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DeGrants application review - Art/Music/NFT/Community
Recorded: Nov. 30, 2023 Duration: 0:53:00Space Recording
Full Transcription
Hello?
Hey, good evening, sir, GM.
How are you doing, man?
I'm good, I'm good.
Just working on my proposal, pitching ideas to people, and then working on the data flows,
working on the marketplace.
Working on what, sorry?
I said I was just, for a few days now, and then after the grant application, I've been working on the proposal for the marketplace,
pitching the ideas to people and connecting, basically.
Which project, sorry?
Which project are you working on?
Can you be, I wasn't, I couldn't quite get it.
Stacks Nation.
Oh, Stacks Nation.
Right.
The music one, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
That sounds good.
I mean, obviously, you understand we are currently under review, right?
I mean, you are definitely welcome to join.
I think you're on one of the MSC Stacks Nation.
Oh, maybe we can talk about Stacks Nation today, because I think it's a NFT, music.
So, it could be relevant, this meeting, actually.
So, it's good that you're here, actually.
Yeah, I was thinking, debating whether to invite everybody who might be under review.
Maybe it's a good idea.
It just takes extra effort to organize, that's all.
Yeah, but I just want to caveat, like, your stuff is under review.
So, it's not like a guarantee, right?
So, I know you're already, like, everybody's so different.
Like, some people start working on it, some people just waiting for that to be granted.
So, I think you just have to understand the status of where we are and take that into account when you're working on stuff.
Yeah.
So, basically, you're right.
So, about that, I've basically been pitching the ideas to people and then seeing if I could get support from them so I could start working on the project.
Because it's kind of crucial for Stacks and for the music community as a whole that are being onboarded.
Yeah.
So, I think you need to, I mean, you submitted two grants, right?
So, do you have an idea, like, how you're going to be able to, let's say, the best case scenario, you get both.
How are you going to be able to concentrate on both?
Like, I think it's pretty challenging, you know?
If I got it wrong, I didn't apply for two grants.
So, basically, the governance grant was, the OpenGov grant is not mine.
It's ONC's grant application.
And then, I'm focusing on Stacks Nation.
I thought I told you about that before.
Right.
I don't know.
Okay.
Let me double check.
So, it's my friend.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I see.
I see his name here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Welcome.
I like your NFTs, dude.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sorry.
I get a bit confused sometimes.
Cool.
Right.
I'm just going to start invite people up.
Today is kind of official, semi-official session.
Because we're going to try to see how it goes before we do the proper process.
But we have a rough process.
Should be.
I'm just getting things in place.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If, good kitty, you want to host, feel free.
Yeah.
One second.
Let me just invite people up.
Hey, everyone.
Hey, Natalie.
Hey, Hiro.
Hi, y'all.
Hi, everyone, everyone.
Nice to see you.
UpReality.
TrippinMonkey.
Excited to chat to you guys tonight about your proposals.
So, yeah.
Looking forward to it.
I'm just finishing breakfast, so I'll give you like five minutes to wait.
I'll give you like five minutes.
I'm just finishing breakfast, so give me, like, five minutes.
I can hear you, though, because y'all should not interrupt my lucky choice.
Have we lost Hiro?
Hiro!
Oh, sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm just in a spreadsheet.
I'm just, like, in a spreadsheet trying to get it ready for today's discussion.
One sec.
I'm copying over some information from the review criteria so we can have some reference.
Yeah, okay.
It should be okay now.
Yeah, so just a quick get-together session.
I haven't had time to do a lot of promo, but we will do all this, trying to line up all
this sort of post for next week.
So we can have, like, different sessions going on throughout the week, and also maybe even
having two sessions at the same, sorry, not at the same time, but one after another, so
that different categories have good visibility into each other's sort of review, because
I think if we do all this review very, very isolated, like, I think it's always good to
have different perspective.
So I'm trying to sort of arrange next week to have, say, the community reviews, like, there's a lot of educational stuff
come up, chapter stuff came up, even, like, in real life stuff came up.
Yeah, so sort of trying to tag on to, like, NFT and art reviews so that if people want to, you
know, check out another area's sort of applications, people have the opportunities to, rather than
doing them completely separate.
Yeah, so welcome, everybody.
So, yeah, today we're just going to do a quick session, almost like a test run of how we're
going to do the review, but actually going to be live reviewing stuff.
