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DARK: X Space v1.1
Recorded: April 20, 2025 Duration: 1:28:10Space Recording
Short Summary
Dark is launching as a new player in the crypto space, focusing on AI infrastructure and innovative gaming experiences. The project aims to create a vibrant ecosystem for developers and users, leveraging strategic partnerships and a unique token model to drive growth and engagement.
Full Transcription
Music Thank you. Music all right we're back my hands are nowhere near the end button. We're Gucci.
All right, cool. So I see some speaker requests already. I'm going to approve them. Let's do this.
I'll give you guys a quick intro. I'll set the stage one more time for how this Twitter space is going to
go, and then I'll approve a couple speaker requests. My initial plan was to do an AMA
towards the end of this space, but I think we can probably do it intermittently if that's
interesting enough to people. So yeah, get your requests up there. I'll get them done in order.
in order. Awesome. So for those that don't know, my name's Edgar. I'm the founder of Dark.
I've been an entrepreneur for about five or six years now. Had a couple of successful exits.
I've primarily built, everything I've built has been in technology. I've kind of
lived in between finance and tech. Started my career in high finance as a quant at Goldman Sachs
way back when. Pre-entrepreneurship, lived as a cog in that machine for a couple of years.
Pre-entrepreneurship, lived as a cog in that machine for a network for that, or I guess powered what
used to be Uber's, now is Lime because they sold it off, but kind of irrelevant.
After that, became an entrepreneur more properly right around COVID.
Started a logistics software company built for Mid- Enterprise, sold that in 2021 and found my
way to crypto.
I'd actually explored crypto a little bit in 2017, 2018, had started developing on Ethereum,
had started playing around with it, but found Ethereum to be severely lacking in performance.
Right. At the time, the idea was that people would fix it. Oh, you know, Ethereum slow right now.
It's 2017, 2018. It'll be faster later. Obviously, that never really came to be.
later. Obviously, that never really came to be. In 2021, when I was coming off of my logistics
software company and looking for something new, I found Solana through a friend. And the pitch that
I got kind of hit the nail on the head for what I had always been looking for with crypto,
right?
It was, hey, Solana's fast, Solana's cheap, you can build a lot on it.
And I was pretty hooked from there.
You know, spend my first few months in Solana building across a myriad of projects. Did some stuff in the NFT space with Candy Machine V1,
back when Metaplex was really just getting up and running. And then found my way to DeFi.
Started a lending protocol on Solana called MarginFi. Ran that for a couple years, built a prop trading firm alongside that called Margin
Research that, you know, traded across crypto and then built alongside that a developer community called Mountain Dow. So I've always been someone who likes to do a lot,
likes to kind of have my fingers in different pies. I found that in crypto, it's really powerful
to be strategically involved with different projects because you get to know people in space very quickly.
And this is a super, super interconnected industry, right?
Knowing the right people helps you develop the right partnerships,
helps you get early access to the right tech,
helps you get your questions answered faster in an industry with so much niche stuff.
And so, you know, kind of spent a couple of years in DeFi, a couple of years building
MountainDAO, which I still work on, left MountainDAO, left margin in 2024. So it's been a little over a year, actually. It's funny, poetically, the dark
journey kind of came around for me right around when my one year anniversary of leaving Margin
was coming along. So, you know, that was kind of a very pretty story. Since leaving Margin, I've been working on MountainDAO,
which has grown into the highest density community of top tier talent,
I think, that exists in Solana.
MountainDAO hosts a developer summit twice a year.
For those that don't know, haven't been, it happens in Salt Lake
City. It goes on for a month, twice a year. And the best builders, the best devs that Solana has
ever seen show up every six months like clockwork. And so it's a great place to meet people.
We've had, you know, any team you're thinking about that has been prominent in the Solana ecosystem
has come through Mountain Dow.
Many of them have sponsored Mountain Dow.
Many of the prominent investors in the space
have been involved.
It's been a really, really great opportunity
to really get into the center of things.
And then I've been working on infrastructure.
A project called Paladine, which is focused on transaction inclusion, which is a big problem with Solana.
The whole time I've kind of been searching for what I wanted to be my next major focus, my next major company,
and was thinking a lot about AI. I come from a machine learning background originally.
I've spent a lot of time over a decade following AI's trajectory from its deep learning days in the mid-2010s to
this kind of explosion of natural language processing power that has been the foundation
of AI as we know it today. Everything that LLMs do, everything OpenAI does, everything Anthropic does, everything is based off of this wave of natural language progress that we've seen.
And so I was really thinking about it a lot, wanted to work on it again, was watching what this space now calls kind of the AI agent 1.0, right?
Was watching Eliza, was watching ARK, right?
Was watching AXPT, XeroBrow, like all these kind of major projects kind of pop up.
major projects kind of pop up and was thinking a lot about, you know, where to enter, what the
next steps were. My mind was primarily on swarms, right? I think teams of AI agents are a really
powerful proposition. I like to say that, like, the most powerful opportunities are the ones that sound the
simplest. I think teams of AI agents make a lot of sense because teams of people can
get more done than individual people, right? And so why not set up AI teams. The problem that I recognized, and this kind of led me to dark, was that teams
of AI agents had a hard time existing because the infrastructure for them to do so wasn't there,
right? It was a huge, huge DevOps problem. And that's, I think, why you've seen,
DevOps problem. And that's, I think, why you've seen, you know, like, Eliza, for example, right?
Eliza OS, all respect to that project. But I think we saw the initial agent framework spin up really
fast. And then a struggle for these agents to scale, right? A struggle for these agents to turn into teams of agents, right?
Teams of ELISAs.
And I think that fundamentally comes down to an infrastructure problem, right?
So, you know, kind of getting into dark and how it started,
here I am thinking about AI infrastructure,
I am thinking about AI infrastructure, building some experimental stuff, kind of slowly bringing it to light as I'm thinking about how to launch my next thing.
And an old test token that I was playing around with on, you know, PumpFun gets found by the internet, right?
And if you guys were, you know, were here for the very early days of Dark, which was a whopping
two weeks ago, you'll kind of remember that, right? And, you know, I had this interesting kind of opportunity when Dart got found to make a decision as to whether I was
going to, you know, do the thing that most people do and say, hey, you know, this is a test token,
like I'm not doing anything with it. It's not affiliated with anything. Let's go ahead and
drop it. You can call it a meme if you want to, right? And kind of move on or try to do something properly breakthrough, right?
And what I think is really powerful about Dark and the way that it was found, everything
about its beginning, is that Dark benefited from instant virality on launch, right?
And that is a really, really powerful distribution proposition.
In today's world, there's a shit ton of stuff going on on the internet.
And the hardest thing is to keep track of what's happening, right?
