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DeSci Office Hours
Recorded: Aug. 11, 2025 Duration: 0:27:19Space Recording
Short Summary
Exciting developments in the crypto space as Pump Science launches new tokens, while the Agentic launchpad and Biome AI prepare for imminent launches, promising innovative solutions in decentralized science and personalized health tracking.
Full Transcription
Thank you. you gmgm hey carlin gmgm what's up keo how you doing buddy i'm doing better this week yes yes uh heads down building uh hell yeah yeah focusing on the agentic launch yeah but other than that super
happy to be here on our dsci office hours weekly um so today's special announcement
um the call will be so we'll be doing this only for 30 minutes and then we have a
only for 30 minutes and then we have a special uh you know space with brdi so feel free to tune in
to the next uh space very high for that yeah as usual we'll get into the dsai officers and i'm
kiho reporting from uh south of india it's half past 8 p.m. here. Nice summer weather. How are you doing,
Carlin? I'm Carlin. I'm in Chicago in the U.S. It's 10 a.m. here. Nice Monday morning getting
after it. I'm doing well. I am in the process of writing my thesis. So I've also been very head down, grinding in lab, as well as, you know, getting involved in some of the really exciting moves in the space recently.
These sides are booming right now because, like, the summer has finally hit.
Yeah, the summer's here.
Yeah.
Big time.
How was your pump science launch?
It was great.
It was great. It was great.
I'd love to.
So for those that don't know, I launched last week, Pump Science sort of, or the week before last, Pump Science launched a whole bunch of tokens.
So there were a couple of cohorts of tokens that had been kind of building different compounds that were being tested in the like worm system
that they all start out at. And last week, they had a huge marathon live stream to like, basically
just like stream all the data. And it was really cool. Unfortunately, my compound group did not
end up extending lifespan in the worms. So, you know, things kind of clipped after that
for the token itself, but I'm really excited for, you know,
how it went as far as like, I was really interested
even though it wasn't my, they weren't all my compounds
to like just watch and, you know, learn more
about each of the little like scientific processes,
all the different pathways that people were trying to target.
And then also seeing just like the data streaming live was really, really cool.
So I'm excited about the future.
I'm a little disappointed that BXB is,
did not perform as well as we would have liked,
but we'll be iterating on some stuff for the future, I think.
Awesome.
Awesome.
Yeah, sorry to hear that.
That's the way science goes, man.
It's part of the science.
That's the way science goes.
I had to let the community people, members of the community know,
hey, science is a lot of failing a lot of the time.
You only get to hear about the success cases,
but those are maybe, you know, the 2%,
even like less than 1% of all the things that people try.
So we just have to keep trying.
100%.
And how stoked are you for the Agentic launchpad?
I'm really hyped for it.
I know you said you've been working on it a lot
um you got me like out phone alpha to share about this new launchpad this bio right the protocol it
is yeah cool i need more so it is it is i think it's uh we've been like doing this agentic ritual
It is. I think it's, we've been like doing this agentic ritual every DSI office hours, right? Like the need for new agents.
Exactly.
I think, yeah, it's a high time and I think it's eclipsing altogether. I heard like BigDAO has a new agent coming up very soon and then VitaDAO and BioProtocol has been their own agent, Obra AI.
Oh yeah, that's going gonna be awesome the longevity um expert
exactly and then valley dow has an agent flow and then there is pine dow uh they have their
own agent so i think i'm i'm super stoked up and excited for this uh you know agenting future
that's gonna come down um on d side side and I think it's an interesting time to
watch as well because as you said like how you had a race for compounds right like we just tested on
yes now this is gonna be you know battle tested by the users themselves I love what really sticks, right? Yeah. Sometimes we think, okay, scientific agents, research, and all of that is interesting,
but we really don't know what really works and what people would really enjoy using it.
And also, since I'm also part of the microbiome DAO, I need to also shill my own agent.
We are building Biome AI.
It's one of the... biome ai okay exactly yeah
hey so that's that that will be our agent of the week this week is biome ai you care to tell me but tell me about what it what it can do yeah uh definitely so we thought of, you know, when we jumped into this AI marathon, sort of like, you know, what we want to do, we thought, do we want to build a research grade agent or we want to build a user centered agent? There are a bunch of different deep pockets funding those research-grade agents.
And we don't need that because as a DAO, the power of the DAO is in the community.
So why not build something that's useful for the community?
So we took down this user angle.
