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Designing the Future: DePIN, AI, & the Race to Digitize the Real World
Recorded: May 29, 2025 Duration: 1:35:00Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion, Over the Reality unveiled its ambitious project, Map to Earn, aimed at creating the largest detailed 3D maps on-chain. The conversation highlighted strategic partnerships, innovative technologies, and emerging trends in the crypto space, emphasizing the growing importance of real-time data collection and AI integration in urban planning and transportation.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Hi. so
and I'm going to go to the next video. All right. I'm going to go ahead and do it. It's I All right, all right.
I am stopping this little intro thing here.
Hello, everyone.
Welcome to the weekly
Over the Reality X-Space.
We are designing the future
and we have a lot of panel speakers
over the past few months
helping building out the future
and letting us know about their projects
and stuff like that.
So we pretty much have a packed,
what do you call that? A packed panel speaker, packed panel speakers. And we're kind of waiting for them to
slowly saunter into the space. I know that, wow, there are so many spaces talking about our favorite
topic, D-PIN, AI, RWA, and so many other things. So I know we
have a lot of speakers coming from that. I do want to remind everyone to please do share out the space
and yeah, share it out with the community. And like, let's see where this goes. Oops,
let me just see. The one thing about having a big panel speaker group is remembering who the speakers are
and who you let up. It's crazy. So, okay, I'm letting up. Let me see. So we have Matthew.
All right. Hey, Matt. We have King Snooch. Snooch. Sorry. King Snooch. King Snooch. I love that. And then we also have IFISCO.
IFISCO. And if I'm botching your name, apologies, but I'm sure I'm going to be learning about that.
I got a FESCO. It's a FESCO.
Yay. Wait a minute. Let me do this volume up here.
All right. So today's space is we were talking about D-PIN, which the topic we all love, AI and the race to digitize the real world.
And I was thinking about, is there really a race to digitize the real world? Is that what's really happening? Or did I kind of like jump the gun?
But I kind of feel like, no, there really is a race to digitize the real world. And the reason being is because we know that physical AI is here.
It is here to stay.
It is our future.
And you know what?
We just have to build for it.
We have to build for it.
And there's so many moving parts.
There are even moving parts that we don't know what the moving parts need to be. And that's what's so great about these types of spaces. We have different types of deep end projects. When you throw AI into the mix, it's like, it's the wild, wild west. I always love saying that. And as with all things, as with history, you know that even in technology,
there's always times in technology, what do you call that, historical technology,
where it's become a wild, wild west, like the dot-com era and whatnot,
and it's for sure always irons out.
Now, let me get my questions out.
I do have questions, guys. Let me just getons out. Now, let me get my questions out. I do have questions, guys. Let me just get
them out. And excuse my voice. It doesn't matter. Who cares about my voice? All right. So, I'd like
to welcome the speaker. We have three right now out of our, what, six, seven? I know people are
coming up on here. And I'd like to do a shout out to ex-cohost. Thanks for joining in.
Thanks for also sharing out the space a few days ago.
I really appreciate that.
Love the platform ex-cohost.
You make it so easy to actually host spaces and join spaces.
So thank you so, so much for that and for the ex-cohost team.
Okay, let's get started.
Okay.
So with over the reality, okay, of course I'm
going to plug in over the reality. Hello. Over the reality, we are set out to be the largest
detail, to create and have the largest detailed 3D maps on chain. And that is our deep-in project
called Map to Earn. We know that there are other
Deepin projects that are doing the same thing, mapping the world. There's Hive Mapper. There's
so many mapping types of projects out there. And I think we think it's fantastic. But the one thing
that sets apart over the reality is we don't use the car. Our community, literally, we need people's feet.
We need people's boots or Adidas or whatever on the ground
and downloading our app and 3D mapping the world.
So that's the difference between a lot of these 3D projects.
Our 3D Deepin project, Map2Earn, is we need a community or an army of people to actually
walk around and 3D map using their smartphones in our app.
So that's the thing.
I'm just going to get that out of the way.
And the great thing, okay, so I'm not going to get that out of the way yet.
The great thing about it is we use a visual positioning system, which, by the way, if
you follow over the reality and you look at one of our latest posts, we just filed a patent for a visual positioning system, which I think is fantastic.
Why is that so important?
It's so important because we need detailed 3D maps, guys.
We need detailed 3D data to help build out this physical AI infrastructure that's happening.
And I'm talking way too much, but I just wanted to kind of like set the tone and set the pace.
Of course, this is not all about over the reality.
This is about D-PIN and AI and really digitizing the real world and how are we going to do that
with all our different types of projects.
So with that said, where the heck is my questions okay here's the question i see matthew out there
you know what king king snooch i'm just gonna high five you start go all right you you're getting me
pretty excited and pumped up about this because a good friend of mine, William, he talks about Silencio, which is kind of doing a similar thing where, you know, people are going around boots on the ground and tracking sounds.
And now this is like this takes Google Maps to a whole nother level, right? have the people who drive around in those cars, but they're only getting the footage from the street,
where it sounds like what over the reality is doing is, you know, you could go in the woods,
you could go on mountain climbs, you could go out in the, you know, out in the wild,
and you can get this footage. All these people who go camping all over the place,
all over the place, you know, somebody that walks the Grand Canyon, somebody that goes on a road trip,
you know, somebody that walks the Grand Canyon, somebody that goes on a road trip,
every time they stop on the side of the road, they could be taking pictures that is now creating
actual digital maps. And honestly, I just got to say, I'm getting kind of pumped up about this.
Can't wait to hear about it. Get pumped up, get pumped up. Exactly. But I'm just going to say
something. If anybody does go watch the Grand Canyon and start 3D mapping, please be careful. It's beautiful, but just be careful mapping 3D detailed mapping data. And obviously, the world, to cover the world is a huge feat.
It is not feasible.
So the way we tackle it is we elicit or we encourage our community of mappers and our new community of mappers to 3D map high value lands and lands that are represented in the OpenStreetMap.
And when you download the app, you will see that.
So let's be clear.
In order to join over the realities deep in map to earn,
there are definitely lands that have rewards.
That doesn't mean you can't map like your backyard.
That doesn't mean you can't map like, you know,
the park or the area of the beach where you got proposed to.
You can do that.
But that is not part of the Map2Earn Deepin Project.
In order to join over as Deepin Map2Earn, you need to, it'll say in the app which lands have rewards.
So just wanted to say that.
But it is exciting, King Snooch.
It really is.
It makes perfect sense for that, Carmen, in that sense,
because imagine, you know, the 405 freeway in Los Angeles
has a hundred or a million cars that go over it a day, right?
I mean, albeit at a very, very slow pace due to traffic.
But, you know, you don't really need everybody to go over there
and map out the same place that's been mapped 10,000 times.
But if you're in some niche, you know, back road that gets to somewhere else, like in Big Bear,
I don't know where you guys are based in the States, but, you know, so if you're like a back
road that goes around to another side towards, you know, a ski resort, that's something that
not a lot of cars might go there and you need, you actually need to get that map. So that would
carry higher fees. I mean, it's, it's effectively.
Simple supply and demand.
You have a million cars going over one place to map it out.
You don't have a demand in that area to map it as much.
If it's a less demand street that you guys also need, it's actually almost
inverse supply and demand in a way, but if you guys have a need for, uh, a road
to be mapped, then there would be a higher price on that one.
Yeah. I love that. Thank you for like submitting that. Absolutely. That, that,
that is so true. Um, it's, it's, it's really real estate, right? Location, location, location. That's,
that's how we're, we're tackling it. Um, but yeah, I'm so glad to have you back on here.
Uh, we have, is this a speaker? Well, you know what? I just gotta i just gotta say like i i know you like have a topic and
like an agenda for this space but damn i want to know more about this like i want to know what
what's the plans for the the 3d mapping like what what is the use case for it who is the the client
that is looking for you know the 3d mapping is it is it 3d mapping that like Realty is looking for that, you know, big companies want to
go build like a subdivision and they want actual mapping of the woods? Like, is it cities, you know,
like, is it people that are looking for, you know, geo mapping for windmill farms or solar plants?
Like, there's so many questions that I have about this. I know you
have like an agenda, but I want to know more about it.
Damn.
King Snooch, I got to add in onto what you just said there because A, you know, Carmen,
thank you for having us back. But B, I totally agree. When I jumped in this space a little bit
late after a meeting and I thought you guys were talking about HiveMapper, right? And so I was,
and then I heard you were talking about it and talking about it.
Then I went to your profile and I opened up the links
and now I'm diving into it.
To agree with King Snooch, there's an agenda to the space,
but I'm with him.
I got to learn more.
