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DeSci Office Hours
Recorded: April 24, 2025 Duration: 1:06:51Space Recording
Short Summary
In a recent discussion, participants explored the evolving landscape of decentralized science (DeSci), emphasizing the need for alternative funding models, the growth of DAO and DeFi communities, and the importance of interdisciplinary collaboration. Key insights included strategies for community engagement and the potential for new project launches aimed at integrating various scientific fields with blockchain technology.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. you
okay what's up buddy whoops Whoops.
Hey, hello.
Hi, guys. .
Hi, guys.
What's up, Kiho?
Hi, Kiho.
I think, yeah, multiple people accessing molecule account, I guess.
That doesn't sound like Ella. Yeah, not ella it's country uh i yeah i just
realized i'm in the molecular accounts yeah how are you doing i'm good i'm doing fine how are you guys
yeah doing good doing good i'm heading into lab this morning.
Yeah, all good here.
It's late already.
It's 8.30 PM.
Summertime from South India.
Yeah.
It's quite warm here.
Yeah, but to say, What's that summertime weather looking like, even in the evening?
It's just like, you know, all-time 30 plus.
Yeah, there's no winter, to be honest.
There's no wintertime.
It's just all-wing summer.
Yeah.
My goodness.
Yeah.
All right. summer yeah yeah all right I guess as more people would join we could kick start this thing and you can't show I congratulate for the recent paper that
you published with molecule the article basically on NIH grants, grant cuts. A wonderful
piece. I really enjoyed it. Thank you. I sent it to everybody. Yeah, I think that read. Yeah, it's really a good time to show the alternative funding models which are really
needed.
Yeah, and it shows once again that we cannot trust traditional funding structures.
They are not reliable.
They were not reliable and now they are not even more reliable
and yeah and basically
no one knows the details
what will happen in the future
what do
indirect cost cuts
means for the research
are the extra money
go to the research
itself or is it gonna
you know just saved for the government
yeah and i think the um something you really like really important that you touched on in it
is that we may not even see a directly like a negative effect today or tomorrow or the next few months but you know
as it it will affect the long term of like you know the great the next great discovery may not
be able to be made because of the like things that were held up in these days which is really
unfortunate okay i'm switching to my own account now, guys.
See you in a second.
Cool.
Yeah.
Hey, Renu.
All right, Colin.
Yeah, what's up?
Hi, Renu.
Renu, do you want to join the conversation?
Probably I wanted to discuss
about communities
DAO communities and DeFi communities
this week
because that's the
module that we are going through
at DeFi Edu
so, yeah
Yeah, that sounds great to me
Hey Renu So yeah. Yeah, that sounds great to me.
Hey, Renu.
How's it going for you? Yeah, it's kind of going good.
I mean, Berlin's becoming nice now in terms of weather.
So it's kind of energetic.
Nice. So you want to get into talking about some community stuff Kehoe. Let's do it.
Sorry, guys. I just had a network. Yeah, my network was a little chippy. Yeah, now it's all right. Yeah, I just wanted to, you know, like start the conversation by looking at DAO communities, like building communities has always been a question like how to do it. top-down approach where you come up with a ivory tower project like Vita Dao with
you know this noble cause for longevity that a lot of people could highly
relate with and then you raise capital and then automatically this is like a
you know a magnet when a lot of reputed people join these projects like the
project naturally attracts the community and then the
community grows as the project moves further and succeeds but there are also like other ways to
build community from grassroots like if you know if you see like you know reddit communities
becoming a DAO for example hair DAO which was a reddit community of people who are struggling with hair loss coming together having
a conversation and then at some point they decide okay let's formalize this let's you know start you
know really building solutions for us so yeah there are two ways of building this community Right now, the kind of, you know, the area that I want to discuss is what's the best approach for a DAO or an idea that does not have enough audience, like in terms of cap.
Look at Qtopia, right?
Like it's for rare diseases.
Like rare diseases are rare you have a very small
community like comparatively less capital and less people who really care about these
rare diseases in that case building a community is a real struggle and in some cases you might
also have a very good project like a very good idea like which appeals to a lot of people but still like if you
if you don't you know uh have that sort of magnets within the within the founding team or within this
you know the core idea in itself i think building communities then becomes a struggle um yeah uh i
wanna you know uh start the conversation of uh what do you guys think generally absorbing all these
uh you know dsai daos that exist and other dsai communities outside daos uh how do you think this
community building should happen in a more robust organic way that's actually pretty cool.
I didn't know that about Hairdow, that they started on Reddit.
I love that because I'm an avid Redditor.
So it seems like a really cool way to get interred into a decentralized space.
As far as the best way for community building, I feel like it's with like everything else, right?
Like context dependent.
So I think that what makes like Curetopia kind of strong and as their community continues to build is that they're tapping.
