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DeSci Next: Your Voice in Science
Recorded: March 26, 2025 Duration: 1:35:24Space Recording
Short Summary
The discussion highlights the launch of Design Next and Peptide DAO as new initiatives in the D-Sai space, emphasizing innovation in scientific processes. D-Sai is portrayed as an evolution of traditional science, offering solutions to existing challenges. Community efforts like Terminus and D-Sai Africa aim to spread awareness and foster collaboration, while programs like Muse Matrix Fellowship focus on education and onboarding into the decentralized science ecosystem.
Full Transcription
All right, all right. Let's kick things off. This is Aaron McGuinness behind the D-Sy Mike account today.
Super, super excited to be here with Hannah this week, diving into D-Sy Next, an incredible community and group that's forming to really help push the next wave in D-Sai and scientific innovation forward.
Hannah, welcome.
Hello, hello. It's great to be co-hosting my first space.
And I'm super excited to talk about Designex. So if you guys are not exactly sure what that is,
we'll be diving into that and also welcoming people on stage to talk about their experience.
So super excited to dive in.
Okay.
Erin, do you want to maybe do a little intro or overview of what we'll be talking about in today's space?
Yes, definitely. So overall, we'll be covering what D.S.I. Next is a bit of the inspiration behind that,
diving into Hannah's story, and then opening it up to hear other stories of how people might
have gotten into D.I, different challenges, as well as different inspiration, and then
creating some invitation for some next steps.
And so it should be a really inspiring, fun, connective type of space this week.
And if there are any people that you might know that should have been curious about D.S.I.,
maybe how to get involved or just looking to see some different examples of people they might
be able to relate to. This would be a great time to invite them to come join, listen and
contribute to this space as well. So feel free to DM or share that out to bridge some of those
connections. Also, Andrew, are you there? Can you speak? Yes, finally, I was able to get through the
X technology labyrinth. But anyways, happy to be here.
Amazing. So let's dive in, going into a little bit about kind of my story, how I created this
whole initiative called Design Next and a little bit about it. So...
Essentially, D-Sign Next is a community initiative, and it's here to empower a new wave of innovators and people in science.
So in traditional science, a lot of the progress is bogged down by these really long academic pathways.
There's a lot of institutional gatekeeping as well, and it's a really rigid system that I've experienced, and it stifles a lot of creativity.
Whereas D-SI, on the other hand, is designed to break all of these barriers and it solves these real-world problems by democratizing access to the tools, the resources and the communities as well that are needed to kind of make scientific breakthroughs happen today instead of years down the line.
So...
It's not just for PhDs or seasoned researchers, which of course are essential to DCI,
but this whole DCI next is for anyone with a passion for science.
So if you just want to contribute, you don't need a traditional research background.
So whether you're like an engineer or you're in school or you're a creative thinker that wants to reimagine processes,
right?
or just someone who's curious about how science works, there's a place for you in D-Sai.
And this essentially stems from my experience that I had last year.
I entered D-Side a time where I knew nothing about it.
I was just curious and eager to learn, and I knew that there had to be a way, a better way to do science.
So, science traditionally feels like a long, slow process,
and you have to wait years for this opportunity.
And I was considering academia for a very, very long time
when I finished my first bachelor's degree.
And last year I went to Southeast Asia and I just showed up to all of these D-SI events.
And I was definitely like one of the youngest in the room.
But it genuinely struck me how welcoming and collaborative everyone in that room was, everyone in D-Sai.
And so instead of feeling like someone that was an outsider, I was embraced.
And people were so open to sharing their ideas and their projects.
And this...
experience showed me that in DCI, you know, age and all these formal credentials don't matter
if you want to be part of DCI, if you want to contribute.
So obviously this was in stark contrast to the traditional path.
And with DCI, you have the opportunity to build and contribute right now.
It wasn't just about doing research, it's about getting involved.
And this spirit of immediacy and inclusivity is what led me to launch my first project called peptide down.
If you guys haven't heard of it, it's linked in my bio.
And I kind of saw this gap in how science was being done, particularly around peptide research.
And I knew that with this kind of decentralized approach, that we could break through these barriers.
Okay.
kind of the same reasons why other biodiles have launched as well in their respective field.
So essentially, DISA empowered me to take action immediately and start something meaningful
rather than waiting on all these traditional channels.
So that's kind of the essence of D-Sai for me and how it inspired me to create this next-gen.
And I'm essentially building on that vision.
So I want to create a space where innovators,
whether you're a young founder or someone who's been in the game for a while,
can come together and share their experiences, collaborate,
and build something new.
And I believe that by empowering every voice,
we can accelerate progress and truly transform the science,
the way science has done.
So that's kind of the vision behind D-Synext.
That's amazing.
Where do you feel like...
Design Next is going or what sort of ideas do you have about the impact that perhaps Desi Next could have?
I really think that for Design Next, it can have an impact on visibility and not just to the younger generation, but everyone.
So when I first came into this...
I was not on Twitter. I mean, I'm in my early 20s. I feel like a lot of this generation is
more like on TikTok and Instagram and none of me or any of my friends really have Twitter.
And Twitter is kind of like the main hub, or I should say X now, is like the main hub of where
everything D-Sai really occurs. So in that sense, it's not visible to these people who are using other
social media platforms.
So I really think that if there's a way that we can kind of move into other media platforms
and increase that visibility to this kind of younger generation, we can get more innovative
minds in.
And I think there's also a lot of opportunity as well to go to various institutions, universities
and schools and provide educational content.
you know, let the, let this like next generation know that, you know, there is a path called
D-SI and educate them about what D-Sai is, the problems that it solves, and why it's
something that they may consider. Because, you know, if...
I should say that I don't wish that I knew about D-Sy earlier because I feel like I found out pretty early relative to kind of the stage of my career that I was in.
But obviously, I wasn't there years ago when it was developed, but I really want to make sure that people know about it.
People know what it is and they know that they have an option to be in this niche if they want to.
Yeah, I think it's also really important to add here that, you know, many times it's been framed and maybe even I've participated in this sort of just ignorantly maybe.
But like it's not necessarily, and I think it's important for D-SignX, it's not necessarily framing this conversation as...
you know, D-SI versus trad-SI, or even as you're explaining here, it's not like, oh, they have to, you know, young founders or young scientists or whatever, have to choose between one path or another, but rather how the principles of D-SI can help to elevate and really, I think, rejuvenate the traditional science space. And Hannah, your story sort of aligns with that, where you found that,
while you were still desiring to practice science,
the sort of the traditional path just didn't fit with you.
Is that right in the way that I'm sort of framing that?
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, I did my degree in biomedical science,
and I worked in various labs,
and it was at that time where I was considering doing a PhD.
But I really struggled with the idea of doing a PhD
because I've also been...
kind of very entrepreneurial as well. I've always wanted to create my own project and innovate.
And the problem is when you're stuck doing a PhD for four or five years or even more in the US,
it really stifles innovation in my opinion. It's literally where ideas go to die because you're
stuck in the constraints of this traditional system. I'm not saying it's a bad thing and, you know,
just PhDs aren't for everyone. It wasn't for me as a person who wanted to
innovate and is really creative and wanted to build something and
So that's kind of what fueled my passion and desire when I found out about it because I was like, wow, this combines my love for science and also ability to contribute or innovate.
And that was really exciting to me.
And I think that's what makes it a very unique opportunity for people because they can get involved in science now in so many different ways.
