Hi, Jalani. Do you hear me? Yes, I hear you, Kevin. How are you? Oh, I'm fine. Thank you. And you? I'm good. I'm good. So you sound great. So that's good. I did great.
Usually we gave it a little bit, you know, about until about five minutes after it starts, just a lot of people to kind of populate the audience and then we'll take it off. As I mentioned, one thing that would be
be good is to maybe have the edica if you have let's say a laptop that you can open up have the edica handle in the audience so that people can go directly to it and follow it if you choose to speak from your own personal account.
I mean, I mean, you mean a link. No, not the link, the actual, so Erika has its own Twitter profile, right? Yeah, but yeah, I don't have access to this, I mean, to this account. Okay.
Let me check. Because the owner of the account is someone from the community. So I don't have admin access, but I think he sent me like a kind of access where I can make some tweets or something like this. So I will check if I
Well, it's okay. It's fine. It's not a big deal. If you want to send a message and say, "Hey, listen, maybe throw the account into the list." And that's fine. Otherwise, I have some pinned tweets at the top here that people can use to go to the account. So it's not a big deal.
So it's no problem. So we'll just wait a little bit. Just wait a little bit, let more people come in and then we will get started. Kevin, before we actually get to that, do you speak French? Yes. OK, you're from France, right?
Yes, okay, so if ever just for consistency say if ever you need to switch between the two languages which file file so C effects are so much prep up Okay But we'll try to keep it in English as much as possible so that you know
We have other people in but those who are listening if you want to come up and ask questions French and English spaces, which will be good. Hey Victor, it's always good to see you. And then we have a few other listeners that I
I've never seen but you guys are welcome as well to be here. So we'll just we'll kick it off in a couple minutes just let more people come in and then we'll get to learn about what Edica is building and yeah, so be there in a two seconds two minutes. Okay.
Yeah, I want to add, you know, if you have questions, don't hesitate to ask. And I think it can be like an exchange, rather than question and answer, it would be even better for the community. So don't hesitate.
That is actually a really good point. So the flow of the conversation is not it's not so much an interview. It's more of a discussion between the two of us to be trying to understand more about yourself but also the platform. But to that point is exactly we want this to be more of a pluralistic
space. So anybody in the audience and as the audience feels out, I'll be sure to remind them. But if there are any comments, questions, insights you want to have during our discussion, please do not feel afraid. Put in a request. I'll bring you up. You don't have to wait till the end. This is going to be
The Web 3D-Size space is a collaborative, high-contact space. We're keen to have conversations rolling on the spot and in the motion. We'll get started in about one minute. I'm just going to send out a tweet.
I'll look at that. You feel great. Always good to have more people. Shout out to you. If you guys have not seen, there's a conference coming up very, very soon for those you in the Balkans or the general area who can get there. This is going to be a great opportunity to learn more about these side. Also show
whatever DSI platform and protocol that you yourself are building out. So if you're interested in that, check out the the DSI Belgrade website sign up as a speaker, as a presenter for workshops, even for attendance, it's free. It'll be a really good time.
So we're about five minutes past so I think we can get started. So as is the case with our usual things we'll do with our little intro. So hello everybody. My name is Giovanni and welcome to the 30 second episode of the D-Sci Rises.
in series, put on by DSI World, where our goal here is always to provide an opportunity for many of the wonderful projects on our growing DSI World dashboard. To just formally introduce themselves, update their progress, highlight their achievements, and just generally engage with both the DSI World
and why to decide community. Now the idea behind all this is always that at DSI World we're very much believe that more than the tech, more than the funding, it is the community leveraging these tools. That is essentially what is going to usher in many of the changes that we
We are looking for desides to bring to the various legacy stem of the streets. In today's episode, the pleasure of speaking with Kevin Wyve, who is the actual founder of Erika, which is a community driven blockchain that aims to fund open source
medical research without the need for intellectual property. And this is actually really interesting perspective. And so with that being said, welcome Kevin and thank you for taking the time today to help us learn more not just about yourself but also the extensive work being done at Editha.
