we're doing good man. You sound good there you go. Even if the rain coming you're good. Yes, it's late night
Well early morning here, and it's it's raining under. I don't know my
Just when when I needed to operate normally it's like it's messing up, but hey, I'm here
So you sound great, so I think we should be
Good to go is there anything in particular you'd like me to throw up on the jumbotron here at the top so that people can see
No just I mean besides our website nothing else. I don't have anything else per se
Cool cool cool cool and that investor. I seem that do we want me to bring him up as a speaker
Yes, that would be yeah. He's a good. Yes
Cool sentiment invites and just for everybody else in the crowd
We do want this to be a pluralistic in experience, so if you want to come up as a speaker
Ask questions as you move through the conversation. You're more than welcome to do so
This is an open conversation. We're all here to get to learn more about noble blocks, and what is being built there
So that said there's actually a decent crowd and people will start to fill in as we go on might give it like
A minute or two since our official start time is at 12
Just to let more people come in feel free to send out more send out tweets to individuals who you think should be here
I'm gonna send out a few tweets myself
I know you have a huge huge community, so
Yeah, let's see many are on different time zone, but let me try and send out this
Yeah, let me send it out now
Cool sounds good so we can get this kicked off so as always hello everybody
My name is Jelani and welcome to the 51st episode of the desy rising series put on by desy world
Where our goal here is always to provide an opportunity for many of the wonderful projects on our growing desy world dashboard
So just kind of formally introduce themselves
Update their progress highlight their achievements and just generally engage with both the desy world, but also the wider desy community
Now the idea behind all of this is that at these side world
We very much believe that more than the tech more than the funding
It is the community leveraging these tools that are really going to usher in a lot of the changes that we're all looking
Decide to bring to the various legacy stem industries that we're a part of
We have a great guest. I have the pleasure of speaking with Delroy Fraser
Who is the founder of noble blocks which is essentially a community-led or platform that incentivizes open publishing reviewing?
criticizing collaboration in science
Now one little interesting here being here is that they're actually built on the ICP blockchain
Which is something that we don't often see in desy. I think there's one other desy project sign that that is doing that
Now I'd love to get it kind into that the intricacies of why you chose
ICP but we'll get into that as we move forward with the conversation
So without further ado welcome Delroy and thank you for taking the time today to help us learn about yourself as much as learning
About what you're building at noble blocks
Yes, so as you were saying
We're building this a decentralized platform for scientists well, I guess the academic publishing
multidisciplinary not just for
It's kind of a social networking as well because you know scientists want to also
Distribute their their content to the wider audience
In a way that they can understand it and so on so for that
We also integrate a social networking aspect to the platform
That side is pretty much live, but the peer review side
It's also live, but it's not open to the general public right now, and if you go to our website
You'll see we have something there
But we are gonna update the UI to make it much more appealing and easier to use so
Yeah, so that's what we're currently working on
So that's that's a great overview of the platform itself
Usually what I like to do this is allow people to get to know you kind of how you got into this space
but also what are some of the problems because
In our space you have a variety of people who are both scientific like formally trained scientists
Like myself, and I think you may be as well
And those who are not and don't understand what are some of the problems that I hear before we get to that though
We have that investor who is up to speak as well. I don't know if you want to introduce yourself
I'd love to hear from you as well. Yeah. Thank you so much for hosting this. Thanks for having me up here
On every platform except for this platform actually where my handles this investor because they suspended my old account
Don't know why but that's not what we're here to talk about
I've been helping out noble blocks as best I can try and like
Help everyone understand what is actually being built here and what the problems are that they are solving
so I think I could actually speak on some of the problems in the current industry and I think the best way that I can
Present this in a way that everyone can understand is by giving a real-world example to where things have kind of gone wrong in our current
Academic research and that is that back many decades ago, maybe not many decades ago, but back in I think it was the 70s
Coca-Cola actually lobbied
Harvard scientists to publish misleading and false information false
Research about the effects of sugar on the body
They said fat was bad sugar was good drink a coca-cola if you want to live a long healthy life
And they actually paid Harvard scientists
like full-year salaries just to be on a board to peer review each other's research and just push this false narrative so that
Coca-cola would get in everything and
In our current system because there's only five
Publishing sites where you can go to post your peer-reviewed research
And they got away with it because nobody could see what was happening behind the scenes and something like noble blocks
Can change that is changing that they're allowing for an open source
An open distribution system of peer-reviewed data and research
So I'm very excited to see what they're building here
I think another thing that sets it out you even mentioned to this decide world is that it's being built out on top of
The internet computer so the front-end hosting website is being built out on top of a decentralized
network, so it's not like
Some other platforms out there that if Amazon decides to shut down their servers for anything crypto related everything gets lost
This is being built out in a way that it cannot just be shut down like that. So very excited again
Thank you for hosting this. I appreciate you having me up here
Mean this is I mean it's fantastic points and as a scientist who has gone through the rigmarole of publishing papers
And I'm gonna be publishing a paper soon in and of itself
Yeah, there's a lot of things that can be greatly improved in the scientific publishing or just the information
Dissemination space of science some of it are archaic
Infrastructural issues so bureaucracy and just too much red tape that slow down the process
Others are to your particular point malicious acts that are being lobbied for for profit reasons
But really obscure and deviate from the essence of truth that should exist in the scientific realm and in the scientific record
And I think we've come to a head over the last
Five years or so with enough of that proof making its way into the general collective knowledge that I think there is a concerted push
Towards you know having a better system or removing some of these pain points that exist there though
I'd love to hear how you as the founder and as the ideator. How did you find make your way into this?
