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DeSciRising X Ginger Science | 10
Recorded: June 25, 2025 Duration: 0:38:58Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic conversation, Nina discusses the launch of the MC1R token, the importance of community building, and strategic partnerships with platforms like TikTok, all while highlighting emerging trends in public interest capitalism within the crypto space.
Full Transcription
Hey Nina, sorry, I don't know what happened i the spank just crashed
you were speaking about how i don't know i kind of cut out very briefly i couldn't hear
for a while all right well i was yeah so I'm working with this guy, Akshay. He's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. He's amazing. He's a senior, um,
in India and he was able to take these complex ideas that I've been working on
for 10 years that I've had the hardest time using my words to describe to
people and make them sing and code.
There's some alpha stuff on my website right now on the ginger science.org
website.
But, you know, we'll be pushing a beta here in the next week.
So the two things I wanted to say about Akshay is, number one, he is looking for an internship in the United States. And I think that if you have a data science project, he can make it happen, make it happen a lot faster. Number two, if he represents the quality of content that is coming out of data science schools right now, the bar for professional competence is so much higher than we old folks realize.
And we're going to accelerate so much faster than people realize that 18-month
tech cycle is gone. That is amazing. Actually, I know a few people who are actually looking for
people to help support them, but also for paid internships. So I'd love to, let's connect
afterwards and I could see who we can bring to the table for this. But that's amazing. And it's
great to see that you've had a very strong team
kind of pushing this forward. Right. Actually, if you want to chat with them, if y'all wouldn't
mind popping into my Discord or our Discord, because we are participating or we're exploring
curation with BioProtocol. And one of their metrics is, are we putting people in our Discord? So if y'all can
come in and chat with us, that'd be great. Interesting. So I'd love to understand that
more. So curation from what sense? Well, I don't really pretend to know too much about it,
because I'm still exploring it. I think it is basically the process by which bioprotocol,
it takes people to launch. uh i really can't i
don't really know much more about it other than i'm working my way through it um right now okay
that's fine and it's usually a traction metric to see if you have enough buy-in from bodies who want
to participate or are interested in that particular vertical that you're that you're expanding on and
that actually leads me to a slightly different question um because it is related to the end point right so you're going
to be building out this this on one hand infrastructure that will lead to ideally data
that could or could not be valuable depending on on its application for mcr1 i mc1r i could see
people being really interested in it particularly
around you know consumable development and therapeutic development um but i'm sure there
are a number of other indications that you're going to find in the biomedical space the data
is truly only as valuable as the people who are going to pay for it and so how do you envision that
in your ecosystem from an anti-ion pipeline is Is there a demand for redhead, red velvet type research out there?
We know that the world is moving towards more or purportedly moving towards more diverse
data sets and looking to cobble it together.
But the bottom line truly is still what kind of pushes that forward.
Well, that is my, my hypothesis is that there is actually a customer
for data science data or ginger science data. And that, and so the, you know, the MVP for that
hypothesis is an SPF study, a global SPF study. Yeah. So the FDA has not approved a new sunscreen in the United States since 1999.
And at the same time, to the extent medical science has studied us, the one thing that
they have established is that we have a higher, or two things they have established. We have a
higher risk of skin cancer and the sunscreens they sell in the United States
are linked to both endocrine disruption and other kinds of cancer. So that's not fair.
But at the same time, there are great compounds that filters that have been developed in Europe and Korea by companies like L'Oreal and BASF.
Or BASF is a chemical company, but L'Oreal is Cosme. So you get it. The supply chain of
chemical manufacturers and cosmeceutical manufacturers, this will add to their
development without costing them a lot more money to focus on
redheads, number one, but also help them in their quest because they're, I mean, this is a problem
in the US cosmeceutical industry to actually be able to sell better sunscreens to people like me
in the United States. We got to go out on the gray market and
hope we don't get counterfeit. But the thing is, it's so much better. It doesn't smell. It doesn't
sting my eyes. So before I went to law school, I sold makeup in department stores back in the day
when girls did that. And so these are,
you know, this is going to be the kind of thing that it's going to get normies.
