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DeSantis To Run Against Trump | Who Gets The GOP Nomination?
Recorded: May 19, 2023 Duration: 3:36:53Space Recording
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Preston, how you doing, man?
Good, how are you?
Well, I think good, but apparently my voice doesn't work all of a sudden, so we'll see.
You know that much better than Sly Man at Small Talk, are you, Nick?
No, I don't know, you seem to be ignoring me when I came in here and asked you how you were doing, you didn't respond, so why would I small talk with you, you little bitch?
Oh, I thought you asked Preston how he's doing.
I did, but I asked you first, and you didn't respond, so...
But hold on, hold on, what, after you ask, after, after you said, after you said that, Nick, after you said hi, you said hi to Preston and then he said your voice isn't working, yeah?
No, my, my voice is clearly not working today.
Okay, cool. So if you connect the dots, your voice wasn't working.
Your voice wasn't working and you think you said hi to me and I didn't hear you,
but you can't connect the dots that your voice wasn't working. No one heard you, bro. You heard yourself.
So I have nothing to do with my friend.
Smash. See how myr, smashed you there, bro.
Man, you've got all the energy today. You're leading this space. You're leading this showman. I'm dead. I've got a flight in a few hours.
All right, let me send out the invite.
You know what? I see the Crescentines on the list of invite.
I want to do this face on the Crescentines.
Every fucking day I wake up.
There's a new tweet about them.
This is crazy, man.
Is they getting more traction than Trump and Biden?
You can attack them on so many different things.
But some of the things that they're being attacked on, I'm just going to say, are clearly...
It's clearly bullshit.
It clearly doesn't make any sense.
As much as me in the Crosan scenes disagree on practically everything.
It's still a lot of it like, you know, there was this fake tweet put out earlier about them,
you know, tweeting at the DNC saying they need to be paid more or whatever.
I mean, there are plenty of things you can attack them on that are real, that don't include...
Fake tweets like that.
But why?
Why the Crescentines?
There's a lot of people that are, that are, you know, even further left than the Crescentines.
Is it just because they get a lot of traction?
Like the way I see, the way I saw a slight man, by the way, tell me if the mic's too loud.
You know, when I remember when someone did a whole threat against me a few months ago,
when the whole FTCS thing blew up, everything was like, it was about.
We know we counted everything.
Over 90% was like either untrue or like either like parts of it untrue, twisted or something.
Or it's completely untrue.
Yeah, it went viral and it's still pinned on that person's account.
I don't know their username.
It's still pinned it.
It's been like six months.
It was like this is their highlight.
everything they've tweeted has like, you know, a hundred impression, 500 impressions,
maximum one to 2,000.
Yet that first thread about me got over a million, the second one, a few hundred thousand,
and there's, I think it's two or three.
So then what happens, they start making up shit, and it's purely to get the engagement.
That's my guess for the Creston-Stine's.
I haven't read the threads.
I saw one today about something to do with, with some tweet about some person that's,
I have no context whatsoever.
But it just seems to be like an engagement game.
Is that what it is, Nick?
That's exactly what I'm thinking it is.
The guy that is posting these tweets knows better, right?
He is a smart individual.
He has a PhD in...
I don't know what the hell he has a PhD in, but, you know, you can't be stupid and have a PhD.
Slaman, do you have a PhD?
At least it's, oh, no, oh, no, oh, no.
Almond.
All right.
Oh, okay, cool.
Yeah, but I mean, like, okay, so like, Nick, to your point, right?
Oh, go ahead.
That just adds to Nick's point in my way.
But, you know, because that gives this person credibility, right?
It's Dr. Simon something.
I don't know exactly who it is.
I don't know what they do.
But they're the ones that they've been tweeting this stuff for the past few days now.
And, you know, so I don't really know what to...
I don't know what the motive is.
I know a lot of this stuff is very odd.
There's some stuff that is intriguing that's being tweeted here.
But there's other stuff that is very obviously false or fabricated or wrong.
I'm not saying this person fabricated it, but they should know better than to publish some of the stuff that has been obviously fabricated.
So that's my only concern.
Like, you can hit the Krasenstein's on plenty of things.
Don't hit them on fake stuff and lies.
That's not, that doesn't help whatever movement you're pushing.
It seems like clickbait, really.
Like, it seems like it's a lot of clickbait on that to get more like followers or like engagement.
So I agree with you, Nick on that one.
You mean you agree with Mario, the person that said this very intelligent comment.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I'm a bit late, so yeah, I agree with Mario though on that one.
Chief Trumpster, man.
Like, I add you to the list to bring you up as a guest, I'm your man, and that's what you do to me.
I give credit to Nick.
Yeah.
who said,
fuck all,
but we're doing exactly what I said.
This is Nick what he does.
He just comes,
it gets a good story,
he hears something good,
repeats it and takes the credit,
isn't it,
Nick?
That's your,
that's everything you do.
Yeah,
that's my,
yeah,
my modus operandi.
I saw,
I saw it,
like he sees someone
going to a tornado
and get clicks.
He's like,
let me find a tornado
going to it as well.
Well, it's funny, right?
Because there's been so many times where I'm like,
please stop making me defend them.
Like I disagree with them politically, right?
But I've always had a decent conversation like on a space with them.
But then...
But then I actually got to go out and defend them.
Like, dude, quit making me defend them because what you guys are saying is untrue.
Like, there's plenty to next point that we could talk about here.
And none of the shit that you're saying is true.
Like, stop making me defend people that I disagree with on a lot of things.
Well, to their credit, they asked.
I got into a lot of trouble by doing that not too long ago because it ended up, you know,
you know, backfire. Well, I say backfiring. I doubled down on it, so I didn't really care.
When I was defending them against a, uh, when I think Brian was accused of molesting children or
something in a garage. There was obviously no corroboration for this story.
You know, and it's something that this is what the left does to the right. And then so then, then
you had these figures on the right that are like, okay, well, we're going to do it right back to them.
and you know that's that's that's not how I roll I want there to be due process to this kind of thing
there was no due process and the person that made the allegation knew that it was false
but did it anyway let's get let's get let's get him on so Brian is watching the kids and I've just
pinged him so he can't jump on
but let me get
like talk about me
it's fine
no shit it's fine Brian
because you keep getting
the new more followers
every time someone talks about you
but yeah
we'll get Simon
we'll get Nick
we don't do a whole space about it
sorry Brian and Simon
and Simon
We won't do a whole space about it.
It's not that fun.
But we'll get him to, you know,
we'll do like a quick 10-minute segment to laugh a bit.
But yeah, we've got a pretty epic space.
Bill, I think this is the first time you come on our stage.
It's a real pleasure to have you.
Thank you for joining.
Thank you.
Yes, I hope that you can hear me because as of late,
I haven't been able to use my mic.
on these speaker sessions.
Your mic is probably the best one now.
I've got a quick question for you, Bill.
And slam, I'll give the mic to slamman right after
because I know he's got the whole agenda prepared
and done a lot of homework here.
And he gets pissed off every time I kind of take the mic
and ask random questions.
But a poll came out yesterday.
And that pulled by, I don't know, the WPA intelligence,
And it was between Biden and Trump.
And Biden had a, in terms of becoming the next president, who's going to win the election,
Biden had a vote of 47%.
and Trump had a vote of 40%.
We'd love to get your quick thoughts on this point.
That was very early and Pauls don't indicate much and they could change.
But considering where we are today and a few wins that Trump had in recent weeks,
especially the CNN Town Hall, do these poll numbers surprise you?
You know, let's compare the polls now to 2015, right?
Okay.
When Trump first, back when he announced the first time, I think it was in middle of June that he announced.
I think in May of that year, in June of that year, I think May they had six polls, and I think in June they had five polls.
I mean, we're getting 10 polls a day, it seems, you know.
Yeah.
in this cycle. So where is all this coming from? You know, these polls are not free to do.
There's a lot of work and time and effort and money into these. So, you know, you say yourself,
well, who's paying for all these polls to be done? Well, you know, the only people that are
really spending money right now in this space is the Trump campaign since he's the big name that's
declared. And if you're a pollster who's trying to make a buck,
this early in the campaign season when nobody's really paying for polls.
And Trump is the only guy paying for polls.
Well, you're going to make your poll look good for the guy that's going to pay you.
So I think there's an inherent bias there in the polls.
Polling is no longer a scientific random sample because in order to have a scientific random sample,
you need to have about a 92% success rate.
That means about 92% of the people you call need to respond to you to be a scientifically random sample.
Right now,
Due to caller ID, cell phones, this sort of thing, it's about a 6% rate.
So these pollsters can't spend five weeks getting 400 people on their poll.
So what they do is they go off old lists.
They do a lot of these automated things online and so on and so forth.
They might be working off a list from 2020 when most of the people they were calling were pro-Trump people.
And so it's going to be a heavier pro-trum sample.
So it's really hard to tell much.
from the polls right now because, you know,
WPA came out with a poll that said Biden ahead by seven points.
I believe there was another poll that came out,
ABC, Washington Post that had Trump ahead by seven points.
Well, they can't both be right, you know.
So to me, it's just a lot of noise right now.
Nobody in November of 2024 is going to look back at a poll in May of 2023
and say, man, you really blew it.
you know, because it's a free shot right now.
So I wouldn't read too much into the polls right now.
I would look more on the ground, you know.
Where is the confirming evidence on the ground that what this poll is telling us is true?
Well, you know, is Trump, if Trump's really had by 40 points, 50 points, he should be blowing the door off with his fundraising.
He's not.
He is ahead by 40 or 50 points.
True social should be having great numbers.
Bill,
Justin is jumping on in a bit,
but when you say he should be blowing the doors
with his fundraising and he's not.
Can you elaborate on that point?
Well, you know, Trump's fundraising did a little bit of a spike when he got the brag indictment, you know, and he became sort of, it was kind of a martyrous spike, you know.
It's like everybody felt bad for him.
They felt like, you know, they felt like supporting Trump was not just supporting Trump for president because nobody's voting for Trump for president yet.
This was a vote against a two-tier justice system, you know.
They're standing up with it.
It was a bigger issue.
So there was a spike in funding as far as that's concerned.
But for a guy who supposedly is running away with this race,
his fundraising is nowhere near.
There's no big money.
So he said, man, your boy is going to lose essentially, Bill.
I think Bill concluded that Trump essentially is going to lose.
No, what Bill's saying is basically, no, no, he's not saying that.
So he's saying...
Guess what? Trump is winning on the polls significantly from a significant amount and he's just like, don't trust the polls.
Which is fine. You can say that don't trust the polls. But it doesn't show that he's losing.
He's just saying, don't trust the polls, which is showing that.
Well, here's the thing, guys. Here's the thing, guys. It's super, super, super early.
I mean, in 2015, Trump didn't announce, I think, until like June 15th or 16.
Yeah, but wasn't Trump and outside. In 2020,
In 2020, he didn't announce until June 20th.
So we are liking the third game of the preseason right now.
And so it's really hard to read too much.
And the polling is all over the place.
You have 15, 20 point variants of these polls.
DeSantis hasn't declared yet.
Trump is the known entity.
Outside of us, political hack sort of guys, we know about DeSantis, but the average American doesn't know the first thing about DeSanis.
So Trump is getting a lot of the default vote.
Okay, so let me just go to Chief.
Chief, and you got your hand up as also.
I think you want to say some.
So, yeah.
We know, and the newspaper reporters say that DeSantis is planning to announce next week.
We've known for a long time he's going to announce.
Yeah, I think he will.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's obvious.
But Chief, let me ask Chief a question.
So, Chief...
You see the poll results and for example, the latest poll from Harvard has Trump at 65 to 35 between him and Desantis.
And when you put the entire field in, he's 58 to 16 ahead.
And those results have not essentially changed that much since the last month or so, even though we've known that Desantis is going to run.
Do you think the fact that he's not announced as an impact or what do you think then Paul's your chief?
No, I think the polls are going to remain within that range.
Trump is a person who has galvanized the GOP base in 2016, and he, whether you like him or not, he is the person who is, like, the main guy within the GOP.
He is the person who...
has really changed politics as it is in 2016.
I think when people talk about the Santis and Biden and the Santis is, you know,
the president,
how is he doing with the actual GOP base?
And worry for him to be GOP nominee for,
you know,
and get the GOP non for president to run there.
He has to go and get through,
all the states and the primaries, and he has to go and beat Trump.
And people have amnesia and forget just what happened with Trump and what he did to all the other people who ran against him in 2015.
I think it's pretty fair to say that DeSantis is not on that level of Trump in that area.
And for him to try to go after...
the domination when Trump's in the running for that,
people don't remember that Trump went after people.
And he was vicious.
And he was a person who ran campaign and had a great competitors and still won.
So the question is how much money is the Santis or any of the other people going to burn?
And how many people, a small donor, anything returned for that?
Bill, I see you get a hand up.
Just jump in.
Just jump in whenever you want, Bill.
You're muted, Bill. You've got to unmute bottom left corner.
Yeah, but that's...
Okay, yeah, sorry about that. Yeah, I didn't want to talk over the speaker.
It's more like a discussion anywhere, so just like if someone said something...
Okay, I think that... Well, I didn't want to be rude, but I'm new here.
But anyway, I think that we have a totally different dynamic here.
with DeSantis versus what you saw back in 2016 with Cruz and Rubio and those guys.
Okay.
Those guys were like senators.
DeSantis is a governor.
He's the most popular governor in America.
He just won re-election by 20 points.
He flipped four house seats red.
He turned the entire state of.
Florida, Ruby Red.
He took a county like Miami-Dade that Trump had just lost by seven points and won it by 10 points.
That's a 17-point shift.
He won young people.
He won minorities.
He won women.
Okay.
So DeSantis to a lot of people, if I go out to a restaurant tonight, I'm up here and rowing over the deep, if I go out to a restaurant tonight, I'm sitting there.
And the waitress says, Edith's talking to me.
And I explain that I work in politics.
I say, okay, well, what do you think of DeSantis?
She will say who?
Who?
She won't know who I'm talking about because the average person doesn't follow this stuff isn't engaged.
Trump is the known entity.
So if you look at a CBS poll, I think it was CBS or ABC, I can't remember.
Anyway, ABC poll.
They came out, they're one of the few polls that did this.
I call it an intensity poll, okay?
Because most of these polls say, who are you voting for?
But they don't measure the intensity of that vote.
And what this poll came out, I did it in an intensity poll.
And it said that of the GOP base, 24% were locked in on Trump.
Okay, he's my guy.
That's it.
No matter what, he's my guy.
49% were, well, I could go one way or the other.
I'm not sure what I want to do.
27% were locked in against Trump.
So there's the opportunity there because what I've been saying about these numbers for Trump is because you call the average person at dinner time, a total stranger calls them on the phone.
They go back and they're saying, I'm a pollster.
I'm talking to.
Who do you want in the GOP primary?
And they're like, well, Trump, I guess, because I don't know anybody else.
Because I know Trump, okay, yeah, the name Trump, it's a name recognition call.
So I say Trump, well, that puts his numbers up in the stratosphere.
But of that 60% or 55%, how many of those people are responding are intensely for Trump?
So let me go to the point.
Okay.
Only about 24%.
Real quick, guys.
Yeah, so the reason I'm saying, you know, this dynamic of the GOP, you know, the base being for Trump, is there are, even in Florida itself, there are polls out there that show Trump being DeSantis in Florida.
I don't believe any of those polls.
Okay.
I don't believe any of those polls.
Okay.
Well, if I can't, yeah.
I just discount the, I discount.
Because, you know, here's the thing.
The polls are all orders.
You have polls that are 15 and 20 points apart.
You had two polls that came out.
One had Biden up by seven, another had Trump up by seven.
And they're coming out on the same day.
I'm sorry.
You can't have polls.
Can I ask you a question in Trash?
Maybe you can take this one.
Like, like, I'm surprised whether you like Trump or not.
Isn't there Trump fatigue yet?
Again, moving away from, that's what surprises me.
Like, I just feel like people are, whether he's innocent, guilty, there's a witch hand against him, they're risen.
They're just done with this and there's other candidates that they can choose from.
I'm just surprised that we're not seeing the numbers reflect that Trump fatigue.
Or is it too early because DeSantis hasn't announced hasn't gone?
Here's the thing.
Also, you've got to ask yourself, who is it the response to a poll?
The person who responds to a poll is a person who takes a call from an unknown number at dinnertime.
talks to a total stranger about all their most personal thoughts for an entire hour.
Bill, they have,
okay, because it's a long time.
There's a lot of questions.
They have mobile polls.
Who is it?
They have mobile polls.
Yeah, but it doesn't matter on the mobile phone.
It doesn't matter mobile phone, whatever.
But who is it that takes this poll?
I have never been pulled my entire life.
I work in politics.
I've never been pulled.
So who is it that's answering?
These polls. Is this really...
That's the stupid argument.
Okay, guys, guys, hang on.
The first time a poll came out.
Did you say it was a stupid argument?
Yeah, it wasn't a stupid argument.
Because the first time a poll comes out that puts Desanus over Trump, I guarantee Bill will be the first one saying, oh my gosh, Desantis is leading Trump and he's going to make a huge thing.
You can't discount these polls, these pollsters who are accredited, have been around for a long time.
I mean, I think they're probably hacks in a lot of other ways, but their numbers don't lie.
And, you're saying their numbers don't, you're saying their numbers, their numbers aren't scientific.
Their numbers are not, these are not, I tried to explain to you before.
And I'm not going to say that, you know, you're stupid or anything like, I'm not going to insult you personally.
But these polls are mostly backfill.
They're mostly guessing what, it's mostly the pollster guessing what's going to happen.
Also, they're mostly the pollster trying to make a poll that makes the person paying them happy.
You know, these things aren't free.
Now, that's not true at all.
Interactive polls.
There are tons out there that do, they're not trying to make the person happy.
They're going out there.
And.
They're objective. There's no proof to say that.
And listen, I don't want to, you know, sling mud either.
Okay. Let me, let me out there. Hold on. Let me finish my thoughts.
No, listen, since you insulted me, sent you insult to me, let me put it this way.
Since you insults me, let me put it this way.
If the polls, okay, you're saying the polls are right.
You can explain to me how you can have two polls from two legitimate pollsters
taken on the same day and one has Biden up by seven and one has Trump up by seven.
How can these polls be legitimate?
They're completely different bill.
But I can guarantee you as soon as the poll comes out with the Santis in the lead,
you're going to be the first one ringing the bells.
Let me make a point to you.
Let them finish.
One second.
One second.
Go ahead.
Wait, wait.
No, they're not going to let me finish.
Yeah, yeah.
No, Preston, go ahead.
Preston, go ahead.
Tell him to unmute it, Slayman.
Jesus.
Preston, unmute your mic.
Go ahead, man.
Okay.
Yeah, the thought that everybody should be fatigued with Trump because there's been all this stuff going on and we should be able to choose another candidate.
Shouldn't there be somebody we should? No, there shouldn't.
People are not fatigued with him because of the witch hunts there have been.
The fact that we just now discovered that the government knowingly proceeded with an investigation against the president issued subpoenas to campaign officials.
with no case whatsoever.
It was totally politically motivated.
And we find that out.
That's the reason why he has the America First people backing him.
That's why people realize that it's been nothing but a witch hunt.
And they say to themselves,
well, if they're trying to get this guy so bad for this long,
he must really be worth something.
And that's why they're sticking by him.
And that's why nobody's behind DeSantis,
except people like Bill,
who just referred to himself as a political hack.
earlier in the space. Can I say something real quickly? No, real quick. Hang on, Chief.
Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hold on. Hold on. I need to go back to something Bill said.
This is very, very important. And this is an argument that no one's talking about with DeSantis.
So the argument bill that you made was that a lot of people know who DeSantis is in Florida, right?
But not a lot of people around the country know too much about DeSantis. Okay, I can take that
premise. Here's my problem with that. Trump is known nationally. So what is DeSantis going to do that he
already hasn't done that?
earned attention from everybody who have been paying attention around the country, what could he
possibly do to shift the polling that on average, if you look at real clear politics right now,
the average aggregate is 36.9 plus 36.9. So if
everything that DeSantis is known for that he's done in Florida, how is he going to bring that to the national stage to actually get the brand recognition to pull those kind of points away from Trump?
This is my question.
And I'm not convinced because I haven't been able to see where he would actually be able to translate his positions that he's got now in Florida to a national platform and then destroy 36.9 points.
I just don't see that happening.
Exactly.
because he's not known nationally.
If he was known more nationally,
I would say that argument doesn't hold up.
But the fact that he even pointed out
that he's not well known nationally,
how is he going to be able to campaign
to flip that number?
And I'm not convinced that he can.
Okay, well, here's the thing.
We're going to find out.
We're going to find out.
He's going to announce next week.
Okay, and he's going to,
He's going to announce next week.
Now, we just have had 51 legislators.
I just interviewed the House Majority Leader in New Hampshire.
He's backing Trump.
Just had 51 legislators in New Hampshire.
Back, I'm not Trump to Sanis.
He's backing to Sanis.
I had 51 legislators in New Hampshire backing to Sanis.
We have 37 legislators in Iowa backing to Sanis.
I just interviewed the Senate president in Iowa.
She's backing to Sanis.
We just had 99 legislators in Florida back to Sanis.
Okay, these are almost 200 legislators that have come out in the last week that are backing
to Sanis.
Trump has been running since, what, November of last year or whatever, he's only had two governors in the whole country that have endorsed him.
Two, two.
DeSantis is very popular with the governors.
I'm willing to bet that when DeSantis announces, he'll probably have at least five or ten governors come out and endorse him.
Let me just get them.
Then what's Trump going to do?
Quickly, quickly, chief, because I want to go to Johnson.
Yeah, Bill made a point about the polls.
Like, he's...
we're talking about from what I understood the polls between the GOP, DeSantis, and Trump.
Biden, Biden, Trump, Biden, and Sanders polls are a whole different area.
If you want to go and pick a parre poll, do the method that they do the poll and how they do that.
But, I mean, the aggregate of all these polls, even in Florida, are showing that Trump,
Trump is up in, you know, by, in this one at least, was 15.
The other one was 10.
And for Trump to even have that sway in the governor's state himself shows that Trump is a force
to reckon with even in his home state.
And I would say, you know, about polling, you know, you can't trust every poll.
That's fine.
But when you have a, you know, all these polls saying this and the mythology is not too shabby
for them.
Yeah.
You know, I got to say that Trump is someone that is not easy to take down,
and there'd be a lot of money that's going to be burned to try taking him down for nothing.
It's be a waste of money, Mike.
It's not going to be, it's not going to be hard to take.
It's not going to be hard to take something out at all.
One second, one second, one second, book.
I want to go to Justin.
And the reason for this is because, yeah, Preston, I'll come to you because I know you'll want to come back on Justin,
because he's going to back to send us up.
Justin, Chief's talking about money.
We're talking about the fact that there's a huge difference in polls.
while still talking about polls, because I know this is your thing, you do this as a living.
In addition to that, from what you said previously and from what I'm hearing,
Desantis is going to get a huge amount of money compared to Trump.
I mean, correct me if I'm wrong and explain on it.
