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DeFinal Frentier Episode 28: I am joining a SoFi App team.
Recorded: Oct. 26, 2023 Duration: 1:53:02Space Recording
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Like join this and they're like, oh yeah, flu did another space.
I'm going to go back and listen to it.
And the first thing they hear is, you know what I mean?
Like that's got to hurt.
That's got to hurt just a little bit.
Um, hi, everybody.
How y'all doing?
Uh, let's go ahead and like and repost.
Drop this in some chats.
Drop it on Stars Arena.
Drop it in Frontech.
Drop it like it's hot.
Uh, drop it in turnip.so.
Drop it in Moneymates everything.
All the shit.
Let's go.
I see it.
I see it.
It's spreading.
It's going out there.
It's going viral.
This meal just went viral.
I forgot the rest of that song.
That's all right.
How you doing?
I'm just going to, I'm just going to invite some people in here via DM.
You know what I mean?
I'm just going to, oh, Web3 Boomers?
Yeah, dude.
I need those.
Oh, Every Pilot?
Yeah.
I need that one.
Breads?
Fuck yeah.
Let's do that.
Let's do, let's do everything.
Let's just get everybody in here.
We got fucking Golden in here.
Legend himself.
We got fucking McNemo in here.
How you doing, Big Mac Trash?
How's it going?
What's funny is that I can't actually connect to the social app that I'm joining currently.
And so I'm like bitching to the devs.
And I'm like, so the day that I fucking join your team, I can't even log into your app.
This makes perfect sense.
This is perfectly in line with everything.
But I love the team.
And I love the fact that they told the VCs to go fuck themselves.
And they raised money with, with DGens, which is the really, the real, that's the real
way to do business here.
At least in my personal opinion.
You don't really need VCs.
You can have things be community owned.
And community built.
And community supported.
Because everything else is just kind of fake.
It's just like money being thrown around.
And you, you're depending on like pure incentivization.
Which is not really scalable.
Because you're going to run out of incentives at some point.
Anyway.
Once it comes back up and I'm able to, you know, have people joining again.
I will talk about that.
Until then though.
If anyone wants to come up here.
Feel, feel free.
I am going to pull over and get milk.
Because it does a body good.
From Brahms.
So I'm going to go get my Brahms milk.
And then I'll be, I'll be Gucci.
We got Mark up here.
Mark is going to come up and speak.
Because he ain't no bitch.
Mama didn't raise no bitch whenever it came to Mark.
And then probably Golden as well.
And then.
88 Games.
And then.
And like Nemo.
And Crypto Dude.
Megalodon.
SirRugless.
And then Stella.Crypto.
Awesome.
I'm going to follow, I'm going to follow Stella back.
But like.
Honestly guys.
Honestly guys.
If you don't come up here.
I'm going to assume that your mama raised a bitch.
Like I'm not, I'm not saying anything negative about you.
Specifically.
It's just an assumption that I'm going to be.
I don't know if it's right.
Wrong.
Whatever.
Alright.
Let me order this drink at Brahms.
I'll be right back.
I'm back.
None of you joined except for Crypto Dude.
Crypto Dude is the only one.
Don't go there bro.
Hi Flew.
Sorry.
The space is lagging.
I mean.
What's up guys.
Hope you are all well.
How's it going dude?
Which apps are you on currently?
Sorry again.
I was just asking which apps you're on currently bro.
Socialify.
You mean?
Yes sir.
New Bitcoin City and.
Soulmates.
Earlier I was in hub three.
But.
But.
It's too slow for me.
Makes a lot of sense.
Also it makes a lot of sense that Mark is coming up here.
Because Mark never backs down from the challenge.
What's up Mark?
How you doing?
What's up?
Can you hear me alright?
I can hear you fine.
I just sent a message to your mom.
I let her know that you are representing her admirably.
And she appreciates that admirably.
Appreciate that admirably.
There's no echo on my card.
It's not too bad.
One second.
Oh the boss is here.
Hi Shadul.
Shadul you're coming up here.
As my co-host.
You don't have an option.
I'm fighting with the people at Brahms.
I'll be back.
All right.
Holy shit.
That was a fucking pain in the ass.
I asked for like vanilla.
And like vanilla Dutch Carbber from Brahms.
They're like.
Oh we don't have vanilla.
I was like.
Okay.
And then the person at the window is like.
Bro just put some vanilla ice cream in it.
And then I go up to the.
I go up to the fucking window.
And this bitch is like.
This bitch is like.
I can't do that.
I'm like.
You can't do what?
You're not starting a whole conversation here.
She's like.
I can't do that.
I was like.
You can't do what?
She's like.
I can't put vanilla ice cream in it.
I was like.
Well I'm not the one who told you to do that.
Your co-worker told you to do that.
Why don't you tell them?
Like it's.
Like.
That's not my issue.
It's y'all's issue.
Anyway.
It's fine.
We're good.
We're fine.
This is fine.
Mark.
Bro what the fuck have you been up to?
Are you on turnip.so yet?
Bro what the actual fuck?
Crypto dude.
Are you on turnip.so?
If I had any slower start to this space.
I would have to hire a fucking turtle.
I swear to God.
Well yeah.
And I tease up here too.
I was joining because everyone else's mic sucked.
I was like.
I'm not going to let flu sit there on dead air.
Dude.
This is brutal bro.
Like.
It's rough.
I can't hear a damn thing anybody's saying.
Damn bro.
Yeah.
The space is really hard.
Yeah.
But congrats.
I guess.
Oh yeah man.
I'd be happier if the app worked currently.
But.
You know.
It's social vibe.
Those things happen.
And that's.
That's why they're getting you right.
And ironically yes.
But also.
It's.
It doesn't make it any less frustrating.
I do.
But yeah.
That's.
That's exactly why.
I like to be able to go into some of these.
Because like.
The amount of.
Of resources that they have deployed.
Towards like.
Development.
Is fucking disrespectful sometimes.
However.
The one that I'm joining.
Has already had a seed round.
So they already have money.
They got like 400k.
And.
Means that their token already has a value.
And.
They already have an audit.
Through Halborn.
You know.
As far as like.
Social apps go.
This shit is a fucking blue chip.
Insanely good.
Halborn's been on it too.
Shout out Min.
And.
Everybody else that are there.
At the Halborn team.
Rocking and rolling.
I'm joining a startup.
Too.
We're raising our seed right now.
I saw this.
And I was like.
It's that time man.
It's the changing of the tides.
Bro.
Which.
What thing are you joining?
It's called Wise One AI.
We're in the process of.
Shopping around.
Yeah.
Yuck it up.
Big guy.
I'm very aware of Wise One AI.
You tell.
Alistair.
You tell.
Alistair.
That I.
I send my regards.
I'm very.
Very familiar with Wise One AI.
I've been working with them.
For a very long time.
Yeah.
I assumed you.
You knew the team.
That's why I was just kind of like.
Should I see?
Yeah.
We're reimagining a lot of the product right now.
And it's.
It's starting to look sexy.
But what's.
What's your.
Your role here.
On the.
The.
The new.
I'm going to be an advisor.
I'm going to be an advisor for them.
But I'm.
I'm going to have a.
A very large percentage of the supply.
Versus what has already been.
Given to seed investors.
Or pre-seed investors.
And so.
I'm going to basically use it.
As not only a.
Not only for like myself.
Or whatever.
Because I think that's kind of.
Just stupid.
I think I'm using it.
Just as like a.
Kind of like an unofficial marketing.
Budget.
That's my overall goal.
But there'll be.
Announcements from the actual app.
Pretty soon.
That's awesome.
It's.
It's not a full time.
Are you doing anything full time right now?
Or are you just kind of doing a bunch of contract.
Advisory.
Stuff.
Well.
I mean.
I'm full time with Son.
And I'm full time with Grainery.
Because I.
Yeah.
That's.
Okay.
So those are.
Those are your two.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't have anything that's like.
Full time for that.
Because it's just like.
Most of the time.
If I go and I apply.
For whatever.
It's.
I don't have these other two things.
And they just kind of tell me.
We're not committed.
Or we're not committed.
People give us 100% of your time.
I was like.
I don't give anyone 100% of my time.
And they're like.
What?
I'm like.
My wife doesn't give 100% of my.
Doesn't get 100% of my time.
My wife gets like.
Very very little of my time.
Right?
Like what the fuck are you talking about?
Like.
Have you ever taken your time.
And actually like.
Divided it up.
Into like.
The segments.
By which.
That you are.
Dedicating to each one of the individuals.
Or groups in your life.
And they were like.
Sir.
This is a Wendy's.
And if you could just order.
And pull through the window.
That would be really great.
They're like.
Sir.
We just want to know.
If you're going to take this full time job.
Or not.
And you're like.
That's a.
That's a bad question.
Mm-hmm.
It is.
And.
And.
A lot of times bro.
This has happened more than once.
I have not gotten jobs.
Because I have instead.
Just been like.
You're interviewing me really poorly.
It has happened.
