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Designing the Future - Beyond the Screen. #SpatialComputing #AR
Recorded: April 17, 2025 Duration: 1:10:49Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion on the future of augmented reality and spatial computing, speakers highlighted key trends and growth opportunities in the tech landscape, emphasizing the importance of human-centric design and community engagement in driving innovation.
Full Transcription
Thank you. so
so Music Keep going. All right, well, let's stop this intro and let's start getting ready for the space.
I can't believe it's Thursday already.
Where did the time go, honestly?
So we have a speaker coming on and we actually had a number of speakers,
but for some reason,
their RL timeline was such that they,
a lot of them said,
we'll try to pop in.
So we do have a dedicated speaker that said they will come in.
We're still waiting for them.
And that's why I decided,
you know what,
let's also call this a speaker pop-up space.
So we have here Rex Gatling, if you don't know. He's been with us for a number of times and a very
important speaker to have, especially in these types of topics when we're talking about spatial
computing and XR and everything like that. I'm really glad that Rex can join us. Hopefully, the other speakers
will pop up. It's insane. So, I was just on a Flux Network space that just ended a few minutes ago,
and really, really interesting. Oh my goodness, Scarlett, woohoo! Really, really interesting topic.
They were talking about, you know, in terms of deep in decentralized versus centralized. And, you know, like these are full-on heavy it guys um learning a lot
just learning learning a lot at the same time chiming in not so much with an over the reality
take but i guess with my personal take if there are questions that are related to over the reality
then obviously i i totally would um I love seeing Scarlet here.
I love seeing Deepin Nomad back.
And I love seeing Rex Gatling.
I didn't send you guys some of the mic.
Rex, I sent you the mic.
Not sure if you caught it.
My bad.
I throw it like a girl.
So let's see. I'm going to actually share out the space.
Toot, toot, toot, toot, toot.
I should stop doing these back-to-back spaces because then I get all kerfuffled.
So let me just share it. Let me just share it.
Oh, well, hang on. My goodness, we're live. Wow.
So I'm sharing it from my personal account we're live join in oh brother very very cta-ish call to action is really makes you want to jump in and join um if you can do share out the
space um to your community i'm going to like let's see share it to some other communities as well. Okay, what community can I share it with?
Okay, okay, okay.
So this topic is quite interesting.
It's kind of near and dear to my heart.
It's beyond the screen.
And when we're talking about beyond the screen,
I don't know how, I don't know if you were like this when you were small, but I remember when I was watching TV and like Saturday morning, you know, with cornflakes and milk, with a bowl
of cornflakes and milk, uh, with one foot to the, like, I'm literally one to two feet from the TV.
And my mom would always say, move back from the television, move back from the television.
And I'm like, okay, right. So that was
the one thing that I grew up with. My mom always told us to move back from the television, like
don't sit so close. And lately, or recently, I know that there are parents who monitor screen
time, not only to themselves, but also to their children. Or do they? I don't even know.
So we are in a reality where, first, we didn't have mobile phones,
where when we engaged socially,
we literally looked at each other face-to-face
with no extraneous interruptions.
But nowadays, and I don't do this, I try not to do this anyway, but nowadays when we
interact socially, even when we are out at concerts and stuff like that, we have these rectangular
things in our hands and we just can't get rid of them. It's like, you know, we're here eating,
we're at a restaurant or we're celebrating a family member's birthday, but we have these
rectangular things in our hands to capture everything. A lot of people capture coffee,
what they eat, where they're going, you know, the duck that crossed the street and stuff like that.
So what's happening now when we're entering into the era of spatial computing and augmented reality
and we're entering into an era of like new wearable devices, right? I'm
specifically talking about like these Ray-Ban meta glasses or X-Real or, you know, extended
realities or whatever. I'd really love to hear from the panel of speakers. You guys, I love this
pop-up. I could not ask for any of the best, best pop-up speaker panel here. Scarlett, Deepin,
Nomad, and Rex.
I'm going to go with Rex first, okay, because he did show up first.
Rex, what have you to say about this beyond the screen?
Like, go for it.
Well, what I have to say about it,
actually, that's actually the proper topic about beyond the screen,
because with augmented reality, and I think people who misunderstand this is that
Augmented reality is meant to take everything that you're already seeing on the screen and put it out to you in the real world
Meaning that meaning that yes, it will be in glasses
But it'll be virtually available to everywhere around you meaning now. Now you're gonna start seeing it
Infrastructure you're gonna start seeing it on display at just at your stores. I mean, I'll give you an example
I have I just I flew back. I flew back from Atlanta last week and I went to it
I went to I went to a restaurant in the airport and there's no no workers
There's no cashiers. Only thing they had only thing they hand you was pretty much. It's pretty much a screen
And and it has an all-minute reality display on it
Um, but from what I see I see where I see where it's getting to a point where now
It's going to be everywhere where they're not they're probably not going to hand me a tablet or hand me
Or hand me a device to make to make my order where or I have to walk up to one
It's going to be virtually it's going to be virtually virtually built into the infrastructure
Um, I think that I think that I think that we're entering in a time where I have to walk up to one it's going to be virtually it's going to be virtually virtually built into the infrastructure
um, I think that I I think that I think that we're entering in a time where
The where the customer has changed where now they pretty much have accepted that
I'm going to be probably looking at a screen more than a third of my day
Um, and I think I think I think that I think that we come from a generation
That remember that remembers the early days of cell phones have to adjust to it.
I just think that it's now just a habit that you can't live without being in front of a screen or being inundated with screens.
But I think augmented reality is going to change that dynamic.
Well said.
I'm going to move over to Scarlett. Scarlett, what have you to say and how are you? Hello, everybody. I'm really wonderful here in Wynwood, Miami, Florida.
It's a very amazing, nice, risky 78 degrees, I believe.
amazing nice risky 78 degrees I believe well you know in terms of augmented
reality which is in the digital twin of the internet itself you know it's fast
changing I think the definition itself is is better being defined but yes of
course we're gonna have an an integration where the digital world
meets the physical world. And it's going to be interchangeable. We kind of have to understand
a little bit how the internet is going to be consumed. The current internet, which is a Web2,
it's very two-dimensional. And so this new spatial web of intranets is going to be an enhancement of the current internet, but more of a 3D digital layer, which interface with the real world.