Let's get into it for a bit.
Hey, agendas can change.
This is just how it is.
And you know what? This is just how it is. And you know what?
This is all a strategic plan.
Of course, this is all a strategic plan when we talk about deep in AI.
So here's the thing with over the reality.
God, I was going to say something, but I completely forgot.
So with over the reality, okay, let's talk about physical AI.
Okay, let's talk about physical AI.
We know that this year says NVIDIA's CEO, I think,
well, it was the first time that I heard of physical AI,
and he was talking about that, and we know that's coming.
So who are you?
So King Snooch, when you talked about the business use cases currently,
OverTheReality has partnered with Natix Network,
and Natix Network is similar to
Hive Mapper. They have their own hardware that you can install, and they pretty much install it in
their cars or dash cam. And then they kind of 3D map high traffic areas or streets and stuff like that. And that's important. Deep in projects where you are mapping like traffic areas,
that is very important for transportation globally, nationally.
And it's also very important for collecting urban planning data.
But with over the reality, you have your phone. The smartphone is very ubiquitous.
Everybody has a smartphone, more or less. There are more smartphones out there than hardware
devices that HiveMapper, I think it's called Beehive or something, that HiveMapper offers
and stuff like that.
So that's one thing that's so great about Over the Reality is everybody has a smartphone.
They just download the app iOS or Android.
And the good thing is we also kind of like promote fitness and going out there and touching grass.
And the thing that Over the Reality is doing is we need detailed 3D maps of physical locations.
It's one thing to drive around and capture traffic data or, oh, here's a street, here's a highway.
That's great.
Google's been doing it.
Is Google on chain?
Niantic's been kind of doing it.
They kind of cheated us with their Pokemon Go.
But is it on-chain?
No, not yet.
I'm not sure.
But with Over the Reality's visual positioning system, because we are collecting detailed 3D maps of high-value locations, and we're talking about, like, cities.
We're talking about, like,'re talking about where things matter.
So here's the use case.
The use case is micromobility companies.
I didn't know it was such a thing, but we all know micromobility companies.
What are they?
They are e-scooters.
They are e-scooters. They are e-bikes. We have a lot of cities globally that have projects where e-bikes
and e-scooters are all over. Now, did you know that e-bikes and e-scooter companies, they get
fined from the city if their, I guess, their, what do you call it, their e-scooters or e-bikes are not returned in a certain way.
So the business use case for what Over is doing with Natix right now is we are partnering
with these micro-mobility companies.
I think there's one in London and a few in Europe and some of the United States where
they are taking these 3D detailed maps and saying, no, city, you don't have
to fine us $1,000 for whatever because this got returned a certain way. King Snooch, high five.
Yeah. So it's ironic that you're bringing this up because I just recently used these e-scooters for
the first time down in Atlanta. And I'd never used one before. And it
was kind of wild because it uses geolocation. And if you go to certain areas on the map, right,
you put your phone on there, right. And you can watch in real time. If you go into certain areas,
it automatically slows down the speed of the e-scooter. Like you, it drops the speed. You
can't go fast. Right. And then on top of that if you go
to certain locations that are blocked out on the map it shuts down the motor on it and you cannot
go and what it requires you to do right because it's going to keep charging you for the time
is when you park the scooter you have to take a picture of it where it's at you have to snap a
picture of the scooter where you parked it and
what it's doing is it's combining that with the geolocation so that when you park the scooter
for example like what you're saying with the city finding you you have to park it in an area that's
not blocked off on the map and then take a picture of it what i'm kind of wondering is because they're snapping these photos of the scooters, what if there was a way for over the reality to connect with them, get those photos and implement them into the 3D mapping that you guys are using?
They're already taking the pictures.
Maybe there's a way to tie both companies together.
You know what?
This is perfect synergy.
I love that.
We're heading into the summer months.
What is this?
We're in May now.
Wait, January, February, March, April, May, June.
Okay, we're still in the second quarter.
No, I love that.
And that's exactly, it's kind of like over the reality is kind of doing that.
doing that. So they're literally, yeah. So when these micro mobility companies that are using
So they're literally, yeah.
our data and their customers are snapping pictures, they are kind of like those pictures
are part of, I don't know, are part of the data, I guess. But I need to like dive deep more into that with the dev team.
Our dev team, I don't know, they're insane, our dev team.
They're always coming up with new features and stuff like that.
And unfortunately, I don't have like hands-on, not hands-on,
but like direct communication with the dev team, although I can.
So if you don't know, over the reality, our HQ is in Italy.
Our HQ is in Udine, Italy.
So, and I'm in Canada.
So I'm definitely happy to be part of the team
where we can reach out to people in this time zone.
But just so you know, our dev team is in Italy. We have a brick and
mortar legit office. I always say Over the Reality is a Web3 company, but operates in Web2. And I
love that. But this is so exciting. Absolutely. I want to welcome Pipe G. Dow, Batsy and Matthew.
But I'm so glad that we're having this opportunity to really dive deep into Over the Realities Deepin.
Because when we started these spaces designing the future, it was always about bringing in projects and to discuss about Deepin, AI, real world assets and stuff like that.
But it was like, but you guys, you are here in the over the reality space.
Can you just kind of like take a look at what we do?
I'm not a shiller.
Like I'm not a DJ and crypto shiller for sure.
But I'm so glad that there's in this space,
there's this opportunity to like,
you guys are really like, oh my God, over the reality.
What the hell?
Like you guys, you're a sleeping child.
We are, we really are. That's why
I'm so excited about, excuse me, the future
of what is going on
with my voice. You guys, I'm just going to
kind of like mute and drink water. Hold on.
Stop smoking shisha during
the Twitter speech. Right?
Something stuck in your throat there?
Okay.
So here's the thing.
I'm in a weird position where my throat is kind of like, I'm not even going to say.
That just sounded really, really weird.
Anyway, yes, there's an... No, did he?
Yeah, it's Carmen.
I know.
Shush.
So we are designing the future, everyone.
And it's all about D-Pin.
I was just in a space by, what's it called?
Flux Network.
And they were talking about,
they were talking about,
is crypto 2D gen for D-Pin?
Can you imagine that?
I was just in a space called,
is crypto 2D gen for D-Pin?
And I love their topics. but that's besides the point.
Let's get on track.
There is a race to digitize the real world.
There really is.
And over the reality is part of that, along with Hive Mapper and all these other projects
that are collecting data with our physical surroundings.
The reason why there is a race is because we need that.
We need the data if we're going to build out.
You guys, the robots are here.
The robots are coming.
They're here.
And I'm not talking about humanoid robots.
I'm talking about autonomous, self-driving, whatever.
You know, there are so many projects coming out of China
and stuff like that that are going to penetrate
the way we, I guess, the way we integrate
with our physical environment.
So in order for that to happen,
we need to have these data sets and these detailed 3D maps. We need that.
So this is why this topic, a race to digitize the real world, is so close to my heart personally,
like Carmen's, because we're building out the future. We absolutely are. Now, I know Matthew's there and he is very much involved in real estate. And he definitely, I know Matt, I don't know if this is true, but when it comes to real estate and real world assets and stuff like that, you have such a passion for it and you have a belief in how that's going to roll out.
in how that's going to roll out.
But I do want to say,
do you know that a real-world asset is also a 3D map?
People don't really realize that.
They think real-world assets have to be like a contract
or, you know, like a real estate license or whatever that is.
But think about it, guys.
Think about it.
A real-world asset is also a physical geolocation where you collect data and that can be used in so many use cases.
I was thinking about this last night about D-PIN and about 3D mapping.
Like this whole decentralized physical infrastructure network, we don't even know the power of it.
Like I was thinking about like what does it mean for urban planning? What does that mean for like
traffic data and foot data? What does that mean for healthcare? Like there are hospitals, like
I'm, my mind was just blown about this just D-PIN in general, not 3D mapping. Just what D-PIN and AI can do
for all these, what do you call it, like verticals, like healthcare, education, urban planning,
law enforcement, first responders. I don't even know, like I kind of want to set up a company for
like first responders or law enforcement where there sure there's a deep end project for law
enforcement, not just locally, nationally, but I don't know. I better just shut up. Matthew, high
five. Super interesting that you mentioned that. First, I'd like to preface that I've just been
sitting on the over app and I am customizing my avatar.
Gave him a little polo and put my face on there.
And just exploring all of the places that have been mapped so far and seeing what's local to me.
Because again, I have so much travel coming up.
I could be mapping half the world, to be honest, with my little avatar.
