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Crypto's Got Talent: Ep. 6
Recorded: April 9, 2025 Duration: 1:38:18Space Recording
Short Summary
In the latest episode of Crypto's Got Talent, innovative projects like Hidden, Datagram, and Abo pitched their groundbreaking ideas, focusing on decentralized solutions, fundraising efforts, and strategic partnerships. The event highlighted the growing interest in the crypto space, with panelists emphasizing the importance of community engagement and collaboration.
Full Transcription
Music Thank you. I'm going to go to the next episode. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I Thank you. so Thank you. Thank you. I Thank you. Music Thank you. okay welcome everybody um we are good everybody that's supposed to speak is here the projects are here the panelists are here
welcome to cryptos got talent episode six i'm here my name is uh giuseppe i'm the deep in jesus
and i'm here with my co-host uh aaron aaron how are you today super pumped for episode six we are
coming off of a high with episode five filmed in person in new York City. And couldn't have been more successful.
We were actually beating the Digital Asset Summit at times there
in terms of live viewership.
So super pumped and super excited to get going here for episode six.
I know, it's crazy.
And it's all coming along.
There is so many cool things.
And I think maybe one super nice announcement
that we're going to have in just a few.
But anyway, let's maybe do a quick recap because we have some of the speakers here that we have on stage with us for the first time.
These projects are obviously pitching for the first time.
So, Aaron, what are we doing today?
Yeah, we've got some really cool projects that are joining today for Crypto's Got Talent that are going to be pitching.
One is called Zylon, another wallet hidden nubila network avo and datagram awesome and basically
think of this as some sort of like accelerator program uh it's you know in collaboration with
the polygon team and ag layer who are sponsoring basically um development for
all these projects ag layer is here with us on stage today the idea is that instead of just
running it all behind closed doors we're just running it as a i don't know think of it as like
america's got talent show plus shark tank and so each project will basically come up here on stage, pitch for about five minutes,
and then let's maybe leave about five to seven minutes for Q&A with our panelists. And we try to obviously invite our friends to basically come up here on stage with us
and learn about these projects.
And it just so happens that our friends are quite expert in the Deepin sector,
so it works really well.
All right.
What do you say?
Yeah, maybe it's a good chance
if you guys want to introduce yourselves as well, panelists.
Yeah.
And then we'll jump into our theme song.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Theme song and then announcement.
First up on my list is Scott.
Scott, how are you doing today?
Thanks for joining us again.
Oh, hey, Aaron. What's up, my D-Pin kings and queens? Super excited to be here. I love this show.
This is what the space needs. We need more distribution. We need more eyes in the D-Pin prize.
So, yeah, I'm excited to hear all these real world applications cook and if you've never heard me talk
I'm the founder of deep and daily and now the founder of orbital beam, which is a real world network consortium
So hopefully I hear some cool projects that we can work with in the future and we work with cool ass people like Aaron himself
And yeah, man, let's get it. Cheers. Love it
All right. Awesome. Awesome. And next up on my screen i have daniel from hotspotty how you
doing today thanks for joining us oh yeah first time for you so yeah thanks for doing this yeah
thank you uh super excited to be here i think the show is something that space definitely needs like
scott mentioned um i'm daniel i'm the founder of hotspotty and deepin hub been in the space for
i don't know many years and crypto even longer
uh but excited to grind on some projects here with you guys and you know i love i attacks i
love aaron and giuseppe what you guys do maybe you guys around the world and just bring some
about how we can make the space bigger something that i'm always for let's do this let's go awesome
and we have also another new speaker is leonardaC. Thanks for joining us. Again, first time for you as well. So nice to meet you as well. First time we're speaking.
exciting projects, you know, to tap into for our accelerator program for any of our initiatives.
So yeah, very curious to hear the pitches. And yeah, thanks again for letting me join.
Awesome. Thank you. And yeah, guys, so let's say judges, panelists, however, we want to define
ourselves, feel free to ask any question in the Q&A. Obviously, you know, keep in mind that is,
I always say, you know, it's really that is, I always say, you know,
it's really difficult for these guys to just come
up here, share their ideas,
and any feedback that
we have, you know, we just do it constructively
and tactfully, but feel free to
like poke holes, anything
that you want to know, anything that you want to dig
deeper, it's, you know, all
welcome. For
everybody who's listening uh just wanted to
basically say after this um maybe next week or so we're going to announce the column winners uh for
the phase one and then we're moving to the phase two of the of the show and uh so stay tuned for
that everybody also listening now aaron is the person that made the most amazing theme song ever
for our show all right let on the kettle let's find our next big bang
been around the block
team projects come and go
most of them beasts
ain't nothing special just to show
but tonight we're different
I'm nearly up for grabs got the stage all set up watch the rivets place the tabs I just come and go. Most of them beasts ain't nothing special just to show. But tonight we're different, not familiar off the grounds.
Got the stage all set up, watch the rivals place the tabs.
Every found a nervous gripping slides with shaking hands.
Some got innovation, others just got master plans.
Me and Eric posted checking every single spec.
Gotta find out when to put respect upon the tech.
Way free.
Looking sharp and needs to side a bitch.
Way to projects like we're taking hits. On that judge's panel, make that crypto deal.
Yes, let's make the crypto deal. Let's go. Make that crypto deal. Yes, let's make the crypto deal.
Sounds good.
All right.
Before we get to the little surprise that we have for you,
maybe shall we start with the first project, Aaron?
What do you think?
Let's do it.
All right.
You want to introduce them?
Yeah.
First up, we got Zylon.
Zylon, can you wave a hand here?
We gotta add them as a speaker. Zylon, can you request to speak when you have a moment?
In the meantime, maybe we just jump to the next project. What do you guys think?
Next up looks like we got Wallet Hidden. Are you up here?
Yeah, we're here.
Awesome. up looks like we got wallet hidden are you up here yeah awesome all right let's go my friend let's do uh yeah let's do five or so minutes for a pitch uh or you know however you feel like it
but then you know be prepared to maybe at least uh leave five to six minutes for q a
sure yeah um so just making a test, everything is okay? Yeah perfect.
Oh no, this is Xylon actually. Xylon, let's pause for a second because we were
introducing WalletHidden and then we'll go to you right after. Sounds good?
Sure, yeah yeah thank you
so okay hiding can I speak are you hearing me well yes go for it oh yeah thanks a lot um hello everyone my name is Valentine Franschka I'm studio and co-founder of hidden and I hope
you hear me well because um I'm going to dive all of you into excited journey of the iranway and security of the crypto
that we are doing at a hidden but to start i want you imagine in your heads that potentially it's a
bull run your bag is up our drops are live you're breeding minting swapping everything is from your
phone and simply saying you're interacting actively with your crypto assets. But there will still be a very big question.
That's what is about your security?
It's still a sticky note, a screenshot or just a phrase period in your notes
or even writing a safe message in Telegram.
And I would call it the silent killer in crypto because we have all been forced
to choose between the convince or security.
And let's be honest, we lean forward to convince until it's too late, unfortunately.
And that's exactly why we built the hidden.
Because it's the first multi-layer hardware wallet embedded in your phone case.
No any cables, no USB sticks, no forgetting your cold wallet at home.
Hidden is with you always because your phone case is already it. And it's become the possible thanks to our proprietary top interaction core,
which we call TIC. This is a special chip which solves the issue of the security of valuable
assets within a two-way and a three-factor security system. It's EL6 Plus certified at the same level used on the military
IDs, for example. And how it works. So it generates and stores your seed phrase directly in the chip.