You know, we don't need them to use wallets. We need them to see that their input is valuable
and will ultimately be paid back. And if there's ever a group of people who's going to be like,
heck yeah, it's going to be my redhead people that's amazing do you know what the like what are the statistics
on redheads on redhead demographics right because we're i mean it's an untapped demographic but
it's not enough it's not a small number right there are redheads across the world and many
and a number of different ethnicities as well that manifest and it may not be the same genetic
component but but if we're just talking about that then that also exists what what number how and a number of different ethnicities as well that manifest. And it may not be the same genetic component,
but if we're just talking about that, then that also exists.
What number?
How many redheads exist around the world?
We're 1% to 2%. So I'm thinking this answer here is mostly MC1R.
We're 1% to 2% of the global population.
MC1R is very low in Asia and Africa, highest percentages in Scotland,
higher percentage in Ireland, that kind of thing. But in the United States, we probably have 7 to
20 million redheads. See, that's a us together we're impactful right yeah that is a
very big number right and so i could see i could that's that's amazing that's what i i had cut out
yeah it's crazy i i i had cut out really briefly when you were explaining everything up to to
actually but what in terms of support not support but the gaps that remain to be filled in what you're trying to build,
can you, I'm sure you've identified them. Can you speak on some of those?
Yes. So, you know,
there's a lot of design that's like, you know,
proof of concept out, you know,
R and D is done on kinds of SPVs that we need to build to iterate community
rewards, mostly community rewards and data stewardship.
Right.
And SPVs, maybe do it in ways that maybe don't put so much burden on people with
rare diseases to participate in governance of a crypto platform. Yes. That's not fair, man. We
don't like we have. So that's the and not just being a redhead. So having a
rare disorder and being a rare disease parent is a job in itself. They make us work 10 times harder
and we get so much less back because insurance doesn't cover a lot of what we do and there isn't a treatment for a lot
of those things. So giving, telling us we have one more job was to help, you know, participate
in a community of people we don't really understand because like I understand DGEMs,
I'm a Web3 person, but you know, if I go like, you I go knock on the door of a redhead somewhere else, they may not.
So that's kind of a challenge to make sure we can fill those gaps.
I think that's important, right?
User experience.
I mean, a lot of the things, a lot of the innovations coming out today are around the realm of user experience, right?
Even in the realm of clinical trials with patients, you need to ease the burden of people who are ideally, you're hoping to participate.
And Web3 kind of doesn't do that.
It actually seems, in its immature state currently, it just adds more hoops that people need to jump through.
And these terminologies and connotations and contexts that are somewhat foreign.
And so I think to your point, that's kind of our biggest, our biggest call to action in the space is cool, build your cool ass tech, but make it so
that it's fit for purpose for the people who you're hoping to kind of bring in.
And that's what I think the biggest challenge for Desai is, um,
amongst other things in web three is, is building those kinds of things.
And so, you know, it's great that you kind of had that at forefront
and it looks really interesting.
I saw your, I put it in the jumbotron here
for what you're building for your Discord
and like this knowledge graph layer.
And it looks interactive, it looks intuitive.
And we need just more things like that.
Yeah.
One of the other things we're doing to make sure
that we can kind of bridge the gap between
the Web3 token first play and, and then what I call just
normal people. Cause y'all know we're not, we're not really like everyone else.
It is I've been writing a book. Now this book is like coming out of me really easily. Cause I've
been living this book my whole life, but I'm calling it The Ginger Code. And it's basically five lenses
through which redheads are seen. The first is a lens of history, myth, art, and culture. That's
the fun part because, you know, we're witches, we're vampires, we're Druids, we're Celts, we're, you know, we're a lot of things. So
that's a lot of fun. Then the second lens is the lens of ethnography. And I want to make sure I go
at, well, I'll just hit it here. Ethnography, where does red hair come from? Where are the
genetic mutations? Where do we see it come over history? Where's the evidence?