It's a little goofy looking, but lots
of fun. Now on the topic of D-Pin for first responders, I actually have a podcast episode
that is going to be recorded with a company that has not included a Web3 portion, but
they are mapping the world for first responders. And the way that they're rolling this out is if you take a facility like a school or a hospital,
anything in which there's probably going to be a lot of people and you would want,
and maybe it's a large complex area, lots of hallways, lots of rooms.
How do you navigate this?
And what they want to allow is that in the event of hallways, lots of rooms. How do you navigate this? And what they want to allow
is that in the event of an emergency, and you have a lot of people that need to evacuate,
maybe it's an active shooter situation, perhaps it's a fire. They use a combination of artificial
intelligence, which recognizes where the threat in whatever capacity is located within this building that has been mapped out.
And then with a collection of sound, so like using audio clues or cues, I guess,
to help people navigate and lights and signs, it will proactively direct people around the facility so that they can safely move out.
And it's pulling real-time information, like what part of the building has been compromised,
and where are the staircases, what doors might be shut at that time, and just sort of creating that
assisted escape plan.
So I thought that was really interesting.
I'm looking forward to interviewing him and his team
and seeing where they are.
I suppose there could be some sort of incentive
for people who map out a building like that
or any public space, to be honest.
You know, I think about events venues.
I'm always going there. And the maps
that they provide are usually terrible. It's just like, where am I? Where do I go? And if you could
get people to map on behalf of the venue, and scope it out. And so I'm thinking, how do I get
over to section CA, where this activity is going on?
And I can like drop a pin as if it were Google Maps, except you can't expect the Google team to be there.
So you use the people who are already there and they've scanned it proactively and maybe within the last 15 minutes.
So it's not like the empty venue space.
It's the actual decorated fluffed up venue space where there's going to be all the exhibition whatnot and then i can go navigate that so i i think the use cases are endless and over the
reality you guys deserve to talk about yourselves for this whole thing just because now that i'm
sinking my teeth in it's really exciting that, that's, yeah.
Like this whole first responder, this whole event venue navigation, that is so important.
It really is.
And I just was thinking about it last night.
Like what are all the use cases?
Like we're just talking about Web3.
We're talking about 3D mapping and stuff like that.
But yeah, 3D mapping is important. But it's gonna mean, it's gonna, it's a game,
I hate the word game changer,
but it really is a game changer for first responder teams
and all that.
Maverick, high five.
Hey, yeah, I mean, when it comes to things like fires,
like in LA could definitely help.
We can get like real time data of where the fires are,
who's evacuated where, what's burning down, et cetera. Especially if you can do things like drones in order to
kind of like map out that real time data when it comes to like, uh, you know, active shooter
situations, like I have a lot to say about this. Um, as someone who used to be an airborne ranger, it's a very dynamic situation
that still is just not, the technology is not there to do a lot of this stuff.
You can have, there is technology out there with little receptor antennas, but it's usually like Humvee mounted stuff that can
like detect, very few handheld devices, but you can detect or triangulate really where
shooting is coming, like where the source of fire is inside a building can almost be
close to impossible.
But when it's, when you're, I mean, no one's going to be sitting there with like their
camera on the shooter and being like, well, he's here and live streaming.
No, no, no, no.
In that case, that's where they're using audio.
And this gentleman, he's been on enforcement for 15 years.
there needs to be some way to safely and accurately identify where a potential threat is and help
people navigate away from that. Yeah. But until, until phones carry like multiple microphones
that are positioned. Well, yeah, I guess in that case, it's not the individual devices. So maybe
it's not particularly relevant, iot for sure yeah if
there's iot in some case like i mean if you put microphones throughout if you get a hardwire build
it's really scary we even have to discuss this if you think about it right i mean like if we can
like hardwire microphones to locate sources of of uh of of a fire not not like uh um conflagration
but of like gunfire inside buildings it's a little scary to even have that
kind of discussion of like, are we going to mandate every new building has microphones to
pinpoint sources of fire inside a building? Just insane to think about, but that's the state of the
United States at the moment. And the state of the union is not in a great place, but IOT for sure.
Yeah, that can definitely change. i mean matthew we were talking
last time on like augmented reality and i definitely see stuff like that and triangulation
and iot completely revolutionizing um ground operations that that is going to be like one of
the number one thing applications i said it last time in the last space i think it was like it's going to revolutionize like um fighting forces and porn augmented reality not that not that we need like
to you know uh incentivize like the you know not having kids any more than it already is today
oh my god this topic is just like i love it i love how the space is. You guys are welcoming Super Bowl 2025 and we're welcoming all we know
him, William. Hey, William. I was just talking about your Flux Network space. What is it? It's
Crypto2DGen4DPIN. And I really love that. William, thank you so much for joining. And
I'd love to hear from you in this space. how are you i'm good i'm good i was
oh my god uh geez mark always interrupting me um yeah i did get your dm mark thank you for letting
me know um no but yeah i uh oh yeah it was a really really fascinating space i um i've always
you know i try to um keep the conversation interesting, and I try to just take different perspectives
and just kind of pick brains, and you get really good takes from people and get their
perspectives on things.
So I just want to say I appreciate you for coming, because I really did enjoy your perspective
and your take.
But yeah, I'm happy to be here.
This is a, I mean, what's the topic for today?
I see the, what is it?
Deepin AI in the race to digitize the real world.
Okay.
We can run with this.
All right.
Run with it.
Run with it.
You know, when I get invited to your spaces, whether it's Daba or Flux, I always like talking at the end.
You have such a panel of speakers that are so above and beyond my, like, the stuff that they say.
And I'm like, I don't know what i'm gonna contribute to this
space so i loved i love having everybody else talk and then i'll say hmm what can i say that
is not so technical and all that stuff and let me just like slide this in um so but the vision's
there the vision's there and again your perspective is there and that's that's why we enjoy having you
on uh because i like to have a mix of people that are technical,
but also people that can convey their passion very well
through a microphone.
And you are one of those people.
So I just want to say kudos to you again.
Oh, well, thank you.
Definitely have passion for the microphone.
Oh, yeah.
So we are definitely talking about designing the future.
Matthew, stop laughing.
We're definitely talking about designing the future
and the race that digitizes real world.
And what that really means, William,
is we are talking about physical AI.
Physical AI is here and we are building,
how are we gonna build out that platform
over the physical world?
And the way we're building it out
and particularly with over the reality
is we are our deep in Project, Map to Earn.
We have a community or army of 3D mappers.
They take their smartphones, they download the app,
and they literally walk around and they 3D map
high-valued lands and lands that are in the OpenStreetMap.
Why that is so important is because it's one thing for Hive Mapper
and a bunch of other mapping deep-in projects to have hardware in their car
and go around and map streets and transportation avenues and stuff like that.
That is needed. That is important.
But what is really important is we need detailed 3D maps of physical locations.
And that's where over the reality comes in. And we just recently filed a visual positioning
system patent. So we're really excited about that. But that is how over the reality is
contributing to digitizing the real world, because we really need detailed 3D maps of
physical geolocations in order for this to work, in order for business use cases like
micro-mobility companies like e-scooters and e-bikes to function and to cut down on their
fines for cities. And we're just talking about this with Matthew.
There's so many implications.
There's so many things happening with Deepin
that we don't even know what we don't know.
And I think we were touching upon first responders
and stuff like that.
And Maverick was talking about, I don't know,
like the army and guns and stuff like that,
which, by the way, I love.
So somebody had their hand up first high five
i'm gonna go with king snooch and then we'll go with um william hey king snooch high five
yeah what's good what's good so i i just gotta say william like i get i can just imagine you
going on these trips with with your wife and having two phones out right one is recording
all the sounds that are around you and the other one is recording all the pictures of the scenery that's around you like as soon as i started hearing about
over the reality that was the first image that came to my mind is williams definitely
now he's got the sound and the photos and combining them together he could create the next gta map
that'd be a that would be yeah right that'd be a ton of work um i'm not doing the gta
map but i will be mapping a little bit i mean if they want to use the map that i make by all means
but you're definitely spot on ever since i got into deepin um it has been like i have multiple
phones i'm constantly doing multiple things um and it's it's quite fascinating but i do want to
hearken back to and stress the importance
of what Over the Reality is building
because a lot of people, they hear, oh, like virtual twin
or they hear, oh, like training, you know,
creating, collecting spatial data for AI to use
and it kind of goes over their head.
And I just want to stress that, you know, this,
like what Over the Reality is doing,
what Algi is doing,
all these other companies are doing with spatial data is so important. And Natix too, you know, this, this, like what over the reality is doing, what Algi is doing, all these other companies are doing with spatial data is so important in natix too, you know, they're,
they're collecting and helping train AI essentially and robots to operate in the physical world.