It has fucking happened.
You're the only person.
I could trust.
That that was absolutely true.
I could see you.
Going into like.
A really high end interview.
And you're just like.
What is this.
Amateur hour.
Like.
Bring in the real interviewers.
Ask me something relevant.
Dude.
The other day.
I was at a Nissan dealership.
And I walked in.
And I was trying to get my truck back.
But there was no one there to help me.
Which was like strike number one.
And strike number two.
I looked.
And there was nothing on any of the walls.
So I.
I asked the service advisor.
I'm like.
Hey.
You know.
Why don't you have anything on the walls?
He's like.
We're not allowed to put anything up on the walls.
We used to be allowed to do it.
But now we can't.
We can't decorate at all.
And I'm like.
That's fucking stupid.
Who.
Who.
Who decided that?
And they point at their.
Their off.
Their.
Their boss's office.
Over in the corner.
And it's got shit all over the fucking walls.
And so I just go in there.
And I start taking shit down off the walls.
And he walks back into his office.
He's like.
What the fuck are you doing?
And I'm like.
You're not allowed to have shit on the walls.
He's like.
Who the fuck are you?
I'm like.
I don't think that you understand.
You told all of them.
That they're not supposed to have shit on their walls.
Why the fuck do you have shit on your walls?
Dude.
You're like.
You're.
You're some sort of D&D chaotic neutral.
That I can get behind.
I just like.
I just want to walk with you in a Walmart once.
Because I know shit's going to go down when you hang out with Lou.
Like.
Bro.
That.
That.
That is hostile as fuck.
And I'm here for it.
That was funny.
I'm.
I'm here for it bro.
We can go back to the fucking Nissan dealership.
We can take it down and shit together man.
Alright.
Let's go.
We'll go fucking rearrange that bitch.
We'll go put up Honda shit.
Like super glue it all to the wall.
You know.
I got.
I got in an argument with a business the other day about red tape.
And I said red tape is the finish line.
It's not a stop sign.
And we've got to run through that shit.
So like.
I'm so sick of people like.
That putting up an artificial barrier.
And it's just like no no no.
I actually want to understand why this is a rule for you.
Versus.
Well it just is.
That's how things are done.
That's bullshit.
I'm so tired of people.
And I'm so tired of like.
Web 3 companies acting like they're Web 2 companies.
And just.
Completely ignoring.
So much of the potential that they could have.
And I think that the only two companies that I.
I am aware of currently that are doing that.
Correctly.
Are like the two that I have as my mains.
Which is one is like.
White Masons and Granary.
And then the other one is.
You know.
Sun.
And like.
Bite Masons and Granary.
Dude.
They like.
They removed me from the decision making process.
And I was like.
That's the most bullish thing I've ever fucking heard in my life.
If y'all want to do this from like a strictly risk management perspective.
I'm a huge fucking risk.
So yeah.
You know.
Absolutely.
100% copy out of that shit.
I want all of my customers to be safe.
Like.
Yay.
And just like gave them a thumbs up.
Right.
And so.
Like.
People need to take egos out of things.
And then San.
Like.
We love taking risks.
We do some crazy shit.
And then it works out.
Because we're taking.
I can't.
I can't say exactly what's happening with San.
But it's.
It's good shit.
It's good stuff.
Okay.
Christophus.
You're just self-aware of chaos though.
Like.
I love that.
You're like.
You guys are risk managing by removing me.
That's.
Because.
You know who you are.
And.
But.
But.
What I appreciate is.
You also know what you fucking know.
And you don't allow people to.
Posture like.
They know better than.
When you're 100% on what you're doing.
I've always respected that about you.
I will.
I will say.
NFTs.
That they're.
Shit.
Hold on.
I'm getting rugged.
I'm getting rugged.
I'm getting rugged.
Shardul.
Shardul.
Take over.
Shardul.
Shardul.
What's up guys?
What's up?
He like faded off a cliff or something.
Shardul.
He put me on the spot and left.
This is my first time being here.
This is what flu does to me.
So what's up guys?
My first time being co-host.
What's happening?
I think it was on brand.
For him to leave like that.
Oh shit.
Oh shit.
What?
Are you rugged?
No, I'm not rugged.
I'm right here.
But this is my first time.
How do you know flu?
I got on his paces once.
And then.
That's it.
Like.
I've been on a lot of them.
Bad mistake.
Brother.
Mistake number one.
Everyone has to have a first time.
We'll be easy with you Shardul.
That was fun.
I still remember fluid going to like some kind of.
He'd gone to a conference and then he got on like the spaces and he just slept through
the.
He made me co-host and he just slept through the whole space.
Yeah, I mean, that's how I know him.
That's a G.
It's called delegation, sweetheart.
Learn about it.
Learn about it, bro.
No fucking problem.
That's a G fucking move.
Hey, everybody joined my space and then literally doesn't show up.
No, he joined the space.
He was on the space.
But he was just like, yo, I'm going to sleep right now.
I'm going to keep the space on and I want you to be heard.
And that's about it.
Like he just slept right after that.
And you can hear him sleeping.
He was right there.
And that's what happened.
That's how I know flu.
That was my first.
In my defense, that was a banger space.
That definitely was.
I listened to it after the fact.
Yeah, no, I listened to it after the fact.
It was a fucking banger of a space.
Like y'all went off.
Y'all went hard.
Y'all had some good times.
Y'all played some music.
Like it was all good, right?
Like we're all good.
Okay.
Sorry.
What was it?
Was it NFTs?
No, I'm just saying there's like very few people in the blockchain space that come up to me and be like, I know more about the subject than you.
And I'm like, okay, well, unless it's something very specialized, you're probably lying.
And the fact that you walked up to me and said that means you're probably a prick.
So let's get those two things out of the way.
And then we'll like move on to what actually matters here.
But like the problem is, is that we're like, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're drawn to opinions.
We don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
They're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, you're gonna get, you're gonna get this.
You're gonna get this.
Everyone ever approaches you.
Fuck me.
i heard fuck that was about it well i'll take it
oh you too bro nice to meet you by the way it's a pleasure this is a great introduction from flu
it's one of his better ones to be fair
yeah i feel like people need like wwe walk up uh music when they come into flu space
if if you had a walkout song for any kind of sporting event what would it be
i think it'd be like some m&m song i don't know
it'd be that that five eight mile song i almost called it five mile
yeah the shitty knockoff version i couldn't walk the full eight
yeah it'd be probably one of the eight mile songs
what would it be what would it be for you oh what a night
something like super upbeat and bubblegum
i wouldn't walk out to like 1980s sitcom music that's what i would walk out to
i mean you got two choices for me would be either hardcore really hard hardcore or possibly muse
anything by muse
what was that uh oh i would do uh pop a roach um last resort that'd be a good one
that's a good call
yes like there's some songs i was listening to uh
crap what was i listening to this morning
um i was i was listening to like early 2000s coheed and cambria
really good
like occasionally i'll just pop into my emo phase and that that stuff like still
just some of it
the first song i ever listened to on the sun sound iems was
muse knights of sidonia just to test out how good they were it didn't disappoint
oh yeah that was a great one um i was just looking at uh
i don't know like um what what is that genre kind of evolved in into it's like lo-fi now it's like
sad boy lo-fi rap it's like emo music has has warped into sad boy lo-fi rap music
but lo-fi is nice uh i do listen to a lot of ro-fi but not like sad not lo-fi rap for sure
yeah i don't know like yeah all all the all the uh genres are gonna blend together i think ai is
gonna like start doing like these mashup tracks that are gonna blow people's minds
yeah i music's just gonna price out every other artist like columbia records is gonna be like
ah getting actual people we'll just make robots make music
dude for sure like air is gonna take over all of this people are using it even right now for i don't
know talk if you want to speak to like a celebrity you could just have like an ai for them they don't
even have to be there so for sure like yeah i might just take over all of this you'll have like
an ai drake and you'll have like an ai m&m we're gonna have like a netflix for girlfriends
so what are you what are you guys into tonight we can rent rent a girlfriend
yeah i think
yeah you're laughing but it's true it's kind of sad but it's true
like you you think of all the inevitabilities and you're like some of that you're like ah
damn loneliness is about to get a lot easier
yeah i mean yeah ai is gonna take over all of this like the flu is gonna get like
fucking bored of hosting these spaces
and ai shouldn't be hosting all of these spaces
we won't have to think that i just got some part of soccer up as a co-host to leave him to it
y'all y'all haven't figured out yet that i am an ai
like literally i make fun of everyone i make fun of everyone for not being able to multitask
efficiently enough i i i run like nine social apps at the same time and i post in all of them
like the signs are all there guys i am an ai like i'm just a very all right i have a question for
you yeah what's up what's red and smells like green paint red paint all right you're not an ai then
i mean it's a pre-programmed response it's like someone asked me that before someone asked me that
before i had an issue with it i forwarded up to my admin which is 0x augusti down there and augusti
like forwarded me the answer he's like hey use this and you'll see more human in your responses
we've also went over the voight conf test from blade runner several times there there's so many
there yeah i it's getting better like those responses though occasionally you can still
catch especially like unless you're running some some kind of advanced ai on a space like this
like they're gonna run something buggy as shit but there's there's there's been a couple guys who
have told me there are spaces where they're pretty confident the host isn't ai
i'm not surprised yeah i have no idea how that yeah i don't know how that would work
okay someone sending a request
i already got wolf up here controversial take controversial take
i'm out here looking for i yeah it's just machine learning yeah we know i'm out here looking
for i everyone wants to talk about ai what's our most advanced what's our most like what's the high
water mark we'll try to take a lap bro
what's our high water mark that we can point to like the uh the the blending and michael jackson's
black or white video is that our best work yet what's the most convinced i mean i i thought we
were going to have hailey joel osmond replacing our children and like this was what we thought ai was and
now we get a fancy instagram filter and people think ai is a real thing
um it's it's the matrix you're right it's really like i i guess if you want to go down the contrarian
route for ai nothing that we currently have that's ai is ai it's all just machine learning
right and so yes i get what you're saying no i don't care um because the distinction is mostly
