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DeSci Office Hours
Recorded: July 14, 2025 Duration: 1:00:30Space Recording
Short Summary
Nigeria is rapidly becoming a hub for blockchain innovation, with significant growth in crypto adoption and community-driven initiatives aimed at addressing healthcare challenges. The conversation highlights the importance of partnerships and fundraising efforts to support these emerging trends.
Full Transcription
Thank you. you hey guys gmgm i'm kiho from molecule side reporting from south of india it's half past eight
and i mean i'm actually missing my buddy carlinlin. He's not going to join the call today,
but looking forward for some of you guys
to come up on stage and jam with me.
So feel free to send your request to speak.
Okay. uh your request to speak
you All right, we have a date, one of our DSA Edu fellows coming up on stage. hey edit how are you doing i'm great jim jim hello everyone um can you hear me yes perfect i can hear you awesome awesome great to be here um you. I just, I set my reminder for the space and once it popped up, I just had to join.
I always enjoy the Molecule office hours.
I mean, it's always engaging and educative.
And yeah, so today I'm just, I'm really, really excited for today because, I mean, Molecule actually gave me like an eye opener into the design space or the design wall.
And then I'm always looking forward to like the office hours and of course the latest that is happening in the world of design.
It's great to be here. Thank you.
It's great to be here. Thank you.
Awesome. Thanks. Thanks for joining.
Awesome. Thanks. Thanks for joining.
Tell us more about where you are reporting from and how is it going?
Okay. I'm reporting from the city of Abuja in Nigeria.
It's about 14.05 here.
It's a bit cloudy and I'm also a bit under the weather i'm recovering from malaria which is
common in this part of the world um so nothing really much is happening but on the design space
like really a lot is happening you know because um already nigeria is like on the forefront of
blockchain adoption and then um many nigerians uh I'm really excited to see many Nigerians actually dive into the design space.
I mean, there's so much we could do, like, because this basically takes away most of the problems in Africa, in Nigeria precisely. So it's not common to see many young medical,
not just the medical students, but mostly medical professionals, the nurses, the doctors,
researchers, the students. We're doing our bit in creating awareness in this science,
in this part of the world, but the adoption is massive. Like every Nigerian we have spoken to about this science, not everybody,
like most of them, right? They are ready to jump in.
They're exploring on their own and then they are doing amazing.
And of course this is like, for me, I see it as a tip of the iceberg.
We're looking forward to um more to come yeah
awesome so so looking at uh nigeria and and generally broadly uh dsai uh in africa um what
do you think like uh the the key challenges are like in in order for dsai to really establish or
um or you could like give us like first couple of steps
that you think the ecosystem in Africa should really take
in terms to, you know, really get integrated
and build those bridges, right?
Within other ecosystems as well.
Where do you think this could start?
And yeah, we could just try to, you know,
figure this out today
okay so um right now i think uh the first step will be to create awareness
um because um i mean africa is not new to blockchain or crypto but um we are pretty new
to this science a lot of us and then then it's to create awareness, I believe,
because I'm looking at the impact of the awareness.
Actually, those we've spoken to
or those who've been able to reach out to,
they are in sync with this science,
especially people practicing medicine,
people, researchers and stuff.
Although there's like, the honest is like,
there's an age limit, right?
So it's most of the guys
in the institutions,
the academias,
I'm talking a lot like people
from like 60 and above.
They are kind of still rigid
when it comes to,
when you're talking to them
about this science,
but the younger generation,
which the good part is that
this is the,
they are the future, right?
So they are very much pretty interested. And that this is the they are the future right so they are
very much pretty interested uh and then of course they are crafting out like their own ways like um
i see some of us on the call uh one of our very able uh design speech is also a speaker vex hide
vex so but um what i'm saying is that the awareness we've been able to create in the little we are doing.
We are seeing the impact and we are seeing people being interested, people exploring.
I mean, I go to, I join many design communities on Discord.
And then you'd see many Nigerians there, they are asking questions, right?
They want to know how to really plug in because all the problems that design solve, right?
We face it on a daily here.
And then with awareness, we realize that people are really interested in exploring design, but then we need to create more awareness, right?
So I think that's where we are at at the moment, creating the awareness.
I think that's where we are at at the moment, creating the awareness.
And of course, while creating the awareness, also trying to talk to projects,
especially projects that are building design-related stuff.
I mean, I have a couple off my head, like this project Sudatics for validating survey on chain,
which would be very helpful in terms of R&D.
So we've tried to promote some of these projects
to come on the design space
and also to see how we can push these projects.
