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DeSci Mic🎙️ MuseMatrix Open Call for DeSci Projects
Recorded: June 19, 2024 Duration: 1:05:09Space Recording
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Music Thank you. Thank you. Music Thank you. Bye, everyone.
Wonderful.
So, yeah, super excited to be back this week.
You know, as always, I'm joined by Aaron McGinnis, who's behind the Desai Mike account.
You know, this week, you know, again, I'm super excited about this week.
We're sort of going back to our, you know, roots from a few months back when we were sort of, well, at least it was me referring to Desai Mike as Open Desai Mike.
And that's going to be the spirit of of um of this
week's show um brilliant initiative by uh erin and we're also joined by um use matrix um who's
going to be a you know a big big part of it um this week we're uh going to be hearing from
you know the community the dI community, whether it's
scientists, developers, investors, founders, and, you know, other members of the community,
you know, hear about ideas of, you know, what is what is DSI need now? We've come, you know,
we made a tremendous amount of progress as like a community and a movement over the last couple of years.
But, you know, I mean, obviously, you know, the battle's not over.
We still have so much more to do.
I mean, you know, science is limitless and endless, essentially.
So, you know, at the risk of rambling on, you know, I'll turn it over to Erin.
Amazing.
I am so excited for this space today on the DSI mic.
And we have a whole bunch of the Muse Matrix fellows joining in on this call today.
They're about three weeks into the first cohort of the DSI fellowship.
And they've been absolutely rocking it. Part of this
week was also kicking off this kind of call and initiative to engage the wider community in
discussing what does DSI need, what different projects should really be existing in the DSI space right now
that currently aren't yet built or aren't being used in the way that they could be used to
advance science overall and just make the world a better place? So if you're looking through some
of the different listeners, they might be some new faces into the DSAI My community, but they are, you'll probably see them around a lot more within the DSAI ecosystem.
I think the Muse Matrix account is having a couple of technical difficulties as we have been the past few weeks on these spaces. But with that, would love to kind
of invite anyone in the audience right now to respond to this question of what could DCI use
or what does this space need? What projects would you like to see throughout the whole call today? Come off mute
or request the mic and we'll bring you up here. Our goal is to have this space be as many different
ideas as possible. So if you have an idea, come on up and we'll be able to share it. Maybe have
a couple moments to discuss it, but really have this be kind of a
starting point for much deeper investigation into the future. And if you have an idea but don't have
capacity or may not know the next great steps to build it out, that's part of what a lot of the,
a lot of what we're doing at Muse Matrix is helping to facilitate making these projects come to life.
So I would love to invite anyone to request the mic or you can drop a comment down below as well.
I know there are a few folks listening right now that have been in the space for a little while and might have some really interesting ideas too.
Otherwise, Merrick, I could toss it back to you
to answer this question first and kind of kick the convo off.
Yeah, for sure.
Like, I mean, you know, we've got a great group you know joining us today um you
know so you know don't don't be shy don't don't you don't need to feel like you have to have like
a polished pitch or anything like that i mean if you do great if you just have like a few you know
a few words uh you know regarding kind of like what what what's missing or where D-Sci should go next.
You know, we've got a really supportive group here.
There's no wrong answers, no bad ideas.
So, yeah, please don't be shy.
You know, so maybe I'll just sort of kick it off with, you know,
some high-level thoughts kind of on my side, right? I mean, you know, there's a ton of work being done, you know,
addressing, you know, a lot of issues in, at least, you know,
D-Sci is addressing in sort of like traditional science, you know,
from, you know, the sort of like publication crisis,
reproducibility crisis to, you know, incentivizing
peer reviews. From my end, like from, you know, we've had a ton of conversations, you know, on
this show, you know, over the last couple of months. One thing that comes to mind for me,
and, you know, I think there's a few projects that are kind of addressing this kind of like all
on their own, right? Like everybody's sort of approaching it, you know, from first principles
and kind of like reinventing the wheel a little bit. But what I would kind of like to see, right,
would be like a framework, right? Could be a software framework, could it first be sort of, you know,
a framework that's more, you know, procedural, something that's written out, like that's
somewhere where we could begin in order to better, I would say, like distribute credit and rewards, like kind of end to end through
the scientific process, right?
I mean, you know, again, at the risk of, you know, repeating some of the chats that we've
had with, you know, our fantastic guests over the last couple of months, right?