And then what we are actually building is something, is an evolution of health apps that you see in the market.
as something uh as an evolution of health apps that you see in the market we just like found out
that out of 100 out of all the health apps that's been launched in the last four years
uh the success rate is like way less it's just like top 20 survives the rest all went bankrupt
oh my imagine yeah so the healthy the healthcare space especially digital uh health apps is is kind of a tricky
market to invest uh also like the apps are failing and the reason being uh is uh these tools are
somehow you know doesn't have the element of personalization uh it's like one size fits all
solution so whoever use the apps gets the same sort of uh solution back and the very uh you know like uh how i would say
uh things that could like get updated better is the i the health apps in itself is uh constrained
to the rigid interface that we are interacting with right yeah say you use my fitness pal or
any sort of tracking device um you are stuck with the interface the
interface dictates what sort of graphs you can generate what sort of metrics you can track and
stuff like that but with the agents right like it's a canvas you can paint whatever you want
you can decide what the agent wants you to do right like you can choose to correlate your trading
behavior with your diet or your mood you You can build a bunch of these datasets.
And the way the Biome AI works
is to kind of tone it down the effort.
So you just open the app and it's available on Discord,
it's available on WhatsApp, Telegram.
It's like a chat bot.
You go in, you talk to it, two minutes.
You just record your voice or you can type it in
and dump all the information that you have. you have a you know how how much steps you walked you have a a whoop metric you can just
take a screenshot and dump it here or you drank a soda today take a screenshot like take a picture
of the the the the back of the label right and then and then dump everything it might take five
minutes max to dump all the information per day and then you just
like leave it then you choose after like creating a baseline you choose what you want to see right
you can so right now the one of the early studies that we would launch is for the traders crypto
traders uh so we want to see correlation between the trading behavior like your ups and downs in
connection to your let's say mental health or your diet behavior like your ups and downs in connection to your
let's say mental health or your diet or like your performance trading performance to your gut
a lot of different things are possible and now we are kind of so the top 10 traders who are
part of the biome ai token holder community will then be eligible for this free microbiome test
kits which then they can test and then participate in this n is equal to
10 hypothesis uh it's like factoring in like uh you know like brian johnson is doing n is equal
to one uh now this is gonna be a n is equal to 10 hypothesis yeah but the the real difference is
it's not um doing the sort of scientific hypothesis out of research papers rather it's doing a
user-centered personalized hypothesis engine so it reads users as research papers and notes
and it's gonna put out hypothesis saying that okay we looked at 10 crypto traders tracking their gut
health or certain parts of their health and then we came up with this sort of correlation and then if other traders are interested to try this protocol they could then participate and
you know uh add this n is equal to one 10 plus one 10 plus two whatever you can do it
so that's the whole idea i'm super excited to this because i think it's a it's a next
evolution of health apps uh now it's gonna be a blank canvas let's see
how our users would paint this uh what sort of new uh angles they would explore i'm super happy uh
yeah to to explore this along with the users this was awesome i really like that um especially
like the more um personal personalization of like what data you get to see. I feel like with the, you know, existing health
apps, like Whoop and stuff like that, I'm shown a lot of things and they're maybe not the things
that I'm currently interested in knowing about myself. Or maybe there are things that I'm not
doing as well in and I don't want to see it. I guess maybe I'm wondering, like, what if you're someone who is one of these greater traitors, but you maybe are disingenuous with like what you
with what you're like putting into your body? Maybe you're like, oh, I had this salad,
but you didn't didn't report that you also had that soda that you were talking about.
Is there going to maybe be like a way to verify and double check those sort of like reportings
or is it full on like we just have to trust, trust the community and trust the users?
Yeah, so we thought about this.
So it's going to be like if you want to have the best out of the app,
best out of the tool,
so you need to take responsibility and report.
And let's say you skipped today.
You can then again come back tomorrow.
You say like, yeah, yesterday I missed this.
Just add a soda to my list, right?
I just missed a report.
That's it.
Very simple.
You don't have to think about like, you know,
going into that particular option,
logging in what soda, how much soda you ate, like what, you don't have to think about like you know going into that particular option logging in what soda how much soda you ate like what you don't have to think about that you can
just say okay i missed it yesterday just add it to my list yeah yeah because what if i'm on
vacation i'm like i don't know if i want to keep up with my agent right now you know you don't have
to but then you come back everything is a weak basis yeah for sure come back for sure yeah and and and very interesting thing that the uh i'm on vacation though so that that's
also like something i should uh maybe be keeping better track of you know yeah i i think uh you
you can create your own vacation mode you can say okay don't that nudge me a lot
i'm gonna be eating nasty for the last for the next few days so yeah you you can choose how you
want to interact with this tool uh there's no like set boundaries uh no one is sort of controlling
but the interesting thing our dev came with uh like you know last week, we were kind of building the character profile for this AI
agent.
Now if you're a token holder,
let's say you're going to a doctor and you don't
pay a fee, how your doctor
would react to you?
His attention towards you will be
very less.
What's the point
of seeing this patient?