And so we're going to start seeing more use cases of that.
You start to see this with holograms, telepresence, AR.
But we use AR constantly, and people don't even identify them.
I'll give you an example.
Ooh, what happened?
She dropped down as a, oh, it could have been a connection.
Let's wait for her to come back up.
Just right at the tip of what she was going to say.
Isn't that crazy?
I do want to welcome the pipe G Dao.
They are one of the actually committed speakers, so I'm so glad to have you here.
A lot of the other cohorts said, well, we'll pop in.
And I said, okay.
So we do have some speakers that pop in, so I'm really glad for that.
So you guys, we just heard from Scarlett Arana.
She's at Wynwood down in miami and i'm pretty sure she
must have hit a pocket there she goes she must have hit a pocket of like no no data or something
like that i know she will pop back up um let's wait for her to pop up but i will um let's go
over to deep in nomad how are you oh how was your boating how was was your over 3D mapping on the boat last week?
It was great. It was a lot of fun. And thank you for having me. I'm still in Florida, just like Scarlett.
I'm in Nokomis right outside of Venice, so maybe a couple hours away from Wynwood, Miami.
Oh, my God, that's amazing. Have you met Scarlett in real life?
No, I haven't met Scarlett on the internet. This is the first time I've been blessed with the knowledge of Scarlett's existence.
It's in the past 90 seconds.
Okay, so put a pin on the calendar somewhere, I would think early December.
She's one of the co-founders of BitBasil.
I mean, BitBasil does everything all year round.
However, they do the really big thing during Art Basil and Miami Art Week.
So I'll hit you up, Deepin Nomad, so you can definitely kind of like join and meet her.
What are your thoughts on this whole beyond the screen topic?
I think it's interesting to look at the framing of the conversation that we've been having so far.
This is a conversation that's ostensibly about augmented reality, hosted by an augmented
reality company.
But the way that it even came up in the first place was you introducing the topic by saying,
when I was a child, I would get reprimanded for sitting too close to the screen.
The way that we're even talking about this is as though it's a problem.
And most of the time when this comes up,
it's presented as a problem.
We have too much screen time.
It's an issue that our lives are mediated by the screen.
I think historically, whenever you have periods
of revolutionary technological development,
they're always accompanied by radical social change.
It's impossible to have revolutionary technology
be developed without upending the ways
that we have traditionally lived.
And throughout history, you see things like that.
The word luddite, that's the word that we use
to describe somebody who is afraid of
or opposed to technological advancement.
That word was invented in the 19th century at the peak of the Industrial Revolution.
So these are sentiments that tend to emerge when we have rapid and radical change in our
society.
One of the things that I've kind of developed as an ethic since beginning to work in this
industry and working in tech in general is rather than confronting the social changes
that will inevitably follow these technological developments with fear and anxiety and apocalyptic
thinking, saying that now is normal, everything is good, and what's
coming is bad, and we should be afraid of it. I've started bringing a devil's advocate
mentality to the table and asking, to what extent are the things we're afraid of,
to what extent do they already exist? To what extent are we already separated from other people and introducing a
screen to the equation does isn't going to change things that much at all so the one thing like the
reason why like the reason why i said this preamble is that the thing that i remember um that's on the
front of my mind anytime this conversation comes up is a quote i read from palmer lucky maybe like 15 or 20 years ago at this point um i was in a doctor's office and it was in
a mag it was like newsweek or something um you know vr ar um all that stuff has been it's kind
of been back in the public psyche over the past year or so in no small part because of crypto's
contribution to its development.
But it's something that's been going on in VR for a long time.
It's something that people start talking about and thinking about, and everybody says,
oh, this will be the time when it really happens.
And then it doesn't really pop off that much, and it goes away for five or 10 years.
And then five or 10 years later, like they start talking about it again.
When Apple Vision Pro came out,
like that was the most recent time when everybody was like,
oh, we're about to move to the 24 hour immersive metaverse,
24 hour immersive VR is finally here.
But I'm old enough to remember like 10 years ago,
they were saying that when Oculus came out.
Around that time, sitting in a doctor's office, I read a magazine article about Palmer Luckey,
and he had a quote where he said, people are so anxious about the arrival of 24-hour immersive
VR because they think we're going to lose our own reality.
What they don't know is that we already have smartphones.
You're already living in 24-hour immersive VR.
The UI just sucks.
All we're doing is adding a better UI to the virtual world that we already inhabit. You're already living in 24-hour immersive VR. The UI just sucks.
All we're doing is adding a better UI
to the virtual world that we already inhabit.
Look what we're doing right now at this exact instant.
We're connecting as humans, talking about things
that are intellectually stimulating for all of us,
staring at a screen.
So if we really think that's the apocalypse,
what are we afraid of? Because it's already there and it's not that bad. So hopefully, hopefully that's not too off topic. Let me know what you think about those ideas.
I loved how you framed your reply.
That is the kind of, yeah, that is the kind of like reply I was kind of fishing for,
and you really covered it really, really well.
Hey, Scarlett, I'm so glad you're back.
I know we caught you off mid-spatial computing,
and you were talking about first understanding what spatial computing is and
how it relates to augmented reality and the screen thing. But Deepin Nomad, so glad you were there.
I love what you said. Let's go back to Scarlett and then I'm going to bring up the Pipe G Dow.
Yo, Scarlett. Hey, everybody. Thank you so much. I guess I had technical difficulties at the time, but hopefully you can hear me now.
Yeah, no, the future is now. I think it's just more of these technologies are becoming more in the consciousness of the masses where we are finally reaching critical mass.
consciousness of the masses where we are finally reaching critical mass.
But they've been around for quite a while.
It's, I feel like AR is now solving real world problems.
And that's really where, you know, as it solves real world issues
and actually more of this technology is going to be adopted.
And with the, I think to your point, when it comes to the hard tech,
it wasn't quite there.