So if that's the case, is that going to help just overturn the huge difference between the two?
Well, the huge difference will be overcome in this fact that the expectation game is all in favor of DeSantis.
You can look back historically, I think at this point in the race, for example, and again, it's not at all a true comparison.
But I think in 2012, the race that Romney eventually won, at this point in the race, Huckabee was up by the double digits, right?
Things change dramatically.
Politics is a long game.
DeSantis could trip over himself, but once he gets over down the national stage,
he could trip over himself and still do better in the polls because he hasn't even launched his campaign yet.
Trump has never been challenged by the like of someone like DeSantis,
who can speak on his level, very calmly, articulately, and is willing to get down and dirty and make some
very strong arguments. Most importantly, Trump has never, ever been challenged publicly on the issues of COVID, which I think is his most vulnerable point.
I want to specifically talk about this issue. Alex, you've heard what Justin's saying. He's saying when the time comes due to the money that he's going to raise and then the way he applies himself to the public, he's going to destroy Trump. What do you think?
I think that's a lappable thing to say.
And Bill also is making that point that, you know, DeSantis hasn't announced yet, he's saying.
But the American people, the voters that are paying attention, the voters who are going to participate in the Republican primary, they've been thinking that Ron DeSantis has already been in the race since November, which he has been.
He has toured the...
the country, he's Chris Cost of the country on a book tour.
He's been in every state that has matters in the early primary states for many months,
many visits.
And something that I think to Santos' folks and people on his team like Justin should be concerned about,
is that, yes, he has a ton of money, and he's already spending a ton of money.
The DeSantis SuperPec has already spent $12 million in early primary states,
and DeSantis has only gone down in those states since running those ads.
And so when you're already spending...
Is this even legal?
Is this even legal?
Yeah, this is not a super...
Guys, guys...
He's not.
You have to understand how politics works, guys.
Come on.
Let me interject.
I'm going to interjection before.
We're dancing.
Go ahead.
We're dancing around.
We're missing.
I'm sorry.
I'm going to let Alex finish.
Alex.
Yeah.
Well, thank you.
I'm not sure what Bill is referring to there.
But there's already pro-Dissants ads that are running in New Hampshire, running in Iowa, running in South Carolina, all over the country, promoting this guy.
We're ready for run.
I've been seeing ready for Ron ads.
for a year and some change.
And the American people, the Republican voters
who are going to participate in the primary,
they think they already know rounds running.
And the more they hear from him,
the more they see him on their TV,
the less they like him,
and all of the data and all of the polls show that.
And so you can throw $100 million at the guy,
or behind the guy, and see what happens,
but you're going to get the same result.
The guy doesn't have the it factor.
I mean, if Tim Scott had the same astroturfing campaign apparatus that DeSantis has,
everybody's been talking about Tim Scott the same way.
DeSantis is a fine governor, but he is not a generational political talent like Team
DeSantis makes him out to be online.
He's a, he's good at viral moments on social media that are amplified artificially
by his team.
But.
But when you put them in front of somebody in New Hampshire, he hit a terrible visit in New Hampshire.
And I see Jason Osborne in here, I think, made a big mistake in supporting Desantis.
And Jason, I wish you would spend less time campaigning with DeSantis and more time focused on passing the parental bill of rights in your state.
You control.
You have a super majority in the state legislator.
And you can get that done because you're playing patty cake with the campaign trail and DeSantis.
But...
You know, he's doing terribly, and they're spending money already.
And so if I'm DeSantis, I'm worried.
And from my understanding, DeSantis is already shrinking the map.
He's only focused on New Hampshire and Iowa at the moment
because he knows if he can't get through one of those states.
He's absolutely, absolutely finished.
Let me go to Jason.
Jason, defend yourself, bro.
He's saying that you made a mistake.
You shouldn't have supported DeSantis.
Jason, you need to unmute your mic his bottom left.
I think Jason might be agreeing with you, Alex.
Alex.
Yeah, no, I just, I just, let's just, let's just, okay, sorry, go ahead.
Jason, if Jason comments, I, you know, I saw something that New Hampshire has a super majority in the legislature, supermajority.
Supermajority.
It's like 400 members and Republicans dominated.
And Jason is the leader, and he couldn't even get the parental bill of rights passed, but then he's out there campaigning with DeSantis because all these different agenda items are what,
And you think he's going to deal with deliver the state when he can't even deliver the parental bill of rights for,
look, you obviously don't know what the fuck you're talking about there, man, because we not have a super majority of the legislature.
We have an evenly split legislature with 200 Republicans and 200 Democrats plus or minus, and on any given day, you don't know who's going to be in the majority.
So on, and yesterday, we happened to be in the minority, and that parents bill of rights was not necessarily, um, popular among everybody in the Republican Party. And, um, you know, it's not. To Bill's point, I don't think something like that, Don. Well, to Bill's point, like, I think your endorsement.
Honestly, it probably doesn't mean much watching how you couldn't even get 200 Republicans to vote for a parental bill of rights, which is common sense legislation in my opinion.
And so I think president.
Well, tell you what, how about you read the bill for yourself and then make that determination?
And I think if you did, you would find that it wasn't that great.
And it wasn't nearly as good as what they passed in Florida.
Yeah.
So if I had a winning candidate on my ticket at the top, I'd be able to get more legislators elected into the State House, and I'd be able to get more done, which is exactly why I'm supporting Ron DeSantis and I'm not your candidate.
Well, Jason, somebody who I have a lot of respect for when it comes to education issues is named Ryan Gurdesky.
And he was absolutely astonished when you guys going to get that bill passed.
And so, you know, Bill wants to make your endorsement out to be something that's going to be game changer in the state of New Hampshire, where, quite frankly, I don't think it's going to mean much.
They wonder who Ryan is going to support in the primary. Do you know, Alex?
Yeah.
I do know that.
And Ryan, well, I don't know if I know that for certain, but I think Ryan is,
Ryan is an interesting guy.
He's a good friend of mine.
I let him speak for himself on that.
Sure, I will too.
Just a note there.
Yeah.
Let me, let me throw something in, guys, that we're kind of, we've kind of gotten away
from the point here, is that Alex wants to make the assumption that in May of 2023,
that these polls are coming in, that these are locked in voters,
Trump's got that 50, he's got that 55%, he's got that 60%,
and they are locked in, these people are sold on God, damn Donald Trump.
But they're not.
They're not.
A portion of those are sold on Trump, and there are a lot of people that are kind of like,
well, Trump's the name I recognize, okay, Trump, and I could go either way.
I could go Trump, I can go to Sanis, I'm not absolutely sure.
And here's the thing, here's the thing.
I said about fundraising.
Rallies are very expensive.
Do you realize that a rally in a major arena can cost over $2 million for one rally?
Trump used to do arena rallies.
Now he's having rallies at the double tree inn.
Now he's having rallies on airport tarmacs.
Now he's having rallies in open fields in Iowa.
He's not having the turnout that he did before.
So that's what I'm saying is you're not seeing the energy and the intensity on the ground.
You're saying now, right, Bill?
You're saying now.
He did these airport tarmac.
You say tarmac.
They're usually in hangers at airports because it is.
Well, this was on a tarmac that he did in Waco, Texas.
No, no, no, listen, it is, it's, it makes sense.
It's economically smart, right?
Right.
Is that not an argument? Does that not that not make sense for Trump to do?
Yeah, but Nick, I think the other argument is making.
I think I think Trump is hurting. My, my guess is that Trump is hurting for money right now.
Because he's got huge medical, he's got huge, huge legal bills.
He is taking money from his super PAC that people send for his campaign and using it to spend legal bills.
That's a matter of fact.
Bill, Bill,
okay,
he's hurting from running.
He's not putting the people.
Alex from behind.
Yeah,
let's not Alex.
Alex.
Bill,
where is Ron DeSantis doing rallies?
Ron DeSantis isn't a candidate yet.
he hasn't running for president yet.
He had rallies, though.
Where is he,
where's,
is that not the point?
Who's showing up,
how many people are showing up to see him on his book tour?
He's booking every venue.
He's completely booking every venue that he goes to.
Every venue goes to.
He's selling out.
So a couple things here.
Don't tell me that's not true.
I know that.
He's selling out a venue that he goes to.
He goes to a venue that has got a thousand seats.
He sells out a thousand seats.
He goes to one that has 200 seats.
He sells out 200 seats.
You made the point, though, that Trump's not selling out these massive arenas.
And the standards isn't really compared.
Correct.
Even if your point, you know, I don't think it's true or accurate or entirely accurate,
but even if the everything was correct,
the Sanis isn't really holding any rallies and arenas.
Chief, his point is a financial one.
Like, guys, just so we understand how these entities operate, right?
There are several packs that are supporting DeSantis.
They are independent super PACs.
They cannot coordinate with the campaign.
The campaign doesn't exist yet, but we have...
ready for Ron, which is basically, I think, defunct now.
I think you have the main one, which is never backed down.
You have my super PAC, full disclosure, which we haven't endorsed a candidate,
but posterity pack.
And you have other PACs.
You cannot coordinate with the campaign.
The campaign hasn't even started.
But once those goes, I mean, these guys keep their nose clean very well,
as opposed to some of the stuff that I've seen on the other side.
But I will tell you right now, I know sort of the fundraising is my day job, right?
across the board.
And I can tell you that the fundraising prowess
that President Trump once had,
and it was very powerful,
is not taking in what it had before.
Now, to be fair,
fundraising across the board is very low
because financial times are hard, right?
But at the same time,
it is not the bailiwick that it once was,
and I think that should be concerning to Team Trump.
And Justin, Justin, how many times...
has a president won in the past 50 years
that wasn't a president that raised the most money.
Do you know?
I don't know.
One.
Trump.
Right.
And when he was 28% in the polls...
I said, I guarantee my, I bet my career he's going to win.
And I've done a million dollars worth of polls for three years every month.
I understand polls.
Polls are shit.
It depends on how they're done and who's doing them.
I can demonstrate really quickly to you guys.
Your teenage son is having a birthday party.
You want to buy ice cream.
What brand do you buy?
Yeah.
I guarantee none of you guys, most of you guys did not think of Bluebell ice cream, which
is the best seller in America, right?
It's a top of mind poll.
It's not a who are you voting for poll.
That's not what winds up coming out.
So Bill's right.
The polls are typically shit.
But I didn't think Trump was winning the next election because the momentum did not keep growing.
The.
The polls were different than what happened.
Biden raised more money than Trump and won, just like almost every other race before him.
Like I know there's a lot of polling experts, but all you have to look at is who raised the most money.
And right now, DeSantis, not even announcing yet, has more than double the amount of money Trump has.
And Trump's been raising for a while.
He's even selling NFTs and was so against Bitcoin.
Yeah.
Yeah, but, yeah, one of the thing is,
you know, Trump's NFTs, his latest round of NFTs,
have lost half their value since they went out.
Okay, where's the demand?
Where's the demand for these things?
But here's, but let me, let me put this out there,
put this out there as far as the fundraising and so on and so forth.
Trump got 94% of the vote, of the Republican vote in 2020, okay?
Right now he's polling, and most of these polls,
I think the average RCP is like 53%.
So where did the 43% go that voted for him, the GOP, the 43% or the 94% that voted for him in 2020?
And now he's getting in the low 50s, as far as he's polling.
Where did that half of the voters go?
Okay, they're no longer, they're no longer supporting Trump.
Also, a lot of what's made up with that 50% are people that are like, yeah, Trump, but I'm open to other ideas.
If you trust that poll that said 24% core support.
So what I'm saying to you guys is we're trying to draw final conclusions from very early data here.
And a lot of these polls that are coming out that are showing Trump way ahead.
A big chunk of that way ahead are people that aren't sure.
aren't sold, aren't committed.
And one of the mistakes these polls are making is they are looking for a top line number,
but they are not measuring intensity.
And what you're seeing is because you don't have the huge rally numbers, you don't have the huge donations and so on and so forth.
What Trump is lacking this time is broad intensity.
He's got narrow intensity from his core group of supporters that, I mean, would stay with him no matter what.
And that's okay.
But he doesn't have broad intensity.
And that's where does Hannis's opportunity come to?
Heather, do you agree?
Do you agree that basically?
No, I don't agree at all.
I think it's funny.
I think, you know, people like Bill, they're obviously like shills for Ron DeSantis.
It's not hard to figure out.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
I'm not going to stay here.
I'm not going to stay here and listen to somebody.
I'm not going to say here and listen to somebody make insults, personal insult.
Obviously, this person is a disciple of Trump.
All she knows how to do is throw personal insults at somebody who's trying to make an intelligent argument.
Bill, at the beginning of the space, you referred to yourself as the political act.
I said we're all political hats.
No, you are.
We're all political acts.
We love politics.
Okay, listen.
Bill, Bill, Bill.
Okay, here's the thing.
I want to make a point right here.
I want to make a point right here.
This is Trump's problem.
I'm not going to listen to this one anymore.
This is Trump's problem.
This is Trump's problem.
This is Trump's problem.
Look, look, look.
Guys, people are interrupting each other.
Let Heather finish.
Look, she called you a shill.
You called her disciple.
You both said things each other.
Go ahead, Heather, finish your point.
So my point being from New Hampshire, I can tell you that we have one of the largest legislative bodies in the entire country.
We have 200 Republican legislatures, right?
So like representative senators.
So when he's sitting there saying that DeSantis has gotten 50%
50 endorsements from New Hampshire, which several that are on that endorsement list have actually come out, I guess, and said they're actually supporting Trump, not DeSantis.
So there's a little bit of confusion over which people on those lists actually support DeSantis.
Even if he, hypothetically speaking, got all 50 that they're claiming he got, we're talking about 200 Republicans today.
that's 25% of a 200 Republican primary of elected officials that are supporting him.
So 75% of elected Republicans that they solicited endorsements for did not actually endorse him,
which proves that Trump is the majority.
Secondly, I'm going to say that the one thing that Trump has on his side that DeSantis doesn't have on his side is the truth.
And the facts of the matter are that DeSantis actually shut down Florida, right?
He actually shut down Florida, closed off beaches.
He threatened to pull liquor licenses from business owners that opened up during COVID.
He had COVID checkpoints on the highway, right?
And he signed an executive order limiting Americans'
personal interactions with their family members, with their friends.
That is not a, like, that is not who we want as a leader.
All right.
You want a president that actually knows constitutional authority.
We are going to come onto the COVID issue because that's one of the points we're going to talk about.
So don't worry about it.
We're going to get to all the issues, all the issues where they disagree.
We're going to talk about them all.
Brendan, thanks for joining us.
I know you.
support Descentive as far as I know.
What's your thoughts?
I mean, the argument is that the difference here is,
you can't say with DeSantis, he's not known, he's a known entity,
he's going to international speakers, even Piers Morgan from the United Kingdom,
had him on.
So don't the polls then show are much more,
are they more valid in terms of the big differentiation?
Like him being an unknown entity isn't a strong argument.
What's your thoughts?
Yeah.
You know, I don't really endorse either which way. I know people think I'm one in which way, but I own a Florida news outlet. It just happens to talk about DeSantis because he's our governor. But right now, the facts are that Trump is the guy to beat. It's just, it's clear as day. But DeSantis can't.
Can he, will he, gain some ground when he gets officially elected?
Can he articulate the issues, the policies to the nation like he did in Florida and gain some ground?
That's the question you have to be seen.
And we've been in this space for about 48 minutes now.
And all we're talking about is polls and who's more popular, who has more endorsements.
I would like to hear more from these guys, everyone that's in this room,
because I know everyone has a very strong opinion on all the policies.
Heather was getting to a really good one with the COVID.
And I know you guys said they.
We are.
Brendan, we're going to go into the policies.
It's just we've got like a structure.
And what we want to do is make sure we cover all the issues.
And the first one was the polls.
But we're definitely, we've got COVID.
We've got the abortion policies.
We've got the Disney issue.
We've got the bill in Florida that Dr Santos stated.
So yeah, we're going to go through all of this.
So don't worry about it.
But you're right. Well, the Trump supporters in here are right. Trump is the guy to beat. And the polls, I don't really ever report on polls because once upon a time, Donald Trump was the guy at the bottom of the polls about a decade ago. So anything can happen. But just to tie a knot on this, it is fact. He is the guy to beat right now. And I know a lot of Descentes people know that.
Mike, Mike, what's your thoughts?
The thought is that DeSantis, he's actually going to,
just like when Trump brought it back from 20%,
he's going to take it all the way and take the nomination.
What's your thoughts?
Yeah, you know, this is one of these things where, you know, I think DeSantis is a fantastic governor.
And regardless of how you even feel about the merits on policy, you know, personnel is policy.
I mean, that was a common saying at the White House presidential personnel office.
Who you put in is in many ways more of a representation of policy than what people...
the, you know, than what you formally say that you're for or against.
And I think I think it was Preston who made a point earlier that what Trump represents,
because I know we're going to be having this policy discussion,
but what Trump represents is that you can't do this.
to an elected president.
You know, there is a kind of a mulligan energy,
a sort of do-over energy.
You can't have the FBI screw with the president like that.
You can't have the CIA screw with the president like that.
You can't have the State Department, the Defense Department.
It's a...
You can't have the intelligence community, screw with someone like that.
That's the sort of thing that you can't policy your way out of as DeSantis.
And so I'm a little surprised that we're talking about this in such traditional tones
because this is such an aberration.
And I think there's so much cold anger.
at permanent Washington, that DeSantis, as good as he may be on any number of issues, better than Trump, on many issues in many respects, one might argue.
There is a sort of intangible, you can't do this to us, that Trump will continue to have.
And I would like to hear an argument that...
that allows, that puts, sees a path forward to DeSantis without Trump being indicted.
Because I do see a situation where Trump could just get so covered in, in legal shenanigans coming from the Justice Department,
the state of New York, and the state of Georgia to just sort of, you know, indict and pile drive him into smithereens at which point DeSantis jumps into those.
Let me ask all from them.
So Mike's saying essentially, and I think you're the perfect person to answer this, that Trump's going to win unless the establishment takes him out. What's your thoughts?
So I come from this neutrally, regardless of dissenters or Trump, but if I'm dissantis and I'm running against Trump in the Republican primary, how is the way that you can make a difference? And this is the clearest way I see possible.
is that you highlight that Trump lost the 2018 election, he lost the 2020 election,
and the 22, 22 election where Trump was kind of like that frontrunner doing everything,
Trump was saying, oh, I mean, the Republicans in the election barely won the house
at a moment of where everybody was talking about recession and high gas prices, right?
So if you're a scientist, you say, look at everything that the elections that happened under Trump, right?
Look at the results.
We didn't gain anything.
If anything, we lost.
Oh, and by the way, why all that happened,
look what I did to Florida.
I made Florida a red state, from a purple state to a red state.
If you're dissantis, again, I don't pick either side.
I'm just saying if you're dissantis, you got to go with win.
I win.
Trump loses.
You want American first.
You want conservative policies?
I'm your guy because I made Florida probably a bastion of conservative idealism.
Trump has failed to win elections since 2016.
He is not our guy.
I'm the guy.
If you're Trump...
against DeSantis, what do you got to do?
I'm sorry, Desantis cannot take heat.
He cannot take pressure.
We have seen him with journalists asking small, kind of like maybe difficult questions,
and DeSantis just loses it.
And I would love to see a Trump-Dissan's debate in the Republican primary
because I'm sorry, I could just see Trump.
Trump can just make fun of DeSantis' wife like he did with Cruz.
He's.
And DeSantis is going to lose it.
And he's just going to get under his skin.
I just don't see.
DeSantis doesn't have thick skin.
And maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe he gets a lot of debate prep, but he gets it.
He does it.
But what I've seen with the elections, I mean, with the journalists and what we're seeing as governor, he can't even beat Disney.
At least Trump can say, look at me.
I'm like everybody here saying, I'm facing the establishment.
I'm facing the goddamn FBI, the DOJ, the CIA.
DeSantis, you can't even beat fucking Disney.
Mickey Mouse is weaning you on the court.
So that is kind of the argument for Borgo.
Look, if Mike is right, though, if Mike is right and person is policy, then we have some real issues here.
Because you look at the first set of people that Trump appointed, right?
Ray, Bolton, Meadows, Newchin, Omarosa, Scaramucci, Sessions, Mar, McCart.
I mean, you go down there. You tell me, someone tell me a single person that they liked on the cabinet.
His choices around his people were awful, awful, awful, everyone knows it.
The swamp took him to task, and he failed.
Okay. You know that there were two very different eras, though, for hiring and firing at the White House, right? I mean, the 2017... Tell me someone on his... Tell me someone in the administration that you liked other than DeVos.
Yeah.
No, I'm not going to talk about, I'm going to talk about what I actually saw firsthand.
There isn't one.
From the presidential personnel office, which is that you had DeStefano, who is basically running, hiring, and firing for politicals from 2017 to 2019.
And then you had the McEntee era in 2020.
And what I will say is that.
In 2020, it was a completely different ballgame.
After the Mueller impeachment probe ended,
and Trump owed fewer favors to the neocon wing of Congress
for placements at PPO,
I mean, these are political realities.
I'm not sure outsiders are even aware of.
Who you, while personnel is policy,
Personnel is also a favor bank game for outside folks.
And there was a, from 2017 to 2019, when Trump was shackled by the Mueller probe,
and everyone around him was getting rolled up by it.
It was a completely different world than what happened from late 2019-2020 in that last year.
And I think that's one of the reasons that there's so much fear about his reelection is because they actually did get PPO right in the final year.
Yeah.
There's a lot more to talk about there,
but I think what you're talking about is,
is not really reflective of the reality
of the sort of the tail of two PPO's in the White House.
Alex, do you want to jump in?
Because I was gonna read some of that.
Well, can I jump in on one point?
Yeah, well, just let Alex jump in and I'm gonna read some out.
Go ahead.
Oh, yeah, I just wanna say,
I'm not sure we're Justin when,
I don't see him up here in the speaker's list anymore.
Maybe he got off or maybe his phone died or something,
but, you know,
The DeSantis people like to push that personnel talking point, but for each person that they complain about that Trump hired, the Trump admin hired, there's a tweet from Ron DeSantis praising that hire as a great decision, especially one of the ones that I like to point to is the high praise that he had for Christopher Ray.
And, you know, obviously, I don't think that Ron DeSantis knew that Christopher Ray was going to be this terrible FBI director who used, you know, a legal wiretaps of 2,100 times on January 6, you know, people or, you know, involved with all this stuff.
I don't think he maliciously knew he was a bad person, but Trump did it either.
And there's, for every example that they want to point to, there's a tweet.
or a statement from randtis praising these personnel choices and so uh to say that donald
trump got got eaten up by the swamp uh well you know based on ron's statements he would have as well
and so let me listen i've got to interject i've got to interject something here yes
can you can you can you talk a little bit louder bill i don't think we can hear you okay um
Yes, DeSantis said that Ray was a good hire at the time.
But then when Ray exposed himself as being the very worst of the swamp creatures,
Trump could have gotten rid of him, but he kept him.
And even now, he just had an interview.
I believe he was handing out.
I'm not sure.
And they asked him, well, what do you think about Ray?
