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DeSci Mic 🎙️ Knowledge & Education in DeSci
Recorded: June 12, 2024 Duration: 0:51:27Space Recording
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Thank you. Music Thank you. so Music Thank you. Music Thank you. This is a video of the video. Hey everyone. okay cool just i was just waiting for the music to stop um yeah welcome everyone to another episode
of uh dsai mike uh this week's uh focus is on uh knowledge and education within DSI.
We've got the PubLED official team joining us.
They're working on some exciting stuff that they'll share.
Also, you know, we'll be very excited to hear their viewpoints on knowledge and education within DSI in general.
Certainly a topic of interest of mine personally.
It used to be almost a lifetime ago in the education space myself.
And so, yeah, looking forward to a lively discussion.
As usual, joined by Aaron McGinnis, who's behind the DSI mic this week.
And yeah, Aaron, why don't you take it away?
Yeah, I'm Aaron McGinnis, and I look forward to this conversation this week on education in DSI.
education and I feel like there's some really nice work being done in this space right now
at kind of the forefront of knowledge.
The science sector.
Are you guys able to hear me?
For me, you're breaking up a little bit.
I don't know if it's happening for others too.
Yeah, we didn't catch any of that.
yeah we we didn't we didn't catch any of that um so anyway i'll until i guess
your kid actually gets sorted i'll
so um yeah uh so uh you know i have you as aitorHSR99.
Do you want to introduce yourself?
I don't know if you want to dox.
Yeah.
Can you hear me?
Can you hear me?
We can hear you, yes.
Oh, nice.
So, yeah.
Hello, everyone.
Hello, Mark.
Marek. Hello, Erin. First of of all thank you very much for inviting me here uh to to be part of this amazing space and uh yeah i can start by
introducing myself my name is vitor ribero i'm currently co-founder and cto of public
my background is technical and in research as during my master's
degree in electronic and computer engineering i dedicated a year and something uh doing research
on web3 and security uh and yeah basically that's what paved the way for a complete immersion in
web3 space i was already in web3 or at that time in crypto since 2019
uh initially as a mere investor and enthusiast enthusiast uh but yeah then i dedicated myself to
the space to the space i started building things actively participating in events and
forging a lot of connections in this community.
Unfortunately, we have an unforeseen event and I'm here alone.
But the other two co-founders, Sandra and Mohamed, will also give an excellent point of view in this conversation as they are professors and researchers with a lot of experience in these two domains.
Yeah, cool. Hopefully they'll be able to join us a little bit later.
We actually have sort of similar backgrounds. I also did computer and electrical engineering
some time ago. So great to meet another So like, maybe we can dive in there a
little bit more deeply. Apologies, I'm just recovering from a cold. Aaron's having connectivity
issues, and I'm having voice issues. But anyway, yeah, maybe we can hear a little bit more about,
you know, what part of your studies like inspired you to build PubLED and and maybe you can also talk about like you know the the
mission and goals of of Publed and and what you hope to accomplish there yeah so I think I can
start uh saying that at the beginning of uh of this project of Publet we started by implementing a solution for only for scientific publishing for researchers and
for researchers to basically publish their articles their scientific papers
and having them reviewed with pure peer review and all these these traditional
and all these traditional flow that we already know.
But then we had a lot of,
we participate in a lot of events,
in a lot of discussions with people from the area.
And we start to realizing that not only in research,
but also in education, there are a lot of problems
and they are very
very similar the problems and this challenge are very similar the problem with the
centralization and monopoly the problem with access barriers knowledge fragmentation all these kind of things are very similar in both fields and then we
start realizing that probably PubMed could also be a platform that could fit also for education
for mainly for people in the academia that at this time are students but they are hopefully the resources of tomorrow you know
and that's why we built we built Publet and Publet is basically a decentralized platform to enable
any kind of knowledge seekers students professors, individuals to basically aggregate, share, and monetize
educational and scientific knowledge artifacts. And yeah, basically, that's it. I don't know if
I touch in all your questions. Yeah, no, that really, really illustrative. You know, I appreciate the background.
So maybe you could elaborate a little bit more on what the connection is,
like what the strong tie is between, you know, science, research and education.