After, it authentifies you through the physical presence. And it signs your transaction on chain
like an Apple Pay with a single tab, all without ever exposing your private key and with a hidden acid phrase alone is
worthless to attackers only the physical case embedded cheap and your biometric presence
together can unlock and sign the transactions it's a triple layer security model that turns your phone
case simply say into this cryptographic gatekeeper and it's a goldmine of the protection for the exchanges uh wallets or just the simple individuals who cares about the crypto and your phone adjusts
the screen and the case is the wall so and here I just want to say that the best part is the setup
because it's very simple everything what you need is just to have this phone case you need to insert
your phone into this case then unload a hidden app, tap to activate
and pass a few actions. And that's it. It's very simple and takes less than one minute. There is
no any friction, no learning curves, no compromise. It feels like a normal case, but functions like a
secure hardwall enclave and the new experience. And yes, it's designed to be affordable from day one.
We are not building any luxury.
It's just the building everyday protection for everyone.
And we are not trying at the same time to replace
or to reinvent the MetaMask or Phantom or the other wallets.
We are here to protect them.
Like it's the new way of thinking
how the people's using their wallets.
It's to make sure that it's really you
behind every transactions because of the next evolution of the web 3 security isn't about the
passwords i would say it's about the presence just touch tap and trust because with the all
technologies that we have now just only the passwords that you've written in the sticker
is not enough and right now we are at the mvp stage the chip written in the sticker is not enough. And right now, we are at the MVP stage.
The chip is real.
The activation is working.
But we need you, the real users, the real feedback, and the real momentum.
That's why today we are inviting you to join our first cohort and to use the possibility
to pre-order the hidden case at a special early price at a hiddenwallet.com.
And we are giving you the possibility to be part of the community that shapes this product with us together and from
us you get the military-grade security and from you we ask just early belief honest feedback and
support so i'm just inviting you to let's be together and not just for the crypto natives
but for everyone who is coming next and And Hidden is about the simple secure,
which is always with you.
Thank you for your attention.
Aaron, I think these pitches are getting better and better.
That was clean.
Great voice too.
I love it.
Yeah, very nice.
And as a matter of fact,
you raise a good point.
If you want to share the link for people
to maybe go and experiment with your project,
feel free to share the link and then we can just pin it to the top.
So everybody else, Avoc, Cylon, Nubila, Datagram, feel free to do the same so that at least whoever is listening can come and check out your projects.
At this point, I'm going to step away and I'll let the judges do their magic.
Yeah, go ahead.
Nice.
First of all, congratulations.
Am I supposed to ask questions? Is that how it works?
Yeah, go for it, man.
Awesome.
You can also make statements.
No, yeah, it was a great presentation. Let's go. Let's start with that.
I like what you guys are doing. I think having something with you all the time because everybody has their phone with them.
What is the difference between this implementation and for example
tangium wallet right i think i feel that it's kind of similar to to that the second question is
what happens do you have back how is the backup of that in case someone steals your phone or
or is your phone's dropping the water when you're going swimming and are you guys manufacturing the
hardware yourselves how does that work sorry three questions maybe too much no let's try don't worry don't worry like
I actually like them thank you and actually I expected that you will compare that with the
with the with the time gem because actually we also did a deep research uh before to start to
work with these new chips and it's pretty similar but you know like in their case they are using the
NFC technologies uh with a great fix.
And what is making different us from them is that we are not just about the crypto hard wallet.
It's about the multi-layer solution, which allows you to save your seed phrase and also to use this chip as the point that you use for signing transactions.
at point that you use for signing transactions.
And also if you lost, for example, access to your phone
or to your seed phrase, you can easily like restart everything
with just this chip.
So and also what is made different that we can integrate it
with other existing crypto wallets.
It's kind of cooperation that can use this technology.
And since there are users buying our phone cases, they can sign their open
transactions in their wallets like Metamask or Phantom with our cases.
Those like this main difference here. And going to next question, if you drop it in water,
there is nothing happened because the phone case
is made from the bioplastic actually, which is a point because we care about ecology.
But at the same time, it's totally, how to say, waterproof and it's not suitable in the
water and the chip is integrated inside a corp.
So it means that there is no direct connection, interaction with water or other environment.
So there's like a fully secured.
And the third question was, can you please remind me?
Who's manufacturing the actual hardware?
Yeah, actually, we have our team that's working on the all metal work,
like doing research, developing, et cetera. But also the full scale production is on the outsourcing.
Partially we work with the SDM Electronics and with the SAG company in Taiwan.
It's in terms of the microchips and in terms of the phone cases, the China and India.
Awesome.
Where are the team based?
Or are you?
Partially, you know, like the part of the team are in Paris.
Personally, I'm in Paris at Stacion F.
Vasyl is my partner. He is in London and partial of team are in in paris personally me i'm in paris at station f uh vasil is my partner he is
in london and partial of teams are in ukraine uh and actually now we are trying to build much more
like bigger team involving the people from the us and from the canada
nice thank you yeah thank you too
yeah just to build on top of previous questions.
So I'm excited that you care about the sustainability element.
But I'm very curious to hear, what's the process with actually losing access to your phone?
I think that wasn't covered before, if it's stolen or you lose it.
Because how do you start from scratch?
There has to be like centralization aspect there.
If you can recover, that's the same kind of like, you know,
buzz we had like with Ledger where you can recover your accounts
and that becomes way less decentralized.
So I'm curious to hear how you're tackling that.
Yeah, you know, actually it's a philosophical question
and like the final concept that is
fully work and that we're sure that is the only one way is if we go through the market and we
test it with the real customers in different focus group etc because for now we have a concept that
we are following and trying to develop it and for now like step by step, first of all, with a wallet, it's kind of, well, the wallet is designed to securely generate, store, and protect your seed phrase directly inside the embedded secure chip.
And during the setup, a unique BIP39 compliant seed phrase is generated within the chip itself, and it's never exposed to the screen, the cloud, or any external connections.
itself and it's never exposed to the screen the cloud or any external connections in case if you
lose your uh your phone for example or it's broken you won't lose your access to the funds because
your phone case is a compatible smartphone to download the hidden app access your portfolio
well for example you can scan this chip in a phone case with the other phone or with the
other devices where you can download the hidden app in case if you lose access to your uh like a phone or uh like both uh phone and phone case
there is a different way because we have an encrypted backup also it could be the multi-device
synchronization uh which we are trying to develop and also it's a manual uh seed backup it's like
it's up to our users for the full control you can export and securely store the seed phrase offline
using the industrial industry standard methods.
You know, like we're pretty flexible here
and we can note the guarantee, the 100% sure that is the only one.
It's not a panacea, you know, it's just a new way
how to protect the assets and access to the wallets, you know.
Yeah, okay, that makes sense. the assets and access to their wallets, you know?
Yeah.
Okay. That, that makes sense.
And, you know, you're constantly mentioning that you really want to
get this to the market, get feedback from consumers.
Have you done any like beta testing, you know, with like a small pool of like
early users or whatever to confirm certain, like, you know, like gaps in, in, in the,
you know, either from the hardware perspective or from the app perspective?
Well, in perspective of the hardware, we are mostly secure about everything what we've created.
It's now the stage when we need to try to pilot it with the real customers.
That's why actually I announced that we are collecting the real leads who can try to pilot it with the real customers that's why actually i announced that we are collecting the
the real leads who who can uh try uh to work together with us to provide their feedbacks
their expectations their pain needs to make our go-to-market strategies much more uh affordable
for the potential users you know like we are at the mvp stage it means that we have ready the
hardware product and now we're actively working on the software product and with the pilot users, we want to assemble everything together
and go in the market with all of them.