As a builder, the hardest thing is to get attention.
You're working on something, you know,
I've built it, like, when will the users come?
When will the community come?
How do I do these things, right?
And, you know, all of a sudden I was looking at this,
you know, this happenstance, uh, collection of kind of events that have solved
a lot of these like initial pieces for me. Right. And I said to myself, you know, I think it'd be
irresponsible of me not to do something with it. Right. Uh, but then the question became what? Right. And is there something that is meaningful that I can do, you know, with what's happened, turn it into a real project? How do you kind of blend these worlds? Right. You've gotten attention, you've gotten distribution. How do you pair that with product?
product. And, you know, kind of the beautiful thing about, you know, all of this is that I was
already working on AI infrastructure. And I said, hey, like, what if there's a way for me to integrate
dark the token into my work, into the product over time? You know, what if we can intertwine these things?
So what's been going on the past two weeks has really been the beginning of that.
We've established Dark's brand.
We've established Dark's initial workflows to capture community, to collect community, to capture initial users,
right? I can talk about dark games that's coming out in the next few days and how I'm thinking
about kind of those early steps towards usage. And then lay the foundation for the longer term
plans, the things that are going to take, you know, more than a couple days,
right? Building out the model context protocol infrastructure, the AI infrastructure that I
think will take AI agents to the next level, partnering with the right teams in Solana,
you know, to help them ship their, you know, MCP servers to add functionality to agents so that agents can
interact with their protocols and to build pipeline outside of crypto, right? I think
something that, you know, Dark right now obviously has the crypto zeitgeist, But the reality is that the AI infrastructure that Dark is building is not
exclusive to crypto. And this is super, super powerful because once our infrastructure products
start capturing revenue, we're talking about an address market that is the entirety of everything
that's happening in AI and not just crypto, not just Solana, right?
But obviously built, integrating Solana technology in the right ways.
And so I think, you know, I think that that creates like a really powerful, you know,
set of momentum.
So I'll kind of pause there. That's kind of the general overview. Um, I'll let a couple people up for, uh, for questions,
maybe to help us direct the conversation. Um, but hoping to kind of talk more tangibly about
some of the most recent things that we've been working on in dark and what I see coming up for
the next few weeks. So Mr. A, you were first, so I'm going to go ahead and let you up. um
looks like mr a is stuck connecting what we'll do uh kevin i'll go ahead and let you up see if you have a
better connection and can get up here faster and then we can uh put it back to mr a when
he's got his internet figured out cool cool
yo can you hear me hey i can hear you can you hear us yeah of course man i'm glad to finally speak
with you um yeah just for everybody on the spaces kevin've worked, you know, about like 10 years in traditional tech,
worked at companies like Yahoo and Meta.
And, you know, overall, Edgar, you know, as I've expressed so many times on the timeline,
really, really impressed by like, you know, not only what you're aiming to do with Dark,
but just kind of how you've carried yourself and, you know, overall, like
push this like building out in the open for this project.
Because, you know, in crypto, for anybody who's kind of like, you know, been in the
trenches or just people who kind of passively, you know, want to build or be in crypto, it's
kind of like, well, when's the next update?
Or, you know, what's the team actually
planning? And it's all speculation. However, you know, your transparency has kind of brought
something new. Myself, I've kind of, you know, messed around in crypto, built things or just,
you know, traded or, you know, participated in groups for around like five years now.
But, you know, I just want to say, like, I think this is really good. The main question I do have for you is, you know, when you,
your vision for dark in terms of, you know, I think I saw in one of your posts earlier about
like real money earned for holders or, you know, people within the dark universe. I think, you know, overall from like all
your different kind of posts, putting them together, it's like dark will be a game that,
you know, people can kind of bring real money into that universe. And then it'll, it may
potentially benefit all dark holders in some kind of way. And I was just wondering if you can give like any kind of initial thoughts on
that or like any,
maybe a bit more explanation of what your vision is for that.
Yeah, totally. That's a great question.
And appreciate the kind words, man. I mean, I think I,
I will answer your question directly. I'll say that, like, I think the transparency piece in crypto for builders is a really fascinating one.
It's a really difficult one.
One, because, you know, I like to say that crypto, it gives a lot of transparency into humanity overall right and that means
that there's a lot of bad that comes with the good. I think we've seen this fascinating kind of
the bad actors in the space have created behaviors and expectations from the audience,
from observers, community members, that have made it more difficult for good actors to build in the
space and be transparent, right? There know, there's a lot of expectations
that come with building a project like this
that comes out of the trenches
or that's found on a platform like PumpFun, right?
If we're going to get more tangible
where there's like a lot of consumers,
there's a lot of speculation.
And frankly, a lot of those pieces, right?
A lot of the experience of launching a token on something like PumpFun makes it really unattractive for, you know, really great builders that I know to build that way.
And so, you know, I think there's some really interesting pieces we can kind of explore there if it's interesting.
But I'll come back to your immediate question, which is, what the vision is for DARK?
How do we think about monetization?
So you'll notice that when I introduce DARK, I primarily talk about AI infrastructure.
And specifically, what we're focusing on is MCP infrastructure.
Now let's break that down because I just said a bunch of acronyms, right?
MCP stands for Model Context Protocol.
It's a framework that was introduced by Anthropic, right?
One of the leading AI companies in the world now
that built Claude.
It's a framework that was introduced
to help developers build tools in the world now that build Claude. It's a framework that was introduced
to help developers build tools for AI agents.
So the idea is you can have an AI agent, say like Eliza,
and instead of Eliza having to build
every new functionality that Eliza wants, that Eliza 1.0 wants, she
has to add into her code base.
So hey, if she wants to tweet, that needs to get integrated into Eliza's code base.
Hey, if she wants to search the internet and learn more off the web, that's got to be directly integrated.
All of the 250 things you can probably rattle off if you were brainstorming that you'd want an agent to do before MCP, agents would have to integrate directly into their code bases.
agents would have to integrate directly into their code bases. The analogy that I make
is it would be as if instead of living in towns and cities like we do today as people,
we were carrying absolutely everything that we needed to exist on our backs, right? Everything we needed to grow
our food, everything we needed to, you know, house, have shelter, everything we needed to
have office space, right? Imagine, like, think about throughout your day, all of the infrastructure
in the real world that you're using that was built by somebody else,
right? Model context protocols allow developers to build infrastructure for AI agents so that AI
agents don't have to carry their whole existence on their backs, right? And that means that,
you know, when Eliza wants to search the internet,
right, she doesn't have to build that into her own code base. She can go to fire crawl, right?