I think they're tapping into sort of the like isolation that you can feel when you're someone with a rare disease.
You know, it's one of those things where you're part of a very small cohort across the entire
world.
But, you know, if you're of a cohort of 100 and you find another cohort of 100, now you
have 200 people.
And, you know, you can kind of continue to build that way.
build that way. I feel like when it starts with like passionate people, like larger groups of
people, I feel like it has a little bit more like, like strength of like positive moment,
like forward momentum. And I feel like maybe the like more top down approach is maybe,
top-down approach is maybe a good idea for more, I don't know, maybe it's a good idea,
but I feel like you maybe lose some of the passion that you need to actively and avidly
build that community. But I don't know, what are you thinking, Kehoe?
Yeah, I've been struggling with this particular part of community building for last couple of months.
Seriously, I haven't figured it out yet.
But I think, you know, I want to do it more organically, like not artificially, you know, sort of imposing this just for sake of numbers, like so and so twitter followers or so and so discord
members uh we just don't do it like uh by promoting you know advertising or something like
that but rather than um i would do it by constantly being there engaging with communities one thing
that i think is like uh is good to build a community on X is doing these Twitter spaces, regular Twitter spaces, which naturally attracts people to come in and take a dig and wants to just hear what's happening around.
And then if you really show them how interesting your project is, and if that is something that they could, you know, relate with,
they would stay.
And it's not just that, but you also need, you know,
like real community managers.
Like once you convince someone, okay, this idea is good.
I need to, you know, stick with this idea or I want to, you know,
like have a look at what these guys are building, right?
Like once they join your server or your community, how would you keep them engaged? Like the first,
you know, five minutes or the first one hour of them entering your server, that's the time you
got to convince them, okay, this is a good place. This is an active community. I see a real value
in this community. i want to engage
with them right so you need to convince them so quickly or you know they're they're not going to
come back they're just going to stay but they're not going to come back or they're not going to
interact uh with with the community right like so it's it's very crucial not just converting them
into your community uh sustaining keeping them them engaged is way more important.
That is something that I'm currently focusing on.
Yeah, that's probably like the toughest part.
We have such short attention spans these days.
So I know for me, especially,
even like a great community manager might get you involved like onboarded very quickly to some of these communities.
But, you know, if they're not, I mean, you kind of need somebody who's also, I think, like tapping into people on an on an individual basis, like meeting them where they're at.
I will, again, shout out the Kirtopia Telegram. I've been in there for a few weeks now and I really have enjoyed it.
One of the things that their community manager does is he will straight up or they will straight up like at people and be like, hey, I haven't heard from you in a while.
Like, how are you doing? What's going on? That way, you know, you're not necessarily like calling people out, but you're giving people a chance to sort of like say what they've been up to and then, you know, join in on the conversations that have been happening.
If maybe they, you know, they have been looking, but they haven't necessarily been like trying to actively participate.
Keeping people like into things that they feel are relatable, I think, is also very, very key in doing that.
Yeah, I think I 100% agree with you.
I think empathy is a very big part of building a community.
You need to empathize with people, what they are going through, or, you know, respecting
their boundaries and their interests, and also giving them chance sort of a
soft nudge for them to interact i think that's that's very important part of any community
building process or a community manager yeah i 100 agree with you there
yeah so maybe you want to share a little bit about what you've been doing with like microbiome
how have you been going about sort of like uh trying to get people engaged in the community
uh yeah about microbiome dow uh to be honest i'm still figuring out i've been trying different things uh today we hit thousand followers on
twitter um so that's huge congratulations yeah thanks yeah without without any uh you know
uh inorganic like you know artificial push uh we just you know like kept posting exactly
just real people kept posting good stuff honest honest stuff, like things that could, that we think could be useful for people.
And connecting with them. That's so cool.
Exactly. I think the journey that we took is, you know, so far is very interesting.
All these Twitter spaces that we hosted, we hosted different teams, different DAOs dows different people has different problems that
they are going through uh probably you you heard from ed a few weeks back so i i met him during a
twitter space right so i think this is a natural way of building a community but i think now it's
time for us to up the game uh you know. Since we are expecting more and more people are now interested,
are talking about gut health and microbiome and so on, we want to channel them into Discord. But
the biggest struggle that I see is bringing people to Discord. Discord is sometimes daunting.
Life would be so easier if WhatsApp provides
all these features and everything could happen on WhatsApp, I think, you know. Yeah, this sort of...