You know, I think one of the promises and potential strengths of
DeFi and blockchain technology in general is using game theory, using distributed ledgers,
using smart contracts, even using AI, to you know, more equitably distribute value throughout a supply chain or knowledge web or, you know, let's call it let's call it a network.
Right. And, you know, network of in the past, right, or that we've discussed on the show in the past,
right, is this idea that, you know, in science today, right, in, you know, traditional science,
I think, I think this is sort of, you know, most exemplified by things in like the pharmaceutical
industry, right, where, you know, you know, these big companies uh you know acknowledging that they take on like a
lot of risk right they also like essentially reap all the rewards as well right and you know people
that are um you know part of clinical trials or people that like um end up sharing whether they
you know were sort of like you know know, doing it with their full sort of
knowledge or whether their data was just sort of like slurped up into like a big database,
right? And people are contributing knowledge, sometimes genetic, you know, information,
all the all these things, right? But like, you know, the, you know, the pharma companies not
to really like, call them out maybe too much or to harp on this too much, right? They, you know, accrue all the value there, right? The value accrues up, right? But using,
you know, tools like DAOs, distributed ledgers, you know, I would say like also applying the
principles of DSI, right? What I would like to see, right probably first some protocols, procedures, and then eventually kind of getting down to code, whether it's APIs, smart contracts, platforms, whatever, whatever we call that in traditional science,
can adopt to, you know, sort of like share, share credit, right? And, and, and share,
share the wealth, right? So I'm, you know, I'm probably sounding like a little bit like of a
hippie here. But yeah, that's something that I think would be fantastically valuable. So anyway, I kind of ramble on quite a bit.
I think we had somebody come on to speak, but I felt I just kept, maybe they felt I kept talking and given the chance.
Do you want to come back up?
I think it was Desai London.
Do you want to come back up?
It might be Barrett under the Muse Matrix account.
If you're able to come off mute now, come join us.
I know I wasn't letting you click that before.
Yeah, I think it's working now.
I swear every other week I just have massive issues on Twitter spaces.
I was trying to log in from two accounts.
So the DCI London one's still logged in.
So don't worry, you didn't silence anyone previously.
But yeah, glad to be here and looking forward to today's session.
So we've got a cool audience, a lot of different people here.
So excited to see what people have to share.
Definitely, definitely. In the meantime, for anyone who has just joined, if you have some ideas of different projects that might be interesting for the DSI space to help build
out or address, please request the mic and we'll bring you on up here. I can kick it off with a couple
different ideas of things that might be interesting too. And this can also be a space that maybe if
you don't have the exact solution thought through yet, but you see an opportunity zone or a problem that you think the DSI ecosystem should address,
this is absolutely a space to discuss that as well. So it's an open call for maybe DSI could
address XYZ and then further exploration into what that might look like could be pursued moving forward too. So yeah, definitely
drop any ideas you might have or ideas you might have seen someone else share and amplify those
voices if you're here right now. With that, a couple different ideas that I think could be
interesting and I'm just seeing pop up in more and more conversations is the idea of there being kind of like a
GitHub for scientific data, a place where people can tap into some different open databases and
maybe combine or do different queries across different data sets that otherwise wasn't possible because
just finding that data was quite hard to do previously without it being kind of consolidated
into a certain location to be able to find those different data sets. So that's one idea I've been
thinking on and kind of has come up in a few different conversations independently from other folks, too, that could likely be beneficial across the whole ecosystem.
I'll pause there.
We have Brenda up here now.
I would love to have you share some thoughts.
Yes.
Hello.
Hello.
Thank you for the space.
Well, I'm Brenda. I'm behalf of DisaiLatum. all in Spanish because our focus is Latin America, we are mapping all the Web3 design projects.
So if someone of your project has a Spanish speaker,
it would be great if we can do an space
or maybe we can do one stream talking about what they are doing.
And so my DMs are open.
And if you want to check our amazing content, go through to this Ailat.
Amazing.
Amazing.
It's really exciting to see more and more different kind of DSI regional hubs grow and
become stronger and being able to bridge some connections between the different strengths
of each of the ecosystems.
So thanks so much for coming up here. I know we have a few fellows that kind of fit directly into the work that you're doing as well and are from Latin locations. So excited that there's a stronghold kind of in that region in the world now. So thank you for the work you're doing.
Yeah.