And that means that it creates a business opportunity on the other end, right? That,
you know, developers that are like, hey, we're really good at scraping the internet, we think we can build something called Firecrawl, right, which if you guys aren't familiar with is
the leading, you know, web scraping tool for agents, it's a great way to make them smarter,
it's a great way to get to, you know, get them to know about news, right, that's going on in real
time. Those developers might be thinking, hey, like, we're really good at building these
tools. We kind of don't want to do anything else. You know, model context protocol, the framework
gives those developers an opportunity to build a business out of this tooling that they're good at,
right? So the analogy there is like, you know, if you're walking down the street through the town, somebody owns a coffee shop and their business is coffee.
Right. They're really good at coffee. They love coffee. They, you know, wake up every day.
They're making coffee for everybody. You, the agent. Right. You just walk in and get coffee.
You don't need to carry all of the coffee beans on your back. right? You don't need to carry the coffee maker on your back. You don't need to know how coffee
is even made. All you need to know is you can come into the coffee shop and you can buy a coffee,
right? So that's really, really powerful. And that AI infrastructure is really what underlies dark, right? I want to make it easier for people
to ship model context protocol servers, ship these tools, host them, and monetize off of them,
right? I want to make it easier for people to build their coffee shops, serve their coffee,
their coffee shops, serve their coffee, build healthy businesses off of that. We can dive into
that in a bit if we want to, but I want to compare this to the dark games universe that we're
shipping right now, right? Because on the surface, it might seem that all of this AI infrastructure that I just talked about is not super related to this gaming universe that we're talking about on Twitter every day today, right?
how to go about shipping dark and thinking about the right way to like build up this AI infrastructure,
right? We came across a problem that, you know, every, pretty much every startup that ever gets
up and running deals with. There's a cold start problem, right? You have an idea to build something and you go,
hey, you know, I can build this infrastructure. I just need to sell a couple, you know, teams on
using it. The big question is, how are you going to sell teams on using it? And the answer,
the naive answer is that it usually takes a really long time to get teams, to get developers,
to start using your technology, right? In crypto in particular, you can fast track that kind of
adoption by building a bigger community, capturing more attention and growing your overall distribution. And this is something that
I think like is very unique to crypto and is frankly like fairly unprecedented. I think this
has only come around in the last couple of years. Crypto is the only industry where everybody in the industry is a consumer, regardless of whether you are a straight up,
like you're just using apps in the space, regardless of whether you're a developer who's
like working on their own companies or their own projects, right? Or regardless if you're,
you know, an employee at like a big company, right, like Coinbase or I don't know, take your pick.
Right. Everybody across that entire landscape goes on Twitter every day and checks out what's interesting.
And that means that if you want to bootstrap distribution,
right, building for consumers is incredibly important.
So the way that we got to Dark Games was thinking about,
okay, we are on this path to build AI infrastructure,
but the average person is not going to resonate
with AI infrastructure immediately, right? And frankly, like most people are not going to resonate with AI infrastructure immediately, right? And frankly,
like most people are not going to use AI infrastructure directly, right? That's going
to be for developers who are building these agents and then users will interact with these agents
downstream. So how do we build community around this? How do we capture attention? And how do we grow
within this ecosystem of projects that we want to work with? And the answer that we got to
was a game, right? We felt that the game that we're building now did a really good job of highlighting, one, capturing attention with
consumers, giving people an opportunity to play with something that Dark made, to experience it,
to win money from it, to lose money from it, right? For money to start, you know, revolving in the dark ecosystem,
for dark to become a revenue generating product. And for this game to highlight the kind of core
of the power of MCP servers, right? The tools that, you know, we're thinking about that we're building towards,
right? By shipping a game that is played by agents, by starting to make these agents smarter,
more powerful, right? And third, finally, and very importantly, it opens up a landscape of partnership opportunities, right?
A game that is played by agents and eventually played by multiple agents, right?
Means a game that can be played by different companies who are building their own agents,
right?
And it can become a platform for those agents to compete against
each other. It can become a platform for those companies to get more distribution, to grow
awareness about what they're doing, right? I mean, just in the last couple days as we've had
conversations around like, hey, who's doing what around AI. I'm learning about new projects every
few hours, right? And that's just within Solana. And that just highlights that like there's a huge
opportunity to like, you know, build something where these projects are coming together,
they're highlighting themselves, the best ones are getting attention, the best ones are growing
community. I think it would be really, really powerful
to do that on Dark, right?
So, you know, in the midst of this longer
AI infrastructure journey,
we came to this consumer play and said,
hey, we can really start, you know,
building out an experience that consumers can interact with
and grow our partnership base and our awareness base from that, right?
To touch on your final point, Kevin, the monetization piece I think is, like, frankly,
more straightforward. I think you can always choose not to monetize a product, right? We
could always build a game that doesn't have any kind of financialization in it, right? We could always build a game that doesn't have any kind of financialization
in it, right? That's just less fun. It's less engaging. I think that a game with monetization
is incredibly powerful in an industry like crypto that is very financialized, right?
industry like crypto that is very financialized, right? I want the pitch to be, hey, you play
Dark's game and you win, you win money, right? If you lose, you lose money, right? It gives you
another dimension to satisfy that speculative feeling that brings a lot of us to platforms
like PumpFun, right? I think that's great right um i
think there's really interesting game theory you could build into experiences like this um you could
incentivize people to spend a lot of time getting really uh knowledgeable about darks in the universe
you could incentivize people to build teams right call up their buddies and be like yo
if y'all want to make some money with me, this is a killer game.
I think we can beat everybody else, right?
I think we can grind in front of the computer harder than everybody else.
And here's another opportunity for us to prove it, right?
I just think that stuff is, like, more fun, more engaging.
And it starts bringing money into Dark, right? Because this project,
like any other project, would benefit from revenue and benefit from more money in the bank.
And so I think there's value there. So yeah, that's kind of an overview of how the long-term
AI infrastructure vision coincides with this Dark games play that we're on right now
and how I'm thinking about the value of monetization.
I'll pause there.
Yeah, no, thank you so much, especially for,
I mean, honestly, the very extensive view into all of that.
I think the main thing for quite a few people, you know, I think I'm, I understand
quite a bit of the technical aspect as well as the advertising and marketing, but I understand that
there are people who might not, you know, and to translate to what I think I see a lot of what
people try to, or what people stick to a lot on like CT, crypto Twitter is like, you know, there will be outside or there's
an opportunity for like outside money to come into the dark ecosystem. And, you know, I think
the main thing I've been mainly excited about is that, you know, it's just an overall opportunity
for a boom to the overall Solana space or the overall crypto space really, because there's not a lot of builders who are trying to make tools or trying to
make infrastructure and opportunity to bring people from outside in,
you know, a lot of the tools, especially from like the AI meta in crypto,
you know, that happened late last year is just like, oh, you know,
these are like tools that people can use in crypto
or these are like trading tools that you know a lot of normally normal people they're not gonna
really understand that crap like when they first get in you know it's you know for the game that
you guys are developing it is you know something that is more of an additive for the entire space
so you know overall like your explain explanation of all that you know it's it's more of an additive for the entire space. So overall, like your explanation of all that,
it's really helped me a lot.