Hi, Johnny nice to be here and yeah, I mean, I it's a very good pleasure. I know and I hope we can cover the world because there is a lot to say Absolutely, I think I went through I've been going through you guys's website and there's a lot going on there a lot of really interesting
initiatives. It's like an ecosystem all into itself. It covers financing intellectual property, not so much as an actual patent, but the idea behind it, scientific discovery, innovation. I think there's a lot to really dive into. I feel like Edeclad doesn't get
the attention as much attention as other projects in the space and hopefully from this we can kind of spin that up forward and get people to engage and leverage these tools, this very active tool that can be used to help further their funding or further their research. So with that said, how about we
start all the way back from the beginning and we kind of go into introduction. So, you know, Kevin, I'd love to hear what your Pakul, what your trajectory has been that has led you to where you are now in the Web 3 space. How did you get involved in Web 3 and where did that start? Yeah. So,
First of all, I think the very important point to understand about each guy is a community driven project. The only thing I did was make the technical thing the code and then I published the
and back in 2019. And slowly, you know, people have seen the white paper and the community are starting to grow. So right now, you know, we don't have any companies. There is no private company behind the ECHICAR. It's a company open source and it's a 100% community driven.
So, I mean, my position is not very important because the goal is to truly create a neutral protocol that is controlled by no one and that is completely censorship-resistant. So, and this is something very important to know about HGAR.
That's a really good point because for those individuals that exist in the space that are decentralized, Maxis, there are very few really decentralized protocols whether it be in Web3, but especially in decentralized science. That is partially because
The criteria and the particularities of science require filtering layers, people who have experience in terms of judging and validating what proposals come through. Be that as it may, I think Erika Ali is based off of what you just said and I love how you extra
yourself as being, you know, I'm not I'm just the creator of the code. The community has kind of taken it upon itself and it's edicons become, you know, what it is from the, from the perspective of the community. There are very few projects, if any, maybe one or two that exists in DC, then I like that.
So that's congratulations for setting that president forward. I mean, thank you, you know, but yeah, this is the ethos of Edgar and I think you know when a curing she is building the first momentum the first ethos of the curing she is very important and it's
And then I think it's immense, you know, because for instance, I'm a very big supporter of Monero, and I also know that Monero was built this way. And today it's still something that is very profound within the community. So I hope that in the future when Edgar will grow and it will become much bigger.
that this ethos was for men, you know that basically anyone the community went, someone has an idea, someone wants to take something in charge, you know, there is nothing preventing it, there is no like private entity, everything is fully open and this is the way we are organizing ourselves right now.
Magnificent, so decentralized minded from inception. I guess for the people from inception. That's a great thing. But still, my first, you know, the initial question is how did you get there? So what led to you creating the code base that would give rise to to Etica?
Yeah, for sure. So basically I was involved in blockchain since 2014 and so first I was into the Bitcoin ecosystem and then very happily, you know, I identified a third-year technology and so back in 2015, 2016, I was in the
first developers in France to discover the Ethereum blockchain. So I've seen the first projects that started on Ethereum. It was like there was a GAO for
trying to make a slow-kid, trying to make a kind of Airbnb decentralized. And so I tried very early to identify the potential use cases of blockchain and for weak industry could be the best. And when I
had the idea to implement a blockchain for this particular problem of Intake for Probability. It's like everything was very clear that it was something very important to do and it was the right thing to do. So back in 2018,
I started to work on this and I even tried to get an appointment with some researchers at the Institute of Pasteur in France back in 2018. And then I've got the smart contract in 2019.
And the white paper was published also in the Satushina Kamoto emailing list in 2019. And yeah, this is basically how we saw it. Just trying to connect with this particular issue. And yeah.
Awesome. And so are you, are you a scientist, but are you, do you, do you, do your background stem from the biomedical field in addition to computation? Yeah, I mean, I'm not a scientist. I'm not like, I don't have a degree in science that I've always been interested in science.
and when my school, I was into the scientific field. So I have this experience of science, but I'm not like I didn't go into
like making a degree in science. But I have this, you know, this is a mind of curiosity and science, all of this. So right now, I think with the emergence of new technologies like AI and other technologies, I think we are going to see a lot of breakthrough in
to science and it's also important to have a different viewpoint when it comes to science because I think right now because science is not enough open source. So we do not share enough ideas and
I do feel like the way we are doing science today is too much closed, so there are not an unviating ideas of people. And also, you know, I don't expect only scientists to go into HCA because, as I said,
This is completely open source and open to everyone. So this is more like the fact that there will be a variety of ideas and people that have never been exposed to this kind of problems as well, they can submit new ideas and new proposals.