Well, actually, it would be great if, I don't know, maybe LUMCO, D-Ca-London, Muse Matrix, Poisson.
I don't know how do I pronounce.
I don't know how do I pronounce.
Poseidon Dow.
Yeah.
Poseidon Dow.
All are invited to talk about their project in Spanish.
So please reach me and let's talk.
So maybe we can do something together.
Yeah. On behalf of NewsMatrix,
let's definitely make some cool things happen.
Latin America that you think might just be opportunity zones for D-Sci to be considering
maybe at a heavier level than we're currently as an entire ecosystem taking into account?
Maybe.
Might be a good question to keep thinking on.
In the meantime, we have another speaker up here.
Sorry, sorry.
The question was for me.
Yeah, yeah.
Sorry, I didn't hear.
All good. All good.
Yeah, the question was, if there are any challenges in science or maybe opportunities in DSCI that might be like well positioned or more unique to Latin America that you might have some knowledge of that you could share with the rest of the ecosystem here
for us to also keep in mind whether we're already working on something
or are looking for a new project to get involved with?
Well, I have a lot of things to tell you.
For example, well, I'm based in Argentina and you know how is the
political situation and economic situation in my country. But at the same time, we are working in
some, like a movement, the name is Crecimiento. And we are thinking in a kind of pop-up city in Argentina.
So DSAI-LATAM as the DSAI leaders, we are working on that.
And actually, well, the first problem in our country is the hyperinflation that we are having.
But based on our research, talking about different projects in different countries in Latin America,
we have the same problem.
And the most common problem is the funding.
And actually, it's how expensive is the publish of papers and so on.
So, well, we don't have the same issues as Africa,
but as a region, we have very, very similar issues,
with the exception with Argentina and Venezuela.
Definitely. Axan Dio, do you have some thoughts or response to this?
Yeah, I just wanted to ask Brenda, well, you just made a good point before that about the communication. But I would like to know, at least I think everyone would like to know, is the health costs affected with the inflation in Argentina to the point where it's completely ridiculous? Or how is that factored into your equation and D-side down there?
Well, for example, I can give you an example. This new president,
it doesn't matter if the guy is doing the right things or the wrong things, but for example,
the minister of science and Technology has been cut.
What does that mean? It doesn't exist in Argentina anymore.
So what is going to happen with the government funding to the research and to the investigations and so on?
We don't know. We don't have an idea.
And actually, I have been talking with students,
with a person who works in the CONICET.
CONICET is the most important government institution about science.
And they don't know.
And actually, if you ask me how much do I need,
how much money do I need to live in Argentina, I don't have an answer.
Yeah, that is what is happening in Argentina and how it affects to the science.
So, yeah, it's, I don't know, I can laugh or I can cry, but I prefer to laugh and work on the things that could make, I don't know, an impact in our ratio.
Absolutely.
We have a couple other hands up here right now. So this is open discussion. We just have the space here to talk. So if you have thoughts, jump in. So go for it.
second what Brenda is talking. I'm from Mexico and I'm very happy that also I'm seeing some
folks from Mexico. Greetings to also the Design Mexico team that is already here. Well, we're
facing something similar in Mexico. We have a lot of trouble and also our social security system
is facing like a breakout from their last like budgets. We are like having a lot of trouble with
medications and also we have like a shortage of some antideoplastic medications. I'm a rheumatologist
and I face it like we ran out of methotrexate like for like two years so our patients were
for like two years.
So our patients were very, with a very,
with a lot of trouble to just to get the medication
to control their diseases.
Also, we're facing the inflation in the cost of medicine
and in the social and private security.
Actually, for me, if I can just make an example, like 10 years ago when I just signed my private social health contract, it was like $400.
Actually, for me, if I can like just make an example,
And actually, it's like for $700.
So this is like a very high increment in the cost of living and also in the budget
for the diseases. We don't have like the social security that the United States or England
has. We have like three different types of social security, like the one for the government,
one for the states and also the private sector. So it's very difficult for us to control all of these problems
because also the investigation, also I'm a principal investigator
for Sanofi and other healthcare and pharmaceutical industries.
They are facing like a lot of trouble to introduce their drugs
and their trials in Mexico,
since the Conacyt and also the CoferPris,
that is our government that regulates all the introduction of drugs in Mexico.
