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🚨Crypto News Bitcoin & More
Recorded: Feb. 12, 2026 Duration: 4:06:17Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion, crypto enthusiasts explored the evolving landscape of AI integration in various sectors, the challenges faced by centralized exchanges, and the potential for growth in the crypto market, particularly with Bitcoin. The conversation highlighted trends in technology adoption, the impact of economic conditions on consumers, and the importance of strategic partnerships in driving innovation.
Full Transcription
Music Thank you. Music Thank you. Music Thank you. here we go once again guys let me make sure i got my mic right oh let's see here
here we go
damn i can't
alright sorry about this
ok yeah we're good wide spectrum
let's go
I need about one or two more minutes
get this show going
get some other computers
fired up but I got a banger
I got a fucking banger son this is how we
do it around here you know and so this is what's so funny like there's somebody gonna listen this
song and you're gonna think I'm living in some old rusty ass goddamn house or some old rusty ass
double wide like some of these fake motherfuckers online but like i
really you know i think about it sometimes i wake up and i wake up and i fucking go to my big
beautiful refrigerator and i wake up in that big beautiful bed and i realize man like who gives
like it's not i don't realize it's like it's not that i realize, it's just like, man, you can think I'm Dumbo the elephant, bro.
And that doesn't mean I got big ears in a trunk.
So let's go. and out of town. Me, I'm sitting on the hood of mine drinking.
I'm just a parking lot down an outer.
Under that high school bleacher
I drove that preacher's
dog crazy.
Her mama was my homeroom teacher
and her dad was here bent on saving me.
Yeah, I'm sure there's higher highs where the high risers rise.
For me, I'm gonna sit right here tonight.
I'm gonna sit right here now
And catch me around here, boys
Cause you ain't around here, no
Keep pulling on downhill, nothing around here
Till my downhills are lit up like that one stop
Across the matter where I come from
Ever since you caught that after, bud
Now catch me around here, bud
Never had big city eyes
Hell, I've never been east of Dallas
Got no idea where you are now
If you ever got that penthouse palace
No Scotty's ain't got no back
Got no gas in his neon light
But he's got two for one till two now
Catch me around here, boys
Cause you ain't around here, none
Just puttin' on down here, another round here
To turn back down, oh, yo
Little black and one stack of light
Crossin' that way, I can never sign it
Ever since you caught that after bug
I catch me around with bugs
Yeah. I Catch me around here, bud.
Around here, bud.
Catch me around here, bud.
Yo, man, hopefully y'all could hear that good. But I know it's going to be much better this weekend because it looks like I get my Rodecaster and my mic and everything tomorrow, which is really going to be cool. Let me bring the speakers.
You know what, man? I'm going to tell you something. I did something last night for the very first time ever in 12 years. Well, I guess last night would have been the 11th,
so to five days.
I've had it done to me and I gave the person their money back.
But last night was the very first time
ever
that I've ever sent money
to the wrong,
I didn't even send it to the wrong address, man.
I sent money
on the wrong chain, right, I sent it, I sent money on the wrong, but I was sending to a centralized,
not exchange, but something like a centralized exchange, something similar, and i uh so i was supposed to send a hundred dollars worth of usdc
and i did send a hundred dollars worth of usdc but i was supposed to and i was supposed to send
it on the ethereum chain but they got it on the avax chain and now these fuckers are acting like
they can't go get it they're talking about like you can tell these guys are for some third world
country they're telling me to contact my wallet provider and i'm like bro come on man i can't fucking stop the
blockchain bro your address your your ethereum based address that same key will fucking that
same key that very same key to that address it controls controls your fucking AVAX address, bro. Don't play dumb with me.
Transfer, like, like, like, fulfill your end of the bargain, man. And then they responded back
again with a generic same thing. Contact your wallet provider. And I'm like, I took a screenshot
of all the money I sent them over the last three years, which is thousands and thousands of dollars. And I'm surprised that they haven't just credited my account, but they said they're
going to, evidently they're using a third party service. It's not even their keys. It's not even
their address. Like they're using a middleman for their payments. And when you send payment on the
blockchain.
So I thought about that, man.
That's why I'm bringing this up.
It's not so much to tell y'all my business, but to explain like, there you go.
That's the future here.
You're going to literally have people using.
We already have people using a centralized entity that sells millions of dollars worth of
services like like they said millions of dollars worth of services right i'm not going to get into
who the entity is but they accept okay so i don't know if they actually get if they get paid in all
of the services like you could pay with credit card you could pay with
all different kinds of ways right but like they're a crypto type of service so you're gonna fit what
you're gonna figure is probably 80 90 percent of the payments are paid in crypto because they're
a crypto service right so but even this crypto service is using a third party to collect their payments so now they've got
to contact the third party and get them to go and retrieve it so like that's just like that's crypto
that's crypto um i don't know what you call that, man. Like, I guess not your keys, not your coin,
like not like not your keys, not your coins. Even that company like couldn't verify, like they
could verify because I sent them the transaction and I'm like, look, bro, you see the wallet
address. That was the EF wallet address. Correct? They said correct. Look at my transaction.
Here's the sole.
Here's from my easy.eTH wallet.
Here's my sole.
I mean, here's my fucking, what is it called?
Snow scan or whatever the fuck ever AVAX scan is.
And I'm like, here you go.
Here's your 100.
Here's the 100 was sent.
I sent you $101.
Like, I even sent you a dollar more, bitch.
You know what I mean?
You only wanted 100 and I sent you 101 because it's like sent you $1 more, bitch. You know what I mean? You only wanted $100, and I sent you $101
because that's just always what I do.
I always do that.
I always do that, bro.
I've always paid my bills that way.
Always.
My whole life.
Man, shit.
I do a closing, and I'll send $500, $600 extra
just to make sure that motherfucker,
the attorney will send me my goddamn refund. and I'll send $500, $600 extra just to make sure that motherfucker, right?
The attorney will send me my goddamn refund.
I've always done that, man.
If I had a bill like at an insurance company for $642.67, man, I'd pay $645.
Like I literally paid the $3,
like I just rounded up to the $5.
I've always done that. It's just something I've done ever to the $5. I've always done that.
It's just something I've done ever since I was young.
I've always did it, you know?
Yeah, man, I remember paying off a mortgage one time
and they're saying, okay, you owe,
and I forget what the number is,
but it wasn't like a lot of money,
but it was like, I don't know,
like $13,000 and some change. That's what was
left on the mortgage. And just out of habit through my whole life, like I round the number.
So what the mortgage wouldn't, like electronically, it wouldn't take my payment.
And I'm like, fuck, why won't y'all take my payment?
So then I tried it again, tried it again. I got frustrated. I tried it the next day.
And they were like, man, you got to go to, um, you like the pop-up would say, you need to go to
a branch, blah, blah, blah. Here's a, here's one of our mortgage branches near you or whatever.
And when I went in there and I was like, man, I'm trying to pay this mortgage off. And I was like, what the fuck? I was like, oh, by the way, are you going to
reimburse me for my last six or seven days interest that I was paying on the loan? Because
you could see in the computer where I'm trying to pay it off. And they were like, well, let us take
a look. And that's what they told me. They said what it was is like any other time throughout the loan
you can pay extra all you want but to close the loan the system won't let you pay no more than
what the loan is and and I never thought of that when it was giving me the payoff I was just doing
the payoff at like five dollars or seven whatever I just rounded up to like the nearest dollar.
But yeah, so again, that's a trip how in crypto, like I just assumed today whenever I realized,
I woke up today and I realized I haven't got my service from them, then I realized,
oh, oh, here's what I did. I sent the fucking, and i don't know how i did it i think my wallet was just on excuse me my wallet was just on it must have been toggled to uh avax
and you know i keep usdc on all chains so i just i don't know how I did it, but that's how
I had to do it.
But yeah, that's how
I had to do it.
Let me type this in.
But man, I swear I've never
I've never
I've never I've never I've never I've swear I've never.
And I said, man, this is the first time I've made that mistake.
Now, I did have a guy that was a doctor.
Called himself a doctor.
A real doctor.
So I might remember him.
He shows up every time, every now and then talks here.
And every time he comes up, because you don't see him for like 6, him for like six seven eight nine ten months he'll come up and tell the story about
how he met me so i had a tip wallet i had a tip wallet and he had tipped me multiple tips like
two or three times this was back in the get money crew days. We had to get
money crew. Oh, notorious. Okay. So, and what me and the tourists would do, I like, I put, I put a
wallet out there and I would always just like, whatever I get, I'd split it with, uh, with, uh,
notorious. And he would always say, man, I don't want it. He would be like, I tell you, you know what he would say? Like, he didn't want the tip. He would be like, easy, buy some crypto and make us some money. And then
when you make some money, then we'll split it. Right. Which was pretty cool of the way of thinking
about it. Right. But that's how he did. But anyway, not to get too much into our business. But anyway, so this doctor guy, he literally sent me $20,000
fucking dollars. Okay. Now he sent me like $7,000 of the coin. That's about the value of the coin
at the time he sent it to me. It was some meme coin. It was some coin. It was some coin. He literally sent me that coin. Okay, well,
what was happening is, is he meant, he didn't mean to send it to me. Like, he had copied and pasted
my tip wallet or whatever, and I guess it was, like, saved on his, I'm assuming basically he could tell the story better,
but on his right click save or whatever the fuck.
He sends me $7,000 worth of a cryptocurrency.
And this motherfucking like two days later, two days later, this shit's like $20,000, $21,000.
Now this guy's reaching out to me.
The first thing I said, man, I think you're a scammer.
I think you're a scammer.
I ain't giving you this money.
Okay, then he said, no, I'm not a scammer.
Easy.
Like, I've tipped you three or four times.
I didn't even know he tipped me, right? It's not like people say, hey, I just not a scammer. Easy. Like I've tipped you three or four times. I didn't even know he
tipped me, right? It's not like people say, I just tipped you. Like we, I would do shows and
people would send back in the get money crew days. They would just send the tip money in.
And he said, listen, I'm going to show you where I paid you before. And I looked and I was like,
oh yeah, you have paid me. And then I said, man, you know what? If you're fucking real,
here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to send the money back to the wallet that sent me the money.
And he's like, hey, that's fine.
That's all I want you to do.
I said, so I ain't sending you the money unless you, like, I'm, like, see,
I thought it was a scammer, like, seeing my tip jar and then was trying to scam
me out of my big tip, you know what I mean?
So I said, fuck it. I sent the fucking, and then I figured if it was somebody trying to scam me out of my big tip. You know what I mean? So I said, fuck it.
I sent the fucking,
and then I figured if it was somebody trying to tip me that,
they would have just sent it back to me, right?
So I sent it to him.
Sure enough, he texted me, said, I got it.
Appreciate it, man.
And then I think he sent me like 500 bucks.
You know what I mean?
But so I've never,
that's the only experience I've ever had
with money going to the wrong address
was somebody sent it to me.
And again, I gave it back.
Some of y'all from the Get Money Crew days will probably remember that.
And whoever that doctor was, he was a doctor.
And sometimes he would come up and say shit.
And I'd like, like, he'd be one of them guys.
I'd like fucking block him then I'd
unblock him like a day or two later he trips he laughs about it you know I mean he's highly
educated doctor he laughs about it he's like easy you're the only motherfucker I know will cuss me
out cuss me he said and I'll still like you two or three days later after you done cussed me out but anyway so yeah i had that experience man uh just sharing that
with y'all um so and as of right now i ain't got my money back um and again the the service
the reason why is because that service is using a third like it's a crypto service that's using a third-party service to collect their payments.
It's like, wow, bro.
What the fuck?
But anyway, man, so what's going on, Star?
What's going on, Star?
What's going on, Star?
Hey, how you doing, how you doing pretty good man
well um man i just i get into these your guys's chat rooms i was really trying to get with
c casa i was inside of i think you were inside of it yesterday with enoch but i'm really interested
in these the the open claw if we could get that going on the discussion i was have to throw off the conversation i'm really excited about that i just got the
the the the apple laptop and everything i'm trying to get into it real real you know so i don't have
a clue on what you're talking about you're basically talking chinese to me i don't know
anything about that i'm not willing i'm willing to learn, especially you said CKASA knows about it.
Like, I'm willing to learn.
I don't assume, but I don't even, or maybe I do know about it, and I'm just not, because you said he knocked too.
So, I'm thinking, what in the world?
I haven't talked to he knock.
So, I don't know.
What did you say it was called again?
Open claw, where everybody's building their their
ai agents and everything oh i have heard i mean i don't remember hearing open claw but i think i do
i people talking about uh uh building their ai agents and shit right yeah i get yeah i guess
and that was a cool story by by the way, about sending back
that person's money. That's some stand-up shit.
I like that.
A lot of people don't like that.
That's good karma, man.
And I heard in another space you said
you were a convict, right? You had been to the joint?
Yeah, thank you for
saying that, man. I think
I'm exactly right.
I'm a convict.
You're exactly right.
Me too, homeboy.
I got 10.
You get me, right?
Straight up.
There's a big difference in that term, right?
Yeah, that's how you show somebody respect.
We ain't a goddamn criminal.
We're not.
We're convicts.
It's a big difference
some of these pussies on the internet
like you said man I just got goosebumps
like you said people make mistakes though you know what I mean
that's all and they make
changes too
no go ahead I'm sorry I didn't
no I said if they're smart
correct
correct that's exactly right No, I said if they're smart. Correct. Correct.
That's exactly right.
That's exactly right.
My question to the group
is how do we make some money
on this open claw, man?
I'm really excited about this stuff.
Okay, let me do this.
Let me do this.
I think there's a delay
because let me change my mic real quick and
Look
Cicasa more than welcome
Cicasa is more than welcome to speak about it. I don't know
This is basically I believe like I ain't trying to dox him or not
But like this is like this is like midday for him. Like it's 630 right now. My time.
Probably the time like kids are getting out of school, you know, getting ready for get maybe still at work.
You still got a couple.
So he's about, I think, four hours behind me.
So it's like 230.
I think his time like it's 230 his time in the day.
It's 630 my time.
So a lot of times he does come up and speak but it's a little later like normally
like when it'll be like 10 o'clock my time or something 10 11 my time usually but who knows
he's here but listen would you like to talk about it you're more than welcome to like
like i'll just say like it's gonna i won't be able to add nothing into it, into the conversation.
Like, I'm a little bit skeptical of these personal AI agents.
Like, I don't know what you give them access to.
Like, because I have heard people talking about that.
And they're like, hey, man, you know, watch what you give these uh ai agents access to like on your computer now i did have a personal i did have a personal one and i still got one
that's still in the box i bought two now this was something bobby zoo told me about about a year ago
zoo told me about about a year ago they're called rabbits so i bought two of them and i never like
i used one of them for a week or two um but again i would only be able it would only work if i
connected it to wi-fi like i was you're get a plan, like an internet plan for them or
whatever. So then you can just basically, if you're out in the field or if you're at a customer's
house, if you're here, there, in your truck, you just take it with you everywhere you go.
And then at the end of the day, you can have it help you throughout the day. And that's why I bought it.
I personally bought it for that reason.
Like, you know, let it summarize my day.
You know, you know, like I could ask it questions.
I was trying to use it for my business.
Right. And.
Something something happened and I can't remember exactly what it was,
but it was like one of them fear factor type of things, man. So,
I took it, and I asked someone, I said, you don't mind that I'm recording this,
and they said, what is it, AI?
And I said, yeah.
And they said, no, I don't.
And it was like, wow, I ain't never had nobody tell me that.
And what was so funny, right around that same time,
like literally right around that same time,
I went to a doctor's appointment.
And the doctor brought one out different.
Like it wasn't a rabbit,
or whatever the name of that little thing's called.
It was different, but it was AI.
And I had to sign a piece of paper,
giving it permission.
And then now they use it at every visit, everything.
everything like and the doctor uses the ai thing uh and like it helps the doctor with my health
And the doctor uses the AI thing.
care right you know i mean with or whatever i don't even know what the it does but i just said
fuck it i'll give the doctor permission right to use ai have y'all experienced that have y'all been
to somewhere like a doctor or something like that and the doctors now using ai like the thing is basically as you're talking to the doctor and the
doctor's like whatever they're doing you know saying hey we're gonna adjust this medication
we're gonna like the ai is taking it all in when you're telling the doctor oh you know uh my heart
rate's this you know and because you know because doctor says, okay, check your pulse and blood pressure after each walk or for next week to eight o'clock in the morning or whatever or before you go to bed or whatever it is they say to do.
It's like the AI, the AI is like helping them.
I don't know.
I think I heard Jason talk about this,
but I think it's actually pretty cool
that my doctor is doing that.
And it's probably, and again,
my doctor has been doing that
for probably about maybe a year now, because I think it was about this time last year, maybe a year now.
Because I think it was about this time last year.
Maybe a little less.
But yeah.
But man, also, yeah.
Also, what's going on with Coinbase?
They had their earnings report came out today.
But man, I had to back away from this computer today man
like i'll be honest with you man you know some of this shit just gets like and i think x like
x somehow feeds me the bullshit man like man it's just like i'm reading shit and i'm like man why is
x doing this to me i'm sitting here reading these LARPs. LARPs online.
LARPs online.
LARPs online.
LARPs online.
And then one LARP replies to the other LARP.
The next LARP replies to the other LARP.
And I don't listen, bro.
I come from a world where I don't know how to talk to people.
Right?
Because there's a lot of intelligent people here.
And what they would do is they would just respond with facts and make the people look dumb.
But see me, I don't really know how to do that.
I just want to say, bro, you're a motherfucking idiot, bitch.
And where do I meet idiots?
Over the years, they swept my fucking warehouse floor, bro.
That's the truth.
These motherfuckers swept my goddamn warehouse floor, bro. That's the truth. These motherfuckers swept my goddamn warehouse floor, bro.
I'm not bullshitting you, man.
Where have I met them?
Fucking McDonald's drive-thru and fucking Hardee's drive-thru.
And where else have you met them?
Goddamn stocking a shelf at Walmart or something.
You know what I mean?
Let's be real about it.
I just don't have the patience.
And I'm going to give y'all an example. All these people up here crying about Brian Armstrong selling the goddamn
stock. Well, what you don't know, that's sold in like a blind trust, bro. You could see the filing.
Anyone, like anyone that had any sizable investment, it was filed with the SEC a year prior.
They're like, they're 10,
I think the term is a 10,
fuck, a 1051B.
I think that's it.
And I'm probably wrong on that
because it just won't come off my head.
But what it is, is a filing
where what happens is,
is you say, hey, as I want to sell my head. But what it is, is a filing where what happens is, is you say, hey, as I want to
sell my stock. But what it's going to do is there's going to be like a you don't even get to
sell it that day. You might have to wait 90 days before you can ever sell a penny of it.
And then what it's going to do is it's going to automatically sell you that stock, sell that stock for you over a 10 month period, nine month period.
So it's almost how the fucking the CEO can't dump on your goddamn head like these LARPs that are talking about it do when they launch their own coin and dump on your fucking head.
and dump on your fucking head.
Like, it's almost like the CEO's stock is in custody
and is being sold off.
So like, and these things are filed, right?
So when you invest in publicly traded companies,
these are things that you do.
It's called you do your homework.
You D-Y-O-R and you do your homework.
So these so and people are saying, well, you know, Coinbase was selling the shares at a 40.
No, bro.
Like, like this was known.
This is a filing.
This is this is how it's done.
how it's done. Like, what are you talking about? You don't even know what you're talking about.
Like, what are you talking about?
You don't even know what you're talking about.
Like, and see, like, like to just basically confront some of these dumbasses
and, and to talk to them and, and really put them in their place. You're claiming to be
financial guru here and you don't even fucking understand the stock sale. You don't even fucking understand the stock sell. You don't even understand that investors knew been knowing about this for for for 10 months.
It's been in the quarterly filings that he's going to sell.
And he doesn't even get to pick the fucking price.
The shares are sold at.
Like you're going to say, I want to sell this amount of shares, and you do that filing,
and listen, the stock price could drop 50% from now. It could go up from now. It's sold,
and I'm probably not even explaining it that well, but what my whole point is here, man,
you got these financial gurus. All these motherfuckers, all of them are worth fucking.
They got $42 million in Solana.
They got $90 million to $150 million in ETH.
They got $50,000 shoes, bro.
They got $200,000 watches.
They got fucking million dollars.
And they're posting on X with 100 and some thousand, 200,000, 300,000 followers, bro.
And they open up rooms and they get the same amount of fucking people in their room is a guy that's got 0.0001% of what they've got and pull the same amount of people again.
Again, like.
It's all just bullshit.
It's all bullshit.
Never even thought about it until the other day when when when blue was in
here and blue said man you realize some of them guys is daddy's money like they do whatever they
want then when they when when the shit hits the fan daddy pays for it right which i don't know
like i've never that really never even crossed my mind but but when Blue said it, it did. But my whole point is, man, my whole point is, well, you know financial instruments.
You are a leader in this industry.
And honestly, I don't think they're telling lies.
They're not telling lies. They're not telling lies.
They're not saying nothing as a lie.
It's that it's like you don't know you're the dumbest motherfucker in the room.