the development of this platform
So I met someone who is a scientist from the Caribbean and
Were supposed to hang out and they're saying that they have papers to
Review and I was saying they probably be paying you a lot of money to do this because you know
You're in holiday, and they said no
They they're not getting paid. I'm say wow that's interesting, and then they're saying that
Yeah, that's what scientists do they they do it for the community, but they take their time to do it
Because they're not being rewarded, so I'm like okay, so you know they're not being paid
and there's she was saying that this is a
You don't say pay because that's kind of not a good thing to say in the scientific world
You're paying them to do the review, so I
Was saying blockchain could
Fix this because you could reward people through tokens, so they're not really necessarily
Saying you're paying them, but they're being rewarded and then if they're being rewarded
Justly they will spend more time and review the papers quicker, so if there is some kind of
Finding it will get to the rest of the world quickly, and then it will serve
You know whatever purpose it is just like Covid the other day
Came out and everybody was trying to figure out what this thing was
and within a year they start developing all kind of a vaccine and
So yeah, that's how I started I
Mean that's a that's a fantastic point so for those of you who aren't aware in the scientific realm when you
When you publish you have your paper goes to review as it should right
But on the other hand of that oftentimes as an expert or somebody working in a particular field you'll receive emails from editors from journals
Review and peer review a particular article, but that is for free and so as a scientist. We're already
Strapped trying to find funding for our own internal projects in addition to taking on the reviewing of someone else project
That's a lot of burden that exists on a scientist shoulders where there is no remuneration
So there's no way to actually capitalize off of that. It's really for the cause and a lot of scientists do it
mindset in the academic scientific field
But there definitely is a need to remediate on some of the ways that this can be done better
How can we help provide scientists with more cushioning so that they can take the time to do the science that they want to do?
And also contribute to growing the community in and of itself and so noble locks among many other projects are also tackling that
That's fantastic. Why do you choose ICP?
Well, so ICP was the before when I just thought of this idea a couple years ago. We're thinking about EOS
because that was the blockchain we thought we could build in but then ICP came about and
ICP is just like running on the cloud
I mean, it's not as easy to build them there because you have to we're building using Rust and typescript
it's not a language many programmers know and are capable of you know, so maybe you can build with other languages, but
ICP was the only one internet computer was the only one that
Has everything we need to
Make our vision come to light, you know, it was it was the
Yeah, it has everything we need the tokenomics the the
100% on chain fast secure. It has everything. It's not like somebody building on Amazon and then they connect
If you re on wallet or salon a wallet and then they say yeah, they're on they're they're decentralized
They're really not decentralized their token
The tokenomics the token for those platforms that side is decentralized but in terms of the the entire
Platform it's not so yeah, that's one of the main reasons we join on an internet computer
If I could add something about the internet computer as well because I don't know that many people
Realize this but they actually have something known as a reverse gas model
So on aetherium where a lot of the decentralized science projects are being built out on and truthfully most
Cryptocurrency projects are being built out on aetherium right now
You might have to pay upwards of like $50 for gas in order to make transactions
Most the time it's not gonna be that high
But occasionally you will get caught in just a high-frequency area internet computer has reverse gas
So if you're needing to make any transactions or interact with any of these dApps built out on it you pay pennies
So it's good for user adoption where these people won't have to be paying really to use the applications
So that's it. That's actually those those are two very salient points and they're non-trivial, right?
So if we think about it on one hand to Delroy's point a lot of projects that are
Exists in the D size space are not inherently
Right, they have hooks or certain aspects of themselves that exist on chain
But most of them are not in a natively on it
It sounds like noble blocks by virtue of building on ICP provides that native aspect, which is inherent to itself
So that's really interesting. The second thing is to your point about the gas. It's gonna be hard to convince
or to drive adoption from the scientific realm where it is
Very expensive to publish in science for sure a couple thousand a couple of thousand dollars more than a couple thousand dollars
But even still if I have to pay up
500 to you know 50 to 500 dollars in gas depending on the time
That's just something that's gonna stymie adoption
And so if we can bring that barrier down even further like leveraging L2s and or ICP and other
More high-performance blockchain and that is definitely a plus in bringing scientists and science creators or publishers
Onto the talented into a project
Exactly exactly and whatever we can do to like reduce the barrier of entry for people because
Every single company every single crypto project needs to onboard people. I know you need a solid
Foundation like you need solid tech and to fulfill a purpose in the market
But once you've established that which people are pretty good at doing you need to figure out a way to reduce that friction
That UI the user experience even so I think it it's a good mixture
it's a really good mixture where your noble blocks is solving a problem in the industry and
Doing it in a way that I think we'll be able to onboard a ton of users
Absolutely, and if we think about it the publishing marketplace the publishing
Market is about 19 billion dollars for the publishing
Entire industry generates about 19 billion dollars a year. That's a huge huge market, right?