But I do want to see whether it's better to actually invite those people who might be part
of the review next week, do it properly that way.
So it's kind of pseudo official today.
But, yeah, if you want to invite anybody from down there, Natalie, a good kitty, feel free
I think Abraham just requested.
Brian, you're always welcome to come up, too.
I know you're Maxie, but we are actually trying to fund people to develop Bitcoin here.
So it should be net positive for Bitcoin, Brian.
Anyways, so since today we got the expert Natalie and good kitty in the house, if, Natalie and
good kitty, do you have the, do you have the link to view order applications?
Yeah, I've, I've got it, I've got it open actually in front of me and I've been through
all of them as well.
Oh, wow.
You've probably been through more than I have.
I've just been trying to open it.
No, not, I mean, not all of them, sorry.
The, the NFT ones.
And then I've sort of glanced through all the rest of them, but specifically the NFT
ones.
Oh, okay.
So do you mind if I ask, what's your sort of initial thought?
Like, as in like, uh, not about each individually, how do you feel about looking at all of them?
Like, is it interesting for you to look at every categories and different applications?
Yeah, it's been very interesting actually.
And just, um, I think, to be honest with you, I'm like pleasantly surprised at how many
applications there were, you know, um, and interestingly from people outside the ecosystem.
So I think the project had some great reach, you know, and whatever comes of it, I think
it's an amazing kickoff.
Um, cause yeah, there's some very interesting ideas and what seems like a lot of passionate
people out there, so I'm excited to, a, get to know them and also just to be on the NFT
ones.
Yeah.
Go through the more in depth.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it's, um, I think I did ask some, because I don't know how many is too many or too few.
And I did ask people at the foundation, but they think like, well, I just tweeted out like,
uh, how many we've got and it seems like we do do have, you know, for the size that we
are, I think we do have, uh, a good number of, uh, submissions.
So that's a good thing.
Like actually people submitted and obviously thanks to you guys, um, bringing the awareness
to, um, you know, other people in the space.
So I think you, you guys definitely played a big part.
So really appreciate that.
Teamwork makes the dream work.
Yep.
Um, yeah.
So if upper reality, anybody guys, any of you guys want to come up or help retweet to share
this Twitter space and let people know we're doing this all out in public and transparent.
Everything we discuss is, you know, it's here, there's nothing that's behind the door.
That's the whole sort of, uh, one of our core values to be transparent, um, because historically
just for the context, what those people don't know, I think all the different grounds, they
all decided behind the curtain, uh, typically.
And, and the, the, the, the, the, the community or reflection is that that's just too, not
transparent enough and we don't know why we get rejected.
Um, so by hope, hopefully host, hosting these in public, people can have really good idea
or really, they can really understand the reasons why it wasn't perhaps chosen.
Um, um, you know, not because the project is not strong or something, but maybe for other
reasons, but everything is, uh, everybody who, um, submitted just has exactly, um,
exact, the same understanding as everybody else.
So there isn't any information arbitrage there.
Um, so that's why we're doing this out in public.
Um, so maybe, uh, how I, I thought maybe that we, uh, me, good kitty, um, Natalie, we would
just sort of, I first divided them into three categories, three groups.
We have so many different categories and some different stuff, but sort of, if I own the
whole zoom out, like there is a little bit more Debbie stuff, like techie stuff, and there
are community stuff, some of which are also NFT related.
And then we have like NFT, NFT stuff, um, music stuff.
Um, so I, the, the ones that highlighted in yellow were maybe more NFT stuff, which are
more like you guys sort of wheelhouse.
And then the ones that are green are sort of, um, crosses over your, uh, your area, but
also like people like stacks, uh, London or chapters, more like localized initiatives, um, and even like
some Spanish translation and stuff like that.
So that's those, I think there are some crossovers, but I think, I think both of these are relevant
to each other, but at least for today's focus, we could focus the, the yellow one, and then
maybe we can go through the, the green ones if we have time, but, um, but yeah, maybe we
can just go like one by one, or how, how do you think, um, how do you think about that?
Natalie, do you have any thoughts?
Or maybe good kitty.
Um, yeah, I'm cool to go through them one by one, quick sticks and just sort of get a
general feel.
Um, and if anybody else wants to come up and, you know, give their time in, then let's do
What do you think, Natalie?
So have we lost that, Nina, Natalie?
