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Crypto Coffee Beems Radix $XRD Eco #3
Recorded: July 2, 2025 Duration: 1:09:40Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion, crypto enthusiasts explored the rise of super dApps, the innovative tokenization of stocks, and the launch of Liquefy, a platform enhancing liquidity for LSUs. The conversation highlighted strategic partnerships and growth opportunities within the Radix ecosystem, signaling a promising future for decentralized finance.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Sorry about the previous space.
Sorry about the previous space, I got kind of paranoid and started a new one just in
case Elon rugs me with the recording.
I'll be happy for everyone to know that it is currently recording.
Just gonna give it some time before I get started. Hey, Nicola, welcome to the space.
Welcome, welcome. Thank you. Mr. Machinist, welcome to the space.
I'm glad you can make it
all right all right let's get started it's been been two minutes already it's like a
it's like a work meeting trying to get give people some time to join before
i get started talking about things it's quite funny really. But yeah, for those that are listening, welcome to the
third space of Crypto Coffee Beams. For all those in many parts of the world, good morning,
good afternoon, or good evening, and welcome. So today, I didn't really have many topics to talk about, but there were a few topics that came into my mind as I was writing that I didn't have anything to talk about.
So I'll go over them and what they actually mean, I guess, in the context of Radix as well.
of Radix as well. So the first category of topics that I'll be talking about is superdaps,
or traditionally known as superapps, and how they even came into existence in the first place,
and what are some examples that are there right now in TradFi, right, and how that's even possible,
and which regions of the world even care about
an app that does everything, for example. The next one is pretty much hot off the press,
which is tokenizing actual stocks, where you have the value of something at spot price
without KYC, which is interesting, the way they've managed to gain compliance in some
manner or form, I guess. And finally, just pretty much following up from that is,
you know, complete change of move from centralized exchanges to actually start
joining the DeFi world and going actually on-chain. We have seen examples of that anyways,
right? Of this case of, you know, a lot of centralized entities are moving kind of on-chain,
maybe as an experiment or maybe something more than just an experiment in this case.
in this case. So yeah, that's pretty much it. I mean, so starting off from, for example, the first
topic and the concepts of super apps, and in the case of DeFi, super dApps in this case, right?
And for those that don't know, kind of super apps are kind of an example of super apps are apps like WeChat and Uber Eats or Uber in this case.
So both companies kind of started from very different starting points.
Right. One was obviously a writing app or, you know, it came from a writing app and
the other came from a chat app or it started both. So very different outcomes, right? And
what makes them both a super app in this case is the fact that WeChat is more than just a chatting app now.
It can do payments, it can do rides, it can do a lot of things that you didn't think would even
go together under the same brand, right? And that's an example of a super app, right? It's
essentially an app that tries to do everything all at once in some unified experience, right?
And it's the same thing with uber though at least
on in the western part of the world with uber they've i believe for now they've kind of stuck
with two categories which is a writing app and a um a food delivery app so So kind of, but I believe they've also kind of branched
into kind of, you know, keeping some of your payments
or credits or things like that.
So they're kind of a mini bank in the same way
as Starbucks would be, I guess.
So this is essentially what's meant by a super app
in the first place, right? So how does this even relate to Radix in the first place?
And why do we even care?
Right. I believe at the moment we actually have at least at the very least in Radix one
super dap or one that is approaching that point, if not already.
that is approaching that point, if not already.
And that is shard space, for example.
And that is shard space, for example.
So shard space is essentially a can we provide and facilitate everything
in one platform?
And I believe there's quite a few things in there now.
So there's XRD domains, there's Trove Pro Outposts integration.
There's also airdrop tools and developer tools
to facilitate airdrops, for example.
Say it, Shardspace is trying to do a lot of things
all at once.
And one of the other apps that's in my mind
that's kind of verging on that super dap status
is Radix Hub as well.
So I'm not sure if everyone has checked out Radix Hub or Shard Space,
but you can check them both out.
They're quite cool in their own right.
So Shard Space.app, I believe, is the URL.
And the other being Radix Hub, which is actually a native app on both iOS and Android. So both very much have
different goals, I believe. Whereas, so I mean, with Shard Space, they're kind of encouraging
as many DeFi integrations within the Radix ecosystem as a whole, right? And that kind of
approach is a way to kind of eat market share in a way
that's, you know, that's, let's try to do everything so you don't ever have to leave
shard space. And it gives utility or a lot of utility to shard space, right? As a platform,
of course. With Redix Hub, it's kind of a different goal, I where uh where they're trying to basically gain more awareness about what
is in the ecosystem itself i feel like it's kind of in part now in competition with the radix wallet
ever since the discover page for the radix wallet came out um and i feel like yeah those are again
two different starting points two different outcomes and two different goals. But yeah, both are kind of super dApps in their own right.
It's kind of, the question then becomes, who are your users and why in God's name would you want to retrofit and PVA glue the shit out of every DeFi platform in one platform, right?
Why would you want to do that?
And who are the users that would actually care about this?
about this. Ironically, our presence for addicts in those regions are not there or not even close
to being existent in the first place. So for those that don't know, like I mentioned before as well
with WeChat, the region of the eastern part of the world, so I'm more thinking Singapore,
what part of the world, so more, I'm more thinking, you know, Singapore, China, Hong Kong,
those regions are actually very much in high demand of unified experiences, you know,
unified super apps in this case. And obviously, with Radix, we don't have any of that presence
there in those regions itself. But I'm saying most of the users that actually use super apps are
from those regions yet we don't we don't actually target for them i mean the quick win here is the
fact that most people in those regions do speak and um are able to read english so that's like
a coincidental win there for the most part, right?
