces. So I'm just trying to explain the toxicity and the pathology
that is within humanity that we all have to deal with. And I know that I'm not the only person
who has to deal with it. It's just an example of you try to do good, you try to help people,
and you're never going to please everybody. There's always going to be someone who's going
to receive it in a way, and then they're going to just pull it out there or project it
onto you and i guess the best thing on this app is just to learn how to not let it get to you
because it all happened in one day i did take a stand and i did open a space and yes josh josh
the the the hulk came out i was telling him on the phone yesterday but that's
that's me do you know i mean like i i won't tolerate when it gets too much i i take a stand
but the point is is that not every healer is able to do that and then and then when they get attacks
like that then what they're just gonna leave and then you're just gonna lose these people who are
actually genuinely trying to help
so i just wanted to put that out there sometimes we have to recognize the people that are trying
to do good and and help them push them forward and support them you know similar to what prez
is trying to do with this space like what he said he's going through so much stuff in his own life
but he was guided to still put on this space so that this conversation could
happen it's about supporting people like that when you're recognizing that they're putting
themselves aside and they're still doing something for the greater good um it's just a shame that
sometimes people get um misunderstood by it ah thank you das i appreciate you um elaborating on that too and uh i think it ties to what katie
was saying early on about expectations as well and it's so you know like the thing is like i
like with the ufo community and stuff i'm not in those spaces i know some of the people and you
know some of the people i know you're connected with as well but it's part of it is because the when i used to go in those spaces like years ago it was just so drama filled and i could
see it even just not trying to judge just in acts of observation i was just like man like
isn't like the experiences from the experiences isn't that supposed to be a form of connectivity
a form of a unifying thing?
But then egos get involved.
And then now to what you were saying, there's the psychopathology of things. When those things kind of clash, it becomes super, super tricky.
And then the other people who are actually trying to do good within those environments.
Yeah, it can be a turnoff.
It can be a deterrent.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, even for myself, too like as i'm um reflecting and whatever
i've been thinking should i just pull back a bit like are these spaces really doing much for people
like i'm always thinking about this but i also know i have to get out of my internal negative
thought process right you know because sometimes what we internalize doesn't have to be true
necessarily but now i just find that fascinating because you'd think ideally
hypothetically speaking in those types of um spaces that maybe you know maybe there'd be more
unifying experiences but again you can't operate with assumptions right and so yeah go ahead das
if you want to quickly respond before i mean it's such a good question and i will try and be quick
but obviously i've been pondering it on it. The more I've integrated
myself in that community, I literally was writing a list, you know, because I'm going to work on this.
So I'm going to share it with you just to answer that question, because you would expect it to be
harmonious. But the thing is, even though I'm an experiencer and there's many other different
experiences there, there's a lot of people who
may disagree with the experiences and the phenomenon first of all that's the first thing
there's also a lot of mentally unstable people due to some of the experiences that's another one
there's also a lot of trolls and counterintelligence that sow confusion and sow discord in that community that's another one
then there's people that um are spreading false narratives that may not be counter intel
but they're just misinterpreting the situations and you know i think the final thing is it's the
social media and it's the ego game and there's a lot of egos that come with, oh, my God, well, I'm an experiencer.
So, you know, I'm better than you.
Like all of those things make a combination of a lot of conflict.
Then when you add in the tribalism, because there's so many different factions and different groups within that community, that's the reason why the community is like that.
No, thank you.
I appreciate that.
Wow.
That's even I'm going to reflect upon that, too. And we talked about tribalism in this space, right? And the dangers of that as well. And I'd be doing my own thing. And that's why I tell people publicly in spaces, I am grateful for the people who show up.
It's not just me being fake or whatever.
I really do mean that because I'm not entitled to people showing up to these spaces.
And I'm not entitled to connections.
In fact, I look at connections, especially as it pertains to the internet, as a bonus.
If I can connect with people, cool, awesome. But I don't want that to be the end or be all. So like narrowing my
focus back to my why has been very helpful. But then like with environments like that,
when there's so many different things in those categories, you just listed that,
yeah, that, that becomes tricky. You know what I'm saying? But I appreciate that. That's
let's go to Katie. I know she has to leave soon. And I know the homegirl, Catherine, was trying to come up.
I don't know if she's still in the space.
But, Catherine, I don't know if you can hear me.
Please feel free to come through, grab a mic, and then we'll be wrapping up soon here with the rest of the hands as well.
And then, Zayn, I definitely see you.
Go ahead, Katie.
Yeah, I'll be really, really quick.
And yes, fam.
And this is the whole, okay, just take all that positivity of like yes fam you know
back at school I was never part of one group I always floated between the groups you know not
because I felt like I had to but that's just me that's my personality that's just who I am like
one minute I was with the sporty kids the next minute I was with the non-sporty kids like whatever and like you're saying prayers and Darren does um is that look even if there are
groups within groups or within groups it goes back to my uh be your own planet um stick or spiel that I shared and that somebody else's actions or reactions does not reflect
on who you are as a person. If you're a good person and you only but have the best intentions
and also yes communities are great but just because people are in communities it doesn't necessarily mean that
people can communicate you know there is a difference and we all come from all different
walks of life all over this big wide world sometimes English isn't the first language
you know we've got different laws in different states different experiences for different things
etc and so the underlying factor goes back to when you are your own planet
in your own mini orbit orbiting around, it's easier said than done though, I must say,
is if people want to think and feel, et cetera, the way that they think and feel, let them,
allow them, that's fine. If it's something that is going to cause somebody significant harm um then flag it
to the relevant people um and also you know ensure that that person themselves are safe
but it is not a reflection on who you are as an individual as a do-gooder and like prez you were
just saying you know you were thinking for a moment there maybe you step back no no no you are doing what you feel is right for you to help others
and bring together this unity of incredible people and um all of the noise in the background
i mean it's it's frustrating but this is coming from somebody that
had an entire country once have an opinion on me, and that was pretty tough. But the thing that got
me through it was I knew who I was. I'm not perfect, but I'm certainly a good human being,
and I would never wish to upset anybody or wish ill on anyone. I hate arguing, even though I'm really good at it, says my mum.
But yeah, so just remember, like, there's nothing wrong with holding your hands up sometimes
and being like, I don't really understand what's going on.
I'm here to help if needs be, but I'm taking a step back.
And you just keep on being you.
Do you know what I mean?
That goes for each and every one of us.
Because as far as I'm aware, we all have very good intentions.
Yes, darling, I'm being shouted out.
The kitchen is closed.
But yes, you all just keep being you.
And I understand it's like high school stuff you know
and I've been there myself but remember it is you you're a good human you are your own planet in
your orbit orbiting around lots of other people and um you know you have the power within you to say
is this something that I can take on or not don't let anybody else
make that choice for you um and you will see that those that stand within by you as a good human
will still be standing and that's the future of unity consistently um anyway thanks for letting
me share that of course katie appreciate that and i
appreciate that feedback as well in relation to self that really does may i just say something
before she leaves prez uh yeah sure go ahead real quick sorry well katie you have the voice of an angel not only an angel but like a solid mom angel and like it would be
my honor if you were the voice of my ai because i don't have that voice because i'm savage and
silly at times but mostly savage because i was raised by gangsters. And so your voice is amazing.
And if you want to talk to me on the DMs about being the voice for cutie AYE,
then that would be really cool.
Wow. I am honored. I am. I got goosey goosey bumps.
Absolutely. I would love to be.
This 26 is the year of yes the year of embracing
opportunities I would love nothing more my love I'm very very honored and thank you
and you sound like Audrey Hepburn you sound like Audrey Hepburn you're just amazing like I feel
like snowflakes in my room oh wow thank you but if you do want me to get a little gangster i i can pull out my uh my gangster
but in a very polite and you know katie way oh wow what was that laugh now see i've gone into
a car no no no um but yes i would i would be more than absolutely happy to do that with you
um so yes let's get together and we can sort it out.
I'm blushing.
Thank you very much.
That laugh sounded a little devilish, Katie.
It did.
It did.
It did.
You know?
It's the yin and the yang.
It's because it's the yin and the yang.
And not being funny here, but real like for real life I have
been there done it lived it seen it got the t-shirt reworked the t-shirt sold the t-shirt
realized that my ancestors were part of the factory that makes those types of t-shirts
and then I'm like oh grandma can I have my late grandfather's tie so when I walk into a meeting it will give goosebumps to those that I'm sitting in front of um yeah that's why it's so funny also like I have a it's so funny you say
gangster as well because look I'm not into gangster I'm like love and light and amazing but then if
you know gangsters did what they had to do um all right cool but i have a picture of the cray twins
they used to babysit my dad when he was a little boy behind me in my office and every news interview
i have had the craze and then my son and no one has ever picked up on it ever so i can be a little gangster if you need me to be
but in a way which is lawful legal to the point respectful assertive but not aggressive yes
all right well you know yeah i guess part of unity is collaboration so hopefully there'll be
more collaborations that will happen not just you know you know, with you two, but, you know, everybody in the space and everybody else as well. However, that looks like, you know what I'm saying? I want to highlight some comments and then we'll go to Barbara and then Zane, I really do appreciate your patience. We'll go right to you and then Richard and then Josh.