Yeah, for sure. An extra app of it all, I think, is what makes it hard. And also, I feel like if
you're maybe not used to setting up specific notifications for different servers and stuff
like that
they can just get lost in discord especially if it's a really like popping sort of uh space
exactly yeah yeah that's that's that's a problem right like you uh you have some audience who are
native to telegram some are native to discord and some don't use neither of these apps uh in that case it's it's kind of difficult
to uh you know because your community is getting uh you know fragmented here it's it's really hard
with these like you know multiple platforms offering different features uh actually what
we came up is like you know like we want to build a DAO app where we can have the communications
regarding the DAO within the app. So one place for anything and everything DAO, from voting,
from governance proposals, from tracking your health, all of this would come into one app where
it's one-stop solution for microbiome now that is something that we are imagining
to happen in future yeah it's a good idea would that be maybe in the form of like
its own social media app or would you try to like adopt an existing sort of like structure
existing uh sort of like structure uh we would uh probably adopt some uh you know some existing
structures have you have you seen uh the don't die app from brian so yeah i have yeah so so basically
you have a social there you can uh share like your workouts your meal prep and and whatever right like
your meal prep and whatever, right?
Like basically Instagram for showcasing how healthy you are and what all healthy
stuff you are doing. So imagining something like that, you know,
things to go hand in hand.
That's great. Let me know and I'll sign up AS asap awesome yeah i would let you know uh i'll
i'll whitelist you guys and and probably uh um one more thing that i want to uh highlight is
you know uh it's it's not just about you know um building a community of web3 people like who are native to web3 who knows about what DAOs are
who are who knows like how things works in this world but rather onboarding people who are not
from this world who are from web2 world or not even from any web world like who are general
people who doesn't access or use internet so much but they have real problems
they would also like you know share their stories and and and benefit from such a such a movement
and i'm just like you know thinking from that angle how do we bring more diverse audience into
these daos so that uh you know the the conversations get more interesting.
And also we'll get like different perspectives from people who are not Web3 native because we are dealing with science and healthcare here with DSci.
I think the whole idea of DSci is to decentralize science, bring citizens closer to the science,
bring citizens closer to the science, you know, literally building this bridge of communication
between scientists and the end users who are the citizens. If you don't onboard people outside
Web3, in the long run, this would again become a sort of, you know, a fragmented community,
which will not really resonate with the real world's voice.
So, yeah, that is one thing that I've been like also constantly figuring out how to onboard people who are not Web3 native.
Yeah, I think those multiple perspectives is really important.
important because you don't want to live in like an echo chamber, right?
Because you don't want to live in like an echo chamber, right?
And then you get your product out and nobody wants it or needs it or likes it
because they're not of the same like sort of like community understanding that the
rest of the people are.
But yeah, that's, that's, I think diversity is a,
is a word that people don't like to say these days but i think that it's
really important especially for you know decentralizing things exactly um so yeah yeah
yeah i think that that's that's paramount yeah i think diversity is a real good word because
your gut loves uh if you have a good diverse uh diversity of microbes. So yeah, always diverse is good because you have multiple forces
with multiple assets and multiple powers in toolkits to solve one problem. I think
keeping it diverse as always brings different different perspectives more color to the system
hell yeah I'm with you 100% on that yeah so what do you think of let's leave DAOs like let's see
let's leave these bigger communities let's talk about uh from individual perspective right like if i'm
getting into dsci um like you know i'm i'm quite new to dsci uh where to look at i don't know where
to look at what to do uh i'm just like you know randomly seeing that there is a science project where I can go fund and, you know, interact with this. But the problem is, you know, for most of the people who don't understand what the science is like or the content is too technical for them to really grasp it.
But they really, you know, resonate with the idea.
they really you know resonate with the the idea let's say if we talk about alzheimer's or cancer
or any specific disease if i if i resonate or relate with that particular problem i wanted to
be get solved i would come and contribute but the problem is all these science projects right like
they take months and years to to see you know maturation so this is like tremendously a long time for um people who
are web3 native who like generally the world moves so fast in in and you know i i would say in warp
speed in in web3 things move so quick um in this know, how would you bridge these two things,
which moves at different speed and acceleration?
And what are we going to give them, like, you know,
to keep them engaged in this long run?
Because science is a longer process.
It takes time.
You need to wait.
Sometimes you're not always getting positive results,
sometimes things would not work, right? Like there's a lot of risk involved. So in this case,
how should we prime the community to look for this, like to be aware of, you know, all these
risks involved in operating with science projects or, you know, funding these projects?
in operating with science projects or, you know, funding these projects.
What do you think, like, from a scientist's perspective?
Also, you are a scientist turning into a DGEN.
So what do you think?
Yeah, that's a great question.
Because I, you know, I'll be in lab and one experiment for like, I work in development,
so it takes time for embryos to develop.
And one experiment will take at least a week, maybe two.
And then there's a chance that, you know, whatever I injected into these embryos crashed
out and, you know, the mRNA didn't transcribe properly or something like that.
And then it's like, oh, that's two weeks where I really have nothing to show for it.