Well relatively huge market if an on-chain native protocol like I see like noble blocks can attract even just a small percentage of that
That's fantastic. That's super sustainability for something that we haven't seen at this realm before
So kudos to that. I think that's going to be a great opportunity
No, I'd love to kind of for you to walk us through the platform in and of itself
So you talked about social features and you talked about the peer-reviewed features
What does that actually look like for a user who wants to leverage noble box from both ends?
basically, if you're an author you would
submit your paper to have it peer-reviewed then we have editors who will be selected and
then they will accept or deny the
the work of the author and
Then if they're if it's accepted then they'll pass down to the reviewer
It's basically like a traditional process where it will go through a similar rigor
And then once all of that has been completed then it will be published and after it's been published
You will have also people who might be able to break it down into
Maybe scientific communicators who can break this down into language that general public can understand and this will be posted on the social
platform front ends where
the general public who might be interested could
See this and and it serves some kind of purpose to them
So that's basically it in a nutshell
Yeah, that's basically and actually not
Everything that has not been peer-reviewed will be will be discarded. We'll still publish those
But they won't be of course
Peer-reviewed but other people can go on there and they can set up a bounty and have other people
Comment on it or review them. But
So yeah, it's not gonna be so
Right now how they have the system set up. It's very
Not everything they're publishing but we will publish everything but not everything will go through the rigor
I get what you're saying. Yeah, I go you're saying so you'll have the so you basically are both a
Pre a pre a pre-published a pre peer-reviewed platform as well as those who do peer-reviewed
And I think that's important because to your point in the scientific realm how we how it happens now is if you don't get
Peer-reviewed you don't get published right with the exclusion of certain
types of journals like bio archives and all those kind of thing those preprint journals which allow you to look at
Non peer-reviewed paper papers. There's not many of those out there. So that's fantastic in terms of the peer-reviewed process
Can anybody purview or is there a whitelisting or a filtering or a credential?
Requirement for somebody to come in and tackle a particular paper
So we haven't gone through
fully how the system that side of it will work in terms of but because we have some scientists who are helping us to
To set that up, but it will be people who are coming in they will be expert within their field
Then it's similar to how it's how the system is working now in terms of review
but we will be more transparent and
We'll accept more more more
Opinions. So yeah, it's it will have a committee who select
Okay, I see nerd nugget has requested to come up on speak
You want to unmute yourself and either comment or introduce yourself during the conversation?
Maybe no nugget is away. Yeah, perhaps
Okay, that's fine. So okay, that's cool
You mentioned the incentivization layer. So for those who are peer viewing, there's an incentive that's
Yeah, I forgot to mention that
The most important part before I go. I see Ed is here
Informally, so maybe later on Ed it has interesting questions. He want to share later on perhaps
Desi-supported he's been I think a part of every single one of our spaces. So all 51 spaces that side Ed has been around
As long as I've been around
Every place I go and I feel like Ed is there. He's like it is always around
What are what are those things turning grades these they're just everywhere?
Yeah, so I can come up and he's they're working on so Ed for those who are interested in the regenerative agriculture space
And they're doing a lot of implementations that deal with
communication of information around
regenerative agriculture techniques and data
So they're interested in journals, but they're also interested in tech
So Ed whenever you're ready, if you ever want to please feel free to come up. We also have Katrina Greaves who is excited to join us on this mission
Yeah, so Katrina you want to unmute yourself and either introduce yourself or join the conversation or
Yeah, hi everyone. Thank you, Lani for
Allowing me to speak. I just wanted to say
Congratulations to Zellroy and for this project and just before
the other individual that was basically
Educating us on ICP and why
The benefits of utilizing that platform. So for example, like no one won't be able to shut it down
So they just decentralized aspect of it. So yeah, I think that this is a great project and I'll definitely be
Checking out your website that Jelani
Added to the to the top of the pin to the top of the Twitter spaces
and and before you go to it, just decide you is also here I've spoken to him before and
Close his hair everyone else. I guess everyone else
Can't can introduce that themself or if they have a project I guess the one also introduced their decent project is
Yeah, no, so this is this is dedicated to you, of course. All right
This I use Victor is also an old friend of mine who can also come up if they want to join the conversation
But you seem to have garnered a lot of support from those old heads in the space, which is really really good
Well to your point we were done. I
Think noble blocks is a fantastic platform
So it attracts the interest and talent from those who see the value in what it's trying to solve
Now to that point you're gonna mention the incentives for the peer-viewers and other stakeholders in the ecosystem
In the noble blocks ecosystem would love to learn more about that
So yeah, we have a native token called noble which this will use to incentivize
Editors and reviewers and
however, because of internet computer and the way it has
integrated with say Bitcoin and Ethereum and they have their own native token and they're integrating with
In the near future with other stable coin, so we'll be able to integrate any other
Tokens or coined in there and you know people will be rewarded through this
So the author they still have to pay to publish but it won't be anything
Anywhere near what they're you know what they would be paying
currently to the traditional
And we only gonna take a very small cut from this majority of this will go towards the editors and the reviewers
So we're just providing the platform and of course we have to take some kind of fee to maintain the platform
But it's not like how the system is now where they take everything and they don't give nothing to the reviewers
I don't know. Maybe they do some editors or something, but basically they take majority of the
Of the the profit and without giving much back to the community
So we are opposite to this. It's going back to the community. We're taking our small percentage of course and
But yeah, that's the that's how the token will work
Interesting and so in terms of so that's on the that's on the for lack of a better word the supply side, right?