There was a comment here by Juan, actually.
And, Josh, you might like this because it goes back to what I was saying about the giving and receiving.
But Juan said, giving and receiving is just as important.
Water is such a good master if we observe.
Think of the rainwater.
It falls on the mountain and reaches the lake.
Then the heat condenses and it reaches the clouds.
Come back in the form of rain
none of the parts mentioned mountain lake clouds appropriated the water they all received it and
just as they received it they gave it unconditionally they were only a means for the
cycle of life this shows us how important it is not to appropriate what we receive
but to be a means for that it reaches someone else. So I thought, you know, that was a
great comment by one, you know, even for me to reflect upon. But Josh, I hope that does something
for you too. And the home girl, Maria, man, I'm not going to read the comment, you know, I want to
honor the other hands, but Maria was giving Dr. Christina her props. There's a bunch of comments
down there. So Dr. Christina, I really do appreciate your contributions because a lot of
people really resonated with your share.
And Maria was like, yeah, I really, really do align with what she was saying.
So just wanted to highlight that.
Appreciate everybody that's contributed.
So let's go to Barbara and then we'll go to Zane and then Richard.
And then if there aren't any.
OK, and then we'll tap in with you.
What do you want me to call you?
Is it Mama Nix Act Just? What's the. What do you want me to call you? Is it Mama Nix? Act Just?
What's the appropriate name you'd want me to call your handle?
Well, you can call me Satoshi's Bride.
Satoshi's Bride?
Or you can call me Mata than most.
Or you can call me Mama of Nix.
Whatever you want, actually.
Just call on me when I'm appropriate hey listen we've been running
for four hours and a half so i'm gonna keep it simple i'm gonna just call you mama nicks
in future spaces hopefully you know once once like you know we get to more get more acquainted
with each other then i'll learn those names you know what i'm saying but okay uh we'll have you
after richard and then Josh.
You're still going to be the final speaker, man. Barbara, hit it.
Oh, hey. Hey, thanks, Prez. This is so perfect because I was able to do some, you know, work in the back channel and finish, you know, connecting with some people.
So that was awesome. But yeah, bummer. I see that Aura is not here in the space.
My hand shot up actually after her share. I really wanted to give her some flowers for
her imagery that she gave me, which was that we're all throwing our dirty laundry in everybody's
faces, which is kind of hilarious in a way. In a cartoon way, I guess we are really doing that.
I mean, we're looking at all the various different nations and, you know, their presidents and
how their government's falling apart and there's wars here and wars that. And I mean, we all know
it. It's all there. I don't have to describe more of what we don't want to see. But in terms of the
topic, what would bring in unity? I grokked a couple of things that I thought was, um, pertinent to
share. Um, and the first one is leveraging shared global challenges as a catalyst. I mean, that's
kind of a little bit of what I was already speaking about how, you know, we are seeing this
globally, um, you know, the civil unrest, the hatred, the divide, the people that are attacking other
humans. You know, they're not addressing really topics so much. They're, you know, saying the
most horrible thing about whoever's in power or whoever's the president or the police department
for doing their jobs or the police department for not doing their jobs. I mean, it's just like,
but, you know, hey, if you were stabbed on a corner or about to get stabbed and there happened to be a cop that stopped
that crime, then all of a sudden the police officer is your hero. So it's just so funny how
people can be so fickle, fickle and fake, but, you know, it is what it is. I guess that's this whole
social deniability of what they say their true values are.
Maybe that's just really what it comes down to is people have to realize, you know, what is really is, you know, I mean, it is pretty bad out there.
And then, of course, number two is promote education, cultural exchange, and empathy building. And I think that would go a long way
if people just pulled their ego aside, because I'm not here to take anything from anybody.
I'm not here trying to say, hey, this is the only way it's going to work. I mean, hello, I'm,
you know, trying to come up with reasons that could help our society unify. I mean, that's, I believe what your title actually
asked everybody to do. So I'm doing my best here. But, you know, people are going to take what I
share and they're going to say what they're going to say and it's all good. It, you know, it just
reflects more of, I guess, they're where they're at and, you know, it is what it is. Number three
is improve economic conditions and reduced inequality. And I you know, it is what it is. Number three is improve economic conditions
and reduced inequality. And I think there's a lot to be said about inequality. I mean,
I am not of white privilege myself, so I know what it's like. I've had racist slurs slurred at me.
I've had all kinds of things slurred at me. I mean, just with X alone, you know?
So, I mean, it, it's, it, and I'm sure I'm not trying to lessen or devalue anybody else's
situation because that again is not my motive.
What I'm trying to say is we've all had crappy things happen to us and it's not fun.
I, that's not what I wish on anybody. I wouldn't
want my experience to be anyone else's experience. You know, I came to X for some, you know,
serious reasons. And that's why I stayed, even though despite the fact that I went through
the scourge of whatever I went through, you through. I'm not going to add any more light
to that, but it is just what it is. And that's what I think our culture is now seeing in real
time. Okay. And then number four is encourage positive mindsets and grassroots community
building, which is kind of what you're doing. Well, actually, Prez and I are,
you know, both trying to work towards that, which I love all of your space topics, Prez. I can see
what's slowly happening and unfolding, and it's beautiful. And I think that the more of us that
have these type of spaces about awareness, about how we can find resolutions rather than sitting in a
bitch fest.
You know, I mean, that's the easiest thing we could all do is just sit around and let's
just complain 24-7, complain, complain, complain.
People get addicted to that and it's toxic.
There's nothing that's going to grow out of that but more negativity.
So, I mean, anyways, I just want to give you kudos for, you know, at least seeing that and trying to make efforts towards building community, towards focusing on unity versus, you know, the negativity part.
And, of course, number five is harness technology and leadership for inclusive progress. I think that's so important. You know, harnessing technology and leadership for inclusivity, you know, the bottom of the barrel or that everybody is looking down on them or judging them in some, you know, horrible way.
That's not going to improve anybody's condition.
It's certainly not going to improve mine.
I'm not going to want to hang out in spaces where all they're doing 24-7 is a bitch fest.
that are doing 24-7 is a bitch fest.
That's why I avoid those spaces.
That's why I'm gravitated towards people like Prez and Sheila,
you know, Josh and Christina.
I mean, they're both, my gosh, they're in all of the best spaces.
You know, Jane, of course, man, she's now, you know,
taken her career from being a retired, 30-year retired nurse.
I have so much mass respect for that woman.
And now she's recreating
a whole new career trajectory towards AI. I mean, hello? That's just so incredible. I have
mass respect for people that can change their situation and better themselves through education
and knowledge, which I think
is what X offers. I think X offers lots of different things. I've heard there's some
kind of naughty places, I guess, in X too. I'm not aware of any of those. I'm not going to spend
any time in those. So I get everybody gets to choose what they want. And I guess through their actions, it's just like what they say in the
Bible, you'll know them by their fruits. If that's all they want to produce is negativity and hatred
and separation, you know, those are the spaces they're going to gravitate towards. Those are the
conversations they're going to have, right? And that's not at all what Prez or Simone,
Simone was in here earlier. I absolutely love her too. She's also, and we all know she's incredible
and offers such good healing spaces because I think that's really what our society in this
world needs is more healing. I wanted to say to Aura, and I will, and I'm saying this now
because I intended on telling her this, and I'll tell her, is that I just wish we could take Aura's
love that she shared with us, and there was a way we could wrap that love blanket around planet
earth to heal people and correct their mindsets.
I mean, it's like this just fountain of hatred that I hear and feel.
It's something you can feel, guys.
You know, whatever's in their heart is going to come right out of their mouth.
You're going to feel it in their actions. You're going to see how they move and how they speak about stuff.
I'm sorry.
That's just, that's not going to help anything grow.
It's destructive.
And I don't know how else to shine a light on what it is most people are actually engaging
And, you know, part of me wonders if that's really the problem here is we're all on the
down low, me included, you know, because I,
I mean, I will also, when I drive by a car accident, try and slow down and figure it,
you know, whoa, what happened here? You know, look at the car accident, right? I guess, you know,
we're all, there's a little bit of that in all of us. But I'm just wondering if, you know,
the real problem is, is a lot of people are actually addicted to that
chaos and that drama. And it's a one track record with a giant groove or a gash stuck in it. And
it's just on replay 24 seven. And I think that's what I see with the mainstream media. There is no
growth that's happening there. So I don't know what the catalyst is going to be guys. I think
that if each one of us went our separate ways and tried to be 1% better than we were yesterday and maybe tried to share some of these concepts on how we can achieve global unity, we'd probably have a better shot of actually attaining that versus only focusing on the negativity or the tea or the drama or, oh, this person or that person and the
gossip. I mean, you know, and that's something that happens even in churches. I mean, I was
raised in the church. You know how much gossip I heard about other people from people of the church?
And it's like, whoa, it clearly says in the Bible, you're not supposed to do that, yet you're still doing that.