Exactly. The agent is like that so if you
hold the token you're gonna get the utmost care that's possible depending on how much you hold
and but if you don't hold a token the air will be like oh you are not interested in me i'm not
that interested in you come up with whatever you have i'll try to help you i kind of like it's not
going to be very dismissal but like little neutral bland response but if you hold a token it's going to be very friendly uh like if you are
available you're going to get the best care out of it so it is also like socially engineered within
the ai to to to replicate this sort of behavior out yeah it's like the cha the paid version of chat
but but uh you're you're getting the like the kind version of micro micro
ai that's pretty cool yeah and and and it's not for just gut health but it's gonna be for like
general health yeah overall health right i'm imagining overall like reporting you're like
what did you do you said your steps but you know if you did like a strenuous physical activity or something
another way to you know kind of read it is it like is it just a is it like fully chat or can it talk back to you right now it cannot talk back to you you're auditioning any voice actors i'll
i'll volunteer yeah i think i think that that should be in the
part of the roadmap i guess like that that would be way very interactive i guess uh getting the ai
talk to you back and and making it real time is something very interesting so we have also
discussed this but it's it's part of the plan but right now it's it's just like you can talk to it
it can just respond to you it can also like generate graphs in the app,
within the chat you are discussing this.
So think of this as a personalized,
privacy preserving version of ChatGPT
that you can use specifically for health.
That's the difference.
Like chat could do all the things that the agent
could do but it's just a little different that this agent is particularly trained with scientific
papers to make it more scientifically you know sound it can also pull you a scientific trail on
how it came up with such and such suggestions to you right so that so that
you have that validating uh factor uh okay this is not some made-up bullshit uh there is something
legit behind this right so you can go dig into it if you want i like that you are you taking any
testers right now because i i'm like i'm picturing what you're talking about and i i'm really into you know
physical activity so i would love to be able to like you know better and more common test
specifically and get the scientific you know you get the scientific background on why should i do
lat pull downs or something like that which would be which would be pretty cool i think to be like
oh not only are you
developing you know learning more about your own health but you're also then developing a more
accurate and um more effective um training plan which which i'm always down for yeah right now
we are kind of uh toning it down to top three features closer to the launch.
So one of the biggest features that I love is basically every day morning when I wake up, I kind of spend like 30 to 40 minutes deciding on what I know what's my usual but still I would spend like 30 minutes on how I'm
gonna make it and what's gonna uh can I do something new stuff like this yeah and then
by that time the morning's gone exactly so there is a feature for meal prep plan so the agent could
come up with a meal prep plan depending on your budget your time and how trained are you in
cooking stuff right like you can just talk to it
and then it can come up with three recipes for you to try and then it can show you how this kind of
impacts your health so yeah it's it's sort of like my favorite feature because it's going to save a
lot of time for me but then you have other features as well like you can go free fall
tracking all of your metrics or you can just focus on mental health aspect of it um yeah you can you can choose what to do with
it uh i'm not gonna give you constricts so you don't have to stick with any any particular
construct it's a blank canvas you you can go and explore and play this is for people who don't know
what to do with it uh can try these things yeah and get excited about yeah pretty cool awesome all right um anything else i i've been also like uh hearing
from uh other agents as well i think this is going to be very different future that we are entering
uh starting this year and uh bio protocol is leading the game with that yeah it's here i'm
super excited pretty soon exactly the launch is soon right man it's it's it's soon yeah i think
uh next week wow oh probably this week wow probably end of this week i don't know exactly
that's some fresh alpha right there yeah yeah it's gonna
happen very soon uh i still don't know like which project goes first and what happens yeah but i
know like this month you can expect at least three agents or two to three agents coming out cool so
i think uh yeah it's a crazy time uh to be yeah yeah um with bio now being uh available in the u to trade in the us i'm i'm like let me let
me get my bio up you should man you should uh try to get more xp so that you can participate in one
of our agentic launches yeah uh yeah i i have i have my x piece to to get a get my entry to the launch nice but yeah
yeah i think you should do i think you will be very much interested in trying these
uh tools and owning a piece of it yeah i need things easier you know i'm one of the i'm one
of these users that needs it to be as easy and low lift as possible so anytime anytime i'm like
creating some building something or like looking at as possible. So anytime I'm like creating some,
building something or like looking at something
that people have built, I'm like,
what if the smallest inconvenience happens to me
in this process, I'm done.
So just trying to like, you know,
imagine the pathway with as little impediments as possible
is I think the way to go.
