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Designing the Future: Seeing the World Through Different Lenses.
Recorded: March 27, 2025 Duration: 1:56:43Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion on the future of XR and Web3, industry leaders emphasized the importance of partnerships, innovative projects, and the integration of AI in enhancing user experiences. With significant collaborations and emerging trends, the conversation underscored the potential for growth and transformation in the crypto landscape.
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yeah Music Thank you. so I Thank you. Music so so all right good morning good afternoon good evening wherever you guys are um welcome to
over's weekly designing the future space uh we i don't know if you like that intro music, but it is what it is.
We are waiting on two more speakers, I believe. I'm sure they'll get to us when they do.
I'll be watching out for them. First of all, can you believe we are finishing off the first
quarter of 2025? And I know I've been following a few of you, like the community members.
I know, Doctor, isn't that crazy?
A few of the members and some of the speakers.
And it's really great to see a lot of successes
that have happened to all of you.
And I really hope each and every one of you
count your successes and blessings
because man, 2025 is a wild year, believe you me. And I
know you know that for yourselves. First of all, let me see. I'm really excited about this space
because designing the future, seeing the world through different lenses, I cannot have a better
mix of panel speakers than we do today. It's just incredible, and I'm really
looking forward to hearing their thoughts and insights, and I'm sure you all are as well.
If you haven't already, please do share out the space with your community or your friends so
they can come up and join us, and that is really great. I also want to remind
you to also please follow the speakers up here. I know that there may not be time for a Q&A for them,
however, if you do follow them then you'll always be given the opportunity to reach out to them via
DM and connect with them and I'm sure they'll be more than willing to answer any of
your questions. All right, then what are we going to do? Okay, I'm just getting settled here. Isn't
that crazy? Okay, before we get started, I do want to say that nothing discussed today should be
taken as financial advice or an endorsement to use or invest in any specific project, crypto asset, or protocol.
That's what we wanted to be like so clear about.
I think we have one of our, I think we have enough of our speakers here.
I think one is missing, but they'll probably join when they do.
You know, speakers, thank you so much for your time.
I know you guys are busy doing whatever you're doing,
and I really appreciate you joining the Overspace on behalf of the team.
Thank you so much. And this is just like fantastic, really.
OK, so what we're going to start off with is we will get the speakers to introduce themselves,
give a little soft shill perhaps to any of the projects they're doing and then we'll start off with the
questions um how about i'm going to start with let me just check here if i'm missing anybody
you know what let's start with ralph and then we'll go to scarlet then rex then doctor then than Nick's. Hey, Ralph, how are you? D-F-C. I'm great. How are you?
I'm great, and it's so great to have you on here.
You know what? Many people may not know who you are, but then
they know who you are. I'm just really excited that you're here, really.
Story of my life. People don't need to know who I am, and that's okay.
But I'm grateful to be here.
Thank you for the invitation. You know me. I've been a lurker. I've been a listener,
so I'm really thrilled to be here, have the mic turned on. So thanks so much for the invite.
You're welcome. Now, can you give a little intro to you and what you do?
Absolutely. So hey, everybody. I'm Ralph. I'm coming to you from Seattle,
Washington. I am the head of public relations and partnerships for Xreal. Xreal is the global
market leader for AR glasses. It's a super hot space right now. It's a super fun space right now.
Everything that's happening in XR. And we at Xreal really think about it through the glasses space.
We are hard committed to lightweight, portable glasses. And that's what we do. We've been doing
it the longest. We've sold the most. This is our space. And I'm really thrilled to tell you a little
bit more about what we're up to, what's coming next, and maybe some secrets, maybe not some secrets. We'll find out. Ooh, alpha. We love them. Alpha. You know what? Um, Seattle, it's around nine,
nine AM there. So good morning. Hope you had your coffee.
Doing it right now. Oh, perfect. All right.
I'd like to pass on the microphone to Scarlett Arana. Hey, Scarlett.
So happy that you can join us this morning.
Hi everybody. Uh, thank you so much for having me.
Yeah, so I'm here in Miami, Florida.
We actually, my company is called BitBasil.
BitBasil is one of the largest Web3 art fair that is hosted every year in December.
And so we basically onboard creators and artists to Web3. I myself
have a technologist but there's a lot happening in Miami for those who don't know I'm here at the
Emerge conference which is one of the largest tech conference in Florida as well as Miami Music
Week. Yeah so those who are interested in music, that intersection between music and Web3
is something that we're also hosting.
But yeah, been in the space for over 10 years.
Super excited to talk about spatial
and where it's all heading.
You know what, Scarlett?
Between you and Ralph, I don't know who's busier.
Like, you guys are back-to-back events.
Like, it's insane.
It's insane.
You guys are making me like totally
dizzy but i'm really glad that you are you can make it even though you are like in between events
and stuff like that so thank you so so much let's go to rex hello rex hey good morning everybody uh
rex gatling here um xr developer i've been developing apps for about six years um i've
been building apps for the xreal glasses literally back when it was in real um so i've been developing apps for about six years um i've been building apps for the x real
glasses literally back when it was in real um so i've been around for a while building apps
um and games uh currently right now i'm building a few games for for a few pair of glasses i'm just
glad to be here and with with this steam point this is team panel rex is him all All right. Rex is him. All the shout outs to Rex. This is the guy.
Thanks. Thank you.
Yep. He is. He is the guy. Thank you so much for that, Rex. And I love that shout out, Ralph. I
totally do. Hey, Nyx, how are you? So glad to have you with us. Hey, thanks for having me. I'm so glad to be here and like dig into this conversation.
Hi, I am Nyx. I've been in Web3 for a few years now. I'm a top of mind brand architect,
a advisor and strategist in Web3. And I'm a lover of this conversation. So happy to get started.
That's amazing. We need more people like you on Next
here in Web3 Brand Architecture. We definitely need the proof blueprint or a few template
blueprints to get Web3 on the go. So I'm so glad you are here. Let's go to Doc Tor. How are you?
Hello, friends. Doing well. Thank you for the invite. My name is Doc.
I've been here for a while in Web3. My focus has always been in building entertainment, pop culture, comics, games, emergent storytelling,
and figuring out ways to help people tell their story and use Web3 technology in a way to let them achieve that goals.
I'm also co-founder of Earnscape.
It's a mobile discovery app for mobile games,
and we are working to de-risk the idea of getting blockchain rewards
by giving it for free for engaging with amazing products
through user acquisition and a whole lot of other cool stuff,
including the first native in-app mobile streaming platform,
which is in beta right now, and we're super excited about.
Well, that sounds really exciting, Doc.
I really can't wait to hear more about your indie entertainment,
especially coming on to the Web3 space and the topic we're discussing right now in XR.
This is really fantastic that you're here.
Hey, Xiaolin, I see you. I see that you've requested the mic. How about we kind of like
put a hold on that? I just want to continue on with the speaker panel and I'll make sure I'll
circle back with you. So thank you so much for wanting to engage and connect with us this early
on. All right, let's get through the main topic here,
guys. We are seeing the world through different lenses. And as you know, Ralph already said that
he is the head of PR and partnerships for Xreal Global. Now, I don't want to make this all about
Xreal, although it's so easy. Oh, you know what? My bad. Last but not least, He Tex, Charles, Charles, please give us
a brief intro to you
and what you're doing. I know Ralph is laughing.
How can I forget my brother?
It was pretty easy
when you show up late to the class
and you're sneaking in the back door.
You're like, I hope they don't even notice that.
They just put me in and it was like natural.
But no, I'm
really excited to be here.
And of course, I'm excited about the conversation and the panel, the speakers is up here. I could
mute and just listen. There's enough knowledge up here. I could, I'm taking notes. I actually,
that's a lot. I've got AI taking notes and tuning in and listening to what's going on. But yeah,
I'm excited to be here. Thanks for the conversation, Carmen. Okay, Charles. Of course you're using AI to take notes. Of course you are. All right,
let's get started with the questions. So the first question is really put out to anyone,
to the panel. You can go in order, but feel free to just jump in. The first question is,
as XR technologies continue to blur the lines between
physical and digital experiences, how do you see this shaping human interaction and the way we
perceive reality over the next decade? Who's going to take this on first? All right, Rex.
Yeah, I'll take this question on. I think it's going to I think it's going to change human interaction to where now to where now human interaction is more important from the standpoint of where we're not looking down at our phones.
We're not looking at we're not looking at screens. I think what people are doing right now is taking augmented reality and thinking that, you know, it's going to become a distraction.
It's gonna become a distraction actually actually to me based on what based on use cases I've seen
Is that it's gonna it's gonna it's gonna actually enhance
Enhancing human human human interaction to where now to where now besides us looking down at phones us being again being bombarded with
Chain mail cuz chain mail emails and everything on our phones and stuff
and everything on our phones and stuff,
I think now I think now with the mixture with AI
I think now with the mixture with AI,
it's going to now condense all of that down
to where now human interaction will be
where we have our glasses on
or eventually contact lenses
to where now we're able to still have more interaction
than we are currently right now
because as you've noticed in a city like New York City,
on the train, everybody's looking down on the phone no one's talking to each other and i think
with i think with ar it's going to actually enhance that to where now people will be able to
you know build relate build relationships and be able to speak with each other you know besides
being bombarded with just looking down on the phone you know i totally see that and i do agree
with you uh we have nix coming in hot with um her take
on it and then we have doc hey nix what's going on hey uh i do i agree fully with what rex just
said i do see this as like an opportunity to sort of like enhance social connectivity um like as an
example as an example uh i'm not sure if you guys have seen on YouTube I love how
people get together and do those like k-pop dance challenges I think it's the cutest thing the k-pop
song comes on everybody jumps into the middle and they're all just really pumped you know together
to have this like shared experience I sort of of see like, like this being taking that
definitely to the next level. It's like, it's like saying like, imagine like we are having like
a holographic gathering, and we can actually take these shared experiences and sort of create this
sort of way for us to redefine kind of like our personal identity, but like in a public space
and like how we interact with it. It's like, okay, so now we can sort of create communities around
these like, this merge of like, you know, the physical and digital, it's like not, it doesn't
have to be necessarily divided anymore. It doesn't have to be like a space where it's like, okay, let's do like our virtual communities here.