And people love it.
I don't understand that. You know, as a young child, I would sit in recess by myself
looking at people as they were lying to each other and go,
but that's a lie, you know?
And I kind of feel like as an adult,
nothing's really changed other than now it's on the big screen.
Now we get to see, you know,
all of our politicians
that are making these sideways deals with Somalia
and then opening up these daycares
with billions of our dollars.
I mean, all these things are happening.
It's actually just a pure representation
of that core damaged part of the
human psyche. And that is what I wish would change. And maybe the only catalyst that can actually make
that stop is if we could figure out telepathy. Because trust me, I think that if everybody
thought, hey, I wouldn't think that about my brother or sister, we wouldn't think those thoughts because we'd know that that person could also, you know, read or hear our thoughts.
So, I don't know.
That's just my thought, guys.
I'm going to throw crazy stuff out there just because I'm always trying to think of solutions to things that I see.
I certainly didn't want to bring down your space press, but it's just so interesting to see how this plays out in the real world.
How we can go about just trying to offer a golden apple or something to society.
Hey, can we change this?
Can we go in the right direction instead of staying on this path of destruction? Because
that's what I think we're doing. It's just at some point, there's going to be some crazy person
that decides they're going to push the red button and nuke a country. And that is going to be
horrible for everybody, everyone involved. We're not going to be able to talk on our phones.
We're not going to, you know, our skin's going to fall off. I mean, this is horrible,
horrible situation. And my hope and my prayer is that we don't end up there. So anyways,
thank you again for the space. I love your topics. They're always thought provoking and
so full of honesty and integrity. And I really appreciate that, Prez. Thank you.
Thank you, Barbara. I appreciate that. Feel free you thank you Barbara I appreciate that feel free to
post the grok
points that you put down there in the purple pill
and then yeah
okay guys we will go to
Zane because he's been waiting patiently of course
we'll go to Sheila first and then
Josh you got lucky bro
you got super lucky man
you know I mean you're lucky the ladies
came up here so I don't know maybe unless if you yield the lucky man you know i mean you're lucky the ladies could came up here so i don't
know maybe unless if you yield the mic again you know you could yeah he might lead me yeah he might
he might so i don't know depending on how things go we'll definitely go to you auntie jane afterwards
and i see miss sanita sanita and we got richard as well but um yeah she'll go ahead and then we'll
go to zane yeah i just sorry i didn't want to break up the order, but I just wanted to provide
Barbara some consolation here.
Remember, where energy goes, where focus goes, energy grows.
And if you believe that everything in this realm is matter, has consciousness.
Every matter has consciousness.
We all know they're physically happening in the mental.
So where your focus goes, your energy will grow.
And so don't, yeah, don't try to be careful with where you, you know, focus your energy, your thoughts.
That's what I wanted to, yeah, because I see that you, I get, focus your energy, your thoughts. Um, that's what I wanted to,
yeah. Cause I see that you, I get like that too, Barbara, where I get overwhelmed and then I get
lost in my thoughts, but I have to remind myself that very thing that I actually adopted from,
uh, known down there. Um, and it didn't mean much to me until I started realizing that I am watching my
thoughts and I'm watching my habitual patterns of thoughts. Yeah. So if that helps, yeah.
Oh, it does. Thank you, sweetheart. Sheila, you always have something positive and kind to say.
You've always been that way from the beginning. You have not changed at all. And I really appreciate your authenticity. Also, Prez, I just wanted you to know I did post that Grok question and answer
in the Purple Pill. I thought those points were so good. And I'm just hoping there's something we
can do as a group, you know, to make that happen. So anyways, I'm sorry, I get really passionate.
So anyways, thank you again.
Yeah, no worries. Thank you. Okay, let's go to Zane. Thank you, man. I've been waiting
patiently. Welcome, Zane.
No, it was my pleasure, and thank you for having me up here. I like to consider myself an observer and listening to everyone speak here today was
definitely an eye-opening moment and I was able to resonate with so many of you. You know,
everyone had something to say that helped me to connect even further and, you know,
just stumbling upon the space, I consider myself new to X, and I'm still kind of searching my way through different communities, understanding how people move, or different systems, should I say.
But I did want to share exactly kind of what I believe, and I think it was what Sheila was kind of just mentioning.
For me, it's understanding that there's a greater source of connection.
I think we're referring to it to an extent as a higher power
or a shared energy, which intertwines us all.
For me, it's important to understand that concept
because when it comes to unifying at a global level,
it's hard to tell people, anyone, how to think, feel,
or even what to believe.
And really where it comes from
is probably awareness of the self,
which is something that everyone, I think, touched on
at one point or another, is self-reflection
and learning to become aware of their surroundings,
creating a sense of discernment. And discernment matters because it helps separate the noise.
I think another observation I made was that matrix. I consider going to work as a form of
that matrix and coming out of work today and hearing this what a blessing it was because again it just helps me escape and reconnect with understanding what that higher power
is and that's really coming from all of you and that's where i'm probably just going to say what
i believe in terms of what's going to help grow that global unity which which is that it forces, it emerges naturally.
And that's going to be a reflection of you in each and every single one of us and how we model
that behavior, our own discernment with others. I think it's a crucial point. And, you know,
it's spaces like this where people get to express and continue to grow. And I think someone else previously mentioned just one person at a time.
You know, not everyone's going to catch on right away.
But continuing those methods, continuing that self-awareness, continuing to reflect and to transmit that energy is vital.
So thank you again for allowing me to share.
Of course, Z thank you. I really do sincerely appreciate your patience. And yeah,
that self-reflective piece is crucial, right? And we learn from each other, you know, like
Sister Ora talked about like the importance of having role models, right? As being even in that
state of observation, like even with you being an observer so yeah i think it's important man like just being in that reflective state and uh you know
tapping with you know the people you resonate with in this space you know what i mean definitely tap
into the spaces because they go deep as well so and i think you'll be able to bring your own
insights that contributes to the puzzle piece as well okay but i appreciate you being here okay let's go
to should we tap oh richard was here for a minute richard what you're trying to do man
should we yield to the ladies or you want to i'll keep it short okay awesome as an investigative
detective in a white hat in a digital world uh i never speak of things unless I see evidence of them
that I've tracked down and found and seen on my own part to know that it's
real that's why I'm here and Katie we have an energy star program for our
appliances where they are doing away with all the pilot lights and they're all turning into snap, snap, snap, snap, snap, snappers.
Richard, you crack me up.
It's a perfect segue to you.
You got it.
Oh, friends. Happy New new year by the way i haven't
even seen you since the change of the year so happy new years to you and i hope your new year
is off yeah thank you happy new year happy birthday yeah shout out to the shout out to
the aquarius girls yeah there's a lot of Aquariuses.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And me.
I didn't know Dr. Christina. And Katie was on the 24th.
Yes, amen.
Katie was the 24th.
I was the 26th.
My lady, I just got home from work.
That's why I couldn't take a mic.
I take care of a lady with dementia.
And she had her birthday on the 27th.
So there's just been a lot of birthdays.
And I am, you know, one thing I think of when I think of global unity is,
first of all, we're a lot more alike than we are different.
That's the big secret.
You know, so we seek to understand rather than to be understood, because especially when it comes to spaces here and stuff like that, I seek to understand because everybody who spoke today came from a good place, and they have a story to tell, and they're telling their story. And it may seem maybe, you know, sometimes things don't seem pertinent to us or, you know, we think, oh, how silly or something like that.
But, you know, something I know that I can get upset over a lot of silly things on this app.
And I just tell myself that, Gene, come on, what are you doing?
Let's put this into perspective. But my
whole point is that this is this little tiny macusium society we have here, social experiment,
maybe we call it. And if you look at the little bit of quarrels we have here, and then you take it to the global context, you say, yeah, well, if we can't get
along, how do we expect the world to get along, you know? So, mankind, it's, you know, and I think,
who knows, there's so many layers to global unity, you know? we have economic unity. We have unity for resources.
We have unity for education.
We have, you know, there's so many broken pieces spread out all over.
But I really, I really truly believe that we are the generation,
and the generation's coming up underneath me and everybody in here,
Generation Z, Generation Beta, Alpha, anybody, everybody. You know what? I think we are the
generation. That's all of us, all of us who are alive and adulthood, we're the generation that's going to change the world.
Because as much as we talk, there's always a space on world peace or how can we find humanity?
What are we going to do for humanity?
And we talk about these things all the time.
So I really, you know, we are the age of awareness.
Even though it's the age of confusion, we're in the age of awareness.
We're aware of, wow, because the world has gotten so small because of social media.
We get to be in spaces with people from all over the world.
So we're hearing about things that we never even knew existed.
Plus, people are more open to talk
about mental health problems, whereas once you couldn't talk about those things, you just would
be shunned if you talked about that. So, we can talk, you know, I go into spaces where we talk
about all kinds of things, and it's so much beautiful.
It's beautiful to me because I think that because of the energy that we put out in positive spaces
and the positive thinking is an energy that's good.
I really do believe that we're going to change the world.
I don't believe anybody's going to press any buttons or anything like that.