Like why is education also important?
Yeah, sure. research and and and education like why is education also important yeah yeah sure so yeah we often refer to science education together because we think that both form a dynamic and
a positive feedback loop that basically feeds into each other you know that education feeds on the
artifacts by science by disseminating them to students sparking the students curiosity
training them as i told you to to possibly be the resources of tomorrow and or or another side to
to be proficient in any kind of field and on the other hand science enriches education by providing
new discoveries new methodologies, equipping schools and especially
academia with good tools, with innovative tools to continue advancing this discovery of knowledge.
And we think that basically this reciprocal interaction is fundamental and is what effectively
generates knowledge, addresses some of these global challenge problems
and shapes the future of the society and the world in general.
And as I told you, unfortunately,
this connection also happens on the negative side
because there are several challenges and problems
in both fields that are totally counterproductive and against innovation. And, uh, that, that,
that's the same thing I mentioned before.
Right. Like, do you, do you see, you know,
as like scientists and like researchers, um, like,
do you believe we've got like sort of like a duty, uh,
and an obligation to sort of like create the next generation or help create the next generation of scientists and researchers?
How does PubLED help with that mission?
If so.
basically in public what you can do is uh you can have a decentralized platform where you can publish
any type of knowledge any type of artifact that you produce uh or in in research or in academia
uh you can do like a university work or something that you you you produce during your uh your
academic journey or you can work on on a research project and you
you will produce artifacts more than the scientific paper you will produce a lot of artifacts uh and
talking about our field one thing that that we we have in common and that we know, in computer science or all the computer fields,
in a research project, the paper or the scientific paper is not the most important artifact, you know.
You have the code, you have data sets, you have a lot of things related with this work more important most of the times more most important than
the scientific paper and basically in public you can publish all these artifacts,
segregate them in a knowledge object we call it a knowledge object and you can easily share it it is on blockchain is an NFT all these artifacts on an NFT
publishing in blockchain in decentralized storage as well and basically you can share you can
interact with other people they can comment they can put likes they can save as a bookmark, all these kind of social aspects to basically maintain and keep the community together and talking about knowledge and about these fields, you know?
a lot of the work done on like, you know, social graphs and knowledge graphs. And it sounds like,
you know, you sort of like tied tied those, you know, concepts together in quite an interesting
way. So, you know, like, I don't want to say that, you know, this, this group is like,
Ethereum maximalists, or like anything like this, like, I mean, people tend to, you know,
launch a lot of projects on Ethereum.
Like I noticed that, you know,
you've launched PubLED on Solana.
Like, you know, what was it about Solana
that, you know, attracted you guys?
Was it like, you know, the throughput or cheap fees
or like what was it like you know the the throughput or cheap fees or like what was it
yeah sorry that's a good question uh i i i will just uh do a small disclosure
because we are we are the the first and and and only dshai project in Solana at least at the best of our knowledge
and yeah basically we are leveraging the advantages and capabilities of this blockchain to to disrupt
this real-world use case and and basically the most important capabilities or advantages of this of this chain is the speed of transactions is the scalability
that it allows and also the low cost and transactions uh and we are we are also
leveraging compress nfts which is a Solana specific technology that basically allows you to meet a lot of nfts with a small price uh and yeah i i i don't want to
to enter here in the in the war of chains and these kind of things but at this time uh for our
use case and and thinking thinking into account the way that we build things uh we we think that solana is the is the
best chain at least uh at this time um yeah okay okay fair enough yeah we don't need to like you
know sort of turn this into like uh you know a discussion on chains i just i just noticed that
right and i was just very very curious as to you know given that so many applications in DSi are launching on Ethereum or Ethereum L2s and so forth.
So I appreciate your insights.
I noticed MuseMatrix, you've come up.
Thanks for joining the panel. I don't know if you have any responses to what the PubMed team has shared, or maybe you'd also care to talk about what MuseMatrix is building and how it relates to science and education.
Yeah, thank you for having me. Hope my sound quality is okay.
