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Decentralized Dawn: ep.1 Crypto, NFTβs, Music on X
Recorded: Jan. 26, 2026 Duration: 2:30:21Space Recording
Short Summary
The 'Decentralized Dawn' podcast launches to bridge the gap between Web2 and Web3 artists, highlighting partnerships with musicians like Mr. Wonderful. The conversation explores the current crypto market trends, the potential for artists to monetize through NFTs, and the challenges of declining trust in the NFT space.
Full Transcription
Thank you. good morning welcome to decentralized dawn i am jules monday january 26 8 a.m pst
uh this is episode one this is episode one we are gonna get into it and see what happens here uh
This is episode one. We are going to get into it and see what happens here.
Music playing when it shouldn't be playing yet, but that's all right.
So the idea here, yeah, we know so many musicians, artists on X2 and all kinds of things,
both in the Web 2 world and the Web 3 world.
I'm here to try and bridge that gap between the two sides of music spaces
and hopefully build this place, whether that's web two sales or, you know,
driving people to band camp and different streaming platforms for,
for musicians and artists in web two,
or some somewhat of a marketplace for NFTs on X in web three and get to some
support to these musicians that we know and love that give us so much on X.
So yeah, good morning.
That being said, I'm just going to run a track.
I will get into, you know, market overview and these things.
I think more kind of just play that by conversation.
I'll do a quick overview.
I'm not going to go into details of TA unless people really kind of show some interest in
that, even though that is my forte day trading and doing some TA on coins.
So if you're listening to the recording
and that's your thing,
you know, if the conversation goes there,
I'm happy to do that as well.
But going to keep them short,
going to keep them sweet
and kind of just art-centric and focused
and more, yeah, like, yeah, anyway,
that's all I'm going to,
that's my icebreaker for this morning.
Going to run this track here and then keep, I don't know.
Oh, voice ice. I'm up and I'm down, my feet on the ground, my head in the clouds, they're bringing me down, yeah.
They're bringing me down, they're bringing me down.
My feet on the ground, my head in the clouds, they're bringing me down, yeah.
Lag on the coma, I put the gutter shit, we on some other shit, they don't know what it is, man.
We're running out, I don't want none of it, I need some fun with it, I'll just get down with it, yeah.
I see a blunt, I'm a stunner for bitching a gun, yeah.
One by one, we gon' run to the blonde, I'm a star, I'm a bitch and a girl, yeah One man, why don't we go run with us?
Ready to love when we coming up?
Can they just humble me?
I'm lucid, see from me
Want you to pursue me, yeah
Feet on ground and in clouds
There's no bringing me down
Down, it's so serene
Living in a dream
With my eyes closed
Tell me what I feel Oh No bringing me down, no bringing me down. My feet on the ground, my head in the clouds,
no bringing me down, yeah.
Lag in the coma, I'm a good brother.
We on some other shit, they don't know what it is.
I'm running out, I don't want none of it.
I just have fun with it, I'll just get done with it, yeah.
Wish me a blunt, I'm a strong, I'm a good girl, yeah.
One by one, we gon' run at us, reddest,
cause love when we coming up.
Coming up late nights as this child was fun to us.
And when I think what they done to us, which be great now to find when there was none for us, for the love of us. We coming up But you would stay if I could ball You was blame I got the call You insane, you not my dog
You lose too much, you can't be the champion
I had Charlene coming from my phone
I feel like I'm Andy Hamilton, you heard the lyrics I spit
I'm sensitive about my
The plastic flowers make sense
Cause y'all ain't there, am I
Hello, too cool for O2
They play the game with no rules
You see the things I go through, there ain't too much they won't do
Go ahead, you just on you, I'm out I'm in, I'm out. I'm out. I'm out.
I'm up and I'm down.
My feet on the ground, my head in the clouds,
bringing me down.
Bringing me down.
Bringing me down.
I'm wonderful.
This is a new one from Mr. Wonderful.
Mr. Wonderful.
Yeah, I like this one.
Yeah, this is another Web3 artist doing things on the blockchain as well as Web2.
So that's the idea here.
Play one more and we'll get into it again. As a young boy I have no fun boys
We have no love joy
I'm too slipping that boy
How we all have lost the kids having girls and seven boys
Bunch of first cousins raised like sisters and, cause that crack epidemic destroyed our fathers and mothers,
and not just us, the whole family stuff, and 20 people, one crib, can't get any rough,
I can't forget Elaine Smith, goddammit, she loves us, and I know she crying down,
smiling down from her brothers, look at her babies, a bunch of gentlemen ladies,
raising their babies, for we be products of the 80s
Oh, man, I have no idea what I just did.
I was playing that off of the timeline on X.
Oh, man.
I was just thinking in my head, too,
that I'm going to have to, like, learn how to use X
and my computer and the phone and everything, like,
simultaneously at the time of running and hosting these spaces.
And obviously, that was an immediate fail and my computer and the phone and everything like simultaneously at the time of running and hosting these spaces.
And obviously that was an immediate fail to the first freaking song I tried to play in the space, which is really funny
because I played that out of the notification.
So yeah, that's Mr. Wonderful.
I was trying to figure out how to tag his,
to put that into the space through,
like to the top of the space through my PC at the same time
and I somehow stopped the song. That's okay. We get back into that one that's mr wonderful so he's a he's
someone who actually reached out and um to the call to action that i put out so if you are an
artist in this space and you have music that i can play and run here that's the idea send it to me
uh and i will get it into a rotation so i'm going to treat this like kind of a radio show
in the mornings um so that is Mr. Wonderful.
Check him out.
I am still trying to figure out how to navigate this on my PC to the space.
I don't know why that just glitched up.
But yeah, that I will sort out.
Like I said, I've been kind of procrastinating doing a morning space like this for a while.
I know I flirted with one for a bit last year and it went fairly well.
So trying to take a different approach,
make it more kind of, you know, radio based with the conversation as well.
And play more music and try to blend all these spaces
with all this music and all this talent that's on X
and hopefully curate some sort of a playlist radio show
as well as a marketplace for artists to monetize,
hopefully, you know what I mean?
Whether that's Bandcamp, like I said,
or NFTs or someone like Ebber,
who's probably doing both visual and audio art,
I would say, you know, music, and that goes with her visuals
too.
So yeah, I really want to, yeah, that's what I can do.
I got a little bit of time in the mornings.
That's what I can do to give back to the community that gives me so much of their time and talent
because I really have just enjoyed the listeners of music spaces for so long at Treat It Like
Radio. So this is what
i can do to get back hopefully put on a morning show and promote all these people we know and love
so much uh but i do want to blend that with some crypto education like i said i've been also in
involving cripo now this is going into year six for me uh you know and dabbled but before that but i would not like nothing to write home
about before that just um you know figuring it out uh really but um yeah so for all of those who
don't know anything about nfts and blockchain in these music spaces i'm here to help you with that
i'm not just going to ramble into it you know what i mean but um you know if the conversation
comes up grab a mic you want to come up you want to ask these questions um and just my my overall you know thoughts opinions
where you should be or what you should do or what's a good way to to get started um you know
i know there's there's probably a lot of people in the crypto scene you know possibly that i know
that might not like my space because i'm gonna tell you not to fucking go and buy anything out there really it's all shit
it's really most of it's garbage um the only thing that I hold you know I hold one I hold one community
token uh and it's vine and it's backed by one is one of the biggest social media developers
in history if you're familiar with with the vine video app from from 10 years ago
and that's a that's a high risk play that is still underwater so i mean that for me is still
high risk i wouldn't even tell you to go and buy that one at this point but uh you know bitcoin
bitcoin is worth considering bitcoin is worth learning about uh you know and like i said yeah
it's worth considering it's worth learning about that. That's all I'll go into there until these, you know, conversations spark up.
But overall crypto market for us now, just under $3 trillion to $2.96.
So this is the all-time high back from 2021.
So really a struggle here.
And Bitcoin is the only reason that the market has got back to that market cap sitting at
just under $90K, you know, well, $87.
If we want to be specific, we can say that.
But again, I'm not going to go
into massive details unless that conversation sparks. I kind of want to focus more on the music
and the art. So again, that was Mr. Wonderful. One of the few notifications that came in to get
some music played through here. We'll see if anything else has come up. This is Carol.
Carol.
That's funny.
Autocorrect must have hit that.
This is so amazing seeing everyone's PFP.
Carol looks beautiful.
You all look beautiful.
This is so cool.
Keep going, man.
Yeah, cool.
Thank you, Regina.
I'm guessing that was autocorrect that got you for Kara's name.
Calling her Carol there.
But yeah, these PFPsPs this is cool too like this
you know the love I got on these PFPs I appreciate you know what I mean like it wasn't in it somebody
asked if it was an NFT project it's not this is just you know uh started as a little joke one
night in the space people someone grabbed my PFP and made it look like we were looking at each other
as the co-hosts and it sparked a lot of people getting some version or, you know, personalized branded version of their, of my, of my PAP.
So it's actually kind of funny.
But thank you.
I appreciate that.
Yeah, man.
I'm going to keep these short.
Like I said, I wanted to see what other notifications came up.
This was actually probably a bad week to start.
Like, especially the end of this month. I'm super busy busy i don't even think i can do this time tomorrow morning
actually but um we're gonna we're gonna wing it we're gonna wing it and keep it going
um yeah so as far as the music goes like i said uh if you have it send it my way i want to play
it here if you have visual art ever bird like i said feel free to send it my way. I want to play it here. If you have visual art, Everbird, like I said, feel free to send it my way.
And I want to create segments that will throw some light to these things.
And if I have heard your music in spaces and I've met you in spaces,
good chance I'll probably run your music in spaces.
And if you don't want me to run it in spaces, you can can hit me up and tell me not to and I will respect that but I doubt that
will happen for people out here so that being said I'm going to run a new one that I have just mixed
for Thanos Crypto Cam and Phantom of the Swapra. This is actually a really fun joint. I think this one's good.
It's called We Again.
We got one right here.
Phantom.
Let it breathe. This is what we're saying. Safe love. It's bleeding. Weeping. Oh.
They move for applause while I plan for the shade.
I won't fit.
I built quiet systems while they burned out just to fit.
Watch the hype flare like it mattered long term it did.
A man who plants trees under shade will never sit.
Their talk is inflated but the proof's in the path when it's tested.
I measure conviction and actions, I'm flexing dimensions. You quote like a prophet but move like regret when it's threatened. I Two satoshis worth more than your whole foundation. Hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up. Hold up, hold up, hold up.
We can't help build your body.
Some feel guided, so we're blinded.
Some people promise we're pregnant.
Same breath, different questions.
No clear line, no command.
Just this moment where we stand.
We say it's all.
Baby, we can. Just this moment, stay in the yellow, y'all. Stay in the yellow, stay in the yellow.
We can, oh.
Mm, adopt the weed, oh, this king wrestling.
They try to gas us up, they watch us crash on them.
Led Zeppelin.
Back to the corner, not even using our best weapons.
Right sections, but when we link, it take like less seconds.
We the union, we deep, like a Korean, I preach.
From podiums, I teach.
Yet I'm a student, we speak and confidence can't peak, from out the ruins in the city that really never sleep, we like a nuisance, strength and numbers is key, but I could do it when some said I was a fool for love, like love is foolish, had to put away the vanity, it's about humanity, and God bless the child for taking the sanity, and thank God for family making a man in me.
And a phantom from the cloth will make you a canopy.
Just because you would think we don't see the evil.
And you clearly lost with fame and Cecilia.
We the people.
That's We Again by Thanos.
This is Mela B.
Another one of my personal favorites. Actually, Mela B, another one of my personal favorites.
Actually, Mela B might be my favorite artist on X, to be honest.
She's just such a wonderful person and is an amazing songwriter.
She's also started her new space once a week.
It's called The Bloom Room.
I think she actually added it to school as well.
Really trying to be, you know, growth and what would you say?
Personal, yeah, personal growth stuff what would you say personal yeah personal growth stuff i
would say that is so if you're interested in that focusing on some goals check out melody this is you ever meet I'm sorry. I can't stand to see you cry when your voice shakes, so do I.
I want to hold you to the world's dream.
Look at my girl, look at her shine, look at her shine,
look at her shine, look at her shine, look at her shine, Oh Oh I know you wanted me cause you want something real, something real, yeah
Cause I can't stand to see you cry
When your voice changes, so do I
I wanna hold you to the world's dream
Look at my girl, look at her shine
Look at her shine, look at her shine Melody Melody sweet melodies from Melody she probably it's funny that's an older song of hers and she's got a bunch of new stuff
and a new album that she's working on putting together this year with singles coming out one at a time. So check her out, actually. It's, that one's a couple years old.
She probably, that's, it's a good tune though.
Anyway, yeah, it's, this is funny
because I'm like navigating through so many different tabs
to try and like be a DJ here.
And I'm gonna have to figure out a much more streamlined way
for this space and that's okay.
The only time I have to work on it is when I'm in it.
And we're going to figure out as we go.
If you want to come up, you want to grab a mic, say good morning, you can do so.
Or I will just continue rambling to myself.
What can I say?
What can I say?
I mean, if I want to do this is like, because I'm not here to give anybody financial advice,
though I am looking at money flow and what these markets are doing every day.
So when those conversations come up, obviously people are curious because the dollar is not worth shit.
And if you're on X, you must at least somewhere be seeing the conversation about the gold chart or the silver chart.
I'm sure there's a lot of spaces about silver specifically right now.
And, and, you know, like, yeah, I don't know. You must be curious. You must be curious. I think
about in these spaces when I, because most of the spaces I hang out in and talk in are really just
music spaces because I don't, I don't really care to, to argue my opinion to a lot to eat to almost anything really like I really enjoy the
outdoors and my dogs and fishing outside of uh you know whatever I've got going on in my day-to-day
in my career and stuff like that right so uh I don't I don't care to do a whole lot of arguing
opinions or trying to like be some you know guru and anything and I don't I don't know what's best
but I like I am paying attention because attention because I want to get ahead in my
life.
And obviously, you know, we've been whatever, if you want to quote unquote lied to, taken
from with our taxes and, you know, them increasing the money supply by almost double during the
pandemic, et cetera.