How do we build that evidence graph?
Back to your point, are all redheads MC1 our variants?
As a matter of fact, some of the more,
the rarest redheads are black redheads.
And like, for example, we know rufous albinos.
I was in an X space the other day with Nigerian builders
and I shared with them my favorite Barbie is a rufous albino.
So we know that like the powers that be are aware of redheads and very,
very rare redheads even, but we're just objects.
They like to come up to our hair,
pet our hair and ask us if the curtains match the drapes.
We have no, we've got no, we've got no boundaries.
We don't get those.
Right.
Yeah.
But, but, so that was one of the jobs, the first things I did. Okay. So the first thing I did was
start to ask my agent questions about being redheaded. Then I started to add in data about
rarer redheads like rufus albinos,
so then that maybe we can build a more nuanced data set
because there's a lot around being redheaded
and it isn't just genetic.
And we're seeing some of this othering
that we're learning about has a lot of health
and mental health sequelae.
Absolutely, Yeah. Okay. So,
so that's a second lens, ethnography. Third lens is what's it like to be a redhead in daily life?
Like I said, people come up to you and say, I love your hair. Is your daddy the mailman? I mean,
you know, that kind of thing. And then you go to the doctor and, you know, what are all these things like? Fourth lens is medical science. What is the state of knowledge about red now have technology that can help us harness ourselves as a community.
So we're gonna push that out this summer,
thinking that that will be something that redheads,
parents of redheads and friends of redheads
will read and buy each other for Christmas.
Yeah, so yeah, i got so much going on i'm sort of losing my train of thought here no it's fine and if it's fine i truly love it because i think what you're building is really the template for
any community group obviously those that are more ostracized but really can be applied to
in your case rare diseases and the various
rare disease communities that exist out there, as well as anything else. You're kind of writing
the playbook in a way that is, to your point, comprehensive across community development,
anecdotal inferences, actual impairment context, and then the actual tool set,
the infrastructural tool set that can then be leveraged. I see this as almost like a Desai playbook of sorts or what it could potentially be.
I think that's fantastic.
I'm so glad you saw that.
I feel validated.
No, yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
As somebody who's been in this space long enough and has seen the ebbs and flows and
has heard people's touting, I think one of the things that
we really need is we need a goal. We need, we need something to actually manifest itself
finally and truly. And part of that means that we require a protocol. And so there's no such
thing as a D-Sci protocol because a lot of the components are being built or have, you know,
yet to be built. And so I think I've truly think that what your book could effectively
be is one of those examples of, of that roadmap. Right. And I know with Ethan and what he's doing
with, and I'm just bringing, I'm bringing him up because we're, you know, a little bit closer to
that right now is we're having these playbooks of how do we actually bridge this into the real
world? And it is more than just, okay, we have the tools. It is, and to my intro, it's not just
about the tech. It's not about the funding. It's about the people who are going to be using it.
And so we need to have those things interwoven and tapestried together. And so I love to see
these initiatives that are, that are doing that, Nina. And you, you seem like the, like an amazing
person to kind of like spearhead this, at least in your vertical, and I'm sure people will start to adopt it. I think so too. And I think awareness is actually spreading, you know, and I can't take
credit for much of it, or I don't even know how much, how much of it I can take credit for, but
there, there's awareness of redheads, neurodivergence, and all these kinds of things
that we're doing in DSIci all bubbling up in a way
that it didn't exist before. The whole EDS folks, I mean, it's really exciting how all of these
excluded communities who, you know, we're all smart, right? We can all figure something out,
which is why I got really excited with the AI agent that you can see on
Ginger Science right now. At first I just focused on redhead stuff, but then I typed in a question
about red hair and my son's rare disorder. Now my son does not have red hair. And it found a correlation. Very interesting. And I, of course, started crying.