It's great. Awesome. Yeah, no, that was an interesting discussion and
definitely when you speak to any scientists and you ask them what's their main pain point,
publishing and education normally come up as the first one. So it's good to see so many different projects trying to tackle this in a variety of different ways.
I think it's going to be difficult to solve this publishing problem just because, you know,
if I get published in Nature, my career is pretty much done.
So trying to stop scientists or move them away to an alternate system is very difficult.
scientist or move them away to an alternate system is very difficult but something absolutely needed
and it's not even the publishing system that's a bit of a mess it's the entire education system
you know all the way from the from a PhD which I didn't do I didn't opt to do one because I just
thought it was ridiculous being paid a stipend
for three years when you're you're not a student you're you're a worker when you're a PhD but you
kind of get branded as a student so you get you know you kind of accept this lower wage and when
you look at all of science it's the PhD people that are doing the bulk of the work. So most of science is via these kind of young,
semi-experienced students, as they call it. And in my opinion, science is, you know, probably the most
Is it my connection or did we lose Muse Matrix?
Oh, no. Did you guys not catch some of that?
Yeah, I think
it just sounded like you kind of got cut off in the middle there
or maybe you finished your comments and I just
maybe
Maybe it was on my side, I don't know. know but yeah i can pause there if anyone wants to make
any comments on anything yeah i can i can maybe comment i also noticed um that um you know we've
got uh professor uh muhammad hassan who's who's who's joined the space we've invited him up uh
he's one of the guests um see if he's able to accept the invite. Okay, so I think it wasn't just me. I think you
got cut off there. So anyway, I want to respond a little bit to what you said about the whole
PhD process and all that stuff, right? Having sort of gone through it, right? It's sort of
my take on it. I agree. The pay is abysmal. And even like, you know, depending on where you are in the world, like I worked in London for a little while as a postdoc.
Like even the post PhD pay is abysmal.
But like, you know, my reflection on it is that, you know, you definitely still are a student.
Right. But you're like, you know, you're you're learning to become like a researcher, right, or an academic or like a professor or whatever.
So I think a lot of it is through the practice of discussing how like the incentive systems within science are sort of broken
in a lot of ways from, you know, peer review and negative results not being incentivized properly
to, you know, there being these like sort of career changing moments, example,
like would be the publication in Nature.
And, you know, I think it's like a long term hope of ours, right, as the DSI community
that, you know, we much like Bitcoin sort of like disrupted or is disrupting like money,
right, and value transfer.
I think it's our hope that you know the dsai
movement in the same way sort of like disrupts research in academia over time uh and i guess
we just have to to kind of maybe like let it unfold um professor muhammad uh you you've sort
of come up um did you have any uh comments or responses to what what what we were sort of discussing here so hello
everyone thanks for for the invitation um so while i i was enjoying listening i i i my apology i
i joined in the middle because i was stuck in another meeting but i i don't want to disrupt
the discussion until i follow up exactly what was the point i enjoyed what news matrix said about
it's not only about the
research and publication, it's in fact the whole education system as a problem. As someone who
my main career was mainly really in education in different angles and as a student, as a
PhD researcher, and then as an instructor for over 15 years, and also as a parent that kids go to school.
I think all over the place we have,
I don't know what is the right word.
It's a disaster, to be honest.
I mean, we are not catching up to the modern world.
Some of these kind of processes are
inherited from, well, 1600 to go back.
This typical research paper format is a 1600 style paper that didn't change much
since then, ignoring the fact that research goes beyond a static paper.
We have data, we have now code, we have experiment setup, we have videos, we have again data sets. So we have many other artifacts
that just a static PDF going back to the to the world of just sending papers by mail,
I don't think that's that's very efficient for the scientific spirit. And the same thing in
education, like we we still try to adopt technology and education, but I don't think we are very successful
collectively, right? And again, as I'm saying this as an instructor and as a parent at the same time,
and I'm hoping as someone enthusiastic about the blockchain and has been in blockchain for a while,
chain and has been a bucket chain for a while, I see a lot of potential on us solving some of
these problems fundamentally. Incentives is something that you mentioned, but also formats,
how do we share knowledge, how do we simply, even beyond a typical system, beyond education, beyond
research, we see knowledge in the general
term. And I like, in fact, the title of the space. It's knowledge and education in design. So
knowledge, I see it as a broader term. Everyone goes through knowledge. If you work in industry,
whatever your job is, you want to gain knowledge. As an individual enthusiast about a field, you
want to gain knowledge. As someone that's trying to navigate crypto, you want to gain knowledge. As someone trying to navigate crypto, you want to gain knowledge.