Yeah. with as little impediments as possible is i think the way to go yeah see again like so i i think uh one question that you asked like very interesting question was
um what if self-reporting self-reporting right like people report wrong information to the agent
like uh not being honest or miss some information how how it's gonna behave and
stuff like that I think this applies to all agents or any health tool that you
use but just think it this way what are you what is the end product that you're
expecting out of that particular health tool that you are using is it like to
see charts going up or is it to uh see that your biomarkers shoot up
um you know like it could be different things yeah what is it for you like when you do any
sort of health tracking for me i'm thinking i there's certain things where i only know of them because my whoop told me, uh, or something like that. So like respiratory rate
and stuff. So for those, I always try to, there's not really, I mean, other than trying to sleep
better, there's really not a lot of things you can do to change some of those biomarkers as far as,
uh, like lifestyle, like performance goes. So I think that I'm, I'm, I'm looking for,
I don't know, I'm looking to, I think consistency is kind of what I, I want to achieve over a
lengthy period. I want to see things either go up or maintain their sort of like level,
um, while also feeling, you know, fulfilled personally and, you know,
enjoying the challenge of, you know, maybe lifting a little bit more or running a little
bit faster, or even if I'm not improving, just getting up and doing those things.
I think that that is kind of what I look to keep track of and like, you know, want to
build when I'm thinking
about my activity and my like health overall.
To be able to do things longer and, you know, if you don't use it, you lose it.
I want to be able to use, you know, the full capability of my body for as long as I can.
i can so if i if i read it right uh the ultimate goal is to uh you know be consistent but the goal
is to become healthier yeah be better we always want to be moving forward and be better i think
yeah healthier and happier right like exactly that's the goal and want to live longer right
like ultimately these are the things that we do like it doesn't matter what your charts
say it doesn't matter uh what your oops says it doesn't matter like what these biomarkers say it's
just like how you feel about it yeah right yeah the personal life if you feel happy even if your
biomarkers are like way off the chart if you feel really happy then that's that's the end goal right
yeah that's the end product that you are asking for so we thought okay if this is the end goal right yeah that's the end product that you are asking for so we thought okay if this is
the end goal why do we care about doing charts and stuff it's going to be very simple um when you kind
of talk to this ai right it records your voice if you choose to and then it would replay it to you
uh let's say after a week and then you can see listen to your own voice and decide whether you
are happy or not yeah that's pretty fun that's pretty fun that's a fun idea i would be cringing that's it that's my end product that's my end
product you decide whether you are happy or not yeah let me not convince you you you convince
yourself right like you listen to your own voice and and see reflect on it whether you're feeling
you sound better or you sound bad uh how does it feel to you so I think that that's that's what like we
kind of are trying to capitalize on like not trying to do it again like the
wrong way how putting all these subjective thing into objective metrics
which doesn't work so keep it very subjective because it's a subjective
issue so it's gonna be that sort of self-reflection that we are trying to
sell it back to you.
Yeah.
For example, as far as like looking at different biomarkers, even things like blood pressure,
my partner, she went to get, you know, just a normal yearly checkup and was reported as having elevated blood pressure to a level that would be deemed like a warrant, like
you need to start being serious.
But she's a very active person and she, you know, eats well and doesn't, you know, engage in a lot of unhealthy activities. So she was like, what the heck is going on?
But, you know, over a couple of weeks of tracking herself, she realized that she's just someone with a more elevated bp so i think that you know uh keeping it more personalized is going to be
i i could see it if i'm using it being more comfortable being real with something that
is comparing me to myself than comparing to like the gold standard of like you know
what physicians or somebody would consider to be like the healthiest person
i i think yeah so so this is like a you can have sort of a contrasting view does n is equal to one
really matters or it should be like you know n is equal to 100 to convince me to work on this yeah
i think it's both it's both sometimes right like n is equal to
one matters for certain things because your genetic is n is equal to one your microbiome is
n is equal to one there are certain things your family construct your uh you know economic status
all of this makes you n is equal to one yeah it might not be the same right but then certain
things are common across the population or like a certain demography.
So the idea is to build those smaller blocks, n is equal to one blocks, and then try to make a whole wall made of these smaller single blocks and then figure out, okay, what sort of patterns emerge out of it.
Like look for emergence out of it rather than, you know, like trying to hit a wall and then figure out, okay,
what this wall is made up of.
Yeah. Yeah.
Go there as you go, as opposed to, you know, looking back.
That makes a lot of sense.
Exactly. Yeah.
Yeah. I think we are almost there.
um it's uh we just have three minutes and the new space has to start cool uh here today yeah
It's we just have three minutes and the new space has to start.
Cool.
someone wants to come up uh ask questions feel free you can go ahead now yeah we have a couple
of minutes speak now or hold your peace till next week exactly please hop with us to the b b a r d
uh ai space very excited about what they're they're going to be talking about
after this awesome i think if if that's not the case yep uh yeah yeah guys stay hooked uh stay
tuned a lot more interesting projects coming out uh watch out and uh keep deciding yep keep building
out uh watch out and uh keep deciding yep keep building all right keep building love you guys
bye-bye peace peace