And the UX2I kind of actually impeded progress.
The hardware, meaning like the VR headset was clunking,
the sixth degree of freedom wasn't quite there,
latency issues and so forth, gave the user experience a bad taste.
But I think now we're reaching to a point that it's actually solving, the technology is finding conversions.
So now we're seeing more of this.
I particularly see more AR applications on Smart City in particular.
I think there's been a big interest in creating digital twin of Smart City.
And so this is going to allow more use cases and more job creations within this infrastructure.
That's what gets me excited because now they're starting to develop being, okay, what are some cool use cases where we have the interface of the 3D internet that can
help. I'll give an example you know digitizing power lines or that's using
AR or BIM which is building information model which is used often in construction
in the AAC sector, architecture and construction. We're starting to use stuff
like that and it's just you know we're kind of using our daily lives.
Like I said, I gave an example of the car rear mirror as a cool use case
and the ability to interface more holographically, more natively,
where people can have the interface marketing experience.
So as more and more adoption and solving a problem,
I think we're going to definitely see these technologies.
But the technologies here is just maturing.
That's what got me excited.
One cool example is we talk about Eli, your AI agent that has a digital twin presence.
You're going to be able to interface that augmentedly as well.
So that's something that's really here up and coming.
And, you know, I was just talking to my friend Tom, who is creating that digital twin layer where it's an augmented reality person that basically you
could ask anything from a book and for instance Albert Einstein and be able to answer questions
from that book so that was a cool use case of how he's using augmented reality as a way to natively use this.
And all he did is just scan the book using AR,
and then it had that interface layer as a 3D model.
So it has a more visual way of learning.
So at least for him, that helps to solve that.
He's more of a visual learner.
So I see that being more relatively adopted for that
market segments. And so, yeah, it's where all I can tell you is right now we're
early into the adoption and there will definitely be more use cases coming in in the very near future.
Yeah, you know what, thanks for that breakdown, especially in use cases and really kind of like segmenting like the step by step on how spatial computing, like how this spatial computing platform or ecosystem, how it lends to like augmented reality and the way we interface and we will engage with the world really, really like that take, Scarlett. I do. I brought up Hexadize, and I sent a, what's it called, a mic to MetaMic,
because I wanted his take on AI, and I also brought up Hexadize
because I wanted his take, him being a father of five little human beings.
But before we bring up, we get Hexadize's take,
I want to welcome the Pipe G. Dow.
This is the first time they
are here at Over the Reality Space, so welcome. Thank you for having us. So again, this is the
PipeGDAO and I'm Batsi, aka BatsiraiMuguti.wallet, behind the account, and I'm the founder and lead
contributor here at the PipeGDAO, the boss, the commander, the captain,
the don of the project.
I just thought I'd add that a little bit there.
And yeah, I mean, join me to speak on this subject
or was it just a hi for now?
No, I love that.
I love the whole, the don, the chief.
I love that.
That's like fantastic.
Wait a minute.
This calls for this.
There you go.
What is your first name, Batsi?
I didn't catch that.
Batsi, B-A-T-S-I.
Batsi, nice to meet you.
My name is Carmen.
So glad you made it to the space.
I would totally love your take on beyond the screen here
as we design the future.
Sure.
So a couple of three things, quoting a soprano's line.
So I think what someone said about it's about the interface, because, yes, we are already
live in a mixed reality, special reality world.
But, you know, we're doing it through mobile phones, through keyboards and such.
So I think the way for this to work is to make it as frictionless as possible.
So improving holographic interfaces, I know it's kind of sci-fi type thing, but having
a holographic screen pop up as a digital twin representative that you're able to physically
interact with and to reduce the friction as much as possible.
I think that's how we could bring the digital twins into the real world as much as possible.
So that's one thing.
And then also a company I used to work for, they were into digital twins,
but they would use that for additive manufacturing, which is a technical term for 3D printing.
So they have a digital twin in cyberspace.
They'd send the information over to the,
they send the digital twin specs over to the 3D printer
with the relevant compounds that were required to make it,
and then they'd create parts from it, right?
But it was created digitally first
and then manifested into the reality, right?
So I think having an additive manufacturing or a 3D printing layer to the kind of spatial reality, augmented reality, I think that can help to actually bring the things that are made digitally into the physical world, as opposed to just copying things which are physical into the
digital world and having an interface which kind of connects them, right? So I think there are
multiple angles to this. Wow, you know what, that takes me back when you had me at like 3D printing
and like that whole additive stuff. The reason why I'm saying this is because I'm going to bring it up
and Hexadize is going to laugh.
I remember back in like the mid-2000s when people were active in Second Life
and Second Life is a 3D virtual world.
They're still existing.
Somebody actually got programmed where whatever you built in Second Life in 3D, you can export
it into a 3D printer file. And the, what's it called, the opportunities were amazing because
it was like, you can design furniture, you can design like what people are designing 3D printing
now. And I don't know where that's going,
but that's really interesting about,
see that you brought, that you really brought that up.
You know, we need to talk more about that
because that is a totally different take
on how augmented reality or these digital twins
or how we see 3D, I guess, assets and images,
like how we engage with them. And the fact that you brought up the 3D, I guess, assets and images, like how we engage with them.
And the fact that you brought up the 3D printing aspect is really, yeah, I didn't expect that at all.
I'm glad you brought that up.
Hexodized, I brought you up because you have a son who has now had his own YouTube channel.
So congrats to um wonder boy 2025 and i know he has been
asking for a youtube channel for a very long time but as far as for as long as i've known you for
about three years maybe coming on to four years you've actually i think this son wonder boy 2025
i first met him when i first met you on a Zoom call. I think you came on Zoom and he kind
of like sauntered by your side. And I'm pretty sure this is the same guy. So as a parent of,
I know you have like a teenager and you have a little girl, I'm doxing you, that's young.
How do you as a parent who is very immersed in augmented reality and virtual reality and XR
and all that stuff, how do you find a balance between screen time with your kids? And how does
your, I guess, your significant other feel about that? That is, so it's been an internal struggle.