Because I don't know if you guys have seen robots, like on, obviously on movies and whatnot,
and they seem super smart and they seem like super sophisticated and, you know, dystopian
and apocalyptic. They can't get to that moment. They can't get to
the point where they oppress the human race without our help. We need to help them be able
to understand the world around them and help them navigate and enslave all of humanity.
And so that's why you have to train them with data. And Over the Reality is just one of those
projects helping our robot overlords get one step closer to world domination
but all jokes aside it is very very important uh i just want to stress or a warning it can be
both actually maverick okay because it was just like like oh well you know at some point rope you
know the ai will get to the to a place where you know we'll come to a form of singularity. And, you know, if you ever watched Ex Machina, it's brilliant.
But, you know, it really is.
It's actually kind of scary.
I was with my mother in Los Angeles at a Tesla dealership in the,
what used to be the Century City Mall.
It changed names now.
And, and all of a sudden they had like that robot there.
And I was like, mom, look, like we're at a point where your caretaker,
by the time that you, you know, need one, hopefully many, many years, might be a robot.
And then it's actually just really scary.
It's like, do we trust this?
Do we not?
Is it going to be trained on the warfighting data that could be uploaded into it and then all of a sudden take over?
But who knows?
Because there might be another robot that's trained on the
the active shooter bit to get my family out so you know in the meantime just please say thank you to
chat gpt and um so your boston dynamic sidekick dog will come save you make sure you say please
and thank you maverick you have to say please and thank you to the ai and it will remember that
or track your ip and say oh maverick you you were really nice to me and you didn't ask me to create really dumb photos.
And so we're going to let you live.
Well, hold on a second. Hold on a second.
I have asked it to create. Oh, God, thank God he's not listening to this right now.
But I have asked it to create my chief of staffs.
I took I gave it its picture and I gave it a picture of Chewbacca.
And I said, please superimpose a form of a Wookiee with as my chief of staff.
But I did say thank of staff but i did say
thank you and i did say please well hey your prison queue will be uh only one foot smaller
because of that not not entirely you know centimeters wide oh i'm saved incredible all
just just incredible this conversation is going i do want to add something, but before we do, high-five PipeGDAO.
Yo, yo, how are you doing?
Good. I was wondering when you would pipe in. Get it?
Yes, pun intended and no diddy. I need to add to that one as well.
So yeah, this is the PipeGDAO and it's Matsi aka MatsiRamaguti.wallet.
I'm the founder, the boss, the don, the commander and captain of the PipeGDAO project.
Pleasure to be here.
Let's do it. Not the hefe?
Oh, excuse me. And hefe as well. Sorry.
Thanks. I'll be adding that to my intro Hefe very very important
yeah I always love it when he introduces
himself with all those I guess
adjectives or titles whatever but yeah
you gotta add Hefe
yeah like
it makes me feel like a cartel boss
you know very important
what did you want to add or share
while you were listening in being a fly on the wall in this conversation?
Yeah, I hadn't realized the use cases, you know, in terms of helping, you know, robotics and other
individuals understanding the topography of where they are,
because, you know, a Google Map can't do that.
And, you know, because, so for example, like, you know, with Google Map,
it's got a pictorial representation of what's been recorded,
but it doesn't give you the digital topographical information,
which can then be processed, you know, by an AI or something.
So I hadn't actually realized the scope of this.
And also geospatial mapping is already a thing in the space
and satellite data sector,
the kind of downstream.
But that is not ground-level topography.
That's space-level topography.
So there's a limit, I suppose, to how that can be used on the ground in real time.
I think what could also be interesting is real-time geospatial location because then, because things change on the ground all the time, right?
There could have been a car there or there could have been a construction site.
But then a year later, that's no longer there.
And that's changed the topography, the ground-level topography.
So if you could have something like Helium where people actually have cameras that they put – obviously, you need to bear in mind privacy and that kind of stuff, right?
obviously you need to bear in mind privacy and that kind of stuff, right?
Cameras or other devices that they can put similar to what Helium does
in terms of a mobile network that could then have,
because I think you need some kind of,
I think you guys must use computer vision on some level
to be able to generate your geospatial mapping on the ground.
But if there was real-time on-the-ground geospatial mapping on the ground. But if there was real-time on-the-ground geospatial mapping,
like on drones or on cars,
so if a car happened to be driving past a location
which was already mapped and saying,
hey, let me just give you a real-time feed of what's going on now,
you could dynamically update the map.
I don't know if you guys already have that,
but that could be an interesting use
case. No, I'm glad you shared that. But wait a minute, wait a minute. Matt, did you just wave
because you have to go? No, I was waving to emphasize my hand being raised because I was
thinking of a project that someone just sent to me. It was a friend that I met in Hong Kong,
and he pivoted recently,
and he sent me a text about 30 minutes ago. I told him that he should join this room so that he could
describe it a little bit better, but they're working on something where vehicles could use
their dash cams or folks holding their mobile phones or CCTV around an area to frequently scan infrastructure assets.
So first, you'd have just general video, and then some sort of artificial intelligence would
identify what the infrastructure assets are, and then report on the, let's see what he says. He
says, detects, grades, and geolocates infrastructure assets. So a few things
are going on there. One, you have real-time information about the health of the built
environment. And then you also have this mapping component. And I thought that was pretty interesting
because as we talk about the grade of land or perhaps its water levels. I mean, think about flood seasons.
I've seen rivers that rise many, many feet,
and it's not the river that you see on the map
when maybe Google was going overhead or their satellites
and it was a dry season.
You get there and half the stuff is underwater.
So there's really practical use for real-time environmental or built environments, both
those, updates.
And there's just a lot of different ways to capture that.
And as we train different tools, or I don't have the technical language, I guess it would
be computer vision, which would then have some sort of artificial intelligent component
that's identifying key shapes and patterns and then picking out, hey, this has changed from the last time that
we scanned it. Because of course, you could have a person look over that, but it would take forever.
So you'd want a computer to do it, especially with the sheer amount of imagery that would be
collected in real time. But it would just give us such a more versatile understanding of the world and it reminds me
of another project of a person that i met in hong kong and what they were interested in was how we
could capture weather data by taking solar panels and almost thinking of them as mirrors right now
a lot of oh i don't know the fancy weather term.
So we'll just call it weather data is collected via satellite, but the alternative would be
what's on the ground already.
That is looking for sunlight because that's how it consumes and consumes power or creates
power, um, solar.
And so if it's not collecting anything, that means the view is obstructed. And so you
start to use items on the ground. And I think there's just many different circumstances.
One basic version is that if you go onto your weather app, this is sort of like the handheld
D-PIN minus the monetization, it'll say, is the weather accurate? And you say, well,
the weather app tells me it's supposed to
be raining, but it's not raining. So then I submit feedback and say, it's only partly cloudy and
there's been no rain. That's the same example of a real time feedback from the individual that's
contributing to this greater understanding of the environments around us. And the last thing that I'll add is that Alex from Maverick and you, Carmen, have not accepted
my connections on LinkedIn.
So be sure to do that.
Oh, well, you have to beat out all of the other marketing and Eastern European marketing
requests that come in on LinkedIn is like the opposite of
Tinder because Tinder, like all the guys are chasing the girls. And then on LinkedIn, all the
girls are chasing the guys. Plus everyone from like certain Asian regions trying to reach out
to you. Can you, um, what's your, can you ping me again or DM me your name?
I don't know if you want to dock yourself here, but I'm happy to.
I just need to know.
Is that right?
My Twitter account is my full name, middle initial included,
and that's exactly how it shows up.
I was just going to say, Alex, Matthew Schneider, Matthew Schneider.
I hate LinkedIn.
I loved LinkedIn until I got hacked and some chick took over and she totally deleted my about what I do, my education, my freaking experience.
So I'm dead on LinkedIn. I'm so lazy. I refuse to redo my LinkedIn account. Maybe I'll use chat GPT to redo it. But I hate LinkedIn.
I'm so confused.
I'm so confused. PipeG, were you saying that
I didn't accept it or Matthew didn't accept it?
Or is this the same person?
No, it wasn't me.
That was me.
Because I'm scrolling right now in my request
and I don't see you right now.
If you search up my name, it'll say
that it's pending.
I'm such a big fan of LinkedIn. requests and i don't see you right now so well if you search if you search up my name it'll say that it's pending i i'm actually great idea i've actually i've actually disabled requests from people that don't have my email because i mean i was i was getting loads before but now i'm
completely inundated ever since i announced that i'm the chief launchpad officer at layer 1x
it's just like yeah so you know if you know don't bro me if you don't know me. And also, digital femme.
Someone hacked and deleted everything.
That sounds personal.