Natalie, she's probably washing up.
Her cat has finally taken her out the window.
Yeah.
So I think just to get a sense of what the projects are about.
Um, so yeah, the first one, Bitfire, um, and also I, I put the review criteria underneath.
Like when we go through this, we, maybe we can talk through, uh, how it relates impact
wise, feasibility wise, um, team experience wise, um, innovation and quality wise, self
sustainability of the projects being funded.
Um, some of them, the criteria might not be relevant to individual projects, just to caveat
that.
Um, and also like relevance to sex and also how the community feels.
Um, so the first one, actually I forgot to do intro.
Sorry.
Sorry.
I know Natalie, uh, it's a good idea to do a quick intro.
Let's just do a quick intro.
If you guys don't mind.
And we have like half an hour, so it's good, good time.
Um, so Natalie, or good kitty, do you want to start with yourself just to let people know
who you are, uh, what we're here for, uh, et cetera?
Yeah, sure.
Um, right.
I'm good kitty.
Um, I've been with the stacks ecosystem for about two years.
Um, I'm the founder of the Bitcoin art collective, which is a community of creators, um, uh, who,
yeah, the community of creators and, um, also the OMI gallery, which is, um, basically just
bringing those artists who are in the collective, they work out, uh, into a more public, um, place.
So yeah, I'm just working with artists and, um, trying to really passionate about growing
the stacks ecosystem.
I've always been passionate about stacks and I'm excited about, um, you know, what this
bronze program is going to do for stacks.
So yeah.
Um, Chipper Monkey.
Uh, if it's not around, maybe at Crossfire.
Hey guys, uh, Crossfire, I've been, uh, doing a lot of the SIP education, uh, talking a lot
about the Nakamoto and SBTC upgrades, um, but just generally a big, uh, fan of stacks as
well as Bitcoin and, um, I'm very excited to, uh, just kind of see the, the grants program
thrive.
So nice to be with everybody today and, uh, kind of go through some of these, uh, some
of these, uh, submissions.
Um, Abraham or Trip Monkey?
Trip Monkey.
Oh, hey.
Yeah, sure.
I can go.
Um, so hey, Trip Monkey, um, not actually a steward, but I am an applicant.
I feel like that's like a hair club for men commercial or something.
Um, but, but yes, uh, applicant, um, working on, I don't know, it's kind of the community
side, it's kind of NFTs, it's kind of SFS, SBTC, but, but, uh, I'm focused on like decentralized
economies or commerce.
So marketplaces and bringing developers and artists together, um, to build those marketplaces
that are very decentralized and lean heavily for self-sovereignty.
Um, and I think that's about it.
Um, Abraham and then, uh, Civil Monkey.
Uh, you can call for me, I didn't quite hear you guys, I was having some network issues.
I think that was network and noise, background noise issues.
Yeah, maybe Civil Monkey, do you want to introduce yourself?
Uh, you can, you can call me Civil, uh, Alex.
Um, I wanted to ask if, um, applications are still open.
I wanted to submit.
No, I, no, I, it didn't, didn't come out.
I could, should have done that better.
I should have, should have, um, trained that one.
Um, no, I have no business here, I have no idea about stacks, but I, um, showed Hero
Gamer, uh, into the Bitcoin community.
Um, but I think it's actually interesting.
So, um, yeah, I think it's cool to put smart contracts on, on Bitcoin.
And I was very happy to, to hear from like different people and see so many, so many different
grantees working on all sorts of different things in the, who applied.
So yeah, I think it was pretty cool how many different people applied.
Um, yeah, um, Natalie, if you're around.
Okay.
Not yet.
Okay.
No problem.
Um, so yeah, thanks everybody for coming.
We're here to review the, all the ground applications in public.
Um, I have pinned, uh, can you see the pinned tweet?
Uh, yeah.
So you can view all applications, uh, the same way that we do.
Um, so yeah.
We, how about if we just get started and see what ideas we have and maybe we can gauge a
sentiment about which ones that the community feels like is going to be beneficial, um, to
stacks, uh, interesting to stacks.
Um, and then we can see if we can get some sort of consensus, how to move forward.
Uh, because we do have 200,000, 200,000 requests, sorry, 200,000, like in terms of funding requests,
of funding requests, but we only have 25,000, so we're going to have to narrow down somehow.
Um, but yeah, I think it's just nice to do it together.
