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Recorded: July 6, 2025 Duration: 1:07:09Space Recording
Short Summary
Exciting developments are on the horizon as CryptolandDAO gears up for a significant project launch on September 6th, introducing new token mechanics and fostering strategic partnerships with UtilityDAO. The community is increasingly engaged in governance, reflecting a trend towards decentralized decision-making and growth in the ecosystem.
Full Transcription
Thank you. you what's up guys it's been a while i know uh marco may or may not have a mic.
I don't know. He might be able to get on. I did send you guys an invite.
This is just an impromptu kind of space. I just made it up this morning.
I think we'll maybe we'll see how it goes and maybe we'll start heading in this direction.
But I've been kind of wanting to do just a space just to get people on here.
And I don't know, maybe it might take a while to get it going.
But if you guys can share the space, there's a little share button down there.
You can make another one there.
There's no big agenda here.
Also, I'm working on trying to get my NFT off the marketplace and i'm having a hard time as well so
i see you got the mic
oh oh it is skipping so i could not hear you a little bit what do you say sir
what i could not hear you last time what were you saying What do you say, sir? What?
I could not hear you last time.
What were you saying?
Is my connection bad?
Yes, I think so.
Let me try something different.
Oh, it might be yours.
Marco, thumbs up?
Are we both sounding good?
You're sounding good, too.
Okay. Marco, thumbs up? Are we both sounding good? You're sounding good too now, Wooden.
Okay.
All right.
Well, I was just trying to list and delist,
and I thought I had it figured out,
but I can't seem to get my guy staked again.
So we might have to wait for a meta one.
He's traveling, so I don't know if i i tagged him in there and maybe
i'll try to reach out in our private chat and i'll start messing with the two i kept forgetting but
i can still wait a little bit i can still wait you what i said i said i can still wait a little
bit it's just one i'm talking about staking your crypto
legend and unstaking it remember you put on the market marketplace oh I understand
understand that I can I can still wait a little bit for met a form form it on
not yeah for him to come and speak to me I can still wait a little bit and then we
can try I don't like I guess you can try um i don't like i guess
you can try um disconnecting and connecting i i had to disconnect and connect just to unstake my
my dude so maybe maybe i'll try that one more time and see if uh see if it does anything okay
so you you can also delete your name delete your so right i thought i i thought it was uh revoke the contract
uh let's see johnny what's up we're just kind of uh hanging out no big agenda we're actually
trying to figure out how to um maybe you know how to uh if you list your crypto legend on the
marketplace how can you delist it um and then
stake it again i don't know if you you know but i'll see if you want to get the mic here
i haven't done it but i guess i need to learn how to do it and then uh like i said meta one
is on vacation so we'll find out last thing there but i'm trying to disconnect and reconnect i think yeah see that's how it used
to be is you had to buy it back you might have to pay there might be a couple couple one fee
but i don't want to have to pay the whole 974 i mean i guess you could if you have the 974 one
if you buy it you know you're getting the one back minus the couple one that goes to the um
our marketplace but
i don't think that's the way you have to do it i've never actually tried it to be honest with you
yeah i'm actually glad to be back i've just been away for a long time there work's just been killing me so i'm finally caught up nice it seems like you you get really
busy and then you're able to take a little bit of a break and then you get
really busy yeah just this time of the year it's just absolutely crazy I had
to actually take a second desk to hold the paperwork it was that busy a second
a second desk second desk yeah yeah that was just mental but finally caught up so i'm
i'm back in action again yeah that should be that should be illegal bro good to have you on though
it's freaking market my god looks like it looks like what do you think it's it's crazy i think
um i think we're gonna go up from here for a little while, but I think we're
going to drop way back down.
You think so?
Yeah, I think Bitcoin is going to hit probably 115, somewhere around that. And then I think
we're going back down. I think we're going back down to 93, 94, something like that that before it goes back up yeah before we go back up again I
think there's a lot of liquidity down there yeah yeah I've seen that I guess there's a CMA gap at
like 110 maybe we can at least hit that but yeah maybe oh I guess yeah like you said at least there's
a little chance yeah there's according to Ben Cowan, we're not down to the death line there,
whatever he called it.
We haven't gone all the way home yet on the Bitcoin dominance.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah.
But I'm just so disappointed in Harmony.
Really, really disappointed.
I know, I know.
I mean, it's been tracking pretty close to VET until like the last few days it
kind of lost some serious support you know it's like what the hell man that's that's my gauge as
well as bad as yeah be chin that's how we sort of compare the two yeah because I mean they're so I
mean there's I don't
know they seem similar they're similar price I've been I've been just watching
him for a long time I think that actually has a shit ton more market cap
isn't it it's like a billion plus oh yeah yeah yeah I don't know I don't know
how many tokens they got maybe utility though does yeah we'll see yeah it's
been rough I mean but yeah I. But yeah, all of it.
Not where I thought it'd be.
I guess it's tracking.
I came on in 21, which was kind of maybe an oddball because of the pandemic.
And people are saying it's more like 2017, I think.
Yeah.
Which I wouldn't.
We just have to wait and see.
Wait and see.
Yeah.
It's either going to go up or down or both.
It's just like huh
Oh, I'll keep messing around on here and like I said, I'll I'll reach out to meta one in private
because I know we had it we we had this problem and then
meta one actually built in the feature to be able to delist it without having to buy it, but I don't know how to do it.
I should definitely know how to do that.
I sent you an invite utility, though, if you want to come up.
This is the first week.
I'm not sure.
How do you guys like the name Decentralized?
I don't know.
It could definitely make something more catchy.
It's something I've been kind of wanting to do.
And I'm just going to probably stay on here for a while.
