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🚨CRYPTO TALK RADIO: MARKETS GO RED ON TARIFF TALK.
Recorded: April 16, 2025 Duration: 2:50:12Space Recording
Short Summary
In a lively discussion on Crypto Talk Radio, participants explored the evolving trends in the crypto market, emphasizing the importance of innovation, strategic partnerships, and the potential for significant growth despite current challenges. The conversation also highlighted the role of DeFi in revolutionizing fundraising for businesses, showcasing the dynamic nature of the crypto landscape.
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Music Thank you. Music Thank you. Music Thank you. It can't be said I'm a mother bird It's ten o'clock before I say a word
Baby, I can never tell How do you sleep so well?
You keep telling me to live right
To go to bed before the daylight
But then you wake up for the sunrise
You know you don't gotta pretend
Baby, now and then
Don't you just wanna wake up dark as a lake, smelling like a bonfire lost in the haze.
If you're drunk, I'll ask me, I think it's great, but while in this world, I think I'll take my whiskey and leave.
I'm whiskey lead, my coffee black and my bed at three.
You're too sweet for me, you're too sweet for me.
I take my whiskey lead, my coffee
I ain't low, I ain't true, and the ground's where I go
I work late where I'm free from the song
And the job gets done, but you worry some
I know, but it won't still live forever, babe
You treat your mouth as if it's heaven's gate
The rest of you like you're the TSA
I wish I could go along, they don't get me wrong
You know you're bright as a morning, soft as a rain, pretty as a fire, sweet as a grape.
You can sit in a barrel.
Maybe I'll wait until that day.
I'd rather take my whiskey and you.
My coffee's black and I made it free
You're too sweet for me
You're too sweet for me
I take my whiskey
All right, good morning.
It's crypto fucking radio.
You're too sweet for me
That's right, crypto fucking radio
That's right crypto talk radio I
Like this song I really do I had to switch it up because I'm playing hip-hop hip-hop hip-hop
I like all type of music man, I'm into every fucking type of music.
I feel like I've been playing hip-hop and there's more tariffs that come out.
So I'm like, yo, let me switch this up.
Let the boy switch it up.
Let the boy switch it up.
Oh, no.
I was looking at the timeline today i was like yo why is everybody fucking
panicking man again have we not learned our lessons i'm not saying me hey listen if this
doesn't apply to you then let it roll off but like i'm looking at the timeline like we need to
and this is a this will be a short monologue, and then we'll get right to it, but we need these tariffs.
I'm actually more disappointed in, you know, crypto and the markets will come back 100%.
I believe that, okay?
100%, I believe in that.
Whether it's tomorrow, whether it's next week.
Listen, we've seen
as soon as the Trump
administration lifts
a tariff
or says that they're lifting
a tariff or not charging somebody
something, the markets
explode.
So when the deal is struck, the markets
will recover. Now,
to root for China,
here's my biggest problem.
I understand,
I really
do understand there are people
that might be hurting because of this.
401ks might be down.
I understand all that.
It is temporary.
It is just temporary.
This is something that must be done in order to restructure the trade market,
which benefits the United States of America.
But to side with China, which does not care about human rights, a communist fucking country, is wild.
Americans siding with fucking China.
I never thought I would see this in my life.
If you hate America so badly,
if you hate Trump,
and you don't even know why you hate Trump. You know, actually,
the only reason you hate Trump
is because you watch mainstream media and 90% of it is pushed out to have you hate this man.
So if you hate him and you hate America, leave your passports and go to China.
Why don't you move to China and see how much access you'll have in terms of freedom of speech to go ahead and pop off the
way you pop off online that'll disappear quickly and you'll appreciate the United States of America
a little bit more just a little bit more
this is wild I've never seen so much hate I've never seen so much hate. I've never seen so much hate for one man.
With all the presidents that at least I've gotten to witness,
who have done nothing.
Bill Clinton, nothing.
Bill Clinton did absolutely dick.
Okay?
He put us in this fucking situation.
Learn history, you'll see clinton put us in this fucking situation we didn't need to be here where china is taking 300 to 400 billion dollars per
year and putting that straight into their military to advance their military to become the number one superpower
who do you want fucking running this world
China who doesn't
give a fuck about human rights
weird you know
like but I get it a lot of people
aren't into geopolitics a lot of people
aren't even into politics a lot
of people don't know jack shit
and that's why motherfuckers are sitting here
and they're just crypto only and they're like
holy fuck my wallet's down
fuck trump it's
wild
it's wild business man
wild
even my
dogs agree
even my dogs agree
okay Even my dogs agree.
Man, anyway.
Hold on.
I gotta calm them down.
God damn it, man. Thank you. man i had to chase them this is crazy anyway that's all i have to say let's bring up some people yo listen if you're gonna come up
here with some fucking crazy bullshit, I'm throwing
your ass off, okay?
See, Andrew was in the
trenches last night. He was looking for plays.
Apparently, he found
the play. Andrew, you found
the skin?
I thought I...
Yo, it was funny. I was talking about Fortnite
and you motherfuckers didn't know what Fortnite was
and then all of a sudden you pop off of the skin from Fortnite.
Let's see who this is.
Good morning, Crypto Talk Radio. What's going on?
Okay.
Is my shit working, man? Because it says that I'm getting errors to try to put people up
Let's try this again Bro, you're gonna have to restart your app in order to get up on here. So you requesting doesn't really mean anything your app is broken Good morning, good morning, good morning, Andrew, Trench Warrior.
What's going on?
Yo, what's good, papa?
What's good?
You just woke up or like you're still up since God knows when?
Yeah, dude, I'm not even gonna lie.
I slept like an hour.
Fucking dude, the market had to turn around and kind of fuck with the trenches a little bit.
Fuck with the plays.
But, you know.
Yes, it wasn't too bad.
You know, it wasn't too bad.
But you saw that skin prompt, right?
I thought that was pretty dope.
I don't know why.
I like coins like that.
Those are pretty dope.
Hold on.
How do you do this skin prompt, though?
I think, Let me see.
I think I have the prompt.
Here, I'll send it to you.
I have it underneath the post of the one I made.
You just have to fill in those things.
I swear, I love this AI stuff.
This AI stuff is so sick, man.
It's going to make people so lazy, man.
People are going to be ordering with ordering with well they can't already
order with ai people gonna be mad lazy bro it's it's wild uh i seen your shit though i seen like
i was passing through the timeline last night i seen your uh shit your fucking your rear skin
and shit i was laughing i was like oh this motherfucker's on something. Yo, doesn't it come out so clean, too, bro?
Bro, ChatGPT is, I don't know, it's fine, bro.
I like ChatGPT a lot.
I got the plus.
Yo, you literally made the haters go crazy yesterday with that shit.
Motherfucker's still that.
Like, oh, yo, he really got his skin like no um i was looking
at that shit i was like yeah that shit look real real man um but i don't know man i just
i was looking at the timeline today man and i was just like man people are really
people really get affected like this man and look i get, I get it. It's money and people need money, but like if you're so desperate and like, this is real talk, this is real talk. And I'm not,
I'm not trying to belittle anybody. I really am not. Maybe it comes off that way, but that's
because it's blunt talk. It's got, this is what New Yorkers sound like, man. I can't, you know,
I can't apologize. This is what New Yorkers sound like. Unfortunately, if you are desperate for money, it means that you're over leveraged and you're here full time and that shouldn't be the case. You should have a job. I'm being dead serious. You should have a job.
Being dead serious.
Like you should have a job.
Like,
why are you here?
Like,
I would even say these in,
I would say the same shit in the green market.
Why do you have,
why don't you have a job?
You can't make this full time.
You just can't.
If you don't have the money,
if you haven't scaled out money,
you know,
I can tell you right now,
I can feel it in my nutsack that people
were up they didn't pull out and then their fucking wallets obviously the fucking their
unrealized gains went down they never never realized them and now they're like oh trump
oh no no oh you blame yourself for ones you know i i let me tell
you something in life i don't blame anybody if i get fucked i blame myself for getting fucked
you know like if things happen i don't i don't blame people for him i put myself in that fucking
position nobody else man i'm a big boy i put on my big boy pants man i blame
myself and i think i don't think people do that like in nowadays like people just oh i lost it's
his fault no it's your fault it is absolutely 100 your fault. Take some accountability.
You're a greedy fucker.
That's what happened.
You know why you're fucking down in crypto?
Because you're a greedy fucker.
That's what you need to.
You need to look into the mirror and say, I'm a greedy fucker.
Okay.
That's why I'm down. When I had the money, when I had like 200K that I've never made in my entire life,
I didn't take out because I was
waiting for that I was pushing the limits I wasn't reading the markets I wasn't listening I wasn't
going into rooms where they were breaking shit down I I didn't give a fuck I was risking it all
now I fuck with people that put 100% on the line to go to multi multi millions but if you've never
made two hundred thousand dollars in your life you better run with that shit you better scale
out at least 50 gram how about just scaling out 50 grand so you can survive and pay the bills
keep the rest and see what the fuck happens. Why wouldn't you do that?
Just so you can stay alive. It, you know, and that, that is that, that's the, that's the big
problem. That's the big problem. I, I, again, I'm gonna say to you right now, I, I always say this, like, I can never blame somebody for whatever position I'm in.
I can't even blame God.
I never, you know, and by the way, the only time anybody thinks about God in here is when they're in trouble.
Oh, God, please, God, please help me.
me like y'all don't ever praise god when you're doing well i get it some people don't believe in
Like, y'all don't ever praise God when you're doing well.
god in this room and that's fine like that's that's your business but like the only time
i ever hear god's name brought up is when you sons of bitches are in trouble oh my god god
please i swear to god one last time let the pump. I swear I will give away to charity.
I will be a better person.
Like, yeah, that don't work, bro.
That's like when you pray to God that your team wins.
Like you're Hanak and you're the Dallas Cowboys, right?
And you're playing some inferior team and they're winning.
And Hanak is on his knees praying to god god please let dak fucking throw a touchdown or do something god please i'll do anything
god ain't rooting for a team you act like god's at the game he's watching it he's like okay let
me let america's team win.
I'm just saying this shit is wild.
By the way, yesterday on the breakdown, I started to break down the list that I'm going to put together.
Okay.
Had some DMs.
Had some DMs.
People were like, whoa.
Why this?
Or, oh, I fuck with this.
I said I would name the 10 that I...
There's going to be like 50 or 60,
but I already put out 10 out there.
Personally, it's my multimillion dollar portfolio.
Like, you know, y'all motherfuckers do not need to participate.
It's just me wanting to prove that,
hey, I can take this amount of money,
put it in, watch it go.
So I'll break down some of that put it in watch it go so um
I'll break down some of that later on today in this show, but good morning. Hanak what's going on?
I got correspondence. I got andrews a correspondent in the trenches. We got hanak
Correspondent in the fucking meme economy. What what is happening right now?
You know, it's a great day to have a great day. I hope you're well, David.
You sound very chipper and happy today, beating up the good people who ruined their lives. You
know, I got to say, man, the state of the meme economy is interesting to watch. It's a schizophrenic
bunch of people who one moment are euphoric and the next moment are walking in depression,
One moment are euphoric and the next moment are walking in depression, going to sleep in anxiety.
We're going to go to the gym to work out the tension.
It's funny to watch on the timeline.
And we'll see what happens, man.
You know, we'll see what happens.
I see that also.
You know, we were, and this is what I hate too, but when the markets were going green again a few days ago,
fucking everybody's like, oh, we're so back. We're back. The island party's back.
Yo, and as soon as it goes red, as soon as it goes red, oh, fuck Trump.
Oh, fuck, man. This is some bullshit. Da, da, da, da, da da da da da da see you in 2028 like yo
i can't even take motherfuckers seriously on here i really can't take anybody seriously
i know who the serious motherfuckers are look andrew goes into the trenches you know how i feel
about the trenches but at the end of the day at least he's working at least he's sitting on there
on his live stream
with his ugly ass fucking
PFP and he's fucking working
okay
I can respect that
he ain't bitching, he ain't crying, he ain't asking
for a handout, he's just watching
hey okay this
donkey shit, this donkey
with a dick in his ass oh this shit is fire
let me let me go into this this is fire here
yo i was actually working out and i went into your stream i was listening i was dying laughing bro
yo this shit look good right now but but we watching for a cook i ain't i'm not calling
yo andrew was like i don't call mad
place i'm not calling ticker a thousand tickers every day i did the most i did was 20 and then he
dumped it down to 15. he said and most of my ended up on coinbase that's fine we don't get this
yeah i was listening i couldn't i wasn't i couldn't type because I was like working out
but I was like, yo, I was laughing.
That impression is snow on point, bro.
It's so good.
He said it.
He just literally went word for word.
Yeah, I listen, man.
I listen, man. I tell you guys, man.
I go into rooms and I just listen
because I think it's healthy for you
to listen to everything that's happening within our ecosystem yeah you you really hurt yourself if you
just stay in an in an echo chamber and just listen to the same people just talk shop all day long
go around you listen you know there's not a lot of crypto rooms anyway right even if the room says
crypto they're not talking about crypto so it's like yo
you have you have like a selection of seven to nine rooms you can go into listen see what's
popping off okay cool write it down all right let me look into this i not it doesn't fit me i peace
but you know what hanak said you know you motherfuckers you. Yo, y'all need meds. One moment you're happy as fuck.
Next moment you're fucking, you're starring in one of these antidepressant commercials, man.
It's wild.
Yo, I swear to God, you know what?
Yo, pharmaceutical companies should be looking into crypto and blasting fucking commercials here
have you put your entire net worth in crypto we got we got some medicine for you
in the bear bro let's come up with like a crypto pharmaceutical like a crypto branded
antidepressant that's a great idea in the bear bear? Yeah, I agree with you.
I think, honestly, a lot of people suffer with low T.
I really do believe that.
100%.
No, no, I'm not even being sarcastic or no dry humor.
I really believe there's a lot of dudes here that suffer with low T.
They don't even know it, right?
Because they don't eat steak.
They don't eat nothing.
They eat fucking, I don't know what the fuck they eat. Okay. They're probably eating cheese doodles on the fucking,
on the couch. Low-team motherfuckers, bro. Like, holy fuck. Act like you've been here.
And you know what pisses me off? The motherfuckers that been here through at least one cycle,
y'all been through this. What are are you how are you acting shocked though let me step back
a little bit yes now we have institutions and now we have trump's tariffs in play no doubt about that
it's a little bit different but we we know what the end we know what the ending to this is.
We will recover.
Look, Trump, I'm going to keep saying this.
The midterm elections in 2026 are very vital for the Republican Party to go ahead and capture.
Very, very, very vital.
Very.