And we all know the entire base despises Ray.
And Trump says, well, Jeffrey will tell on Ray, the jury is still out on Ray.
He still can't admit that Ray was a massive, massive mistake.
Now, we're all making a lot of guesses.
There's a lot of guessing going on here.
It's May of 2003.
A lot of guessing in the polls here.
My premise is...
that while Trump is doing well with the polls, his support is a mile wide and an inch deep.
It's very fragile. It's like spring ice on the pond.
It could break down very quickly if DeSantis breaks through once he announces and once he's an official candidate,
starts spending a lot of money, starts running big national ads, does the debates and so on and so forth.
Now, Time Magazine just came out with a cover story on DeSantis yesterday, and I'm sure they were trying to attack him, but they did a terrible job because they made him out to be a total stud.
I mean, they're like, this guy came in.
I don't know why Time Magazine would write a PubPteam magazine.
But they.
Time Magazine.
Are they verified?
And they came out and they came out.
I got to go look.
I'll be right back.
Okay.
Time Magazine came out with a very nice piece on DeSantis.
They talked about how DeSantis is brilliant.
He understands legislation at the granular level, how he took over the governor's office.
And when he went to the governor's office, he said in his first couple days there, he said,
listen, I want to understand exactly what powers are available to me in this office.
Get together from me a binder.
I want to go through all the laws and all the regulations.
He came out with a binder.
It's about four inches sick.
The sentence dug into it, pour into it, found out exactly what he could do as governor.
He said, okay, let's do this.
And he took charge.
And he said,
And he took charge of the legislature.
Do you think he as governor had legal constitutional authority to sign an executive order limiting Floridian's personal movements and travel?
Are you talking about the COVID situation?
I'm talking about the executive order that he signed that made it a time for you to leave
COVID house and go be with your family if you were in a group.
Yeah, well, he was following, you know, the Sanis used to be a big Trump fan, and he was following Trump's lead on all that.
Trump didn't do any of that.
You said he went through all these papers.
Trump was the guy that was leading the whole lock.
Trump was the guy that was leading the whole lockdown thing under Falsy.
Trump was not.
Just Santos issued executive orders.
He didn't close down any federal property.
The governor's closed down.
The state health authorities closed down.
Trump kept everything open.
He didn't mandate the VACs.
He didn't mandate social distancing.
He didn't mandate anything.
I spammed the bubble with all the...
with my file from from from from the Santas I bought my substick up above right what you're talking
about is nonsense desantis is one of the worst it's not nonsense what you're talking about is not
it was one of the worst lockdown no no no no that's worth complete complete nonsense
you're not complete nonsense right now what you're saying is complete nonsense it's fiction you're a liar dude
you're a liar dude Trump issued guidelines
One second, guys, you're all interrupted.
I'm going to go to Bill.
Just before I do, let me read Trump's tweet,
and it's a link to what you guys are saying.
So what Trump said is when the Ron DeSantimonious facts come out,
you will see that he is better than most,
he is better than most Democrat governors,
but very average at best against Republican governors.
How about the fact that he had the third most deaths
in his state as governor on the China virus?
Even Kumo did better.
Number four, he shuts down everything, even his beaches.
Other Republican governors didn't.
Look at the Disney mess.
He could have worked an easy settlement, but no, he wants the fake news to show how a tough guy he is.
He's not.
So, Bill, I'll let you respond because he's talking about COVID,
and we are going to go on to the Disney point.
But go ahead, Bill.
What's your thoughts that he did shut down the beaches?
He said he did much worse than any other Republican governor.
He closed the border from Florida to the rest of the country for fuck's sake.
Bill, you need to unmute your mic.
They hit COVID checkpoints on the highway.
I remember specifically driving to Florida from New Hampshire during the lockdowns because New Hampshire started getting shut down.
So we ended up driving down there to Florida.
And when we got across into the Florida border, they literally had COVID checkpoints on the highway where they would stop cars.
Right.
that were coming in from other states and they would actually, like, it was like Nazi Germany.
From New York, from New York specifically.
He targeted, there's an article, I'll post it, that he was worried about trans-frees from Florida.
Guys, guys, they would stop anybody that they wanted.
You guys are saying that like it's a bad thing.
Bill, Bill, Bill.
Yeah, it is a bad thing unless you want to lock people up like a fascist.
How's it locking people up?
It's actually building a wall around Florida to protect it from COVID.
It's like Trump wanted to do it to protect the Mexican.
He locked everyone in.
He locked people out of nursing homes.
He did what people wanted to do.
They wanted to be free.
They didn't.
Doc, it's hilarious that you wanted to be free and the lockdown was ridiculous.
But now because he didn't lock down, he's bad.
I'm notting you as a pro-lockdown fascist.
And I guess you're going to support that in the next pandemic next year, right?
You want to lock?
No, you're a pro-lockdown.
You're a pro-lockdown fascist because you're saying that he had more deaths because he didn't lock down.
Okay, so Joa, so as soon as I got to Florida, right, one of one of the people that I worked with for the company at the time, they owned a bunch of Airbnb rental properties in Florida, right, that they would rent out every year because of the tourism economy and they would make a ton of money.
Well, under Ron DeSantis, he actually shut that down, so they were no longer allowed to rent out their Airbnbs during COVID.
Right? And they lost tens of thousands of dollars on these Airbnb rentals. But guess what was allowed to stay open? These hotel chains. Guess who was the number one donor to Ron DeSantis? A big hotel.
Oh, my God.
I was like, no, no, this is. Okay. Let's just look at bars.
Let Bill go.
Let's look at the facts here.
Let me finish, Bill.
Let me finish, Bill.
Let me finish, Bill.
Listen, I'm tired of you talking over me.
Every time I started to talk, you talk over me.
You call me a show.
All you have is lies and then how-
Guys, stop interrupting.
Bill, go.
And then I'm going to go to Heather.
Bill, go ahead.
Bill.
All Heather does is interrupt.
She insults at how many attacks.
It's ridiculous.
She's just like Trump.
Okay.
Let me make a point here.
I'm going to be very clear about this.
That's a compliment.
Okay, I'm getting...
I'm going to be, okay, I am going to be very clear here.
Florida is receiving an influx,
and that influx of 1,200 people a day into Florida.
New York used to have a bigger population before COVID than Florida.
Florida now has a bigger population than New York.
Despite the fact that Florida's budget is half of New York's,
and Florida runs at a budget surplus.
I used to live in Miami.
I remember that the Santa's lockdown initially,
And then he looked at the data.
He looked at the federal laws and so forth.
He says, this isn't working.
He started opening up the state.
And I was there in Miami where people were coming in from New York and California.
And they're like, this is great.
We can go out to restaurants.
We can do things.
We can enjoy our lives.
We love this place.
This is why everybody is moving to Florida because Governor DeSantis did a great job.
The reason why Governor DeSanis is famous today and is a candidate for President of Day is because he was early to open up.
The Bush family is behind him.
Okay, listen, guys.
Can I say this what I was saying, though, before Bill Rudy is?
No, no, listen, I'm not, I'm just, I can't, guys, I can't be a part of this with people like Heather anymore.
She called insults.
You can't be part of somebody that actually has facts.
I mean, Bill is a back and forth.
Go ahead, Bill, finish your point.
And then we'll go to Heather.
Okay, yeah, okay.
DeSantis is famous because...
He opened up for, I think he was the second state to open up ever, what, Georgia?
And Trump attacked Georgia for opening up.
Didn't he compare them to Sweden or something like that?
He attacked Georgia for opening up.
There's tons of record, video records on and so forth, of Trump attacking people for opening up.
Trump is the one who put Fousie front and center.
And I remember the base.
When Fossey first came out, the base was screaming, no, no.
This guy is a Democrat operative.
20 years.
What are you talking about?
He put him center stage.
He was there in 1984 with the air.
You're saying the Trump did not put Falsy Center State.
What kind of put him in a center stage?
That was his role.
Okay.
Okay.
He did not put Falsy Center stage.
He's not a doctor.
His opinion should not supersede subject matter experts.
Okay, okay, okay.
It's funny how you guys are debating Trump.
Trump made DeSantis and the Santos has no chance unless Trump gets indicted or gets taken out of this thing.
Because when they get on that debate stage, the Santa's going to freeze and won't be able to say a word because Trump has a lot of doing on this sentence.
Listen, guys, I'm going to take off because I'm clearly wasting my time with some of these Trump bots on here.
But DeSantis is going to win Iowa.
Mark my worst.
DeSantis is going to win Iowa.
He's going to win New Hampshire.
South Carolina is going to be a fight because it's an open primary.
But if he wins South Carolina, it's game over for Trump.
And then Trump, my predict, then when all is said and done, Trump will endorse DeSanis.
In the general election, because he still wants to be relative.
Relatives.
Yes, you will.
Bill, will you unblock me?
Who's asking me if I should unblock him?
Bill, before I actually have a question for you guys.
Oh, why would I unblock you?
So if I can ask the question, I think this is something that I brought up from, like, I think the DeSantis crowd have something in their favor.
And it's.
How is it that DeSantis wins the election in Florida, but Trump doesn't?
I mean, like, let's look at the Congress.
Let's look at the Senate.
DeSantis at least could say, I won Florida.
I made it red.
The last election that we look.
I win, I win, I win.
Guys, the last election that we looked at, the last election we looked at,
they're supposed to be a red wave across America.
Trump was supposed to have all these endorsements.
Do you realize that the battleground races,
Trump's endorses lost 61% of those of the battleground races?
And that's why we don't have control of the Senate because of Trump's endorsements.
The Sanis was the reason why we control the House now.
The Sanis was led Florida to one of the only red waves in the entire.
nation. So Trump
My question,
one election. The
Santos is also the only one that
fought with Mickey Mouse and lost.
Well,
Well, who's saying that the Dissanis thought were making about it and lost?
Well, is everyone going to ignore the fact that Dominion's lawyer that was suing people like Rudy Giuliani and all these other people is like buddy, buddy with Ron DeSantis.
And Ron DeSantis refuses to acknowledge any of the 2020 election fraud that we all know happened.
Right.
So when he gets on a debate stage with Trump, if he has the balls to do it,
he's not going to touch anything about election fraud.
His entire track record as a congressman is going to come back to bite him.
His entire track record as a governor is going to come back to bite him.
And people like Bill Mitchell are not going to be able to get tagged into the arena and live for him.
So he's not going to win on a public stage.
Trump will mop him up just like he did with the chick at the CNN Town Hall.
Okay, my prediction is this.
My prediction is this.
Here's my prediction.
Listen, guys, I got to go.
I got more important things to do.
Here's my prediction.
The Sanis takes Iowa.
The Sanis takes New Hampshire.
DeSantis takes Iowa.
Does Sanis takes New Hampshire?
South Carolina would be a fight because it's an open primary state.
You never know what's going to happen in that place.
A Democrats could cross over and vote for Trump there.
He's going to win Iowa. He's going to win New Hampshire. As soon as DeSantis announces, you are going to see a flood of endorsements for DeSantis. Only two governors have endorsed Trump. Why? Why have not more governors endorsed Trump?
He's 40 points at why, why, why? Because they're waiting on DeSanis because governors in this country love DeSanis because he's one of their own. I'm telling you.
Well, so,
it's not just that.
It's not just that, Bill.
It's polling intelligence firms like Morning Counsel, WPA, which are actually credible,
and use real polling data to then look at the battleground states alone,
and then segment that data, show that Biden needs Trump in five out of six of the battleground states,
right?
But the Santa leads Biden.
So in Arizona, in Michigan, in Nevada, in North Carolina, and in Pennsylvania, the Santos
leads Biden.
Trump is down by almost half.
That's why these politicians are going to back them.
No other reason.
Yeah, and here's the thing. The greatest reason, the greatest fear that these donors and so on and so forth that are backing to Santa's and are not back to them, the greatest fear they have is not only will Trump lose, but we'll lose to the House and we'll lose the Senate along with them. That's their greatest fear. And they believe the Sanis can reach across and can get independence. He believes that we can reach across and get that part of the...
Republican base that can't
stand Trump and folks, I talk to them every
day. There are a lot of Republicans that
voted for Trump in the past. I have them, I have
major Trump influencers in my
direct message. Haven't you lost like 100,000 voters
since coming, 100,000 followers
since coming up for DeSantis?
Dude, you're being rejected.
I haven't, I've lost, I think, 40,000.
I had, I came back with about 440,000 followers and I'm, 150,000 followers.
I'm like 420,000 now.
You had 474,000.
You can check on social blade.com.
No, they went up.
I came back.
There was about 440,000, 450,000, and they went up.
And then they went back down because, of course, they were big Trump supporters and I'm a DeSantis guy.
Because of course I lost.
You lose about 150 hours per day, it seems like.
No, I've been losing about 80.
About 80 at all.
So you're, wait, whoever, who said that I'm being paid by DeSantis?
Do you have proof of that?
Or should I sue you for liable?
Yeah, there's only one person on the stage.
Yeah, there's only one person on the stage who's been paid by a candidate.
I have not been Alex who's that.
That's Alex.
Who's that?
Who's that?
What I get paid for, Justin?
Wait, you're not, you know, you're not getting paid for what you do, Alex?
I think $35,000.
One second.
Which is fine.
I don't begrudge you that.
Justin, Justin, what month was that?
Was that May of 2022?
That would be this a lot.
That would be the last election cycle of the last year.
Yeah, the midterms, right?
Yeah, correct.
Nobody in the DeSantis camp has paid me to die.
One second.
Yeah, now, Justin.
Justin, what did you accuse him off, sorry?
And what did Alex?
Alex, go ahead.
Well, there's this comment.
There's a sentiment from DeSantis world because it's public record.
You can search fec.gov.
Go to disbursements.
And you can search my company name.
And you will see $35,000 in payments from...
Save America Super PAC from the midterm election cycle for targeted advertising for two races.
And so my profit margin, you guys should honestly be calling me $3,500, Alex, because profit margin on a targeted ad buy was only 10%.
So in reality, I'm $3,500, Alex, if that's what you guys want to call me.
I have never been paid to promote President Trump on social media.
That is a lie.
But just to clear things up, I've never been paid a dime by the DeSantis camp to do what I'm doing.
I'm just advocating for, I think, the guy who is the best solution for America.
I've seen what DeSantis has done with Florida.
I want to see that done with America.
Trump doesn't have the ability, doesn't have the gray matter, he doesn't have the character.
He has lied consistently about Governor DeSanis throughout this race, calling him a globalist and a rhino.
Where's the evidence for that?
I mean, you just standard ad halman on the checks.
Bill, do you have, do you think governors have the constitutional legal authority to shut their states down and tell people they can't leave their own?
Here's the different.
DKE fraternity.
I don't know.
The difference.
I don't know.
It seemed to be common to death.
No, I mean, like, seriously, don't you think we should have a president that fundamentally at their core understand basic constitutional rights of the American people that they're serving?
Whatever.
Whatever.
Listen, guys, it's been fun.
I've enjoyed it.
Some of these Trump bots are, you know, that's just all they are.
This Heather, Heather girls, obviously a shill for Trump.
And, you know, I'm down with a vote for Trump in 2016.
I voted for Gary Johnson.
And then in 2020, I actually worked for Bill Wells in the Republican primary.
Well, I mean, you're a show.
You're clearly, I mean, by the things you say, you're clearly a show.
You're clearly a shill.
You're clearly a show for Trump.
How am I a show?
You're a shill.
I mean, it's by the way you talk and things you say, you're a shill.
How?
Heather, are you being serious for now?
You're like one of the loudest voices on the election being stolen on some fake evidence.
Because I spent two years that's been rebuttal.
And the author had to take it down and change the book because it's all false.
And you come up on here and stage various times and keep mentioning that documentary as if it's some like,
The true story and it's completely fake.
So did you debunk?
Do you realize I was in that documentary?
And I interviewed a whistleblower who was hired and paid by the National Republican
Senatorial Committee to watch drop boxes during the runoff races.
And he witnessed fraud and sent videos and images of that fraud of these dropboxes being
stuffed to the NRC.
And I have all the emails.
I have all of the receipts.
I'm willing to testify under oath to this stuff.
And this is all fact.
So the reason I can get up here and talk about election fraud,
and I'm willing to testify to every last little bit of election fraud that I talk about,
I'm willing to say it under oath and a court of law to where I will go to jail if I am,
like if I'm found guilty of lying.
The reason I can say that is because I've literally spent two years of my life.
sitting in courtrooms, talking with whistleblowers,
and actually digging into the stuff that the modern-day journalist
is too afraid to dig into because all they do is sell their soul for a paycheck,
and they're basically a bunch of, you know, put on a little bit of makeup,
go into their Fox News or CNN or whatever mainstream media outlet they work for.
They read whatever's in the teleprompter and they go home and they don't question it.
I actually actually do real.
Why did the book have to be redacted?
Dude, I didn't write the book.
What I do is I report what I know.
Why did it have to be redacted because of all the false information?
If you want to dispute.
If you want to dispute what my role was in that film, and I have my own videos from Gwinnett County, Georgia that we...
They put out a new addition.
I can have affidavits from Border Guard saying the wall works, and then I can have affidavits from Border Guard saying it doesn't work.
You have to look at the motivation of the person behind it, which I doubt you did, because you're so fanatical about the fact he signed out for Davids.
And they were a whistleblower.
You don't know the truth if they were telling the truth or not.
Be specific.
Be specific.
Be specific.
What are you saying?
What are you saying that I've said that is factually inaccurate?
Be specific.
Okay.
I don't believe you know that you're that you're spreading false.
I think you believe you're telling the truth.
What did I say that is not true?
Guys, guys, I've appreciated this opportunity to, I appreciate this opportunity to talk.
My feeling is that Sanis is going to win Iowa, is going to win New Hampshire.
South Carolina is going to beat Trump's final firewall.
That Sanis is going to fire outraise Trump.
Almost half of Trump's money in 2020 came from major donors.
He's not getting that money anymore.
anymore. Half of it came from small donors. He's not getting that money anymore. 20% came from
outside groups. I don't know what the story is on that. Trump only put eight million of his own
money into the campaign in 2020. He doesn't need it. He's a billionaire. That is the most ridiculously.
Trump put eight million dollars of his own money in 2020. Trump is asset rich and cash poor. He
cannot fund his own campaign. No, he really is a billionaire.
He can't even pay his own legal bills.
He's using super PAC money to pay his legal bills.
He's asking for donations to pay his legal bills.
But anyway, it doesn't matter.
Guys, at the end of the day, we're going to find out.
The Santis is using a Disney party.
The Sanis will probably announce next week.
The Sanis will probably announce next week.
We're going to find out if he gets a lot of endorsement.
Am I going to the announcement?
One second.
One second, guys.
Let Laura come back on you.
Laura, you were speaking?
Yeah.
Yeah, I was just going to say, yeah, I'd rather have a billionaire as my president because, look, Donald Trump is a self-made billionaire and he's not going to owe a ton of people favors when he gets back into the White House.
DeSantis has to have all these sugar daddy globalist billionaire donors who are propping up his campaign.
Trump doesn't spend his own money on his campaign.
Think of all the favors that he's going to owe these people.
Ron DeSantis doesn't have...
Trump doesn't spend his own money on his campaign.
What fantasy is that?
In 2020, in 2020...
He has one of the most robust grassroots donation lists
out of any candidate in this country.
It's not working.
What are you talking about?
It absolutely is working.
Lord, do you know if he would have kept his money in his stock market?
He'd be worth $6 billion instead of $1.
Whatever?
Well, maybe he has, like, actual morals and values, and he's willing to...
Well, Trump isn't going to self-finance he never has.
He's going to raise money and no-minute lost followers.
Trump put $8 million.
This is a fact.
This is a fact.
Trump put $8 million of his own money into 2020.
Only $8 million out of, I think, one point, almost $1 billion that he sold, spent.
He put only $8 million of his own money.
Trump does not spend his own money.
My point is that people keep saying, oh, he's a billionaire.
He's not owing money to anybody.
He's.
Owing money to everybody.
Desantis is illegally coordinating with PACs right now.
If we lived in a just society, he would be serving jail time for illegal.
Wasn't that just thrown out by an ethics court in Florida?
Wasn't that just thrown out by net?
Bill, he owes $1.8 million to Trump to Trump to truth employees right now.
He always owes money to employees.
I wish one of you, it was one of you that he owed money to to see if you would still support him.
And took money to the law and do you know how many, just as wrote this in this is going to find a point.
True social.
Do you know how many individual visits true social have?
Do you know how many individual visits true social had last month?
6.7 million.
The entire site.
6.7 million in a month.
Individual visits are true social.
It's dying.
He created a site long before Elon Musk announced his plans to buy Twitter
and he put his own money and secured capital
to create a social media company for people that were silenced.
The only reason why he's keeping is the only reason he's staying with truth social is he's hoping that the thing will go public and he'll get a big payday.
That's what he's hoping for.
There's actually legal agreements with the investors.
That's why Donald Trump is staying on truth social.
The Russian investors mean?
So that's just not true.
When I was a candidate,
do you mean the Russian investors?
I'm just curious.
What's wrong with Russia?
When I was a candidate for Congress.
When I was a candidate at the moment,
Donald Trump was creating truth social as a way to give people who had been censored and de-platform a voice.
And Ron DeSantis was investing Florida money, pension money into Twitter stock.
So, you know, Ron DeSantis wants to invest into a company and keep stock in a company that's committing civil rights violations against conservatives.
Like this was prior to Elon Musk purchasing the company.
And when I publicly asked him whether he would divest Twitter stock in the state of Florida, he said no.
So Donald Trump has put his money where his mouth is, and he created his own social media site.
So what's the problem?
Well, it's failed.
I mean, it's failed.
It's failing.
It's the motive behind the action.
He should take social media advice from you, Bill.
Why doesn't DeSantis start his own social media company?
Come on, see if he can match Trump.
Why would DeSantis do that?
He's a governor of the state.
Why would DeSantis, who's probably one of the most anti-free speech governors in this country ever do that?
He'd rather just have his political opponents silenced, right?
Yeah.
Exactly.
Here's the thing.
Listen, we can debate this all day.
I know, I know some of you guys, you love Trump, and that's fine.
I'm not going to change your mind on here.
you're not going to change my mind up here. Let's talk about this you stupid griff.
I used to love Trump. I was I used to love Trump. I was my Twitter feed my Twitter feed.
Every single night. My Twitter feed. My Twitter feed did 90 million hits. How many boomers did you
grift out of money every single night pushing your QN and bullshit bill? Let's get real. Yeah. Then you then you totally
I was never a Q&M.
Okay, but let me.
My Twitter feed did 90 million hits on election night.
Okay, are you going to stop talking?
My Twitter feed did 90 million hits on an election night in 2016.
MIT ranked me as the most influential, influential civilian in an entire race.
Out of the top 150, I was 26.
Everybody above me was a candidate for office, you know, candidate for president,
or was the major news network like Fox News?
Okay.
I was even ranked higher than Hannity.
in 2016 by that MIT rating, okay?
And as far as making a living,
well, God forbid that I should make a living
doing something that I spent 80 hours a week on, right?