That's amazing. I think that speaks very much of the ethos of the site. As somebody who is not well person to the scientists, but for yourself, as somebody who is not necessarily a former trained scientist, but pumping in and seeing a problem in society, it could have been any other problem. But putting forth the initiative to actually build a
that addresses that and then allowing it to be or building it in such where leveraging decentralized tooling which allows it to kind of take on a life of its own and evolve through community engagement. That in and of itself is these side right that's the whole premise behind these side so exactly that people can come in you know not
Imagine they can fork the code but they can also propose internally to the direction. And I noticed as an example of this, Erika in the white paper talks a lot about biomedical implication. But I imagine that this tool case, this tool set is applicable to anything. So whether I be an anthropology or astrophysics or space.
anybody can leverage this code base, this tooling to help fund their research proposals. I think what you just said, you know, this is very strong, you know, because exactly, you know, because I think, you know,
The Edgecar white paper, as you said, it introduces a new system to basically fund any open source initiative through a mechanism that does not require intakes for poverty and that incentivize its participants and its community to
to engage in this research process where basically each part does not have like they do not have to have a common thing, I mean they do not have to, they can be counterpart, they can have no relation between each other but they can
still engage in something that makes sense in a common goal to make open source research. So as you said, this can be applied to any industry. The reason edge guys focused on the medical research is because I think this is where the intake for probably
as the more important role and the most important impact. And this is where we can have the more impact to open science because right now we know with the journals, with the economy of the world economy, the intellectual property that is a lot to do
So, let's talk about that. Let's, before we get into how ethical works and what the user interfaces and how can somebody come in and leverage the actual platform, let's take a step back and talk about the mission. So, what is your, from your perspective, what is the issue with intellectual property?
relates to in your case biomedical sciences. What is it that you're trying to solve for by building edica? Yeah, I mean I think this is mainly twofold. I think there are a lot of issues but there are too many issues I believe. So the first one I think is
about efficiency, you know, because I believe that open source is much more efficient than any closed system. So the cost for society of not having something open source is that basically we could potentially find fuels and treatments much faster
But we do not because the current system is not efficient. So this is, I think, the first main issue is this question of efficiency. And the second issue is, I mean, this is obvious, when we see
the researchers that have to pay in order to publish something that they have made research for. This is absolutely crazy. When I discovered the system where basically when a researcher, after the researcher has done a lot of research and the researcher wants to share the
research with the world. Not only they are not paid for it, but they have to pay. And like we're talking about thousands of dollars of fees just to publish. So I think this is absolutely crazy. And with EdgeKind, you know, basically it's completely opposite. So when a researcher finds something
They can go on the blockchain, they can post it, and they can make a proposal. And then within weeks, if the proposal is accepted, they are going to be funded for the idea of the contribution to society. So this is a completely new vision of how to make research.
I see. That's very interesting. So I would go back and touch upon a few things. I would push back slightly on the notion of open source, necessarily being
more efficient. I think it's selectively just like it's counterpart. It's selectively it's efficient where it is and it's in it's not efficient where it's not. So I agree with you that having something more open source gives rise to more efficient innovation or more innovation more opportunities.
opportunity for innovation because you have ideas colliding and clashing. There's a high level of entropy within the system. As it relates to necessarily pushing things forward, the flip side of that is that there's a lot more noise that exists.
a system that is fully open or with a lot of participants, not fully open, but a lot of participants in it, sometimes ideas can get lost just because of the sheer volume of interactions and collisions and ideas that come forth in such a system.
Well, I agree. I think there are pros to the more closed system, but the problem that I see is that it's the only option currently. That's the issue for me. I think you should be able to pick and choose the beneficial points of either system, but there should be that opportunity there.
Yeah, for sure. I think the way this is going to evolve is more like the parallel system that offer an alternative to people that want to engage in open source research. And to answer your question about the issue of kind of focus, you know, because
Because if there are too many proposals, if there are too many things shared, then it can lose focus. I think the way the HGAR block is going to evolve is that there are going to be a lot of debates around proposals. Because right now, when someone wants to
What happens is that the journal is going to employ a few experts. So basically the paper is going to be analyzed by two or three experts that are going to review the research. But with EdgeGuy this is going to become
different because since everything is open it means that when there will be a proper submitted on the network then there will be communities waiting for proper so let's take an example let's say you know this there was a
community about specific cancer and someone submitted a proposal to the specific disease to cancer. So what will happen is once the research are published into the cancer disease, then there will be a lot of communities, a lot of websites that are waiting
for proposals about the specific disease. And there will be debates from these communities around the proposals that are coming. And since these communities will be up to date to the coaching edge technology to the coaching edge research, they will not develop kind of expertise to analyze proposals
and to identify what is very revolutionary, what is just an upgrade and allocate the resources depending on that. So I think once you open, if you have a good organization on top of the openness, I think this can lead to more efficiency.