You don't know you're dumb.
You like my daddy say, if you like motherfuckers won't know, son, unless you open your mouth.
Right.
He'd say something like I forget what the term was he'd say.
But what I'm thinking is, it must be 85 to 95 to 98% of the people don't know nothing,
so they can just spout off. But us 2% or 3% of the people here on this planet,
we know some shit when it comes to finances, bro. we understand it and we can understand what you're saying is stupid.
But 99% of the people don't.
And it's think, oh, you thinking that, that, that, that, that Brian Armstrong just started selling the stock as a panic selling it as it went down.
What they would make you to believe.
And let me look up the fucking term too, by the way, guys.
So, so listen, this will help because let me look up the fucking term uh hold on uh where is
it at okay um shit dude when i want something at my fingertips,
okay, but I'm going to help y'all. Like you're going to learn something.
And it's something to look forward.
It's something to look at, right?
Okay, so let me see.
Okay.
Okay, so what it is, it's a trading plan. It's an SEC rule. This is a rule. It's called a 10B-5-1.
That form is filed with the SEC.
It is a report that has to be filed so many days before you could even sell the stock.
And this stock, and think of it like it's an independent party that's actually hitting the sell button.
And Brian Armstrong doesn't even get to pick the price he wants to sell at, bro.
Brian Armstrong doesn't even get to pick the price he wants to sell at, bro.
Because you don't know what the future price is going to be when you have like a 30 or a 90 days before you can ever sell the first share.
You can say, and I want to sell these shares over a year, this amount of shares.
And it's sold that way.
And guess what?
Anybody. But see, here's the thing, bro.
They don't have $40 million worth of Solana. They got 19, 20, 30, 40, 60 fucking Solana counts with $242 in it, $500, $600, $400, $300, $1,700. They don't have 90 million. They don't have multimillion dollar cars.
And they might have a real watch or it could be a fake watch.
But that ain't shit.
I've seen guys start a business and go out and get a fucking $150,000 dump truck.
A fucking $110,000 fucking Bobcat. and a goddamn $200,000 backhoe.
Like, so to put a goddamn fucking $90,000 watch on your arm is just a tool to do business with here, bro.
But they don't have nothing. The car is leased. They got a lease payment.
Like, they rent their apartment, and what they do is whenever they want it, fuck it.
I'm just leaving.
And that's my whole point, man.
My whole point is,
and then on top of that,
bitch, we were here
five years before Binance ever launched, bro.
We were here.
We've seen the fuckery that Binance does.
We know.
So that's okay.
That's okay.
That's okay.
Now, could I sit here and hold space after space and say what Binance has done good?
Of course.
Of course I could.
Like there's pros and cons to everything.
And I think the unbiased.
Well I don't know.
I think we all have bias.
Of course I probably got biased to Coinbase.
Because I'm a shareholder.
Of course.
And guess what.
It's more than your goddamn Solana wallet.
I guarantee it.
I guarantee that.
These KOLs.
What a lot of people don't realize. It's no different than the pencil pusher, whatever.
Like it's no different than the fucking guy works with a shovel.
It's no different.
Like it is their job.
So where is the misconception that these people one year's work?
Well, then guess what?
Everybody would be KOLs. Everybody would come here, work one bull market
and be set for life. It's bullshit. It's feast or famine.
Them guys spend the goddamn money as fast as they make it and they're not getting
paid what the motherfuckers tell you they're getting paid either.
Motherfuckers will tell you, oh, it's $400,000,
$600,000. Bro,'s a $400,000, $600,000.
Bro, like it's $30,000, $50,000 some of these deals.
And they'll act like it's a half a million.
It's $20,000.
I've been there, done, done it.
And a lot of these people, it's $50 a tweet, bro.
It's $50 a tweet.
Like has there been sometimes?
Like I heard Yazan say about? Like, I heard Yazan say
about the, and I believe Yazan,
but I heard him talk about
gambling places
where they show their win-loss ratio
and everything. They contacted him,
and they were like, and like, he kept
telling them, no, they went all the way up to
$400 a tweet.
Like, he'd basically have to tweet out tweet out like he really won all this money.
Like, oh, I just won all this on Robit or whatever it was, whatever the fucking gamble.
And that's came out of his own mouth.
These guys that have the little square badge beside their name that the gambling badge
like bro, bro, you're big baller.
And bro, you're just like trying to get a badge. You're trying to get a badge. You're trying to get a badge, bro, you're big baller. And bro, you're just like trying to get a badge.
You're trying to get a badge.
You're trying to get a badge, bro.
You're trying to get a badge.
Like you have to like, like the more people talk here, the more they tell on themselves.
The more they talk, the more they tell on themselves.
Now, here's the thing.
It's okay not to understand.
It's okay not to understand. It's okay not to understand.
Like, bro, it's okay not to understand
how Coinbase, Brian Armstrong,
is going to sell his stock,
especially if you're not even invested.
Like, you don't have to know that.
But these people are claiming
to be the crim of the crim.
These people are claiming
to be the smartest of the smartest. These people are claiming to be the smartest of the smartest.
These people are claiming to know it all. So that's the difference, guys. I'm not just saying
if you didn't know this, you're dumb, I'm smart. No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm actually
saying you shouldn't even fucking know it unless you've been in the stock market industry and you
fucking invest there like you shouldn't
know but but what i'm saying is you can't have it both ways you can't say that you know everything
and then what what literally comes out on the timeline and comes out your mouth is actually
false but the fact you could get away with it because 98 of the people don't even know what you're saying is false. Right?
Does anybody else know what a 10B5-1 trading plan is?
Do you even understand what that means?
Like, why publicly companies?
Like, why?
No, it's these exchanges like Maxi, Binance, not even CZ, but Binance, Maxi.
I'm not even saying CZ.
Binance, Maxi, KuCoin.
All these motherfuckers do the shit.
They're not regulated, bro.
They're the ones that have done the fucked up shit over the years, guys.
I'm just being real with you.
They're the ones that fucking do the shit in the
dark like like the publicly traded company is not fucking dumping their stock on your fucking head
like like these motherfuckers rug pull you on their fucking when they own 90 of the supply of
the goddamn coin man like what's up correct how buddy? Yeah. Yeah. I just wanted to touch base with you because even though I made fun of these motherfuckers,
I didn't call them KOLs and all this shit.
The other fucking night, I'm in the space and this KOL comes in.
I'm like, you KOL motherfucker.
And I'm repeating your space because I love your space because I didn't even have this
material, right?
And I'm like, here's where you're
wrong here's why you're a KOL here's where you're getting paid here's why oh dude he couldn't take
it and I wanted to call him out and let you like I want to bring him up here I want to bring him
on your space but um he's a fucking trip but I don't I don't want to do that to you or your or your listeners but
at the same time i do right and as far as like well they're probably not going to come up anyway
well either way like i'll call this motherfucker up we'll get him on but i i i came to this conclusion of and I didn't want to call out their raise against finance but
I was calling out coinbase we're like okay these fucking people go oh blackrock just sold I have, you know, Bitcoin, whatever. No, dude, they own
Coinbase
a lot of money.
I'm here, correct. What's up?
I'm here, correct. Hit me with it.
Yeah.
They own Coinbase a lot of money.
So if they sold a bunch of
Bitcoin
on Coinbase,
they own Coinbase,
then Coinbase has to sell the money
to get the money.
So are you referring to Jason
correct?
Absolutely not.
I would never do that to Jason.
But Jason,
he's game up every time I'm here.
I'm here.
I heard you calling out Coles. I'm up here. I'm here. I heard you calling out Kohl's.
I'm up here.
I'm here.
I love you, man.
But on a serious note,
very serious note,
what you're saying
is correct.
It's somewhat correct. You're correct.
It's like if BlackRock
holds
custody of
other people's bitcoin so technically a black rock selling the bitcoin it's people that are
selling the shares of black rock and then black rock sells the bitcoin okay so it's not black
rock dumping same way with probably finance it's not black rock dumping. Same way with probably finance. It's not finance. Like just saying like now. But basically when black rock, right. You're absolutely correct. To a point, to a point, to a point, right. When it comes now, but the difference is we got to make sure, hold on, hold on. Correct. The difference is we got to make sure we're comparing apples to apples you're
talking about one is a publicly traded company versus these private uh cryptos exchanges obscured
somewhere on this planet you don't even know where they're located what jurisdiction what laws they
have to follow and so you really can't compare the two it's like jason i know you know the rule uh 10b5 uh like
when when when you want to sell stock of your publicly traded company people are acting as if
brian armstrong is dumping on everyone's head when no bro that filing was filed over almost a year
ago 11 12 months ago uh so shareholders knew he would be selling it was in the filings
like it
well like last night
Jason blew my mind
I didn't even think of that
I didn't even know about
oh so there was something last night
okay I need to hear about this
what the fuck was it
whatever you said that company was
i looked into it but but i was thinking coinbase where blackrock got all their money in the crypto
through coinbase right like they paid like that's their way in that's why coinbase is
a golden standard right now oh Oh, we got BlackRock fucking
backing them up like they ain't going nowhere.
Fuck Binance.
Fuck Crypto.com
or fuck all these
other people.
BlackRock's in.
BlackRock goes
these fucking LARPs.
Oh, BlackRock just sold fucking this much
Bitcoin. No, dude. They paid off fucking Coinbase. Oh, BlackRock just sold fucking this much Bitcoin.
No, dude.
They paid off fucking Coinbase.
Oh, Coinbase just sold all this Bitcoin.
They were just getting their money. I don't think you're really helping too much, Craig.
Now you're going on the other side.
And what you're saying is actually not factual.
You know what I mean?
They don't know Coinbase.
But you're probably making a term
in your language that what you're understanding what you're trying to say but yeah but but i'll
tell you something i do want to say something and we were we were we had a space going last night
and and jason you were about to say something and the fucking shit rugged on us, man.
I opened up another space right away.
About 50% of the people come back, but you didn't make it back.
Man, I had like three or four DMs, man.
Motherfucker's like, why'd you rug it right in front?
I was like, dude, I didn't intentionally do that.
That's why I opened up a space.
Like, like I had like three people DM me.
They thought they were like, uh uh you know what i'm talking about
from last night like let me let me keep listening and maybe uh you guys will fire me up i've been
i had a i had uh car logistics issues today and for some reason i had to drive a lamborghini five
hours and oh my god your back's hurt bro yeah i gotta tell you that ain't no damn fun it just isn't so i'm at the gym
right now trying to get moving so you guys so what you did what you just did right what you did
probably i'm assuming i'm assuming because i don't know well maybe you picked the right one
but i'm assuming that you basically doubled the miles on the car, right? Because I know sports car, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Hell yeah, dude.
I mean, it was all on the highway, so it wasn't a big deal.
But I just don't do that.
I don't drive those cars like that.
It was retarded.
And it's not comfortable.
I mean, it's essentially just a tractor, an Italian tractor that I'm driving down the road.
Yeah.
It took me like three and a half years to get 2,700 miles. There you go. It took me three and a half years to get that road. Yeah. It took me like three and a half years to get 2,700 miles.
There you go.
It took me three and a half years to get that much.
Yeah.
But anyway, just keep talking, and I'll keep listening,
and somebody will say something retarded, and I'll jump on it.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, let's let Craig go, because he was saying something about you last night.
Yeah, Craig was talking kind of retarded, so just keep going, Craig.
Yeah.
No, right?
So, like, he blew my mind last night, and I'm a conspiracy theory guy,
and then he went off like, I'm a conspiracy
theory guy, and I'm like, dude, this is my shit.
Right?
I love it.
Do you even see that?
And I wanted to bring it back up,
and we tried to get through
your second space, but we didn't have him here
but Jason
here but
I was looking at a week earlier
like
and what was happening
with
Hey bro, you gotta adjust
all you want
You got to
Hey, hey, hey.
You have to...
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
Yes, yes, goddamn.
Please.
Like, it's terrible.
Like, connect your shit.
Do whatever you gotta do, bro.
There you go reconnect bro or was it me was it me guys was if it was me i take
the blame no he was rugged he was rugged fully okay okay just making sure what's up alex yo
what's up not easy yo really quick i just just wanted to add into what you and Correct were talking about with Coinbase and BlackRock.
I mean, well, for one, BlackRock, it's not that their shareholders are selling and then they have to sell Bitcoin.
They're custodians that they're they're monitoring the money for which are big institutions and big
money funds if those guys say hey we need to sell today or we need to cover some money for the etf or
we need to cover for our custodians whatever then blackrock has to sell under those guys's basis
they just sell only because they're a custodian and that's for the whole coinbase holds their money
that's because coinbase they have um like their own private coinbase money fund that they hold
for big institutions like black rock like micro strategy like bigger institutions not just you
know small traders even guys with billions of dollars they don't make it there it's only like
the huge institutions holding multi billions of dollars right and so coinbase only sells if
blackrock tells them hey you custodian this you have to sell because our institutions that we
manage these funds for they told us to sell or they got to cover these fees
so then they it's not you know coin So then it's not Coinbase selling.
It's Coinbase is their custodian
and then they sell through BlackRock's permission.
The same way if MicroStrategy ever has to sell,
Coinbase holds, I think, well over 50% of their Bitcoin.
It would be the same thing.
Go ahead, Jason.
Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were done.
Oh, no, go ahead. sorry. I thought you were done. Oh, no. Go ahead.
No, I thought you were done.
That was pretty much the just a bit.
That was pretty much the just a bit. Go ahead, Jason.
Yeah, Alex, I like what you're saying.
So let's professionalize this a bit.
So Coinbase
is a qualified custodian, and
pension funds,
publicly traded companies,
institutions, they have to put their... If they're going to get in crypto, they have to have a qualified custodian hold the crypto.
They can't be, they can't put it in cold storage.
They can't hold it themselves.
They can't have, put it on an exchange.
And it's not on Coinbase.
You guys have to remember, their custodian, the qualified custodian is a separate business.
It gets SOC1, SOC2 audits. It's a totally different business if coinbase goes bankrupt
All of that money segregated Oh, well real quick just to add on to that
It's not only coinbase that's the main custodian is also I don't know if you guys know this fidelity
Custodians the most Bitcoin out of any institution. They literally custodian 50 50 with coinbase
They also the 50% that coinbase doesn't have with I mean microodian 50 50 with coinbase they also the 50 that coinbase
doesn't have with i mean microstrategy doesn't have a coinbase they have a fidelity and vice
versa with blackrock but yeah that's it go ahead jason go ahead that's not true.
I think, no, wait, wait, wait, wait.
You're saying Fidelity is the largest custodian of crypto?
No, Fidelity holds one of the largest custodians for Bitcoin.
That's right.
That's what I just said.
Strategy and BlackRock.
Okay, so let me walk it back again.
Okay, my bad, my bad.
I didn't get you.
My bad, brother.
You're saying Fidelity is the largest custodian of crypto.
No, no, no.
They're one of the largest custodians
for Coinbase and BlackRock's Bitcoin, not crypto.
All right.
Just their Bitcoin.
All right, because these custodians
manage multiple assets, not just Bitcoin.
But okay, I know that they're a these custodians manage multiple assets, not just Bitcoin. But okay,
I know that they're a qualified custodian as well, because Charles Schwab is the largest
custodian for registered investments and RIAs in the world. So just so, it was strange what
you're saying, but that may be true. I just don't know. No, not registered investments,
just Bitcoin. But yeah, I get what you're saying yeah it's all the words are important go ahead correct
dump this yeah yeah sorry about that no what i was trying to say was that like coinbase
basically like blackrock was able to buy all their off of coin right? Like that was their in.
So they, like, and Not Easy says,
these are scheduled payments throughout the year to sell and do things.
And every time a KOL comes out and says,
look, BlackRock fucking just sold
all this amount of Bitcoin.
No, they fucking owed
Coinbase. And Coinbase
had to sell. Yeah,
because they owe shit. This shit
is all set up.
I'm sick of the fucking KOL.
BlackRock doesn't owe anything to Coinbase.
You sure?
Tell me what they owe.
Okay, tell me what they owe. Okay, tell me what they owe.
Enlighten me.
Hey, correct.
So BlackRock buys their crypto,
like the majority of the Bitcoin,
from their OTC desk at Coinbase, right?
That's what you're saying, right?
That's called Coinbase Prime,
and it's their institutional arm of Coinbase.
What was that question?
No, I'm saying they buy their crypto.
BlackRock buys their crypto through Coinbase Prime, like their OTC desk, right?
Is that what you're saying?
No, he was saying they owe coinbase money somehow yeah i don't
sorry my my bleak teeth all mixed up i'm sorry guys but are you sure blackrock didn't get involved with Coinbase to buy their crypto.
Is that what you're telling me?
Coinbase just
custodians it. That's it.
BlackRock buys it.
Coinbase custodians it.
Custody. Custody. Custody.
Custody. Custody.
I'm not that good
of a speaker.
Let's look up that word. C work custody. What's that mean?
Who owns the custody who owes why?
So I think we're
We're we're we're like ten brain cells
Yeah, and I think the word oh and somebody something
Hold on. Let me get a pen. Let me get it back
It's my worst Hold on, let me get a pen. Let me get a pen. Go ahead. No, a fire joke.
It's my worst custody.
It's my worst company involved. Write this down.
Write this down.
I had to find it.
Yeah, write it down.
I'm doing the incline push-ups while I'm screaming, like, custody.
What's custody?
Custody.
It's a type of pie.
Yeah.
You never had that yellow custody pie.
Jacob's over here having a grammar attack.
With the sprinkles and the frosting and shit.
It's perfect.
Just like Aunt Jemima used to cook that shit, bro.
So guys, charting, charting.
So investors buy BlackRock's IBIT.
They buy the stock. And then IBIT goes to the market to make sure that they have enough Bitcoin to represent the amount of shares of IBIT.
You get it? And they buy it from Coinbase Prime, their OTC desk.
And they do owe the money when they put in a buy order.
Same way MicroStrategy buys all their Bitcoin from Coinbase you'll never hear about
MicroStrategy and Coinbase being entwined but what does it mean what does it mean to buy right
no it's a great question take out a pencil for a second. I got two. What does it mean to buy BY?
Yeah.
Okay.
It means the price goes down.
I'm B.
Buy, buy.
Like B-Y-E.
Yeah.
B-Y-E.
Like when you say, buy, buy my money.
Yeah.
That's what's happening right now.
Like if you were on EV's show yesterday when Bitcoin was 68K
and we were talking about going short,
Bitcoin went to like $65.3k. Imagine if you shorted $68k to $65.3k, you would have made a lot of money.
Jason, I just want to clarify something. You said charting, and I was not a speaker, so thank you.
No, no, no. I said sharding.
Oh, okay.
That's what happens here. People sharding.
I just wanted to make sure.
Yeah, sharding.
I'm just sitting here having a martini listening to everybody.
It's funny.
Yeah.
Sharding is also a fantastic type of buy.
Write that down.
Sharding.
Sharding buy.
That's Ethereum.
Isn't that like a technical term in Ethereum?
Sharding?
It is.
Yeah.
What does it mean, though?
Isn't it like some type of technical term?
It's when you fart a lot and shit comes out in the theory right yeah because i saw i thought i saw
vitalik trying to sniff a robot's butt online that was really inspiring yeah well these robots can
communicate that you're packing heat so word gets around i'm sure vitalik has got all the fucking x4 or two's up his ass right now bro all right you guys keep using all these terms i'm
gonna give i'm gonna do some cable crossovers while you guys talk about custodians i'm gonna
put it on you know 20 25 plus on each one we don't need little damsels another damsel out here bro you
need you gotta represent for the density
of motherfuckers.
We have to balance out most of these little
fucking damsels in distress.
They took my money, bros.
They're just...
There's a lot of them.
He's laughing,
but he already started to say...
No, no, 100%.
Yeah, there's a new
attack online that i have an undeveloped chest underdeveloped chest i won't hear that
you know i'm not having that unbelievable blasphemy you can't even have that spoken
in chest how in the hell do i have an underdeveloped chest jason's getting framed
right now yeah you need to start grab hammer and start bashing yourself in the face
like the kids, bro.
I know.
Bone mashing.
I'm going to.
I'm going to start bone mashing.
I think they call that mogging, Jason.
So go ahead.
I'm going to.
I'm going to mog.
Yeah, mog.
Jason's done put in 12 hours worth of work today,
and he's at the gym at 7 p.m. at night because he's already –
he had to work 12 hours a day and now he's going to
do the gym and next next thing you're going to find out is jason put a 16 hour day in man and
then he probably has been doing that for 20 some years and that's how you get rich this buy a meme
coin and you're going to get rich overnight with no proof of work it's not happening i don't know easy the second one sounds way more fun
yeah i thought i could just buy aster and become a million man yeah yep still waiting for
fucking chilling the villain to deliver me the fucking uh what's it what's it called endless paradise with uh nirvana i don't know they said that
it's down there it's a columbia um it was promised to me yeah go to medellin
bro it was promised to you 5 000 ago, just like the Epsteiners. The Epsteiners?
Jesus, bro.
Like, just say it with your...
Don't say it with your soft chest if you're going to say it.
Don't...
Like, see that, Jason?
This is the soft chest motherfuckers out here.