And so maybe, I don't know, maybe there's something to be said for, you know, how streamers like just like kind of like stream constantly 24-7 these days.
kind of like stream constantly 24 seven these days maybe there can be like kind of like using
what uh pump science has been doing where they like gamify experiments but we could streamify
like research and so it's kind of boring and you're you know you're just sitting in lab with
someone all day but i feel like people might respond to you know just a guy in a lab coat
doing some like fun experiments uh even if it's just like, hey, right now I'm loading all this stuff and I'm talking about, you know, a concert that crypto space at least, people are monitoring these charts minute by minute.
And so they need candle up incrementally every minute or else they start crashing out. Maybe if we, you know, had a Twitch stream of just like this week we're doing human stem cell stuff.
This week we're doing, you know, we're doing mass spec.
And it's not very exciting to like actually see.
But, you know, we learned to love the like persona of the people that are doing the experiments.
doing the experiments. And so that could possibly like bridge the, you know, you become a little
bit more, uh, not forgiving of the time it takes, but you don't mind the time it takes
when you like the person that you're like spending the time with. Um, so, you know,
that could, that could be something that we could try to like implement, uh, just have a,
uh, someone perpetually in a lab or you know a rotating cast of people
in the lab that are doing experiments teaching people a little bit about like what they're doing
as they do it so there's like a learning aspect but it's mostly like a you know a chill hangout
kind of like what we're doing here but add an extra layer of you know doing an experiment
if you uh if you're a subscriber you get to pick what next week's experiment is
or something like that.
I don't know.
I think...
Just spitballing.
Yeah, I think that's a very cool idea.
I'd be happy to see, yeah, some streaming of these science stuff
because I've been away from lab for so long now.
I want to really go back, see these iceboxes,
epies, and pipettes and all of that.
Probably you can do a streaming of how you work with your embryos.
You can teach us something.
If that is permitted in your lab,
I would be happy to, you know, see some recordings of how you work
and what you are working about.
Probably this is something that we could start
and show Desai, okay, guys, look at this.
Now we are not just talking about science.
We are now streaming science.
We are showing how science is done.
There's more reasons to get...
Yeah, I think that'd be really cool.
Exactly.
I need to get a haircut first, but i get my haircut i got you yeah but yeah that would be really fun that would
be really fun i work with um i work with frogs and so frogs are very not a very often used not
often used uh model organism for you know a lot of people know like mice and they know worms and
they know flies, but, you know, maybe these lesser known model organisms could be a great jumping off
point for like, hey, like science just isn't, isn't just performed through these, you know,
three model organisms that we know. There's, there's many other avenues for discovering
different things and that could maybe open people up to cool new ideas
for how to like branch off in Desai too.
Yeah, that's-
I'd love to be an inspiration to others if possible.
That's super cool.
I think frogs are interesting.
I haven't personally worked with frogs.
I've worked with locusts, crickets, and ants.
So these are not necessarily model organisms.
I've been...
Those are scary ones.
Yeah, so I worked on this for a neurobiology project.
So we had to study the locomotion of how ants move with all these six legs.
How do they coordinate?
And why did they, at first point, have these six legs?
Why can't they have four legs or two legs?
Why do they have it?
What is the evolutionary reason and stuff like that?
And one cool thing was we operated on a live locust, which was still alive.
And then we hooked up an electrode towards a spinal cord.
We call it ganglion.
So we just hooked up an electrode which could pick up signals directly from this nerve.
this nerve like literally their brain stem and then what we did is like we played different
Literally, they are brainstem.
sound waves at different frequencies and we would see whether there is a reaction for a certain
frequency and to like you know to to measure its hearing frequency we we figured out like they
could also hear at ultrasonic you know know, ultrasound, like, you know, higher wavelengths.
So this is something cool. Like we looked into different model organisms and yeah.
That's really cool.
And that could also be, I feel like that's something that's streamable too, you know,
you have these different sound waves playing.
Yeah, I have a bunch of videos on this uh which
we recorded basically for the for that project uh we also recorded like we had a high speed camera
which was recording all these movements at a very you know like higher frame rate so you can see
like little movements um with crickets we were measuring um the the g-force that they kind of impart when they land.
So it's close to 60 to 70 G-force.
Each jump, right?
At each jump, they land at 60 G-force.
Humans could only survive, I guess, maximum 8 or 10, 12, something.
Probably 12 is the highest.
Probably you would die like nerves will
burst. But 60 g-force, the small tiny organism, that's, that's, that's super crazy. And then
we looked into like what gives them so much protection, like how would they jump like that?
We just figured out they just have two muscles to do all of this. We have like bunch of muscles,
we could not do it. Like they just have two muscles, which literally like dust all of this. And yeah, they have
two muscles with three nerves, literally doing all the functions. Like you can see how things
are very simple. Like when things are very simple, it's more, you know, agile and flexible.