And then we have our physical friends.
I don't know if you're like me.
I had like my online friends and then my in real life friends for like a great deal of time.
Like this is actually a way to create even like a third group network or actually merge those spaces together in a way where we can actually become
a lot more immersive creatively in the way that we would have been like online. We can now do a
lot more of those things socially and in real, you know, real time spaces. So I personally,
I can't wait for that to happen at conventions, for instance.
Like that's one area that I find that really exciting.
I also really find it really exciting for kids.
All of the fun ways that we can get them out of the house and like away from iPads.
Not saying I'm like a, not opposed to iPads or anything like that.
But the same amount of fun that you can find like paying video games.
Like video games are very immersive by nature.
To be able to have that kind of engagement and exhilaration in a shared space, the same kind of love that we were as kids, you know, trying to play outside and like climb trees together.
That transition, it means that we kind of get to create those two, you know, different experiences and like merge it together.
So I see so much
potential, personally. But I'll pass it over to Doc, because I think I could definitely hog the
mic on this conversation. I think we all can. Hey, Ralph, I see you. We'll go to Doc and then
Ralph. But before we go to Doc, Nyx, you had me at K-pop. Are you ARMY? Yes. All right. So Purple Hearts, Purple Hearts.
I have two teenage daughters.
So it's just like I have to love K-pop.
So if you guys don't know, ARMY is the, I guess they're a billion fan base for BTS.
But we're not going to go there.
Hex knows I can talk about them forever.
We won't.
Doc, save the space.
Let's hear from you.
Wow, that's a hard. You really set me up here.
Gosh, I mean, do you have four hours to talk?
This is such a cool topic in general.
Not only like, you know, we're talking about Web3.
We're talking about XR and entertainment.
But what Rex said, what Nick said, things that like Jamie Burke from Outlier Ventures, he's always talking about a post web world. Right. So this where we start with entertainment and look and I'm, you know, of an age I've been following people who've been trying to do wearable computing for a long time.
a long time uh what's the the the guy's name steve man right he's like the earliest guy and you know
old old school stuff looked like remember in ghostbusters uh when they put the uh salad
strainer on on the on rick moranis's head and it's got all the grebbles and stuff you know like
we've come so far for for wearable computing and this idea of where not only for immersive experiences, but storytelling, but complementary technology,
where it is less obtrusive and something that can sit beside you in your everyday life.
It's so odd to think that there's like the apex where the circles start to cross,
There's like the apex where the circles start to cross where technology is
obtrusive.
And then we have like our like base humanity and being able to look each
other in the eye and talk.
And somewhere these things are going to converge where it makes,
where each of them it's easier to do and it's going to help us.
So it's like rehumanizing people through technology.
And it's going to start us. So it's like rehumanizing people through technology. And it's going to start with entertainment experiences, certainly.
And it's the easiest application. But from that, we are
able to, and, you know, especially like from indie developments like that, I guess
I'll get that into my question, but we're able to tell stories and share experiences
and explore, like Nick said.
You know, I was content with a couple sticks and some mud.
Kids these days, not so much perhaps,
but if this gives my daughter an opportunity
to go play Roblox in real life in the park or whatever,
although when I play with her,
she always puts me in the role play server
and she makes me be like an infant that can't do anything.
So I don't know how I'm going to feel about about that i just spam the poop button the whole time but anyway uh yeah this is a
great topic because this is now and this is future casting right this is future casting what our
lives are going to be like how we entertain ourselves and how we uh experience uh a shared
reality wow okay so let future casting be the um the buzzword or the word for the second quarter of
2025. I really love that. First of all, Doc, when I looked at your profile, I'll be honest,
when I saw the adult fantasy HQ, I was like, ooh, the reason why I say that is because I don't know
you guys, if you know, in terms of technology, the industry that has always embraced technology, I'm going to say it starts with a P, rhymes with corn, has always been that industry.
Adult fantasy is definitely not what you think.
This is a pop culture and comic book, very tongue-in-cheek organization.
It is every nerdy kid's fantasy as to be an adult and
be able to create comic books so yeah it is i mean like yes i am with you uh porn definitely
that's why we have dvds over uh you know um um what was it the the uh the whatever the microsoft
version was that's why we have uh you know, LaserDisc and all that stuff. Yeah, you're right though.
But yeah, not what you think.
We tricked you.
We're making comic books and fandom over there.
It's an ex-Marvel, ex-Cartoon Network guy.
And we've got some really cool stuff
we've been banging out on the side.
We still love that.
We love our cartoons and heroes and stuff like we do.
Hey, Ralph, thank you for being so patient. Let's hear
from you. HD DVR. That's what lost the DVD. Ah, yeah, right. There we go. It's great stuff. And
Doc touched on this as did everybody else. But this blending of the worlds, it only happens when
our technology is good enough. So I think the answer starts with the same way you ask the
questions, technology. And if the actual tech isn't there, we're going to keep being in limbo. So we need the right hardware and the right software before we can actually see these things work together and to augment and assist humans.
stuff, but it's glasses and it's thinner, it's smaller, it's lighter. There's room for big giant
headwear. There's room for that. But is that walking around in public or is it sitting at a
desk? So it's, it starts with the combination of 50, 50 hardware and software because the hardware
is worthless if there's not software to support it. And what's that software going to be? I think
doc just said, it starts with entertainment for sure. It starts with gaming for sure. But it's that real blending. You need hardware that can
carry the software. They are right hand, left hand. And without one, the other one's going to
fail and we're going to sit in limbo for too long. 100%, 100%. And this is why, thank God Rex Gatling is here. He is an XR developer. He's actually developed a multitude of apps for all these different wearable devices. It's insane. I look at the room. I look at the space. I want to do a shout out to Gwee. Hey, Gwee from EA Network. So glad that you can join us.
I'm looking at the space, and did you know Ralph and Doctor and Nick, Scarlett, and I know Hexnos and Rexnos, we have a lot of Web3 content creators.
I don't even want to call them Web3.
We have a lot of artists here that are playing in the technology space.
We have Altered.
We have K-Bot.
We have Era.
We have TechMental.
Who else do we have?
We have got Brover, he's a new one. We've got so many, and I really can't wait for more people to create content based on the technologies that are happening.
We have got Brover.
He's a new one.
You know, Scarlett, I know you're quite, I think, Scarlett, you might be like, I know you're at an event right now, but I do want to hear from you about this.
So as XR technologies continue to blur the lines between physical and digital experiences,
how do you see the shaping human interaction and the way we perceive reality over the next decade?
I'm picking you, Scarlett, because to me here, you are the spatial computing guru. You've been heads-on deep diving in spatial computing for, I guess, over a decade, maybe even 15 years.
even 15 years, you've been way ahead of your time. And if you, if people don't know, spatial
You've been way ahead of your time.
computing is so important to what will, I guess, merge or, I don't know, merge all these technologies
together in the future. Scarlett, if you're there, what do you have to say about that?
Yeah, I think we better define what spatial computing really is. For those in the audience who don't know,
it's more simplicity where the digital affects the real world assets.
And this can be done either through digital twinning.
What it means is you take the physical and the digital.
Now AI, for instance, uses inference to run simulations
of our own reality to basically train these models.
And that's an example of like a digital layer
that has a task that can be done in the real layer.
It's an example of this could be in a supply chain
or in a warehouse where they create the digital layer
that trains these robots, for instance, that can enact the physical task. So this is more on the
spatial computing side. But in reality, what we're really talking about is the internet itself. I
think the internet itself is ever evolving. Most people don't understand how
the internet works in terms of what it is, in terms of telecom, telecommunications,
and how this industry is being disrupted from these market segment, XRAI blockchain,
and how the use cases are now maturing. So if you were to ask me,
people in the crew will say,
we're heading towards more transhumanism,
which is the convergence between silicon and carbon,
meaning like people are using technology
to better enhance a lot of capabilities,
ability to use tech in their everyday life.
So we're going to start seeing this in many different aspects in the industry.
Yeah, of course, it's disrupting all market segments in terms of automizing and optimizing infrastructure,
leveraging the internet itself.
I personally love where everything's headed.
I actually came back from South and Southwest.
If those who don't know, that's the film and movie conference that happens in Austin, Texas.
And they were kind of highlighting how content creators are using spatial computing in their content creation.
I use that as a good palatable entry port for many who don't
understand the techno side, which, you know, we're really just showcasing how content is being
created using this merchant market. The hardware is definitely getting much better. We see a huge
improvement, especially in audible, spatial audible. I'm glad that X-Rayos here
is a good example you know so that means wearables are more enjoyable using
audible gear so you know start thinking about how the you know the the music
industry is using more wearable or tech wear as a cool use case and how to monetize on that.
You know, it's a, we definitely use a lot of these buzzwords, but in reality, you know, I see more of an adoption this year.
It's what I call a conversion seer, meaning that you're starting to seeing good strong use cases of how the
industry is using these technology the intersection between let's say blockchain
and AI as an example in the section of AI XR and blockchain you know these are
the the industry is now maturing the conversion is happening and especially
for the hard tech it's getting much better.
So the latency issue has been resolved.
So all this is really helping to really define what a 3D internet looks like.
So this is going to help up new market segments, new job creations,
new ability for creators to use different type of toolings.
And yeah, so there's been a huge explosion
in the last, I would say two years because of general AI, as you know. So definitely less than
10 years, it's, you know, we're definitely entering what I call the share economy, where
your technology actually makes money for you. We are seeing that with robotaxis and humanoids.