Everything's going to be fine.
And things are going to work out.
I know it is because, you know what, think of intelligence.
Intelligence is intelligence, and it doesn't want to fight.
Intelligent people want to get along. They want to make things happen. So then we have to look at the fact that, yeah, do we have governments that are trying to divide us and put us into categories and things like that? unfortunately, we've got to get past that. But what I hear in spaces is a lot of the people that I'm hearing from are already past that. We're already saying, why should we be so angry with this country and that country? And what is the deal with all of this? We all need to start doing something, you know, and I guess the saying says, let it begin with me.
So if I can do my small part in being kind and spreading kindness and joy to the world,
joy to the world, all the good, never mind, Jeremiah was a bullfrog, was a good friend of mine.
never mind, Jeremiah was a bullfrog, was a good friend of mine. But anyway, you know, it's like,
we're going to make it. Human beings are resilient. And again, we're more alike than we are
different. Even those dictators are more alike than they are different. And I don't think there's any one of them that really
wants anything really bad to happen, because I just don't believe there's anybody that evil out
there. But, you know, the people have different beliefs about stuff like that. And that's the
other thing. We've got to get past the cultural beliefs, the religious beliefs. I mean, people
like to quibble and quarrel over some of the
most ridiculous things, and it's like, come on, you know, you want to believe God this way,
believe him this way. You want to believe God that way, believe God that way. You don't have
to believe God in the way that everybody, you know, oh, no, you're not a Christian, you're not
a good person, you know, all that kind of stuff. I don't buy into any of
that. I buy into the fact that everybody was born into this world with love in their heart,
and maybe life did something to them, and they had some really bad experiences,
and then they were taught the wrong things and stuff like that.
So there's so much, so many layers to trying to find unity. And I don't know, the world's been
warring since the time of man, Abel and Cain, or, you know, it seems to me that I'm just not going to give up hope.
I'm going to say that maybe we won't have utopia, but maybe we can tone it down and start taking care of the needs of the people. food, minerals, farmland, all those kind of things. When that stuff starts getting kind of tight
and people start, they're cold because they don't have any wood to burn in their fireplace or
something like that. Yeah, people start getting kind of angry. And that's normal. You're going
to get angry when you don't have what you need to get by. You know, Maslow's hierarchy of needs, if that base level isn't cared for and met, you can't get there.
So I would surely love to see the world be able to rise up.
And perhaps maybe through AI, we may find a better world.
I know I'm hopeful that things are going to change. I really,
I think we just have to revamp everything. And it's a big revamping that needs to come,
not a little one. Everything's got to change right on down to our financial system. Everything has
to change. But we have to hopefully, these people in power can keep their egos in check.
And, you know, sometimes, but the biggest, biggest psyop they ever played on us was trying to tell us
that there's more of them than there are of us, but just realize that there's more of us than there
is of them. And so we can change the world. We don't have to do those things and
we don't have to think that way. We can be independent thinkers. So I just pray that we do
someday have global unity and maybe that day may be a long ways away, but we can start right here on X. And I think we do by having these little fireside chats.
And, you know, Prez invited us into his living room. He's got the fireplace going,
and we're all sitting around the coffee table, and we're talking about things that matter,
and talking kind about it. Nobody said anything mean to anybody in this
space. It's been a beautiful conversation. I've enjoyed listening. I've been listening for a few
hours now, and so many wonderful things have been said. So if there's that many wonderful people in
this space, then I think the world has, I think there's hope. So Prez, I thank you so much.
You're a wonderful person. And I just so I was so excited to see that you were having a space
because I missed you. Oh, thank you, Auntie Jane. I missed you too. And I hope you enjoyed your
birthday. I hope you felt celebrated.
And yeah, a lot of great points, you know, the age of awareness, right? And perhaps when it comes to unity, it's not about building a utopia, right? And I think that ties into being fully integrated
and anchored in this matrix and recognizing like, hey man, like a lot of shit is going to hit the
fan, but maybe taking care of the needs of others, right? And I also liked what
you said in terms of even breaking down the word unity and the different aspects that comes with it
in relation to resources, right? There's the economic unity, there's all kinds of things that
goes with that as well. So I really do appreciate you. And, you know, one of the things that was
related in this space was in relation to self, right? And so you mentioning the master's hierarchy of needs, perhaps the self-actualization point is the spiritual
component, right? Like once we work on ourselves, then that can have a ripple effect towards others
too. So always great to have you. I'm glad that you're hosting as well. You know what I'm saying?
Christian, I see you down there, bro, but I got to go to class. You know what I'm saying? So we're
going to machine gun through these hands and then we'll close out but Christian feel free to post
your thoughts down there in the purple pill honestly if I have more time bro I definitely
would have you up here you know I mean I love keeping the space going if people want to speak
but unfortunately I have to go soon so yeah but feel free to interact with us down there in the
purple pill but if not definitely tap into future spaces, of course, for sure, for sure.
With that being said, again, I want to highlight the listeners down there that are here and the ones that have been in and out.
We got Maria.
Maria, you know the drill.
If you got any links, post your stuff down there.
We got Jackie Sue.
We got Mr. Known, Mr. Educated.
We got Purple K. We got the homie Spiritual, Peter, Angel, Jennifer, Ron, Archie,
Jake G, Justin, and Tala's in the space. Tala, I know you do a lot of different things online and
offline. So if you'd like, again, no obligation, feel free to post your links down there. If people
want to tap in, definitely tap in, man, because she definitely has a lot of great stuff to offer
to humanity and to the people if they want to resonate with it. So definitely want to give
you your flowers. With that being said, Catherine was trying to get up here for a minute, up and
down. We're trying to figure out the logistics. So I'm glad that she's here. You know what I mean?
But before we go to Catherine, because I know you're all on UK time, let's go to Katie. Let's
get it. I'm pretty sure these are going to be your final thoughts. And then we'll go to Catherine, because I know you're all on UK time. Let's go to Katie. Let's get it. I'm pretty sure these are going to be your final thoughts.
And then we'll go to you, Catherine.
And I definitely want to tap in with Miss Anita afterwards.
And then, yeah.
And then Josh, you already know.
He's the closer.
No, thank you.
I just couldn't remove myself from this space because I have just loved everybody's share and the energy in the space.
Just period. And Jane, God bless you. the space because I have just loved everybody's share and the energy in the space just period and
Jane god bless you I have watched you bloom for so long now and I really mean this I'm so proud
of you in so many ways and I adore you and you know I really resonated with what you were saying
and I also just wanted to share with everyone on the off the back of what Jane and Prez were just saying now for those that don't
know and it makes me laugh and I shouldn't laugh but it does make me laugh because sometimes I
don't know who I think that I am but um I'm now in the political sphere in uh the UK because I refused. I know. I know. Because I refuse to allow for this systemic
rubbish cycle to keep happening. So I was very, very, very much involved in a new political party's
policies. And I was a disruptor like I was back in my heydays at the back of the class being like, excuse me.
Nope, that's not going to stand. That's not going to stand.
And you can't treat people like X, Y and Z, so on and so forth, because I'm all for people's fundamental human rights, period.
And like I said, I am fearless with it, but respectful.
And then even today, see, this is the thing.
You can't predict what happens tomorrow.
You can only but be you.
And then I had another political party trying what they call headhunt me.
And so I was like, oh, I'm very honoured.
Not just because I'm any good.
Maybe I am.
I don't know. But I'm just, I believe that the people's voices,
us as we the people, should not just be heard, but actually be acted upon. And so it's never
too late. I studied law during lockdown. I turned 40 a few days ago. I'm a single parent
to my seven-year-old autistic son, is the absolute love of my life my rock star but
with all of that being said there were a thousand excuses not to do it you know but I thought sod
it why not I'm putting myself out there and so with my law degree um how I got into law school
I don't know because I left school at 16 but they saw something within me um which is amazing I'm now studying for the New York State Bar which is unbelievable because I
have dual citizenship but if you really are that passionate be fearless because there's nothing
to lose only but everything to gain even if that is further knowledge and understanding that you can then
relay back to us as a community, group of people, et cetera. Um, but put yourself out there and when
you do, it is fascinating, fascinating, but I am, you know, each and every one of us has the ability to make change in whatever capacity one is comfortable with, whether it's speaking or standing for election, whatever which way.
But if I can do it, if Katie Waisel can do it, you can do it and just get involved.
Waisel can do it you can do it and just get involved um yeah so I just didn't know if you
guys knew that but it was just bizarre that I got uh contacted from a very reputable political party
today and I was like why are you contacting me you know I wasn't like oh yay no I was like what do
you want um because I'm it's enough with the fluff anyway I just thought
I'd share that I want to inspire you all if you want to be an astronaut tomorrow go be an astronaut
life is short in this lifetime and uh you absolutely have the power within you to do and
be whatever however you wish and Prez I'm so proud of you with this whole,
you're going to class now and all.
I can't wait to hear more,
but I know that your space is soon coming to a close.
But thanks for letting me share that.
And if anyone's got any points
that you want me to shout at people
in positions of power about,
then let me know.