But at the same time, we're creating awareness, like I said.
So that's where we are at the moment,
at the awareness part here.
Awesome, yeah.
I think that's the very first step I think everyone should start with.
Hi, Vex.
Happy to have you on stage.
Do you want to say hi?
Yeah.
Hello, Gem everybody.
Gem Jem Etete, Moleko. Yeah um yeah i heard what it has been saying we really
need so much awareness in this side because a lot a lot of people are actually very
intrigued like they are very interested in this side when they are about it and yeah the spaces
i've been i've really seen a very huge um sort huge improvement on the spaces we've been having in Desai.
Desai projects are now having spaces or phone, and we are talking about the community, we're talking about the project.
But awareness, like we need to go and meet the people that actually need to decide that would understand
what it is because most there is a knowledge it's still a very big knowledge gap we need to
we need to close especially um in africa yeah nigeria yes and yeah i think we need to do we
need to go real life real life events we need to go meet schools we need to join um there are some schools that
do this medical week for their medical students i think they call it the emsa nimelsa if it's in
nigeria they have this gathering of all medical students i think we should also propose to speak
and i'm working on actually speaking on an event
that will be happening in my state
that's a medical laboratory week, med lab week,
that's what they call it.
So I'm working on pitching to them to talk to them
so I could talk to the students about this eye.
So I think, yeah, we need more awareness,
just like as a Tete said, people are very interested
in this side, but we need more education around this side.
And kudos to Moleku for always hosting the spaces.
I'm always looking forward to these spaces.
And I really love having a place I could actually come talk about what I love and what I'm learning.
Because in this side, this side is like an endless space where you learn every day
um i can see zika yeah jim jim zika zika is one of the um decide enthusiasts yeah
welcome this uh and welcome zika sorry welcome everybody ed to ed is an og in the agricultural
space and is also interested very very knowledgeable about design, trying
to build something, a solution to the agricultural space. So I think we should focus on getting
more education and awareness, real life. Thank you so much.
All right. That's great. So I have a question for people who are on the on the stage and all people who are listening. So with the context of like, you know, broadly Africa and also Nigeria, what do you think could be the, you know, the first couple of problems that Desai could really come in and help solve for the Nigerian ecosystem or the broader African ecosystem.
It could be like any sort of functional problems that people face daily to daily life, or it
could be systemic problems within the scientific funding system and the publishing aspect of
it. Where do you think that Desai should enter in context, you know, like where
Africa's, you know, or Nigeria's problems could be like, you know, the key focus.
Can you guys like list me any problems or places where you guys think this could really improve the game. Yeah, I did.
Okay, thank you very much.
I think first and foremost, like I said,
this science tackles most of the problems we face in Africa.
From the people I've spoken with, I mean, first and foremost,
I realized that institutionally there is the barrier
in terms of not just the funding, like,
it's not even about the funding. Let's talk about, like, access to quality data, right? So,
big pharma's R&D labs, most of the, let me rephrase, most of the drugs being shipped to
Africa do not have African data in terms of when that drug was being developed,
right? And then even the data that is available in Africa, it's mostly siloed between either
the people with so much money and then the government. So it's kind of like split between
these guys and everything is all siloed. So I think first and foremost, access to like a global stage where everybody
could have access to quality data for their research, for whatever they are doing. That's
already like this science solving this problem because like with this science, I mean, we
could like, like he says, it's decentralized. So you could get access to all of this data and then we could have better r&d in terms of developing medicine that is specific for africa because some of the symptoms
that we africans have i'm sure other parts of the world genetically i mean i'm not a really
medical person i'm more of um i come from a developer's background but i'm a scientist first before being a developer
and i'm very much interested in this science and of course with molecule i went through the
design's edu cohorts with molecule so it gave me a better understanding but then not just the
funding but access to like quality data where someone in like nigeria could be maybe working on a project or working on a research with someone in Kenya or Ghana or Uganda.
And then all of this data could be collected.
And of course, this would help us have better research or better results in terms of when we are developing specific kind of solutions medically for Africa.
So this is just one of the many that we are facing currently at the moment.
Vex, I saw your hand up. You want to go for it?
