GM Fox, PM, welcome to the Twitter space where we have titled it beautifully called decentralizing altruism where we'll have a conversation all about Kivit. So we're thrilled to have Armand, the community builder and team member of Kivit
the future of giving, harnessing blockchain technology to create an ecosystem of collective support, abundance and value creation. Tonight we aim to dig deeper to understand their vision that
challenges and their triumphs. We'll explore their ethos, their work and the ways in which they are revolutionizing the concept of giving. The guys buckle up and prepare for a mind-blowing and part-of-working conversation. As they host with the day, my name is Salon
and I had the content and marketing at Dowstruck and all in one platform to use us to discover, invest and participate in over 10,000 dollars. Without further ado, let's get this started. Welcome, Armin. It's a pleasure to have you with us today. How are we doing?
Hey everyone! So happy to be here. Thank you so much for inviting me. I'm doing good. I wake up to the like my 6am and then I'm trying to change my morning routines. So I started, I started to meditate just a couple of days
ago and make some morning exercise and then I went to work out a little bit so I feel happy, I feel both feel because of these morning practice that I've been doing so thinking.
Lovely, lovely, what I'll do when I have something in front of me, the visit to is very recent, the first started my morning with team as well. I'm sick and tired of waking up at 10 or 11 in the morning, so I just shifted my morning cycle to 6 a.m. working out in the morning and getting up and having a great, great start.
to the day. And lovely, lovely, you love to know that you're following this 15. It gives an energized start to your day. Beautiful. So I want to start about, start talking about your journey, your depth, your role, and then we can focus on what exactly it is all about.
Of course, I would love to share some from Mexico and the Mexican. And I started my journey with, well, kind of like with this trend that came with NFTs. So that was my first approach to Web 3. But I started
in an organization called doing good because it really caught my attention that their mission was to use NFTs for good. So I joined this organization and then I started contributing full-time
to doing good. And then I start getting into the dow space thanks to a friend that is all about dow. So he as well start introducing me to different dow. He organized one dow is
event here in the city and I help you with some grants management for other people to come to the event so that that's where I met the GIVES team. So grief green, lore and Mitch and people that's
now part of give it and also my teammates came to Mexico City. And yeah, basically it has been crazy. For me last year I was able to do a lot of traveling thanks to her Dow as well.
Thanks to Kvairdow, I was able to go to thember last year to Rio de Janeiro as well to New York to... So, I'm part of different communities. I contribute to DreamDow as well, which I met a lot of them in Bogota.
And now after did that was and after getting closer to give it I'm full time contributor part of the community building team community communications team as well. And yeah, I think that that's in a nutshell hope I did take too long.
I want to hope that my starting of February and the outside also takes me places and do I really want to visit my court? That's one of my bucket list. So I hope that happens soon for me. And what I understand is that your journey started with the
and now give it is where you're contributing about from different delirium. So I want to understand what exactly give it is all about. Let's begin with that. I had some specific focus questions for you in a nutshell. How would you describe
of course. So, given is basically building the future of giving by empowering non-profit, social impact, the impact organizations and people that's working to make good to this world with Web3 technology. So,
Given that has different tools to make this happen, the main one is a crypto donation platform. So we'd like to describe given as the key starter of Web 3 projects.
and also individuals can jump into GIVES and just start a project and start receiving crypto donations right away. So that in a nutshell I would say is GIVES.
So, Hargit's give its mission now aligned with the principles of decentralization. We understand the underlying technologies. We understand what Kivath is all about. We're talking about decentralization. How do we align the vision with it?
how the centralization line, okay that's that's a great question. Give a doubt, actually give this one of the oldest dolls that have been in the web 3 space. It starts
started at 2016 by Grave Green and George V. Valina. And all about desentralization because they wanted to, as I mentioned before, empower people with this decentralized
technology in a way that everyone could just enjoy the benefits of WEC 3 meaning being able to make transactions without waiting a week in order to receive
it. They wanted to fund public goods through blockchain technology through this decentralized technology that makes it easier for everyone without managing all these
taxes without really worrying of third parties taking a cut of their transactions. So they wanted actually to share this in trollization with people
people doing good to the world. So I would say that that's how give it is aligned to the, to the, you mentioned by building these tools, these decentralized tools that are available to everyone.
Okay, so forgive me if I am drawing the wrong analogy, of course you can collect me there Arbon. So what I understand is that give it basically becomes that bridge for instance as an angel
and I feel like donating or helping through a cause, you know, from a philanthropy perspective. So, give it becomes a tool through which I can make the donation happen, is that correct?