If people want to talk and share the space,
see where everybody's at.
Definitely, obviously,
if anybody has any Cryptoland questions
besides how to delist a CryptoLegend,
we can probably hook you up there.
I think we'll still have like the making coin will be like more like the crypto land focused business you know
informational type I think once a month is there's plenty for that and then
we'll have this other thing it just seems I think I think X is just more of
a logical place to if we want to try to get more people in here but yeah I think
I'm just gonna get on here shoot the hay. I know utility dow has a new feature out. I keep
Almost getting there and then I get sidetracked
I don't know if you want to talk about that, but I think it was and I don't know if it's on testnet or I know it's like a
Test test page or something so but I think it's like a way to maybe a LP viewer
Maybe I'm not sure
I guess I can try to get on real quick I'll do the connecting later let's check
it out live wish a co maniac wish you get a mic dude or just uh get brave and and get your english going on
here i know uh meta one was afraid to speak on there and he has a really good speaking voice
actually so hopefully we'll get you on sometime uh oh i need to actually let me click the
start event on here or maybe i don't have to on here maybe it just goes all right
murder
yeah we got to get somebody else up here that can uh
shoot the shoot the stuff oh he left great maybe i'll come back on with a different mic
okay he's back.
Darn X connections.
There you go.
Getting closer.
There you are.
What's up, bro?
Yeah, not much.
How are you doing?
Good.
Looking for that site.
Is that on mainnet? Yeah, it much. How are you doing? Good. Looking for that site. Is that on mainnet?
Yeah, it's mainnet. There's still a couple of things that need to address.
In short, what it is, it's a portfolio tracker.
You can just input any Harmony address and view their balances of the ERC20 tokens that they
hold, the positions they have
in Uniswap V3 and the
positions in Compound
and I've linked a beta
link in the
Discord which
is just a minimum show of product
there are still a couple of
things I need to address, some numbers don't
aren't correct but product error there are still a couple of uh things i need to address some numbers don't uh
like aren't correct but it's it's basically what you can do with the dbank
but yeah and that's not available anymore so how do you do you have to search for stuff it doesn't just um um populate or whatever uh so if you go to the, like, I don't know if you can open the link right now or...
Yeah, I'm on there.
And it goes on dashboard, right?
Yeah, and if you then just input an address.
Oh, okay.
Okay, let me do that.
Like, so there are still a couple of things that aren't working properly.
For instance, the price fetching for the
one, like W-O-N-E.
Oh, right.
It's pretty slow because it's just proof of concept.
I think I can improve speed tenfold by using multicol.
Multicol? That's it.
Yeah.
Basically, a contract has read functions and write functions.
So let's say an ERC-20 contract,
then you have the write function transfer, right?
So you transfer a token,
but you also have read function balance off and allowance.
So you can just basically read the blockchain state
and see what your balance is.
But every time you read it,
you're sort of doing one call to the RPC.
Now what multi-call does is it sort of bundles
multiple read calls into one call to the RPC.
So, yeah.
Is it more accurate or gets more information, more up-to-date?
It's less calls to the RPC.
So what does that mean?
Like it functions better or better information?
Oh, yeah.
So it's pretty slow right now.
So how do you get the...
So I think I got token balances,
but how do you get your LPs?
Yeah, so that's what I say.
Oh, wait a while.
Still thinking?
Indexing or whatever?
Yeah, especially if you're doing this on an address
that has been pretty active in position creation
and closing,
especially having lots of closed positions.
It's way slower.
So that's where multi-call calls in.
Instead of just fetching one position at a time,
it's fetching 10 at a time.
So it's pretty slow, but it's slowlying like 10 at a time. It's pretty slow, but it's
slowly populating.
It's also happening in your browser.
It's pretty
like I'm not running a server or
tracking it or anything.
Nice. It's cool, man.
I like how you have to add it in there. You don't
disconnect your wallet and it looks. You have to put the address
in there and it goes in fine so you can check. Anybody
can check anybody can check anybody
that's cool yeah so that's the main and then of course I'm going to add like a
button to if you're already connected to use your your own address or basically
if you're connected that it by default notes your own portfolio but you can
yes you can load any portfolio do you have a spot on yours where you connect your wallet
and you can toggle between the one address and the OX address somewhere?
Yeah, maybe add that.
We added it to ours.
If you can add it to yours, I mean, that's like the hardest frigging problem, right,
to get people on and off Harmony.
I don't know if it's Sterling or somebody else.
It's dumb.
Yeah, maybe. It's probably a half an hour job. Really? harmony i think i don't know if it's sterling or somebody else like it's dumb you know yeah
maybe it's probably a half an hour job so like really well probably well i mean for according to you it's just all like yeah i mean they just got to talk to the right person right and just
say get rid of the other format or switch this is this is the format we're using you know i'm sorry
like i i mean i thought like putting a converter on the page, that's like...
Oh, awesome.
Yeah, I mean, just more ways.
Then you could be like, well, you can go here, you can go there,
and send your utilities, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah, so it's an easy one to add.
I'll write it down right now.
I mean, it's easy.
I mean, just the more places.
If it can be everywhere, they're not going to do it. Because, I mean, everybody, right? I mean, just the more places, you know, if it can be every friggin' where they're not gonna, you know, do it.
Because, I mean, yeah, I mean, everybody, right?
That seems, I don't know.
You think they'd make that, like, a huge priority,
like, getting money on and off the chain?
You don't even think.
Well, it's, like,
I sort of get it, though.
Especially, sort of, okay,
like, in a historic sense, it was really normal
to have your own address format and sort of adjusting it to one, like adjusting away from
it. Yeah. It's also not that much of a priority.
But if people, like, they can't get their money back and forth, you know?