They can't even say it with their chest.
They got to start speaking their fucking codonies and shit, bro.
I wasn't trying to take it to that level, though.
You said 5,000 years, goddammit.
I know exactly what you said.
You ever seen the bathrooms down there? I have. I have. And it made me anywhere south of the United States.
Once you start really getting down that area like have you seen
the bathroom it's like bro get listen it states but i was down in peru once and way up i went up
to this place called lake titicaca and there's a long fucking drive to the middle of nowhere but
on the way there you stop at a spot they got a bathroom with a bucket of water and you're
supposed to use your hand i'm like dude i don't get how people are out here i know i didn't shake
a right or left hand the whole time i was there for the rest did you eat the little fish
the little salted fish i ate a guinea pig too hold on but you put the you had the little
guinea pig too you know what you call a little tiny minnow fish they've sold
yes I know what you're talking yeah you put them in your sardines these are
different these aren't sardines they're tiny little fish for going minnows but I
had fucking three or four guinea pigs in one sitting, bro.
Dude.
Them shits are good.
Did you go watch any wrestling?
No, I didn't do it there, but I have done that.
The fucking Mexican wrestling.
No, no, the cholitas.
The cholitas.
Oh, the cholitas.
No, I miss them.
I miss them.
Yeah, the women.
They're the wrestlers there.
They're the chola in Bolivia. They're them. I miss them. Yeah, the women. They're the wrestlers there. They're the chola in Bolivia.
They're amazing.
Let's go.
Hey, Jason.
Yeah, go ahead.
Jason, my wife's in Bolivia right now.
Oh, wow.
Tell her to pick up.
Tell her to get you a hat, a bola hat.
She's very upset of what goes on in that country that she grew up in.
Tell her that if she if she doesn't
learn how to suplex she's not coming home tell her to get a ball tell her to go get a bola hat
i've never made so much more money than when she's been gone for two weeks it's been fantastic
let's fucking go
bro i know what jason's talking about the tiny little fish so this is what i was told i don't
know if it's true okay so now half of it i know is true i've been there like okay you go to these
places they're the tourist places you put your feet in like a a fish tank and these tiny little fish come up and they eat bro dude yes yes yeah i know what
you're talking about yes not even yeah they eat the shit off your feet they eat they eat okay so
they charge you to do this they eat this okay i've done it too right and now here i know what
jason's saying i don't know if he's saying this but and I was told this by like locals and stuff.
They said, you realize after like, I think I was on a cruise or something.
They say, you know, come about nine thirty at night when or seven o'clock when all the four or five cruise ships leave the people from that area that put that on.
They eat them fucking little fish, man.
I'm like, no.
Yes, bro.
After they've literally sat there. Yeah, they eat them fish, man. They eat them fucking little fish, man. I'm like, no. Yes, bro. After they've literally sat there.
Yeah, they eat them fish, man.
They eat them.
I don't think.
I think Jason's talking about these little salty, skinny.
Is that what you're talking about, Jason?
These little salty, skinny things that they got.
Yeah, different fish.
They're kind of like.
They're not jerky even.
They're like.
No, they're dried and salted fish.
Those you eat.
Those things that EZ's talking about.
That's true.
I don't know if the people eat those.
I've never had a pedicure, but I have definitely
let those fish eat the fucking junk
off my feet, bro. I thought that was
hilarious.
It's like a bunch of little taps, but I just
picture... They did it in Hong Kong.
Yeah.
It's an interesting thing.
They do it to sharks. That's how I was. I was like,
I'm in shark mode right now, bro. You i mean just activate clean all these fucking shit off guys
why were you in bolivia that's some india street food shit right there yeah um c casa why were you
in uh bolivia i wasn't i was in peru charting's wife is in bolivia wait wait wait wait you got
into lake titicaca from peru Okay, because it's Bolivia.
It's in Bolivia.
You know what? I drove about six hours north to the fucking tip of nowhere, and I got some crazy altitude sickness from it when I got there, too.
Yeah, well, people don't realize that Lake Titicaca is so massive that the Bolivians have a navy, and they patrol that lake.
I have never seen anything seen where the Indians are.
Dude, when you go out there, there's a bunch of people that are literally living on fucking rafts.
Like you take a boat, you go out there, they're living on fucking rafts, bro.
And they and like they got the old school, like one of them, but they have a little bit of electricity somehow in some of these.
But like they got the old school turn knob, 80s like five inch screen right it's got some shit on and and
everybody's selling the fucking string bracelets because that's all they can make out there they
go to and they get the fucking alpaca they pull up the things but they are dude they got whole ass
villages that are on these like big rafts that just float out in the middle of fucking nowhere
it is the craziest shit i've ever seen bro i think life and glory just came up to tell us that he
surfs there no no i was gonna say i was gonna say i came up because i'm shocked that you've
never had a pedicure you haven't lived brother come on baby you gotta go sit down in the chair
i always felt the type of way because it sounds super fucking feminine.
It's a little good, but you know what?
My wife makes me do it once every month, month and a half.
She's half Japanese, man.
I got to be.
I'm a clean ass MF-er, but she's Japanese.
I got to be super clean.
I want you to squeeze the fucking gunk out of my organs with the
fucking way you
put down on the feet, bro.
I don't need any fucking love
like sculpting and polishing
on my shits, bro. I like a little
cow. I got calluses
on the bottom of them, bro. I can fucking walk
on pavement and run all the way to you right now,
bro. I wouldn't feel nothing, bro.
My shit are fucking... I got built-in shoes, hooves in this motherfucker.
Fuck you.
I know, but you gotta get the dirt cleaned out.
I got the same thing.
That's where I go.
That's what soap and water is for, goddammit.
I don't know.
Can BankerBot launch one of those contracts with those little fish?
At Banker Bot launch one of those contracts with those little fish? At Banker Bot.
I see a horror film in that where they put little piranhas in instead,
and then you're eating to the bone or something.
Dude, I've had a couple buddies that have piranhas,
and they're not as scary as just one of them,
but they are pretty fucking, they do look demonic,
but one of them alone doesn't really get you feeling the same type of of ways when you see a whole fucking gang of them bitches gearing up.
Yeah, we need a way for Lake Titicaca, bro.
Is that not the most craziest name on the planet?
It's a wild name.
When I heard it the first time, I was like, that can't be real, but it's real.
It's real.
I think it's the isn't it the highest lake in the world?
Yep.
As far as I know, I know that first night i had a fucking killer headache and i've you know i've gone like places you know
snowboard a bunch of places whatever and i i did that altitude hit different i don't know what it
was man but i needed a day to calibrate or acclimate what's that damn fish as i don't think it's the lionfish it might be the lionfish
but that fish will fight yeah crazy like i used to have a lionfish but i had a small one but i
ate all my other fish i did not know i didn't yeah dude i had a salt water tank for a while
it's amazing it becomes an addiction though though, because you got this whole world going.
You got all these different types of corals.
It's a biome.
But keeping that shit to balance, like the pH and all this shit,
you have to really know what it is.
And it is a very time-consuming thing, but it is fun, man.
How does Alchemist do that?
You know, I think he's got a guy for it comes in tweaks everything up he's got that fresh water uh
uh 25 gallon tank that you just put one of them sucker fish down there and when you go in there
it's just all green mold mildew all over the side of the tank. Let's be real.
I was down in Carma del Playa.
And this was, I don't know, man.
Bro, it was beautiful, man.
It was basically, I think, the only four star.
I think it's four star.
I can't remember the name of the resort.
It had only been a couple years old.
It had the fish tanks built into the wall over top of the resort. It had only been a couple years old. It had the fish tanks built into the wall
over top of the bed.
It had the fish tanks.
It was beautiful, man.
Well, or
some of the rooms had the fish tank
behind the bed wall.
Some of them had the fish tank
where it would be where
you would think the tv would be and it was um but i've been two or three times you know down
there is so crazy because they got lagoons too and that they got like the beach side and then
the lagoon side and lagoon side they got a bunch of like alligators and shit in there too so you
go right outside the room and there's like a bunch of alligigators and shit in there too so you go right outside the room and
there's like a bunch of alligators fucking around sitting out there and shit and then they have the
cenotes bro did you ever go out to the cenotes out there yes yes yes yeah i swim in them yeah
i got in them crystal crystal clear dude that's a different type of water so so here's what was
so i i okay so i went through i guess what you call the jungle i don't
know like literally here's what like it was almost like did we just fuck up because it's like
you're riding so first you ride like these side by sides then you you go to the canote or however
you say it yeah and listen then you turn around and look, and you realize, man,
there's the people guiding you at the front.
They've got armed guards, and then the people at the back of you,
like these guys got M16s.
You're like, what the fuck, bro?
I'm here on vacation with my kids, and you got M16s?
It's like, what the fuck?
Bro.
But no, so I swim in them.
Bro, they're cold, bro. They're cold, but it's like what the fuck bro but now so i swim in them bro they're cold bro they're cold
crisp man you get out of that shit feel like you're like two years younger bro that that that
water is beautiful yeah it is beautiful man it is um but no when i was out i've been have you been
on the what's that have you been on the and this is something that I'm planning on doing. I've never done, but where they have the so you go stay at like the resort or whatever.
And they have like the huts. I guess they look like a hut. I don't know what they call them, but they're out on the water.
They're on the water and they have the glass floor and everything.
Yeah, that shit is. It's amazing, actually.
Like, yeah, you know what? You is amazing, actually. You know what the
fucking most...
It's called an outhouse.
Well, I've never felt more wrong
than when I went on a glass-bottom boat.
That is a big fucking
bunch of bullshit, but those huts
are different. Those things
are amazing.
I mean, I guess it depends where you are, but
those are
really dope to be just like standing above okay yeah but glass bottom boats man what a fucking
trap them shits are
so man i got a story about the glass bottom boats man so now it's and dude i'm gonna butcher this
shit but like so i it's somewhere in the caribbean that
is like what is it the first or second biggest reef in the world down in the caribbean yeah
it used okay what is the name of that reef or whatever i don't know about one reef yeah i
could use google and figure the great no it's inef is in Australia. And then there's like. Yeah, that's the biggest one.
Yeah.
I don't know about.
So, but.
Yeah, but what was so funny is that, that you're sharing that, that you said that.
Okay.
So, like, okay, for my son's 10th birthday, I got him out of school for a whole week.
And now, fast forward, like, a year later, I started dating his teacher, which was so funny is it's like, OK, so.
But what was his name?
Seven.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's a spot in work, son.
I love Jason, bro.
You got to love Jason, bro.
Man, what was so funny is and they were like, OK, so it's like I want to get excused absences.
Right. Because like, you know what I mean?
Anyway, I didn't give you that story. That's actually a hack, bro.
That's that's some big brain shit. Go ahead. Go ahead.
So but yeah, so he so what the thing was is he had to do like so many reports and he had to do this and that and the other.
And one of them was on that reef based on an excursion we were going on with the glass bottom boats.
So when you said that, OK, now I was disappointed.
But man, it was it was like I was very disappointed what you just said.
It's like but where we were at, though, and like the turtles and the shit that we seen
and all, uh, and again, that reef in the Caribbean, it's like one of the biggest reefs.
Yeah.
Great mine reef.
That's it.
That's exactly what it was.
Here's my issue with him, bro.
Like you, what was the dude's name though?
I'm more interested in that.
Sorry.
Listen, you, you, you, you can't, you can't see shit when you're actually going in the boat right and then
you can just jump off the boat and see shit right when you're when you're still so it's true the
whole point is like when you're when you're actually like where you think you'd be able to
see the bottom or whatever you got that like layer of the water going underneath it. So you can't see nothing.
That's, that's, that's what I get you.
Now, if I were to go back and do it again, knowing what I know now, because I agree with you.
Okay.
Instead of doing the glass bottom boat, I would have done something like the catamaran.
Take us out there.
You know, instead of going with a bunch of people, you go with six people and rent a catamaran and
then snorkel, right?
Fuck snorkels.
I just go in the sub.
Goals.
Goals, my friend.
One day I'll be there.
Goals, my friend.
I like Jason's way of thinking.
You don't even want to get wet.
I go in the submarine.
I see all the pretty fish and then I go eat.
What are we talking about here?
You got to go in the water.
That's ridiculous, Jason.
That's some bumblebees.
I'll go in the water, but I ain't going down 100 feet, 150 feet.
I'm not PADI certified.
I used to do that stuff.
Yeah, it's hard on your body, bro.
I've done it.
Trust me.
It fucked my body up for life.
Yeah, I don't do that shit anymore.
No, and life and glory. We would go out and get like a weekend, you know, jump in my body up for life. Yeah, I don't do that shit anymore. No, and life and glory.
We would go out and get like a weekend, you know, jump in the pool for two hours.
And they're like, yeah, you can go down 100 feet.
Like moronic shit.
I used to do that.
Yeah, you go swim through a shipwreck and hope you don't get caught.
Right.
Whatever.
And then if you have to do it for a living, forget about it.
Fuck your body up day in and day out.
But let me tell you what doesn't.
The submarine.
Go ahead, easy.
Nah, it just reminds me let's make sure it's put together well right it was down in carmadale playa it was down that area it's called x high or something and like you would put this
it's some kind of like x high i'm probably saying it wrong but it's like a national park and like they had the
things where you you didn't scuba dive but they put like this big they put like this big jug on
your head man and you would go down you could see it like i could just picture jason doing it jason
would you do that or no no i would back in the day i would i wouldn't do that now you know that uh
beast was supposed to get on the titan in that now. You know that Beast was supposed to get on the Titan in 2023.
We were working on that.
He was supposed to be on the Titan.
That's the one that...
Wow.
Yeah, he'd be dead.
Wow.
Yeah.
Yeah, he'd been dead.
He just didn't.
He decided not to do it.
Wow.
Wasn't his time, man.
Isn't it incredible how you make these kind of just decisions?
Because that's right up his alley, you know? Go down, do some crazy shit like that. Go visit the time, man. Incredible how you make these kind of just decisions because that's right up his alley, you know, to go down, do some crazy shit like that.
Go visit the Titanic, all that like you just blinked out.
So I guess you got to live because you never know when your card's going to get pulled.
But it's crazy when you look back, you're like, dude, I would have been dead right now.
Yeah, I know when you said that, I was thinking about i didn't know that situation but i was
thinking about that yeah yeah that would have been the end of his timeline right there
god had other plans yeah he had to buy he had to go in business with chamath and buy a crypto bank
bro you know what's so funny is it's sometimes sometimes, like, I'm just going to say it like this.
I've seen things over, like, the last, see, I'm going to, I'm not going to say anything.
Like, I'm going to basically stretch everything so no one can understand who I'm talking about.
I've seen things, like, over the last year or two where people have said something about, what's his name again?
What's the guy's name again?
And they talk about his crypto.
They talk about his crypto and they talk about everything.
And what's so funny is
they'd be talking shit, right?
And then it's like
the next day, Jason will be on their stage
talking to them.
It's like these motherfuckers don't even know Jason.
Jason wants managing
the money, doing his shit.
Crypto. They don't even
know, bro. Remember when they were like,
Mr. Beast is buying Aster.
Search that. Mr. Beast
is buying Aster. It was like on every
front page of every
crypto news. It was.
It sure was and it's funny
they don't know they don't know the whole story which is okay man it's all right man
people don't have to just literally just with everyone he was like hilarious to me
oh man what a world.
Man, easy.
I left at 6 this morning, buddy.
You see, and I factored.
I factored.
That's what.
OK, so where did I fact?
Because it was 7.06 at that time, which was about 22 minutes ago.
So, yeah, that's why I said 12 hours.
I said 12 hours work because you said 12 hours work
that would put you and then because you got to have time to get to the gym and everything here
so yeah yeah and the like six this morning people don't realize that man but jason this is not your
first time ever leaving home this morning no no no bro, no, bro. I packed a gym bag.
I ain't been home.
I literally drove straight to the gym.
I mean, I'm still in the Italian tractor.
Oh, shit.
Yeah, no, no.
I ain't even been home.
I brought two protein shakes.
Actually, I never do this, but I was like craving Chick-fil-A.
So I ate the Chick-fil-A with no bun, with cheese.
It was so delicious, man.
Oh, my God.
I don't know what they soak it in pickle juice or something.
Jesus Christ.
That is delicious, man.
Is it not pickle juice, Hoff?
That stuff is so bad for you, Jason.
I can't believe you ate it.
It was delicious.
I don't care what anyone says.
Yes, it is delicious. That's why it's delicious. The people were so nice, it. It was delicious. I don't care what anyone says. Yes, it is delicious.
That's why it's delicious.
The people were so nice, dude.
It was like crazy.
Yeah, Chick-fil-A is something special when you go in there for service.
Yeah, it was crazy.
I just, I've never gone in.
I met Dan Cathy back when he was saying like no gays can come to their retreat.
I was in that meeting when he did that and blew up the company
i was there when he said that and then there was a huge boycott around like you know uh all the
gays in the country he said they weren't going to eat chick-fil-a you know but it was it was a crazy
moment i think they may have reversed that i don't know but he was very very conservative
um yeah he certainly is yeah but that's why they're not open on Sundays. Not open on
Sundays, right. But damn that chicken. They're soaking in. I'm going to start soaking everything.
Hey, I think AP is down there. AP, I saw you left one of your devices in the photo. Why don't you
soak that in pickle juice? Just a thought. You know, pickle juice is actually very good for you.
I think it is, but I wonder if she soaks that device in pickle juice,
and it'll be even better for her.
Thanks for letting me join you, Space Easy.
Man, you're welcome, Hoff.
I appreciate you.
Listen, I appreciate, and hopefully y'all can hear me i was
putting out a tweet but i appreciate uh every time you and jason and big brain come up right
now i listen here was the thing like i love chick-fil-a and i'm not for the reasons y'all think not for the reasons you think it's because i had
every chick-fil-a and what there's third i had every chick-fil-a in wilmington in new hanover
brunswick county and pender county i had every single one of them and i used to go and clean
the chick-fil-A's on Sundays.
And the reason we would do it on Sundays is because they were closed.
And that's why. So, but yeah, so like I still can go to local Chick-fil-A's where like, and I don't, and I basically for four or five years, I started subbing it out to one of my friends.
So I subbed it out to him.
And I would make the company wear my T-shirts and shit and everything and put a magnet on
side of their truck to make it look like me.
And I subbed it out.
But there's Chick-fil-A's I can still go to.
And I haven't had that contract in probably five years. But I did it for years. I can still go there – and I haven't had that contract in probably five years.
But I did it for years.
I can still go there and I get free food.
I was just going to say to you, when I got my PhD, the speaker was James Maynard, the founder of Golden Corral.
And he gave me a lifetime pass to eat at Golden Corral.
I mean, I need to find that.
I would never eat there, believe me.
But when I was in college now,
Golden Corral is awesome, man.
That's an experience.
It couldn't be that much worse than
Chick-fil-A, could it?
No, no. A buffet like that?
Come on, man. I would kill myself.
It's insane.
I've never been in either,
but to be honest.
He's from the West Coast.
On the East Coast, bro,
the Golden Corral's the ticket, son.
Yeah, that's gourmet.
They got the fountain.
What's that fountain thing?
The chocolate fountain?
Oh, the chocolate fountain.
Bro, these people don't know.
Golden Corral. They have no clue what the chocolate fountain is Bro, these people don't know. Golden Corral.
They have no clue what the chocolate fountain is like.
It's amazing.
The yeast roll.
The yeast roll.
Yeah, bro.
This was like real food, dude.
We're going for it.
I just couldn't imagine.
Especially when you're in college.
It's perfect.
Oh, my God, dude.
After a football match, free Golden Corral.
That's amazing.
You got to watch what you eat when you get to be my age
So maybe in a decade
I don't know
James Maynard is a class act
He's from Fayetteville, North Carolina
Easy
That's exactly right
I knew who he was when you said the name
He spoke at my
When I got my PhD
In 2012 He spoke at my, when I got my PhD in 2012.
Oh, hold on.
We got our friend here, AP, too.
So I seen a thing.
AP, post your device up top, please, so everyone can know what I'm talking about.
Yeah, please do.
I did see a thing though. I did see something where
you were graduating from somewhere. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah.
Was that the guy? Yeah. My last, my last degree, I got my master's from University of Nebraska
Medical School. And then I got my last degree, my PhD,
and that's when James Maynard was,
he was speaking.
What was the PhD in?
Was it medicine?
It's in humanities.
Oh, nice.
Hey, I got a PhD at one time.
You know what mine was? Do time. You know what mine was?
Do y'all know what mine was?
Picking up men and male teachers?
Nope.
Whore hungry and determined.
I was going to say, a PhD in the school of hard knocks.
Yeah, I graduated, bro.
AP, post it
she ain't posted it
AP what you scared of
I don't know how you know
that I don't know how to do that
I know
I am trying I am over
here dying because I forget
how to do it
Jason wait I need
to recognize. Thank you
for recognizing the work
that I put into this
place. Thank
you so much for recognizing
that. I appreciate you.
Because I work
hard in life. I work hard
here and I put in my
fucking all. You're a creative genius.
And just so you know,
my training, like if someone hangs an x-ray in front of me, I always look at the margins.