So yeah, it's interesting that we already have kind of two super dApps in some way,
but we're not targeting for the right region for the right type of users.
And I don't think it's the respective dApps' fault for having the lack of awareness in those regions. It's obviously Radix as a whole wasn't targeted for the eastern world. It was most likely for the western world
where you have the UK and the EU and obviously the US, right? But there is a lot of appetite for for dApps that want to try and do everything in a unified manner right um and but but then again
sometimes the answer just kind of comes in itself when you're creating a super app of some sort
let's say you've created with one goal in mind in this case with Uber, you're just kind of, you know, creating a seamless
experience to order rides instead of calling a cab. You can do everything in an app, right?
And they grew so much that they were able to have the budget to branch out further. And this is,
this could happen with Radeix Dapps as well.
You know, you have one goal in mind
and it adopts really well.
You gain TVL, you gain volume, you gain users,
and suddenly you've actually got a lot of room
to grow into other parts of the world, right?
And that's quite cool, right?
That is part of why you would want to create a super dap
in the first place. I'd like to see more, but I'd like to see more in a way that's kind of marketed
for those particular regions, right? So I'm actually referring to more of the eastern part
of the world that actually would care about something like this.
Another aspect about this notion of super apps or super daps is essentially the thing is
the way you design them is very different compared to the western part of the world.
The western part of the world care about elegance and hiding as much information as possible in order to make your UI and UX experience seem clean, seem elegant and no noise.
It focuses on just a few things at once. The eastern part of the world, they fucking love everything all at once
on one page with as much information as possible. And again, this is where it comes down to,
does the western part of, you know, the DeFi world care about, you know, super apps that try to do
everything? Probably not, because we're so wired to care about cleanliness and, um, you know,
if something looks so messy, put it on the next page.
Whereas, you know, in, in regions like Japan, they just say, I want all of the information.
I don't care if it looks messy.
At least I know where everything is and I don't need extra journeys to move to the next page.
thing is and I don't need extra journeys to move to the next page. So what I'd like to see in the
radix world at the very least when it comes to creating like super daps that try to do everything
is to keep in mind the kind of regions you're actually targeting in the first place and you
know what appetite there is for something that wants to do everything and that's really the point that I wanted to make it's kind of it's cool that we're getting
a lot of unified experiences but at the same time we need to be careful about how we target this
to the right type of people so that your effort as a developer as a builder as a founder isn't
wasted right you would want people to use your dap that's the most satisfying thing as a developer, as a builder, as a founder isn't wasted, right? You would want people to use
your DAP. That's the most satisfying thing as a founder. So yeah, I kind of wanted to touch on
that as the first topic for the most part. I've also, by the way, if you're just stepping in,
I've asked a few founders to join the space if they can.
I will hopefully invite some of them in if they are indeed free to join and speak at the same time.
Two of them are already here, so I'm hoping to let them basically show what they can.
And yeah, we'll be cool to see them on, hopefully.
And if you haven't done so already, please, of course, retweet and like the space.
I've created a new space for those that have noticed in case Elon rugs me.
I don't want it to not be recorded like last time.
It was a fucking disappointment.
So yeah, please definitely try to, yeah, give it to um yeah give it a share give it a comment
and as for comments i'm gonna say um just to make sure everyone's listening here um i want everyone
to comment uh either shardspace or radix hub is the future of super daps that's what i want you to comment so i know you're listening um so yeah moving on
uh to the next topic one of which i'm not too knowledgeable on on how they actually executed
that in the first place but i kind of do see the mechanics behind it which which is, of course, the aspect of tokenized assets, which are real world
assets.
Right.
And what I'm specifically referring to is the idea of tokenizing stocks.
Now for those that don't know, in the UK at least, it's so fucking strict, it's actually insane to own stocks in the first place.
Right?
So what I mean by that is, for example, I currently work in financial services and any stock that I do buy, I'll need to declare.
That's part of my compliance as being employed as, you know, being part of
financial services. Now, why is this so important for other people in other parts of the world
to own the value of stock, but not go through the compliance where it's not even available?
The legal framework isn't available. It's such a huge deal that everyone basically gets a piece
of the spot value of a stock that they wish to have. And that aspect is just so cool, right?
Obviously, it's a legal nightmare in my case. I wish I could, but I can't. But in those parts of
the world where it's a bit more gray, where there's literally no framework involved,
this is a chance for them to actually get involved.
I believe Solana is front running
this charge into that real-world asset part of the world.
For those that don't know,
the product that recently came out is literally called Xstocks.
And that is basically a representation of a stock, which is also backed one-to-one.
How they achieved that compliance-wise, I have no idea.
I'd love to know how they did it.
It is kind of insanely a high achievement thing that they've achieved.
You know, it's not something that you can easily offer.
Now, how does this actually tie into Radix?
So I was just thinking about this and I saw a couple of mechanics involved with, you know, what they are actually doing.
Right. And I feel like the mechanics behind that,
it would be extremely easy on Radix actually, right?