Okay.
So, um, the, the review criteria, you can see at the bottom of the list, uh, there are seven,
seven review criterias, uh, based on impact, visibility, team experience, innovation, sustainability,
relevant to stacks, community sentiments, and I do have to caveat, caveat, not all of them
will apply to each case.
So we just need to take that into consideration.
That's all.
Um, and the idea is if we can have the stewards, perhaps, uh, we'll see how, how it works, how
it goes, but the stewards such as, um, good kitty, maybe you can rate the idea from one to
six, um, at the right-hand side of the sheet, um, for the ones that you feel like you have
the relevant experience on, um, or if you're comfortable to rate it, um, don't feel like
you have to rate all of them, but anything that you feel like it's, it's, uh, you, you
have the expertise to do, to do, or anybody else can do so.
Uh, Brad, what's up?
Uh, sorry.
I just answered my own question.
When you said the 200K, I was looking at the spreadsheet and I was wondering if I was
reading it correctly.
So there's 51 submissions, correct?
Uh, 46 submissions.
The first three are just tests.
Ah, okay.
Ignore.
Okay.
Okay.
So 200, you said 218K dollars.
Okay.
All right.
Nevermind.
Sorry.
Oh, uh, the other question I had was I saw in the submitters, I just glanced over real
quick.
There's a couple, a couple of people in the community that also like GoodKitty and I think
Benaya that applied.
So that's fine, right?
That people.
Yeah, that is fine because, uh, at the end of the day, we just need to find the, the best
thing for stats, you know, being a steward that shouldn't, uh, affect your.
Uh, ability to apply as a grantee.
So what we will have to do is if they are the one who apply, just, we need other people
to review it.
That's all.
So I think we shouldn't overcomplicate the situation.
Cool.
All right, guys.
All right.
Let's give it a go.
Um, so we have roughly eight to 15, I think NFT related stuff.
Um, so yeah, the first one, um, bit men on fire, um, it's a 3d NFT collection.
Let's see.
Let's open this up.
See if there's any links available.
Uh, we don't have the pitch videos.
So I guess from the description, um, the main point of the project is to, with STL linked
to allow people to print the NFT and get it, the real ones.
It sounds similar to the only print stuff.
Um, do, do people have any thoughts about that?
Does anybody know who this person is?
Um, I'm not sure that I know who they are.
I think, um, I did hear them speak on one of our spaces that we had.
Um, I don't think it's similar.
I mean, I had a look at it.
I don't think it's similar.
I think this, um, project is an NFT collection that he, or they want to print out their collection
is what I, so I think they, yeah, they want to, what's it, what does it say here?
I think it should be interesting to get it for real thanks to 3d printer and then a constant
reminder of the emotional link to the NFT owned.
So yeah, I think this project is to build out whether it's their own project or to develop
additional NFTs.
I'm not sure how, but through printing them out with an NFT printer, NFT printer.
And I know I spoke to somebody once before about it, where they were going to, he's a
sculptor in real life.
Um, and he wants to sell NFTs of the image and then he's made like a huge sculpture, you
know, like a massive thing.
And then he's going to make NFTs of the image of this, this piece that he's sculpted and then
print out miniature versions of that sculpture.
And then whoever buys the NFT gets it.
So I've, I've sort of heard about this as a concept before in that way, but, um, I mean,
if it is to build, I'm not quite sure.
Are you sure whether it's just one collection or whether it's doing this so that other people
can print out their, their items through this printer?
So, is that clear to you on this?
Um, I'm just reading it.
It seems to me he's more of an artist.
I think he needs a developer.
Um, you see, I think it's, he's doing his own NFT collection.
Cause if you look in the timelines, it says NFT collection evolution through the storytelling.
Yeah.
So he wants to design the NFT and the roadmap, build a community, create a website, register
it on gamma and then put out it.
So it looks to me like it's a, a single collection.
And he said the funding will be used to buy software license, like kind of a cover pro Photoshop,
CAO software, website creations and various things like, and as 3d printer and filament.
Um, it's long-term brick and it's great database utility stuff, printable in 3d, um, blah, blah, blah.
Um, yeah.
I mean, if you go onto his Twitter, he's got five followers on Twitter.