I absolutely agree with you. I think one of the biggest things that holds back science as an industry and also the implementation in society is the lack of scientific literacy and that is a direct product or a partial direct product of the abstraction of science away from every day.
day to day and the styling of it. Even within the scientific community, it's sometimes difficult to get your hands on or become exposed to foundational research or at least the data that underlies that particular research. That inherently is a
lack of or fosters a lack of understanding. I completely agree with you. Opening up the scientific paradigm in a variety of different ways, leveraging tech like Erika Dowles as an orientation or a coordination tool for the community as well as other tooling is what I think will bring back the
capacity for people to have these engaged and well informed decision or make have these engaged and well informed discussion that leads to better outcomes of whether it be therapies or tech or innovation. Completely agree with you.
Edica itself, let's walk me through the process. So I have a researcher, I want to leverage the tooling and the Edica blockchain to help support my ideas, my endeavors, my research protocol. Walk me through it. How do I do this? Yeah.
The way it works, if let's take an example, a concrete example. So let's say you know you are a researcher, you've just made a research, so you have a paper to publish and you made a research about, let's say, lung cancer, you know. So you've just made your research, now you want to be funded.
Okay, so the weight walks is that you go on any platform that is connected to the Edgar blockchain. So since Edgar is a blockchain, there could be thousands and a much more websites connected to the Edgar blockchain. So you can go on any
website that is connected to the blockchain and then you can publish your proposal on the network. Once you have published your proposal on the network, there is a voting system by the token orders of the blockchain that can basically choose to accept or reject your proposal
and depending on the outcome of the votes.
5 weeks later, you get funded. So as we said, how you expand with the HCA blockchain is like you can make very often proposals, you know, because currently how funding works is more based on long-term processes, you know, because we are talking about
years and sometimes several years you know for the funding process. If you have a grant system the grant is going to take it you know maybe every couple of years so you take the grant then you are funded for some years and then you come back to to get it you know.
But with EdgeGuy, this is a short-term, short process, and this allows to share research much more frequently. So, as a researcher, every time you know you find something that is interesting for the community, you can go on the blockchain, you post your paper,
Then there is a voting process that lasts about five weeks, and then five weeks later, we get funded for what you have contributed to the community.
interesting. So it's actually a little bit more like a retroactive funding opportunity, right? So as somebody who, who in your example, I've done the research, I'm posting my article or the publication
And then I'm getting funded based off of people's interest in that proposal. So it's more of a retroactive funding system. Yes, yes, it's it's
It's not like a grant system where you get funded before you make the research. It's more like you have to have something already know that is good for the community and for the research before you can get funded.
interesting. So this now starts to fall into the realm of the quote unquote "fipersurts," or "fipersurts equivalent," which is a slightly different variation of this idea of public retroactive public goods funding that is coming out of protopal labs. Interesting.
So, okay. And in terms of the actual size of the funding or size, I guess in this case the reward for contributing to scientific knowledge. I imagine that
The more you submit proposal, the smaller the bounty or the smaller the amount or the financial value of that funding or that reward is, or is that somewhat, how does that work within the system?
Can you repeat your question? So if I come and I post my proposal, yeah, I will post one proposal. What's the total value or what's the value of the reward that I can expect to receive? Yeah, so what the protocol does so
So first of all, the protocol has its own currency. And so this currency is issued by the neutral protocol. And so what happens is that every week there was a fixed amount of this currency, which is named Edgar ETI. So this
This currency is issued by the protocol every week. So there is a fixed amount issued by the protocol. And what happens is that anyone can submit proposals to get a part of this week of this weekly reward every week.
What would happen with time is that it will even, I think it will, like, there will be proposals to meet each each week, but not like all the proposals the same week. So what happens is when proposals are submitted, they take a share of this reward.
I see. So it's based off of the 2% emission or the emission schedule of the token. Okay. So that introduces interesting parameters here, right? Because now we're delving into DeFi based or decentralized finance based
funding or alternative funding of research. And I would argue that most forms of even in DCI, most forms of funding coming in are not so much leveraging DPI and I hope to see that more going forward. But okay, so in terms of the value of the
Is it, is it, is the emission, is it always based off of the emission or is it based off of also the value of the token? So as an example here, if I get 1% of the emissions and the token is $1, will I still get 1% of the emissions if the token is 1 cent?