So all these reasons, like you you must you must be curious you
must be curious of something to do with your money and how you can you know at least i don't know
put a couple of eggs away for retirement or something so if you're in these in these music
spaces with me then then um yeah like i mean i want to be open to these conversations i know
there's you know a few few musicians that have dabbled with the NFTs and that music
side of it.
You know, I know Mela's familiar, you know, the Violetta Zeronis that are out here and
that's, you know, they call themselves MOB Music on Blockchain.
So there's a lot of people, you know, doing this and that and dabbling back and forth
and trying to get ahead with some finances as well as do their music thing out here, right?
So, yeah, that's what this space is for.
Kind of blend that.
So all my musician friends that I've been hanging out with the last couple of years in spaces, like I said, I've never shield crypto.
I've never shield Bitcoin to anybody in these spaces.
And I've kind of, you know, like I think that's a good thing.
I know I'm not here to shield anybody.
That's the other thing.
This space, this space is really not for me.
And if it doesn't get traction and it doesn't take off and it doesn't, it's not going to affect me at the end of the day.
This is, this is because I see people being taken advantage of for years.
This isn't just recently.
This isn't just last year.
This is the five years I've been involved in crypto.
I just see people being taken advantage of.
Right. year this is the five years I've been involved in crypto I just see people being taken advantage of right um and because of that I kind of just steered away from the crypto scene and got into
the music scene because it was like hey man people are just you know expressing themselves
without a lot of opinion based nonsense right they're expressing themselves just through their
music and you can really get to know somebody listening to their music or even listening to
the covers they like to play you know what I mean you can really get to know somebody listening to their music or even listening to the covers they like to play you know what I mean you can really get to know somebody um and I met some of the best
people that I know in the music space so um you know you know how do we how do we how do we blend
that and I guess I'm seeing it be blended maybe that's a little bit of the motivation to this
space too is that you know not only are people being taken advantage of in crypto and all these different tokens, you know, we're now seeing artists, you know, get blended into
the music scene, you know, and potentially art, art.
Yeah, I don't want to go too much into it, but I don't want to see artists get taken
advantage of either.
I don't want to see, you know what I mean?
Like we've seen it a few times over the last year specifically with our with a couple of our
communities you know um you know running up numbers in spaces that they had no idea were
were coins or tokens that were fucking rugging people on the back end you know what i mean like
that kind of i don't want to see i hate seeing the blend it's like man leave the artists and
the musicians alone who really don't know nothing about crypto they're naive to it all like
you know what i mean i don't know and then to see them be taken advantage of or you know their art
and have have you know quote unquote these leaders of like who's a leader in what like all the
information is free nobody's a leader of anything you know what I mean um charging to to promote and and put
people out there just so they can make a bag to sit on x I don't want to see people taking be
taken advantage of so I hope this I hope this space gains traction you know what I mean for
that reason because I'm happy to do so and I think I can fucking ramble enough off the head
to keep a space going in the mornings but uh but like I said I really it is for it is for other
people because I don't want to see artists or people be taken advantage of but i'm not i'm not here for
myself i'm not here to get my own numbers up or any of that so you know what i mean i don't know
we'll we'll see we'll see how that goes we'll see how it goes because uh it would be nice to to
curate a little spot um you know and maybe even a marketplace where artists really got 100%
of what they were putting out here, right?
You know, like, yeah, I don't know, or maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think there's, you
know, there's got to be some reasonable ground, you know, somewhere between promotion, marketing
and the artist where the artist still gets the majority percentage of what they're putting in out here.
You know what I mean?
And I'm seeing that not be the case.
And that just...
Sounds good to me.
Anyway.
KC, good morning.
How you doing, man?
Good morning, Jules.
I am, you know, alive, I guess.
It's kind of early for me but uh i need to get into like you're
talking about we got to get our uh affairs in order our priorities in order gotta start uh
doing something taking action because like what you're talking about you know with the whole um
crypto web 3 side of life.
You look at the internet, right?
Web2, the dot-com booms.
And I kind of look at the current period as almost like a renaissance for that.
Don't mind that noise.
It's just my kitty cat running around
because he wants me to get out of bed.
But I'm not ready to get out of bed just yet.
Anyway, yeah, no no so there's been
phenomenal opportunities for building all sorts of different stuff and as we've seen there's
there's been no limit to the grift or the rugging action because of the nature of you know what's
being offered an opportunity to get rich and you can do it from your phone.
You don't even have to like really do anything.
You just got to get involved with the right community at the right time, get the right
play, the right bag, and then, you know, cross your fingers because you're going to go to
the moon.
Right.
But that has become actually the paradigm for which people are getting rubbed because they're just being played against their own desires.
What can you do?
The drug out here is like the possibility of getting rich.
Like people are addicted to the idea they're going to wake up tomorrow with a million dollars in their fucking crypto wallet somehow but for 90 of the people that's not the case right and it's like
they say that in the casino the house always wins so it's like you know but you're going to continue
to chase to chase that bag but in crypto it's like the house was always winning so that all
the people that were getting scammed and screwed found like ways to
make more tokens and scam and screw all those people underneath them and it's like you know
it's just become it's become really bad like nothing this is what this is why you know i don't
i won't be super popular with other crypto communities out here because there's a lot of
like people just trying to create their own economies and their own little community that's like you know a decentralized world and
all this but it's like that's that's bitcoin bitcoin is the community it's the number one
thing for all of us that we should all be focused on and not everyone is like they've been all
screwed and scammed so many times so it's like everybody just wants to build their own thing
and their own token and that but it's like once you introduce a token to the marketplace it it's it especially if it grows
it doesn't matter if your plan is not to rug or not the market makers the liquidity providers will
get into your token trade it and screw everybody there. It's like regardless of what your plan is. You
know what I mean? Like there's not really a successful project at this point in time in
the ecosystem underneath Bitcoin. Okay. And that's debatable and that's arguable on some of the
bigger blockchains, et cetera, et cetera. But the reality is that 90% of the people trading these
markets are takers. They're market makers, liquidity providers and takers.
Nobody is putting, you know,
like people are expecting trillions of dollars.
The whole market cap is at $2.9 trillion.
And how much of that is, I can look right here.
How much of that is actually just sitting in Bitcoin?
1.7 trillion of that is actually just sitting in in bitcoin 1.7 trillion of that is is bitcoin so you know um
like i said it's just i don't know you know i'm not i'm not going to be super popular because i
don't i don't personally think anybody should at this point in time really be taking anything under
bitcoin seriously you know what i mean um and but the reality is that the dollar is
not the safe haven so uh it's funny all these people still talking about crypto and trying to
show these little coins and stuff like that well precious metals do what they do like i think in
the last 12 months in the last 12 months it's like 15 trillion dollars that have that has gone into
gold and the price of silver uh in the last two years i think is up or well maybe not two years
maybe um actually i i couldn't say i think it's up a hundred percent in the last
fucking few months silver price is at 112 right now and just a few months ago it broke its all
time high of 48 that it had for forever and it's like so you know like i'm not i'm not this
is why i don't like understand people out here giving financial advice either like you're not
a financial advisor like you're a dude here sitting like you're you're a guy sitting in
crypto spaces like in the mornings pretending like you're some financial advisor like i'm i'm
not that and i will it's almost like a proof of thought you know what i mean but it's like i do watch sure sure i watch these markets sure i do fairly well trading i do
okay you know what i mean like so you know but no one can predict no one could have predicted what
was happening and like maybe a few people did like oh you know a couple years ago thinking you know
crypto's introduced to the market dollar's not doing so good we we increased the money supply by 40 you know what i mean good chance that markets have a run after that you know
what i mean if you if you increase the money supply devalue that dollar people are going to
take that extra money and all that debt money or whatever it is and place that put that into
markets right so everyone was wondering where the fuck all that money went that they printed it's like we now know 15 trillion dollars went into fucking gold and um you know we're sitting at a market cap
of you know we just 3x the market cap of silver so it's probably sitting it's probably sitting
around six trillion now okay i i don't see it on the list of assets i should look that up actually
i'm just looking at the charts um you know but that's that's massive massive
amount of money that nobody ever could have been like oh yeah 15 trillion dollars is just going to
pop into gold all of a sudden it's going to be worth five thousand dollars an ounce out of nowhere
you know what i mean like nobody could have predicted this shit but what does that tell you
it just tells you that people don't feel safe in the dollar people feel very uncertain with the u.s
economy maybe what trump's doing. Who knows whatever the reasons
are, but over $20 trillion has poured into precious metals in the last couple of years,
right? So it's like I said, you must be curious, or if you're not curious, you must be feeling the
hurt of the dollar, and you're probably not doing well, and you've never paid attention to the
markets. You know what I mean? But you should be be and so it's like do should i be running into silver at 112 an ounce when fucking a couple
years ago it was 16 21 an ounce and what we're looking at here 2021 or something you know what
i mean so like this is insane right well your probably, your dollars lost almost half its value in the last five years. Right? So you must be curious, like I said. So again, that's another reason for this space. You know, we can talk about these things too and, you know, and talk about dollar costs averaging into gold, Bitcoin. You know, gold hit fucking like $5,100 an ounce last night in the after hour session or the Asian session or whatever that was.
That hit it.
Yeah, $5,111 on gold.
That's insane.
That's insane.
It sat at $2,000, $1,800, $2,000 for 10, 12 years at a $12 trillion market cap.
Now it's $5,000, well over $30 trillion market cap.
You know what I mean?
So like I said, you must be curious.
So yeah, these bases are for that as well as hopefully building some sort of radio marketplace
for musicians to get 100% of what they put into here, into their music here, and not some asinite amount.
Ego Trip, Mad Hater. If anyone is familiar with Bad Karma, Dr. Bruce. I don't know what I want to play here. I'm going to run another track.
I was hoping his Spaces track was going to be on this.
Produced by Aporkalypse.
Let's do this one then.
This one is the promotion of a pork interlude.
Produced by Aporkalypse.
Aporkalypse, another producer on X who also just got himself some placements with Warner Brothers, as I understand.
Which is super dope to see so if you're on the production side of things uh honestly going sync licensing tv movies things like that is probably a good way to go but I'm going to run this track
uh and in case we could chop it up again doesn't seem like a lot of people at eight o'clock in the
morning gonna test times I was thinking of doing it much earlier but you're saying you're just
waking up too so maybe earlier isn't good. But anyway, the promotion of pork.
There was a lot of late spaces left. That overpowers any track, mister. I'm that hitter. Lethal dead shot. Six minutes at me, I bread now.
And eating heat, you only accept hot.
That's our standard.
Flow, jakeeta, bananas.
Grab your camera.
I don't pop out often.
But when I do, somebody's career goes in trouble.
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I don't know if you can count.
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Didn't split the ball for me, so now it's clearer.
Monsters nowhere near the... Rhyme, Jackie now it's clearer. Most is nowhere near the.
Rhyme, Jack and Chan, master plan.
Dominate the indie scene.
Oxymoron, my flow nice, intense, and mean.
Spick, hit some scene.
Verbal weapons, sweeps your whole block clean.
New beats, porky can get you right.
Get you right.
Ya what I mean?
Do, do, do, do, do, do, do.
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Yeah!
Underground Ninja Turtle I stays in the dojo
One I don't even know if that was
Oh no, it's Supreme
I didn't hear Dr. Bruce
I didn't hear Dr. Bruce. I didn't hear Dr. Bruce.
This one's called Ego Trip. I was really just trying to make it. That's what we're still in there. Gave me reason for blaming me the truth is I just needed some patience my ADHD make me feel like I'm crazy
After that lady maybe holding back really drove me ballistic and I got big-headed and became a
One day you see I never pretend I can do friend No, this is
I'm just living this life
I'll give me so let's go get it
Before we send it
We go to acting different
Narcissistic, but I don't
Get it. I'm just living this
Life I'm giving so let's go get it
Before we send it
Lately I've been minding my business
Now they think I'm acting different, but I don't get it
Fell back from spaces, traveled to new places
I was just trying to do what y'all saying
I had lost everything that had ever been state 3
It's hard to be favorite when everyone's played it
And yeah, I'm fucked up with that support of the making
Still shooting my shots like I was Jason Tatum
Web3 saved him, really no replacing
I went for half in it all to be in back in the basement
Y'all think I'm worried about what the fuck y'all saying?
There's a lot of boy on every occasion
You make it from sunup to sundown you know I stay blazing
Stay cooking like Cason, spend too hot to this flame and taking trips from a case into a case of frustration
And I'ma keep going to the day that I'm making
You say we were tripping, acting different, narcissistic but I don't get it I'm gonna keep going to the day that I'm making I'm just
I can't be so let's go
Katie before we see
acting
But I'm just
I can't be
Let's go get it before we spin it.
That is Dr. Bruce, Ego Trip.
Man, he's actually underrated and makes a lot of music,
a lot of good music,
and he's put a lot of that out on the blockchain too.
And hopefully we can make that work for people.
I really think, you know, and I know there's probably a bad taste in a lot of people's mouth about blockchain, crypto, NFTs.
You know, if you've heard anything about it, you've probably heard about people getting scammed.
You probably heard about the NFT bull run.
You know what I mean?
In 2021 that went to millions and now they're really not they're really not worth much um crypto's got a lot of
i would say sourness around it you know but nfts themselves i do believe them to have
great value and and it's just in an artist being able to monetize themselves how they see fit.
You know, even if you're a consumer of music, you know that Spotify is a bum fucking deal for artists, right? You know that promotion from big record companies and labels was a bum deal for artists, right?
So how do we get back to a marketplace where you can buy singles by hopefully you know maybe
some albums and those albums could even come with some sort of you know physical thing you know
there's some nft artists that'll put out a cd or a vinyl with their nft as well so um you know lots
of possibilities right but for a couple generations music couple generations, music and consuming music has been taken advantage of.
And people are used to consuming that music for free or for $9.99 a month or whatever the case may be, right?
But, you know, there's now a way to not only consume a little piece of visual art, but to consume that music, have it directly in your wallet and directly contribute to that artist and not to the CEO of Spotify's fucking 200-yard yacht that he's got or whatever.
You know what I mean?
Like he's like one of the richest dudes in music and all he did was create that streaming platform.
music and all he did was create that
streaming platform and that's just
And that's just not right.
not right.