Um, yeah, maybe he's either, you know, uh, super early, uh, it just hasn't, doesn't seem
to have the audience, um, you know, if it's in this field, um, well, that's the thing I'm
not commenting on, you know, I don't want to, I don't want to make it sound like I'm sort
of dissing his following, but it's, um, you know, if you, if we talking here about, you
know, one of our objectives here is to, or the primary objective is to build out, you
know, real sort of big interest in, you know, rejuvenate the stacks, NFT ecosystems.
Yeah.
That would, that would be a concern of mine.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I like to hear.
Yeah.
I definitely would love to hear other people's thoughts because I'm trying to, I have my own
thoughts, but I'm trying to refrain from giving too much thought because I'm trying to be neutral.
So I would love to hear other people's thoughts.
Um, you know, one thing that, I mean, obviously we'll have to see what the rest of the NFT related,
uh, submissions will look like, but, um, yeah, I don't really see too much in the proposal.
How it will specifically align with stacks, um, yeah, outside of, you know, being, being another
NFT project, which, you know, Hey, it's great to have more of them.
Um, but it's, it's hard to make that direct connection, um, which kind of combined with the,
the reach makes it a little hard to know what the impact would potentially be.
Um, yeah, I said, you know, those would be kind of the, the two things that stand out,
you know, from the initial review.
Um, also, sorry, my cat's whining, um, you're funny.
So, um, you now start to press on, um, also like there are a bunch of people like in web
three NFTs, crypto that have like hundreds of thousands of followers and they've obviously
not all of them, but a good majority of them have bought those followers.
And so, um, while I, I'm all about active engagement and I don't necessarily see that.
However, how are you communicating, how you're bringing people over?
Are you, um, other places like telegram or my space or whatever?
And are there, are you more active there?
Because I know people that, especially in at least a Bitcoin communities that I kind
of trail along with, most of them are in telegram all day, typing all day and night,
and they're not really over here.
And so I'm also conscious of that.
However, um, Twitter is kind of like a town square for crypto web three.
And so I want to see how people are actively like bringing folks into stacks if they're
not already here.
And, uh, so I think at least for me, when I first heard about this grant, that's kind
of the, one of the main premises of, um, or kind of objectives of this.
So, uh, anybody else want to chime in?
Uh, so, um, basically I, I don't really have, um, much to say about that, um, proposal,
that, um, application, the, the, the guy or the person, uh, applied for, but I wanted
to actually talk about, um, the application I made in order to get, um, feedback from Good
Kitty and, uh, Natalie, because, uh, they're kind of the, uh, music people in the ecosystem.
So basically, uh, if you look at the sheet there, you see, um, Stacks Nation, and then
what I'm trying to do is actually create a marketplace to revive Stacks NFTs.
But, uh, I structured it to a marketplace to actually, um, support, um, musicians and
then, um, create a marketplace for music NFTs.
And then also, uh, uh, uh, uh, Sam?
Yeah.
Okay.
Uh, good day.
Uh, good morning.
Good evening.
Everyone on stage.
Sorry.
I came late.
Uh, so for me, I think my opinion rhymes with what Good Kitty said in terms of, uh, popularity,
especially for somebody that wants to create an NFT, uh, community, it has to be somebody
we already know, an important artist that can drive the crowd.
I believe, uh, we are all in consensus where we say we are lacking in a community, especially
in the arts community.
So if you want to create like a project around the arts community, you need to be vetted, you
need to be known, and you need to also prove that you have the experience that you can start
up, that projects that you want to create.
For me, uh, I think it's a red flag for me on this Twitter account.
Uh, though, I don't know the person, the person might be in the community and just start, uh,
probably they just created their Twitter account.
And I feel in that line, I feel it's, it's better.
We invite wherever we are going to review the, um, uh, proposal or the applications so that
they can explain more in details what they are talking about.
But personally, I feel it's just going to create, it wants to create an NFT, uh, community,
uh, something about 3D arts.
We've seen a lot of 3D arts, uh, in terms of, uh, what it wants to use the money for,
uh, for Canva, Photoshop, I believe somebody that wants to create an art community or an
artist himself should already have that.
We don't need to start funding you, uh, to buy tools, uh, probably you just want to
start funding somebody on Fiverr and, uh, get those things.
Uh, so for me, it's all red flag.
Uh, I don't see the points.
He has not shown us the points out, uh, where he will drive in the community that we are
looking for.