So being able to, for example, buy an asset,
it needs to be backed with the underlying stock
as well as the value of that stock.
And then, of course, on the DeFi side, you mint that token, which is, of course, very,
very easy to do on Radix with just an owner badge. From an owner badge, you can easily mint
something, right? And that is basically it, right? That's basically the limits of what's possible in Radix. There's no smart contract involved with that.
It's just a matter of programmatic minting at that point. And this is what I mean. It's like a mint
burn bridge, but like with assets, as long as it's backed. The thing is, I don't see why it's not
possible to have on Radix, right? we have all the mechanics to do with that
um i also saw some other posts where let's say you are hesitant to create something like this
due to compliance well actually you can split the problem into two that i've seen um and i'm just paraphrasing so i be wrong here, is that they have basically split two
aspects of a problem. The first part, which is compliance. So how do you allow people to mint
stock, which is also backed? And the second part is how do you make that accessible
to the user from a front end perspective, right? And I read this post by
someone on the Sonic side of things. They've actually split that problem into two. So you
have one entity which would basically mint the asset as well as buy the underlying asset.
And that would be done via smart contracts calls, right?
And that is it.
That's all they do.
They're able to kind of, you know, do that.
But the second part of it is actually making that available to everyday users.
Now, that portion of it is going to be the more complex part of compliance.
But I'm saying this is exactly what we could do with Radix.
You can kind of have one side,
which is purely involved with just issuing the asset
to an entity.
The second portion of it is having another entity
or another project or another founder
who would want to be involved with that,
who do the compliance to issue
that asset to users themselves and I found that like an elegant solution so you know if any
builders are looking for an idea here and if you definitely have experience on the compliance side
to make that possible do it on Radix right there? There's nothing to lose here. And in fact,
this is a much different product, where you don't need a liquidity pool, because it's one to one
backed. But the idea is you own the asset, which is insanely, you know, it's a good way to have it.
I know for a fact that when you own stock, you own it, but you own it from the point of
the platform itself and not, it's not something own it from the point of the platform itself.
It's not something you actually have on your wallet, for example. Or if it is, it's a very
fake feeling to have, right? And this is mostly the problem with owning something which you don't
really own. So yeah, I mean, if you're planning and like tinkering with the idea if you have experience
with compliance and legals i feel like x assets are an easy win on radix right you don't really
do high frequency trading with spot value of stocks so i i don't even think tps is a requirement
so it's kind of like you buy an asset, you hold it for a long time that
you're bullish about, and then finally you get to sell it, right? And that's the basic aspect of it.
In the Radix world, for the crypto side of it, maybe you want to add your own fees on top,
and that is easy as well. You can literally add dev royalties as part of charging for facilitating that trade for the X stocks.
So, you know, there's loads of options here on how we can actually make that possible, which is very cool.
Again, it's very seamless to do.
It would be quite an easy win, of course course as long as you've got the legal and compliance
framework associated with that um so I'm going to stop there for now um and again if for those
that are joining in right now I've I'm kind of going through the topics that I feel like we
should talk about or I feel like I should talk about anyways. And yeah, so the topic that I'm
talking about right now is xDocs, but how can we make that possible on Radix? So yeah, it's kind of
split into three problems actually. You've got the issuing of assets as one license, you've got the
issuing to users of those assets as another
license. And then of course, the third problem, which is actually the technical part of it,
which actually is the easiest portion of this, ironically, like we will not be, you know,
twiddling our thumbs with trying to create something, you know, create a new contract
to represent an asset, for example, like who would
want to do that in the first place. So yeah, that is my rant for the tokenizing of stocks.
You know, I feel like a lot of founders here, they're going to be
brushing on this aspect for the most part, but it's really important to keep this in mind that
it is actually possible. And if you can team up with other founders in the first place who have
experience with compliance, I think it's an easy one to get together and collaborate to make that
happen, even as an MVP, right? A minimal viable product for those that don't know.
And finally, this kind of brings it on to the next aspect
where we're seeing a divergence of tokenization within TradFi.
We're seeing a lot of divergence in what centralized entities
are willing to offer now.
And what they're offering is something on chain, which is actually insane to hear and see for the most part, right? Like
we've seen in the UK, there is one company, a FTSE 250 company who are offering spot crypto.
And they are like one of the first to offer this. And I don't see why other entities in competition with that FTSE 250 company to also do the same. Because competition is everything that everyone needs to survive, even if they're FTSE 250 companies, right?
goes and how far will TradFi be willing to take the on-chain aspects of decentralized finance.
Which brings it on to the next point, right, with Bybit. Bybit, for those that don't know,
is a centralized exchange. And quite recently, they've made the move to kind of offer more
TradFi products. So while FutsSE 250 companies are going into crypto,
crypto exchanges are going the other way around, actually. And this is what I find so interesting.
And it's just is always going to be a huge win for us as builders, as developers, as founders,
and more importantly, as users, right, when it comes to owning a piece
of asset. And I'm really interested to see where it goes. I've tweeted also before that more
centralized exchanges, I would not be surprised if they roll out their own L1, if they roll out
their own L1, as well as their own underlying gas token, and finally, you know, roll out their own decentralized exchange as well, to keep all of the trading fees to keep all of the liquidity pools within their control.
a battle of kind of two narratives here where you have centralized entities who have built a
reputation, who have built a brand. And finally, all of those upstarts from the decentralized world
who cater and who have been advocating for decentralization, for control, for real ownership,
to be your own market maker, for example, we're going to see a clash of those
two narratives within the DeFi world, right? I feel like that's where it's headed right now.