So I'll tell you, as a rare disease parent, there are so many times we're thinking so hard,
we're researching so hard. And then we're not taken seriously because there's no ROI and there's no way anyone's ever going to do that research.
So to the extent that this engine can generate a hypothesis, back up that hypothesis, and then mint an IP NFT so that it can be,
that hypothesis can be tested by the harshest critics in the world,
which are D3 people, Web3 people, DGENs, y'all, you know how we are. So, you know, if we let our
people, you know, measure these hypotheses and choose how they want to fund them,
the world changes. I'm really looking forward to that.
You know, I'd love to, I'd love to kind of explore.
I mean, we can, we'll do this off, off air, but I'd love to explore, um, how we can help
support that from the DCI world lens with the bonfires and kind of our multi-agentic,
uh, frameworks and seeing, and seeing, just exploring what opportunities to be there.
Cause I love it.
I think it's great.
And as somebody, I know that josh is gone i can say this
as somebody who who when i was young i was redheaded so i grew up redheaded and and for those who don't know my family's from the from the caribbean and and we refer to red hairs as
rosim people who are rosim um and so i was a rosim child now i grew out of it my hair color changed
as i grow but i have a my my seven-year-old when she was young,
she also had red tinting to her hair. And I still have it in certain places, um, on my beard. And
if I grow out my hair, so it's interesting. I'd love to see, you know, if, do I find, do I qualify
for the ginger science community or not? And maybe there's some genetic predisposition or something
that is, has not been fully explored to that extent yet of course you
qualify uh number one of course you qualify because all you have to do is just love us
yeah the the the second reason um i am sure you qualify is because mc1 r variation r is a recessive trait, which means like both of my parents who are brunettes have it.
So, yeah, you probably there's a good chance, you know, if MC1R variation is the reason that y'all are tinted red, you're probably carrying it.
probably carrying it.
It's super interesting because you did mention
that the highest prevalence would be in Scotland and Ireland,
and there was a huge influx of Scottish and Irish.
You hit my phone card.
Not immigrants, but indentured servants.
You just hit my happy storytelling part.
Right.
Can I do that?
Yeah, please.
All right.
Three or four different, no, let's just say two.
First thing is before, yeah, as a redhead, I was always
fascinated with Mama Brigitte the Loa. You know her? Yeah. Okay. So that's an aside. That's nothing.
Just like, that's cool. So she's been known down there for a very long time. So redheads have been
known down there for a very long time. The other thing is what you're saying about the redhead
diaspora down to say Barbados in the United States. That's one of my ancestors. So one of
my ancestors was this guy named Ninian Bill, who was like a, like a six foot four redhead Scotsman
and Oliver Cromwell captured him, put him into indentured servitude and sent him down to Barbados.
He worked off his indentured servitude, came over to the United States.
I don't know if any of y'all have ever been to Georgetown in the United States, but there's this rock there called Dumbarton's Rock.
That was his land first, but then he basically was part of this whole Scots-Irish diaspora that came into the United States.
And a lot of them came through the Caribbean, as you mentioned.
Yeah. So, I mean, so my family's from Barbados.
And so, you know, we're a mishmash amalgamation of obviously African descent-african descent but but european and specifically iris
and irish and scottish right um and so you know i have that all throughout my my genetic makeup and
so yeah there's definitely it's very interesting um because i mean likely likely right there's there's
there's a lot of that that goes around and and your point, right? Like there's no such thing as the pan African, sorry, the pan Caribbean reference genome.
There's no such real thing about the pan African reference genome, but I am working
with a group called carry genetics that is doing just that there are sequencing genetics
from African, but also just general demographics throughout the Caribbean to create this
Caribbean, um Caribbean reference,
you know, but it in and of itself is an admix, is an admix population. And so that may be something
else of relevance for at least tracking the historic representation and probably the dissemination
of potentially the MCR1 gene into different demographics.