So you're providing these papers, but in today's journals you also have to pay to read
Scientific articles. What does that framework look like with noble blood? Oh
We're gonna give the otter
We want to have everything open source, but we were gonna give the otter the opportunity to
Have it they can turn it into an NFT if they want IP NFT
Or they can choose whether or not they want people to pay to access it, but we're gonna encourage
Fully open access. We won't close it from our end like the other publishers do but we want
That control that was part of the idea. Maybe later on we'll have we get more feedback from scientists and
Because we're working closely with scientists to hear you know
Their opinions and then there are many scientists we haven't heard from they also have opinion
so we're listening closely to the community and
We're working with the community because I've spent an entire year working with an editor from Nature magazine
And they helped me to build out the entire process
So I didn't just build it out like that there. They actually helped to build it out
And so yeah, we're open for ideas, but that's the general idea to have it as an open access
That's fantastic, and it's good to hear that you're getting advisory
For advice from somebody who actually works in the field at something like nature
That's a good that's a that's a key level of insight that I think a lot of people don't get the opportunity to
Incorporate into their fields, so that's really interesting
To that actual point I'd be curious to see what has been your experience in talking to scientists about this
Have they been amenable to the idea as somebody who has been advocating for DSCI for about two years now?
I can understand this get this or I've experienced a skepticism that exists when introducing something that is really novel right scientists
Have never really had the opportunity to be owners or to have sovereign control over the assets that they generate especially
Papers that is unheard of so oftentimes. There's a little bit of a learning curve
There's an a mind shift a para a mental paradigm shift that has to occur for them to be like okay like this is
This is something that is possible now today now the technology has has kind of grown
What has been your experience with with scientists and the like?
Scientists are pretty old-school, and it's surprising because they they are there's they should be the one on the cutting edge
But I believe because I don't know if because most of them are not I wouldn't say most but a lot of them are not
So it's good to mix the business-minded person with
with scientists and so some people are most people are that have spoken well that I talked to their their
therefore open access and
You have people who are skeptical about open access and the centralized
But eventually if you present it to them in a way where they see the value
Then they will I believe they will come around
Because that's how technology work. You know if it was easy everybody would do it and everybody would have seen
How to get it done, but it's not like that so we're just building and once we have it ready
we we get help from the the people who
Then we will try and onboard those who still on the sideline
But eventually they will come around because you know before internet you have magazines and then
Those magazine everybody wanted to publish in them and now it's online
So now it's going decentralized. So let's see
That's let's see how we get those
Undecided on board. Yeah, I think I think a good analogy to this would be the blockbuster Netflix
Comparison right very good one. Yes, right. So, you know journals of the past had a certain
Monopoly or ownership or structure that was prevailing and predominant
But I think with the times and with the under the social collective consciousness shift
But also the technological shift we're moving into the ages of the Netflix the streaming and all that kind of stuff
And I don't think these these Giants are
Prepared to pivot in a way that is sufficient for them to catch that catch that momentum
And so that opens up a lot of opportunities for new developers new thinkers
Innovators to start to craft out what the future could actually look like and this is the perfect example of that
And it's a very easy one too and not to disparage other web3 niches like like if I look that's all fantastic
But it's not solving defy does not necessarily solve a need in the same way as what you're trying to do
There is a problem a defined problem that affects science
Across the board no matter what your jurisdiction is no matter where you live first world second tier third world country doesn't change anything
It is a it is a ubiquitous issue
And so if you can solve for that that is a fantastic shift and a fantastic opportunity that many of us have not seen before
So I think there's a lot of cool things. I think it
Defies a whole like the idea solves a really necessary problem. It's just that
We don't really have a clear playbook on how to actually do any of it versus
Decide I feel like the path is fairly obvious to everyone involved like we know what we have to do
It's already being done, and it's like just a matter of waiting. I think it
Both of them solve pretty good problems just decides like so much more obvious
Yeah, you have like the their targets right there, right?