It's like very, has a lot of, I don't know,
maybe it's not like sufficiently decentralized because I think that they have like 10 different people like reviewing all the paper that needs to deploy a new protocol in Mexico. And we are having two or three years of, I don't know, of delay in the startup of these
projects.
And something that's very interesting, because we just look to Argentina, that they have
a lot of big names in the industry of healthcare and also pharmaceutical investigation, and
they have these six months or maybe eight months of approval.
So we have a lot of trouble, really.
It's not only budget, it's timing, it's people, it's knowledge.
I think that we have to face like a lot of things inside the healthcare
and also in the public ecosystem. Absolutely. We have a whole bunch of hands up.
So definitely come off.
Yeah.
Sorry. Only I want to add.
In addition to the Inemius Matrix Fellowship, I am the one of these in Mexico.
And also I am agree one of this in Mexico and also I am
agree with crypto realm.
And I think that we we decided to found this in Mexico.
We have seen a lot of dropouts in the area of biology.
So in that way we have to decide to introduce to introduce decide as an opportunity to
continue to continue their preparation as scientists at this time so um we have introduced
the first decentralized science track in a hackathon in latam and also we have held the first
decentralized science conference in the most prestigious public university in the state of Puebla, the CUAP.
And, well, we are writing articles in Spanish and we are developing a collaborative protocol
that is called Transparence to protect intellectual property in an early stage.
to protect intellectual property in an early stage.
This is the, like the objective is because
they don't have enough financing, so we protect them.
And I want to add one of the things that we face
like the site community is the credibility.
Because when we talk with the scientists and researchers
and or the students they have a little question
and they are going to introduce the ecosystem so i think we need to do more for the disseminate the
the knowledge in this side and also of course in spanish and we are looking for translate this knowledge in Nahuatl that is a
native language in Mexico that is more speaking around the Mexican Republic so yeah I think this
is one of the important things the language is so important to to access to community and also the patients that they will give us the data to improve the science.
So yeah, this is my thought and thank you.
Absolutely, really amazing work that you're doing
to also engage the local universities at that level.
ExxonDAO, Brenda, go for it.
Thank you. Going back to what CryptoReo said, yes, the resources, tools, drugs, and so on, is one of the big issues also in Argentina. Imagine Mexico is pretty close to USA,
but we are in the other corner of the continent. And for example, bring a tool for a laboratory or you have to pay around 80% of taxes
and you still don't know if your product will be stopped in the airport.
And that is another issue that we have to fix.
And it's the same problem, for example, with Uruguay, with Chile.
And it's the same problem, for example, with Uruguay, with Chile.
Yeah, we have to fix how we can bring those resources to our countries, to our region.
So that is one of the things that I forget to say.
I'd like to make a point to that. And this is a great, a really good point, I think, is that the communication needs to be almost protocol where we are able to all communicate together because this is all about people.
0.999% of the people don't have a say in any of this. And these are decisions that are made for us.
So why shouldn't we have more communication, but we should have the power collectively and to take a big, big, big step back and look at this.
Decide. It's about money and it's about how do we change the needle here on that?
If we have a community that has the power together to beat the system,
and it comes down, I think the common denominator is money, money, money, money.
So what if you're able to take this idea and D-side develops,
and we almost have a world currency almost that the funds, the data for health, for science
is off limits to the insane greed of capitalism that it can be. Capitalism needs to work. But if we can fix the
money side of it, where all of a sudden you're competing with the governments, you're competing
with other institutions, we can take that power back. Because the problems that we're all facing
is really due to the money. And it's just irritating because when you just go down to the final
denominator again is the money. And all of a sudden, if you can compete and say, oh, well,
we have the funds to do that. Or we can do this. Oh, don't worry. We got you. All of a sudden,
people start changing and then the markets change and then the cost of things change.
And I think that will hopefully alleviate some things. So I don't know, the communication
is a major thing, but, you know, and then relating it to the average person, but then just the
collective understanding. And that's really our job is to hammer that out, the communication,
the knowledge base so that we can all relate. And it's not just crypto. It's not some crazy science. It's just to make it able to be digestible by everybody.
I'll stop there.
Absolutely.
One thought that keeps popping up in my mind
throughout this space is some lower lift efforts that the dsci ecosystem should really
be leaning into which is like translation of what is going on here different articles that might be
published into different languages just make sure at that level everything is is really leaning into
is really leaning into underlying ethos of Web3 and accessibility and coordination and collaboration, all of it.