I start on the outside and I work my way to the middle. That's how I pick things up because
most men, they're like, there's a picture of a beautiful woman. They're just staring out of
titties and they miss Godzilla behind it. You know what I'm saying? They don't see it.
They're like, I haven't seen that until you said something.
I totally miss Godzilla and I'm a woman.
I don't know how to post it in the nest.
I really don't. I'm trying.
I have to concentrate.
One moment.
Focus. Focus, AP.
You really try.
I do.
Did you ever see Godzilla
versus Bambi?
FLA, I'm trying to bring you up, bro.
I'm trying to bring you up, FLA.
Godzilla versus Bambi? When was that? I think it to bring you up, bro. I'm trying to bring you up, FLA. Godzilla vs. Bambi, when was that?
I think it was in the late 60s.
It's about four seconds.
You should watch it.
You'll laugh your ass off.
Is it rated X?
I don't even know if it's rated.
I don't want to give it away, but Bambi dies in the end.
to give it away, but Bambi dies
in the end.
I remember Godzilla
when it used to eat the toy trains.
AP, take co-host. Somebody mansplain me how to do this
okay so are you on an iPhone because they changed no I'm on an Android okay so they won't let you
no longer put anything in the nest from an android it's a glitch right now yeah it started
about a month ago yeah so so what do you could do is you could uh yes send it to me then i'll post
it and take co-host so we can bring some of these speakers up oh good god do you want me to take
co-host yeah because let me tell you something like this is what I think a lot of people Don't like
Bro, I'm a man, bro
I don't give a fuck
I don't really care what
Hoff, I don't care what any of these nerds
Say, bro
Jason has always pulled
For the underdog, bro
He's one in a million, bro
He pulls for the underdog bro like he's one in a million bro like like he pulls for the underdog do people
not understand like like bro i've literally i've literally worked for people spent time with them
for five years like you know two or three times a year and then get into a situation them
motherfuckers wouldn't piss on you if you were rain if they wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire which and jason's the exact opposite of them people he pulls for the underdog bro he
pulls for like the little guy he like that's something when you like most people when they're
at the statue stature that jason's at it's like i'm not saying they're all bad people i'm just saying like
like they're focused on other things and like jason pulls for the underdog 100 he wants to
help people win and succeed and i mean i can speak from personal experience you're 100 right
but does that count? Because that's
me talking. And if Chad's
line thumbs up right now,
Chad's line thumbs up?
I was waiting
for an overlap between
you two for so long, and when I finally
heard it, I was like, he's either tech
savvy or it's not the same person.
Yeah.
Hoff giving me compliments.
Chad's line giving me thumbs up.
I got all my alts up here.
Nah, Jason gives crazy alpha, bro.
Like, every day on Spaces,
the dude comes on and gives fucking nutty alpha, bro.
So if y'all ain't paying attention when that man speaks,
I don't know what the fuck he doing.
I don't know what you're doing.
What up, EZ?
Yeah, I'm blessed to be able to come to a room like this with all these smart people around.
What up, CKASA, Life and Glory, Hoff, Jason, Chad, Charting, everybody on stage.
Man, I've seen the videos you sent me, but I don't know.
I could only download the first one, and I just assumed that's all you had sent me from Disney World.
And then when I look today, there's like four more, but for some reason, they won't download, man.
I can't see them.
Just letting you know, FLA.
Go ahead, Jason.
Yeah, I just want to remind you guys, because I'm sure you don't really celebrate this,
but Valentine's Day is coming up, and it may be interesting if some of you get...
Hey, you know, I said meme coins and stuff, but but you know, why don't you think about
venturing outside and talking to the
opposite sex or the same sex if you're into that
and, you know, like
go have some fun, you know, like
go get some flowers
or some internet
I don't know Jason
I got a girlfriend
that shit's pretty expensive bro
that shit's running up my check
for the whole fucking month
she's in Bolivia
she's in Bolivia I don't know what to do
hey AP
can you bring up Michael
Sam and Asit
so so I'm Hey, AP, can you bring up Michael, Sam, and Asit?
So, you know, I don't do these things like co-hosting and text stuff. So, click on.
You see, it says.
Wait, no, no, no.
So, it says they're requesting.
Here you go.
It says they're requesting.
No, here's the deal.
Dude, dude, is this like a popularity contest?
Because there's not enough space now.
So, I can't.
So, it will bring them up.
Yeah.
Have you tried to bring them up?
There's no spots, dude.
Okay.
So we need to bring another co-host up here.
Okay.
That's what's going on.
Or do I get to just cut people?
No, you're good.
No, no.
Don't cut no one.
We'll bring Hoff up as a co-host.
And then it will allow Michael, Sam, and Asik can come up.
Fabulous. That's what'll happen.
He's not a co-host.
There you go. Now it'll work.
We gotta build these spaces up.
We ain't got no motherfuckers.
We're building this shit.
There we go.
What the hell is going on?
I still don't.
I still can't bring up two of them.
I guess you have to bring somebody down.
Bring me down.
Then you can bring them up.
I'm sorry.
Is someone speaking not English right now?
Oh, Lord.
You're funny.
Why don't you buy me a Mercedes-Benz?
Hell yeah, we seen that Mercedes
he was driving, didn't we?
Didn't we?
We seen that Mercedes, Sam.
How's it going guys hey easy how you doing man
pretty good
hey sam do you know jason
do you know jason williams
i met jason
well met virtually once
i was co-hosting on a space where Jason came in and
he cooked for about 10 minutes, dropped his mic and left. And he cooked so good that he was only
in there about 10 minutes, but the space was talking about him for another 10 minutes after
he left. So yeah, I have respect for Jason, but I don't know him very well I just heard him that once that's usually what happens old school bitcoiner bro and I think like once you realize like so like
uh just from that same spaces like that same demographic area that you come from which is
really cool like what I'm saying is like when I think when you realize like jason's like a troll but
like he's an og bitcoiner bro like the guy's got more knowledge about bitcoin than basically
anyone i've ever met here and he's like he's og bitcoiner and i just know you sam you're a
you're a new bitcoiner but you're a hardcore bitcoiner and
I love it too man like honestly so I just wanted to introduce y'all too I'm just making sure that
you knew it cool um easy I stuck my hand up to come up and speak uh just to say um
so so my wife has a couple of days off work she had to take them before the end of february
or she loses them so uh she she took a couple of days next week and then add on the holiday and add
on she works from home a day so basically next week uh she's not she's not in her office so
the idea for making a whole week was i take care of our boy um but i've been i've been
trying to get more business done right so i'm always complaining to my wife uh like if i like
we're in a small apartment and i'm always got my kid around i love my kid but so she said i'll take
this week and you can take off take off somewhere somewhere. Like get rid of stress, get rid of, do whatever you need to do.
So that was kind of the plan easy.
But while I was listening to the space earlier, my wife came home from work.
So today was her last day at the office.
And I heard you guys talking about this.
And so I said to my wife, let's get the hell out of here for a few
days let's go you know let's go somewhere somebody mentioned Valentine's Day and um
like what the fuck why would I be taking off and leaving her here alone with a kid on her on her
on her days off like you know what I mean it just occurred to me fuck it the three of us should head
away somewhere and uh she said, well,
what are we going to pay for it? I said, how are we going to pay for it? She knows Bitcoin's in the
shitter. And I had just bought a new truck as well, so I was trying to be more prudent for a
couple of weeks. But easy, my message is, fuck it, you have to take care of A, your mental health. You have to take care of B, if somebody loves you, man, you have to reciprocate, right?
You have to, you have to acknowledge the people around you.
It's, it's so important because like in these spaces, we come up and we swing our balls around and we want to be big guys.
And we want to prove we know more than everybody else.
And we, you know know sometimes it gets heated and like i just think sometimes just freaking decompress just just get it all back to
what's important because the reason i bitcoin like i don't want to i don't want a lamborghini you can
keep your lamborghini i've got a bad back anyway i back anyway and I'm too old it would look stupid me in a Lamborghini
I'm doing this for my family
you kind of have to
yeah that's my message
easy
I know I might sound like a big softy
I'll take that
I'll take that in the chin
that's my plan
Sam I'm going to say one thing.
I've got a 32-year-old son and a 27-year-old daughter,
and it goes by in the snap of the fingers, brother.
So cherish every fucking millisecond you got with them.
What age did you say they were?
32 and 27.
Well, when Sam is 32, 32 i'm gonna be 84 yeah um i didn't do this when i was meant to do it sam came along late so uh yeah i'm trying to
enjoy even on the days when he drives me crazy, he drove me crazy today.
Man here, my mother told me, I was complaining to my mother one day about his personality, and she said, well, that's a thing called karma.
Because apparently I was a pain in the butt as a kid.
So he's the same, he throws water all over the place. He's just a boy, right?
But I'm trying to enjoy.
A lot of people told me that it goes by quick.
Guys, you got me in a sentimental mood.
I'm sorry, Easy.
I'm sorry.
I'm normally tougher than this, Easy. But sentimental mood today.
I'm sorry.
No, no.
It's fine.
It's fine.
You know what?
It's all good.
Life.
Tell you what, I have a 21-year-old daughter who lives in Chicago.
This crypto
thing, we're back and forth. Everybody's
happy. We're sad, but
it's family.
Your family is the most important.
When my daughter was born, that was the best thing that ever
happened to me in my life.
Cherish it. bitcoin goes up and bitcoin
goes down but you know your your your kids are the most important thing yeah i mean that's why
we're all here right i mean we're in crypto we're in finance we're in all this what to get rich and
to take care of ourselves and take care of our families. At the end of the day, nothing else matters more than that.
People think,
oh, we're so consumed in crypto
and money and this and that.
We're only consumed because we're consumed
for the will to want to take
care of our families.
I think that's what drives me
and I think that's what drives most of us.
Let's not forget the comedy here because there's some fucking trolling comedy going on
Oh yeah I love crypto twitter
And let's not forget
That there's people here
That have done that
And they're wildly successful
Above and beyond that
And done it in an ethical
And like and listen Oh it's not ethical let me not say So they've done it in an ethical and like and listen and no oh it's not ethical let me
not say so they've done it in a way to where the world that they live in is better off like and
that's like and i'll bring it back around because when i talk about people with lamborghinis and
watches i think and it does cross my mind i'm like do you like so i'll say i gotta give just as much um
what's the word to say like like somebody like jason like they're like one in a million one
in a thousand that you'll meet in life right so like when i talk about the lamb Lamborghini or the watch. Like. Like. They actually.
Like that is such a small.
All part of their life.
Like.
Because now they've been wildly successful.
Above and beyond that.
Made hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars.
But what you find out is.
It's like.
There's got to be whatever you believe in.
Your God or whatever. A higher power. something greater out in the universe other than yourself.
It's like so when you look into Jason's story, like and this is why sometimes it's like I might talk shit, but I'm not nobody else talking no shit.
Because it's like dude has has literally went to third world countries and like literally changed people's lives.
And when you change one person's life, you've changed.
Like, that's a change.
Like, like once you change one person's life, you've changed their children's life.
You've changed their grandchildren's life.
You've changed their grandchildren's life.
You've just like some reason.
I wonder like God gives people success in abundance.
And it's like and we see what happens.
Some people have excess and abundance and they go and buy islands or do crap and get airplanes like really not gonna make the show about that or like but
let's say they do evil with the money then you have people that are like just doing good around
the world and like it should be it should be pointed out and i just like sometimes don't
understand why people are here and don't realize that like they don't realize that we're amongst someone that has done that and is doing that.
And it's not it's like they're taking money and it's like I'm just not trying to get religious here.
But on my thing, it's like is God just like the more he pours it out, just keeps filling it up?
Like, do they just keep filling the cup up?
Because, like, it's thousands of people.
It's humanity's life, right?
It's, like, you have to, and I haven't read the whole book but you have to like
he does have a book which is about Bitcoin and everything
but really
the power of Google
and like really doing your research
like to see
these type of things
that like there's like
I've seen pictures of Jason
like I could post one probably
if I go look like is Jason probably, I guess he's about 15 years younger or something, 20 years younger.
He's in like, he's surrounded by like, he's surrounded by 50, 30, you know, African children.
Like, and he's in his doctor scrubs like helping these people
and what people don't realize is
he's doing it with his own
money
he's the guy's doing it with his own money
he didn't ask someone hey
give me the money to go
you know do this
he took his own money and done it
like which I think is really cool really fucking cool do this. He took his own money and done it.
Which I think is really cool.
Really fucking cool. Contributing to the betterment of society and when you have human beings doing that, those are the real ones.
Those are the ones you want to surround yourself with. Whether it be virtual here or
in real life. And then pass it down to your
kids so that they do the same thing beautiful
easy i've got a question for you i don't mean to have it too hard but i've got a question for you
you you're uh you're about i don't want to dox you but you're about midway down the east coast. How far down
the east coast am I going to have to go to get rid of damned cold and snow next week? Man, you got to
just go halfway. Now, if you want to go to Florida, you got to remember, or if you want to go anywhere
in Florida, the thing about it is for nine months out of the year, like you're going to be sweaty,
the humidity. And if you go to New York, what's going to happen is for nine months out of the year like you're gonna be sweaty the humidity and if you go to
new york what's gonna happen is for nine months out of year you're gonna be holy shit you halfway
you got to come to that halfway point that's that's the carolinas and you know so yeah you
come to the carolinas bro and it's like for seven eight months seven months out of the year is perfect man eight
months out of the year like here in another couple weeks we'll have no humidity 70 degree 80 degree
like the only time it's terrible it's like july and august but then september october november like i remember celebrating like just
four or five years ago celebrating christmas and it was 72 degrees like it's beautiful
that's why they call it god's country here bro what's fucked about that is is i used to hear
uh california bro they have fucking good weather all year round bro, and now that's the worst fucking state to live in row
I'm a native I'm a native Southern California Y'all got the best weather there. Y'all beat every fucking state.
It's a one-party state. Government-wise is fucking questionable.
New York's always...
There's no hope for...
At least if you're going to fucking
live in the scum fucking bucket
to do it in some sunshine.
Just surround yourself with a good unit
of people on the government.
California's probably nice.
It's probably nice.
I've never been there.
I think I did fly in, but I've never really been there.
But I can tell you one thing.
I heard it's the best weather in the U.S.
You can look at the East Coast, the beach at North Carolina.
Check it out.
Also, here's what it's got going for it
cmbc's for two years straight in the row the best state to start a business in yeah two years in a
row north carolina hit it son i lived there for four years you know like i went to that oh i didn't
know that i went to duke yeah yeah so oh okay. But, and it's really, it's like an amazing place.
But it gets cold during the winter sometimes,
and it gets hot as fuck during the summer.
But it is a beautiful, like, besides those little pockets, it's amazing.
So, guys, I was asking about next week only.
Easy.
I'm in New York City, and I'm fed up with cold and snow and darkness.
I haven't had a walk in weeks
outside. I just want to get down the coast
far enough that I can get
into the 40s.
No snow.
My wife is still in Bolivia.
Georgia, Florida, just come stout.
But you have
to remember, you're sending him
from, you're sending him
two hours away from like like you you got to
narrow it down just come on down past virginia get into the carolinas and bro just go to the
outer banks right there you just come into north carolina you don't even have to come down
to where i'm at that's i'm i'm right here before you get to south carolina but you could just go
to the outer banks nags, things of that nature.
You're about to see some beautiful weather.
Beautiful weather is coming, brother.
Yes.
Kitty Hawk.
See where the Wrights Brothers first flew.
I just love that C-Casa wakes up
when anybody attacks California, Banker Bot, or Bobo Billions. Love you, C-Casa wakes up when anybody attacks California
Banker Bot or Bobo
Billions love you
C-Casa dude I didn't know he
went to Duke
my whole perception
we need to talk about that C-Casa
I'm not a Duke fan or nothing but
I understand what it takes to get into
Duke one of my son's
best friends is in Duke, right?
Yeah.
It's competitive.
Yeah, it's very competitive.
Yeah, man. Nobody likes
Duke. It's okay. I'm just doing it.
But, bro...
What did you get your degree in, Picasso?
Oh, that's
for...
You got to get to the next layer before I'm out here.
I don't need people indexing me
putting me through a matrix and shit.
Got it.
You went to Duke for a little while, didn't you?
Jason, didn't you go to Duke too?
For a little while?
Are you still with us, Jason?
Yeah, sorry.
I am on staff at Duke University Medical School.
That's what it was, yeah.
I worked in global innovation.
Jesus Christ.
David, Jason will always know how to one-up.
Oh, great.
Sorry about that.
Bankerbot, get me an MD license.
I own Duke.
What are you talking about?
No, but guys, Duke is the Harvard of the South.
It's extraordinarily hard to get in.
You almost have to have perfect SAT and ACT scores.
Don't play that short.
Sikasa is a very smart person.
Duke is an exceptional school. Like very hard to get an elite,
elite, elite. I'm shocked that Cicasa is not Chinese. Thank you, bro. I know you just like,
that was such a condescending. It was packed with love, but it was a condescending. I know I dunked
on you, but I'll give you a little crunk here, though. Jason's being politically correct here, though.
Jason's being politically correct here, right?
That's why he said Chinese.
Now, there's another way to get in, Duke, and I might be surprised.
You know, there's another way to get in.
I'm giving you an exceptional compliment.
You got in as a white male, bro.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, whoa.
Yeah.
And you're not transgender.
Right.
Yeah, he's not transgender.
He didn't chop his penis off.
He didn't sleep with the Dean.
Yeah.
Now, you ain't even getting on that.
You're sleeping with the Dean.
Dude, on the weekend, sometimes you want to go and get in the mud, bro.
We would drive down to East Carolina, bro, with the girls down there.
That's a vibe.
That is a shithole.
That's a different type of tempo than sitting in Duke with the Duke girls, bro.
It's a very different pocket.
Chapel Hill's nice, though.
I used to like to go out to UNC, too.
You know, they cater to parents, right?
And I went to East Carolina on the parent-child thing.
And, bro, I told my son, you're not going to school here, bro.
Listen, bro.
You're not going to school here.
Pick another one.
Pick another one. Pick another one. The only time that I hooked up with a redhead chick, okay, was at East Carolina.
And I got up the next morning.
My buddies crashed their place, too.
There was her roommates, too.
Left.
We get on the road.
I'm getting back.
We're driving up.
I realized she stole all my money from my wallet.
It's her first and last redhead.
And that is what it is.
Hey, Sakasa, when did you graduate, may I ask?
Or when did you go there? You don't have to be specific.
I graduated in 2008.
Okay.
Yeah.
What was so funny, my son said, well, Dad, can you get me a shirt so i got him the shirt had the
little pirate thing on it and i kept telling him like he was in high school at the time
he was in high school at the time i'm like bro you're not going to that school pick another one
pick another one you know i mean like and what was so funny is you know what was so funny is he's like dad you realize i'll probably
get a full ride there i'm like it's okay son i worked hard you'll be fine you know pick enough
that's the truth and here's what the thing he did like this was the thing he got into three schools he got into three schools and like he got into wilmington
right here and he didn't even show me that he got i didn't know he got into wilmington
because he didn't want to go here right and like yeah but so the school he ended up getting into
like like i'm glad he's in that school it it cost me out of pocket more money
if he would have went to east carolina like and if he went to wilmington bro god man like he could
live at home and he would have probably got a full ride there too that's the like he was uh
approved to go and it was insane like i, no, it wasn't a full ride.
Actually, he did show me.
So I pay three times the amount of money that he goes, where he goes at now.
It's probably meant to have your own experience, like, to get away and stuff, you know?
Like, I think that's an informative part.
It is, it is.
Because a lot of his friends and stuff like that go did go here right because
their parents you know couldn't afford it right they just you know they need to go to the school
which is don't get me wrong uncw is a good school right it's a good school but it's nothing where
he's going now like like it's i don't know how to explain it i don't know jason does jason probably
does like i'm gonna tell you i'm gonna tell y'all a story and i don't think he minds me telling y'all
bro and for the longest time and i've even got a friend of mine that's a really he he the thing
about it was is he's never been to college and like he took me out to dinner and
he told me to watch some movie and i watched this movie and i'm like hell no my son ain't joining no
frat you know uh but like jason like helped me like jason you mind me saying like jason helped me
uh with my son man putting my son in in a really good frat, bro.
Like these guys, like, bro, the thing about it is,
is it's not what you think.
Like last week, weekend before last.
Yeah, man, they were down in Atlanta, Georgia.
Yeah, they've been to Atlanta, Georgia, Tennessee, all around, bro.
These guys are going to conventions about ethics about business
ethics like just just like really um doing things now like really like he's really into it right and
it's like ah man I don't know how to explain it but now then what here's what my friend ended up telling me
my really close friend you know because he is a friend of mine he said easy you really didn't
have nothing to work because he'd known my boyfriend he'd known me before my boy was like
he knew my son he knew me two or three years before my son was born right so he already knew he's like your boy be just
fine you know i mean i'm just fucking with you you know i mean like but yeah so i guess it's
what you make of it but it was like so what i guess a lot of people don't realize it and listen
this showed me something it's like so eight eight from every chapter, all up and down the whole East Coast, went to Atlanta, which was over 500 and some people.