And like you said, Andrew, it's not a battle between TradSai and D-Sy and, you know, you should choose D-Sy.
I mean, they're both great in their own ways, and it's just more so educating people about what D-Sy is so that they know that they have that opportunity if they desire to go down that route.
And I think also something that we've talked about a number of times is just even the opportunity to introduce science to the science.
sort of those who who maybe don't have that sort of access. And I think this next generation is a great
example of that. So let me just sort of expound upon that for a second. I mean, I think that when you get to
high school or even into middle school, there's sort of this track that you have to follow. And there's a very linear course.
that is required of you.
And yet, like we saw in technology,
where high schoolers, middle schoolers,
you know, they're experiencing in technology,
they're innovating with technology,
they're coding, they're writing, they're building,
and they're encouraged in that,
that same environment doesn't necessarily exist
today in the scientific community.
There isn't necessarily that idea of like,
Oh, you're young and innovative and creative.
Like, let's do it.
No, instead, the environment today is, okay, well, if you're interested in science,
then you have to go to school for 27 years and you have to give a lot of good ideas to other people
before you're able to start practicing yourself.
And I know that's a jaded view.
And I know Sean's listening and probably has a response to that.
But I think that for a lot of people, that's the way that they see it.
And if they aren't the smartest kid in their class, and if they don't get all good grades, and if they're not the valid Victorian, then they don't really have a place in science.
And I think what Hannah, your story brings to the table and what I hope next gen as a vision is able to do is it's able to empower those who may not fit the traditional model of science to be able to find their place in science and to be able to contribute.
And I think that's part of the scope here of what we're talking about, right?
Definitely, because we do need researchers in D-SI, right? And that, as it stands, requires the more traditional route. So we definitely need those people in Tradsai in order to contribute meaningfully to D-Sai. But at the same time, we also need all these other contributors, whether that's
you know, managing communities or being in working groups and BD or all these other aspects of DSI
where you can get involved in this kind of new movement of contributing to science and pushing science
forward in a different way. And that's what you're talking about, Andrew, which is like all these
other people that may not necessarily fit into the category of, you know, wanting to be in academia for a long time
or, you know, don't have those kind of credentials, but they can still be involved, which is a really exciting opportunity because, in my opinion, passion speaks louder than credentials.
And that's amalgamated in my own project, right?
Where I've worked extremely hard and...
I haven't gone through a PhD.
I do have a biomedical degree and I've worked in labs,
but I don't have a PhD.
I'm not a doctor,
but my passion has literally brought this project to life
and we're going to be accelerating peptide science
and we're already making great progress.
So, you know, I want to be able to inspire people
and empower them, like you said, Andrew, to explore this space at least, at the very least,
and make sure that they understand what it's about and kind of be that educational hub for DCI.
That's awesome. No, I think that's, that, that gets me so excited about the opportunity to be able to do that.
So, Aaron, you have been, you're, you've been in D-Sai for a long time, longer than, than probably most people on the call here.
You have, have been around a lot.
What is your sort of take on?
D-SI next. And how do you see D-SI really bridging the gap for a lot of these scientists coming from the next generation?
Definitely. So I might start this more broadly than just D-SI in the sense that
people need different communities or introductions to things that they really resonate
but that help bridge them into that next step.
That can be an individual person, that can be a community or a group, that can be some type
of a program, that can be a leader that they see themselves in.
And that's really needed to be able to...
have people feel that motivation or inspiration or pull to then keep taking those next steps forward
and D-Sign Next as a community and also the efforts on different platforms like TikTok
to be able to reach people where they're already at is really needed to be able to create that warm, welcoming invitation that people might actually
take up. So that's kind of point one in my mind of this really key and critical role that
Design X is playing is being this space that younger scientists, younger scientific innovators and founders
can resonate with, see themselves in Hannah's story and other people's story to be able to then
lean in and either join a group or watch a video or take that next opportunity and lean into what
my D-Sai look like for them. So I'm really excited for this kind of role to be filled and to be
addressing kind of these very early
career people that might be incredible contributors into design advancing science innovation forward.
So that's kind of one piece in my mind.
And then the next component is part of a broader conversation of just how might we
onboard people into DCI overall, help people find the different organizations that they most resonate with, find different roles that fit well for them, based on whatever other interests or factors that they might have in their life.
and be able to kind of help be stewards or shepherds as people keep taking those steps forward.
And that looks different for each person.
Some people might prefer articles, other videos, other whole DCI Fellowship program.
Others might like workshops, and that's why having different forms of educational onboarding DCI content, as well as invitation is really essential to
doing some of that connection building,
both within just scientists as well as broader groups as well,
other people might have a technical background or design or marketing or business,
community, so many different skill sets are needed to really push all these
incredible organizations and initiatives forward.
Absolutely. I think that there's just...
I think that this whole space, like,
teams with opportunity.
And when you think of opportunity,
you naturally think of the young, hopeful,
optimistic, perhaps naive perspective,
naive in a good way there,
of the next generation.
And I think that this really just speaks to that
in such a massive way.
You know, when I think about DISA next
and I think about about what's,
just sort of happening in the space.
You know, the challenge that I think exists today
is that the rate of innovation, just largely,
the rate of innovation is increasing to a, you know,
like a warp speed.
And it really requires the ability to be extremely adaptable.
And I think that that is a characteristic
that has been generally...
sort of historically known to be true of younger generations. The older we are, the more,
the more settled we are, the more comfortable we are, the less willing we are to change.
And we've invested so much time in a particular course and path. And we don't want anything to
undo all the work that we've done. And we see change and innovation as a threat to that.
And I think that really describes where science is at today.
We've come through this course of study, institutions today dominate the landscape.
You know, you have to go to the right school, you have to get the right degree, you have to
publish in the right papers, you have to belong to the right groups in order to get the right
opportunities.
And that sort of is that institutional framework.
And I think that is what sort of marks the landscape of science today.
And what D.Ci represents.
is not a, not a, not, not the desire to upend or to destroy, you know, the work of scientists over the last, you know, several hundred years.
It's not that that D.C.E.I exists to undo science. Rather, I think what it does is it frees, it frees science from the grasp of the institutions that exist today.
And it, and it returns it to its proper place in the hands of those who are most innovative.
And D.S.I provides a technology that provides that empowers that. So like when I when I think of D.C. I think of like, especially on a college campus. I think of the of someone who's in D.C. who say, who's a, you know, whatever. Just to take an example of a like bio major who.
who goes to the computer lab and works with a computer scientist and they together are developing things.
Whereas opposed to like maybe traditionally the bio team would sort of stay in their own little world and work on their own lab projects and do their own things and also figure out the computer piece.
I sort of see like D.Ci bridges the gap between these two worlds.
and makes technology cool in science and makes science cool in technology.
And I just sort of see as like these worlds all melding together,
especially with the advances of AI and other technologies.
And so I'm super,
super excited about the possibilities that exist.
Yeah.
When you combine next generation with new scientific models, with new funding mechanisms, with new research models, all of those things combined, create this, this amazing field of opportunity.
And, you know, I'm just excited to be able to explore that and and to be able to do that.
So, Hannah.
excited about what you're doing, excited about what you're building, and yeah,
would love to just sort of hear your thoughts on both what Aaron and I kind of weighed in on there.