I don't know.
I guess they want the people that have the big money that pay people, you know?
They don't have to worry about it.
I don't know.
You know?
I mean, it just seems... I mean, it's been years.
I don't know.
Anyway, did the positions load?
No. This is, like, one of my og wallets also maybe that's a problem but I only have I haven't I don't know I haven't made too many I haven't done too much
stuff on here but has all my tokens all loaded like you know yeah all my all my dust no how do
you how do you do is there supposed to be a toggle toggle between tokens and NFTs? It just says ERC tokens.
Yeah. Okay. So you brought...
Should I refresh?
Well, you could, but do you think that wallet has a lot of NFTs?
No, it doesn't have a lot. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. Let me try a different one
i don't know the issue it's uh
it's it's it's really proof of concept so it's it's just uh uh how do you say it pretty bruise
brute force let's see let's try this
yeah that's probably exactly the problem that's yeah a whole bunch of like NFTs
that I'll probably never ever see again so we'll see yeah I don't think I barely have any on this one.
So we'll see.
And then it should just, whenever it loads, it should just
pop up on the screen, right, and be able to visualize it.
It's good to see everybody.
So we're just going through UtilityDAO's, one of his new features,
where you can look at assets in your wallet because
it's,
it's needed now because it's not available on chain.
So that's cool that you're making it available.
It's,
it's another thing.
Isn't that something that Harmony was talking about doing something similar
to this portfolio?
Yeah,
it's cross chain portfolio tracker.
So like,
this is cross chain too?
This is purely Harmony, no. Oh.
This is purely harmony.
Okay, nice.
Also because like the only need for this is harmony,
sort of.
Because they have, you need the, yeah, I gotcha.
Yeah, because the support is like,
because there's no support on the bank anymore.
Cool, so now it's working.
So now it says other NFTs.
Oh, here, DinaSwap positions.
Sweet, man.
That is fucking cool. That is really cool.
That's really cool.
As you can see, probably
positions with rep one,
the rep one side of the position
isn't accounted for fully.
And I also have to
add the
one balance,
so the amount of harmony isn't taken in as well.
But yeah, just proof of concept.
I love it, man.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I wish they would,
whoever, I don't know if it's proto-fire harmony,
would put that on your positions where
you could see the value of it.
That's the least I think they could do.
You know what I'm saying?
No. I've seen it.
You don't know? Like on Uniswap, if you go to
Uniswap or SushiSwap, if you make an LP
position, not only
can you see it and see that it's in range, but you
can see the value of it whenever you just look at the position.
Yeah. Oh, you mean just in the overview instead of opening see the value of it, like whenever you just look at the position, you know? Yeah. Oh, you mean like just in the overview
instead of opening up the-
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So you wouldn't have to look at it, you know?
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, so then we'll also have to add
the amount of fees that are currently in each position.
I think that's also a pretty good addition.
Oh, yeah, well, yeah, that'd be it.
Yeah, you open up the page.
And also, I'm going to change it so you can bookmark it with your own address.
So you just open up the link.
You view your dashboard.
You see this.
And then if you maybe collect all, too.
all to collect all fees right since we're okay so collect all that what i could do is uh
Collect all fees, right?
Since we're going.
Okay, yeah.
So collect all that.
you collect them individually from within the space so that you don't have to go to
uniflop just all right right here you click collect fees but um
fees but um like collect all that requires some smart contract work this is all purely front end
uh stuff nice yeah i love it i mean yeah it's going through and and reading it so i mean it's
great it's great for that's it's wonderful and you know any kind of utility that's uh
built on harmony one is just you know brings brings joy to me i mean you know i'm saying yeah so
like we initially started because i think maybe maybe it's still buried in the beta
this is this is great for like in case you forgot you forgot you had tokens and stuff.
Another feature maybe you could add on here at some point
is if you had the tokens to be able to copy the contract address.
Also, this was something that I was working on two weeks ago
before the news that they are going to fork Snapshot X.
But if you go to beta.utilityDAO.1 slash DAO maker,
this is just purely some front end bullshit,
but we were working on a voting solution
as well data utility dow one slash you know dow maker d-a-o-m-a-k-e-r
Tweet.
Voting station.
Cool, man.
Nice.
Yeah, it's cool.
It's cool.
I mean, you know,
Edwin talks about it's really challenging on Harmony
because it's all brand new, original stuff.
You can't just copy, you know,
there's not really a real library, right,
to go to to be able to kind of start with.
You kind of got to build all your stuff from scratch, don't you?
Well, partially.
Like, especially with governance,
well, like, the main issue is that, like, a lot of other chains have off-chain indexing services
so be it the graph be it uh like snapshots uh
there that just doesn't exist on army and
on Albany.
that makes it,
especially surrounding governance,
that makes it difficult to track
what are all
the balances during
the snapshot.
Yeah, I mean, that was like
one of our first builds was
our own
governance infrastructure, you know?
And it's pretty cool. And it reads the LPs, which is really nice.
And you don't want people to have to be like,
all right, well, I'm going to pull my liquidity out to go vote, you know?
But are they weighted?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If you have more wage, you have more of a vote.
Okay, and so it's always the amount of wage inside the liquidity positions.
What do you mean well instead of what instead of just just that it's there yeah
yeah it's the amount of wage the secondary token
yeah it doesn't it doesn't count the it just counts the wage that's in the position cool cool
yeah yeah yep yep yep yep and then so ours, so we go through, we,
so we make the, I think, I think he has to know beforehand. I'm not sure.
I don't know. Maybe. Okay. So we,
so anybody that has a CLD or CLD V2 governance NFT,
they can make a proposal and then that goes for a week.
And then after the week is whenever we take the snapshots. But he has to know.