But now you have to remember, that's only eight people in each chapter.
So, like, and for my son to be in the first year of the frat and get picked of the eight people to go.
Like his big is like the I can't even say it.
But like like so here's the thing.
Like his like he's already told me he's a dad like next year.
He's going to be, you know, a sophomore, right?
Junior, sophomore. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So so basically i don't even know bro i just
it took me five years to graduate high school so i can't tell you but i can tell you this
uh yeah jason helped me out on that man he really did bro and my son was so fucking happy
because my boy would have never joined that frat.
Like he would have never, he would have never done it.
He wanted, like, he understands, like, he's got to get my blessing.
You know what I mean?
Now he wanted to do it.
And I was really scared about it, bro.
But like Jason, and listen, it's been so wonderful.
Now, fast forward a whole year, it's like, bro,
like, every father wants to see their son, like,
it's really, really enjoying it.
Now, I do understand that. listen see casa i understand like i
there was something on the news about hazing so i could basically drive like two hours
a little less than two hours two hours and i'm at my son's college so bro like i'm single
yeah i'm single bro so it's like shit i'll just go and have dinner with him and drive back home sometimes.
Matter of fact, I've been on spaces with y'all while I was just driving, just going to hang out for an hour and then come back.
And so I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm having dinner with my boy.
And I say, hey, ma'am, get your, get your roommate, get your roommate to come with us.
So he comes with us.
I start talking to him about hazing.
And I seen my son look at his roommate and wink.
And as soon as I start talking about hazing, it was almost like they said the same thing.
Like word for word.
Dad, like hazing is against the rules.
And I'm like, what the fuck? You know what I mean?
Like, I didn't say it out loud, but that's what I was thinking in my mind. But then again,
like, I thank Jason for helping me with that situation. Then I can go back to my friend
that's known me before my son was born. And he's like, you know, your boy will be okay.
And listen, my son tells me, he said, yeah, man, we, we do things. And it's like you know your boy will be okay and listen my son tells me he said yeah man we
we do things and it's like this is like a real good place for kids because i'm like well what
do y'all oh well they play beer pong and i said well what happens well if you're in the frat and
everything you can drink water you know i? So it's not what people think.
He's like, you can drink water. Yeah, that's not what happened to me 35 years ago.
Yeah, me neither.
Yeah, they're like, you drink water.
You know what?
I still don't have feeling in the left side of my left foot
from it being crushed in the back of an 18-wheeler
when we were kidnapped.
Like crazy shit 35 years ago.
My foot is still screwed up.
But it was the best time of my life, I'll tell you that.
Exactly.
Absolutely.
People go on, if you're at the right place,
people go on and do their own, they're in their own lane.
And when you're in the mud with somebody at four in the morning
doing some wild shit, like the craziest that you
you know you could imagine it hits different from a you know long term you guys it's just
like you have a different camaraderie so they're the best friends of my life it was the best best
experience ever having those those guys that fraternity bonding you, and I'll tell you what character, man. And I'll tell you what the,
the success from the guys that I was with, like in business,
everybody is extremely successful. It's just, it's crazy to think about,
but you know, as, as crazy as we were, we all turned out to be,
you know, good people, successful, you know, helping others, philanthropic.
It's amazing.
Yeah, man, you're so, you're so, you're so right on that.
And I know there's other things that happen, but's like you know it's almost like it's a
great experience like i had like there's been there's been kids that came when my son would
come home they would come with they've never seen the beach like these these kids could be from
wherever you know i mean and they got accepted to this school.
And like the parents fly them in, you know what I mean?
They fly them home.
Like these kids will not even like my son will tell me like, dad, you know, we didn't
have to go.
We didn't have no class on Friday.
Like his friends, the parents will put them on the airplane, fly them home on Thursday
night and then get them back to school by Sunday night.
So they're back at school on Monday morning.
Like and these kids never even seen the beach like like and I could just tell because when they come in, like I don't know this kid.
Like my son's, you know, but you know what?
The whole weekend, nothing but respect.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Call me by Mr like yes sir like just like you can tell these are good kids man good kids man just good kids and they want to
achieve man they want to build things they want to like like they want to like like it's almost like you've got like a thousand little steve jobs you
know i mean these guys like and i understand other shit goes on in college too don't get me wrong but
you know so i do think college has a place it hey easy you know what like i said i graduated in 93
so like college was, in my opinion,
college was almost needed back then.
You need to have that on your resume.
What's your opinion or Sikasa?
What's your opinion?
Like today for kids that are graduating in 2026,
is it mandatory?
You know what I mean?
Look, I run a mortgage company and I pull credit reports.
I'm seeing tremendous amounts of student loan debt
that these people just can't pay.
Like, so is it worth paying 40, 50,000, $60,000 a year
for a four-year degree these days?
You know what I mean?
It's like, where's that balance?
Where do you say, yeah, let's go to college?
You know, where my daughter goes to college, it's $72,000 a year, but she doesn't pay that because she gets grants and all that type of stuff. But where's that line where you're saying it's worth it or it isn't worth it? You know what I mean?
bro i was gonna let someone else answer now i can tell you i got something i got something
i got some yeah go ahead i was debating on it all right so i had two things were you talking
about is the cost of college worth it or is paying it off worth it in the end well just
you look if you if you want to go to school – like when I went to school, it was $13,000 a year, right?
I paid my student loan.
It wasn't much.
But the kids these days, they're going to school.
If you want to go to Duke, Duke's probably $100,000 a year, whatever.
I hit the wrong button trying to bring someone up.
I'm sorry.
That's right. Is it worth for somebody,
for the everyday American that isn't making up $10 million a year? They want to send their kid
to a school and they're struggling, but they're doing it and they're paying $50,000 a year.
Let's say they get grants and scholarships, whatever, and they're paying 25, but they're struggling. Where's that threshold where, you know, when I was in school, we didn't have the
internet. You had to open a book. You had to go to the library to research shit. Now you just,
you know, click on a link on a phone and you can learn anything in the world. Like, so where's the threshold of like,
you know,
how much,
how much you going to pay and put your kid in debt rather than maybe trying
you know,
start a business.
I don't know.
You know what I mean?
Like,
where's that,
where's that line these days?
I'll tell you as a college dropout myself an art school college dropout because i
couldn't afford that shit myself so from experience i'm giving you my answer um like if i wasn't ready
for it financially even with the grants it didn't work out for me you know what i mean but i ended
up paying it off you know got it taken care of and shit all good now but to be honest with you
i would love to go to school again but i can't afford that shit just what it is you know i mean
like because what i had to pay for before it was a lot more than I expected, even with the grants.
So from experience, it was just too much.
So if you're not prepared for it or you don't have parents that have paid for it like people do sometimes, it's just not going to work.
So some of us are just like, hey, that's just how I feel about it personally.
So, yeah.
And listen, the question you're asking is a very valid question and i'm like i don't
fall in that category like like and i'm probably a little unique i like i don't mind saying it
i fall in a category that high school is a four year it It's four years, 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th grade.
It took me five years to get through high school.
Like if my son, I know what it cost.
It was $94,000 for my son to go to Duke.
My son could have went to Duke.
And so I don't fall in the category of struggling to put my son through Duke.
I could have put my son through Duke. I could have put my son through Duke.
It was $94,000 a year.
Like, he actually got in Duke.
I was fucking around with C.
Casa earlier and just fucking around and playing.
Like, that's what, okay.
And then, like, the truth is, he could have went right here to UNCW, where I live at, and they were, well, basically, it wouldn't have cost me nothing, and he would have got an extra $8,000 to go overseas.
What he ended up doing was going to a very good business school.
We have the Cameron Business School here in Wilmington.
And Jason knows the founder.
And all y'all know the founder.
The founder, Cameron, like when you look him up, you're going to see publicly traded company.
Like he owned waste industries.
Like so. And I've just fucked up.
No, no, no, no.
I just fucked up.
I just said something I shouldn't have said.
And I was wrong on that.
But anyway, damn, I can't believe I said that.
But anyway, so my son goes to the school.
And so it cost me $32,000 a year, not $94,000.
But again, my son could have stayed at home and would have got basically $8,000 credit.
So we went in the middle.
But again, the school is a very good school.
It's a very good school.
And I don't know what it cost when CECASA went.
But that's what the that's what
the price was a year ago a year and a half ago it was 94k pretty sure it was in the highest
it goes up like three or four percent at least annually yeah what's crazy is these schools
charge 70 000 a year but they $5 billion in their endowment.
It's a hedge fund.
It's a fucking hedge fund, right?
It's ridiculous.
Yeah, the $32 with $36K I'm getting, he's getting like a $17,000 grant.
You know what I mean?
Not a grant.
What's it called?
Yeah, a grant.
What's it called?
Yeah, a grant. It's it called? Yeah, a grant.
It's like you don't have to pay it back or anything.
I did the same thing with my daughter. My daughter could have gone anywhere in Florida for free because of her grades, but she wanted to go to a school in Chicago.
And I said, you can go as long as you get grants and things that pay a majority of it because why go there when you can go here for free?
So that was the trade-off.
And you know what?
She did it.
And God bless her.
She's a good kid.
Thank God.
Knock on wood.
But it's just that trade-off is for kids these days,
that trade-off and for the parents.
How much are you willing to spend for this college education in this, you know?
And remember, it's above and beyond that, right?
Because now I pay for the frat fees.
Like, it's another $1,700, $1,800 a year for him to be in that frat, right?
So you pay that?
Like, shit, my son had a splinter, bro.
A splinter.
A splinter. A splinter.
And he went to the school doctor.
It was $154.
A splinter.
Like, so, like, so I do understand.
But here's the thing.
What people don't.
So, for me, bro.
Like, I don't care what the money costs.
Like it's it's my watch.
You know what I mean?
As a father, as a guy that come from the background I come from, like and I'm not being like rude or anything.
I'm trying to be realistic with people.
Like people probably are here in crypto and like they want that watch like you want that
90 000 watch or you want that fucking 250 000 car and to me i think it's insane when you when
you rent your house and your goal is to get a car or 200 000 but but listen i don't that's fine
but so i guess to put it in the same situation for me, and I know the question you're asking, when is to, and I've seen people putting their thumbs down and thumbs up.
But for me, bro, it wouldn't have made a damn.
Like, it's like, bro, if it's not about, for me, it's not about the money.
Right.
For me, it's the four years of experience.
I worked too hard, bro.
I just came from what you see I'm saying.
Yeah, I understand.
I'm talking for more people like Chad Slime that can't afford it, that have to take loans out.
You know, Charting, one thing I would say for parents and or kids today is whatever you decide if you if they if they do go just make
sure it's not not a job that you're after or a career that you're after that ai is going to
replace after you spend i spent 60 started at 50 grand a year went to 70 by the time my daughter
was done um so you know i don't think her job's going to be replaced with what she does and she
lives in australia but make sure that But make sure that the career path you take
wherever you're going to school, that this new intelligence is going to be.
Yeah, I absolutely agree.
And I think transvestite studies, there's a very big future in that right now.
Yeah, that and underwater basket moving.
I mean, come on, guys.
It's good.
Hey, go ahead, Sam.
You've got your hand up.
And everyone else, if y'all want to speak, hand up, man.
We've got a stage full.
But go ahead, Sam.
Yeah.
I was listening to the conversation easy.
You said it took you five years to finish four, four year high school. Um, I got booted out twice off, off the Irish equivalent of high school.
And then after that had to go back, my dad had to drive around trying to find a school that would let me in to repeat my, it's called the leaving certificate
in Ireland, not a high school diploma.
Uh, so I was, uh, almost 19 by the time I got done.
And I didn't want to go to college.
My parents didn't have the money to send me to college.
So I just went to work.
And after a couple of years of doing that,
I earned more money in the 90s than I'll probably ever earn again.
Uh, a year I was doing really well in the nineties, uh, in my hometown where I was
known, where I was known as a, an upstart and a troublemaker, but, uh, but I worked
hard and, um, anyway, I got it into my head in the late nineties.
Hey, this internet thing's really taken off and everybody's going to college.
And I went to college, got a degree, and then I took a year out to figure out what I was going to do.
And went to college again, got a master's.
I started a PhD, got rug pulled with the financial crisis.
And then long story short, a couple of years ago when the metaverse was going to be big, I paid to do an executive program at Wharton on the metaverse.
So, but my answer to that question is, I don't know, I've got a two-year-old here behind me and I've already put a lot of time into thinking, will I encourage him to go to college or not go to college?
And I could make an argument for both.
Like he's an only kid.
He's going to be an only kid.
So maybe for the camaraderie and friendship and people that he'll meet and network and that he can do, maybe I'll be in favor of him going.
But like in terms of education, like how do we, depends how you define education, right?
Easy, I don't know if this is popular in this space or not,
or how people feel, but there's two guys I have a lot of respect for,
the Cardones.
And I hear Grant Cardone sometimes when he's on stage
with very educated people, and he sometimes says it himself.
He'll apologize before he speaks, and he'll say,
well, there's a lot of
brains in this stage and a lot of degrees, but he's a guy who, like, I don't want to speculate
what Grant's worth, but he's very successful, a good family man, successful in business. I don't
know how much college he has. Um, so, uh, I don't know what my answer is, but I'll say this much. The world is changing.
And I think this notion of college and a piece of paper legitimizing who you are and what you are, I don't know.
I don't know.
Yeah, like I had Gary Cardone on my podcast last spring, and we got onto this topic.
And Gary, I think his youngest had just graduated high school at that stage, and so he started talking about it.
And he said, they just got out of high school, and they got taught a load of woke stuff.
He said, I'm going to have to spend more money trying to get them unwoked.
And then they're going to go to college, and they're going to get woked again.
But he was making the point with the way AI is going.
You could possibly in a few years pay for your kid to be at home with you
and to get tutored by the best professor in the world on any topic that you choose.
And for the social aspect,
what the money you're saving,
you could send them off four times a year skiing and doing all the fun stuff
and doing all the social,
like,
I don't know if I'm making sense,
but like I'm on the fence easy.
Like I fully respect that you're proud of your son and what he's doing.
I respect that.
But like maybe when my kids,
your son's age,
maybe the world will have changed a little bit more.
So I'm already thinking about it.
And,
if the time comes and he says to me,
I don't want to go,
I'm not going to bust us chaps and force him.
so yeah,
the world is changing folks folks. And who knows?
Who knows where we're going to be in another 10 years with AI and home education?
Yeah, I would just keep a more open mind about it.
Sam, you have 16 years to think about that, right?
I mean, where...
Well, he's got 15.
He's got 15.
Yeah, 15.
Like, where are we going to be in 15 years?
There might not even be a university system.
You might not even have a college.
Colleges might not even exist in 15 years.
Yeah, but I don't think that's what Sam's whole point there was.
Like, Sam's whole point.
So, like, the only thing i would say like which would have
been really great for me like if someone has a child that in 15 years is going to go to college
they got college saving plans but i would just say you know buy 0.2 of a bitcoin and say this
is for my kids college and what's probably going to happen
in 15 years, you're going to be able to put your kid through any college if he wants to go for the
whole four years and you have money left over. That's the thing. I'm being realistic. And I
think I'm being very realistic with that number. I'm being very real. Just let's say on this, just to be on the safe
side. If you just did a 0.3 of a Bitcoin over 15 years, think about what that will be worth.
Even with inflation. So again, uh, but go ahead, chartinging what i wanted is just and i agree with what charting's saying
and i just wanted to like so there and listen this is the question here what is college worth
what is it not worth see some people put like the truth is bro the truth like, if my son graduated high school, like, he could just do whatever.
Like, dude, the fact of the matter is, after I pay all this money for college, and he says,
dad, and listen, my son, this summer when he comes home, he's going to get his realtor's
license.
So he's still going to be in college getting his realtor's license,
going to college for business. And listen, for all I know, when he graduates, he says, dad,
I want to get in the insurance business. I just buy an insurance. I'll just find a small insurance
company. I'll say, no, well, son, if you really want to get in the insurance business go to work
for an insurance company so he's going to graduate college and go to work for an insurance company
then after 18 months that he's worked for the insurance company I said okay good son
you went through college you got good grades you did this. You actually went to work for the insurance company. Now we'll just
we'll buy you a book. Let's find a small insurance company. I would buy the book.
My son would run it. As the company makes more money, well, we're going to take the profit,
son. We're going to buy someone else's book. And I understand that that's not the typical case for people, but the hope here is it's not
about the college. It's not about that. What I hope you understand is I'm just a dude.
It took me five years to go to high school. Hey, Easy, some of the most successful people that i've met
have not graduated college have not gone to college and that have dropped out of high school
so you know what i mean high school chart it's it's unbelievable you have no idea how many people
that i know that are close confidence of mine that have the lack of education, but the extreme success in business.
It's crazy.
Jack Mallers.
Jack Mallers is one dropped out of college.
Now, he had an advantage.
His dad had trading experience, and I think his dad was already into Bitcoin.
But he's a really good example of someone who dropped out of college.
I don't know what you guys think of Jack Mallard, but he's pretty successful, right?
We have a proficiency exam here in the States, and you take that.
He is very successful.
You're talking about Jack?
You're talking about Jack, right?
I heard him tell that story himself, that he dropped out
And he came back home
I didn't even realize he dropped out
Yeah, he went off to college and he dropped out
And he came back home
And his dad
Did what you would expect a dad to do
His dad took him under his wing and
Showed him the ropes with money and finance
But he was already into Bitcoin before that, I think
But yeah, his dad steered him on the course towards bitcoin or finance or
and that's how he got a start but he's a college dropout he'll tell you that you know what's so
funny you know what's so funny when you say that about that situation it's like my son keeps saying
dad like he's i've sent him to school for business then he
says well i'm gonna come back home and take over your business i was gonna sell my business like
i was planning on selling it and it's like oh man so i'm like fuck because honestly if i don't work
the business if i don't work that motherfucker by time he's in four years of college, it's going to sell for a lot less.
And I got to.
And listen, here's my hope.
Like, I don't want to steal his dream.
But my hope for him, like he doesn't even want to take over my business.
He's like, bro, we'll franchise it.
We'll do this.
We'll do that.
And it's like, so i'm keeping my business open
but the truth is like and i'm seeing it happening here's what's happening when he come home from
christmas he's already done met this guy the other guy they're already like learning how to make
patents they're like like they're solving problems based on the beds in
college. They've literally done went to three colleges, measured beds. Like they've already
got the prototype. They built it with cardboard and like, they're going to use 3d printing.
And like, there's another friend of his in in the in his frat is an engineer.
So he's like and my whole goal is that honestly, I would be lucky if he leaves college and says,
Dad, I don't want to take over your business and franchise it.
And I could sell my business for less money than I could have sold it a year ago.
But I'm only willing to keep it open
just because he wants to. But I would be so happy to lose money on my business. For people that have
sold businesses, you understand it's revenue, right? I can't go and sell a business and say,
well, guys, four years ago, I was doing $900,000 a year in profit. And now you're only doing 156 because
I'm down healing it. I'm trying to coast bro. Like I don't work my ass off. And it's like,
so it's like, I almost want to change my son's way of thinking. Right. But I'm going to keep it open and do what I'm doing.
Because if that's his goal or dream,
then so be it.
Let's let it happen.
You know what, Easy?
I think Elon Musk said this,
that the government will give somebody
$50,000 or $100,000 for college education,
but if you ask the government for $50,000 or $100,000
to start a business, they'll deny it.
That's what's crazy. If somebody has a great idea
and they can't get funding,
it's easier to get a college loan,
a student loan, than it is to start a business right now.
And it's always been like that.
That's sad.
No, it's so true.
What you're saying is so true.
Jason, I heard Jason say this earlier, like banks loan, like not on this space, but I've heard Jason say this. Plus it's been my experience. It's my experience. Banks loan you money when you don't
need money. Banks do not. You're saying like, I remember trying to borrow money from a bank and like like i'm i'm i'm
exaggerating but it's like bro these people wanted my child's left arm like it was insane
then when i didn't like i'm in the position now.
It's like borrowing money.
It's how I'm buying Bitcoin.
I'm buying Bitcoin.
I own a couple corporations.
I borrow money from myself now.
I'm not going to the bank.
I just flipped a fucking house, man. I flipped a
house. I borrowed the money from myself. Like I fucking charged myself the interest. I got paid
7%. I'm borrowing the money from myself. You know, um, for some people you'll understand what I'm saying and it's okay.
Some people won't, right? You just won't. You won't understand what I'm saying.
And it's okay. You don't supposed to understand.
But it's so true.
Banks won't even
when you don't need it
what happens is
you get an iPhone
and every two months
you have to
you get another four blocks
because you got somebody
begging you to come borrow money
why are they
borrowing money and it's like okay so let's just say it's not a lot of money Because you got somebody begging you to come borrow money. Why are they begging you to borrow money?
And it's like, okay, so let's just say, like, it's not a lot of money.
Oh, like, you're doing this, you're doing that.
Somehow they get this information.
We'll loan you $320,000.
Oh, okay, what you gonna loan it to me for?