So knowledge is a human product in a daily basis.
And I don't think there is a very well-structured way of encouraging people to share that knowledge
and to gain from that knowledge and to put it in a broader structured format
where people are in fact
learning from it.
Like I will give you a very typical example that maybe every one of us does every day
is that if something stuck with you, you just open YouTube and try to find if someone really
went through the same situation and try to, I don't know, set up a certain device or face
another problem,
or how to open a door if you are locked inside,
or these type of things, right?
So what do we do naturally is we try to see,
well, this is something, someone, somewhere in the world,
it faced the same problem.
I hope they share their solution, and then we try it out, right?
So this comes naturally.
We, as human beings, kind of transfer the knowledge over the years but maybe we should really
uh invest more on how to to to do that knowledge sharing incentivize people to to share it in a
in a organized way structured way i don't know if you heard about this term uh knowledge overload
or information overload where well internet is very wide, there is so much knowledge everywhere.
I mentioned YouTube, there's a video kind of artifact, example of a knowledge, but what about
podcasts, which is audio, what about articles, which is text, what about PDFs, what about other formats, right?
And it's scattered everywhere, so there is a lot of time wasted on trying to collect this knowledge and organize it and learn from it.
And again, I feel decentralization, this high movement in general can also help with that general knowledge sharing and consumption and socializing as well.
How do you socialize on knowledge, similar interests, feedbacks?
There is a positive feedback loop here that we can all
gain from sharing knowledge with others and learn more.
Sorry if I took too much time.
I'm just very enthusiastic about the topic.
Yeah, for sure.
No worries at all.
I really appreciate your insights.
I mean, certainly you've got a lot of deep knowledge and a lot of great insights here.
One thing I wanted to respond to is, you mentioned
that there's information overload, there's beyond video, there's so much deep information
on the internet. And there's kind of like a recent development, I've been on a recent development.
I'm not saying it's all good, right? But, you know, a lot of people like the younger generation now I'm noticing are using things likeLMs and things like that for like digesting all of the knowledge of humanity and, you know, providing it to someone instead of, you know, Googling for things and finding thousands of links.
You know, it sort of like summarizes things
in a in a concise way not always correctly right but it's fairly concise any thoughts on that
well i can go first if someone yeah basically i i have been using it myself i think it's it's
very good i look into it as an opportunity more than as a threat or there's a lot of diverse kind of arguments with and against this. the problem should come or maybe the focus should be of how we embed that tool in our
overall knowledge infrastructure that can help us move forward rather than really hinder
our ability to learn.
Just to give a very concrete example of what I mean, again, as an instructor, you might
find a very good student that knows how to use that tool to optimize its,
like to optimize their time schedule, to give them answers for things that they will spend a lot of,
I would say, time on, but it's a repetitive task or something that it will help them really reach
the knowledge faster. So they use this tool in their site. But on the other hand, you might find
other students that use this tool to just really solve their homework, right?
And then in that case, you are preventing yourself from really advancing in knowledge and rather letting AI take your place.
So I think, again, like the right way I think about it is it's a tool that part of gaining knowledge is to learn how to really use it
and how to incorporate it in your overall process
in the right way.
And unfortunately, also in the education system,
we are a little bit behind.
The general sentiment is you prevent things.
At the beginning, you oppose them.
And then once they become very popular,
you start thinking on how to really embrace them.
Right?
Well, in Babel, for example, and we have Vitor here, we talk all the time and chat about how AI and blockchain together can really help in the
education system. Is there an intersection where two very unique, I would say, moments in the human
history and technologies that can be combined together to help us advance
and learn and socialize, right? Like something like personalized knowledge, like as you said,
distill down all this kind of information to me, summarize it in a good way, and then maybe
share it with others, give me recommendations and give me a pathway. This will be ideal, right? But I guess
we should teach our students and our kids and ourselves how to really use it the right way.