That is that. So it's been an internal struggle. It is, you know, with because I want.
Right. I want to be doing all of these things, even my own personal self. Right.
And they want to be doing these things. But what finding a healthy balance of, you know, where is it?
And so with what I like to do. right, as long as anything has purpose, and this is the only balance I've found is just finding purpose in whatever it is, right? So if what they're doing on the screen has screen, whether that's building something, typing something to it.
So I had to look at them and be like, oh, no, now you're spending too much time because you.
But as long as whatever they're doing. So even our school that they use is on a screen already.
So all of that, I don't know.
I think for me, the balance isn't the screen time versus what we're doing on the screen with that time
okay yeah i hear you i i hear you um so i'm looking at the speakers metamike deep end nomad
hex scarlet rex and um the pipe g dell uh wow i have a question for just throw at the speaker panel
because hex you just um kind of like triggered something.
But I want to thanks for sharing that.
I do want to come back to you with another question.
But Meta Mike, my goodness.
So we have Meta Mike.
He I don't know.
Like, I don't know what to call him.
Is he the co-founder?
Is he a builder?
He he hosts building A.I. agents workshops every week on spatial.
He's there 24-7, 360.
I don't know, because I'm there collecting coins, and he's always there.
And Meta Mike, this is crazy.
So in this conversation, Designing the Future Beyond the Screen,
and you are pretty much heavily engrossed in AI agents and AI,
do you feel that with the coming of the use of AI agents,
do you think humans could kind of like relax from screen time
and have our AI agents kind of like take over partially?
You're muted, by the way, if you're muted by the way if you're speaking sorry was that to me yes sorry metamike yes that was yeah sorry i just i have you on my car and i just had to get out and put a little
air in the tires so i think i missed it um you were saying if, like, our AI agents can, like, kind of do our metaverse playing for us.
Was that kind of what we were talking about?
Kind of.
Like, do you see AI agents eventually, or AI, eventually giving us humans the freedom to be away from, like, screen time or whatever?
They can be, like, you you know facilitating tasks for us well for
work definitely for sure like i think that it's really going to replace the workforce and we're
going to be kind of left with nothing to do right where yeah ai is going to be doing the work and your work is to manage the AI now but I think the the concept of like you as an AI out there doing stuff is interesting as well from
like a metaverse game perspective where what if like you were a game character you are you're
like sims imagine the sims except for metaverse and way more fun and complicated where your quote unquote game is just you going to your houseverse for you or like you know freeing up your time
it's just making it more entertaining it's making having you something to go check up on
it's like you're you're you're going about your day and you see a post on social media that's from
your metaverse or your ai self talking about what's happening with them in their world, you know?
So you're like, oh, my AI is talking to, you know, Hexadize right now in the metaverse,
like about, or his AI about this topic and they're posting about it and they're tagging each other, you know?
So now it's like our AIs are tagging each other just like we are and mentioning each
other and interacting with each other which I think is really cool so now I go maybe go hang
out with Hex and us humans talk about what our AI talked about previously that already kind of
got the conversation going you know so it'd pretty interesting, I think, when we see stuff
like that happening. You know, that's funny. It's just like you and Hex talking. You're like
the parents talking about your kids and kids being AI agents. Like, that's hilarious.
Thank you for that thought. Do stick around. I do want to come back and circle back with you
and ask a question.
Deep in Nomad, I kind of like what you said about that whole analogy with VR like 10, 15 years ago and how we never really came, how we never really left that whole screen time thing.
And you talked about we're still using that screen, except now we're, or whatever you said,
using that screen except now we're um or whatever you said i'm trying to paraphrase you but now we
just we have our smartphones and we just it's just not a good it's just not a good interface
i really like i really liked what you said about that okay so the speaker panel deep end nomad the
pipe g dow rex scarlet hex and metamike i'm gonna kind of like stick on the same topic, but kind of throw in a little bit
of a tangential wrench. Let's talk about, when we talk about screen time or devices, okay, like
devices, especially wearable devices, we know that we are entering into an era where we're going to see a lot of OEMs come up with these
wearable devices where it's not clunky. AR is the future. So whether it's contact lenses AR or
glasses where we put on our face, we don't know what that's going to look like. Probably glasses
first. There's going to be so much iterations of that.
And I wish we had a neurologist or somebody neuro here, because I kind of feel like we're at the crux of where humans are starting to morph into part of like their technology or adapting to it. Because surely back in the 70s and 80s or like early 90s, our brains were not
used to constant stimulation of a certain type of visuals or music or whatever. Now we're in an era
where we are multitasking and we are totally stimulated with so many things. Like personally,
right now I have like two phones. One is over, one is here. I got this, I got that.ulated with so many things. Like personally, right now, I have like two phones.
One is over, one is here.
I got this, I got that.
There's so many feeds going on and stuff like that. How do you think, and this is an open question, so anybody could just unmute.
What do you see?
Hmm, how am I going to phrase this?
How am I going to phrase this?
Do you see any potential drawbacks from this technological era we are entering in terms of how it is affecting us as humans biologically, physiologically?
There's a question for you.
don't rush all to the mic now
Don't rush all to the mic now.
I don't see
drawbacks so much as
just
changes it's going to be different
but I see Rex unmuted and I would
gladly let Rex take this one
that's an interesting
question because I think
it has as much
benefits it has I think it has a huge potential risk.
Because particularly when we move from where it's not, when it becomes invasive from the standpoint of when we can move the contact lenses.
As great as that is, whereas less friction is better than probably putting on glasses.
I can understand based off of just putting on a,
like,
cause it's one thing to just have glasses,
but you're putting a let like,
like you're actually putting electronics over your eyes in a sense,
you know,
where it's like really on your eyeball.