Then when they tell me the number
I'm like bro I got fucking
seven times that in CDs
that are only paying me 4% 3.8%
I'll borrow it from my goddamn self before I'm gonna
borrow it from you at that money it's like you're gonna charge
me 7% 7.5%, 8%.
I don't need your money anymore.
And these are banks.
This is Live Oak Bank.
This is Coining Credit Union.
This is fucking Truist.
And I was with SunTrust 20 fucking years ago. 25 years ago. Longer than 25 years
ago. I was with SunTrust when they only had six branches. They only had six banks. That's it.
branches, they only had six banks. That's it. So I was with SunTrust when there was only six
branches. Then it grew. Then they partnered with BB&T. BB&T. Then they formed Truist.
And it's people from Truist. I'm like, bro, where were you at 27 years ago,
like, bro, do you not, like, I just was trying to buy a piece of equipment, and it's like,
like, or just want to borrow money, and they're like,
no, I'm like, well, here, I'll put up this, I'll put up that, and it's like,
like, see, I don't, like, there's some people,
and I'm not going to bore people in the room.
Like, there's probably the...
Like, and you'll probably never understand.
You'll never fully understand what I'm talking about.
25 years ago, 14 years ago, 17 years ago, bro.
Like in certain times,
now the same fucking people
are now begging me to take their money,
begging me to take it.
That's why I said,
like if Hoff, if we ever go back to zero interest rate bro i'm leveraging
on top of leveraging on top of leveraging and on top of leveraging bro if i can get 30 40 20
16 17 million from them i'm getting it yep me too yeah at zero percent at two percent at three percent at one percent i'm getting it bro
i'm gonna buy them assets i'm gonna leverage the fuck like bro i had friends of mine leveraging
their ass off bro and you know what i'm doing i got a fucking i got a forty two hundred dollar
thirty seven hundred dollars depending on the Wind and Hill insurance mortgage payment.
I'm paying $9,000 that month.
I'm paying these motherfuckers $9,000 when I should not been doing that.
I should have been leveraging that money and fucking buying something else.
And if that ever happens again, like, you know what I'm talking about, Hoff.
You know what I'm saying, bro.
The money was cheap, bro.
Easy.
Isn't that what Saylor's doing with Bitcoin?
He's offering convertibles at 0%.
Getting all the money, right?
Isn't that what he did?
That's what the successful people do.
Easy.
A very quick story.
There's a guy back home in Ireland.
He was actually my football coach, soccer coach,
and he had a haulage business.
Bought his first couple of trucks that were falling apart.
And I didn't see him for a couple of months.
And then when I saw him again, he'd bought two new rigs.
And two new rigs in the early 90s in a small town was big.
And I said to him, damn, business must be doing well. And he says, what he says what do you mean and i said well have you got the money together for these two trucks
he said i'm going to give you a lesson now and don't ever forget it he said when you're in
business don't ever use your own money don't ever use your own money you play the banks
and easy what you're describing is what successful people do. That's what's so broken about the fiat system.
People think when people are rich that they saved up and saved up and saved up until they're rich.
No, they didn't.
No, they didn't.
They're the ones that are into the nuts with the banks.
And the guy that's out in a blue-collar job that's working honestly, bringing home a paycheck and trying to save out of it, that's the guy that gets screwed.
that's working honestly, bringing home a paycheck and trying to save out of it.
That's the guy that gets screwed.
So you're right easy when the conditions are right.
And I'm prepping for it right beside you.
Um, like where leverage is wrong, easy.
And you hear this on spaces is like when people are leveraging their
current Bitcoin stack, right.
Uh, and they're trading on it and that's, I wouldn't recommend that, but with
Fiat, take it, take it. If recommend that. But with fiat, take it.
Take it.
If you can get it at low interest, take it.
Like I did it.
I did it with credit card checks at 0%
to buy Bitcoin.
And you know what happens
before the interest-free period runs out?
Another check will come through the door.
Somebody will do a balance transfer,
and then when that period's up,
another balance transfer.
And I worked out, I did all the math.
Easy, 8% a year.
It cost me 8% a year to use the credit card money.
Not using a credit card itself to buy Bitcoin, but using the check that they send you and put the cash in the bank.
So yeah, easy.
You've got it figured out, man.
That's the way in the bank. So yeah, easy. You've got it figured out, man. That's the way to do it.
Banks don't make money.
When you said that banks,
when you need the money,
where are they?
Like that thing about 7%,
they don't want somebody coming along
borrowing money and paying back at 7%.
That's not how they're making money either.
They're hoping to lend to the guy
that gets into trouble
and the interest goes up to 15%
and then they end up paying
five years more than they were meant to pay in the first
place. That's how greedy they are.
Hey Sam.
Sam, do you, okay, so
you basically right now
you know, do you know Grant?
I introduce you to
the space right now. He's's a master he's a fucking master at it bro this is
the other thing like this is what i've done with jason i've done with grant like for people y'all
don't know like google like you can do research you can look you can read books you can like these guys are masters they're business geniuses like just listen do you know
grant um sam he's here like he's a master at what we're talking about we haven't spoke directly on
spaces but i've listened to grant a lot over the past five six months and i have huge respect
for him uh huge respect grant i mentioned your name before you joined we were talking about
to send kids to college or not and um i was mentioning you you said in a space recently
that there was a lot of degrees on the space along with you and you didn't think you were bright
enough to be in the space and i was saying you're maybe brighter than all of them put together. I was making the point
that hard work overcomes pieces
of paper, right? So, I don't know,
Grant, I haven't spoken to him directly, but
yeah, big respect. Big respect
for both as a man and as
a businessman.
I'm a master of very
few things.
But, I never use debt.
I never...
Master damn Bader.
Yeah.
You are, son.
You taught me everything I know.
Taught you well, too, boy.
You know, what was being said about the blue the blue collar worker you know in all fairness
you know they they they use debt to buy stuff and i would include a house in that stuff
and the wealthy don't they they use debt to buy assets and to create more wealth
and that's not the fault of the banks by the way the banks are offering
they're offering the the the product any more than you can blame you know
the drug dealer that that got it that introduced me to drugs i mean i blame him if I wanted to, but I'm the one that took him.
He's not talking about me, y'all.
No, no, he's not talking about you.
about you. But Gary does
But Gary does know who I'm talking about.
know who I'm talking about.
I know what you were talking about
if I knew what you were talking about.
I'm not following you.
Give it to me like I'm
a simple man.
Yeah, don't borrow money to buy stuff. Oh, wow.
I had my mic off. Did y'all not hear me? Don't borrow money to buy stuff oh wow i had my mic off did y'all not hear me
don't borrow money to buy stuff so we got grant here i don't know when my mic cut off
but grant we were talking earlier and what i was saying is i'm admitting i did it backwards
so when when interest rates were basically cheap money, I wasn't leveraging myself.
I had a $3,700 a month mortgage payment, and I'm over there paying $9,500 a month, $9,200 a month.
Like I'm paying down a two and three quarter, 15 year arm, all these things. I'm paying three and four times
the money on the payment when the interest was cheap, the money was cheap.
When I had friends of mine leveraging the hell out of it, you know what I mean?
You could build a spec house for 135 145 you could get
1300 a month rent for it now fast forward to today that house sells for 350 and the rent is 2600
and it's like i'm 50 years old it's like in my lifetime do you think we'll ever see that cheap
money again and if we do I know what to do.
The opposite of what I've done.
Yes, we will see the cheap money again.
I'm going to leverage it up.
We will see the cheap money again.
Guys, how did we get on to that talk about...
Sorry, sorry, kids are going mad here. guys how we get on to that talk about sorry
kids are going mad here
how we get on to that chat was college
Jesus
the cost of college and whether to send kids
to college or not
Gary I heard you talk about that before
is anybody speaking
yeah Sam was talking
I was trying to speak but my kids
squealing
Gary we were talking about kids going to college and you know Yeah, Sam was talking. I was trying to speak, but my kids squealing.
Gary, we were talking about kids going to college and, you know, as dads, like, you know, is college worth it?
We're talking about what knowledge is.
Do they need college anymore?
That's kind of how we get on to this conversation.
Yeah, I just finished her with my 18-year-old daughter,
who she said to me she just left high school and decided to go travel the world in her field,
but she's going to take two years off
and go around all over the world
while she does her, you know, on some online studies, um, and go with experts in her field,
which is veterinarian, but that's not the point.
She told me today, she's like, wow, I'm talking to my friends.
I'm so glad I didn't go into college and just sit there and do nothing. Um, so like, I hope my
second daughter does not want, she will have to have a very, very good reason to go to college.
And I think in two years, like I'll be stuck at Harvard and Duke and Stanford, make it through
this. I don't know who's going to fund those endowments
and pay $100,000 to go to school when I can do that.
I'm going to be able to do that with Optimus Prime
in two years for probably 12 grand a year.
I can tell you the Duke alum, they've stepped it up a lot this year.
I feel the difference. It's palpable.
So it's definitely, they can sense it.
And you see what's happened in, what, two weeks since these AI agents have stepped up to a different echelon.
The exponential nature that this shit is going to unfold and is going to be stunning.
And we don't have a frame of reference for it.
And I've already dipped a toe in the autonomous agent,
building them out in the open cloud, all that stuff.
I mean, you literally have a workforce of 300 people,
the manpower in the palm of your hands
if you know how to harness it.
And you put that in the hands of the people
that are well capitalized,
it's going to change the entire landscape.
Man, I was stuck on, I was stuck, my, my, my phone was stuck, so I didn't realize Gary was talking but
and I caught the tail end of that but we do have Grant here and hopefully everyone can hear me
but like I was saying about leveraging your money leveraging your money like leveraging your money. Like I was like, I was the guy that, you know,
building spec homes, 165, 175.
I'm at the beach.
You can rent them out for 1300.
And we heard, we heard all that.
Oh, y'all heard that.
Okay, good.
Yeah, man.
We heard all that.
We heard it the first time, man.
Shit, it wasn't even good the first time.
Okay, so what do we do then?
Shit ain't going to be better the second time.
2.3 quarter interest rate.
Okay, so my question is then, will I ever, I'm 50,
will I ever see that cheap money again?
We heard that too.
I told you three times. Yes, you will.
Okay.
They're not going to bring it down to two and a half.
I almost don't want them to bring it down to two and a half again.
Why? Why will they do that?
Why would they do that when we just saw what happened from that?
That would be retarded.
I'll tell you why they'll do it and why you can be guaranteed they'll do it.
Because every time before this, they said they wouldn't do it again and they did.
Yeah, but those, I mean,
2.5% was... Yeah, they will do it again, bro.
It'll be zero.
Jesus.
Hey, can I ask a question?
What would be the
benefit of them doing that?
Because I'm taking notes when you cats are on the room.
I can think of a couple benefits, but short term and self-serving they'll they'll do it to prime an economy that's that's
stagnated you know they'll do it to get housing moving again and you think they do that rather
than like as in the form of stimulus they'll do both they'll So they just got to print more money, right?
They'll always print
more money.
By the way,
printing money is not that bad a thing.
If you know...
It's backed by the strongest military
on the planet. It's a fucking great a great thing hey can we get back to
the i think the discussion though was how much leverage because if i understood uh the gentleman
say correctly he bought down three percent money and i think grant you and i have not used leverage
enough we've been too conservative.
You know, my message is when the money gets cheap and you think you can beat that rate,
you take it all day long, every day.
As long as you can pay the interest payments and you're disciplined.
I mean, I'm getting 5% money now.
I don't know what people are talking about.
These rates most certainly are coming down. Six months ago, that was
not available.
Guys, did you see an Anthony
pump
yesterday
that Truflation is at
0.68%?
So, if that figure is right,
Truflation at 0.68%.
Truflation is at what?
0.68, so why in the hell wouldn't you run interest at zero?
There's no inflation.
See, I think inflation is not nearly as high as everyone says it is.
And it's not, the inflation that we have is not because the money supply.
It's because we blew up some pipelines.
I mean, that put a massive, we broke supply chains in COVID.
We then go break supply chains in the energy sector to Europe.
Completely starve Europe of cheap energy.
The cheapest in the world, by the way.
And that's where all this inflation came from.
All the food lines, everything was disrupted during those four years
with these psychopath retards that have no idea what they're doing.
These people are so out of control.
They're running it right into the ground.
I don't think this is about money.
I think it's about all the supply shocks and more.
The writing is on the wall.
If we get calm back in the market, the innovation is getting to take place.
I think two years from now, we are going to see magnificent changes of efficiencies.
Well, the writing is on the wall with the abundance of energy and health care,
all these things that are going to be drastically improved and transformed.
We're already seeing that and it's happening fast. So the abundance factor, I don't think is being factored in either because, you know, we're yet to realize it.
But you're definitely right that there's going to be a nice set of ingredients to justify lowering rates.
Hey, Grant, question for you.
Own a mortgage company in Boca Raton, know your property that you bought here. I'm seeing when I pull credit reports that the consumers are just tapped out
credit-wise. They can't qualify for loans. Car payments are through the roof. Credit cards are
through the roof. Debt-to- income ratios don't qualify them to do anything
what are you seeing with your properties like if you're trying to sell a condo
well we don't sell condo well go ahead and so so yeah i agree with you 100 percent like
and that's why rates have to come down and and and in addition to what gary said i would just say the the rates the interest rate
is inflationary okay when you have you know when you have the greatest economy in the world
we we america has a consumer nation that has never been duplicated anywhere on the planet
and we should have the cheapest money on planet earth
Pied and that expensive money by the way is punishing the middle class it is not
punishing wealthy people it actually is a rewarding the wealthy people that
save money and have assets and it puts pressure on anybody that over leveraged themselves.
But we should have much cheaper money.
The way to reduce the cost of housing in this country is to have very low interest rates.
It doesn't mean immediately, contrary to everybody's mass agreement,
lower interest rates don't necessarily raise prices you can
look at all the charts of housing for the last hundred years if you want to
just because the rates are low does not mean the price goes up in fact if they
lowered rates right now you would increase supply of housing that's for
sale and it's transacting and the prices would come down because the activity would increase.
And the supply chain is what caused the inflation,
not just the printing of money.
When you can't get what you want,
there's no supply and demand is still there.
People will pay higher prices.
And that's what happened during COVID.
And then again, what happened with energy
that Gary was talking about?
When you can't get it, you'll pay anything for it if you absolutely have to have it or want it.
What I'm seeing, Grant, right now is the Fed could lower rates 500 basis points right now, and it will not help the consumer.
The average day –
I don't agree with that.
Absolutely.
First of all, the car payments would go from $700 back to $300.
Yeah, but they're not refinancing the car payments.
You're not refinancing.
Very rarely does somebody refinance a car payment.
No, I'm not saying they're going to refinance their car payment.
They're going to trade their car in.
Cars are not being sold.
You have some of the highest automotive inventories in my lifetime are sitting in car dealerships today.
Right.
Kia is off like 500% or something.
It's some crazy number.
That's an affordable car because the rates on these cars are too high.
When you're paying 8% interest on an automobile, your payment's 700 when it should be 300.
Your payment's $700 when it should be $300.
I have a borrower right now, Grant.
I have a borrower right now, Grant.
Nine and three-eighths on a 72-month Mercedes.
No money down.
His payment's $27.15 a month.
He tried to refinance his house, and he doesn't qualify because his debt-to-income ratio.
I mean, that's what I'm saying.
Yeah, no, I agree with you.
It's insane.
It's insane.
Let me tell you what that guy's going to do He's going to walk away from his bins
And he's going to Uber
For probably 18 months
Until some
Manufacturer with too much inventory
And they all have too much right now
Provides him with a
You know a recovery loan
The thing is he can afford
He can afford
What he has with his everyday
expenses. He can afford it. But as far as Fannie Mae is concerned, he doesn't, he can't afford it.
That's the issue, right? He makes enough money to afford all the shit he has. But because he couldn't afford the 24-month lease,
he financed it for 60 months, and he's pretending to be a voler.
Right. I lost you for a little bit there, but yeah,
it's just what I'm seeing when I pull credit reports,
it's just insane numbers of hundreds of thousands of dollars of credit card
debt at 28, 29, you know, whatever that number is,
that even if the fed cuts rates 2%, 3%, 4%, from 29.99 to 25.99
really isn't helping these people. You got people buying burritos on fucking buy now, pay later,
or buy now, it's just insane what I'm seeing. So yes, we need to lower interest rates somehow. The Fed needs to come in somehow and buy mortgage-backed securities to drive down mortgage rates, which will help the everyday rate does mortgage rates usually track?
I know there's a lag.
I hear different people saying different things, four months, six months, nine months.
How far behind do mortgage interest rates lag?
I'll turn to that.
How long is the price of Bitcoin going to lag?
That's the question, Sam.
I don't know why you guys are fucking looking at mortgages.
Let's talk about bitty Bitcoin.
Who's going to short it?
Yeah.
What are your thoughts, Gary? Who's going to short it?
I think people will short this thing, actually.
I recommend it.
There's a ton of shorts on this thing right now.
What are your thoughts, Gary?
I heard you got trolled a week or two ago. What are your thoughts, Gary?
I heard you got trolled a week or two ago.
People figured you sold your Bitcoin.
I didn't think so, but what are your thoughts about what's going on and how low it can go?
Well, I think it can go lower for sure.
I think it can go lower for sure. I think it will go lower.
I mean, I think we'll most certainly test 59 again.
Well, we have to go test 58.
And we go test that again.
And if it holds, cool.
I'm not so sure it's going to hold, though.
So if it breaks 58, we, you know, we have a buying experience, opportunity of a lifetime.
But I just don't see anything.
Somebody's got an open mic, but I don't see anything that's going to, you know, if the $300 Bitcoin holders aren't going to fucking step up, this is just going to be six or eight months, right, of just grind it out.
Unless we get a bunch of, you know, news about Saudi Arabian guys buying billions and billions, which could happen any moment.
But there's just not a lot of bullish.
There's so many things that can go wrong right now and are going wrong, by the way.
I'm not investing when I know the entire world is run by a bunch of crazy people.
I start pulling back going, oh, man, these people are sicker than I thought they were.
So I think other people will have that same kind of, you probably lost some Bitcoiners in the last two weeks because of the news.
Guarantee you some people said I'm out.
So whether it's right or wrong, right? This kind of news is not healthy for an investment
thesis. So that's all I'm saying. It's just negative right now. And you can say it's not,
but it is. And you can talk about it all you want and hopium but hopium for me is not like when i get upside down
on something or i miss timing and i i miss timing on every freaking deal i've ever done
it hasn't gone perfectly smooth straight up and vertical to the right it's never it's always been
the journey this is no different than running a business And to think that we can come in here and pick a price of what's going to happen, it's a fool's game.
In fact, by the way, it's everyone's fool's game because no one has gotten this thing right.
And there's a lot of sharp minds looking at this Bitcoin.
And no one, not one human being has got this right.
So it's just a business, right? If I look at it as a business, an emerging business,
and I remove the time and I realize, hey, for me to build a business, for me to go into a deal
with Grant, we're going to be hanging out for eight plus years together on a real estate deal,
be hanging out for eight plus years together on a real estate deal, probably longer. And for me to
be able to look out and go, okay, I'm taking a weighty bet. I'm making an investment in Bitcoin
as an industry. And I have eight years. I think it's a great thesis. We'll find out. We'll know
in four. See, that's the cool thing about this
particular business. You know in three or four years if your thesis is right, and it allows you
to pour in more investment once you've reconfirmed your thesis. That's what I love about Bitcoin.
Or you cannot reinvest. You can cool your jets.
And I think one of the things I've learned from Bitcoin is that this is not a market you have to ape into.
Bitcoin will come to you and hit your bid if you are patient.
I am totally convinced of that. If you're reasonable, like I think I can get hit at $59,000.
I'll bet you I can buy $59,000 Bitcoin in the next probably 10 days
But I have to put the bid there
and and you know, so
That's Sam. That's the way I'm looking. I just I think like let's ask Grant. Let me turn the question. Hey, Grant, what's your real estate worth right now?
Okay, what's the value of that property that that man just mentioned?
Exactly right now, this afternoon, you've got to sell it.
Like, he doesn't know.
Yeah.
So, hey, Grant, I have a question, and maybe this is not a popular question, but at what
point in the future, you know, you're investing in this asset, some of us have had it and
sold it early, early on, like from 2015 to 2017, and only kept 10%, right?
And it enabled a pretty great retirement closer to 60 years old that I'm at
right now. At what point do you consider it, you know, you want to dump it or sell some of it or
take the profits? Like, I don't hear a lot of people talking about that. And that's something
I'm always wondering. Like, you know, I get holding a valued asset over a period of time is basically how you gain wealth.
But at some point, you do want to sell and take the profits, right?
Is there a thesis behind that or a strategy behind that?
You know, maybe.
But if you study the wealthiest people, they don't sell their assets.
They wait for their assets to appreciate greatly, and then they lever against that asset again,
never overleveraging, being very disciplined.
They have cash flow the entire time, so their asset, their business, whatever it is,
the company or the real estate, in my case, continues to cash flow.
And they continue to use leverage, pull money out.
Those are non-taxable events.