Yeah, I love what you guys are saying. I mean, to first address what Aaron was saying as her
first point in...
kind of having like an embracing community, I will say that's literally what inspired me to
get involved in D-Sai. It was like as soon as I met everyone at these conferences and they were like,
yeah, get involved, come to this event and, you know, kind of helping me along and listening to
everyone and seeing how inspired they were by kind of,
this new technology and kind of new innovative thinking behind science.
And it was so exciting to see that.
And that's literally what inspired me, which it was the community.
And even to this day, you know, throughout building my project and
kind of getting to know the DCI community, everyone is incredible.
Everyone is so passionate, enthusiastic.
respectful and collaborative as well.
Everyone is so eager to collaborate on a part of their project,
which I absolutely love.
It's very rare, honestly.
And so I think that is such an important part to emphasize about D.Sai,
especially in trying to get the younger generation in
and getting them to understand more about the space.
That's definitely something that
is a really important aspect to DCI.
I'd also say like the irony is that we're actually doing this on X when I said that,
you know, we need to diversify and kind of create more content on other social media platforms,
which is being done.
But yeah, I think the other point you mentioned Andrew is kind of how DCI is not here to compete
with trad side.
It's...
It's evolution. It's an evolution of trans-sy. And evolution is only natural, right? And I'm, like, so excited that D-SI creates all these new solutions to all the problems that faced in people faced in Tradsai. I think...
it was only natural that we see like as scientists we see these problems in traditional science like
when i was working in the lab um uh kind of the the head of the lab was like never like she literally
never came in because she was she was always sending email saying sorry like i'm caught up like
evaluating grants and i think that's that's the common thread with a lot of research labs um
less time doing science more time evaluating grants which is really a shame
And it was only natural that something was going to emerge.
that tried to solve these problems.
And this is D.Sai.
And to be totally candid, I mean, D.Sai, of course, has its own problems.
It's still very nascent.
It's still in itself, D.Sai is evolving.
D.I is not only an evolution from TradSai, but D.C.
It's self is evolving.
And there are definitely parts of D.S.I.
That can do better, and we can, you know,
continue to iterate on like the Dow model that we have.
But I think that's also another exciting opportunity in D-Sai is that we have this ability
to iterate the model and to evolve the model, which does not, which is not really possible in
the constraints of Tradsai, right?
And, you know, having institutional barriers and all these credentials that are required,
whereas in D-Sai, there's a lot more flexibility to kind of,
reiterate on the model that we have, which is super exciting.
And I like that kind of flexibility because in also creating this D-Sy Next and next generation of scientists and innovators,
it allows them to have the flexibility to be more creative and bring their innovative minds to science instead of being stuck in Tad-Sai where they're not able to innovate to the same degree as in D-Sai.
So I think that's another really exciting opportunity.
Awesome. Totally agree with you.
And I, yeah, I think that these types of conversations need to occur.
Sean and I have talked about this, about like, these are the types of conversations that need to evolve in the public eye and in our communities.
And everyone needs to be able to be involved in them.
I think what you shared from your personal experience about just the, the, the,
amount of time, effort and energy that a, you know, advanced scientist has to spend simply on grants and funding is disproportionate to the amount of work that they are able to, you know, innovate and actually put forward. And so I think these new funding models are extremely important. But that perhaps is for a different day.
Yeah.
Anyway, super glad about that.
And Aaron, I'll turn it to you and maybe we can start to think about community members or others who might have some opportunity to engage with us here.
Definitely. I think we've covered a lot of the conversation that many of us in the DCI space are already thinking and talking on, and DCI Next is really starting to materialize some of that and bridge those connections. I do see we have one request up here, so...
Hannah, what are your thoughts on opening it up?
Otherwise, any additional points you want to touch on before we invite others in to join?
I think we had a pretty well-rounded in-depth conversation generally about DISA and also kind of what is...
D-Sai Next and kind of our vision.
So maybe we can kind of dive into having people up on the stage.
And, you know, you can share your project or your experience in D-Sai, whether you're a young
innovator in D-Sai or whether you're seasoned, maybe reflecting kind of on the spark that
first drew you into D-Sai and kind of hear your story.
If anyone wants to kind of have a chat about that.
feel free to request.
Yeah, I'd really love to hear what was that initial introduction.
EJ.U might have had into DISA, whether it's a post you saw or conversation, or just being
incredibly fed up with the current option of things within the traditional system and
a Google search to see if there's any other possible route instead.
I would love to hear some of those different stories,
and feel free to leave that as a comment down below
if you're not in a space where you can talk right now.
Otherwise, request the mic.
I'll send some out as well because I think X has been a little bit finicky today.
So...
Maybe to kick it off, Andrew, would love to hear some of your story and introduction into D.Syth.
Yeah. So I come from the tech side and have been, for the last several years, involved in Web 3 on the sort of on the infrastructure building and technology side.
And on a recent project, I was working around keeping data private and secure and programmable on chain.
and ended up talking to a number of D-Side projects and was sort of like what Hannah said,
just sort of like drawn in by the excitement and passion and energy,
and also like the real-world application of these technologies.
For a long time, we worked in a number of projects that just didn't have any real-world
application outside of like just facilitating other DGens doing DGen type stuff.
And so was really excited to find an opportunity to talk to folks who were working in
something that was meaningful and impactful.
And so yeah, just from that point forward just started like talking about the space and networking
with other people and and slowly just began to.
you know, network and, and create something.
And I realized, like, you know, there needs to be opportunities to be able to facilitate
these things.
We started the DSI Alliance.
And that now is almost to a thousand members.
And so excited about that, excited to see that that audience growing there.
And then, you know, out of the first initiative, our first initiative comes the D.Sai Next,
which is like just sort of a natural organic extension of the mission, which is, you know, to bring founders, funders and friends of DSI altogether into community and to enable them to speak.
And so, yeah, this has been a...
progression, I think, of sort of one vision. And it's, it's just been growing and growing and
multiplying as we've gone along. So, I'm excited about what's, what's to come next.
Absolutely love that. It's so great to hear what inspired you and Desai and kind of your story and your background.
We have a lot of speakers up here which is great. I think Pamela was the first person to come up. So do you want to introduce yourself Pamela and welcome to the stage? And then based on that we can kind of ask you some questions and we can dive a little deeper.
Hello Hannah, thank you. No no worries. I just comment below because I have to jump to another call.
But only I want to add that I really agree with all that you guys say and also encourage everyone to participate in local events
in your countries to talk about design and all the movement and all the projects that you have in your own and also other projects that are carrying out into this ecosystem.
For example, here is Crypto Realm, is another design leader here in Mexico, so maybe he can introduce himself.
Yeah, basically that. I want to encourage everyone to talk about this in the local events.
Here in Mexico, we are participating in Etta Cinco de Mayo, and also we have some conferences in universities like UNAM.
And we stopped the dissemination in Puebla because there is an student strike, but we are going to start with a cohort.
In Muse Matrix, it's all about blockchain and this I, and also we are going to deep dive into programming to the apps for this eye.
So it's amazing and it's exciting to start this.
And also, thanks to learning for this opportunity because she was my teacher.
So, yeah, basically is all that I want to say for now.
And have a nice day, everyone. Thank you.
Oh, that's so great to hear. Thank you so much for supporting our initiative.
And yeah, local events are definitely so important.
That's really cool that you're organizing all of this in Mexico.
I think the more widespread we are, the better.
So absolutely love that.
And also what you're doing with the universities.
So good luck.
Sean, do you want to give a little intro?
Sure.