you know just semantics at this point um but yes we don't have true let's not let's not drop our
let's let's raise the bar you know they say what you know what do they say rise and tide sinks all
ships there's there's self-repairing and self-correcting behavior though that is
differentiating the new ai the large language models are so much better machine learning machine learning
machine learning is a part of the system but i mean like if you really get back into it like all you're
doing is is like doing those trees out and then like yeah but semantical is the semantic engines
and the natural language processing all it's literally literally just semantics that they
like to the point where it's just like now we have engines for your semantics yeah but but assuming like
you start so i think alpha alpha zero is probably the most interesting ai case so a very simple game like
chess um but i forgot the name of it it's a different game but it's mathematically based
and so they they had to go learn the rules of the game huh are you talking about go yeah go thank you
yeah okay cool um but the the idea that it could learn the rule set of the game and not just script
based on other people that it's studied but create its own pathway to beating professionals and that
happened recently it built it beat the world champion for go as an ai making its own decisions
and and yes that's decision making in a box and you have to apply that outward but you need a core
like you need a core to your brain you have to keep it has to understand how creativity can expand that's why it's
five ten years of of training on these large language models to make them good enough
that now they they emulate human behavior in an almost indistinguishable way well goes complex like
it has 256 first moves where chess has maybe you know 12 or whatever it is whatever the numbers are
but it is like it is all like semantics like very predictable streamline there are maybe correct
pathways whereas like so it is like a set of option and you know like a yes no situation
isn't that life though isn't that isn't that us thinking well this is a whole bunch of just
series of yes of no options that's that's like i mean i can i just get the little tron robot to follow me
around and yes no whenever i need it to can someone just make these decisions for me
me i know i don't care
or no yes or no bread how's it going uh i noticed that you were on turnip.so i'm on turnip.so
um let's be friends right um ramos joined that today he's already up to 0.45 i'm not jealous it's
fine this is fine uh i was in ramos's room on frintech for a long time i went deep on his key
he never spoke that much i was just like okay so i'm hoping that he does more in an app that is
tailored more towards his skill set because i really do think that it's tailored very much
towards the skill set and so i'm very excited about it um
um let me go all right sorry y'all can keep on talking about ai i'm gonna go check to see if my
my my app is working so that i can actually shill it effectively do you have good you have good signal
now we can all hear you so yes now i have good signal so that should help yeah i was just trying
to keep everyone busy to talking about tech stuff
see no evidence of i here today or ai and man these eyes out here just using semantics the fun's going
what's um
what's a good uh a bag to get right now is everybody like long on mog
dude i'm so sick of shit coins um i i'm not in any of that that's why i'm i'm looking to i've
been looking recently into back or sorry to to have bags again on uh different like chains right
which has been my whole thesis the entire time for social fi is that all that social fives are also
that social fi apps are are their liquidity they are liquidity layers in different apps i'm sorry in
different chains uh and that's really what they are like we don't we can we can go more with it we
can go deeper with it it's literally just wallets they're just wallets on different apps with like
social features or wallets on different chains with social features and so i consider all of
these social fi apps i don't consider them to be social fi apps i don't consider them to be
independent i consider them to be part of the overall strategy that i have on all of these chains
in terms of airdrop farming um building up liquidity on different chains and stuff and and
diversifying my risk across a lot of different apps and it helps that each one of them that i do
and then i go into i can farm the fuck out of so that helps yeah but that's a high value but like
is there longevity in so far like social finance or do you feel like it's just a bunch of mirroring
of existing social media apps that when the mainstream social media apps adopts some kind of
so so fi system when when if the mainstream media apps adopt a social fi sort of like
incentivization model then we've won anyway yeah but but i'm saying like do you think it's an exercise
in like short-term experimentation or do you actually see these as like viable incumbents to meta and
x i see them as viable incumbents because they don't have the same debt
as a lot of those places do like twitter look at twitter there's already banks that are like
pissing off like pissing all over each other being like oh we shouldn't have fucking funded elon stuff
like like as soon as you start to see that sort of thing like you realize that like most of these apps
are not running on profit they're not sustainable they're just they're just pissing away money
they're spending a ton of money they have a huge burn rate whereas these social fi apps
a lot of them are very lean um i mean you look at friend tech right you can say what you want about
friend tech being slow to ship or repair things or whatever but like they're definitely not spending a
lot of money and they've collected a whole ton of money with the rev the rev model for things like
meta and insta and it's all based around whatever it's all based around multinational corporations i
don't see why we would be trying to protect it no no no i'm trying to get an understanding of like
when we talk about incumbent like what their model is versus what like a friend tech model is in terms
of like creating sustainable revenue because they're doing it through advertisements right and and
people are always going to advertise they're actually not really doing it through advertisements
what they're doing it with is the data that they collect on how you as like the royal you respond
to advertisements yeah that that i get and and that's is that the stuff like they sell to like
citadel or it's not citadel what was the one meta got in trouble for like they had sold a bunch of
paladin cambridge or no palantir no palantir yeah palantir ah wait when they're also like cambridge
analytica when that another gotham gotham lol i think uh cambridge analytica was related to one of the
others but yeah and like the other thing is is that um i'm gonna i'm gonna go out on a limb okay
some would say i'm not saying that i say this i'm just saying some would say that um
the current model existing in the way that it does allows foreign powers to like create bubbles
within other countries based on like targeted advertising content creation smurfing like of
accounts and and and astroturfing and and like everything every fucking thing yeah you're you're
like geofencing like information and and using propaganda it's definitely a propaganda machine
i was talking to a friend about that the other day i was like oh my god i didn't realize how many
propaganda accounts were out there until shit started hitting the fan again and you can just
you you see that shit it fields into a very specific line of sight yes and so i don't particularly support
that idea and i think that having like non-algorithm timelines is pretty important
and and like being able to say well i don't you know i don't i'm not the product because they can't
sell me because they're not really you know i i i pay for the product i i see i pay to see nfts
feed i pay to see mark's feed i pay to see wolf's feed i pay to see augusty's feed so is it like
bespoke timeline curation that's what you're looking for you think that's that's essentially
the winning feature yes and especially whenever it comes to something like
like my position within this community right which is like a privileged position or whatever but it's
also like extremely difficult to parse dms from hundreds of people on this app every day and i do
it but it's very difficult and so most of my time day to day is just spent on social media apps already
even way before the social fi apps were like here i would spend like you know eight hours ten hours
a day on twitter just to maintain my fucking following so that whenever i went into meetings with uh
like apps and and chains and and vcs and hedge funds and everything that i'd be like oh yeah you know i
have a good social presence and i can help you guys push this thing i can help like bring awareness to
this or i can host a space about that or whatever but now like during those things it was all like
10 steps removed from any any way that i would ever get paid because it was like it was so it was so
detached god i feel all that like as somebody who's like walked a similar path like that jesus yeah i i felt
like the grind on social as like a a predecessor to being taken seriously on like certain deliverables was
ridiculous
yeah also um chardule i kicked you earlier off the stage because you couldn't hear what wolf was saying
and so that happens whenever you go in between especially whenever the host goes in between
um cell phone towers it can be very frustrating but then i'd already rebooted the space since then
so that was actually an issue on your side so i was like okay well we're just gonna he's just gonna
take a lap usually all you need to have people do is just go down to listener and then come back up and
they can hear people again so not a huge deal um but yeah tease uh i don't know man what do you you
you said that it's been very much your experience i don't know have you have you found it have you
found it that it's easy to monetize on any of these apps or like how have you how have you kind of
had that experience so far i i understand the grind and how you have to scale to it in terms of what that
means for you personally do i want to be a long-term content creator and allocate my time to that versus do i
really want to apply my brain into the business side and technology development and man behind the
curtain shit and you're constantly playing this balancing act as like an entrepreneur between
your public identity being important to maintain that pr to maintain that public persona where people
are like oh well he's relevant he's talking to the right people he's doing the right thing and then
what you're trying to actually build with vision behind the scene and it's it just can be a pain
in the ass sometimes and i see a lot of people struggle with it and like as somebody was doing
pr for a lot of people like a lot of times those guys end up just getting ghost writers and other
things but it becomes a chore more than it becomes uh a perceived value add certainly they get ads
add dollars and and other companies want to work with them because the social profile so there's there's
that upside but like grinding out to just get paid as like a content creator on this platform it's kind
of like if you want to get a job as a pundit on a news thing that like that doesn't interest me
but if you want to do that go for it
i don't know did that answer your question it did it do it does um all right so i'm looking at uh
i'm looking at turn up dot so who is here that has joined turn up dot so but that i do not own
if there's anyone please say so now so that i can look for you and and purchase your your access