And they don't get rid of their assets that they believe 10 years ago was valuable, hopefully is still more valuable today and will be even more valuable 10 years from now.
So the goal would not be to sell something.
The middle class sells things.
That is the significant difference between middle class rich people and the upper tier wealthy people.
The upper tier does not sell.
Yeah, I mean, I'm in that category. I'm not,
I'm not nowhere near that, that, that upper tier, but you say you're looking for a score when you're
on the way up. You're looking for a victory. You're looking for a win. Right. I was, I was 30,
31 years old and I bought a piece of real estate. I paid $1.9 million for it.
I put $350 down.
I knew when I bought it, I stole it,
because the guy spent $5 million building it,
and I paid under two.
I knew the moment I bought it,
I'm like, one day we get back to five,
because that's what he spent to build it.
Well, sure enough, three years, 37 months later,
it was worth $5.2 million. Somebody made me an
offer of $5.2 million, but I was dumb. I didn't understand money yet. The score looks so good,
I got blinded by the score. I sold the asset. Well, what I should have done had I been sophisticated
or had a little more experience, I would have borrowed against
the asset, pulled a couple million dollars out, and I'd still own it today. Today, it's worth 20
million. I would have refinanced it three times over the period of 27 years. I would still own
the asset. It was still cash flow. I would have no money in it. I would never pay taxes on all
the money I pulled out of it. And I would have used all that dough to go buy more real estate and to do that again.
Right.
And I would say the same story is going to hold true for Bitcoin.
That's what I was going to say.
That's what I was going to ask you is because when I did what I did, I did it so that I
could pay off the few properties that I had so that I had cash flow for the rest of my
life and I could fuck off and surf and do what I want for the rest of my life,
which is what I'm doing, right?
I didn't realize.
EZ even asked me one time,
if you never would have sold that Bitcoin, would your life change?
And anyway, and really what it would have been,
I might have been more of a philanthropist or maybe at a higher level,
like where you guys are at,
but I took that score because I wanted the freedom to never have to work again.
Right? And so I just didn't realize at that time, is that a fumble? guys rap, but I took that score because I wanted the freedom to never have to work again. Right.
And so I just didn't realize at that time, is that a fumble? Like part of me thinks it is,
but part of me realizes that I'll never have probably, oh, I know I won't have what you guys
have, but I, but I do live a really decent life. Right. So I just, I think at some point,
it sounds like you hit your target and say, congratulations, well done.
The thing that, the thing that you might have done different, now you're looking back, maybe before you took that score, you could have maybe put some inflation on your goals.
You know, you would have expanded the goal and say, okay, wait a minute, let me redefine what my goals are before I take this score.
Yeah.
Because here's the problem with winning the game.
When you win the game, it ends.
And then you go surfing for a while and you look up and you're like,
fuck, I need another game.
And you're probably going to.
Yeah, but Grant, Grant, let me bounce in. Because, you know, there's not just one way, though.
And I know you're not saying that.
And I agree there's not one way.
I mean, look, dude, I walked away from a career at 41 years old, 25 years in energy.
I was like, it's the very top of the field.
And I'm like, I'm done.
I'm not having fun anymore.
Fuck this.
Took some time off, like what you're doing.
Took five years off, studied a bunch of things that I was interested in.
And then recreated another experience and killed it.
Just crushed it.
So I don't know how old you are, but I was 52 at the time when I started a second career.
And then built another one.
And I'm on my last problem, my last one right now.
So like you can reshape yourself very rapidly.
Especially if you're not, you know, having to do hourly wage work just to pay the bills. So if you can learn to surf, man, you can learn to build another business
or exercise a different muscle.
Right.
I just, the existential question for me
becomes that at some point,
like, all right, I'm getting there.
I would ask like you two in particular,
because you're so successful at some point,
like not to be more, but if someone came to you like a doctor and said, because you're so successful at some point, like not to be more,
but if someone came to you like a doctor and said, you've got 10 years left, would you still
find that next game? Or would you just kind of do what you did and leave some dough on the table
and just live life to the fullest? And maybe that is life for you for the fullest, right? And maybe
it's just because some people are wired differently than others, right? Because I feel like I'm content with being able, maybe not flying in a private jet,
but first class wherever I want, whenever I want, wherever I want, you know, kind of
whenever I want.
And I'm doing the things that I've loved to do my whole life.
And I feel like I've won, right?
And I'm going to continue to win without having to struggle and make that deal.
But I guess I'm just wired different.
I'm always wondering with guys like you that have the success,
is there ever a time where you just want to take that pause for the rest of the days?
Or does that not work for you?
If I'm making sense, maybe I'm rambling, I don't know.
Well, I can only speak for myself.
It's a game for me, man.
If I'm not playing the game and having fun, I get bored.
So it's like you call it work.
I'm not struggling.
I don't work.
I play.
I mean, I think I have almost a perfect life now.
But, you know, it didn't – it required some work.
I mean, I had to get rid of a lot of shit too.
it's,
it's going to be a journey.
Like success is people say,
Hey,
you get success and it doesn't change you.
You want to fucking bet.
Okay.
It does.
You,
you become more responsible.
If you're lucky,
you become more responsible.
If you don't,
then you become a degenerate.
Um, but you become a degenerate.
But, you know, there's a lot of people. For me, there's a lot of people out in the world that need help, man.
Just doing these spaces, to me, this is, you know, I am afforded the luxury to take some time to help other people.
Genuinely try to help.
I mean, it seems like it's a good medium to do it.
I didn't have anybody. I couldn't crank i didn't have anybody i couldn't crank on
me grant couldn't crank on spaces we went to the bowling alley dude smoking bad weed hanging out
with a bunch of degenerates those were our mentors so uh this is pretty awesome so that
anyway that's the way i look at it grant what do you think
yeah i think his his question if I understand it right,
like there's a lot in there.
Like, okay, if I had 10 years, if the doctor said I had 10 years,
what would I do tomorrow?
Shit.
I mean, you put it into such a situation, right?
So I don't know if that's fair.
Yeah, it's existential for sure. It's just that
it's a total existential question to get into the mindset of your success, you know? Yeah. I mean,
if somebody said, Hey, you only have 10 years left. What would I do? Dude, I'd probably write a book.
You know, I'd want to write one last book. I definitely, I would definitely think about what
I'm doing every day, what I'm saying on, cause I put a lot of content book. I would definitely think about what I'm doing every day, what I'm
saying, because I put a lot of content online. I would really rethink what I'm saying to people.
Who knows, dude? It's going to shift me so hard. It's going to shift me so hard that I only have
10 years. But I'm thinking, okay, I got 25 years and what do I want to do? Well, I've always been,
thinking, okay, I got 25 years and what do I want to do? Well, I've always been,
I've been interested in wealth and creating wealth. I like the game. I, you know, it's
like, you know, and I'm inspired by people that have created unbelievable things. Like I'm
inspired by Elon. I like what Elon's done. I like his hunger, his work ethic. I like the story of
him sleeping in the factory. That shit turns me on, dude. Do you like when he brought that sink
into his office? When I what? When he brought that sink into his office. Dude, I love that shit.
I love that shit. Look, I just flew home from, I flew to Teterboro today, to New York and back,
home from i flew to teterborough today to new york and back there and back to do a 20 minute
speaking gig on my own plane fucking you know i wouldn't i didn't i wasn't on a plane until i was
27 years old and then when i got on one i flew coach for three million miles
um so and the fact that i have a my own plane today is like mind boggling to me.
It's phenomenal.
I mean, it's just amazing.
And I would never want to lose that plane, by the way.
I'm going to tell you, I don't want to lose my plane.
I, you know, I don't ever want to fly a coach again.
I don't want to fly first class again.
I don't ever want to have to do that.
And, but you know, whatever, dude, like that, that's just, that's something I
love. Cars don't mean anything to me. Houses, I like being in a nice house, but it doesn't really
matter to me what city I live in or what the house surroundings are. I like nice things, but
the shoes and the clothes and the belts and the show offoff shit the watches i have a bunch of watches i don't love
any of them they were all dumb purchases so anyway yeah but but the thing that the thing that really
moves me is helping people gary talked about this i do want to help people and how much can i help
somebody if i haven't done enough because you can only really help people to the degree you've done, done things.
Go ahead,
storm.
Yeah.
So trade places,
you and Elon,
you trade your net worth and now you have Elon's net worth.
What changes in your life?
Oh my God,
dude. Well,
first of all,
the responsibility.
I like,
as soon as you said that,
the first thing I got was this weight of responsibility can I handle
you know the first as soon as you said that I'm like can I even handle Elon's life
could I handle the press could I handle the the
the attention could I handle that amount of money could I run his companies did all of a sudden it's like good
I don't think I'm up for that shit
So let's say you don't run his companies. Let's just say you've got 250 billion dollars in that work
I mean does more go to charity? How do you help? Oh, honey sense if you could magnify it
Yeah, well well, I'm going to get I'm going to buy a fucking yacht tomorrow. I'll tell you right now. I know exactly
what I'm buying. And that's the first thing I'm going to do because I got to knock that shit out.
And then what am I doing? Dude, I'm definitely going to try to influence elections.
I'm probably going to be, you know, spending a lot of time taking three
or four states and spending shit loads of money
to make sure we get this country back on track.
I'm not sure that I'd be doing a lot different than him. I just wonder if I could even handle it.
and sending rockets to space too as well remember the rockets
And sending rockets to space, too, as well. Remember the rockets.
i i just wanted to bring a better perspective gary and grant
like very unique types of personalities and work ethics and not every if we're talking about bitcoin
here not every bitcoiner is going to emulate what they're doing and what Grant
was saying about what wealthy people do.
They don't sell their asset.
They leverage against it and borrow it.
I think that's a great point, Sam.
I don't think most Bitcoiners are hard workers.
No, no, no.
But I wasn't necessarily saying about the hard work, Grant.
The point I was trying to make was, like when you said about the middle class.
Grant, that was quite the conflation there grant
that was what gary what gary that was quite the conflation like it was quite a jump from what he
was saying no that's okay that's okay the point that i wanted to make he mentioned work ethic
and i don't when i think of bitcoiners i don't think of people that have work ethic. Oh, no, he's right.
Grant, you're right.
There are a lot of Bitcoiners who want to put their feet open and let the Bitcoin do the work.
But you can say that about anyone, though, Grant.
No, very few people can work against us.
I mean, we're a little crazy that way.
That was my point.
But what I wanted to say was, if you're a middle-class guy and you get into Bitcoin at a certain time, right? And you still have young kids, you're going out to work, your wife's going out to work,
and you're on the drag.
You're on that hamster wheel, right?
And if you've made enough out of Bitcoin that you clear the mortgage,
one of you doesn't have to go to work.
Somebody's at home with the kids.
You've still got enough set aside for retirement i don't think it's any bad thing to sort of hold your hand up and say you know what
i don't want to have to travel on holiday weekends when everyone else is out of school i don't want
to have to you know what i mean pick my kid up at 8 p.m at night and not see them and so the point
i'm trying to make is, there's all kinds of different
versions of success, right?
That's kind of what I like about Bitcoin that, you know, the high net worth
individuals can do what Grant's talking about.
They can do the big stuff, but the little guy as well, that manages to put a bit
aside, waits four to six years.
It gives them options, right?
Because there's a lot of
people out there on the grind that just have no other way to clear their mortgage. They're just
on the grind until they're whatever. So it's different for everybody.
Well, Sam, just to ask you a question, you know, I mean, obviously at Grant and Gary's level,
they put their head down for 30 years. You know, they made mistakes, but they also had
massive success. So at what point does the middle class or just say, Hey, I'm good. level, they put their head down for 30 years. They made mistakes, but they also had massive
success. So at what point does the middle classer just say, hey, I'm good, when they have so many
more people to look at and so many more things to go chase? I mean, where does that mindset
actually get the middle class? If anything, it actually starts to make them backslide.
Would you agree, or do you just think people are just content being okay?
I don't know. I think the country's full of lots of different types of people. There's people that
work hard, but they're maybe not going to take the chances and have that drive and ambition that
Grant and Gary have, but they're still hard workers. And I think a lot of people will look
at that. I would disagree with you really violently there. I think 80% of the work population is not going to work to achieve something for themselves.
They're literally leaving the house to escape their family first off, because they can't handle it 24-7.
And they're not doing what they're supposed to be doing with their lives.
They took a job after studying anatomy, couldn't get a job in 1993 because of the recession.
They take a job at McDonald's, become a manager at McDonald's, and they hate their life.
McDonald's and they hate their life. Well, gosh, you got off your journey. See, I think what Grant
Well, gosh, you got off your journey.
and I will say to this, like Sam, look, if you can make $50 to make $500 is adding one zero,
and to make $50,000 is adding three zero. These are zeros. It's mindset, man.
Well, that's what I was going to say.
That's all this is, really. It becomes a game.
I would not want to live my brother's life, okay?
I have zero interest.
That was my next question, Gary.
Can anyone who is the right worker—
Let me just finish.
I just think everyone can shape the way they want to live, but you do need some fuel, right? The more fuel you have, the more ammo you have,
the more energy you have,
the more likely I am able to create the universe
I actually want to create around myself.
And I really agree with Grant that,
hey, how can I help anyone if I haven't done anything?
How can I help anyone if I won a lottery ticket
20 years ago, 12 years ago, and I'm still – I'm leaning on it.
I can't help anybody genuinely.
So I think having – and although I don't want to do it, when someone becomes really significant, I think one of the problems we have right now we
have a lot of billionaires that aren't doing anything yeah like they're they're keeping them
actually they're keeping their mouth shut and they're not fighting against some bad guys
and the rest of them go into hiding yeah so you know i don't know i just think you need people
that that and it is a game, okay?
Like you may look at it as the grind, but if I was not enjoying what I'm doing, I wouldn't do it.
We need people like you in the world, that's for sure.
That's what I'll say.
I think we're all wired differently, right?
And when I said like, you know, surfing and diving and being raised by watermen and not doing what maybe if I had a mentor like you, I could have done in 2017, right?
But I think people are wired differently, and I commend you and appreciate it,
and I know this fucking world needs people like you in it.
So I love the idea that I have the ability.
And you.
And that I have the ability to actually have a conversation, albeit on a phone,
and I'm a cartoon character.
But, bro, it's just, we need
people like you, you and your brother in the world to fight the good fight. So I just want to put that
out there, bro. Hey, Gary, it's great to see you by the way, too, again, I'm sorry. I didn't say
hi earlier, but I want to ask you, you, you've been doing your podcasting now for I think two
and a half years. And when we were, you know, co-hosting spaces, you were just starting that.
So for you, what made you continue?
You know, cause I know it probably wasn't a linear and I see the views that you're getting.
What's really your mission with that? And, you know, why has that been so successful?
Well, I don't know that it's been that successful, but you know, I started doing the finance stuff
and the Bitcoin stuff. Cause I just heard a lot of information that once I got pretty well educated on the subject, I was hearing information that didn't make sense to me.
And most certainly, I wasn't hearing communication to people like me.
Uh, so I just, you know, when I show up somewhere, I'm going to probably just listen and be,
play a passive role until I can figure out, Hey, do I have any value to bring to this
environment? It could be the space. It could be hanging out with my brother or whatever. Right.
Um, once I see that, Hey, there's a gap and I can bring value. I think it's irresponsible for me not to do so. If no one's
filling the gap, like a man taught me once, he said, hey, if you walk into a room and you can't
spot the leader, dude, you're it. Whether you like it or not, shit hits the fan. You're the guy
if you can't spot the leader. So see, I like that. I want to be that kind of hero guy.
It's not really about the money. Grant and I really have approached this very differently.
Um, and, um, you know, it's just, it's just a game. You started getting into a game and you
develop friends and like, I like having connection with people.
Like, all the businesses I've ever been involved with, I was a team member.
And I like being a team player and being able to fuck around with guys and compete. And, you know, now when the company gets big, it becomes a little difficult for me because the politics start to show up.
But I don't know, Storm.
Listen, I've been I've cut everything, all the finance meetings out.
I only do the Sunday morning thing now because I find that to be the greatest value I can bring to the world.
Quite frankly, I think it's I don't know what I'm exactly doing, but Sunday
morning, 1030 AM, really, it's probably going to be the piece of work that I leave this planet.
Like if you told me, hey, dude, you're going to die in a year, I would continue doing those Sunday
services. I would spend two hours or so with my kids, tell them a few things. And then I would paint.
I asked myself this question, actually, just about six months ago.
I said, I would paint till I dropped dead.
And I was like, okay, dude, you really do need to paint.
See, you ask a question like that.
See, the 10 years is too long for me.
You're going to die in one year.
What the fuck are you doing, dude? And now that doesn't mean I get to excuse myself and go, okay, I'm not going to go do business, okay? I am in a particular position where I could do business or
not do business. And I think the gentleman was talking about surfing. He's in that position also.
He's in that position also.
So if I can find business to do that really turns me on,
that's the only business I'm going to do.
And that's what pisses me off so much about this Epstein shit, quite frankly.
It's like I cannot believe these people.
Like I have met some of these people.
I'm like, I'm not going to that guy's party, dude.
Like you could smell the guy's evilness a mile away.
So anyway, man, that's my deal.
What am I trying to do?
I stay connected to guys like you, learn stuff.
And if I can bring some value, I bring some value.
So Gary, I want to say it was actually this past Sunday when you gave the speech about what you would do.
It wasn't months ago.
Maybe you said it months ago, but it was this past Sunday that you did it.
And I have been coming to a lot of your son, the I am's and maybe for the last three months I hadn't came.
And then this past Sunday I came and it was really great.
Sunday I came and it was really great. And here's what I can tell you for me, like, here's what
And here's what I can tell you for me.
happens for me is like, whether, and I'm working on it, whether it's 12 hours or maybe it even goes
over to Monday, I'm just being real. Like I do something for someone, like maybe I could be at
the shopping center and I put someone's cart away, or maybe I'm not so hot headed. Maybe I compliment someone. Maybe I just
like even went through like a drive through at Starbucks and bought someone else a coffee.
Like it was just like the small things. And then of course the world comes back around Tuesday,
Wednesday. It made me feel though, man, when you do that. Oh, it made me feel great. It was just
a positive message. And so like, I think there are a lot of people don't know that you do them IMs on Sunday. And it's a really great message, no matter what religion or what like like who could knock doing good for other people like just just being a better you
and that's what I get out of it and I was really so when you said that about the painting thing
you actually that was actually this past Sunday you said it and it really stuck out to me when
you said that yeah yeah now if I know I have, right, then I keep doing this kind of stuff. And thank you for that, by the way. The reason you don't, I don't advertise that thing very much. I don't have any editors, anybody. I need to find an editor. So if anybody knows somebody that can do some cutting and splicing and advertising for me or not, you know, not advertise, but I'm not going to do all that stuff and the, and having a bunch of staff drives me crazy, but um, yeah, 10 30 AM. I just spend time. Um, look, look, this is what I think. Okay. I,
I believe that if you do anything for 8,760 hours, which is the number of hours in a year,
you will become great at it. You will become one of the greatest people in that field
ever and and i've just i've been experimenting with this using the two words i am really like
like i woke up one day and realized hey i'm a really good teacher this is something I can say without any shame or vanity. I have become a really good communicator teacher.
And it dawned on me, oh, my God, when I was 22 years old, I was driving down the road in my car going to work going, I am a good teacher.
I'm a warrior.
I'm a good communicator.
And I found myself 30 years later like, wow, all that came true.
All of that came true and all I'm doing on Sunday mornings is going through an experience right now
I'm trying to do something with these 8,000 hours and I'm just sharing what's happening with the audience in real time
And it's it's cool. It's been a really cool thing for me to do very exposing for me
But that's why I said earlier that I find that, you know, the more of this I do, the more I discover who I really am.
And I think that's the real challenge. The guy said, hey, how are you guys wired that way? You know, is there a time to put your thing down?
You know, put the sword down and just chill.
Like, there's so many things running Gary that aren't really in my control.
And to get control of who I am, we spend so much time learning our business, reading the manual of a car,
learning about blockchain, and how much time do we spend on the operating system that we're running
right now or that's running us. I would maintain the operating system of most human beings.
The human being is not running the operating system. The operating system is running the human.
running the operating system. The operating system is running the human. And I can almost
prove it 99% of the time is just sit down for 30 minutes and tell yourself not to think of anything.
Just chill. And you will, it's stunning how little control I have over, you know,
control I have over, you know, managing the flow of thoughts and images and what,
how do I create anything? I must imagine. And so if my imagination's being distorted by
interference, like that, that's to me, the great myth here is not about, oh, look at these two
guys, they did a bunch of shit. It's like, hey, how can you find your, that, that genius, you know, that fucking energy, that perfect.
And everyone's had it might be in falling in love or whatever, or jumping out of an airplane or,
but that one thing that you're like, fuck, I love doing that shit. And to me, I just,
when I get in that storm, I think of Jimmy Hendricks, dude. And I'm like that guy.
You know, he seemed to have lived just right there out on the edge.
And I would rather live that way and just with a beautiful guitar than the dull nothingness and not really controlling, you know, my imagination.
So. So why don't people live like that?
Because they seem to live quietly and they don't make the noise and they don't want to live on the edge.