And if you're releasing music on the blockchain
too, I don't think that
somebody
a quote unquote promoter should be
able to take half of your revenues
no matter how much
contribution there was to
that artistry on the side or how much it cost
you to make that or how many artists were in that I just think that's I just think that's wrong I don't think
promotion companies or some sort of label umbrella corporation idea should make its way into x spaces
or into into web 3 so again that's another drive for this morning space radio space whatever you want to
call it as i structure it and get it together one thing i need to get worked on uh this week is just
curating a better playlist from all of these artists and figuring out how to get because a lot
of them are just on blockchain and you gotta yeah anyway that's that's my deal but
i gotta figure out how i can get them all to one easy list on my computer and maybe that's through
email um so i can get the files together and build a a playlist that way email list too from all these
artists that's actually not a bad idea and then i could really uh yeah you know what i mean put on
for everybody like i said if we do segments and pin people's posts,
hopefully I don't cut off my music when I'm trying to pin posts again
and get that sorted out.
Yeah.
Anyway, Casey, man, you got anything?
You got anything you want to add?
Yeah.
Just off the top of my head, what you were just saying,
wouldn't it be kind of interesting if you had like a global playlist that, you know, everyone's just kind of submitting to and you sort of curate and then every time you hold the space, you just kind of play it, you know, it's just like, hey, let's go back to the playlist and you never know what you're going to get because you just leave the progress.
you just leave the progress
wherever you've left off
it's just been growing and growing
yeah so I'm going to figure out how to do that because like I mean I played
Mela B's stuff to this morning off of Spotify
I just played
Dr. Bruce's stuff off of
SoundCloud I played Mr. Wonderful
off X
you know what I mean I don't
like I you know I've got ADHD
I don't want to bounce around between so
many tabs like that so I've definitely got to like you know hone that in so I've got ADHD brain. I don't want to bounce around between so many tabs like that. So I've definitely got to like, you know, hone that in.
So I've got less places to be distracted and focused in the morning.
But like I said, I'm really building this out.
Like I just, I scheduled, I had to do it.
Otherwise I was going to keep procrastinating this.
You know what I mean?
Like I was, I kept telling myself like, oh, I need to,
I need to get one of those pieces of streaming gear again before I can just
open a space it's like even though in my head I know that just running a space through wide spectrum
and music by my speakers is probably better than all that anyway so I just had to stop procrastinating
start the show and just and just build it out as I go and yeah definitely on the list this week is
to put together these some some sort of a better playlist.
And like I said, I got some meetings tomorrow morning, so I can't even do this space tomorrow morning.
That's the other thing, too.
I'm going to have to figure out a time.
Or maybe I just do Monday, Wednesday, Friday.
So I can still throw some meetings into my week.
Because, yeah, some of them just end up earlier than this.
So yeah, tomorrow I've got a meeting at this time so
i can't be here uh so i might not do a space tomorrow morning so that'll be back wednesday
uh and actually you know if i could keep them to an hour then it stream signs it to um to a
reasonable space like i personally don't go back to a lot of spaces and listen to them um you know
because some of them can be like some of the music spaces are like seven hours long it's like yeah i want to go back time like that yeah yeah i want to hear so you know it you know maybe even
keeping these two an hour unless conversation really does does spark like keeping them to an
hour and and more kind of art focused would be decent too and the market overview like honestly
i really do love chatting markets and and trading like i said i'm
not a guru guru so i don't want to be giving people advice but i've been actively trading
actively investing in crypto for six years now and actively trading for about four years
um and i'm not i'm not i'm not bad like i'm not underwater on my trading you know what i mean so
it's like i'm not like i said i don't want be giving advice. I think it's really weird if you're not actually a financial advisor or professional trader
for some like firm somewhere.
Like I, I think it's crazy to sit here on X basis and like give people like, and be
so confident in financial advice, especially when it comes to crypto, because if you've
done that over the last five years, you've been wrong.
You've been wrong you've been
wrong and you're underwater and so is your whole like everybody you know what i mean like unless
you're in unless you're doing these musical chairs games with these little shit meme coins that
launch on a day-to-day basis and maybe you're good at at the musical chairs and that's you know
that's a fun little i don't think that's a fun little game personally i just think it's um
i mean that's
just yeah it's just gambling i'm not gonna go into that too much but i'm not a i'm not a i'm
not a true dgen this is not so this won't be if you're a trend or a dgenner that wants to chase
all the the latest pump fund tokens that are coming out like this is definitely not that place
um you know because i'm gonna i'm you know, I want to teach people about
dollar cost averaging into, into Bitcoin and, you know, maybe silver and gold, you know,
but I think it's like, they're probably not taught like the runs they've had is insane,
but it's like, where else are people going to put money?
They're going to put it into the American stock market.
Doesn't seem like they're super interested, even though it is also at unreasonable highs right now.
But the interest is really in gold and silver.
Silver's got tons of fucking room to grow.
So maybe buying a little bit of silver here and there is not a bad idea, you know,
even though it's up 400% in the last few years, 500% in the last few years.
You know, but I, you know, and even Bitcoin, it's high risk.
But a lot of people, if you know me out here, you know I play with Bitcoin.
And I've been dollar cost averaging, like I said, for five years in Bitcoin now.
And so far, so good.
But like I said, I'm no guru.
I don't want to tell you what to do with your money.
But you must be curious, right?
You must be curious why your dollar keeps going to shit.
So, you know, yeah, that's, you know, yeah, I never shilled.
I love the music spaces, love all the people I've met, but I also trade and try to get ahead.
So, yeah, that's, yeah, there's nobody here for that conversation right now,
so it doesn't really matter too much.
I don't know what you do, Casey.
Like, are you are you into Bitcoin or silver gold?
Do you invest at all?
Do you have a savings?
You just got your 401k?
What do you do?
I do a little bit of everything as a developer.
You know, I'm always trying to stay abreast of whatever is happening.
So I've been looking at Bitcoin since before 2016.
I dabbled in mining it.
Oh, really? Wow.
I've fucked around with a few different communities,
kind of watched how they evolve and change and rug and so on and so forth.
But yeah, no, it's, it's kind of
amazing how many people just sort of rush the market, um, ape in and they don't even
know what like market cap means. So yeah, when we talk about social media and influencers
and creating, um, that need of urgency that we do whenever you're trying to make a sale.
And then you combine that with the FOMO
of this golden opportunity for your investment.
Yeah, and then you mix that with the degen culture of,
oh, let's just have a good time.
That's a pretty potent cocktail
for separating people from their dollar bill.
Yeah, because we grow up thinking that we're supposed to save in dollars and,
and, you know, unless you were fortunate enough to have somebody in your family that was able
to teach you about some, you know, whether it's some sort of commodity or production stock or,
or gold or silver or whatever, you know what I mean? But chances are probably not,
you know, maybe in America chances are probably not you know i don't know
maybe in america that was different but like it no one taught me anything but i was lucky enough
to have a friend no one i was like around me either so uh you know i didn't get into this stuff
till uh it was really the like like i said i first saw bitcoin and i had a couple of friends
talking about it around 2017 but i didn't put enough in for it to do anything substantial.
And I ignored it really until 2020 when it crashed down to $3,800
during the pandemic.
It was March 16, 2020, I think.
And that's when I really started paying attention to what it was doing. But yeah, I don't
know. Yeah, I trade. I like I, yeah, I trade quite a bit. So like, you know, maybe we get into those,
those conversations. But I don't know, it doesn't, I'm not probably no, there's, there's that side of
this space. But there's one other thing I would like to add that, like, I don't really hear a lot of people talking about it.
Maybe it's because it's just so painfully obvious.
With the crypto and Bitcoin, you know, the whole reason that that technology emerged was the idea to break away from the banking institutes to restart the system and kind of create the transparency and allow people this
ability to build but still have the control over their creations and this goes it's it's multi-level
right because you have the blockchain itself which you can create but then you have all the way down
to like the nfts themselves which are the tokens that sit on the chains and either way you approach from either side of that
issue you can do whatever you want essentially and that's like the beauty of this stuff but it's so
bad the way that it's going right now because like if you look at like the use case of like
ripple right um that is one of the most stable coins out there and it's growing
very quickly xrp communities are doing really really well but what a lot of people don't realize
is that like ripple is the one um blockchain that is backed by the banks the banks own that
blockchain so of course it's going to do well and of course it's going to do well, and of course it's going to grow, because they're in to take over this emerging new network, if you will.
So yeah, I would love to talk more about that side of it and how it's ongoing struggle.
It's funny that people think it's XRP, but like you said, it's the technology behind it.
It's the Ripple network.
It's the ability to move money with a fucking, what is it, like a fifth fraction of a cent is the fee to move that.
So it's like, to think that banks won't adopt something that will save them hundreds of billions of dollars in remittance fees to move money, like, you're crazy.
So it's like, okay, sure, yeah, this market's getting hammered
and it's under $3 trillion again and people think it's all over
because of gold and metals.
It's just not the case.
It's like it's just still such a young technology
and they haven't built their infrastructure
in how they want to use it at this point.
That's kind of how I view that because you're right.
Why would the banks capture that blockchain and want to use it at this point. That's kind of how I view that because you're right. Why would the banks capture that blockchain
and want to be using that network?
Well, look at it.
Well, it's a fraction of a penny to move money
with the Ripple network to anywhere in the world, right?
So, yeah, you know, yeah,
there's definitely a lot of conversation there too.
I'm not a, like, like I said, I mean,
there's definitely a few blockchains, XRP,rp or sorry the ripple network is definitely one of them um and there's a few like you know maybe
dot uh chain link i also kind of like there's don't get me wrong there's a few projects
underneath bitcoin that are solving real world problems that will grow um but there the reality
is is that this is still such a low market cap.
So we're talking $3 trillion for the entire ecosystem, right?
And it's 100% liquid, whatever's in here.
It's, how do I say that?
It's 24-7 liquid, right?
Bitcoin is so volatile and it's sitting at its value because it really, like people are
like, well, what's its use case?
Its use case is you can pull the money out 24-7, 365.
You can't go and liquidate your commercial real estate property,
but you can go sell $100 million of Bitcoin right now
or move it to somewhere right now.
You know what I mean?
So, you know, that's, unfortunately,
the value is the fact that you can transact, trade, move this stuff immediately whenever it's liquid all the time.
Right. So that's it's going to continue to be volatile until that kind of, you know, we get past this this growth hurdle.
And whatever that number is, I don't know what that number is for Bitcoin when when people stop trading it or trading these assets as much as they do. Because right
now, the value, unfortunately, there's just market makers here. Like I said, 90% of the people in
this market are takers. They're like, oh shit, people just fucking put their money in here.
They just leave it there on the table for us. You know what I mean? So it's like the traders
are coming in here. They're going to take whatever's available all the time, like all the time. That's
never going to stop, which is why I focus on the bigger chains and bigger projects. And it doesn't matter who you are, how special you think your project or your community
might be. Like if it grows, traders and market makers will come to it and they will take
advantage of your quote unquote community. And it's just, it doesn't, it'll never work out.
Everyone thinks they just have the next Bitcoin or they're creating the next economy. It's like,
well, if every single fucking person does that,
you know what I mean?
Like that just doesn't make sense.
It doesn't make sense.
Like Bitcoin does what everyone,
every, what every small community wants to do out here.
Like Bitcoin does that for us all.
And it doesn't have somebody at the top pinching out of the back end.
Like there's no CEO there.
That's what I really like about it.
Right.
And then there's, like I said, there's some blockchains that are solving real world problems and and and doing
different things and that'll you know maybe bring some benefit the technology itself is evolving in
real time too you know when you talk about layer one versus layer two versus the newest layer three
stuff that's emerging and what's to come from
there and how is that going to change the game but you're absolutely right you know no matter
what project no matter what chain at the end of the day you still have to contend against the banks
and all their investors and all the systems that revolve around those things and they've been around forever and they've got way
more resources and when you talk about building a community i mean i've heard rumblings just between
the communities going and beefing with each other and raiding each other and depreciating the value
of coins just to kind of stymie the movement and so it's like yeah if the communities can't even
get along how are they going to fight the the more established ones yeah and it becomes it
becomes competition based at that point that's why i don't know yeah i don't know like i said i i do i
do own one i don't know if i want to call it a community token you could still call it a meme
coin at this point because the website does say meme coin.
But like I said,
like as far as a developer goes in social media,
you know,
Russ Yusop of,
of Vine,
I think has a good history.
Like he built Vine.
It was the most influential video app of our,
you know,
generation.
Right.
So like I said,
I'm still underwater on that one.
Like that is, that is what it's been sitting in the same spot since it launched one year ago like i don't i'm stubborn so i'm gonna
hold that one and i'm gonna really hope that russ you know comes out with what he says he's
gonna deliver which is hopefully a new product of vine but we'll see but other than that like i
really believe that that quote-unquote community that
everybody like i just feel like that word has been fucking so destroyed by crypto but it's like
you know bitcoin is that community bitcoin is the it's it's the hope like if you're into crypto and
that's and and it's not precious metals for you or stocks like and if you're into crypto like I don't I can't see any other meme
coin or blockchain like being that place that that you know everyone's just trying to be the next
best bitcoin I feel like you know what I mean like there's maybe like I said five other chains that
actually offer some solutions to real world problems but for the most part I'd say no I think you know at the end of the day the one
bottom line that kind of still gets on my nerves aside from all this other
stuff you know the whole idea behind the blockchain and crypto was to remove the
fees and yeah it's like every single platform they have fees still so it's
like you know we keep trying to solve a problem.
And every time we create a solution, we create two more problems to go with it.
But I still have hope for it.
You know, I still think there is room to grow and build.
It's just a matter of finding the right network of people, I think.
But yeah, good luck with that.
Yeah, that's a difficult part too
because everybody wants to get ahead.
Everybody, okay, I understand,
like everyone's got a family
or whatever they got going on
in their personal lives and stuff,
but I just, you know, I don't,
I hope you could find a way to do it
without taking from other people too much.
But the unfortunate thing, and I've said this before too, like the Fed,
the Federal Reserve is the only one with the luxury of making money.
You know what I mean?
They make it, they print it, they put it into circulation,
and the rest of us got to find some way to take it from each other.