And it would be interesting to see. So the question then is, of course, because this is a
Radix crypto coffee beams space is how does this even relate to something like Radix, right? Like where could Radix even
position themselves to be in the first place to stay relevant? And I would say, as well as
obviously requiring exchange listings to have XRD listed on those respective changes, is to have early conversations with
those exchanges themselves and ask them if they are actually doing work to go on chain in the
first place. Because chances are they're not just twiddling their thumbs. They're not just doing the
same shit over and over again. You know, volume and trading fees can only take you so far when
it comes to profitability, when it comes to profitability
when it comes to a centralized exchange people want more than just that they also want to
leverage their own reputation as a brand to take things further to see how far they can push their
brand and their trust and their reputation and go beyond what they were doing before. So how it should be done,
obviously this is more Radix Foundation level conversations to have, but it's just an idea.
I think the Foundation needs to have early conversations about other exchanges who want
or have been thinking about for a long time, about going
on chain to roll out their own decentralized exchange and beyond. Because I feel like that
is where it's going to go as well. So that is basically my three points and my three talking
points in the hot topics. But for today, for the most part,
I'm not going to prolong it any further.
I see that Kanga Deru is on,
and I'm hoping he will be able to come on as well.
So I'll just send an invite to Kanga Deru.
If not, I will also talk about his project, of of course which would be amazing to have them
so yeah that pretty much it that is pretty much it for the three topics on my side and if you
haven't done so I've only got 15 listeners I know we can do better than that so please retweet and
like the space I would very much appreciate your support on that
and kangaderu is on um i'm hoping your mic works this time yeah same here hey yeah it does work
microsoft makes miracle products right yeah what's up and Again, by the way, congrats for your release. It's been really cool to see.
Thanks. And happy birthday, by the way.
Oh, fuck's sake. Every time. Fuck's sake.
Actually, you know what? I actually have no idea about you personally.
So let's go with... I kind of also don't want this to be a question and answer thing
but i have no idea who you are um but i'd love to know your radix journey first of all and i'd love
to know all of those og games you've been creating from the beginning so let's start from there yeah
you want to start from um yeah i've been in crypto for quite a while um i think uh i saw a qr code once with
an news article saying somebody posted this bitcoin address and he got something like 70 bitcoins
which was uh bitcoin was trading at 20 euros at the time i guess i don't know it wasn't
yeah so yeah um i was into qr codes at the time
and i was just thinking well what what is this bitcoin so uh join bitcoin talk and then i saw
bitcoin and said well this is never going to cater the world well what is everybody making this fuss
about and and somehow on bitcoin talk i found that post from them. No way.
You found the OG post.
Well, I've been on one of those posts,
and he made a separate site for eMoney,
and I've been following that since.
Then I dropped off because I think he did about five iterations and never followed through because he said,
well, yeah, I see a bottleneck that might happen in 2040.
Let's kill it and start again.
Interesting.
So and then I joined again when the public
investment was there because I never had the balls to invest in crypto.
So, yeah, I'm still working for a day for my living.
But yeah, I thought, well, yeah,
Redix has at least this philosophy to cater the world.
So if I want to invest, I'm going to do it here.
So I've been with Redix since then, more or less.
Sam, so you've been, I guess you've seen the inception of Scripto 0.1.
Is that correct?
I've actually been making some stuff since Scripto 0.07.
Oh, okay.
Cool, cool.
And I think you're one of the magic contributors
for the community.
That's right.
I try.
I try.
I'm in the top five, I guess.
Yeah, you are.
Because there were always questions.
So how does this work?
Did anybody already make some code for that?
And then I thought, oh, it's lacking.
Let's make it.
So that's how I rolled into script, though.
But that was when the Olympia network was still there.
I've made games on Olympia that nobody played, unfortunately.
But I made some games there.
Wait, what?
Wait, so you've actually created your own games pre-Babylon?
Yeah, Olympia had the possibility of encrypted messaging.
And I just used that.
I made puzzles about that.
Holy shit.
So you created, I assume assume more like a message based um
type of game right yeah um yes uh what's the what's the right name i i can't remember it i mean
well i wouldn't say it's thrown away but it's never been used but one of the things that i
actually did because the the initial release of babylon was really delayed by three months
so i made a delay game i made a d i made a delay coin i made delay games and i got banned from maine
for what i mean and now somebody else made the delay coin about half a year ago made a
shitload of money over it so um oh you know what they say you were too early back in the day
yeah i should have made early by then yeah i know exactly full circle but yeah the delay games that
i made they gave the delay coin as a as a as a token and i said as soon as Babylon's there i'm
gonna make a dab and you can get your delay coin and switch them to radix I think it was one delay
is five radix God I think I think I think it's the first public that that's been created I think
I'm number five on the list and I guess the number one to four are the gumball machines
damn you are truly OG here what the hell yeah I've been i've been thinking a lot but yeah i for some reason i
never could get a uh an audience and that happened last year when i joined up with tutor which is
still my partner now with the uh radix kingdoms when when the memes were hot and he made that
crypto conan stuff and the balls of steel and i joined with him as a team to get more exposure. Oh, cool.