Yeah, I mean the token is completely, I mean, there is no link between, there is no technical link between like, it's not, there is no like a stable coin, you know, so the protocol as its own currency and then it's like with Bitcoin and Monero, it means that
the market will establish the price of this currency. I believe this will be based on the research that is done within the protocol. There is a research done and you get 10 ETI. This 10 ETI may be
in 2003, this dangeritis will be like worth $1 and potentially in 2030 or after, you know, it would be worth much, much more, you know. So when you get the reward, it's the reward of this currency.
And then there is a market, you know, this is a currency that will be traded on exchanges. So there will be a price of this currency. And then the researcher wants, they receive the currency, they can decide to hold it or they can decide to set it back to finance anything they need to finance. And yes, this is a way to work.
interesting. And so this opens up a, you know, we're going to deviate a little bit away from the scientific perspective and into the economics. And I think this is important as it relates to the centralized
as well. What is fueling the value of the token? So if you don't have intellectual property, where is the value coming from to support that kind of economy?
Yeah, I think, you know, this comes down to the blockchain ecosystem because I believe that the blockchain technology, there was a huge excitement, you know, the beginning of blockchain, but then I think people did not understand what blockchain should be useful.
what it will mean for how civilization. So I believe that blockchain is necessary and very useful to solve civilization issues. So we have Bitcoin and Monero that are solving the problem of money issuance and
creating a new system where we do not need central entities like central banks to create money. So I think this is a huge problem that our civilization had and that blockchain would resolve. Then I think the second very important issue of our civilization that's
And this is why the edge card blockchain was created. And I think that having search and impact on society,
This is what will bring the value. The same way, BeKaren and Monero will have value in the future because they all, cryptocurrencies that solve civilization issue, I think ECHKA will have the same kind of impact. And this is what will bring value on the long term.
Well, I will say this. Bitcoin's value is its finite scarcity. Monero's value is its privacy. Etica's value as it relates to intellectual property is, or the lack there, or the funding of science is
is valuable to an extent, but it's not something that's not what's going to inject value into the token. That's one use case of it. And arguably because it is a blockchain, anybody can start to develop utility for it. Anybody can develop dApps on it that are
not related necessarily to the scientific endeavor. But my only one hiccup or caveat that I might see here is that you may not have sufficient value present to warn people wanting to leverage it for funding or for retroactive funding.
I get 23 cents back because the value of the token is so low, then it's not worth me using my proposals there. There has to be a reason why somebody outside of just publishing would value that token.
The same issue we know that Bitcoin had in early days, because on the other days someone could have argued that Bitcoin could never succeed because since the asteroid is very low at the beginning, then anyone, any entity that identified Bitcoin in its early days,
days will have enough ash weight to basically end Bitcoin. But I think with time, the first, what we have seen with Edgar is that first we had a community of miners that came and identified Edgar. And now
So, it is starting to be traded on exchanges with an increasing activity. So, I think there will be early people that will identify the technology and that will give it its value in all the days.
or taking more risk because they are entering in all days, the same way that the people that entered into Bitcoin in 2009, 2009, 2012 and 2011, they took more risk to enter and report school in all days. But with time, I think we see more adoption and
Also, the participants of the network would change of nature, you know, because in early days of Bitcoin, the people that were mining Bitcoin, it was just, you know, small computers, small individuals, but with time it has changed and it has professionalized itself and companies
to use it. So basically, I think potentially in five to 10 years, some companies will use Edgar as a funding mechanism because this is not because it is an open source system that companies cannot use it. This is a new way to organize research.
And it is like a framework for research and in the future, these could even fund companies. So the question of the amount of how the world can fund the research, there is a way
website, HKANomics, where we met similar simulations of how much research we could fund with HKAN, because once we, something important we didn't say here, that HKAN also has this aspect of scarcity
because you mentioned that what gives value to Bikon is its scarcity. But like, Edgar will also have scarcity because once we reach 21 million Edgar in 10 years, because it will take 10 years to reach 21 million Edgar. And then there will be a fixed inflation of about 1% per year.
And this is this inflation that will reward research. So, Edgkin will be also extremely scarce. People can use it as a store value. But in addition to the store value, they can use Edgkin to orientate research into the open source research.
