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DeSciWorld is building Bonfires.AI
Recorded: June 10, 2025 Duration: 0:56:40Space Recording
Short Summary
The Bonfires project is gearing up for a major launch, with an ICO set to introduce a new token and platform aimed at enhancing decentralized knowledge sharing. The initiative emphasizes cosmolocalism, aiming to empower local communities through innovative digital infrastructure.
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I was hoping to blast this through my telegram channels but my telegram messed up so I know it's terrible hey everybody oh gosh some familiar faces in the audience hey guys hey kajoti hey scott hey jose
okay so carlos today we're going to do a little bit of a
download on bonfires and how it relates to dc world and why why we started building this we have a bit of a schedule right and so we try to stick stick to it as much as possible but also anyone
has any questions feel free to ask and obviously carlos feel free to interrupt me at any point and uh say what you want to say
yes this is gonna be fun yes i finally let me out of the cave it's been months
yeah not quite yeah about a month left and then we'll let you out the cave not quite. You have about a month left. And then we'll let you out of the cave. Not quite yet.
Okay, cool. Well, let's get started then, seeing as, yeah, it's four past.
All right, so I think the easiest place for us to start is give a little bit of a background for those who are joining from the DSiWorld side about DSiWorld and why we started Bonfires.
about DCI World and why we started Bonfires.
So those who don't know DCI World, we've been around for a while doing community
infrastructure for DCI space, lots of things around knowledge management, information aggregation,
that sort of thing. And a sort of natural progression for this was for us to build a
protocol around knowledge sharing in general. And that's sort of what we've been working on for the past, let's say, two years
is some kind of on-chain knowledge management systems. What Carlos and I have been working
towards is what we call the knowledge-backed economy. And this is what we believe to be like
a really important primitive for the DeSci space moving forward is find ways to have knowledge
on-chain, have it attributable to people, and allow you to essentially generate value
from the creation of your knowledge.
And that's the journey that DeciWold has been on for a while.
And then we sort of started working towards
building a product that is AI capable, right?
And that was actually where Carlos came in
with his AI mind.
Carlos, do you want to give a little bit of background
about why you were so interested
in an AI-powered knowledge management system to begin with?
Yeah, but I would say that we were trying to build an AI that's human capable, not the
other way around.
Right.
But yeah, I have...
So my background is in medicine.
I was in healthcare, so i've always liked like big systems like when you know
healthcare is not just your interaction with the doctor but like how it works in the system and
then supply chains and blockchains and everything that works in a chain pretty much trains for
example you get the vibe um but in that sense um i've always been interested in how we can use technology to coordinate as a group and make systems that work for us and try to diagnose why the current systems aren't working and using the tools that come up as building blocks on Legos to dream up of new things that we can do with them, right?
And for the longest time, I've been super interested in AI
and as it grew, I was interested in this concept
of science making and then I started asking questions
and then people told me you should talk to Josh.
And then one day I, back in the midst of LK99 drama,
I got a bit of a information overload moment. And I'm like, Josh, we need to do something about this.
And then he's like, yes, what?
And I'm like, I don't know.
And then we went on a journey.
And that journey has led us to understand how information is turning to knowledge and also
how knowledge is really something that matters in relation to a group of people and then we start
making systems to make a digital version of that where we're like okay how do we use
technology to represent knowledge as the thing that happens when people
interact with each other?
And we kind of came up with this idea of, okay, let's organize a birthday party.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, we're skipping ahead.
Skipping ahead.
That's good.
We have this, we have the birthday parties planned.
Don't worry about this. This is a great, great place to start in the, okay.
Yeah.
So why we decided knowledge, obviously DCI, DCI world, um,
knowledge is the fuel of all of this.
So we're kind of converging on this and Carlos in particular was, uh,
thinking about a, the information overload that we're experiencing,
where you have so much different information and where you get it from and
how it's sourced and stuff. Um, which is just going to get more and
more intense into the future. And also the contextualization of knowledge in the sense
that knowledge is most valuable when it's applied to the place where it came from in that sort of
localized sense. And those are the foundations of why we decided to build this. And I just want to kind of give a few examples
of some of these issues.
In particular, like, okay, this situation here
is knowledge management and knowledge application
to the local context, but why is that useful, right?
And why is knowledge in your local context actually useful?
And so basically, coordination protocol
of how you coordinate with yourself, sorry, with other people
and how you coordinate around that knowledge became the foundation of what became Bonfires for this.
And one of the really important things for us around this idea of coordination and giving people some kind of ownership over their knowledge is the idea that if you are doing what you love or what you're best at, you should be able to find a way to make a living from that.
Right. And so if you have researchers researching a particular science that they care about, that isn't particularly profitable or sometimes has lots of institutional barriers, there should be a method by which they can participate in that science.
They can do that research. They can create that knowledge, but still receive something such that they can make a living off of it, right?