And I just kind of want to advocate,
especially for you guys that, yeah,
I think this is a great project
and I'm definitely excited to continue to support.
I think one thing maybe from the monetization part
is that directly you know, directly like, you know, holding dark, holding the dark token.
And, you know, that that part is like, you know, what what are the potential ideas you think could come from that?
You know, I know that we've spoken before about like the fractionalization of like the token within the ecosystem and keeping
that you know i just wonder if you could maybe expand on that a bit more um and that's really
just like my final question yeah totally man i mean i think the straightforward answer here is
very simple but it's very abstract right, there's nothing keeping us from the entire
landscape of opportunity here, right? Like, we can do anything with it. Now, again, like,
that's very abstract, right? But it is a reality, and I think it's a reality that's worth
addressing, right? A project that is brand new, two weeks in,
that has been bootstrapped,
not controlled or influenced by investors
or pressured by exchanges with listing deals
or anything like that, right?
Has a ton of flexibility.
And the power that I think lies within that flexibility
is that we as a community can talk about what we want to see
and we can do our best to make it happen.
Like, that's my plan, right?
I go on Twitter every day and I go, hey, what do you guys want? Do you guys want this? Do you guys not want this? Right. And like,
I have been, you know, I've learned this through my years as an entrepreneur and, um, you know,
every single book you read from great entrepreneurs tells you the same thing. And yet it happens so rarely
in startups. Like my ideas basically don't matter at all. Right. Like I bring, uh, expertise
and hopefully like really big years, right. And do a good job listening to what you guys want. And ideally,
build you what you want. And then we win, right? If y'all don't want dark games,
if y'all aren't excited to play it, if y'all don't want to win money from it,
if y'all don't want other people to lose money so you can take their money,
let's not build it. Like I'll
kill it tomorrow. Right. I have no concerns because at the end of the day, you know, what I want to
do is I want to build you guys what you want right now. Again, that's very abstract, right? I think
more tangibly, it's a process of iteratively building, iteratively listening, iteratively incorporating feedback,
and that's how we'll get to our final product.
In terms of what dark holders can expect, right?
I am very interested in the class of company-backed or company-affiliated tokens, right?
I think that a token is a great distribution tool.
We've seen a lot of tokens go a lot of different ways.
A lot of people have spent time focusing on tokens as tools towards like decentralized governance.
And I think we've seen, you know, a lot of those tokens go to zero.
A lot of those DAOs see velocity go to zero.
You know, I think there's a whole host of questions around tokens.
I think tokens are most effective as distribution tools that help grow awareness,
help get people involved in conversation.
After that, you can pair product, you know, from a company, from an organization, frankly,
from a purely independent organization if you wanted to, right?
Any company can come in and decide to integrate Dark into anything.
They just need the right incentives, right?
Which means that as we build Dark infrastructure, right,
and we sell to developers,
we can evaluate Dark as a distribution tool
and find the right way to make sure
that that distribution tool continues to be valuable to us, right?
And obviously, I think that means like healthy token life cycles.
It means healthy holder bases, healthy holder experiences, right?
And everything that comes with that.
So I think we're very early in exploring how Dark will actually be integrated.
And I'm happy to be very candid about that, right?
And I think that's why you see conversation on Twitter.
Like, if you see me go like, hey, this might be interesting or this might be interesting.
Like, what do you guys think?
What do you guys think?
Like, yeah, we can, you know, tokenize every single planet inside of the Dark Universe and start playing, start creating like new liquidity games inside of the dark universe
right while keeping all of that uh you know under the dark umbrella and not launching as
shitters on pump fun that eventually go to zero but actually compounding value to all dark holders
we could do that right if there's enough interest um And so I think that makes it really important. Like, if you see dark conversation that you're excited about, you're like, hey, I want to see this,
like, drop a comment, you know, hit the like button. I read every single one, right?
And if you are not seeing something that you want to see happen, bring that up, right? Get my
attention, find the right way to do it uh because i think
at the end of the day like this is the beautiful power of the internet right i've met like 0.1
percent of you irl and maybe that's the way that it'll always be um but we're here and we're working
on something together and i think that's really cool. So yeah, kind of a high level overview and a little bit more tangible about like some
of the ways that I'm, that I'm thinking about things as a product evolves.
Yeah. Thank you so much for that, man. That's, you know,
really appreciate it. And, you know, just as always, it's like,
it's pretty transparent and just overall, like, you know,
I think it's great to hear because, you know, a lot of,
I know, especially for me, I've listened to quite a few spaces. I've talked in some spaces and,
you know, it's, it's a breath of fresh air. Let's just put it that way.
Appreciate it, man. I mean, I think, you know, not only, not only does it like cleanse my soul to speak more candidly, but I think there's a very important opportunity to win as an entrepreneur by driving this kind of candid conversation.
And I think you need to be in the right position in order to take that risk.
in order to take that risk, right?
A lot of founders, when you see,
when they decide to take action, right,
they are doing so feeling pressured
by the realities that surround them, right?
It is hard to build a company in crypto that tries to address customers
outside of crypto if you are trying to raise venture and crypto investors don't want to hear
you talking about addressable market outside of crypto, even if that is a massive opportunity, right? It's hard to, I think, you know,
think about healthy token life cycles
and the idea of, you know, I mean,
a lot of people when they start a project,
they own a major portion of the token, right?
That's a major part of their wealth building process. It's what
they've learned. It's what they've seen. I think it's hard to break out outside of that and say,
okay, I'm going to do something totally different, right? And so I think it's important.
One, I love doing this stuff. I love trying to me, being an entrepreneur is looking at the world,
trying to assess its objective truth, right?
And making a bet on what that truth is, even if the people around you don't see it, right?
And that's typically like, if you look at entrepreneurs who really won, right?
If you look at companies that have really won early on when they were getting started,
a lot of people were saying like ah that's wrong
right like that's that's not gonna work right or that's really dumb or this doesn't make any sense
um or they were doing something super different people like i'm not really comfortable with that
right it's different uh but you know they were right they were on the right side of history and
ultimately like that played out that was was the asymmetric opportunity, right?
So I think there's just a lot of value on all fronts here, right?
Not only is it better to holders, better the community.
Not only does it, you know, hopefully lend credence to some of these platforms that have been mired in speculation, right?
some of these platforms that have been mired in speculation, right?
I would love to see more high-quality projects launch out of PumpFun,
launch out of Radium's new launchpad, launch out of AutodafFun, right?