That's good. And I didn't notice that you had different links on the website and I had a link for it to go check out the website detailing different aspects. I didn't know that the economics one was specifically for a stimulation run in terms of how that works. That's really cool. In terms of
Has there been, so are there active research proposals that have been submitted to the blockchain?
When it comes to the research, we are still very early. So I think the first year I know has been a focus on the blockchain, just getting the blockchain started with the World Acres system, which is always
you know something very hard and harsh but I think on this step you know this is a huge step that Edgecast has done you know right now the ashrade everything has increased and we have more people that are joining the blockchain and right now we are just about to get
when it comes to the actual research, you know, because something also important to mention is that the when it comes to the issuance of HKAR. So the first year it was 90% to the mining reward and 10% to the research. So yes,
something that should be underlined is that there are basically three ways to get Etica right now. It's first to mine it because this is a cryptocurrency that can be mined. The same way a Bitcoin and a money will can be mined. So this is very, you know, like,
No entity and anybody can basically plug the computer and mine some edge cards and then is to publish some research on the network and researchers can publish you know because let's say you are a minor or someone who has
as hardware, yes you can run each car, but if you are a researcher you can earn each car, the same each car by publishing your search and making it open source. And then the other way is to vote on proposals when people
People vote on the proposals, there is a world system that allows you to reward also the people that vote on proposals. And the last way you know is to buy the cryptocurrency on exchanges. These are the main ways to get HK.
interesting. So it's a proof of work system. But I forgot why I came back to this one because can you repeat your question?
Actually forgot my original question what it was around
I mean, essentially, we were going around the value of the blockchain and the proposal moving forward. Oh, no, sorry. It was the--
I lost it. I lost the reason why. - No problem. It's fine. - We can move forward. - My question to you was, have there already been scientific proposals that made it to the chain?
And you said that no, it's in early stages and you're working right now the miners get the lump sum of the emissions. But obviously as liquidity starts to-- - Yeah, that's it, that's right. - Yes, it's it, yes. So the first year there is 90% that goes to the mining world.
and 10% to the research process. The second year there is 80% that goes to the mining reward and 20% to the research. And the third year is 70% and 30% until the fifth year, so the fifth year it will be 50% to mining rewards and 50% to the research.
And after the fifth year, until the 10th year, when we reach 21 million HK, then it's like 50% for mining and 50% for research. So with time, the incentive to publish research on HK is going to increase.
Because right now it's about 8,000 HK every week to reward research and Next year this will increase you know to about 12,000 and yeah until until we reach 21 million HK and then there will be a fixed inflation of 1% right now
And that total 1% will go or I guess maybe 90% of that one for it'll flip 90% of that 1% will go to Research whereas 10 goes to miners or what's that split once we hit that 20 then the the words to my nose completely stops Okay, all the good all the we won't complete he goes to research
So you essentially after 21 million use to which to a different consensus mechanism right? It's still mining Yeah, yeah, because there are two cryptocurrencies on the edge card blockchain So there is one which is it's AI. This is a
cryptocurrency that handles the protocol and we hold researchers and the second cryptocurrency is called EGAS and so this cryptocurrency is what secures the blockchain. So the two cryptocurrency can be mined but after we reach 21 million ETIs
Each, each car will stop the mining process and the only way to get it will be to publish researches on the protocol or to vote on other proposals. And when it comes to, when it comes to what you are saying about what happens, you that then the
cryptocurrencies as keeps going mining is eGaS. So when Edgecast stopped to be mined it doesn't change the consensus mechanism because this is handled by eGaS. Okay, I see. Interesting. Okay. But it is always
well then what gets emitted? So the mining emits e-guas, what emits the FTE-TI.
Now this may be a naive question, I'm not a part chain specialist. No, no, no, I mean, I mean, this kind of questions are the ones that are the more like useful, you know, for people listening, I think.
don't hesitate to ask any question you have. So there are two cryptocurrencies. So there is ETI and there is EGAS. So there are separate cryptocurrencies.
And each of them can be mine. So let's say if you want to mine HGAR, HCI, you have to use a specific minor to mine it. If you want to mine eGARs, you have to use another one. And so,
answer your question is when, if in the future it's possible not to stop the mining process on each eye without impacting what happens on ingots, you know, because they are separate cryptocurrencies, even if they are on the same
That's really good. That's very interesting. So in terms of because it is an open source, nobody's really directing the platform. My usual follow up question is what's the roadmap, but maybe
I can tweak it a little bit in terms of what does the community seem to be pushing forward? Are there any proposals, are there updates, are there updates for proposals like EIPs that have been coming out of the community in terms of what is the orientation that Edica should take?