Sorry Mike, me travels. Yeah, exactly. Okay, okay. So given, can you give me a unique example of any challenge that give it face because if it's commitment to decentralization or rather the adoption and then the commitment to decentralization. Of course.
I think that's the main challenge right there. You just mentioned the adoption because give it mostly focus to non-web three people. So give it once that the organization that's taking care of the jungle in Costa Rica
jump in and submit a project, right? But then that's the problem right there. How do you get to the organization that's doing this in Costa Rica in the middle of the jungle? And I give this example actually because we have a lot of projects that are from Costa Rica that are from the
jungle and have projects on Giveth because we have a big Giveth community there located there. But yeah, the main problem is that Gripdo and you might know this as well.
Shurs not very good reputation right now. I think facing a lot of people telling me that Gleeptoys is Kim, people having this mentality that Gleeptoys all about hypercapitalism
and that really gripto is all about money and is only Bitcoin. So that's the main challenge right there. We're working really hard to come with strategies that could tackle this.
in order to come closer to the people that we want to have in the platform. But right now, for us, the users and the adoption is still very, very low as what would be the ideal scenario.
you know, I understand for the known internet natives and of course this goes for Gaveth as well. People would not really know much about Bethfield, of course it encompassed in compasses and STs and douse. So wouldn't I you understand your arm and is that how do you
And you end up convincing people because give it is in the philanthropy area right and non-internet natives usually kind of stopped themselves from actually believing what weth we has to offer them, especially with the old scams and frauds
that happening in this space. So of course, there's a challenge, but what are the different steps that you guys are planning to take to kind of convince people that you know this is the way forward, this technology is actually revolutionizing the way we look at the art of giving.
That's a great question. Right now, honestly, almost all our communication is focused to web3 people, to people that's already in this space. So give us a main channel at least Twitter. Also,
So we have a very active Discord, so let's say that the Web 3 channels are in place and are open running. To get to non-Web 3 people right now, I actually am building
I'm developing an ambassador program. As you might know, other organizations or protocols or Web 3 companies have ambassador programs. These programs exactly are meant for this.
to tackle this challenge of getting to everyone, right? What's three people, non-what's three people, technical, non-technical, and so on. So right now, I'm making this first season of the Ambassador Program. We're running a pilot
lot in which we are with the help of some of like OG ambassadors. We are tackling maybe some holes that we need to feel with more information or information more clear.
So right now I'll say that one of our main strategies to tackle this challenge is through this ambassador program because the idea is to have these ambassadors all over the world spreading the boys about Keeveth in let's
say non-Web 3 necessary events, they could just go with a non-profit, and share about give it, right? That could just maybe go to a social impact event, nothing related to Web 3, and then just like
sure about he was so I'll say that that's the main strategy right now. Maybe the scalability will not as be as I would love to but right now I would say that that's our main strategy to tackle this challenge.
But hey in the wet sleep, it's all about one step at a time. So of course if you guys are taking it first step, of course. So you know these ambassadors can actually be called the givers and yeah, because it's just out of the broad start. On that note, are there any more similar organizations like
give it and if there are, how does give it to differentiate itself from other giving platforms? Of course, so the platform that give it is Compa or Latu is Gidcoin. Gidcoin, there
still is that they have these quadratic funding rounds. So every round, quarterly I believe, every four months, they opened these rounds in which project can submit and then start getting funds through crypto and then thanks to the
I think funding they can earn more and more that they actually got from the community. So I would say that platforms that are similar, Gidcoin is the one that is best
known and especially because of these rounds that I'm mentioning. Also there is the Giving Block which is interesting how the Giving Block operates. Basically they have a register of all
American or all the United States non-profits and they help non-profits to start receiving funds through crypto but it's curious because they have the registry of all these non-profits and actually all of them already have a project
So a lot of organizations don't know that they have actually a project open in the giving block and the idea is that at some point they can figure out that they have a wallet with money and then they can start this crypto journey. So that's the giving block.
I would say that for me are like the main platforms available that are kind of like similar to Giveth with Geetcoin specifically. Giveth do not have quadratic funding right now.
We do not operate with this round system. We are an always-own platform, meaning that project can respond all year. And in Gitcoin, you can only respond during these rounds, so that's some of the main differences.