He has not proven, uh, his experience is not, uh, well detailed in the explanation of how
he wants to convert the 3D into something tangible apart from the virtual NFTs.
And, uh, who are his, uh, reference?
I don't see any point of reference there and I really don't know the guy.
So for me, it's, it's more on a shaky edge for me till I can get to speak with that person
and press, uh, one-on-one and let's see what probably had more, uh, explanations than
what you just put out in the applications there.
That's just.
Okay.
So, so do we, do we think like maybe the best action for this specific ground is to, um,
invite him back, giving a different opportunity?
Yes.
Let's show off it for now.
Okay.
Do we want to go to the next one or do we want to go to Stax Nation, which is on the
list as well?
Can I make a point of process before Trip and Monkey jumps in?
Um, I know there's, there's no way in, um, the Mushroom Kingdoms, um, Earth that we'll
get through all of these today.
Um, maybe let's be mindful of like, um, the time to spend on each one and make sure we get
comments from everybody, um, and, uh, kind of push through.
And also if there's any like red flags, um, Sam brought up some really good ones, um, that
we are like, um, center those.
And like, maybe there are some grants here that are not aligned.
They don't have a reference or they didn't follow like the format.
Um, then we can weed some folks out if need be, and also invite them to apply in future
rounds if there should be any.
So, okay, cool.
So, uh, I guess what I'm asking is, do you think we just invite this person back or are
we just saying is it no or my, my hands up for, for mainly the answer to that question
of like, to me, I feel like as an applicant, I would like to know a 10 to 15 minute window
where I need to be there to defend my application, um, for, for whatever reason or to explain
anything that's unclear.
So I almost feel like we need to schedule out 10 to 15 minute blocks, let all the participants
know when their application would be reviewed.
If they're there great, if they're not there, that just kind of speaks in itself that they
didn't show up, but, but, you know, to, to try and time it where everybody is there when
that application is being talked about is going to be pretty tricky.
Yeah, Natalie, you don't need to raise your hands.
I think I'm going to raise my hand anyways, just to annoy people.
Um, if we give, so I have, we have a conundrum here and we can maybe move on after this is
that if we give, I want everybody to have feedback so we can encourage people to like write better,
uh, proposal slash applications.
Um, however, if we give everybody 10 to 15 minutes, um, we have about 46 applications,
I believe.
Yeah.
I have to look, I'm not on the sheet right now.
Um, I think I did not do that math.
Yeah.
It's something, it's almost like 500 minutes of, um, several hours of like giving people
feedback.
And so like, while we will spend some time, um, in the Twitter spaces, giving feedback and
like, um, um, doing this round table things, I think it's nearly impossible to give everybody
10 minutes worth of like feedback.
And so if there's a better process to put in place where we can give people like maybe
quick feedback or people want to request that, like, great.
Um, but I also think it's challenging to say, Hey, like schedule your time here.
Um, when I think all that, uh, feedback we're giving as it stands in this, um, Twitter space
actually could be a value to like everyone.
I just, I, I just don't foresee us like spending several hours giving everybody individual feedback.
And as we hopefully do additional rounds, um, we'll probably get more and more applications.
And I will tell you, it's nearly, um, and again, like some of you, you know, I've done
like, um, huge, huge, huge grant, um, projects and stuff like that.
And it's, you can't give everybody feedback.
It just becomes nearly impossible.
And so maybe there's some process that people can dream up and something comes up that rings
a bell, but like, um, the time that, uh, spent on doing that, it just becomes cumbersome.
Um, so again, I hope we can provide some symbols of feedback to people.
Um, but maybe it's not individual, um, with the amount of applications that we received.
So talk me off the ledge.
No, you changed my mind.
I'm on your side.
I think the main thing I'm just trying to avoid is getting to an application and then having
nobody in the space know about the application or understand the application.
But I guess at that point, you just move on to the next one.
Um, yeah, I think maybe, I also think, oh, sorry, you go.
No, I was, thank you, I was just going to say, I also think it's the responsibility of
the applicants to, um, keep a note, um, as to when the, um, the spaces that possibly apply
to what they've applied for is to, um, come along, um, listen out.
And if they feel strongly about something, pop their hand up and come on stage.
So I think, um, because like Natalie says, we simply can't speak to every single person,
but, um, if they feel strongly about something or something to add because we can't quite
grip it, then, you know, obviously welcome to come up.