So would love to specifically keep chatting on making sure things happening in the DSi ecosystem are being translated at least into Spanish,
since we have good representation and ability to do that on the call here.
So personally, I would really like to keep that conversation going.
And for anyone, this is Erin McGuinness behind this mic right now.
So if you see my name pop up or start a combo on that topic, trying to connect some dots there.
Brenda, you have your hand up.
Yes, yes, the last thing that I will say, and that's all.
And yeah, he's right when he say funding is not the only problem,
but we notice that it's not easy, for example, for an investigation,
receive a grant from crypto.
So that is another issue that we need to figure out how to handle it
because they have to, I don't know how to explain it in English,
but it's not easy, like, receive funding to a community.
It's not the same.
And that is how we need to, I don't know how to explain,
we need to open this niche, this ecosystem,
and bring more players like lawyers and so on
so on to figure out how we fix this problem, how we can give them the funding, the grants
to figure out how we fix this problem,
to, for example, a public investigation.
Definitely.
And that, I feel like, ties together so many different things being worked on and conversations across the DSI ecosystem from that funding component to end state publication. into actual products? How do we, as an entire ecosystem, ensure access to different viable
products, especially when there might be different country regulatory considerations that have to be
navigated? This has been an absolutely amazing conversation so far and want to keep continue diving into these topics as well as for anyone
new that might have joined just open up the mic if you have some thoughts on what's being discussed
some new ideas of different DSI projects that you think should exist or just challenges in
the scientific landscape that you're seeing. Maybe it's a more regional
consideration to wherever you might be from, or it could be broader statements as well.
Definitely request the mic, come off mute, and add your thoughts here. This is really a brainstorming kind of playground to explore some of these ideas
and also maybe see what similarities or differences might exist within each of our own
either geographic or kind of like intellectual realms of expertise or background.
We have a couple of more sources that have joined,
so please come on up. Yeah, Lauzoff has been waiting patiently. I think they came up some
time ago. Did you want to to have some more thoughts, feel
free to jump in.
Only I say hello, Lauzo. But adding something about the money,
I think that speaking of this part,
it is necessary to regulate the direction of the funds because there are many organizations or people
that receive grants without doing real work.
So we need to regulate that part
before we have more access to money.
So we need to think a platform or something
that we put our project, we put the goals and we put the money that they are receiving.
And what are the things that they are doing?
Like a community, like a project or like a research project.
So I saw, yeah, this is a big problem, I think, because we need the relevant how to distribute the money.
Absolutely.
That's an absolutely essential piece of this equation.
And one thing I've just been a little bit frustrated by within the DeSci ecosystem,
there are all of these really brilliant and well-intentioned people in the space,
but we tend to, as an overall kind of analysis of
the ecosystem, orient a bit more towards the theorizing side of things rather than the
execution side and really focusing in on executing, whether that's building products, whether that's
that's building products, whether that's onboarding, whether that's producing different academic papers,
or creating actually sustainable business models for some of the work that's being done in this
space. There's some opportunity for us as an ecosystem really kind of lean into what are the outputs that we're producing. And I think we've started
to shape up a little bit more recently. But in my mind, a piece of that goes back to, okay,
if as an ecosystem, even if it's on Gitcoin or something like that, if we're supporting these
different projects, like let's hold each other accountable to actually making things happen in the ecosystem.
And as each one of us produces or executes, like, that benefits everyone. So the more we can
support one another in those goals, the better I think it would be overall. Accent, I'll go for it.
Hey, thanks. I mean, just to that point is, this is so new. And I think there's so many challenges
that we have to face like at our feet. And not just, you know, putting our shoes on, we have to
do so much. But at the same time, we're tackling those challenges. And, you know, when we started
at least with Axon Dow, we thought, oh, we could just get into this D-size space.
It's already established.
It's not. And the regulatory framework in the U.S. is a challenge.
But I think we've made big strides in understanding where we fit in there.
And I think that's the real goal here is to see how we can apply this theory to practicality
and then execute.
But there is a pathway to get there,
and it's not as easy as a hop, skip, and a jump.
And this is going to be a little bit of a battle of attrition.
So I think we need to kind of accept that,
but we keep the pressure on.
And just like you said, as long as with Gitcoin
and seeing with others to just make it all kind of a cohesive community,
that's the power we'll have.