So he's not going to keep this going he's not going to
keep this going and lose the house and the senate trust trust this man well you know what's
interesting david you you looked at all of us and said you know back in like february we'll see you
guys in june you know we'll see the movement in june if you guys would just leave twitter like literally leave the app go to sleep go to work
hit the gym enjoy your family come back like literally you miss absolutely nothing you'll
come back and the market's moving up all of this is literally just noise at the end of the day
we're in the top from 70 mil i'm sorry 70k bitcoin to 90k Bitcoin and until we break below 70 and hold down there or until we break above 90 and hold
Everything else is simply noise until June
That's what I said. I really just I appreciate that
I just say you call that months ago, bro
and one last thing if you're finding yourself like being tossed by the emotions and the timeline, you don't feel like you have stable footing underneath you, let that be a warning sign that you don't understand what's going on and you don't bruise and your thigh is throbbing for the next hour that lets you know
you need to do something there's a pain point right here and you got to take action to rectify
the pain your anxiety is an indicator that you don't know what you're doing and it's very
important that you take action to rectify that because if you find yourself not knowing what to
do when the bags are down you are literally living under crypto cancer when your bags are up not knowing what to do and you're gonna miss the
euphoric moment that we have the last couple months of this cycle and you will
never see those bags or that chart again for another four to five years so
please take the time to actually understand macro understand fundamentals
get around some TA people, stay in these spaces and
take notes because the more you know, the more stable footing you'll have underneath you. Nobody
up here is omniscient. Nobody understands everything perfectly, but we have relative
stability. We're able to sleep at night and not make poor decisions because we kind of have a
clue of where this market is headed based on actual facts, data, and indicators.
And it's critical for you to remain at peace and to make cogent decisions
on the basis of having stability underneath you rooted in actual knowledge and information.
you know hanak is that guy when you draft that you know that cat out of college you're like you
scout him and you're like oh shit that's a five tool player and then like you draft him
and then he plays amazing one game and then the next game he like shits the bed
and it's like fuck what the fuck man like
what why can't he play good every game like why can't he play good every single fucking game
w take hanak is here bro w take with a fucking cape hanak is here let's fucking go um by the
way you know what makes me bullish you know somebody who
believes that they're winning will not talk china continues to come out every single day
and they keep talking like if you and i know you guys don't understand this i really don't believe
you understand this but when somebody comes out every single day and starts talking about they're not
moving they've been around for 5 000 years they're just not yo i don't give a fuck what will will die
on this hill they're hurting they are hurting you don't hear the u.s coming out and saying like
we'll die on this hill the u.s is staying quiet hey hey china the only thing they're saying is hey china um you know
our phones are open you can come sit at the table and negotiate that that's really it that's the
only response that you're getting from the u.s government and the trump administration so y'all
can keep on coming out there and what they're doing you know what what we're also seeing at the same time is we are
seeing who our real allies are right so everybody i mean this is repetitive but everybody's put a
tariff on the united states of america america has finally upped its tariffs to make it a you know
you know make it a level playing field for everybody you know try you know i think america
deserves to go ahead and make revenue.
And everybody's so fucking upset. But we see who our allies are.
Because there are a lot of people that are actually negotiating with a communist country.
A country that does not care about its own people.
No human rights.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
So are we.
What do you mean?
We don't care about our own people
no we're negotiating with that same country no no but no no no no you have you have literally
our allies people in nato that are going around they're like fuck america right and you're right
okay okay it's like they're not they're willing to negotiate
free trade with china they're not willing to negotiate free trade with america how wild is
that that is crazy for all the money that we spend the 80 to 90 percent bill that we pay for
all this shit the foreign aid as soon as we want to go ahead and export our products to their country
and import it there, oh, no, no, no.
We can't have Chevys.
We can't have Chevys in our country, okay?
We're going to give you these Beamers and Mercedes,
and we're going to give you all these German cars, but we can't.
No, no, no, no, no.
We are not taking any of your American products now
I'm sure everybody in this room is like man. I'll drive a Beamer over a fucking American car
No, I got you. I feel where you're coming from
But hell no, you're not driving driving Tesla look at a flat listen
I'm talking listen. I got I got a Tesla too, man I got made fun of for having a Tesla
American made baby. Let's go. I'm proud of that, bro
Listen, there was a point where like Sakasa I see him in the room the motherfucker was like this and Tesla bros like yelled it
No infrastructure no nothing and I'm like yo, you know chill
I'm like yo, I'm
You talking about Tesla man. That's a an American brand bro
Sexy right that's an American that's gonna be an american icon bro in 100 years they're gonna talk about tesla the way we used to
talk about ford i can't believe i had to convince people into like getting teslas they should make
tesla a hybrid they should make it a hybrid bro nah what that defeats the whole situation
defeats the whole situation.
Why don't we conform
ourselves to Ford?
I need to put some gas in that shit.
I don't want to be sitting at no truck
for 30 minutes.
You're a crypto trader,
dog. You'll be sitting there just trading
or on Twitter or something.
You know what's funny with people's reactions to Tesla?
They're like, oh, the range.
Right? Oh, the range.
Motherfucker, you...
It ain't bad. No, but the motherfuckers get sports
cars that get 215 miles to the gallon and they're talking about the range right right
so it's like i started laughing it's like yo bro what are you talking about like like if you get
like all right if you get like the fucking model model s you get like 363 if you don't get the
plaid right like you get 363 on that bitch
You'll have enough or you get for no actually good. I think you get 400 miles
Yeah, you're fine, bro
Like I did a trip from Dallas to Houston in my in my model s plaid all the way down
It was perfectly fine. Yeah, I have to stop two times, you know to pick up some like yeah
So what bro? I'm in crypto. I'm Like, it ain't even that big of a deal.
And the technology in three to five years, they're going to have it where I'm in and
out in five minutes.
It'll be out faster than you're in there with your gas.
So I'm supporting my American-made car, bro.
I'm very proud of that.
I think we need to stand behind Elon.
And, bro, it's a great car.
It's like one of the safest cars in the planet.
It's incredible.
That thing is fast.
Zero to 60 and 1.9, 1020 horsepower.
Can't nobody touch you on these streets.
Like, bro, get yourself a Tesla, man.
That's great.
Yeah.
I think the Tezzy is a, is a, is a great car.
I really do.
Like I drive it and I'm just like, I'm comfortable.
I swear to God, I feel like I'm just,
especially with FSD,
man,
I just like,
you fucking turn it on,
go ahead and drive me.
I mean,
it's at times where you just like,
you know,
like you just want to lay back
and allow the car to go ahead and do it.
Hey,
I'm telling you,
level four charging is coming.
That shit will downgrade.
That shit will definitely bring down you know the
charging times and then what and then what it doesn't matter man i support you know what now
more so than ever now i support more american brands that's it you know i am supporting i have
actually two american cars i support i support it man i support america man you ain't pulling
no baddies with a tesla though like you know what i'm saying what do you mean i'll roll up
i'll take it i will take your girl bro what the you talking about i would know i will pull up in
my tesla hell what do you mean see you don't even know what a plaid is don't need the rari
plat is don't need the rari bro the adels the plat the plat pull up pull up in a murdered out
plat 21 inch arachnid wheels red calipers bro pull up in that and that back freaking mobile
dog and come talk to me yo hanak pulls up he put in the sound effect so that shit sounds like a b10 fucking ferrari and shit bro like like yeah uh welcome to crypto talk radio
it's nice though like to come into let's say this space and there are people just like okay look i'm
good with everything that's happening in the markets uh you know for me i i have a little
bit more money you know money that i have on the sidelines left to go ahead and throw into the market, which I will.
What I mean by that is I have money, but there's a specific amount that I push the side for dips.
Not me.
I'm out.
I got no...
See, these people out here be lying.
I got nothing left.
I deployed everything and DCca back in january
or february i've been uh dc-ing that dip with no bread ever since how about this if i go in today
which you know i i don't go in with a dollar if i go in today then i'm done today that that's the
because i'm not pulling out any more money i'm not pulling i'm not doing that because that just
it's crazy to do that so i have a little money left because i've been buying the dip i have a
little money left and um i'll just pick a pick up a few things have you bought a house yet or
have you bought a house yet no i i live in the why would you buy a house i live in a house
What a house yet?
No, I live in the...
Why would you buy a house?
I live in a house coin.
I live under the bridge.
Oh, my God.
Here we go.
The fucking chilling.
The fucking chilling.
I like that right there.
House coin.
I like that.
Buy a house.
Oh, my God.
Fucking Andrew.
All right, listen.
Breaking down yesterday and what I said yesterday, this is not...
This doesn't go in any specific order, but I'm just,
obviously some of you guys are too lazy to tune into the breakdown,
but shout out to those who do tune in.
But I said yesterday and I broke it down.
So like, if you want to watch the show,
I actually broke these things down and why I gave you the,
why I'm not going to give you the why today,
unless the conversation goes there.
But some of the things on the list that I'm going to put on I don't I won't own them maybe I will maybe in the future I will but currently I don't own one or two and that to me is fine like I I
think the list I think you should make a list and this is what i kept on thinking about when i wanted to come out with a list is you have to put on things that you don't own and people be like why wouldn't
you own it if you're putting on a list well maybe i'm just not i'm maybe i'm waiting for
an entry point that'll make me feel comfortable going into it maybe i should buy it i don't know
i can go back and forth with it but i should put it out
there because it does have a good community it does have good content there's a meaning behind
there's a meaning behind these memes and let me just put it on the list so here here's a go here's
the 10 so far uh they're not ranked it's just like me just talking about 10 so obviously pepe man i went with pepe first i own it
and i i i put it on that list i mean that's it's it's a no-brainer man watch the show i broke it
down i really broke it down and how it started meme the meme economy 2.0 for me in my eyes how
it re you know it did it did re-energize the meme economy it really did so pepe is that is that
og bro like there's nothing that nobody can say i know andrew's a little bit pissed off right now
but there's nothing that andrew can go ahead and say right now about pepe that's it done okay um
obviously i put bobo up there and i i gave a whole fucking 10 minute spiel on why bobo is here okay why bobo
is here i i'm telling you i the amount of times that i wanted to sell bobo like i i can't even
count it on one hand because i'm looking at this shit and this shit is fucking dead dead and then
when motherfuckers talk about insider plays like what the fuck are you talking about this shit and this shit is fucking dead dead and then when motherfuckers talk about
insider plays like what the fuck are you talking about this shit was dead you could have brought
up like fucking i guess like 216 of the supply nobody was looking at bobo not a single person
like look that's what i'm saying is like it makes me laugh when like people say oh yeah i was like
shut the fuck up uh aggie i said aggie because to me i like the narrative i just like that
matt fury it was inspired by aggie to make pepe that's it and and if you look into the history
of it there's nothing that I'm saying that's
bullshit. Go look at the
fucking articles. If you need the articles, I
will be more than happy to pin them up
so you can go ahead and take a
read on them. And that's Augie on ETH.
All these things right now that I'm naming on
ETH, I will have Solana plays
as well, but
Augie on ETH,
you know, like, Vitalik is the second largest holder of not that he bought
it but he did you know vitalik always sells everything like he gets a meme he sells the
entire he full clips it completely with aggie he didn't he like fucking sold a little bit
and that's it like Like he left it.
Which was like, I don't know, man.
I don't know what the fuck that means, but
what it means to me is like, it's the first
time that I've seen him not sell
the entire thing and send it to charity.
I definitely
look, I definitely put a
mog in here because
you know, from one, what, 175
million? Yesterday, it was at 175 million.
I don't know what it's at today. I haven't even
looked at the charts.
I think obviously
it'll come back.
Can you make some money on it? Absolutely.
This is a game about making money.
Hoppy,
I'm still a fan of Hoppy.
I know motherfuckers
will probably,
some will think otherwise.
But I went into it at $150,000.
And that shit went to $136 million.
So I don't give a fuck.
I think it got more life in it.
And it'll bounce.
And Dogecoin, obviously.
I'm not leaving Dogecoin out.
And I don't know why more people don't talk about Dogecoin.
It's going to do numbers. it is still the king of memes like nothing knocks it off until you go ahead and flip it so currently speaking doge is still the king of memes until stated
otherwise seriously uh i did say brett because bre, to me, obviously, Bass.
I think Bass, Brett.
And then there's also, I said MF-er, but I didn't put it on the list yet.
It'll probably, today, as I go on to the show, I will go ahead and probably mention MF-er.
Again, this is not ranked.
It's just, you know, those two particular things on Bass are the only things that i kind of look at and i
know people are going to mention you know somebody's going to tell me about drb and
shit like that again this is not a shot at anybody it's just like i'm coming up with a list
maybe at the end maybe at the end you know out of the 50 60 things that i'll be either i own or i don't maybe maybe i'll wind up there but that's that's
really it far coin i don't own it i don't own far coin but i can appreciate i can appreciate
what it's doing okay and i mentioned that yesterday here's far coin here's where the
ogs went wrong here's where the ogs went wrong and i don't
give a fuck if you want to admit it or not but you see something like far coin you're like this is
bullshit we have to adapt we have to like we we don't have to go away from we don't have to go away from the way we buy shit up here and how we get into like
the real memes, but like we can sometimes adjust and say, okay, Farcoin is so stupid
that everybody's going to go into this bitch.
Like, like, like sometimes we just have to go ahead and look at something like this and
say, yo, there's going to be a ton of people that go in.
Why am I going to miss out on this far coin yesterday when i was talking about it was at 847 million dollars i don't know where it stands today but you know one thing and let me
let me just finish up uh i said giga chat on eth the reason why first of all you guys the reason why and this is not me uh putting down the giga
chat on soul i hope they do well i'm an ethereum guy and there's nothing wrong with that like some
of you guys are solana guys i'm an ethereum guy it's all good we're friends right i just want to
see i think gig on eth would be really cool and this is their opportunity i don't know who the
fuck's running the show i'm holding i don't know who's fucking running the show but you know what
guys like i told you yesterday you gotta you have a chance to step up because get gone soul went down
that shit was like at 140 or some shit yesterday or 120 something like that you have a chance to
take over if you really want to you own all all these fucking domain names that they don't own.
You have patents that have been given to you for GigaChat.
I don't know what you motherfuckers are doing, honestly.
I swear to God, I have no idea.
If anybody else had this in their fucking hands, they'd fucking,
this should be at fucking 600 million.
I don't know, I'm just putting it out there.
And obviously stonks and I've round tripped this motherfucker twice.
I have not taken out of stonks.
I round tripped this motherfucker.
I went in super early stonks, like literally two times in the millions round trip this
motherfucker.
But I think stonks can pull a SPX. That's what I really believe. I believe stonks can pull a spx that's what i really believe i
believe stonks can pull an spx and i'm betting on that and if it happens it happens if it doesn't it
doesn't but there's more to come those are just 10. you know obviously i i have more on my plate
that i'll put on here from the solana side, from the East side, from base,
even Tron, even Tron. Maybe one or two things from Tron I might go ahead and put up here.
But yeah, that's where I stand with that list so far, so far. I know Andrew's like, yes,
he put on fart coin. Yo, I was going to say that's a valid list why don't you set a fart coin the whole list was like valid but like what you were saying that people are gonna jump into that stupid shit like another thing i like about that i feel like the
foundation is like more organic because like these a lot of these like vcs are not gonna buy something
like that you know what i mean so i think like and it's not even on it like any tier one exchanges
either which is pretty sick so i don't know it's that's it's a real interesting one i feel like
that might be the leader of the fucking meme coin cycle and the biggest you know what the thing i
was watching yesterday if you guys watch my live as i'm breaking all this down every chart that I put up yesterday, it literally,
they all look the same.