Sure, and this is great, Hannah.
What you're describing, I think is awesome.
Some of the things that I've tried to capture for the time that I've been in,
D-Ci, before we called it that, blockchain and science.
But I think you're doing the hardest part, which science is critical and coding is critical,
but community building is the most critical thing and it's the hardest thing to do,
which is why a lot of times people don't do it.
scientists and engineers alike are oftentimes very
bad at community building. And that's one of the things I think has slowed both trad
side and D.I. But I'm Sean Mannion. I'm a neuroscientist by training. I worked in the U.S.
federal government for a long time on science and science policy. I got myself in a lot of trouble by
bringing up blockchain for scientific research in 2017. Got hauled in front of the government lawyers.
Things did not go well for me. It was a bad word. I actually got a
an email one time that told me to stop talking about block gain,
which was kind of fun because they couldn't even get the word right.
They had no idea what was going on.
But I've always been sort of atypical as a scientist
within the traditional scientific community.
And so for me, I saw a lot of value in how new tools,
blockchain Web3, could be brought to bear
to improve a lot of the challenges of traditional science.
At the same time, there's...
different directions that engineering moves and how it can validate and verify whether something works or not,
versus in the biomedical sciences that takes a long time and different types of validation and different types of
longitudinal consensus over time and integration with other evidence and evidence grading.
And so these processes do not move in the same direction.
And so getting them to wed together has been a,
almost decade long effort by me.
And I'm extremely excited over the past,
you know, I would say nine months,
but that it really seems to have come back in a big way
and DCI has.
So I'm very happy to see it.
I'm hopeful that we can guide things together that, you know,
I appreciate the problems with traditional science, and I tell my traditional science friends all the time,
and they think I'm some weird lunatic who's playing video games or something.
They have no idea what I'm doing.
And at the same time, I talk to some people in the D-Sai community, and they think I'm a staunch supporter of the Trad-Sai way.
And neither of these things are true, but they both have an element of truth to them.
I think differently than the average Trad-Sai person, but at the same time, I...
If we're doing D-SI as opposed to D-Science fiction or D-Fi only, we need to understand what
elements of science we are trying to keep. Science is nothing more than a process to weed out
noise and amplify signal in the knowledge that we gain as a society. How that's done has changed
over millennia, but over the last 300 years, we've had a specific academic approach that has
been pretty successful until it got relatively corrupted about 70 years ago when we had
a wide expansion of it. A lot of
money went into it, the publishing industry started to become for profit and a much different
thing that it had been before. And that last 70 years has degraded the product. And I think what
D-SI can do is bring back that optimization of science. And I think, I think, um,
disintermediation needs to happen not simply at the institutional level where a lot of the problems are,
but also at the PI level and nothing against individual principal investigators.
But Hannah, like you said, I mean, my post-doctoral advisor was one of the best, she was one of the best patch planpers in, you know, anywhere at the time that I went to work for.
And she never got back to the rig again.
She simply sat there doing grants all the time.
She was very good at that too.
So, you know, kudos to her for being awesome in two different ways.
But it's, we've piled too many tasks in what has become a more complex environment on that single entity.
And I think this intermediation of the PI allows you to have a lot more people involved in science.
and a lot more ways that people can contribute on the parts that they like,
but with the appropriate process guardrails to make sure we're not just throwing snake oil out there,
the general public and calling it science because it's got a clever name to it or a meme coin attached.
And I think that...
capturing what we have used as a society for a long time in science and in trad-SI, but then
amplifying it and optimizing it with the new tools and the new approaches and the new individuals
we have is probably the best we can aim for. So awesome work you're doing and love these
conversations. So thanks.
Yeah, I absolutely love that kind of opinion on the bridging of tradsi and DCI.
And I think it's really interesting how you've experienced firsthand, like how slow the validation process can be.
So super interesting.
Thank you so much for your insights.
I'd also love to know, Sean.
How do you see kind of the blockchain and the decentralized technologies actually speeding up this scientific validation and collaboration, especially when you said, like, traditional methods can take a decade almost to integrate new tools?
It is the case that.
It's going to take time and I think trying to accelerate it into 10 years to one year immediately is going to raise eyebrows, raise red flags and probably not give you a viable alternative.
I'm not saying it can't be done, but it's going to be a huge leap.
You know, if you think you can fly, jump out of the first floor window before you jump off the roof.
That's...
what I think we can do is start to integrate pieces
that have been working in different areas,
both as pilots and demonstrations.
That can be with funding,
alternatives to publishing and peer review,
but make sure you're keeping the
connection to the existing system so that you don't try and create a secondary system that's going to have to go through all the growing pains that took a thousand years to figure out for the current system.
And identifying some of the areas where the flaws are rather than wholesale changing all of it. I've broken down
what I call the layers of trust in biomedical science to get from data to to
you know implementation of a evidence-based practice or tool in in the hospital and
having those or something like that be targets for where we can apply
what I call automated complex information processing which is AI and automated
governance compliance which is
which is blockchain, which can also be layered at multiple layers
to add incentivization layers.
And that's a different economic and behavioral change aspect
that needs to come into play.
And so not trying to do everything at once,
but instead trying to identify
areas that we have systems that can just be planted on,
areas where with modification, we can attempt new models,
and then areas where it might take different ways of thinking about it.
And so breaking everything down into small pieces and tackling small pieces,
sometimes simultaneously, but not, you know, not of, you know,
to steal the term large language model.
I mean, the human brain works with...
46 or more different subsystems that we test in most cognitive testing.
So a single system trying to do 46 different things in a large language model is not the best approach,
which is why we might be plateauing.
But science itself is multiple of these integrated systems, integrated again into institutions into...
processes that take time. And so thinking about either the application of automation with regard to the
information processing or application of the information with or application of automated
governance in in blockchain or DSI should be broken into pieces as well. We're not going to need
one DSI program that's going to
do all of science. I mean, the governance structure in publishing, the governance structure in
publishing for physics versus publishing for biomedicine, the publishing, the evidence-based
structure for cardiovascular research versus neurological research, all of these have slightly
different governance structures. So selecting the right governance that's then programmed in the
requirements into
the system that's built is going to be key.
And that's where community comes into play.
Bringing science-minded people and science,
scientists and science-adjacent individuals,
librarians and whatnot together to get those requirements right
to make sure the build is a build that gives us what we want,
not just a build that is different than the current
is, I think, going to be critical.
So breaking into pieces and starting with the scientists
and the requirements for the science and its requirements first.
Yeah, I actually wholeheartedly agree with that.
You have to kind of have one foot in each pond because we still need, you know, the infrastructure and scientists that traditional science produces.
But then we can kind of leverage the...
the kind of solutions that DCI provides and, you know, this collaboration and funding and connecting
researchers directly to these funders and kind of have DCI facilitate kind of the scientific rigor
and what bridges the two is the community. So yeah, really, really love that perspective.
I think it's super interesting. Thank you so much for chatting, Sean.
Andrew, did you want to say something?
I was just going to mention, Sean also is doing some building, some community building as well.
Sean, do you want to mention the Discord, I think, that you guys have built and are doing some work with?
Certainly, yeah. I'm kind of involved in several different projects.
And one of the more recent ones is in response to in the US, a lot of,
challenges within science.
I went to in-person meet up here in Pittsburgh yesterday,
and out of 30 people, I think six of the 30 that I talked to,
had just lost their jobs in the past couple of weeks,
and they were all bio or biotech related.