Like the scientific to Delaware's point you would expect science as an industry not as a product not products
But as an industry itself to be as innovative as the products that it it ships
But it's not science is running on you know dirt roads
Whereas opposed to the software in their software system the software industries are like high-speed rails like it's extremely arctic
Stucks, but gives us a lot of opportunity so I completely agree with you the targets the low-hanging fruit is there
We just need really need to pick it and it sounds easy, but you know over time
It's it's not it's not an if it's an inevitability really at this point
So so that right to know the blocks
You know we talked about you talked about committees or I guess working groups deciding on who should peer of you who can't pair of you
Does that that seems to sound like no blocks will be have a Dow as infrastructure to it
Like what's the what's the what's the lack of a better word? What is the entity infrastructure?
structure for noble blocks
Yeah, so eventually we will have a Dow
and a steering committee I'm still working with the
my advisors from the publishing the traditional publishing sector and
So a Dow will be definitely implemented
Later later down once we finish building out what we have here
But for now we're we're just building out and then later on we will definitely have a Dow because we're gonna need people who are
Select other expert, but also the general you know everyone else can also take part into the in in that
So then it's fully decentralized. It's not just some guys behind it
You know in a room with whiskey deciding who and choose a predator, you know, it's still gonna have but we need those expert to
To give to just to start the book, you know, and then after that we'll have the general
public say ed or everyone else out there have a say in who
You know can can review what paper?
I'll be there that's for sure and so and does that mean that the noble the noble token that is being
Distributed as a reward will also potentially have governance
Features to where there may be a different token for that
No, well this one will also this will be
It will be this token. Yes
Okay, I believe on the finity. Sorry on the finity if we go with the finity if we launched at the Dow on the finity
They will give us a different token for that
Do you want to tell me what the finity is just for those who are not as familiar with the ice?
Sorry, the finity is the organization
registered in Switzerland that we got grants from we got two grants from them and they
Internet computer, which is the platform we're built in
so they they provide like a
There's a Dow called SNS Dow that
Once we have certain traction and so on we can apply to go to this
Dow to get this down for our platform as well. So
We haven't fully settle on which where we're gonna go as yet. But for now, those are the directions
Okay, so I think that gives us a really nice
Overview of what Nova blocks is what you're looking to build
we are still early, but I think there's a lot of potential here and you definitely seem to have the advisory the
marketing and the ideation
Lined up or in sync for that
I'll let Ed go Ed decided to come up and then I'll finish my point afterwards Ed you want to unmute yourself. Yeah, sure. Thanks
Yeah, I mean, we're in a little different situation in the regenerative ag community because we're pretty much working with nature
so if you're working in the medical world and you're creating some drugs some
You know something that's synthetic or something like that or you're editing something
Then that adds a lot of complications to the system
Like we can identify a researcher who's doing for example, dr. James white at Rutgers
He works on endophytes, which are all the organisms that enter
plants and the symbiotic relationships and
He's been working on a new discovery over the last few years
that we never really knew that back to you know that plants are able to take in the whole bacteria and
get a lot of nutrients off of them and actually create organic nitrogen in them and
You know, it's it's for regenerative ag. It's been breakthrough knowledge
but what we do is we connect with James and
Start working with them and
then we invite him out to
conferences and stuff to speak and we can give him a little support and
then our leading farmers can work with them directly then to take his research and put her into practice and
Then we can share feedback back and forth and give him ideas and he gives us ideas and
Then it gets that practical application
Because then farmers go Wow James his work is really working for us
And as James said, you know used to spend all his time in the lab and never really connected with anybody
He'd like that in some ways, but now he actually is able to get
You know the practical experience, you know learn from the people that are actually using it
And it's easy with us because I say we're working with nature. We're not so fortunately
They're not regulating us because there's not an awful lot to regulate but it works great because it works for us
He's able to get more funding then because he can show that I'm I'm out there bringing this to the practitioners
and they're finding it very successful and
Telling and supporting that we want more research, you know, it has research to continue
So he's able to get more funding. It's it and then we take those when he comes out and talks
You know, we just film it and and put it on YouTube or something or do podcasts with them and then share that information
There's not a lot of money in that but it keeps the system going and
I'm just trying to now build an online platform so that we can bring more
People together in the community because we're now getting interest from the medical community and the nutrition community
Because we're at the roots of health and the environmental community because we're solving
You know the the water problems and all these issues. So it's a different approach
It's a little hard to do in some disciplines like the medical community because of all the regulations
You just can't go out and hand people drugs and say tell me if it works, you know
Your peer-to-peer review is a little different too. So
Anyway, I just thought I'd share that I'll land it now
And you bring up always fantastic points and non-trivial ends again, so you talk about
Authors right? Like what is the application?