But like, can't you just provide a decent service?
Wherever there's a gain, there has to be a loss.
Absolutely.
Yeah, exactly. That's the unfortunate part. wherever there's a gain there has to be a loss absolutely a deep yeah yeah exactly that's that
that's the unfortunate part but if we're you said that before about crypto in general though jules
that's actually what i was going to say like you you and you're right about that bitcoin's the only
thing that's really wasn't built to screw people over all the other shit really kind of it's it's
at the end of the day it's to line somebody else's pockets more than yours yeah like even if you're
a community it's it's kind of like you know wall street apes like yeah that's a group of people
coming together that's as a force we're going to try to like you know manipulate things but there's
people that lost money there's people there's like boomers which i don't give a shit about but
there's like boomers what they're like you know they're 401k took a huge dip when they were doing
their thing you know what i mean like so but that's why i don't try to come down too hard on the utility people
because i even though i'm not like i don't really go down that rabbit hole but utility kind of is
what would save the rest of the crypto beyond bitcoin and make it something that people don't
just screw each other over for and gamble and you know
what i mean like meme coins and shit because if it becomes a another form of currency that you can
use but again i know you're gonna say why didn't know why not just use bitcoin but like um i always
maybe it's a bad analogy but i always compare it to precious metals you know i see bitcoin is like
gold i see like Solana is like
silver. You know what I mean? Like there's, there's other reasons you could, you would use
smaller, um, blockchains and stuff for different things, but the, but having like legit utility,
which is coming. I mean, Rumble's letting people use crypto when X money comes,
but they let people start using this stuff for more than just trying to use it to make more
money on a different coin then then it'll start having like real world applications then it'll
grow i think that'll that'll be what on boards like the normie the regular people like me more
yeah and you know and and i understand that meme coins also have done more to onboard people to
crypto like there's there's probably more people that hold bitcoin now because of meme coins also have done more to onboard people to crypto like there's there's
probably more people that hold Bitcoin now because of meme coins like meme coins are shiny and they're
funny and they are they they lure people to crypto they get hosed lose a bag and then they find
things like Solana and XRP and Bitcoin, et cetera, et cetera.
You know what I mean?
So, like, I mean, I guess it's all part of it.
But, you know, I don't know.
It just, yeah, I don't know.
I don't want to get into, like, I don't want to be, like, a space that just shits on everybody else.
Because you're right.
Like, at some point, maybe a lot of these one-offs or little community tokens or whatever, like maybe there's space in the future for those to be economies.
But the reality is, is like, if we just, if we say you onboard,
if like your goal is to just onboard a bunch of people and you're going to
send them a couple of this or a couple of that or whatever, right?
And then we have, okay, sure.
There's like a million new wallets.
There's a million new wallets.
There's a million new wallets with all just fucking dust and change in them okay so what's the benefit to that oh maybe we've taken a few dollars and cents
out of the currency supply so maybe we've like valued the dollar a little more that way but
like people aren't really investing in these things like they're just it ends up being a
waste of time because most projects and so far what we've seen like you can't really argue it it's it's in the charts most things over time uh against bitcoin have
gone to to nothing right if you look at the bitcoin verse whatever the case may be chart
right um did you see that post elon did this morning where he's laughing about the nft for
the twitter nft no share it up let's see it oh dude it's hilarious like
apparently jack dorsey did like a like a nft for twitter that like was like a million it costs
millions of dollars or something it's worth like ten dollars today oh yeah that's ridiculous you
know and that's why a lot of people have this bad taste but i think for like, if we, if we're going to change that concept though,
for the artistry, I think, because a music NFT, a music NFT is a product.
It's not an investment.
And I think that people, they just, when they buy NFTs, like they expect something in return,
like you got to provide some sort of utility that way or something like that.
But I think for, for music, it's like, that's the, the, the utility is the music.
You know what I mean?
You're buying a product from that artist, right?
Or, or if you're providing some sort of service, like, I'm not saying that, I'm not saying
that you shouldn't get paid for some of your work out here, but hopefully you're either
providing a value of service that's actually given some value to somebody and not taken
some value to somebody and not taken from their own value their own personal value right so whether
from their own value, their own personal value.
Right.
that's you doing the music and providing the product of an nft or you know building something
doing the art for someone i don't know you know what i mean um i do think there is a there is a
there is a place for this you know kind of exchange of whatever it is cryptos or whatever between
people but i shared it in the messages
bro because i have android nerd in between updating it i can't put stuff on top yeah you
know i couldn't figure out how to pin something in the space today either i'm not because like
i don't focus on x a whole lot right like usually hang out in in music spaces and
so i'm really gonna have to figure this out you know you know what the nft
problem is too though in my opinion because i'm an artist at like you know at my core actually
like that's how i started you know airbrushing all that stuff painting and so i get it the problem
is if you get into one of these big spaces uh where people were trying to push them they try to
they make that part of their sales
pitch oh it'll be worth money one day or you can use it to get into here or there they're like
they make it like that they take it away from the art part you know what i mean like
you know it's like if you bought a painting if i was on the if i if it was first friday and i was
on the corner so my paintings you know i'm not going to be telling people yeah if you buy that
painting also if you bring it over to the bar later
you can get in for free you want to pay cover
like
you're just buying you know if your
pitch is buying it for the music
or buying it for the art of the
image or whatever so that the
artist gets to
make money which is how you know
all the starving artists have always done it,
then you have to kind of, unfortunately, I think, in my opinion,
and I could be wrong, but you have to stick to that.
When you start trying to pile too many things on it,
you lose people.
It feels scammy.
Yeah, yeah.
So how do you get away from that, right?
You know, I don't know maybe
yeah yeah that's i mean time will tell right like i there's i think it's still fairly early to
um you know really set what's gonna happen to really say what's gonna happen here right because
i think that exponential run in the beginning like like I said, it was just, it was the shiny thing. It's like, I don't know if that high is going to come back.
Is that kind of same kind of high going to come back in NFTs? Is that same kind of high going to
come back to other blockchains and meme coins? Or was that like, you know, that was bigger money
than anybody could have imagined? Came in here, took advantage, pumped the market up a bit, and
then they've extracted it all, right? like i said most things under bitcoin except for the
you know the exception of a few have really just drained out people's funds right so
it's cool to get creative though i mean like it's a cool concept some of the concepts are actually
really cool the problem is it's just like anything man when you you try to put stuff in the real world, a lot of times it just doesn't work. You know what I mean?
People have to want... Either people like shit or they don't like it at the end of the day.
And yeah, you're right.
It's super early, man.
It would really be a bummer if people gave up on NFTs, for example.
And then crypto blew up. a bunch of normies came
on and they lost their opportunity to take advantage of that you know i mean and like
to show real people because real people are the ones that would buy nfts real regular people
you know crypto bros don't want don't want to like help anybody out everybody's just trying
to make money you know what i mean like
you need the real like real people that would support musicians and artists to
to get into this space man it's almost like i feel like they have to hang tight you know
i mean i have two people that have to hang tight you know what i mean that's kind of where i want
and like hope i can take this this space specifically right as to just building the value
can take this this space specifically right as to just building the value in and like making it okay
for normal consumers to be like hey you know what like paying whatever x amount like however the
artist wants to monetize like to buy an album that's on an nft like that makes that makes sense
to me like it wasn't long ago we used to go to the store and shop for CDs and buy albums for, you know, in the States.
What were they?
Probably $10 a pop.
Like here they're $15, $20 a pop.
Some albums $25.
You know what I mean?
So it's like that was normal music consumption not long ago, right?
Everybody misses Tower Records, bro.
Everybody nonstop talks about it.
Oh, yeah.
I used to love going and flipping through.
I mean, I still go flip through records. But, I mean mean i used to like going to the music store and buying cds
too and consuming because remember the musicians would come they would do like events and stuff
like it was like a whole thing yeah exactly yeah so i mean really you know one of the best ways to
monetize them as an artist now is honestly selling merch unfortunately but that's just kind of part
of it right um but i do think that there is a place for selling music nfts now i don't think that an artist should just drop a
song every week and be like oh i put out a cd i put out a song so you should send me some money
but like you know maybe you do an album a year or maybe you do a small ep and like buy annually
you know a couple drops and really provide your audience some some good
quality music maybe a good like whatever maybe a visual with it or whatever it could just be a
single cover but you can put videos on nfts so you can make it a visual experience if you want to as
well um but just giving people more than just being like hey i put something out and you should
send me money because i think there's a lot of that too.
Like people just want, like you said, people just want money out here.
They think they just show up on X and hang out in these spaces and they should just like get money just for hanging around in crypto spaces.
Which is why to the normies, quote unquote normies, like it just has such a bad taste, right?
But like you said, we need to get, need to get the like new consumers of music in
here because everybody consumes music like everybody consumes music right and there's so
many artists hanging out here on x and music spaces who who make a bunch of good music you
know what i mean there's no i really think that the nfts could be a marketplace um you know to
i don't know if like i don't like is anything ever going to really take over
spotify probably not you know what i mean at this point like probably not it's just too easy
to consume music there and nfts can be a little bit if you haven't done it or have no interest
in crypto they're kind of a difficult to navigate you got to get a wallet and you got to put some
some funds some solana in that wallet and then you got to go and
learn to mint that music from the site but you know hopefully we can educate people here
pardon me random question um why do you think spotify succeeded and pandora didn't if you
remember pandora um i have an opinion on that one. I'll let you go, Jules.
No, you go ahead, T-Bone.
I don't have a mask.
I don't have too many.
Okay. The reason I have an opinion on this is because a buddy of mine who's a
musician was the first person that ever showed me Spotify.
And Spotify, if I remember correctly,
was the first one where you could build your own playlist.
Like you couldn't really do that with pandora and stuff at first like spotify was really the first one to really attract people
because you could build your own playlist um and then they also had a bigger library of they were
they they did a good job of adding people like i think they were the first ones that got zeppelin
um i'm pretty sure the between the combination of those two things, but I think it started with the playlist thing, if I remember correctly.
Yeah, I mean, sorry.
Let me count into just giving your response and then we'll let you rebuttal.
Yeah, so I agree with T-Bone, and I think I was conversing about this the other day, is that, you know, as an artist, obviously I want something better than Spotify.
was conversing about this the other day is that you know as an artist obviously i want something
better than spotify but as a consumer i want something just as good as spotify if not better
as well because the user interface really is friendly and it's fucking like you can you can
really set up a nice music experience on there like there's nowhere like i think about this
because i do a lot of road trips and drive around and go hikes and do all this shit so i spent a lot
of time listening to music in my car.
And I don't want to be navigating a bunch of shit all the time, right?
And Spotify just makes it super easy to have playlists going and have the shit I want to hear when I want to hear it.
You know what I mean?
Like the user experience on Spotify has just become really streamlined and super convenient for people. So it's like,
how do you take away from a marketplace when it's way more difficult to consume the music?
That's the difficult hurdle, I think. And so, yeah, no, I agree with you. And it would have
been, yeah, user experience is probably why Spotify would have taken off before Pandora.
Go ahead, Casey. Yeah, no, sorry about that. I was just Spotify would have taken off before Pandora go ahead Casey yeah no sorry
about that I was just gonna say you know it's weird because like I hear what
you're saying and you're absolutely right because I do use Spotify as well
but the thing that I noticed about Spotify that it blows my mind is
Spotify doesn't actually have like the built-in learning algorithm that Pandora
kind of invented where
Pandora and you know this was kind of the cool thing about Pandora it would
sort of figure out what your taste in music was and present you new music that
you would never come across naturally and you know a lot of it you wouldn't
like but then you'd come across these gems that you're so right dude you're
so right man so I just don I just don't like Spotify.
When it was the precursor, you know?
Yeah, they were great at that.
I agree a thousand percent with you.
I actually don't like Spotify.
I use YouTube music because of that exact reason.
YouTube music is really good at that, too.
Like what you're saying.
Yeah.
So here's another thing that pisses me off, though.
So I pay for
spotify and i have for whatever you know amount of time and then somebody tells me that the experience
on youtube is better or whatever so it's like i pay for spotify i pay for youtube i pay for sound
cloud you know what i mean like it's like so really really, I'm not paying $9.99.
I'm paying probably $50 a month.
Yeah, YouTube's expensive.
It comes with everything.
I think I pay $20.
It's Canada, so I think I pay $20 for YouTube.
And I think maybe it's $12 now for Spotify or $10.
Maybe it's $10 or $12 for Spotify.
And then I pay for SoundCloud, which is also $9.99.
I don't even know why the fuck I pay for SoundCloud anymore
I probably shouldn't pay for that
I used to love
SoundCloud though
before Spotify really got big
I liked SoundCloud because
I used to be into the festival scene
I used to work at festivals
and just be a fucking maniac
You were a corny back then i was a bit
of a carny a raver whatever you want to call it you know um yeah so it's like yeah so i actually
i used to consume a lot of music on spotify i or not spotify sorry soundcloud but i don't i don't
listen to as much bass music anymore so like i'm not i'm just not there as much but um anyway i think it's a pain in the space melo building a playlist sucks doesn't
it what's that don't you don't you hate building playlists like i i can't stand it anymore um so
i just i kind of you know the thing with spotify and it's like especially if you're like i said
it it's really good at kind of giving you the music that you want to hear so once you've started
i finally once you've started a playlist be like okay so like a lot like lately i've been listening to a lot of like neo soul
stuffs or and like like old school kind of sounding i don't know like slow slower tempo
soulful kind of jazzy i would call it neo soul i don't know what to call it really more specific
genre but um anyway so i started a playlist and don't think i shared this play with plays with
cara uh but i only had like maybe a dozen songs in there to start and now it's at like 80 songs
because it just keeps feeding you very similar shit right so like i said if i'm i do a lot of
driving right so if i it like it's just to add things to the playlist and that playlist has
already started like it's really easy while you're driving just you know hit the pad and and click and and get it added to that playlist so
it's like i maybe added like i said a dozen tracks to start or something like that and now it's at
you know 80 tracks or whatever that that spotify fed me you know what i mean so um to build a
playlist it kind of just happens over time i don't sit there there and try to build a playlist with a million songs,
and I've never been able to do that.
But I just find it kind of just organically happens there.
You know what?
I will say the downside to the other one.