Okay. I want to add to what you just talked about the data that that's a very huge problem in healthcare
and science in Africa and Nigeria and also the research culture the research habit is actually
dying here in Africa and Nigeria we heard about the unicode dentist students who studied and when they're about to graduate and they're being told
to go learn a trade that's like um injustice in the in the system and apart from that there is
this culture that most students in nigeria they just want to research on a project topic so that
they could get their grades just they just want to get their
grades and leave the university they don't really want they don't because they don't they don't
really know that their research can be something very important and if you would see a student who
is very very passionate about research going to get a research that is quite tough and it's like one of a kind, a new research and gets a breakthrough,
you'd see their project supervisor will take the project, award the student his or her grade,
and before you'd know it, in three years, you'd see that same project being published
by the project supervisor, and they would get the accolades.
So it's like the research culture is just for grades,
for degrees, and for accolades, not for real work.
And also, Africa have been trying to fight malaria
for a very long time.
And it's now seen as as if it's
some kind of pitch people now pitch africa for malaria as something they should use it to get
um funding and they won't even use it to get to do a research they'll just use it maybe they'll
share mosquito nets in community health centers and share maybe um malaria medication but this
is something that can be researched and can actually be a solution a permanent solution
can be can be brought i think they just said they just got the vaccine that was like this year also
but we've we've been suffering from malaria from for quite a very long time now and also the the
issue of sickle cell lots of persons that die from sickle cell anemia in africa very very it's in
africa totally because the awareness is not there that people with sickle cell can actually live their life up to 20 up to
up to adulthood and you see most of these parents they just let their children be you'd have heard
about stories so warrior yes i'm sickle cell so i've had to where parents were told to actually
leave their children because it's just
waste of money. They will still die after all. But it's not like that in other countries in the
West where they have the education. But see if there is this combined effort from everybody to
get prenatal screening for genotype. And these cells are being treated right from when they are young
i think it's something that we we can actually talk we can totally um manage sickle cell patients
effectively because even in the long run taking those drugs when they have crisis it goes on it
to affect them very like in the long run like the liver
they have the kidney problems and i heard you can just wake up and be blind from sickle cell
the should we talk about the um knee um dislocation you have to go for knee surgery the hip surgery
i think if these things are being seen being screened right right
from when a child is a baby and to know the genotype of the child because most people the
sickle cell manifests maybe when they are already in their teenage age and sometimes they've gone
through maybe series of pains which they they won't seek like genotype it's not something that people
go to check and check um in different places to actually be sure so i think that's that's
things there are there's so many minor um sicknesses that should really be eradicated from africa but
it's being used as a tool to see Africa as a charity case. So I think
that's where Desai would actually come in to bring real solutions to this. Thank you.
I think those are like really pressing problems and we definitely need to
like you know use Desai to really really uh help uh you know build solutions
for this so I would suggest like you know the first key step is to you know really have the
sort of uh patient aligned community like either for malaria or for sickle cell um then use these
patient groups right like as a community right like use this community and uh use these patient groups, right? Like as a community, right? Like use this community and use these models of either DAOs or IPT projects, right? Like create a fundraise,
you know, find a researcher, put up a team and find those patient groups who are ready to test
the drugs or ready to, you know, like participate in this sort of you know decentralized citizen science trials or
any sort of research then it's just matter of getting the funding as i think it shouldn't be
a problem as of now like that's what dsci or either molecular bio is enabling so
i guess it's it's matter of putting up that community of patients who are ready to you know who are fed up with
this sort of you know problems going on and on and then trying to bridge them and
and build this community and basically use that collective voice the collective
you know users right like this would attract any any user any any investor
because what you intrinsically have is the end user itself.
Right. Like if you are a patient and if you are trying to test something, then once this is tested and once this is launched, you will be the end user as well.
Right. Like you're going to use it for your own health to overcome that disease.
use it for your own health to overcome that disease.
So I would say like, you know, the first step is to, you know, really formulate the sort of, you know, community groups and use that collective voice to bring in funding or right like from the awareness level uh simple
hacks in terms like you know how can you prevent this or in terms of a genetic predisposition how
can you early diagnose it what are the mechanisms that you could follow or protocols that you could
follow kind of to keep the disease at bay so i think these are things that could naturally come up once um you put up the community so
this this would be my one of my you know suggestions in terms to to start with for
these two problems that you guys have highlighted and and coming to it it's uh you know uh suggestion
or like one of the problems he said like you know there is no tracking
of where the drugs are like even these drugs are not tested on uh on certain ethnic groups before
being used for that ethnic groups or because i also work for microbiome uh dao and um the problem
that we see here is like you know the the microbiome that we know as of now in the science domain is predominantly coming out of Western, let's say, European, American, Canadian population.
So if 71% of the data is coming from a very, you know, very small population, will that data really help us to build like solutions that could appeal
for global population, right?