So I'm excited that we're all kind of there together on that.
Yeah, I'm super excited about all these collaborations that are starting to just form stronger bonds
between people and organizations
doing good work in the ecosystem right now.
Yeah.
Crypto, come on off mute and you can join.
Sorry for my very difficult nickname.
Can you pronounce it?
It's Kryptorium-D.
As I said, I'm a rheumatologist.
So it's Kryptorium from rheumatologist
and MD from medical doctor.
Makes total sense reading it that way.
Just coming at it without that context.
Thank you for helping me.
No problem.
It's a little difficult.
Maybe sometimes I need to change it for like the orsit or easy way.
I think if you and your profile made the MD like capital MD, that would have helped
me get a better chance at pronouncing it properly
yeah sorry all good welcome i was thinking that we can help with a lot of this uh we are like
a very new entity in into the design uh like ecosystem we started started in design like two years ago with just two or three articles.
I published some of my ideas in mirror
from all of my cases in my medical practice,
just to try and to decentralize
like the way that it's being published,
like bad, good, very bad, very good results
without like any like scrutiny inside this.
But then we started to publish reviews in our newsletter.
So we are actually reviewing articles and trying to
onboard people in how to read medical
or the original articles
inside statics, inside the subject, the title and everything like that.
But I think that we can have a lot of projects that are like in the early stage with their applications.
We, in Nacion Bangladesh, we work like a lot in this and also in the first pitch that Elijah
and all the team of design MIG like made,
we were like in that pitch.
And maybe if someone is like trying to apply for Gitcoin
or trying to apply for Gibbett,
we can review or help with their applications.
Since I think that the first barrier that we are facing
is that we don't are naturally English speakers
and maybe our ideas are not like very quite good explained.
So sometimes we need like a little review or a little help.
So if anyone is interested in that help, we can do that.
So if anyone is interested in that help,
we can do that.
And also our resources, our followers,
our WordPress accounts also,
we can just retweet or recast just to give more richness
for every project that is trying to have like more impact
in the ecosystem.
Amazing. Would you be able to send me a DM? My profile is pinned up above under Aaron,
and I would love to keep chatting on this.
My DM should be open,
but let me know if you're having any issues with that.
I think we're in the same Teleman group,
so maybe you can.
Okay. Let's with that. I think we're in the same Telemann group, so maybe you can. Okay, yes,
let's do that. Awesome. So many groups. Laussoff, if you are available to come off mute now,
would love to have you share some thoughts. Or if anyone else in the audience right now
has any things to add to what we've been talking through so
far, have other ideas on what could be built out in DSi
or just kind of challenges across the scientific landscape
that might be worth exploring or having deeper conversation
on, this is a great place to
propose some of those ideas as well. Can you hear me? Yes. Okay. Hi everyone. Well, I was listening
and I agree so much with all the ideas you are talking about. The one I really liked is having like kind
of GitHub for science. And something I was really thinking about these days is how we can do like a more public work in science, you know, like start talking
more openly about, okay, this is not working or this is working. And I work with genetics so that would be really really good for us because
there there are so many things that we have to try like a week some with some
things that we take you have to try like a one time and then two times and then a
lot of times until they're the things that we are trying to look are working.
So it will be really good to have an open platform
when we can look and not just in genetics,
but just in general.
Because I think the scientific community
could help between us.
We could help because what you are saying is that we see all the competitions, right?
And we need to help each other more that try to go through a certain result before others.
And also I was thinking about that we could, in the analysis of the data,
we could try to open it also, and not just between the scientists,
but also we could open it to other people.
Because I think that the bio data is really complex.
And when we have more minds,
we could reach more reach even better results.
And we could try to open, like, okay, I have these results,
I have these things that I saw,
but just help me to analyze this
because we need a lot of points of view.
Because you see the articles when
people say oh okay we we came to the conclusion that this is like this but we have the lack or
more points of view or you see that um they are just looking for their own interests and not the interests of the community in general.
Completely. That's such kind of a key point that you ended on there of just making sure that there's
alignment across the board and making sure that that's actually advancing each of the efforts in kind of a wholesome
and a way that acknowledges each of the contributions different organizations and people are making
in while also working towards these goals of more open access.