So I would correct myself if I'm wrong, for during my research I just found that not for dramatic funding, for dramatic voting, but give it employees something called a conviction mechanism. Is that correct? It turns it voting.
Can you repeat that question again? Because you were kind of like, "Cody." Okay. Sure. Am I allowed in here like that?
Yeah, you're better. What I was saying is that sure so what I'm saying is that since you mentioned about quadratic voting. I was researching about give it and I came across a storm called conviction voting. Is that something that give it the deploys in their platform for the both of them send
the government's aspect. Yeah, exactly. So we have this voting mechanism, as I mentioned before, give it the Isidau. So people, it's part of the style they can be part of this
our governance. Thanks to Conviction Voting. So, this gives its own pool of funds in which the community basically, both with the
decision making using mechanisms as conviction voting. We have a reputation token as well, but yeah, exactly. Given has its own governance and conviction for voting is part of it.
So I am now more in sleep before I go deeper into give it. Since like it will be I was researching about this important mechanisms. Do you mind shedding some light on what exactly to be understand by conviction or
Of course, so in this case conviction voting allows requests for funding from the Dow. So if you have a proposal to give it in which you would like to implement something, and you can just go and check
the key with forum, right? So there's a lot of proposals trying to build things over a key bit. And using conviction voting, you can request for funding from the DAO's Treasury. I'm not mentioning or involving
the funding platform, this is the Dow governance. So we use this mechanism in gardens, which is where the community requested funds.
So basically this is the heart of the garden and it allows the community to signal their preferences rather than forcing them to make a decision, right? So from the perspective of a community member, it's very easy as just show
And then supporting the things that you care about for, give it. So the future, the unique future of conviction voting is that instead of voting yes or no on our proposal, you stay give behind proposals that allow
line with what you want, with what you support, and the more give that you take, and the longer that you take your give, the more conviction or voting power you take. You are signaling to that specific proposal.
If these collective conviction from a proposal, a Teeve or Reach is there in threshold, then the proposal passes. So that's more like towards funding proposals from our community.
other things. Thank you so much for answering that question for me. Now I want to get back to give it and understand, okay just tell me a success story where the viewer was able to actually reward an individual or say a project for creating a
that positive change. Meaning with conviction voting like a community or in-general from a community person or in-general. Okay so what one success story from the given donation platform right?
Yes, yes, oh perfect. So as I mentioned, we have different projects and we have non-technical or or very technical Web3 projects. I see
I think that one that I really like to always share is that this project that I mentioned before from Costa Rica, they are called the Yamante Bridge Collective.
And Diamante Bridge Collective, they're located in Costa Rica and they want to create a resilient network of local economies. So it's crazy that through Giveth
this Costa Rica collective has been able to transform the education in their community. They have been able to organize events for the community and the people that's part also of the
the Amante-Luz Regenerative Collective in Costa Rica. They also work for the Earth Regeneration, for the Lands Regeneration. So they are right now the number 11 in the GIVES platform with more
donations achieved right now they have achieved 58,801 dollars well equivalent right but in the equivalent in in U.S.E. or dollars and I think that like this is a really nice success story
of how an Earth community, a regenerative community can just use work three in their own benefit, right? If you want another example of this is this is cool. That's very commendable of accessible skill at which it functions.
which brings me to my next question, your argument. How do you guys define success? Is it strictly qualitative, sorry, quantitative in terms of the remineration amount basically or do you also have some qualitative aspects to it?
We have a Web 3 platform. We're very tech focused. So I would say that we're very results oriented.
especially the developers and the more technical teams very drive through KPIs and numbers and results.
But I would say that in general the success of the given community, I would measure it through the success of the given economy. That for me would be a very good
general measurement of success in which the more community is part of the give economy and participate in the give economy and take this give as I mentioned in
in our gardens through conviction voting and supports, give us projects through all the products that we have developed like give power the more
powerful to give economy will become. And so these will make our our token more more
Powerful and will make it stronger. So at the end that will benefit all the community. So I would say that that's like a really good success measure. The success of the give economy is it means the success of the give a project and the give it now.
Absolutely, it's very well said. Talking about Geer's economy, Amin, what exactly does the self-sustaining giving economy look like in practical terms?
Sure. So the given economy is very interesting. Actually, this start to be developed since the creation of the given style.
But actually it was launched on December 2021. So the gift token was launched on Christmas actually. And and still they give it kind of
The first part is that people that was eligible to receive a gift drop, basically contain this gift token that I mentioned is a token of the doubt.