on there so i can see you streaming your little piggies or whatever the fuck you freaks do on that
goddamn app nfts are you on turn up dot so yet no what is it i've i've been dark
you can actually like video live stream sick it's pretty it's pretty sick honestly oh jen says that
he's on all right so jen the mage let me go on his jen the mage yes i do i see you jen
oh my god jen there we go jen yeah when did this launch this looks like uh very dgen
it's not very dgen it's pretty good is it yeah it's it's very good you can live stream
i mean i know you can live stream just like the landing page how are you like how is that not
impressive versus what we've seen so far no it is yeah yeah l2 mark 99 are you not on there yet bro
like what is i just added to my own screen oh oh oh it's magic all right
all right well let's see um i'm just gonna refresh the the uh the thing then let's go
oh someone someone bought me oh i'm so special all right i'm trying to get i'm trying to catch your
your your global activity as you join is under the guest name so they can snipe you but we'll see
we're gonna try
oh oh oh it's magic
shout out vert oh they're ronin in the house what up
vert killing it as always vert i think is on this app i i think i i think i own him or i may not own
him on this one i think i may have ran out of b and b the other day b and b is a difficult one for
me bro because like i i started out doing projects like working on project teams on bsc um and i worked
for a lot of them and most of them did not last so oops um but yeah no it was a fucking disaster
mostly i ghost wrote i ghost wrote uh white papers uh from whatever native language that
it was i used like google translate and then i would like ask a bunch of clarifying questions to
the devs uh using google translate and then like make it readable to a u.s audience to the point where
it looked like it was written by like native english speaker uh and then there was like i thought it was a
creative way to make money and then i realized that like wow the people using this service
fucking suck all of these projects are fucking ass um and so i i stopped doing it and then i started
to work on a game five project on bsc that i later um called out for being a rug about three months before
they actually rugged and then went from there to dfk so that was history right but um yeah dude i i i
like i feel coming back home to bsc really has been really interesting and this app is really good like
this app is really really good being able to live stream in there is really sick um and like today i did
it whenever i was opening i just like live streamed me opening the the box of swag that ava labs had
sent to me for supporting stars arena and so i've been having a good time with it i i've seen a few
other people streaming i know that um a mike c moon was was doing live like music production last night
so if anyone's on that app a mike c moon is actually super cheap on there he's like 0.03 bnb um
um let's see he may actually still be live oh no he's not live right now hey mike c moon it's so
funny when you're like i think i own him like wait what oh no i i i decided very very early on
within this that everyone was getting triggered by the phrase oh i own this person i own this person
and so now i've just like doubled tripled down on it i'm just like no i own them i bought four of them
i bought five of them i sold two of them i sold one of him oh no i floored him oh no i floored her
oh yeah that's one that that person's cheap that person's expensive blah blah blah i have no problems
with it it's like i don't know wait we just stick to your guns in the most offensive way possible
i mean it's not even offensive like the thing that's actually offensive is the fact that like
facebook and twitter literally own us every single day amazon google microsoft they own us
they own us so fucking hard and they sell us a million times a day to a million different
sources and then we're the problem nah fuck that fuck that fuck that shit um we got kyle lamb in here
what's up bro how you doing hope you're well hope you realize you sold my fucking ticket right
before i did an nft giveaway that was kind of stupid that was that was not great you gotta you
gotta you could have done better timing there kyle be better be better be better um augusti's here
what's up augusti glad to see you excited to see what you do on these new platforms bro
very stoked very stoked we got bread here bread's bread is probably not even at his phone
i've never seen a single fucking reaction from him i think he just farms he just farms that so that
people think that he's in these spaces all the time he's not actually in these spaces he's off getting
laid like dude bread fucks like absolutely a hundred percent guaranteed bread is off having
sex with supermodels right now and like he can't like he can't hear any of it oh nope he said no he
said no he's not off having sex with supermodels right now i'm sorry i apologize bread is off having
sex with absolutely average looking women okay my bad i apologize bread i didn't mean to offend you
nor the women that you've been sleeping with recently uh hanks is here what's up hanks you got your hand
up from all the way down there in the audience that's skill right there that's talent all right um
the app that i'm joining as an advisor is actually moneymates.tech um they have a they have a
audit already through halborn and they have a seed round already 400k that they raised uh from their
their private community um friends and family sort of stuff and uh i'm gonna be helping them uh host
their public their public round um their token sale and i have a pretty significant portion of their
supply that gets larger over time and i'm also getting rev share from the the fee wallet so um just so
that everyone knows uh money mates i am deeply tied in there but i i i fuck with their vision i
fuck with their vision and mostly i fuck with their vision of you know actually going live with a
fucking audit very very early on in their life cycle and not raising money from vcs let's
fucking go because like we're all rich guys we're all rich if you're playing with internet money you're
fucking rich i don't want to fucking hear it i don't ever want to fucking hear it never again
if you have any sort of income disposable income to be throwing around on this rug shit that we deal
with every day you're way way too rich yeah like you you have way too much risk tolerance you can you
can just piss money on shit like i just don't like don't come up to me and like oh i'm feeding a family
of four my villages start shut the fuck up you're rich i don't want to hear it because we get to be
online and play and and and just like look at expensive jpegs occasionally buy some get rugged
rug people wait no shit i'm not supposed to say that part but you know we have a good time here
and so i think we're rich just because i think we're rich in community and i think we're rich in ethos and
the fact that we're actually trying to help the world by building a monetary system that everyone can
use as opposed to just the people who can afford to use it and i think that's kind of an important thing
so i i fuck with their vision i fuck with the way that they do things and i i fuck with the fact
that like whenever you look at your airdrop screen in that app is the only app that gives you an
actual dollar amount for how much you currently have in terms of your invisible imaginary internet
money points so that's pretty fucking cool uh moneymates dot tech and uh i'll forward my invite
code can you pin it to the i will i will okay let me go search my shit congrats by the way yeah just
congrats
oh my god where the fuck is it oh my god where does it where is it okay hold on i gotta find it
i gotta find it guys also i just hit 21.1k there we go
oh yeah fuck yeah okay i'm gonna pin up this one um and
so it's right up there moneymates.xyz it's not moneymates.tech it's moneymates.xyz i should
probably know this uh as a advisor but i don't and i just like i'm bullish on that i don't know
i don't know what to tell you and then join that with my with my code the mm54y3nrh7v5 beautiful code
wonderful code um and let's get let's get going bro because i'm going to be using my
cut of this to push a lot of community forward sort of stuff very excited about it jen is coming up here
what's up jen yo uh moneymates.xyz does not bring you to a website i think it is not tech
but the sign up's not working right now yeah i think that this is the same problem that i was
having i know that they're working on it but yeah just guys just bookmark the shit it is moneymates.tech
see see guys i was right the first time who am i to fucking question myself nobody i ain't
shit never second guess oh god anyway i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna copy this this post i'm gonna
copy this code and i'm gonna repost it with the correct link i i can hear your dueling personalities
there who am i to talk back to me dude who am i though like who who am i to talk back to me that's
a good question all right let's get moneymates.tech also everybody retweet the fucking space please
thank you um
yeah all right
who am i it's a great question it's a great question uh but yeah jen i just bought you on turnup.so
um how are you liking that app so far did you did you get to tune in earlier to my to my live stream
where i was trying to unbox the ava labs care package and i ended up cleaning up cat piss
um i caught a bit of it and then my connection rugged me but so far it's been pretty cool um not
sure how easy it'll be for me to load up uh because finance i can't use finance here um but oh dude
i'll tell you some secrets are you ready
finance.com the regular one not finance.us i can't use finance.us either but you just send
ethan and then that however there's an even easier way to do it what you do is trust wallet
right trust wallet i think that it has like a technical i think it's technically called something
else now but whatever trust wallet and then what you do is you send eth you can also send btc i tried
both yesterday just to verify you swap within the app over to bnb and that's bnb like beacon
chain bnb and then uh you swap that bnb on to bsc and all of that is within the app itself like
trust wallet and so you can export all you can you can withdraw straight from um
like nbc you could do a withdrawal on btc or eth over there to the trust wallet addresses and then
you just swap to bnb and then you swap that bnb over to bsc bnb and that's it that's the easiest way
right now does not require a centralized exchange does not require kyc does not require any
bullshit it's it's very easy yeah no kyc is a magic word i'll definitely get on that yeah and then
you you take you and you get you put like five bnb directly into my key over there and that's how you
make money on turn up dot so uh turn up dot so i just noticed is actually in the crowd sorry hello
turn up uh turn up uh but if you want to come up here and be a be a host co-host um
be my guest well actually technically you wouldn't be my guest you'd be my co-host um
okay now the now they're my co-host hello panda how you doing hey man hey man hey flu hi guys how's
going good good thanks for having me here oh no no no thank you for being here i have a question though
how does it feel to be under invested in my key uh well first of all it's like it's it's being it's
been overwhelming for the launch and now having you and a bunch of other folks super pumped and
especially i know like this is a a lot of people came from the ft uh experience in the playbook uh
but but you know super dope uh super pumped to have you guys here and uh that's the whole uh