That might be something cool to add to Ginger Science's roadmap of some sort.
I love that.
And we're trying to be as expansive about it as possible.
Because again, it's a recessive gene.
And only those of us who get a lot of it end up red haired.
But for example, my kid who has PKU,
he doesn't make enough phenylalanine hydroxylase
to eat protein like us.
However, my husband and I are both carriers.
What we know is that neither he or I express
as much phenylalanine hydroxylase as a normal person, but not to the point that we have
PKU. So, you know, I hypothesize that perhaps folks who have one MC1R variant might have some
of our traits. And one of the things that kind of makes me think that is,
you know, these are just anecdotal things. Like I have parents who are like, my mother is dark haired Indian, right? Or, you know, we have like some Indian, American Indian blood.
But she got, she developed actinic purpura on her arms. Those are those nasty little
purple bruises you get from sun exposure.
She developed it really early.
My dad has those too.
He developed them really early.
So is there, you know, is there a susceptibility to sun exposure that, you know, because they don't have two full pairs of the eomelanin production,
MC1R receptor, you know, is there, you know, some other sequelae we need to be looking at?
So that's super interesting. Yeah. I mean, so for some, again, for people who don't know,
I did my PhD on vitamin D in the
context of multiple sclerosis and neuroimmunology, but vitamin D nonetheless. And so I'm super curious
is this dynamic with environment, particularly around sunshine. I wonder if there's reflections
in vitamin D systemic, the vitamin D systemic infrastructure of your physiology, if there's
impacts with that as well. I'm super curious about all this, Nina. You've like sparked like this next level ginger,
like focus now that it's goes beyond just, just, you know, playing around with Josh a little bit.
Really, really cool stuff. I actually think you might, there might be something to that,
what you asked about the vitamin D and the UV thing. Yeah. I've been, I've been, now that I've
got this really smart agent, I love it. I've been asking it about a lot of
weird things about being redheaded. And basically, one of the things is, for us, a huge dose of sun
causes a cytokine storm and mitochondrial stress., where does vitamin D fit into that equation somewhere,
but I don't really know where, cause I'm just a lawyer and a software developer.
I will play around with that, with that bot. I have a few theories because vitamin D can largely
be anti-inflammatory. So it's something that'll help suppress those cytokine storms, but in certain
environments, it can be exacerbative
to inflammatory responses. So there may be some interplay that's happening here, there. And then
it's also kind of begs the question of what are some of the downstream effects? Like I don't know,
I'm not aware of any, for example, autoimmune diseases that are more prevalent in gingers
versus not, but I'm sure that there may be some correlation with certain things like that. And that may shed more light. And it's not to geek out. This is desirizing. It is focused on
science, but like the projects themselves, but this is super informative. Nina, this is fantastic.
Oh, thank you. And, and actually, you know, as you just said to autoimmune disorders,
I want to pull on that thread too, um, you know, I have, you know, there's
some other dows around EDS, Ehlers-Danlos syndrome. I'm hypermobile. I am over 50 and I can drop in
the splits on command, right? And, you know, I've also got a number of the other kind of,
I mean, as you can tell, I'm neurodivergent, right? Normal people
don't do the things I do. So, so, so there's, and so there's a correlation between hypermobility
and neurodivergence. There is, I'm pretty sure there's a correlation between having red hair and being divergent,
neurodivergent, but I haven't pushed the knowledge of the graft. So is there a correlation between
red hair and autoimmune disorders like EDS? I don't know, but we'll find out. And the weird
thing is I have never had a doctor in my life call me out of the blue to say, hey, time,
why don't you come in for a follow-up?