But yeah, that's what I think.
So I agree with you, Natalie.
Um, yeah, quick, quick, quick comments, um, uh, Silver Monkey and Sam.
Well, Sam, go first.
Okay.
Uh, I just want to buttress what Natalie and Trip Monkey said.
So, uh, since you already mentioned, uh, this one is just a test run, I don't think we
need to stay long, uh, talking about, uh, the application, but what I feel in my opinion
is, uh, probably you categorize each spaces according to the applications we're going to
review that everybody on the statewide list will have some time to go through those applications.
And the next time we have the spaces, we'll come up and, uh, whatever, uh, has an application
up there will be invited or tagged on Twitter.
Then we'll ask them, we'll give them like five minutes to talk about it so that we can
briefly understand what we've read over the days before the spaces.
Then we can just finalize there.
So I think that's better.
And, uh, I like the point where you said, if you have an application there, you're not
in the space there, it tells a lot about your personality.
So I don't think we need to stay long on the application.
Let's just move along.
Okay.
Sorry.
One last thing.
Okay.
This is going to be, this is going to be kind of spicy.
Um, we've held numerous Twitter spaces, giving people opportunities to ask questions about
the application to get feedback.
Um, I don't know how many good kitty and I held, but like we held a lot, um, across a bunch
of y'all held like Twitter spaces.
And so we had many opportunities to like get through your application.
And so we also have like a set of guidelines, right.
Um, that we're looking for X, Y, and Z, like this is the objective of this D grant thing.
And while we're kind of working it out in public, I just like, we have to like have some semblance
of like, here are the guidelines that we set forth.
And like, if you don't meet those guidelines, we'll invite you to like participate in future
rounds.
Um, here is some, a bit of feedback, but we can't spend hours like giving you feedback.
Um, you're going to have to get like upper reality and be here, uh, 25 times a day getting
feedback on your application.
And then you'll, you'll see how much you improve in terms of like your writing and communicating
like your, your kind of project and stuff.
And so I just want to center that we spent a lot of time and there were a lot of applicants
that were dedicated to like getting their questions asked, um, no matter how stupid or
intelligent the question was.
And so I just want to honor like upper reality and some other folks that came.
Um, and so I just want us to like proceed forward and also like stick to our guns on our own
objectives and the guidelines that we set forth.
And so, uh, it sounds harsh, but it's going to help folks improve and show up for themselves.
And so yeah, that's why today is a bit of a dry thing because I kind of knew like, almost
like, uh, like week next week will be more arranged.
So each day there's more, um, theme and then I'll tap because I have their Twitter on this
sheet.
So I will tag them or email them just to invite them to the session.
And hopefully because we can't arrange around the, each applicant.
Um, so yeah, so I guess that's why I make sure to do next week.
Uh, how does it, how does that sound guys?
Do you have any, uh, we only have four minutes left.
So do you have any, anything, any comments?
Um, I don't think we'll have time to talk to about your proposal specifically because
I only have four minutes.
Do you have any comments on the process itself or any, any thoughts you might have?
Yeah.
So, um, basically, uh, I just wanted to add to what, um, Sam said about the, the application
because, um, if they applied for the grant or as they have applied for the grant and then
they see need to, to actually, uh, build or create what they are applying for.
So I think it's, um, their responsibility to be active in the community and also, um, working
with the, or connecting with the, um, stewards to work on their grant application and to actually
review their grant applications for a more, uh, successful, uh, grant.
So I think what he said is true.
And then, uh, it's your responsibility because I myself too, I've been active in the space
and also, um, I came immediately, the space started and I'm also flowing up.
So that's how it's supposed to be.
Yeah, no, Abraham, um, I think it certainly helps a lot, uh, when you're here and it shows
your, uh, you know, uh, your interest and passion for sure.
So, yeah, um, it's all good comments.
Okay.
Uh, any last word?
Because I think it's probably, I think I'm getting a very pretty, pretty decent idea how we're
going to be able to actually run through because we do have a lot of application and it's just
really hard to get through all of them in, in single session.
So, um, yeah, uh, I really appreciate you guys come up for this, uh, mock session.
Um, uh, I, I'm glad that we actually are roughly on the same page now.
Um, and I just want to remind everybody, um, that across just right after this at top of
the hour across is actually hosting a really important Twitter space about, um, potential
adjustments to stacks emission, i.e.
the token, uh, the, the total supply of the token and how it will get emitted.