the whole dedication of the team is trying to make sure we have the features you know brings a similar
flavor but you know with a very different spice and a very different flavor towards uh scalability and uh
variation um so you know i you know i i personally enjoy your your your your live stream this morning
so it's it's it's really cool really cool and uh and uh and uh you know i i i'm looking forward to
uh to have more folks here to to stream and and there's gonna be a more content because like i know
a lot of guys are shy here but like we're we're we we we we don't have to turn on the camera and
we can do voice and uh also very soon in about 10 days we're gonna have the multi host version so
essentially you can do like clubhouse um on the streams and uh and of course like they're key
gated right so only people on uh on your on your on your our family on your camp can can join force
but and and another next iteration we would have you know you can invite people outside of your camp
your eyes outside of your your community so for it for them flu or two say join first with jane or brad
then the people uh in in everybody's camp can join force together uh to listen to uh the pod or the
stream with video all together so yeah you can see a big crossover fusion of the key holders and so
so forth so yeah super excited
i'm glad to hear that sorry i was off in your app just fucking around um so yeah no i'm i'm glad to
hear the thing about the the multiple multiple people i was talking about that yesterday i think
at night on the stream that i did yesterday and i was like oh yeah it'd be great to be able to bring
up multiples so that like the conversation flow is easier and everything but like honestly i don't
really think that it's like required right now i think the app is in a really good place and just
like slowly rolling those things out and and staying to one thing is is really awesome megalodon what's up
this motherfucker raises his hand and then he doesn't talk i can't use it at the minute with my settings
oh so you you rugged yourself there for like a good couple minutes say that again sorry uh question for turn up
um are you having any problems with android users because i can't use the video the live stream and i'm on i'm on android
uh we can use on android directly uh there may be some settings of the camera and phone dm me and i'll
help you i send you the troubleshoot doc and they can fix you up as i'm very likely because you turn it
up and uh you turn it up and it realized hey the camera and by default i somehow selected to cancel no
camera or not and then that's why it's all the black screen but i can send you issues like a troubleshoot
to to turn it up and uh you can just stream right after
awesome thank you so i want to start screaming sure awesome like you know the way we see the
streaming is like really it's like tick tock live instagram live or if you guys try to whatnot um you
know streaming is the best way to convey convey your consensus your branding uh your brand building all
online so it's making it very easy for people to sell um you know your your brand or your merch
digital merch whatnot i think there's a lot of opportunity uh using this vehicle uh ford and like
flu like you said you know we were internally debating as well right we saw a lot and a lot of
features like nbc were offering yada yada we tentatively think about that we attempted this is very
attempt to uh like we need to resist the temptation to do the sweeps and all the other cool features
nbc has but you know focus on the like kind of a lower layer of infra the way we see that having
a calendar system up the push notification up um the multi-host feature up these are the infra
and these are the something will get the flying wheel beyond what ft started right they create
additional the paradigm of utility um and we want to do these first and then circle back sometime on
on these other uh cool stuff as well
yeah no big fan of it and honestly um i'm really the i'm really a big believer in the fact that like
i i don't really i don't think that anyone should be a maxi to any one app um
um clearly this has made me quite unpopular within the front tech crowd who are so busy jerking
themselves off in a corner alone that they're never going to have any friends and no one's going to
come into their birthday parties unless they already came into the corner with them to jerk each other
off in the first place um but i think that a lot of these apps like some of them are just base forks
but then they use those base forks for really interesting things um and then you have ones like
tomo.inc which is actually live on both app stores which is a rarity for the space right
um you have you guys who allow for live streaming and you're on bnb why bnb that's my question why bnb
question i got that uh question a lot i mean tomo uh i know the team very well um you know i think
they're smart team and tomo as you know tomo what means is tomatachi in japanese means friends right
it taps it taps into uh you know the kind of a niche life though you can see initially um when it
started is very a lot of asian liquidity injecting tomo because it's literally using big cloud alike
with the bonding curve on the mobile literally and i think they're i think that the whole thing is
very very cool uh we thought about doing that before um but we've pivoted from away from doing
a similar thing um i mean i think their native app is cool um but also you know also the challenge
being like you know if apple or google were unhappy for whatever reason one day you know things can be
uncertain um and then the third question bnb um well this is the way i see it l2 will have a big
competition between who is the killer apps on the across the board every l2 will have this competition
um you know we were looking into different l2s i think a lot of l2s or a newer blockchains would have
a lot of opportunities um we see um we're looking into where um will be more where where they use a
view base of the of the layer of these uh of these chains would have flexible relatively flexible
regulation um and also relatively more flexible or more uh deep in terms of liquidity and and also
looking into the ecosystem support i.e how um how uh hustling how how the how hassling the the the
ecosystems are to uh to support and how hungry they are so these are the uh perspective of looking at
considering bnb as the number four market cap overall you know if you don't consider usdt that's
number three um so it's no brainer on how many bnb holders can potentially jump into jump into
so when are you guys gonna get like when you're gonna guys gonna get a retweet from cz or or pancake
swap or or um or ape swap i can arrange a couple of these but like when when when you guys when are you
guys gonna rebe like officially supported by like finance because you need to be you're the you're
the most exciting app on finance right thank you thank you we're working on that i mean you know
without doubt i think you know we're pushing for that right and i don't think i'm gonna be a i'll put
you i'll put you in a telegram group with the ape swap boys and you can have them perfect at your
back just like screaming and beating your chest i really appreciate it all right i already have your
telegram because you gave it to me i'm gonna go do that while i do that though you're in charge
and so is johnny so johnny what's up as a lawyer am i going to prison uh for this uh
could be a number of things flo um but uh i'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt you got
to get an attorney i'm gonna say no okay cool thank you i got a question for you though so i'm so all
right so i don't have a ton of money right but i put like you know maybe 1500 bucks into sofi apps
across you know three or four or five of them now and as i'm like testing them out
and watching my portfolios go down whatever fine fuck it i've lost more than that before but if i do
decide to like sell a key or a share blah blah blah someone who like i'm friends with i have their share
across like five different things and they get personally offended like how am i supposed to
react to that like literally someone just dm'd me like what the fuck you told my thing like bro like
who the fuck i don't know what to tell you like what what am i supposed to do here is this is this
like uh are there social etiquette rules that i'm like violating by like testing out these platforms and
not holding someone's keys like six of them the thing that i would recommend is that every time
that you sell someone have a a a farewell message i guess like but like also i don't have time to talk
to 200 people that i saw in one day right and so i i prefer to just build up a reputation of being an
asshole and so that like whenever people get sold by me they're just like oh yeah that's just
fucking flu selling me because he's a fucking asshole because it's literally less trouble
than having to like personally fucking go and apologize to each one of these soft shelled
fucking crabs for like fucking serving them up with butter i don't understand and like if you guys
didn't want to get bought and sold then why the fuck are you on these platforms right you get sold on
either like you get paid either way you get paid on buys you get paid on sells it like for the longest
time on friend tech the only thing that i said to people who sold my key was i would message them
personally and i would say thank you for the fees every single time without fail and then the circle
jerk started and i was like you know what i keep your fees you're you're good just stay over there
don't touch me please thank you and like i don't know i think i think that's a good way to think
about it i think that people need to be considerate of their own financial position whenever it's like
if you get sold that means that you made money if you get bought that means that you made money
and i think that the the deeply the more deeply that we internalize this and realize this and like
this is all good for us this is all good for the app like i think just continuing to to coach that and
then talk about that and and not having this like approach where oh we've got a farm for six months
like what look i don't have to do a goddamn thing like who you who the fuck are you you know what i
mean it's it's silly like we're we're we're trying to societally like pressure people into maintaining
a bag for a certain amount of time and like that's no different than cell shaming in any other nft project or
defy project or whatever i don't think it's any different whatsoever and so i think the cell
shaming within social fi needs to stop but it's never going to really i just hope that i have a
good enough squad of people around me that understand and that respect and that respect their own
the the the benefits that they're reaping as well whenever i'm buying and selling them
and like that's that's that's my hope yeah i mean that's that's reassuring but i mean like this is a
person like i i mean i had multiple other things and i sold like one and a half of them and i got a
discord message like what the fuck i thought we were friends i'm like what like what dude the the proper
etiquette in that specific situation and this goes true for anyone ladies and gentlemen
if anyone whenever you buy or sell their key especially sell their key they dm you and they're
mad at you for selling them especially if you have multiple of them floor them everywhere and then buy
my keys instead because i'll let you sell at any time i don't give a fuck give me the fees i'm good
that's reassuring i think we need to spread that message around though because like
i spent way too much emotional energy responding to that dude and now i've been spreading the