So why, why don't they live like that?
Pretty lonely.
It's a pretty lonely place.
You know, I think society puts a lot of pressure on people to behave certain ways.
And we spend zero time, like not one human being on this panel has ever gone to school
and the course says, oh, we're going to study who you are.
You're going to get a notepad in front of you and you're going to write your name down.
I am Gary Cardone.
I am, what am I i i don't know dude
it's your job is to answer the question hey or who am i hey gary i guarantee you my brother and i if
we would have done this little this little test when we were four or five years old we would have
different answers and every year we would have had different answers. So we don't do any of that.
We read about a bunch of lies.
We study history, which is full of lies.
And all we have to do is look at our own operating system.
Really think about it like, wow, dude,
your computer is not operating correctly.
You would throw it out.
Well, who did the programming?
Because if you think about it, you go back to the college argument as far as, you know.
Yeah, but I don't care anymore.
I don't care who did the programming because I end up back in the past and the problem.
I just need to reprogram myself.
Not really reprogram.
I need to get rid of the bloat. And after all the
bloat's gone, I think I will discover, I have discovered more about myself, uh, through going
through this exercise really like, and becoming powerful through it. Um, that, that I just had
to get rid of a bunch of shit, man.
Okay, like what's the rocket goes into outer space?
And I'm going to be quiet.
I want to hear other people talk, but a rocket goes into outer space.
Okay, what's the first thing it does when it hits, you know, space?
It jettisons off everything it got that took it there.
Everything that got it there, it removed. It gets rid of.
It's a fucking get the fuck off of me.
You're too much friction.
That's what I'm talking.
That's what I think is the missing element.
People getting rid of the bloat in their operating system so they can discover, hey, what's your real code down there?
Because I think your code is different than my code.
And whatever your journey is, dude, it's going to make you fucking ultimately happy.
That's why I never criticize.
I try not to criticize anyone because I'm like, bro, they're on their own journey.
Like I look at my brother's life and I go, there's no way.
I would hate that life.
I don't hate him for loving his life, right?
It's like, dude, it's his deal.
But it's not my deal.
And it's cool. Hey, Gary.
But 15 years ago, I took a class in London with Dr. Robert Holden, and it was exactly what you're teaching about I am.
It's the power of I am waking up every morning and saying, I am successful.
I am a good father.
I am a good husband.
I am a good husband.
And when you tweeted that out, the space, when I first found it,
I was like, this is amazing.
This is exactly what I took a class on 15 years ago.
And the power of I am, saying I am every morning.
No, I'm sorry.
You should be saying I am not until I am.
Until you have done and you've created something,
this I am thing I love so much,
but you really are not until you have done something.
It's no good building these people or the population up
to believe there's something better than they are
when they've done nothing and they're not likely to do anything.
Gary and Grant, me and my husband, we've been following for a while now,
and they're just an incredible team, okay?
Gary, your art is incredible.
Grant, your business mind is incredible.
I am so interested in listening more about the way that you've homeschooled your children.
And you've taken them away from the mainstream way of being.
I want to achieve this with my family.
But it's so terrifying, which is where the majority of the population completely stagnate.
Because that fear overtakes pretty much everything and it stops us creating
and um so why why was i interrupted with my speech i'm i'm i'm sorry what why did you interrupt me
oh god i'm so sorry yeah i was trying to explain the power of i am and you interrupted me.
The power of I am has got no power. Oh, it doesn't have any power.
I apologize.
It does.
It has no power.
Okay, great.
It does.
Well, you just live your life
and I'll live my life
and I'm going to post my,
I'm going to say my opinion
to Gary and Grant
and the audience
and you can interrupt me
as much as you want.
That's fine. You just keep interrupting. Okay. I was trying to make a point and you interrupted me.
It was very rude. So you know what I am? I'm happy. I am powerful. I am excited. And I am love.
If we can't, you can interrupt me and enjoy your night.
If we can, let's move on from that.
But I will add something to it.
I don't know whose side I'm taking.
I can just tell you my experience.
Like, and it really works.
Like, I've been through a lot of stuff in my life.
I'm going to tell you, I was taught this.
And I would get up every morning. and I would look in the mirror and I would say, I am someone special.
When I went through hell and back, like had fortunes and lost it, found myself in a, in, in a, in a little room, you know, for a few years sitting there by myself or surrounded by people that I would have never
associated with in our IRL and literally getting out of there and like looking in the mirror and
just saying, I am someone special every morning. Like it works. So I don't know whose side i'm taking but like it does work it does work to
tell yourself every day that you are someone special you you can achieve and then to put it
to work now so i can do that in the mirror and it after so many days it makes you feel better um but honestly like putting the i am to work and putting that to work
i do have a slightly different approach i'm sorry work now for me putting it to work was actually
joining back and just listening to gary on sunday for like, and I'm not being like bullshitting you, bro.
Like I'm telling you the truth for all I know by Tuesday, I'm cussing you out.
You know what I mean?
But I'm just being honest with you for Sunday and it travels over to Monday and it's like,
okay, good.
Let me come back next Sunday and maybe it'll make it to Wednesday.
I don't know.
I'm human, but nothing is wrong with the message that's being said,
uh, with Gary's eye. And like, I'm really pushing it because it literally like, I can just interact
with people that know me, my family, anyone else, total stranger. And I'm a different person.
person you can you absolutely can you can i can i will i must it's the same message but it's spoken
in clearer more direct words for me and my family this has worked for a very long time and i love
gary's um sunday mornings i've joined in a couple of times but i do get very annoyed by this this can i the i am i am you are not
you're nothing until you've achieved that's not true because every human being is a god's child
and everybody is something whether they achieved crossing the street or accruing a private jet
we are all i am and we are all something because we are all made in God's
image. So I don't agree with that. And I'm very rarely outspoken. Just reverse it. Just ask
yourself. Just tell your son he's nothing. See if that gets him off. Very good. Good point.
Stacey, I want to give you a bit of perspective. And I was actually going to come in when Gary was finished and say,
I prefer listening to a guy who came from nothing or a guy who was up and
crashed and came back.
I would rather listen to that guy than a guy who was born, you know,
multi-generation, like the people Gary talked about earlier who are corrupt.
And I'll just tell you from my experience, Stacey, what turned my life around was,
and I've never spoken about this in spaces before,
what turned my life around was the point where I felt that I was a piece of shit,
that I had nothing.
I was lying face down in the gutter.
That was my starting point, figuring out, putting off all of the noise.
Gary talked about the rocket, cutting everything away.
And I realized that the reason that I was sitting face down in the gutter was I was
trying to live someone else's life.
I was trying to please my family.
I was trying to keep up with my friends.
I was trying to do this.
I was trying to do that.
When you're forced by life backed into a corner where there's no one left,
but I think that's a very important message that that man's delivering.
I commend you for it, Gary.
And I also commend you for your art.
I think your art's awesome, by the way.
I think you should keep doing it.
I enjoy looking at your art.
So that's my message.
The down and out guy.
Sometimes the gutter is a very good place to start building from
because you're on a solid foundation.
Well, and, you know, Gary always talks about Napoleon Hill.
And you can go back and read some Napoleon Hill.
Great, great to introduce into the I am because you'll see if if you don't if a man doesn't
start having some confidence and believe there's something then they're not going to be anything i
don't how gary how would you how remember when you were selling bananas gary remember that like
what the hell got you the courage to go from saying i'm done with this selling bananas for
my uncle to going uh into the oil business Like something must have got under you, right?
Yeah, dude, I knew it wasn't sustainable.
So the story for the audience, because that's a little bit of a weird story.
Most people do not know this story, Henry.
But when I was 20, 22, I think 23.
No, no, maybe I was 20.
Yeah, I was 20, 25 years old. I got fired from a job at
United Gas Pipeline. That was my first job. Two guys got caught up in an expense account problem,
and I was one of them. And I actually learned to do it from my boss. Anyway, so I was so ashamed
that I just could not confront the energy business because I felt like I'd done something really bad.
There's a little bit more to the story, but I'll leave that part out.
Anyway, I go to Houston, and my sister's husband works for a big banana company, Dole or one of those guys.
And he was doing a side deal with some Mexican producers cutting out Dole or one of those guys, and he was doing a side deal with some Mexican producers cutting out Dole.
I knew I shouldn't have done this shit, okay?
So I end up taking a job with him.
He opens up an LLC.
I start brokering bananas between Mexico and San Francisco.
I do this for six months.
Don't really like it, but I get a phone call one day,
and it's from San Francisco, and it goes like this.
Mr. Cardone?
I said, yeah, this is Gary.
This is Raffo Matadino, and we got the bananas,
and they're fucking leaking out of the back, you fucking asshole.
Anyway, I had to pay him to get rid of the bananas that melted down on me because the Mexicans didn't fucking cool the bananas down.
They gassed off.
And on that moment, after that phone call, I was like, bro, I got to eat my crow,
I got to eat my crow, you know, address the shame in the room and get back in the energy business.
And I literally had a job within two weeks.
So that's that story.
But you know what I learned?
I was like, dude, if I can sell something that has a shelf life.
you guys talk about you know trading um and i'm like if i could sell something that has the shelf
You guys talk about, you know, trading.
life of about 14 days i'm pretty sure i can sell natural gas crude oil should last forever
so that's that story i can't remember who l henry asked me that yeah the banana story
but see see that was a mistake i made but i got made, but I got out of the gutter very, very quickly.
By the way, I would never have ever made any money with that business because I knew it was unethical.
I've always been very, very sensitive to it.
Like I knew, hey, this is not right, dude.
My uncle, no, my brother-in-law works for Dole, and he's doing a workaround.
And it's like, wow, that is so uncool.
And I always thought that was uncool.
So that's my deal.
I hadn't thought of the bananas in a long time, though, dude.
Well, those are the greatest stories, like, you know, for me.
And I think for, because you're in easy space, man.
We don't like just the success.
We really like the dirt, right?
Like this.
That's what I was going to say, if your brother and you could, you know, about the boats and the freaking cars and the freaking, you know, the hard stuff, man.
That's this space, Gary.
I don't know if you hang with easy
much but these are the real blue collars these aren't the fucking phds you know that's on the
other side of the tracks you know most people that come here like there's a reason why even the the
people who are here with degrees like myself hang out here and not over there there's just a reason
like these are like my people.
Like, they're more likely. I don't think you'll ever know true value unless you've done blue collar or labor before. You can do everything else, but until you've actually done it,
you don't even have to do it. Just respect it. You'll never know what true value is in life.
I think it's a requirement. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, well, but those are the great stories,
man. Like, I don't know if these guys
know do you do you mind telling those stories because i think this this group will really like
the stories like the boats and dude i have thousands of stories so no i don't do i don't
mind i'm i'm an open please do please do because um this gentleman this gentleman i've just met him
over the last couple weeks and like he, he's talked about you, Gary.
And like, I admire you.
Like, I really do.
I'm okay with saying I'm a 50-year-old man.
I don't mind saying when someone is helping me be a better person.
And like, then I met this gentleman.
And like, he said, easy, I'm on a different account and everything.
And I know Gary very well. And he told me some of the stories, so please do.
Well, which one you want to hear, man? There's a million of them.
I want to know, what was your first job, Gary? When did you start working?
When did you start working?
That's a great question.
That's a great question.
My first job was, well, the first job was me and Grant selling lemonade.
You know, I actually believe that by the time you're eight years old, you know there's every kid, I don't know, I've never been every kid, but
I think by the time you're eight years old, you know, you had one experience of some special thing.
And one of the things I knew really, really early on is that I had a, and maybe it was because I
had the mirror of Grant, because we were really like, we've really propelled each other in many ways,
kind of bounced off of each other.
But I knew that I was charming.
I think that's probably the right word.
In that charming, I could manage people.
I'm five years old, man.
I'm literally sitting there, wow, people are easy to manage.
So whatever, I just have a theory that everybody by the time they're eight years old, they encounter one or two things.
They're like, hey, that's what – and then they stray off of it.
I just wanted to make that little footnote.
Were you a paper boy?
No, I wasn't.
First job was at a grocery store, if I'm correct.
And then I went to work for a country club being a waiter.
I really love that job.
When they made Caesar salads with raw eggs.
An electrician, I worked in an electric store,
hardware store,
market basket,
I had a blast
working at grocery stores
because I found
organizing the shelves
to be a fascinating experience.
I mean,
I'm like,
dude,
I am going to stack
these motherfuckers
like no one's ever done it.
What was your favorite thing
to organize?
What was your favorite thing to organize?
Just fucking do.
Give me the cereal and I want to fucking do something magic with it.
I mean, to me, I might as well have fun with it.
If I'm doing a job, I might as well go,
shit, let me kick this motherfucker in the ass, dude.
I mean, what's wrong with this shelving?
Everything.
I've always been very critical.
And I think being critical is cool if you are willing to take the action to change it without offending someone else.
Wherever your seed is planted, you will grow, right?
Gary, when you were building, when you were in that place in your life, did you have the work ethic of... What makes you think I'm still not building?
No, no, no.
I actually think I'm building today something like that.
Now I have a foundation I've never had before.
So I'm using the wrong term then.
So what I'm getting to is when you were at that situation in your life, did you show up five minutes early and stay five minutes late?
Like, did you give it?
Did you like I've heard it said before?
It's like you're making like I'm just assuming you're making whatever it was that per hour doing that job.
Did you work?
Because I think you did by you saying I didn't like the way the shelves were.
So I had
to fix it. Like, so basically whether you were being paid 10 bucks an hour, you were working
like you were worth a hundred bucks an hour and it paid off for you in life. It's, you know, I,
I will, I think you're in the right zone, but I will tell you that I have never, ever worked for
money in my entire life. I've done some things for money that I will share with you that are funny stories.
But I have never had any attention on money for some bizarre reason.
And I know that sounds bizarre, especially if you know my brother well.
But for me, if I show up to an environment and I'm being paid,
I need to do the best job I can.
I don't need to do the job that you think that you're paying me for.
I need to do the best job I can, man. I mean, what are you going to do?
Go into a gym, get paid to go into a gym to work out.
And then you what? Work out as light as you
possibly can? Isn't your job, you're getting paid to work out to like fucking max level?
I think, I think if I was buying that, that's what I would expect from the other person.
Now, maybe it's because I'm insecure or I'm competitive or maybe, hey, I actually just know it's the right thing, which is, you know, you go to work in somebody's fucking farm and you need to farm their yard farm.
And it's funner that way.
Now, I will say that I've had jobs like when I got out of college, I didn't know what I wanted to do.
I was told I was going to be a pharmaceutical salesman,
so I went and did all the whole thing.
Scored extremely high.
They were shocked.
They were like, wow, we've never had any pharmaceutical sales.
We've never had anyone.
I'll finish this.
I'm like, yeah, well, well i probably sold more taking more drugs than
than you your company's going to sell this year um i mean i've always had an affinity with with
that field chemistry or whatever i don't know why but anyway um i did the job for three days and and
i could i could not i could not imagine doing that for the rest of my life. My dad died when I was nine, and my brother died when I was 20.
And I think once you have an event like that in your life,
you realize that life is so out of your fucking control, it's ridiculous.
Like zero guarantees.
It's a crap shoot all the way down to the fucking, from beginning to end.
So I think that was a really cool awakening, uh, that I've always, I've never expected the
social security. Give me shit. I can't even believe you guys have these conversations.
My dad died when I was nine. No, there is zero guarantees on anything.
So I think that will end up being the thing that really, like,
that I think is the ingredient that may have propelled at least me,
and I suspect maybe Grant, is like, hey, shit, there's no guarantees here. I have to earn every day, every minute, or something bad is going to happen.
And when I was getting out of school, dude,
it was the biggest recession in history, 1981.
The largest boomer population of people leaving college ever peaked out.
And I got the hell out of Lake Charles, Louisiana,
and went and worked for a big corporation, got lucky, and ended up building a career there.
So I think I got fired from four jobs for, you know, fucking being a stupid idiot.
Hey, Gary, do you mind if I ask?
No, go ahead, man.
I'm really intrigued
What was your motivation
To start selling lemonade
Well doesn't everybody
Like lemonade
Only when life
Gives me lemons
Dude
If I make you lemonade
You will fucking love it
And you'll pay me
A hundred dollars for a glass.
You're so goddamn charming.
Gary, I have a question.
I was lucky enough you gave me your time to come on my podcast last year and you talked a little bit about when you worked in Britain.
And I'll preface this by saying I'm probably one of the most patriotic
immigrants you'll meet in the States.
I want to ask you your experience working overseas, working in Britain,
working in Europe, what is the difference between, like we mentioned
work ethic earlier, we mentioned what drives us.
What difference did you see between
doing your thing here and doing your thing in britain did like what did you notice as a
difference between the way people work between between europe and uh america yeah because you
you had a pretty good run when you were in oh no i did 14 years there man yeah i
spent a lot of time there so uh i mean i spent 10 years in london i don't think i came back but
six times in 10 years maybe 10 times um really really and you know when i went there there, this was in 92, I think, I begged for that job.
And I actually recognized just recently that every role I've ever had in my life, I've
never been interviewed for and I've never been selected for.
In fact, I don't think anybody's ever selected me for anything.
But I actually decided, hey, I'm going to work there.
Like, it's always been my decision, just like leaving the pharmaceutical company.
I remember the first energy company I worked for, I recognized that this is in Houston.
Oh, my God, I cannot work here forever these guys
actually just are so boring it's and there was this startup company called natural gas clearinghouse
i knew i had to work there okay i mean i i one i thought the name was awesome i was like this is a fucking cool name dude um but there was something about that
company and what it in the name the name told me exactly what it was going to do natural gas
clearinghouse and uh i ended up getting a job there and i would spend 17 years there and have
an absolute blast okay i mean grant i'll tell you stories of me and him talking for me in London,
and I was doing shit that is off the chain, dude. I mean, crazy, crazy deals that I'll go to my
grave with. They were so much fun. Now, what was the question? Oh, Europe. Oh, so, so look,
Now, what was the question?
Oh, Europe.
Oh, so, so look, the Europeans.
Wow.
What's the difference?
Dude, everything.
Regulations, freedom of mind, freedom of thought, creation.
Europeans have become, I have more European friends than I have American friends, by the
way.
Okay.
Robotized.
I mean, it's really really sad like i will not go back to london right now while things are exactly like they are grant knows how much i love
the uk um i think it's one of the most dangerous places on the planet right now. So they have no economy.
Dude, they're done, dude.
Ireland, all of Europe,
there's no way they recover from this.
It's not possible.
They have no energy.
They have no produce.
They have no product.
They have a shitty attitude,
and they have regulations up the ass,
and they have five women who weren't voted into office
running the whole continent.
So it's toast,
which is one of my biggest concerns
about my investment thesis on Bitcoin.
But that's a different story.
You know, there's not a company in Europe, Sam,
that would make the top, I think, 800 companies in the world. Not one.
of a pep talk to people.
I get down when I hear people
talking down the US.
I love being
in the United States, and I was
hoping you would say exactly what you said.
We've got a lot going
on here. We don't always recognize it.
We still have a lot of opportunity,
and we should feel
very fortunate for it.
Do you know Bram? I think Bram
lives in Holland.
Bram Cranston.
He's a good guy. Well, Holland just imposed a 36% cap gain on unrealized tax on unrealized gains.
Okay.
Passed today.
And he pinged out there, hey, I told him this a year and a half ago.
You got to get the fuck out of there, dude.
See, he most certainly, he would do so exceedingly well in America.
Right?
He would crush it, man.
That attitude still works in America.
Now, I'm not sure it's going to work in two years, but, and it's funner, guys.
I'm just saying it's funner.
For me, it's just been, hey, if I can't have an adventure, then I'm not doing it.
I really feel blessed that I've carried that through my life, that it had to be fun, and I had to feel like it.
And I've been immature.
I've left a lot of money on the table because I haven't done things that other people would do because they wanted to really hit every number.
And I was like, dude, I just want to have fun.
So I do not regret that at all.
We bore everybody to death? No, no. I think having fun is the key to life man that's that's
that was what i was talking about earlier on when i when it was that one big score but i did it
because i i just wanted to have fun fucking around for the rest of my life right like that's to me
what life's all about adventure the universe there's I never understood the word bored or boredom
because there's so much to explore
out in the fucking universe that I
wanted to be done and
set where
my target was and just
live fucking life till the day I
perish. So I can
concur with what you're saying. If you're not having fun,
leave some money on the table
so that you can start enjoying your life and have some fucking fun well now hey can i say also okay
that just for the audience life because i think i know what you're saying maybe i don't but if you
ask me hey how much fun and happiness have you had in your life if like like a lot of people go hey
you're really a happy guy i'm like oh really am i because i actually do not one i do not think the word happy should even be allowed to be used
it has zero definition whatsoever none henry's definition of happiness and mine are completely
different and we use this term all the time it's like what the does that mean anyway um
all the time. It's like, what the fuck does that mean? Anyway, where was I going with that? Oh,
I have been miserable many times on the journey. It is not always going to be fun, man.
I am not surfing every day. The waves aren't always good. There's sharks in the water.
You might get some flea bugs up your ass, you know.