So we are creating,
We weren't going to launch the company until we're not really fully launching the company until the fall, Praxis Science,
but we've set up a place called Terminus. It's currently a Discord channel, and there's a, there's a poll that you can take on the website that I've just placed in the chat,
scroll down for the poll, scroll up to find the Discord channel, where we're attempting to take scientists that have been displaced or disheartened or disrupted and give them a
a place for community, we're asking what they need, we're finding things to help them find jobs,
things to help them develop new stuff. We're teaching trad-SI about DCI in this place.
It's not a DCI place itself, but we have a DCI channel in the community there because the
education is something that takes time. And so Terminus is the name of the place. We're going to start
meetups in Pittsburgh. And as that model develops, we're going to expand to different US cities
maybe internationally.
Terminus comes from Asimov's Foundation series,
for those who know, it was the end of the line planet
where the first foundation was started.
So just because things look grim or look like they're at the end,
doesn't mean it's not the beginning of something new.
So Terminus, the link to the website is in the chat.
Come join us if you're interested.
We're still developing, so it isn't a thriving place yet.
But Hannah, I'd love to talk to you sometime
about how we can join forces and align in some ways.
Definitely. I absolutely love the reference to Asimov. I think that's super cool.
And yeah, Sean definitely like link the Discord link to this space. That would be great.
So we all have access to that. It's great what you're doing. I think community building is so, so important.
So thank you for doing that. Ed, you have your hand up. Was there something that you wanted to say?
Yeah, I'm a very old guy in science, and one of the things I've seen over the years is sort of the erosion of the why in science.
It's been taken over by the power in science.
And, you know, in the health world, I mean, I come in from agriculture where we're creating paradigm shifts.
Instead of looking at sick care of on our farm, we're looking at really going back to health care and
I found the same erosion in healthcare.
And we, you know, the power says, okay, you have a sickness, so we create a treatment.
And then we demand trust through power of our science and of which trust in science is kind of a weird term.
Because if you aren't willing to look back and go, what were we thinking and change your idea?
It's not science.
But my biggest hope is that we can get into, I so enjoy discussions of why.
Why is this happening?
Not how do we just solve it with a treatment?
Because that's been our problem.
We have so many people that are so sick now and it just gets worse and worse because it's all about sick care.
It's not about health.
What is health?
Understanding health.
Why? Why are we sick? That's what I'm really hoping is the big why is the biggest thing I've seen erode from the system.
And I think that in your youth, that's what you do when you're very young.
Why is this? What is this? It's curiosity. Being willing to look back and say what I was thinking was wrong.
In agriculture, we've realized just about everything we thought 50 years ago,
it was completely 180 degrees wrong.
And that's invigorating as you get old to realize that you can solve your mistakes from your past
by just keeping questioning.
It's not the power of science.
I see that's the biggest problem.
And the overuse and the abuse of the word trust
Perfect example, safe and effective.
What a bad idea that is.
So anyway, I'll land it there.
No, I totally agree and we have to be asking these questions. Why? I mean, I don't know why this came up in my brain automatically, but I was just thinking of like the big shore and how, you know, the 2008 crash and no one really questioned, you know, why, what's being done and how it led to a massive economic collapse.
and it's because no one really asked why.
They just kind of went with it and kind of just assumed that these, like, you know, housing, mortgage bonds are just incredible.
But I think, yeah, I mean, growing up always at school and throughout university, I was always that person that asked why.
And how as well.
How is also important.
But, you know, a lot of the healthcare system, like you said, Ed, is kind of oriented towards treating disease rather than preventing.
Right.
preventing disease because, you know, insurance companies don't reimburse pharma companies for
anything that's related to preventative treatments. So there's not that kind of economic incentive.
And economic incentives are what drive pharmaceutical companies and biotech companies to kind of
create the drugs that are creating or look at a specific field of healthcare that they're in.
And I think that's where...
D-SI has that differentiator.
You know, we're not driven by economic incentives.
It's about, you know, what the community wants and the passion of the community and trying
to accelerate science no matter the field.
So, yeah, I'm hoping that, you know, we'll also shift in TradSai so that we can work
collaboratively with TradSai in this kind of whole context of preventative care.
You know, that's why we're also doing peptide Dow, because we really want to focus on these
peptides that are being utilized in health optimization and longevity, which is something
that, you know, big farmers not...
not researching and not looking into because they're just so focused on these kind of high margin
blockbuster drugs like glp1 agnes which are also peptides so um hopefully we'll start moving into
a new era where preventative medicine starts to be more more researched and preventing disease
i mean there's already like biohackers everywhere that that are starting this whole movement
And, you know, let's see what happens also with the institutional changes in the U.S.
on that front in terms of health care.
So, yeah, always curious and excited to see what the future holds.
Andrew, you have any takes on this?
Oh, man, do I have takes on this?
There's so many things to say about this.
But, Ed, I think you bring up an amazing point, which is that with AIDS comes experience.
And I think the power of that is that you're able to, with some objectivity, that perhaps immaturity doesn't lend you, see clearly.
And exactly what you're...
Andrew? I don't know if anyone else can't hear him or if that's just me.
Yeah, I can't hear him either.
I lost his audio as well.
The last 30, 40 seconds, I guess.
Maybe he dropped...
In the meantime, I would love to hop over to the last son of Krypton if you are able to share a bit about your story of how you got into D-Sai or any additional thoughts throughout the conversation today.
Yeah, that works. Can you hear me?
Yes, welcome.
Okay, yeah. So I'm good day everyone. I'm Daniano Fuerme. I'm nice to be here with everyone. So I got into Dissai in 2021 and it was a funny story. So I was scrolling on Twitter because I'm always chronically online.
And I saw a post from Paul, Pognos of Molecule and Biococryor.
And he was like, there's this new Dow and we're looking for members to join,
people who would like to contribute.
I saw that tweet and then I took the tweet.
I sent a DM to him and I was like, oh, this is me, this is my background.
Back then I was still in school.
I think I was in like 300 or 400 level.
Yeah, 300 level, I think, yeah.
So I sent a message to him and it was like, oh, sounds good.
I'm going to like, you know, you should contact Stefan.
Stefan was the working group Stewart then.
and I got to talk to him and we had like a call and then he told me this is how it is
you could stay and see for two weeks if it's something you like but if it's not it's
good and fine but safe to see I stayed and I pretty much got into the
ecosystem and then while being a contributor at the coordination working group
I got to like know about like other people in the
in the space, see projects come up and what the central life science is all about.
And then in 20, all the central life science is all about. Then in 2022,
I got to say that, oh, you know, while I was meeting people,
online in the Dysai ecosystem.
A lot of people around my side didn't really know what D.Sai was all about.
And most times when I see D.Sai, I'm pretty much the first person who, you know, speaks about it and who makes them like have to explain for them to understand what Dissai is all about.
And so I said to start Dissai Africa because I'm based in Nigeria here and then
The goal of DISA Africa is to spread the awareness of the centralized science across Africa.
So we try to make educative articles, we go to conferences that happen around and try to hold talks and workshops around what D.Sai is all about.
So that has been my interesting journey in D.C.
In here, you know, the buzz that happened last year, it was, you know, due to CZ and Vitalik, you know, D.S. was going off.
Everybody was now talking about Dissai, Settles in treads and, you know, more people talking about Dissan.