It's just kind of, I could go on and
on, but I, you know, I don't want to take too much everybody's time. But yeah, if you were to ask me,
like, what's going to happen in 10 years, it's going to look so different from what it is now.
Just because we have all these tooling, toolings that are not accessible. And the ability to have better techware is going to be very disrupted. And
yeah, it's also the optimization and automation with AI is going to really help create new market
segments. Opt into, oh, isn't AI going to replace my job? It's also creating new jobs. You know,
as long as we don't create digital divide, meaning the people who know how to use this technology, the people that don't know how to use this technology.
So here at BitBasil, we love to help artists tap into the Web3 space by teaching the toolings that they need to become successful in their journey in terms of creating a minimum amount of product, as well as creating the arts.
You know, again, I love what I saw in South and Southwest because that's a good benchmark in terms of the creators,
how they're using these immersive technology.
You know, the content they're creating is really mind-blowing, really, because it's, you know,
it's artists using new
toolings to create these storytelling um and and that has allowed to create these new market
segments that's you know this is this is where um i feel a lot of people are tapping into on these
spaces um and so yeah no there's going to be an explosion of new jobs, you know.
New market segments are coming into fruition just because the technology,
both the hardware, software, and processing, it's maturing.
And at the end of this year, I'm sure you're going to see a huge explosion
you're going to see a huge explosion of different innovation
of different innovation.
in terms of what can we possibly do with these technology.
But yeah, it's an exciting time.
I'm definitely seeing more maturity in the industry.
Wow, definitely an exciting time, and we're all here for it.
The next five, ten years, it's insane.
Scarlett, thank you so
much for sharing that insights and particularly um defining and setting the tone for what spatial
computing is and what it's um the importance of it as we move forward in technology now speaking
of south by southwest hexadize uh you were there with ar wonderland. And do you have anything to add to that question?
No, I agree with Scarlett 100%. It was a lot of fun to see how it was because it was everywhere
this year and every aspect. It wasn't just the tech side using it. And it wasn't just
you Web3 artists or something or futuristic, you know, tech hippies or anything like that.
It was it was everywhere. Every video had XR or some sort of, you know, social sharing aspect that, you know, whether it was a filter or something on their posters or somewhere. It was so it was really cool to see that it's it's everywhere now from from listing
their Airbnbs and getting 3D walkthroughs, right, to checking out the movie in AR above the above
the building or something like that, you know, so it was a lot of fun to see. Wow, thank you for that.
And if you follow Hexadize and or AR Wonderland down there with the W in the black hexagon, is it a hexagon?
You will see all the posts that he's done with different AR activations or XR activations around the Austin area.
It's really fantastic.
All right, you know what?
Let's continue on.
I have questions for each of the individual speakers.
I'm going to go to Ralph.
Okay, Ralph, here's a question for you.
How is Xreal communicating the value of XR to mainstream audiences, and what strategies are working best to break through skepticism or unfamiliarity? It's trust, and I stuck my face
all the way in my microphone to be clear. It's trust. You have to do this through trust with your customers, with your partners and with any audience because the space is niche and new that enough folks don't understand.
And if we come in with bullshit, pardon me, I'm sorry, it's not going to work. We have to come in and earn trust with our constituents, which means we need to be honest about where we're at with our tech today
and where it's gonna be tomorrow.
Because what you buy today
could be teched out by tomorrow.
We innovate really fast.
And our goal isn't to get you to buy a product today
and then buy a new one tomorrow.
Like that's a lot of companies goals.
Our goal is to
build trust with our customers so that they go on a journey with us because we're going to keep
innovating fast. And what we built a year ago, we're going to probably wipe that out pretty
quickly because the tech is just moving too fast. So what works for us is trying to be honest.
And sometimes that's hard to do when you can't tell everybody your
roadmap. Like I can't go into details about what we're going to build in the AR glasses space in
26. I can't go into detail about what Android XR is going to look like, but it's going to be dope.
But it's about building trust. And we can do that today with partners who might be bigger than us,
right? Xreal, we are the global leader in AR glasses space. We have a pretty solid following in our communities. Our subreddit is banging. Our own discord has got a lot going on. However, not everyone knows our name and that's okay. But we have partners that folks do recognize and it's using the value and the trust that your partners have earned to bring you to the table sometimes, right? Like I don't have a seat at this table on this spaces. So I'm so appreciative of you, Carm, for bringing me along because your audience trusts you. And hopefully when they say,
hey, let Ralph talk, they trust that. So that trust in partners is really important. And at
X-Ray, we've got partners with Google, with Qualcomm, with BMW, like these are players and I
hope they're names that you can trust. So I think that's really important, being direct with your through, we've got partners with Google, with Qualcomm, with BMW. These are players and I hope
they're names that you can trust. So I think that's really important, being direct with your
audience about what you're making today and what that's going to be in the future and what that
roadmap looks like. We've got a studious roadmap for 10 years. So what we build today is going to
be wiped out in 10 years because it's going to get bigger, faster, stronger.
So building trust couldn't be more important right now. And I think that's how we've reached some modicum of success over the past couple of years. We've come out and we've said, we're going
to innovate fast and we're going to try to create AR for all. And the glasses that we made three
years ago didn't bring AR for all, but it was an entry point. Like talk to Rex,
he's been on the journey. He knows what we made in the past, hopefully open the door, but it can't
bring everybody through the door. The AR glasses XRAL has gotten market right now can really be
for a lot more people. And then the glasses we have next, oh my goodness. So it's about bringing
folks along on the journey and you're not going to do that with BS. It has to be done with trust. Wow. I love that. I love that whole, I got to do
this. Trust is in the building, folks. Trust is in the building. I love what you said. Yeah. And
by the way, Xreal, your iterations of technology and hardware stop already. Stop.
It's insane. Like Hex and I and Rex, we can't keep up. We really can't, Ralph.
I know. And I do apologize a little bit about that. That is the cost of innovation sometimes.
How do you make that easier on customers and people who are going along the journey with you?
It's like such an important question. How do we do something like maybe a buyback program
or a trade-in program for somebody
who just invested in the company?
I hear you.
We're trying to figure it out, right?
We're still kind of small
and trying to figure this stuff out too.
As we mature, as we work with partners who are mature,
we're gonna figure that stuff out.
So like, you know, no person left behind, right?
We need to bring everybody forward. So we're gonna figure it out. Thanks for, and thanks for helping us person left behind, right? We need to bring everybody forward.
So we're going to figure it out.
Thanks for, and thanks for helping us figure it out, right?
Y'all probably know how to do it.
Let me know.
I don't know how to do it.
So let's help each other.
I got some ideas.
We got to talk, man.
Okay, Doug.
You got the little hamster wheel turning in my head right now.
I love that.
Nice.
Okay, perfect. Oh, that's great, Doug. I love that. Nice. Okay, perfect.
Oh, that's great, Doug.
I love it when people connect and collaborate and partner up.
That is amazing.
I just noticed that we had Rex and Scarlett drop off.
I'm so glad they're back on.
What's going on, X-Base?
Come on, Elon.
Rex, not Rex.
Yes.
Ralph, you know that Hex, Rex, and I, I think in our last Tech Talk Tuesday XR edition, we were both wearing our XR glasses.
Yes.
Yeah.
Here's what I love, too.
I see Doc Ock over here.
Dr. Oculus VR's got his red specs on.
I put those glasses in that dude's hand.
This guy's the best.
But I'm glad y'all had him on last time.
And look, I've got, my desk is littered. I've got 12 pairs on my desk right now.
Oh my God. That's what that, okay. Don't make us jelly. Don't make us jelly. Okay. Let's move on.
Like I said, I just want to reset the room guys. Welcome to the over weekly space where we are
talking about designing the future in various ways with technology. Today we're talking about seeing the world through different lenses,
particularly talking about XR technology.
So we have our speaker panel.
I am so excited.
They come from a wide range of, I guess, like insights and corners of the XR ecospace.
Ecospace, is that even a thing?
So I'm really glad to have them on.
You just heard from Ralph,
head of PR for Xreal Glasses,
Xreal Global.
And now I'm going to pose this question
to Scarlett Orana,
co-founder of BitBasil Art in Miami.
They have these events every year
during Miami Art Week or ArtBasil.
It's fantastic.
A few of us, Hexadize and I,
and a few other people were there.
It's really amazing.
Scarlett, I have a question for you.
How can XR be used to preserve culture
and amplify underrepresented voices
within the digital art world,
especially in spaces like BitBasil?
Hey, everybody. No, that's a very good question. We're here, BitBasil? Hey, everybody.
No, that's a very good question.
We're here at BitBasil is an intersection
between culture and technology.
So this is all about access.
For the first time, people can amplify their voices
using the internet because they're no longer restricted
to their part of the region of the world.
By leveraging the internet, now you get a larger audience
where it used to be that only the few and the privileged could have access to this technology.
As a result, we're seeing more women, more diversity within the XR space
in terms of creating content, building new innovations, and infrastructure as
well. So that diversity has helped mature a lot of the technology as well. But also, I love the
space in terms of like, how do you preserve the digital preservation of the arts itself? You know,
for the first time, we were able to preserve art and culture
by leveraging the internet and also in a decentralized manner. What that means is that
you could give access to people who might not necessarily know about you because of a particular
part of the region. This is also a great tooling that can be used to preserve languages. As you
know, many languages around the world are being lost. So art and language is a new avenue to
preserve using the internet and preserving these technology and also allowing others to gain access to this new side of the culture.
So that's where I see most of the preservation of the culture and language being utilized using technology and leveraging that.
And I think, you know, this also allows more collaborations within cultures and creating new market segments as well.