What's the implication of this towards authors beyond just their ability to actually publish the currency of science is meritocracy, right?
It's your reputation now the reputation system that exists currently is wildly skewed
And built on really shaky foundation
but when anybody can publish anything for example and
Demonstrate that they know what they're doing through that publication that opens up the realm of people being able to validate
Oh this person actually knows what they're talking about
Like I don't need to trust you just because you went to an Ivy League college or you went somewhere else that allows you to publish
I can go and look at your data and you can show me I can figure out exactly what you're doing and that's really really important
Towards the future in terms of real what real science is and what real truth is. So that's a non-trivial point
the other thing that actually you also bring up is with regards to regulation, so
Delroy to yourself and I wanted to bring this up because there are other platforms that are trying attempting to do things similarly
international secrecy laws and what do you think the application of those on
Noble blocks could be and I'm gonna give a specific example, right?
I'm a scientist based in I'm it. I'm a scientist based in United States who is publishing on some kind of
Scientist a in a non friendly country is also not able to get access to that because it's on a decentralized network
There is going to be legal ramifications for that. How do you foresee that playing out?
Well, we're gonna have to let the legal team the lawyers give advice on that I haven't figured that part out but
You have we're trying to be decentralized. We're trying to not play with politics
Let's say somebody in Russia or China or some country or Iran some countries that other countries, you know
They're not so friendly with
They found the cure for a disease that's plaguing the West
But just because of politics this won't this information won't get out there to the public
And you know, even even if they are mass producing it and curing cancer in their country
At least the public would could see this and put pressure on their own
government to approve it but
Yeah, we're trying to be open to everyone
But again, this is gonna come down to the legal team, which I'm not
Lawyer, but we'll have people who can advise us and how to proceed with with all of those
Because yeah, that's a great point actually. But yeah, we have to depend that we still have to
Work within a framework, I believe but we will get legal advice on those
Yeah, so I I threw that out there
knowing for well that there's no real clear answer to that is because I
Think when when we looked at other niches in the web free space that the crop up
It was always with the mindset of forget regulation
We're gonna build this and it'll work and everything and now you know
In in fact, you have to work within the legal standings that exist in the real world
So I want to highlight the fact that it seems like to your point
These are as a whole as an industry is actually taking a different approach from its predecessors and gone leaned into
This more regulatory friendly or regulatory cognizant
Aspect so it's great to see that I always find it important when people are doing due diligence on a platform
And any of the platforms that we showcase on these our world
Demonstrate that they have this this idea or at least this this notion that yet there are going to be laws that we have to
And we're playing within to the best of our ability what those laws permit us to do
pre advice for that always make sure that whatever you're investing in whatever you're looking to be a part of
Considers those those points something that is like fairly interesting and on point with that is that was something that got brought up
the other day when I was at the
Capital for Florida like trying to figure out how are we going to lot like how do you regulate any of this stuff?
Like it's a question that I the entire industry is is struggling with right now like for a Dow
Yeah, most most decide projects are a Dow or have plans on becoming a Dow down the line
Like if something goes terribly wrong god forbid nothing terribly wrong happens
But this is real life and we have to acknowledge that like shit happens sometimes like who do you who do you sue in?
Don't know. I don't know what would go wrong, but like who do you sue in a Dow?
There's nobody who's supposed to be in charge of it to represent everything
So like how are you supposed to create regulations for an industry like this where?
Things can move in a moment's notice to like we move a lot quicker than regulations do that's for damn
Sure, and so it's something I think each each project has to like
kind of think about and and figure out their own approach to because it's
There's not just one answer and it'll be interesting to see it unfold
Yeah, well, I would argue that we're a little work
besides is more susceptible to
Legal ramifications one from the side of if you're developing something biomedical then for sure
But also even on the publishing science communication side, right?
If you're thinking about it oftentimes these people whoever is partaking in this is doxxed to some extent if I'm a peer-reviewer
And I've shown my credentials of being the top
Cancer researcher in the field like they're gonna know who you are
Even if you decide to represent yourself with an NFT or an emoji, they'll figure out who you are
We need to be extremely cautious as it relates to those kind of things because we're not just a transaction protocol
I'm not just a deep eye protocol that facilitates transactions. I'm actually dealing with real-world things
And with real people, so those are you know, really good points and it's an interesting to see so that investor
Are you are you a lobbyist? Do you partake in?
legal frameworks in general
Lobbyists get paid for their efforts. So no, I am NOT a lot
Um, I did that was the first time I got to go to the capital and try and like put my feet on the ground to
Actually help move the industry forward
So I'm opening the door to it because truthfully the people in the United States at least trying to regulate everything have no idea
What they're doing and they need all the help that they can get
Okay, cool. Yeah, I agree
I think the those regulators that I've spoken of to in the scientific realm are a little bit more ironically
Someone more amenable to the idea because it's not so much of a drastic change. We're not trying to revolutionize
Fundamental processes. We're actually just trying to optimize for them
There's a lot more interest in optimization than the breaking down of certain things and then rebuilding them differently
So that's that's that's great. Don't worry
Let's see, what do we what can we expect on with the roadmap for Novoblog?