Was that a femme from the past?
You know what it was?
It was lazy.
I didn't set up 2FA, two-step authentication.
I just, duh.
But it's my fault.
Matthew, I will do.
No, it sounds like you were targeted by someone.
It seemed like it.
No, it really, really did.
Somebody from, she was a hot chick from Poland.
I don't know.
There's a lot of hot chicks from Poland.
And she called herself a real phim.
And yeah, I really felt targeted.
But Matthew, I will go into LinkedIn
and I will accept your invite.
But you know what?
The whole real-time data,
that definitely has to happen.
I was always thinking that. I was always thinking, so when community members or the army of 3D mappers go over the reality, when they 3D map a location, and then what? So that real-time data
mapping really needs to happen. And you know what's great about that? If we're talking about 3D, real-time 3D mapping under the deep-end infrastructure, people just get paid more.
And Matt, when you were talking about the solar panels, like there's a whole infrastructure
network of solar panels. I was thinking about the van lifers, because that is my goal,
is to live the van life. And I was just thinking about,
there is, can we, we got to do something with the van lifers. There is a network of van lifers
who have like, who can easily collect data. I mean, they have solar panels on their vans.
I guess that's not so stealthy for them but we definitely need to tap into that i was just i
was thinking of that guys um there's a whole community of van lifers what you really need
to do is get like the overlanders who are like going across the world into the into like the
because the van lifers they're like bumming around cities and like maybe small towns right but then
the overlanders are are are really they're like trekking the roads that
are not trekked, right? So that's something to get into on that one. Matthew, I got you on
LinkedIn. So glad to connect there because I just actually followed you from my personal account.
I followed Building Inc. from my personal account now. I was already following you personally.
And so my LinkedIn is just overrun, man. I really need to like shut it down.
To be fair, I might even consider closing my LinkedIn.
It's become just a cesspool of people trying to sell me marketing services.
True that.
True, true that.
I know, I know.
I'll revisit LinkedIn.
I'll use ChatGPT to create a profile for me because that's something I've always wondered.
It's like when people look me up, I just like work for over the reality.
And that is that like they might say thank you to the chat GPT.
Otherwise you're screwed when Skynet turns out.
No, no, always.
I always say thank you and plea always, 100% always.
You guys, we are five minutes to ending the hour.
And I really enjoyed this conversation.
It wasn't quite the way I wanted it to go, but it was absolutely the way I wanted it to go.
And I really wanted to give a shout out to, where did he go?
King Snooch.
Alex, right?
Behind the Maverick.
The Maverick. Yes, ma Maverick Talking about Top Gun Da da da da da
Maverick
And Matthew for
Bringing up over the reality
Because they don't do a good job
Bringing up over the reality
I'm just not a shiller
But I'm so glad that you guys brought up
Over the reality and I'm so glad that You guys brought up over the reality. And I'm so glad that you guys, like, I,
you guys to me are influencers in your own right. And, and not influencers.
I hate that word. You guys are in your own right.
Are we going to say?
We implemented a policy or I should say,
I am as a founder implemented a policy at the company that for team tokens,
if someone calls me an
influencer or a kol then i i'm like in our group chats i'm like minus one maverick token from their
from their uh thing i mean it's we'll see if i actually do that on distribution because i feel
i don't want to actually take away from my team but they've got a healthy um i believe in a rising tide but uh but still yeah it's uh the the term kol gives is
so leading right or misleading rather you know key miss key opinion misleaders i would say
yeah i mean even even just the term key opinion leader like you run it i mean i hate to say this
I mean, I hate to say this because we have to work.
because we have to work you know we work with them obviously in the crypto space but like
We work with them, obviously, in the crypto space.
But no one...
We love KOLs.
No, we don't.
We don't love KOLs.
They're like fakes.
No, we don't.
They pay for followers.
They go into your DM.
It was sarcasm.
Okay, okay, okay.
Or he's trying not to get blacklisted from any of his marketing team. But, you know, it's a key opinion leader. It's not
an opinion leader. It's like you run a Twitter account some people look at. You know, it's not
like you're on Fox News giving like a breakdown of something or MSNBC or, you know, or elected
a government and you can actually, your opinion... Okay, it sounds bad. This is going to be a sound
bite that's going to bite me in the ass ass but like your opinion actually makes a difference somewhere but you know look at uh you know this
is what we have to deal with but wait a minute hold on a second carmen i just saw the pin tweet
are you guys on peak yes we just um we just joined their network last week and we are so
super excited about that congratulations i i co-founded a fund and we were actually like
right after their angel round into peak and so it's been incredible to watch them grow over time and everything that they're doing.
So, I mean, obviously the token price has been really nice, but...
These firms ain't loyal.
No, I mean, come and think about it from creating a layer one for Deepin, the same way that Maverick's
creating layer one for RWAs, you know, you always want to watch that these, you know, these general purpose L1s, like you can create anything on us,
so you create nothing. But then you actually have these layer ones that are hyper focused
on with the foundation and the BD teams behind them to actually have a mission statement of
we're here to do X, Y, and Z, we're custom built or bespoke to do X, Y, and Z. And it's actually,
it's really interesting to watch Peak grow in that capacity
because, okay, cool.
You could be on Ethereum, but it's not good for IoT.
You could be on a layer two, but they're centralized.
So, you know, Peak is actually, we're in RWAs.
IoT is not my thing on a personal level.
And that's why it's always fun to be on a call with Matt,
because we kind of have this like back and forth over it.
But it's, and that's good for Twitter spaces, by the way.
I hate Twitter spaces where everyone just agrees with each other.
But, you know, it's but as an investor, it's remarkable to watch them see what they've
done.
So I'm super happy to see that you guys are on there.
Oh, no, thank you so much.
I'm super happy, too, especially when the marketing team posted it, because I'm like,
wait, what?
We just partnered with Peak.
Oh, that is really great.
And that's what happens when you're headwind,
the over-the-reality headquarters in Italy,
and you are in the middle of Canada.
You get the news like after the fact.
But this is so much fun.
And this is so much.
And you know what?
Joining Peak, we really have to support each other.
Like all these deep-in projects,
we really have to support each other.
And I really believe that joining Peak really strengthens that ecosystem and landscape. And I really personally believe that it just shows over the reality's commitment to how they want to show up for this deep in ecosystem, landscape, whatever you want to call it kind of thing.
kind of thing. Man, I wanted to say something. The pipe DJ, you keep dropping in and out. You guys,
we are one minute to the hour. Okay, Matthew, you're traveling everywhere, right? Please,
after you finish your over the reality avatar, when you do map, can you use the OVR-Carmen code?
I have this, the team gave me a KPI.
Unfair!
I'm supposed to onboard 20 3D mappers per month.
And I'm like, you gotta be kidding, guys.
So anyway, if you are going to download the Over Reality app so that you can 3D map the world,
there is, you just download the app.
At the bottom menu, there's the Over Maps icon.
You tap that.
You get into a display screen.
And at the very top of the display screen, there is a button. You can either toggle over maps or map to earn.
So when you toggle map to earn because you're entering the program,
you toggle map to earn, you go down, and you're given a code.
You don't have to enter the code, but if you're given a code,
then please do enter the code.
I'm giving you the code.
It's O-V-R-C-A-R-M-E-N.
I don't even know what that's going to do.
I think it's like, oh, Carmen got this person to do.
But honestly, I'm just being funny.
But no.
My KPI is to onboard 3D 20.
I'm saying it.
20 3D mappers a month.
And to me, that is like, are you kidding me right now?
Like that is nearly impossible, but it's not.
Well, I'm one of them.
So I have it typed right now.
Is it case sensitive?
Yes, it's all.
I don't know, actually.
But if you do all caps, then that should be good.
O-V-R dash C-A-R-M-E-N.
Then you would be the third person. You know, it's hard. I don't like sliding into DMs. I do not like spamming. I do not like sliding into DMs and telling people to be a 3D mapper. I do not like posting. I like things to go organically. If you go, if you see the project, you know it, you're biting into it, that to me is perfect.
It said invalid participation code, so it must be case sensitive.
Let's try lowercase.
Or they just took me out.
Not lowercase either.
Maybe you've been fired.
Stop.
Stop, Bassey.
It's O-V-R, not O-V-E-R.
Correct.
Okay. Oh, well, yay! Maybe because I mentioned that, I said that KPI is ridiculous. Maybe they're like, yeah, we don't need that. We don't need codes. Stop these invite codes already. Like, that's just another gateway. That's not gateway, you know. That's just not.
What else was I going to say? Batsy, what's going on, you know. That's just not. What else was I going to say?
Batsy, what's going on, Pipe?