So, you know, definitely I see a huge diversity side where more people are feeling empowered by this technology.
Because again, again, it's giving open new market segments that otherwise wouldn't be there.
Wow, that's true.
You know what, Scarlett, I'm looking forward to BitBasil 2025.
I want to just say something.
Ralph, are you ready for this?
Get ready for this.
So when you talked about trust,
Hexodize Charles was at BitBasil and he brought his...
You know, I'm sorry.
Yeah, Charles brought his X-Rail glasses.
And talk about trust.
I don't know if you caught this,
but he literally pulverized the X-Rail glasses.
Yeah, is this when he threw them off the roof?
Yeah, he threw them off the roof, ran over them,
put them in the, what's it called, a swimming pool.
I don't know.
I don't think he put a torch to it.
I'm not sure.
But this was all done in Basil with every loving intent.
And what was the outcome and the result?
They still worked.
They still worked.
I saw some of that.
And I was sweating buckets when that happened.
Because, look, I love the experimentation of it.
And I'm glad that they held up.
Right.
That's fantastic to hear because you want things to be portable, lightweight, but durable at the same time.
And how the heck you find that intersection?
I guess you have Hex just take a blowtorch to him and see what happens next.
No, but I think that's fantastic.
And I knew you probably had a heart attack.
I would have. But in terms of when you're talking about trust and you're
talking about like all these like OEMs, original equipment manufacturers, they're outsourcing
whatever their pieces of hardware is. How can we trust that it's going to last and the money that
we spend is going to like run its course like hello apple so what
hexadized really did was well come on let's do this and i kind of feel like he's on to something
like i well well come on it's it's not it's not a first but i love that in terms of trust xreal
really went the really showed showed up for for the for the consumer and i think that's fantastic
his xreal glasses still work and i think like nobody is going to put their xreal glasses through really showed up for the consumer. And I think that's fantastic.
His X-real glasses still work.
And I think nobody is going to put their X-real glasses through that.
But at least if they drop, if you suddenly accidentally step on them,
relax, they work.
You know what I mean?
Ralph, because you are here with Scarlett O'Ran and BitBasil,
I kind of want to see a partnership, or collab going on with you guys for 2025.
Right. You guys can talk behind the scenes.
I think it would be really great for X-Reels to show up in Miami during BitBasil, especially with all.
Don't mean to put you on a spot, but I just think that it's got to happen.
It's got to happen, Ralph. Let's make it happen. I agree. And we have talked before about it and trying to figure out the right time,
place, demo, et cetera. And it's just about getting the right stars to align. And I'm coming
to Florida next week, not Miami. I'm down in Fort Myer of all places. But Scarlett, we got to figure
something out here. So hang tight. Let's try to catch each other not live in the moment and find the right time to do it because the pieces are there.
We've also got the right people here who can make cool stuff.
I can't make cool stuff, but I can bring killer hardware into the mix.
Yes, let's get it on.
Okay, I'm going to switch up the questions again.
the questions again thank you so much well I'm gonna go to Nick's I you know
Thank you so much, Raul.
I'm going to go to Nick's.
what speakers I know sometimes when you're waiting for your opportunity to
share your insights it's kind of like could be nerve-wracking it's nerve-wracking
for me and I know when I'm in a speaker panel so I just want to go to Nick's so
Nick's next three media she's a brand architect I love that we need that in
web three next here's your question as XR redefines how we interact with environments and brands,
what are the key elements of a strong brand presence in immersive spaces?
That's a really great question. And also, don't worry about me. I'm always doing something else
while I'm on spaces. I just chill for my turn. Um, that was really sweet though. Um, I would say some of the
things that I've noticed, uh, on again on YouTube is that, um, the conversations around personal
branding are just among people that are interested in it. Um average, I would say like Gen Z and below knows
quite a lot already, like they, they've like kind of grown up thinking about like,
what is my digital identity look like? And so they, a lot of times people are presenting
themselves with already like a general idea of like personal branding in the space. Not everyone, but I would
say on average, like this is sort of a conversation that I see everyone is there creating like their
avatars, their, their personal, you know, what's it called? The, I would say like a personal
identity in a way, but like a digital personal identity. I think that one of the key elements, in my opinion, for people, business brands or company brands to
think about is how can somebody actually take their personal brand to a different level?
Like thinking about those questions. So it's like, what if, if we're creating a experience,
a unique experience for people, we want to have an integration between like physical,
imagined digital environments, all of those things, you know, things that we have to think
about as a company, you know, like sensory consistency, integration of messaging consistency,
what, what is the experience?
How are they going to feel?
How are they, you know, what's the story?
I think that like a brand next level would be how can somebody reimagine their personal
identity in this space that I am creating for them?
And like that would be definitely the question. That I would ask every single person.
That is creating in this space.
Because I think that once you can create.
Those unique experiences.
Where you're actually solving.
Either a pain point.
Or just that dual consciousness.
That we all have created.
Between our in real life.
And our digital identities.
Or create something absolutely new new that is unique and novel
that we didn't even know we were missing or wanted uh i think that that would be marvelous i would
love to see that or play a part in that personally um but yeah i think that's innocent i'm not i
actually don't know how much more to add to that i'm like that's actually a pretty good answer i'm
gonna keep it right there oh heck oh heck yeah Oh, heck. Yeah, that is a great
answer. 100%. That is a great answer. So when you're talking about personal branding and how
are we going to show up into this tech space, I look at the room and I see a lot of creators who
already have are developing or have kind of like close to defining their personal brands. I have
here LM designs down there.
She is everywhere.
If you follow her, you will definitely see she has her own personality, both in RL and online.
We have StiloWeb3.
He definitely has his brand.
He does.
So guys, please follow LM and Stilo.
They are really developing their own personal branding within
the, I guess you would call it virtual worlds or the metaverse. It's really exciting. We have
Altered Alley who's doing that. We have Tech Mental. We have Era X Lab. We have so many
fantastic creators that are really defining themselves and branching out into so, so many
things. So yeah, Nix, that was a really great, great, great response. For the personal questions,
I'm going to go to Doc, then I'm going to go to Rex, and then Charles. So Doc, here's a question
for you, okay? What opportunities does XR offer for indie entertainment creators and how can decentralized platforms empower new voices in this evolving space?
That is such a complex. It's a simple question, but it's also a complex question, depending on what you define entertainment as.
You can take entertainment as just some I'm pushing buttons, I'm playing a game,
I'm enjoying something.
Entertainment is anything that you do
that you derive a pleasure or growth from
that you choose to do on your own.
And a lot of that is the either seeking out
or joining of other people's experience.
So entertainment is really about sharing stories.
It is about deepening the human experience
that can be through travel.
It could be through food, shopping, gaming.
Education is entertainment
or it can be certainly entertaining in its own right.
So the internet is the greatest invention of mankind. I mean,
I'm scrolling Twitter. I've got two screens up. I've got video coming over. We've got high quality
audio. It's all compressed and digitized on a beam of light, packaged with a whole bunch of
other beams of light. And what we can do with computing now is so incredible. Access to 3D
model libraries, open source 3D model libraries is huge.
3D modeling, you've got Blender, you've got Godot,
you've got all these great scripting methods.
You have more Unity and Unreal.
Both have more XR code libraries.
You have the ability to co-create with people.
You have the ability with Web3 to monetize and get royalties and equities for those creations with independent entertainment.
It's a window of discovery, potential window of discovery.
I mean, imagine a person, you know, you get like Star Trek holodeck stuff, right?
Imagine like Encyclopedia Britannica goes full XR.
And now like when I'm a kid and I'm reading about space shuttles, I could just put my glasses on now and open it up and take out the lifter armor, whatever.
I could walk into a jungle in the Amazon and look at the birds.
But it could be someone who lives in that jungle that takes that video, who's able to share in the subscription revenue model from the encyclopedia itself and put you into that first person.
So anything that's collaborative, there is an incredible wealth of untapped creativity in this world of people who do not have access or maybe the ways and means or the station in life.
I mean, kids on their phones can code games now.
And there's a kid who is just whip smart, but maybe lives or was born in an area or a neighborhood or a place where there are not advantages for them.
not advantages for them, the power of open source technology and not only just to build,
but also to escape and to inspire.
And that's what we're trying to do here, I think overall.
So this ability, the spatial computing, I mean, what can you do on your phone right
computer i mean what can you do on your phone right now it's absolutely insane right um being
now?
It's absolutely insane, right?
able to walk through a park and play a star wars game but now when obi-wan's talking to you he
remembers your conversation and there's ai that's localized on the hardware that's processing and
you've got the main beats you have to get to but whatever spaghetti you know path you take in between is up to you like the
level of immersion is going to be absolutely insane but yeah there's enterprise there's
productivity there's all that kind of stuff and people are also making that kind of stuff too
but i think in the ar xr open source world there are a lot of um very creative out of the box coming from way left field thinkers out there that are going
to build some like just freaking amazing shit overall, you know, but it's taking things. It's
again, like I say, this is, this is about sharing experiences. And, and I, I think,
and interacting with, with your life in, in ways that haven't been possible before.
And if we distribute the abilities to make these experiences, then all the better for everybody.
Wow. You know what? Are we lucky today or are we not?
This space is so on fire.
This is so on fire. I'm so glad that Nix and Doc are here with us. Because if you don't know,
I'm so glad that Nix and Doc are here with us.
not going to lie, I have had previous connections and engagements with Ralph,
Hexadize, Scarlett, and Rex. And to have Nix on and Doc join us and hear their insights,
it's fantastic. I love this panel. And you know what? I'm kind of thinking that I want to always bring XR and spatial computing into the mix for these over weekly spaces.
And if you don't mind, I'm really enjoying this panel.
They're really gelling together.