That's a very big question that we need to ask.
Like now it's time that we decentralize
all these data collections and all these looking
at different sort of microbiomes
or different population specificspecific drug reactions.
I think DSA is that movement which could take it to different geographies and different demographics and we can test it easily at home, right? Like start with simple symptom tracking or like how
the drug reacts. So these are our personal logs could then add up and then build a community driven knowledge, which we could then use to really advance the science, the needle of the science further.
Right. So, yeah, I would say like, let's this is a very good starting step for Africa in specific or like Nigeria in specific.
We could we could start with setting up these community groups.
I think Vex, you are doing a great job on Twitter.
I think now it's time to translate this into real life actions.
I guess you are already doing it by speaking at a bunch of different conferences.
But then now you need to really reach out to these people and then put them together
because I think the suffering is you know uh it's common like you
know everyone goes through it so you need to find those people tell them there are ways that we
could really escape and we could really you know get out of this um so i would really suggest you
to uh you know pursue that and i think for it like he's already developing a protocol sort of to track
this sort of data mechanisms on how the drugs are created so yeah with that yeah Vex go on
okay actually I have a community of sickle cell warriors and we have doctors who are also warriors that are there and we help each other
with drugs for coming into the um the size space i wanted to finish the molecule edu cohort so i
would really get the building um i really get the building education about this side, so I could bring everyone on chain
and create community so we could contribute and get more researchers, collaborate with
other researchers in other countries.
So that was what I was actually waiting for.
But we have a community that's on WhatsApp.
I have a community with that's on whatsapp we have i have a community with um
sickle cell warriors already
i think then then you have the first step already solved so you you already have a community so
now it's just you know matter of uh getting the necessary funding and also like find those
scientists and labs who are already working
on this sort of if not find people who are interested to work on this or to contribute
to this right like um so this could also be done with you know help of molecule you don't
you don't necessarily need to go through the dsai edu course because you are already gaining a lot
of uh knowledge on this with this uh these office hours and and being active in the space you are already gaining a lot of uh knowledge on this with this uh these office hours
and and being active in the space you are uh i see you active on a bunch of different spaces i think
you are on top of that right like you you know much more on these uh compared to a lot of people
who are not active in the ecosystem so if you need anything in order like you know specific
for for you to achieve these missions uh molecule is always happy to help you know set up a project
and and a fundraise for you uh your sickle cell project uh super happy to help you there uh even
in my personal capacity um so yeah feel free to reach out uh put up a you know a proposal uh with how
many members you have in your community and what you want to do with it um how do you plan to you
know uh go with this research uh put up a team and uh yeah i think it's just matter of doing it so
now even like the market is coming back.
So it's sort of the right time to really fundraise for this.
And you have like a native community who is actively interested in this problem because they might be going through it.
Either their family members or their own kin or themselves going through this problem.
So I think this could be a very good, you know, first, let's say, a flagship project for Nigeria,
DSAI Nigeria, or even for like, you know, this could be the model that DSAI Africa could then
pick up and build for other scientific projects coming up, right? So I see like you guys have
solved most of those difficult parts in order to to align the users building the community and all of that now it's just matter of you know like finding those scientists and
connecting with uh the people who have the funds right and and and i guess like correct me if i
wrong uh it did i think like nigeria has one of the the crypto adoptions in Africa.
I know a bunch of people who have wallets and who are very active on the Web3 scene.
So yeah, I think you are in the right place.
You have the right use case that will resonate with a bunch of people.
So I think now it's just time to start and we could help you in any possible way um just to add to what you said when you mentioned nigeria and crypto adoption we're
actually the first so not the first but actually number one in africa and number two in the world
we're only second to india in terms of crypto adoption as of our 2024 report. But yes, just like you said,
I mean, we try our best.
They are also like,
when we're talking about the research,
getting like a team of scientists to do research,
I'd also like to point that
there might also be the problem of infrastructure, right?
Most of our medical infrastructure,
especially for
the labs, most labs that are not owned by private individuals or firms, they are mostly
either not functional or the equipments are just there and then there is no experts to actually handle it. So we have also the challenge of infrastructure in Africa.
I mean, sometime early this year or two, three months ago, I was in Calabar.
That was immediately after my Moleco EduScience cohort.
I have this mission that is a personal mission. I'm going about setting up
these science clubs and universities in Nigeria. We are functional in three universities, but I'm
looking at making at least covering most of the universities in the south and some in the north.