Yeah, okay.
So that kind of ties into the whole history of CryptoConan and stuff like that.
Was it something that both you and Tudor created?
Well, CryptoConan was his work together with some other people in the space.
i joined after they already released the stuff but yeah because of my script or love we kind of
I joined after they already released the stuff.
yeah moved it from meme to being yeah a gameable token whatever but yeah you know you make the
games the the websites are still on i think you actually stole the cow about six months ago um
but yeah if you don't if you don't have an incentive people don't play
yeah that is very true yeah but actually your latest one is doing pretty well isn't it
it is doing pretty well and uh well maybe not for us because yeah we didn't we didn't take that many
tokens out as the founders but i guess taking the tokens out would have kind of killed
the gameplay as well so it was a it was a a choice that we consciously made so the tokens need to be
uh gained and if that if the founders will have 50 of tokens then it's just not good and like
today we already um i killed the uh the minting process for ourselves as well. Oh, yes, I saw that.
Yep.
So, yeah, I mean, you have to do something,
and Radix gives us the possibilities.
So it sounds like you've been pretty experienced with games,
you know, on-chain games since the very beginning.
Is games something that you do for your day job?
No, no, I'm an electronics engineer.
Oh, God.
That's completely different.
Software is not even my day job.
Damn.
That's impressive, to say the least.
Well, that's why Trudeau made the website.
Yeah, right.
Right.
I see.
Yeah.
I mean, just speaking on the game, and for those that don't know,
the game that we're talking about right now is called Radix Kingdoms,
and Kangaderu is one of the co-founders.
Is that correct?
Yeah, we kind of transformed the...
Well, the latest game that we had for Crypto Conan,
which was Kitten of the Castle, and we said,
well, if there's no king in the castle, and there wasn't any more,
then the kingdom will split up.
And we kind of went with that and said, well,
respawn that to a player versus player game.
Check what's possible on RiteX.
And that's how we started it.
But yeah, it was the team that originated from the CryptoConum stuff.
Cool. Yeah.
Did you do most of the scripto stuff or did you also do some of the
integration on the front end side as well?
So the queries to the gateway is something I'm a bit more familiar with.
Cool. Yeah.
Which is at the moment becoming a bottleneck because every player is doing
a lots of requests
to get information.
If we have more players, we actually have
to proxy it or
get our own gateway.
That's still
pending. Like I said, I still have a day
job, so I don't have that much time.
I feel you.
That's something that
needs to be done. I think it's the same with the war history button
that we have on the stuff.
It gives you all the wars.
It's not that bad after a week,
but after three weeks, if you get all the history,
it's going to be a lot.
So again, it needs to be, I think, cached as well.
And we will have to do requests where people can put in filters
and stuff like that.
But on the other hand, the team is also working
because Radix Change, Radix Change,
I don't know how to pronounce it correctly,
they've been supporting us by making some tools
on their side as well.
That's very cool.
Yeah, I mean, it's great to see, right?
Yeah.
It sounds like Radix Kingdoms has basically taken off in in quite
an interesting way the fact that you're already looking to host your own gateway
says that basically it's come to good pretty much pretty good user user plays right trying to avoid
the gateway because it's the same as doing uh i guess uh having a validator and you have to be in 24
call right and not really looking forward to do that i mean if the if the game is doing well then
it might be worth it who knows well i definitely feel your pain i think i can cache almost
everything that needs um that needs the cursor for more than 100 results so i think we have it set
up that we can cache that ourselves so we just do something in between yeah the the thing is uh with
me right any optimization that i do when it comes to things that are taking too long i just in memory
cache it and then if that fails i just file cache it and then that fails, that's when I go to like a SAS Redis kind of product.
But yeah, otherwise I really don't give a shit.
I'll just hammer everything in the same machine.
Because fuck it.
So maybe we should get some time from you then.
Yeah, I mean, dude, I have like, you know, the gateway api the the pagination shit i know why
it exists but it's fucking annoying it's bullshit like i don't give a fuck about paginating right
i just want everything there and then but obviously i know why it exists and because of
that limitation i just cashed the shit out of every call that i've done and it seems
to be working for me i'm able to get performances of like under 100 ms like it's it's pretty good
right yeah okay well it it is not ours right because the the website is actually not talking
to the gateway all the users are the the website is completely made in react so all the all the
users are okay so the users are consuming from the gateway from their side yeah so if you have
like right now we we sold something like 150 kingdoms but we can max out to to more than 5 000
thousand and if you have all those users making all those requests it's going to bottleneck
and if you have all those users making all those requests it's going to bottleneck everything
everything that is true that's when you'll need to start basically introducing a middleware to
cache and stuff like that um but yeah that's that's what i usually do seems to work yeah
because you can just filter the information that's relevant anyway so it would help
and we can give more than 100 results in one go as well.
But unfortunately, the caching project still has to be defined.
I haven't written a single line of code yet.
Well, if you need any help.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's very cool stuff. Anyway, that's probably too nerdy for the space right now.
Yeah, probably.
I'll probably DM you of things I'm using,
like services I'm using to kind of spin, you know,
Medawares up pretty quickly.
And it's been working for me so far.
I'll give you a DM just to show you how easy it would be.
Okay.
But yeah.