Just give me the list and I'll i will do that yes thank you
hey prez i'm sorry to interrupt and be inappropriate katie before you take off
because i know it's late your time make sure you check your dms i sent you something really special
make sure you check your dms oh i will and thank you
now no worries josh that was relevant man was important. So no worries at all.
Katie, thank you. I appreciate your contributions to the space. And, you know, it reminds me of even just like with Auntie Jane as well.
Like she switched her career path. Right. And look at what she's doing as well.
So I appreciate you sharing that. And I remember in it was a space I did, which was a powerful space.
Sheila was there for it.
I had the homies Southern and Danny, and we're talking about truth and exploring your, what was it?
I forgot the actual title, but like exploring your North compass or whatever it was.
But I remember Katie, man, you were talking about the distinctions between fact and truth and how you had learned that through your law background.
So now, yeah, I really do appreciate you bringing those insights.
And I know with you going into that space, you're going to be able to help a lot of people.
And I think that is a unifying process in itself.
So I want to give you your flowers in that regard as well.
And that's inspirational even for me to keep on going.
So thank you. Thank
you so much. Let's go to Catherine because she's been waiting for a minute. And then I want to tap
in with Sanita. And then Christian, if you got like a quick, quick share, you know what I'm saying?
Because I know you really wanted to come up. And then Josh will be our final speaker unless if
people got like closing thoughts. Sheila will also have closing thoughts as well if she would like.
And then, yeah, we'll close the space. And forgot to shout out maybe i did already but shout out to the big bro israel he's been holding space the whole time israel i
don't know if you got any spaces coming up but feel free to post your links as well down there
thank you man you're always welcome to grab a mic bro even if it's just to say hi okay okay Okay. Catherine, welcome, welcome, welcome. Yay! I had to update my X app.
Yeah, I'm in the UK like Katie, and it's great to know that Katie's going for the political side,
because by God, we do need it, we really do.
I've had a major break from X spaces.
break from x spaces um i think i think you know i think we've all gone through this this process
of the loop and and the it how it affects your vibration or your energy field and um i think
today i came onto x and saw your space and i just intuitively i just thought i've got to listen
but obviously i i my space the the update thing i had to do that but it's been I've got to say an
absolutely amazing space to come back into after quite a long break and it has done me the world
of good to actually have a break um you know because I think when you're when you're sort of
um you know like so many of us we came into this this um matrix to help with the awakening
and i think after many many years um you know you you there's a point where you have to sort of go
and do that really go within deeply and do the inner work and i've been on that mission and getting
back into creativity and I've missed
quite a few people obviously because there's a few people in here that I can recognize now
that are doing the most amazing work and it's been an absolute journey as we all know
and we are getting to that stage now where yes yes, unity, it is about, you know, we've been so programmed and controlled as a human species that we've really, you know, had to go into every aspect of why we're here where we are now.
why we're here where we are now and go through some very very dark truths um to also navigate
truth from lie you know and i think the most important thing is to remember that we're all one
and during my time away i've gone into a lot of self-reflection i don't know if you do that um probably all of us do um there's some amazing
amazing um conversation tonight that i've heard because obviously it's the evening here um but i
have to say Perez this space has been bloody fantastic it's been awesome um so much light and the way you sort of navigate and and you know people holding space to share
the depth of our souls because we're all beautiful souls and that's where the unity comes in
is when we all switch off from the control and and the the shit show that we were you know that's
that you see on social media.
And we actually have spaces like this where you actually open your heart portal
and actually talk your truth in such a way that you let go of that ego.
You know, I think that's when, and it is going to be happening that, you know,
I can see that, but I have to tell you I don't go on
social media very often because I realized that it was affecting me so much you know because you've
got so many different energy fields to deal with and I know that you protect that energy you have
to do that especially if you hold imagine imagine when you're holding space as well you've got those
of light and those that come in that are actually going through the process,
like the washing machine.
You know, somebody talked about doing the laundry
and sorting the laundry out earlier on.
That was a good analogy to what the human collective
has been going through for quite a number of years.
I haven't celebrated the new year yet
because that's april the first
the joke was on us they really did do a real um honest in their big number on us as a human race
um but yeah i'm excited to get back into listening to spaces but only spaces that I feel resonate with the next phase you know rather than going through that continual
loop of information which is holding the human race in a box but yeah it's been absolutely
awesome and you know really awesome to listen and to see some familiar faces again because I have
missed you all and I can see Perplex there.
I remember when I first started in 23 coming on to Spaces, Perplex with Sign Space was one of the first spaces I went into.
I've not been on Israel Spaces for ages.
I'd love to go back on there.
You know, he's an amazing, but he's just fantastic.
So, yeah. and also darren i mean he's done so you know last time i was listening spaces he was doing the most amazing work with healing
and also looking at the you know the ufo side of things you know the um things that people call
woo woo which um i don't it's not woo, but I suppose it depends on what you resonate with.
But you have an amazing day, Prez, and everybody have a brilliant week.
I'm going to get off now and get into listener mode.
Just great to be back on.
I'm going to go into spaces that have this kind, because this is the next phase now.
You know, we've done with
all that we've gone through the darkness it's time to start to think about um how we're going
to reconstruct everything and also you know this isn't our true reality you know but anyway shush
now take care everybody lots of love thank you Catherine I appreciate you stopping by and your
voice frequency was definitely definitely much missed you know what I'm saying and uh purple
cape put down there in the purple pill that the fiscal year started in April 1st so wow you know
when we talk about inversion and things and systems like yeah that's very very interesting
to consider we talked about um the importance of being able to create as well and so i'm glad that you want to tap into
the creative creativity bag you know what i'm saying however that looks like for you and um
you're right the homie the big bro is definitely hosts some of the best spaces out here man he's a
phenomenal host and um you you know, I definitely,
I get inspired by people like him and everybody in the space. And honestly, it's the people,
you know, we talked about the people to the people. And so I'm glad that I was able to hold space. But, you know, I just think I'm just a facilitator, you know, but the likes of Sheila,
Josh, Dr. Christina, everybody that's been in here in and out, man, like you guys contributed
to this space, not just with your shares, by your presence. So definitely, definitely affirm yourselves in that way if you haven't.
You know what I'm saying? And I'm going to support you all however that looks like, okay?
But Catherine, I'm glad we got to hear from you, especially with the updated app now. So,
yeah, okay. Let's go to... Oh, I got to do my intro, guys. I got to do my intro. This is special. You guys, okay, I got to contextualize this intro so y'all know, okay? When I would think of Miss Sunita's
name, it made me think of Shakira. And particularly, and I don't want to sound inappropriate here,
so hear me out, okay? But you all remember the Hips Don't Lie song, right? So like, you know,
and it's like, Shakira, Shakira.
So every time I just see Sanita's name, that's like the first thing that comes to me. So
my intro will be Sanita, Sanita. Welcome to the space. How are you doing? I know you just came
through probably just to say hi, but if you got any thoughts on the topic, feel free to say
anything you want. Christian, I know you've been waiting for a while but Jack has been trying to come up and down throughout the
whole space since the beginning so I definitely want to tap in with him and hear his thoughts
and then Christian if you can keep it short as well we'll give it to you and then Josh will close
us out okay Sanita how are you doing today and what are your thoughts on the topic or what you've heard so far good evening everyone um i'm so pleasantly surprised by your space i
it's just the loveliest little find to finish my day off um
i suppose you achieved the title of your space without even realizing it
the title of your space without even realising it.
And I think that's what we do in these spaces.
As much as people love to complain about this app,
the glitches, the technical ups and downs,
and the politics,
ultimately what this app has made possible across time zones, across international
boundaries, across race, across everything, what this app has made possible in this space
for instance right now is nothing short of magic.
is nothing short of magic
nothing short of magic
yeah
that's all I have to say really
prayers
wow thank you
I appreciate that
if we haven't achieved it
then I hope yeah this space
can be
a foundation towards that.
And, you know, as part of my opening statements, I'd said that, you know, when we think about the future generations and maybe if they're able to catch these spaces as a form of archaeological records, like, you know, hopefully they can look back and be like, wow, you know, people were talking about this and they were actually trying to stay away from the BS.
Right. And not just stay away from it in terms of ignoring it.
Right. But like staying away from it in a sense of like, OK, fine, we see it.
We recognize that it's there. But how can we improve and how can we relate to each other moving forward with our shared commonalities and our differences as well?
That makes us human. And Auntie Jane said we probably have more commonalities than maybe we even give each other credit for as it pertains to the human family. And I think
I would like to think, you know, part of the reflective questions I offer today,
the last question I asked, right, is the human family a fallacy? And maybe, Sanita, to your
point, maybe it isn't. Maybe it isn't. We just got to keep on going. So thank you. I appreciate
you being here. I hope you get some much needed rest. If not, I'm pretty sure I'll catch you later. So, okay, let's go to Jack because he's been trying to speak the whole time. And then we'll go to Christian and then we'll wrap up with Josh and then final thoughts from the panel if they have any. And Sheila, of course. Jack, welcome, man. How are you doing today? And what are your thoughts on the topic?