People say that's grifting.
You know what?
If you ask for donations,
and people send you those donations,
they did that willingly.
And when we had that whole ridiculous thing
about Florida and D.C. come up.
People said, oh, you know, Bill said he was going to D.C.
He went to Florida.
He raised $14,000.
People don't realize...
That was about the eighth GoFundMe that I had created.
They sent Joel Osteen money willing to.
That was the eighth GoFundMe that I had done.
We had raised over $200,000 already at that point when that came in.
It was just another fundraiser or another GoFundMe.
And people knew, but you should be honest about how you made your living, promoting Donald Trump.
And now all of a sudden you just want to show.
Of course, I was a big Trump fan.
But you know what?
Here's the thing.
If you're living on a deserted island and all you have to eat is coconuts, you learn to love coconuts.
But when a chest full of prime rib washes up, all of a sudden those coconuts don't look as good anymore.
And I used to love Trump.
But then when DeSantis came along, I said, wait a minute.
This is a better guy.
But my plan A was Trump.
On the top of the ticket.
And DeSantis as the VP, that was my original goal.
But when Trump decided to go fully toxic against the Sanis and started lying about
DeSantis and all these terrible posts about Descanus.
What did he lie about?
Let's go through this right now.
What did he lie about?
He said he's a liar.
Let's go through this right now.
He said he said that DeSantis is a globalist and a rhino.
He is.
He is a globalist in a rhino.
Do you think that the January 6 political,
do you think that the January 6 political prisoner should be pardoned?
Yes or no question?
Trump obviously doesn't.
I don't ask you.
Do you think to Trump,
do you think Trump should get back the money?
You don't get to call a shot?
Trump could have given a blanket pardon to those J6
president before they were ever even indicted.
It's so disingenuous.
You ask them a yes or no question.
And you say, let's go through your lies.
You say that Donald Trump lies.
And then when you try to fact check these people,
they try to deflect.
I said, Laura, Laura, Laura.
I said that Donald
That Donald Trump said that-
Does Trump give back the money he raised for the defense fund?
Should he give back the money he never used for the defense fund?
He's raised money.
He has a song called Justice for All,
and he has donated money to families of January 6th.
That was almost nothing.
You don't even understand.
That raised maybe $100,000 to those families.
That was nothing.
That money, those songs made nothing after expenses,
not even $100,000 winning families.
That is not what I just asked you.
You asked me to prove to you how Ron DeSantis is a globalist and a rhino.
And I just said he doesn't believe that any of the J-Sixer should be pardoned.
And he publicly called for their...
What does that do with being a
What does that have to do
with being a lobst or a rhino?
You're a rhino.
If you believe that
Jay-Sexter-
He's a rhino
because Trump was the president
of the United States
He could have
He could have preemptively pardon
all those people
And he didn't
Because his lawyer said
It might be politically damaging to you
Well, okay
He could have,
none of those people would ever have
He was a jail.
I will tell you
you exactly how Ron DeSantis is a rhino he's a rhino because he just put out a campaign ad recently
where he literally and i quote called florida a bastion of freedom a citadel of freedom yet he
shut his state down and i quote said i am limiting people's personal interactions that is not freedom
learn the definition that was at the beginning of the pandemic when everybody was scared the death of it
no because trump
Whatever. Listen, it's circular reasoning. It's circular reasoning with these points.
Bill tries to talk over to me when I make points, right? And Bill has to
reflect from the fact. And I really want to deflect from the fact that
Ron DeSantis shut down Airbnbs in his state, but kept hotels open and then got a huge
donation from hotel owners.
Well, let's see, let's see if Trump, let's see over the next few months, if Trump can prove to America that Ron DeSanis, the most popular GOP governor in America, the governor that just won re-elected by 20 points, by 20 points without Trump's help.
Trump called him Ronda Sankey.
He's, what, three days before the election, and DeSanis won by 20 points.
DeSanis flipped the state.
Red basically wiped out in the school districts, wiped out the Democrats in the school districts.
I mean, Florida is a ruby red state now.
While Trump was losing 61%...
That's not true.
That's not true.
We're not a Ruby Red State.
We just lost Jacksonville.
If we were a Ruby Red State, we would have control of Jacksonville.
Like, listen to the garbage coming out of your mouth right now.
You lost, you lost, they lost the mayor, the mayor of Jacksonville.
That was an 8,000 vote.
That was an 8,000 vote loss.
And, and the candidate in Jacksonville, his top, who was, who was, who was, who was, who was the, who was the political advisor?
Who was the political advisor to Davis in Jacksonville?
Susan Wiley's.
She's Trump's top political advisor.
And Trump said, well, if they had just asked me for my endorsement.
He would have won.
Well, why didn't Susan Wiley's asked Trump for his endorsement?
The reason why Trump would not endorse was because DeSantis had already endorsed,
and they saw an opportunity to make DeSanis look bad by letting Davis lose, and they threw the race.
No, no, no, no, that's not true.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yes, it is true.
That is true.
That is true.
Why did not, why did Susan Wiley not ask Trump for endorsement of Davis?
It's not how you say her name.
Suzy Wiles, whatever.
Why did she not ask Trump for her, his endorsement?
Lord, ask me to answer me this.
Why did Susan Wiles not ask Trump for his endorsement of Davis in Jacksonville?
Bill, can I answer now?
tell you what happened in Jacksonville.
I actually covered Jacksonville was actually there.
He spent half of my of 20, 23 in Jacksonville on the ground.
That was a localized election.
That is a swing part of the in-state.
And that's something that has gone blue and red every eight years.
Right. Trump lost Jacksonville by four points, right?
Well, yes, but what I'm saying is it wasn't a Santis's fault. It wasn't Trump's fault. It was a local election issue. A lot of people have a poor favorable opinion of the current mayor, and they view Davis as a third term of this guy. That's what I've been hearing left and right. There's a lot of other issues, local, local issues. Right. So it had nothing to do with Trump or Sanis. Right.
Correct, at all. And Susie Wiles did not throw that race. I can guarantee you that. She is known Davis for 20 years.
Why didn't she ask Trump for his endorsement? Why didn't Trump endorse in that race?
Because there's a false conception that they think that she was calling all the shots when she wasn't. There was many people involved in that race.
But why? Simple question. Why didn't Trump endorse? Why didn't Trump endorse in that race?
Trump came out afterwards and said, if I'd only endorsed...
that he would have won, but they were too proud to ask me for my endorsement.
Why didn't Trump?
Trump endorsed almost everybody in the 2020 election.
Why did Trump not endorse in that race?
I would just be speculating if I told you my answer to that, because they don't have one.
Why did Governor Desfantรฉ should his state?
Because they didn't want his endorsement.
Why did he shut Airbnb's down when you're actually more quarantined than an Airbnb than you are a hotel?
Are we still talking about the beginning of the COVID pandemic?
It's 2023, guys.
It doesn't matter if it was the beginning or the end.
Trump never in his administration ever shut down the entire freaking country and told Americans that they weren't essential or that they couldn't go to work.
DeSantis did.
Trump put Nalzi up in the podium and said, listen, this is a great guy.
He's a brilliant guy.
Listen to what those guys says.
Falsy's public enemy number one, in my opinion.
But listen, guys, it doesn't matter.
The thing is, the time for speculation is over.
I think DeSantis is going to announce it next week.
I think we're going to find out what America thinks.
You guys always are love Trump.
I love DeSantis.
You already knew that.
Can we stop with the-
Can we stop with the nonsense?
Trump shut down everything that he could shut down,
but he didn't have power beyond the phone.
He didn't shut down national parks.
He only set down the border to China and ready later from...
No, that's just not true.
That's just not true.
He didn't shut anything.
He didn't shut anything down in the military.
He didn't shut down any of the parks.
He didn't shut down any federal property.
He did.
He didn't.
No, he didn't.
Okay, listen, guys.
You know what?
Here's the thing.
At the end of the day, at the end of the day, guys, we all love them here.
Right?
Down in the bubble.
I got newspaper clippings.
Over and over and over again. This guy was one of the worst shutdown governors in the country.
And that's why, and that's why he's so popular, everybody's moving to Florida now.
That's why he's increased the, of all the things that Trump order closed.
It's not a good thing, Bill. It's not a good thing that people are moving to Florida.
Like, I don't know why everybody, maybe it's not.
Florida. No, it's absolutely not a good thing because.
If you're actually a Floridian and you've been living here and you're not coming from a blue state,
it's actually making the cost of real estate more expensive.
Rent is skyrocketing.
Yeah, that's why we have to be president.
Ron DeSantis took a $9.5 million bribe from FPL for his reelection campaign in 2022.
Our energy and utility prices are through the roof right now.
Lars, so through your rationale, if people leave America, that's a positive.
That's a good president.
If people leave because real straight prices will go down,
that's a good president.
If people decide to leave America.
I mean,
that's your rationale right now.
We're living under a tyrannical regime.
But it's also,
well,
let's a lawyer.
Trump guy,
Trump camp,
I wish you guys luck.
I think you're in for a disappointment.
I think DeSantis is going to shock you in Iowa and then in New Hampshire.
And then in South Carolina, South Carolina is going to be Trump's firewall.
I think when all of a sudden done, Trump will endorse DeSantis because he wants to say the world.
DeSantis won the general election because I endorse him.
Therefore, he owes me.
Therefore, I need to be his only want.
You said this at least six times.
Yeah, I'll say it seven times.
I'll say it other times.
I'm not going to endorse him.
And Trump supporters are not going to vote for Ron DeSantis.
I'd rather.
Hey, listen.
Listen, if Trump is the nominee,
then actually have to be a nominee.
Well, see, this is why you're not a patron.
Bobby Kennedy for the win.
I am a patriot.
I'm.
No, you're not.
You would rather have a Democrat win.
Bill, let Laura finish, because you know what it is?
Your mic is so loud that nobody else.
I'm not going to be told.
Go ahead, Laura.
I'm not going to be told that my sacrifices to this country and over 12 years.
Laura, you haven't sacrificed anything.
Oh, really?
I haven't sacrificed my livelihood and lost and been silenced and been shut down on nearly every single side
and been debanked and de-platformed and had my gun rights taken away for being a patriot
and fighting for other people's rights.
Right.
Fuck yourself, Max.
You don't know what I've sacrificed.
Go fuck yourself.
You're such a tough guy, Max.
Why don't you tell people what your identity is?
You like to hide behind an anonymous little avatar.
You don't know what I've sacrificed, okay?
I campaigned in the state of Florida, you have just advocated for Trump supporters not voting for the Sanchez-in-a-row.
Wasn't even allowed to have access to send emails or text messages on the campaign.
Lumer, listen, listen.
Because the internet company's the one guy who's actually done anything to fight for you.
Trump didn't do shit and he won't hire you and he calls you ugly on your back.
But don't ever tell me that I haven't sacrificed anything.
Okay, here's the thing, guys, if Trump is a nominee, let me make a declaration before I go, because I've got to go. Let me make a declaration before I go. If Trump is the nominee, I will vote for him because I would rather have Trump a thousand times over a Biden. But people like Laura are saying, if Trump is not the nominee, then she will sit this out and let a Democrat win the White House. That's not patriotic. That's not MAGA.
Because these people don't believe, they don't believe most of what, like this, we're dealing with nihilism here, right?
So, so, like, DeSantis was, like, one of the number, was one of the biggest opponents of lockdowns.
And then you had people gaslighting that he was one of the biggest lockdowners.
And we, like, we know that's not true.
And we have tons of deleted tweets from A-V.
It's up in the net.
It proved it.
It's up on the net.
Look up above in the jumbotron, Max.
You're a liar.
You're a liar.
You're a liar.
I mean, have people like Dr. Malibu.
Saying that he was like deep.
Open your eyes, Max.
You soy boy, you.
No, I, look, Max.
A.B., you said you moved to, you moved to Florida because of DeSantis.
You said Florida's the Supreme State.
You said those things.
You didn't imagine them.
You said them because you read them.
So, you just got paid money and Trump told you to attack DeSantis.
You're full of shit.
Max, you need to be.
You're lying.
That's what you do.
Let me, can I, can I, go ahead, Alex?
Go ahead.
I'll respond.
I have a conversation with you.
Thank you.
But there was a time where I do think that Ron DeSantis handled COVID relatively well.
I think he did well.
But there was a point in history where he totally revised history.
I lived in Florida during the lockdowns and lived in Florida during the period, the initial period of COVID.
And just like I remember driving from South Florida to Savannah, Georgia, and I was shocked that Savannah was open.
And so if Ron ran on his record of, yes, I locked down the state of Florida for a few months and I did all these different things.
And then I learned from, you know, the mistakes.
That's one thing.
But you people have totally revised history to the point where you said he never shut down.
He never pushed the vaccine.
He never did any of these things.
You guys say that.
Wait, sorry.
But that's just not the truth.
When did I say that he never shut down?
But that's the point.
So Trump early on, he said 15 days to slow the spread, right?
You guys hit him on that.
Ronda Santas shut down the state of Florida for many, many months.
Hold on.
What happened?
What happened to 15 days?
What happened in 15 days?
Would you remember, I can tell you about it in 15 days.
He sent another 30 days.
And what happened to end of the other 30 days?
Send it again.
And DeSantis,
talk about that much.
He said, oh, it would be nice to open by Easter.
Then 15 days later, what do you say?
How many times?
It would have been nice, but the numbers, the numbers are too high.
Well, Max, I listen to the Fouchy all the way.
I live in West Palm Beach, Florida.
I live in West Palm Beach, Florida.
I remember you were in Florida.
You have protesting.
That he always listened to Fauci.
Guys, real quick, everybody's talking over each other.
Let's bring it back up.
So, Max, finish your point.
I go back to you, Alex, and then Heather, I'll get you in here.
Max finish up. I'll get you Alex and Heather.
No, the story is that Trump consistently push lockdowns,
and he's pushing lockdowns to this day.
He still says that, like, Cuomo did a better job than DeSantis.
Today, he truthed today. Can you believe that?
So, yeah, Trump is pro-lockdown.
He never apologized for his support of lockdowns.
Now, DeSantis, you can almost see tears in his eyes on the note of tears in his eyes.
DeSantis apologized.
He said lockdowns were the biggest mistake ever.
He'll never happen again.
Trump never apologized to lockdowns.
Is he going to apologize for killing that 100-year-old World War II veteran by vaccinating him?
Live on television?
Trump's vaccines, do you mean?
The one that he expedited, the warp speed?
Yeah, you know, you know that...
Can I time in for a minute?
He's 100% correct.
Those vaccines are?
Those vaccines are?
You know that 100?
Hey, Max.
Okay, this all comes down to pivoting.
Okay?
Now, you can pull out the little orders...
that have the Santa's signature on them.
And I know I was down here in South Florida.
This is Chris Nelson.
I'm reopened Chris on Twitter.
I started reopened South Florida
because these tyrant mayors were ruling over us.
They were shutting the beaches down.
They were shutting the restaurants down.
You can go back and you can find little pieces of paper
that have DeSantis's signature on them.
I know because they were using those to shove in our face.
I went to DeSantis' name.
And I called him out.
I saw him.
I chased him all over the state.
What are you going to do something about this, dude?
When are you going to rein these people in?
And then when he did the order, they ignored the orders.
There was this game going on.
And a lot of these mayors and commissioners were a lot older than DeSantis.
And they thought he was a little...
coward that they were going to run circles around and they were going to do anything and they're right
lifting them up and lifting them up but the point is is that ron desantis in 2021 especially
made a pivot.
And he, and do you know what, what repentance is?
You know, you talk about forgiveness, but what repentance is?
He did it for political reasons, period.
No, no, no, no, not at the time.
He was being crucified.
Nonsense.
He's been groomed since Yale to be Bush baby.
He was being crucified in the media.
He was being crucified by, by, and he couldn't take it, right?
A little bit of criticism and the meatball folded.
He was called death.
He did not. He has said strong.
He made a pivot.
He just said criticism from the media.
I made him pivot.
Can I just finish?
Please.
You're not going to stop.
Please.
Please.
Chris, finish your point off in 15 seconds and then I'll go out to Doc.
Go ahead, Chris.
Chris, unmute you, Mike.
It's bottom left.
Finish your point off in 15 seconds.
That means when you repent.
That means you make a change and then you spend the rest of your life fighting for that change.
And you actually take action.
He has now, do you know in the state of Florida?
I think this were the only state to do this.
No mask mandates ever again.
He signed a law against that.
No vaccine mandates for experimental or COVID vaccines.
Those are done.
In the state of Florida, none of these shutdowns can ever happen again.
And he has spent the rest of his time enshrining this into law.
Not only that, but he saved all of our jobs by tying the hands of these local mayors.
He, first by executive order and then by signing laws that said, you're not going to be doing this anymore.
Trump did not do that.
Trump sat back and had a laissez-faire attitude.
We know where Descenta stands.
Does anybody know, Alex Brouselwoods, can you tell me where Trump stands on this?
Would he do this all over again?
Because...
He has not addressed Fauci.
He has not addressed Operation Warp Speed.
The died suddenly, the vaccine.
He still, as far as I know, says the vaccine's against him here in Florida.
So that's a good question.
Let Alex answer.
We know where this answer is Trump.
Chris, you've asked.
Well, Chris, I don't speak.
Go ahead, Alex.
Trump stands for free choice with individuals and states to pursue their own law under the Constitution.
That's where Trump stands.
Let Alex answer.
Go ahead, Alex.
Well, I don't speak on behalf of President Trump or the Trump campaign or anybody but myself.
But President Trump hasn't promoted the vaccine at least since early 2022 or late 2021.
Now that's false.
Where does he stand to that?
So anybody else?
He's never supported.
Chris, he's never supported the Vax mandates.
He's been a, he was adamantly against the lockdowns shortly after most governors enacted them.
He came out strong against him.
He said, open up.
I remember him tweeting out, Liberate Michigan.
And ultimately that came back to bite him in the butt after the Fed started going at,
Gretchen Whitmer and set up to fake kidnapping hopes, but in all caps, President Trump.
What are you talking about? He recommended the lockdowns. It's in the nest. He recommended the lockdowns after his friend died.
So he tweets out, Liberate Michigan, everybody freaks out about that.
He was one of the leaders against the anti-lockdown movement after the governors, the tyrannical
governors shut down their states.
He took a federalist approach.
He believes in the Constitution.
He gave the states the rights to choose.
And every state, except for Christy Noem in South Dakota, God bless her, who was the original
champion of the anti-lockdown movement.
She didn't shut down.
She led the way, and she's rewarded for it.
She has the lowest unemployment in all of the country,
and I know that she represents a tiny state compared to a state like Florida or a state like Georgia.
But Christy Nob, if we want to talk about who was there from the get-go,
who was the one who never shut down, and Max is going to point to this letter that she allegedly wanted to sign.
But the truth is she didn't allegedly sign it.
It's a letter that she signed.
The truth is, Max.
The truth is everybody in here, Christy Nome was the one who never shut down.
And then you had people like Kim Reynolds, who's a great governor in Iowa.
You had Henry McMaster, who's a great governor in South Carolina.
You have Kemp, who I'm not a big fan of, obviously, for 2020 reasons,
but he was way out ahead of Randa Sanchez on everything.
Alex, let me ask a question.
Where Trump stands now.
Because COVID is the past.
People can make their own decision based on what they lived and what they saw, right?
But CBDCs are now coming up.
And we know where Trump stands and we know where Desanta stands.
And that to me is even a bigger danger than COVID.
And when Doc is saying Trump is for freedom, well, CBDCs take away a lot of freedom and he's for CBDCs.
So I love to hear from you his stance because no one loves to talk about that.
And Joe, real quick, real quick, guys, if you guys, if I can, real quick, I do want to add a couple things.
Number one, actually did a lot of this.
The Operation Morp Speed was written, my God, I think it was like 2015 or 16.
And unfortunately, one of Trump's things was that he, as an executive, as a business owner, CEO,
he relied on a lot of people that were in place to implement things.
That plan was written way before.
any of this happened and then he had to pivot with it.
And I think that it was an oversight that he did not actually address it.
I think he's going to need to address it coming up soon.
But keep in mind, that stuff was well planned out.
It was already a contingency plan way before Trump even took office.
But the other thing that he is going to have to address it,
but I do want to note that I think that's what the primaries are going to be for.
But again, Trump was a state's rights guy.
And unfortunately, I don't want the federal government exercising anti-lockdown policy over individual states if we're to believe that this Constitution should exist the way it is.
And so I just wanted to add a couple notes there, guys, because I think that it's, I think it was an oversight of him in office.
But I also think that we have to be honest about what was actually occurred.
So, Doc, I know you're wanting to get in here, man. Go ahead.
Well, I'm just going to dip a toe in.
Really, for me, the debate's over.
I've done a lot of research on this.
I've spammed the nest.
I've spanned the bubble.
People can address those points if they want.
I'll just one mention to Joe.
Joey, you said that this article that you put up here,
so that Trump decides to shut down the country.
And you take that as fact.
But that's not an established fact, not even in that article.
If you read it, if you actually go beyond an headline.
He recommended to shut down.
That's exactly what I said.
Okay.
But that's what Dr. Bix said.
That's the allegation that she said.
She, that's not, that's not establishing a fact.
That's her covering her ass, right, for falling along with Fauci.
And beyond that, to me, the debate settled.
I'm enjoying the conversation.
I'm sorry for chirping in, but, you know, Bill Mitchell.
Wasn't he in charge, Doc?
I mean, you know, the states are in charge.
You understand what federal is.
No, the states are in charge of implementing it and making the final decision.
100%.
Can I finish, Heather?
You can reply as soon as I'm done.
He made a recommendation to shut down until April 30th.
That was based on the medical experts.
That was the testimony.
That was what he was recommended to do.
He still makes that decision.
Are you saying he's a puppet?
In 2020 or 2019, let me finish.
I was given the mic.
I was giving the mic.
Okay.
In 2020, in 2021, no one in this room was tweeting out and making these points, including
Justin, which is probably why he left the room when I came in, because we've gone over
and over this.
Okay.
You have to look at this in the context of what Trump knew when.
All right.
No one knew in 2020 what the vaccine was going to be, that it was going to be MRNA,
that that was already been produced by Moderna, that the virus and the vaccines were products of DARPA and Defense Department research.
I mean, this was staged and ready for Agenda 21, and they used it on Trump.
Okay.
And that's all I got to say.
Doc, who has worked hardest not to have this happen ever again?
The Santas of Trump.
No, can I, can I respond?
Because I never made it happen to begin with.
The Santis was the one who closed out nursing homes.
You're saying that he's a puppet.
You're saying he's a puppet.
The Santas authorized, I'll end with this.
De Santis authorized in July of 2022,
the Sanchez.
that the doctors in Florida could vaccinate infants up to five years old.
He authorized that.
And there was a ton.
Yes, he did.
He absolutely did.
It was a legally approved medication.
He had no power to.
No, it was a legally approved medication.
Yes, he could.
That's not how.
It was killing people.
It's killing mothers right now.
You get you.
To not order vaccines for kids.
It's a legally approved medication.
He can't stop a...
Sorry, Brendan.
I should let you talk.