They all had the fucking 90% retracement on their fucking,
if you pull up everything that I talked about,
they all pulled back the same way.
So like,
you know what makes me laugh when people say,
look at,
and I'm going to use Bobo because like,
you know,
Bobo is consistently the talk of the town.
If you look at Bobo, like, and then you look at another chart, they all look the same.
Like, they literally all look the same.
95% of them look the same in terms of the chart.
So, like, what are we talking about?
Everything pulled back.
Everything pulled back. Everything pulled back.
Now, I think I said this yesterday.
I think a lot of things just bottomed out.
And at this point, could I make a million, multi-million, multi-millions from going into the things that I just named?
from going into the things that i just named i think absolutely i can and i want to prove a
I think absolutely I can.
point that like with this list and it's not financial advice but if i go in okay i can i
can make money i can definitely make multi-million not just a million but multi-million dollars
some people if they were to go into go into, man, they'd definitely 10x their money.
I believe that.
That's how confident I am in the memes.
So, yeah, I'll have more today.
I'll have more today.
But, you know, there'll be Solana plays.
Like I said, there'll be Solana plays. Like I said, there'll be Solana plays. There'll be, you know, there'll definitely be Ethereum plays because I feel like a lot of money is on Ethereum right now.
And, you know, people are fading Ethereum.
But I've seen this through two cycles where people faded Ethereum and they look like complete assholes when the shit pops off.
So I hope you
don't fade ethereum that's all i gotta tell the crowd i hope you really don't fade ethereum
uh yesterday though i shit i didn't even have this show yesterday i had i had some shit to do but
uh that cz fucking justin sun talk was wild man when i seen that report again i don't know if
it's true.
It's hearsay. It's definitely, what was it, the New York Times or the Wall Street Journal? You
can't even fucking trust them, but they put out that fucking CZ ratted on fucking Justin Sun and
shit. I don't know, man. Justin Sun, though, came out with a tweet saying, like, you know,
that's my best friend. That's my mentor and shit like that cz i think cz wrote something like he he never fucking said any of that shit so you can't believe
this fucking press man this press is crazy but yeah far coin man that's one that i look at and
i'm like man that was an easy one i look at far coin i'm like man that was easy easy one. I look at Farcoin, and I'm like, man, that was easy.
I can't believe I'm agreeing with fucking... I can't believe I'm agreeing with fucking Andrew.
This is fucking wild.
But I did look at it.
Another one, I'm not even going to cap.
It's looking good, in my opinion.
I'm not financial advice to anybody, but...
Housecoin, you know what I'm saying?
Because you don't got a mortgage on Housecoin.
Why am I going to buy a house?
Why can't I just buy a housecoin?
You know what I'm saying?
Why pump the boomers bags like bro like this is the first time like fucking zoomers can actually get in early on the housing economy you know what i'm saying like
i'm leaving i'm leaving i'm fucking leaving you but this is the thesis This is the thesis. This is the thesis. Why have a mortgage?
You can just buy a house.
Yeah, I can't.
I can't.
I can't.
Listen, I said one thing already, man.
This is wild, man.
Andrew's like, yeah, listen, let me get my shills in, man.
Don't sell shill up here, Andrew.
Nah, but you know what?
I be doing.
Just because you got a purple badge.
Just because you got a purple badge. Just because you got a purple badge.
Okay?
Let me just say what's up to life and glory.
What's up?
Curly never talks.
I don't know.
I just bring him up here.
Curly never fucking talks.
Curly.
What's good, David?
How are you doing this morning?
Holy shit!
This fucking account is real!
Curly talks? Curly talks Holy shit
I thought you were just a fucking bot
Like I thought you were like fucking
Shirley
I'm just a unicorn doing his unicorn thing
In the background
Much respect
By the way I got attacked by
Speaking of unicorns I got attacked by a poo and
the unicorn community they were like yo you didn't put me on yo i said this is going to be five six
days relax relax relax i appreciate your community i said i'm the one thing that i definitely am
looking for is a cult-ish community because if if you have a cult-ish community, you win.
You win.
Listen, what do you think?
Bitcoin got here because it was cult-like.
The only reason Bitcoin's here is because as much as I hate the Bitcoin maxis,
they stood on business.
They protected that motherfucker.
They would not allow anybody to talk shit about it.
Those are the good old days, man.
I got to tell you, those were the good old days.
Bitcoin was the first meme coin, David.
What I mean by that is what you just said.
That community, right?
Like those people behind it that were all about it,
delusional as fuck, but hey, look at what it did.
You know, I think Bitcoiners take offense to that.
And I'm like, bro, like I'm a Bitcoiner.
And yeah, it was a meme from the standpoint of people joked about it.
Like, what the fuck are you doing?
You're putting money into this shit.
Like people turned it into a meme until it wasn't a meme, right?
Now you have nation states buying it up.
So it's no longer a meme.
It's gotten out, you know know obviously it's gotten out of that
bubble but it did start off as you know you know to some people it wasn't a joke obviously but it
did to the general public you're like bitcoin schmidt coin like what the are you talking about
to everyone outside of bitcoin it was y'all were being treated. And this is the reason why I decided to change my whole brand
and go 99% in memes.
It's not just the financial reasons,
but I watched you guys and the way you were treated
and the way that everyone looked down upon you
while you were making crazy gains
and you saw something that nobody else on the planet saw
years in advance.
So then I look at the meme economy.
I'm like, wait a second.
They're looking down on us.
We got hundreds of billions of dollars in volume every year.
They don't, nobody sees this, not even the freaking Bitcoiners.
Everyone's looking down at this.
And yet we're over here cooking.
And I'm like, oh my God, it's happening again.
It's the same like effects.
I'm not saying this is Bitcoin. That's not what I'm saying. I'm talking about the way that human beings are reacting to this emerging industry is the same patterns that I saw human beings reacting to the fax machine and to the internet and to the telephone and the telegraph. Anytime there's ever an innovation to an existing paradigm, people are allergic and you're either
right or you're wrong.
And if you're wrong, then you're wrong about your thesis around said technological development.
But if I'm right about this, the orders of magnitude around the returns about me being
right.
This is why I tell people meme coins today are what bitcoin was in 2012 not in the fundamentals
and the merit of the technology but i'm talking about the adoption and the zeros that are connected
on the other side and this has informed me studying bitcoin with you and landing all that
is what led me to go oh my god i have found you know the next big monster thing emerging inside
of our space.
Meme coins are not going away.
So, yeah, bro, I think what you're talking about is very critical.
I would never demean or disrespect the Bitcoin community because I do believe that, you know,
I'm a low-key Bitcoin max jack for real.
Y'all have me, like, I'm studying this thing every day.
Last night, looking into Bitbonds, like, I love Bitcoin.
But I'm seeing the way people are treating memes.
I'm like, oh my god, y'all are missing it. This is next.
Well,
that's from an
outside perspective because
they secretly
they
holler at people that are into memes
and they're like, yo, how do I get in?
How do I use Uniswap?
Yo, I swear to god,
I swear to you.
They're in memes.
You just won't know it.
They will...
These Bitcoiners,
they're not the same as the old school
Bitcoiner.
These are like the new...
These are the graduates of 2021
that were screaming on a fucking couch
at a Bitcoin conference that we need toxicity
yeah you know and we need is bitcoin bitcoin only meanwhile they got a wallet full of yeah
ethereum nfts like trust me like they're about that life no you're right they're in my dmc i
got a couple in my dms i'm like oh you guys are public facing like in mario nafal's you know
space is like bitcoin but you're you know you're running coins by me, which I love.
I love that as the meme coin podcast host guy.
Like, I'm with it.
Like, you know, one day you'll come out of the closet.
But, yeah, bro.
No, I mean, at the end of the day, like, my thesis stands.
And I know everybody hates me saying it, but I'm going to keep saying it.
Like, I'm not buying Bitcoin.
For what?
A 3X from here?
Why?
I can catch a 3X in Andrew's live stream in 13 hours, my guy.
What's up, Landy?
I want to hear from you.
You know, I was working out.
What's up, Landy?
You ain't got no memes over there.
You ain't got no Bitcoin over there, Landy.
Hold on.
Let me go to life and glory before we go to fucking Landy, okay?
Landy was talking shit about me.
Yeah, he's protecting you
you got lucky hold me back david hold me back i'm gonna hold you back right now crypto talk radio
thank you very much for tuning in 9 30 a.m eastern standard time and we running until 12
we talk about we don't try to keep an echo chamber here everybody and we we don't we all don't agree
here and that's the i like that i like that we't agree, but we do it civilly, okay?
Like adults.
So I appreciate that.
I got to tune into Andrew's show because I'm trying to get, I don't know.
Maybe I want a Ferrari, okay?
Maybe I want to get a Ferrari.
Yeah, I just have to shut my mouth.
But maybe I want to go ahead and get a nice sports car.
Maybe I tune into Andrew's show, bro. Yeah, I just have to shut my mouth. But maybe I want to go ahead and get a nice sports card.
Maybe I tune into Andrew's show, bro.
Maybe Andrew shows me the trick of the trades and fucking maybe I go into some token that goes fucking 100,000 X or some shit.
I don't know.
I'll try this out.
You know what, Andrew?
I will come on as a guest on your show. Look, I'm inviting myself.
And I will play with only five soul.
All right?
I'm not doing more than five soul.
I'll play with five soul.
Let's see what the fuck happens, okay?
Let me see if I can cook with you.
Let me go to Life and Glory because he's in his fucking jacuzzi.
He's not drowning because he's wearing floaties that is uh that somebody gave him but life and
glory good morning to you what's going on brother good morning good morning everyone hey i um
told you he's in the jacuzzi yeah yeah that's my
i will i will maybe i'll even join you on that if it's if we're not up too late although i'm
three hours behind so i'm you know i go to bed at 10. but i wanted to come in and say but when you guys were talking about tesla i went on
a little three-day strike mission following some south swell into the south of mexico
and i come home and what does my wife tell me she wants to get rid of her audi and get a tesla
i almost had a let's go it was our first argument It was our first argument
It was our first argument and I don't know how long
But it looks like we're gonna have a Tesla
So I just wanted to throw that in there and I don't know what the fuck
Yeah, yeah, hold on
Hold on life, let me tell you let me let me tell you something before you finish
I also had the same
I also had the same Type, okay, okay so casa and me were going back and
forth i was calling tesla shit okay i literally like i was like yeah that's the infrastructure
i'm like fucking i'm not waiting 20 okay i got myself a tesla and i'm telling you man
i don't give a fuck what anybody says says this is just it is just a really
good ride man you are just wherever you're going man it's just it's a pleasure to ride in it man
it's a perfect car guys i'm sorry just test driving it's so good i just wouldn't rely solely
on that i got her a car you know last year just for fun for both of us.
But if you're going to rely solely on electric, you better have a gas car just in case.
In California, they fucking turn the power off when it goes to a fucking 100 degrees.
I don't know, bro. I've had mine for over a year. It's been fun.
Yeah, I just don't. You know, I'm a little freak show. I'm going to put it in.
I'm going to put the charger in a Faraday bag in case they try to emps and you know she needs a car and we got an electric car
and you got a bunker too right you got a bunker in an ak-47 and some drones yo
close close but no guitar but no ak but something else yeah i had i had family tell me yo don't get
the test in the car you the tesla's gonna stole out on the highway. I'm like, all right, hold on hold on now
We're going too far, man. Now we're going too far
You know this shit English stole out anywhere man. Well now I'm gonna have one so I'll report back with
My feelings on it. You'll love it. Yo, and especially
That model s bro get that plaid my god she's
getting some red dot i don't know i think of a red dot it's getting some red thing i don't know
what the fuck it is oh man i'm dying laughing yo welcome to crypto talk radio aka uh tesla talk
i guess i don't know uh markets go red on tariff talk you know trump's out here is like I don't know markets go red on tariff talk, you know, Trump's out here is like I don't give a fuck
By the way, they're making fun of Trump because of his physical his physical came back
Stating that he's six foot two 244 pounds or something like that. I believe
Hold on hold on hold on but like here's my thing when the Democrats and liberals are making fun of him, right, you could be that size, right?
And there are, you know, athletes that are that size and weight, and they're obviously, you know, cut up and built.
He can be exactly those stats, but, like, obviously, he's 79 years old.
He's not cut.
He's not buff.
I mean, like, but he can weigh, I mean, he's 79 years old. He's not cut. He's not buff. I mean like but he can weigh
I mean, he's just call what it is. Yes. No, no, no, I know he's skinnier than he was his first term
If you look at his first term and you look at him now, he's definitely
Greatly fat to like pretty fat. No, you still fat. Nah
Okay, listen, is he overweight? Yeah yeah like by you know 100 but i like people
people like oh i don't believe that he's six foot three and like look he's six foot three
could he have shrunk an inch yeah when you grow when you get older you shrink like you like it's
just proven like it's science you shrink as you you get older. So I don't know why.
So like everybody's so fascinated by that.
Nobody's talking about the medical report because they're absolutely
fucking mad that,
you know,
it came back as him being healthy.
This is,
it's so fascinating.
This is American citizens that are like rooting against the country and him.
It's just weird.
But speaking of rooting against this country, let's talk to Landy.
Landy, what's going on?
Good morning to you.
Wow.
Holy shit, David.
Wow, the slander.
That's crazy.
That was rough, dude.
That was rough.
I had to get you back.
I had to get you back.
I don't even know for what. I said a lot of shit to you over the past few days in chats.
So that was pretty funny.
Uh, watching you, uh, stare down, stare down me, uh, calling out your, your wallets and
social security number in chat yesterday.
Yeah.
My, my bad.
Who asked me, somebody asked me, somebody asked me about that shit on live, right?
Somebody in the chat said something about, like, show me something.
And I think I saw you say something about Social Security and shit.
I don't know.
I was, like, so focused that I missed that comment.
But go ahead, Landry.
My bad.
Good morning to you, man.
Good morning.
Look, we were expecting to pull back some markets.
Like the rally up in traditional markets, hit resistance,
actually hit the breakdown point.
It's going to reverse.
It's got to find its footing.
The tariff talks, look, I was just explaining this the other day.
I don't bring this up very often because it turns into a protracted argument. But go back to last year, May of 2024, and look at markets and how they reacted to Biden's tariffs.
didn't hear about that? Of course you didn't, because it wasn't making the news. He didn't
make a big deal about it. But you can go look at specifically what he was tariffing out of China
and what that was going to entail. It's in the archives, so you can go to archive.whitehouse.org
and you can go take a look. But look at what happened in markets. Markets were uncertain what was going to happen.
And what did we see?
Traditional markets, crypto markets, everything took a slide down.
But they recovered.
It was a pretty sharp slide down.
But they recovered.
Things went sideways and eventually back up.
So, you know, just got to get through this quarter and see how things go.