I think one time we forgot to tell him.
I thought it was automated.
So right now it's not automated.
So we have a whole week where we give people notice, whatever they need to do to get wage into whatever wallet.
And then the snapshot's taken.
And then people get a week after that before the result comes out and then
you can yay or nay or abstain. The structure, the thing that we wanted to provide here is
sort of a way for anyone to create votes on anything in the sense that it's sort of, yeah, just anybody can create a snapshot for any token, even if it's not out there yet.
Basically making it easy for any project to start up to have some form of governance.
Oh, badass. Like, do you have the infrastructure where people could use that?
sure where people could use that?
Yeah.
But then the issue is that
the way we want to do
it is by not
using off-chain indexers.
So it's
sort of, yeah, it's a
wacky
thing. Like, purists are going to
say that this isn't a way to run governance
because we're going
to be doing it with just
with front end, with some front end magic instead of taking an actual full snapshot.
But yeah, it's going to be cool.
But does it read tokens?
Yeah.
So what you can do is the entry point is basically somebody wants to create a proposal,
and then they just say, okay, I want to create a proposal for this token, and I want to have a minimum amount of votes to be,
let's say you need to have 100 tokens as a minimum to be able to vote,
and anybody can vote at the block of creation.
So I create a proposal, the block is locked, and then anybody can vote if they meet the conditions.
Nice. At that block?
I see there's one on here.
Is this a beta test?
Yeah, it's just like I was just like it and stuff like i think uh
if you think utility should donate utility should donate the 100k to recovery
oh yeah yeah and match and match blackrock
yeah so that was just like uh i think i did it for Black 6.0 review.
Click on the bridge BRX Omnichain, you'll see that you can add a bit more text and you
can view the ...
Oh, nice.
Different language?
You'll see.
Oh, that's a little bit different.
Yeah, that's just regular, like, filler text.
Oh, nice.
That's cool, man.
Oh, I love it.
That's cool.
I mean, you have to have voting, right?
If you have, you know, I mean, let's be decentralized, man.
Once, you know, you use your tokens on here.
I mean, that's, I don't, I can't wait, you know, until governments use the blockchain.
Then, you know, there's no more of this questioning anything.
It's all verifiable.
Anybody can view it. They can, build you know people have it open source people can build more tools and make it you know awesome i mean and and you know yourself and crypto landau
you know we're building some of the tools that might eventually get implemented in there, you know? Well, probably not.
Because like you can see it in the dashboard
and in this voting station is that it's,
like our products are basically just to provide
a bit more utility to,
in an ecosystem where there is a lot.
Like the bigger projects on other,
like just if you get funded and you become a bigger project
on a different chain, yeah, then you're a business.
You've got a couple of people working for you.
You can do all these functions as a part of your development
cycle. But on on harmony that that just
isn't the case so yeah but that also changes the way you have to uh like uh if you're big enough
you can just run your own indexer and you can get blockchain data really quickly.
If you're small and you don't want to be dependent on that,
then it's a bit more difficult.
But that's also where the blockchain ethos sort of is, right?
So to not be dependent on what single, singular groups.
Yeah, I mean, if you have, you can have, you know,
if there's multiple ways to vote, you know,
then you can definitely, you know,
it's harder to cheat per se, you know,
you can maybe get different perspectives
from different communities.
Well, it's like, let's say like a relevant,
like a relevant subject like Harmony Recovery,
you can easily create a proposal that allows anybody with DPAC assets to vote.
And you can easily have infrastructure so you can see real-time data of what's going on with the recovery partner.
I think that's needed.
Yeah, you can just track bullets.
You can track the amount recovered.
All these things are trackable.
And on Harmony, it's just a bit more difficult.
Because you have to basically build a lot of the infrastructure, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
BeraX, man, I'd try to invite you up.
Definitely come on up.
I am Lotus, Sterling, Ramos.
I think it's your birthday.
Raven's on the Harmonauts.
Just X account over there.
Soma.
We're just kind of just here.
There's no real infrastructure.
I appreciate everybody being here, though.
If you want to share the space, we can grow.
I've been I kind of created this like just only a couple hours ago just to kind of see how it goes.
And I think, you know, I think it's we kind of tried it before.
I pivoted back because I had to do like a lot of documentation but i think i'll just do like one
organized you know kind of crypto land dow focused a month and then something whether
it's called decentralized or if somebody has a better name definitely open to suggestions there
and you know it doesn't have to be you know as harmony specific as maybe it can be more you know, it doesn't have to be, you know, as Harmony specific as maybe it can be more,
you know, more trying to grow the space and grow the community. And eventually, and for us,
we're trying to look for ways or people that might be into other social media. You know,
I'm maxed out if somebody wants to get onto Instagram or Snapchat or whatever,
wherever,
wherever people might be,
you know,
because it seems like we've taken from taking our internal poll,
you know,
I think like there was a couple of referrals,
but most people just found out on X,
you know,
so if we can try to branch out at some time,
if anybody has ideas,
but definitely getting over here to X,
I think, is more potential for getting new people.
Even getting people just to Discord
is kind of an onboarding problem.
Anybody want the mic?
Go ahead and request it.
Nothing's too super formal going on here.
If I can ask one thing to everybody that's in this call right now, is that both CryptolandDAO and UtilityDAO have posted a proposal on the talk forum where we propose to become active partners in the recovery effort.
Now, the responses on the forum aren't that, like like there's a lot of response so it
would be a great help if if you could just log into the forum read the
proposal provide your opinion and that way we'll have some backing we can move
on yeah definitely definitely awesome yeah I guess so just want to see where Yeah, definitely. Definitely awesome. Yeah, definitely. Hey, what's up, Raven?