jesus i've been spreading now i'm i'm confronted in the frintech maxi groups and they're like
well you're just being negative all the time this is why nobody comes to your spaces anymore
if i might chime in a bit it's like i think the naming uh confuses people as well um you know
because people under their impression that's about friends and it's really about connection
um and i think you know where frintech started is is a brilliant thing where um you let people to
start a connection even oddly remotely connected by paying purchasing the key i think that's a brilliant
idea but the naming of that uh just to put into a wrong uh conception that as in the perception that
hey we're actual friends right um well i'm just buying your key it doesn't make us friends we're
just like eventually just paying for a service certain things like that so i think you know one
of the things you know we we were thinking to do is trying to reduce the kind of a concept of
you're just in making friends or you're just in three three rather uh make it a very clear that
you know number one uh feel free to switch camps right because you sticking to my camp doesn't really
do anybody any benefit and you know yes there could be any benefits in that uh in the certain
perspective but trying to reduce the kind of a uh like a kind of moral uh obligation that oh like
switching camp is not necessarily a good thing i think this it's just a connection you know and
in the format of a game theory uh when you're searching camps you're searching for different
strategies um so on so forth which actually could be considered a very smart thing the reason why
people tended not to or object uh using moral obligation for you to not switch their uh community
is because look there's no other things to do right you're searching camps for what you will be in
uh in the morally uh obligated to your searching camps is you're not loyal but what if what if i say
i search in camp because there's a better thing for me to do unfortunately in certain platforms there's
no better things to do or more interesting to do then your search comes is considered somewhat you know
not so well i mean that that this this our uh kind of thinking in terms of the game theory of the class
okay also um turn up i have a question for you on the fee distribution on this specific app
maybe it's just a function of the volume or lack of volume but i'm like the second as of yesterday like
like last night i was the second most volume for anyone on the app i think only below your main
account um and i have made surprisingly little off of the fees there as opposed to like stars arena
or frintech or whatever um what is the breakdown of the fees where the fees go and what are you guys
going to be doing with any sort of like community dow or is there like a prize pool or are there docs
about this i guess how how can i how can i have everyone that's in here like learn more about
where those fees are going perfect i mean we're really out of the docs for that to explain and i
think the slow rollout is it really helps us to maintain the gauge on the bugs and fixing the
faster spotting this is a small team um working on this and uh the fee structure is initial economy
you're going to be similar to frintech 10 uh one way and the 50 50 split between creating a platform
with that said um the the portion goes to the platform uh a big portion of that would be reused
for daily trivia uh hq trivia style so we're running the trivia daily and the proceed the price pool uh
for that uh price the price pool uh of the daily trivia or other sort of a daily events comes from uh
comes from the pool um so that that's uh that's the that's how we use the platform proceeds to do
that um there are two parts of that i want to highlight number one the thesis is uh the thesis
that we want make certain uh certain creator really really rewarded right uh there are two ways to do
distribute rewards one is to dispute evenly or proportionally towards the contribution
another uh way to dispute is to uh certain uh certain cases uh and a certain creator making
the real uh big uh business case we're initially leaning towards the latter because initially we
don't have the volume uh by nature uh we want to establish the case by concentrating uh the reward to
one lucky uh creator or user now when the water picks up the the reward program will be split into
uh the royalties and referrals for people uh so all these things will come so that i would say is
only in the first stage in the middle in the second stage when i say like you know a couple of weeks
down the road uh we're not only gonna do um you know this 10 uh charges for uh for each trade rather
we're gonna do uh we'll create a we haven't figured out the name yet um but it's kind of alt program
basically allow uh allow every creator once this passes a certain threshold meaning that have
certain amount of holders and a key reaches certain price they can start using the platform to create
their alt projects consider blyc mnyc strategy where they can use uh the blyc started you know they
started a loyal genesis group and then from that perspective and create mnyc mnyc uh as an old
project because whether the whole project uh let me take take a step back i think the genius part from
ft is like using am and bonding curve that's a genius but 10 percentage is not scalable right even
though you it also creates an invisible ceiling for the earnings for the creator um and it's not really
making sense for a creator to trade against the platform um because you know you would see like
the 20 percent both ways so it's not making sense for the trade which ended up in an unfortunately free
situation now on on the flip side uh we also see that you know even if you do a lot of holdings your
your key price will be so expensive that even late comers will worship you as a creator as a idol
as kll but they cannot enter uh cannot enter your uh your group your community which is unfortunate
so that's why we think an alt solution would be very necessary but with that for the out for the out
solution it does not necessarily mean you have to follow the same bonding curve or the same structure
so uh you know this is important for us to when for us to uh to provide a product of the infrastructure
where when it comes to the out your your your fee structure bonding curve will be 100 customizable
so once you pass the threshold you can you can customize your old project so the different fees
which uh on that regard uh the fees will be super minimal and basically like ignorable negligible
in terms of trading fees uh for people to trade their old projects so that's the high level uh concept
i can't have any more but uh you know any pause here i'm gonna be honest i stopped listening like
a minute and a half in because it was too long right and so having docs or like an infographic would
very much help in terms of like customer forward thinking um i didn't actually stop listening um so that's
a little bit of hyperbole but like the the over the the underlying point is still true like having a
having a a short focused thing on like where they currently go where they will be going blah blah
would be very helpful to people however i think i got the gist which is that it's a 10 percent
in and out and it's uh five percent to creators five percent to team and that is subject to change
going forward and some of the stuff that's going to team is being used for uh daily trivia which seems
to happen whenever i am face down so are we going to have uh different times for the trivia every
day or is it going to be same time every day something that people can tune into everybody
has to wake up for regardless of what time zone they're in are we going to do it are we going to
space it out a couple times a day for like euro slash asia slash us like what's the we're currently
we're kind of planning for once per day but we're gearing up to for twice a day uh we're trying to
do like one facing asia given the bmb demo but also we are we're testing out to do the us time as
well or western time uh covering emia so uh yeah i mean we're planning to do it twice per day
okay cool all right sorry i'm gonna i'm gonna do the ape thing real quick tars and ape yeah and then we
got panda panda all right uh we got ape swap and then okay and then and then my other question
my my other question my my favorite question uh the thing that got me so excited about um
about uh this project or sorry a different project in the first place money mates in the first place
what are y'all doing with y'all's token i see that y'all have a great deal of granularity whenever
it comes to showing what earns points in your ecosystem and how those points accrue how does
that relate to your token is that like a one-to-one thing with your token are you are you open about
the fact that you have a token are you going to stick to calling it points and kind of a friend tech move
or like what's i guess what's the the plan on the on the token side or the incentivization side
specific to internally uh within the app of turn up dot so yeah it would be it would be pretty
transparent we just haven't finished like as you can see a lot of things just uh put out there but
it would be transparent so uh it will be put into a light paper describing uh describing the each epoch
and the genesis epoch is run out to november the 6th and there will be booster related uh each epoch
with how many uh potential coupons versus tokens uh have remained that uh in in in the period and for
the first season forward so that's uh that's the high level the concept will be revealed uh in a doc
that they would be used for reference
all right cool i just uh i just opened up that that group chat for you with a couple of the principal
decision makers for apeswap um and honestly the only thing that you ever have to do to repay me for
that is that whenever y'all launch a token make sure you have some liquidity on apeswap and you tell
them that flu is why um that's all i ask that's an easy one megalodon bro yo you were everywhere do you
like i don't know i i think i feel like you and a few others have have adopted my my advice of go
everywhere try everything how have you liked turn up so far i'm really not everywhere because i faded
stars which is a big one but it got hacked a bunch of money i'm just hearing flexing from you right now
now that's no no it's not flexing and i didn't go mbc i didn't follow you over there um that one's
embarrassing bro come on bro mbc is like the aggregation point right now and it respects your
purchases on on ft and it respects your purchases on sa so that one's an easy one to get exposure to
because that's a that's a banger right there but i felt i was late so you know i'm trying to get in
early so soulmates um oh that's your earliest fuck for sure so basically what you're going to
if you give it quick i'm going to go it and you know take your advice you know and if i can take
out my initial all good i mean turn up's got a lot of potential i'm trying to get the settings working
on the video but when i can i mean why the hell not would you not use it and you can set it so anyone
can watch it right so you just set your camera up live stream whatever perfect then you you show up
on the live page like what the fuck this is crazy turn up any plans for like an ambassador program
kind of like what stars arena is doing oh definitely definitely uh that's a no-brainer i mean like uh
that's no brain for sure yes cool cool uh and we got omega kid up here omega kid has been using the
platform and streaming on the platform um i'm still trying to get a little bit more bnb over there
uh so that i can purchase omega kid but omega kid what's up bro yeah um yeah no um i i tried out uh