And they scheduled me and they called me today. And I think it might have something to do with
all this awareness to schedule me for, you know, just follow-up appointment and intercontinent
appointment because they're assessing me for ADHD and and all that stuff i finally started doing that as an old lady
that is that is very hopefully it'll be insightful hopefully it'll be positively insightful and then that can be information that helps more inform uh the ginger science
bot but also the community at large um it's you know i started this off saying that i you know
i want to make sure that we have enough time and there's clearly not enough time to talk about all of the cool stuff that that you guys are
doing and they're working on so i mean i will definitely have you back on for a second episode
at some point soon um with regards to the more web3 facing so you're talking about integrating
different toolings you did mention potentially a token or at least when I was looking at your documentation, there's a reference to that. What kind of structure, DAO, not DAO,
you mentioned IPNFTs, which makes me assume that there will be a token at some point affiliated to
the community. Can you speak a little bit on that? Will there be some sort of asset that communities
will quote unquote, whether economically or not buy into
to maintain their ownership as a collective?
God, yes.
I have been building utility tokens for like 10 years
and I just want to do this so bad.
So yeah, there'll be an ERC-20 utility token
that's MC1R.
Oh, nice.
Okay.
Yeah, that prototype is live on base.
I've got some distribution apps built out that are really more focused on the Web3 community.
And then, you know, that token will be used mostly for rewards for the community, but also to validate the business processes around the data and the marketplace so that that data can actually be reused and consumed by the by the by the end customers. And I think really those end customers are AI agents of CROs, pharma, all that kind of
stuff.
So we're building for that customer.
I'm super excited to see that.
And I kind of like selfishly want to be a part of it.
So I'll definitely be pinging you on the other side of this to see how, whether it be from the
Immunotrain side or from the D-Sci World side, definitely from both, how we could help support
that and kind of add more weaving to that matrix.
Oh, that sounds great.
That'll be so exciting.
There's some really cool initiatives that I'm kicking around with Sarah, who's in this call.
I think we might find them fun.
Amazing.
So in the last little bit, I mean, you've talked about so many things.
There's been a number of subtle call to actions here.
But to kind of wrap it all together, well, actually, before that, what's in the roadmap?
So I put the roadmap up here in the Jumbotron.
But what's next?
What's the next immediate step for for you
or for ginger science uh well we're building community that's the most important thing um
you know i can build legal tech with my eyes closed so i'm not going to stress out too much
about that um it's on the roadmap for this um you know that's what i'll do when we're not building
community i know who we need to connect with on that. So we're building out community
and finishing out the legal tech operations.
You know, I think you've seen the draft white paper.
I've built out MECA, the European token scheme.
I know how to build a MECA compliance engine.
I've built them before.
So it's going
to be trivial almost to make this a token that we can list on European exchanges. And I've been
making sure it was US compliant from the beginning because I'm an American lawyer licensed in three Right. So interesting. And so Bill,
I lost you.
Are you going to be doing conferences? Are you going to be hosting?
I know you said you you've been relying on hackathons to build the development side, but what's the actual community advocacy going to look like?
Well, we've got a number of opportunities.
Some are, you know, a little more serious around the disease end,
but, you know, there are some events coming up in Europe and the United States. There's been a
longstanding redhead convention in Europe, but for years that we're going to go participate in.
But in addition to that,
there's been a lot of this like community activism in the United States in
the, you know,
the redhead and black community that it's been developing on TikTok.
And so I think we're going to be able to do some doing good while doing
well kind of campaigns that utilize the MC1R campaign.
Because this isn't exactly germane to gender science,
but it is germane to me as a person.
That whole thing where the black TikTok community just decided to tell us they loved us,
I mean, that was crazy.
But at the same time, you know, you know, what can what can I do to be an ally?
You know, it's not it's not all just transactional, but I feel like, you know, they've done a lot for the redheads of the world.
We didn't have a community before them. I can now, I literally went on, went to Asheville,
North Carolina last week, and I had a redheaded waiter and I'm like, hey, Max, have you heard
about this Ginger is our black thing? And has it been your experience of persistent othering and
black people who are always more accepting, just like they're being on TikTok right now?