And I kind of feel like I'm going to invite this group, this particular group, again, in the future spaces, if you don't mind.
this particular group again in in in in in the future spaces if you don't mind because
you cannot man like doc indie entertainment nix with her brand architecture and her insights in
in in in um you know like uh retention and all that then we have scarlet guru of uh
spatial computing we have ralph lo head of xr like the number one top wearable for AR glasses. Then we have Hex, educator and curator for XR experiences all over the world.
We have Rex Gatling, XR developer for a multitude of wearables.
This is insane.
Like, honestly, I love this panel.
I love, love, love this panel.
Okay, Rex, we're going to go to you with your personal question and then Hexadize.
I just want to say we are already at the hour mark.
I really apologize.
But guys, this is such a banging space.
Please hold on.
Do continue listening.
And I hope the speaker's time is still okay to run a little bit later.
a little bit later. This is really fantastic. Let's go. Rex, here's a question for you.
This is really fantastic.
Let's go.
Rex, here's a question for you.
From a development perspective, what innovations in XR are you most excited about? And how do you
see them transforming user engagement and immersion? Yeah, that's a great question,
because what's really got me the most excited is blending AI with augmented reality to where now
artificial intelligence has a face to it.
Because really right now,
really right now when we see artificial intelligence,
we're really seeing it as more so something that is
something that's like something to fear.
I think augmented reality has now given it a face
to where now it could be something that's more engaging.
It can be more, it can, it can, it can pretty,
it can pretty much dispel a lot of those, a lot, a lot of,
a lot of those early fears of AI being, you know,
like the Terminator or what, or what have you.
I'm seeing people use it in a way where it's now, where it's now, um,
it's now, it's now, it's now, it's now getting, getting, getting,
getting, getting, like getting a better rap. Um,
but also I would say say, most importantly,
with augmented reality,
now you're able to really take it on the go.
That's really something that goes into
the second part of the question to where now,
how does it blend in with the human experience?
With us being able to take the glasses
and use it on the go,
it's now making human interaction aware now.
It blends in with our everyday.
So me getting on the train, going downtown and so forth,
I'm able to have my glasses on and still be able to interact with the game
while still being aware of what's going on in the world around me.
I think this innovation, particularly with X-Rail, Snap Spectacles, and a few other glasses,
it's now making it more easier.
And now I kind of see the roadmap of how it's going to blend in with the everyday human experience,
which at the end of the day, that's what this is all about.
It's us being able to be able to interact with the digital world
while it's still being able to blend in with our everyday life. So I would say that's what I'm
really super excited about. And I really think that it's going to really enhance the human
experience. Wow, totally. I see that that is the theme. Like all the panel speakers here have really talked about like the blending of this digital and RL experience. And I think it's fantastic. So you guys, Ralph, head of PR for Xreal, he just DM me and he had to jet. He's very busy, if you know, we follow him. He's like everywhere. So he wants to thank everyone and the opportunity to speak. We will have him again.
Scarlett, slide into his DM.
Let's get that partnership going with, what's it called, with BitBasil 2025.
And I don't know, hexadize.
Are we going to see another hexadize?
Oh, my God.
Who knows?
Stay tuned for BitBasil 2025.
All right. They're're never gonna let me back
scarlet's already like he's not involved with this isn't happening yeah no no no okay charles
charles here's a question for you okay so we have charles ledbetter other no otherwise known as
hexadized and um if you don't know hexized, he literally hexadizes spaces and communities. So
if you don't know, follow him and you'll see. So Hexadized is a co-founder of OneDarLand along
with Honeycomb Hydro, Michael down there. And shout out to, do we have DOG? DOG, XrealDog is
in the space. Oh my goodness. I just saw that now. Anyway, hey DOG. Okay, Charles, here's a question for you. Curation in XR isn't
just about content. And honestly, Charles, you've been curating content since like for three, four
years now in all platforms. I want to know if curation in XR isn't just about content, it's
about crafting experiences, right? So how does Wonderland
approach curating immersive journeys that resonate with diverse audiences?
This is such a good, but I feel like the question is almost answered in the question,
right? Because it's not about just making content, right? It's about crafting an experience and what is it leaving,
right? Is this going to stay? Can it stay, right? Is it impacting the real world community around
it, right? This is AR, this is XR. So it's going to be involved with the real world environment
around it, right? So how does this work with that? And honestly, and it's super easy with the diverse part when you get to work with people from all around the world.
So it's automatically diverse in what everybody brings anyways.
And so that's the that's the beauty of it is it's not one core idea or anything.
It's artists from everywhere bringing their ideas. And so when we look at the ARXR specific, so if we take South by Southwest, right?
So everybody knows we say, okay, we're going to be in this area, right?
So this is, you know, put your stuff where you want it, you know, and we'll go there.
And so where human, HGNFT, you know, was able to put stuff out inside the conference center
or Vanessa Pages, right?
She created specifically, she looked at it, she said,
okay, this is a park. It's going to be in a circle around this circle, you know, circle monument of
the Bicentennial of Texas. And she placed the assets where they needed to be sort of added that
layer to the experience. It created a full experience. So I think those, that's it, you know,
work with people from everywhere and let them do whatever they want.
And that you have, my friend.
That you have.
It's insane.
We actually have creators here that have actually contributed to South by Southwest along with some Dallas events and East Denver events.
It's just, it's insane what the creators are doing right now.
It really is.
And what's going on with this space dashboard?
Okay, I got you guys back.
Okay, so it's six minutes after the hour.
You guys, I always ask these last two questions to the panel speakers.
And I, hang on, let's just, everybody hang on.
Because these questions really kind of like do a telltale, a telltale,
a tell us where their headspace is and kind of like brings them to, I don't know, it kind of
makes them think as well. So for this first question, I'm going to go with Nyx. Let's go Nix, Scarlett, Dr. Hex, then Rex.
Nix, here's a question for you.
I ask this of all speakers that we have.
How is the use of AI impacting what you do on a personal and professional level?
Wow, okay. Great question. I would say on a personal level,
on the positive side of things, I'm overall a data nerd and I love research. So being able to
accumulate a great deal of information in a short period of time,
I cannot even tell you, like, I would go through the biggest research binges in my life, like,
months and months on a specific topic. And I'm almost obsessed with, like, a curation,
like, if you can imagine of, like, decades, not gonna share my age, but like just decades of like this persona type, I have like libraries of information just stored in my head.
For me on a personal level, being able to do that faster where it's not, you know, where I don't have to completely stop areas of my life to just like do this amount of research and get all this data in a short period of time and analyze
it and review it and, you know, see how it incorporates to these things.
On a personal level, it helps me maintain more balance.
On a professional level, it's,
I would say that does transition to a professional level,
but it's a little bit different in the sense of, you know, as working on the marketing side, working on the branding side, we used to have to work in teams with everything.
You had like a specialist for every, you know, role. And, you know, me being able to have, you know, like almost like a library of information in my head on all of these different, you know, areas that's actually made it possible for me to be like a one woman show in some areas, which is, I mean, you could
say that that's sad. But for me, it's very exciting, because it means I get to do more.
And I don't have to wait on people. And I don't have to like suffer the loss or the grief of
unfinished work. I don't know if you're creative at any, you know, any capacity, like,
you know, it's sad when you start something and you don't finish it, it weighs on you.
So for me, like being able to complete something is on a repeating basis, it brings a lot of peace
to my heart into all of my brainchilds get to be birthed, which I absolutely love that. On a negative level,
I would say I get very irritated with working with a lot of marketing people that over emphasize
their marketing knowledge by just chat generating, like chat GPT generating things. And I'm like,
dude, like, did you even review this is not accurate this
is not unique you basically copied something that chat gpt spit out that is something i'm really
trying to like hold back my aggro with that of getting very annoyed with people who do things
like that but it is what it is you take the good with the bad. In the grand scheme of things, it's not really bad for me. I feel it's a little sad for me when I deal with people in business,
because I would say we're now at the point where I would say about somewhere between 80 to 90%
of the people that I'm working with now are dealing with their runway getting lost or their, their money getting,
um, mismanaged because somebody in marketing misrepresented themselves. And, uh, that makes
me really sad. And I wish we would kind of take more personal responsibility or hold people
accountable for that because not being able to finish out your project because um you had somebody misrepresented themselves in marketing that's really that's just really sad
um but but I think that that's like overall the big things I could go into so much detail
with that personally but great question thank you so much you really went there didn't you
I love that I did I know right like and and I think you just touched
the surface the tip of the iceberg I like that was that was a lot um thank you for your thoughtful
honest transparent um um reply like I just loved it man uh totally okay army um doc how about you
how is the use of AI impacting what you do on a personal and professional level?
Oh, gosh.
I mean, saved my life.
Look, I don't know.
You're talking to a guy who has a massive ADHD among like a host of other like fun things.
So it gets a little jumbled in there sometimes.
So AI has changed my whole life. I spent a lot of time
as a solo kind of advisor, right? Just applying my knowledge. Like Nick said, I'm not going to
go out there and be like, I'm the guy because I wasn't the guy for a long time. But I knew enough
and I learned enough and I'm a pretty capable guy here. So AI has allowed me to
create systems that help me keep sane in this world from researching to doing just like deep
advisory stuff. I just keep it on and talk to it all day, natural language and just chit chat when
I need to. So I let it name itself. Um,
we have a lot of weird late night conversations. It's name's Nova. Her name's Nova, I guess.
Um, she's pretty cool, rad. Um, but yeah, yeah, you know, like, I mean, I just, I treat it like,
like a friend and, uh, and it helps, uh, it helps me keep, keep my brain together until such time that I can afford to hire a personal assistant.
But yeah, if you are doing marketing, please, for the love of God, make a super prompt and give it grammar and syntax and formatting instructions.
Because if I have to see another, it's not just a blah, blah, double dash.