We've covered a lot of awesome topics on this call here today. We have a few more minutes until we reach the top of
the hour. If we're diving in we can keep going as well, but we do have these DSi mics every
Wednesday at 4 p.m. UTC, so there's more space to keep chatting on these topics and also dive in if you have a topic that maybe spurred to mind throughout this conversation that you would like there to be a space dedicated to that.
Reach out to the D-side mic, to me, Aaron McGinnis, to regular Merrick, and we can help get that scheduled in.
regular Merrick, and we can help get that scheduled in. With that, since we do have a
couple more minutes, opening up the mic or floor, just inviting anyone else to come off mute. I would
love any of the fellows to also come on up. Pamela, thanks for helping to lead the way on that front.
um pamela thanks for helping to lead the way on that front uh but if any of the other muse matrix
fellows um would like to share some thoughts uh would love to have you do so here right now
in the meantime uh merrick barrett any of the other speakers have any have any things kind of
sprout to mind throughout this conversation yeah um i just wanted to
touch on just one main point and i really like today's quote and seeing there's a lot of
desai activity happening in the latin region is is uh super cool it's one of my theses for a long
time is that uh countries outside the west are going to be the ones that leapfrog in terms of DSAI,
and that DSAI is going to get a lot more traction in places like India, Africa, LATAM,
compared to Western countries. I think there's a lot of opportunity there. I think there's a lot
of scientists there, a lot of institutions, and there's a lack of, for example, there's hardly
any spin-outs that come out of Latin American countries when you compare it to a lot of Europe or US.
And the blocker isn't the expensive lab equipment or necessarily even the know-how.
And I think this is one of the things that DSI can help solve.
So I'm really looking forward to what this space is going to be in the next few years.
So thank you for everyone that spoke. Really enjoyed listening to you guys.
Amazing. Yes. thank you for everyone that spoke really enjoyed listening to you guys amazing yes i i saw this
graph a couple days ago now and it was showcasing how the u.s used to have basically this monopoly
on r&d funding really like in proportion to how much of r&d and scientific funding was being given out at this, like a government level across
the world.
And then over recent years, many more countries are taking a bigger and bigger piece of this
pie.
So historically, if maybe the US was kind of leading the way in what advancements across different scientific realms looked like.
There's a lot more funding going into a lot of other labs in different locations
that might also have different focal areas and different strengths. So I'm personally super
excited for what's to come at like a global scale from a scientific
innovation and advancement perspective.
Yeah, but I can't get that out of my mind of how much opportunity we have right now
to help lay some of this groundwork for better coordination and taking advantage of this
shift that's really happening right now.
Harkhan, you request to speak.
We'd love for you to come off.
Welcome.
Yes, hello.
I hope that I'm heard well.
So we have a few minutes left before there's another space that I need to attend.
So I had this like very raw idea.
I didn't want to talk about it because it's not kind of fully formed in my head,
but I just kind of pitch it just to kind of place it in people's heads
and we can return to it in our discussion group. So, like over the past few weeks, a lot of people started talking about decentralizing education.
This was kind of, I immediately realized that it's going to be a problem
because like in biology, it's not sufficient to read textbooks and scientific papers and write reports.
You have to do web work.
And it doesn't matter how much you read on PCR or gel electrophoresis or mass spectrometry, unless you do it.
You don't have the skill, don't have the proper education.
So I was kind of thinking about how to solve this.
And I came up with this idea of soul-bound NFTs.
So the only person that cannot test that they have the skill is the person who has the skill already.
And for example, if you can imagine like an NFT that be at this by three other people who has the skill and that that's
why uh and this way you kind of have this uh this proof that you uh possess this knowledge that you
possess this skill and uh this is kind of scalable from uh something as simple as buffer preparation
to the surgeries and uh well this is like uh uh my idea haven't thought it through, but just kind of to get things going,
I just wanted to offer it to the audience.
And thank you very much.
Amazing.
Thank you for sharing that.
And that educational component is, I feel like,
an even more foundational layer that, in my mind,
is just kind of consumed into all of the bigger conversation
here, but definitely needs a bit more attention.
And let's definitely explore this more
throughout the rest of the Muse Matrix Fellowship as well. I think someone else had a
hand up before, as well as any reactions to what was just said, Axon DAO. Yeah, that was a good
point. And thanks for having this and having us or me be able to speak here. But last thing,
I know we got to go. One thing that we've kind of collaborated with with some other DAOs is something called the Health Data Alliance,
which is really the protocol that we all need to adhere to
to make this work.