But yeah, in terms of Reddick's Kingdom,
like it sounds like, I mean, token value aside and stuff like that, the game itself, have you got any metrics with how many kingdoms have been created, how many raids have been enacted, and all of that stuff?
You got any of those juicy stuff around?
The number of kingdoms is about 150.
Impressive. yeah wouldn't know
um don't ever actually have a counter but yeah it's it's retrievable i mean
the nice thing everything runs on on the redix network right so even with some queries and some
uh queries into the history of the network you can you can pretty much get everything so
queries into the history of the network,
you can pretty much get everything.
So one of the things that we want to have
is some kind of damage overfill.
If you attack the kingdom, how much damage did you do?
So you need to know the status before and after the raid
or after the attack or whatever.
So the idea is just to get that information from the API.
But again, you only want to do that for the one player that actually wants to have that
user, because if all the users get that information,
we're just going to add on to that bottleneck we just talked about.
Yeah, probably.
Yeah.
I think I feel like I've, yeah.
Yeah.
Those are all on the to-do list.
The backend, the scripted part of it,
since it's not updatable,
at least not the way that we made it. Maybe with
a different architecture, we should have been able to do something like that, but it's not
updatable. I just thank all that it still runs after a week without
an issue.
I mean, hopefully there are no issues. I have confidence in you.
Well, we have three iterations on StokeNet for that.
So that helped.
Yeah, I feel like actually Yo was playing around with Radix Kingdoms on StokeNet.
So you'd bet your ass he'd flag a bunch of issues if there were.
Well, Yo kind of left and then returned.
And I'm not sure what his status is at the moment.
But he's not as active as he used to be yeah maybe maybe he still snips around though i feel like
he still does shout out to you yeah please come back we need you yeah literally you're an inspiration
and he really was talking about inspiration i see austin here as well his eyes his eyes project was a real
inspiration for me oh the ice project was amazing yeah i mean it blew quite well i i mean just
how quickly austin did the poc with that launched it and it didn't require like an ethereum fucking foundation to approve the standard for for
an for a new standard of a token right insane yeah yeah for me it was more the the the concept of
fuck he found something that we can work with i never looked into the the possibilities that
ethereum got but i thought yeah man this is this is something new this is and it really gave me
some energy to to look into new things again i haven't been able to steal this idea because it
somehow it never linked with the ideas i had but yeah it was it was great cool to see other builders
inspiring other builders yeah huge shout out yeah and i I hope that our game will do the same for others.
I mean, you know, having this stuff fixed on Scripto
means that we have limited gameplay.
It's already defined.
Having some random stuff and then players
that can do different actions makes it a bit unpredictable.
But, yeah, it is kind of limited.
I mean, I've played other games on the pc which are
well they have multiple multiple fields and options and whatever and you don't get that if
you do that on a ledger so again this is a showcase of what can be done and it it should
be an inspiration for other people but yeah hey i mean yeah this is your first iteration as well
right you can improve it as well i mean it's already a great game seem people seem to be loving it
i wouldn't know how to improve it on the scripted part because the coin itself is interwoven
and if that's okay if i'm saying or then i have to generate a new coin or yeah i think that we
can do is is the next iteration would be the next game.
It wouldn't be an improvement on this game.
So actually, I've been thinking about this,
and this aspect of, like, well, the only other option
is for migration, right?
So you'd ask people to migrate their tokens into a V2 contract,
and that's the only way i feel like there is yeah but the uh
kingdom state is also saved in in the app so we have to migrate that is true not only the tokens
but all also all that information yeah true true so the game is completely on chain is that correct
every action is an on-chain action that That's insane. That is an insane feat.
It's very cool to see for sure.
It will cost a lot of Redix fee.
That's fine.
And we already have people saying,
you should use the sub-intents and combine those.
Actually, that was going to be my question.
I was going to be like,
have you looked into sub-intents
to kind of make that journey more seamless?
I guess not.
Well, I've heard about it.
I never went into depth about it
because I didn't consider it an option to use.
But now I can see it,
especially people that want to do more action
over multiple kingdoms
and then put all state shoulders certain tents together but
yeah in a moment with the price of redx i don't really give that much yeah fair fair i mean a
great launch though yeah it's it's it's been it's been uh it's been a blast yeah uh and finally
really great to see you on the space again uh Well, I say again, but last time with a microphone.
Yeah, actually.
Actually, speaking of Austin, I know he's been working on Liquify,
and I'd love if he would be able to come on.
So let's see.
I'm kind of putting you on the spot here, Austin, actually.
So feel free to decline as well if you wish to.
I also noticed that Ripley just launched something new, and he's here.
He did, and I'm also going to selfishly have him on.
Hopefully he's finished his dinner.
If not, it's okay.
We'll just continue talking.
But yeah, Austin, I front-run him with his Liquify video,
which was funny as fuck, because I was just like,
yeah, sorry if I front-run that announcement.
But it was just too cool not to share.
I don't know if you've looked into Liquify, have you?
I did.