Yeah.
Max is right.
It was legally, it had no power in stopping it, but he was the only governor in America
that did not order vaccines for kids five and under.
Kristi No, she did, even though she didn't shut down.
That's not true.
That's not true, actually.
No, it's not.
Actually, so Ron DeSantis, this is one of the reasons why I can't stand him.
He loves making...
Can I say something real quick?
No, but I want to, let Laura finish.
Okay.
All right, Laura.
You have fun.
Let Laura.
We have to actually prove that this is a lie.
So, Rhonda Santis.
All right.
She doesn't sound like she's there.
Can I just say that about-
Wait, Chris.
No, I want to finish my point.
I need to finish my point.
One second, Laura.
We have to correct the record.
One second, Laura.
Chris, can you not hear Laura?
I cannot hear Laura.
All right, I'll bring you down and bring you back up.
Go ahead, Laura.
Okay.
So what Ron DeSantis does, and he does it often, is he has, I like to say his greatest
accomplishment is his PR team, okay?
He has a great PR team.
And they've been able to manufacture this fake image about, oh, Desanthus being the most popular
governor in America.
When the reality is, is that he has these press conferences where he says that he's doing
something and then he either doesn't do it or he just never follows through on what he said
during his press conference.
And when...
Wait, are you talking about Trump or Desantis?
I'm not sure, because it sounds familiar.
It was Forbes magazine that came out with an article about how Ron DeSantis,
and I don't know how I put stuff up in the top section of this space.
He was the only-
He was incorrect.
He had a press conference and he said, he said 49 governors.
Let me finish.
49 governors were going to approve the COVID vaccine for children under five.
And then he had this big press conference saying, oh, well, I'm the only one that's, you know,
pushing back on this.
And then days later, he authorized the purchase of vaccines, COVID vaccines for children under five in the state of Florida.
And yet he received credit.
for doing the opposite when he did exactly what every other governor in the country did.
So he's a bullshit artist, and he likes doing this because then he'll get these big flashy headlines
and these appearances on Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity, where he's able to post his lies.
But then he doesn't follow through.
He did the same thing with the big tech social media bill.
He went on Tucker Carlson and said, it is now illegal in the state of Florida for candidates to be deplatformed.
And yet...
I was de-platformed both of my campaigns, and he said that they were going to be fined, $250,000 a day, each company.
So that would have been hundreds of millions of dollars when you look at the fact that I was denied access by every single social media company to have an account during my campaign, and nothing was done about it.
So I just want to correct the record because it's absolutely not true that DeSantis...
uh ban the use of uh COVID vaccines for children under five he totally
nobody claimed that's not what I said you're saying you're saying multiple like he never claimed
that he banned the vaccine for children under five it was a very simple it was like kind of pedantic
point
which was that the state did not order the vaccine for children under five.
Then the White House lied to Forbes, said that he reversed himself on that.
He didn't reverse himself on that.
It was just a lie from the White House.
So basically what you are doing is repeating the false claims that's Karina Jopjeer.
That's not true.
That's not true. Children in Florida under five have been able to get access to vaccines.
I feel like you're not listening to me. I said the state wouldn't order it, not that doctors can't order it. Doctors always could order it.
That was never prevented.
No, Lumer.
No, doctors could not access it because the state was not permitting it up to a point in July of 2022.
Santa said, okay. And women died and babies died as a result. Bayers proves it.
Now,
How about Florida Surgeon General being the one in the nation saying that men under the age of 38 should not be taking this vaccine?
I mean, Florida, we're just, we're talking about revisionists here.
And yet Florida is clearly leading the way.
Listen, I get it.
Trump to Santis.
It's going to be a la rah, rah, I love both the guys.
But facts are facts.
Florida is leading the way against the vaccine.
Can I comment now, please?
Because I've patiently.
It's hilarious how when they say that Trump didn't recommend the lockdown, it was Fauci, it was them.
But then in Florida, when DeSantis didn't approve the thing to be for children, it was the, it was the, not.
Not the FDA, but whoever it was, then all of a sudden it's the Santis and not the other guy.
Come on, man.
So here's the thing.
Here's the one point I want to drive home.
Can I please weigh in here?
Here's the one thing I want to drive home to everybody listening, right?
Right.
At the end of the day in America, we and we alone are responsible for our own bodies and our own decisions.
What we want are leaders that give us the option.
For me, I don't care if Trump is pro-vaccine or anti-vaccine.
I care about whether or not he's going to protect my right to decide what's best to put in my body.
And I can say that after four years of President Trump's leadership, I to this day am still unvaccinated.
Right.
When somebody like DeSantis is sitting on his gubernatorial throne and thinks he is the legal authority to tell somebody that.
they can or can't go to work, or they can or can't gather in this many groups,
or they can't go to a beach and get vitamin D, which is healthy for you from the sun.
Like when he starts thinking in his own mind that he has the legal authority
to dictate the movement of the people that he represents, that for me is a problem.
I would rather have a president that is pro-vaccine, but pro-choice and lets me decide if I want to get it or not.
then to have one that's anti-ACPie but forces everybody not to get it.
You're talking about the mayors, Heather.
The mayors were the ones.
Heather, are you grateful that.
Are you grateful that Desanth took these mayor's on?
Max, hang on.
One second.
Guys, we have too many people talking.
Let me give it to, one second, Josh.
Let me give it to Chris.
Chris, go ahead.
All right. So when she talks about these people sitting on their thrones and everything, she's talking about Broward Mayor Steve Geller, aka the Penguin. She's talking about mayor of Miami, Carlos Gamenez, a Republican.
No, I'm talking about Ron DeSantis when he signed that executive order.
Please.
I'm literally talking about Ron DeSantis.
I'm not talking about Mary.
You didn't do that, though.
What you're,
who you're describing.
He signed an executive order.
Will you let me finish?
Can you mute her so I can finish please?
Okay.
He's right.
These mayors, the Carlos Gamenez, who Donald Trump endorsed for Congress, got him into Congress, and now he's one of these congressmen in the Florida Sucks Caucus that have endorsed Trump.
was the one who shot down the beach in Miami. I got the video of Kimberly Faulkenstein getting arrested
on the beach here in Fort Lauderdale. I led a group of people. We took our beach back. Laura Lumer
was invited to that, but she couldn't make it that day for something. It was not very great. You and I, you and I text
each other often and I could literally go back in my text messages right now and pull up when
you said, oh, you know, Desantis said he didn't lock down his book.
I was reading his book and I was fact checking it.
And you and yourself told me that you had a copy of the executive order that showed that he
was the one that locked down the beaches.
Can I please finish?
Can I finish?
Can I finish?
He shut it down.
It's in an executive order.
Will you let me finish?
Okay.
Yeah.
So we took our beach back.
Yeah.
It was the local governments that were doing this.
And listen, okay, if DeSantis signed, he signed the emergency order, okay?
Fine.
So if he becomes president and the state's not to rebel against him, is he just going to fold?
Yes, he will. No, no, no. This is the difference between DeSantis and Trump. And I'll wrap up. This is very important, though. And you can read this in his book. Okay, we can argue over whose signature is on what order and all all day long. But we all know it was the mayors that we're doing this.
The different poll. Please, Laura. Well, you stop billabustering. Let me finish my thought. I'm not talking. That's how they're talking. You talk so much. Okay. So listen.
The difference between DeSantis and Trump is no, Desanthus would not let.
You all sound alike, girls.
Please, can I finish?
DeSantis would not allow a Cuomo, a Newsom to do these things.
He has what he calls energy in the executive.
I call it BDE in the executive, okay?
He came down and he whipped these mayors into shape.
He stripped them of their power when they were whining the whole time.
He was sued by the teachers' unions for stepping in on the mask mandates for kids,
took on these school boards with them in a shape.
They were not going to cooperate with you.
We're going to continue to mask these kids.
You know what he did?
He pulled their funding.
Donald Trump has a more libertarian view, which is not conservative.
It is let me just sit back and we're just going to let these things happen.
I'm good with that.
The energy and the executive, he reigned in Disney.
He reigned in the mayors because that's what government's supposed to do.
Government is there to protect our rights.
Right, Laura, go ahead.
Disney is totally disjured.
Right, Chris, you're taking way too long.
Laura finished her point.
I said to wrap up 50 seconds.
Go ahead, Laura.
Another lie that DeSantis reigned in Disney.
He absolutely did not.
In fact, Disney just announced yesterday
that they're pulling out $1 billion worth of developments
in the Orlando area,
which is going to have severe economic,
severe economic disadvantages for people who live in Orlando.
He's already, his behavior and his actions towards Disney
have resulted in layoffs of over 4,000 employees.
And look, like, yeah...
Obviously, I don't support Disney's positions on LGBTQ agendas, but these are Floridians who have lives and kids to feed and families.
And now there's people that are left without a job in the middle of, you know, the high-
If he was four, you would attack them.
If it was four, you would attack them for supporting Disney.
Thank you.
No, I attended the protests.
I actually organized the biggest protests outside of Disney in support of the parental rights in education legislation.
So that's not true.
But we don't need the governor.
The governor is now attacking Floridians.
economically as a way to boost his own ego.
That's what this is about.
Remember, you're not explaining how, you're not explaining, like, your position is
the same as Disney.
You say that basically, Descenta should do whatever Disney asked or else Disney will retaliate.
Like, how are you different from the league?
Well, corporations, technically speaking, corporations have a First Amendment right.
Corporations are allowed to dooni as they see fit.
You should basically do nothing about Disney, right?
Well, what is there, what is he going to do?
Is he going to stop down Disney?
Right, exactly.
So your position is that you should do nothing about Disney.
You're one of the, you're, you're, you're one of those old-fashioned Bush, Bush, Ryan, Republicans.
You don't get to brag.
You don't get to brag.
You don't get to brag.
He doesn't get to brag about how, oh, Florida just had record high tourism rates this week.
And then at the same time, try to shut down Disney.
Okay, why do you think people are coming to Florida?
Yeah, a lot of people are coming to Florida because they're going to Disney.
Can you guys tell me if how come none of the disciples want to talk about the CBDCs?
I'd love to hear one of the disciples.
No, one second, Joe, we'll come to that in a second.
It takes away more freedom than COVID does.
One second.
Because it's permanent.
It's not temporary.
Joe,
Joe, we'll come to that in a second.
But this is an interesting point.
Because Disney, the fact that, I mean, even Lev, who doesn't like Trump said that Desantis lost to Mickey Mouse, my initial thought on it is, like, if Desantis isn't able to negotiate.
for in a situation and be able to keep Disney in there,
apparently there's 2,000 jobs lost,
billions of pounds lost from the state.
How is he going to be able to,
oh, 4,000?
How is he going to be able to basically negotiate
international peace treaties between Ukraine and Russia?
Brendan.
You're so right.
He can't.
You're so right.
He can't.
This is being fun.
in a very false light.
Listen, Disney's been a failing,
is been failing on the Stark market
for a long time now.
These were things that they were cutting jobs
last year before this fight,
and now they're cutting even more jobs
because they can't,
they're continuing to do poor.
And it's not because of Desanthus,
it's just because people don't like Disney
as much as they're making stupid business to
like their stupid Star Wars hotel that cost $6,000 for a weekend for a family to go to.
And those 2,000 jobs are actually jobs they were moving from California.
So that was going to be 2,000 liberals that moved to Disney in Orlando.
Let's be, let's be honest about the fact.
You don't know of their liberals.
What evidence do you have that every single one of those people are liberals?
You just said that you're done with people moving to Florida and now you're mad.
that Disney's not in 2000, California.
Be honest, Laura.
You're never honest.
You don't know.
You don't know what the political affiliation of those people are.
You said it 10 minutes ago in this case.
I'm tired of people coming to Florida.
And now you're saying for political reasons,
I'm talking about the fact.
I said for financial reasons.
Because as a Floridian, rents,
Rent is skyrocketing. I mean, I used to pay almost, I used to pay.
So thank you. I'm paying almost double what I pay now for rent, okay, in the state of Florida.
My utility bill is almost tripled, okay?
This has all happened under Governor Ron DeSantis.
People are getting bought out of their homes.
You should move in.
People want to move to Florida.
People want to move to Florida.
But all the home insurance companies are insolvenger in the state of Florida.
The state insurer last resort is insolvent.
Okay, we're going to have a future crisis.
We're going to have a foreclosure crisis in the state of Florida this next hurricane season because the governor lost.
lied to protect his own re-election efforts and they were not doing proper reserve audits on all of
the insurance companies in the state of florida including citizens insurance which is overseen by
the governor of florida and cfo jimmy petronis and all these people are going to lose their homes okay
it seems like you should be happy that these two thousand people didn't move here then we can talk about
how amazing florida is this next hurricane season when people lose their homes and there's a foreclosure
crisis and i'm i'm sure you're never going to blame desanthus
for that one too, because, you know, you never blame
Descanas for anything.
California. Good thing those 2,000 people aren't
coming then. That's all I got to say.
Yeah, I mean, you kind of go back and forth
with your argument on this, Laura. Is it good or bad
that they're not moving here? I'm talking
about the fact that Ron DeSantis
is trying to kill jobs
in the state of Florida to boost his own ego
in this...
Pissing match with Disney.
And he's not even winning.
Not 2,030 jobs.
2,000 jobs of people that they would move from California offices because they are
cutting costs and making things smaller and there's more space in Orlando.
That's the truth.
It's not 2,000 Floridian jobs.
It's 2,000 Californian jobs.
And you know what?
I'm willing to bed that a majority of those people are very left wing in voting.
So I'm glad they're not coming.
Well, it's kind of funny because you're probably going to argue that DeSantis created jobs, right?
Because, like, if people in New York and California are just driven by draconian lockdowns to Florida,
and then they go there and they're given a job, you're going to be like, Ron DeSantis created jobs.
But then in reality, like, even if they go there and he does something bad that, like, cuts jobs,
like you make excuses for it.
What did he make jobs in Florida?
Yes or no?
Did he make jobs in Florida?
Yes or no.
I don't live in Florida, so that would be a question for the right.
Well, my problem with the Disney, my problem with the Disney situation mainly is the fact that all of the DeSantis surrogates on this website about a year ago spun it up as DeSantis beat Disney.
And that was just false.
That never happened.
And I would like to know, I like to know when is he, like Disney is woker and more LGBT
plus, whatever the hell they are these days than ever before.
They're doing a big pride event at Disney in June, which is coming up.
Maybe Max is going to attend.
I don't know.
But they're woker than ever before.
like Brendan and Max have been stating that they were that DeSantis is not the one who is causing the economic damage on Disney that's been going on for a couple of years even before the fight.
So what is DeSantis getting out of this fight?
How is he benefiting the people of Florida?
And the answer is nothing.
I'll tell you what he's getting out of it.
So great points, Alex.
And this whole deal about, oh, well, we're going to dissolve the,
the Reedy Creek District.
And then I'm going to appoint my own board.
This was just a little quid pro quo for Christian Ziegler and his wife,
Bridget Ziegler, who is on the board.
so that he can have political control over Christian Ziegler, who just became the new chairman of the Florida GOP.
Okay.
So Christian Ziegler likes to pretend like he's so neutral and, oh, yeah, well, I can't really take a position on Trump or DeSantis because I'm in charge of the Florida GOP.
But, you know, DeSantis basically bribed them by saying, oh, well, I'll give your wife a position so she can feel really important.
Well, I give, I personally, I personally give Christian, Laura, you know I might disagree here, but I personally give Christian the benefit of that. I like Christian. Christian's somebody who, who I've gotten to know.
He's totally, he's totally in the back for his dance. I think Bridget is a great school board member. I think the Reedy Creek thing is a total farce. That's a fake.
It's a fake district.
It has zero power, as we all know now.
But all DeSantis has done with the Disney fight has used it for photo ops, for press conferences, and for viral stories.
But that's exactly what I just said.
I just said that.
He used it for himself.
The people of Florida are losing because of it.
The district has no real power.
He did that on purpose so that he could get political capital with Christian Ziegler and his wife.
Because as we just saw this week, Desantis likes to bully people into supporting him and threaten people into supporting him.
He was literally successful.
threatening and his chief of staff were threatening the new republican lawmakers in the florida
legislature saying that they were going to veto and kill off one their re-election efforts and two
all of their legislation that they wanted to introduce even brendon i saw you reported this on your
twitter unless he endorsed them it's ridiculous and that's exactly what he did with this with this board
you're putting words into my reports hold on here
what
Disney is donated to
DeSantis's
inaugural fund
Doc, wait,
wait, wait,
go ahead and
Brennan.
Or it.
Yeah. What I reported, it had nothing to do with the endorsements. The endorsements were actually very natural and came from a grassroots effort that Blazingolia led among all the lawmakers.
And he's the one that's a rhino. He's in the bag for Ron DeSantis.
Okay. Okay. That's whatever your thoughts. He's literally leading the charge. No, it's not my thoughts. It's fact. I called him out publicly and he ran away like a little bit. He, he is leading the charge as far as Senate to round up lawmakers support for DeSantis.
Laura, you can get in after I fixed what you just said about my reporting.
So Blaze is the one that got all the endorsements and there was no threats made at all.
I know these lawmakers very well.
I talked to a lot of them.
What I reported about was a future speaker's race in the Florida legislature, the Florida House,
and the chief of staff of Ronda Santis was calling up...
some of those freshman lawmakers, and he was basically himself, not the governor.
I don't know what his intention was, and I have no evidence to say that it was the governor
directing this, but the chief of staff was the one that was being a little threatening
about a speaker's race for 2028 saying that you better vote for this person over that person.
That's what that reporting was.
Yeah, and the chief of staff works for the governor and takes directive from the governor.
Just like people wanted to say, oh, you know,
DeSantis didn't have any role and resigned to run.
But, oh, you know, his chief of staff just happened to be having conversations with Kathleen Pasadino and,
and renner in the house, right?
Yeah, because he's taking directive from Ron DeSantis.
They're using Ron DeSantis and his legislative aides and his chiefest staff as a way to push legislative change in the Florida legislature.
I mean, we're not stupid.
We're not naive.
We know how this works, right?
We know how this works.
So he does make threats.
And Politico, and his wife makes threats too.
Politico just had this amazing article today about how Casey or Jill, as I call her,
that's her real name, Desanth, is essentially like a lady Macbeth.
And they talked about the threatening and the vindictive nature of Desanthus and his wife.
And how they threatened people into doing what they want.
Max, who was, who was sourced in that article?
Can you remind this Twitter space what these credible sources that apparently Politico has in that article about Casey DeSantis?
A bunch of Lincoln Project people.
Yeah.
That's not Lincoln Project people either.
There's other people as well who have worked for him.
It's Max de Panavitch.
There's a lot of documented reports of former staffers who have documented their terrible experiences working with DeSantis.
He wants everybody to feel so sorry for him for being, for his wife having cancer and being a cancer survivor.
But did you know there was a lady?
I believe her name was Jennifer Lassetta.
I think she works for like Trump's PAC now.
And from what I was told, and this is documented when she had cancer,
DeSantis fired her the same week she came back after having cancer.
So it's like, oh, we're supposed to feel so sorry and never say a bad word about Jill
because, oh, she's a cancer survivor.
But we're not going to talk about the fact that she's just fired people,
fired people who were undergoing cancer treatment.
Let me go to...
Why are you upset that if you see, the Santis goes by your middle name?
Like, why does that bother you?
No, I'm just calling out the fact that they're frauds.
Like, he doesn't even go by her real name.
Like, why is it, like, going by your middle name is like not a...
He doesn't even go by her real name.
He has 10 million pronunciations of his last name.
I mean, I've never seen a grown man in his 40s who has 10 million different pronunciations of his name.
Ron DeSantis.
Well, why does it buy you go by middle name?
Like, people go by the middle name.
Just saying they're manufactured fake.
Everything about them is fake.
And there's, there's credible sources as well.
Roger Stone is a source as well.
Don't tell me that.
You said credible sources, but then you said Roger.
That's rich coming from Project Veritas.
So rich from someone who works for Veritas.
I don't work for Project Veritas.
I worked for Project Veritas and James O'Keefe at the time of its greatness before it got hijacked by Matt Hiramond and the board.
So, yeah, I'm one of the original Project Veritas journalist, and I'm still very close with James O'Keefe.
So I don't understand.
Yeah, the ones that edited videos.
Like, is that supposed to be an initial that I worked for Veritas because I guarantee you I've done more impactful undercover work than you'll ever accomplish in your entire.
And really and really good, Laura, I have to applaud you.
Really good editing.
You guys were excellent at editing.
You should win an Academy Award for editing.
This really has nothing to do with Trump and Sanchez.
So let me just, yeah, let me just go to.
I do want to make one little connection there if I could.
One second, Heather.
The attorney that was representing Project Veritas before, right before Project Veritas outed James O'Keefe,
the same attorney that represented Project Veritas also represented Dominion in their lawsuit
against Rudy Giuliani, among others.
That same attorney, Ron DeSantis, came out applauding.
Yeah.
So Rhonda Sanchez has directly tied to the attorney that worked through Project Veritas that out of James.
Do you any comment on that?
The attorney that went after Rudy Giuliani, period.
It is Kim Gilfiel.
What do you think of the fact that's Kim Gilfell's attorney?
Like, does that care?
Do you care or do you care or not her attorney?
It's, okay.
We're just, we're just going to.
All right.
See, that's the reaction.
They're just going to lie about it.
Whatever.
Okay.
I mean, what, like, so you have a source that says that she's Kim, Kim Gilfoyle's attorney?
I don't know about currently, but she was, yeah.
Many years ago.
Many, many, many years ago.
Oh, okay. Oh, there we go. There we go. All right. Thanks for the mission. Everybody here heard that. Thank you.
All of this has... Right. Let me just go to... One second, guys. Let me just go to Tony. Tony, what's your thoughts on this?
Oh, really? I have no notes to give. I think you guys are doing a fantastic job ripping each other apart with lies. It's great. You guys are starting off this primary season. Right. Just destroying each other. I hope you keep burning it down. The only thing I would like to hear is if...
You guys want to kill each other in the room over Chris Christie, possibly entering race and helping out either Trump or Ronda Santas.
That would be fantastic.
I'd love to hear you guys just kill each other over that.
Let's do that.
Thanks for having me in the room.
Thank you.
The only thing he should be running for is weight loss.
Yeah, run on the treadmill.
Exactly.
He needs to go for a run on the treadmill.
Look, we all agree.
Hey, look, you just brought us all together, Tony.
Yeah, I don't normally do that.
I normally come in here and I piss people off.
But, you know, I'm excited about you guys.
I'm excited about you guys just absolutely lying and lying and lying and then, you know,
more lies and then oh this is a lie well that's a lie and you're a liar and you're a liar
it's fantastic here you guys call each other liars i i'm just finally who do you like the lie about
tony i'm finally glad to hear you guys admit it out loud it's great okay so another point what
i want you guys to discuss is uh trump i think yeah it was trump he posted and it was
published by fox news that
essentially he felt like DeSantis' position on abortion was too harsh, the six-week rule.
For people who are conservative, would that push them?
Doc, would that push you a bit thinking, guess what, Trump's a lot more lenient when it comes to abortion?