Or at least get some benefit or some value from it.
Yeah.
And the other thing, just to stop here, I've always sort of put a pin on this,
where I think the most important thing is to broaden the scope
of who can consider themselves a researcher.
And I think that everyone has their own subject of interest of things that
they know a lot about because they really care about that. And everyone has hobbies. And like,
our lives are really like centered around the things that we love. And if we create systems
that allow people to, like, like just delve on and and kind of grow their knowledge and like have
some assignation value to that because they're sharing it with other people who care about that
as well then um we can create like a different kind of game but the very important thing is like
everyone needs to think of themselves as a of a a researcher of a thing that they love which
is like a thing that i'd like to say because that's the only thing that really matters
everything else is like you know things that you do to be able to do that
yeah and i think this is like a just looking back to the soil
so i thought i was on mute just thinking about the deco world this is the sort of foundation of
the spirit of what we've been trying to do for four years, which is, okay, like, what is a scientist, right?
We've been asking this question to people in DSI conferences and such for a while, like, what is a scientist?
And there are some people in the crowd who are established institutional scientists, and for good reason, right?
They put a lot of work into it, a lot of of effort into it and it's their entire sort of passion but it's also about opening up the field of science and research to people who aren't
institutionally trained or at least don't have the same access as some of these folks and
people who are scientists obviously should participate in science but people who are not
quote-unquote scientists should also be able to participate in science right and in a meaningful
way in a sense that they can have ideas, fine, but they can produce results, experiment, record the data in a verifiable way so it can be
used in the scientific process, get paid for it, get reputation for it, get the prestige for it
that others can get. Not a lot of scientists from previous years, from the Enlightenment era,
weren't officially like scientists. They were just some people just with some money doing the things that they wanted to do in their spare time because
they didn't have to work and finding things out and then becoming like world-renowned scientists
because of that and that's that sort of experimentation that sort of freedom is is
a really important part of what of what we're trying to do here yeah and also kind of like
re-establish the link between science and people, because I think that right now
there's a big divide between what scientists are doing and like the scientific pursuit,
which is in favor of like an endowment.
And that is not necessarily related to what people would like to be researched about.
Right.
I mean, I'm sure that we, if we just pull this room, like there's a lot of interesting research
questions that maybe we have in common, but no one's is because nobody asked the question, what would you like to have researched?
And having a public process, a democratic process to say,
these are the things that we are interested in as a group of people,
then that enables you to create different different, you know, systems around it. And we have all these cool primitives now, like prediction markets and like other cool
things that are coming out.
And like, what if you could come and say, Hey, like, we're going to make a prediction
market around like your research question and like people can put money on it so that
you're being held accountable.
And like all these systems of checks and balances
are suddenly being generated like not explicitly but by the virtue of basically money sort of
tying in the bonds that you make to or commitments you make for cost right
yeah it's um it opens up the possibilities right and I always like to think of it from this perspective. I, um, let's say have doubts around the existing infrastructure of our system.
And, you know, one of the early onboarding into the system itself is fucked is like,
for example, is there fluoride in the tap water or these sorts of things?
And in a moment when I'm sort of growing up and thinking, well,
someone should really figure that out.
Like someone should test this, right?
Like we should know if what we're drinking. and it's just like, well, that would,
would that the whole point is to make that possible.
Right.
So that yeah, somebody should test it.
It's like, yeah, it could be you, or it could be anybody on your street in your,
like in your local community.
And they could easily access the tools and the knowledge and the ability to do so.
And then you could trust that cause it can be verified.
And these, the, the method of science becomes something that we can all participate right and also in a future also being able to
like participate in that process of answering the question because if it's like oh we're doing this
research about like fluoride like like fluoride water and like okay you get to sample your own
tap water and send your sample to get it like it to be included in the thing, then when you see
the result, it's like, oh, this is the thing that I participated in. So you trust the results
more than if someone comes and tells you, yeah, the government sampled randomly and
like somewhere up there and like you have to trust the statistics.
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So this is a really good backdrop for us to sort of really dive into
a bit more about bonfire specifically. Again, the backdrop being open knowledge, open science leads to better outcomes. It's an inevitable next step for science. And if we're heading towards this very participatory, decentralized, online intensive system, how are we going to make sense of all of this information, right?
So that is the backdrop of why we built Bonfires. And I'm just going to go in now into a little bit
more on the tech side. The distinction in particular between Bonfires or bonfires.ai,
the platform that's being launched and go follow the account here, bonfires.ai,
and knowledge network, or previously known as proof of knowledge for those who have been around with us for a long time um it's important i think here to distinguish
between what bonfires is as a platform and a technology and what knowledge network is
as a platform and a technology um bear in mind dc world has been working on knowledge network
as we mentioned for a few years and bonfires is something that has emerged as a necessity
a necessary part of this sort of combination to the utilization
of knowledge network.