Yeah, hi guys. So just want to see where is the form located?
So if there's any link that can post to look at the proposal?
Oh, the talk.harmony.one, but I'll share it in, or you can look in CLD links in the CryptoLando.
I'll tag you, I guess, real quick.
I'll tag you real quick.
And then I'll put it on-
It's been a long time I've been through, yeah, so that's right.
Good to have you back.
I think there aren't a lot of posts
on talk.harmony.one at the moment.
So if you go to the page there, I
think we are the top two in governance section like there are two proposals
yeah sure i look at that thank you
Yeah, I'm grabbing it now. I'll make an ex-post and I'll pin it in here.
yeah i'm grabbing and now i'll make a um x post and i'll pin it in here
Yeah, and something else on utility doubt that we haven't really put that much attention to,
except for a singular ex-post, but it's now possible to bridge euros from base to harmony.
So if you're interested in using euros instead of us dollars you can
it's uh the ticker is uh you your c on uh on harmony and it's just like the circle
your c on uh on base
they can bridge it through utilitydial.1 slash bridge.
And then where is it?
So there's liquidity on swap.1?
Yeah, but it's like
at the moment, I think it's
like $1,500
of total liquidity.
That's good for
a Harmony asset.
Yeah, but it's like zero volume yet.
But yeah, if that's your cup of tea to be arbitraging between bass and Harmony, or to
play on different stable coins than this way
all right i got the uh proposal pinned and on the top for one of them you can definitely do
one if you want to as well uh it's in cld discord under cld links um i've had it pinned on the top for one of them. You can definitely do one if you want to as well. It's in CLD Discord under CLD links.
I've had it pinned on the profile.
Yeah, it's cool that they are building it.
Hopefully, I think they were trying to have it done by now.
Or maybe before, I guess, Tuesdays in a couple of days.
So that's when the funds are supposed to be.
So for anybody who doesn't know, the funds are supposed to be,
well, let me start a little bit back. So on the recovery thing,
HIP 30 V2 was allowed, you know, everybody voted.
We still had voting infrastructure valid validators voted for against, and we got enough votes to be able to take 25% of the annual emissions, which is approximately 110 million won per year.
And those emissions are currently going to a 507, excuse me, multi-sig, which is the recovery of multi-sig custodians. So when we started, we had two recovery partners,
Medulo and Recovery One.
Medulo gradually quit being competitive.
We didn't have Tranquil.
I know there was originally,
but I'm saying whenever this proposal went live
and we were responsible,
we only had two and it was 50- um 50 so and so this you know doing
the math it's about nine to ten million one per month depending on where the tuesday falls
you might have a short month or a long month so anyway there's we're doing 50 50
medullo quit so medullo used the one or one and recovery use stable coins.
So I won't go into too much of that, but we've sent 50, 50 Medulo quit being competitive.
So went 75, 25. And then what happened? We, we, um, developed some governance.
You know, this is a volunteer position, the RMC. Um, but we said if Medulo got to be,
volunteer position the rmc but we said if medullo got to be to have as much funds as we had for the
recovery round so between nine and ten million one then we would go 100 uh recovery one until
he wasn't able unless until they weren't able to get rid of their funds basically um but um but with the price of one and some other things going on,
you know, people are coming up with other ideas.
You know, Cryptoland Dell stepped up.
We want to offer several different ways.
Maybe we could have a vote to see who likes what
or maybe just have several options,
but we want to make it front and center
and empower the community for what they wanna use.
We don't wanna charge anything.
If people hopefully come to Cryptolandow
and choose to use the recovery infrastructure,
then maybe the rollover will just compensate for it.
So that's where we're at.
We currently have like three or four ideas on there,
but we're open to anything. If people have ideas, you know,
there's more than two ways to, um, to recover assets.
Um, so that's, that's ours. And then I think utility now,
if you want to talk to, um,
I know you wanted to potentially do something like tranquil where it's just
kind of smart contract, just buying, buy and sell and burn defect assets.
Just, just you fill the contract.
It does its thing and you could see in real time, right?
I don't know if you wanted to talk about that and we can get back to,
I kind of got sidetracked.
It's, it's definitely a good topic to get on and talk about the recovery.
Cause I, and one last thing, I mean, I think,
I know Harmony doesn't want to talk about it,
but everybody talks about it anyway. So, I mean, he might last thing, I mean, I think, I know Harmony doesn't want to talk about it, but everybody talks about it anyway.
I mean,
he might as well,
I think,
I think he should try to leverage it,
you know,
if possible,
but that's my two cents.
Yeah.
So it's our opinion that the most efficient way is just like the most honest and efficient way is just to buy the impact assets over time
and we've seen like over the couple of of years that especially when it comes to
uh the the the point where humans have to make decisions that that that's that's a point where friction uh starts so whether that is the choice of giving uh
r1 more funds than modulo whether that's the choice for modulo to remain at a certain price
point or whether that's the choice of r1 to suddenly start buying back assets, losing percentages on central exchanges.
So the need we see in recovery is for a partner that just
consistently buys the DPAC assets, consistently reports
on any transaction it makes. i mean we're working on
a public ledger everything is is uh is viewable for everybody there's no reason not to use that
that part so um fully transparent fully automated uh that's what we want to see so we've proposed to sort of take the place tranquil had in
the beginning of recovery where it was a partner that just bought back assets from the market
directly and burned them so no waiting for the market to change or maybe next week it's higher or lower. I mean, if there's a way, it's people. It's the human condition, right?
If there's a way to, I don't know, financially gain,
people might or probably will eventually jump on it.