Jack welcome man how are you doing today
and what are your thoughts on the topic
Jack can you hear me
I hope I'm pronouncing your name correctly
Jacques are you there
I'm sorry I'm like
nine levels deep in windows
and I've got my Humvee running
sorry, it's really loud
okay, we'll go to Christian
and then we'll come back to you right after, okay?
Christian, welcome to the space, how are you doing man?
what are your thoughts on the topic?
I think it's fantastic
It's fantastic.
you know, I think there's a lot of
You know, I think there's a lot of potential in what you guys are actually doing.
potential in what you guys are actually doing
You got other initial thoughts?
Yeah, we can hear me.
Can you hear me all right?
Oh, perfect.
I'm currently in a different vehicle.
No, I'm just vibing with people, seeing how people are,
and this is actually a very chill space.
It's not too bad, actually.
I've been in much worse.
And what we're currently working on, everybody,
is we're making space adventure for the middle class.
That's actually what we're working on.
And this is just a brand-new account,
a brand new account so you can definitely look into us and what we're actually working on
so you can definitely look into us and what we're actually working on.
yeah i mean if you got like info and stuff you'd want to post down there feel free to
share with us and uh yeah absolutely yep it's called the united spaceport corp and what we're
currently doing is making space planes accessible all kinds of cool stuff venture systems we're currently doing is making space planes accessible, all kinds of cool stuff, venture systems.
We're creating a new space hub instead of just for the rich.
It's going to be definitely for the middle class, just like how airlines were back in the time when it was just meant for the rich.
And then it trickled down to the economy, you know, on the economy side.
So that's what we're exactly doing, and we're almost done, actually.
We've got the FAA's approval done.
We've got, you know, everything else pretty much sorted out.
We have some venture capitalists moving in with us and merging with us as well.
moving in with us and merging with us as well.
And the reason why I'm sharing this with everybody
is because the amount of revolutionary technology
is absolutely into an effect.
And I'm just really happy that I'm able to share something
that is going to be impactful,
not just for myself financially,
but also for the people. Because now we can actually, instead of being a military operator or being in NASA,
you can actually go to space at a very reasonable rate with a high extensive premium value
at the same time. So that's going to be really cool and i'm i'm really really really excited
about what we have going on and that's pretty much all i wanted to share and i did hear about
another person involved into a political realm and that's what i do as well i appreciate you
actually having me on here yeah no worries christian i appreciate you sharing that and you
know hopefully this is my personal hope you know the work that you're doing maybe can also
in the future trickle down to the quote-unquote lower class right we talked about inclusivity in
this space absolutely so you know um i'm glad that you're doing that man hopefully it will do
wonders for a lot of people and yeah a different angle of approach to this topic, right?
Space exploration and how that can be a unifying factor.
Yeah, the really cool part is two executive orders has been fully into effect.
has been fully into effect.
One was on August 13th, 2025.
and then the other one was for infrastructure.
That was passed on December 18th of 2025.
So that is set in stone, and that's why we're pushing really hard.
We're able to not only put hotels on the moon,
but we can pretty much make housing and make a mini city actually on the moon and et cetera.
So that's going to be really exciting.
And the fact that we're, oh my gosh, 25 years ago, if we talked about this, it would be considered crazy.
You know, so that's pretty cool, actually.
Yeah, that sounds awesome, man.
That's different.
I appreciate you sharing that
i'm glad you were able to come up man and my bad man i wasn't trying to rush you or anything but i
do gotta go soon you know what i'm saying no i totally understand i get it it's all gravy no
worry and uh feel free to tap in man to future spaces not just mine but you know other people
that maybe resonate with as well so okay jack hit it man and then we'll go to josh
what's up homies uh just got in the office and and uh you know saw a little purple bubble and
went yay some of my friends so figured i'd jump in say hi i saw katie was in here earlier i wanted
to say hi but that's okay. I'll say hi later.
It's just good to be in the presence of good people.
That's it.
Just thought I'd leave it there.
And, bro, I saw your comment down there, man.
I say this with sincere humility, bro.
I appreciate that, man.
You know, I don't look at myself that way.
You know, I'm just regular prez.
You know what I'm saying?
But I appreciate that comment.
That was, we talk about being life-giving.
That was very life-giving.
That really spoke to me, bro.
So, yeah, man.
You're very life-giving.
You're a good man.
And you're bringing good people together. And that's all that I care about.
Thank you, Jack.
I appreciate that, man man that means a lot
okay mr josh you will be our official closing speaker and then maybe we'll get final thoughts
from the panel if they have any and then sheila of course and then yeah man usually i'll play a
track to close us out but i'm just gonna close the space out you know what i'm saying oh i need to
change uh the title huh i yeah
i still want to change the title right i'm still going to change the title because it still kind
of aligns to what we're talking about but josh while i'm doing that go ahead bro
jack it's good to see you my friend what's up battle um um anti-jane it's good to see you, my friend. What's up, Battle?
Auntie Jane, it's good to see you, darling.
Sanetta, it's good to see you.
And Christian, it's good to hear your voice as well.
It's been a fabulous space. So when I entered this space, I was in tears, Prez.
You know this.
I shared it at the very beginning.
I was talking to a veteran friend of mine, and it was just a tough conversation.
And how do we achieve, you know, I would even go from global unity to global helping.
You know, how can we show up for those that could use support?
And I love this tonight, Prez.
I love the conversation tonight and the individuals.
I scanned this group more times than I've ever scanned a group
in a space chat in my life. And I was looking for those that came in to support Prez.
You created an atmosphere because this is kind of a weird topic that you had titled,
and it could have gone any multiple directions. And it all stayed consistent.
We kept our tires in between the lines as we were driving down the road.
And Prez, you created an atmosphere, and obviously beautiful Sheila, creating the atmosphere for people to feel comfortable, confident.
And because there was people that were sharing
you know their own perspectives but it was very calm and peaceful that's how we make global unity
happen and um i was having a rough time before I came into this space.
And I feel at peace.
And so one thing that I practice is I'm a Christian, but grace before meal.
I believe in grace after meal.
So you give grace before meal and then you give grace after meal.
And I am so thankful.
I'm in an attitude of gratitude for everybody that's shared in this space.
That, to me, contributes to global unity.
Is the grace after meal and say, I appreciate you.
Thank you for being respectful.
Thank you for all of these things that you've done for your community around you and everything.
But at the end of the day, when I close my eyes, I like to say a prayer and say in an attitude of gratitude, thank you.
And I'm hoping that everybody in here tonight, this evening, depending on when you're listening, was a support to you, Prez.
We all showed up for you.
And there are so many fabulous people
that have come through tonight,
whether they stood for, you know,
five minutes, 10 minutes, 15 minutes,
or a couple hours.
Hopefully it's a blessing back to you, my friend,
and Sheila,
because I know what it's like to hold that energy of everybody else in the space.
But at the same time, in reflection, I feel blessed.
So thank you for holding the space.
I feel blessed coming out of this.
So thank you, Prez, because Prez knows that I'm not usually in here this a long time or this
amount of time and i stuck around the entire time because just like um who was sharing i can't
remember who um but they just got stuck they were held in the vibration of the space
and for whatever reason it met them and it was healing so hopefully that's that's my prayer for
the evening my after uh my grace after meal is that everybody feels blessed in some sort of way
and you're able to take away whatever vibration that you needed um because i picked up a lot of
things and i'm hoping you all picked up things and I'm hoping that it gets blessed back to Prez and Sheila for just holding the space.
Didn't have to contribute.
Just holding the space was enough and creating an opportunity for all of us to be blessed.
So I'll land there, Prez.
Thank you, Josh.
I appreciate you, man. Your share got me emotional bro and then like as you were
sharing i was listening to your sharing and i looked at my brother's message it just
it broke me in real time you know what i mean it's not that like i i'm very in tune with my
emotions so it's not like i try and hide that or whatever but that was just like oh man you know
so now i appreciate you man and i
know you know you don't just stay in spaces for a minute you have to fill your cup right and part
of the energy and time currency is part of that and i know dr christina is probably going to be
like you gotta take a nap josh but you know like now i appreciate everybody honestly all of y'all
who've held space you know contributed to the topic It's been amazing, man. I can't wait to catch the playback. I'm not going to hold you. I was very, very nervous for this space whether it's meditating, whether it's a workout or, you know, making sure I have
life-giving nutrients within me, right?
Eating the right things because I want to be able to be on point as I can be.
I can't be perfect, you know, with any space that I'm involved in.
And I want that to have a ripple effect towards the people who show up.
So I'm very grateful towards y'all, honestly. Yes,
it did fill my cup, but my overall goal was, I hope it did something for the people, you know,
whatever things that they were able to gain from it, you know, that's job done on my part,
I believe. So I appreciate that, Sheila. Of course, I'm very grateful that you were able to
hold space with us, chime in whenever you were able to chime in. And yeah, with that being said, Josh, you got a response. And then Jack, you got a response. And then we'll go closing thoughts throughout the panel. But I see Sister Simone Louise is here. You know what I mean? Definitely want to tap in with her before we close out the space too. Go ahead, Josh.