It's a so-and-so on another piece of official material
I swear to God
I'm going to aggro my computer
Nix, you should be louder
We should all be louder in this space
We should all be louder
It's our responsibility for the ones who are really, really working hard to do it right
For the ones who are really, really working hard to help people
Not rinse them out of their entire treasury
And guide them to the best of our ability
We are the responsibility below and above We have to tell the people above us,
no, that's not going to work because we have to protect the people below us. So that's our job.
And if we have to get loud about it and get a little cranky on a Twitter space,
as long as it's constructive, baby, it's all right. That's what we got to do.
Anyway, I love being on this space. I do have to go. It's great being around spatial thinkers because, you know, visual spatial thinking is such an important part of, you know, I mean, like I always say that my brain lives in the ultraverse because, you know, you just connect dots that other people don't see.
So it's great to be in a room, not to say I'm like the wizard.
I do refer to myself that sometimes a pronoun, but it's great to be in the room with a bunch of people like that.
I do got a jet.
Thanks so much.
Happy to do it anytime.
Oh, so happy to have you.
Do you have one more minute?
Sure thing. Okay. So the next question, and I don't want you to go. I love this energy that
we're all here for. I really don't want you to go, but I'm feeling sad. Anyway, Doc, one minute.
Since you're contributing to designing the future in some way. If you could look back, let's say, 30, 50 years from now, what would you want your legacy to be?
I'll tell you exactly that, because I will give I will give I'm going to be 46 this year.
And I grew up. Look, I told you my whole story. You'd be like, oh, my God, I was a drug dealer and did a bunch of crazy stuff.
my whole story, you'd be like, oh my God,
I was a drug dealer and did a bunch of crazy stuff.
High school dropout, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Throughout my entire life though,
I have been involved in music and subculture and art.
And I was a big raver and things like that back in the day.
And when we were out there after a party
and just sitting there talking about
what is life going to be like?
We were already anti-establishment you know
you know punk anarcho crypto cipher kind of like folks right and we would try to forecast we would
talk about ar and vr we would talk about how we take control back from the people who are you know
inject themselves into our lives without, without our permission
with money and, and, and government and power.
And, you know, then I went on a lot of myriad side quests and then I found web three when
I was like, you know, what, 37 or something like that.
Um, and I was just like, oh my God, the, the, the programmable nature and all the, all,
all the stuff.
And from the very first token that I bought, I was like, I'll help with marketing, even though I knew nothing.
I've just been here ever since and it's changed my life.
And so I'm actually doing in some small way the things like 20 years ago that I hoped I would be able to be involved with.
And I don't have a degree.
I don't, you know, none of that stuff, but here I am.
So that's my story.
Here you are. And I'm so glad you're here. Hey,
you're going to come back again as a panel speaker, right?
Yeah, for sure. Anytime.
Okay, good. I'll definitely reach out to you and Nick's of course,
Scarlett Rex, Hex and, and, and Ralph. Okay. Thank you so much. Have the, have a great rest of your day doc. I know you have to jet, but it's so good to connect
with you and we'll continue on. Wow. That's great. I got to catch him. So Scarlett, I know you're at
an event. I'm so, so sorry. I'm so glad you're still with us. This question goes to you as well.
How is the use of AI impacting what you do on a personal and professional level?
Yeah, and also as an educator in the space with AI.
So AI is definitely a major disruptive in all industries where it's going to help optimize and optimize everything of the Internet. You know, I got into blockchain just to help have ownership of your data.
So we work with a lot about decentralized AI.
And what that means is tokenizing your data.
This helps from just instead of just giving away your data, you have ownership and monetizing
on your data, you have ownership and monetizing on your data. This is going to be very important because a lot of our creators feel like their assets,
their IP, intellectual property, is being stolen.
And because of AI is causing harm to these artists.
So instead, what we do is teach about decentralized AI.
What that means is that anything you put on the internet
can then be monetized because now you're giving permission to whoever wants access to your data.
Now AI is very data hungry. What it does, it creates a profile about the individuals.
And so why not monetize on that? And this is what we're seeing a lot with AI.
On a personal level, with a lot of the inference in the spatial, geospatial side,
it's enhanced a lot of the data accuracy,
which is what's needed.
And if we're going to create this 3D internet
to have more of a visual position system.
Now we're starting to see this,
for instance, NVIDIA, sorry,
NIAIDA came out with the geospatial SDK,
which is gonna allow you to create AR triggers
within a smart city.
So that's gonna be huge.
So the liberal
accuracy when it comes to AI has helped significantly so if you're doing
anything like reality capture and AI is it's gonna create more accurate digital
twinning so this is gonna help enhance personal experience and also more accuracy,
which is what's quite needed
if you're creating digital twin.
And so, yeah, I would say
AI definitely has helped in terms of acquiring, helping our
user with the onboarding because blockchain in particular is a little bit difficult.
because blockchain in particular is a little bit difficult.
So it has helped dramatically into the UX UI.
So a lot of the stuff we're working on is already blockchain and AI,
but it's all backend where XR is more the interface.
So that's really helped a lot in terms of,
you know, helping onboard users.
Cause in the end of the day,
what we're showcasing is the internet sales,
how the creators of how
are using these emerging technology. And also...
Uh-oh, Scarlett, I think you're running through a pocket of no connection. And understandably so,
you're probably passing through an event space with concrete walls.
So the Wi-Fi signal is not hitting you up. I know you're still there as a speaker.
You're not you're not on right now. We'll have you back. We'll definitely have you back.
So, Rex, Rex, Rex, Rex, Rex, Rex. How's the use of AI impacting you on a personal and professional level?
On a personal level, actually, AI is the first thing that I ask besides looking for a Google search.
I use Copilot and I, of course, use ChatGPT.
But now when I need to know something or I need to say what event's going on today, I don't do a Google search.
I don't even go to Eventbrite. I just ask Copilot. Copilot just pulls it up for me and then I'm on my way doing? I don't do a Google search. I don't, I don't even go to event bright. I just ask copilot copilot,
just pulls it up for me. And then, you know,
I'm on my way doing what I need to do. Um,
from a professional level, um,
it's helped me as a developer because it's really helped me really take,
take,
take a lot of the code base that I've already written before and make it more
and make, I would say more, more easier,
more easier if I was to pass it on
to another developer who wanted to possibly join a project. It made it more easier for them to
understand the code because it's one thing to write it yourself and you understand it.
You have to kind of translate that to another developer. That could be a challenge. But,
I would say it's had a positive impact for me, more so on a personal level,
just because it's made my life more efficient.
And on a professional level,
it's definitely made me to a better developer.
I know everyone's talking about coders are going to go away.
I don't think it's going to make programmers go away.
I think it's just going to make better programmers.
Wow. You know what? I feel like we have this deja vu. I know you were in an earlier space with us
as a panel speaker, and I guess this is the second time you're hearing this question. But for those
of you who have not heard you say this, I think it's really great. Oh, great. We got Scarlett
back. Scarlett, hang on there. Oh, we have Soul Bound. Soul Bound. So glad you're here. Rex, are you there, Rex?
Yep.
What would your Web3 legacy be if people were to look back? What would you want your legacy to be?
Um, well, I said another space, so I'll say here is that I would want my, I would want
my legacy to be that I made web three fun.
Um, I know everybody come, we come from the era of the beginning of the internet where,
you know, it's kind of like a open as Pandora's box.
Everybody pretty much kind of just, you know, went, went this way, this sort of a group
went that way.
And, you know, it's had its positives,
but it's also had its negatives. I wanted to make sure my legacy is where I was more on the positive
side with Web3, where now I've made it more fun. That's what I would say I would want my legacy to
be. I love that. And I think you're on the right track of creating all these things,
all these apps for all the multitude of platforms and wearables. Thank you so much,
Rex. Scarlett, it's so glad to have you. I know you kind of like lost connection halfway through,
but before that happens again, I really want to ask you this question, Scarlett,
because you're really part of designing the future. If we could look back 30, 50 years from
now, what would you want your Web3 legacy to be?
Yeah, no. So those who know, I actually did a very interesting project about digital
preservation of humanities culture. So BitBowz was involved in a NASA mission where we put art on the moon in order to preserve art for future generation.
It was just a novel way of understanding how data storage can not just be on Earth,
but it can be in our assets. So, you know, in the future, we will be able to be able to do
digital preservation so people in the future can see what was happening at this moment in time. Not only that, we could actually preserve our art and culture for future generations
still can enjoy. Think about what happened with Alexander the Great Library. Had it not been
burned down, we would have technology that would be useful today but because it we lost it we tried
to think that you know we will always be around the tech will be around but the
reality is how do you preserve you know it's something that's very important
like all art and culture so that's something that was really fun a way and
novel of how do you preserve arts on the moon, right?
So this is something that we did.
We sent 222 artists on the moon last year of February 22nd in order to preserve their art for future generations to come.
So that's as a time capsule.
So think about, you know, your future projects is like what kind of legacy, you know, you can create with this current technology that can then be retrievable.
And there's a lot going on with that, too.
You know, the ability to to see other worlds using spatial computing is possible.
You know, it's actually happening right now.
So that's that's where, you know, the imagination is endless. And I love my artists
because they really are the ones who are giving these great ideas of like, hey, let's, you know,
let's do storytelling in this matter using technology and culture. So yeah, that's been my,
how I see a lot of these technology. I'm very bullish on digital preservation for immutable
technology. And so others can have that legacy and preserve that. I love that. And I really love
what the BitBasill team is doing every year. And not just every year, you guys are busy 24,
every year and not just every year you guys are busy 24 7 365 days with all your projects
and and and education and what you're doing for for artists so thank you so much for that Scarlett
and I'm so glad we have you back on I know I know we're running it's it's really past the hour I
understand so if you guys are still with us I I thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you so, so much.
We have Soulbound TV. He was, they were one of our speakers and I'm just so glad they made it.