So where are you in your phases of development? And I'm sure you're still early phase
But it's great to hear that you've gotten a few grants from DFINITY
What can we expect from Novobox moving forward the next five ten years?
Five ten years I never have a roadmap that long but because things change so fast
Big things changes. I mean before we went on to internet computer. We're thinking about EOS and
Before that we're thinking about Amazon and then we have internet computer and you know things change so fast
So our roadmap is like a year
Less than a year or less than a year not so yeah
We're you know, just a few months not that long, but eventually I'm hoping
Ten years from now we will you know, at least if we're still the only one
Well, I know we won't be the only one, you know, we could set the stage for other people to come in and and
Come into similar in this space and help to advance it
So that's my general wish
But in terms of the short term, we're working on collaborative features
More easily collaborate with each other
Whichever country they are. I know now people probably are collaborating. I don't know how it works
But I think it's not as collaborative as it could be
Because it's such a competitive space
so we're working on our next step of the
work on our collaborative feature and finish
Working on the existing features that we're working on but we try to go
two three months in terms of
Roadmap and we still try not to put everything out there yet. Yeah, so I can tell you
We I love the competition to be honest. I know we're in the D size space
We're supposed to share everything but I love to compete. So we're not letting everything out there
We have a roadmap, but it's like we still have more
But so far that's what we have. Okay here why no, so listen I
Iron sharpens iron, right? So you can have
Compet like in the D size space. No, we're not all supposed to be here kumbayang together. I think we can be
Complementary we can be non combative but competition is what keeps innovation moving
And the space definitely needs that the space has that so it's all good and to your point about competitors
There are things like research hub that exists and has been around for a long time and has some level of notoriety
Because of Brian Armstrong, how do you what do you consider in terms of your positioning relative to these?
Arguably mature projects that already exists and are already trying to tackle the publishing infrastructure. I
Like the analogy used earlier about blockbuster and Netflix
So I yeah, you were talking about Netflix, right? Yeah
so I view my view our project similar to Netflix and what
Brian Armstrong they're doing as blockbuster, but I I respect that they're also in the field because his
He's very well known and for someone like that to be in the space. I mean he owns his coinbase
They can easily eat anyone up if they if they want. All right, so I'm happy they're in the space and
Indirectly not in a friendly way
It helps innovation as you said
But yeah, they've been there since 2019 I believe and we just built our platform this year
Well, we started to work on it this year
We're fully decentralized
They are not fully decentralized at least not yet. I guess maybe they're planning on doing that later. But for now, they're not
Yeah, we're we're just building and watching what they're doing and try to compete
Yeah, yeah one major standout between you and them is
They're not on chain. So they leverage a token they leverage the research token, but they're not actually on chain
So none of the none of the papers that come through and under the review process that come through none that metadata that exists
Is being captured on chain yet?
So there is there is definitely room for improvement if you want to consider that improvement
There are room for different modulate modulatory ways of tackling this. They are one way you're another way
And also there's opportunities for collaboration and coexistence synergistic coexistence as well
I was I was just gonna say if I can cut you off. Sorry
Yeah, it's if everyone abandoned the
Publication houses that we have right now and all jumped to one platform being research hub
I feel like we've kind of regressed when it comes to that decentralization aspect of it
So while I think it's better to be on something like research hub then
the traditional models right now because of that censorship resistance like it the I think the space is
Going to be more beneficial if we have multiple platforms that are coexisting together and like you said
Synergizing like maybe connecting API's to some capacity
I have no idea what it will look like right now
But I think it'd be bent more beneficial to have a few platforms for people to post on. Oh, I agree. I absolutely agree
And there's you know, Delra you and I will speak after this
But there is interesting opportunities with people committing things to IPFS and noble blocks
Also while people can publish directly on noble blocks, but no blocks itself
Becoming a curation layer or a surfacer of information or data that exists in that data lake
That is IPFS and other similar type of things. So there's opportunities there as well
I think we can we can explore those but definitely the horizon is large the ambitions are high
But also the motivation is very high to accomplish this thing. So that is
Yeah data like they're working on something quite interesting
So, yeah, they're definitely we could see yourself collaborating with them
Yeah, so you mean data like the platform
So I was speaking more of the concept of the IPFS data lake where there's just a repository of information that exists
But data lake in and of itself as a platform. Absolutely
I think there's definitely a lot of synergies that exists between that could exist between noble blocks and data lake itself
To what you said before right your five-year plan is to have individuals be a part of the ecosystem
Today right now if somebody is interested in coming on board and helping either shape out or participate in the development of noble blocks
Well, how can they get about that? How that how can the community help build out when no blocks is trying to do?