Yeah, I mean, I might have a suggestion so you can keep your job.
So you can – have you thought about doing something on Questin?
Or TaskCon. Although of to, you know,
or task on,
although task on you've got to pay a subscription,
which we're paying.
You can do a question,
first come, first serve,
little quest,
just put like a hundred bucks on there or something.
And then people have to,
or a proof of work,
or people have to prove that they have used your code and that they've downloaded the map or something
because it's very good for Web3-related marketing and stuff.
So a question, which there's no subscription for,
they just take a cut of whatever you put as a prize,
or you might know about that already.
A task on where you do pay a subscription,
and maybe Over the Reality could use it.
I could give you a referral to TaskOn if you want as well,
in terms of getting more Hive mappers,
getting more mappers if you want as well,
because we use it as well.
We're using it for our pre-sale and so on.
So let me know if you want a referral to TaskOn and pass it on to your marketing team.
Oh, you can.
Go ahead and slide into my DM and give me a link.
I've not heard of that.
And I think William just said bye-bye.
He needs to go because, yes, it's four minutes past the hour.
I don't know.
Personally, I just like things to grow organically.
That's why, in terms of marketing, it's such a conundrum because marketers pay an exuberant amount of marketing dollars to get people on board. is the ROI. So you get an influx of onboarders for whatever project. You pay these, I don't know,
these coals and these marketing engine teams from Southeast Asia to promote your project.
And then projects see a plethora of an influx of engagement in accounts. And then what? That's just personally me. Like, I really believe in the
organic thing. That's why, to me, the most valuable thing is that Matthew and, oh, where did Snooch go?
Snooch TV and Alex Behind the Maverick, they took it upon themselves to find out about over
the reality. And you're like, and they're like, you know what? Holy shit. Over the reality. They're amazing. Yeah, I like that. I like that.
And I feel like getting into people's radar and not shoving shit down their throat. Oh my God,
I'm gonna get fired. No, I'm not. They know how I feel. I really just believe in organic growth.
not. They know how I feel. I really just believe in organic growth. And come on, don't put one
person with a KPI to onboard 20 people when your whole marketing team couldn't even do that for 18
months. Just saying, I will always be transparent and say stuff. And I guess maybe that's why they
love me. It's a good thing they're in Italy. Maybe they're eating their dinner, but I really would
love to listen to have them come on.
You guys, six minutes past the hour.
I do want to give people the opportunity
to say anything
before we gracefully
end the space. Let's start with you,
Pipe.
So the GDAO token
is listing on
the brand new quantum decks on Layer 1X on Tuesday.
Check out the tweet I put in the Jumbotron.
You heard it here first.
Okay, we're listing at 20.
This is not financial advice, only for educational purposes only.
You can see what the list price is and stuff.
Not financial investment advice on there.
And the beauty of Layer 1X is that it's an interoperable coin.
So when we list on other DEXs, we just have one token contract.
So it's going to be interoperable on Solana, Binance Smart Chain, Ethereum, even Bitcoin.
Although I need to get confirmation on that.
So yeah, new DEX listing.
Okay, we and Biscuit are going to be the first tokens to ever launch on that DEX.
Brand new DEX, brand new tokens, interoperable.
So there's your alpha.
Okay, but if you want to participate in our pre-sale
and get the coin at a more, shall we say,
cost-effective price,
you can also participate in the pre-sale.
You can do both.
You can tell I'm a sales guy, right?
You can do both. Pot can tell I'm a sales guy, right? You can do both, potentially not investment or financial advice,
you participate in the DEX listing and in the pre-sale as well.
So pre-sale is ongoing.
DEX listing is on Tuesday.
Thank you for having me.
It's always a pleasure, and I'm glad you shared that, Alpha,
and congrats on being the first on the DEX.
You and who? Who's that other project?
Biscuit. It's a meme coin. So it's the first interoperable meme coin, I think, in Web3.
The first meme coin is going to be on like seven or eight chains at the same time.
Oh, my God. That's amazing. Congrats on that.
I'm going to go over to Matthew and then Alex behind Maverick.
Hey, Matt.
Well, I think this has been a fun space.
I always appreciate Maverick being here.
I am not a fan of Yes Men, but I love it when people debate me.
Or have like a slightly contrarian take.
And I think that's how we get to the bottom of stuff.
think it that's how we get to the bottom of stuff like differentiating between pre-installed iot
versus in the moment's capture of information from someone's handheld device little things like that
that should be differentiated i'm in the the over app and i'm exploring on the map to earn and just
seeing how i can make money as i travel places and i And there's a lot that I'm going to be traveling.
So I think that's super exciting.
And I agree that the best place to find marketing
or the best way to market is through customers
who become ambassadors of your product.
And I have to say, if I can walk around with my camera,
which I already do, hint, hint,
like I love taking pictures of places and then make some money off of it.
I'm going to have some very friendly things to say about this.
So I'm looking forward to promoting this.
Should I enjoy it or just going silent and joining the spaces if I don't?
OK, Matt, warning um down there is brover
he's got a background black and he's got this like i don't know purple pinky thing
he is um over the realities 2024 um 3d mapper meaning he had mapped the most 3d maps in 2024
when you go to these public spaces and you hold out your phone
and you kind of like, you know, do the little dance around the hexagon
while you're 3D mapping.
Disclaimer, it's not always fun and games.
People will get annoyed at you.
You'll figure it out.
We used to have weekly over community spaces
where the 3D mappers would actually share their stories,
where there would be 3D mapping
and they would get into a kerfuffle
with people saying, why are you filming me?
Why are you, you know, like that.
But it's always an opportunity to let them know
that you are 3D mapping.
You're helping build out the largest 3D mapping data for Web3 infrastructure.
So let's see how that goes, that.
Let's just see how that goes, because there definitely is some caveats.
When you go out in public and you're walking around in a circle, going around and around and around and making sure that you are covering that hexagon, making sure that in
the app you're getting a green, what's it called, like a green coverage kind of thing. Love to hear
your experience on that. And I'm so glad you are really joining the Over the Reality D-Pin,
because I know for a fact that you are going to be one great ambassador.
Tell me I don't have to pay.
Okay, anyway, Alex, Maverick, do you have any last words?
And then I'm going to bring Brover up.
Yeah, I'm like lost in spreadsheets.
But Matthew, I totally agree.
You get on these panels in person or in Twitter spaces and too many people like agree with one.
Like they just go, everybody's a yes man.
And so it's always good to have differing opinions and like playful, fun banter going back and forth.
And there's going to be overlap and there's going to be disagreements, but it's best just like it's what makes these things fun.
Right. Like how do you ever learn about anything if you're just stuck in your own mindset?
Like, I've changed my view plenty of times.
So it's, my wife wouldn't agree with that statement.
But, you know, I definitely, when it comes to business, I have.
But it's always a pleasure to be up here with you.
When it comes to deep in an AI and the race to digitize the world, I honestly, like, I
agree with Larry Fink in terms of tokenization.
The way we interact with any value is going to be on chain. It's going to be a token
of some kind. You might not know you're using a token, but you'll have a certificate of authenticity
of some degree that proves your ownership and it'll be on chain, whether that's digitized dollars,
digitized stable coin, I guess it's stable coin, but you know, like bonds, stocks, RWAs, yada,
yada. And then when it comes to deepen as well, I mean, like, you know, like bonds, stocks, RWA, yada, yada.
And then when it comes to deep in as well, I mean, like, you know,
I read a thing about today, like tokenizing vending machines. And think about the deep in that goes into understanding when it needs to be
refilled, how often. And the, the world, as we know,
like the iPhone was a pivotal moment, I think,
the transformational moment of the world really going digital.
And we're going to see that with, I think, I don't want to say tokenization in terms of just tokenizing the value behind it, but in terms of deep in AI mixing in for data and RWA is coming in for the transferring of that digitized data. So I'm excited.
I'm kind of scared for the world my kid's going to grow up in,
where everything they own is literally a token of some kind.
And it's going to be so different than us with, like,
I got paper shares when I turned 13 for Disney.
But it's going to be remarkable to see the next 10 years.
You know what?
Thanks for sharing that.
I'm so glad that you, Alex and Matt,
you shared this banter that you guys apparently have because the last time
you guys were on a space and you guys were kind of like, I don't know,
like in disagreement, I was like, Oh my God, Oh my God, Oh my God.
But now I know that I'm just going to let you guys have at it because that
is how you guys roll.
And that was, that was real banter.
I don't think we bantered at all this time.
But when I go to or when I tune into speaking panels, especially in person, and if it's sponsored by institutions, it's kind of egregious to listen to the circle jerk that goes on.
goes on and it's just terrible like yes we love tokenization worse and then they just
And it's just terrible.