So people that donated to GIVIS were eligible to receive these give drops, so these happened on December 2021. And then the first part of the GIVIS economy and the part that's more attractive to people out there.
is that donors to verify projects and give it get rewarded from givebacks. So the givebacks let's say was the first give it project that part of the give economy that was launched and this basically means that
If you want to support a verified project and give it, you can make a donation. And then you're going to receive part of your donation. You're going to receive a percentage of your donation back in gift tokens trying to change the narrative that
that donating or supporting means losing, right? And just change that mindset into the opposite. Donating and supporting does not mean that you need to lose something. So the give economy rewards donors.
to support verified projects and then also liquidity providers and give stakeholders can earn rewards in the give farm. Also, all the give holders can create or vote
on proposals in the gift garden as I was mentioning and explaining the gift garden before and anyone who claims give or form part of the gift economy get
a continuous flow of give from the give stream which will be up and running until December 23rd. Also you can use give to bold, you can use give to govern the platform.
We have so many things that are part of the give economy and I will say that this is the perfect example of a decentralized tool that works three can provide to make good and to make social impact.
You could be much answered by upcoming question your arm and because and so these are the certain ways by you giving back to your community. I think these steps actually foster a sense of community among the members as well as the contributors likewise. So sure.
So given the fact that we have a decentralized governance, do you think that the aspect of decentralized governance has somewhere or some time in fluency decision or any election at the
meaning that the decentralized governance is successful, like meaning if it's useful or if it has done so. Yeah, I'll be remodeling on that note to me. How has the aspect of decentralization given given away to kind of move forward?
Of course. So I would say that this is a challenge. And including given with which I was mentioning has been in this phase since a long time ago, I would say that he's still a challenge. He tried to build a
this centralize like a fully 100% decentralized governance because at the end of course as we are also a nonprofit a social project ourselves is very hard for us to
to get the funds that we need to maintain the thou, to maintain the project. So right now, there are some people that has the most voting power in the thou that has
The most decision making ended out because of this that I'm mentioning that right now we're struggling with getting funds from different sources that will help this desentralization to be more efficient. But it's hard, right?
to really, really have a decentralized governance having in mind the challenges that we also face as a center of organizations to maintain ourselves. So yeah, right now the vote
voting power is in the hands of a few, hoping that in the near future this will change and more people will be give holders and more people will be participating in the governance to be more and more decentralized.
So, well, I can say to all the Web 3 people right now, actually understand Web 3, what decentralization is, I do check out the platform, they are doing some amazing things in the philanthropy space or I call it the altruism.
of space, give them a follow because every follow counts, every light counts, that more and more people can understand and know what this platform is actually and how this platform is actually relaxing the space or giving. Back to be with the comment, how does it give it a short transparency
and accountability in its operations because it is very far out. Sure, so we record all our calls. So if you go to our YouTube and you will see that we have
two different channels we have the Ghibith main channel in which you will be able to found really cool tutorials and some of our teammates that make great conferences, but then you also have
give us transparency. And then if you go there, you're going to find all our calls, community calls, the give economy working group, development working group. So we record everything
everything for people to be able to patch up in which in everything that give it is doing, you're able as well to jump into the give it calls which are open to. So if you jump into this court server,
you are going to be able to see all the different channels, the voice channels open. And then you will notice the ones in a while people just gather there talking about different topics of the Tao.
So, I would say that give it tries really, really hard to maintain transparency to their community, making and speaking and working as transparent as possible.
due to safety, let's in class, for Lindsay and accountability besides community or the other two aspects in the Web 3 ecosystem of course, about Web blockchain. So, Amit, how do you view it evolving in the next five years?
And what are your vision? What do you give it? That would be awesome. Like this, if this vision that I have comes to reality, because I envision give it in five years being a reference from the world three space, especially
from the blockchain for good space, having a really strong give economy, having thousands of projects in the platform up and running and receiving funds. And I'll say that the more
important part is that I envisioned in five years a lot of these projects like the the amount of the rich collective that I was mentioning also becoming DAUS because the end goal of the give economy and the end goal of the give it
roadmap is that at some point projects on GIVET will be able to develop their own economy back in the GIVET economy and developing their own voting mechanisms.
governance there on community and basically that's the the end goal of if given providing the tools to nonprofits and social projects to to become the house as well.
beautiful and how does it give us also approach potential collaborations and forms, strategic alliances and how do you want about figuring out and then forming alliances, what's your approach like?