Yeah, something very interesting in that since Edgar has a very unique and innovative watching process to, you know, to vote on proposals on open source medical research proposals, we can use this system to also organize
how the blockchain evolves. So right now what happens is that there is a specific like what we call a struct that is called HCA. And so on the blockchain there is a kind of a place where people can post exactly what you said, you know, kind of RIPs, so improvement proposal.
to improve the blockchain and then the same system that is used to vote on proposals on medical proposals can be used to vote on such proposals to improve the blockchain. So this is a way you know this is going to evolve that when some
someone wants to change something on the blockchain, the process is to publish an OIP on the Edgar blockchain, then they talk in others they can decide to accept or reject the proposal. And if the proposal is accepted then the change will be implemented into the blockchain.
It's like Ethereum is as if Ethereum had the kind of voting process that allows the token orders to choose the changes. Because HK is a fork of Ethereum classic.
that it is a proof of work cryptocurrency. And you know, on Ethereum, we have seen that how things evolved, that there is this kind of central entity that decides what happens on the blockchain. But this is not how Edgar will evolve. It is always going to be the
that will decide what happens on each revolution. That was going to be my follow-up question actually, specific to that. Ethereum has the Ethereum foundation that essentially comes in and tweaks and pushes Shanghai update and all these kind of things. There's no equivalent in Erika, is that correct?
Yeah, there was no equivalent to Echcaria. I mean, right now the weight evolves. It's fully committed driven. There was no entity behind it. Up to now, this is evolving.
I think, you know, pretty, pretty well. And we are, I mean, the blockchain is getting stronger and stronger with time. And yeah, I think hopefully we will never have to have this kind of a system on the ecosystem, you know.
very interesting. I think this is a very cool piece of tech. I hope people start to utilize it. I look forward to the point where we hit that threshold where now it's much more appealing for scientists to come and submit proposals then say necessarily the miners to come in. Miners will always be a forward. And I guess in theory, there
There is no actual threshold there, but I'm looking forward to the time when people start to leverage this. So in terms of, and we talked about this a little bit previously, and you gave us your perspective, but if I'm going to ask you pointedly, what is your definition of success for Etica?
Yeah, I would say you know the day when a researcher or a community of researchers when they can benefit from open source research from others researchers and when when they find something you know they basically just have to connect to
the blockchain, submit their proposals, and within couple weeks, being rewarded by the blockchain, I think this is the main goal to completely change the flow of research. And to completely also accelerate the path of research that
have right now. I think you know that if we open research, because let's take the example for instance of AI, you know, some experts you know a few years ago they have a lot of predictions how much time it would take for AI to evolve towards let's say edgi and you know
And what happened is that in the last couple months, we have seen the space evolving so, so fast. And this has, this has absolutely shocked the world. And the reason why I believe is because the way the AI industry has organized itself, you know,
We see that people are constantly sharing papers, open source papers. And I think this is what is driving the research in the background. And this is the main reason why this field is evolving so fast. Because if it was a closed system like we have in the medical industry,
And if it was driven mainly by intakes for poverty where you have private companies working on that all on thing and without sharing anything, I think like the the path of research when it comes to AI would be 10 if not 100 terms slower, you know. So the idea is to create an instant
system that will enable people to have the same kind of momentum when it comes to medical research. Because right now, medical research, you know, they are not enough people working on this in an open source way. For instance, back in 2018 also, I discovered the
project that was called Open Source Malaria. It was one of the first open source project for medical research that tries to create a treatment for malaria but make it open source. And when I was in the project and all of these, there was
Let's say like it doesn't switch us you know and they were not very active Why because they did not have any incentive to take part in such a research process but with edge kind of the future we can have a system where any decentralized organization any GAO any organization
with independent researcher can basically plug into the system, submit their proposals and get them financially rewarded within a couple of weeks. And when people will start to share their research and what they found, I think this is what will completely accelerate the path of research.
So yeah, I mean, the main goal, I hope, you know, in my absolutely dream is that HCA will find a cure for something as big as cancer in one day.