Next month is going to be really, really interesting.
I agree.
Quick question, though.
You're making a comparison between this administration's tariffs versus last administration's tariff.
Just for the record, were Biden's tariffs a 245% tariff?
No, they were 25% baseline to 50%. And it was different for different industries. There was 100% tariffs on some things, specifically EVs. And that actually scaled. Also, implementation was staged differently.
protracted argument about this, if you'd like, you know, because I'm actually very educated on
this subject, as you'll find out and already know. But this stuff, really what we saw in markets
were a reaction because there was uncertainty in the supply chain. You also have to remember,
there was other factors going on. There was a full-blown war going on in the Middle East. We still had Russia, Ukraine that was still going
on. Now, these things haven't stopped, right? But then there was the whole Taiwan thing.
You might remember all of that. The CHIPS Act into the Taiwan stuff, and the tariffs were basically
to get the money that would be invested and allocated through the CHIPS
Act back into the United States by a tariff. So essentially spending our money to then tax us on
the way back in. So there was a lot of different things that people were talking about that no one
heard about because there was a lot of economic stuff going on. We're also running into all-time
highs for the crypto space. So I guarantee nearly no one in this space actually paid attention to that stuff.
And then there was the whole implementation because there was uncertainty around implementation.
There's also fundamental reasons for the Fed.
We are experiencing that same kind of transitionary period right now that is due to narrative, the Fed, and the global economic
outlook and the leverage in markets. So things going back down, not a big surprise.
Landy, and thanks for bringing me up, David, but I just wanted to ask, would you agree that,
and I do agree that tariffs are not new, but would you agree that this is almost like tariff theater because of the way that this is being implemented?
On both sides, yes. It's not just the Trump administration that is playing theater. It is the Chinese that are playing theater as well.
And I felt and I've maintained this that after seeing kind of how they ratcheted things up in the strategy behind tariffing all countries like blanket tariffs, blanket reciprocal.
everybody to the table after he got all these countries calling, then cut the tariffs down
to baseline, focus on China. China ratchets up. He ratchets up. What happens to corporate bond
markets and treasury markets all around the world? Everybody runs to cash, right?
But the main reason that this is gaining so many headlines is the theatrics that are taking place and how the tariff numbers are being delivered.
Sure, yeah.
I don't disagree, but I think that there's a distinct goal if you look at the American and Chinese goals.
Not that there's not – I said this to Hino not too long ago.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
And this seems like – I think there's going to be a deal done.
I don't know how soon, but I think that there's going to be a deal done between the countries and things will get back to normal in that regard.
And this is a lot of noise.
But in reality, what happened in the meantime, We saw a huge leverage washout in markets.
So, you know, I think that this was the goal of both of them, by the way.
World markets saw, I think, the biggest washout of leverage.
How do you know that this was a leverage washout?
Because you can look at the way that corporate bonds and treasuries got sold
off to cash. You think that that was all voluntary? No, that's not my personal thesis. No, but I
haven't been able to find any great data that would point towards this being only a leverage washout.
Well, I mean, if you're trading traditional markets pretty regularly, you can recognize
when there's forced selling versus unforced selling.
And when, you know, let's, let's try to like narrow down maybe one specific instance because
because there has been a lot of volatility the last couple weeks.
there has been a lot of volatility the last couple of weeks.
So Apple, for example, basically erased its entire deficit
when the tariffs were brought down to below that $125 mark.
Do you believe that's also a leverage washout,
or is that uncertainty in the market and people repositioning?
Well, it's a combination.
It's never a straight cut like that. But if you look
around global markets around the world, you can go asset by asset and you can say, OK,
who's really going to come out of high yield and investment grade bonds unless they're forced to?
Because you have a bunch of rehypopulated money in the system that is now sidelined.
It's money changing hands.
You can go stock by stock, and are you going to get a mix?
Of course you're going to get a mix.
You had people who were hedging at the highs already, like myself and others,
who are either professionals, either armchair,
but the pros at prop shops were likely hedging.
But most of the money at a lot of these places is rehypothecated money.
It's all loaned money anyway.
So when they have to get rid of corporate bonds and treasuries, they're getting rid of assets versus the other side of their balance sheet.
You have to de-risk.
You think that people are selling 10-year and 30-year U.S. bonds because they're being leveraged?
Of course, margin called.
You had margin calls everywhere.
If you don't think that there was, then I don't know what to tell you.
I mean, it's a combination, but you have a lot of forced selling,
whether that is margin calls, whether that is risk off.
When you get a cash dash like this, it's not like –
I'm not saying that, oh, my god, it was all just leverage.
I'm saying that it was one of the larger leverage washout.
Well, you said that we had a great leverage washout in the market.
Yes, globally.
It's not all just leverage.
came out from corporate bonds and treasuries and how world markets readjusted to the downside.
It's not you when you have leverage come out one side, it spins everything down, just like in
in in corporate and not the in the crypto world with open interest.
You get a leverage washout.
You get a cascade.
And when you get bigger players that are even hedged they might not be
hedged enough to cover so they have to let go to cover i mean that's in in what is not a new
practical no it's not in in this case but but in what practical scenario would somebody be
selling 30 year and 10 year treasuries to cover their leverage position?
Are you talking from individual, corporate, hedge fund?
You're introducing a very, very large – when I'm saying it, I'm speaking generally for a reason.
Because we can go up our own asses for hours about the different scenarios in which you would have to...
You had said that you understood the market very well.
I do.
I'm not trying to put you on the spot.
I'm just genuinely asking if there's a scenario where somebody would be selling 10-year and 30-year treasuries to cover their leverage position.
In what scenario do you want?
Just give me one. If you get a margin call, you're position. And what scenario do you want? Just give me one.
If you get a margin call,
you're forced...
On what?
On your positions that you have open.
Which position?
Doesn't matter.
So you don't have one?
You're gonna...
Look, I understand what you're doing,
and you want to bait, but... I'm not trying to bait, I'm just saying like when somebody says a stance like that, it's good to have something to back it up.
You can back it up by just looking at the market and the market movement.
So, I mean, tell me how you wouldn't have to if you're a prop that's over leveraged on borrowed money.
I wasn't the one that stated it.
I know you're challenging it from the other side of the position.
So if you're a prop that's over leveraged and you, do you
think that you wouldn't have to sell underlying to cover?
Over leveraged on what? Like say an equity?
Debt.
And you need to.
If you're not, no, no, no. If you're over leveraged on equity, no. If you're over leveraged
on debt, we have rehypothecated debt everywhere.
I mean, look at private equity.
I'm still not seeing why somebody would be...
I mean, they're over leveraged on debt, so they constantly have to keep churning and burning.
Okay.
I mean, we can agree to disagree that this was a leverage washout. Okay. I mean, we can agree to disagree that this was a leverage washout.
Okay. So you just think that it was purely to CYA risk off all around the world?
I think markets in general like consistency. And the tariff theatrics has scared a lot of people.
And I'm sure that a lot of people in the market were over leverage,
but I don't know if we can just say that this was a leverage washout.
I think that it was a dynamic repricing washout.
And one of the largest that we've seen in a while,
I didn't say this was,
I said this was a large levered washout, and it was a larger one.
And we have to wait for
numbers to come in to see.
We have to look at the actual. That's why
I said May is going to be very important
to take a look at. And here's
the thing. I get that you
want to have an opposite position
or you don't agree, but
you essentially said the same
thing that I just said.
I think he's describing a pause market.
No, he's not.
Here's what's funny.
Do you believe that anyone was surprised by the tariffs?
I mean, I think the price action in the market would say, of course, a lot of people were
surprised. I was surprised even personally.
How so? You didn't know they were coming?
So if you look at the price action in the day, which was called American Liberation Day,
in the market, initially when the market thought that there was only going to be 10% tariffs,
the market spiked, which would indicate that there was optimism that the tariffs were going to be as low as 10%.
And then when they came in at as high as 125%, the market plummeted, which would indicate that that was a larger tariff amount than what the market was expecting.
Interesting, because was the market an uptrend or downtrend?
On what time period?
On like the daily, the weekly.
I mean, the market has been an uptrend for years.
It was a downtrend in the recent history.
downtrend on in the recent history. You're actually pretty incorrect. Like NASDAQ,
You're actually pretty incorrect.
for instance, was used as an example, put in its highs February 25th and went into a daily
downtrend from there and actually broke its range all the way back in February.
So on what day was that? So I said that the market has been in a long yearly uptrend.
And you just cited something a few months ago.
Well, it was Q1.
You think that you're not prepping Q1 to Q2 for tariffs?
And you're going to tell me that we were in an uptrend
when we actually broke structure on a weekly and daily timeframe
in Q1 coming into Q2?
So here's the thing.
If you think that the market wasn't prepared for this,
then you're crazy.
And if you think like you had short positions,
you had hedges unwind at support well before this
and ride things down to the next level,
we broke down, obviously, and we were getting a nice little
bounce up coming into the end of March. But we had, for instance, we came down. We were on the
bottom side of support. We had already lost support on NASDAQ, and we're trying to regain
it coming into Liberation Day. Everyone knew tariffs were coming.
Everyone knows Trump is a volatile personality.
There's not one person that was in markets going,
gee, I don't think things are going to be volatile.
Like that's insane.
We were literally in a downtrend on the daily.
I think you'd be hard pressed to poll everyone in this spaces right now and not get anybody to say that they've been surprised by the reaction of tariffs.
Cool. We had already sold off 13% coming into March, into the end of March in NASDAQ.
You can go down and you can look at SPX.
You can look at your favorite stocks.
I don't understand what you're talking about here.
We're already down 10% coming in to any of these talks.
We were at a support.
We were at one support after breaking down from the highs.
Anyone who wasn't looking at markets going, hey, this is getting ready for either another
downturn, anybody that was hanging on this news, anybody in markets who wasn't hedged already was crazy.
So when you see a larger drop like that, you're going to tell me, oh, you know, it's because people are pulling out to cash because of the news.
No, I'm sorry.
That's just not how things work.
And I don't even know who's talking by the way I'm just arguing with listeners
hey Landy
I have a question for you
is Landy mad?
no I'm not mad
I like these debates
they're heated man
they should be like that
let's speak like this No, I like these. I like these debates. They're heated, man. This should be like that, bro. Like, I don't.
Let's speak like this.
No, I like I like when people go back and forth, man.
People are stating their fucking personal opinions because that's what it is.
And I enjoy them.
And we should like what do I say every single fucking show, man?
I don't want no fucking echo chamber here, man.
Like, I want to hear both sides, man. It's a fucking pleasure to have that done. But let's. echo chamber here, man. I want to hear both sides, man.
It's a fucking pleasure to have that done.
But let's... Hey, listen, man.
Warren Buffett, man, he took fucking everything out of the fucking markets.
I don't know.
He smelled something, man.
I fuck a worm.
I fuck a worm, man.
He smelled Trump.
Follow the money, man.
Hey, Landy, what about...
I read something about China's M2 surging like 1.73% in the last month or something for liquidity coming back in and that history shows that we follow.
Is that something that you're reading is false or is that something that sounds like?
I would be careful with M2 because you don't know where it's going.
it's going. That's like everybody's looking at M2 for the Fed. You can go to Fred and you can look
That's like everybody's looking at M2 for the Fed.
at the uptick in M2, and then you have to go back and you have to realize what was going on
when it took the turn. That was the bank term funding program, which officially ended last
year, but didn't officially end. They're still doing it. Real realistically, it's less about M2 growth, less about global
liquidity growth and more about policy right now. Because what I will agree with is when there's
uncertainty, you're going to get moves like this and in a very large way. And I do agree that this is a lot of theater. And I do actually disagree that it was just getting out risk.
I do believe, and we will find out when numbers come in, how much leverage really came out of this market.
Because the market's up its own ass with leverage, just like crypto.
And there's many different mechanisms for leverage and the leverage plays in traditional markets.
And there's a lot more ways to cover your ass.
You can only cover your ass so much, especially when you already had a 10% move.
Maybe there was some people who were surprised by the level at which these tariffs came out.
We saw all the little hang-wringing about how the calculations were done.
Oh, they were done based on the trade deficit, not the actual tariffs. It's not truly reciprocal. They should be lowered. We're scared
now. Anyone who didn't think that that was going to happen, I don't know. I've got some beachfront
property in Montana to sell you. But I would be, I would say this life, What I'm watching is what comes in May
Because we already know what the Fed has laid out
The Fed has laid out that they
Have projected cuts for the end of the quarter
Right
Are they going to be forced to move on that
Everybody's been speculating about
Well Trump is trying to force rates down
So that they can refinance,
but then the rates backfired and they went up because of all the selling, because we had a
cash dash. And now they went over top on the long end of Fed funds rate, the 10 years rip in,
what's going to, you know, now I can't do anything. Now everybody's screwed. And it's like, well,
realistically, the Fed is in a bind. And
I want to see how they're going to react to numbers that come in next month. We have some
numbers coming at the end of this month on the 30th. We got some more coming in next month,
mid month. Now, what exactly does that mean for the Fed? I would say if we're way up over our skis above the Fed funds rate,
they have to act. Maybe they stop QT altogether and keep whatever's remaining on their balance
sheet. Maybe they reverse course and start pushing rates down with balance sheet expansion and not
going, not saying the word QE, which by the way is just
balance sheet expansion by a policy. And then that's where we can start to entertain
what might come towards the end of the year. But we don't know yet. What is the impact of some of
these tariffs going into effect? We're going to see some of that come out in May, but we probably
won't know the full extent until the end of the quarter anyway. And that runs right into
when they want to do their first cuts. You can look at China as a leading indicator,
but I don't really know how much of an effect that's going to have as it stands right now.
to have as it stands right now.
I think that we are subject to kind of what the Fed wants to do with rates.
I agree with that, Landy.
I also think that today's talk from the Fed is probably not going to be perceived as very
bullish.
But before I drop, I just wanted to thank you for the back and forth and appreciate the
conversation.
I appreciate you as well.
It was a good conversation, by the way.
I wasn't mad for those of you
who ever had asked that.
You guys are both great. Buzz, always great to see you, brother.
I'm going to tell you right now, man.
It never has to be
a bad conversation.
By the way, I was doing push-ups.
David, why do you... I didn't realize it was Buzz, but I knew it sounded familiar
Yeah, no David ain't doing no push-ups. Hey listen, I did some technical
analyses this morning and my charts are telling me we're going up bro, like
380k Bitcoin by this time tomorrow. That's what I saw on my technical analyses.
Oh my god.
Listen, if we all just... You know, this all could have been avoided if we just listened to Warren Buffett.
Listen to me.
Yeah, if you listen to Warren Buffett, you took profits and fucking 2024 when he was selling If you if you listen if you listen to me, you'd be selling your body on the corner eating ramen
Everybody's like why is he I remember the conversation about
Hold on. I'll pause. I'll pause my push-ups, but
Yeah, I'm thinking like at this point I'm really thinking if I should implement the pause market pause market pause market yeah yeah i'm thinking like at this point i'm really
thinking if i should implement the pause market right now but you know when boron buffett
and i despite him not liking bitcoin which is who gives a fuck but when this man is pulling out
money when he's selling off his stocks at point, we all have to sit back and go, okay, this man's been out here for 60 years and shit.