I was a little interesting. I was like, oh, because, you know, Dice has always been like a very niche.
sector when it comes to Web 3, it's not the very popular place to be, but I strongly believe in the mission and division and what this eye opens up to, the opportunities opens up to for the everyday scientists and even the everyday students trying to navigate the traditional science and all. So yeah, happy to be here.
Yeah, that's great.
I mean, it's incredible what you've done with D-Sai Africa.
I mean, the more people that know about D-Sai, the better.
So thank you for spreading the word and for sharing kind of how you got into D-Sai.
Is there anyone else who would like to speak?
I know that we have, Ed, who was in conversation with Andrew,
but he's, I think, having some technical difficulties.
So when Andrew comes back, I'll have him take the stage and kind of...
finished what he was talking about regarding what Ed was saying.
In the meantime, when earth, do you want to kind of introduce yourself?
If not, we can move on to someone else.
Hey, hi.
Yeah, I just want to be sure I was the one you called up.
I thought you mentioned Ed.
Yeah, go ahead.
Feel free to take the stage.
Yeah, why don't you introduce yourself?
Okay.
All right, thank you very much.
So my name is Anna Ilechuku and from Nigeria.
My friend here is the last son of Krypton.
Great to see him here.
I think actually started on the discussion of him speaking on the space.
That's why I joined in.
So yeah, I'm a contributor to Selo Africa Dale.
So I work with Selo.
that have been building in the ecosystem for some time now.
But as I said that, I got to realize that this I actually exist.
And it was actually a fun thing to discover that and realize that there's an ecosystem for,
you know, web three edges in the science space.
So I started doing some basic research and, you know, I realized that, okay, there are some
persons who are running some research, engagement activities and, you know, getting support from,
from uh you know the desire ecosystem entirely and you know it's really super interesting right and um
for me i feel like they actually they're actually very few persons who know about this i and i actually
love the work that uh the last amount of krypton is doing at this africa um you know pushing forward
the the message message and all that so i just want to ask um a few questions regarding uh
decide and um
you know, what it accepts. So I have a community that focuses on veterinary medicine, and they have interest in
you know, growing their efforts in terms of education, further research, and, you know, learning, basically.
So I wanted to know if there are other existing communities focused on veterinary medicine in DISA as well,
doing something similar. So maybe I could, like, get in connection with them and get to see, you know,
what they do and, you know, how they do what they do. So, yeah, thank you.
I'm not personally aware of any kind of D-Sy project solely dedicated to vet med, but Erin, do you know of any?
Or am I right in saying that there isn't one?
There's one person working on...
related to animals, I think, starting with dogs in particular,
some different more longevity types of interventions.
Let me see if I can grab a link from that organization.
A guy named Tristan is the leader of that.
So that would be the first thing that's kind of coming to my mind.
Yeah, the DAO is called Dog Years Dow.
They don't have much public right now, but based on convos with him, he has a lot of exciting things in the work.
He might be a good resource to then learn about other, like, vet-related.
Did you mean vet as an animal or as in like veteran?
Sorry.
Okay.
Veterinary medicine. So in animals, public health. And yeah, so I'll love if you could like type the handle of the Tao in the chat box. So maybe I can follow up from there. Definitely. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you.
Yeah, I feel like this is a great example of how different people have different sub-interest
within the broader spectrum of science and scientific innovation, as well as health,
whether that's human health, animal health, planetary health, and building those connections
is so needed to be able to just drive...
different opportunities for advancing these projects forward.
Sean, go ahead.
I just wanted to mention this was going back two or three years.
My former company had a couple day long,
sort of session with a major pharma company.
I don't think anyone cares if I say it now,
so it was Böhringer-Ingleheim.
And they were interested in a lot of the blockchain solutions
for human medical records that we were talking about.
And in the dialogue, they also had a veterinary
sciences area and we never got the funding and never got the chance to explore that area.
But the discussion we had over dinner was that, you know, the regulatory burden is much lower.
And so exploration in...
that area in veterinary sciences as a model for what you could do in human health is actually
sort of a way to accelerate some of the applications that would require a higher regulatory burden in humans.
So I just remember that conversation.
I don't know if they've pursued it separately.
Our company ran in a runway, so that isn't something that we're doing right now.
But it came to mind with that question.
Yeah, super interesting.
Hopefully that helps address any of the questions regarding VetMed.
Trey, was there something that you wanted to add?
You want to introduce yourself?
Yeah, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, the host.
Yeah.
the co-host and then the whole speakers and then less you know jim everyone yeah actually um came
into this place lately and then i loved um what uh was it um scan sage yeah i think um what come my attention
when he was talking about this side was
what he said, we'll be looking towards the cause of problems before solving the problems.
Yeah, I think that's a very great idea. That's a very nice idea.
Yeah, I just saw my idol in this space and I decided to join and then
amazingly I made something cool like this yeah this is very nice yeah you keep seeing
new things in the ecosystem yeah you keep seeing new things in the space which is
really really nice and then this I caught my attention now I would like to be
part of this great innovation that's okay shout out to you guys what you guys are
doing is very nice this is my first time hearing you do but caught my attention I
really want to be part and the contributor to this kind of um
innovation okay um daniel i don't know daniel i don't know dana please can you give an emoji
danelle the african contributor sorry dan is he here yeah okay okay okay i'll be following you now yeah
we'll be following you now and then i'll be um giving you a dm so i will talk more and you pull me through
more on this side what decide is on then what is um all about so i will get to know how to contribute to
decide thank you very much no problem at all
Amazing. Yeah, you guys should definitely connect. That makes me so happy that we're, you know, bringing people together and helping raise awareness about D-Sai. So this is literally what it's all about. So you guys definitely connect, work together, get involved, spread the word. And yeah, super excited about the space of D-Sai. So, Andrew, now that you're back, did you want to finish talking about kind of your perspective on what Ed was talking about?
Yeah.
Ah, man, I was, I was about to just, like, really go off on a big rant and be philosophical and everything.
But, no, no, it's all good.
I just appreciate it.
the various fields of science that also were able to talk about.
So of agriculture, to vet, bio, it's like all these things are really awesome.
And it's an amazing thing that we have a platform to be able to speak into those fields.
So I was going to make that a much longer and more poetic sounding rant, but that's basically where I was going.
No, that's totally fair.
you were kind of in the flow and then you got disrupted, so I get it.
If there's anyone else that wants to kind of add anything, any final comments,
or if you're just a listener and you have some input,
you want to ask any questions about DCI or DCI Next,
or just want to introduce yourself and talk about your project, you're welcome on stage.
Otherwise, if that's it, are there any final remarks, Erin and Andrew, and we can start wrapping up the space?
Sean? Yeah, go ahead.
So just one last comment, I think I'm remembering from some of the stuff that I've seen before and some of the dialogue here.
Outreach from the D-Side community to the TradSide community is actually something that takes very well in 2017.
I had a company called Science Distributed back in 2017 through 2019 before I had to shut it down.
That
effort was me as a PhD, a TradSai friend of mine who was an NIH program manager as a PhD,
a PhD dropout friend of mine and she had gotten her master's and gotten out.
And then the guy who taught me about blockchain, who, you know, he did his undergrad and
then he opened a bar and hosted a D-Sy meetup.
started or I hope so hosted a Bitcoin meetup started in like 2015.
So he never was was in science.
He just kind of understood systems.
But we we together presented at the Society for Neuroscience meeting,
which is a 30,000 person conference.
probably the first blockchain and neuroscience formal presentation that ever occurred at that meeting.