So I think that would be a risk,
but also I think,
but also I think it's when the same way we become reliant on the phone,
where now we become reliant on those devices. Meaning from the standpoint of we're going to be wearing the glasses probably as much as we pull our phone out, meaning from the standpoint of we're going to be walking around where at least with the phone it's just in your pocket it's charging by your bed or it's charging you know in another room somewhere
you're going to be like you're going to have you're going to have these glasses on you know
walking around and let's say you need to like when you when you need to get something done
which more more times than not besides you pulling your phone out you're going to put
you're going to have these glasses on So when everything shifts from your phone and everything should start shifting to your glasses
It's really gonna because it's really gonna become a question just how safe it is to be using this more than
A majority of it a majority of your day
It's already a risk using your phone more than the majority of your day
more than the majority of your day.
People even saying that it's risky to even have it in your pocket. So
People are even saying that it's risky to even have it in your pocket.
So all those questions come into play,
but I really think it just really comes down to the companies that are building it,
making sure the technology is safe from a long-term perspective.
But I think it definitely carries a lot of risk,
particularly from a biological standpoint,
because we're entering a new territory where now this is going to really be really the risk of it really being more invasive than a cell
phone is really high with this particular kind of technology. I love that take, especially you
being an XR developer, I'm developing apps and programs for these wearable devices. You also,
I love that you also have that kind of like take on,
hmm, you know, this is what I'm doing.
This is how I'm making my bread and butter.
However, you kind of have that at the back of your mind,
like, hmm, what are the risks
and how are we going to navigate through this?
Hi, the pipe G Dow.
Come on and chime in.
Sure. So, thanks. So, in terms of risks, I think that
the risk is eliminating human struggle, right? So, for a human to evolve and to grow, there needs to be struggle. There needs to be challenges, physical, psychological, esoteric, energetic.
And so by trying to replace all the things that we struggle for, we maybe are limiting our human evolution, right?
Because we don't know what a human could naturally evolve to become.
And if we just think that life and existence is about automating everyone
and everything out and kind of, you know, limiting human ingenuity
and human struggle, that can be a problem.
I think there's an example of they did an experiment with some mice, right?
They put them in a cage and in an environment, closed environment.
They gave them everything they needed.
They gave them clothing, food whenever they wanted, drink whenever they wanted.
They gave them the ideal environment, everything they needed.
And what happened? The kind of males stopped defending their territory.
They then started to have gender dysphoria issues.
Can you imagine mice having gender dysphoria issues? They, you know, they started to become lazy and they actually degenerated as a kind of society of mice.
And it's like, huh, does that sound familiar?
I'm not kind of trying to say anything about any of that, but I'm just saying that when you eliminate struggle and when you eliminate that, then you're limiting growth, right?
So I think there is a danger of that if you try to eliminate the capacity
of what a human can do when put in the position, right?
So that's kind of part of my take on that.
I love that take.
I really do.
I love that you brought in the esoteric part and everything like that.
I just want to say, Deepin, I see your hand up.
Swayvery, I know you've been trying to come up, and I know you're probably driving,
and you might not have a really good connection, but I do see you, Swayvery.
I've been throwing the mic at you.
We'd really love to hear your take, but let's go on to Deepin Nomad.
I'll say a brief counterpoint.
I think the original question was whether or not
there'll be negative physical consequences
or physiological consequences
from our increasing immersion in a world of screens.
All I can say to that is that
civilization was created 12,000 years ago
when we spent 11,800 of the past 12,000 years
pushing a plow back and
forth, like dragging a mule across a plot of land to try and fertilize our farms.
Even now, I know people who have worked on cars for their entire careers and they can
barely move their arthritic joints to manipulate their phones to call people.
There are arthritic joints to manipulate their phones to call people.
I wake up most mornings.
I go to a coffee shop.
I work on a laptop.
I go back home, and I go to the gym four days a week.
I'm in pretty good shape.
I don't think the, I think, I'll say my immersion in a world of screens has only been good for my physical health.
And I think this is a good thing, not a bad thing, that we're liberated from the world of having to toil physically for a living.
You know what?
That's right.
So this whole topic here, it's really about taking accountability, right?
It doesn't matter what technology we are using.
It doesn't matter, you know matter what era we're entering in.
We are still humans with choices.
And it's really up to us to take accountability and responsibility for our humanness or our
physiological physicality.
So I love that you are a deep end nomad.
To me, that's quite into tech. and yet you work out four days a week. I think that is a really great balance. I don't know how many people here, like, I want to know if Rex works out, or Scarlett, you know, like Hexadize, do you work out and stuff like that. I know I don't. Like, transparency. I have
a lot of screen time. It's work. It's entertainment. It's research. It's just, you know, it's just,
it is what it is. And I sit in a bar stool. Like, I literally, I don't have a gaming chair.
I have a bar stool that I've been sitting in for for three years and that has really affected um ergonomically
my lower body function and that's on me that is on me so I'm glad you yeah I mean it is all about
accountability um on how we and how we use these devices or or technology how we allow it to um
not take over our lives but you know what I mean?
Like, like we just have to kind of like self-control ourselves.
Virtual X is here.
I know that he's got a lot packed in to say about this because he's kind of like in the
crux of, you know, the real world health and technology.
So we'd love to hear from you, Virtual X.
Hey, what's up morning morning gmgm what have you just made oh it's a great topic because i'm like you say i'm in the middle
of all that shenanigans and especially with the ai stuff as well, because a lot, like, for instance, specifically
with the AR or XR rather, um, people are like, well, it's just going to take over everything.
We're already becoming lazy. Um, it's going to be like WALL-E, you know, everyone's going
to be looking at screens and floating around. And I'm like, I totally get that, but there's,
like you say, it comes down to personal
accountability it's it's like so if you go on to TikTok and you look at the VR content
the majority of people are standing in a little circle in their room surrounded by
Funko Pops or what you know whatever they like swinging their arms around right and then
you look at the other side of it where there's some cats like me who are like, we go outside because you have full range of motion.
Subconsciously, you're going to go ball to the wall.
You're not going to worry about hitting your wall or your TV.
You're more worried about breaking your hand, going too crazy.
And it goes the same way with the comic books and everything.
Like, I always look at The Simpsons.
Look at comic book guy, right?
He's someone who loves comic books, loves everything about them, but does not do what the superheroes do.
And that's the thing.
Like, if you are immersed into XR, you're going to be forced to go outside.
You're going to be like, Hex, you're going to these events live.