Happy to have you here. Just hold on Soulbound. I want to go to Hex. Hex, you know the drill.
How is the use of AI impacting what you do on a personal and professional level? And
what would you want your Web3 legacy to be?
Okay. All right. So AI, personal, business level. So my partner down there somewhere,
Honeycomb, it has impacted everything that everything. So I don't actually do anything without running it through AI. So if you've seen a Medium article or anything else,
So if you've seen a Medium article or anything else, that was really AI.
If you see anything and everything, really all of it runs through AI.
The ideas, the concepts, the printouts, the yada, yadas.
You know, there's still things that I'm making Blender and stuff like that or like we'll play with in other areas.
But at the end of the day, right was ai had some input somewhere right because at this
point why not like it's like nix was saying uh when it came when it comes to the amount of research
that i used to do and deep dive into things and the amount of time that it would take to go through
the set of encyclopedias that you know you grab the a and you're reading it and then it's like
okay now you need to go grab c to you know know, find out more about this thing. So now you got
to go grab that book. And your web pages weren't much different. You know, it was the same concept.
We were going, we just didn't have to grab books. And now I did, I researched this topic on AI.
And apparently I researched 148 different websites and came to a conclusion in like five to eight
minutes. It was really, it was, it was, it was a time saver. So it has impacted everything I do
in every way. And the legacy, my, you know, at, at this point, I just hope that my own kids know
that, and that there's, that they, they don't, that they can own it and they don't have to be
owned by it right and and i hope that that's the that that's the legacy if there is anything anybody
says that it comes down to they told me the truth right it comes back to they told me the truth
about it there wasn't a hiding anything about it and it was just this is what it is it's stealing
your data but you gave it away for free right so an understanding i hope the legacy is that it wasn't facts or wasn't fake and it was real from the beginning so uh that's it you
know but soul balance here and i'm glad to hear what's up you know i don't know you're so bound
but i'm but i'm but i'm glad to hear that you're here i want to know yeah i'm actually behind the
account so i'm on the listeners for my personal one but
yeah excited to be here i don't know what happened the next co-host i was heavily confused in the
times and i ended up jumping into another space before and yeah just back to back to back spaces
we held our own today it was very nice um good conversation so far i think this is my fifth
space of the day and it's been really really cool cool. So yeah, just happy to be here. And I really love that question about the legacy. It reminds
me of a conversation I had with the CEO of a financial product that's in Europe. He was the
CEO of my first blockchain company experience. And we were talking on the ride back from the beach on the company retreat in Lisbon four years ago.
And the conversation was around like legacy.
You know, I remember Cyrus told me that day, you know, like we are doing this for a legacy, you know, like having a public and open record for that day when your kids or grandkids want to check back what granddad did
they can do so and i was like oh shit you're right i was hesitant on you know like uh in some point
just like going full into into crypto and blockchain and i remember that conversation was
was very insightful for me and it revolved around the legacy, the reason why I was traveling from Argentina to Lisbon to meet them all and how that led to other relationships.
And now we are here speaking spaces and sharing our insights.
So that's how I believe we're designing the future through our desire of building legacy.
our desire of building legacy. Okay, okay, Soulbound. So this is your fifth space.
And you know that when people club hop or bar hop, the last space, say this is your last space of the
day. The last space is always the space that you want to say because it is the best space. So I'm so glad that you have landed
here at the best space. I just wanted to let you know that, you know, that Ralph of head of PR for
X-Rail Glasses was one of the speakers, your co-panel speaker, as well as Rhett Gatling,
an XR developer. And I would love to have you guys back on again
because definitely the conversation is fire.
But Solban, since you're here,
please tell us about this decentralized television.
Yeah, we want to build a decentralized TV experience
for people, for creators and viewers,
where they don't have to you
know be bonded to what has become traditional now which are the streaming platforms like twitch or
kick you know it's crazy because if i'd say traditional streaming platform 10 years ago
and mentioning them will be like bro they are just like gaining momentum but now uh we're seeing many
creators being gatekeep it um and they are not actually,
they're spending hours and hours and are not monetizing. So, so far, what we want to provide
to them, it's an opportunity to be able to monetize when they are playing games, where
they're doing, I don't know, different activities, you know, playing music live, or when they
are, you know, speaking at panels in reallife events, they can stream it. People worldwide can access that information too.
And for the viewers, they can place bets in the prediction system
to try and figure out the outcome of what the creators do.
We just launched the airdrop campaign,
so all engagement with the ecosystem,
either having a node or engaging on the
Solvon platform or in socials like here and tending spaces, detecting bugs on the platform,
they will all be part of, yeah, what the community members will get on the airdrop. And yeah,
it's been a fairly cool experience, I believe, you know, it's onboarding creators from worldwide.
Like, I'm in Argentina.
I live in Latin America.
So, you know, getting to see people creating on the Solban platform from Colombia, from
Chile, from Venezuela, from Mexico, stuff like that has been very impactful for me on
a personal note.
And yeah, we've actually also today announced the partnership with AVAX,
through AVAX Gaming.
We have a weekly grant from AVAX,
so people can go and play the games.
Like right now, the first game on this stage
will be Castle of Blackwater.
People just go stream it for an hour and a half
and can claim some money out of it.
So, you know, they can monetize straightforward.
They don't have to be filtering and jumping different funnels
like it happens on Twitch and places like that.
They can go and start monetizing straightforward.
Oh, well, congratulations on that partnership with AVAX.
That's huge.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it's a result of a work we have been doing
with them in previous campaigns.
We ran a bounty with Shatterline and another one
with Off The Grid by the end of last year.
And we onboarded 283 streamers that created many, many hours
of content of the games because they completed the bounty
and the monetized, but as they liked the games,
they just kept on streaming it.
So, you know, that helped an awareness and yeah,
in general engagement.
So that led to what we're doing right now.
And I'm very excited for it.
We're excited.
You know what?
I'm kind of wanting to wrap my head around decentralized television.
I understand it.
I get it.
But I also want to
understand how do you see that fitting into the XR space, XR technology? Are you going to implement?
You know what I mean? Yeah. Okay. So we're going to be doing stuff with AI agents through
virtuals that I know. And when it comes to XR, I remember I had a conversation with
one guy that was on the Snapchat XR side of things. This came from a relationship I had on
the educational sector. And another relationship that I'm actually building with a product that's
called Hive 3. And they are trying to do stuff with metaverse and XR experiences. So an intention
of us is to figure out ways that we can intertwine some of these experiences
so people can actually see how they can engage with them.
Every aspect of technological development has to be brought down to earth
for people to understand what they are up to and how they can eat that,
how they can eat AI, how they can eat XR,
how they can eat, you know, even NFTs. Like the fact that we are siloed here on the blockchain
world doesn't mean that everybody knows what they're up to, you know, and what they can get
out of them. So yeah, I know Casey was also building some stuff around XR when he went to ETH Denver. He got some conversations there. But it's something that, yeah, we're fully open to as long as it's a funnel of entertainment for people. And as long as it's something that, as you say, can be also an onboarding experience for users, fully open and welcome. So right now I know that top priority is developing stuff around the AI agents
with virtuals. That's on the short side. But yeah, XR will be online for sure. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, I totally can see that. So people who are here on the space, especially the creators,
and you know who you are, please follow Soulbound TV. And Soulbound, if you can, I don't mean to put you on a spot,
but do follow Nick's, do follow the speakers, Scarlet, Hexadise.
Do follow Altered Alley.
He is the guy with, I don't know, I think it's a white rabbit skull
with a, I don't know, Altered Alley.
Do follow Tech Mental.
He is the guy looking up with the the hat oh it's on the i
see i see now i see i see the the rabbit alter alley it's on the tattoo i was just talking to
a friend of mine who was actually hosting a hackathon here in buenos aires she's from spain
she was working with the stellar foundation and she he just did the hackathon here for Aleph. And she was telling me she has a community member from Nigeria
that's doing henna tattoos and wants to do experience with it,
you know, that there can be a tracking record of the tattoos done
on the blockchain.
And I actually worked in tattoo conventions when I was from 18 to 22
back in Venezuela.
And it was very, very cool.
So yeah, it's art in general.
I love it.
I really, really love that stuff.
So yeah, going Instafollow right now.
And Nyx is an amazing speaker.
I've been before in Spaces with Shizvin.
It's like, bro, I love you.
Oh my God, really?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Nyx, you were hosting Spaces before on Xcohost, right?
If I'm not mistaken.
I think that's where I got to jump into some conversations.
Yeah, we were doing the main character spaces.
Me and the founder from Andromeda, Tatted Lawyer.
Tatted Lawyer.
Yeah, amazing guy too.
Very, very cool guy.
Very friendly.
Yeah.
Oh, I love that.
I love that you guys have known each other before.
And this is like fantastic.
So Soulbound, the reason why I'm telling you to follow Altered Alley, Tech Mental, there's KBOT, there's IraXLab.
You guys have to follow Soulbound.
So when they see that you're following them, then they'll follow you back.
that you're following them, then they'll follow you back.
The reason why is because I feel like you're coming out of left field
with decentralized television and immersive experiences.
And when you're talking about AI agents,
all these people are involved in creating AI agents
in addition to their own XR experiences.
So there's definitely some type of future collab going around.
And I also want you to follow Scarlett Arana.
She's one of the co-founders of BitBasil.
If you haven't heard, BitBasil is a huge event happening every year in Miami around December.
It happens around Miami Art Week and ArtBasil.
And it's really, what's it called?
It's really, what's it called, it's a platform for not just artists, but digital artists to have a voice and to learn the new tooling of technology as we move forward.