I'll speak to it as a chiropractic physician.
No, I think that's too short a period.
I've accepted the fact that there is going to be legal abortion.
I think it, like Ruth Bader Ginsburg said, it should be safe, it should be cheap,
and it just shouldn't happen.
It should be rare.
Sorry, just flashing on the quote.
Cheap, safe, and rare.
Six weeks is too soon.
I've got two daughters, I've got a wife.
I've had girlfriends.
A lot of times you cannot tell that you're pregnant if you've just missed one period.
Some women just have period variability like that on a regular basis.
So I'm glad that Trump did what he did.
I give it all the credit for Roe v. Wade being overturned to Trump.
He announced it as a policy when he ran.
He hoped to get two.
He got three justices.
And he primarily chose them because of this issue.
They betrayed him on other issues.
But he first, this first criteria that I understand that Trump put in front of them was their pro-life or pro-abortion perspective.
Right.
So I just think 12 weeks to 15 weeks is sort of the worldwide standard.
That's the average standards I understand it throughout Europe.
And only China and the U.S. allows abortion up to birth, which is the law here in California, and it's never going to change.
and millions and millions of babies are going to die as a result.
Potential babies, you know?
Let me go to Laura.
Laura, Laura, I get a doc's position, but for pro-lifers,
this is going to be a vote for DeSantis, isn't it?
It's not because, look, Donald Trump, okay?
Donald Trump is the most pro-life president in U.S. history.
And the fact of the matter is, is we can thank Donald Trump for having Roe v. Wade overturned.
It was Donald Trump and his Supreme Court justice appointees that made that a reality.
And so, look.
Even Republican voters, I hate to say it, not all of them are socially conservative. A lot of Republican voters are fiscally conservative and they're registered Republican for that reason. But there are a lot of Republican female voters who are pro abortion. There are. It's just a reality. Like it's it's, it's
It's categorically false to say that every single Republican or independent voting woman in this country is pro-life.
And so, or they may be pro-life, but they may be pro-life to a certain degree, like the previous speaker was saying.
And I know that people make the argument, oh, there's no such thing.
You're either pro-life or you're not.
Well, there are a lot of women who consider themselves to be pro-life, but...
after, only after the first trimester.
And so I think that this is a way for them to take a cheap shot at Donald Trump.
I think that Donald Trump's position is actually the more wide-held position.
What is his position?
All right.
Real quick.
It's up to the states.
That's his position.
What position should the states take?
What is his position?
Wait, hold on that.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Hold on.
And this is why I don't like the abortion conversation with presidents.
He's the executive.
He's not a legislator, number one.
So if Congress wants to pass a law, they have a right to do so.
Otherwise, it leads up to the states, which is why that being repealed through the Supreme Court was the most important.
It returns it back to the states.
And I think that if presidents engage in the abortion conversation, they are overstepping their constitutional authority.
So if I were Trump, I would say...
No, there's a First Amendment.
He's lost evangelicals. He's lost them all.
Wait.
No, what?
Trump has lost the evangelicals and he's never getting it back.
People know he's a liberal guy. He's liberal on abortion.
He's a liberal on all these issues.
I knew that about him in 2016.
Guys, there's too much introduction. Let Chris finish and then I'll go to you, though.
Chris, go ahead.
Okay, so Donald Trump has lost the evangelicals and he's never getting them back.
And if you remember, because, you know, he's cheated on his wife.
He's done these things.
He's always been more liberal.
He lets women go in the, or men go in the women's bathroom and Trump Tower.
And he really has never been a real pro-life kind of guy.
But if you remember, it was Jerry Falwell Jr.
that came out and told all the evangelicals in 2016 that Trump's all right.
You can vote for him.
Well, Jerry Falwell Jr. got caught getting men to have sex with his wife and watching
him. So he doesn't have him anymore. And now we're seeing really the liberal Donald Trump. And
he's not a pro or very pro life guy. Um,
And I think that is important.
How you view life is very important, and it's going to be very important to evangelical Christians and Bible-believing Jews and people that believe in the Bible.
And they are going to go with the man who has stronger convictions on that.
And this is another thing where...
DeSantis makes decisions that may not make political sense.
He doesn't go by the polls.
He goes by the guiding, his guiding star.
He goes by his convictions.
and lets the chips fall where they may.
That's the guy that people want to have in office,
not the guy that goes by the polls.
And we know that Donald Trump,
the only reason he's saying this about abortion,
I don't even know what the guy really believes, to be honest with you.
I couldn't even tell you what he actually believes on anything.
But on abortion, we know he goes by the polls.
I know this because I know people around him.
And Alex knows this, and everybody that's around Trump knows this.
He looks at those polls every day, and polling tells you,
Could he ignore the will of the people?
Is that what you're suggesting, Chris?
He should just ignore what people think.
Yeah, you do the right thing.
I'm telling you, I'm not saying one way or another,
but this is what I believe is right.
And I'll tell you how Desanthus governs.
He does what his convictions tell him,
and he lets the chips fall where they may.
And you look at that election result from 2020.
So, Doc, let me ask you a question.
One second, Chris.
One second, Chris.
Let me ask Doc a question based on what he said,
and then you can elaborate, Doc.
So if the poll ensure that the majority of the country was, for example,
teaching trans in schools, then it'd be okay for Trump to hold that position.
No, I think that this was reasonable to take a poll.
If, in fact, Chris is telling the truth, and I have no reason to believe that that's the fact.
He hasn't supported or identified a source.
And his assessment, subjective assessment.
Wait, no, I have a source for the polls.
Okay, we'll just post it up in the next.
That's fine.
And said that always, no, no, wait.
You're calling me a liar.
I'm telling you.
Make sure that it includes the data behind it, okay?
So I can look in how they conducted the poll.
Okay?
I read studies.
I don't make headlines.
Trump watches polls.
I know this because people around him have said it publicly.
I got it on video.
Every politician, every politician looks at polls.
That's how they spend money.
On Desantis does not make decisions based on the polls.
And this is why people are like, how many times do you want to say it?
Can I just finish?
When DeSantis was making all these decisions about masks, going against masks, going against the vaccine, we've got what Joe Latipo is an America's frontline doctor.
He hired an America's frontline doctor as his socialized.
Gorge in general. One of the people that was in front of the Supreme Court in the white coat lab,
Summit, who's telling everybody don't take the vaccine. And we all know that Donald Trump's vaccine
has caused a lot of damage. I thought we were talking about the abortion, Chris. You're all over the map.
Chris.
Desantis has never gone by the polls.
DeSantis made those decisions about the lockdowns when media was going at him, when Washington was going at him, when the Brower government was going at him, other congressmen were going at him.
People from Trump's administration, Fauci were going at him.
Everybody would have said, Ron DeSantis, you are crazy.
Just do the mass mandate.
Just go along with it.
But he said no when it was politically not favorable.
And guess what?
People appreciate that.
And now he's being proven right.
And this is just how we make decisions.
I think this is a chat bot who's talking about us here right now.
This is really getting tired.
Let me tell you guys about the abortion argument.
It's, you know what?
Believe it or not, a majority of Americans support the 15-week ban, right around 15 weeks.
So to Chris's point, he's right.
Governor really doesn't listen to the polls.
He did what he thinks is morally right by pushing the six-week abortion ban.
And to Doc's point, he's also right.
Trump, the right answer is Trump.
says it's up to the states and trump uh taking a shot at desantis over this is something that's
actually kind of favorable uh across the nation when you if we're talking about polls again they do
favor listen me i abortion conception starts at life starts at conception that's it for me personally
period but if you're looking at the numbers the hard numbers like real real numbers
Most of America supports about 12 to 15 week abortion ban,
and they think six weeks is too much.
So that's why Trump has taken a shot at him over it.
Let me jump in on that.
Look.
DeSantis took a six-week abortion ban stance for political reasons.
He has no history, no history of supporting that standard.
Let me finish, okay.
He did it to get to the right of Trump to do what you suggested has been done, which I disagreed with, which is to get the evangelical support.
Okay. I'm really disappointed in Franklin Graham because the moment that DeSantis started his book tour, Graham came out in support of him, right?
Do you have any evidence that DeSantis doesn't actually believe the things that he, that he has said and never wavered on?
No, so I'm just doing a ton of research.
And my substack is on to Sanchez and Cliff is up there.
Go ahead and take a read on it and DM me.
You know, I'll follow you.
No, no, no.
I mean the evidence that he doesn't believe that like abortion restrictions are good.
Can you, can I see the evidence for that?
That who doesn't like abortion bans?
Yeah.
And you reframe your question.
I don't understand.
The Sanchez doesn't really believe the things that he does.
You said, Desantis doesn't really believe in the six-week abortion ban?
Do you have any evidence for that?
What I said was that he did it for political reasons.
He did it to get to the right of Trump, which he's...
But if he believes it, what does political reasons mean?
You said, does he believe it or not?
Does he support it or not?
Like, if he's a dictator and he didn't have to, like, answer anyone, would he assign it?
He's doing it for personal reasons.
He's doing it for power and money.
How old are you?
How old are you?
You actually can't have a Christian, and he does things based on his Christian principles and cares more about pleasing God than man.
How about somebody that cares more about pleasing God?
Right. So do you have any evidence that DeSantis does not believe in the policies that he signed?
Well, he's not proud of it. He might believe in it, Max, but he's not proud of it.
He runs away from it.
Go show me during his congressional campaigns where he came out for six weeks or no abortion.
Well, Max.
Let me ask you something, Max.
Your god emperor, Ron DeSantis, he was in New Hampshire today with a roundtable discussion with a lot of the legislators, including the low IQ guy, Jason Osborne.
And he was touting all of his different, quote-unquote, accomplishments in the state of Florida.
Not proud of what?
But the one he didn't bring up.
was abortion. He did not bring up his six-week abortion ban. He doesn't celebrate his six-week abortion ban.
He doesn't talk about it. He hasn't promoted. He went to Liberty University, and he brushed over it in his speech.
When he's on the campaign trail, he doesn't talk about it. So my question to you, Max, is if you think he's, if you think it's actual,
So, and he did it.
Look, 82,000 abortions last year in the state of Florida.
Why didn't Ryan care about that?
You're the one who said that abortion is murder and then you attacked him as soon as he signed the bill.
No, I'm not attacking him.
The only reason, let me say this.
Next, please find the tweet of me attacking Ron over his abortion policy.
I have it.
The only reason.
You've never even said it was a good thing that he signed it.
You just said, oh, it's crazy that he doesn't talk about it in the right way.
Like, again.
The reason he doesn't talk about it.
I'm talking to the audience here.
Like, we see what's going on.
I'll tell you why he doesn't talk about it, okay?
Let me tell you.
He doesn't want to talk about the six-week abortion ban anymore
because he thought, oh, this is going to make me look like
just as aggressive and just as pro-life as Donald Trump
since Donald Trump, how do I outdo Donald Trump
helping to overturn Roe v. Wade?
And then what happened is when he did this,
he lost one of the biggest donors in the country,
the richest man in Florida, a man by the name of Tomas
who actually donated to my
I agree with you that DeSantis doesn't
and his donors
his donors said
we're not going to give you any more money now
because we don't think you're a serious
presidential candidate because of the six week
abortion ban and now he doesn't want to
talk about it as a way
So he's willing to lose donors.
He's willing to lose his donors.
But he doesn't listen to his donors.
Thank you all.
You guys just don't shut the hell up when he finished my
We can't hear anybody.
He did listen to his donors because then they said, if you want our money, you have to stop talking about abortion.
And so then he stopped talking about abortion, and now he's getting the money.
So, yeah, if you have any proof of this, Laura, you have no proof of it.
Yes, there are.
I feel like you just made it out in my opinion.
Okay, so I'm not making it up.
There is, there are multiple articles.
Crazy little conspiracies and you say nasty things about Casey DeSantis.
And really, you're not too entrust.
You're not too entrust.
You asked me to give you the source on this, but you never shut the fuck up.
Are you going to listen so I can give you the source?
All you've been doing.
I wish I recorded it.
You had made me.
Guys, too much screaming.
Let Laura go then and go to Chris.
Go ahead, Laura.
God, her again, really?
I don't know.
I don't know how to put stuff in the nest
I don't know.
and so I will DM it to the host
and he can put it in the nest and you can see it
out of the donor's mouth himself.
Okay? I'm just tired of people
falsely accusing me of spreading conspiracies
just because you want to shout louder
and you don't want to listen to my sourcing.
You do this. Bill Mitchell does this. Max does this.
Everything.
single time you've challenged me on one of my points and I've offered the sourcing for this.
You tried to falsely accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist. And then you go on Twitter and say,
oh, it's Laura Lumer who inspired me to do my work, Chris. It doesn't work both ways. Okay?
It doesn't work both ways. Yeah. Wait, let me pick you back. Let me pick us back on.
Laura. Do you dream about Rhonda Santhus? Do you dream about him, Laura? No, I'm actually
principled. I, I saw this.
I saw this on the, I saw what was happening years ago, Chris.
And I've been speaking out against Montesantis since 2021 in the state of Florida.
So, okay, look, I want to add one thing on to Laura's comment.
I want to add one little thing here.
One second, how the, had that.
Go ahead.
One little thing.
One little thing.
Because Chris was saying, oh, well, Ron doesn't, you know, cave to his donors.
Well, just because there's a whole bunch of people that have money that could be donating to him.
So just because in this one instance, he didn't, right?
I want to point out the fact that they all tried to deflect what I said he closed down Airbnb rentals all across the state of Florida during COVID.
But he kept open the hotels.
And then got a huge, his biggest donation was from a hotel tycoon.
Okay?
So just because he is not beholden to one donor, he might be beholden to another donor,
which is another reason that separates President Trump, who is a self-made billionaire.
He is not beholden to people's money.
And you're right.
You're right, because Trump has no donors anymore.
They've all left them and gone to Sanchez.
They're all brass.
There is donors.
Desanthas has his pick.
And guess what?
Desanthus took on the cruise industry.
Guess who you can thank for not having to wear a mask on an airplane.
Ron DeSantis and Ashley Moody.
They are the ones that sued the Biden administration and won.
They sued over the cruise line.
Yeah, the Institute of the Masked Man.
Desanus has been fighting where Trump failed us and where Biden has failed us,
they're now sending people to the border.
Ashley Moody just won another battle in court against the caches.
and release program.
Ron DeSantis and Ashley Moody
have been fighting the battle.
And they have been getting victory.
And somebody said earlier that,
oh, Desancus says all these things
and then he doesn't do them.
He has, what is he been doing
the past couple weeks?
The medical freedom laws permanent in Florida.
That stuff is never going to happen again.
He has been fighting for us with the protecting kids in schools from the transgender things.
The digital currency.
Who else is talking about the digital currency?
Does Trump and his buddy Clarkslaw?
Do you know about the digital currency?
Christy, Noam was the first to do that.
Well, good for her, all right.
Maybe she can be vice president.
I think Christy Nome would be a great pick for vice president for Ron DeSantis.
But Ron DeSantis has been fighting me.
Oh, she's taller than he is.
He'll never pick her.
he can get six-inch boots next time
my wife
everybody in Marlago knows one
Casey is never
Casey is never going to allow a woman
to try to exercise that kind of control over her husband
because we all know that she's wearing the pants
in this whole campaign situation
You want to allow him.
He really.
this bothers you so much,
doesn't it?
Let's not talk about paying you now.
These little victories, these actually huge victories from DeSantis,
it drives the Trump people crazy.
And guess what?
I was with Laura.
What victory?
His toll numbers drop every single day.
Laura,
Laura has a culture of losing.
Laura, we fought against these mandates together.
Okay, you didn't come to my rally where we stormed the beach because I think you were afraid that we would get arrested.
I think you were afraid that we would get arrested.
I told you I could go back in my text messages.
I had a prior engagement that day.
I'm not afraid of getting arrested, Chris.
I've been arrested three times.
Like, I literally got arrested for putting illegal aliens on the Speaker of the House's home.
Do you think I'm scared of some...
And Laura, guess what?
You say, oh, some people say they inspire me.
Laura, you did inspire me.
And let me tell you, when you actually put your mind to it, I tell people, you do not want Laura Lumer on your set.
She is the best investigative reporter I've ever seen.
But ever since you have just latched onto the Santa's thing, and he's...
Election integrity victories.
Look at the election integrity victories.
And you're cheering on a federal investigation.
Why election integrity?
I don't see it.
Until you suffer.
Until you suffer.
Because you're on.
Consenters.
You don't know.
You're bitter because you lost your election, Laura.
You're bitter over it.
I am pissed off because he allowed for big tech and big telecom to silence a viable candidate.
I was the Republican nominee in 2020, and I raised over $3 million,
and I outperformed rhino incumbents and a Democrat in Palm Beach that was in favor of lockdowns.
And he allowed for the big tech companies and Comcasts to ban my campaign.
And so, do you know what it's like to dedicate?
What should he have done?
Let it out, Laura. Let it out.
You know, I'm just so tired of people trying to minimize this.
You don't know what it's like to literally have your entire livelihood destroyed by the most powerful companies
and to have donors that have personal relationships with DeSantis go and have conversations with him about it.
And he says, I don't care.
But then he goes on TV and pretends like he cares when I'm the only person that it applied to you in the state of Florida.
So I'm on.
The only person is Trump do anything to get you on...
One second. Let's go to Max. Go ahead, Max. I've pinned what Laura was.
Laura sent me the evidence. I'll pin this. If anybody wants to see it, they can. Go ahead, Max.
Yeah, so does Sanders pass a law and then a liberal judge blocked the law?
What laws did Trump pass that would have helped you out, Laura?
It's not about that. Even if the judge would have, you're not listening.
And I've spoken out about this multiple times.
I was the only person who testified, it's on video so you can see it for yourself, who testified in front of the Florida House Appropriations Committee when they were drafting this legislation.
I raised $40,000 myself and hired a lobbyist because Governor DeSantis had the Florida Capitol lockdown and you couldn't meet with lawmakers unless you had a lobbyist.
So I had to hire this.
fancy lobbyists, okay, to go get meetings with these people so that I could help influence
this piece of legislation. I told them and my lawyers offered, okay, I paid for all the legal
fees and my lawyers even said, you know what, this is so important. We're willing to even
help you pro bono, the governor. We called them. We had all these meetings. We have emails to back it up
and prove it. And we said, hey, if you make this about Section 230, you're going to lose because
Section 230 is a federal law. You have to approach this from a public accommodation or civil
rights perspective. And they ignored that. They ignored that. And then they denied like,
knowing how could Desandis have done that he didn't do?
He could have actually spoken out about it.
I just wanted him to recognize it.
He could have actually, he could have actually during my campaigns spoken out about it.
No, he could have spoken out about it and condemned it.
It's not about me.
It's about the two million Floridians who have their name.
These Floridians were not able to have equal access and participation.
Laura,
you don't want to hear the truth.
You don't want to hear the truth.
Because if this was a Democrat,
you would be up in arms
if a Democrat governor did nothing
and there was only one candidate.
He did something.
No, he did.
He did it.
No, he didn't.
No, he did not.
It's going to the Supreme Court.
He passed a law that Laura's talking about.
There were Republican clubs
in my district who wrote him letters
and asked him to intervene because this was
election in our parents. What do you mean?
You know why I think you talked
both sides of your mouth? Do you know why
I think you talked out both sides of your mouth? Because
you attacked Daniel Weber for his
age saying he was too old to
run. But you're sitting defending
Trump. Yes, you did. And then Trump
that's quoted. I attacked him for me six.
That's quoted. I'll finish and then you could talk. I'll finish and then you could talk. And Trump is the same age. Trump's the same age. Is any too old to run? Is it too old to run also? No, because you're being dishonest. Again, you're being dishonest. Because you talk both sides of your mouth. One time it's good, one time it's good that no one comes to Florida. He's bad. I have the screenshots to prove it. I have the screenshots in.
campaign speeches. I'll put, I'll put them in the nest, and then I'd love to see you try to
refuse that too. I said it's not about his age. I ran for district in the oldest district in the
nation per capita. Okay, and I outperformed him in the largest retirement community in the country.
They voted for me over Webster. So you're trying to
accuse me of being some, you know, anti-elderly, anti-senior citizen person.
That's what's in the press, Laura.
That's what's in the fucking class because they lie about it.
Because they lie about me.
Because they lie about me.
They lie. They lie.
And you know what's really shameful is the fact that you want to defend the press when I had no access to social media during my campaign.
You know what it's like to not have access to social media and be attacked every single day?
You have $3 million, right? That's what you could use.
So you're dishonest, and this is why I will never support DeSantis.
You know, I'd rather see somebody like RFK get elected.
You're just honest.
You just said DeSantis is horrible because it's bringing people to Florida.
People are moving to Florida.
People are moving to Florida.
He's horrible.
People are moving here.
Genuous people I've ever seen in my life.
Okay, you will justify the censorship and the illegal election interference of somebody
simply because they support Donald Trump.
Shame on Trump.
Laura, Laura, DeSantis actually passed a law that would have helped you.
Trump did nothing.
He did nothing to help.
He did nothing to help me.
You mentioned section 230.
You mentioned that Trump, that section 230 is federal and so it wouldn't have applied to a Florida law.
Well, who was in charge of the federal government and did nothing for you.
They were the ones who they did this in 2021.
Donald Trump wasn't in the White House in 2021.
You don't know what you're talking about.
You were running in 2020.
I ran in 2020 and 2020.
I ran in 2020 and 2022.
DeSantis had an opportunity.
But in 2020, you were also banned.
Yes, and Donald Trump came out in support of me when I won my primary.
More than DeSantis was ever done for me.
He didn't, yes, he, he, what, he tweeted something nice about you.
This is just classic Trump, and I guess you just like theater because Trump tweeted something in support of you and then did nothing to get you unbanned.
And I guess that's just the theater that you like, but ultimately, Desantis passed a law and Trump did nothing to use Section 230, which, as you said, like that's the book.
The binding federal regulation.
Donald Trump, in his last, in his last year in office, encouraged lawmakers to repeal Section 230.
He did it.
And it was in the, it was in the, the National Defense Authorization Act, okay?
And he said he was going to veto it because it was going to, uh,
allow for the renaming of Confederate statues
and places that were named after Confederate soldiers.
And also, it did nothing to repeal Section 230.
So he said, I'm going to veto it unless these lawmakers,
one, include a section to repeal Section 230
for our national security,
and also eliminate funding to rename our historical Confederate name sites.
And lawmakers, including Daniel Webster, who with my rhino opponents,
voted against President Trump's wishes on the National Defense Authorization Act.
So you're just not going to beat me on the facts.
I'm much quicker than you, I'm much faster than you,
Wait, so you're saying that...
Older, too.
Older, because you don't like older if you're older, too.
Congratulations.
So what you're saying is that Trump pushed for something and it didn't pass.
And DeSantis pushed for something and it did pass, but it got blocked.
Donald Trump encouraged lawmakers.
Donald Trump encouraged lawmakers.
Yes.
to to revise the National Defense Authorization Act
and said that he would veto it unless it had a repeal of Section 230, okay?
More talk.