Go ahead, Josh.
Well, I have an attitude of gratitude, but I'm going to give you a little crap, Prez, because this is not a Dr. Heath space.
So this whole making Josh wait till the very end.
Yeah, I'm going to go into the Ask Me Anything series with Dr. Heath and be like, Prez made me wait till the very end. Dr. Heath, why did you force me into this position?
And now Prez is taking it over and coining that as well. So I'm just giving you crap, Prez.
I didn't mind waiting. I was going to stick around for the entire time.
Yo, Josh, listen, man, when you go into a space, let me know. And I want to be on stage two. And
I want you to say all that because I'm
going to be like, yes, Dr. Heath, I took over, man. You dropped the ball. You were supposed to
be consistent with it, man. You know what I'm saying? And I ain't got no, I'm a small account.
I ain't got no subscriptions or whatever, whatever. So nah, yeah. Someone had to pick up,
you know what I'm saying? Dr. Heath dropped the ball, man. So I had to pick it up.
I appreciate you, Josh. I really do, man. You know, sincerity. Jack? Dr. Heath dropped the ball, man, so I had to pick it up. I appreciate you, Josh.
I really do, man.
You know, sincerity.
Jack, you got any closing thoughts, my brother?
For sure, dude.
Josh, by the way, good to have you here.
You've always been...
Josh has always been a pleasant experience.
um prez kudos to you buddy um i've been trying really hard to study leadership for the last
Prez, kudos to you, buddy.
three years of my life even though you guys have seen me act like a nutcase a few times we all have
our moments but um prez you you are the fine making of a leader you have great leadership
skills you've got a great speaking voice and you've got a great mind um and i can
feel and hear your compassion through the device you're a leader bro keep working on it keep doing
it you're going to do great things in your life and i know you are irrefutably along with a whole
bunch of the rest of you keep it up homies we are going to change the world. Man, thank you. Wow.
I appreciate that.
I appreciate that, man.
Yeah, I know I'm a work in progress.
I'm going to keep on improving.
Josh cognitively reframed something for me.
He said, you need to stop saying keep your head down.
So keep your head up.
So I'm not perfect at even like reframing that for myself, but I've been trying to actively do that because, again, it goes back to that negative self-talk.
So I appreciate that, Jack, that you can resonate with how I operate, how I conduct these spaces.
You know what I'm saying?
But I think we're all leaders.
I learned from all of you guys as well.
You're just authentic.
You're you.
That's why I like you.
That's why I consider you a friend.
I want to give you a big hug one day. I want a bunch of us to have a barbecue one day.
Hopefully this next spring, maybe we'll see how things go.
That would be fine. I think that's like the, that has to be the next step, right? Like even tying
it back to the topic when we're talking about practical steps, like I think even, and some
people have met each other, you know, offline, which is great. And, you know, just even be able to observe that.
But, like, yeah, it would be nice for us to actually, like, be able to link up with each other and, like, actually feel our frequencies face to face.
And going back to what you're saying in relation to authenticity, so people don't just feel like what we're talking about is just performative just for the sake of it.
But, like, if we can actually link with each other, that would be solid, man.
And I'm down, man. I'm down, You know, I just got practicums coming up
soon. But other than that, man, like, yeah, I'll be, that'll be awesome being able to link up with
people. And I know there's some things down the pipeline, so I know it will happen with some
people at some point. But yeah, thank you, man. I appreciate that. And I'd give you a big hug too,
bro. If I saw you in person, man. I appreciate that, man.
Okay.
Before we go to the rest of the panel for final thoughts, we got Simone Louise, Miss Simone Louise.
How are you doing today?
And you don't have to chime in on the topic if you don't want to.
But, yeah, I actually just want to say how are you doing. And if you do have thoughts on the topic, feel free.
But no obligation, of course.
Yeah, welcome.
Thank you, Brother Prez.
Oceans of love to yourself and Sheila and everyone here,
all our wonderful friends.
Merv and I have been in and out of the space
while we've been doing other things.
And I know that you're closing so my only thought whether it's
on this space or any space is it's always an inside job and your inner world heals
the outer world and if humans are demanding for global peace and expecting that, then it always starts inside and it
always starts close by with family and friends. So I know when I came onto this
platform two years ago I had such deep spiritual intoxication and absolutely
loved it and it was like oh this is great this is my family and
then Merv and I had the honor and the pleasure of meeting Josh and Christina
and 50 other space friends from the community and that was able to close a
lot of the gap when I came back to Australia I just was like what's wrong
with my family and friends in real life? Nothing.
So it was able to be able to be balanced. So the last two months I've been with my
dad and then with my mum just integrating being profoundly in the now and I can't
be on X when I'm doing such deep healing but what I do want to be able to say is that every prayer, journal, meditation, silence,
stillness is absolutely worth it, whether we do it together or, of course, when we do
it offline.
Because, you know, my parents, it's never an easy trip with them and I have to pre-pave for at least 12 months and really get myself into a very
open mindset to drop all the old stories and the stuff and the projections. And so
when you're dealing with such tough people and you're like, I don't, I think this could be my
last trip. I don't know if I've got it in me anymore.
And when you receive back such profound healing and love,
it's worth it.
So my encouragement is sometimes, you know, others may say,
I don't have time to meditate.
I don't have time to journal.
I don't want to.
I don't feel like it.
Who feels like working out and going to the gym?
Most of us don't. We don't want to do it. It's not about getting into our when I feel
like it, it's just a choice and it's a choice of peace. So bless our nervous
system, bless it when we co-regulate together. Inner peace, if you're requiring outer peace,
it starts within. Just the smallest little distinction makes it so worth it and I definitely
feel refreshed in the ocean of love after being with my parents. I'm like, you know what,
love after being with my parents of like you know what I can do it and I will do it and I choose to
do it because they got me here and so when I looked at their wedding photo oh my goodness
I looked at it with the eyes of love in such a different way they're 80 81 they did the very
very very very best to get me to where I am, let alone all my other
ancestors and future ancestors. So bless the courageous souls. I know we take a lot of energetic
hits in real life for our family and friends as well as online. And it is an ouch and it does hurt
and it does burn. But together we're stronger. And I thank you so, so much, Prez and Sheila, for your love and your light,
the space that we shared a couple of days ago and just being here
and the opportunity to be able to speak and thank each and every one of you
for offering so much love and benevolence in my life the last two years,
unconditionally and consistently.
I see you. I'm grateful for you. I love you all.
I love you, Simone. You're my guardian angel. I know Perez is probably in the back doing something,
so I just want to go ahead before
you even call me out, Perez.
Infinite gratitude to you for holding this much-needed space.
The discussions were all thoughtful and meaningful.
I tell you what, I am also very picky about what spaces I want to go into, but when Perez
and Simone hold their space, I just know
there's lots of meaningful discussions. And so I wanted to leave you with this,
not just you Perez, but everybody else here or who wants to listen to the recording.
Contemplate often on your unique experiences. Feel every emotion that arises and observe the ongoing events in
your immediate surroundings. However, be mindful not to become attached to any of it. This, I'm
hoping, will help for you to measure your level of self-awareness. I think everything that we
talked about has a lot to do with where you are with your self-awareness.
Because just like what Simone was saying, your inner world reflects on your outer world.
And if we want that change that we're desperate and desiring for, for the world, for humanity, I think the level of self-awareness is very important.
So that's what I wanted to
leave. Thank you, Perez. Thank you, Josh. Everyone, Simone, everyone who spoke, thank you. And those
who didn't speak, we feel your energy. I know I do. And it was good energy because everybody
engaged with open hearts. So love you all. Thank you, Sheila.
Thank you, Simone Louise.
Yeah, and yeah, sorry, I was doing some multitasking, right?
But, you know, I definitely heard, though, I was listening.
I was paying attention.
Simone Louise, I hope you're able to, I know you said you were in and out, you and Merv.
Blessings to Merv.
Please give him my regards as well.
But, you know, what you were saying ties into some of the shares that people talked about the importance of the inner work. I talked about the importance of intentionality, right? And then like, you know, the homie Southern mentioned willingness, right? So intentionality goes hand in hand with willingness. meditation or sitting with those feelings or things that have to do with that temple that
contribute to the mind-body connection, like the example that you shared about going to the gym.
It's not because we want to, right? It's because we know what it's going to do for us as part of
our ongoing healing process, which is nonlinear. It's going to be relative to our individual
experiences, right? So now, yeah, I think we got to keep on doing the work, y'all.
Even though it's not easy, we got to keep on doing the work. And once we're able to achieve,
if not full on inner peace, but some aspects of that, or at least be on that pathway towards that,
again, it can have a ripple effect on the macro. And then hopefully we can have that outer peace
and perhaps global unity as well. If there are any other panel members who would have want
to have final closing thoughts feel free to share and then i will just close out the space you know
usually i do have music to close this out but i think i'll just uh land there christian hit it
the quote for the day is no matter what happens and whatever it is that you're involved in doing,
you only have to be right once and all the failures will become a lesson.