That is a lofty dream, but I don't see why not. At least in terms of being a part of the tech stack that helped fuel the discovery of that cure, I don't see why that wouldn't be the case. I envision a world, especially the centralized science world,
where a lot of these entities or dows or communities leverage modularly all this tech that is coming out and peace them together people for you say there's bulltrond bulltrond them connect them together to
to yield the kind of outcome, the kind of innovation that we're all trying to both in to see. And so with that, that kind of last piece, as we reach the top of the hour, how can the wider community help support Etica?
Well, I mean, right now, EdgeKeyes, you know, is at the very beginning stage. And what I think, you know, what we need for the world, decide ecosystem for the world, blockchain ecosystem, you know, is something I didn't mention, you know.
that any like J.O. or any organization can use Edgar for its own interest for its own benefit, you know. Because right now I believe that the way DSI is organizing itself, like I think the question of intelligence
for probably is central because if we keep integral property and we do not make research open source, I don't believe the impact of a design will be as big as it should be, you know. I think the main point is to open research and when it comes to open research,
then the main question is how to finance it. And this is what the Edgar system is built for in noise. It can basically finance the world design ecosystem. So I think there will be some G A O's that will dive into what
we are doing, they will identify the opportunity and they will start to use it. This is what we hope and what will happen. Some DAOs will understand the potential that EDCA can have for them and then for the Wall
system and to start publishing into this blockchain and then having more and more research shared in the HCA blockchain. So yeah, if there is any like GAO, any independent researcher that wants to publish on HCA, just know
that the blockchain is completely open. There is a discord, there is a telegram, I mean the community is very active and the community will be very glad to be able to reward that research and to initiate this kind of momentum.
So as Kevin said, check out Edeka, follow them on Twitter, join their Discord, join their Telegram, join the community support, whether you're a builder or a dialogue community. This is a blockchain. This is not a protocol. This is a blockchain, which means that it is a modular tech
knowledge that you can leverage for your means, whether it be funding or other sources or other initiatives. So it's much more wide reaching and flexible than we're seeing other, in other more standalone, concentrated these five projects. So please do check them out, heaven for yourself.
We'd love to be able to showcase more of Edica. So as I mentioned at the beginning of this part of this Twitter space is we've recently announced the beginning of what we are calling the DSI, the world of DSI conference series, the first one is taking place in Belgrade and the initiative
behind that is to showcase some of the tech or as much of the tech as possible that exists in decentralized science that can help push forward this concept of open accessible transparent reproducible science. So Kevin, you are more than welcome to sign up as a speaker or submit any information whether it be a poll
a demo of Edeclas so we can start sharing this with the wider scientific community, those that are not already within the Web3D size space, and show them that there's a lot of cool tech out here that they can use, and to bring them on board. So you're more than welcome to be a part of this if you're interested.
Thank you very much. I will definitely look into this invitation. It will be a great pleasure. Awesome. Perfect. I will help you out. Send over any documentation that we have on hand for that. Without further ado, this has been a great conversation. Kevin, thank you very much for coming on and talking to us about
Well, Edeka, I think it's a fantastic dream. It's one that addresses a sorely underrated perspective in design terms of having fun basic research, not clinical stage research, not therapy, but actual basic research, whether it be proactively or retroactively. And so thank you very much for that. Are there any closing statements you want to make before
we had up? No, I mean, thank you very much for this welcoming and I think if someone has any question, I would be glad not to answer that, yeah, I really appreciate it, this exchange with you. And yeah, I'm looking forward to the future of
decide and to see how this will evolve because I believe that right now this is still, you know, end of, I mean, I don't think the ecosystem, you know, is recognized as much as it soon is right now. So I'm looking forward to the future of seeing how it evolved.
We have so much room to go. I completely agree with you. I'm excited to see what the next two, three, four, five, 10, 16 years arbitrary numbers. Geoves in terms of how these sides are going to explode. I think it is really going to be a Cambrian explosion similar to the open source software movement.
So, with that being said guys, thank you for tuning in for those who are here actively live and those who will be listening into the recording on YouTube and the other platforms with which you post them on. Thanks for tuning in.
reach out to Kevin, reach out to Edica, join them, support them, support all of these side projects. Make sure you go and vote for or go and donate to the getcoin desi around that is currently taking place. A lot of amazing projects that are up there looking to push forward this whole notion of open
next Ethelable Science. And so with that, thanks for tuning in. We'll see you guys next week for our next episode of BSI Rising. Have a great weekend, Kevin. You have a great weekend. And yeah, we'll be in touch. See you later, guys. Thank you. Bye. Bye.