Right.
And one last question from my side and I'll let other panelists speak.
So how many people have you already onboarded and how many are on the pre-order list?
Well, actually, we just started it yesterday.
So, you know, we were very close to this event because we were preparing,
especially for the event to be ready, everything to start collecting the leads from today,
because like we did a small groups groups especially in Paris with the community of
the station F incubator but you know it was not very uh relative data because there was like
different people who had not like it's a friends you know not so much people using the crypto uh
that's why we decided okay we're just waiting our time and it's better to go and the targeting the
people who will be on this event and we can collect the, uh, the first leads and after using these leads,
because they have their friends, family, et cetera,
we can hire more and more people.
All right. Okay. Well then good luck with these early stages.
I'm excited to track your progress and that's all from my side. Thank you.
Thanks also for the questions. Very nice questions and conversation.
Likewise.
Scott, Aaron, anything for me, guys?
Yeah, we'd love to see when we can get one in our hands here, especially as a product
person.
You know, I love trying these things out and giving feedback.
So maybe just give a quick shout out of where we can get involved.
Yeah, Hiddin, do you want to share maybe a link or call to action for anybody listening uh yes actually after after yeah uh how can i share the link because i uh i posted it somewhere in
in the chat but uh where should i do this it's a hidden-wallet.com, right?
Oh, yeah.
It's in the... You can drop it in the comments, basically,
and then we'll pin it.
It already pins.
I just pinned it.
Ah, nice, Aaron.
Yeah, it looks like it's $40 to pre-order.
Very cool.
Yes, actually, yes.
And it's comparing with the competitors.
It's most affordable.
That's what we learned, because most of the competitors it's uh like most affordable that's what we learned because
like most of the competitors they're trying to sell the very simple solution of the nfc
technologies is paying like 160 euro which doesn't make sense for us
would you guys consider yourself a competitor to ledger or do you think that people should still
have their ledger and no actually no we we are not trying to compete them because, you know,
it's a totally different target of the people who are using this.
You know, in our case, it's mostly for the daily user transactions
where we're quick when you need to send money,
when you need to accept them, when you need to exchange
or you need to have an access to your crypto wallet in a daily base.
You know, it's for the quick because, you know, like there is a lot of users who are
doing streams, they can show their seed phrase somewhere like it was a few months ago.
And the guy lost a lot of crypto.
You know, it's like for the it's a high quality mass market product, I would say.
Very cool.
Awesome.
Yeah, I think this is good um any other questions from the panelists
before i move on no i think everybody nailed it that's why i didn't really have nothing to say
sounds good sounds good though thank you all for this opportunity like much much appreciate it
it's very nice of course we'll be in touch with next phase
thank you hidden wallet and next up we have xylon xylon i gotta interrupt you once more though
uh i do see there is something interesting pinned on the top of the screen and it's our new cryptos
got talent website it's live uh guys feel free to have a look I think it looks super cool I just want to say publicly amazing
job to our team and I think you guys did an amazing super cool job Aaron have you had a
chance to check it out yeah a big fan for sure I think it captures all of our different links
from the different episodes and where we have Spotify launching as well soon
just trying to get through different mediums to to get this out in front of as many people as
possible so yeah go and check it out we'll continue to post every episode there as well
awesome and yeah and we have a few more updates coming up but yeah I think it's
time for asylum now I will stop interrupting uh their moment
so great things first i want to say thank you to everyone making this happening and
for the opportunity to pitch again also this is a very nice space we're going to build some some
great things together i believe looking at the other projects as well.
So we have started working on Xylian officially around four months ago.
And although we have been silent on social media lately, we've been working hard in the background.
So lately, like energy efficiency and tokenization are reshaping the market landscape so in 2024 the market reached around 4 billion
dollars and with the projection to reach around 8 billion in 2029 and 14 billion
around 2023 so driven by some smart home adaptation and energy incentives of
course this is happening due to few problems that we are targeting today
specifically so the traditional ways of climate control or any heating cooling systems whatever
it is for facilities it's actually somewhat outdated and most of the time it requires like
significant energy or it relies on fossil fuels and it's costly and it has a lengthy return of
investment if any so another problem is that the heat produced by cryptocurrency mining equipment
it's always seen as high energy process and not hugely adapted so also energy
decentralization is another thing that was never possible due to huge companies controlling the market and so on.
So huge corporations also need more opportunities for buying sustainable energy and carbon credits to minimize their prints.
So we are targeting not one, but few problems here.
And so we have developed sustainable blockchain-based systems that allow users to start actual return of investment since day one
and remove the need for fossil fuels and integrate renewable sources of energy
to maximize efficiency, of course.
Uplifting the process of traditional mining equipment through
heat retention.
We managed not also to make the traditional proof of work better, but also to digitalize
some like two real world assets.
So through the power of blockchain, the systems will be issuing two digitalized assets representing
safe energy and prevented carbon directly.
So customers that are buying these systems will gain access not only to instant return of investment,
but also to a digitalized open market.
The benefit is for all.
So where, as I mentioned, huge corporations will get access to more and digitalized renewable energy in the future.
And we believe this has to be done through the blockchain. will get access to more and digitalized renewable energy in the future and we
believe this is has to be done through through the blockchain so in our way of
development of course because we want to make this transparent as possible and of
course reliable as possible we managed to form some key connections and partnerships while also utilizing the SME patent grant for our systems.
So we have partnered up with key manufacturers like Seed Studio and Engineered Fluids,
who strongly believe in our project actually and are building a better future with us as we speak.
building a better future with us as we speak.
So in terms of compliance and more specifically KYC requirements
where when there is some, how can I say,
when there is some like any energy tokens that need to be traded that anyone wants to trade have to go through
some kyc so we have also partnered with everotrust to ensure any kyc requirements will be met
on a global and local level and in terms of regulations we have collaborated with clever
soft who is a small it's not small but it is a local company who will walk us through
the process to ensure that we also meet with the required standards.
So we are positioned well to establish and expand our market presence globally, starting
with the EU and the US, of course, by launching pilot projects and establishing a stronger
vendor network with some unofficial and future partners of course. So Xylon was established in Bulgaria. We the founders know each other
for more than two decades personally. So this is always a good thing for me to have the
trust. And I've been trading personally mining and investing in crypto since 2016. So initially
I started exploring better ways
to call my mining equipment, of course,
but later it transitioned to recapturing the heat
and learning further how to optimize the whole thing.
Also my co-founders have established experience
in the crypto trading and investing.
And one of them is actually a very well educated back death.
So with that being said, actually my pitch here is done and I just want to say that we
are looking to start actually to go introduction.
So in terms of smart contracts and like the blockchain thing uh the whole digitalization is going to happen uh with some
partners from bitpay in terms of coding of course advisors are needed um so yeah thank you again for
for the time and thank you for for for the whole thing
awesome thank you opening up to the judges now
hey zylon can you give me like uh uh like like a 20 like a 30 second exactly what you guys do at
zylon so yes we are recapturing the heat from mining equipment and we are utilizing
it for different purposes in terms of climate control and then okay got it uh and for your
client your customers uh are you are you trying to onboard uh you know enterprises like you know
who who's your who's your customer here um like we don't have a
specific customers like anyone that has like traditional heating cooling system whatever it
is even water heating it can be replaced with this system so we I have also personally managed to develop, of course, through a mobile app and some other ways to simplify the process for elderly people and such.
So we don't have a specific customer base, but we know that, for example, customers that are already mining are going to want this, of course.