We had a, Lauren, she was the one who presented it, and I stood by, and we just had a nonstop flow of people for four hours at our poster.
And then we had, on off the books, we didn't have $2,000 for an official event, but we held a what we call brain chain event that evening at a we work space that we had gotten access to.
And we had 125 people show up, even though, you know,
There was no free refreshments.
There was nothing.
People were just excited about it and seeing things different.
Meanwhile, I went to, you know, this is in 2017, I went to the publisher's row and I talked
to them about it and they were like, who the heck are you, get out of here with your weird
ideas.
But a lot of the younger people at that conference were extremely excited about it.
And I hope some of them continue to pursue it.
So I think that those of you who have connections with,
different fields and different areas of trad side,
taking the D-Side message to those groups.
And Hannah, what you were saying with TikTok is very true.
I teach undergraduates now and I'm using TikTok as an area
we can build up a neuroscience library on sort of
demonstration videos or instructional videos rather than just rely
on Wikipedia and stuff that's on the web.
And I think bringing these
ideas to a broader community rather than waiting for them to come to it is going to be far more effective.
So I wanted to send that out as like a community message, last word.
So yeah, thank you for having this discussion.
Aaron and Andrew as always and Hannah for hosting today.
Yeah, thank you so much, Sean. I mean, I agree with what you're saying. You can build an incredible project or even an ecosystem like D.Sai, but if you can't bring it to the people, then you're not going to get much traction. So it's really important to bring DSI to people to help educate them. And I think it's great what you're doing in the community building field. So thank you.
Is that anyone else?
No, Neffi join.
Yeah, I was about to single him out.
Yeah, awesome.
Yeah, let's get him on.
Yeah, come join.
I've invited you to speak.
See if X allows this to happen.
Honestly, yeah, I'm not sure if it works sometimes or if it doesn't.
Like, you can't see on your end.
No, I know. It like almost never works.
Nephi, if you can hear, like request to speak, we'd love to get you on the stage here.
Well, in the meantime, while we're waiting, we'd love to have NFY join.
But maybe, Erin, do you want to touch on for people just for like educational purposes,
how they can kind of get involved in D.Sai?
You know, how contributors can get involved.
Yeah.
For anyone out there, Erin is like the knowledge of all D-SI, by the way.
She constantly knows like what's the latest in D-Sai, what's going on.
And she has other projects that kind of facilitate educational content and D-Sai.
So maybe Erin, you want to tell people how they can get involved.
Yeah, happy to.
So one option is invite people to these spaces.
It's every Wednesday at 12 p.m. Eastern Time, as well as we have a space every Friday focused
on D-Syb, what did you get done this week.
So whatever projects you're working on, whether that's a research project, maybe something
in the data or Web3 space that has overlap with D-SI, or
or it's a pure D-SI project.
That's a space for you to share updates
to the broader community,
so we can stay updated as we're meeting different people,
build those connections to create the collaborations
needed to really help advance all of these good projects forward.
So first invitation would be to come back
every Wednesday, 12 p.m. Eastern time, as well as Friday, we're kind of still playing around with what time works best across different time zones.
So that one's a little bit fluctuating on the time, but every Friday as well.
Also, there are a ton of other awesome D-Sy spaces throughout the week.
So go, like...
Just search for D-Sy in different spaces that are posted.
And I know I was scrolling through this morning, and there are just so many spaces happening all the time.
So those are great places to build connections, as well as...
dive into other topics or different progress.
Other ecosystems and projects are making too.
So that's one invitation on the digital side of things.
I guess another invitation on the digital side would be for Muse Matrix.
Cohort three applications are open now.
Pamla, who is on earlier,
and,
briefly mentioned about that.
If you're interested in getting involved there, which is a
six-week-long D-Sai educational series to get up to speed on what is D-Sai, what are challenges in science, what are opportunities with some of this technology, and then followed by four months of project incubation and really being able to be onboarded as a core contributor in the ecosystem.
Those applications are open right now.
If you have questions, feel free to send a DM to the account here,
D-SyMyke, or search at Muse Matrix underscore on X.
And we can get you plugged in or answer any questions there.
it's I'm really happy to see so many of the fellows who have gone through that program
now be core team members at many of the different leading DCI projects as well as co-founding
DCI projects themselves so I would highly encourage checking checking that out and seeing if that
feels aligned for what your interests or needs are
getting deeper into D-Sai, or if you've been trying to pill someone on D-SI, get them into the ecosystem,
this could help take some of that educational onboarding lift off your shoulders as well,
which is why it was originally designed.
So many different DAVs and D-SI projects and D-Sai leaders in the space,
we're doing all of this...
kind of tedious manual work of trying to get people educated and up to speed on what D.S.I is exactly
or how to get involved. And this is an attempt to try and build some of that community and connection
to help people really feel like they can take those next steps forward and find their place in the ecosystem.
So...
D.S.I. Mike spaces, other ecosystem spaces, Muse Matrix Fellowship, those are a few different digital options. And then there are also a ton of in-person events coming up, too. This Friday, there's an event in San Francisco, this Sunday, an event in L.A. And then D.C.L. London is coming up on April 12th and 13th, paired with another conference focus.
exactly on this topic of the next generation of builders and contributors in
Descience Science. That will be in London as well. I think there should be like 400 students there.
So hopefully we'll see a good influx of younger energy coming into the space after that.
There's also an event that Beard AI is hosting, I think, at...
possibly somewhere in Poland.
So check out their account.
I know they posted about that recently.
In Berlin,
bio has an event on bioagents and a hackathon kicking off soon.
That's the beginning of April 2.
And then probably just be on the lookout for cool D-SI tracks and events at Switzerland and a bunch of other pop-up cities coming up throughout the rest of this year, too.
So there's so much cool stuff going on.
Oh, in Boston as well with the Orsi Hub.
So there's so many ways to get involved.
And if you know someone who might even have a small curiosity on D.Sai, these events and gatherings are a great way to help create some of that excitement, help them feel connected in.
And so we'll hopefully see them contributing to other projects in the future, too, or leading one of their own.
So...
Those are a few different recommendations or options for people to get more deeply involved in DSI.
Or if you're in this space...
these are all opportunities and spaces for you as well. It's not only exclusive to newcomers.
I guess the only one might be Muse Matrix DISA Fellowship, but if you're already established in the space,
there are a lot of great mentorship opportunities there. So still ways to get involved and get connected.
Am I missing anything, Andrew, Hannah? Anyone else up here?
I think you covered most of it there.
So yeah, definitely.
Trey, you have something to add to that.
Yeah, yeah, I have something to say.
You said, you keep mentioning different things you have with this friend's very for this.
I've not heard you talk about Africa.
Like, are we excluded?
Come on. Look at Africa.
Are there any events you know of going on in Africa?
I would love to include them on the D-Sai calendar.
I just haven't seen any hosted recently there.
So if you know of some, please, please let us know.
Yeah, there's an account called D-Sai Africa,
and I know we've had them on one of our spaces before,
but we should check out their account and see what's there.
Maybe we can network with them there too.
Yeah, because I think, Erin, you have a Luma calendar, right, from Muse Matrix that kind of lists all the upcoming DSI events.
So if there are any involved with DSI Africa, we can get those onto the list.
Yeah, and a lot of these events I was mentioning, like...
There weren't any listed in South America, in Australia, or Oceania, or...