Casey, maybe you can comment on this.
I don't know if you're going to agree with this or not.
But it's obviously not big enough of a problem for me.
Otherwise, I would do something about it.
But I do find myself sometimes feeling like when you're you're like a slave to the algorithm thing you
know what i mean like where there may be like if i if if i wasn't being lazy like youtube music
spotify i not spotify pandora they feed into your like laziness you know what i mean like
and and there's songs that I probably be looking up
that I haven't heard in years that I love,
but I end up in this like kind of loop
that they create for you.
You know what I mean?
Which is, which is accurate.
I mean, it's a pretty accurate loop,
but as you know, man,
there's like tons of songs that don't get included.
Like they kind of feed you the same stuff
over and over again in a way,
almost like a radio station, you know?
It's like a customized radio station.
And every once in a while, I'll find myself like,
okay, like, can we get some new blood in there, you know?
But you have to do that.
Like, you have to proactively every once in a while
inject some new songs in there.
Otherwise, it'll just keep rotating you through
like a radio station.
Yeah, and I don't mind that.
I kind of, I mean, I generally don't get into that too much.
But it's like I also listen to a lot of instrumental music,
so you kind of just get lost.
I find in the instrumental stuff, it doesn't really matter
if it goes wandering off too far.
Anyway, I was shouting out Mela Beether.
Mela, I played one of your songs, but nothing new.
I played your song Shine because I just kind of like that vibe for some reason.
It was a nice hit in the morning there.
But, yeah, shout out to Mela.
I'll just shout her out again.
She's doing a space once a week.
She's also put it on school.com, the Bloom Room, personal growth, focused goal.
Goal-centric, focused stuff.
And she's amazing.
Like I said, probably my favorite artist songwriter on x
um oh she came up to say hi that's great hey hi what's up everybody good morning good morning
good morning how's everybody doing good yeah so uh yeah this is me this is me just winging it i've
wanted to do something kind of artist focus and blend all these music spaces into, you know, my,
my minimal knowledge in,
in Bitcoin and crypto as well.
And kind of,
you know,
bridge this gap for,
for music and blockchain.
Cause everybody must be curious of why their dollars shit.
and you know,
whether it's gold or,
or Bitcoin or something you want to play with or learning about NFTs and a
way where,
you know,
I really believe that we can give back to, to for providing us for providing us good product i don't want to call it support
because i think i think that's different artists are working out here and they're giving a lot of
themselves and i think that we can you know give back to them through nfts personally or band camp
or however they want to do it but anyway yeah mella, Mela, good morning. How are you? That's awesome. I love it. So is this going to be like a weekly? What's the game plan?
So my game plan was kind of five days a week, but like already, so like I started Friday,
just like out of nowhere, just decided I was just going to do it. So here we are Monday,
episode one, Friday was the pilot and I was going to a.m., but like tomorrow I've got a meeting at 8 a.m.
So like already immediately my life is interfering with the schedule.
So like maybe I'll go three days a week.
I don't know if I can commit to five at this point.
Yeah, we'll see because, I mean, I could bump it a little bit later.
But the other thing is I don't really know what time is best because I'm on the west coast and peak times for x spaces are generally
in eastern standard time so i'm gonna like you know what i mean what time did this space start
today 8 a.m my time so that would have been 11 11 that's perfect for me your girl's not waking
up at 8 a.m yeah absolutely not i don't wake up that early yeah like 11 that's you guys are insane
to me like i was still like i was up at six today like waiting
for this place you know what i mean no i go to bed late i'm also like starting up um yesterday i was
just troubleshooting audio all fucking day i'm starting like streaming again and i'll be streaming
live on twitch and youtube soon so i'm gonna be up late and then streaming too cool yeah yeah i'm
excited i'm i just have like a whole bunch bunch of stuff that has been sitting around here.
Because I used to stream.
I used to be a Twitch streamer.
And I have all the equipment.
I have all the stuff.
And now I have the time.
Whereas for a few years there, I did not have the time for sure.
It was not something I could have worked into my schedule but now I feel like I'm at a place where not only do I have more free time to do it but I
actually feel inspired to do it so yeah I spent all day setting up I'm excited that's I love that
and I think that's kind of where I am at with this like I felt really inspired by all the people I've
met out here um and so not only like just a mix of the energy from all these musicians,
but also just like, I really, I really just can't see Stan people
by being taken advantage of.
So it's like, what I have to give is hopefully a little bit of time.
Um, and hopefully just with, you know, with everybody else, like I, I, I, I
really don't want to seem like I'm here for, for me.
Like I'm not here for me like i'm not here
for me i'm not a finance guru though i play in these markets for the last half decade i i am
just a lover of music i'm a lover of people and i don't want to see any artists or a person being
taking advantage of out here just so somebody can extract and and you know what i mean like
i don't know i don't like i don't want to go into it too too much again like i said what my incentive was here but uh yeah man that's cool though um my advice for
the scheduling side of things don't don't stress about it yet like don't worry about it just let
it flow let it let see what happens and you kind of just like i mean hold yourself accountable and
make sure you're doing it every chance that you can and when you have the time to do it. But I feel like with spaces,
it's so hard to be, I mean, like I applaud the people that can do the same time every single
day or the same time every single week. Some people's schedules just aren't like that. And I don't think it really, I think
it matters to some people, but you might end up like getting even bigger of an audience over time
because if you stream or if you're stream, we were talking about streaming, but if you're running
spaces at different times of the day at the beginning, just to like figure out the schedule,
then you might end up meeting some people that you wouldn't meet otherwise. Like
you're, you're going to have like a wider audience and, and, you know, everybody's availability is
all over the place too. So it's not just you. I don't think it needs to be that way at the
beginning. Yeah. I appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah. You're totally right. And I think like, you know,
I think just starting out, I'm putting a lot into it and probably just being a little more nervous
than I should, because it's really, at the end of the day, it's not a big deal. Like if it, if it,
if I get some traction here
and hopefully build a place that artists feel like
they're being put on for and, you know, hopefully,
I don't want to say I'm building a marketplace,
but like if NFT,
I really believe in NFTs for musicians and artists.
I just think it's a little bit inconvenient right now.
Do you know what I mean?
And there's a bad taste in people's mouth about the NFT run.
But as far as an artist being able to monetize completely independently and get 100% of the
benefits from what they're doing, I really believe NFTs are that, right?
So, you know, how do we build the value in that product and in each artist?
So anyway, yeah, we'll see how it goes.
Mela, I appreciate you so much and coming through um the other thing I need to figure out is how to
and I think Kara just sent me a dm saying I should do it in an excel sheet so I can streamline more
of a radio show I need to put together a track list and playlists so I can bounce through these
things today I just had like 10 tabs open jumping from from tab to tab to Spotify to SoundCloud to an XSong to a bunch of stuff.
So I've got to streamline that process too.
But yeah, all things I can figure out as I go.
Because like I said, the time I have in the morning, I generally got a couple hours in the morning that I can hopefully put into this show.
Yeah, maybe I can even do a little bit later tomorrow.
Maybe I can do 9 a.m. or something like that.
But yeah, we'll see. we will see how it goes casey did you want to jump in there
no it's okay i just wanted to um say keep going you're doing great i love this i'm excited and i
agree i think nft is kind of there's like this bad taste in people's mouths because they just follow so closely with the market of crypto.
Whereas I'm a big proponent of like the tech that crypto offers.
Like the blockchain is such a cool version of what we are doing on the internet, right?
And if we kind of set aside the market, which is very hard to do, absolutely.
It's very hard to do because it definitely is so correlated right now.
But if you set aside what the market is doing and you just focus on what opportunities lie within that tech, I think it's just going to be life changing eventually.
And the rights that you get to hold your IP with that NFT, like there's a lot of value in what NFTs have to offer
in a lot of different situations that scammers get into with,
you know, even say like, I've thought about this,
like, and this is just a minor thing,
but like for ticketing events, you know what I mean?
Like how many times do you get scam tickets
or there's digital ticket scams and email scams and people,
you know what I mean?
That way too, like NFTs would be a way to to kind
of eliminate like frauds through things like that and identification credentials country to country
there's a lot of things that I think you can put on an nft that hold value but also just for for
the musician side of it is like it's not it's not it's not and maybe it's an investment because the
potential for your artist to blow up and that secondary market to build is still there.
But really, there shouldn't be the idea of it's going to provide some sort of extra utility or whatever.
Like the NFT is the product when it comes to a musician, especially someone like Mela, who's paying for studio time and mixes and masters and all of this stuff like
oh hopefully you can hear me i'm getting a phone call here sure um you know i wanted to say about
that what you're saying jules the nfts man in my opinion and again i'm like a normal person just
like i'm not like a musician i am an artist but i'm not like a musician but the thing that's missing
that like everybody the nostalgia part of
like that's missing from music right now is like you were saying earlier going into the rec going
into like tower records but like the art part of buying like a cd you would get that awesome like
sleeve in there man with the art like if like you bought a nirvana like album or something or i mean
obviously the album cover too of a regular vinyl but like the cd
specifically used to have those awesome not everybody did awesome ones but like some there
would be a lot of really good cd covers and within there it'd be art sometimes there'd be additional
things you could like buy on their website or whatever like to me that would be a really cool like target for nft yeah later when normies
come in more that would appreciate that kind of stuff if you are an artist and want to put music
on nfts and the nft is just the product and that's it like you got to make sure that product is worth
buying like you said so it's going to have you know some sort of extras in it or or you know
maybe a couple other visual things that it does or maybe you buy this one you get an extra song or you know and hopefully the mix is
high quality as well but i think you can attach physical goods to it as well so if like i said
i don't think that and this happens a lot too and that people and it's like some of the
sonically it's not even pleasing people are just putting out music on a regular basis just because
they want to sell a few nfts but it's like no okay what's realistic for an artist realistic for an artist is an album a year
right real that's and that's a lot but that's realistic right so are you providing something
that's worth spending 20 30 50 dollars on right like an album would have been, like I said, I used to love going and buying CDs, but if I could buy a Mela B NFT that maybe came with a CD or maybe it came
with a vinyl,
I would be willing to spend good money on that.
Right.
But like somebody who drops one song a month or one song every few weeks or
whatever,
just because they want $10 or $5 each time they drop a tune in an NFT.
Like,
I think that's really kind of corny and oversaturating the market and not
providing any value to the consumer.
Because what we need here is new consumers.
This idea that everyone's just buying each other's NFTs and then they mint
some and they buy them back.
And it's like this back and forth,
Rob and Peter to pay Paul shit that's happened in web three is so corny and
it's dumb and it's devalued the market in my opinion so yeah we can only we can only buy each other's nfts for so long
yeah exactly yeah provide some real value right as an artist yeah go ahead now well yeah there's
other things too like if she had a very popular artist that did visual art you know i mean like
um that collabed and did that like insert or whatever, you know,
whatever version of that would be like that.
That's a good way to collab with artists too. You know what I mean?
And you figure it out like whatever it is,
but like the visual part is used to be a huge part of like in the nineties,
man of, of, of music. I mean, it always kind of was but you know with the shows and
i mean that's the part that's like kind of missing it seems like from the internet part
of it you know what i mean does that make sense i'm not sure if it does
the culture has changed like the culture around music consumption this is something i've been
talking about for so long and i'm like how how do we change this? Because I think in like most regards, people are willing to trade. They're willing to sacrifice things for
convenience, right? In fucking all areas of life. You know, even when we sign on to a new app,
there's that big long thing that we could sit and read and be like, what are my rights here?
But we don't read it because it's like, would I spend my time doing that I want the convenience of connectivity right so it shows up in every place everywhere in our lives and it's also
shown up in the music industry because these streaming platforms change the culture of music
consumption um to what Jules was saying when I was a, it was a big deal for me to be like,
mom, can you take me to the store? I'm going to use my allowance money. And I'm going to buy this
album that I've been waiting patiently to release. And not only am I going to buy the album, but I'm
going to obsess over the order in which every song is placed on that album. I'm going to rip out that booklet at the front of the
CD and I'm going to like read every lyric as I listen. I'm going to post the poster, you know,
the poster that was on the back of that lyric book. I'm going to post that poster up on my wall
and it's going to live there for an eternity. And I'm going to just praise that album for time,
like time and time again. whereas now music consumption has become so
easily accessible. People don't obsess over music the way that they used to. I teach music to kids
that that's what I do on the side. I have almost like 40 students now and it's kids and it's adults.
And I noticed that there's this shift happening
where my adult students are the type of people to be obsessed with something. Like they're like,
oh my God, I love Joni Mitchell. I love Alanis Morissette. I want to cover her. I just want to
sing her every day, all day. And they love those artists with a burning passion. Whereas I am,
it's like pulling teeth to get a kid to tell me even teenagers to get teenagers and
kids to tell me who they love I'll be like so one of the very first questions I ask them when they
come in as a new student is like so what are you into what kind of music do you like and they're
like I don't know and they they usually end up just kind of picking a song that's popular they're
not picking a song because they love it
and they adore that artist a lot of the times it's I'm picking a song to cover because it's
popular and I think that people will like that that's what people are doing when they learn
songs now at least that's my experience in teaching it's been um I started teaching back
in August so I'm still obviously learning and kind of learning how people are engaging with that stuff.
But yeah, it's interesting.
You see the same thing in Web3, though.
People will just find the NFT community that is, you know, minting each other's stuff, and then they'll go pander to that community and write a song about that.
You know what i mean
like in web3 there's just a lot of pandering music it's like i don't personally want to listen to
like crypto music i'm not like i don't i'm not trying to slag on anybody you know what i mean
like that's the thing but it's just it's just so weird like it's just pandering you're not making
that music because that's your love and passion you're not tell you can't tell me you're passionate
about making songs about this guy's blockchain. Like, fuck off.
You know what I mean?
Do you like the Do It For The Vine song?
Yeah, because he wanted to make...
Oh, man, I don't want to say that,
because, like, Cristiano does...
Like, he's out here a lot, and you know what I mean?
Like, I don't know.
Oh, no, I wasn't talking about his version.
There's another one that's, like, a rap version.
It's like, Do It For The Vine.
I ain't got a lot of time.
Like, I don't know who did that one.
Was that you, Jules?