Sure. So we have a forum that's open as well. Let me just share you right now the exact link is forum dot give us dot IO.
And everyone that's interested in, let's say, a formal partnership, kind of like, oh, I would love to give it to sponsor my event. So the best way is jumping to a forum and write the proposal and then
and make it visible for everyone in the given community to see what's about. And then the next step is the community voting and getting the signaling if this is something that will give us will be
interest in partnering or doing, let's say the best way, the formal way. Also I would recommend to jump into our discord. The give-of-team is always
funding and managing questions from the community. And we have a partnership channel in which everyone can just jump in and it's called potential partnerships and
reach out to the Gibbeth community or maybe even a project that's part of the Gibbeth community. So I would recommend both channels. They give it forum for like a more formal approach and if you're not very sure if
This is something that will be materialized. I will recommend that better go to the Discord, to this potential partner threats, to write your idea and then someone from the team will reach out and guide you.
love love well to all my audience if you have any questions regarding to or any question you have directed at armament send me a request and I will put you on the spotlight in the next 10 minutes as we approach the end of the session. Last few more questions I have for you
Thank you so much for being an amazing conversationist. I enjoy conversations and there's always so much more to know. Okay, back at it. Can you talk about it time when Kivith had to pivot its approach or strategy?
I mean, you had planned something, but then it didn't go that way because of certain circumstances and then you had to change the strategy right on that situation. So was there ever been a time like that?
Yeah, I think that because DCs, especially GIM of is working with technology that's constantly being developed, right? So there has been so many, many tools that change, although
the time with with worth three technology. So I've seen how a lot of the teams constantly constantly change the tools that they're using because some of them work, some of them do not work. For example,
So we have an exploit, our gift farm, which is a region farm in which projects for good, in which dows that are making a positive impact in the world, they can go in and then they can stake tokens and start receiving
So I believe it was last year that we have an exploit happening in the GIF farm that made the HOLD GIF farm stop for some months and then there were a lot of conversations in what
what things would be needed to change in order for these to not happen again. So we have these product called the Angel Balls that was used mostly through these gift farms that I'm mentioning that the community decided to
to stop using it. You know, so I think that, especially in the Web3X system, there's a lot of scammers and hacks happening all the times and exploits. You need to change constantly your strategy.
your products, maybe your roadmap, right? Because they might be something happening that doesn't allow you to have the roadmap as you plan it before. So I would say that this is something that happens a lot in giver that things in this
these weapons space are changing so fast that the dial constantly drop some tools, start using some others, and oh my god, it's just, I would say that it's kind of, I would love for things to be more stable honestly in the
Well, the world is very much dynamic, constantly changing and it keeps us on our toes to figure out the best course of action to be taken. Talking about the evolution of technology, how do you see blockchain technology evolving?
And how do you think it might affect, give its future initiatives? I see the blockchain technology evolving in a way better UX design user experience for users.
right now blockchain technology as of course is natural right as I mentioned before in this development state we're still testing and failing so I think that sometimes we really
forgot that forget sorry that this is still a technology that seemed constant development. So the UX, the technical process, the education, everything right now is zero
friendly is very hard to use to understand. So I envision the future of blockchain technology being way easier to apply to use to take advantage from to get
a wider and a broader user adoption. I think that forgiveness, that would be great, would be very beneficial because right now projects do not trust these technology because I was mentioning in the question before
for these full of exploits or hacks is kind of like not very secure right now. You need to be very careful. So of course people have doubts and questions, right? If this is actually like a better option. So I think that
things will get more secure, more simple and forgive us would be great because that will will allow more people coming, more people using the tools that we created and that means just having a bigger community.
Absolutely, I am myself waiting for the day when the technology becomes so seamless that everything happens just in the click of a button. But I think that's too far past your thought.
Talking about security since you mentioned that the technology also comes with a load of drawbacks. How does give it ensure the data privacy and security aspects?
Of course, so we are very transparent in a sense that we we use blockchain technology to guarantee the transactions meaning their donations. So if you go to the given platform, you can see a section in which
all the donations are shown and then you can see the link cash that will take you to the transaction and the receiver and the receiver. So everything is very transparent in that way regardless
security, given the runs, given the economy, and there's a lot of people contributing in the governance of the platform. I would say that in that sense, it's more about educating the community in order for them
to develop the best secure mechanisms and being very careful with their wallet. So I would say that that's more towards the education of the given community.