Um, and the crux of it is that, um, we do have, we, we typically do, um, align the same
halving as Bitcoin, um, but, um, I think because of the minor security, we like to, well, some
people propose to have that, uh, halving delayed by, uh, four years, basically that was the, the,
the key proposal.
Uh, so I do like to invite you to follow him and jump to the next Twitter space to hear about
the, um, and to just discuss or be aware of that, uh, proposal is being, uh, risen up to the
surface lately.
Um, but yeah, uh, civil monkey.
Really quick.
I do realize it is probably not feasible, but I wanted to throw out the idea anyways, um,
in terms of giving feedback, maybe there's a way, um, that people can, um, let known that
they want to get feedback afterwards, like after the discussion or like maybe get a timestamp
of when that grant was talked about or like, but like as a, as an opt in, not so like there
would like, like if I think if, if that email is, is in there and you have a email going around
anyways, it could say somewhere in there, please let us know this way.
Uh, I don't know exactly like replying or whatever.
Um, I guess that's possible.
I guess that's possible.
If I do the admin side, like when we talk through the ideas, uh, when they are not here,
because we'll have a link to this Twitter space, I can just give them the link.
I guess I know I, I could know down roughly when his application has been talked about,
uh, just a little bit extra admin side work.
Uh, but the easiest, it's, it's, it's, it's sending the link to today's conversation, say,
okay, uh, bitman fire, uh, uh, oh, you know, what was his name?
Um, anyway, his idea has been talked about is at the beginning of the session and here's
a link that I could do.
Um, yeah, just any way that people, um, can either get to, get to some way where they can
hear what people were saying when they, when they saw the grant or where they can sign up
to potentially get more feedback.
I would say if, if something in that direction would be done, it would probably be something
when the applicants can opt in because there will probably be some people that, that apply
and if they don't get accepted, they, they won't like, um, some people are more interested
in getting feedback than others.
Yeah.
Yeah, for sure.
I think that, uh, definitely not the first time I've heard about that.
Um, but yeah, that's why we're here before and after the application, we're still here to
help everybody.
So yeah.
Um, uh, yeah, that's a good point.
Um, so, um, let me pin the tweet to the top, um, about a crossfire's Twitter space.
Um, guys, give me a sec.
So follow him, jump onto his Twitter space.
If you don't follow him already, uh, I pinned the tweet to the top.
You can follow him and you can listen to how some people wishes to propose how to adjust
the emission.
I know Brian laughing at me, uh, Abraham, last word.
Okay.
That's it, Abraham.
Okay.
No words.
Okay.
So, uh, sorry.
I, I, I, I kind of, uh, missed what you guys were saying, but I wanted to ask, um, since
I, I wasn't able to, um, talk about, uh, my application.
So I wanted to ask, um, when the, uh, what's the schedule for the next space that will be
held?
And then, uh, will he still be focused on music, NFTs, and then, um, NFTs and us?
Tomorrow, we're supposed to have a developer oriented one, um, like this, but for the developers.
Um, but I think, uh, basically next Monday will be the next one for your application.
Because you're, uh, thank you, uh, and also, um, uh, the questions today and tomorrow for
next week.
Don't worry.
All right.
Okay.
All good, Abraham?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Then also, I just wanted to, um, send a kind of message to, um, good kitty and then, uh,
Natalie.
So I'd like to connect with you guys to see how we can, uh, support, uh, musicians on
stacks, uh, and then also, um, um, um, create a market, um, that will revive NFTs with music
and then, um, a lot of stuff.
So I would like to connect with you guys.
Yeah.
Abraham proposed, uh, NFT music marketplace, uh, and it's in number stacks nation number
four, by the way, if you want to know more about it, um, it's on the spreadsheet number
four.
Okay.
Guys, let's jump to the stacks admission to the space.
Um, but yeah, thank you so much for your time, Natalie.
Good kitty.
Um, yeah.
Couldn't be more grateful.
You guys are here and anybody down there, uh, if you're interested to understand what's
going on in stacks ecosystem and how key, uh, changes have been proposed and how they
are discussed in public, uh, jump to a crossfire through the space.
Right.
See y'all over there.
Bye.
Yeah.
Bye.
Thanks guys.
Bye.
Bye.
Bye.
Bye.
Bye.