Well, I made an AI one just for fun.
Was that yours?
The one I'm doing?
Yeah, I wanted to put one out for free because I thought it was weird that somebody was just trying to mint and take money.
That's the other thing.
I think it's weird to just do things for the β if your sole purpose of doing something is to just take the money, like you're not doing it for the passion of music.
I don't agree with that.
you know,
that's another thing.
I just think,
I think that pandering to people to make a few bucks in music out here and on
the blockchain is something that's also just corny and put a bad taste in
people's mouth too.
So you're like the Robin hood of web three,
bro.
Like I don't,
it's like,
I'm not,
I'm not going to be super popular with all the,
a lot of the crypto communities or whatever,
because I push, I push bitcoin and i push everybody like well if you
want to share some of your bitcoin i don't i don't push the idea of somebody else profiting from the
artists like pay to play on x spaces to me is insane if an artist has to give you 50 to get
played on your stage that is i'm never gonna yeah that's wild you know
what i mean and that's you know yeah anyway that's enough it's because people are chasing one of two
things like people are either chasing virality virality is like the thing now everybody wants
to go viral um and then obviously money right there's people that are like, oh, well, I don't have the, it sounds so mean to say it,
but I'm just kind of over tiptoeing.
I've tiptoed for so long around this topic and now I'm kind of getting louder about it.
You're either skilled at what you do or you're really good at pretending that you're skilled
at what you do.
And there's some people that can make a buck doing that and they've done it and they just
keep doing it and they're making money pretending that they are really good at what they do.
But in fact, what they're good at is pulling the wool over people's eyes.
And then what happens is it just diminishes the quality of the culture and it just like takes away from the entirety of the space.
And I hate that shit.
So I feel like we're kind of on the same page here.
And I don't know if you saw that.
I'm starting like an actual outside of spaces.
I started like a community.
I think I remember telling you I was going to do this.
I did shout it out before you came in.
I was actually shouted you out and the fact that you got into school.com.
So yeah, go ahead.
Sick.
Thank you. That's exactly what I'm trying to combat. Like I want it to be, I want to build
a community of people that are doing things for the sake of their passion and the things that they
love and actually making it a tangible, like something that they can win on, you know, that
you don't have to sacrifice your soul, sacrifice the things that you love in order to just like make it in this stupid, like viral
money hungry market of creativity. I just don't, I don't like that shit. I'm very much like what
you're saying here. So I don't know, maybe we could collaborate in some way and kind of make
it like a twofold thing. I'm for it. Cause really my, like the thing that
just made me go ahead and say, okay, I'm going to go ahead and do this is that like, it was really
just for, because I'm just sick of seeing people taking, being taken advantage of, you know what
I mean? So it's like, I didn't like have this plan to like build something for myself. Like I'm not,
you know what I mean? So absolutely happy to collab because I'm really just, I'm really just
winging this because I want to just see better for each independent person. And I don't, and like you said, like, I think everybody,
it's like, it's, you know, if everybody focuses on themselves and what's best for themselves,
the whole community gets healthier anyway. Right. And that it doesn't have to be like in some
selfish way. I think Mella and I are on the same page here. We can converse, we can, we can grow
together. Everybody grows together.
The community gets stronger and healthier, right?
And I think that's kind of the goal.
And then everybody, it does this independently,
and there's no quote-unquote somebody trying to claim
to be the leader that, you know,
says they get a piece of what everybody else comes
and does out here.
You know what I mean?
Like, if this space or a medalist space benefits her
in some way, fantastic.
If this space in the future benefits me in some way because it got traction fantastic but i'm
never going to try and take that value from any fucking individual in my own community you know
what i mean uh like i don't know i just think that's super fucking lame yeah i don't want a
piece of anybody's pie i want i want it to be like if I can help people make their own pie.
Yeah.
And, you know, and I happen to benefit in the background in some way,
but I don't want a piece of anybody's pie.
I want them to win.
Some really nice homegrown orchard organic apples from the back.
You know what I mean?
They were watered with love and shit, right?
Like I don't, yeah, I don't want anybody else's pie i want to make sure everybody's eating good healthy pie i think that like and i'll shut up
after this i think that we've been kind of um conditioned to think that there's no other way
to be successful other than to just like appease the algorithm and aim to go viral and you know
you got to make stuff like this you got to follow the trends
everybody's been so conditioned to think that's how you have to do things now that it's almost
like we have to retrain ourselves out of that and that's kind of what I'm I'm the conversations I'm
trying to facilitate and the community I'm trying to build is me just trying to bring us back a
little bit and say okay no we can do things our way.
We don't have to do things in this stupid algorithmic way and sell our souls to the
system. Because at the end of the day, trends die. The system is going to change over time.
You don't want what you do to be negatively impacted by that. You should just be doing what
you love especially
when it comes to the web 3 side that's why most communities fizzle out because there's no real
authenticity everyone just conforms to to one idea to one image to one this to one that to
it's like it just feels like it's like i it just it feels like i don't know to me like crypto and
all this shit is like just become, everyone just seems like NPCs.
It's all, we're building community.
Let's fucking go.
Like, what?
Nothing's happened in the last five years.
What are we even talking about?
You know what I mean?
So it's, like, all these words that have been destroyed by this, you know, and it's not even crypto itself or the technology.
It's really just fucking twitter
spaces yeah they think it's going to be like last time but it's not going to be my prediction is
that the the real like people are more picky now there's less liquidity there's a lot more risk
right now people are not just going to spend their money willy-nilly anymore so those projects are
going to die yeah and authenticity is what's going to rise to the top because there is value here for artists
and there is value here to create what the people want is this creator economy where we can exchange
between each other without anybody else getting a piece of it right um and that's supposed to be the
idea of this decentralized world um you know and eventually we'll get there but i think we have to
have that authenticity in each angle like in each single individual you know what i mean not
conform to this community or conform to that community or whatever it's like everyone needs
to just practice being the best version of themselves being authentically real uh and that
audience will build and like we should be able to to help that audience you know build a place for
that audience here and and not having to be like you got to wear this pfp and then i'll buy your stuff or
you got to be wearing this jacket and i'll buy your stuff or whatever it's like no it's like
an artist is providing good value if you like that value then you then you consume that it's
not there shouldn't be like there's a lot of this gatekeeping and it's like even though you know
people may may or may not like the art they made.
They like, it could be a, I see it a lot too.
It's like, it's a shitty song and it's a shitty mix.
So it's like, why did you buy five copies of the NFT?
You know what I mean?
Like, anyway, that's, that's a different conversation.
And I really don't care.
Like at the end of the day, we're all adults and you can go buy whatever you
want, but I just really feel like it's like,
there's a lot of things that have just, like Mella said,
it's just, they diminish the real value of what,
like the creativity of each individual.
And Mel made a really good point about the students,
because I feel like there's an,
one of the problems with kids, for example, right now,
is there's an abundance of music
and you can just get it so easily anywhere and and
there's all these different ways you can get it and it's like free and you know it's funny because
i remember when metallica and there was other big bands that were fighting against all this stuff
and everybody was just like talking on them at the time going you know oh they just care about their
money no they cared about this right now where we are this is where we are now we're in the fucking wasteland of just everything's free nobody gives
a shit about anything because it's free you can get you know and everybody's lazy about everything
so like we were kind of talking about earlier spotify spotify versus like pandora and all that
and you become like this slave to the algorithm where it's like,
it's playing the music you like. It's not this other music you like, of course,
but you have to go hunt it down. But it's like, you're just like, okay,
I can put it on and it just goes and,
and I'm driving and I have to have to think about it and it makes you very
lazy about, you know, and, and this is,
this is why everything is now you, now you've taken the incentive away from, you know, musicians too.
Because, you know, the dream always for every musician is to hit it big.
That's the thing.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like, it starts off about the music, but it's also you want to be a rock and roll star.
I mean, with that idea of just, like, playing music in front of people people and all that stuff and there's a machine behind that that just doesn't exist
anymore it got eroded away and everybody hated it instead of like reinventing it uh it just
like these big corporate these these companies that own these services now just gobbled up all
the original like services and it's now youtube and it's now Apple, you know,
I mean, and I think that played a big role in it. You know, like if you're, if you're,
if you have kids, you have to part of protecting them from that is not see all these kids have
phones. So like, like I don't give my kids, my kids don't have phones.
They listen to what I'm listening to in the car.
And I'll talk to them about, like, they want to listen. Like, if you asked my kids what they like, you'd probably be surprised.
First of all, they'd be able to answer it.
And a lot of it would be stuff from the 90s, probably, and stuff from, like, you know, 70s like led zeppelin stuff like that they
know but that's because i don't let them just plug in and and be used you know what i mean like it's
there's a huge element of that and musicians are going to have to start from the ground up again
they're going to have to start back in like selling tape decks out of their fucking their
trunks like it's gonna have to like the
whole thing has to be rebuilt you know what i mean i think i think just working and earning anything
from your if you're an artist and you earn anything from your music or what you do you're happy though
that's that's the thing like unfortunately like i think this this idea like that's i think that's
the addiction like i said earlier i think the addiction is like, I could wake up rich tomorrow.
Everybody's addicted to the idea that they could wake up a million dollars in their crypto wallet tomorrow from some stupid coin.
Or that, you know, potentially blow up as an artist or whatever the case may be.
But I think there's a realistic world where artists are just making decent money for providing decent product.
And if you go on tour,
then you're probably going to make a lot more money because you'll get paid for some shows.
But to just be paid for a body of work each year,
to sell some merch each year,
you know what I mean?
Like earning anything from your music
is going to make you feel good.
Like, you know, I don't know.
Like Mayla can chime to this more
because she's actually going to tour Canada this year herself. So maybe she can speak to it I'm not really trying to like like I okay sure I make
music and I'm going to put some music out but like I'm not trying to blow up I'm probably past the
point of wanting to do shows anymore like I used to do like some performances before the pandemic
um but it's just like I'm not at this point in my life probably not going to be what I want to do
so maybe maybe it's different but if I can if I can you know if I say I make an EP like I'm doing this one with with Thanos if I can
make an EP with Thanos or maybe I create another EP to release some of my personal music and I
provide a good product like it would be cool to make some money off that from an NFT of course
right because I have a really deep passion for my music I think that the mixes are quality sonically
it's pleasing and if the
music suits you and you like it then the great like i'm not trying to sell any nfts for for for
no reason and just because i like minted an nft or whatever but you know what i mean i do think
that that's it's a kind of like an untapped marketplace where artists can get 100 of the
value of the stuff that they put out right and for someone like melabee or violetta who like actually are going on tour and building a name like you could really build some value in a
secondary marketplace for your nfts as well if you do well you know what i mean and and build that
that big audience right like that's where the that's where the real value of an nft would come
in is that you know what i mean melo has a hit single that that blows up and she goes global
and then all of a sudden like maybe you bought an n NFT in 2026 that you only paid $30 for that.
Now Mela's blown up and you can sell that on the secondary for whatever.
You know what I mean?
Like that potential is there too in the future with artists who are actually really striving to build that audience too.
So yeah, Untappd Market, I really think we're pioneering it.
Unfortunately, it started with a sour taste in the in the bull run like you know like you said i don't know why i can't put posts in
the jumbotron in this space today but like you said i think it's the updates man they're
but elon you know commenting under that post today what was the value of the nft bar uh god
it was like it was in the millions or something Somebody bought it for a million dollars. And now it's worth $10.
Now it's worth $10, right?
I don't know, man.
Part of me also thinks, we were talking about this earlier,
the onboarding of the people that will actually pay for this stuff isn't there yet.
But the other aspect of that, personally, this is my personal opinion,
is the accessibility of being able to pay for things.
So like, again, not that I don't know what X money
is gonna be, but X money would be a good example
if it ends up being what we think it is,
where you can just use crypto to buy things a lot easier.
For example, I think for regular people,
there's still like a nervousness about like,
what's an NFT? Okay i gotta i gotta use a
wallet and then somebody could scan me and empty my wallet i gotta be careful it's on a wallet
that's tied to my bitcoin and my solana and i gotta have 18 different wilds and bubble things
and blah blah blah like it becomes this thing whereas if i could just go into x money right
now if you had an nft for sale if i could in X money and I could have my wallet tied to it and there was a security level there, like a PayPal, like an in-between, and I could say, okay, I want to use some of my Solana to buy this or I want to use cash or whatever.
And then you can decide how you receive it. So if you want to receive in Bitcoin, you don't have to receive in cash if i paying cash that puts a middle in between and that makes a lot of regular people
comfortable like now i know crypto people just get it but like a lot of regular people just don't
like the first time you hear about a story of somebody's walloping in it because just because
they clicked on a link that will scare anybody away dude like that yeah there has
to be i think this part of it you know what i mean and that's you know that's hopefully you know and
as hopefully some more of the musicians from the other x spaces will come into this too because i
know there's like i said this was kind of about bridging that gap because i know there's a lot
of people i've never showed crypto in a music space and i really enjoy my music spaces and
what they are and stuff like that but i I know people must be curious, but you're right.
Like that's obviously a big part of it, but it's like crypto is not,
it's not as dangerous as, as people make it out to be.
You know what I mean? And, and like I said, I, the,
I won't be popular out here because I'm never going to push the idea of
people like being like in the trenches and dabbling with a bunch of dumb
shit off pump fun. Like, you know what I mean?
Like I, I believe in Bitcoin.
And so far so good.
I'm like I said, I'm not, I'm not a guru, but yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be too worried about like getting scammed at this point.
You know what I mean?
Like everyone knows that you shouldn't interact with sketchy things.
So it's like one thing, I guess, like with the one hang up, like people are getting drained now.
It's like if something shows up, you're like, everyone's dream is to wake up to
money in their wallet with crypto. And I promise you, no one is ever going to send you free money.
So if you wake up with some coin in your wallet, that makes it seem like you woke up with money
in your wallet. I promise you didn't. If you click into that, that's where there's trouble.