Why is he pulling out money?
What does he know that we don't know?
There had to be something that we know because we miss we all missed on that i don't
ask i really do believe that you know what david i didn't ask the question in my head i just
followed what he did and took some off the table i'm not gonna lie to you bro that's good i remember
in q4 seeing that and i thought to myself huh this dude probably knows something i don't know
i'm holding i don't even care i remember saying that to myself, huh, this dude probably knows something I don't know. I'm holding. I don't even care.
I remember saying that to myself.
Yeah, I did the opposite.
And now you're
applying for
a position at Chick-fil-A.
Now my net worth is basically
what David's net worth is, unfortunately.
I think he rotated the fork one.
that at House.
Who's had the same house for 50 years.
Can you stop sending me Farcoin as the new Bitcoin?
That is killing me.
Yo, that shit is funny.
No, it's not the new Bitcoin.
It's a hedge against Bitcoin.
I do love the thesis.
I do love his thesis.
It's even worse, Landy.
It's even worse.
The thesis of why I own a mortgage when you can own the house coin, to me,
has fucking made me spit up my fucking coffee.
I think that shit's got some legs after that one.
Trust me.
Where is it at right now?
I don't even know where it is.
I have no idea.
See, this is the problem with Andrew.
Who the fuck wants to trench with him? i have no idea see see yeah this is what this is the problem with andrew that like you know like
who the fuck wants to trench with him he's like he made millions of dollars when all of y'all lost
money what is there to talk about uh welcome to crypto talk radio obviously we you know it's funny
i said like this is not an echo chamber i said i say it all the time, but I really did say it specifically today.
And here we go.
We had buzz come up here and it's a one-on-one battle with Landy.
I enjoyed it.
I honestly,
I enjoyed it.
I thought it was healthy.
I could tell that,
you know,
like people say Landy was mad.
Like I debate too. It's not being mad. It's just like
You know that that's good. That's that no that's competitive like that's something competitive
That's come that's that's that shit like you you grew up in sports, man. I am going to win this conversation
I'm gonna lay it out. I'm gonna lay out why I'm right
lay it out i'm gonna lay out why i'm right that's some big bridge so like
when i heard somebody say like like yo why are you getting mad like that's not mad that's passion
y'all gotta separate passion from being angry i know you a lot of you motherfuckers now you know
a lot of you wake up in the morning you're angry as hell then you goon off thinking that's gonna
help and it doesn't it gets even more angry okay
gotta respect motherfuckers that'll stand on business man landy's been out listen i'm sure
buzz uh i i haven't heard buzz speak but i'm sure i don't know you guys probably know him maybe he
drops he knows his shit i know i know i know i know i know both knows his shit no no no okay
so hey listen now now you have two people that know their stuff going at it and talking about I know both of y'all. Buzz knows his shit. No, no, no. Buzz knows his shit. For real.
Hey, listen.
Now you have two people that know their stuff going at it and talking about markets.
You're never going to... Nobody's ever...
Everybody's going to see things from a different perspective.
That is it.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And there are multiple DCs at play at any given time in any given sector of the market.
And both actually can be winners
I I can only like I guess from this standpoint say
When I said that dogecoin was a entry
Uh to bitcoin nobody understood it
And I got massive pushback for that
Give me an analogy. I can't believe you're sitting here
celebrating what you said 12 years ago.
Are y'all watching this right now?
Yeah, but you know what?
12 years ago.
But hold on, hold on.
That wasn't the popular opinion,
and everybody came out with their data,
but hold on, hold on.
Everybody came out with their data,
and everybody hit me with their fucking numbers and why it's not and why it won't be and why this that and the third
guess what happened wall street bets popped off and guess where all those motherfuckers went
so what i'm saying is like you know like people have a thesis on how the market will pan out
will it will it pan out the way that people think it will?
Who knows?
But I'm just saying people have some sort of thesis.
Landy sits here fucking looking at, I don't know, he's reading every fucking article.
He's reading all these fucking numbers, man.
And then he's putting, crunching all this shit together and putting out his own thesis on the shit.
That's all.
Could be right, but could be wrong.
Who gives a fuck yeah this is true man
there's a few different ways that things could theoretically happen that that when we see
something like this my theory and and i stick to it is that we saw a very that this was a very
large leveraged washout um now could that in in that is not the entire basis of the theory though. And that's
what I wanted to make clear. And I'm glad that he brought up the points that he did because
there was a lot of people that were hedging. It is a risk off environment in that regard.
And, but there's a lot of players out of position and they've been out of position for the past four years since COVID.
We have so much money that is being rehypothecated, whether you're looking at like your family, if you go to a family office or most props, most hedges and most big funds
and asset under managers are not going to be out of position. That's one of the reasons why
you look at your 401k or you look at your money markets and all this, they rebounded just fine. You're
not getting regular people in there selling. You see this as an opportunity to get in and buy,
even if it's going to go down further. But when you're looking at the bigger investment
corporations and bigger investment deals and all of the up its own ass kind of rehypothecation that
has been occurring for, I could call it even six years at this point.
It's going on like six years because it started really in 2019 in through 2020, which was
a massive downtick.
What did we see?
We saw the same thing.
We saw a massive move down that many say was unexpected, even calling it a black swan,
right?
When in reality, if you're looking at traditional markets, you might be able to make the argument
that yes, it was a black swan, but we had been talking about the potential for this
virus, the whispers of it, even in circles, in investment circles and
on Wall Street and in Chicago, we're talking about how this could potentially be a problem
coming up in the next quarter. They were talking about it all Q4, right? And it's like last year,
Q3 to Q4, I maintained that we were going to be in for some big issues coming up Q1 to Q2 in the
transition. How did I know? Am I some genius? No, I'm just looking at where we are in the market,
where we are in terms of what the moves are being made from the Fed, looking at the data that's
coming in, looking at how the different indices and assets
are moving, and everything was pointing to a warning. You also have a presidential transition,
no matter who was going to be in office, it was going to be a transition in terms of policy. And
it takes a little bit of time to implement that, whether it was going to be Kamala or it was going to be Trump. I still maintain that either
way, we would have seen a sharp move down. Now it's about how do things recover? Where do we go
from here? Is it going to be a full-blown bared? Are we going to go into a recession? What happens
with the Fed? How are they going to react? And that's all things that we can only gauge
as that data comes in. And the markets can tell us and give us
our edge on some of those lower term timeframes, like the weeklies is what I like for that.
But even down to the dailies, if we're slamming through weekly levels like we just did coming
into the end of Q1, it looked as though things were not going to end well for those that were bullish for new highs anytime soon.
We'll see. Right. I don't know. Nobody knows.
And I think it was a very good conversation.
I enjoy being challenged on my views and I welcome it.
I welcome it.
And no, I want to reiterate, not mad at all.
And no, I want to reiterate, not mad at all.
I actually respect that because you have to get your views out there,
especially if you disagree, and make people defend their position.
Do they really believe what they believe,
or are they just saying it because they can say it?
Yeah, you're right. I'm always right.
Yeah, you're right.
I'm always right.
You're right, bro.
Wait, what?
Wait, what?
Listen.
Listen.
Listen.
I don't really...
I said June.
That's it. I'm waiting for June
to see what happens.
I'm waiting for Biden
in 2028. That's what I'm waiting for.
No, but like, yo,
I mean, this is like...
This is an opportunity if you do have do have money this is an opportunity i'm not just talking about crypto i'm talking about like the entire market
it's an opportunity to go ahead and get in and you know get that not i won't even say generational wealth get that life-changing money i really do look at it
as that okay they pulled out this one pulled out they sour something okay the institutions like
okay like we've said this before the 0.05 they're the ones who control over 80 percent
of the fucking markets.
They know what the fuck is happening. They pull out, man.
You have an opportunity now. And you know what?
Fuck these tariffs, bro.
That is just an excuse, man. To me, personally, that shit is all in a fucking excuse, man. You can call me a conspiracy theorist or whatnot, but
I'm sorry, man. I'm sorry. I don't give a, you know,
if everybody else, I don't understand this. If every other fucking country
has tariffs and we want to implement our tariffs,
what the fuck is the problem? Also,
the fucking economy was fucking propped up by
fucking the Fed to go ahead and help fucking
biden or kamala whoever the fuck was running okay fucking government jobs being created it all
fucked up this fucking it really did fuck things up the jobs were years up first of all middle class I love when motherfuckers say middle class
I was reading a post
today and somebody said David you're wrong
because Trump is getting rid of the
middle class there is no middle class
the fuck you're talking about
middle class
disappeared 15 years
ago the fucking middle class
disappeared there's only the
fucking rich and the poor.
There's no in between. You would make the paycheck for eight years with a credit card dead up to your eyeballs, bud.
Anybody who knows about small business, I would love for you to go ahead and come up here and tell me how hard it is for you to go and get by year after year after year with your small business
there is no incentive to have a fucking small business zero and that should be the pillar
small business in the middle class are their engine to this fucking economy and we have thrown it away. We have literally
thrown it away.
They were talking about the middle class.
The middle class has been under attack since
1972.
They disappeared. I mean, Sir Crypto.
They went to China.
Hold on. I want you
motherfuckers to tell me who
exactly is the middle class. Define it.
Define the middle class define it
First of all why I have to be a motherfucker why can't I just be a fucker
Yeah, leave mom alone
Listen guys, I'm seriously I'm asking a question who is the mode. What is the middle class?
What would you consider the middle class? Oh, OK. The definition. Yeah. I mean, I think this is hard to put a handle on because I didn't grow up.
I don't know. I've been in two classes my whole life. I would say the middle class has a home.
They probably own a home. I would say very, very minimal debt to income ratio.
Right. Like if your debts are consuming more than 25% of your income,
more than 20%, more than 15% of your income, you know, you're, you know, I would say like,
you know, less than, okay, fine. Less than 33% debt to income, including your mortgage. You got
three to six months of, actually, yeah, six months of savings. And you have some sort of investment,
retirement, something. So you have an asset, reduced debts, and you of savings, and you have some sort of investment, retirement, something.
So you have an asset, reduced debts, and you own a home, and you have a stable job.
That's what I would call middle class.
I haven't seen that.
Where did you get that to start with, though?
Where do you get the start of?
That's my point.
That's David's point.
Where do we find this unicorn?
You calling me me out or?
Part of it is
you guys are going to be
in this.
Well, if you don't have
the upper mobility
and you don't have people
that can actually give out loans
to people who are going
to build businesses
in their local areas
and have some semblance
of longevity,
like it's not going to work out.
The problem is the mass consolidation
of small businesses
into larger ones.
We saw it with the consolidation of Walmart spreading across America.
We saw it with the consolidation of Amazon ruining a lot of the actual dot-com businesses that were doing seemingly well by selling their goods on the Internet.
And then you have idiots that complain about Amazon and billionaires, but then they spent most of their check during COVID on Amazon.
Amazon and billionaires, but then they spent most of their check during COVID on Amazon.
You have a very uninformed population that doesn't understand tariffs, that doesn't understand
economics, that doesn't understand what actually starting a business is. And most of the people
that are educating that population have never had to do any of those things in the first place.
Like this is a constant debate that I have with my dad is what actually happens. You know,
he left college and all of his friends left college and they started businesses and they actually employed hundreds if not thousands of people
but they're not the ones educating the next generation and that's the issue as well
all businesses pay their employees like fair wages and like gave them benefits and appreciated them
as humans like not some like corporate bullshit where like they
literally don't even give you insurance you know it's like there's a lot of stuff that's wrong with
not having these small but i just shut my down my small business dude it's impossible it's literally
impossible to do like uh it's it's sad but like you can't do it can i tell you what the retail debt...
Yeah, I got to put this up.
Reports show total household debt increased by 93 billion, 0.5% in Q4 2024, to 18.04 trillion.
The report is based on data from the New York Fed's national representative. $18.04 trillion.
The report is based on data from the New York Fed's national representative consumer credit panel and includes a one-page summary of the key takeaways and their supporting data points.
Bro.
Bro.
I'm talking like the number.
All this shit is out here for the like for you to go ahead and see you can look at this yourself
these are not make believe numbers man
like
delinquencies have increased
rates remain elevated for auto
and credit cards and how many people
who have maxed out their credit cards
are paying 30 fucking percent
who are we blaming right now
because I don't know
i am blaming i am blaming here's first of all i'll blame i'll blame the people who try to prop up
biden i really do like this is not a hold on this is not a democrat hold on hold on this is not about a
middle class over 50 years is that what you're saying hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on
biden is an extension of obama okay that's the truth though but biden is literally an extension
of obama we are here today especially in the last four years,
it's because like,
okay,
let me ask you this question.
It's a very,
I ask simple questions.
How would all these government jobs that were created,
how many people in the United States of America can actually get into one of
these jobs?
Silence. It's a fucking joke man
with all these job creations
right look at what
what is needed in order to
get this job
you need a
at most you need an associates
motherfuckers didn't even fucking get their GED.
How are they getting this fucking job?
I got a fucking jurist doctorate and it's fucking pointless.
Like I can't even run a fucking like small business law firm on my own.
Like it doesn't matter.
Like the amount of debt that you have to incur to like take out loans now is ridiculous.
And like the banks are borrowing at 0% or 1% or whatever.
But dude, you can't run the overhead.
It's fucking crazy.
That's what I'm saying.
They don't incentivize small business.
Unless you know somebody, unless you have pictures blackmailing the private banker,
you're not getting money.
You're just not.
Now you got to go look for money.
That's extremely hard when people are holding their money.
They're not giving it out.
Look what happened when...
Let's look at crypto.
Remember when crypto, any company would come out
and motherfuckers would just do a fucking round
and they would get fucking $88 million?
Certic?
$88 million for what?
Bro, I disagree.
No, but hold on.
Where's Certic?
$88 million to Certic.
Where do they go?
Where is Certic?
They're trash. their service sucked no but they got 88 million dollars and they sucked they didn't deliver where are they dead gone they suck there have there have been so many companies that i've
looked at that do so much better shit. They didn't get a dime.
They couldn't get a dime.
Can I make a point, David?
You need to know somebody in order to get money.
And even if you know somebody, you don't get that money.
No, you can't disagree.
I disagree with all of you.
People have, I'm telling you, people have taken out out fucking they've applied for credit cards they've
gotten lines of credit under their houses to support their small businesses i'm telling you
man like you okay go ahead i'll hear you let me hear you go ahead and you're actually make your
point you're actually gonna agree with me that's what's so funny every entrepreneur and founder
is gonna agree with what i'm about to say. Listen, I understand that things have changed. Things were easier, quote unquote, X amount of years ago.
Whatever we want to say. But at the end of the day, bro, entrepreneurs figure shit out.
You might have to go out of the country. You might got to go to a different state.
You might got to borrow from your grandma. You might have to go to Tesla and SpaceX and put it all on the lines of both companies.