But any traditional HVAC system can be replaced with this.
Got it.
And the last thing, where are you at with funding?
And the other question is, what happened to your website?
So, yeah, we actually were exploring different opportunities
for hosting the website and we are
actually developing the the a new design website right now which we think we need because we also
have been invited to some press conference and it's good getting public and all that so yeah so
what was the first question again sorry Sorry, I'm starting from backwards.
I was just curious, like, since you really don't know your customer base yet, so I was wondering, like, are you getting funding to scale? Like, you know, how does this thing grow? So we actually do know our customer base. So people that are utilizing renewable sources of energy are already very interested in buying our systems directly.
So there is that. Of course, the popularity is going to come with marketing and such things.
such things in terms of funding um we have managed to get the patent funding and basically
develop the system to perfection and testing it um but we we have not we have not gotten any further
funding from that if this answers your question
so you're trying to seek a patent for this technology.
Is that true?
We are going after the European patent and we are looking to expand the compliance in the US as well.
Gotcha.
What about in...
Sorry, go ahead.
Yeah, I'm kind of in the same boat as Scott, whereas, you know, from the pitch, it was quite unclear, like the exact services you provide.
And then, you know, you mentioned like, oh, we know our customer base.
It's about, you know, really replacing these kind of like heat models at this moment.
But like, can you name like specific service providers? I assume,
for example, like Bitcoin miners, that's the most like straightforward, like client base,
but that's, you know, kind of feel the shrinking. And I feel like, you know, I don't know, in the
next five, 10 years, I feel like we're not, of course you can pivot, but we're not going to have
as extensive client base as you have now
and that you thought you know you might tap into so I'm just curious to hear you know what's your
plan for the next like five to ten years and the exact avenues you can actually tap into with like
you know Bitcoin miners like that's very clear clientele. What other clear clientele you can share with us?
So actually the target is not like specific miners,
neither it's Bitcoin miners or Casper miners
or Dogecoin miners, whatever miners they are.
Actually the target is the everyday user here.
So like if you want to replace your system
and actually start to have return of
investment since day one, because usually this doesn't happen, this is your product.
Yeah. So of course, people that are already utilizing renewable sources of energy are
already interested in such thing because they are, in my eyes, they are simply educated, like
whoever is educated a little bit on blockchain, renewable energy and such things is going
to want to buy the systems.
Of course, we didn't go into like very big marketing and such just because we want to comply with our patenting and all the things that it comes with it.
But yeah, in general, we have already people interested to buy the systems,
and they are not like one, two, five people.
There are a lot of people.
I mean, locally, we cannot speak about, because we have not expanded on such a marketing level yet,
but locally, we can say that we have a lot of people
that are interested in it, because it's not,
I mean, I can give you some prices
of what the system is going to cost,
but you also have some smaller versions of the systems
and such that are going to be more,
like, are not going to be more like,
are not going to cost so much. Yeah.
Yeah, I guess like this is one of the like products
that are difficult to pitch via audio
because there are just so many intricacies
and, you know, like technical angles
that you need to kind of understand and go through.
But like if I'm still having so much trouble
understanding how is this, you know,
directed towards everyday user,
like none of us, like, I feel like at this point in time
would like understand how to interact,
like, or, you know, like already directly,
like engaged with like renewal energy,
like as like a provider rather than like end user
you know so for me like just the whole like business model is like a bit shaky but I understand
you're in early stages and you know maybe once I would see a deck and like white paper and like
that you would like clearly outline your strategy and and your go-to here then it would become
clearer but for now it's like a bit messy.
And maybe, you know, because you're early stage,
you're allowed to be messy.
But yeah, I feel like right now it's really difficult
to evaluate where this is going,
where, you know, it can prove a benefit.
And the only way I can see it's interacting
with everyday users, just them buying a token and, you know, like that's that.
But yeah, again, very limited information that we can gather here in, you know, in the spaces.
So yeah, that's observation from my side.
If I could just expand on that very quickly, I'm not just going to take long. So I've just forgot to mention, we have partnered with some exchanges that are actually dealing
with digitalized assets, real world assets.
So I guess your question is how you're going to interact and you're going to become the
provider of such tokens or digitalized assets.
And I guess it's what I said before like of course you're using
mobile apps every day i guess so i don't think for you it's going to be a problem to say like
hey i want to to keep my tokens today when just with a single click of a button you can sell them
or or keep them or whatever you want to do the same goes for the like because we are utilizing the
heat of traditional proof of work equipment we are not taking any of the proof of work
like value that is coming out of it you can have it you can sell it today you can sell it tomorrow
you can stake it you can do whatever you want with it if this makes sense to you it's not as
i'm on a real quick man because you just it's kind of
you're just making it more confusing so i want to give you some like good call to action some
some advice so when you explain this you want to just be really clear like you you explained it
really well in 30 seconds when i asked you right so practice your elevator pitch like all that
other stuff the yeah we think our customers can do this, that we think like just get rid of all of that.
And just this is what we do.
This is the use cases and be clear and concise.
Bitcoin is cool, like Leonardo said.
But, you know, a lot of us that work in accelerators investment, we look at five year, 10 year, 12 year, 15 year lines.
So you want to
have a clear and concise plan okay yeah we're doing bitcoin mining now but now we want to do
data centers that are underwater in pools and oceans um and here is the the use cases for that
and then this is the the value that we think that we can bring uh to these different sectors outside
of bitcoin mining and i think that just being clear
on those two things would make your pitch very more understandable, but easier on you to have
to slice and dice, like what Leonardo said, like 50 different kind of things, and then kind of
confuse someone who really doesn't know about heating data centers, Bitcoin mining, and have
to look at a deck
um you know you just want to practice that 30 second elevator pitch what do i do here's our
use cases and this is how we're gonna you know we're gonna change the world using dpin you got
it thank you um i have a question then on a different side like on the hardware side what
kind of how do you guys going to measure
you know the heat being generated by this mining uh servers can you also work on like a regular
data center you know like work from tier one tier two three et cetera data centers right
yeah just to expand on the previous thing so to to speak more directly you're looking into six around six years uh
return of investment on the system where the traditional system most of them don't offer that
um and yes this can be used on data centers of course this is happening through multiple and
we are actually building some custom sensors, custom IoT sensors.
So yeah, this is happening through multiple sensors
and some calculations like physics, if I can say straight.
So yeah, if this answers your question.
What kind of hardware do we need for that?
As a customer, you mean?
Like, let's say I have a data center and I want to start using your product to lower my cost or get some carbon credits or something like that, right?
What kind of investment do I need to do?
I mean, I could tell you if we comply with our ip in in the us i guess
but yeah in to answer your question you don't need much
oh all right guys okay oh no no no no then i'm just trying to wrap because we're okay
and everybody has kind of like some amounted time that's about you know to 12 14 minutes uh let's uh move on uh but i mean silon thank you now for doing this thanks for taking the questions and answering um if anybody has any questions for him
just drop it in the comments and i'm sure uh silon can get them to to offline. Let's move on now. We have
Nubila on the list next, right Aaron?
Yes, we'd love to bring Nubila onto the stage.
All right.
Thank you everyone.
Hey, yeah, thanks guys for having
us and your continued
support. I hear you guys were
talking about Nubila
to the US lawmakers recently.
So yeah, very excited to be here. I'm Toby Skinner, I'm the CMO here at Nubala. Our mission
is to build the world's largest decentralized network of environmental data and we're starting
with the weather. Built on IoTeX of course, our Deepin network rewards people
who purchase our weather station and we manufacture the hardware ourselves and through the hardware
they contribute super hyper local real-time weather data. We have deployed over 20,000 stations to date. Each one collects temperature, wind, air pressure, UV,
and humidity.