Like no one is ever sending you free money and i think that's
where some of these scams have come from recently it's like you wake up with a coin in your wallet
looks like you have money people click on it and then they get drained but for myself personally
i don't like who stores value this is the other thing that makes it hard to interact with nfts
like i don't store value in my in a phantom wallet do you know what i mean like i'm never
going to keep thousands of dollars on a phantom wallet right see it's it's hard because there are people out there that are
like naive and they think and i've seen people get burned because of it the self-custody side
of things makes things like i don't know i think it makes people nervous. Like T-Bone, you got like a solid point there. And I almost think that in order for NFTs or this new form of like monetizing art in a way that
removes those terrible gatekeepers that take such high percentages and we don't end up making
anything in order for that to be successful, I almost think that the blockchain is going to be
what's built into the system that doesn't even
tell you that you're interacting with it. So there are platforms like that are trying to,
they're basically trying to be the leaders of let's put the power back in the artist's hands,
but they're not telling you that the behind the scenes of their platform and the way that they're able to do that is
because they're using blockchain. They're not being upfront about that though, because they
know that there's going to be people that are like, no, I don't want to do that. But when you
sign up for the program, it automatically makes you a wallet, but it's not like you,
it's just not at the forefront of their
platform they're not saying hey we're an nft platform they're they're posing it differently
in a way that's more digestible to the average person and then once people do find out like oh
they've been they're using blockchain it's not going to bother them because they you know they
got past that hump and then it's just really seamless to be able to access your wallet and stuff on their platform.
So you should look into, what's it called?
It's escaping me right now.
When I remember, I'll tell you what platform I'm talking about.
I don't know how they're doing right now.
It's been a while since I've looked into it.
But I think that's the biggest obstacle is just people that are like, they're uneasy. They're unsure. They're so used to the
banks being where they hold their money. And, um, you know, I guess PayPal being part of, um,
like the, the come up of this too. Like, I feel like it's, we're, it's moving in phases
and there's just more people that are skeptical than there are people that are understanding how to you know navigate this self-custody thing so oh yeah when i i came in the crypto like a year ago basically and and
the trump coin was when i first bought crypto and i was nervous as so now i'm a little i'm a little
paranoid did you lose money obviously or what no no, no, I made money on Trump coin. All right. Good for you
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I like I clicked on it like instantly but like I gotta tell you I would have clicked on it sooner
I was even nervous to click on Trump's link
That's how crazy like I think people are I don't think people in crypto understand how nervous regular people are
to in crypto understand how nervous regular people are to uh to get into it man and then i got and
if it wasn't for being in the vine community i wouldn't know all this i know now because i want
to take i you know i do like researching but like i just never had an interest to really go down a
rabbit hole on youtube about crypto you know what i mean because it's it's vast and there's little
things you learn along the way if you're in a solid community that has actual people that are cool.
Like you can learn some stuff.
And that seems to be the way that you do it right now.
But you're not going to onboard the gajillion people that aren't in crypto by telling them they have to spend a year in a crypto community learning all the ins and outs and how not to get fucked over you know what i mean like it's just um i got really lucky and
i'm but i'm very conservative too with the way i spend my money too i don't just i don't go in
there and buy a bunch of fucking meme coin meme coins you know what i mean like my second purchase
was vine and i only did vine because of what you were saying earlier joe's like
all the different things that are connected to it you know what i mean the spider web of things
that are connected to vine uh no other main point has that even then i like i said it's still
it's still high risk yeah my position is currently underwater and I don't recommend anybody going out and buying it.
Yeah, that's pretty much everybody's position, really.
I mean, but, like, some people are more underwater than others.
But, I mean, that's also part of it, too. So, you know, I didn't take my life savings and buy Vinecoin thinking it was going to explode.
Like, I took the amount of money that I was comfortable with
You know what I mean?
But most people don't do that
Most people
Now I'm not like that in other ways man
Like I remember when I was a kid
The first time I got like all my money
From my graduation from high school
I went out and bought like a ferret
Like I spent like thousand dollars
On like a fucking cage and shit
I couldn't even get the thing out of it
It was fucking biting me
I had to like sell it to like 100 bucks to somebody with the cage
Yeah, so like I'm not the best at making financial decisions
I'm just telling you when it comes to crazy when it comes to crypto. I'm very cautious. You know what I mean?
That's funny
Okay, I just remembered the platform and I don't want to forget this it's called even like e v e n and
Look it up cuz it's cool like
it's just they're marketing it as um the front page says buy the art from the artist get access
like never before like you're getting access to a community around the artist it's just like what
we're doing in nfts and i spoke with them about it i was like how are you guys doing this and i
looked into it and as soon as i i went on to one of the artist profiles the only
thing that makes you realize that it's involved with crypto because all the payments are coming
it's MasterCard Visa American Express all the payments can come from wherever you have your
money but immediately what happens is once you spend that money on their platform they convert
it to crypto and it's it's being converted to crypto for the purpose of that that blockchain
transaction for the contract to happen but then the artist it's reconverted and the artist is
making fiat currency so it's using the technology in order to facilitate it and they oh so they can
use whatever access through like it's fiat that comes in converts yeah okay so exactly it's
a swap it's a swap protocol built into their payment structure which is really cool because
that's one of the main hurdles is that buying anything in crypto for the like quote-unquote
normie is super inconvenient yeah but as soon as you go on their platform there's nothing that makes you realize you're
i'm looking at the cap the the the fact right now and it's like what is even there's nothing on there
that says it's crypto there's nothing like telling people that that's what's happening because in my
opinion there's really you can use the technology most people don't care about the technology side of things.
They want easy access.
They want to just be able to be a part of the community, to buy the thing, right?
Most people don't give a fuck what's happening behind the scenes.
They don't know how the code works.
They don't know how the transaction works.
They're just like, yep, take my money.
I want the thing.
Goodbye.
So in my opinion, this is how i see things playing
out same with like contracts um like even with like legal contracts and stuff like that it would
make so much sense to store this stuff on the blockchain because it's so much more protected
it's transparent it's you know the ledger lives forever you're not going to have as much bullshit
happening and the loopholes get kind of they shrink but you don't necessarily need every
single person to be on board with crypto because we can still utilize the tech does that make sense
that's a great point right now this is amazing because like how many people like, sorry, my phone.
How many people like most people know not to eat McDonald's, but like, I feel like half
the people that buy McDonald's, if you, if you were in a drive-thru and you could see
it through the brick wall and see them making it, you probably would be like, fuck this
and drive away.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like some, sometimes not seeing how the, uh, how they're baking the, they're making the sausage. You know what I mean? Like, you know how the uh how they're baking the they're
making the sausage you know what i mean like you know like if you saw like i love i love spam i'm
from pennsylvania originally i'm from philly i don't i've like tried to watch a video on youtube
and then making spam and i was like nope not watching it i'll never eat it you know i'll
never eat again you know what i mean yeah it's just i don't know i've seen it i've been in crypto since 2021 and at first i was
just very hopeful that i could be like hey guys there's this new way that we can monetize our
our art and stuff um and it works it definitely works like i definitely got some support in that
regard but to try and because i have like um you know followings
elsewhere where people aren't involved in crypto on you know Instagram, Facebook, family, friends.
I got you know my friend's little daughter wants to support me. She wants to buy my merch and all
that stuff. She would love to be a part of that kind of community. She's like 10 years old though
for me to be like you should get into crypto. that kind of feels a little bit nefarious. So I don't know like in my opinion there has to be a happy medium because we can't just expect the whole like market of music consumption to be like I'm moving over to this way of doing things because they're just you know not everybody's going to be able to spend the time educating themselves or getting into it. So I really think that even is a cool way
to think about this because they're marketing it as just like a platform where you can buy
directly from the artist and you get access to their community and nobody has a clue that it's
being operated on the blockchain because they don't really need to know.
I don't know.
Does that make sense?
100%.
And you shouldn't be in a position as a musician.
I'm not like, sure, even since 2021.
I got it in a year ago.
I feel like I know so much more than I did.
But like, I'm not a crypto expert.
Like, if I want to sell my art, I shouldn't have to now become a financial advisor.
I shouldn't have to put my financial advisor hat on and convince you to fucking get a wallet and shit.
I'm not trained on that.
I'm not good at that.
If I was good at that, I wouldn't be an artist.
I'd be a millionaire fucking stockbroker.
You know what I mean?
An artist should not have to try to convince people to make switch, you know, to, to make financial decisions to buy their art.
You know what I mean?
And that's a lot of what goes on in that NFT space.
Like you now have to put your financial hat on and try to convince people
that crypto safe.
And if you do it this way,
if you buy this wallet,
if you do this,
like,
and,
and,
and that,
and that's where it gets lost.
People are just like,
Nope,
thank you.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
And it's like it
still is nfts like it still is an nft that's giving us our autonomy back and and removing
the gatekeeper it's still crypto and it's still nfts so we're still winning um but just in a
different way i don't know i'm curious to see what jules thinks about this well so so
that is the it's like the one the one hurdle is we it has to be easy to consume like if you want
consumers to come here and consume music it had like nfts are really inconvenient i know for
myself i don't go to my phantom wallet on a road trip and like select NFTs to listen to the music that
way right so you know there has to be some sort of platform I'm just looking at this now uh is it
get.even.biz is this the one you're talking about yeah yeah that's the one okay so I'd like this is
the first time I've seen it or heard about it and like i do agree that there has to be some sort of there needs to be a platform where it's easy to consume where you can create it has to have a
user interface where you can potentially build a playlist so um you know what i mean so i don't
know what they would have to do in the metadata collection of your nft to create that but that
would be very cool to see like i'm not i I don't know anything about this platform yet but no I agree but I don't know if they're like hopefully all the the artist gets everything
there obviously has to be some sort of subscription fee I guess Mela or is it like credits or
um okay so it's different now like I looked into this when I, when it was in beta and it looks like it's not in beta anymore.
So that's really cool.
Yeah.
Now.
wow.
I want to get further.
I think I actually have to like create an account and log in too much.
Well,
the other thing that this solves,
like,
first of all,
I think there,
there's definitely going to be,
there's definitely going to be a fee for it.
Like the,
the business has to make money.
Obviously there's going to be something, but the to be a fee for it like the the business has to make money obviously there's going to be something but the thing that this solves too is like um one of the
biggest issues with pro's like the publishing rights organizations collecting our royalties
and giving them to us based on how many streams we get blah blah blah blah is sometimes those
payments are like a year delayed and artists are notoriously the most broke motherfuckers so
it's hard because you're like i'm waiting on this paycheck most broke motherfuckers so it's hard because
you're like I'm waiting on this paycheck I don't even know when it's coming whereas this solves
that because you get paid instantly like it's blockchain so it's it's instant um but like
yeah I'm pretty sure when I was looking into it I remember thinking like how are these guys making
money so that's where I get
concerned. That's why I'm not on this platform because I want to know that this platform isn't
going to be another sound dot XYZ issue. Cause I, I did music NFTs on there, just one. Um,
and the platform is now kaput, you know, it's not, it's not operating anymore. So that's where I get
skeptical. I'm just like, these people need to be able to, they need to be able to maintain their
business.
So that way I can maintain my business.
That's where I get like, huh, I don't know about this.
Uh, but it's like, it looks fairly developed already.
Like there's a lot of people on here, a lot of music on here.
So I know it's, and it's interesting.
They're not really doing a whole lot of marketing.
I've never heard about it before it's crazy yeah it seems to be like a niche style of music that's on here
right now so maybe it's different now but when i was looking at at it it was um it was mostly like
hip-hop and rap that's kind of where it started right so hang on what's that what happens if i
click on this do they just get me okay Okay. So let's see. Cities reach a thousand,
a hundred K.
that's just about this person.
Get access.
okay.
So if I click get access,
pay what you want,
a thousand USD.
What the fuck?
every artist picks their own.
Yeah.
I mean,
and that's fine.
I think every artist should be able to monetize whoever they want.
I'm just wondering if this,
I was wondering if the site gives you like any sort of preview before,
you know what I mean?
Because I think that an artist should be able to monetize however they want.
Yeah.
Oh, cool.
If they provide like any sort of listening.
So as far as I'm aware,
they have the option to choose whether or not they want
to do that like i can see this band was not on here before the all american rejects are on there
um and that's really cool so it looks like um they've got 10 tracks on here there's exclusive
access to music to their gallery to videos and to the fan chat. So very much like
what people are trying to build in, you know, the crypto world with NFTs. There's an offline music
player. So that's cool. That means that you don't need to be online in order. That's even better
than sometimes I'm driving through like a place where there's shoddy service and I can't even
access my library on Apple Music or whatever.
So that's cool.
There's an offline music player.
And then, yeah, so it's looking like there's no way to get like a sample.
But I wonder if maybe the, oh wait, no, there is is there is um i went to boy untitled uh there's
a song on his platform called uh no way and it's like you can you can click play on it and it just
shows you a little preview right yeah so that's cool but these so is it this is i'm guessing it's
web 2 and web 3 thing because you said there's there's NFTs here, but I'm assuming some of this is just like you buy an album for whatever.
Cause it looks like you can just buy in like whatever currency.
Yeah.
So this is the thing it,
it on the surface,
it's a web two platform on the surface.
Yeah.
But then when you actually go,
like if I were to purchase something,
it gives me a wallet, like what's it called?
The contract number.
And that's how I knew that it was Web3.
That's the only way I knew was because as soon as you purchase something, you get that contract number.
purchase something you get that that contract number so it seems like they're facilitating
the transactions with fiat currency but then it's it's all operating on the blockchain and then when
I asked them about it I have the dm still I think somewhere I got a I think it was on instagram I
was talking to them about it and I was like hey I've been in crypto for this long I've been wanting
a platform like this this is cool this is how I think things are going to end up um can I confirm with you guys
like is there a reason that you're not telling people that this is operating on the blockchain
and they confirmed they said yep we're using the blockchain but we don't see a need to
we don't see a need for that it's going to turn people away yeah it's interesting because like even all this
like you know nothing in their write-up their key highlights even at the site level like
says anything to do with like web3 or blockchain which is interesting yeah um but it's different compared to bandcamp they need to go between man like they yeah this is great so compared to yeah it's been
compared to band camp but with more emphasis on exclusive fan experiences daily payouts and
building access rewards uh around releases review and discussions reddit trust pilot four stars from
limited feedback uh highlight artists highlight artist friendly approach and potential for higher
monetization so yeah this is super
interesting especially like i said like i saw some bigger names in there you know i mean like
most people will probably be familiar with chance the rapper just one that i just happen to see on
the screen there you know what i mean so if other like especially if bigger artists are moving
towards this it's like you know that's all it's going to take is like is for unfortunately but
somebody with more value than a lot of us here in the x
bases gonna go and steer the market that way it's like it's it's supply and demand like if if if
people remove the supply from from spotify people will navigate elsewhere and the value will build
elsewhere too right so um yeah that would be really cool to see i'm just getting into this
today i'm going to read more about this platform because I think that is one of the hurdles for music,
is the user experience. Like I said, like going into the Phantom wallet or SoulFlare wallet or
something like that to listen to your music is, it's not convenient, right? And so as an artist,
I want better than Spotify, but as a consumer, I would like a similar experience.