I don't think any in Asia right now, and to push DSI forward, each of us need to, like, contribute ourselves.
And if you're in one of these locations where you aren't currently seeing DSI events happening, that's also an opportunity for you to host one of these events.
And if you're here right now, you're qualified to do that.
So I would love to extend that invitation to you as well, try to host an event in Africa.
Let us know.
We'll get it listed on the calendar, help share that out at upcoming spaces.
Every Friday as well is an opportunity to share those different upcoming events as well as different project updates.
So, yes, that's another invitation for those of us already in the space.
That's great. This has been awesome. I'm really excited about this initiative and Hannah really excited about your leadership in it and looking forward to how Desi Next is going to grow. I think one of the things that we should say is just join the community that's on X.
for D-Sign Next.
You can join there,
collaborate there if you know young founders
or you know people going through the space
or applicable here in this genre.
Please tag them, let them know about the space,
invite them to come.
And there'll be a lot more opportunities
to participate and join as we go forward.
So guys, thank you so much for hosting this today
and doing all this stuff and inviting me to speak.
Yeah, thank you so much. Andrew. I think we managed to grab Niffie. You're up on stage. Finally, I think we had some problems, technical issues with Twitter spaces. How are you?
I'm good. Thank you so much for inviting. I think X is rugging a lot today.
I personally tried hosting a space and it was rugging like crazy.
Yeah, I'm glad. I'm here. Super excited for you, Hannah.
And of course, thank you to Erin and Andrew for, you know, hosting you.
Yeah, I think Andrew had some problems as well.
Like X was rugging him and he was lost for a while, so don't worry.
Well, it's great to have you join.
We're wrapping up, but, you know, before we say our goodbyes,
I know that you're at med school and that you're like a young mind in this space,
whether that's in crypto and DCI, which is totally awesome because I am too.
So it's nice to have you here.
We've kind of been having a very organic conversation.
I mean, we kind of addressed what DCI next is.
you know, what is the vision and kind of having discussion on that. And then we invited people up to
just kind of share their thoughts, how they got into D.Cai. So maybe Nafi you can kind of touch on
how you got into DECI, like what sparked your journey into entering this niche and kind of how
you feel as like a young person in this space, what's your opinion on it and how you think that,
you know, we can...
get other young people to get interested in D-Sai and kind of have them come join.
Absolutely. I think first of all, I personally joined the space. To be honest, I was not aware of D-Sai as such.
I was just a, I would say, crypto native guy, you know, just reply guying my way through it.
And I think biohacker Dow was the first, I would say D-Sai Dow.
I actually got introduced, you know, to host faces and to reply guy for him.
And at that time, I was not even aware of D-Sai.
But I think after that, it was that investor and I think it was William.
And they were hosting it from World's.
space and they were hosting on the DISA and I was like bro this is crazy and you know it kind of made a lot of sense to me because I was always uh me being in med school I was always confused that you know I'm doing crypto at the one one side and you know going to met school on the other it was very crazy but yeah I think after that it was interesting I joined molly queue them as well and you know hosting spaces ever since
It's definitely a very interesting, I would say, point of time because other, you know, a lot of other blockchins are kind of opening up.
Earlier, it was just like if you want to start a project, you kind of have to, you know, just do it on molecule or kind of do it on Ethereum or limited.
There was only limited scope. But now when I see it, I think there's a lot of scope.
for young researchers like you, Hannah,
I think there's a lot of scope as well.
Even if you are in your master's,
there's still a lot of scope.
Like for example, in Athena Dau,
I see Athena Dau, you know, onboarding a lot of girls
that are in their masters, PhDs,
and they can actively contribute and they can, you know,
if not anything, they can get some tokens in their native,
I would say,
tokens and i think it's a great opportunity to be honest because let's be honest every anyone
studying masters or even if in phd i think that most of the people are slightly low on cash
once we honest and i think dica can be of course i won't say it's a you know i won't say it's just
a opportunity to flip or just make money but i would definitely say if you can contribute
Well, like for example, research hub, I think there are a lot of paid reviews opportunity more or less daily.
So if you can, you know, contribute there.
It's a pretty easy job.
You know, you just have to give a review paper, which people usually do it for free.
So if you can use those skills, and yeah, I think it's here.
like Andrew, Erin and everyone else, I think are very supportive.
That's the best part.
And yeah, I think it's a super great opportunity.
I really wish good luck to all of the young people here.
Yeah, that's amazing. I'm so glad that you kind of fell into D-Sai and I'm glad that, you know, we met each other last year at which conference was it? I'm trying to remember. I went to so many last year. I think it's deafcon, Devcon. It's like, it's all a blur.
But yeah, I absolutely love what you're doing.
I'm so glad that you're always talking about crypto and DCI and hosting these spaces.
I think it's a great way to really raise awareness and kind of bring more people into the space.
You also do a lot of like interviews like on campus in India, right?
I think that's super cool as well.
You should you should make some of those.
Have you made any D.Sai in person interviews?
Like just going up to people saying like, oh, do you guys know what D.Sai is?
Have you done that?
I need to. I need to.
Yeah.
I made someone, I made someone talk discovery and AI, but I need to make it on DSI.
I was actually, actually had a conversation with my hospital staff.
And I got the approval. I just need to be interesting, you know, talk to my teachers and, you know, some doctors in my hospital about it. Like, what do you feel about decentralized funding and, you know, some of these things?
I think that would be so interesting to hear people's perspective who might not be totally, like, aware of it and kind of opening that world up to them.
And also, you know, you being at med school, you have that kind of university advantage where you can.
go up to all these young people and you can you can help spread the word of
D-Sai and I think that would be a really cool interview opportunity I know you've done
some of those video interviews so I would love to see that emerging from you um but in any case
thank you so much for coming on the space and and sharing your story and kind of your opinions on
D-SI um super great to have you here um I think we should start
wrapping up the space. We've been here for a while. So Andrew or Erin, is there anything that you
have to add before I wrap this up? No, I'm good. It's been a wonderful time and just super excited
as we said about all that's to come. So looking forward to it. Amazing. So I would just say that
you know, little recap we explored about, you know, what
D.Sai next is how it's about empowering everyone, whether that's young innovators or season
experts, to kind of break away from this traditional scientific process and explore how DSI can
provide a lot of opportunities and especially this kind of younger generation having access and
knowledge about DSI so that they can get involved, whether they're a scientist or a
pursuing science and they want to be a scientist or they want to be a contributor. There's so many
different ways to get involved and how our vision is kind of to end up being like an educational
hub for people at universities and at school so that they're aware kind of of this space.
And I'd also just say, you know, stay connected with D-Synext.
We, this is going to be something ongoing.
We just started.
We're just at the beginning.
So stay up to date with, you know, what's going on with D-Sign next and what we decide to pursue.
And we'll kind of keep you updated with.
our vision and how we're going to execute with some of these goals that we have in mind.
Encourage other people to get involved as well.
D-Sy-nex is a very open, collaborative space, you know, spread the word, get people involved in D-Side.
The more people that know about D-Side, the better.
You know, if,
They need a community. D-Synext is always here to welcome anyone. So, yeah, join our community,
spread the word, and also feel free to reach out to me personally and DME if you have any
questions and you want to collaborate, whether that's with D-Synext or whether that's with
peptide Dow, my biodow project. So thank you so much, everyone, for joining. I hope you have
a wonderful rest of your day and take care. Bye-bye.
Thank you.