You're doing this and that.
Like, literally, the other day, it was a milestone in my life i'm driving down the street
and there's a uh elon protest and i'm like huh well this this thought popped in my head so i
pull the car around i hop out and i start doing interviews i started doing the we are live on the
scene i have like i'm drawing all these holograms
live and stuff. And people are like, Hey, it's the VR guy. Like, and people will stop and they're
like, Oh, cool. That's awesome. And so it's kind of like how you use it. It can consume you. Like
back in the day, I definitely got the headset to just disappear from like reality. We were living
in alt space. Like all my friends were there. And now it's like I run into people in my community and they know me because I'm that guy who's like, hey, hey, you got a business?
Hey, I think this augmented reality thing is going to be popping.
Like I run into the tat artists all the time and they know when I walk in there that I can walk anywhere in that tat shop and start taking pictures of their stuff.
And they know what I'm doing and I'll be back because I'm going to do some stuff some awesome stuff with it and it's like you say back with over the reality it's like
how could I bring fitness stuff into the real world and I'm an introvert like I would not be
going outside doing any of this stuff with that I'd be just like everybody else sitting like a gamer with my headphones on sitting in a chair you know
getting the um what you guys are basically talking about is like if if we have all these
needs as humans like we need to feel accomplished we need to feel strong we need to
you know feel like all those major things that video games and XR can do for us, why wouldn't we just go turn into horrible versions of ourselves?
Well, it's quite possible, but if you flip it on the other side,
it's all about getting outside, educating, learning new types of things.
And honestly, like I say, I haven't even had time to do VR as much as I want
because the AI and the xr stuff is just
advancing so fast like by the time i'm not even fully set up to do the image lock stuff with the
over yet like i'm behind schedule on that and then they're like oh we're doing it in the builder now
i'm like live i'm like oh my goodness gracious like i'm gonna throw up i can't there's too much
stuff going on like i go into work like and they're like oh my gosh he's here i'm like yeah
yeah i gotta make money to buy stuff for you know ai and xra i'll be here for a bit you know
like hey i thought we fired you i was like no no you can't get rid of me
but that's the thing is like it'll give you skills to the point where you wake up in reality and be
like yo i i could do whatever i want because i've been learning this stuff and I'm doing it with a good intention.
But, you know, you know, I rambled.
But like at the end of the day, it turns into I get into battles with people over AI.
And then I tell them they're like, well, you're taking artists out of it.
There's no blood and sweat.
And I'm like, dude, I literally just left a chunk of my knee on the tennis court.
Blood there as well.
You can find the digital blood as well, but the real stuff's there.
So when I'm doing these motions, I'm doing stunt work for stuff I saw in fucking,
excuse me, Daredevil or Wolverine and Deadpool.
You know what I mean?
And then I can overlay that with AI.
So guess what?
Now we're bringing in the actors back.
I need actual actors. I need
actual people who can do flips. I need people who can create a set design in real time. And so we
can be like, Hey, we need to move this set over here. This rock needs to go here. Cause we're
going to turn this to a mountain. Okay, cool. Sculpt, boom, boom, boom. And now it's all
multiplayer. It's all six off. It's all XR. So you could see the world around you. So it's all multiplayer. It's all 6DOF. It's all XR. So you can see the world around you.
So it adds so much to bringing humans back in.
Because think about it.
If we all have AI, everything's going to look the same.
It's all going to be very easy to tell who's putting in the work.
So for me to be doing flips and like I have to go buy a pad to so I don't break my back when I'm doing flip
like I'm naturally doing flip attacks now because it's that it's that efficient you know so you'll
start learning like oh wait they're flipping on purpose in these movies because it actually is
efficient if you know how to do it and I did it the other day and I was like oh my goodness you
know I watched the playback and it's so cathartic to see like you expelling all this dark energy into a realm where no one gets hurt.
Before it's like you get mad at work.
You come home.
Kids, don't talk to me.
The wife.
Now you put on your headset, you pop a couple of heads off.
You're like, all right, who wants dino nuggets?
You know what I mean?
You're ready to rock.
But much love, guys.
Like this, like I say say this group has changed my life
but in insane ways like i could walk i left my family to i left the village to come back with
some knowledge because i knew ultron was coming i knew robots and everything was coming ain't nobody
got no jobs and i like i could walk i feel like i'm walking out of the jungle with a backpack
full of tools and in a connection to friends globally like bro we're
the avengers i'm sorry you can't tell me nothing else much love guys it's always great to hear
your take and speaking of there's a new um movie by marvel and supposedly the adventures are no
longer adventures in this new new group coming on and i can't wait to see that but uh wow that
was a weird tangent but thunder virtual. Thunderbolts.
Let's go.
Yes.
Yes.
Totally.
Totally.
Man, I think you're redefining or you are defining extreme XR.
I don't even know.
I really don't.
Alicorn.
You know, it's so good to see you, Alicorn. I know you've been a speaker in our spaces early on, and it's so good to have you back.
I know you've been patiently waiting.
What have you to say?
Hey, guys.
Just want to say thank you for having me up.
Definitely missed Tech Tuesdays.
Huge fan.
Huge fan of all of you individually and collectively.
Just a quick recap, you know, I think that, you know,
virtual hit it the nail on the head as always, you know,
his perception is from the ground up.
So, you know, you can really gravitate
to what he's alluding to.
But, you know, the time and space that we're in
is unprecedented, right? Where you're seeing the emergence of
technology, you're seeing it scale even faster, faster cycles
than before. I'll use an analogy like
video games, since everyone's into Web3 and stuff. So
in video games, you know, you saw
how if you played Nintendo 64, you needed four of your friends or three of your friends, you know, in the same room to play four player games, a four player match, you know.
And then we saw the emergence of the online, you know, match playing, right.