Yeah, I mean, that's a very nuanced perspective. That's great. You know, certainly like tools,
AI being a tool, Google search being a tool, Stack Overflow being a tool google search being a tool stack overflow being a tool
right um can be used the right way or wrong way for good or evil and so forth i mean just reflecting
from my own time you know uh teaching teaching programming you know this was sort of like after
google was prolific and after stack overflow was prolific and i would sort of tell students i'm
like look there's like a right way to use these tools and a wrong way to use these tools, right? Like the wrong way would be
to like, you know, go, you know, get those tools to basically do your work for you.
Another way would be to use those tools to sort of get around blockers. So certainly it is nuanced
and, you know, I think that AI and LLMs and chatbots are just sort of the next frontier of this stuff.
Does anybody else on the panel want to pick this up or shall we move on to the next topic?
Yeah, I can share some brief thoughts on that.
I agreed with pretty much everything Mohammed said about it being a tool.
it being a tool the the one part that i i think about more recently is that
if if if it can do your work for you then yeah you might lose the skill and the ability to do
something so you know if you're writing a paper going through the process of how you write it
how you can clarify to someone is a useful skill set but if we can delegate a lot of that to AI, then we don't
need to do it ourselves. We may not lose that much in the skill set, but it frees up the time
allowing us to do something different. So sometimes I think it's almost good that we can
delegate certain tasks to the AI, meaning we've got more bandwidth to do things that ai can't currently do you know that's that that's
a that's a great point i actually couldn't agree more right instead of you know people spending
their time like writing and and um what's the right word uh synthesizing information right
people might spend their time becoming better editors becoming better critical thinkers, right? And because the output of like AI and LLMs is not always like correct, right?
So, I mean, that's, yeah, I couldn't agree more.
That's a great, great perspective.
Okay, well, look, you know, this isn't, we often have AI topics, you know, on D-Sign Mike.
AI is sort of, I would say, tangential to this.
So, we can maybe move on a little bit. So besides AI and LLMs, what are some other trends
in learning and education?
So for maybe the PubLED team, perhaps
you can talk about this.
You can inform us a little bit about this trend
in learning experience platforms and perhaps how those are
different from learning management platforms. So, Richard, do you want to go? No, go ahead.
Okay, thanks. Yeah, thanks a lot for the question. So, I guess one of the key differences for learning experience platforms is that it's personalized and it's student-centered. And I don't know if student is the right word here,
but sometimes we give the general term of knowledge seeker because we want to go beyond
a typical classroom setup. But it's a knowledge seeker-centered, based on your interests,
based on your knowledge gaps, based on what you are into,
what you have already started learning,
the platform should give you more personalized recommendations
for learning material, for socializing with people.
So it's, again, more like personal centered
rather than system-centered.
Like for those that work in education, whether it's university or school,
traditional learning management systems, they are very course-centered. Like they are top-down
approach. An instructor set up the page, set up all the components of the course, you post the
material, and pretty much the other side,
the student, is just a receiver. So it's a passive learning experience. Sometimes, well,
learning management systems evolve with that they have discussions, they can post questions,
but that's somehow not the full capability of being really student-centered and being personalized and allowing anyone to pick up on what they want to
really learn rather than really they are forced into some learning stream. Just to give one
example of maybe how this can disrupt a classical classroom. Like it's very well known that people
have different learning styles. People learn more with videos, others learn more with reading,
others learn more with, in fact, discussing and socializing and sharing.
So even with the same material, how you perceive the knowledge as a human,
it's different from one person to another.
And then learning management systems, they are more or less oblivious to all of this.
While learning experience platforms, they try to focus on meeting these kind of styles that you learn through your interests and again going beyond
the classical classroom for the lifelong learning experience. What are you interested in?
Whom are you interested in following and discussing with? You socialize in a certain
topic. For example, here we're talking about this side because we're all enthusiastic about it
from all over the world in different discussion.
This is a typical example of we are socializing
around a topic related to knowledge
that we're all interested in.