So Carlos, do you want me to go ahead and explain knowledge network or would you like
to do the different?
Yeah, I'll do it.
So basically on this sort of quest for, quest for knowledge, let's call it.
One of the things that we did is like thought, like one of the questions that we had is, okay, what is the smallest
sort of representation of knowledge that we can get to? And, and how do we create a system
to incentivize that? And, and, and sort of this idea of a pixel of knowledge. And because
if you, if you want to have an accounting system, you need a unit of account, right?
So to be able to value knowledge in any, in a meaningful way, you need to have an accounting system you need a unit of account right so to be able to value
knowledge in any in a meaningful way you need to have some sort of like measurement of of it right
and uh basically looking at the technology of of lms and and specifically how vector searches work
kind of our theory right now is that if you had like a broad active network
of queries, like people asking questions all the time, and then you had a big pool of information,
like these units of information pooled in a place, you could track the activity of that
network and basically the fact that your information, which is attached to your wallet, gets retrieved is meaningful as a signal for us to say, okay, you've proved that this knowledge is relevant in some way.
So that's what we call the proof of knowledge mechanism that we use to like pay out an incentive on the knowledge network.
And, and so, so then how do you get to this?
The question is like this bootstrapping phase, how do you get to this network state where like you have all these squares and all these data and bonfires is kind of the solution to that as like a process that people can use to turn their
unstructured information into sort of a language that an AI can use to understand their context.
So what we're doing with Bonfires, and the name is really evocative in that sense, is
like we're creating like a campfire setting where in the middle there's a bonfire, well, there's a comfort bonfire,
that people contribute their data with. And as this data is consumed, it is turned into
basically tags and structure that we use to classify everything and then train these,
what I call, quote unquote, vernacular models models which means like they're highly localized to that
specific bonfire uh to to then be able to classify its its environment so it creates like a little
model of the context that you're providing and this is constantly being being fed different
sources of information so i think if we want to deeper, like this is a good time to talk about
the birthday party example, Josh, you think?
Yes, kind of. I have three examples lined up and we can talk in just a sec. I think,
let me take a recap because we do, because we know this text so well, we do tend to get
very sort of deep into this. It's useful for me to, to i think recap every now and again so um knowledge network was
built primarily for this system of essentially uh collectivizing into a pool of open source access
open access data um through vector search through ai search uh a bunch of information a bunch of
knowledge right that and creating an incentive mechanism for the retrieval of this knowledge so
the more it's used across the network,
the more you get paid.
This was the foundation of Knowledge Network.
And we sort of built an early implementation of that
and then progressed it and built multiple sort of versions of that.
And I think some people in the audience
have even used the Haiku compression version
that we used, which was epic.
And this was the proof of knowledge
and the Knowledge Network,
which is open source data lake almost for people to contribute to and read from and get rewarded for your contributions to that.
Right. And then how do you contribute to the knowledge network?
groups of people, as Carlos mentioned, to gather around a bonfire and use this bonfire as a
sense-making device to take all of the information that you have around your specific subject that
you care about and turn that into machine actionable knowledge or essentially a vector
to be stored on knowledge network. So knowledge network is the infrastructure that this is all
occurring on and bonfires is the onboarding tool to allow people to essentially contribute to
knowledge network whilst doing the thing that they want to do through their bonfire the thing
that they care about um the sea the bonfire is the raft yes yes or the blockchain is the dark forest
and the bonfire lights it up you know we can talk about that later so yeah okay that given that as
a premise um i think yeah a few practical examples would be helpful.
Carlos, please start with the birthday party
and try and sort of bring out exactly how it works
with the Knowledge Network and Bonfires at each moment.
Yeah, so, okay, so let's talk about the current
sort of space of group organization.
And let's use the birthday party as an example. If you want to
organize a birthday party with your friends, maybe you have different sources of information,
maybe a tweet, maybe a Facebook conversation, maybe like a video call, like an actual in-person
conversation. And usually someone has to take the role of the organizer of
understanding everyone's needs and wants and like figure out when everyone's schedule is there and
basically organize this process right but it's a very um even though we have digital tools to assist
this it's still down to a person to make sense of it all and organize all these data
sources.
So with bonfires now, what we're going to do is to plug in all these data sources to
the bonfire.
So as you still have these conversations with people, you are going to start to create
labels.
So this is what the bonfire uh produces they create like
tags and keywords basically that allow us to first understand your intentions so first to identify
that you want to create a birthday party and here's where the knowledge network comes in because
if there's many many bonfires and like a lot of them have made birthday parties before we can actually search for similar
examples of successful birthday parties and we can just bring the labels not the information
because we don't need it because it's a different birthday party right but we can bring just the
labels and like think about it as a decision making tree that allows you to sort of ghost run this and in your context.