And then what we have discovered there is that there's always going to be the problem of infrastructure because even in the universities, I mean, they do not have proper equipment for testing or running any form of testing, right? either hospitals and then most of these hospitals are government hospitals which may have the
equipment and not have the specialist or may have the specialist and not have equipment so
all i'm trying to say is that we we also have like this problem of infrastructure which i believe
this science would actually help solve because we can actually share data and then this data can be tested in a way that can be
validated on chain so i also believe this is one of the ways that designs can actually help us scale
thank you
yeah uh vex do you want to go next
Yeah, Vex, do you want to go next?
Okay, yeah.
Thank you so much.
I really love the support.
And I wasn't ready, but I think I'll start working towards bringing the DAO on chain for Sickle Cell.
And what it is, it talks about the infrastructure.
I was on my space the other day day and my friend was also talking about the
infrastructure in African hospitals, Nigerian hospitals, that they don't have the facilities.
And we're like, okay, what if we could bring Desai? I've not seen any Desai projects that
solves the infrastructure problem in hospitals. And I think this would be a very good one for
africa because we could go to a community hospital and we could bring those people in the community
on chain we could launch a token and everyone in the community would buy
and use it to renovate the hospitals they have there
or the healthcare centers. I don't know how it will work, but I'm just thinking about it
because there are people in the community
who actually care about their healthcare center
more than the government.
Imagine native people that are like in a state,
maybe it's a federal hospital in a state in Nigeria, and would be like okay we want to
renovate this hospital and put in the state of the art equipment and we are like okay everyone
should buy into this token no matter the amount you are buying and we know that would that would that would be like a fundraising and
yeah we could use the money we get from it and renovate the hospital i think that would be
something i don't know how it will work it's just like something that came into our minds when we're
talking about it on a space i think that would work for africa yeah for nigeria to make like
yeah building infrastructure in hospital with this eye i don't
know how i don't know how that sounds it i don't know what you think about it
yeah well i think um i think one way is that we could do it is probably to to have the data first
if we could identify the where we have functional equipment for certain things
and then that would be the first step i think and then if for whatever reason maybe researchers
needed to conduct any form of research we could easily like point you to the closest facility
closest to you which uh normally to be many many miles away from you but i'm thinking
because um most of these especially um government hospitals most of them have equipment like they
spend huge money on equipment but um these guys they just they are wealth purchasing so they just
buy this equipment so that they tell you they have a state-of-the-art
hospital but they don't really have like a specialist that knows what they are doing in
that hospital like i say this because i've had two surgeries in two different hospitals
and my experience was crazy like um i went to a lab and then the guy that was supposed to like
do some scan on me he was calling someone and we had to wait for the person to actually come before he started whatever I was doing.
So I think if we can identify, first and foremost, which places have working or valid equipment and what the equipment could be used for,
maybe we could help others that maybe anytime they want to do a research you could just
come check out the list of um available equipments and then what do you need where do you need to go
to and that's just my way of thinking a lot anyway but i also like the idea of like having the
community like you know do the token thing and then um funds, which they could use to get any equipment.
But I agree with you there because those in the community
would definitely want to do that more than those in even the city
or government hospitals.
Yeah, I think there is a good way to do it, actually.
So you could, of course, the funds uh with the community in
terms to you know set up the infrastructure or even to improve the infrastructure uh if you if
you have something already then probably then this could be the the utility of the token itself right
like you you paid for access to that particular service of that equipment, if that is really something that matters to you,
who is going through that disease
or facing those symptoms, right?
And then the upside could be, right?
Like whatever the data that's getting harvested
out of this equipment or this device
could be then used to build an IP on top of it,
an intellectual property, which could then have a lot more interesting information,
which could provide even like big pharma companies
to identify how they could innovate a solution
for African market in specific, right?
Like looking at those data,
those specific biomarkers and, right? Like looking at those data, those specific biomarkers and, and right, like with that,
they can either run certain computation on top of it to discover or repurpose the drugs that they
have, or even to see the efficiency of the drugs that they have, which is marketed generally for
the global population, but then how well it's going to work for the uh african population right like
so these are like there are different ways that you could then capitalize on the investment that
people make and then give them the returns back or like you know use it to build or advance the
infrastructure further or fund further science so there are multiple ways that you could uh you know approach um towards this particular problem
but i think like you have the most important thing which is a a community that's aligned towards this
uh you know the the issue or the value that you guys are trying to create here so i think once
you have that the rest is all like you know you, you can always, you know, you help get help from people and figure out how to solve this.
So, yeah, I think you have you have a very good starting point.