But we're doing it through Twitter, which
it wasn't originally really meant for that.
Well, it gives you the tool.
But in an ideal world, we would have
a platform where it's completely knowledge
centric and then it allows you to socialize around knowledge, not having simply knowledge as only a
small part of the overall platform. So this is how I see learning experience platforms different than
learning management ones, but I will also be interested to hear if others have a
different angle into it and Victor if you want to add anything else yeah I can
add that there are already plenty of platforms with this concept with the
play and learn concept for example with games that help the learning process to
be like less tedious and easier for students
uh to basically entertain themselves and still learning along along the way and uh yeah i think
it's definitely a trend that i think it's going to be very successful and that we already have some
web3 uh projects doing doing efforts projects doing efforts on this direction.
Cool.
Okay, thanks.
I mean, certainly, you know, one of the reasons I'm so excited about these, you know, D-Sci
mic spaces, I just always, like, learn a ton, right?
And so, like, you know, TIL about learning experience systems, fantastic.
So like, you know, TIL about learning experience systems.
Fantastic.
So another sort of like trend, I think like an important trend is the peer to peer learning model.
You know, Muse Matrix, would you care to educate me a little bit more about that as well?
Absolutely.
And this fits very much in with what Moh Mohammed was saying about the social element with learning.
And even in one of his previous points, he talked about the current systems we have date back to like the 1600s.
And that is completely true with education.
It's a pre-digital model when knowledge used to be physically housed somewhere.
You had to go there to get that
knowledge and with internet etc globalization that's not really uh necessary anymore um and
the evolution we've seen from kind of universities to digital education has been with a lot of these
mooks these massive online platforms and they were a step in the right direction but they didn't
quite fulfill
all the criteria that university does and one of the biggest things it was missing was the social
element and if we look back at what was the learning in in and around the world for things like
carpentry it was uh it was an apprenticeship So you followed someone that knew how to do it.
There was a social element there.
There might have been other people that were doing it with you.
And they effectively signed off on your skill set.
And then you went off and started your own carpentry business.
And I think this is one of the kind of key things that I think the blockchain can enable where you can have verified peer-to-peer learning so you've got proof that x and y person
learn alongside x and y person in the expertise of someone yeah interesting i can i can definitely
see the connections with with uh with blockchain and dc i think that that makes a lot of sense
hopefully you were done i think like again it might have cut off what you were saying, but...
No, no, yeah, I was going to give, like, a more of a concrete example of how, you know,
it could work. So, like, the experiment I always give to someone is, would you trust a doctor that
has gone through a peer-to-peer blockchain system, but hasn't gone through medical school.
And what that would have been involved is this student who's got no formal medical training,
worked with, let's say, 10 cardiologists, all 10 of them signed off, okay, this student knows about the heart. Then they worked with 10 lung doctors, 10 kidney doctors, and all of them are
signing off. So, you know, they're putting their reputation on the line permanently recording it on chain and at the end of a few years the students got
a hundred different doctors that have signed them off on a hundred different topics
so would you trust this doctor to to treat you compared to someone that's gone med school
well like i would say like certainly certainly in in a system like that, presumably there would be some sort
of, on the blockchain, some sort of deeper information about the performance and the
processes Dr. Webb through as opposed to, I mean, maybe it would be better.
I'm just generally going saying yes, I think I
think the potential is there to say yes, here, right? You know, it would sort of be, you know,
give you some assurance, potentially, if some of this information was on the blockchain versus
not knowing that your doctor actually graduated last in their class, right? In that sense, right? So I would say, you know, potentially, yeah.
Great example.
So, you know, just kind of moving on,
we're sort of reaching sort of the back half of this.
We may have some time for audience questions or perspectives.
If anyone from the audience wants to, you know,
provide their perspectives on knowledge and education in DSI,
or if you have any questions for the panel, please request speaker.
I will add you after this next segment.
So sort of like maybe the last bit of, you know, our program today,
we'd love to hear from both the PubLED side and then MuseMatrix side.
from both the PubLed side and then MuseMatrix side,
how can people, anyone listening to this space
or anyone on Twitter or in the wider Desire blockchain community,
how can they engage with your organization or your platform?