One, I don't care if you're John D. Rockefeller, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos.
I don't care if you're the freaking local taco lady down the street on the east side of Dallas.
I've seen everybody from the bottom to the top.
The entrepreneurs figure shit
out they find a way forward
yeah
I'm telling you man
just figure it out
exactly
listen you might not be able to go
to your local bank and get your loan that your
mom could have back in the day but you gotta
find a different way go get it
there are all kinds of go sell equity in your company go find an investor there's all these dollars out
here in these streets people looking to deploy capital create your business sell a product go
get capital a thousand different ways man at the end of the day i don't subscribe tell me where
let me ask you let me ask you a question hold on hold, hold on. No, hold on.
Hold on, hold on.
And then you can go.
You open up a new business.
Who's giving you fucking capital?
Bro, I'm not telling you that you open a business or who's going to give you capital.
What I'm saying is...
No, no, no.
You have an idea.
You have an idea.
You have an idea.
You have an idea.
You have an idea.
You have an idea.
You have an idea.
You have an idea.
You have an idea.
You have an idea.
If door number one doesn't work for you, like every other entrepreneur in the history
of this country... There is no door. Absolutely like every other entrepreneur in the history of this country,
absolutely there is.
Oh, so nobody in this country is getting loans.
I'm with Enoch.
I'm with Enoch.
I'm with Enoch.
You're not listening.
You have to have connections
in order to get money.
Yeah, call AJ, bro.
Call AJ.
You're some random fucking Joe Schmo.
You think you're going to get money
But with sitting down
I don't even think you're getting the fucking meaning
But dude
Good to see you David
What he knocked to me is saying
There's people out there that are willing to invest on a good idea
Even if you're not like
The most normal entrepreneur looking dude
Like somebody is calling me all the time saying
we have a group of investors if you know any good projects like there's always people looking to buy
uh you know or be a part of a new you just said it you say you you just said it though like you're
this is where the contradictions come in i said if you're just hold on if you're just a regular
person with no connections you're not getting this money wait what if you're just a regular person with no connections, you're not getting this money.
Wait, what if you're talking about people contacting you?
I'm a regular person.
Guys, no.
You are in the crypto space.
You've traveled to Dubai.
That was after being a regular person.
I was a regular person.
It doesn't matter.
When you finally started to network and you sat down with people, first of all, people
don't give you money right away. You have to get off your ass.
You have these conversations.
There you go. There you go, AJ.
You guys are both
right. The opportunity is whack
in this country, but they're still away.
They're still away.
I'm not saying you can't get the
money, but it will take you
not even months. It will take you. Okay. Not even months.
It will take you a good long time now to get that money.
You can't walk in.
Hold on.
You used to be able to walk into a bank and get a loan for your small business.
Can you not still do that if you have great credit?
Is that not still a viable option?
Not people like me.
Not people like me back then.
David's correct.
We've got a way forward.
Dude, David's correct. Dude, David's correct.
You're missing.
You're missing.
Okay, you're acting.
The David Goggins shit doesn't work here.
Okay, I'm telling you,
if you're a regular person who has an idea
and you go...
You gotta go faster, harder.
That's entrepreneurship.
Hanak, can you just fucking
have two ears and one mouth for a second?
There's a 48% rejection rate
in the States for small business loans
or whatever that's worth. 48%
rejection. Yeah, if you do it through the regular system
like that, it's hard. It is true though.
That's what I'm saying. You guys both have points.
That's what we're talking about. You're both right.
There's somebody right now that wants to open up a business. You guys both have points. That's what we're talking about. There's somebody right now
that wants to open up a business.
They go to the bank. They're not in crypto.
Get the fucking
crypto shit out of your minds right now.
I'm not talking about crypto. We're talking about fucking
blue scorpion trash.
But AJ.
There are connections.
There's connections with that.
There are connections with that. There are connections with that.
It's not about hard work.
There are unique connections.
You can work your ass off and you're nowhere.
That there was a time where I had very few connections.
You do realize.
AJ, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
AJ, when you started off, right right you were building your brand yes okay
for years there's a difference in what i'm we're talking about right now you built your brand to
the point you got network connections to where you were able to leverage your brand into having
people call you and say hey if you know somebody that's inventing something
that's dope let us know we would love to make that investment that's why people love networking man
that's but not every like we are here in a small it relatively is even though there's millions of
people holding crypto we are still small right and there are yes
people that are now coming into this industry and they have loads of fucking money no doubt about
it some people are millionaires and billionaires and they're looking to invest into the right
product and the biggest thing the right person right if you just open up a company today and
you're like hey this is going to be the next big thing.
If I have money, right, that I want to invest, I might not be.
Most of the time, I'm not going to invest into the fucking product. I'm investing into the person because I believe the person has the fucking fortitude to fucking get the shit done.
Yeah, you got to be basically full retard.
You got to be willing to go 100%.
If I know a person's going to stay up 18 to 19 hours,
and they're going through fucking walls,
and they're going to fucking build,
I will invest into them, not into...
Listen, of course, I want to make sure that the product is good,
but you're more so investing into the person than you are into the
goddamn product. Well, if the product
is weak, then you have to have an amazing
person. If you have an amazing person, the
product could be weak because, you know,
it could be improved.
Of course. But what is the contention?
Is the contention that it's easy
or hard to get
small business loans?
It's hard it's it's it's ultimately it's ultimately a challenge for sure it's a challenge how many of you how many of you guys got sba loans i didn't
i didn't i didn't i didn't start my companies are hiring my employees based on an sba loan i found
a different way you probably would have been what wait okay. Well, thank you very much, Landy, because you would have been fucking rejected.
So let me ask you a question.
Because you'll have to know politicians, and you'll really have to network to get that SBA.
Let me ask you a question, Hanak.
Which route did you go to go ahead and get money to fund your business?
So you just gave out equity.
You didn't do that, which is good, right? If you're gave out equity. You didn't do that, which is good, right?
If you're giving out equity.
Equity is great, but you'll have to have people that believe in the company's success.
I found one guy.
I went out there.
I had been looking for years, picking up the phone, sitting down with people, pushing, pushing in all different kinds of businesses.
None of it worked.
Then I came into this space.
I had a little bit of success.
There you go.
Bang.
There you go.
I just, I proved my point.
I just proved my point.
Yeah, but spaces are free.
Hold on, hold on.
Spaces are free, David.
Let me finish.
So my point is, for years, I kept knocking, pushing, grinding.
Everything kept failing.
I came into a different sector, proposed a very similar plan, to be honest,
just in a different sector.
I found one guy, 987 knows over the course of a decade i found one human being and it led to the
biggest transaction at that point in my life and it changed my universe i'm here today because
entrepreneurs find a way period you said exactly what i just said If you were not in this space
You would have never got the money that you're looking for
That's not true because there's a lot of people outside of this space that find a way forward
Tell me how you're getting your money
So go ahead
The American dream is fine and well
It's American culture
Without cutting me off
And actually hearing what I'm saying
Without coming into the crypto space
Where would you find this money if you exclude this space? I would have found a way bro
No, no, you can't say that's generic. That's a default. That's a default fucking
Okay, all right. Where do you find the money? Here you go. Here you go.
His name is Saeed Ates in California.
Before I started my crypto business, I found one guy that invested in my mortgage company
that led to me and my partner making what I used to make in a year inside of a month
at a time.
And we cooked during that time.
So I would have found a way.
So you're talking about.
Did you hear that, David?
His name is a Habibi name. It's a happy no no no, but this is funny because you're talking about an arrow where
Everybody had a fucking mortgage company
Everybody had a fucking mortgage company on the fucking and a solar company and a solar company
I'm like It was the easiest way to get money
Once again, you're wrong listen to my
Stop stop stop
Hold on. Let me give you the context
You don't know my life. Rates were so fun
In May of 2020 capital markets were shut down
They were giving out rates. They were giving out shit to
anybody. Nobody gave me a loan
for anything. I had to go find a human
being that would deploy capital so I can
push and we could. You go find a human being that would deploy capital so i can push and we could
you entrepreneurs find a way all right all right i'm not an entrepreneur man that's all i like
i'm not an entrepreneur i literally said you would understand because you are one that's what's crazy
about you no but i don't know because you're i think you're wrong on this if you okay you know
what in my life i've just been blessed that hold on I'm saying in
my life I've been blessed to be surrounded by really good people with really good connections
that obviously without those connections it would have made it extremely hard
like I've seen people walk into banks going to private fucking
bankers and get rejected instantly and their credit scores are great they have money okay
but they're rejected look at even look at the pp uh the ppp fucking loans that they were fucking
giving out harvard and fucking all these institutions were getting them or franchises were getting them before small businesses
Small businesses needed those loans not fucking Harvard
And the reason why Harvard was getting it the reason why Harvard would get it were we're getting these fucking loans is because
They obviously have the fucking connections to fucking banks. Yeah, I didn't have small businesses were going
I didn't have done small businesses were going in the right neighborhood i came up with section eight
i had to find a different way bro but this is the american story every small business
every small business that went in to get a loan okay got like there was a big i don't know what
the exact percent and i'm not gonna make it up, but a big percent of them didn't get loans.
But guess who got loans?
Big time Fortune 500 companies.
What Life of Glory just said is 52% of people who apply for small business loans get them.
There's no excuses.
They just work.
Yeah, but okay.
But we need more numbers to that 52%.
How much of a loan are they getting?
I don't know.
My point is, bro, entrepreneurs find the way.
No, but you need to know.
Because if they get a loan, if they get a fucking loan for fucking $50,000, what are they doing with that?
My argument is no matter how many no's you get in life, no matter how tough it gets, I promise you, you have everything inside of me that it takes to figure it out.
Just keep going.
You sound like a
fucking YouTube. You sound like a YouTube
motivational video, bro.
I sound like an entrepreneur came from nothing and actually made it.
Bro, like literally
you sound like it's not that easy,
man. It takes probably an entrepreneur.
Yo, I'm going to tell you right now.
That's literally my whole idea, bro.
When in your entrepreneurship
did you go ahead and get this loan?
What year? I never took a loan,
number one. But number two, it took me a
decade of pushing and grinding
before I ever had a significant
breakthrough. And I am not an uncommon story.
Was it for the same
business?
Okay.
If you're selling a product okay if in my eyes if you're selling the same product okay you said you it was multiple if
you're selling one product it's probably going to take you three to five years of fucking grinding away getting those no's consistently even from your
friends getting that no getting the door shut in your face until you finally finally yes sir break
in and accidentally meet somebody that is willing to take a fucking chance on your shit and at that they're going to take half your
fucking company last point and i'll shut up my my message is a message of hope and encouragement
i know things are not oh my god 30 years ago can i finish david i can't i can't with this
fucking hope shit my no you should because you freaking lived it my point is this i don't care
where you come from i don't care who you are i don't know how difficult it is i don't care if you have connections or not you can and
you will find a way and that's what every single story of american entrepreneurship has always been
it's never been easy it's never been quick there is no get rich fast there's no nothing it's
obstacle after obstacle and breaking past every barrier until you hit and that is exactly what
you are going to experience. So keep going
I'm not gonna sell the fig
I think all the Democrats it's all over. There's no American. No, I mean the
The Democrats the Democrats do not provide you with an opportunity to take advantage of the opportunity of being an American
citizen and
Seizing No, no your opportunity of being an American citizen and seizing. I don't care what's in your way.
I don't care what's in your way.
No, no, no, no.
Just keep pushing.
Republicans, and I don't give a fuck what you guys think,
but Republicans want you to take advantage of the opportunity in this country.
And I don't give a fuck whether you guys agree with me or not.
Just look at the fucking numbers.
Look at the stats and look at the fucking numbers, look at the stats,
and look at the fucking policies.
They don't want people on welfare.
They want you to work, okay?
They want people to work.
They want people to go ahead and open up small businesses, and they want to incentivize them,
okay?
That's the difference between the Republican Party and the fucking Democratic Party, which
wants to tax everybody.
I mean, fucking, I keep bringing this up.
Elon Musk should have never been taxed at $11 billion tax bill.
$11 billion tax bill.
I thought we fought in this country to get away from, I thought we fought for our freedom to get away from taxes.
Yet here we are here we are republicans no matter how much you hate them because i know
the haters are in here they have always tried to put america first and have americans build
companies and support them because they realize who the motherfucking engine of this economy is you have democrats
democrats just want to give you handouts they give you handouts you depend on the government
with democrats in power both parties are horrendous on them are corrupt oh my god they're not
actually yo you want to talk about corruption different story we want to talk about corruption? Different story. We want to talk about policies.
We want to talk about policies Republicans want to build.
And they want you to build.
And they make it easy for you to build.
They want deregulation.
Not regulation.
Okay.
No problem.
You know what?
It was fun watching.
We're not going to sell people on easy.
That's not what this is.
Let me ask you a question.
Why were they pulling those fucking triggers every single time retail was winning in the stock market?
Can I help this scenario, please?
To make this conversation make sense?
Can I do it?
It makes sense.
It makes sense.
Okay.
Can I say something?
Both of you guys are stating it like it's easy to go get a fucking money.
I made one comment 15 minutes ago.
Okay.
I made one comment.
But all I'm saying is you both are talking in two different lanes.
You're talking about the policies and you're talking about basically the systems in place for the average American, the average man to go walk into a bank SBA loan or like what's going on with this
type of money and access to this capital. Like you're talking about according to that lane.
Henock has a completely different existence. He literally just said he came from section eight.
So there is no moving Henock and what he thinks because this is real for him. And it is real.
Like they're like, but, but with Henock, it takes an absurd amount of dedication and even a little bit
of luck on top sometimes because you could just work hard and still not get anywhere, unfortunately.
So a lot of people go through a lot of things. I think you both have great points.
And I don't think there should be that much of an oddity because Enoch, bro, David's talking
about basically politics. You're talking about the american spirit
the entrepreneurship spirit like the i don't care what's going on i don't care put me in a third
world country put me in a second world country i'm gonna figure it out dude i'm like that like
throw me anywhere i'll try to figure it out for me and and everyone around me but we're talking about
the average good old boy american man that that doesn't want to freaking buy the
Dallas Cowboys he knock you know what I mean they want to just feed their family and you know have
a farm or you know have some market some beef jerky middle class just good old middle class
man like that's you know where most of us are from okay exactly that's sad right that's sad so i see he knock has a point david you have a point
and also life and glory um you inspired me there's a hot tub here where i'm at and um i was doing a
little hot tub spaces in the morning that was very nice i want to here here i'm gonna i'll ask
a question aj if i wanted to get uh millions of, would I be able to get it for G Media?
Absolutely.
Yeah, just call me.
15 minutes, you'll have it.
But no, but I'm showing you something.
It's because I took years to go ahead and build my brand to the point where...
And that's not just me.
Yeah, exactly.
It's because he's been on... bro, shall I tell them, okay, why do I like G Media also and why
I've stood against the haters is because this is a voice and this has been here for years.