And it's just a matter of, you know, finding people like Vex and Etate all across the space.
I know like you guys have most one of the most active DSi space.
one of the most active dsai space i think if a bunch of you know graduates and scientists and
doctors could could join hands and put their mind and you know like work on this problem
i'm sure like you guys can come up with a solution and you might also have like web3 expertise that
you guys need to to devise this uh the token sale or uh the protocol or whatever right like
so it's just a matter of you know the
awareness is one part but then keeping up that community building on that like a web and and
accessing you know utilizing coordinating within that community to to build new solutions is
something so now i think you guys have crossed that stage of awareness, which should happen parallely, but then now capitalize on that, right?
Like use that, use that, you know, de-aware people to build on that, right?
And this problem is specifically something, if that appeals to that local community, people will be generally, you know, aligned putting even even a dollar would be enough right
like if everyone donates a dollar towards this particular cost i think you would have enough
money uh to to really uh build those solutions that we are talking about and then you can imagine
there could be further investments if the data that we you know uh that we build out of this
testing uh or this sort of you know um citizen science
trial or whatever right we could then use it to to further fund science or build new solutions
let's say imagine we could use that and and go talk to a big pharma and say like hey look we
have a bunch of people who are ready to buy the drug or like ready to use the drug or test the drug and we have a data
set with which we can you know test bunch of molecules and repurpose some of the drugs
then they'll be interested to do so right like if you have enough evidence stating that okay this is
something that is working which could reduce their you know investment costs because if you see in a current market uh to bring out
one drug molecule right you need uh at least a couple of billion dollars and six to seven years
worth of you know pre-clinical clinical pathway to really bring one drug molecule out of the
out into the market so with that sort of capital intensive market if you have
the community already and the use case and and people who are aligned to you know like really
build that data set i think yeah it's just matter of putting things in action but then of course i
agree there will be like practical difficulties but those are coordination issues which we can always solve.
If we have enough people, if we have that network, we could definitely solve it.
I think now, as you said, it's time you put a sickle cell DAO or a sickle cell community.
community just you know put it on chain um create a token for yourself your community
and start communicating this message within within the local community and see like you
know what sort of reception you have that will give you like either positive or negative
signal in order to pursue this further or not right is it worth pursuing right so i
would say um start start doing it
thank you so much um okay i i'll start well i think i need to plan
thank god i have it today it's a please are you i shall you come to your dm so
we could actually put this in place because i really want a sickle cell down
on chain thank you so much and i'm going to be coming to the molecule dhos dm if i need any help
because i don't really know about the ip nfts how they work technically okay i have it thank you so
much thank you so much i'm grateful i'm happy to help always.
Okay.
So I also, I wanted to add that over the years, traditionally, not just Nigeria specific,
but Africa specific, we do have certain treatments that have been passed on generation
after generation so i think with this science it would be nice to actually i mean these things
work without any scientific formula so i think with this science we can actually come up with
proper scientists or proper um medic not medical yeah, medical research and deduction of how these things work.
Because trust me, I have had some herbal treatment that they did not explain to me why it worked,
but I just know that it worked.
And then I think the only difference with that and the drugs we have, medicine,
is that these things pass through, just like he said, it
pass through stages of research, of testing, and all of that, and then we can know for
sure what is really working.
So I also believe that with this science, we can kind of like conglomerate all of these
existing treatments that have been on for thousands or hundreds of years passed on to
generations. You can kind of like formalize it and then properly come up with proper,
maybe proper medicine that actually attends to each of these cases. Maybe it could also help in
the global scale by providing some form of, I don't know, vaccine for other things.
So, but it's just, I'm just saying that the design space in Africa has endless possibilities.
And then hopefully we can be able to harness some of these possibilities or potentials,
which would definitely benefit us as Africans and the world at large.
which would definitely benefit us as Africans and the world at large.
Yeah, Etete, I think what you mean is like bridging the traditional medicine and the medical medicine together.
I think Sai Dao is actually doing that.
is actually doing that and we can see spine dow actually going through the text of like um
odin death spine text and trying to get information from it i think that will actually
be very good because we have so many traditional medicine that work in africa and if we try to let's
let's try to bring like attention to it and work on it research
on them yeah it's good it's it's it's it's possible for it to bring like a very nice solution to some
problems we have in healthcare i mean to also save all the cost of always, like, for those that can afford it, people always traveling to Europe, to America for medical treatment.
I mean, our former president just died in London yesterday, right?
Because he went for medical treatment.