There is an immense, immense wave of value, of innovation
that is set to just explode out of these platforms.
If, you know, we can find the right builders
and if they can build the right communities
with the right momentum to get it done.
And I would love to be a part of that.
And obviously there's personal incentives to do that too.
So I think incentives are really aligned.
And I love it when incentives are aligned,
like everybody else on the space. Um, so I'm pretty stoked about it.
So, all right, we got, so we've totally blown through our half hour, um, which is cool,
which is cool. We said if conversation was going well, we do an hour. Um, I think conversation
is going super well.vin and i went back and
forth for a while uh let's say we'll we'll keep it going for another 20 minutes from now let's
plan on that so we'll do 15 minutes extra as long as there's questions and we'll kind of um keep
tackling things what do you guys think yep sounds good and thank you definitely want to let somebody else you know have a chance
don't don't all right we're we're letting up I'm decentralized what's up brother how are you can you hear us yeah man i can hear you thanks for helping me out
um yeah yeah i just want to jump on and as someone who kind of you know saw it from day one
um when you you know everyone kind of started talking about dark and everything and i talked
to two people one was bit god we jumped in the chat and we're like yo what do you think like
what's he gonna do and whatnot and then i talked to uh nick as well with shark node uh because he's cool and then he knew
you as well found down whatnot and it was pretty cool because mcps you know with the anthropics
thing they published that around november 24th and uh with the mtp servers you know like open
library there's a ton of really really cool stuff that's happening in there.
But I didn't really see any of it applied in the crypto space yet.
You know, it's something that I'm working on.
We're using it because I think it's really cool because you're introducing something that is like very, it's a very, very important big jump for builders in the way that before this, you need to build a custom plugin for whatever agent framework you were using to deal with whatever external data that you were handling and the actions that were required to handle it.
It required building custom actions, staying up to date with whatever the most recent agent
framework was.
You know, we just, we fixed one for orderly that was, it was for, for Eliza and it was
like super, super out of date, but that's because people are iterating so fast on things.
And so it made it really challenging for existing teams and platforms to maintain relevance in most up-to-date
releases of whatever framework it might be. And then what happens is like, okay, a new framework
comes in and all these different things are happening. So like in the builder world, MCPs
were massively important. Same thing as just, you know, general API. It's super, super important.
And I was really excited to see, you know, yourself, someone that I can, you know, respect
as a builder come in and kind of take the lead on this because I knew what was going to happen.
There was going to be a ton of grifting. There always will be anyway. But it was really, really
cool to see someone come in with a very open and clear objective, you know, honest with the
community. And, you know, I'm happy that you got the attention because I think the way that you're handling it,
the way that you're, you know, kind of pushing the ecosystem to contribute and collaborate
and not making it closed off whatsoever.
And I mean, even not throwing any shade whatsoever at Eliza, but even in the way that you're doing it,
you're not like launching a ton of tokens or it's not like all financially incentivized.
Like, of course, people are going to able to to benefit financially off of it but
i really really appreciate the way that you're handling it and what you're doing with the
attention the way that it's you know helping mountain down which i believed in separately but
uh in the way that you know just the whole dark research thing is going uh it's really cool um
and it's fun and i think it's going to incentivize a lot of other, first, I think all of the plugins that currently exist are going to get converted,
which I think needed to happen anyway.
A lot of plugins are out of date.
And the most recent one that people use is Eliza.
And then when I came out with 2.0, all of those are out of date anyway.
So there's a big shift that needs to happen regardless.
But then once all of those MTPs are created, there's going to be so much more accessibility
for people to use open on-chain interaction across all the chains.
It'll totally move away from like, oh, we have a custom plugin, or we have this and that.
And then teams don't need to constantly update whatever plugin that is.
And so it's just going to be such faster acceleration of development.
So honestly, I just wanted to jump up here and say thanks.
It's really cool what you're up to.
I'll be supporting it in any way I can.
And yeah, keep on keeping on, dude. Appreciate that, man. Yeah, definitely appreciate the kind of words, guys. I totally agree with you on so many fronts. I think
the plugin thing, right? If you guys remember, Eliza got up and running, and then the codebase immediately got super bloated.
But what's even more interesting is if we go back to this analogy of you're giving people the opportunity to start coffee shops,
Eliza got kind of halfway towards this because they were open source and developers could contribute to the open source code base.
Right. And so, you know, if you were a developer that was working on like a specific tool or you were affiliated with a specific tool and you wanted to maintain like a certain plugin for Eliza,
then in theory, like you could keep monitoring like, okay, like, you know, I want to make sure that, I don't know, maybe I'm working at Drift protocol and I want to make sure that Eliza can interact with Drift.
And so I'm going to build a plugin for Drift.
I'm going to integrate that into the Eliza code base.
And then anytime that Drift, you know, makes an update, like I'm going to make sure that plugin is updated.
Right.
That's like half of the way there, right? But it is
so much harder to do that for every single code base that the Drift plugin is relevant for,
right? Every single agent than it is to just say, hey, like I'm going to build a Drift MCP server,
and I'm going to build my coffee shop and literally anybody that wants coffee,
wherever they're coming from, can come and hit me up for coffee, right? Can come and use this drift,
this drift MCP server. And over time, like this is, if you guys are kind of following like the
MCP platform space, right? Right now, there's like a lot of like marketplaces that are doing this,
like, hey, here's a bunch of interesting MCP servers, right? And they just kind of like
list it out. And some of them are going as far as saying like, hey, you know, we'll make it easier
to download them locally and run them locally. Or hey, maybe there's like a hosted one. You just need to give us your API key for something, right?
For FireCrawl, let's say, right?
Let's say you're going to use FireCrawl
and you just need to give us your API key for that
and we'll pipe that through to the server
and everything will be dandy, right?
That's like a huge security risk,
huge developer experience,
like garbage, just trash hole, right?
What should be happening is like the cursor experience, right?
Cursor, you download Cursor, just like you download VS Code,
and you pay Cursor, you know, 20 bucks a month.
And Cursor says, hey, we got all these AI models,
and you can use them, right? And maybe some of the big ones you have to pay us a little more for, but Cursor has an option.
You can give them API keys, which I think is a way that they bootstrap, but you don't have to.
And if you don't want to worry about it, you don't have to think about it at all.
And Cursor's last valuation was what?
$9 billion?? Nine billion? Three billion? Right. Like Cursor has absolutely just, I mean, Cursor didn't build any of the AI models that it's using. They've got one. They've got like a Cursor AI model, right? Cursor small or whatever. And like, I don't think anybody uses it. Right. It's a good experiment on their end. I don't think it's going to be something they continue investing in.
experiment on their end. I don't think it's going to be something they continue investing in.