And it's almost part of crypto history, whether you like them or don't, or like Twitter spaces
or don't, or you like the crypto space or don don't this is part of the crypto history here on
twitter and beyond so i appreciate that and i appreciate the good people that i've met through
this platform so for me and the numbers are great for me i can go to an investor and say look at
this plus he's my friend plus he's been around for years plus this is you know reputable they're
like done let's see the deck done Done. Let's see it. Over.
Because it's reputable.
It's easy for me.
It's easy, though, for me, right?
It's easy for me to do this because I'm in this space. Was it hard the last decade or was it easy the last decade that you put in?
I'm telling you, I came on to social media when I was talking.
Let's say on X, particularly X. In right when I was talking let's say on X particularly X
in 2016 I heard you were screaming
at everybody I met you shortly
after that because you were semi nice to me
you were still the dick but I let
it slide yes
and we've talked about that
I was wild
when I came on here
it was all accidental and then my
account blew up from being just like you know now I reflect on it, but I was fucking insane.
I was really insane.
Like 100% insane.
And then I kept on looking at these magazines that were coming out here.
And I was like, yo, this shit is trash.
Nobody will understand this.
Let me come out with something in just layman's terms, bro,
to help people onboard themselves.
But again, like, I built and I understand how to build.
I understand how to build.
And I've tripped up.
Was it easy?
I've tripped.
Like I said, I've tripped up.
Bro, life will trip everybody up at some point.
It just happens.
Life will trip you up.
My question is, was it easy or fast?
Listen, there were people automatically offering me money, and I said no.
Because I don't want anybody telling me what I can fucking say or do or how to run shit.
And that's the reason why I said no to tons of fucking offers.
Tons.
I bootstrapped this on my own, bro. Like if I calculate everybody who says, oh man, it's like, I'm going to start a media company. Great. Get
ready for all the losses that you're going to take on, especially in your first three, four years.
There you go. But not a lot of people can go ahead and tolerate the losses. That's why I'm sitting here.
I'm talking to you from my perspective.
If you've seen the losses that I take on every single year while people,
you know,
slander my name and say some awful fucking bullshit.
But if I whip out the motherfucking spreadsheets and you would say,
you'll be like,
holy fuck,
what are you doing?
Why didn't you take,
why don't you?
I didn't want to go ahead and take money.
I inquired.
I will sit in meetings.
I will listen.
But ultimately, I don't want somebody to muzzle me and tell me you can't curse no more.
You can't talk the way you talk.
Okay, you can't be genuine.
Because that's what it is.
I have, you know how many asian companies call me
i got asian companies that want asian companies call me you know why they call me
because they want they don't know how to get into the united states of america right i just tell
them to get their message across they can't speak english half the time bro like it's not gonna work
they'll offer you money they're willing to yeah hey we'll buy we'll buy 20 of your company here's
money and i'm like no bro these people want you to speak that you how many people took i'm gonna
name the company but you can go ahead and look it up there are so many media companies air quote
that went ahead and took money under the table 15 million million, and promoted Sam Bankman Freed in a positive light
and promoted CZ in a bad light.
True.
Because they had to.
Because they had to.
Because they took that money.
Because they're dying.
The difference is when you don't take that kind of money,
you're not obligated to report when somebody goes ahead and makes the phone call and
says write a hit piece on somebody i don't gotta do that shit dude that's what they want you know
how expensive you know how valuable media companies are motherfuckers can create a media company right
now that shit dies out in six months i've seen it. I've seen it every day. Seven to eight years.
You know, I talk to these people, you know that every day, dude, yesterday I was with
Sean Kelly at the social hour.
They have like amazing operation, dude.
I just partnered with them.
But the, the dedication, the investment, the time, the energy, the money, like there's,
there's an upfront cost.
Like, it's not like easy. You know what I'm
saying? And they don't usually, there you go. And, and, and it's not easy, bro. So no, you're,
you're, you're absolutely right about the media. Sean Kelly, Sean Kelly here, here's what I respect
about a lot of people in media, right? So I can only speak from a media standpoint.
I respect a lot of people in
media because number one, it is the most difficult thing to build out. You're dealing with multiple
personalities. You need to figure out what your mission statement is. Like, what are you trying
to do? Are you trying to be like everybody else? People say media doesn't make money. Yes, it does
make money. Product plac make money product placements
you have sponsors you have all these things i'm not talking about what like i do business with
fucking block cash app big i'll start naming them all out they pay they pay for the right
fucking platform to get their message across sean kelly i like him you know why i like sean kelly
he invested in himself it didn't pop off right away but he invested in himself that's right plus
the dude is like nine foot one he's cool like he can go ahead it's funny duke can challenge fucking
baron trump in a hide-off bro but to bring but to bring this to the average everyday person
the point is that i'm trying to make is listen to these stories.
It's always years.
It's always hard work.
A ton of no's.
Whatever your first, second, third, 13th plan is,
it never happens.
No, but it's not true, though.
It depends what you're trying to build.
In crypto, you can get money fast.
Okay.
It depends what you're trying to build.
It's work.
That's my point.
You're trying to build a media company
Or are you trying to build 7-eleven, you know what I'm saying? It's like different
I am trying to like right and I'm not even trying I am building something that is more than just crypto
But it took years to go ahead and go into that fucking angle. Yeah, you know, it's just it doesn't happen overnight
You have to figure stuff out.
Good things take time.
I could have sold out
multiple times.
There are people that have sold out
and they became big quickly,
but they disappeared quick as well.
It's always
hard to take the long-term approach.
There you go.
You think I haven't heard no from my friends?
I don't hold it.
It's nothing personal.
I don't hold it personally against them,
but you know what I say in my head?
You will regret saying no to me.
That's my mindset.
You're an entrepreneur.
People are built different.
Yeah, I remember names.
Okay, David, I just wanted to apologize
for saying no for coming on the show more.
Just every time I come out.
I'm sorry that I didn't come as much, but I just wanted to publicly apologize, right?
Because I have some haters in here, bro.
I don't know why.
There's some Gmedia stragglers.
I don't know.
They don't like me, so I don't know why.
But, hey, I'm here.
Good morning.
And this is a great show, bro.
Great, great conversation. Wait, there's, I'm here. Good morning. And this is a great show, bro. Great, great conversation.
Wait, there's people.
Welcome to Crypto Talk.
Oh, sorry, David.
Go ahead.
No, go for it, Landon.
I was going to say, I would find it very surprising if someone didn't like AJ.
He's a very nice guy.
I'll say this, man.
If you're building out here,
you know, your own people will tell you no.
People who have money will tell you no.
But yet, they'll invest in some crock of shit.
And I've seen this.
I've sat back.
And I write these names down, bro.
I write down names.
As I move forward, I write down names.
I write down who said no to me,
you know, who closed the door on me, who didn't believe in me. Like it's one of those things
I have. And yeah, that might be pettiness, but no, like you will stay outside. You will stay
outside of that circle. Once everything's done, you won't be able to participate in this that's my when all
is said and done that's why the hall of fame speech for michael jordan everyone like dogs on that no
he brought up people from middle school high school college and the nba and after that's what
it takes to win yeah but people like hanok either you have the dna that's my point hey that's what
i'm trying to say without saying no but so, but so, so, but hold on.
There's, there's somebody that is opening up a bagel store on the corner of fifth avenue
right now.
They need a loan.
They're not going to get it.
Fine.
Go to the Jewish community.
Go, go, go.
No, no.
David's right on this one.
David's right.
You're not, you're not getting what I'm saying.
You can go to anybody you want.
If you're not Jewish, you're not getting it.
Go crowdfunded.
Figure it out.
Franchise.
Okay, you can say crowdsourced, but you need people.
But what if you're a hillbilly in Iowa?
Most of their friends are probably in debt.
What if you're a hillbilly?
Hey, are there no entrepreneurs in Iowa?
Are there no hillbillies out there cooking?
Why are you opening a bagel store? You've got to sell a lot of bagels to make it in debt. What if you're Hillbilly? Are there no entrepreneurs in Iowa? Are there no Hillbillies out there cooking? Why are you opening a bagel store? You've got to sell a lot
of bagels to make any money.
Entrepreneurs figure it out.
Entrepreneurs figure it out.
I wanted to ask a question really quick because
you know, obviously...
And Landy, by the way, I was being sarcastic.
David, that whole thing.
Yeah, I mean, there's some little whatevers, but
nothing serious.
Yeah, I would hope not. i mean look i i generally get along with everybody in this space i try to be nice to everybody and so do you um so do most people in this space but you always get
haters um listen like i i i have a lot of respect for the way that david's built bootstrapping is
not easy because you're going in in one direction You're either going the debt route, and it's very difficult if you're not
doing for SBA, if you're not doing some sort of a backed asset loan for those lower rates,
it's very difficult. So if you're starting with nothing, you have nothing but an idea.
Typically, you're put into microloan categories or high interest rate loans, or you're going on lines of credit, which is not a good way to go.
And that destroys a lot of businesses.
that I wanted to ask about is,
do you have the belief that DeFi can solve this
and that there might be a wider market
for business loans within DeFi infrastructures?
Because that's one of the things
that I'm most excited about,
but I can't predict the future.
It's a bet, right?
Like,
you know,
you're giving up equity or you're going into debt,
right?
It's,
you can't have,
you can't give up equity if you don't have a business.
So you have to go the debt route.
Or you bootstrapped.
I'm going to tell you something right now.
We're working on something that's fucking really dope.
And I,
and I,
I won't ever say it until it's fucking finished.
But obviously hard work.
And two of these things, I didn't have no connections.
But it's just like, hey, presented it, had conversations, and it least to one place but i'm i'm looking to do something completely different
with you know with this fucking company completely different and the right way not just the sellout
way the right way because i've seen people attempt to do something and it was just to add more money
into their pockets i'm i am literally looking to do something. In the next two years, I already see it.
I'm not going to talk about it. I already see it. It's going to happen.
It's going to happen. And that is what I'm focused on. But there are plenty of people.
There are plenty of people that want to give out money.
There are plenty of people.
Of course.
But what do they want?
Do they want debt?
Do they want equity?
Do they want a mix?
Equity.
Equity.
And I'm always like, you know, me personally, I'm not a fan.
Though I understand at some point you're gonna have to give
it up but it has to be for the right maybe maybe not i mean look at the founder of canes that
company's worth at least 10 bill it's 100 owned by the founder and he's still growing 30 minimum
per year and you know running and gunning like you know bro you could own it hold it forever
you will find a way you know, can you say listen I
Listen, I can I can raise I can raise five million dollars
Just by going through going going through a different route and not through fucking crypto or anything like that man. So it's just like
There's different ways you can go about it
My point my point my only point bro
you think so no but Hanak
you find a way forward
Hanak you're so wrong about this
you can do anything you want
no like even for me it's a battle
I didn't say it wasn't hard or a battle
I said you can do it
okay
and you will
and I'm right about you bro you're gonna be a multi-billionaire
i already know where this is headed there's two type of people on this planet there's there are
y'all and there's the rest and that's it you will find a way forward they always do i might have to
go to the jewish council and you know they revoke my card so i might have to you know speak to them and do they let gentiles in can i commit i'm a
respectful gentile just smack on a yarmulke bro and you'll be good nah but i can't disrespect that
that nah bro i i gotta be me listen i'm coming with a rosary
welcome to crypto talk radio uh always at the end we start talking about things that well i don't
know this could be crypto related the thing with gmedia is like the gmedia uh to end this like g
media did start as like you know a crypto magazine and then it grew into it grew into this and like
you know you're always restructuring you're're always like, you know, trying to level up,
you know,
you,
you want to,
you know,
at some point,
like crypto is great to report on.
We'll always report on crypto,
but it's more than crypto.
Now it's politics.
It's a,
it's a lot of shit that that's about to roll out.
And it takes time.
It takes time. Even though you have this have this plan on on paper it's like
yo like at some point you're like i need to expand and and i want to expand and i want to talk about
these subjects i don't want to be pigeon-held into a niche it's just i love crypto and i've said
the greatest and the biggest influencers that the ones that are going to get paid a lot of money are the ones that now will study politics and incorporate it into their style.
You need to know politics now.
You need to know politics.
If you're a crypto influencer,
if you don't know politics,
you are so fucked.
You are so fucked.
And by the way,
let me keep it real 100.
And this,
no offense to anybody with a blue checkmark.
But you know what?
When the blue checkmark meant something, I'm going to tell you where a lot of people lost money.
And this is why I'm grateful because when you build something, you really don't depend on these things.
But did I take a haircut for 5%?
Probably.
I don't know.
I never really actually dived into that.
But when they gave Eric a checkmark, right, that fucked up business for a lot of people.
Because now people look up.
You know, it used to be people would come onto Twitter and they wouldn't look at people, which was also bad in some sense.
Wouldn't look at people with no checkmarks.
They would look for people who were verified and they would follow them and obviously you know that person had some
you know they were notable because you don't you wouldn't have got twitter was the hardest one to
get a check mark from so when you had a check mark with twitter you're a notable figure now
i had a check mark yeah i got verified i had a check mark it meant something yeah i i got verified i had
a check mark i didn't fucking put it into anybody's face but it was a it was a good thing you had a
check mark it validated you in some sense it validated you so when they started giving out
all the check marks that took away from a lot of people's businesses. Nobody talks about that, but that's true.
Hey, but the entrepreneurs found a way forward.
Your plan A is your plan A, and you better have everything in order to figure out how to just adjust on the fly.
I don't think a lot of people don't know how to adjust on the fly.
A lot of people don't hire people.
Here's a big problem.
And this happens in every industry.
People don't hire people that are better than them because they're scared.
And that's the wrong way to move.
You should hire people that are better than you because number one, you learn.
people that are better than you because you number one you learn number two your company's more
Number two, your company is more successful.
successful and if it happens to be that one day this person leaves your company it's okay but if
you hire people that aren't as knowledgeable as you you're not going anywhere you're going to
stall out and that is a big problem worldwide not just in the US, but worldwide.
I learned that when I was 19 years old.
When my manager told me, because I said, why are you hiring?
I said this, why are you hiring people that are better than you?
He's like, because I want to put up better numbers.
Hiring people that are lesser than me.
And just.
The business goes nowhere.
And yes it's easier for me to go ahead.
And then blame the staff.
Hire people that are better than me.
That where I.
It was funny because I was like.
If you hire people that are better than you.
You can lose your fucking job.
He's like I don't give a fuck. I'm here to go ahead and win. And I need the best players around me. That never left me. That never left me as a 19 year old. That never left my mind. I was like,
and I saw the results. And that's what I try to do, man. If one day you make a hire or a deal with a person
is better than you and they leave and they start their own media company, it's perfectly fine.
It is perfectly fine. But your company's probably better for it.
Competition is great, man. Competition is great. I think there should be healthy competition i think
this is what america lacks is that we never you know we gave everybody the ability to go ahead
and sell their shit here but we never had the opportunity to compete on their soil and now
we're finally doing that and now maybe american companies will step up and make better cars. Okay.
Make cars that you want to get into.
So you don't think about European cars.
Maybe the next trend in the next 10 years is yo, that dude's driving that.