And he was like, yeah. So, I mean,
we didn't have a community before TikTok. So how do we like use, you know, what I know how to do
to kind of harness and payback and that kind of stuff? We'll figure that out. We've got some good
ideas. I like that. I like that. Definitely would like to come in and help support that as well in any way personally but also from from either company's side um
that's fantastic and so okay so last five minutes again we've made a lot of call to arms but for
people who would or be interested in coming to support how best do you would you position them
or would you inform them to actually get to doing that? How can they best support you, Nina?
Come to our Discord right now.
Yeah, coming to the Discord, asking hard questions, because this is really complicated.
So it's probably better to the extent that there are hard questions that we can answer those in a way that the community can just take them up and share them.
Okay, so we'll share them. Okay.
So we'll definitely put that out.
So all of you listening and all of you who be listening later and everybody
who's going to be seeing the little snippets,
go to the ginger science discord.
I assume that they can get to that through the handle.
They can get to it through the handle and the X profile.
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah.
So go through the X profile,
follow Nina,
follow ginger science and just, yeah, go participate. Whether you be a ginger or not, this is, I think, a crucial, critical, catalytic, catalytic time for the DSI space in terms of bringing all of these on-chain digital ideas into the real world.
ideas into the real world, actually having community built around a solution or a potential
solution and advocating for it because it aligns with them. And you put it really perfectly,
do good by being well, do good, wait, being well, wait, doing, being good by doing well.
Right. And a lot of these tenants of public interest capitalism, right? Because that's,
that's what I think that the biggest crux here is we can start to build these paradigms
around public interest capitalism where people can be good, can get their ROI, but it in
lines with public interest, right?
And that's what I think is important here.
So I'll be looking forward to your book.
Can you let us know, like, when is that book going to come out?
It should come out next month.
Okay. And the reason it's going to be able to come out it should come out um next month um and the
reason it's going to be able to come out next month is because i was able to find wonderful
tech talent to help me finish out the platform so i can actually finish the book and it and write it
with my own words instead of my buddy chad that's my nickname for chat gpt yeah yeah okay well big
up action and i need anybody else who
helped with the infrastructure to allow for that um yeah i'll be looking forward to to reading that
once it comes out so any final words you know any things left to to shout out before we we sign off
uh i would say just come visit us in discord. And then if you,
if you go to dev folio and vote it for us in the chromium hackathon,
because I think what we're going to do is really going to help web three people or not web decide people,
but I'm not sure the general chain link community is going to,
it's going to really get how important it is.
Okay. So that's dev folio.
Dev folio. Cause you know, they're like a hackathon service.
Yes.
Yeah.
All right, cool.
So everybody make sure you go to Devfolio.
Is there a deadline for that?
When does the issue?
It ends on Sunday.
Okay.
So I think what I'll do is I'll make sure
that when we push to beta
and we finish the uh repo i'll i'll make a tweet about it
perfect and we will amplify that to the sky and beyond well you know this has been this has been
great i knew this was going to be great but this has been great season two has been a real tour de
force in terms of of projects that are building like some really cool shit and
some really tangible and tractable shit. So I'm glad that you were part of the shits with us
and having a good time. And, you know, we love your energy. I love your energy since the time
that we've met and since I learned about you from David. So, I mean, keep doing the good work. And
I know we'll cross paths very soon. And I hope everybody else listening, take the time to put
yourself in the path to cross paths with Nina.
Thank you so much, Jelani.
Thanks for having me on.
And we'll keep doing it.
Yeah, we will touch.
We will definitely touch base, guys.
Thank you again, everybody who's listening,
everybody who will listen to this episode of DCI Rising.
We'll be back in two weeks with another episode
with hopefully another great guest.
We haven't signed that up just yet.
But if, you know, we'll talk to you guys soon so have a great week have a great weekend enjoy yourselves thanks
nina bye bye
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