Yo was making a lot of money there and put it
into the system
he just beat me to it
I mean I actually
was milking Stoknet
as well, just as well as he did
just a stress test
liquefizer
I just wanted to be rich and I wasn't rich on Reddick
so I had to be ready on Stok so fake it so you make it well yeah i i got i got a script that it's called
milk it like a cow and i'm just running that and be a millionaire in about five minutes or something
like that so yeah yeah and i think joe had the same one and he used that he extended it with some with some uh
manifests to put the money all in austin's uh first iteration or second iteration of liquid but yeah i put some money in there as well and i actually bought some lsus on stock net to
put in there as well nice yeah it's a pretty pretty cool app i mean it's a low risk way to kind
of you know put your lsus to work essentially right uh for those that want to provide liquidity
um we need more daps like that because it's such an easy win within the ecosystem right like i feel like the distinction between the stakers and the dap users are quite
large in that there are probably a lot more stakers um on radix um than users
but i could be wrong hey can you hear me yes i can welcome austin the absolute legend how's life oh man oh it's it's
going great um awesome space you gotta go on it's really cool to hear that you know something i built
inspired someone else uh like kangaroo to do more games and i am like really having a good time
i have like seven kingdoms i'm building them like crazy right now
on uh seven kingdoms i'm not gonna say how many i have otherwise i'll just get right
but yeah welcome to the space man um do you want to talk about liquefy maybe hopefully
people can get excited about it and why you built it in the
first place that would be cool yeah um so i wanted to build something that would give the most
efficient liquidity for our native lsus on the radish ledger because i think going forward i
think um i know we have lsulp and lots of people use that for like collateral and
stuff. But I think going forward,
there's going to be a major use of even just random LSU validators,
just like the Astralis and LSU by itself or any of them really.
So basically what Liquefy does is it lets you provide XRD for liquidity,
but it's for any LSU.
So like you don't have to,
you don't have to create a pool
with just, you know,
every single LSU you want liquidity for.
And so there's a lot less just wasted,
idle XRD sitting out there.
And it's completely Oracle free.
You can just set the discount of the price.
You guys are all pretty much OGs here.
If you're holding LSUs, you can click in your wall and you can see at any point in time exactly how many xrd they're redeemable for so instead of an oracle i just base it upon a discount from that value
so it's all in terms of xrd it does not matter what price the xrd is at any point
yeah that's very cool man um no oracle dependency is a huge win for something like lsus as well
man um no oracle dependency is a huge win for something like lsus as well um i really hope this
gets an uptake because it is cool to have alternative products like this and you know
restaking or liquid staking is is quite a massive category in d5 right yeah it's like you know lito
out on eath is freaking huge jito and on solana is big uh i mean like uh sweland
has their own lsu on sweet and and there are actually a lot of risks about lsts that people
don't even know about like getting in and out of them you know um how much fees are involved, like the risks of de-pegging on other chains
that just simply don't exist here,
which is what is going to make LSUs
like a superior collateral for our ledger.
Absolutely.
Yeah, I think you've nailed that on the head, right?
The fact that you're able to just focus as a developer
on things that actually matter with the LSU rather than having
to worry about security, having to worry about oracles, all of these external dependencies
that shouldn't really be on the developer, right? Yeah, exactly. And it just makes things so
freaking easy. And one of the biggest updates, like I didn't even get to mainnet on my first iteration.
I just something about it that I just wasn't happy with.
But my most recent update allows people to put in liquidity.
And then it also incentivizes other users that once the liquidity is used, they can go back in and like re-add other people's liquidity for a small fee.
So it kind of lets you just add liquidity,
kind of set and forget it.
Very cool.
Yeah, that's like incentivizing more user access
into doing those actions, right?
Oh yeah, definitely.
If I don't have to worry about taking care of a position,
I'm much more likely to add liquidity add liquidity, which, you know,
Caviar has got the, you know, really nice pool for their LSU LP,
which is completely set and forgetting.
So I really wanted to have something along those lines, but eventually my plan
is to, once this is actually live,
I would like to aggregate the LSU LP instant on stake so that you know whatever you're unstaking
hopefully you know you get the best deal between Liquify and Caviar
that's very cool I mean that's just really good throughput right there I think bringing it full
circle back to LSU LP where there's such a large supply of it now, it just makes complete sense, right?
It's cool that you basically didn't release it in some ways.
It's a blessing in disguise. That's what it sounds like to kind of think of all of,
to come full circle in what's already in the ecosystem, right?
Yeah, definitely.
And I just, you know, I'm not in a rush or anything
and I just kind of like tinkering around with things.
So it just happened to work out.
And I want to definitely...
Tinker Toast token soon.
I definitely want to mention I'm going to be proposing to launch this under the Illus style.
So I know a lot of people here are members.
Oh, that's amazing. Oh, shit.
Yeah.
So like, you know, I'm hoping to get more testers and help with it because look, you know, if you're an illness holder, this is all the fees for this are going to go towards the same thing that, you know, like flux does where it allows you to burn FUSD and, and our claim FUSD and burn illness.
and burn illish so basically there's going to be a hopefully i mean assuming that this all passes
the dalvo and everything there's going to be some sort of mechanism to also increase the burn
pressure on illish to really uh utilize a platform what how have i not heard of this is this
yeah i'm really talking about publicly for you know just the past couple days but uh you know holy shit
yeah me and octo are still discussing some things and seeing the best way to
propose this and uh making sure it's a good deal for everybody wait that that is crazy news so i've
i think just for a bit of context for those that are just joining in we are talking about um i like it stable and the
liquify protocol possibly making a collaboration to further give more burns to illis yeah so not
financial advice but fucking pump illis boy I'm speaking then.
um so sorry i completely disconnected there again um but yeah that is huge news right there i think
that would be an amazing addition and it completes completely makes sense as i know
uh i like it stable has lSU as a collateral as well, right?