Well, the vets are dope anyway, but that dude's driving a vet.
That's just dope.
Maybe you'll hear that in the next 10 years versus, oh, that dude's driving a Ferrari.
He made it.
Anyway,
what's up?
I don't understand why you can't bring yourself up,
bro.
Bro.
You got me on the,
on some sort of blacklist or something.
no other space host.
here we go.
Do I have an issue when I try to request, but you got some sort of hex.
Everybody going to shoot me.
I don't know.
You were on the treadmill one night at 5, 6 in the morning, still running.
And you're like, you know what?
I'm going to do some voodoo and just put a hex on my bro just because I can.
I don't know what you guys do out there, bro in uh you know long island and shit slander um good to see you dog good
conversation this morning man um it's uh it's just like a midday it's just a midday uh
we're then i wanted to mention too we got that meme battle today bro uh lucky enough
to have you last time hopefully if you could squeeze this in you'd be able to come and keep
the vibes high because uh on the days the red days it's fun to see people go head to head in a
rap battle type way using um you know the the memes to fuck around and create some dope shit.
215 Pacific, 515 Eastern. I'm going to try to make it in there, man. You know how I always do.
It would be dope to have. It was definitely an elevated fucking experience with you there,
but, you know, I know you're busy.
I give you no,
I always give you no notice,
you know,
cause,
zero,
never.
It's incredible.
four minutes before a fucking thing.
Hey,
yo, you're available.
I'm like,
fucking.
Yeah.
I always,
I gotta say,
I'm like nine for 10 on that kind of shit.
Nah, nah, you show up for the homies, that's for sure.
Nobody can fucking say otherwise.
I will fight them if so.
It's that obvious.
But people still like to yapper their fucking mouths out here, bro.
It's hilarious.
But anyways, it's going to be fun. It's been a dope vibe to cultivate
this competition. And I think a lot of people appreciate a good rap battle. So bringing it
to the meme sector and harnessing the power of what these fucking upgrades in ChatGPT and Grok have enabled people to do is a fun thing to see, especially when you had a shot clock counting down.
Yo, I had so much fun the other day, CKASA.
That was an awesome time.
Really great artists that came through.
Prompt artists, right?
Yeah, dope, man.
And it was good to have you.
So if anyone wants to, we're going to use discretion
because we can't have fucking stragglers as the judges.
But if we know you're sturdy, you come up, be a judge.
be a judge if you think you got the sauce with the prompts if your prompt game is on point um
If you think you got the sauce with the prompts,
if your prompt game is on point,
come come bring your bring your weapon to the to the coliseum three rounds of
fucking mimetic sorcery um in the uh in the blood sport arena of mimetics today
it was fun i was uh co-hosting on that one it was fun i was like watching people just like
and i i wasn't like participating i was with the music and stuff like that but i was just
watching people just create shit that shit is dope you said because we talked about our prompts
like what our prompts would be as the as the you know contestants were cooking. We talked about what our go-to prompt would be.
I know you sauced it up with a couple of those too, man.
It's not an easy thing.
The prompt game is everything with this, plus the time.
I think it's, though, I give you mad respect for coming out here
and just throwing out giveaways in a time where people might need the giveaway.
So I respect that.
I really do.
Even though you know how I feel about participation awards.
There is a first, second, and third.
We're doing first, second, and third.
You were funny last year.
You're right.
It's definitely a bubble wrap type of thing to do the participation award. But first second and third makes sense so that's first second and third first second and
third man um but look how many like you know honestly look how many cool people like even
in this space by the way give everybody a fucking follow uh you know how it goes down you have a lot of people that are out here really building and
really doing good things man um i i probably get agitated number one two things one i think more
people should just align together and just build because this is the time where you should build
together and support one another and support the builders stop with the slander stop with the stop
with all that bullshit man like if you are
just not good at something you know there are people that are willing to go ahead and help you
out uh slandering somebody just gets you nowhere but and what you know at the end of the day
eventually people will see will see their eyes will open up and they'll be like yo i'm tired of
this bullshit uh and you know where i'm going with that. I just say no name.
Second, this is the greatest opportunity. I think right now in this space, especially,
it's a great opportunity to build something out. One thing I do want to say is, a lot of you guys
are trying to build a business that I would say is a repetitive business.
You guys need to look into the new tech and come out with a company that actually does something that's different than what we've had for the last 20 to 30 years.
So if you're trying to build the next fucking Apple, you shouldn't be focused on building the next Apple.
Maybe build the next platform that introduces AI that actually does something.
I don't know.
I'm just throwing shit out there.
That somebody looks at this and says, holy shit, this is groundbreaking.
You making the next Apple is not groundbreaking.
You coming up with the next iPhone is not groundbreaking.
And I think that's where a lot of people do fail.
They are trying to be the do fail. They are trying
to be the next Facebook. They're trying
to be the next Apple. Instead of
trying to be the next
them and creating something
that's off the charts.
Bars.
Bars.
With the media thing,
I'm not trying to...
I'm really not trying to...
Because you can't reinvent news, right?
But you can reinvent the way it's delivered.
And that's particularly where I'm kind of going with my company here.
I'm trying to go back to a time where nobody's telling you what to fucking say.
nobody's telling you what to fucking say.
We want personalities to talk.
We want personalities to talk.
Don't cross the line,
but we just want people to talk their talk
and make sure that it's interesting
and we deliver the news
the way it's supposed to be delivered.
And that's it.
And nobody can pay us off.
Nobody can go ahead and
put a little million dollars in there
and say, yo, report on this this way.
That will never happen.
One of the
things that that about g media that i think gets overlooked or glossed over is um that you guys
like you can be a coin desk or whatever and just like report stuff you're seeing about you know
topical shit in the industry but to to fucking immerse yourself in the trenches and be there even for the less exciting,
but those moments where whether it's people commiserating on red days or just sharing ideas,
there are different perspectives of the market.
Like putting in the reps and the time in a new frontier that we're all in right now,
I think people aren't recognizing or giving the due credit to yet, but i think over time it's going to prove to be time well spent
yeah i i don't i honestly i don't view i appreciate this i don't view this as waste of time
has it been like difficult has it been irritating has that yeah i can go ahead and go through that
i'm sure you know once we have podcasts set, I'll sit down and just fucking talk about the experience of building out a
fucking media company while bootstrapping,
getting,
getting nose and your friend slamming fucking doors in your face and like the
minimum support.
And now there's support.
I can go through all that shit,
but there's something beautiful in this pain.
You know,
there's, that's the best way that i can
describe it and also new levels new devils it's a you know that's stuck in my head i don't know
new levels new devils didn't what i mean did i tell you that no no i was actually uh no you you
like to go ahead and use shit like that. I was listening to something and somebody said new levels, new devils.
And I was actually working out.
I was like, yo, this shit is so fire.
Always.
What does that mean?
Exactly.
Well, new levels, new devils, right?
So you have, not everybody wants to see you win, bro.
And, you know, you have, you know.
As you ascend with success, you encounter new bosses to new levels.
Okay, thank you for the game analogy.
I can even go into the spiritual aspect of it.
You know, it's just like, you know, God ain't going to look.
I believe in God.
He ain't going to just hand you something.
You got to trust God.
That's really it. What's God going to do? I don in God. He ain't going to just hand you something. You got to trust God. That's really it.
What's God going to do?
I don't know.
Maybe create a ticker.
Let's go.
And on that point, I have meetings to attend.
But I do want to say I do appreciate all you motherfuckers on here.
I think a lot of you guys are getting to know me.
So you're getting away from all the bullshit that you've been fed.
Hopefully you're getting to know the real me.
And I appreciate the support that you guys.
There are people in this room.
I name out Cousins russell all the time they're
they're consistently feeding the g media news team like shit that if i don't know maybe they
didn't see something they feed it to them you know it's just there are things that i i appreciate
about this community you know, it just takes a, it really is like, I hate saying this word because I guess crypto made community a bad word, but there are people in this community that do want to see something win out.
And they will help, they will help push it in that direction.
And it doesn't have to include any money.
They just really, truly do support a goddamn brand.
And they just want to see it win.
I think people like Russell and Cousins, and I've heard Cousins speak on this too,
they recognize when people are doing stuff because they love what is happening here.
And I think there's a lot of people, especially the people that are the loudest fucking barkers
about what you're doing or what I'm doing, where they can't even fathom that you, that
we are doing things with the intention of, of elevating other people, helping for like
it takes a village and sometimes motherfuckers need a hand.
And that still is, has a self-serving ultimate intention behind it because you want to keep motherfuckers here.
You want to keep motherfuckers unified in a way that is impactful.
And I think a lot of people who operate from a purely extractive, self-serving, you know, point of view, they don't they can't even relate with the thought
that you actually are just trying to help someone to help them and that's where it ends
and yeah maybe you're you're you're putting in the bank for karmic energy and that's where you
know my mind is but like the the the fucking the venom that gets spewed our way that is completely unfounded
and not based on anything real,
just off these people's interpretations.
I think it's because they operate through a paradigm,
through a lens of just a more self-serving.
And I'm not saying we're altruistic i'm not trying to do it like we're
all here for benefit but i but that doesn't mean they're not mutually exclusive and and i think
operating from a mindset of abundance instead of scarcity if you're doing it in a way that is
intentional and not just like you know just just careless and have a very powerful long-term effect,
like cultivating a garden.
I want to give a shout out to you, Sikasa.
Big shout out to you.
Obviously, everybody here.
Hanak, Russell, Cousins.
You guys know how, you know what i'm gonna do i'm coming out with
like a pdf about the shows that play out here okay because i i get so tired saying it every day
but there are shows here that you should tune into that's what i'll say you should
there you go shout out to AJ too obviously like you know
I don't know like people want to build
division but I don't have no problems
with AJ so
I have no problems with anybody really honestly
like if you want to work
we're brothers bro I'm not yeah
if y'all motherfuckers want to work towards a goal
I hope you didn't take it that way bro
no never I'm just saying it was generalizing
that like I
motherfuckers try to
build wedges between everybody i don't play that game bro i'm here for business man just like
everybody else but within that time we can build relationships too there's nothing wrong with you
know with uh having a friendship here on social media and helping somebody out for free.
Okay?
For free.
It's weird.
A lot of shit that's said is just so fucking weird.
Imagine that.
I don't wake up like,
how am I going to fuck Sakasa?
How I fuck AJ?
How do I fuck?
No diddy.
No diddy.
Yo, relax.
That's Hanok.
But I don't wake up this way, man.
I actually, honestly, I like to vibe the fuck out.
Not chocolate ones, right?
I don't, look, I don't wake, I don't think anybody does.
Most people don't wake up with an agenda to fuck somebody.
No diddy.
So, you know, come on here to fuck.
I don't, this is the greatest opportunity in your lifetime to go ahead and just like generate
so much fucking money that fuck.
Just chill out, man.
Some people have money and they're miserable.
I'm telling you.
Some people have money and there's just fucking flat out miserable.
But shout out to you guys.
Sikasa515.
You got Julie Kennes at 4 p.m.
Eastern Standard Time.
Crypto News on YouTube.
You got 2 p.m.
Eastern Standard Time.
Both sides on X Spaces.
You got Jules.
You got Jules and Soka.
You got the Money Maxis.
You got the Griff Report.
You got Hotep Jesus, who's appeared on multiple, like Tim Kass and fucking Fox and like Rogan, bro.
Like, dude breaks shit down, man.
It's funny, but like, he'll break shit down, man.
He can really break shit down.
Yeah, I think I named everybody, man.
Cousins, he has some shit at 4.30 where he talks about crypto.
Late night news tonight, 9 p..m he's the standard time you got um you got leslie who's manning the mic hopefully she gets
horrific a horrific script like i got one yesterday uh on sunday this conspiracy space is now
leslie um tammy and uh jessica they host a space just talking about
flat earth and shit like that uh i don't know man uh you guys enjoy that look tammy's gonna be
fucking mad at me i'm sure there's a little swing at me uh but there uh and and night time like i
at night i like going into you know when i'm working out, I'll go into Nobu space.
Yesterday, he didn't have no space.
I don't know what happened to him.
I think he got kidnapped.
He's been busy.
He's been at a conference, he said.
Oh, at a conference.
Okay, so.
Good to see motherfuckers out here doing real life shit, too.
Yeah.
Instead of just sitting collecting checks in their fucking apartment, calling it a job like some motherfuckers.
I heard Nobu is out there at the Javits Center selling boats.
So shout out to all the people.
Anybody who needs a boat, Nobu's out there.
He's selling boats and jet skis.
Holla at that boy.
He's in New York, I guess.
But on that note, yeah. Yo yo yo sakasa i feel your pain i get it i get it i feel your pain but you know what at the end of
the day yeah yeah i know i know i'm over it i get it you know it i love you too man it
and i and i say that we all know what the I love you means.
I love you no elk. It's going to be I love you no elk just like it's no ditty with the game.
If you actually mean it, you got to
say I love you no elk.
The only thing
I'll say before is
yesterday as I'm looking at
the charts and I'm talking about this
list that I'm coming up with and a lot
of the things I have, some of them I don't and I'm being transparent about it like what i don't have i don't have maybe i'll buy in but as
i'm looking at the charts like you can watch me live as i'm breaking all this down every single
chart i pulled up it was the same it bottomed out completely from its highs completely bottomed out it's just like yet time now
motherfuckers gotta hold on bro like uh it's no but but hold on it's close to casa but we're
looking at bobo the talk everything looks the same everything's bottomed out but it's
but look at bobo like bro what is your fucking fascination with Bobo? If you want it to be it, like I said this yesterday, seven months.
Seven months.
This shit was dead.
You could have.
Bro, it's the same reason why anytime I could slip into that grease scratch,
grease scratch, they're talking about it.
The amount of time that these insiders had.
Talking about other dudes is mind-blowing to me like when yeah i i
just find it weird yeah but it's all right we all are but yeah but well well tomorrow 9 30 a.m
eastern standard time we're back again hopefully the markets are better and your moods are better
guys i hope you have a wonderful day shout out to Julie, who was holding her hand up for 45 minutes on a night show.
It wasn't the host's fault, but like, holy shit, the men would not let her speak.
Okay, the men would not let her speak.
Who didn't let you speak?
I'm going to find them.
45 minutes.
She just wanted to say, hello, guys.
I'm in North Korea right now.
We chilling. We partying.
She just wanted to say hello, man, for 45
minutes. I think I would do Julie like that. That's bullshit.
Crazy, man. That's fucked up.
That's about it. That's a wrap.
Support everybody. Support
Jungle Bay. Yeah, I said it.
People are like, why are you always
hoping out and talking about this?
That's my friend.
That's why I go ahead.
You know, when you go ahead and have friends in the space and they have projects,
sometimes you go ahead and support them for free just to say, hey, they're doing something.
Go ahead and look at it.
You don't like it.
All right, but hey
It's somebody who's building right we talk about we want builders in the space when we introduce builders We shit on them great job guys
But on that note bubble billions bubble billions
It will always be bubble billions for me, bitches.