They can contact us and then we see where the strength lies and then we can work from there
and currently we were using we're you know, just programmers and
So that's what we're doing right now. Just building out that side the back end on the front end and then
after we start onboarding people like
Then we can see how other people might be able to contribute. But for now we are focused on
Back-end front-end and then we're gonna start on board in
That's part of the roadmap as well to onboard but we don't want to introduce our project to scientists until it's fully
functional and easy to use so that's the stage where we are and
Then later on we can see how other people can contribute to what we're doing. I'm sure many people have ideas
That they might introduce to us that we haven't thought of so then you know
We're open to to any ideas that might present themselves to us
And do you have a discord or a telegram chat or a slack?
And what's the best way to get involved with the noble blocks community if someone is serious?
The best way is via email info at noble blocks that come because right now our telegram
we need to probably open another telegram because it's a lot of crypto people joined and they're there just for the quick buck so
For the serious people who are about decentralized science
We're gonna create a decide community and telegram but because of the
Stage we are in our in our roadmap, which is we're trying to raise fund and then after that
onboard scientists while we're still building out so that's why right now is a lot of we don't have anything else beside our
They can reach us by it via email if they're serious
So I said that's a really interesting
Point and something that I've run into quite often in this space is that how do you deal with?
Balancing out the the speculators versus those who are actually trying to build and become true
Stakeholders and I think that's gonna be one of the bigger issues that we face in these size
Especially in the heart in the bull run and we're at the beginning of one
But in the heart of a bull run what happens when your community your core community just gets
Ampeded over by individuals that are just like when token when token
I'm gonna be honest. I think we need to go through a full cycle
I think the bear market weeds all those people out and the core community stays come next cycle, you know, yeah
The thing is we're not building this depending on crypto
So, you know what most projects out there they have to depend on crypto, but this if it works out well, then
We'll be onboarding scientists and authors who will contribute
That's the hope and then because everybody they somebody has to pay
I know it's you know, everybody want everything for free, but somebody has to pay and as I said, we we are not taking much of
The money from that and that's also not a good thing about infinity. It's quite
We're building it so we can be
Profitable but at the same time we're not trying to be like the current system
Sustainable but not predatory
Yes, I'm not really worried about these the noise from the crypto people right now because it's a very delicate
People who are scientists and serious about what they're doing and then these guys coming over here just trying to make a quick buck
But we understand that very well, but yeah, so we're not really worried too much about the noise
No, I don't think you should I think these there are opportunities that
Present themselves in both of those realms. So it's just look at what opportunities are there from the crypto speculative side
And see if you can funnel that not necessarily like monetarily
But those those opportunities into the fundamentals of the platform and I think that way everybody will win and everybody will be happy
So we're near the top of the hour the end of the space. We've got about four minutes left
I'd love to leave it to you Delroy as well as that investor to leave any closing remarks any last call to actions or
Statements you want to leave to the community be reminded that this is going to be on Spotify and YouTube
So it'll be reaching far and they'll be there for a while. So whatever last statements you want to put out, please feel free
Well, I'm just hoping that everyone will support us and not just us but the wider decide community and
Feel it's a very boring endeavor
You really have to love this to be doing it so yeah, just stay focused and strong and keep pushing I
Want to I want to say thank you to decide world. I appreciate you hosting all these spaces
51st space is definitely a feat. So round of applause for d5 world or decide world
Absolutely. Appreciate you. Um, it takes a lot of time, you know and time is your most valuable asset
So you gotta invest that shit wisely
And thank you decide well, how can I forgot to
Thank you. I didn't even notice that yeah, you're right. 51 is a lot. Yeah in this two years
Yeah, but you know, I appreciate it. So
Yeah, it's been a journey. It's been a fantastic opportunity to meet so many great builders in the space
Before we close out. I'd actually like to put out a call to action myself. So for those of you who?
Will be in North America at the end of February who will be attending East Denver
we are hosting a decide summit where they will be
Most if not all of the decide projects will be some in there in some way shape or form whether in person or virtually
Or hosting all these kind of things
So if you're interested in learning more about the side you want to participate you want to join the conversation
You want to meet who these builders are minus network? He's not gonna make himself available for us. Unfortunately, I'm too big
But please take the time to go to the decide summit
Twitter handle I put it up here in the jumbotron you can sign up to be a speaker
You can sign up to be an attendee if you want to be a sponsor. There's often their sponsor opportunities
We have I think six side events
Four or five after parties. We have one gigantic decide hacker house, which is focused on the interoperability
So how can we make these different decide projects and decide to decide tooling work with one another weave them together to make them?
even more compounding interest
And the like so it's gonna be a great fantastic time. I hope to see many of you there in person if we can
And that'll be it. So thank you all
For participating. Thank you for coming to another great episode
I will see you next week with our next episode. I hope you all have a fantastic weekend
Thanks. Thanks. Thanks to everyone. Take it easy guys. Bye. Bye