And we also have over 16,000 node operators
validating the data for us.
Of course, this data has real value itself
as a real-world asset.
But most importantly, it can be used to fuel AI models
that take the decentralized data layer we're building
and turns it into critical business and climate intelligence.
So weather forecasting itself has been just completely
turned on its head by AI.
I used to work for Weather Underground,
which was the first weather website back in the mid-90s. And it used to take six hours to run a
forecast model back then. Now with AI, it's like less than a minute. So yeah, the amount of data
you put into any model, right, is going to help drive the quality of the output.
So having more weather observations around the world has never been more important for everybody working on AI forecasting.
We've actually also launched our own weather AI agent called Kayla.
Of course, we're using the Bino AI framework that IoTeX and Eliza OS
built together. But you know most crucially our data will be used by
businesses in so many different industries who are all building their
own AI models to help them make critical business decisions. So financial
services and insurance industries will use our data
to assess all kinds of different risk, whether it's weather derivatives, whether it's
obviously, you know, insuring homes in areas with kind of climate risk.
Renewable energy companies will use our data to predict energy outputs, logistics, transport, defense, aviation.
All these industries really require ESG data to drive smarter decisions.
And of course, agriculture is hugely reliant on the weather.
in 2020 the World Bank did a study and estimates weather related agricultural
losses every year average about 10 billion worldwide if its economic cost
and most importantly the loss of human life that's caused by severe weather
events unfortunately is well documented right now with the wildfires in LA this year, last year's mudslides in Valencia, the impact of these
events, they could really have been reduced with better access to data and the weather intelligence
that we derive from the data. So our network will provide the infrastructure for understanding and
monitoring the impact of climate change on our planet. We really connect the physical world
to intelligent systems.
To wrap this up, personally, I'm so excited about the power of
Deepin in the weather industry. As I mentioned, I was the first
marketing hire at Weather Underground and I launched and built
the world's largest crowdsource data network
in the Web2 world.
We had a quarter of a million weather station owners
contributing data at Weather Underground,
but we faced a lot of challenges,
and D-PIN is really helping solve these.
Perhaps the number one reason D-PIN is going to change the way we can collect weather
data is sensor coverage. Normally with traditional networks, it will track the population. Big cities
will have loads of stations, really high resolution sensors, but there'll be virtually no coverage in
more rural areas. And these are rural areas in the US or globally
are often the areas that you're growing agriculture,
you're considering creating a solar farm.
So we can really encourage deployment of stations
in specific areas with these coverage gaps
by offering greater incentives to people
who contribute in the areas that need
the data the most. Also traditional weather station networks have data coming from hundreds
of different station types, different hardware. All of our stations are manufactured by us,
so the quality and accuracy is very easy to control.
The QC process is very easy and instant.
Anyway, yeah, so that is definitely my five minutes.
You can go to nubler.ai to learn more.
I would encourage you to look at our Discord and X.
You can actually ask our weather AI agent
any weather related question.
Yeah. On those discord channels.
Sweet. Thanks for sharing Toby and guys, all yours.
Yeah, I'll just go first because, uh, yeah, I'm just,
I'm known Benson for a long time. I'm San Francisco,
big fan of what you're doing Toby. Um, I guess like I'll a long time. I'm San Francisco. Big fan of what you're doing, Toby. I guess I'll ask questions when I bring up Nublia,
like when I talk about you guys on panels and to other people.
Not a question for me, but just a question
you can answer for a lot of people.
People always get worried about the security of the data
and then the spoofing.
Do you want to explain how hyperlocal and what you guys are doing with E-PIN solves those kind of issues, Toby?
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I mentioned weather derivatives industry.
That is growing so far.
So many billions of dollars are being kind of hedged, crops not being affected by the weather.
You know, at Weather Underground, Bloomberg was our biggest client
for all the commodity brokers around the world.
And, you know, traditionally, if you're storing all this historical data off-chain,
then, you know, it's not immutable.
People can change it.
And if you're paying out a lot of money,
you want to make sure that you have full confidence
that the data in this exact location
was what is being reported in the archives.
Yeah, so hopefully that answers your question.
Quick question.
What is the main differentiation or USP from Nubila versus WeatherXM or SkyX, for example?
Especially SkyX because the hardware looks very similar.
Yeah, it may look similar, but we have extensive experience with R&D.
We actually purchased a company called Bloomsky that has one of the largest networks with a station that includes the sky cameras.
So, yeah, the quality of the hardware, the accuracy of the data, yeah, is the main differentiator.
We've already got more scale than them.
Our team has a very varied background.
We have experts in AI, obviously Web3 and D-Pin.
I bring the weather experience of the industry, and then we have Hogg, who is our
chief hardware officer, and he does the R&D from California.
And yeah, the first device that we released, the Marco device, is just the first.
As I mentioned, it's not just about the weather. We are already exploring other devices for other types of environmental data, you know, whether it's air quality, particulate matter, carbon, soil, water.
Yeah, we have high ambitions to just, yeah, focus on all kinds of ESG data.
Awesome. Thank you.
Yeah. These are the types of projects.
Oh yeah. Sorry. Go ahead.
No problem. You go ahead, Leonardo.
Yeah. I was just going to say that these are the types of projects,
you know, that get me excited about Deepen in the first place.
This kind of real world bridging of Web3 tech and, you know, use cases that has been so fragmented and, you know, so inconsistent in the past.
You know, we are really looking to make, you know, these systems and models like cheaper and faster and more accurate, more in-depth.
And Web3 can really do that with the right teams, with the right expertise and resources.
So kudos to you in this regard.
And I'm very excited about the roadmap of really tapping into all these industries that you mentioned,
like transport, defense, agriculture, insurance.
I think, you know, there are a lot of ways to capitalize on those.
But of course, from a business model perspective, you have to start somewhere like, you know, a bit more separately.
Like you have to, you know, go from one sector to another to not like spread out to thin.
from one sector to another to not like spread out to thin and then, you know, not being able to offer,
you know, your kind of like 100% to like the sectors that you want to tap into. So I'm just
curious, you know, which, you know, sector, whether that would be agriculture, agriculture,
or transfer, or whatever, you're prioritizing, where do you think, you know, maybe you can make
the most strides or the most revenue streams or kind of like build out like the
most um stations um and and that would help you like spearhead to the next stages and the next
sectors yeah great question yeah absolutely we know we know we're not overnight gonna suddenly
have high resolution coverage of the entire planet so but we are researching a lot of areas where we can focus,
like test pilot projects where, yeah,
we're already working with a kind of smart home sprinkler system wise.
But I think in terms of high level industry,
the financial services industry is always huge just because of the amount of money that is being now hedged on weather derivatives.
I mentioned commodity broking, especially, you know, areas of the world don't traditionally have a lot of data coverage.
You know, India, obviously huge agricultural powerhouse, the biggest cotton growing market in the world.
But if you're a trader on Wall Street,
obviously having better weather information is going to give you more confidence
in all your decisions.
So those two and then agriculture.
We can also, because we can, you know, we have the hardware element too, right?
We can also, because we can, you know, we have the hardware element too, right?
We can, we're talking to some, a very interesting non-profit in Africa that helps farmers,
educates farmers in Africa.