turn up earlier today actually i did a little stream on there but there was uh i mean i guess it's still
very new so i didn't see anyone come in one person came into the room um and then i just like came on
on twitter and did a little like guitar jam on here um but yeah no i think it has potential i have
that one thing is like i have no idea how it sounds to other people so that makes things a little bit
tricky because obviously like with twitter you can test things you could you could do a quick one and
check it back to see how it sounds but there's no way to know whether things are coming through
currently unless there's people in your room telling you um and also um out of all of the apps
uh i know you like to bag on stars blue but out of all of the apps that's the one i've actually made
money on like new bitcoin city is uh it's fine but uh i'm i'm struggling on there because i don't have
whale bags to throw red packets and wheels about and so it's hard like i've been trying to post for
some engagement on the timeline but like people only want to know about red packets and wheels
and that that's fine like we're still early things will change i'm a bit sad that the little games on
there have disappeared because because they were fun um but yeah no um i think that i think they
removed the games in order to incentivize them what do you mean because remember all of the all of the
game logic and game save states are all stored on chain like it's those are completely on chain
games which is a wild and b really cool but yeah i think they i think they removed that because they've
been they've been teasing um like gambling between us between us like in a circle on those games forever
and yeah if they took it down for that then i'm like super happy about it i'm super stoked for it
to come back yeah because that the um the the i think it's like called pepe fight or something where
you like you just like spam different uh meme characters each other and like they'll bash each
other in a line and you try and win on that that that was that was really fun um i think like i don't
know bitcoin merge the the merge one with the numbers was my favorite this is the thing though
like it'll be it'll be interesting to see which ones take off and i'm sure like if they've done
those ones there's there's more that they can do with that i'm really interested to see also like
how it ties back into like the whole forgotten's runes universe because that's gonna be cool that's
words dot art not no nbc oh that's just words is it okay interested and like my prediction currently
i don't know if anyone else has actually read the 49 page white paper for the forgotten runes universe
uh i have um i think it's either gonna be mana or it's gonna be gold that we're actually earning on
words dot art i could use some gold to be fair but i like i also i also think because like i'm a
tinfoil hat motherfucker i think that like the the game of with the game i think the game is also
linked to forgotten runes because like what are the chances that dota is the first person to play the
game you know what are the chances like honestly what are the chances like mathematically what are the
the chances i'm gonna say 69 percent i'll accept it yeah um but yeah no i think that i think that
ah man i think that we're entering a whole new era for for this stuff and i think a lot of people are
mad at me for for winning across a bunch of different apps and i'm just like it's the same story as
2021 which is social fi rather than game fi and before that it was defy summer right like it's just
the same it's the same story over and over and over you just go where the capital the liquidity is
and and that's where you play and you just learn the internal logic for whichever um meta that exists
within that cycle and i think that this cycle is going to be centered around social fi
because it's a very easy i think it's a very easy thing to focus around and i could be wrong but
i've been right a lot in the past and i think i'm going to be right about this as well
um i think what johnny was saying earlier right about people getting mad when you get sold i i find it
fascinating because most of the people in social fi have been in defy or crypto or trading or whatever for a
long time and the rule the first rule of all of these things is like don't get emotionally involved
in your investment and yet we see it time and time again where people do but like i guess when people
tie their value to a number on a screen then they're gonna get upset by things but i think it's gonna have
to be part of like the education when people come in if you tell someone to like get involved just be like
you have to tell them look like i'm buying your key but you've got remember this is just a defy
platform and like we're all trying to like make it together and we it's possible um but like people
will buy and sell you and at the end of the day like liquidity um being moved around is is good for you
and so realistically why are you mad um if people buy and sell me i'm like okay cool i've got a bit
of uh a bit of value there and i think the thing is that people look at their portfolio value and
they're like okay that's what i've made here and that that's the biggest mistake is people getting
emotionally attached to their portfolio value rather than being like okay well that's my portfolio value
realistically the value of what i've done here is actually if everybody sold me um plus the value
of what i'm holding of other people like if the platform like has a crash or whatever and like
everyone decides to get out like then what trading fees am i gonna make and then like who's gonna stick
around and still use it and like who's gonna vibe and and that kind of stuff so i think and and
and we're farming airdrop as well so i i don't know i think try it it's just a case of like we're
gonna have to educate people as we go along and like calm people down and it's it's the it's a
tale as old as time in anything finance like motivated right i think that most people within
and i'm gonna say this as nicely as possible and so like if you're in this chat right now if you're
in this space right now and this applies to you consider it like i think that if you look at the
number on a screen every day and it affects your mental well-being you need to take it you need to
take a few steps back because like i'm accused constantly and i i choose to do this right i'm
accused of being mentally unwell or i'm being i'm i'm i'm crazy or like i'm unstable or whatever
like i'm playing a character i've always been playing a character i've never been dishonest about
that but like the one thing that made me go off the rails during the last market in 2021 was that
tying my emotional well-being to if a number had went up or down and like
i fucked up my mental state so bad just like fixating like like when the first time that i
fell back below a million dollars was just like i was such a bitch for like two fucking weeks after that
day i was such a fucking bitch like two two weeks probably three weeks and like if i just would have
been like okay that means i've made some mistakes along the way what mistakes have i made what what's
happening whatever because this was before the bull market hit or sorry the bear market hit this
wasn't like a larger downtrend in the market this was like me investing in shit that didn't work out or
whatever and if i would have just went and been like okay well this is hard evidence that i'm not
making the best decisions possible because my friends are up right now and so like what are they
doing what did i not do right but instead of doing that i spent three weeks two weeks whatever i spent a
long fucking time just being a bitch about the fact that i had lost money and i'm putting that in air
quotes right and so if you find yourself looking at these numbers every single day and they're
affecting you guys y'all gotta take a step backwards and if you're playing with money that you shouldn't
be and i'm guilty of it i'm guilty of it as recently as like two weeks ago whenever i put my mortgage
money into fucking friend tech right like it's just take a step back and like look at things and be like
how can i make this affect me less how can i how can i do this do i need to take money out of anything do i need
to put money into anything like and i'm always there to have those conversations with people
if you need them but like honestly a lot of it's on your own and you just gotta you just gotta cope
with the fact that like things are gonna go up things are gonna go down and like you're gonna miss
some things and you're gonna hit some other things and people are going to buy you and sell you and
honestly it's no different than whenever they bought and sold the different shit coins that you're
invested in it's just it feels more close to home because now we are the shit coins and so just pick
strong shit coins pick mike pick johnny pick megalodon pick triz actually you know what don't
pick triz but like pick people that you know and that show up to spaces and that show up every day
and that use the different apps that you're on and some people aren't going to use some apps and some
people are going to use other apps bread's on several and yet bread is is primarily on like a couple
right and then i'm on all of them and sure i'm responsive to people who talk to me but like
am i posting non-stop if i am i fucking spamming in stars arena no because that doesn't a that
doesn't excite me and b like i have to measure everything out with like various levels of time
that i have for everything but i try to be on every app every day and so it's just it's silly to me
whenever people are like oh my god you sold me dude i literally just gave you money i i gave you
money in a very direct way by selling you shut the fuck up you know i come here to support your ass
blue mm-hmm no i know i know it's an awful mistake we've been meaning to talk to you about it
we got brian colligan here brian what's up you're still in uh 2022 over there i don't see you on any
of these social apps that's really like five minutes of your fucking time that's all it takes bro you lazy
motherfucker there we go got him up here guys ladies and gentlemen that's bait that's good bait
right there we just bait them i got they come up i got no friends i i got barely got any tech
yeah and i definitely got yeah friend tech mm-hmm yep mm-hmm no we yeah we know don't go on friend tech
that one's boring right now it's a little bit slow go on turn up dot so what uh is that who you joined
uh no actually no i'm just i'm chilling turn up dot so because they're here and because i like the
app and right now money mates isn't really working all that well so maybe what's money
maybe i don't what what chains are we on now like we're like 18 different chains
mm-hmm yeah that's the point yeah it's called having a diversified portfolio right
you're supposed to be on multiple chains that's the whole goal yeah you got like lots of friends
everywhere i got friends over here i got friends over there i got friends on this chain i got
friends on that chain what yeah man hey what about all right what about friends on ton do you have
any friends on ton on ton yeah i feel like this is like a d's nuts situation but i'm gonna go ahead
and fall for it what's ton are you kidding me dude friends on telegram telegram open network
what you are not following what the fuck are you talking about dude i've never heard of ton i've
never heard of here are you are you for reals i don't know what i'm actually for real but also
i hate telegram why would i care okay okay okay okay okay hold on hold on hold on hold on before