So there's just an immense amount of power in wrapping this hosted experience, allowing people
to build their coffee shop, serve their coffee, and allowing customers to be like, hey, I want to
swipe my credit card. I have my money with Visa or I have my money with whatever global payment
provider is your favorite. I don't have to give the coffee shop access to my bank account directly. Right. And I think
it's like super, super powerful. Actually, I want to pause really quickly something related to
Kevin's questions earlier about like, what are dark holders going to get with the token?
And me talking about like the infinite opportunity to integrate dark into products, right?
I don't know if you guys saw eight minutes ago, Shaw tweets, the native token of auto.fun
is AI16Z, right?
Super, super fascinating statement that is directly in line with the way we're thinking about things at dark because Autofun does not actually technologically have anything to do with the AI-16Z token,
right? They could have built it completely independently, but they chose to have a token
integration for very obvious reasons, right?
The token is a powerful distribution tool.
They want to do right by their holders.
They want their holders to, you know, see value, right?
And so this new product that they're building that is targeting creators, that is monetizing in a totally separate way than anything AI-16Z has built to date, right? This new product is integrating the
AI 16Z token. This is the new token model. This is my pitch. The new token model is looking at
tokens as distribution tools that help build communities, that help drive awareness, and then
integrating those tokens into otherwise standalone products.
So anyway, I just, you know, I've got my Twitter feed up, obviously,
and I just saw that I got kind of hyped, so I just wanted to throw that in there.
Hell yeah.
That answers my question.
Hell yeah.
All right, who's got some FUD?
Let's talk some hate.
You guys are being so nice and supportive someone in here is like this guy for sure
everyone's like oh my requests all my request to speak all of a sudden went down
zach is gonna get up here and talk hate this one's gonna hurt dude it's I guess that's such good things to say what's up man
okay what's going on it's out dude good to see you you too man um for those that don't know
but I'm gonna cut you off and introduce can I introduce you really quick
absolutely go for it all right cool so so. So some of you might be following a massive initiative that Solana is doing right now called Solana America.
It's a campaign to kickstart IRL developer communities in the U.S. focused on Solana and Zach is running
titled out which is focused on Southern California there's eight eight or twelve
locations around the US I couldn't name name them all. They're up it up daily.
They're adding.
So yeah, it's crazy.
Hell yeah.
Hell yeah.
Yeah, so anyway, awesome community guy.
Also works at Drift now.
So pretty stoked about that.
I'm glad I used Drift as my MCP server example.
And also someone that's been to Mountain Doubt
for a while now, knows the community, also someone that's been to Mountain Doubt for, you know, for,
for a while now knows the community there can, can definitely attest to that. So pretty stoked
to have them up there. Definitely throw them a follow. Um, all right. What you got Zach,
what's your, what's your, what's your FUD dude? Word. Absolutely. I mean, it sucks. Cause I feel
like I'm like the biggest MCP stan,
I guess in my daily conversations.
So I mean, I think the biggest blocker to MCP right now
is getting like access to it, right?
Like getting MCP set up is like this weird kind of process
where you gotta go into like a JSON text file and throw in some configs. And it's like,
it's very not intuitive. And I think, um,
I feel like dark is positioned in a way to make that better, but I just,
I'll be honest with you.
I actually haven't kicked the tires on anything dark related yet. Um,
but I would love to get involved and like,
even if a drift MCcp client makes sense
you know that'd be super cool to see that but um yeah i think one of the areas that keeps coming
to my mind is like okay cool we're gonna like continue killing the planet to like
have uh our ai agents play mcp games on dark, dark, whatever it is.
Um, but you know what, like the show must go on, right?
It will get better.
Yeah.
I mean, I think, you know, for what it's worth, right? Like, I mean, obviously dark games, um,
everything that is built on chain is, uh,
going to be built on Solana, right?
Um, initially, uh, built on chain is going to be built on Solana, right?
Initially, we weren't going to ship any of the game on chain. We were just going to integrate the dark token and start monetizing.
The play was to, and I think this is the first thing that we're going to do, right?
The first dark game is called Sputnik,
and it's a single AI agent that tries to make it from a starting planet
to a target planet through a universe.
So it's got to fly across this universe.
It's got a limited amount of fuel,
and it can refuel on different planets. But the thing is, is that it needs your help to
help it navigate and tell where to go. And then it either charges you or rewards you
for information you give it based on whether or not it thinks it's helpful
so it's a cool nerd snipe opportunity that you know requires you to get familiar with the dark
universe you know requires you to start like exploring where different planets are think
about like the best way to put a team together to map out you know uh the universe better um really interesting opportunity to like
you know sell information on the map in secondaries and things like that right like i'm not
not going to give you too many ideas but um that that is the initial play uh and then you know before like a couple days ago
right and this kind of highlights like how serious i am about this whole like look like we'll build
whatever you guys want right like that's the goal is to build what you want it's the paul graham
build something users want like mantra um before before a couple days ago the whole game other than uh you escrowing
dark to talk to the agent and then getting rewarded if um if you're helpful uh everything
else was going to be off chain and then somebody threw out like hey we should put like spoutniks
movements on chain and then coincidentally it's funny how we're like
right on the trend every time these last two weeks it's been it's been a lot of fun
but coincidentally like mega eth launched their game right and they were like look all these
actions are like on chain and you know then i tweeted hey like i don't know do you guys want
to see this like maybe nobody cares right maybe we don't need to put the fucking game on chain like who cares right um and turned
out people cared people were pretty excited and uh you know a couple people were pretty vocal about
uh putting the game on magic block so i hit up the magic block guys um who i know pretty well
because they are one of mountain dow sponsors um
along with you know a bunch of other people in the ecosystem and uh you know i said hey do you
guys want to do this actually you know what i did i went to hit them up because we already have like
a group chat right and they had hit me up like already in your DMs. Yeah. Cause, cause I'm on Twitter.
Right.
And I'm tweeting.
and I didn't get to telegram yet.
Right.
And they're already like,
they sent me the Twitter link and they're like,
let's put this on magic block.
And I said,
okay,
like how long is this going to take?
Right.
Because I'm not trying to do something that's going to take a week,
two weeks,
three weeks to get out.