You know what I mean?
Where it's easy and convenient to jump in the car and listen to whatever you need to.
So that's super cool because they're not showing it, like you said, a lot of bad taste about blockchain.
So if that just has a swap protocol that no one really even pays attention to, it's awesome because that's what you need to do is have a conversion.
Like if you can put all the music you want, if people can't easily, you know, if you can't easily convert the sale,
if it's not easy for someone to make that purchase and consume that from you,
like they just move on.
So yeah, it's also for the artists too.
I just found the DM.
I DM them back in 2024.
And I just said, I didn't realize you guys were using blockchain tech.
That's amazing.
They responded and said, we appreciate the love.
And yes, we do.
We try not to confuse our artists and fans with the technology side of things,
but it is incorporated into our platform.
So that's, yeah, that's, in my opinion,
I think that that is a good way to utilize the tech because like most people consuming anything
just like the the McDonald's example just like any other industry most people that are consuming
something they don't need the how and the why and the this is how we do things that they honestly
don't really care a lot of the time and it and for the artists um
they don't want to be confused by it either right like i have a lot of musician friends you know in
my local town here and if i were to go to them and be like hey you should get into nfts and crypto
they look at me like yo this chick's crazy i was thinking about that even after just catching that,
like the title of this space,
and especially if I move it later in the day,
but maybe that's a good idea too is to not,
I don't want to make it like it's like Bitcoin
or any sort of blockchain focused.
Like you said, maybe it's better to just not,
I don't know, make that the forefront of it. Yeah, it's better to just not you know I don't know make that the forefront
of it yeah it's just new it's a new way of doing things you know that's how it how it should be
phrased it's just new there's other ways to do things you don't have to chase algorithms or
virality or anything like there's definitely opportunity out there it's just a matter of
figuring it out and sometimes it's going to be, I don't know.
Someone like Violetta, for example, has a huge crypto following.
So if I were to talk to her about this, I would say the opposite.
I'd be like, yeah, you should be leaning into that.
Like, you should be like, I am the crypto girl.
Like, please.
Yeah, I mean, she could easily claim that status she's you know
she's i don't know you know total sales who knows but i know you know she made she sold the song for
a bitcoin bitcoin was worth 62 000 at the time so that's crazy yeah but that's just not going to
work for everybody no you know and she's got a big audience you know what i mean and it just
happened to go into like you know work out with crypto too like that's amazing big audience, you know what I mean? And it just happened to go into, like, you know, work out with crypto too.
Like, that's amazing.
Like, you know.
But I think that that value is really out there for people.
And it's like those collectors are not just sitting around in little crypto spaces on CT.
Like, that's obviously someone who's, you know, probably been around blockchain and Bitcoin for obviously a lot of years if they're willing to give up a whole Bitcoin for a song.
So, you know what I mean?
There are collectors out there.
I don't necessarily think that the people are sitting in these CT spaces and these NFT communities.
It's like the collectors are in different spaces and probably bigger spaces, more focused on global finance and geopolitics and things like that.
But they're out there.
Like the market, the market really is there.
And that, you know, maybe even is the platform that helps because there's got to be, there
does have to be some sort of streamline for consumption for sure.
So hopefully that person that paid the Bitcoin for the song isn't the same person that bought
that Twitter NFT for a million.
You know what I'm hearing?
No, I'm guessing anybody who can give up a full bitcoin
for a song has got more than a few then you would think they would be financially like uh
no thing or two you know if they're going out there if they're spending that much on it on a
on an nfc but that's but that's amazing that's amazing and now like violetta has a big name for
herself in music and she's traveled around andetta has a big name for herself in music,
and she's traveled around and done a lot of things for herself, right?
So, like, there's a lot of value in her music,
and that person has, like, a one-of-one experience from that artist
that no one else has.
Like, it has value.
You know what I mean?
I don't think that's, like, one of those.
I don't think that's, like, someone buying a fucking AI-made NFT
that went from a
million to ten dollars you know what i mean like there's honestly zero comparison to me there you
know what i mean like no that's what you were talking about earlier that sounds more like pure
like somebody's a pure fan you know what i mean they got a they got a real and raw product of
her like like it's not some likeness it's a video song of her performing
like it's a one-of-one um experience as far as i know that that collector got and she has value in
herself as an artist like globally you know what i mean she's traveled around done a lot of things
so i think that's a totally different thing than than a lot of these nfts and that's and that's
and that's what we're trying to show out here, right?
Is that the musicians and stuff like that, especially these ones that are, you know,
got some brand value and things like that.
Like NFTs can be a way.
Yeah.
You might be old enough to remember this, Jules, but you remember like,
you remember back in the day when like uh i i know rage against
the machine was one of the bands that did this but like there was bands that were selling god how
did they used to do it remember they would like it was a big underground scene for like the um
the live performances and stuff like that that they would they would sell um there wasn't a lot
of bands that were doing i know i know Rage was doing it, but they were involved
and it was like an all mine thing too.
Again, that's going away too,
but people would kill back in the day
to get
live performances of
Nirvana or something like that.
You know what I mean?
That shit was so hot.
Especially in the rap too. You know, like in the rap scene, same thing. something like that you know what i mean like that shit was like so hot like and then especially in
rap too you know like in the rap scene same thing yeah yeah and that's you know yeah i think that um
in the future too like live events and things like that like live music in this world where
everything's becoming ai and robotics like there's going to be there's going to be more value in
human-made art like you know
very soon i think the value of artists like in a world where robotics is going to take over so much
like what's really going to have value you know what i mean so you're going to have to have some
sort of hands-on trade if you're you know what i mean like a working if you're a blue collar type
like myself and most likely my sons you know like maybe they do a little better than me but
chances are my kids will be in the trades like I was you know what I mean like I moved into
to sales but I spent a lot of my years on the tools right and so I believe that people in
skilled trades really are going to like be the last ones to hold some real value out there
and then artists too like you know like human made art is going to go i believe
going to go up and like we've got this boom phase of ai where you know it's really fun and fast
to do things with ai but human creation i believe the value is going to continue to
like rise dude you know what scares me about the robot thing like i feel like i live i'm like i have a nightmare where like
black bands are now you remember like chuck e cheese and like celebration station you would
go there have like a pizza party for your birthday and there'd be that like robot band up there
playing like a like i hope that's not the future man like you know like there's like
fucking robots up there like playing banjo and shit you know like
so or like in star wars where like you're in a lounge and it's just like a bunch of aliens or robots up there like playing music it's like gotta you know gotta fight against that man
the musicians and the comedians are going to be like the last line of defense to stop
It'll be like the last line of defense to stop humanity from like going down the toilet, man.
humanity from like going down the toilet man
One thing, oh man, I'm actually so happy with stand-up comedy recently.
Like stand-up comedy I feel like is finally coming back where it's funny again.
And comedians feel like they can say what the fuck they want to say
and they're not getting like blasted or canceled anymore.
Like I feel like comedy, I'm actually enjoying the standup that I've been seeing again recently,
which is fantastic. Cause yeah, I think comedians, artists,
like those kinds of things, like that value,
that value is just going to go up because people just want human experience.
Right. Like I don't, I don't want to deal with, I'm like, I'm reluctant.
I still struggle with AI. Cause I don't use a lot of AI.
I really don't know how to utilize it because I haven't β
I'm reluctant.
I'm going to be the last guy to get on board with everything with AI.
You know what I mean?
I don't know.
That's just me.
But I think for that reason, that human connection, live shows,
you know what I mean, stand-up comedy, music,
those kind of things are going to go β
the experience of those, the value of those, I think is...
And then we found that a year from now that Jules this whole time was a Russian bot
using AI voice simulator.
You know what I mean?
Like he's not even a real person.
Yeah.
Not even a real person.
Yeah, you know, for a Canadian, I'm not...
I mean, I'm nice.
Didn't you tell me, wasn't you?
You're like, yeah, for a Canadian, he's really not I mean, I'm, I'm nice. Didn't you tell me, wasn't you? You're like,
yeah, for a Canadian, you know, he's really not even that nice of a fucking guy.
Oh yeah. If you were American, you'd be normal, but like for a Canadian, you're pretty mean.
That's funny. That's funny. All right. Well, I was going to try and keep these things to two hours
and think over two hours and 20 minutes here, which is not bad.
But yeah, this is great.
I mean, like I said, I'm kind of just figuring this out as I go.
Mela absolutely would love to chat more on the back end about ideas.
Like, I don't, like, we're just brainstorming, like, no commitments or anything, like, to either of us.
But I think we are, like you said, I think we are kind of on the same page.
But yeah, I'm just getting onto it. So yeah. Uh, you want any closing wrap up? Oh, sorry. I'm spilling my coffee here. Let's, uh, I widespread topic on people's minds. They're like, okay, what can we do to get away from this, this bullshit?
So I'm excited about that because for a long time I've been, I've been wanting that. So
yeah, the bloom room, I would love to have you a part of it. I do have the ability,
we can chat in the backend, but like there's the ability to like work collaboratively on there too like
have moderators and just like kind of you know build like a team and stuff like that so I don't
know if that's something we should explore I know um like you could totally make your own community
on there too like based on this as well I think school is such a cool um platform for it
because of the way that the UI is built and it just it's so nice and clean and I think that
there's just like some I don't know there's some stuff on there that I haven't seen on other
platforms so I think it's cool yeah I'm happy to just like be a part like you know what I mean
that's why you know I talked with Kara Kara before opening this space, like, hey, what do you think about having this through, like, drop the mic? Because I don't, like, I'm not necessarily, like, like I said, like, I don't want to, you know, I guess it's like, you know, I'm the host of the space or whatever, but it's like, I'm not trying to like build some new community. Like, I just think there's so many of us out here like-minded on the same page
already,
but like,
how do we,
how do we come together,
centralize the focus on everybody?
And,
and just,
yeah,
make it more artists focused where,
yeah,
hopefully other people aren't getting too much of it.
And I don't,
like I said,
without speaking on people,
which I just really don't want to do.
I can't elaborate on that but yeah I would love to see artists get 100% of the benefits of what they're doing out here not only um in in spaces but in their music and their
if it's NFTs I think this is awesome because this doesn't even involve NFTs this even thing
so let's discuss that more anyway I'm rambling at this point i feel like i've lost my train of focus here i just built my coffee
walking back into this room and now i'm like trying to scramble and close your micro dose bro
fast what's that i need a micro dose i just like spun up another coffee when i was coming back into
the room to close the space and totally like made a mess and now i'm like fighting my dogs and
cleaning and also trying to like close my thoughts of the space it's funny uh but that's like Murphy is never on my side never is
I'm gonna I'm gonna plan this as I go absolutely Mela we'll chat on the back end I like I said I'm
happy to be a part I don't need to start my own community or build my own thing apart from
what anybody else is doing because that's not my goal or focus here my focus is kind of just
everybody um and nobody being taking advantage of us and also just all coming together and everyone reaping
the benefits of of the work that they put in so yeah that's the idea gonna curate some more
playlists i can't do this at the same time tomorrow so maybe maybe a bit later or maybe i just skip
tomorrow who knows like i said uh mella thank you for that because the schedule really doesn't
matter at the end of the day i'm happy to be a part of the Bloom Room once a week, too.
Check out Mela B Space Bloom Room.
And that'll also be that different day of the week.
Seems like it's been around the weekends, though.
So check that out for sure.
Probably going to close out with one of her songs because she's been so...
You got two in the grease trap, bro.
What's that?
A couple in the grease trap?
Love to see people in the grease trap bro what's that couple in the grease trap love to see people in
the grease trap too that's always that's always good some secret admirers down there
some secret admirers i love that you guys called it the grease trap i've heard so many different
versions of that but i've never heard the grease trap that's so cool oh really yeah that's my i
think that's my favorite one to call it is the grease trap.
Like people call it the basement, the grease trap.
I don't know. I've heard a few, but yeah, that one's my favorite.
But yeah, speaking of, you know, crypto and all these silly games and things, Mela,
thank you so much for coming and contributing today
because you definitely have the right idea.
Like you said, we're on the same page.
I think our goals are the same.
At this point, I'm still trying to map them out.
Steve Z, good to see you.
Ebba Burr, O Canada, Mona Lisa, Khaled.
I'm not going to β we're just going to say Leba for that one.
Casey, T-Bone, Cara.
Thank you so much for pulling up and listening.
This was episode one.
And I'm probably going to change the name now that we've had that discussion
from decentralized on to something else.
We're going to make it up as we go.
But this is Silly Games by Mela.
We're going to close it out.
You can check this out on Spotify.
Mela B. Take your shoes off, hang your coat, stay a while, baby, it's cold out there.
We could play a crocodile, you always win, oh, it's not fair.
Oh, it's not fair
But it's okay
I love that smile
I'll always bear
Promise me you'll never leave
Oh, do you still care?
I know that you're saying it, but I wanna see it, I want you to cry
So I know that you love me
I want you to hide
So I know that you're here
I want you to fight
When you get angry
So I know that your heart is still there
I've been hurt, I've been wronged, I've played along to those silly games
On the surface it seems so perfect Until it's too late
Too late
Maybe we could say the things
We seem to hide away
Hide away
You and me, we are teeing.
This year ain't child's play.
I know they say it, but I want to see it.
I want you to cry, so I know that you love me.
I want you to lie, so I know that you hear.
So I know that you
I want you to fight
When you get angry I know that your heart is still there.
So I know that your heart is still there.
Thank you guys so much.
You can check out Melody on all streaming platforms.
We'll catch you guys in the next one.
Thanks very much.