And COD really taking that to a whole nother level with their lobby matchmaking
and how that went on to Fortnite and so forth and so on. So what we're seeing right now is
a hyperscale version of that. This is the reason why every time I come on, I try to elaborate to
you guys that collectively you guys have the whole piece. And if you guys were to come together to create one company,
you guys would be a decade ahead of everyone. I say that because my company, we're an enterprise company. So what that means is we do B2B, we do Fortune 500 companies, we try to do partnerships,
do partnerships, IP licensing for AI and quantum. And what we're seeing in the field is a huge
uptake in people understanding that automation is the new frontier, right? And how you're starting
to see if you're mapping a location, you're starting to see, like Virtua said, how the
technology every week or every month has changed. And that's because you have more and more people having access to it and understanding
that you don't need a huge budget to get things accomplished. Now, with that being said,
you know, my company is working from the future backwards. So we're trying to connect everyone to
how things are going to go, but it's very difficult because it's hard to balance IP management and finding the sweet spot where people can handle what we're about to give them.
I think Steve Jobs did a really good job at being able to present tools or products to the consumer base in a way where it's digestible.
And so we're strategically working on that while we consult others who have a better job or handle
on that. But you guys are all headed in the right direction. It's just all about understanding how
quickly the skills and how quickly automation plays into all of your business models
over the reality. So you're going to be dealing with technology at a faster rate because you're
more of a developer. You're more of an architect of a framework, right? So all the tools that you
end up developing, let's say in the next seven seven months is going to be the equivalent to a whole year or a year and a half worth of work.
Just just because, you know, we're hitting that that curve.
So the curve is going straight and then you're starting to see that arch going towards the up so that in that elbow is a lot of nuances of more deep seeks, more of the companies like Mantis that comes out.
It becomes more and more prevalent.
But I think if you guys strategically focus on what your strengths are
and try to automate that, I think you'll hit the sweet spot.
So just to give you insight to the future,
you know, it's modern and then it skips really quickly
to shit that makes you say oh i knew that was possible to like holy shit we're really at this
this this you know benchmark in society uh just on the only downside that i see is how you uh how
i'm inferencing um social media now how people engage with content and other people.
If you're a good person, man, I'd love to be around you.
I would love to learn from you.
But the toxic people are going to make it a lot difficult
for us to be as free as we are now.
We're going to really long for this amount of freedom
that we have to create right now
because laws and regulations come from those who push too far or use it in malicious ways.
So, you know, being the leader of your own team that is developing and using this technology, my only word of advice is, you know, lead from a place of good and wanting to get us there safely so that everybody benefits in a global way.
But yeah, man, I'm always excited to be around you guys. You guys always teach me something.
Well, thanks for sharing that. I love how when we come together in these spaces and we get,
obviously, different takes and insights from different people, it's always such a great
learning experience for me,
and it opens up my mind to a lot of things.
So we're nearing up the top of the hour.
You know what?
I really want to keep it to an hour, maybe a few minutes over.
I really appreciate the time that you guys give,
especially this pop-up speaker space.
Thank you so, so much, Deepin Nomad, Scarlett, Rex,
for just popping up and Hexadize and Metamike were taking on the mic. And Virtual X and Alicorn for putting in your
contribution. Swayvray, still see, we would have loved to hear from you. But I know, you know,
it's a connection thing. Maybe you can DM me and tell me what you wanted to say.
You know what? I wish this could
go longer because each and every one of you have so much to bring. I could, you know, the Pipe G
Dow, you, this is the first time we're hearing from you and definitely there's a lot to unpack.
I'm pretty sure you have a lot to unpack. I would love to be a fly in the wall with you and Deepin
Nomad talking. I feel like there's some kind of like synergy there. Yes and no, and maybe not,
but there's a good balance of maybe, um, not disagreement, but just different takes. I always,
I would love to also be a fly in the wall with Scarlett is in these conversations as well,
because not only from a, yes, we do, we do need a female perspective, not only from a
female perspective, but she is so deep into spatial computing and technology and being a futurist
that she brings so much to that table. So I would really love these conversations to continue.
Virtual X, as always, you, you, you, you do you, sir. You do you.
That's all I can say.
Rex, I know that you,
I hope you're vibe coding right now,
like while you're in here.
I hope you're just like, you know,
plugging away at creating stuff.
But I really appreciate your time.
And of course, Hexadize and Alicorn.
The Pipe G Dow.
What I was going to say was,
I'm going to give each speaker time, like last words to say.
So let's start with the pipe GDAO since you have your hand up.
Sure. Thanks for letting me speak.
And yeah, it's got a really, really great space, lots of synergy and stuff.
And yeah, excellent.
So I just wanted to kind of just say that, listen, I think, you know, I'm a techie just as everyone else is, but I think we forget where the power is, right?
It's not the blockchain.
It's not the AR.
It's not the tech.
It's not the robotics that has the power.
It's us, the human beings that are creating and using the stuff.
So you are the source.
Yeah, you are the source. You are the source
everything.
And just kind of using an analogy
from DC Comics, there's the source
wall, Dark Side, and
High Father
and all that, and they're accessing the source wall
to get their power.
But they're leeches.
So let's not leech off technology
too much. Let's not leech off all this stuff and realize that we are the source of the power
that builds and creates everything.
Wow, that was almost perfect. Like, I love that. I love, I totally love that. Absolutely. Thank you
for bringing us back to center and reminding us that we have the power within
and the source really starts from us.
Thank you so much for that.
You guys, please follow the speakers.
Speakers, can you please follow me
so that I can DM you
and it's easier for me to DM you
and continue on these conversations.
I'm just saying.
The Pipe G Doubt doubt totally love what you said.
Rex, I'm going to go to Rex and what do you have any last words?
He's vibe coding.
Yeah, actually I was getting ready to head out to record on the glasses.
But what I was going to say was that I agree. Let's keep the human
element in this with augmented virtual reality and as well as artificial intelligence. Let's
keep the human element in play because the people who are going to be using it are people.
It's not going to be robots. It's not going to be avatars. It's going to be people. And
I think that if we think about that as creators, developers, and as well as influencers, where we meet the people where they are with this technology, this technology will go a long way.
But if we take them out of the equation and just make it super tech and, you know, not pro-human, I think that's where we're going to lose people.
So my last words is let's innovate, but also keep it human.
That should be on a T-shirt.