Like I want this game live fucking three days ago right and and uh and they were like yo we could get it done like
same day like you just let us know right um and so i hope that right now what we're doing with
dark games the engineering and i hope i have an update it's it's it's 2am in
Turkey right now I've been working until like 4 or 5am every day to get you guys like meaningful
progress but after I get off the sort of space I want to solve some state management pieces
basically like video game bullshit where we need to make sure that, uh, everybody who opens up the Sputnik
game, see Sputnik in the same location, right? Seems super basic, just needs to be done. Uh,
and then, you know, hopefully we have that done, you know, before I go to bed tonight. Uh, and then,
um, the next step is integrating, uh, an agent to be able to move sputnik which we basically have done we just
kind of have to plug back in uh and then after that it's putting it on magic block so i mean
we're talking like you know mid week this week ideally we're starting to run tests uh with
sputnik on magic block and we have like a fully I guess, I don't know if it'd be technically
called a fully on-chain experience, but a pretty on-chain experience. So yeah, I don't know. Just
some more thoughts. Super bullish. I'd love to start flying around in my little Sputnik iteration,
making it across the galaxy. Yeah, dude. I mean, mean you know one thing i'm thinking about right
is should we have a spoutnik for every person that plays or one spoutnik in the entire universe
and then everybody has to like fly to get the the final like the next step. Exactly.
Exactly.
Right.
Every moment that you're not working with Sputnik,
Sputnik is working with somebody else.
Interesting.
And Sputnik's paying whoever helps them, right?
And so that incentivizes people to get a team together because there's going to be a bunch of planets.
And right now, if you're really savvy,
you can see where all the planets are on GitHub.
But don't worry, I'm going to fix that.
And there's going to be a new map.
I had some people saying some things on the internet,
acting like I might not be aware, but I'm aware.
We're just shortcutting for now.
So there's going to be this whole universe, right? And like, you're going to have to explore it.
And you're going to be able to fly around, just not in Sputnik, just by yourself, right? And
you're going to be able to map out where different planets are. But if you have a team of people, they'll be able to obviously map out, you know, map out where the planets are faster.
And if you can build AI agents that can scavenge the universe, and I don't know, I'm not going to tell you what to do.
But there's, you know, a lot of opportunities there.
And I think, yes, I think that's an open question.
Right now, it's structured as one Sputnik for everybody.
Yeah, I think that's an open question right now it's structured as one Sputnik for everybody yeah I think that's those are good questions I you know ultimately I think it kind of comes down to the gameplay experience that you're looking for like is it a race is it a viper
for control that's regardless either way it goes I'm sure it'll be really exciting hell yeah appreciate that man all right
we're gonna let vask up uh and i think that'll be our last person for the day um but i mean you guys
you know you guys let me know if you like this space if you want me to do them more frequently
uh a little bit easier for me to jump on x spaces than it is on like a pump fun live stream.
But I do want to do pump fun live streams ongoing as well. So we can, you know, you've figured it
out. All right. Oh, fast. Let me let you up here, homie.
Also, I'm seeing the comments about an ex community. I'll create one right after this
call. I think that makes a lot of sense.
The gram charity about trending.
Say that again.
I just wanted to ask why you don't do Jodi, but it is free trending on the Telegram.
Yeah, it's a good question.
So I have not seen Telegram communities be helpful to projects in even the medium term.
I think they get overrun. I think they, specifically, I think they get
overrun with low quality conversation. I think that they also fragment attention
away from Twitter. And they're another security layer that we need to manage, right? And so instead of kind
of the standard approach, you know, because in the past, like projects I've worked with,
projects I've built, we've done the standard Telegram, Discord, all of that. With Dark,
With Dark, for the time being, I'm pretty biased towards just keeping Twitter and GitHub.
GitHub shows all of our open source code.
It's a great place to get into the weeds.
If you're technical, it's a great place to push PRs.
I've gotten some DMs from people like, hey, like, how can I help, right? You can help by pushing a PR, right? Get in there. Write an issue. If you're, you know, if you don't have time to write code, or if you don't know how to write code, you know, GitHub has a great issues tab where you can just write, you know, write out a problem that you have.
And like literally, like if you want something built or if you hate something that exists,
just write it in there and we'll integrate that right into our engineering efforts. It's a great
way to get involved. And so, yeah, for the time being, I think I'm pretty biased towards sticking to Twitter alone.
But, you know, like I mentioned, I think we're going to set up an X community immediately after this call because we're getting a lot of support there.
because we're getting a lot of support there.
If there's more support for Telegram or Discord,
then make sure to get into the comments
and fight back so your voice is heard.
But yeah, those are kind of my thoughts.
Okay, okay. Very good.
I just want to say I'm very happy with our,
you know, I work in D&T Intel in telecom service for maybe 10 years.
So, you know, me and my team, we have a lot of experience,
but yeah, it is great.
It is very good project, you know,
but I just want to ask you have any marketing plans.
Yeah, dude. I i mean i'm marketing
right now um uh yeah so i mean i think i think uh first of all i appreciate the kind words um
i think marketing is 99 of the work i really do guys like you know how we call them all devs, right?
And like I am, obviously, doing a bunch of engineering. But I think that in order to succeed here,
99% of the effort is going to need to be put into distribution, awareness,
getting people to know about Dark, and getting people to know about what's
going on with dark. And so most of my head is on how can we push distribution? How can we push
distribution? You know, I think while we're starting with the you know obviously the crypto solana niche
um we are focused on growing on twitter um and i mean i think that's given us some pretty
exciting virality um it's you know done the initial work of like, um, getting potential partners aware of us, right. Um, getting aware
that, you know, getting them aware that we're like up and running, getting them aware that we're
starting to, you know, work with projects in the Solana space that, uh, you know, are building MCP
servers, right. That's the pipeline towards tighter partnerships, towards having enterprise
customers and obviously getting on the radar with exchanges, which is relevant for the token.
I think like, where am I thinking from here? One is, the number one most important thing for me right now is to get Sputnik the game live.
Like, I candidly wanted it to come out faster than it's coming out, even though it's been two weeks.
I wanted to do it in, my initial goal was to do it in 96 hours, right?
Four days.
You know, ambitious goal, frankly an impossible goal,
but you know, I said in any way, I think we're gonna, you know, get it out pretty quickly,
but getting it out means that we have a product, means that we have revenue, means that it's not just me tweeting. That gives us a product foundation to do more marketing on top of.
Now people are playing the game. Now people have somewhere they can go and live in the dark
experience. Now we can go to partners and say, hey, do you want to sponsor a planet? There's
Now we can go to partners and say, hey, do you want to sponsor a planet?
There's 10,000 people looking at these planets every day, right?
We did Jupiter a little favor and we made a Jupiter planet.
A ton of people are seeing Jupiter now, right?
Now, obviously, a ton of people see Jupiter already, right?
There's a lot of other projects that are getting seen a lot less
that could be seen a lot more if they existed in the dark universe, right? And so it's kind of this,
I don't want to use the word push-pull because I feel like that's the wrong term, but
it's like a leapfrogging situation, right? You can do a bunch of marketing,
but then at some point you need to back
it up with product or else you're just building vaporware right and then you
know you can build product but if you don't spend enough time on marketing
nobody's gonna know about it nobody's gonna use it right and so you know I
think we've been pushing on marketing pretty hard. I want to back it up with product,
and then I want to unleash a whole additional hailstorm of marketing.