That's fire. I like that. I like that. Thank you. Appreciate you sharing that. For sure, for sure.
Dr. Christina? Yeah, this has been a really great space.
I've really enjoyed listening to the conversation.
And shout out to you, Prez, for creating an atmosphere for everyone to have this conversation.
I mean, considering the title of the space, I actually feel like this has been a really chill, peaceful space.
At least for the time
that I've been in here. I was here a little late, but yeah, I just, I appreciate it. I think it's
needed and I appreciate everyone for being here and participating and helping create that atmosphere.
And thank you for being supportive of me when I gave my share and Josh when he gave his share.
you for being supportive of me when I gave my share and Josh when he gave his share and yes
he is in trouble for not taking his nap because now it's too late but you know that's a story for
another time but I appreciate you Prez and Sheila for co-hosting thank you my friend
and yeah I hope everyone has a beautiful rest of your week. Take good care, everyone.
Thank you, Dr. Christina.
I mean, you were on fire.
Like the comments and what people were saying,
like in relation to
what you brought to the table
and then the reflective question
that Josh asked too.
I think that was super awesome.
So thank you, honestly,
hand on heart,
like you bringing your contributions,
not just even as a clinician,
but just even tying it
to your own
personal experiences. And like, you know, when we're talking about consuming things and what
it can do to us and the AI stuff as well. So thank you for supporting Josh. My bad, bro.
But honestly, I don't really feel bad for you, bro. I think I'm happy that you're kind of in
trouble. I don't know. I know that that's maybe my darkness. But yeah, I appreciate y'all being here.
Simone Louise. And then we'll go back to you, Josh. You know, you got to be last again.
Go ahead, Simone Louise.
G'day, Prez. It's Merv here, actually. Sorry, I've had to hard check.
Oh, dang. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, man. You just had that caught me off guard but that was nice that was
fire simone louise does this you know what i'm saying she finds ways to like stump me because
she knows i stump her with my space titles but that wow okay okay i gotta find a way i got you
i got you what's up mer welcome, thanks, man. I couldn't...
We've been trying to listen...
And then this time, I can't be on Washington
because we're in the same place.
She said just borrow her...
Merv, can y'all hear him? I can't hear him. Merv, you're kind of cutting in and out, bro.
No, I can't hear him. I have to go, everybody. I got another meeting to attend to offline. So
thanks again for having me. Follow for follow. Talk soon. Bye, guys.
Yeah, I definitely gave you a follow, bro Hopefully, I can tap in with you and learn more about what you're doing
and how it impacts the micro in relation to the macro.
So thank you for your contribution, man.
Merv, are you there?
We'll definitely circle back to him.
Hopefully, we'll be able to.
I don't even know if he knows that we can't hear him.
I don't even know if he knows that we can't hear him.
But Josh, hit it, man.
But Josh, hit it, man.
Well, I'll stall a little bit of time because, yeah, you're on a rush.
You've got class tonight.
But Dr. V, Merv, I call him Dr. V.
It's good to hear him.
And I actually really need his assistance at the moment because Prez is not sticking up for me because i am in trouble
and i need somebody else a battle buddy on the playground here uh to guard my six because
prez definitely got me in trouble good job come on back dr v come on back
I'm going to send him the mic and see if he can come up.
I do want to say this, though.
You know, like, I don't know.
People might say I'm a simp or whatever, but I don't know.
I just have an affinity towards the ladies.
So I'm sorry, Josh.
I got to be Team Dr. Christina on this one.
I'm sorry.
Hey, I'm back. Is that better?
Yeah, you're good, man. We can hear you.
Oh, great, great, great.
Yeah, apologies for that. I was just going to, just wanted to share my
favorite little thing to share, which is about finding people's similarities and what we've got in common rather than the differences.
I think that's just one of the big things that would make a huge shift towards global unity.
So much stuff that causes division and problems is because people finding differences with each other.
It's so easy to find differences.
It's much harder to find the things we have in common.
But even then, there's so many simple things we've got in common.
We're all human. We all bleed. We all have family.
Most of us have a mother and a father.
We have family stuff that goes on.
There's so much stuff we've got in common.
And often, if you've
got a bit of a beef with someone and if you haven't dug or found out a bit more
about their background or their past history sometimes that can explain their
behavior it's nothing about you it's more about what their sort of past has
has evolved them into.
The other quick thing I really wanted to say was that I discovered something this week,
a new organ in the body.
I didn't discover it, actually.
It was discovered about seven years ago.
It's called the interstitium,
and I know some of you will have heard of it,
and I think it's absolutely going to be the next magical piece of the puzzle for humans.
It's the space between the cells.
So it's fluid.
Oh, interstitial space.
Yes, that's the one yeah i t i n t e r s t i t i u m the interstitium yeah and the interstitial
space now and they're saying that it's it could be the largest organ or it probably is the largest
organ of the body up to 20% of our actual body weight could
be this stuff. And it's going to have a frequency or a vibration. And that's what I'm trying
to now, that'll be my next sort of homework study, is to work out how to actually get
more in tune with that. Because I feel that it actually has a lot to do with the energy fields that
humans have in general, not just humans, but every living object has.
And I feel that this is going to be one of those, this is sort of the unseen magic behind
the human body that previously we just didn't even consider, you know, to study things, we would slice a thing
and put it under a microscope and try and determine what it was.
That's like trying to take a drop of water
and looking at that and saying, this is water.
No, that's one drop of water.
Water is a fluid.
Water has different behaviors and so different conditions.
So this interstitium that we all have
as I say there's a vibration to it there's a frequency to it and I think that the more and
more we're able to to study it and research it I think we'll find that this is the thing that
we have in common is a an energy field that actually surrounds the planet.
And yeah, we may get a little bit closer to global unity like that if a lot of people are able to learn how to control their ego
and not take things too personally.
Because if you take things personally, that's where upset's going to come,
pain's going to come.
When you realize that nothing is actually personally about you,
it makes things so much easier.
Thanks, heaps, prayers, and thanks for letting me hijack Simone Louise's account.
Thank you, Simone Louise, as well.
Lots of love to everyone here, everyone on the panel, everyone in the space.
Always love seeing you.
And I'm so glad I got a chance to come up and have a little,
little chat with your praise.
I love it.
Thank you,
Merv.
Yeah,
you definitely got to relay your thanks to Simone Louise.
I mean,
she's the one that allowed you to hijack her account.
You know what I'm saying?
but I appreciate everyone.
This has been a very, very interesting space. I think a lot of heart-scented shares, but a lot of
intellectual shares within the heart-scentedness. And I think we talked about that balance, right?
And wow, now the nerd in me wants to do research on that. I don't even want to pronounce it,
guys. It's been what, five, six, I don't even know anymore. Five hours. Five hours. No, actually, oh, my goodness.
No, six.
Is it six?
Is it six?
I can't even do my math right.
Anyways, it doesn't matter.
And T. Jane, do you have any final thoughts before we close out?
And Mahmoud, I see you requested, but, bro, I'm about to dip.
I'm about to nuke this.
You know what I mean?
No, I don't.
I just think that this has been a really great place to be
and wonderful things are said.
And I probably heard what I heard the most out of everybody
is we're more alike than we are different.
And I think if we hang on to that,
we'll be able to get along with each other a whole lot more. Thank you so much for a
beautiful space. Thank you, Jane. Appreciate you. I'm looking forward to your next space whenever
that is. And of course, the homegirl Jackie Sue down there is Tala, Juan, Richard, Purple K,
Catherine, Ron, Joshua, Tree, Justin, and everybody that's been in and out, I appreciate you.
For real, for real.
But yeah, Josh, hit it, man.
I'm just going to give you some more crap.
How come you let Merv
take the lead and you threw
me under the bus?
I'm just teasing.
I don't know, man. I don't know.
I think it's just kind of fun
To throw you under the bus
And then like I said
Knowing that Dr. Heath dropped the ball
Somebody gotta pick it up
You know what I mean
So yeah
Yeah yeah
Josh I appreciate you man
Thank you so much for being here
Everybody in the room
Make sure you honor your energy
Your time
And your emotional currency
However that looks like
Definitely catch the playback And again Look up look up at the purple, I mean, the nest up there, my next space,
you know, something different, completely different. I'm going to take a break on the
series spaces. We'll circle back to it throughout the year. Hopefully we'll see. But the ambition
pivot, are your goals status or autonomy related? And I'll be having the homies, Mr. Anderson, Mr.
A and AJ co-hosting in that space. So the homies, Mr. Anderson, Mr. A and AJ
co-hosting in that space. So definitely tap in, man. I think it should be an interesting conversation.
And I'm pretty sure everyone in this room and the other people who've been in and out can contribute
to that conversation. With that being said, I'm going to close out. I know Sheila already gave her
final words and I'm going to wait for it to reach the top of the hour. You know what I'm
saying? So in one minute, I will just nuke the space. Y'all have fun. And I will see y'all
very, very soon, hopefully. Take care now, okay? Bye-bye. Thank you.