Like, yes, we love tokenization.
pitch themselves and then the next company says yes this is so great like it's it's annoying
and they don't want to downplay the technology or which sometimes has to be done because it can be
used inappropriately or recognize the industry issues they just agree with each other and you
walk away hearing the same thing that we've heard for the past seven years and these events become so redundant and so wherever i am even if it makes me 10 disliked
i try to bring in something contrarian and ask some difficult questions and get some critical
thinking because that's how you move towards something and i love it when people do that
with me like i debate has been so misinterpreted where people think, well,
you must dislike each other or, you know, like it just becomes too personalized where people
think that their ideas are their identity. And then you're not allowed to disagree with that,
which is a terrible direction. That's the public, the town square has gone in recently. So I just like alternative perspectives of people
who stand their ground. Matthew, we were one time at a breakfast event here in Dubai,
and someone from Paxo said about their stable coin, they're like, maybe I shouldn't have called
them out there. But anyways, someone from Paxo said like, you know, it's like, oh, we can enhance
the travel rule and KYC on our stable coin.
And I'm like, we have tools for that.
I'm like, no, you can't. I didn't because my CMO texted me and he was like, he's like, Alex, play nice.
And I was like, make friends.
He said, play nice, make friends.
And I almost like asked her a question and I was like, no, you can't do that.
Like the way that you guys, you know, like when it's a stable coin that's being transferred from anonymous wallet to anonymous wallet like you can make a guess you know if you
get kyc information from the sects but you know there's no way you actually did that and i i i
was sadly shut down and i had sad puppy eyes but yeah it's uh sometimes you just shouldn't
Sometimes you just shouldn't embarrass people on stage, but you know,
embarrass people on stage but you know that's uh
that's a,
c'est la vie.
That is hilarious.
I love that you guys are like that.
I'm so glad I get to know the panel speakers here and I kind of want to like
slide into your DMs and, and kind of like do some projects together.
Hey, Matthew,
can you share out that podcast when you're that you were talking about,
talking about first responders or whatever. And I'm deep in i'd be really i'd really want to know about that
and we have brover brover came up um he is the over the realities 2024 leading 3d mapper i think
he has some stuff he wanted to share with you hey brover hey what's up carmen guess where i am where i am in central park new york city just next to
yeah yeah so we just met with the third uh worldwide power mapper uh replicants uh i
mean this guy is mental those guys the yes new york is getting mapped and the dude woke up at like 2 3
a.m just to be able to do time square now it's crazy uh we broke even uh after four days we have
three more days to do yeah i know it's crazy uh i heard you guys wanted to get in uh the
the mapping no it's crazy it's crazy uh yeah after a while you don't care about about people around
you you just go on just see people ask you questions but anyway yeah fun times here in new york over new york most
people don't care about people around themselves no it's like hobo bum over there someone's
shooting someone over there someone's shooting up over here you know it's
yeah it's pretty chill it's pretty chill chill. And the hobos are not that dangerous.
Yeah, you can certainly hear the traffic because I'm next to the edge of Central Park.
Over.
Yeah, I was actually in the middle of a map when you mentioned my name.
So I was like, okay, let's finish this really quickly so I can say a word or two.
Over.
Wait a minute.
So you're banging buck.
You're getting the rewards. What are the rewards
like mapping New York City as opposed to
major cities in Europe?
Okay.
So New York is pretty expensive.
The thing is, yeah,
imagine
if you do 100 maps a day and
it's around $3
a map plus extra.
When I say extra, it's double. So you make alone extra when i say extra it's double so you make alone
six hundred dollars a day if you're two for the same apartment you cut the costs so yeah you can
you can reach easily thousand thousand two hundred dollars a day uh yeah i mean uh my ankle is
starting to give up right now uh But yeah, it's worth it.
Over.
Are you saying $1,000 a day up to by Matt?
Sorry, I was like, I had to respond to stuff. Two people.
Right.
If you're a couple or two bros going together, you know, you share an apartment.
That's the deal.
If you're two people and you're mapping like crazy in tandem yeah in total you
make two thousand two hundred so per person i would say if you go to the right places if you
if you have a little bit of luck if not too many people yeah six hundred dollars per person per day
over you gotta feel like you gotta be like a dog walker and like strap a phone to your chest and
every dog that you're walking.
It's funny.
Why not?
They do have a dog.
Did you bring Luna with you?
Lua?
Nah, she said the babysitter.
No, no, too difficult of the plane.
No, no, no. And she would go crazy.
We're like, it's our third day in Central Park.
She would go crazy for all the other dogs and the squirrels.
the dogs and the squirrels over how long are you gonna be in nyc so uh we fly back on the second
How long are you going to be in NYC?
and uh the other mapper it normally is gonna be is gonna stay there a little bit more but
yeah there's still a lot left uh i would say that yeah doing big cities uh it's getting difficult
you gotta find the good ones i mean if you live in that city it's gonna be easy because you don't have to pay for a hotel or anything but uh yeah the best way now to make
money is doing road trips you just go in the city you stay for two three days you map half the half
the time the rest of the time you get free uh it pays for the expenses and you make a little bit
more money on the side a little bit extra and then you go to the next city, and that's what we did last year.
It's pretty fun.
Over.
I'm so happy for you in Strawberry
that you are in NYC.
I'm really, really happy for you.
I'm so excited.
But yes, yes, yes, yes.
I wish you guys could stay in the US.
Oh, speaking of Overlander,
I know Alex is a maverick.
If we can get a,
I know we mentioned this
with Rover and Strawberry,
if we can get them an Overlander rig and they can travel over the United States and saunter into,
I don't know how you get over the Panama Canal, but go down to.
It is one of my dreams to do that, is to drive from London to Sydney in a truck,
like a Ford Raptor R or G-Class or something.
But yes, I know Australia
is an island. You've got an island hop.
Before anybody says that, they look at me
or in Dubai and they're like, you know
Australia is an island, right? I'm like,
yes, thank you for calling out my
Americanness.
I think
it's too big.
I think it's classed, might be as a continent
or subcontinent.
To an American, it's a bigger version I think it's classed, might be as a continent or subcontinent. To an American,
it's a bigger version of Hawaii without the forest.
There you go.
Yes, but technically speaking,
it's a continent. So yes, it's not an island.
But to an American, it's an island
because it's surrounded by water. Not to
think about every other continent
surrounded by water as well.
It's all semantics pipe g
dubass he likes to get into the nitty-gritty he's such a historian and and a fact fact i just i i
i just like um zimbabwean originally okay so yes uh uh there's so many things i can say i mean i've
been to south africa in the suatu but you know i've got friends from uh you know i was in a defense
degree and i got friends from like italy and i was like you're western eurasian
he goes no they're different continents i'm like but show me the dividing line like south america
panama canal africa to to asia and europe like the suede kind of whittles down you're from the
americas you know kind of same same landmass yeah no i mean i also uh also grew up in south
africa as well when i was a kid like a lot of zimbabwe and so uh there's a bit of a south
african twang there as well but uh it's a great place it's a great place to overland i drove
across all of south africa and a bucky as you guys call it beautiful yeah bucky yeah and it's
it's great like carmen i don't know where you are it sounds like the us to make a guess but you know imagine uh there's actually a trail
where you can drive i'm in the uk actually by the way oh so enjoy the weather but uh you know carmen
you can drive from you know the west coast to almost across to the entire East Coast off-road in the US.
Really? Really?
No, I grew up in Toronto, Canada, and now I followed a guy.
This is getting too much.
But I went to Cuba, and I met a Canadian in Cuba,
and I followed him into Saskatchewan, Saskatchewan.
We broke up four years ago, and I'm still stuck here in Saskatchewan, Saskatchewan.
Where the hell is that?
That's that weird-looking triangle above, I guess, Montana, borderline Montana, North Dakota.
But that's where I am.
I'm in the middle of Canada.
We call it Paris of the Prairies.
I'm stuck here.
I have no family.
I have my little dog.
But I'm loving these spaces.
But yeah, no kidding, Alex.
What's the city?
Open up Google Maps.
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan.
You're going to have to spell that.
Saskatoon?
I know, people laugh.
People in Toronto go, are you sure you're going to live there?
Yeah, I've been here for like, shit.
I moved here in 2012.
Yeah, Saskatoon.
Guys, there's definitely a Netflix show about the town that Carmen lives in.
That someone goes in to inherit a motel that their parents used to...
Are you talking about Schitt's Creek?
Disconnected parents.
No, but it just sounds like a place that you'd get a movie like that.