But when you make things more complex, it becomes more vulnerable.
Look at humans.
We need optimal, you know, weather.
We need so-and-so conditions for us to survive.
Otherwise, you know, like,
we are kind of trapped because of our biology,
the complexity of our biology.
If you look at, like, tiny, small organisms like bacteria,
they could survive even in space right like
crazy right yeah yeah that is so cool and that's that's another like that's that's the type of
research that isn't necessarily you know immediately translatable but it's like really
really cool and i think that um people would really respond well for like being
exposed to that type of research don't you think? I definitely think so because
you know let's not look at science as purely transactional. Science is
primarily driven by curiosity and this curiosity doesn't have to always
translate into a real product or a service or should solve a world problem.
Rather than this could act as a building block for building our knowledge base as a species, right?
Like we could learn biomimicry from different organisms, different species,
and then we could then adopt these things.
I think these studies, which are more fundamental in nature,
helps us figure out
these fundamental blocks while i was doing the study on insects what i figured out was
spiders don't have muscles at all you know how do they move they basically do hydraulics
they pump fluid into their legs to move so they don't have muscles at all yeah literally i was i was like once i heard that once i heard
that i got shocked and then i just you know uh imagined what if i am you know if i could
shrink myself to a a micro level micro scale and then look at this spider how fascinating sort of a robot it would look like right literally having a web spinner
butthole and you have a fluid like fluid like literally hydraulics working
for making able to move and all of that like dude biology is so crazy and so fascinating i think
general curiosity is very important i think people people would love it, like, to have, look at all these cool things that, you know, the ways, I think, Dan,
it's not about the topic, it's about how you investigate things, what's the process you take,
what's the approach with all your intrusions, how you are going to solve or answer this question,
right? I think that's the best part of science like be it biological sciences or physics or
whatever right like it's about the the right questions and the the kind of
steps that you take to solve the problem
absolutely yeah yeah sorry we I think we kind of deviated from community to
biology to curiosity we got hey listen we're a
couple bio nerds yeah when you talk about exciting exciting science we can't help ourselves yeah
they're going with the flow i didn't want to you know yeah yeah absolutely um maybe maybe we can
put it out to any any community any people in the call right now that have like any questions or
suggestions for community building what's
worked for you what do you want to see um in the design space yeah please come up raise
your hands or send me a request i'm gonna let you speak uh yeah and if you are here for the first time come up say hi feel free to jump in
so yeah until someone comes up Renu is already up I want to ask her about her kitty project.
She is doing these cute kitty doodles
for explaining DSi, DLT, Web3 or whatever.
Like, you know, I'm super fan of your kitty project.
Tell us more, what are you currently working on?
What sort of new art we can expect from you.
As a cat parent, I'm a huge fan, by the way. Love it.
Yeah, of course. I mean, I started this just because I wanted to understand what DLT and blockchain and how these are linked to all of these things.
So for me, I've always been this person who tries to metaphorically learn new things.
So I began creating these short documents.
They were all small hand-drawn items where I could just try to understand. So with our Molecules Decide You course, so every course I started drafting these small metaphors.
So for DLT and D-Sci, I tried to relate it to like maybe cats and
fish. So the fish could be like whatever data they capture. And this could be like logged into books
and terms. So it just became like really easy for me to understand. And I thought like, why not put
it out there? So whoever's interested could also learn it in a different way.
Because for me personally, I think blockchain and DLT,
all of these and tokenization, everything's like super complex.
Coming from like a life science background,
it's something that is quite, it's a huge labyrinth to understand.
So trying to put it across in a way
that the most simplest of things
so that anyone can understand.
So tomorrow, I was just thinking about it in a way
like tomorrow if I have to show my PhD colleagues,
like one of my friends who's doing a PhD
or like a master's student
or even a bachelor's student
who's just started biotech
to show them
that there is something like this which they can explore this would be easy it would just like grab
their attention it's like a two three minute of a glance for them to understand what's exactly
happening so I thought yeah I mean I will be like probably creating more of these metaphors like based on what I'm learning and just put it up for everyone to also have a look at it. Yeah, they're so good. I would love to see just the continued series, Renu. I think that
it's been great so far. So it's really cool. Are there any maybe topics outside of like Crypto and Web 3 that you
could see the series also sort of like encompassing? Yeah, I was thinking of like even creating certain
like infographic videos. So I have done that for like my challenge as well. um i wanted to create something like this uh for all like small
concepts of biology like for uh people who are just starting off and also maybe uh to those who
are just interested in biology but then they're from different backgrounds because i think um
the whole world of where we were looking at domain specific learning everything is all gone
looking at domain specific learning everything is all gone and decent like right now interdisciplinary
knowledge is very important so i i see a lot of people who are from like mathematics backgrounds
economics and then even like physics who are interested in biology and they feel they could
do something but just because they don't have a background in it they're not
able to directly contribute so maybe like videos or like just these kind of small posts which can
help them learn what exactly is happening in biology where is where does research stand in
general what are the problems we're facing if they could help us out in some way.