So we've started something there, and we have an agreement
with some other DAOs.
So we hope to kind of encourage that,
because this needs to be cohesive, needs to be a protocol,
and we all need
to be in alignment. But thank you for this call. And I know we're running late. Awesome. We have a
couple moments now just for any last thoughts to wrap things up. Maybe your key takeaway in just
a couple of words or any remaining thoughts circling around in your
brain to leave people with as they might walk away.
We have another speaker coming up here right now as well.
Future Star, if you're able to hear, come join us.
Awesome.
Welcome.
Hi there. Can you guys, come join us. Awesome. Welcome. Hi there.
Can you guys hear me?
Yes.
Awesome.
Yeah, great space, by the way.
I just had a question because I actually just finished my dissertation.
So I just finished my PhD.
And actually built a...
Way to go.
And so I actually built a decentralized protocol as my project,
but I haven't launched it yet.
So I'm like super interested in what this fellowship is and how to get a
fellowship to continue my work.
Cool.
Let's talk.
Yeah.
So we have the Muse Matrix account,
which on my screen is,
is the speaker right next to yours right now.
I'm Erin McGinnis.
I have a tweet pinned up above.
So we can definitely continue the convos through those different channels.
And let's get people using your protocol.
That's a big piece of what we're really focused on at Muse Matrix is there are different people building out these wonderful technologies, but that connection piece between actually putting them to use in the ways they were intended or in the ways that they could be.
There's just an opportunity zone in that bucket across the DeSci ecosystem as well from my point of view. So shoot a DM either to
Aaron, use Matrix, and let's keep exploring on that. A bunch of the people listening in on the
call right now are also fellows. So if you want insider or to ask them questions on how things
have been going so far, like shoot any of them a message and they
can give you their perspective too. But yes, that's a perfect example of what spaces like
this are hoping to achieve, or at least one of my intentions of there are all these things we
don't know that we could be using as an ecosystem. What's like the 30 second pitch of your protocol?
It's a database that can be used for a bunch of different hospitals all across the world.
Since there are a bunch of different outbreak regions, I designed a database that puts that all together and people can access it. Like I've given specific keys to
some people, but not very many. Amazing. Oh my gosh, that sounds incredible and so useful and
could really help so many different people. So I'm personally super excited by this and I'm personally super excited by this, and I'm sure others listening in are likely as well.
Do you have anything published on this for people to go check out, or might that be something that the DSi ecosystem can help you with?
Yeah, actually, my paper just got published, actually, in May.
It's called Back Design.
Cool. Thank you. Yeah, It's called Back Design. Thank you.
Yeah, it's called Back Design.
I actually published it.
It's on my Twitter.
But it's called Back Design Building a Fair Database.
Cool.
Just type that in.
Amazing.
For anyone listening in, definitely go check it out.
I can't vouch 100%, but based on what I'm hearing so far,
that might be something to keep our eyes on. And definitely ties to some of the bigger
combos happening of just the need for better databases and effective ways of connecting
data across different regions or different institutions. So that's super exciting.
Amazing. For anyone else up here as a speaker right now, any reactions to that or anyone in
the audience that want to come up for just a couple minutes here?
to come up for just a couple minutes here.
Well, on that note,
I think that's a great way to end this space,
but not end the conversation.
We're back here every Wednesday at 4 p.m. UTC
with new topics each week.
And all of those are really designed by the entire
DSi community that's what this space and platform is intended to be stage
really for us to have conversations like this and then to also dive into
specific topics maybe different technologies or projects progress being
made or different opportunity zones. If
you have a theme that you would like to be covered in the future, please reach
out to Desai Mike, myself Erin McGinnis, Regular Merrick, and we can get that
scheduled in. Or if you have a topic that you would like to learn more about, we
can help find some different speakers in that space
and coordinate making that happen.
If you're also interested in helping to build out
or explore what some of the different ideas
or projects talked about today,
reach out to me use Matrix or myself, Aaron,
and we can progress that conversation forward.
Or if you're interested in being a
fellow, it's really designed especially for scientists, researchers, as well as developers
for just cool things to be happening in the DSI space and resulting in some of these outputs that
the whole ecosystem needs to keep succeeding and pushing forward.
On that note, thank you to everyone who has joined in
and stayed with us for a few minutes over
and we'll see you back here next week.
Thanks so much.
Take care, bye everyone.
Bye.