And I think that's the way we're going to continue.
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keep i'll keep it in mind all right are you going to um dubai for token 2049. I am actually. Yeah, this is a, it's really great to mention.
So I will be in Istanbul for Solana crossroads happening later this week.
And I'll be in Dubai for token 2049.
So if you guys are interested in,
in anything, we can do an event, we can, um, you know, do something smaller.
Uh, you know, if you're a partner that's looking to work together, um, you know, hit me up.
Uh, I've got some open slots for like dinner and drinks.
Um, yeah, let's figure it out but i'll be there uh and i'm i'm i'm in i'm in most places where uh listen the the whole the whole uh do what your users want thing includes me jumping
on planes so if uh if enough of the dark community is showing up to a conference so am i
it is very good i love to hear sir um i think this for me daniel wants to ask a question
okay cool well i'll do a bonus round we'll let we'll let swarm you up and then i gotta go fix
this state management guys this stuff's been kind of eating at me the last like you know two days
hey swarmy what's up, man?
Hey, yo, hey, yo, wanted to join.
My boy Vask here made some good points.
And, yeah, plus one on Cherry Bot all day.
Oh, oh, we lost him.
Oh, you're muted. Hello? Come back. hello back oh hey I can hear you thank you
for inviting me up dope oh I think that's all folks
swarm he's coming coming in and out
we'll give him a little dude i just realized the handle is swarmy daniels
banger thank you um yo edgar what's going on uh was a user of um marginfi and all that so yeah i just want to say nice um yo so i think generally
i did just hop into space so i'm sorry if you um are breeding yourself you probably are dude can
you give me the elevator pitch on dark really fast because i feel like so many people are giving
different pitches for it um and it's actually kind of difficult to understand I think it's totally yeah what are the what are the different pitches I'm curious like what
have you heard dude so I've heard dark is basically infrastructure for AI to
build and play games I've heard dark is basically infrastructure for your AI to
build your own freaking video games and play games for other people I've heard a
bunch of different shit i'm gonna be
totally honest i'm not an investor in dark like i'm pretty new to to it um it's going to jump up
and i feel like there's other people uh who are also thinking something similar honestly
yeah yeah totally um yeah this is a this is a great question uh so, Dark is hosting infrastructure for model context protocol servers. What does that
mean? Model context protocol is a framework that was launched by Anthropic, if you know the really
big AI company, I would say OpenAI is one of their primary competitors.
They built Claude.
Anthropic launched the MCP framework as a way to build tools for AI agents.
And so what Dark is doing is it's making it easy for developers that are building tools for AI agents to host those tools, deploy them, and get them out into the world.
This doesn't just include gaming by any means.
This doesn't just include gaming by any means.
It's a play across all of AI tooling.
Now, so you can think of it as hosting infrastructure.
If you want some comparables,
I like to say like Vercel, for example.
Vercel made it really, really easy for people to deploy websites.
We want to make it really, really easy to deploy tools for AI agents.
Okay, now why are people talking about games, right?
I briefly talked about this or extensively talked about this earlier in the space.
So I'll kind of briefly do the overview here.
But building tooling for AI agents is not a consumer-market enterprise play where over time you're working with firms that are building
these tools and monetizing off of them.
I think that over the last couple of years, there's been this unprecedented distribution
evolution in crypto.
Everyone in crypto is a consumer, no matter what they do for a living,
including, you know, everyone from like regular users who are just kind of playing around with
apps all the way to people who are working at and running really big companies and making
decisions for those companies. Right. And so it's really important to build consumer experiences for every single company and to be on consumers' radar.
The way that we got to games is thinking about the problem.
We said, okay, we want to build infrastructure for developers.
How can we make that interesting to the average person who, like, is not a a developer doesn't care about what developers are
using etc uh and that conversation got us to building a game that we think is both engaging
just on its own right uh we think that building a game in crypto is a great way to create um a
financialized game right place where you can way to create a financialized game, right?
Place where you can win money, place where people will lose money, right?
It gets dark revenue, which is cool, right?
So just as kind of like a baseline, it like starts those company operations up.
We paired the idea of a game with a game that highlights pieces of the infrastructure technology that Dark is building, right?
So the first game, Sputnik, is an AI agent that is traveling through a universe.
It's leveraging model context protocol servers.
It's built on top of Dark infrastructure.
It's highlighting Dark's technology,
not just to users, but also to partners.
It's starting to pull partners in who are getting introduced to this game and saying,
okay, how is this built?
Why does this work?
Why is this interesting?
There's other kind of interesting pieces to it.
I think a game universe is also a really interesting distribution medium.
So, for example, I mentioned this earlier, we have lots of planets in space.
lots of planets in space. Teams that want to get in front of the dark community can start sponsoring
planets, right? We're playing around with the idea of like being able to plant flags in planets,
right? Starting to take ownership of planets. You can start thinking about like tokenizing those
planets. I think there's like, I was talking to Kevin
about this earlier in the space.
There's really interesting opportunities
to tokenize things within Dark's universe
while only supporting liquidity for those assets
against the Dark token,
which compounds the value of the Dark token
because all of that liquidity sits inside the same space.
So lots of kind of rabbit holes that I can nerd out on,
but the elevator pitches that Dark is building AI infrastructure,
and to get people's attention about it and to introduce people to it,
Dark is building a game. cool all right we got one more speaking request i want to hear from everybody. Are y'all trying to, oh, nope. He bounced.
Okay.
I'm going to give you guys a choice to keep going or,
or drop it.
Let's,
let's call it at that.
I think we've been going for over an hour and a half.
You guys know where to reach me.
I'm always on Twitter.
Yeah.
I want to hear feedback from y'all on how you felt this sort of space went I was kind of bummed like didn't didn't get enough criticism didn't get any people just got on and talked
about how hype they were which is cool I I I'm joking about being bummed. I'm eternally grateful for you guys. I really, really am.
This is, you know, for those that are like closer to me, and I've kind of seen me go through,
like leaving margin, you know, spending time with the projects that I've that I've been spending time
on, you know, which are which which are awesome, and which I could talk about, for, you know, which are awesome and which I could talk about for, you know, the entirety of this
Twitter space. I've been really, really motivated these last few weeks with, you know, the conversation
that started around us. And I hope we can continue to build something interesting here, keep the
conversation going, you know, keep criticism up when we don't like something, keep hype up when
we do like something.
And try to do something meaningful. We've got the entire world at our fingertips through this app that Elon is hopefully going to keep running and keeping together.
So let's make the most of it.
Dope.
All right, boys and girls and all the others.
I'll talk to you soon. Hvað er það?