More talk, no action.
More talk for Donald.
He also created.
He also created an executive order to try to take on big tech.
And look, I criticized President Trump for this in my book.
I said that I think that one of his bigger mistakes was not addressing big tech tyranny from the beginning when it first started to appear in our country in 2017, 2016.
I think that this is an issue that should have been addressed much earlier.
But for...
Laura, can I ask you a question, Laura?
Can I ask you a question, Laura?
Let me finish the sentence.
But for DeSantis to go on TV and say, no candidate in the state of Florida, no candidate in the state of Florida is deplatformed.
Yeah, okay.
That was so disrespectful.
And it, like, affected me on such a visceral level.
I will dedicate the rest of my life that Desantis decides to run for office to destroying him and campaigning against him.
Laura, let me, let me inject this one thing real quick.
You're going to put principles before personalities.
You're just making this all about you, Laura.
And let me ask you this, Laura.
It's not about me.
It's not about me.
Guys, can we move on?
You've got a personal drug, Laura.
Chris.
Let me ask you a question, Laura.
Can I ask her a question?
You can't, but let's hope it's not about her.
Let me ask you a question.
And I'm sorry if I'm yelling.
I ate a whole thing of nerds
and like the sugar is going straight to my head.
All right, Laura, when that, when DeSantis is
is big tech law that Governor Ronda Santis signed that would protect any candidate from being
the platform because as far as I know, Ron DeSantis is the only one that's taking any meaningful
action against this. When this law goes before the Supreme Court. Texas did it. Texas did it.
Texas did it. Okay, Texas did it good. But if when this goes to the Supreme Court and he gets a big win before the Supreme Court, will you be there to say thank you, Ron DeSantis, for fighting for candidates to be a Nazi platformed? And will you show a threat of gratitude?
He's not going to get a win in the Supreme Court because the Supreme Court.
Supreme Court has already addressed the issue of Section 230 and they did it in my lawsuit that was brought to them in 2018.
And so the fact of the matter is, is like I said, people have been addressing this issue long before Ron DeSantis came on his little, you know, horse with his God complex, pretending like he's the savior of every single issue in this country.
And also, um,
Like I just said, the Supreme Court, even just this week, had a Section 230 case.
So there's already precedence.
So he's absolutely not going to be a different.
He's not going to happen.
He's not going to happen.
As your lawyers tried to point out to you, Section 230 is not the DeSantis case because
230 is a federal regulation.
And the Desantis case is a state law.
Desantis's big tech invokes Section 230.
He screwed the entire legislation up by invoking Section 230.
I don't think you know what I don't read it.
Go read it. I wanted to ask if he pled for relief based on
230, then he invoked it. Read the complaint.
I wanted to clarify one thing before I go with,
Laura. Laura, if there are
two nominees...
in the general election. And just hypothetically speaking, the DeSantis is a Republican nominee and
Biden is a Democrat nominee. Are you saying that you will not vote for DeSantis and allow Biden
four more years in the White House? Yes or no?
I will show up on election day and I will bring a Sharpie with me and I will write Donald J. Trump, 2024 and big letters all over my...
So you will reelect you. You will reelect Joe, but I just wanted you to go on the record for that.
I'm putting it out on Twitter.
If you're on the record that you would allow four more years of Biden, thank you. I appreciate it.
I will never allow. I will never ever pass a vote for Lopter-Sand-a-San-Ber.
So can I ask actually, actually, before you go, let me, let me, so just on because I saw emoji, so let me do, let me ask this question for the panel. So let me start with the people who vote for Trump. Sure, go ahead. If you're a Trump voter and if DeSantis is a nominee, put a heart symbol that that means if DeSantis is the nominee, you would write in Trump. Please put a heart emoji if that's what you decide to do, if DeSantis is the nominee.
What sort of petty question is that?
No, I'm just, it's not petty.
It's legit.
But let me be clear to everybody.
Let me be clear to everybody.
I love this.
I love to say this.
I think he's the best man for the job.
But if Trump prevails and Trump wins the nomination, I will...
Vote for Trump. I will advocate for Trump because on Trump's worst days, a thousand times better than Biden.
And American cannot survive another four years of Biden. So I will vote for Trump if he's the nominee.
I just want to make sure I got this right. Laura's the only one that would write in Trump if dissent is the nominee. I just want to, I think that's a legitimate question.
Oh, my God. Did you not see all those millions of hearts right now?
I'm not the only one.
Oh, I was just looking at the speakers.
I'm sorry.
I was just looking.
I just wanted to think it.
So the Trump camp wants four more years of Biden.
I get it.
The Trump camp wants four more years of Biden unless they get their orange guy.
I get it.
It means that we want.
It's personal with them.
It's personal.
The term, the second term that was stolen from him.
And the fact that DeSantis supposed to acknowledge that makes me never want to support the
Santos ever.
I agree that Trump was stolen.
I agree the election was stolen.
It's funny too, Bill, that your buddy Ron DeSantis put his own children in MAGA
onesies and read them a Donald J. Trump book and his can't do that.
We all love Trump back then.
I love Trump.
I love Trump.
I love Trump.
I think that Trump, hey, listen, I will go on the record.
I will go on the, I will go on the record that Trump had the election stolen in 2020.
If there was no Trump, there would be no dissentists.
If Trump didn't support Trump, there would be no dissenters today.
So let's see.
Why does that matter?
You will never see.
It's about who's stronger in 2024.
Laura, I just wanted you to go on their record.
I just wanted Laura Trump, Laura, I just wanted Laura to go on the record for saying that she would rather have Biden be president for another four years than vote for to Sanis.
That's exactly what you said.
I want Donald Trump to be given the second term that was stolen from him and the first term.
term that was undermined in this
illegitimate coup carried out by the FBI.
I don't want Biden and I don't want
Desantis, but I will not, I will
you're like trying to use these crazy weird
manipulation tactics. I will never cast
a vote. And if you want to say, oh, well, she's a
Democrat operative or oh, look at her, she's
trying to support Biden. I'm not.
I'm just more right wing than you are.
Well, if Desanis, if
DeSantis is the nominee and you don't vote for
DeSanis and the only other guy in the race is Biden,
you're reelecting Biden.
I mean, I don't see where else
standing true to my principles
that I'm staying loyal to Donald Trump.
And your principles,
I'm loyal to America.
I'm not loyal to Trump.
I'm not loyal to Trump.
I'm not loyal to Trump.
I'm loyal to America.
I'm loyal to America.
I'm loyal to America.
Based on your conversation.
The only way we're getting out of this position is if Donald Trump gets back into the White House.
So by being loyal to Donald Trump, I'm being loyal to America.
So, Laura, based on your-
You're on the record.
Can we move on?
One second.
One second, guys.
Let me ask Bill.
Let me ask Bill a question because that same question can be asked for you, Bill, as well.
Essentially, it seems like there's a lot of people who spot Trump who are saying they're unwilling to vote if...
and the Santas is on the nomination.
Therefore, if you love America,
shouldn't you ensure Trump wins?
Because that way you will guarantee
that the Republican nominee builds.
That's the way to make sure they lose.
Trump's never going to win again.
He's going to get the election stolen from it again.
Then we're going to have to listen to four more years
with him cry on social media
about how life is so unfair.
Why wouldn't they take the election from Santis then?
Why would they take the election to Sanchez?
Because he's being owned by the same people.
He's a unit party member.
He's a corporate globalist who supports the war in Ukraine.
I think the fact is that Trump will see the big house a lot quicker than he'll see the White House.
Trump could end up in jail, guys.
And I get it.
That's what you and Nancy Pelosi have thought for six years.
He could. I mean, let's just look at this.
He's got a lot of time.
Your voice rising at the end.
But Brent, what you don't understand is even if he winds up in jail,
even if he winds up in jail, these people would still vote for him.
I know, I know.
But what I'm saying, let's see, hold on.
That's why I said, guys, let me, let me just real quick, Doc brought up a good point.
uh if the election was stolen why wouldn't it be stolen from desantis uh ron has really been
And his team, I haven't seen anything from the Trump campaign about how they're going to play the left at their game in the upcoming election.
Something good friend of mine, and he actually happens to be in this room, as Scott Presler has been talking about it.
If we don't play the left at their game in these swing states, we don't ballot harvest.
If we don't figure out a way to beat them at their game, it doesn't matter who is the nominee.
We're not going to win.
And Ron DeSantis' camp has talked about that more than Donald Trump's.
Yeah, but that's not true, though.
Totally, Brendan, because you can ballot harvest your way all the way to try to get it.
And I get it.
Scott Pressler scratches and claws for candidates that are not very popular.
And God bless him for doing it.
And please, Scott, keep up the efforts.
But the thing is, look at DeSantis and what he did here in Florida.
Scott just registered voters.
He doesn't represent candidates.
He just registered Republicans.
Everybody said.
Yeah, he has, when Ron DeSantis is smarter than these guys, and he knows how to operate within the system to beat it.
I don't know exactly how he's going to do it.
Right.
The deep state.
That's the system you're talking about.
Because he's part of the swamp.
And when we have him.
you're going to see in 24 with desantis at the top of the ticket you're going to see a and i hate
the word red wave but you're going to see exactly the kind of thing that you saw in florida in
22 that his i i urge for jacksonville in 2022 you need to get that was look like we already went over that
but this he wasn't even on the ticket this time but with him at the top of the ticket you had broward county
Get Republicans elected to the school board.
There were three open positions that no Republicans ran for on the county commission,
because everybody thinks only Democrats win.
Republicans, if we had put up this chair sitting in front of me
and registered it as a Republican and ran it against the Democrat,
it would have rode DeSantis' coattails in.
He's got the special...
factor about him and he can and if you put he's such a fan girl well i'm just telling you i've
watched this unfold and you can't deny this that there is that the hand of god is the
is on him in a lot of ways.
And him and his team,
they are going,
you're going to see,
and I hope you're recording this right now.
You put him at the top of the ticket.
You're going to see Republicans sweep in
across the entire country and,
And unfortunately, look, and I'll tell you, I was this excited about Trump.
I wasn't really excited about Trump at first.
But when he started really, when he had, Trump had God's anointing on him, too.
And I'm not comparing anybody to God or anything like that.
But I'll tell you, in 2016, Trump had that factor.
We can't deny it.
And he was just incredible to watch.
And his rallies were magical.
And by the way, that rally in Iowa, ugh.
He canceled that not because of the weather.
I can tell you that right now.
But too bad for the 300 people that showed up and got canceled on.
But hopefully they all went to see DeSantis, who was right now.
Oh, my God, dude.
You are literally such a show for DeSantis.
Like, seriously.
Like, do you hold his thing when he takes the freaking piss?
I was just talking about how great Trump was.
Hello?
Trump had a very special factor about it.
And Donald Trump was, I had a lot of hope for him.
I mean, like, seriously, though, when there's legitimate tornado warnings put out and you're going to sit here on a space of 7,000 people and call bullshit?
DeSantis was right down the road.
He trolled him.
And that was probably, you know.
He just drives a freaking bus.
Donald Trump owns a private plane because he's a billionaire.
He flies.
I know.
That's why he's so unrelatable in his golden palace where he makes everybody stand up and clap for him.
Every room he walks in.
He's all about him.
And unfortunately, he just doesn't have that factor anymore that you can't really put your finger on.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
He doesn't need putting his head anymore.
And.
And he's also launched an attack.
He's decided and he's chosen to launch a very discious and mean-spirited attack
against the man who is doing so much.
For the sake of freedom and everything Donald Trump claims to stand for, and he's winning at it.
DeSantis is winning at it.
So, Laura, can I...
And Trump is trying to tear down.
Can I just ask a question for Laura?
Laura, because I think this is an important point, just because you, I was just looking at the speakers and I picture you look out.
From your conversations that you have with, let's Trump voters, 100% Trump voters as yourself, I would assume you consider it.
If Trump is not the nominee, do you believe how, from your conversations with people of Trump's base, how profound is the sentiment that it's either Trump or nobody, basically?
Or, you know, from your perspective, how deep is that sentiment?
Richard Barris has numbers on that I can share after Laura speaks.
Yeah.
Oh, sorry.
Oh, please do.
And then maybe, maybe.
Sorry, I was off for about five minutes.
I had to take a phone call.
So I'm back now.
So what's the question is, how much of an estimate do I think of Trump's base wouldn't vote for DeSantis if he was the nominee?
Trump or nobody, basically, yes.
Over 30% of the GOP, of GOP registered voters are only Trump voters.
Does that match what you were going to say?
I'm not voting for DeSantis.
Over, I would say over 30%.
And so DeSantis will not win if that's the case.
Over 30%.
Not but Laura, Laura.
We'll cry and go, oh, I didn't get my nominee.
I'm not going to vote for anybody then.
Really 30%?
I don't think.
Chris, you need to stop screaming, bro.
Laura, let me just ask this question, Laura, then you come back on it.
I thought the MAGA base was 30%.
So if, I mean, out of that percentage, what percentage he's asking is won't vote at all?
No, the MAGA base is way more than 30%.
I'd say that 95% of GOP voters are MAGA voters.
So most Trump has the highest approval rating out of any Republican, both inside,
one is, sorry, the highest approval rating both inside the White House and outside,
out of any Republican president in United States history.
So 95% of the GOP voting base is pro-Trump.
I would say probably about 30% of those people.
Maybe it's even more.
But there was a poll that was conducted a couple months ago.
I'd have to go pull it up and see where it was.
But it was about 30%.
And it would be interesting how many of DeSantis voters are never Trumpers. I would be very interested
if anybody has that, if they can share that as well. Because I do know personally some DeSantis
voters who said I would never vote for Trump. I just don't know how widespread that is.
I mean, his advisors are all never Trump, his advisors and the people that are ruining this country
and propping up his campaign, people like Paul Ryan publicly said if Donald Trump is the nominee,
he won't be attending the RNC convention and he won't vote for him. He's an advisor. Why do you think
that Fox News is now the DeSantis News Network because DeSantis and
DeSantis is tied in with Paul Ryan who's on the board of Fox News
who's leaked text messages with Rupert Murdoch and the Dominion lawsuit
show him saying with Rupert Murdoch we need to make Trump a non-person
so yeah they are never Trumpers they said they want to make him a non-person
what are you talking about like the people his supporters are all never-trakers
That is the St. Paul Ryan and Trump said Trump compared to fine wine.
Are active trying to de-platform him.
Read the Dominion documents.
I know he's such a victim.
He's such a victim, Laura.
He is a victim.
Oh, oh, great.
See how it works?
Maybe you should cry about it a little bit.
You want to attack me and tell me, you want to attack me and tell me how bad I am because I don't want to vote for Desantis.
But then when I show you that the assholes in your own camp are doing the same thing to Trump, you say I'm a victim.
You're not pretty cool.
Wait a minute.
You're saying Paul Ryan's in DeSantis' camp.
He's not.
He is in the camp.
Yes, he is.
He is.
Paul Ryan, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was Trump that kept saying Paul Ryan is like a fine wine.
Oh, no.
I just told you.
I told you that Paul Ryan did an interview about a month and a half ago, and you can pull it up and see it for yourself, where he said, if Donald Trump is the nominee, I will not be going to the RNC convention and won't be voting for him.
And then he said if the same breath, it was going to endorse the champions.
I don't know what Paul Ryan does.
He's going to endorse the standards.
Nobody cares about Paul Ryan. Paul Ryan is completely irrelevant, okay?
No, he's not.
Whatever he's doing as a music director at Fox News.
He's canceling people at Fox News and trying to brainwash Republican voters and boomer votes.
By your Tucker.
They got rid of Tucker.
Talk about it.
We're probably because of talking about the vaccine and probably because of the Dominion thing.
It's another casualty of Donald Trump.
And let's talk about this.
Donald Trump has a long list of casualties behind him.
He's got people, friends of mine, that are going to jail for 20 years for literally trying to overthrow the government because of him.
What?
He's the one that ramped everybody.
I've never heard you in one, Jay.
He's ramped everybody on the line.
Go to the capital.
You've never been in one J6 face.
I just, I can't believe you just said that.
I can't believe you actually just accused them of trying to overthrow the government.
I did not.
I did not.
They didn't try to overthrow the government, but Donald Trump ramped them up and sent them into a trap.
And then he washed his hands of them.
He watched his hands.
He said he passed.
Trump went there to give a speech where people were peacefully protesting.
And it's already been completely documented that it was a fed direction.
Watch that speech.
It's up on his Twitter.
Watch that speech.
He throws them right under the bus.
He talks about the violent months.
You know, right now, listening is Eric.
It's a joke now.
You're embarrassing.
You're embarrassing.
He's right.
Right. Too many people are talking. Phina, I'm going.
Okay. Well, the first thing I wanted to say real quickly, and I'll make it fast, is that we had about an hour of a conversation where we totally misquoted President Trump.
He actually never said that he thought that the six-week abortion limit was too harsh.
He was specifically asked what he thought about Ron DeSantis and signing that legislation. And he said, well, I guess Ron had to do what he had to do. And then...
what he said specifically was, but there are many people in the pro-life movement who feel that six weeks is too harsh.
That's specifically what he said.
And there are many people because they think that there's no way to win a general with that...
stance. And so it has been totally misquoted. That's the actual quote, quoted by many news
stations, but for whatever reason, the headlines are saying different. And it's true. It's
impossible to win a general with a stance like that. That's why President Trump has always said
that his personal stance, he's pro-life. He himself, however, believes in in
in like if it's the life of a mother or for incest or rape.
He said that specifically,
but that it's not his job to set the moral stance on that for the country.
So if a governor's constituents want six weeks,
they want zero weeks, they want 12 weeks,
each state should handle that differently.
But the president of the United States should leave it up to the states.
And it doesn't matter what somebody's personal,
what a president's personal stance is.
It matters how he...
how he leads the country and allows the states to do what they want.
Also, with regard to January...
Does not make dissentis more pro-life though, then?
No, no, because Trump's...
Well, I don't know if DeSantis doesn't believe in life of mother and rake,
then that would make him to the right of Trump.
But Trump believes...
Or maybe even...
Trump is...
Trump is...
So let's say hypothetically speak for you now.
because we don't know Trump's exact stance because he's not said it.
He was, he wasn't willing to answer it.
He specifically said that he was for the life of a mother, but he's not going, look, it would be,
go ahead.
No, no, not just life of the mother, because six weeks hasn't got nothing to do with the life of the mother.
That's the life of the fetus.
So essentially, when DeSantis says six weeks, he means that you can basically terminate the baby up to six weeks.
Let's say Trump.
goes for 15 weeks or 20 weeks, that means that makes DeSantis more pro-life.
No, because DeSantis signed that because that's what the state legislature in Florida wanted.
He didn't say that, hey, guys, I want six weeks, boom, let's do it.
That's dumb to attribute, not for you, but that's ridiculous when the media attributes that as DeSantis' stance.
DeSantis signed six weeks because the state legislature wanted six weeks.
What is he supposed to do?
Beto it and say, sorry, guys, I'm the king, you can't have that?
So that's exactly what Trump is saying, that let the people decide.
And before, if it was at the federal level, nobody had any choices.
And what's worse is that the federal government, if it's in the wrong hands, could have made it to where no one had a chance to protect life.
So it is absolutely wrong that Ron DeSantis is a strict six-week believer.
That's not the case. He signed what the state legislature voted for. And that was his job. His job isn't to veto what the people want.
Does that make sense?
Chris?
Yeah, it does make sense.
I really enjoyed this space, but I'm going to have to hop off.
I might be able to come back on in like an hour and a half,
but I have to go do real life responsibilities now.
I wish we could all just debate Ron DeSantis and Trump all day on Twitter,
but unfortunately, you know.
That's what you do all day, Laura.
Thank you for me.
Appreciate it, Laura.
Yeah.
I was trying to be funny, Chris, and make a joke, but it went right over there.
All right, all right.
Okay, well, you can still be funny, Laura, because you know what?
I kind of miss my friends a little bit, to be honest with you.
Look, I don't hate you.
I went to your wedding, Chris, okay?
We just get so heated because you decided to go to the dark side, and I'm still with Trump.
Oh, really?
Really, the dark side.
All right, Laura.
Well, I'm glad you, Chris.
Well, yeah.
Well, Chris, from the dark side, what's your thought from?
At the end of the day, it's good that we're having these conversations, and I enjoy these spirited spaces, but I'll probably be back on later.
I want to thank Laura for her amazing journalism with the C-E-I-R meeting.
I think we all need to really appreciate that.
That's a huge bipartisan issue, and you're really appreciated for that, Laura.
Yeah, that was so cool.
You got Elon Musk to respond to you, Laura.
That was awesome.
Why do you have to like taunt her everything like this thing that she says?
I'm not taunting her.
He's not.
He's crazy.
But yeah, Laura, thanks for coming anywhere.
Yeah, and I'll, uh, if you guys are on later tonight, because I know these tend to go on for like eight hours, I'll hop back on.
I just have to go take care of something right now for a couple hours.
Yeah, yeah, if we're still running, yeah, come back anytime.
All right, thank you.
Um, um, let's go to Shukri, Shukri, you had some thoughts?
Yeah, hi, great space. Very interesting points everyone has made, but let's not forget about the facts. You know, never in the two and a half centuries of our nation's history has one person, you know, concurrently dominated and overshadowed both major political parties.
as does President Trump.
You know, his stature in the party is such that virtually every Republican candidate for federal office seeks his appropriation and endorsement.
I mean, despite supposedly losing in the 2020, his hold on sizable segment of the Republican base is, you know, unparalleled.
Right.
in the history of the Republican Party.
And just for good measures,
despite the enthusiasm for dissentists
from the Murdoch-owned so-called conservative outlets
following his re-election this past November,
Trump received 5.6 million votes in Florida,
another record for any presidential candidate,
which was over, what, 1.1 million more votes
than the sentence received?
in his recent elections.
And I will land with this.
Perhaps most telling is that Trump leads the sentence
in the state where he's most popular in Florida
by comfortable margins.
This is in addition to Trump already securing endorsements
from a majority of Florida today.
Florida's Republic members of Congress.
So the question is, can Trump win, you know, the nomination?
As it stands for all the national polls,
Trump can easily win the Republican nomination for president.
Simply put, I mean, it is correct.
Simply put, the candidate.
Okay, I'll let you have that.
Okay.
Simply put, the candidate who generates the most enthusiasm within the party's base is obviously the candidate with the best chance to win the presidency.
And, you know, despite the new establishment,
pro to talking points, I would actually make the case that a perfect storm is peruiting in Trump's favor,
perhaps even greater than the 2016 and 2020 when he received 6,2 million, and then 74 million votes respectfully.
But of course, you know, the sidelines the obvious threat of massive voter from.
So, yeah, I'll rather than that.
Why do you disagree?
Because this is very surface level
like analysis.
The fact that he's in Florida,
Florida doesn't really matter to this election.
It's Arizona, Michigan, Nevada,
North Carolina, Pennsylvania,
and one other one, which I'm not remembering at the moment.
Those are the states that matter.
That's what Republicans are going to look at
because those are the ones they need to overturn.
And DeSantis leads Trump in all of them.