And, you know, we hope that we can get some very hyperlocal networks in and help not just
collect the data, but help them use the data interpret the data so yeah
agriculture is definitely going to be a huge huge area for us and i think actually it's just the um
yeah the weather industry itself right there's so many people working on these forecast ai models
that you know we can we can help them with making our data accessible to everybody.
There's a climate risk assessment.
There's a lot of companies building their own models so that you can research a house
you might buy and what is the long-term risk profile of purchasing or putting your life
savings into this property.
Is it going to be underwater in 15 years? That kind of stuff.
Oh, last one I'll mention. I did mention it.
Renewable energy. I'm talking to lots of people in the solar
and obviously offshore wind is going to be
a big area. And actually it's more the financial people. If you're a
financial company backing
solar installations whether it's commercial or residential um you know being able to have
confidence in the energy output is you know crucial for again understanding risk
yeah like i mean all these utilities are like very expensive and i think
i'm not sure if you're like already profitable so you can allow yourself to also go into
um like you mentioned like non-profits and the areas that really need to to become like
not just a profitable but also like a really positive player in the space but also like globally i think that would you know really change the face of
the the current kind of like projects and entities and enterprises like we have you know running
these things um and it can make a lot of better impact and i think your position very well to to
do yeah yeah no what because you can't, I know from my previous experience,
you can't give away stations, even if you have the money,
if you give somebody a weather station.
Traditionally, it's unlikely that it will ever be properly located.
It definitely won't be maintained because there's no motivation.
They haven't invested their own money.
But obviously, parts of the world where there's a lot of gaps in data
coverage may not have the means for regular people to buy the station but we're looking into
possible kind of syndication where again let's if you're trading cotton from wall street maybe
you would donate some money to get some local stations put into the cotton fields in India.
And then the people that we are given the stations
to maintain, they will share the rewards that
come from the deep end process.
Yeah, exactly.
No, thank you for your answers.
I really like your pitch and and you know your
thought process they're curious to look into um nubula more thanks guys cool thank you yeah
please do awesome thanks toby thanks for sharing with us and uh thank you guys yeah now it's uh
time for one more we have abo and i think we have jason up on stage with us uh welcome jason
still uh still two left so avo and then um did anybody else after oh yeah you're right i'm sorry uh correct correct correct jason is from datagram and then we have abo yeah you got it so uh okay
we'll go ahead with Jason first then
Okay, we can do that. Um, hey guys, how's everyone doing tonight or tonight for me? It's 2 a.m. Here in Hong Kong
11 a.m. Here on the West Coast and doing fantastic really brilliant
Anyway, my name is Jason. I'm gonna run you guys through a little bit about what Datagram is and what we do and why we do it.
I've been in the blockchain space for a long time here and I've run across quite a few of you before, over a decade of, you know, painful experience in the
space is that, you know, blockchain has a tendency to be very heavy on promises, very light on
delivery. You know, we're very much a hype driven industry. But, you know, I think the deep end is
one of the areas where we really can shine and we can really show the world sort of, you know, what we're all about. bring together idle resources from across the internet into a deep end infrastructure that
can serve and solve a lot of the problems that we are currently facing uh you know in in you know
deep end networks in general so some of the things that we're seeing right now especially if you
start looking at uh this is not going to name names here, but a lot of the deep end projects out there
have some issues with, you know, putting some supply before demand.
They have, you know, they aggregate resources or they sell, you know, sell miners or nodes
or whatever that don't actually have any real users.
The networks themselves are often, you know, vaporware or, vaporware or based around fundraising only.
The tokenomics surrounding them are, generally speaking, unsustainable. Things are fragmented.
There's very little standardization. Infrastructure goes to waste on the internet in general with up
to 60% of traditional internet resources basically sitting idle most of the time and this is across
compute storage and bandwidth and then you know obviously centralization itself and you know
traditional internet infrastructure has obviously its cost that that we we all pay, unfortunately, from time to time. So the solution is Datagram.
We're an AI-driven, interoperable, hyperfabric network
that dynamically aggregates and manages to redistribute idle resources.
So what you can imagine is you have devices surrounding you all the time.
I mean, these devices are things that range from your personal computers to other network devices, you know, servers, the whole gamut. They have idle resources in terms of
bandwidth, compute in terms of both CPU and GPU, and storage. All of these resources can be pooled together and aggregated in the Datagram network
where they can be made available to any sort of demand side applications, whether it be things
that are based on UDP for conferencing or TCP for games or any sort of data or storage, or honestly, pretty much
anything that you would use a centralized service for. Now, why would people do this? First, it's
significantly cheaper than centralized resources. Typically, we can save people between 70% to 90% on their centralized resource bills.
We're also able to scale quite effectively and quite locally, depending on what is required in a given area.
The network is designed to incentivize people in an area with high demand to deploy additional supply.
This results in, generally speaking, better performance, lower latency, and it is extremely
secure because every single connection that happens throughout the network is, excuse me,
I'm also sick, by the way, so forgive the terrible voice and occasional deathly cough. But the network itself is extremely secure with every connection throughout the network being basically considered a one-time-use VPN tunnel.
Obviously, there are a tremendous amount of utility for this and the market in general with rising requirements for data and infrastructure.
How it all works is you essentially have an enterprise and consumer application layer that then feeds down into the intelligent coordination layer.
that then feeds down into the intelligent coordination layer.
This is our AI driven layer
that's based on a decentralized system
that is aggregating all of these resources.
This is managed and controlled by node operators.
And then in addition to sort of your standard
full core node operators, we also have,
and this is one of the things that I think is really cool.
We have a partner core node operators
that are running what we call the Datagram core substrate.
Now, the reason the Datagram core substrate is important
is that there are tons and tons of deep end projects
out there that initially went live, they sold nodes.
They may have node networks that are deployed that are supposed to do things, but in many cases, again, back to that sort of vaporware point,
many of them don't actually deliver on that promise. Now, that may not be intentional,
they're not trying to rug or anything like that, But D-PIN is difficult. Decentralization is difficult. And
they may be focusing on something else, music, for example, or video games, and are not paying
attention to sort of the nuts and bolts of the D-PIN. So what we offer is we offer the ability
for projects to use the Datagram core substrate that deploys across their node network as well,
running in parallel with whatever their workload is.
You package up your workload on top of the core substrate.
We handle all of the uptime and usage tracking for you
throughout your network,
making it available for you to pull down via an API
so you can do your token distribution for rewards
wherever you want to do them.
It is chain agnostic in that regard.
And it allows you to focus on doing the thing that is important to you, which is the music of the video games, not necessarily the deep end part.
So we, through the creation of a series of standards, we make it possible for people to leverage their deep end networks and get the most out of it and help everyone
out in the process.
The cool thing about us is that we initially started as a spinoff of a backend of a commercially
successful Web2 company.
And after I, sort of historical digression, but after I left Gala about 10 months ago, I went and co-founded Datagram with Dr. William Nguyen, who's one of the most brilliant technologists I have ever met. have built this out and have over 1 million users right now,
most of which have no idea are using Web3.
And that's, you know, sort of the holy grail of onboarding.
And these, you know, run from, you know, companies like Heineken in Southeast
Asia and Forbes Vietnam, TEDx, you know, there's a few, uh, other academic and governmental, uh, tie-ins there
that are using primarily the UDP, uh, streaming component of what we've built. But, uh, there's,
yeah, there's a, there's a tremendous amount that's going on. Uh, we are currently, uh,
finishing out at where the very, very tail end of our raise here. And we are currently backed by Avalanche's Blizzard Fund and Animoca and Iskra and Amber and a number of other organizations and individuals who are prominent in the space.