the end of the year white paper or some shit no no before the end of the year 800 million wallets
with an airdrop coming to ton every telegram account turns into a wallet
can you pin this up top uh this is like i did this are we uh shit we're recording i love how simply
he sold that off to me yeah put it up top like that would just also the brain explosion was
very good hang on what weren't they gonna do this with like tell yeah they were gonna do this
a couple times they got they got in huge trouble they got new but yeah but now like what are you
talking about yeah but now it's just russia and saudis so it's totally cool like they don't even care
they're just like uk forget you us forget you we're just gonna do it anyways
who where are you getting your information bro that what's what's the number one coin that it's
gone token that's gone up in the last year like by market cap it's pawn dude look check it out it's
like number 12 or 13 in market cap there's a reason for this there's a reason why they're selling 50
million hundred million dollar clips at a time bro have you not heard of all of the recent exploits of
like all the telegram based bots and trading platforms and everything yeah yeah yeah that's
that was that was last week this is this is this is coming by the end of the year they'll solve all
hear that flu that is that that is last week's fucking information this is fucking this week's
this is this is this is this is 800 million people with with token despair that need token games to play
hey hey hey hey every fucking time we use the phrase people whenever what we mean are wallets
a virgin dies without ever getting laid so let's save some of the sappy seals lives and let's go ahead
and walk that back it's 800 million wallets okay okay that's fine i you know there's like spam accounts
on telegram i only have like eight of them sure but uh you know they're really good and they're
gonna get airdrops and the premiums will probably get more uh they stopped the mining and uh just
within the last three is this owned by telegram it's loosely owned by telegram
yeah telegram is like kind of owned by the russian government so it's like russian oligarchs and
soddies why why are you making me perish on the thing you're trying to sell me on wait wait what
total left turn now i don't support i believe it's mostly owned by hummus
yeah hummus hummus if you have the right accent they're in for the oh so wait when i go to a
grocery store and i go buy hummus i support you well yeah okay um i feel you but i don't feel you
no no no that's just jokes and the but russians and soddies dude like honestly they got money
they got to put the money somewhere they got to put the money to work
so anyway turn up dot so turn up would you like to do like a two-minute spitch
bitch fucking hell i can't speak would you like to do a two-minute pitch to brian
um and explain which terrorist organization owns a controlling stake in your platform
not yet but uh yeah please uh you know feel free to join turn up uh that uh we do live streaming
uh for social by so a lot of interesting features coming up and we can play daily trivia
like uh how you're used to play hq trivia every day thanks
that was an easy one brian um functional live streaming and so i'm actually about to
probably wreck this space i'm about to rug the space i'm going to run up on over
to turn up dot so and do a quick stream on there that's exclusive to their omega kid what's up
um just before you you rug well wreck the space let's uh let's let's not mince our words um i was
curious because there are all of these different like social fires right i'm on i'm on friend tech
i'm on soulmates i'm on a new bitcoin city i'm a stars arena um and probably someone forgetting at this
point but one thing that i find interesting is like they all have various levels of media available
um is there gonna be a way in the future like i genuinely don't know the answer to this but
to to integrate something like what turn up has so say for example like you're on stars arena and you
could just embed your um your turn up stream like straight into there is that something that would even
be possible so you can like i'm i want to do this with uh within this thing that i found today
um called dream os i really want to make basically wrappers for all these different apps specific to
that interface that react app that they have um big fan of what they're doing uh and i also want to do
it from like a purely like react based like front end overall so where you can basically have all of
these on one page like i want to have my stars arena i want to have my friend tech i want to have my
turn up i want to be able to have a bot that like sends the same message to all these different things
to hit all the different audiences and stuff um i'm i'm a huge i'm a huge fan and this is what i was
saying in the very beginning like first couple weeks of friend tech being out even is that i
said over and over again i'm not super uber bullish on friend tech i'm uber bullish on everything that
we can build on friend tech and every friend tech clone that comes after it because even back then i
knew there was going to be clones and it's been proven out pretty well and i'm i'm very excited about
those sort of opportunities to do collation uh aggregation discoverability uh decentralized
reputation all that sort of stuff that's that's building atop all of these different identities
that we already have within all of the other shit that we have
upturn underscore so really just feels like a a scam account
why do you know who upturn is turn up
i don't looking for intro
look at him
bro accept everybody get let them the fuck up here
if they want to come up they'll come up
bro he obviously up turns the turn up like what the fuck do you mean
turn up turn up turn up up turn usually reverse way uh cool looking it's interesting to see we
have the same background how's it going bro that's free advertisement right there that's free real
real estate yeah yeah yeah yeah so up turn up turn so so it's
is it with you guys with you guys like streaming platform is social fi effectively just rewriting all of web2
like we're gonna have like our youtube we're gonna have like our newsletter we're gonna have like our twitch
that's that's basically what's going on right well um some people try to do that i mean i i
wouldn't i wouldn't call that the most you know efficient way to do because web2 projects especially
with the beast these tycoons they got so much capital and talents um you know fi social is really
with a social kind of a as a vehicle for the engagement and that's the real goal the focus is on the fi
okay so everybody's their own token everybody's their own uh three three ponzi
um i you know that's a different right i think ft started as a good start um introducing a lot of
the mechanics and then like i would say that's introducing unit swap to the defi world ish with
amm with a bonding curve so that's all cool but i don't think it's
three three is a very very very specific subset of all of this brian and there's many of us who
fucking hate three three so um no definitely no but we need we need our friends to buy us right
we need like the whole thing is like we don't really need your friends we keep needing more
people to come and buy us i want people to buy me that have never met me i want people to buy me so
that i have like new networking opportunities and like that's how it's been my my following has grown by
over 2000 in like the couple months that social fi has been out uh i've reached like whole new
audiences and if you look right now in this space brian you notice that no one's wearing the same pfp as
each other that's cool yeah yeah so do we have anybody like yet going door to door like selling their uh
their friend tech keys like hey like you know buy my friend tech keys and then like we can like hire
other people to like sell our friend tech keys for us i'm so fucking bearish on you right now um
um where where people sell their keys to their family but you have to buy my key first
before you you let your families and friends buy their keys right so and then you and then
guess what happens once we get high enough you get a box of knives what do you think
brian why are you the way that you are like you could be making money off of this you could be
i don't know man i've gotten i've gotten like three different contracts in like the last week
just because i'm an expert on this where like most people are just on like one account or like one one
or two platforms like i'm telling you dude i'm gonna i'm gonna you're about to get a fourth one with me
because i need help in the space coming up in the next month space so i know yeah and i'm not even
cheap to you because like you know you know it's it's good though dude it's like you keep doing what
you're doing i'll do what i do you know we throw some grants around we got it again some advisory
shares yeah some chains want this hot sauce they don't even know how to get this hot sauce started
like how do i get some cables i really know how to push this out there yeah it's like nft marketplaces
like a year and a half ago like everybody was like oh i need an nft marketplace with the nft
influencer now it's like i need a social fi app yeah i've already been offered by two other chains
they're like oh you're doing this do you have anything yet i'm like i mean yeah kind of because
like everyone has the fucking friend tech contract right but like it's so like i don't know people
could play some mean games right now with chains people could play some absolute savage games right
now with chains hey turn up yeah you want some grants from some from some different chains to
to make your shit multi-chain bro we're looking into a multi-chain we're talking to
multiple chains to to uh to see to explore the question and cover but give it i'm gonna give you
i'm gonna give you a heads up and this is the one time that i will ever speak positively about him
in this space hit up brian colligan he can help you he's very effective at what he does he's very
brian cover your ears
just just cover your ears okay anyway brian's very good at what he does he gets a lot of money
for promising projects you're an extremely promising project and uh you can deal with his
bullshit and he can deal with you
feel fucking disgusting all right i'm rugging the space brian colligan buy my keys on everything
i'm fucking done with you um we'll do we'll do as soon as i get there especially turn up dot so you're
gonna need some bnb yeah i like i like the i like the streaming idea that's that's super cool i'm
gonna check it out we were looking at um x cad for another another company another chain and uh you
know let's uh i'll go check out like turn up yeah okay thank you sir i followed you already
yeah sounds good anyway um all right guys omega kid what's up and you're gonna have the last last word
before we rug um yeah i just wanted to say in amongst all of this like you know savage
gamery from wales and all this kind of stuff like i've met a lot of really cool people and um like
just doing the social fire apps and i know that like we want to make money and that's a big part of
it but um i just wanted to say like i'm i'm bullish on the social aspect of it uh i don't know i i
love it it's really good fun and you expose yourself to circles that being stuck on twitter
you otherwise wouldn't have access to so i don't know that's that's the and i got the last word
fuck you all turn it off blue right now fuck you all nope sorry i'm gonna remove him from speakers
remove him from speakers omega kid what did you say whenever
the cowboy flipped off the back of the bull did a complete backflip and then landed on his feet
i said i said i said what a lad