So if we had, like, all of this stuff in Africa working, I think just maybe with the right data, which, of course, he is a black man living in Africa
and he's going for treatment in Europe where most of the research done are for people living
in Europe.
So that's the way I see that maybe all of these problems definitely can be mitigated.
I definitely believe that so as well right like if i think um so these traditional medicines like
even if you could consider food right like the ones that you source locally um might have some
sort of epigenetic compatibility to your system because your ancestors are like the generation has gone
grown lived there consuming that particular food component because if you could see like there is
a lactose tolerance lactose intolerance in asian people right because the environment is so
and genetically they are tuned in a way, right?
But then if you look at European population,
they could easily digest lactose
because most of the communities which evolved there
had some sort of, you know,
shepherd communities where they had grasslands,
where they could, you know, have um cattles and then they used
milk they consume a lot of cheese and all of that and this naturally build that sort of tolerance
towards lactose so or like you could acquire those microbes which are essentially important
for you which could help you digest those lactose for you so i think there are uh local you know solutions that you could always
find and there's also this context specific thing uh we could say okay ancient chinese medicine is
good or ancient indian ayurveda is good and all of that but then i also sometimes think you know this might only work for people who
are living there or who have some sort of you know sensitivity to that particular drug but for other
other ethnic groups or demographies it might not be the same right so i think we could then from
now on like using dsai you could also be global, but also be very local as well, right?
Like solving problems that appeal to that local population,
to that context, right?
So I think that is the power of DSi.
Like you could create smaller intrinsic communities
and solve those small problems.
But also then if you solve that small problem,
it's like building a brick.
Instead of building a wall, you're building a brick.
So if each of us build these small bricks from different regions, right,
then we would naturally build up a wall, right?
Rather than stumbling upon the wall and trying to figure out what the wall is made up of,
we could start with building those small bricks,
which has like those sort of, you know, smaller information.
But then when you collectively
build a wall with these small bricks you would it would make sense it's just my hypothesis i guess
some people might agree some people might not agree with it but i guess like you know whatever
you source locally or things that that population has ancestrally know uh grown or lived or in touch with it might have
a different effect on that population population so uh it makes sense that it like you know to to
look for local traditional texts you know traditional medicine and then try to create
that scientific validation because um dsai is all about that doing science the right way
right it's not about like getting funding and again like doing what the trad sci is doing or
uh you know some some uh science who claims they are doing science but they don't do it right like
they don't properly utilize resources a lot of these resources get stuck in bureaucracy, overhead costs and all of that.
But if we are collecting that funds, if we are collecting money from people to solve that problem for themselves, then we should do it right.
We should do the science right so that that will create that sort of, you know, value for the DSI ecosystem.
create that sort of you know value for the dsai ecosystem so um it's it's it's the name and it's
also the you know reputation attached to this movement right like so this generation we hope
we do it right this way um and uh yeah that's it that's it from my side Yeah, I completely agree with you.
Of course, like, this will actually help us in Africa to actually be able to redefine certain products for us.
in certain products for us because, I mean, like I said,
I'm not much of a medical person, but I believe that every continent
has different threats in people and then different people react
to different things.
So we in Africa, like if we take the COVID case, for instance,
the COVID cases in Africa were quite minute.
And somehow I want to believe that naturally we have a resistant trait somehow that kept
us strong.
So with all of this, of course, we can actually be able to improve on the health care or the
health system of different people globally but then using
like these signs to kind of like conglomerate and make sure that everyone
is plugging in their data everyone is of course taking out data that they need
just to make their lives much better
yeah that's very true the data I think everything starts with data, just like you talked about firstly.
And also, you also said it's an hypothesis, we don't know.
And that's the beauty of this eye.
This eye brings personalized healthcare, which we could try it on others and see if it will
actually work.
Because yeah, it's this eye side so it's global and we could
try it awesome uh yeah that's a wonderful conversation today um i i came to the space
that i wanted to discuss today about user-centered drug development, right?
But I think we naturally got into that topic somehow,
and I think it's part of the DSI movement as well,
putting users first and not seeing users as just consumers,
because there is a general way that most of the current world
identifies people as consumers,
with this ultra
consumerism or whatever. But let's make it different and see people as users and real
stakeholders in the science. And yeah, I think we had a very enlightening conversation. And we have Ed here. We are top of the hour. And Ed, you have,
let's say, five minutes to share some of your wisdom, as always. Thanks, man.
Yeah, I just wanted to quickly share that I think the potential of DSI is to deal with the imbalance of sick care with the solution of pills and shots
to really understanding health and health care because the money has been shifted to sick care.