So these labels are going to be brought in and then they're going to be compared with
your existing data.
And we have a process that is going to basically select which ones are relevant and then start
this.
And this is only the first step because then we go even deeper and try to identify, okay, who's the birthday person?
What are the gifts that are being given?
What's the venue?
And all these things start to be extracted from the context.
So as they're extracted from the context, of course, we're not asking the user, like people, to go on a dashboard and look at a database to plan a birthday party, right?
That would be ridiculous.
What we're doing is that we're using a genetic interface to look at all this structured data and be able to understand the broader picture.
And by doing so, it can identify the missing stuff, points of contention.
For example, the birthday person is away during the time
that you want to make the birthday party and no one knew.
And this information can be surfaced by the agent
as in the way that I call it like an AI telephone game
where actually you don't lose any information.
So anything that you say in the context of the bonfire is being saved
so that you don't lose any data as you're organizing this. So the fact and the outcome
is that if you're successful, like the example that I give is usually you say, okay, you're
invited to my birthday party, bring your own beer. And what happens? Everyone brings beer, right?
But, okay, that's good.
But what if everyone knew that, okay, someone's bringing beer, I'm going to bring some wine, I'm going to bring some ice, I'm going to bring some soft drinks, some like other things, because you know what the current commitment is.
Because every time someone says they're going to bring something,
the agent is sort of taking note and everything is being kept.
So ideally what you can do with a bonfire is organize with the same amount
of people, but do bigger events and like have less time wasted because a lot
of it is being organized or structured automatically by the
system. Any thoughts, Josh? No, I think that's a very salient example. We like to
use the birthday party example because it's quite simple, right? And like
everybody has a birthday, right? So everybody knows what a birthday party's
like. But I'm sort of want to go look on two other applied examples, but if
there's any questions, by the way, guys,
please just like raise your hand, come up and speak.
Very happy to do that.
And if any, this is confusing or you want to dig deeper on the tech,
please do so.
We have Carlos here for that exact reason.
So let us know.
But yeah, I think the big takeaway here is that point being is you've got an AI
here that's going to help you
with your bonfire to achieve a task. In this example, a birthday party. It's, Carl's just
mentioned all the ways that it can improve and make that easier. A lot of the heavy lifting of
organization is just keeping track of things, which people, myself in particular, I suck at.
And AI is very good at that sort of thing. So we it for that reason but the cool thing is also now you
have a record sort of a proof or a tree of the decisions that you took in order to get to the
the end of your birthday party and that is what we're sharing through knowledge network right
that that that decision tree that idea of what it is for my perfect birthday party is what we're
importing into other bonfires allowing people to borrow. It's almost like a blueprint commons, right?
Like a knowledge commons for blueprints.
This leads us at some point into the idea of cosmolocalism
because cosmolocalism requires a global knowledge commons
to be applied to your local context.
And that's what we're contributing towards with this.
But just as another example,
I'd like to sort of put forward the idea of a research project, right?
And again, that's how we started this.
Carlos came with a research project with a research question.
And that's really where this sort of system can excel, especially with the knowledge sharing capabilities,
because you can have some people who come together who want to solve either an academic problem or just like maybe a health problem,
or they have a question about something they're seeing in the forests near their house about a growth on a tree or something.
You ask these questions, you put it to a bonfire, and the bonfire is going to essentially help you
organize what you already know, but then go and access the knowledge commons of the internet,
the knowledge commons of the knowledge network, and other materials such as this, to help you
find results. And if it can't find results, it's going to go and other materials such as this to help you find results.
And if it can't find results, it's going to go and tell you and recommend where to find those results.
And so it becomes an active participant in the research process.
But actually, it's facilitating you as the researcher and your crew as the researchers to basically do the science.
And so when you obviously find out the results of these studies that you're running,
you're now uploading this information to the Knowledge Network as well,
so other people can benefit from the research you've done.
It can be reproduced very simply because of the structure that we're embedding
in the Knowledge Network as this decision tree.
You can take this decision tree and you can run it locally in your own context,
and this produces reproducible birthday parties or reproducible science right which is
kind of one of the things that we're missing one of the one of the best examples that i'm really
excited to see someday is this idea of a bonfire as a tool for a classroom in the sense that if you
think of a classroom as this process where from your perspective, you go to class, you pass a class and you leave.
Right. But from the teacher's perspective, there's these waves of people who come by and look at the same context and sort of are trying to are trying to be graded on the same sort of scale.
And each one of these groups of people have their own particularities, like they have their own questions, they have their own concerns, they have their own issues.
particularities. They have their own questions, they have their own concerns, they have their
own issues. And right now, there is no real way to capture any of that, other than through
the teacher's memories of the classes. But if a very old teacher passes away, all that
knowledge goes away with them. And that's a very sad thing. And there isn't really a
way to capture... Yes, you could have their books, but you can't really replace an old professor.