I love that.
Yeah, go out there, do your recording, I guess, in Times Square.
Show us what you got and post it.
I know you know.
And let's go with it.
Thank you so much for your time.
I'm going to go with, let's see, do, do, do, do, do.
Let's hear from Deepin Nomad, then we'll go to Scarlett.
Okay, Deepin Nomad, got any last words?
I will use my last words to, if it's okay, I'm going to plug a crypto project, if that's appropriate.
The project is called Over the Reality.
It's an AR D-Pen, and some of you may have heard of it.
What I think is so cool about Over the Reality
is that it's an augmented reality program
that requires you to go outside to contribute
to creating a digital replica of the world around us.
What I think is so cool about that
is that we've just spent the past hour
talking about the issue of being beyond the screen, trying to get beyond the screen. What I think is so cool about that is that we've just spent the past hour talking about the issue of being beyond the screen, trying to get beyond the screen. What I think is so cool
about this is that in order to create this replica of the world, we have to go outside in order to
do it. Ironically, participating in this augmented reality is actually putting us closer in touch
with reality itself. The only way out is through. Thank you. That's a clip. So Rex did a t-shirt. That's a t-shirt. You actually did a
nice soundbite that definitely I should share with the co-founders. Love that take for Over
the Reality. Thank you for shilling Over the Reality. The team really, really appreciates that.
Scarlett, how about you?
I don't know, you're still in Wynwood.
You got any last words before we close out the space?
Yeah, no, I'm still here in Wynwood.
I'm going to talk a little bit about my mantra.
And two, for those who know me, I do a lot of events.
My mantra is everything in moderation, including technology, so you don't become too cold dependent on it.
So that's my mantra.
And two announcements.
So this Saturday, I'm a guest speaker at Yuri's Night.
Those who don't know, that's the largest space tech party in the world.
It's actually happening here at Emma Riddle's north of Cape Canaveral.
And so if you're in Florida, PM me and I'll get free tickets.
The other events that I'm also hosting is Convergence, which is University of Florida.
That's under the XR department.
And the students
are doing a cool showcasing of the arts I'm very proud to say University of Florida has the most
women developers so come and support women in those fields so if you're in Florida DM me so
I'll give that information to DJFM so she can share it as well. And yeah, and definitely follow us. You know, we also do other
fun events. You know, just kind of give it more perspective from a creator standpoint,
how we artists are becoming adoption to evangelists to this technology so so yes
thanks so much carlet i'm actually very jelly number one you're in miami um the weather must
be fantastic and you're going to all these amazing tech events it's fantastic um deep
in nomad deep in nomad is in florida so you guys need to kind of like connect deep in nomad connect
with scarlet um she can get you in with some tickets and definitely find out synergies there.
Scarlett, thank you so much.
Enjoy Wynwood.
Enjoy Miami, the Miami vibes.
Hopefully we'll get to see each other again soon at BitBasil.
Yeah, totally jelly.
Totally, totally.
All right.
Let's hear from...
Let's hear from Hex.
Then we'll hear from Metamike.
Do everything Deepin and Scarlet and Alicorn and Rex and all. I mean, come on now. There's been so much stuff here. Don't listen to me. In fact, just go repeat this space so that you can hear all of it twice
because I don't think you soaked it in the first time. I didn't. I've got to listen to it again.
Oh my God, Hex. You're crazy. Crazy, my brother. Thank you for your last words.
You know what? I said I was going to ask you a question and i didn't because for time but
we'll bring but that's neither here nor there thank you so much for your time and popping in
metamike you got any last words sir um yeah just go out there and explore and kind of tweak a
fiddle around with all this ai don't't be scared of it. Jump into it.
And if you need help, you can find me and I'll probably be hanging out on Spatial
and I can give you a hand
if you're not comfortable
trying to get into this stuff
because we all should know it
and embrace it.
But yeah, great show, everybody.
Thanks, Metamite.
Yeah, you're totally there.
You're always on on
spatial uh we'll go to virtual x and then we'll we'll go with alicorn to close it off
um just won't say just keep building keep keep grinding um this it's a gnarly time in human
history but like like we say like we're in a great position. And just the fact that we know how to even use any of this is gnarly for all of our bloodlines.
Like we're, people will look back at us and be like, yo, you guys did it, you know.
So this is big stuff.
Just keep creating.
And the human aspect will always, always be there if you put it there.
And that stuff will always rise to the top.
So I'm not worried about anybody using the AI because they're not going to use it like we do. So and we could teach them rise to the top so i'm not worried about anybody using the ai
because they're not going to use it like we do so and we we could teach them how to do it right so
much love guys there you go much love okay alicorn close it down sir yeah um it's just
it's fun to be alive right now you know know, uh, every day is something new, a new idea, a new,
you know, way to look at something is just wondrous as far as just being able to geek out
on things that you love and enjoy and possibly make money off of, um, and help others and make
changes. You know, it's, it's like, we all have our little imprint on this. And I think in the next
five years, we'll look back like, damn, we were really a part of something crazy, you know, and
it started out small and grew into something major, you know, so just keep going and, you know,
defy the odds for sure. We're all definitely defying the odds. You guys were at the beginning of the Easter long
weekend. So if you don't celebrate or you do whatever, if you're into bunnies, well, no,
not playbook. Anyway, if you're into chocolate bunnies and Easter eggs and all that, enjoy your
time. Have, I know, have a great Easter long weekend. I know Hexadize is going to be busy with his kids doing
Easter stuff, I'm pretty sure.
Again, thank you.
The Pipe G Dow, so glad
you're here. Metamike, Deepin Nomad,
Hexadize, Virtual X,
Scarlet, Alicorn,
thank you. And shout out
to the listeners down there.
I see you, K-Bot, Kush, TechMental,
Brover, I see you, Swayvery,
and Mr. AK. I know Ira popped
in, and who else popped in?
And Vanessa, and a whole bunch of other people.
So great to have you here. Enjoy the
rest of your day, and have a great Easter
long weekend, guys. Okay, we're going to sign
out soon. Bye-bye. Thank you, everyone, for
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