The biggest reason against using such a system
is that you could say people start to gamify it
because you sort of know that there's going to be
consistent buying pressure. But we all know that there's going to be consistent buying pressure but we
all know that that's already happening and right now there's a small group profiting more of that
than it should like even if this system is if you can exploit this system it's highly competitive
and that's why i think even just having two or three or four or, you know, I guess
I don't want too many because it'd be hard to track maybe at some point, but having more than
one, you know, I think is healthy, you know, an option, you know? Yeah, exactly. So yeah, we,
we just want to take the most, like our proposal is, I think,
We just want to take the most, like our proposal is, I think,
you can sort of summarize it in full automation,
no human factor, monthly allocation, daily buybacks.
That's it.
Nice.
I don't have mine in front, but we had talked about was to have have an exchange
similar to the recovery exchange but have the one so we don't have to you know everything again like
like utility I said it's the open ledger that's the very least that that recovery solution could
have is that everybody can see what's going on in real time, you know, whether it's UIs available or people that know how to check wallets can do,
can do that. You know, that's a different story, you know,
because the infrastructure would have to be made, but why,
why not use that, you know? But anyway,
a couple of our ideas were to have the one exchange and then but there could be I don't know
there could be variables but there could be a chance where you just get the
exchange rate or you could get like a multiplier like two or three times maybe
that that amount maybe we might do that instead of doing like a Friday update
and changing the changing the amount you know but I'd kind of want to do that too
but I don't know I don't know that it's kind of up in there and I don't want to
put all that much thought into it because I want to see if it's even gonna
come to fruition whatsoever you know or get feedback and see what direction to
meet the community wants to go but the other another one we had was that people
could do kind of like a bond. So they could take their assets
and basically stake it into this contract
and then crypto land out recovery.
So we might even need like a different branch,
but then we could do like airdrops.
So people could agree,
maybe there could be a different percentage.
Again, there's lots of different variables there for that one.
And, gee, I can't remember the third one right now.
I have to look at the proposal.
But, you know, we're open to lots of different ways to do this.
You know, I mean, I just, yeah, I just think, A, more than one is necessary,
whether that's two, three, ten, whatever, um, that's debatable. Um, and again,
um, we also have a, um, open, um, recovery telegram. So people can go into there, um,
reach out if you're interested in that. Um, I don't know the easiest way to get to there,
but that's, it's for any, the reason that I made was to, A, have a spot where people can come that's not gated, you know, so people can come in there.
A lot of people have all kinds of questions, whether it's they're coming back and they have the old Chrome extension wallet or I know utility to help people get their staked.
helped people get their staked recovery R1 tokens out.
It's just a place, you know,
a safe place for people to come and ask questions.
And it has all the recovery partners in there.
So it's a pretty good resource.
It's just called Recovery Solutions.
Again, I could share that sometime.
I'm kind of on a janky connection,
so I don't like to leave here too often.
Yeah, I mean, I think that the community, you know, empower the community.
And if you can get the community involved into something that they want to partake in, I think you could maybe accelerate the process, you know.
But that's where we're at.
I'll shut up for a second on that one.
I mean,
and this is open to this is a,
anybody can come.
This isn't just a crypto land specific,
but I'm really cool.
I'm really proud that a utility dial brought that up that,
cause I mean,
that's super important.
That's one of the,
you know,
I think right now you have the staking one tokens recovery,
you know,
crypto and I was building some stuff utility dials building. And there's a couple of small projects and small tokens that recovery, you know, Cryptoland DAO is building some stuff, Utility DAO is building,
and there's a couple of small projects and small tokens that are hanging out, but
it's cool to get everybody in here. Yeah, I think, you know, I think that's a big part of the DAO
is empowering the community. Sorry, I can already see some people reacting on the proposal is great. Awesome.
I know this is CLD space, but please also check out the utility
DAO proposal. I think both of them
should be. Yeah, share it if you can.
Definitely. I'm not trying to gank it
either. I just made that up while we're on
the call, and I support it.
We pinned it in the recovery channel.
We're on the
same chain.
That's a big part of why I'm a Harmony Max channel. I mean, we're on the, we're on the same chain. So any of the, you know, that, and that's a big part of why I'm like a Harmony Maxi, right? I fell into this.
I've been here the whole time. So why not try to support, you know, I believe in what's going on.
I believe in what we're doing and what the community is doing. The communication is a
little, a little rough, but I mean, if there's anybody, I mean, like I was trying to say, I mean,
that's, there's not that many projects going on.
So if we can support anybody that's listening, if you want to come on and be part of this space or
have ideas, try to be approachable. I think we're going to try to have a Tuesday meeting,
which the time could be variable. But if there's interest know we can do screen sharing in the discord for anybody
that's interested but i think i think that's really important you know a lot of people
that's a hard onboarding problem as well as people a lot of people learn by doing so even if you
wanted to come in and pop up the talk.1 and just read it aloud or something like that you know but
yeah i'm just,
I'm happy for, for, I'm happy that you, that you put the proposal and BRX put one in as well. So,
um, options is good and community response is good. And that's awesome that people are
replying on there. And you said, you said it's under, under a governance section in the talk.one
too. I'm not really proficient with using that. So if you wanted to talk about that, I mean, go on. And this isn't really a CLG space. This is a tenacious hosting from this
account because I think we get more exposure, but this is anything. So again, this isn't like a
business meeting. This is anything crypto related. It can be Harmony. It could be Bitcoin. I started
Bitcoin mining a couple months ago someone suggested
doing a lottery ticket type thing and solo mining and now i'm doing farm mining so i'm kind of hooked
on it but yeah this is any anything goes uh d5 d5 sometimes we even get more sidetracked but
yeah anybody can request mike
Cool, yeah.
We should just try to get as much engagement on the governance side of Harmony as possible.