You know what I mean?
And if the process of giving class
fed this bonfire every year
with different contributions, ideas,
like when this person retires,
you don't really lose a person because all the things
that they've gathered over their lifetime are there to be like, you know, passed down to the
next generation. So then you can have an institution in a bonfire, you know, where it's like, oh,
there's been a thousand years of class in this thing, or this same bonfire has been applied to
all the classrooms in the world that has seen basically every children or every every like major in a given subject so now now it has like a much much broader perspective
of what's going on and like it's a it's an interesting like like idea that i think has
been very under explored because we haven't had the means to like other than you know grade the
students like how well they did on a grading from zero to
100 you don't have a way to say like what were their qualitative like contributions to the
knowledge commons of the class you know yeah and some archival or just general recording systems
are what's being improved more than anything with
these digital systems that we're providing, right, is the ability for something to be shared
and sent and now with large data centers and with AI archived. The Enlightenment period was
sort of really kicked off in the aftermath of the printing press, right, which is
the major innovation of the time,
probably one of the most major innovations since AI,
until AI, basically,
because it allowed the different methods of information transfer.
It allowed the speed of communication, the speed of information,
and the different types of information to be transferred.
And that's what AI is allowing with vectorization,
with computer vision,
all these things that we can do to preserve much more data is going to, that's going to be the groundwork
of the new enlightenment, right?
The enlightenment V2.
And our sort of, our idea, our sort of hope is that
if there is going to be an enlightenment V2
because of this new information processing,
then we have to have a good ownership of it as a people, right?
That sort of, you saw what happened in the aftermath of the enlightenment with various revolutions and social contracts and
other things changing the world forever i think we're probably ending heading in towards a
direction like that with this technology uh sort of makes sense that it would be and our idea is
if that will happen how do we get humanity, individuals within that place, some kind of agency over that?
And so that's where the Knowledge Network sort of came in as a way to benefit from the technology as much as possible, but also get some ownership over it.
Yeah. And I also think that it will only happen if we do that.
Like not like when we do that, but like this whole process will happen if we achieve that system.
And one of the insights that we have is that like data, like unstructured data is like
an unintelligible thing, like a bunch of like misspellings and like people meaning
a thing and saying another.
And like, it's a very hard thing to parse right
and unless you have the sort of uh consent of the people who are participating to to to really dive
into each like you know context specifically and learn what each group of people is about, you're not going to be able to learn the language to understand what they're saying.
So this process really enables the benefits of AI, where it's no longer just a gimmick
of like, oh, I'm writing my papers now and learning nothing. Because you are teaching the AI.
And basically, OpenAI has all this information
being given to them, because that's the only way
to use it right now.
But what you said earlier, we don't really
need super hyper-intelligent AI.
We really need these wide context windows that can allow us to see the big picture because
most of our problems are not seeing the big picture.
And we don't, as humans, from our perspective, we can only see from a first-person view of
the world.
And most people can't even imagine systems thinking because they can only think about reality from their points of view.
But everyone in this space, if you really understand Bitcoin, you understand the size of it, right?
And how many people really are mining Bitcoin right now?
And how many people are taking a plane at any given moment?
And the fact that none of them crash is like statistically really, really wild.
You know?
Yeah. The plane, the plane travel thing freaks me out. Let's not talk about that.
It's like the deep ocean. You know, I traveled too much by plane to think about it.
No, I'm the, the size of, of the future really is mind boggling,
but I think the only way to tackle it is to decentralize it,
to break it up into smaller pieces so that we can handle it,
participate in it still, and not get swallowed up by it.
And that's, like you say, I think there really is only one opportunity
for that to happen.
And if we can do, not knowledge network, but as an existing ecosystem,
if we can do that, then I think we'll have a good future for it.
And just on that last point, I want uh run it back from one last sum up with like a pop-up city for example and the
reason i like this example is because it's very popular amongst uh our communities and the ethereum
community um we've frequented pop-up cities a number of times ourselves myself and carlos and
a lot of our team um and the pop-up city is it's kind
of like a hackathon it's kind of like it's just a thing that gets reproduced around the world right
that people do they put their own spin on it uh they have their own goals their own missions and
their own restraints uh but generally it's hey let's all get together let's have sessions together
let's uh co-work let's do some workshops and such things as this. And if you decide to use a bonfire, for example, to create a pop-up city,
what you're going to do is get the support to create the pop-up city
and have some creative ideas, work together with your people in your local context
to make it relevant to, for example, I'm in Berlin right now, right?
So there's a Zoo Berlin, uh the berlin area the berlin uh culture the amount of
money that you have to spend here uh the sort of places that you can stay that's all going to be
local to you in your organization for your berlin pop-up city bonfire but the process that you went
through to get that if you share that with other people now they can have a tried and tested uh
free access schematic for being doing a pop-up city in their local area,
they can change it. They can add additional steps, remove steps, simplify all of the time,
localizing it to their own context. And now you have the ability with this decentralized system
to, if you want to do as an ecosystem, a thousand pop-up cities in a year, then you could do so,
right? Because everybody now has access to the schematics in a much simpler method.