Because one interesting thing that I found was one of my relatives, he works in astrophysics,
and apparently they have a very structured approach of how they deal with their research
data. It's a complete open topic. So whatever research happens across the entire globe, all of the astrophysics scientists and students, everyone are aware of it. So it's like people are already up to date. But unfortunately, science, like especially life science is not working around in the same way.
working around in the same way. So I think these kind of things which we can incorporate from other
fields and other domains which they're working around, which is working out well for them to
integrate and have a huge community and everyone updated in the community is something that we can
also learn from. So I wanted to create something so we could also share
but get some inputs from their end as well so yeah i think uh this is like another way of community building because it's a very interesting way how the rest of the domains work apart from
life science yeah it's almost like community bridges uh too you're you're connecting it all i think that
that's really cool and it sounds like the astrophysics world is doing what like open
science is set out to do which is just like make we we don't need to silo off our our discoveries
you know it's it's there is no i guess you, maybe proof of invention and stuff has made it, will make it a
little bit easier for people to feel free to share their, their discoveries because they've already
been protected. But I, I hear what you're saying about that. And I think that it is paramount that,
you know, life sciences, even, you know, we bring in some people from like humanities and the arts
because the more information that is, you know, put before people and the more sort of like
connections that we can see, the more like inspiration and I think imagination we're
going to be able to use. And as a scientist myself, imagination is like my number one,
like most used resource because I'm constantly trying to like imagine what the results that I'm getting and, you know, what the, you know, tiny result of a single experiment could mean for the greater picture.
And I think that with the, you know, combination of all these different areas, we're just going to have even more like reactions that can create these cool ideas. So I'm excited to see where it goes from here. And I'm looking
forward to seeing more of your work, Reena. Thank you. Yeah, yes, of course. Actually,
a lot of these kind of things are like super fascinating, especially one thing that stuck to
me from the astrophysics community is that they said, he told me the sky is open to
everyone. Like it's, everyone can see the sky from wherever they are, irrespective of where
they are, like, you know, in the entire globe. And I feel it's the same thing for biology as well,
because everyone has the same body, the same system, the same microbes they're surrounded with. So there's technically
no boundaries around there, but we have created boundaries and we have created it to become so
siloed that the access has become very restricted. And now breaking these barriers is kind of like
hard, but I think there are like a lot of people interested. So we just have to seek help
from like other communities who are already working around and doing it their way. And yeah,
of course, I feel inherently like a scientist is super adaptable, because we are meant to think,
imagine, and even think out of the box and incorporate like crisis management everything's
like inherently within us but unfortunately when we come together as a whole body we're not open
to adapting a lot of things so it goes down in hierarchy and somewhere there's something going wrong which we have to identify i wrote an article i think it was
last month or in february um for listeners you can check in the molecules website in the learn page
and we discussed about the academic silos like why it happened because it was not always like this
like in renaissance times polymaths who you know, working math and astrophysics and science and arts all together like Da Vinci.
He was an artist as well as he was a physician or engineer in his time.
time but somewhere along the way something happened as renu you said and the reason for this
But somewhere along the way, something happened, as Renu, you said.
my research showed me the reason for this is the industrial revolution actually and they needed more
specialized people they wanted people to focus on a single subject and specialize in this and become
as efficient as possible but in reality okay maybe they
got more efficient but they lost a really valuable perspective in there and now we don't see you know
a biologist collaborating with an artist or we don't see you know a physics department collaborating with, I don't know, calligraphy.
But normally, real breakthroughs can come from interdisciplinary approach.
Like Steve Jobs, he was into calligraphy and he was, of course, into tech.
And he said the aesthetic design of Apple is on to his interest in calligraphy because
he was interested in art.
So if we can encourage more
interdisciplinary approach,
I think we can bring the
Renaissance soul back a bit.
But it is hard to achieve these days.
I like that.
And it is really difficult. I feel like even just if you think about, you know, how we are raising, you know, your paintings and your art, different types of art.
And you do like all sorts of like math and science activities and, you know, sports and athletic stuff as well.
And then as you as you develop and you're, you know, your people that are taking care of you see that you're you're talented or you have a proclivity for, you know, a certain one of those things.
They kind of start to push you down a more narrow path. But I think that we'd probably
see some more like really cool innovations if we just let people sort of keep a more holistic
approach. And so hopefully we can bring that to people with DSI. We get more people interested
in the art, more people interested in the science, more people interested in the tech and Web3 of it all.