Florida matters every presidential election, and it should matter for Governor DeSantis in this case since he's losing most votes to Trump.
Again, it's very superficial here.
It's very level. That's not the states that matter the most level. You're saying that someone who you're letting statistical polls a year and a half out and you're making that accusation?
uh regarding a general this was done this was done this was done this month the santis has even
started yet he has double the money trump does money money money matters no joe so remember
he's screwed up he screwed up when he said nothing about brags uh inditing him right they they they
Garland went to his home in Florida.
You're saying he's less probably.
Your info was faulty.
Your info is faulty, Doc.
No, it's not.
Yes, it is because you're saying he's more popular,
but DeSantis rose more money.
Trump is the only Republican since 2000.
Of course, because he's being brought off.
He's for sale.
Trump is the only Republican since 2004 to ruin a general.
Bush gave us Clinton.
So those types of politics just lost the Republican Party.
Romney gave us Obama.
And then people overwhelmingly crossed over to vote for Trump.
He is the only person that has done that in decades.
He's the only one who has won a general since 2004.
And with the policies now, with geopolitically and our currency,
people are crossing over like crazy.
And he's up in every poll except for the POS poll, which is, you know, that's a paid-for poll.
Yeah.
Look, nefarious forces understand that the Center 2024 candidacy can disrupt and disorient the fervent Trump base.
This is all a distraction, but bottom line is that the Center is no match for Trump and his current constituencies in
Florida are unhappy with him.
He solely abandoned them.
And America needs a president who will take immediate action to decimate the corrupt and ineffective
government departments and agencies that we have.
And President Trump has proved that no matter what you say, this is not the census time.
And, you know, the evidence will show that President Trump will win this nomination.
Right.
So do you guys think that DeSenta is an establishment figure or do you think he represents America first?
Like where do you think he falls within that place?
No, he's a 100% established.
Personally, I think DeCenta is establishment.
I believe that wholeheartedly.
Agreed.
The efforts that he has, the efforts that he has made in Florida and the changes he has made in Florida was not very sincere to the people.
They were all for, you know, agenda building leading up to presidential candidacy.
You know, and dis-
Yeah, I think when you look at the fact,
let me just point out one thing,
and I know I've brought this up on previous spaces,
but when you look at the fact that of all of the people
all across the country that President Trump endorsed,
Ron DeSantis was one of the only ones that went above and beyond in his own campaign ads to say,
look at me, look at me, look at me.
I'm so much like Trump.
I'm pro-Trump.
He called himself verbatim a pit bull Trump defender.
That was literally the lower third graphic on his campaign ad as he stuck his own children in MAGA onesies and read them a Trump book.
That same...
man that went above and beyond to try to sell to Trump's voters that I am so much like Trump
and I will so much defend Trump turned around and stabbed him in the back.
Not only that, as the governor of Florida.
When Donald Trump's private residence was raided by the FBI that we're now seeing is the most corrupt, disgusting, politically weaponized organization in this country, when they raided his home, the governor of Florida that labeled himself a
pit bull Trump defender did absolutely nothing to investigate that unconstitutional raid in those people
that stormed his property. So as far as I'm concerned, DeSantis is the establishment. And absolutely
not will I ever vote for him, even if he...
It like manages to steal the Republican nomination.
As far as I'm-
But Heather, do you think when you say he's the establishment?
Can I go one step further?
Because maybe there's not a difference for you,
but just for the audience.
Do you believe he's the establishment,
meaning he's the swap?
Or is there two separate things?
You think he's part of the swamp, DeSantis?
Absolutely. I do. I think I think DeSantis is a political opportunist. He's one of those people that he licks his finger, sticks it in the air in whichever way the wind's blowing, that's where he's going.
So I think, so I here, let me say this real quick, if you don't mind. So one of the things that was brought up several times in my DMs, and I know specifically that people want to talk about this. So one of the things that's bothered me about Ron DeSantis was his silence on the people of January 6th.
who actually didn't do anything wrong.
And I would say to Trump in that last town hall came out and said,
listen, anybody that is, in my opinion, wrongfully imprisoned,
has not given due process and they were not violent,
that they did not commit any criminal acts should be let go.
So Ronda Santos is zero on this topic,
and he has some of his own constituents in Florida and has said nothing about it.
Right.
and Trump has at least addressed it and then made what he said he's going to do moving forward.
And I think that that's something that's getting missed here.
And so if you had to ask me, all sources, if I thought that Rhonda Sanchez's establishment,
I'm going to say that he's going to go where the money goes.
And I think that he's going to go where he believes his popularity within the D.C. Beltway will go,
not necessarily where the rest of the country will take him.
So I don't think this is completely establishment right now.
I know the arguments can be made.
I'm sure I'll take him that.
He is the trash, isn't he?
Okay, to trash his point.
Yeah, so, but I think he would be if he got to D.C. is my point.
Go ahead, Shukri.
Yeah, to Trash's point, I very much believe that DeSenta is an opportunist, and he's definitely going to go where his notoriety leads him to.
And if he was really sincere about the base, the voter base, and sincere about...
an alliance or, you know, an ally to President Trump,
what he should have done is think about the voter base
and think about what this man, President Trump,
has been through and he should have thrown his back
behind President Trump this election.
And we as a voter base would have supported him in turn
when 2028 comes.
But he can't do that because he's not sincere.
He's power hungry.
And truly, you know, when I was watching the COVID lockdowns and, you know, COVID fascism,
I mean, he talks so much about Florida people.
And it was like, look at me, look at me what I'm doing.
He didn't talk for the American people.
He did not do that.
He didn't talk for me.
He didn't talk for you.
He simply talked for Floridans.
And for someone to leave this country and the American people,
and if he had that intent, he should have spoken for the American people collectively.
Yeah. And I'm going to add on to that and say that once you see what, like, President Trump has went through, when you realize that right now, we're not just having your normal, like, election. We're in a time of war. We're in an information war. We're in a, like, a point in time where our own.
like our systems of quote unquote justice are now being weaponized and used on the American people.
And the one person who has taken more arrows in his back whose family has been run through the mud more than anybody else in this country is President Trump.
And when you have that fundamental realization.
of really what our country is up against right now,
you have the utmost respect for Donald Trump.
And when somebody like Ron DeSantis
can turn around and burn that bridge
and stab that man in the back
after everything him and his family have been through,
for me, that's like, it's like going AWOL mid-war.
I mean, this is not the time or the place
to sit there and abandon ship
when we're sitting here where we have, you know...
FBI whistleblowers testifying before Congress about the most atrocious things that have been
happening within our own government. And this man's going to turn around and stab President Trump
in the back when he's been basically the commander in chief leading us through this war.
I mean, now is not the time to abandon ship. And that's the way a lot of us
people that are backing Trump feel right now.
And once you come to this realization of where our country's at,
there is no abandoning Trump at this point.
And we need to finish this, finish what we started
because we're in war right now.
And you don't walk back at this point in time.
Can I ask you a question?
Fine. This is.
Fianon.
Sorry, go ahead.
I don't want to talk over anybody.
Yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, because we're kind of going back and forth in the comments.
And I just want to have a civil discourse.
Are yeah, about the CBDCs.
No, no, about the CBDC.
I don't think we're going to agree on the lockdowns.
He, I believe he recommended it.
You're saying he didn't recommend it.
No, the national security state and the medical.
Yes, and he's the leader of the country.
He's the one that needs to give the okay.
Right, no.
He didn't give the okay.
Biden created mandates, but President Trump prevented us from having mandates.
President Trump couldn't say, American people,
I'm not going to announce to you what the national security state and medical agencies
are recommending under this uncertain time.
He had a responsibility to relay that.
And so he chose federalism and give it to the state.
But he could choose not to as well.
He cannot choose to not relay information that the national security and health agencies are recommending in an unprecedented situation.
Yes, he can.
That would be a trick bag.
You want a dictator?
Here, let's let's let's let's argue this till we're blue in the face.
So, Phenon, we argued this until we're blue in the face.
He's not for CBDCC, so you never said that.
He's specifically.
Yes, he is.
He's not.
I just posted for you where he's not.
He specifically said that energy independent...
He was for weakening the dollar.
He was for a weakening the dollar six years ago, which I warn people,
we'll call superinflation and de-dollarization.
And I posted the video of him...
I posted the video of him saying we need a weaker dollar.
And he said in a multiple interviews.
You're misconstruing and this is crazy.
But you know something I do want to say really quick?
Is one thing that the, that the fantasies...
I didn't want to ask the question to you that you don't want to answer.
I already just answered it.
No, I didn't even finish the question.
How can you answer it?
Joe, I answered it to you, and I posted it for you,
and I don't want to just waste my chance to talk with what you want to talk about.
You've been talking over everyone.
But I didn't even finish the question, Phenom.
I didn't finish the question.
You're free to answer.
All I want to know is about the CBDCs.
A lot of people say Trump is for freedom.
He has come out in favor of CBDCs.
No, he hasn't.
Yes, he has.
No, he has not.
Put it in the nest.
I already did put it in the nest.
I'll put it again.
That is nothing about CBDCs.
That is absolutely not.
Yes, it does. Biden and Trump are for CBDCs. Both of them are. That's why I'm against both of them.
So everyone on the space, everyone on the space who always accused me, oh, you're left. No, I hate both of them because
CBDCs is the number one issue for me, is that we'll take away the most freedom for people. Absolutely. And Trump has been
Specifically, even Tucker Carlson and Charlie Kirk talked about it.
He said very specifically that we need to go back to energy independence because of what is happening to the dollar.
You are not being honest, Joa, but something that I'm going to say next is one in the nest.
Yes, it's in the nest.
That is nothing about CBDCs, that article that you posted.
Nothing.
Oh, my.
It's just not.
People, please go read it.
Apparently, these people are delusional.
Anyway, this is just trying to deflect from what I'm about to say, and I'll make it
quickly and I appreciate the time.
So Ron DeSantis, because he doesn't have very strong foreign policy experience, very strong
economic experience, he is using the culture war to deflect.
But what's interesting about that is every aspect of what DeSantis is doing on the
culture war, President Trump did first.
President Trump was first to reverse Obama's rule.
that allowed transgender students to use bathrooms of the opposite sex in school.
What does this have to do with CBDCs phenomenon?
And you're talking about me deflecting?
You're not answering the question.
Can you please meet them?
You're deflecting.
Joa, Joa, she's literally making her points.
Yeah, just please.
She's deflecting from the question.
I'm not done.
I already answered about the CBDC.
No, she didn't.
She said your article.
She made her argument. Your article, she claims, doesn't say anything about the CV, whatever sees.
Okay, now she's moving on her point.
So let her talk.
You know, I'll hold a whole different space for you on Trump and his view on currency. I'm happy to do that.
Okay, so first, President Trump did that with the bathrooms.
I just explained.
I mean, no, Phenon, just to be clear, like, obviously, I'm going to let you finish.
But the point of this space was we were going to talk about a number of issues.
One of them was CBDCs and I made my point exactly clear.
Trump.
Yeah, yeah, that's fine. Go ahead.
No, the only point you made is that he never said.
But it's in the article that he said.
That is not what that article is about.
Please have somebody explain that article to you.
It is not about that, Joa.
So can I please continue?
Okay, well, the article's in the nest.
They both dispute it.
Anybody that wants an answer can go read for themselves.
Now, let her make her point.
Thanks, Heather.
I appreciate that.
Okay, so Trump was also the first to ban CRT, federally.
which includes any federally funded agency or anyone that did any contract work.
Also banned any DEI, so any diversity training, any sexuality training, any gender training
from all federal agencies, federal departments, and anyone who did any type of work with them, any contract work.
He also was the first to institute the 1776 commission to have more civics education in schools.
I think we are going to.
Just on what you're saying, that is going to be the next space,
the next space we do on Descentes and Trump is going to be the number of issues
that they're going to talk about.
Okay, well, I'll write you down.
I would like to say.
Trump restricted ESG before anyone was talking about ESG.
And so all those culture issues, really, DeSantis just hasn't had really any of his own policies.
Those are like MAGA policies that he's instituted.
So thank you.
Thank you.
Thanks for that. We are about to wrap up, but Jack, I've not heard from you, so I'd like to hear your final thoughts before we do wrap up. Go ahead.
Yes, sir. Thank you. Thank you, everyone, for the opportunity to speak here. So coming from Illinois...
I'll tell you, I mean, we have the Illinois Rino Republican Party here that's going to back DeSantis,
but I'll tell you most of Illinois geographically, at least, is behind President Trump because most of Illinois is red.
Now, the reason why I said all that is I think DeSantis is a great governor.
I think President Trump, obviously, I've been a big supporter of his policies and how he's steered us through a tricky, you know, mind-laden times, especially with the pandemic.
what I want to say is that DeSantis is realistically the backup plan for President Trump for all of us as Republicans, the conservatives.
Right.
And you may disagree.
And listen, we can't have the ideal candidate all time, but he is, at least from my viewpoint here in Illinois, the backup plan in case they...
put President Trump in jail.
And whoever said that,
that's right.
I mean,
they're doing everything they can
because they're definitely afraid
of President Trump's second term.
And I,
you know,
I would love to see President Trump in
because he's got a clean house.
However,
we also do know that,
You know, the left is very powerful.
You have a lot of Rino-Republican parties throughout the United States that we have yet to deal with that are going to be beholden to establishment.
And I don't think that Ron DeSantis is establishment or not.
I mean, convictions not there to think he is.
Right.
But what I do think is we're going to see that Ron DeSantis, if President Trump gets in more trouble and it's unrecoverable, is our backup plan.
And we have to be mindful of that, though I fully support President Trump, and I am on record saying that.
So that's the two cents I just wanted to give to this space from Illinois.
Thank you, everyone.
Appreciate that.
And I'm going to say that if the system becomes so corrupt that they go against President Trump
and make it preventable for him to freaking run, then at that point, I think we revert back to the Declaration of Independence,
where it says that when the government becomes so corrupt.
We hear somebody else, honestly, this stuff that we're at war and blah, blah, blah, it's come on.
You know, what is the primary, okay?
We're not at war.
Chris.
This is just the primary.
All right.
All right.
I'm sorry about Chris,
you're dead weight in a war.
Nobody wants you on their side anyway.
So just take a seat, bud.
This is better than W.WF. I mean, I love it.
Look, seriously, does anybody really want Chris on their team in a war?
Like, raise your hand if you want Chris on your team in the middle of a freaking war.
Please.
We're not in a war, darling.
We're not in a war.
You can have him.
You do a primary election.
Donald Trump is not owed.
You're deadweight, Chris.
He's not...
You're doing, Chris.
We are...
We are...
He's not...
There's only one...
...told anything.
There's only one party.
Toxic...
Okay, guys, you're all screaming.
I get it.
There's a war going on.
Let Heather go for a point.
Finish your point, Heather.
My final point is that toxic masculinity
is men like Chris that can't win or fight wars.
Ah, ha, ha.
Toxic.
Really?
Really toxic.
You're going to go there.
Masculinity is toxic to you, Heather.
Yeah.
That's what you don't like about Manhattan.
You don't like cowboy boots and you don't like the stances.
I mean, respectfully, masculine men do not talk to women the way you talk to women.
That's not masculine at all.
You laugh masculinity.
Okay.
Guys, everyone's getting too emotional.
Right.
That nasty, nasty woman.
Do you remember that quote?
The nasty, nasty, nasty woman.
And you're saying they don't talk to women like that?
Listen, Chris.
We are at war.
We are at war.
We are at war.
We are at war.
And there's...
What is that you're at war is not being nasty.
He's just being in the chair.
And I've got to go, but here, I'm not trying to be nasty to anybody.
Okay, but here's the thing, okay?
This whole thing gets blown out of proportion.
That Donald Trump is owed this, that he's the only one who can fix this.
He had four years, and the deep state kicked his ass.
Now we need somebody to know.
Wait a minute.
You're admitting that the system is corrupt.
You're admitting that the system is corrupt.
That's a deep state.
Wait a minute, Chris.
I listened to you guys talk for like an hour.
No, no, no, no, no.
Don't add me to the, don't add me to the punch.
Can I talk without a woman talking over me?
No, listen.
Look, we need somebody who can work within the system to dismantle these things and run the guy who's proven that he can go in.
He's got win after win on immigration, on reigning in these local governments, on defeating COVID mandates.
He's got win after win.
No, he has not.
He's got a red budget.
Okay, Chris, we just admitted it.
We need to end this culture of losing on our side, and we need to get with the winners.
There's a phrase.
Get with the winner.
And we got a winner.
And being a congressman to run for governor.
Guys, guys, I know it's three women that you call a one man, but just one woman at a time, please.
Don't bully my boy, Chris.
Which woman wants to go first?
All right, I'm going to go, guys.
I would like to see that woman.
Chris.
Chris.
You probably are that man who would leave his wife, his older wife, as she ages for a hot, shining young woman.
I mean, seriously, you are literally, that's what you're doing.
I mean, that's really what you're doing.
Chris has left the building. Chris has left the building.
You three did a tag team on him as a triple team.
But anyway, guys...
It wasn't intended to be that way, so, Amani.
Okay, I was just literally trying...
I was just trying to make a point that, you know what?
Like, we need masculine men right now to step up and not be afraid to defend our nation.
But no, no, here's the thing is the people...
The people like him, though, that criticize Trump, they don't realize the actual dark side of fighting a war.
They want this easy, peasy, lemon, squeezy election where they don't want to admit that there's this evil, sinister part of society that's going to rig elections, that's going to murder people, that's going to blackmail people, that's going to bribe people.
Politics is a very dirty business.
And you have to accept the good and the bad.
You can't just be like, okay, we're going to run for office.
And if we lose, we're just going to bow down with our tail between our legs and admit there was no cheating, even if there was.
Right.
So people like him are a coward and they're afraid to call fraud and call out corruption to its face.
And that's what President Trump does is he calls out the fraud.
He calls out the corruption.
He says it to their face and he's not afraid to do it.
He violates women in the dressing room.
He pays off porn stars.
That's an awesome man.
I have the numbers.
He grabs them by the Gentiles.
Well, hey, we had a president that got his thing.
in the White House.
Regardless of all that, I have the numbers if you want to hear them,
if who's going to stay home if it was DeSantis.
Do you guys want to hear it?
This is from Rich Beres, who the People's Pundit,
very respected pollster.
It's between 8 to 13 million people will stay Republican or just voters
will stay home if it's DeSantis.
Would you like that in the nest?
And that's exactly what happened in Jacksonville's mayoral,
you know,
election.
he was not there for it.
Well,
and people,
Republican voters did not come out to vote for the rhino they put up.
Well,
not only that,
right?
Is it what state that's in?
Yeah.
Guys, what's happened to all the dissantis'all?
These Trump girls have just tag teamed them and knocked them out of the test.
Because DeSantis is a beta male and he's got beta supporters so they can't even stack up to a bunch of girls.
He has to learn to grab them by the pussy.
Then he'll be a manning man.
Let.
Left equals consent, Joa.
I mean, he's,
Joe, have you ever been to a rock concert where women are literally showing their boobs
and throwing their panties at the man on stage?
Obviously not, okay?
Like Trump made a valid point.
When you have money, fame, and power, there's a general population of the female, you know,
like women that throw themselves at men like that.
Unfortunately, I particularly am not one of them.
I'm not beholden to money, fame, or power myself.
But if that was true, Heather, if that was true, would you need to pay a porn store?
I'm just curious.
They took a picture at a golf tournament.
If they throw themselves, do they need to pay for it also?
I'm confused.
Or sexually assault another woman at Berdorf and Goodland?
Yeah, in a dressing room.
That was from an episode of Law and Order.
But regardless, it's 8 to 13 million people are going to stay home. I feel bad for DeSantis. He looks miserable. He's not good with people. He's good. He's like, who said it best? He's like a busy bee worker. He's got, you know, a bright red legislature who will just rubber stamp. He just signs what they pass. And it's good. We need governors like that who will just, you know, diligently work.
he's always he's never really been in the private sector he hasn't built any of his own wealth he hasn't
really managed people he went from being an attorney in the army to being a congressman he quit being
congress to run for governor then he's using half of his governorship running the shadow campaign he
won't even come out and just say it he's just not what we need right now and the country sees that
no matter how bad paul ryan fox news and establishment are dying to get bush
Cheney politics back in power,
the people just won't have it, no matter what...
But I'm not seeing now.
My God.
So the comments that people are making that we need to start winning again.
Frankly, I don't think the Santa supporters should be saying that
because, I mean, the Jeb Bush card is going to get played.
Like, guys, that's probably not something if you're DeSanta supporter you want to bring up.
That's not a winning ticket.
What's the Jed Bush card?
Oh, Jeff Bush is a loser.
He's a loser.
He tried to make one presidential bid, didn't get anywhere with it.
The reason that...
He's very low energy, Josh.
Very low energy.
Very low energy, indeed, Lev.
And, like, the other point is that...
This is my main concern with DeSantis.
If you're going to do well in Florida politics, you have got to latch on to the bushes.
It just is what it is in Florida politics.
And I don't think that I want that as a president in the United States anymore because I think we're just going back to war.
And that's what I don't want.
I don't want kids dying, man.
I'm tired of the kids dying.
Yeah, I'd like to ask a question about it.
The good thing for us.
If that's okay.
It's just a, I don't actually have an opinion either way, but there is a general, is it like a general dislike for the ladies that were kind of, I think someone called them a beta male.
Is there a general dislike or are there some specific points that like make people say that?
It's a genuine question.
So there's a lot of people that I know that are involved in Florida politics and that have been with Ron kind of behind the scenes, not on front of camera.
Sorry, go ahead.
We're about to end the space you see.
So if I just switch off, we're our ending in the space, guys.
Go ahead, Trush.
Yeah, yeah, no. So I was going to say, I know a lot of people that have actually spent some time with Ronda Santis, behind the scenes, right? Not in front of the cameras, not while campaigning. Just like at dinners, things like that. The guy is super, super low energy and that doesn't surprise me. And he's not very personable. And I'm not making personal attacks you. Like, this is just.
Trash is 100% right. I've spent a lot of time with Ronda Santis. He has no personality.
Yeah.
This, yeah, and that's what I've heard. And again, we, I mean, listen, I'm okay with a peacetime president of Aranda Santis and maybe he makes some good cultural war moves. That's fine. But to Heather's point, right now, I need a wartime consigniary, right? This is what we need in the executive. If we're going to, one of our biggest problems in this country is that we have a fourth branch of government that's not in the Constitution that seems to be running things. And a person that's passive that is a people pleaser is not going to fix that. Go ahead, someone.
Yeah, that's it.
anyway,
yeah,
thanks for wrapping that up,
Trash.
I appreciate it.
And everyone,
thanks guys for joining the space.
I expect with DeSantis now deciding to run, we're probably going to have many more spaces
and we will be going into the specific issues.
We will go into the joint issue about CBDC.
We will be talking about finance issue, about cultural issues.
We will be talking about their positions on abortion, the positions on bills, their positions
on economy.
So we will have dedicated spaces to them specific issues.
But yeah, thanks guys again for joining us.
And I'm sure DeSantis has going to have a lot of things coming out of the press very soon.
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