And the people that provided the schematics are actually being incentivized for the use of it.
Yeah. And also, another thing is like, just to link that back to the example I gave about the classroom,
each pop-up city would be contributing back to like this concept that we're all sharing because,
okay, it's an ephemeral thing.
We go to Pop-Up City and then you leave.
But what if we could have like a say, like everyone who goes to Pop-Up City agrees on
these statements that we are all talking about because every time you do a workshop,
like people talk about the same things.
So like, what if your workshop actually, other than
just directly talking to the people in front of you, actually was also talking to everyone
who's making a pop-up city and participating in this third new dimension of conversation
that you have between everyone who's making a pop-up city. And you could have a pop-up
have a public city that lasts two hours, but you're contributing to the conversation.
city that lasts two hours, but you're contributing to the conversation. And it's a session,
And it's a session, like a classroom session that happened.
So over time, if this happens a lot, then you can grow like a, like a consciousness
basically of like what everyone who goes to a pop-up city like is, is, is vibing around.
Like to put it in those terms.
Uh, but, but you could actually get to some actionable things.
Yes. but you could actually get to some actionable things. Yes, the abstract into the action,
that's kind of what we're trying to achieve
with the Bonfire platform,
get the AI in front of people
so they can actually achieve something,
whether they can contribute to this large mind boggling system
that also benefits from its contributions.
It's very heady stuff,
but honestly it is where we're heading um right guys i have five to ten minutes here on my
personal schedule for people to chat us to chat with each other so if you want to chat and you
want to ask us any questions please feel free to do so we have five to ten minutes on the schedule
set aside for it um i'll give you like a minute to build up the bravery to
request
i promise i don't like i do if you like that then we can do that too
i'm joking we are in berlin so i have to be careful to make sure people know i'm joking. We are in Berlin, so I have to be careful to make sure people know I'm joking.
Okay, there are no audience questions, unless Dorian, you're Dorian, unless you came in
with a question, but I don't think you did. So I'll move on.
I'll do the question.
He joined immediately.
Okay, so we've spoken a lot about bonfires, what it does, how it does it, why it's important.
I just want to, the last 20 minutes, I want to touch a little bit on the cosmolocal philosophy
that we've been embedding into everything that we've been doing at the Bonfires project
as a project and also seeping more and more into basically everything that DCI World does.
and also seeping more and more into basically everything that DCI World does.
So cosmolocalism is this concept of it's a social organization or social innovation in a sense
where you organize your society around the principle of cosmo which is digital infrastructure
so in the internet, knowledge commons, online capital, you know, networks, the cybernetic world in
which we live in, that is the digital or the Cosmo. And it's setting up so that you use
Cosmo in service of the local. And the local is either your material world around you,
the place where you live, the place where you work, your community, but it can also be
your local digital space as well. So for example, your DAO, you know, DCI World, we have a,
we are a locale for certain people around the world, right?
People can come and know where they are with DCI World.
So it's using this digital infrastructure in service of the local.
So local goals, local missions, and preferably
and ultimately materially local as well, right?
So that you take these online lessons
and you apply them to the world around you
to the people and the earth and the nature around you and by doing so locally you reduce your impact
on the planet for example you don't have to do supply like global supply chain manufacturing
and shipping and such most goods on average uh emit three times more emissions in transportation to their final destination
than they do in actual production.
And that's a crazy statistic that we spend about three times more emissions on transportation
than we do on production for basic goods.
So the whole point of this cosmolocalism is to take the global infrastructure and use
it in service of our local use it for example
to manufacture things and to grow things and to consume things from your local area all with the
intention of reducing the impact of globalization on the planet and improving the world for your
local society or local community because as we mentioned the the world's going to get quite
kind of crazy and hectic but the more localism you have, the more empowered your local people are, the more resilient you may be to those global influences.
And so that's the underlying philosophy of what Bonfires is. It is the ability for us to utilize and grow the digital commons and put it in service of the local world and local infrastructure.
In the material world, yes, but also in the online digital but local sense.
Coyote, you are up. Hey, Coyote, how are you doing?
Wonderful. We're having problems trying to get the question before when you were soliciting for them.
So pardon if this is interrupting and or you would like to hold for a later question session.
But if I can,
go ahead. It sounded
like you're actually pitching
three products kind of in one.
This combination
of AI
as administrative
role, you know, doing
what a classic
project manager or administrator would do in the past. Like you said, the what a classic, you know, project manager or administrator
would do in the past, like you said, the tracking of the calendar, the catching of the minutiae
that somebody might miss in a scheduling conflict or something, combined with, as a templated
system that can be shared around, but also in there is this growing Library of Alexandria type system that as people use the templates
and gather knowledge, their knowledge can be incorporated into this broader collection
of knowledge that's been gathered over time.