I know I would need help with the art stuff.
My graphics for my paper figures always look like trash when I try to draw them myself.
draw them myself. So I feel like maybe every biology grad student or something should get
an art grad student that they are collaborating with or something. Maybe we could do more
like team-based higher education through the DSi-EDU because we have very
various backgrounds like scientists, biotech backgrounds, and web3 background, and social science. So when these different
perspectives come together, I think we can really create interesting ideas. Like, Renu, I know you
have science background, but your drawings are incredible. Share your secrets with us. I love
them. So it is really hard when you are into, I don't know, science, you miss the
communications part, for instance. That's how I ended up in scientific communication, because I
know many amazing researchers I have come across during my academic life. And I know they're
amazing in their lab, but they cannot present their ideas or research that good.
And when you cannot present them in a good way, they are basically lost.
So I think also scientists need more communication or presentation education,
which is always, I don't know, ignored somehow.
Yeah, actually.
Yeah.
You can go.
Go ahead, Raina.
Yeah, actually, I completely agree with Chansu over here
because I've seen a lot of really good scientists.
They're amazing.
They're super brainy.
But unfortunately, they aren't able to communicate well enough
in order to showcase that their research work, what has been done, is actually of good value.
And there are people who aren't really good scientists, but excellent communicators who unfortunately even like how we learned about the case of, you know, just publications, which all were retracted.
So there are like people both ways. And in order to balance it out, I think it's important to
make sure good scientists are put out there in the market and they are promoting their research.
If they don't want to do it themselves, maybe they should also have help, which is given to them by giving like the help of a scientific communicator who can just help them convert their science into actual presentations, actual videos to help them out. really important and very nice aspect because for me, I was a people person. So that was the reason
I tend to move out from what I was doing in my lab work, because it was very daunting for me to
sit in one lab and then just work continuously without having to talk to anyone. But I see there
are a lot of people on the other spectrum who just enjoy being to themselves. And that's the reason they've chosen this entire field of working in a lab space, working in scientific research. But when
we tell them to just present one aspect of their data, they just decide not to do it because
they don't have the confidence and they just don't feel like speaking to people around.
So I think bridging these aspects is also a good way of
building community and bringing in people from the other end, like the actual scientists on board,
like to understand what they're doing and where they can even contribute. So it's very important.
Absolutely. And if you want to look at a couple projects that I think are doing a really good job of that, AB4AD from that was tokenized on Molecule. Danny is a really cool
scientist. He stays in the like Telegram chat and he is like constantly giving updates and sort of
always willing to share and talk about the data in a way that's like accessible to people. to, you know, create that persona and be someone that is able to, you know, get their message across to many people, no matter what sort of like level of understanding they have.
And I think that's something that, you know, people can take inspiration from like the
Web3 and crypto space, because I think a lot of the, like, most important part about crypto and all the influence there is being this persona
that people know and people feel comfortable with. And so if you're able to bring that to your
very cool scientific research, more people are going to be interested in it. You're going to
continue to build that community of people who are like, not only relating to the problem you're trying to solve, but they're relating to you on like a personal level, which is, you know, priceless when it when it comes to sort of like the type of interaction we're looking for in this space of answering the question that I started with.
You know, how do you keep these funders or the community members excited through the long run of the project?
The answer probably is by having an engaging scientist who is ready to have this dialogue with people who don't really you know strongly
understand science so that if you have an empathetic researcher who is happy about sharing his findings
explaining these questions and ready to take feedbacks from people who are going through this
real problem every day I think that bridging of these two communities, scientists and the patients or
citizens, right? Like I think that's the whole, I think, you know, match made in heaven for DCI.
Yeah, for it to really succeed. Nothing else is all background noise noise but i think these are the primary cores if you if you
would solve this problem if you have the best fit here i think it gets automatically figured out
heck yeah it seems like a no-brainer
yeah all right um anyone wants to come up do you guys have questions
now it's your time to come up ask your questions if you want to uh say hi please request for
speaker uh yeah let us know if you've got like a community that we haven't talked about yet that you want to, that you really enjoyed being a part of.
And if you don't want to talk now, that's okay. You can reply to the space with your answer at a later date.
Yeah.
We'll probably pick this up for the next DSiHAR.
Yeah, absolutely.
We'll be back again next week with more great takes, more chill lives.
And probably more nerdy science as well.