We've got a group of people here that's been turning up every week for these kinds of calls and to stay up to date, like it would be great if those people also become active in decision-making
and sort of force that because on one end,
we're sort of always live or a lot of people are always asking,
oh, what's the Harmony team going to do?
And, but through governance, we have a pretty big vote.
So like if we can show that as a community
there's governance happening,
that's going to attract way more people
than the way the talk forum just looks right now.
And I think these two proposals are a great step.
I think those are the first two proposals
since the HIP32.
Yeah, probably.
Get some people.
Because there hasn't been a need to vote for anything for a really long time.
But there's lots of things to vote.
Because there are a lot of voices going on around,
like, do we still need recovery?
We should all just buy Bitcoin instead of selling it for one.
And these discussions sort of die out and sort of rise up in another, like in a telegram,
and then it dies again.
And then in a Discord, it pops up again.
But through the forum, we can sort of get together,
form an opinion, vote on it.
That's preferable, but at least have it
sort of concentrated in one place.
And then just, how do you say it?
Just do it.
Get a bit of consensus.
Yeah, yeah.
So like with these two proposals,
I think we've set the first step,
then it's sort of looking at is snapshot,
how quick is snapshot X going to be there?
And also how easy is it for like communities to create a space to
create proposals etc depending on that we should
yeah just do more i also have a um i created a a private recovery discord and you know maybe maybe i'll um i don't
know i guess i can do whatever i want but i mean maybe i'll i'll open it up you know i mean it has
a lot of private areas in it yeah but also like i mean because i mean some people like discord
and some people like telegram, you know.
It would also be cool if you could, like, you probably are in RMC, Telegram, or Discord.
It would be cool to urge those people to respond to the forum as well.
So, yeah, well, yeah, yeah.
They're all in there, too.
All the RMC are in there.
Theo's in there. Aaron's in there.
RM Recovery 1 is in there.
I think that's it. Oh, and Affirmation and
Meta 1 because they were kind of going to be the second
ambassadors, but it's all through. But I think, I don't know.
I mean, why? It doesn't get much volume. What it is,
there's a private RMC Telegram,
and then we had the need, because we had to talk to these other
recovery partners, so it was either have 15
I'm exaggerating, but many, many Telegram
private groups, or just have a Discord.
And I like Discord because it's a lot easier to file information and keep it accessible.
So then I just had to use the different roles.
And there's different – every recovery kind of partner has their own role, and they can see their own little section in there.
And it's not like CryptoLand.
There's only 10 channels or something maybe but at least everybody in that space you know um for people that have been around or people you know she's people asked or something
you know on uh talk.one or there'd have to be some kind of gate. I wouldn't want to totally make it open, you know,
but I think for people, I don't know,
or maybe it should stay closed, you know,
and then maybe just have official recovery partners.
I don't know.
I mean, it's up for debate.
I'm just in favor of communication, you know.
I know there are some people that want to talk up here.
We've got a lot of people in here.
Good to see everybody.
Rosa G, Trider, Johnny, Marco, I'm Lotus, Blackrock, Arminas Doubt, Thoma, Wooden, Tilly Doubt, Cryptoland Doubt.
Good to see everybody.
Definitely can't say enough how much we appreciate, or I appreciate everybody showing up.
And we're definitely stronger together.
But if you can go on to the talk.one, especially since we don't have voting right now,
if people comment on there, that's kind of the governance that we have.
And I guess something that I was going to say is being around Harmony for a long time,
it seems like they kind of tried to build the infrastructure and have some different leads that people can kind of grab the ball and run with it.
So, you know, the infrastructure is there, you know, if we can use that and come together and form some kind of agreement to better the chain, you know, and get backing from the community, you know, it goes a long, long ways.
So, you know, the infrastructure is there.
If anybody has other things to talk about, this is any kind of blockchain topics is good.
It could be any multi-chain.
It could be your journey.
It could be questions about how to onboard.
It can be any of that stuff, pitfalls.
If there's any kind of guardrails we can give people to not go down
i think that's another one of the onboarding nightmares you know people have to learn
what not to do the hard way so many times so it's nice to be able to
save people you know a little bit when possible you know i i think i i'm one of those people that
had to learn the hard way for for a big part of my. So I appreciate if there was an easier way.
Also, any kind of ideas for the name, if you like Decentralize,
if you don't like the name Decentralize,
if you have ideas for other type of topics for trying to get a bigger audience,
so trying to grow. Also, I guess I can
throw on here, since it kind of stalled out, we are doing the base launch. We have a very,
very, very tentative date of September 6th, 4.20 p.m., I think, QTC. I think that's going to be the time that we do that. It'll be in ETH. Some of the basic
infrastructure is built over there. We left some of the mechanics. It'll be very similar to the
launch that we had over here. There'll be halvings. There'll be an emission. There'll be
certain procedural steps of how the launch goes I think one one big thing that we
will do differently is we'll have the emissions for X amount of time I don't know six hours ten
hours a day where we can actually add the liquidity prior to the launch because that was really, really hard last time trying to buy the NFTs
and create liquidity in real time while people are buying and selling.
We just want to try to be a little more stable in that position.