And yeah, also give it counts with a lot of security process regarding the governance and regarding multistiques and treasury and the community pool, right, just to be aware that
that everything is up and running, but at the end, of course there are still things that could happen, right? That could be out of give it hands, but I'll say that right now everything is very, very secure and take care of.
what is long as we take the right steps towards ensuring the privacy and the security aspects, fingers crossed, nothing might just go wrong. Alright, Amin, what is the biggest misconception people have about give it or about the work that you do? I would say that people
things that give it is kind of like nouns though. I've been I encounter sometimes people saying okay so then I should make a project and then give it fun my project like there
There is a misconception in which people think that givers will provide the funds, but we're really not. We're really a donation platform in which people can just go and start receiving donations.
right? So yeah, I think that's one of the biggest misconceptions that people think that we're like kind of like a low-own provider or crypto provider or something like that and it's really not.
Well, that's okay. Boy, I think you should just give out a tweet every second day talking about what exactly you do and what exactly does give it to. Alright, on a personal level, Ahmed, can you describe the most fulfilling moments you've had working with? Give it.
I would say that one of like a very fulfilled moment was the times in which we were able to get together. We were able to get together during Ithbarse Lorna last year, Denver this year.
So I would say that that's the most full-fueling moment when we're all able to get together and just now to suck at it and we're able to see the people behind the computer. I think that's great.
Absolutely, absolutely. I mean, we will just kind of work from different cities, different parts of the world. And I think coming together is one that's the true sense of feeling
the loan to the community, to the people that we work for in everything, sure. So what are some other lessons have you learned from your journey of building, give it so far?
I would say that for me I'm really trying and pushing to have more of a Latin American community participating in the platform, meaning I think there's a lot of potential here
of people using this technology and benefiting from it. So right now I'm really pushing for that to happen, bringing more people from Latam to platform, more friends, trying to make it more visible.
So yeah, I think that here, especially in the social impact space, there's a lot that you can contribute with. So for me, I will say that's like one of my main goals right now.
Absolutely, absolutely. And how do you envision give its impact in creating a more equitable and generous world with the art of giving? I think that I am vision-designed.
happening just by being able to spread more the values and the mission and the story. I think that you just nailed it when you mentioned that we should just tweet every second what is given about right. So I
I think that whoever reach out to give it and just start learning around the community and all the tools and the efforts and the work just gets fulfilled and gets excited and passionate.
that we have the value right there is just a matter to share the same value to other places to different strategies maybe or different communities but I think that is really about
about having more people knowing about Giveth, right? And like, having more people come closer to Giveth with what we already have right there. I don't think that we really need to invent something new.
Well, beautifully said again, Amand. And that's my last question to you before we wind up the session. What's the one thing you'd like to say to those who are new to the concept of blockchain-based giving? Can you repeat the question again? Did change the conception?
What? What said one thing you'd like to say to those people who are new to the concept of blockchain based giving. Oh right. When you do the entire concept of giving or blockchain technology. Right.
I'll tell them that be patient, that I know that most of them I want to see big changes and everything just running smoothly in the benefit of the world, but we are working
step by step where we're getting there. And I would say tell them that is the best place to be this blockchain for a good community because at the end, Grip though, and all these
These technologies were invented with the intention of empowering humans, of empowering individuals. So I'll just tell them to be patient and to stick with the community and learn.
Beautiful beautiful. I think I had the best time of my life having a conversation with you. And guys with that we conclude our enlightening session understanding all about give it and what almond does a beautiful work she does at give it on behalf of thou struck almond I extend my deepest
gratitude to you for being here for giving me your time and your valuable insights. It's actually been a thought-provoking journey delving into the heart of an organization that's truly harnessing technology to redefine the act of giving. Guys, to all my audience, I hope
this kind of session has sparked your curiosity and inspired you to explore the possibilities of decentralized giving. So let's carry forward the spirit of this dialogue to build a culture that rewards and empower those who give to the world. Thank you all for joining. Thank you so much, Amen. It's been a real pleasure.
Thank you so much. It was great to be here, Salonian, and hope to be able to know you in person and talk to you very soon.
Absolutely, fingers crossed and that armor. Thank you guys, thank you for tuning in. Until next time, keep exploring, keep questioning and most importantly, keep giving. This is your host, Saloni Jain, Sanin Ophatiti. Have a great one guys. Thank you so much. Bye bye.