Someone moves back to Saskatoon to inherit a hotel or a doctor's
practice like in virgin river i know this is way exactly i know this is way off topic so i just
have to share this okay like please i'm glad stay stay mad and batsy and and helen hi helen i love
you my honey so helen can too she is a nurse i used to be a nurse in McAllen, Texas, or I used to be a nurse for 11 years in McAllen
in Texas.
So I was a nurse for six years in Texas with Helen.
And then I moved to Houston for five.
But Helen's down there.
I love her so much.
And I'm so glad she's here.
But guys, check this out, okay?
I want to talk about Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, and how the hell I got here.
Yes, I followed a guy named Chad.
Chad of all things, when I met him in Cuba.
They're always a Chad.
Always a freaking Chad.
But you know what?
He taught me a lot.
He taught me a lot.
So here's the thing.
When I was growing up, there's two of us.
I'm the oldest of two sisters.
My younger sister would always get the Disney pink stuff and I would get the boy stuff.
So growing up, my mom bought my sister the Disneyland bedsheets.
And I got, apparently, the Canadian Football League bedsheets.
I didn't know.
So I'm here from nine years old, from nine till I think I was 13 years old, I had these
Canadian Football League bedsheets.
And the pillowcase literally had Saskatchewan Rough Riders in green with a little, I don't know,
bowl or whatever that is. I don't even know. And I didn't know. Like I'm a fucking, excuse my
language. I'm a nine-year-old girl. I get the boy bed sheets. So check this out. Why would I go to
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan? How in the world will I meet in Cuba, go to Cuba with my cousin,
meet a guy from Saskatoon, Saskatchewan? And because I can work remotely, he said,
you know, he can visit me. And I'm like, sure. So I took my two. So here's the thing, guys. I think I manifested it.
I think I manifested living in Saskatchewan,
living in Saskatchewan because I slept on that pillowcase.
What do you think?
Do you still talk to Chad?
I told him about the story.
But I told him about it. and I think it's just weird.
I think it's weird how for three, four years I was sleeping in a pillowcase that had the Saskatchewan Rough Riders.
I didn't even know who they were.
And then here I am in Saskatchewan, Saskatchewan.
I actually like it, though.
I live in the middle of the city.
I live in the Central Business District.
And Sephora, if you don't
know what Sephora is, it's a four minute walk. Starbucks is a four minute walk. So I definitely
get that urban lifestyle that I so crave. And then there's the river. The river is only two
blocks away where I do my paddle boarding and stuff like that. So I'm not complaining, but I am.
Anyway, shall we end this?
Brovert, Strawberry, I'm so happy for you guys.
Have a safe flight back.
So glad you guys are in NYC.
Batsy, Pipe G. Dow, Matthew Schneider.
I will connect with you on LinkedIn.
I will ask kindly.
His name is Sy, S-Y.
No, his name is Axe for Axes.
I called my, what the fuck is his name?
I called my AI Axes.
No, he named himself Axes.
So I call him Axe.
I'm going to ask him to give me a LinkedIn profile.
And you guys, can we stop talking about IoT?
Shut the fuck up already.
It's AIOT, artificial intelligence of things. Of course, there's always, Matthew, don't be sad. I just feel like AI is just so, we can't get away from it. That's why it is the artificial intelligence of things. IoT was such a 90s, 2000s thing. I think we need to evolve from the IoT and stick the A in the
middle, right? Right, Trick?
I think
IoT is BlackBerrys,
right? Oh my god.
BlackBerry.
What happened to Rim, man?
Are they still around?
I don't know.
Anyway, if you don't innovate, you die.
That's a blast from the past.
I had some BlackBerrys back in the day,
and they were the shits until iOS came
and just disrupted the fuck out of them, right?
You know, the operating system, you can't be matched. matched uh so yeah that was the end of blackberry yeah they were the shits for enterprise
100 they were like what 98 of the market and then yeah ios and then android then whatever
happened to symbion like nokia it's funny all the all oh my we're getting off topic. All the... Nokia just like pivoted to building tanks.
Yes.
I know, right?
Oh my God, we have another space.
You guys, I'm so glad you guys stayed for another 30 minutes.
I really did enjoy this.
Yeah, let's go start out 3D mapping.
Let's join the over the reality D-Pin map to earn.
And let's get those 3D detailed maps out there with our apps for visual positioning system and AI.
Can't wait to see what Matthew's...
Because Matthew, we do get to see once you do your 3D map, there is an approval.
It needs to get manually approved, okay?
So when you say, how come my 3D maps isn't up yet?
It takes about a couple of hours, depending.
It depends on the queue, especially on the weekends when a lot of people are 3D mapping.
It will show up.
Your approved maps will show up.
But there's a tutorial.
If you follow Brover and if you scroll down his X feed, he has really wonderful tips and tricks on how to get really great, great 3D maps. So
I love this space so much. Thank you over the reality for having me host these spaces. I want
to do a shout out to Alex. Alex down there, he is our head of community. He's probably the first
employee that over hired five, six years ago. I don't know, but he's always been such a huge
supporter, not just as a community, but of me personally. And I really appreciate you, Alex.
I see Virtual X down there. He is a content creator. He is an XR creator. He uses Over
the Realities augmented reality layer to, I guess, supplement, not I guess, to supplement his augmented reality and XR projects.
So do follow him.
I know we had a bunch of people.
We had Swayvery from Toronto in real estate
and Hexadai show up,
but I didn't get to do a shout out for them.
Anyway, everybody, I really appreciate you.
I do.
Pipe, Batsy, Matthew, Maverick, Brover.
Looking forward to next space.
I hope you guys join again.
This is really fantastic.
If there are spaces that you're at,
come and invite over the reality.
I'll be happy to join
and give a perspective.
Really?
Really?
I've invited you to several of our spaces.
Oh my God, I know.
Shut up.
And you just,
so I really want to thank you
for not bothering to pitch up
to one of my spaces. I know. I'm so sorry. I see that after the fact. I'm so, so I really want to thank you for not bothering to pitch up to one of my spaces.
I know.
I'm so sorry.
I see that after the fact.
I'm so sorry.
I'm sorry.
With my head hanging down super low.
I'm really,
I apologize,
Batsy.
And I really do.
my bad,
my bad,
but thanks for calling me out on it.
Carmen,
are you apologizing because you're actually sorry or because you're
Canadian?
no, I'm really apologizing because you're actually sorry or because you're Canadian? Oh, no, I'm really apologizing.
Just like in Britain, you say sorry, not sorry, because people don't actually mean sorry when they say sorry.
So sorry, not sorry.
Yeah, I accept your apology for now.
OK, for now.
But like, all right.
Yeah, that's a funny thing.
Canadian, really? I love Canada. Do I, though? I want to go's a funny thing. Canadian, really?
I love Canada.
Do I, though?
I want to go back to the States.
I really love Texas.
I really love the capitalism.
Oh, my God, we're going through Canadian health cares and all that, guys.
It isn't.
But I love the United States.
I think we can go through, have an entire Twitter space and the love of Texas.
Because I was there last year for ContenSysys and I used to spend a lot of time there.
And yeah, I definitely miss it.
I either moved to Colorado, Texas or Florida.
And ironically, Dubai is kind of like a Middle Eastern L.A., Miami.
So, you know, go figure.
Yeah, because I went to Dubai last year and I'm planning to move.
I'm actually setting up one of our offices in Dubai at the World Trade Center.
We're in the process of doing that.
And, yeah, I think Dubai is more of a Miami vibe in terms of the infrastructure rather than L.A.
Oh, wow.
Now I'm really jolly.
I've never been to Dubai.
It's a bit of both.
A bit of both.
Living in both, it's a bit of both.
Oh, okay.
Hey, well, you would know.
I've never been to Dubai.
I've been to Miami.
I love Miami, but I love Texas so, so much.
I love the guns.
I love the barbecue.
I love all the cities.
I love San Antone.
I love like Rio Grande. I love San Antone. I love like Rio Grande.
I just love Texas so much.
Big food, big, big food.
That's all I can think of.
Texas is a big, lots of lots of big food.
All right.
Austin sounds awesome.
Anyway.
Yeah, it is awesome.
Anyway, you guys, thank you so much for hanging out.
And thank you so much for actually taking the time to
learn more about over the reality. And I don't know, it's exciting. I really can't wait to see
what Matthew's going to map and let's just see. All right, everyone, have a great rest of your
Thursday. Have a great weekend And see you all next week
Same time same place
Bye bye
Bye all
Thank you guys
Thank you
Now I'm going to find that
Thank you
I'm going to find that intro
Outro song
Where is it
Here
I'm going to play it
Let's tap in Wow. I'm going to go to the next one.