But also alongside that, this personal activity record of everybody's contribution to the
different uses of these templates in these gatherings to get things done.
Am I right?
You are.
But also you get paid for your contributions to the Library of Alexandria.
Okay.
And a royalty system to get paid for your contributions to the library of alexander okay okay and and
a royalty system to to get paid for those contributions yeah i mean they're more like
almost like an actor's guild yeah and it's a lot like uh like a trying to to spin like a flywheel
effect because the the what you mentioned later the the contribution system is based on basically the retrievals from
the library. So as people go to the library and ask for books, like we keep a tally of like,
what are the most requested books? And like we say, Okay, these are the most relevant books for
the current context. And that's our sort of baseline assessment of what's being read. And
we talk about the knowledge supply chain logistics
where ideally we have different groups of people
with different purposes.
And like some group of people only want to like
check whether a book is true or false.
And by doing so, yes, they're giving retrievals
to a false book, but they're also saying,
hey, this book sucks.
And that means that in the future,
that book is going to be retrieved less.
So you have this sort of ecosystem of knowledge trees emerge.
And we can also, the idea is that this eventually leads to training data that we use to train these localized models that you can average for a given context.
So you can then ask a question and then say,
OK, we've built this model out of this selection
from these five experts that have been created
by these different processes.
But they're going to average to a response that's local to you.
But what we created is the indexing system to enable this.
to enable this.
Is that clear?
Oh yes, that clarifies, thank you.
Good, okay, good.
All right, yeah, like I said, anyone else,
any questions, please feel free to come up and ask them.
And if you can elucidate what we just explained
better than Coyote there,
then I can ask you to come and do that same because right now we're using coyote as marketing material so if you want to get
featured in this i was marking material please come come on stage now um all right that's so
that's cosmo localism guys uh in a in a nutshell and why and and sort of like as an understanding
of how this affects what we're building and bonfires
um just a little bit more about it i think it's really interesting to know that there is a huge
movement around cosmolocalism um you can go to peer-to-peer foundation uh they have the cosmolocal
wiki lots of really awesome information there about other people who have been doing cosmolocalism
um for years you know real case studies folks who have actually been trying this philosophy to
guide their work. And a lot of these folks are not empowered by Web3. And that's kind of the key
and most exciting part about this is that these movements around peer-to-peer interactions and
more localization or post-globalization have been happening for a long time. And there is,
of course, lots of crossover with web 3 and just generally
the cypher punkism with these movements but a lot of the grassroots stuff people who are working
with ngos people who work with universities with local people those guys haven't been doing blockchain
so much for the last like 15 years because they've been out you know doing the work uh talking to the
people putting their hands on the earth and this stuff which takes a lot of time and certainly uh
doesn't provide the most return on resources this has kind of excluded a lot of time and certainly uh doesn't provide the most return
on resources this has kind of excluded a lot of folks from being directly involved in the creation
of web3 uh the some of the technologies that have been built around all this for example
uh and that's a big problem right and that's why a lot of these folks are still quite disconnected
and still less empowered don't have much, you don't have better systems for reporting,
for collaborating, and that's why it's been breaking down. Now, this is the time with Web3 for us to start thinking about how to implement these systems into these existing efforts,
which a lot of those folks just maybe just don't even know, or maybe don't trust,
maybe see some of the ways that the Web3 ecosystem has spent its money and some of the actors that have come from it and some of the news around it and just thought like we want to do good
for this world and that's not doing good for this world and we have a chance now to show people right
we've built a tool for this exact uh exact reason and like i said the peer-to-peer foundation some
of the work they've been doing is amazing and i speak to them and we're really humbled by it
but at the same time it's like uh
guys like there's no chance of you really progressing into the future with without
adopting some of these technologies and we have an opportunity now to work directly with these
folks who are excited maybe a little bit uh sort of trepidatious about it because of some of the
experiences they may have had but everyone's very excited about what if this technology works what
it can do and so we're just excited to have actually built something that people can use for this particular
reason and yeah there's going to be i think we're going to get quite a lot of support from these
folks uh michelle balance who's the founder of peer-to-peer foundation is already very excited
about what we're doing we're going to have him on a spaces in a couple weeks on the bonfires account
to talk about cosmolocalism from his perspective and some of the things he's done and we'll see how bonfires
can potentially uh improve that and maybe some experiments that we're going to run from that
so stay tuned for that um and we're also over the next few weeks let's say the next
three weeks now yeah i'm going to be releasing two articles a week about
cosmologicalism as an ideology and as a framework uh that if you're unfamiliar with it this is the
first time hearing it then follow the bonfires.ai twitter account which is in this call and we'll
be releasing this this article series over the next couple weeks that you can follow along and and learn from as well.