If it's live, how can they join and start using it and start contributing maybe let's hear from a pub led first yeah i would dedicate this to to vetor so
victory please go ahead yeah so first i i think it should be note that we are like a self-funded
project and all this work has been done by our team me and the other two co-founders and some students
that we basically recruited extra time and we are now actively forging partnerships doing pilots
with universities and starting trying to trying to to get funds but our better product is live and running you can you can access it on
public.io is our landing page and then you will have a button that will redirect
you to our platform and here on Twitter you can search for public official and
and yeah you can also reach out to me or Mohamed or Sandro, and we are
more than happy to discuss about knowledge and design in general with you.
I can also quickly add that once you, like, just to answer your point also about how to interact with the platform. So once we enable, I would say, a very easy onboarding process
that we hide a lot of the blockchain and Web3
and wallets behind the scenes, so you don't
need to worry about all of this because we think usability
is a very big goal to enable onboarding people to Web3.
And once you can join with your Twitter account, with your Gmail, like using OS3, but then
once you do this, you are able to upload what we call your own knowledge artifacts in any format
that we can call like the combined knowledge object. And then you can also access all the available knowledge artifacts in the platform.
We had pilots already in Portuguese universities.
In my own university, I used it, in fact,
as my learning management system in a course.
So all the material is there.
You are able to interact with that material, access it,
post questions, comments, and hear
from the authors of these artifacts and engage with them.
Some other features are still along the way, having personalized recommendations and
socializations with people around certain knowledge topics, but what is currently in the
platform that you can use is add your own knowledge artifacts that will give you an NFT for that and access others' knowledge artifacts that you can learn from.
Okay, thanks. And yeah, we'd also love to hear from the Muse Matrix team. How can the community, you know, participate in Muse Matrix?
with developers or other people that are interested in DSi.
And if you are wanting to know a bit more about the space
and want to actively get involved in DSi,
we still have some slots open for the fellowship.
The first cohort's already kicked off,
and we've got a second one kicking off in a few weeks.
So if you check the link on our Twitter bio,
that will take you to the application form.
And the other way you can get involved is if you think
you've got some kind of skill that people in this fellowship would benefit from whether you've got
some marketing skills science communication skills product skills we'd love to get you on board to be
a mentor and this could be as low commitment time as a single one-off zoom call or something like
that so both ways either yeah take part in the fellowship if you want more of an in-depth, or if you've got some skills you want to share, please fill out the
mentor form that's also on the link on our bio. Okay, fantastic. Looks like lots of great
opportunities to get involved. Sue, I don't see anyone from the audience yet requesting to come up to ask a question
or make a comment
Erin have you gotten your voice back yet?
Your microphone back?
Not sure
Are you able to hear me?
Yeah, it's fine now
Yeah, not sure what happened before. So thanks for taking lead on the convo.I, or you want to support PubMed, MuseMatrix, or any other projects building in this space, definitely reach out to them. would like to keep building out different partnerships and expanding from an educational
standpoint whatever is needed for the D-Site ecosystem as well. We do have these spaces
every week so if you have another topic in mind too definitely reach out and we'd love to get you
kind of in the spotlight here up on this stage.
Some of this is more housekeeping, but still important things to keep reiterating in the meantime.
Okay, thanks, Aaron. So any final thoughts from our panel? Anything more you want to share?
more you want to share? Well, thank you so much for the invitation for that very interesting
discussion. As you said, I learned a lot. It's always good to talk with people and socialize
with them about knowledge. So that was great. Yeah, I appreciate you getting me on stage.
One of my favorite topics. and thank you guys for doing
this regularly i know it takes a lot of work to do things consistently so hats off to you guys
yeah and you know thanks thanks to you all for for joining us and you know contributing your
your knowledge and and thanks to all of our listeners uh for tuning in so i think uh we'll
leave it there for this week and we'll be back next week with a whole new set of guests and topics.
And yeah, look forward to the next one.
I learned a lot on this one.
Thanks, everyone.
Bye-bye.
Bye-bye, everyone.