I think we'll also have it, we may or may not um have it bridgeable prior to that so it might be
on both chains at that time so again yeah very very early stages we have the um it'll also it
won't there won't be four nfts they'll just be the one ft nft we have that created um so we're going
to be you know reaching out mainly i mean to start off with we'll be reaching out in the flip suite
discord and we're starting to use more of the
flip suite infrastructure with the base wage i know somebody had a question earlier and they
were on here i think they left left now but um some of that stuff's confusing um but i think if
we link up and get into their discord and i'm not sure they also have an ai um discord bot but i
don't know if it's maybe just lives in their discord but it's really cool you can actually use their infrastructure to
make swaps and I think go sometimes you can go cross-chain in in their
infrastructure which is kind of fun but yes we have that going upcoming very
tentative we'll see I think the market hopefully should be in a good spot by
then we'll see as the time gets closer if we can stick to
that date but this one to kind of throw it out there that nine six is the date we're kind of
shooting for but if nobody wants to come up that is understandable I think we'll all go ahead and
make the space you can make these up to a month ahead of time so I'll make the space and and then yeah I think we'll just move towards this on Sundays and if people need or have a need for
screen sharing we could do that on Tuesdays I think that's also a valuable tool I think Bones up here. What's up, man? Yeah, sorry. I ran a little late, but I just wanted to get in.
I wanted to say that this Crypto Landau, before it was that, Tenacious and a few of us have
been on the Harmony Chain for a good minute and it was
an exciting time last bull run but it was very kind of like when you're new to it very hectic
not really sure what you want to do i kind of made more more uh bad moves than good moves but
learned from it and i'm stoked about this one around now that we have this dow that
has people that can come to and be able to talk about things, ask questions.
We've got more answers now. A lot of people with actual wisdom experience through it.
So I'm just kind of more, yeah, I'm excited about this bull run that we have a lot more tools to be able to be used and more things on the chain.
tools to be able to be used and more things on the chain.
So I just wanted to put my two cents in on that and appreciate everything that a lot
of people have been doing constantly being here every week for the last few years.
All the support.
So, yeah.
Awesome.
Yeah.
I'll take that any day.
Yeah.
It's great to actually have a few people
that have been here you know last time was kind of like we're all a lot of our discords have around
like the june july august uh entry date of 21 you know you could tell when retail arrived right
but yeah it's cool that we have people now established you know and i think that's one one of the hopefully one of the good things that we have for this upcoming launch is we have some some history.
You know, I guess for people that don't know a little history.
So Cryptoland DAO was kind of the Harmonauts DAO prior to this.
And then we just kind of brought both the DAOs together.
uh brought both the dowels together um so you know um and then and even prior to that so i mean
what the reason i even joined um discord is because of the harmonauts dow the launch i think
that was june or july of 2021 and we ended up making our own discord and we and then in the
end of 2022 we had like 50 bucks or 100 bucks.
So we created the hog token and we kind of did an organic launch there,
very slow, slow growth.
But that's been going slowly for several years now.
But now it's been official the last 12 or 13 months where we've been actually,
well, we had a multi-sig back then too, but we were doing multi-chain,
multiple multi-sigs, a bunch more liquidity,
a bunch more responsibility. And I think something that I thought of today in the shower was,
I think one of my next moves will be to create more of a long-term multi-sig. So
hopefully governors in the CLD or anybody can can reach out and I think we'll do
like a five of set five of nine or something like that where we have like long-term liquidity
which is just right right now we have it kind of set so we do we actually do all of the activity
that goes on for crypto landau is done through the mult-sig. So any, and he can't like,
you can't unstake like a thousand and make an unstake, but you can't send,
you know, multiples.
What I'm trying to say is we have to do a lot of transactions pretty often.
So it's nice to have like a smaller threshold of signers,
but I think maybe for security and visibility and I don't know other,
other unforeseen.
I think it might be beneficial to have like a,
a long-term liquidity so that maybe people just, yeah, it's, it's just there.
Nothing needs to be touched for a long time. It's more secure. You know,
if you have to have five of nine agree and it wouldn't have to be,
that could be like maybe per quarter or per vote.
Like you don't even touch it unless there's a um a vote
to do something with it you know something like along those lines but that was something i was
thinking of today just uh just to make it more you know like we were talking about earlier take
more of the human factor out um you know if it make it a multi multiple human factor security
i think um that'd be a way to way to go i mean I think we're at three or four multi-sigs now,
but to have one with a bunch more signers,
I think might be a move in the right direction.
But yeah, definitely on this, on this role,
we're on having some, some people that we can go to,
not, not all strangers coming through, you know,
we might not be a butt ton of people, but we're tight.
We've been, been many years now.
I appreciate everybody coming and
showing up. And if you want to go to the talk.harmony1, that'd be fantastic. If you like
it, don't like it, whatever. I mean, that's the thing, right? If people don't like it, that's
great too. Then why build it if people don't even want to use this stuff? So any kind of response
is a good response on there. Totally. But yeah, thanks for coming up, Bones.
Again, these moving forward, I mean, they can be definitely 100% can be a crypto land down.
And they could be anything else.
And they could be multi-chain.
It's nice to come here and not have to be all official and, all, uh, official and have it all documented.
That takes a lot of time doing all the documentation and stuff and being all professional and junk
like that.
So as a BlackRock says, we can kind of, this hopefully has to be more of like a let your
hair down kind of space, but, um, I guess we're, we're at about an hour.
So again, I appreciate everybody here.
Um, I'm kind of down for doing a long space.
If anybody wants to do that, reach out and we can do it. We can come from any other X accounts,
whatever. I just want to kind of get on, get the momentum going.
But seeing that we're all pretty much crypto land people,
I don't want to keep everybody too long, but so happy weekend.
Come say hello in the discord. We're trying to get the juice going,
trying to get momentum going.
It's hard with people,
you know,
it's hard,
but it's also awesome dealing with people from around the world 24 seven.
But I think,
yeah,
I think we're,
we're,
we're kind of organized and get more organized and,
and let's keep the momentum going,
all that kind of fun stuff.
So I guess we'll,
we'll see you in the discord and we'll reach out,
reach out and reach out and share and share so appreciate you guys talk to you later