And yeah, we are going to be moving forward to a node sale in May,
and then a TGE in July is our current timeline.
So that's what we've got.
So please let me know what questions I can answer for you.
Thanks, Jason.
Guys, all yours.
No, thank you for the pitches.
I think very interesting. so i was checking the
website the first thing that i thought was you guys are building some sort of like huddle zero
one kind of rtc communication for like google chrome google meet or zoom alternative but
after you talk it's much more than that right it's so much more than that my number one thing
that i have to do when i talk to people is they see that they're like oh huddle
one i'm like no no no no no no no no that was built no yeah that was built only as a tech demo
to demonstrate what we can do not as the product that's just i mean ultimately at the end of the
day i mean it's like aws is not zoom even though Zoom is based on AWS, that sort of thing.
No, exactly.
No, I completely got it once I heard you say that.
That's why that's my feedback.
Look at the website.
I thought it was like, okay, it's just like a web RTC kind of communication.
But it's a communication layer that you're building, right?
It's a lot more than just the communication layer it's the the the
communication coordination layer um you know down down to a basically everything above the hardware
itself uh up to delivery for the the application side um we focus, we focus primarily on a protocol to business to consumer pipeline, where our main focus is on helping businesses, uh, perform whatever they are required to do to serve their consumers better.
very strongly that, you know, basically trying to go from protocol to consumer is not going to work.
It's a recipe for disaster because there's just not enough individual consumers in the Web3 space
that care. What we need to do is we need to work directly with businesses and leverage them,
basically do what Amazon did. Amazon was never successful because Jeff Bezos wanted to sell books, right?
Amazon was successful because it provided infrastructure and a way for
other people to be successful.
This is what we're doing.
Nice.
Awesome.
And then the node sale is going to be like a software license, NFT that people
then deploy on some like node as a service or would you guys also think about running those nodes on people's homes or focus more on like data centers?
We actually aren't super interested in data centers.
I mean, they're obviously a part of things.
They're part of the industry.
They're part of the industry.
There's, you know, no way you can get around them.
But the way that the nodes are actually configured, there's this concept that I put together when I was at Gala called the entrepreneurial metagame.
And basically, it's the recognition that the people who own the hardware versus the one who own the license versus the one who play the games or own the NFTs. These are all separate groups of people with different interests and requirements. What we want to do is we want to
enable the people who own the software licenses to look at the best place to deploy that license
based on where the actual demand is. And this does two things. The first is if there's an area where there is higher demand,
you're incentivized to make sure that you deploy there.
So, you know, if we have a lot of connections
in Los Angeles, for example,
then people will be able to see that on the heat map
and say, okay, well, I can leverage this by, you know,
asking my mom to run this on her computer
because she lives in LA, that sort of thing.
On the other hand, what it does is it also makes you look at this from the perspective of, okay, well, here I am.
I'm in Minot, North Dakota.
There's nobody else near me.
I run a node.
I'm incentivized now to tell everyone to use this as a service, get local businesses on board using it, because now suddenly all of that traffic is going to be passing through the endpoint with the least latency, which is going to be my node. Therefore, I generate additional revenue because of that.
So you can run it on damn near anything, man.
The nice thing about this is it can run on a lot of different types of architecture.
In fact, I want to talk to the Nubila guys because I'd love to get this stuff on their weather stations as well.
Because it'd be great to have on-chain up time for everybody there.
And then also it would help make our network more robust.
But you could run it on a router.
You could run it on your smart fridge if you had the technical wherewithal to do that.
It's pretty cool.
Nice.
Guys, Jason, thank you for that.
And Daniel, thank you.
Let's do one more question.
But I want to be mindful of time because we also have another project we're a little bit late uh so jason if you want to take
maybe one more question a couple of minutes max and then we go to avro thank you
uh i mean if anybody feels like it leonarda or i don't see uh i don't see scott so maybe you have
to go so i don't know if leonarda see Scott. So maybe you had to go.
So I don't know if you guys have a question.
Otherwise we,
we move on.
Yeah.
Scott had to go.
Okay.
Good from my side.
Yeah.
I mean,
maybe quickly from my side,
I've been talking,
you know,
especially in the last year with quite a few like latency and like
streaming focus, like businesses and
projects and I'm curious you know what's your take on the competitive landscape because of course
there are a lot of like projects kind of doing the similar thing maybe on like a lesser scale
maybe they're newer so what are you most afraid of like with competitors and and how do you think
you stand out like is it like the scale
is it the expertise is it the network yeah curious about that no i mean from a from an experiential
perspective i think that we stand out uh we clearly uh head and shoulders above a lot of the the the
quote-unquote competition the the interesting thing about this though, is I don't necessarily see us as being competitors
to everything in the space.
Ultimately what works best is if all of these
different projects come together and aggregate resources.
We're the only project out there that provides a way for people to do that.
So let's say you have, you know,
let's use Huddle 01, for example.
There's nothing that says that they can't integrate
the Datagram substrate, continue to use their service,
help us expand our network at the same time.
And at the same time, as they do that, as they expand our network through the use of the substrate, we make their network more efficient because now there's more available
connections across the entire thing.
This works better if we all work together.
I'm not particularly worried about any type of competition.
I think that from a technical level, we've got everything that we need, and we're not siloed.
A lot of the other projects out there are doing one thing, like they're doing storage, or they're doing just real-time communication, or know, GPU compute or something like that. I think we've,
we've got sort of the whole package and we can make everybody's project more
robust. And that's, that's what we're here to do.
Yeah. I think that's a great answer.
Cause I think primarily your aggregation point is what drives you like
further. I think, you know, how one inch kind of like manifest,
manifested the value of aggregators.
We see that like being implemented in like different verticals,
different like business models, et cetera.
And I do agree that like, we don't have like as kind of
cohesive maybe models so far,
at least like not with the projects that i've spoke to i have spoken
to so yeah i think that's definitely your strong suit nice thank you thank you for your answers
thank you guys awesome thank you very much jason uh thanks a lot for the question uh let's uh let's
go to yeah last project for today finally last but not least abobo. Hi, everyone. Great to be here. Thanks for having me. Yeah, happy to just
get started. So in terms of Abo, we are a marketplace for crypto trading agents. So big
problem if anyone's ever traded a meme before or been in the trenches is simply there's rug pulls
everywhere, there's scams, there's honeypots, and there's just so many different issues with the
space when it comes to meme trading. And eventually, even if you dodge all of these different bullets,
you realize it's an insider game at the end of the day. And so if you don't have the ticker before
other people, it's hard to win in the space. There are some fundamentals, but that's oftentimes
with larger market cap coins, most people of which are trading earlier on.
The beautiful thing about the market right now is that there's really brilliant teams that are coming out that are creating trading agents that let you actually trade on autopilot.
And the beautiful thing about these teams is that they're actually taking into account how to make sure you're not falling into rugs, honeypots or other scams.
Make sure you're not falling into rugs, honeypots, or other scams.
So I wouldn't be surprised in the future if everyone was using a trading agent to trade for them,
and they weren't in the trenches like they are today.
Now, the beautiful thing with Avvo is that we aggregate all these trading agents.
Right now, you have to find out about them through CT or hope that you have a friend that tells you about them.
But there's going to be hundreds, if not thousands, that come out in the coming next months, the next full. It's happening. I think everyone knows a
project that's building something along these lines. And so what Avvo does is we basically
aggregate all these agents. Not only do we do that, so it's easy for you to find the ones that
you want to use and launch, but you can also put custom protections on top of that. So we have three different protections you can pick from. If you really want to feel like you're
still in the trenches, you can use a DGEN custom protection label, and that lets you have the
safest or not the safest, the most risky of trading when it comes to these agents versus
you can do something that's safe, similar to an ETF, very large market cap coins.