Okay.
So that brings me to my final two points, which is about how to get involved in Bonfires.
So we're talking a lot about it,
saying how exciting it is and how amazing it is.
So to actually use it is the next step.
If you feel like you're like a really interested power user
kind of person, go to bonfires.ai, the website, and sign up to the mailing list.
There's a mailing list on there.
We're basically handing out instructions to everybody on that mailing list about how to participate in our beta program.
And there's two stages to the beta program.
There's the alpha, which is primarily testing the agent framework, which is how useful they are, how interesting they are, and any sort of requests on the particularly agent framework which is primarily on telegram and then the beta which
is how those agents are actually interacted with on-chain using the bonfires.ai platform the ibo
mechanism this initial bonfire offering which i mentioned um that is the beta program which is
the much more on-chain aspects and so we're looking for people to help us review, beta test,
contribute if they have any ideas,
especially if you want to build anything, let us know.
Reach out to us through DMs, any of us on the stage right now.
But yes, get signed up to that mailing list first, please.
There is a timeline of around two months from today.
End of July is when the full platform should be going live.
The alpha will be beginning next week.
Beta will be beginning about three weeks from today.
And then, yeah, end of July, you should be able to use the platform for yourself.
To use the platform when it goes live, we are doing a sort of an ICO, essentially,
for this protocol, for the Bonfires protocol,
and for the accompanying knowledge token, ticker K-N-O-W. That sale is going to be going live
at the end of this month, and you'll be able to purchase an NFT, and the NFT gets you a share of
the token when it's launched. This is all laid out in the sale. And that NFT also actually allows you to
use the Bonfires platform when it goes live. So the platform goes live July 31st, and you're
actually, with the NFT, you're able to launch your own Bonfire. If you want to launch your own Bonfire
and you don't have an NFT, then you have to wait one month. You can watch other people's Bonfires
You can watch other people's bonfires and you can join theirs.
and you can join theirs, but if you want to launch your own one, you have to have the NFTs.
But if you want to launch your own one, you have to have the NFTs.
So that's going to basically be how you can use bonfires before the end of August.
Firstly, beta testing and alpha testing.
Please get in our DMs or on our mailing list and we can invite you.
Especially if you've got an idea for a community that can test it or a big project idea.
We'd love to offer you our agents for free to just use to test it.
And then the ICO, which is a share of the
token for sale, that's going to go live at the end of this month for platform launch end of July,
end of next month. And then the token launch and the actual sort of, let's say, public access for
the Bonfire platform will be the end of August. Lots of exciting things to come for us on that
front. Again, if anyone has any
questions around the sale or any of the mechanisms or any questions about that, please feel free
to ask me. Okay, good. Well, guys, look, I've run through my schedule of things to say.
I'm happy to leave the space open for anyone with questions. Carlos, do you have anything you want to add?
I want to add that I'm super excited about this release.
And more than that, I'm excited about...
I've always been more excited about what people are going to make with it.
And I have a few ideas of things that i want to to make using bonfires myself um i think this
this is very exciting technology and i'm really happy to start like sharing it with more people
so let's let's get started you know yes absolutely so guys look last call to actions uh follow
bonfires on Twitter.
Follow anyone else who's speaking on Twitter.
Follow everybody in this call on Twitter.
Probably good followers.
Sound up to our mailing list for our beta testing.
Stay tuned for the ICO at the end of this month.
0.1 ETH per NFT.
So make sure you have 0.1 ETH somewhere in your wallet for that.
And otherwise, share this around with folks is my last request actually.
We've built something really amazing.
It really is state-of-the-art stuff.
And sometimes it's just difficult
getting the word out of this space
unless you have sort of the right connections.
And whilst we are very lucky to be
as connected and networked as possible,
I think at this point,
if you guys find a project that you think is cool,
you should just do whatever you can to help them boost it
because it is a very weird market at the moment in crypto for building.
And you have, on the one hand, very, very strong alignment and interest
from a lot of folks who have been in this space for a long time.
And then you have the VC back projects.
And actually, it's just very difficult to fight that force. Even those people who have been in here for a long time and then then you have the vc back projects and actually it's just very difficult
to fight that force even those people who have been in here for a long time who are very ideologically
aligned they may be a bit more conservative with their investments maybe they don't have so much
money anymore because they've sort of been their marking their market has got them um and just
generally getting the word around for this sort of project is is the biggest thing that you can
do to help us so whenever we share, feel free to just read it,
share it with your friends directly, retweet it,
anything like that would be a massive help going forward
for the next couple of weeks.
So thanks, guys.
Like I said, any questions, we'll wait for a minute.
Otherwise, we'll close the space out.
Cool.
All right, team.
Well, thank you, everyone, for joining.
And see you on the next one.
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