Well, actually they only have XRD and LSU LP
as collaterals for Flux right now.
But I think Octo has to really weigh the pros and cons
of adding more collaterals.
I think there was some technical reasoning,
but I think he's definitely
open to it but i think it kind of fits in the i like it stable idea you know um stability
good liquidity between lsu's and xrd's you know kind of similar i think you've thought of this
really well austin actually i think the fact that that you've considered the liquidity for LSULP,
but also thinking of collaborating with, I like it stable, DAO,
I think that you're making moves, man.
This is very cool.
And I think this is exactly what I've wanted to see
within the Radix ecosystem.
It's the sense of collaboration um the sense
of tinkering the sense of you know building basically together to create something very cool
um and you're making it happen so that's very cool man
heck yeah man we all are and shoot you know like you were saying earlier Rippy's down here
if y'all did y'all mint your uh your NFTs that he dropped today oh yes I have earlier, Rippy's down here. Did y'all mint your NFTs that he dropped today?
Yes, I have, actually.
Man, Rippy's fucking cooking so much shit.
Have you created a Terracotta army yet?
I tried.
There's actually, I think there was some issue
with interacting with Intense with Ledger.
I don't know if you're aware of that or not,
but I have to give it a shot after I move them off of my Ledger.
Oh, okay.
Oh, what?
Oh, okay.
No, I did everything from a hot wallet,
so I guess I didn't face that issue.
But, yeah, I mean, once you do probably get those bricks
onto a hot wallet or whatever,
you can test it out.
The NFTs that are coming out from there are insanely good.
The way they look.
I'm not even an NFT guy, but it looks so good, man.
Yeah, someone's going to come along and have some amazing NFT idea
with this craziness, with Intense off ledger data like the weather and
gian and and doing some really cool stuff with with nfts there's going to be some wild projects
coming from from what rippy's been doing yeah i mean speaking of tinkering have you had any
thoughts about leveraging sub intense in some way or i love to, but you gigabrain devs
gotta do this and like Rippy
and give me some open source stuff
cause y'all are on another level than me.
No, no dude, we have a bunch, Rippy and myself,
we've both got these gist things.
So you can basically copy paste and it should work in code um i'll send it to you
and and hopefully you can play around with that um will be cool to see what you cook once you
figure it out yeah i would love to make something with those i have no idea what yet but uh it's
it's too cool and too powerful not to yeah Yeah, it's definitely very cool stuff, right?
Yeah, hopefully you get to play around with it.
Once it clicks in your head, you're just like,
holy shit, I can do anything I want here.
Mostly everything, but you know what I mean.
Yeah, so that's Liquifyify and that's an insane announcement i really hope that
proposal goes through and is well written of course um i'll be keeping an eye on that
because i've got pretty huge illest bags um so yeah pump that shit um nfa of course so yeah i think that brings it on the hour holy shit it's already been an hour um despite me
cutting it off elon says the space is recording so i'm really hoping it continues to record so with that
has come to the end of it
any last words
on your side, fellow builders
Kangaderu and Austin
well, thanks for having me on the space
and not only pump your
bags, but please play
the Erratic's Kingdoms
buy KGL lads
well, yeah if you buy KGO, lads.
Well, yeah, if you buy too much,
then I think it becomes too expensive to play.
But, yeah, we'll just have to see.
Yeah, someone's running that price up today.
Oh, are they? Holy shit. Yeah, go look at the chart.
Well, it comes to a point where you can you can just
buy a kingdom uh get the 1500 uh k gold out pay the fee and still make it properly
oh you heard it here from the man himself
the kingdom is just 600 so i mean oh god i'm just waiting for someone to exploit the shit out of what you
just said now well yeah we still make money from selling kingdoms i don't make money yeah
that's true that's by those kingdoms by those kingdoms but buy kingdom gold nfa of course
but yeah yeah everyone did buy it holy crap It's gone to all-time high, I think.
Oh, it could be.
I don't take a look at the price because I don't have...
I think I have one in my wallet that didn't go into liquidity.
That's about it.
All right.
We shall see where it goes.
Tutor has some team-related K-gold.
But yeah, that's for marketing and some paying of bills
and like hosting and stuff like that.
But that's about it.
Fair enough, man.
I'm really interested
to see where this goes off
in this space now
since you mentioned that.
But yeah, thanks for coming.
Austin, any last words from you?
Yeah, man. Everyone in the space needs to go mint the kingdom and then they need to go buy some bricks and mint one of those talax
nfts for rippy and then spend 30 seconds testing liquefy and tell me something to change about it
and then we're good that is a very good summary, guys.
Buy Kingdom Gold, create Radix Kingdoms at radixkingdoms.com.
Test out Liquify at Liquify...
Oh, God, I'm so bad at that.
LiquifyXrd.app.
There we go. LiquifyXrd.app.
Give Austin feedback, and I'm excited to see this go live hopefully um thanks
for tuning in everyone and uh it's been great uh once again having builders on to save my breath
but most importantly as well um thanks for coming on austin and kangaderu and mostly of course
thank you to the radix community for staying on and staying
tuned. Hopefully you get to see me next week as well, if you like me and shit. But yeah,
retweet the space. Thanks for tuning in, everyone. See you all later. Thank you.