And then, but we don't ask, why are we sick? And I come from the regenerative ag movement,
and we don't think of farmers when it comes to health care, but we use an awful lot of science.
Metabolomics is an emerging science that we're getting so much insight about why are we sick?
Why aren't we healthy?
By being able to really examine what we ingest for its health,
for its nutrition, for the spectrum and density of that.
And I think that until science, I think, needs to get a little bit humble
and think that and realize that, you know,
Solutions just don't always come from a lab or a pill or a drug or a shot.
solutions just don't always come from a lab or a pill or a drug or a shot.
It's just why we have so many more people that are sick.
We're living shorter.
We're dying longer.
That's a problem.
And I think it's a paradigm shift that's about to happen,
not only for our health, but the health of our planet.
So I'll leave it simple and just land it there.
Awesome. Thank you. Thank you, Ed. Rex, do you have a question?
Yeah, I want to add to what Ed just said talking about what we ingest i wanted to say
that most times why i think why chinese medicine actually works it's because of their diets i
think they even live and i think it's because of their diet and i want to say something very
personal to me um as someone who is sickle cell warrior i don't
really have that look of a sickle cell patient yes i'm very healthy if you see me physically
and i tell you i'm a sickle cell warrior you wouldn't believe but the hack that happened was
that my parents actually stopped me from when i was very young from eating any processed food and this made me
i stopped i stopped drinking coca-cola i stopped taking anything sugary anything processed food
i stopped eating it up until now i don't eat processed food so i think that actually that
contributed to a greater part of me being very healthy as someone with sickle
cell i don't have i really have crisis yes i really have crises um i don't look sickle cell
and yeah i'm very strong and energetic just like maybe once or twice i just have the crisis maybe
once a year or something so most times i'll tell other
sickle cell patients i think you should actually cut down on the amount of junk you take you should
actually start taking um whole foods because that's that's what that's what to help your body to make up for the sick old cells.
So what Ed said is it's true.
And that's what I would love to try if I get a DAO,
preach about parents not giving their children
processed foods from when they are very young.
And yeah, thank you so much.
Awesome.
I think that's a very good protocol i
think a very general protocol that everyone could follow uh we have quip uh up on the stage uh you
have a couple of minutes please yeah hello thank you so much uh i just wanted to react uh for all
that i what sorry i, this is so bad.
So I just wanted to react about what they say,
about what do you eat?
I just wanted to say that you are just what you eat.
So you are what you eat.
And you have to check about like two amazing documentary
on Netflix to talk about like, one is like about two twins.
So one will eat like some omnivore regime. on Netflix, we talk about like one is like about two twins. One
will eat like some
omnivore regime. The other
one won't eat like a vegan regime.
The result at the end is really incredible.
Also, there is something about your gut
on Netflix who is really interesting.
It explains you everything about all
the process and everything because your gut
your stomach is your second brain
because there is an amazing huge and amazing microbiota into this because your gut your stomach is your second brain because there is a
amazing like a huge and amazing microbiota into this so if your stomach is not good your head
will not be good or so so it's a two amazing uh documentary on Netflix there is a other one but
i think it's in french like in art amazing one and also there is, like I was telling you at the beginning,
you are what do you eat?
So there is like another amazing regime in the south of Japan.
It's Okinawa regime where it is like,
so in this city or this region,
like there is maybe, I think it's the place where they are like,
where they are the most like older people in the square
meter so because that they eat like a special regime so they stay like really whole okay so
thank you so much i forget to say jm to everyone and stay healthy eat well and that's it welcome
thank you so much. Awesome. Awesome.
Thanks, Quip.
Thanks for that.
I guess, like, you know, you ended it really well.
You are what you eat.
And on the gut health part, I'm one of the co-initiators of Microbiome DAO.
We are working on gut microbiome as a problem because we lost half of its, you know, half of our ancient ancestral microbiome as a problem because we lost half of its you know half of our ancient ancestral
microbiome so we are in the process of restoring it so yeah please feel free to check out microbiome
now and we have ed final thoughts yeah i just want to add on that, what we've determined is it's what you eat, ate, that's really important.
Awesome, awesome.
All right.
Kribb, do you want to go again?
Or I think if there's no more questions or any questions.
No more questions. No more more comment thank you so much
awesome awesome thank you guys thank you guys for this wonderful space uh thanks for keeping it lit
as always uh stay tuned we'll meet you guys next week same time 5 p.m c.a.t yeah bye- bye stay healthy Thank you.