You're never going to be early, but you're never again going to get rigged again.
So that's what we're building on a high level.
We're working with teams right now where they can list on Avvo and get 50% of commission fees.
Users can go to Avvo and they can use these agents to follow these agents.
Simple.
That's how it works.
Now, there's three things that make Avvo really
cool. The first of which I already talked about, which was the idea that you can pick which trader
type you want to be, and that has different safeguards. Many of these are risk-adjusted
agents, which means that they're safer than if you aped into these agents yourself if you found
them on different platforms. The second thing is that they're backtested, which means you can see the performance of these agents over time. Most of the times when you go to an app and you're
either following a KOL or you're looking at an agent, what you're going to see is balance over
time. What that means is you're seeing if someone put in a bunch of money, they deposited a bunch
of money, it looks like their performance went up when it actually didn't. They just added money
to an agent or a wallet. What we do is we actually take these fluctuations into account so you can
actually appropriate what the performance has been over time. There's no other app that lets you do
this currently. And then finally, we provide a recommendation. So we're AI at its core, which
means over time, as you use Avvo more, we can start to understand what type of agents you like and start to recommend personal agents for you and even build them based off of
when you buy, when you sell and what type of agents that you're using. So on a holistic level,
it's a marketplace where you can find these trading agents. We've already launched,
we're in a closed beta right now with about 100 users, but we have thousands on our wait list
that we're slowly letting
in throughout the months so that we can iterate on the product before we do an official launch.
We're VC backed. And yeah, we've been building for about a year now and it's been really,
really exciting. I'll leave it there for any questions.
Sweet. Thanks, Abo, for pitching that Leonardo Aaron
or Daniel anything from you guys
I think it's really cool
I'm not so much into the
trading agents
I won't pitch in too much
what kind of behind the
what kind of technologies are you guys building behind
closed doors let's say, to build this?
Yes.
So we are actually going to be one of the first projects out there that are actually not a dev tool that is taking advantage of the MPC layer.
And the way that we're able to do that is that these agents, there's going to be agents that are basically LLM models that are using sentiment data to do trades or find
signals.
When they find a signal, they're going to go to this server where it's like, hey, we found
a signal.
Make sure that all the agents that are using this one agent can now execute.
And so we're going to have execution agents as well.
So there's very much a complex three process AI layer that we've implemented, which makes it very secure.
But it also means that we're actually using AI, unlike a lot of projects that are trying to get
into the space that aren't right now. We've built our entire infrastructure around that future
technology. So that's what we're doing on the back end. Nice. Yeah, I love the use of MPCs.
Do you, are you running your own infrastructure or just like plug in chat GPT or
like deep seek or other API,
like bigger models?
It's a mix of both.
So some of them are going to be our own models.
Most of them are going to be preexisting models like deep seek,
like GPT.
And then we're also working with teams that are creating their own
models or using whatever they think is best fit.
So it would be up for them to choose there.
Nice. Thank you.
Of course.
Yeah, I mean, the AI agent landscape is really cramped right now, of course.
And again, I'm very excited about the aggregator models of any type of any sector.
So I'm curious, you know, again,
to hear kind of like your perspective on, you know,
who do you see as competitors and who do you see as integrators?
Like, I know you might like also say like,
oh, we can kind of like work with anybody
because we can offer specific incentives to like build with us
and offer like you know certain
deals to users to you know kind of incentivize like using that through your platform but like
what's your like I guess end goal here do you want to aggregate every kind of like reliable or like more successful AI agent, like within, within AVO or, or yeah,
is there something else in like the kind of like timeline there that you are like focusing on?
Yeah, that's a great question. To your first point, you're completely right. Basically,
anyone that we thought was a competitor ended up being a partner. So that's the great thing about
crypto is there's not really any competitors and you can almost always find a way to work with everyone.
So we thought it would be Arkham. Turns out we can just use their data for signals because they're
not going necessarily into the aggregation industry of agents, but they provide signals
for us to build our own agents, which has been really great. So a lot of people that we thought
would have been competitors have actually just been able to either list on Avvo or provide
additional infrastructure for us to build our agents on.
So that's been great on that end currently.
And then the second thing I would say, and there's no real aggregators, I would also say, that have come out yet at least.
So there's not been any competition there on that end.
But I'm sure even if that did happen, there's ways to work together.
But I'm sure even if that did happen, there's ways to work together.
On the other end of it, of what the end goal is, we think that in the future, instead of people trading memes or trading coins or even in traditional TradFi trading stocks, everyone's going to be using an agent.
It's almost like a personal advisor that everyone has access to at any given time.
So the end goal is for Avvo to be the way that people trade.
Right now, it's still maybe going on pump fund and trading memes, but
we think in the future, most people don't want to be in the trenches. They don't want to stare at a
chart for 40 hours a day in their mom's basement. Most people want to touch grass. And we think that
is actually going to happen. And Nava is going to be a big push in making that happen.
Yeah, that makes sense. And of course, like with a partnership roadmap there, you can tap into a lot of different opportunities and, you know, enable new revenue streams, enable new pivoting strategies. So that's something, you know, for a project that enables a longer term, a longer term, like kind of existence overall.
So yeah, that's all from my side.
Thanks for great answers.
Awesome.
Yeah, just wondering, Ange,
where are you guys in the funding process right now?
Yeah, so we've raised $225K from different VCs and angels.
We might raise another round in the future,
maybe depending on how everything goes. But for now, yeah, we've just been locking
in and really iterating on the product. Love it. I'm not sure if you guys saw during our
episode here, but some stuff happened related to tariffs. It sounds like the tariffs are going to
be delayed. So everything's kind of pumping right now. So I think I'm going to be jumping into the
trenches or am I able to use AVO right now?
Can you give us some idea of like where you guys are in the process of actually launching?
Yes.
So anybody that's on the call will actually give you exclusive access to our beta.
So the only thing that you need to have access to the platform is that we need to whitelist some sort of wallet address.
So if you just DM me a wallet address you want to use, I'll add you right to the platform and you can be in the trenches today.
Let's go.
Wow.
Which chain do you guys work with?
Right now we're only on Solana. In the future we're trying to do Hyperliquid, really be
chain agnostic.
Awesome. Sweet. Well, I will thank you very much. Thanks everybody here. Thank you to all the speakers. I don't know if maybe Aaron had like some final thoughts, but otherwise, I think we're ready to wrap this up. It was quite awesome. time uh definitely a full hour and a half there so that was great um amazing projects again and
can't wait to invite some of you back for the next round yeah it's pretty crazy like every week we
like you know talk after this and we're like wow these projects are so good we want them all so
um it makes our life a little bit harder but we will come up with the final selection for the next round
next by next week and then obviously we share on our socials so feel free to follow aaron myself
and itex main account obviously and also for everybody that's here on stage just give these
guys a follow especially for the people that came to pitch because as i say i take some guts to do
it in front of a ton of strangers especially when you don't really see the people that came to pitch because as i say i take some guts to do it in front of a ton of
strangers especially when you don't really see the people that you're talking to uh and so thank you
for that and thank obviously for all the uh your time you know uh judges uh come here share your
insights share your experience with us so it's very valuable and i hope that you guys uh want
to come back and do this with us uh daniel and yeah Scott has been back already. We like having him over
Yeah, man, absolutely anytime
How to me nice awesome sweet. Thank you.