And, yeah, I that's that's a given
i think that we're gonna note out every every week yeah i think naturally we'll end up uh doing that
yeah i have not been able to stop thinking about regenerative agriculture since the call a couple weeks ago and uh really converted me yeah yeah dude i had a one hour call
with him i you know extensively discussed what he has been doing he is 70 years old he has worked on
so many things he has like literally dedicated his life in in in you know changing the soil
um now i'm kind of you know uh doing a citizen science project
at home i bought like bunch of pots uh to grow these plants and i'm now experimenting with soil
quality you know what sort of uh you know healthy manure or compost that you can bring to keep this to make the soil more healthy or to bring
back the microbiome and stuff yeah I think now every time when I taste a vegetable I tell my
mom this is not the true taste I think we should change the window so I think he really you know
brought the impact yeah I'm super happy yeah Yeah, I think it's a good convert.
I think like, yeah, this is a question that we should ask for the future generations, right?
Like, because it's fun and it's easy to say, okay, eating vegetables is healthy, right?
Like eating fruits is good.
But what is there in that vegetable is a really important question.
Because you can simply say cabbage is good but if the cabbage doesn't have that sort of whole nutritive value packed
in it which comes from the soil i think then there's no no point in having cabbages like
you don't really get the real benefits yeah at that point i might as well have a burger
right exactly yeah so that's that's my argument right like you know burgers are not bad uh pizza
is not bad the problem is how you make it where do you source your wrong ideas right are you going
to get a frozen pizza out of uh out of walmart no that's that's terribly wrong like are you going to get a frozen pizza out of Walmart? No, that's terribly wrong.
Are you going to make your pizza with canned stuff,
like canned puree, tomato puree, and all of this processed food?
Again, this is not good.
But if you do it with fresh produce,
I think pizzas are still good.
Burgers are still good.
It's all about how processed your food is before it comes to your plate.
I think it starts from the soil. So I made a change in our vision document. Earlier it was
microbiome health and nutrition. Now it's soil health and nutrition. So soil is
part of our health. I think we shouldn't ignore that
yeah absolutely awesome i think with this good message uh it's time to uh close up all i see
dr yuzi uh he is uh he's a he's a i think he's a he's a great uh d, is a great DSI community member.
He is building a DSI cult.
He's a PhD.
Yeah.
I would like to hear from him if he is interested.
Otherwise, we can close the call and, yeah, join us next week.
Yeah, for sure.
Awesome. yeah join us next week yeah for sure awesome i think yeah it's it's good all of you guys stay tight um you all next week
so oh you requested. Thank you for attending.
Yeah, Dr. Yuzi, any quick words before we sign off for the day?
Hey, you, I guess. How it's doing? You can hear me? Yes. about? What is the topic? We were discussing about communities.
I think
yeah, how these
high communities are growing,
what are the ways to build
these high communities, how to keep people
engaged and so on. But I think
you have a lot of crazy points for us.
You've been building a cult
in these high.
Yeah, I think that I think next week is
the DSAI week because that byproductals and also Palm Science Research Hub and
they were drawing the token 2040 2049 and out of the leading design projects i don't think i don't know that the molecular
dot will join or not but i think you guys uh at the same same board right and they will talk to
cz from binance and cz will call the design sectors on his Twitter and I think that next week DeSai volume is huge.
We need to prepare that, you know, it's very hot. Yeah. Yeah, I think yeah, that's it's it's time to
get ready. I think there's gonna be a huge march towards DeSai very soon. I'm seeing a
huge march towards DeSci very soon. I'm seeing a sort of relief in the market
currently and I think with token 2049 I think it's gonna act as a catalyzer for
another DeSci push. I'm super bullish about it. Yes for sure and I think that
DeSci is shifting to the NICE paradigm
because I noticed a lot of the project,
they involve more AI agents and also some cutting-edge AI
like graph knowledge, knowledge map,
or some other reinforcement learning in their specific sectors.
And I think that the narratives of the DSI is shifting into the DSI and this is for a good point
because I still think that the DSI players and also the practitioners and
we are actually professional guys and but we know that the decent things that need us slowly to build, right?
We cannot, like the other sectors, we just pump and dump.
That is not sustainable.
I think that we still need a good time,
and I still think that design is good investment targets, right?
For the originals, for the regions.
And they will see that if they fail, these sectors will be regretted.
Yeah, 100%.
I think I see this recent bear run as a market reset i think now people are re-evaluating where to you know put
their bets because most of the projects of probably some of the projects have been overhyped
inflated pump and dump but disa is something that comes with real value, not just for your bags,
but also for your life and like healthcare and all of that,
science and all of this,
which is so important for the humanity.
I think this is a good cause.
That's why I'm super bullish about this.
Yeah.
Thanks, Dr. Yu, for joining and sharing your wisdom with us.
Welcome, bro. Thanks Dr. Yu for joining and sharing your wisdom with us.
Welcome bro.
All right. It's time to close our call.
Yep.
Thanks so much for coming out everybody.
We'll see you next week at office hours, all right?
All right.
See you next week.
Signing off.
See you everyone everyone thanks for attending Thank you.