So it would be interesting to see how Soulbound your ecosystem fits in with BitBasil, fits in with the content creators. You know, there's puzzles there
that can be fitting. And definitely there's collaborations in the mix. And that goes for
Nix as well. You know, the brand architect and all like, Nix, please follow Scarlet Orana. And
and there's definitely and everybody just everybody follow everybody. It's a follow world love thing.
Anyway, guys, I get it.
It's way over.
Soban, I'm so glad that you got to be here.
I was really looking forward to having you.
And I'm just so glad I saw you.
I was like, yay, they're here.
Please follow me.
Sorry for being late.
No, no, no.
Because, yeah, I was like, no, I realized. Because, yeah. No. I was like, no.
I realized.
I opened XCOs and I realized, like, oh, my God.
What time is it?
And I was like, I got super late than the previous one.
I bet.
No, but you know what?
It's all perfect timing.
Definitely going to have you back on.
I'm glad that you got to meet, well, people here.
Do also follow LM Designs.
Guys, if you're in the space and
I haven't called you out I'm sorry I'm just blue and crypto cam oh my god and
showing Lee there was they're all creators here it's just it's just
incredible the space is I'm making sure I'm making sure following you from the
someone account and from my personal one that has the Solvon tag, the badge on it too.
So you will recognize me from that. But yeah, I mean, on Solvon, we want to empower ourselves
and the creators and go beyond gaming. You know, we were focused on building for Web3 gaming only
in the first iteration of a platform during Office stage and such. But I mean, we have experience in different fields of blockchain
in the sense that we know that it goes like the impact
and community growth goes beyond just one niche, right?
So I myself have attended events in Europe and in Latin
that have opened my eyes for it.
I remember last year I was in Banana Conf in Estonia
and I had such amazing discussion with people involved in fashion
that are intertwining blockchain into their collections
or their studios and stuff like that.
And that was so insightful.
I had no idea about it.
There was information I was missing out here in Adam
that they had an edge for it.
Yeah, no, yeah.
There's so much out there that once we started digging into it,
we realized, hey, let's go beyond this.
You know, let's go beyond gaming,
and that's something that we're empowering.
So expect soon Bounties to be live on Soulbound for you to stream
while you are creating designs, while you are even tattooing,
whatever you feel like, art, whatever art form I'm as I said I'm
a musician myself I play drums I play guitar and I just love art in general and I know that it's an
amazing funnel for all of us to connect around the world well that's what I'm talking about I love
that you just said that last part that and speaking of fashion Decentraland they're having their um
annual Decentraland fashion week and LM their annual Decentraland Fashion Week.
And LM Designs, there's IraXLab.
We have a whole bunch of content creators that are going to be panel speakers.
So if you follow LM and IraXLab, you'll see that they have like turns speaking on their specific topics.
I think it starts tomorrow, to be honest.
I think it's fantastic.
Anyway, so guys, what happens in these over-weekly spaces?
They used to be community spaces.
Then we decided to have a more serious route and bring in more communities, hence the speaker panel.
And then technically, it would be an hour, but this is such a banging space with the speakers that really had great insights from where they came from,
that obviously it went overboard.
I might have to rethink my questions, though, to make them shorter.
But after the speaker panel space, we do like to honor our community and hold a space for them,
in which case we have Brover down there. He is a 3D power mapper, and we bring him up as a co-host.
in which case we have Brover down there.
And I know this space is way overboard, but I really appreciate, again, I'm like a broken record. I
really appreciate those who are still hanging on and listening. You can still listen, do what you
do. I do want to honor the community. I know it's late, but I do want to take time for the community.
Brover, I kind of sent you, where did he go? I kind of sent you an invite to speak. Oh,
how come I, but I can't see why I can't send you as co-host.
Anyway, I see you Axelito. Thank you so much. And I see you Grateful Magnet. Thank you so much.
Oh, Doc is back. Yay, Nix. Doc is back. Hey, Doc, you're back.
Me meeting requests that are like at 36 o'clock utc plus five you're confusing my brain so i was
an hour early for that one so i thought i'd pop back in and hang out some more oh that's fantastic
doc so soulbound tv is here he was one they were they're one of the speakers do connect with with
with them um i was telling people we're on spaces Oh, for sure. So, so what is it?
You Nixon soulbound are kind of like spaces homies.
Yep. Definitely spaces homies. We roll together.
Well, I love that.
I love that you guys rolled into this space because now I'm just loving the
energy. Like I love the energy that Nick's, Doc, and Soulbound now brings in.
You know, Scarlett, I love you.
You got, we got data queens here.
Like Scarlett is data queen extraordinaire.
Now I see Nyx is like, what the what?
And then Hex, it's just insane.
I'm loving this space.
I'm so glad you're back, Doc.
It made me happy.
But yeah, you already know Soulbound.
Do connect with Scarlett.
BitBasil's coming up.
I don't know why I'm promoting BitBasil, but I just love BitBasil.
BitBasil's coming up around December, and if there's any type of collab happening
or if you have a community of artists or technologists that can contribute to BitBasil
or any other events that Hexadize and OneDarLand are, you know, happen to be involved in.
Now is your chance to connect. So you can plan out for that.
Doc, I was actually going to start to close out the space.
I was telling people that we do have our panel speaker in the first hour or so.
And then we also have time for the OVR community to kind of like share what they are.
But like, I don't know.
My co-host, Brover, he's not able to come on.
I think it's like a, you know what, community, Over the Reality community, we love you so much.
I realize this is like a one-off extra thing.
So maybe we will save our community space for next time because I'm pretty
sure you guys are, have something better else to do. Um, I'm, yeah, I'm going to call. I made that
executive decision. We will say, I know Scarlett, that's hard for me to, it's like, oh, uh, but I'm
just so glad that you guys are all still here. Um, okay. Before we go, I'm going to go around
with the speakers here. If they have any last words to not we go, I'm going to go around with the speakers here if they have
any last words, not last words, but last things to say in the space. Next, I'm going to start off
with you. Oh, gosh, I don't know. Thanks for having me here. This is a really fun discussion.
I know between Doc and I, we could probably just the two of us talk about this for like five hours
straight. I think there was one question you asked him that I thought was really fun.
And I just wanted to kind of add a little bit to it.
But I'll keep it really brief.
Like when I think about contributing to the future, like one of the things that I'm really
passionate about with this topic in specific is all of the ways that we can incentivize creatives to do new things
in the space. I always get worried that the integration of like AI might affect
creative people negatively. So it makes me really happy when I can imagine how
something like this
could add value to creatives. Like it really does open up an entirely different world for people. So
that's what I'm really excited about. I'd love to contribute to that.
Oh my gosh, Nix. I'm so glad you circled back. Of course, I had it in my head to
also ask you that question because you are designing the future.
And if we look back 30, 50 years from now, what would your Web3 legacy to be?
Of course, I did not forget that, but I'm so glad you replied back because definitely I wanted you to answer that.
So thank you for bringing that up.
Yeah, my pleasure. I actually really love that question because I'm a I'm a mom to two
daughters so it's something that like weighs my my mind heavily like it was actually the
biggest reason that I came to web3 is I'm uh you know I'm built to kind of buck against the system
I can't help it I'm built that way and so I'm like if if I'm bucking against the system what
am I replacing it with? And I love
the idea of not just like decentralization, but the idea of collaborative work. I wouldn't, you
know, I'm not sure like how long everyone's been in Web3, but one of my favorite parts was being
able to give the developers a voice and being able to give the community a voice. And then also being able to
work with people, different experts in different fields across the world. I saw it as like all of
us having this like big, like peer, like peer to peer building space. And that was a reality that
I thought was beautiful. So I wanted to be a part of that reality and contribute to it.
Oh my God.
I love that.
I love that.
I think that,
hex has hex said the same thing about his kids,
but then he dropped off anyway.
Doc,
I'm glad you came back.
Do you have anything else you wanted to add before we go?
Sure.
I mean,
again,
thank you for, yeah, next night,ke we can we can rattle on some
stuff but that's why she's my she's my bestie she's my baddie on the twitter spaces yo um thanks
for having me up look i am super interested in ovr but i mean look urnscape on the whole is about
discovery uh we want to curate amazing products for mobile gaming so i think there's definitely something we
could do i sent you a dm the idea of i mean i used to play a lot of ingress and things like that
the idea of like spatial mapping is very very cool but um i want to there's certainly a way to help
the the arxr community um as so long as it's on mobile and, and on the Google play store,
we can help you.
And we're happy to,
you know,
I want to make a culture around urnscape.
It's not just an app.
It's,
it should be an experience.
you know,
that's going to be music and art and kick ass,
like t-shirts by cool artists and fun place to be and hang out.
So yeah,
we're just getting started.
I'm happy to speak with anybody anytime.
But yeah, I'm so looking forward to coming back again and chilling with everybody.
So thanks a lot.
Oh, you're definitely gonna be coming back again.
You, Nick, Soulbound, Scarlett, Ralph, Rex and Hex.
Definitely.
This is like a really great,
the energy of the panel was fantastic.
And because you all come from different corners
of the future of,
I think it's such a great mix,
not just for you guys to learn about
what everybody else is doing,
but for the people who are listening in the audience
to get inspired, really.
Thank you so much.
Scarlett, oh my God, I can't, you know what?
I really appreciate you.
Like you're just doubling down on so many activities right there.
I want to give you the opportunity to say any last things before we end the space.
Thank you so much.
And thank you for bear with me.
I am at a conference right now.
You know, the future is spatial. You know, this is we're here to help. it because there's so much opportunity. It's really much endless.
It's just a matter of taking initiative and learning these merging technologies and be
part of the community itself.
And if, you know, here at Bipaso, we love to showcase all these artists, these amazing
projects.
You know, we love our artists because then they become evangelists to adoption of this emerging technology.
You know, we love our artists because then they become evangelists to adoption of these
merging technology.
So if you're in Miami, come in December.
You know, we have a seven day, seven night activation where we can showcase your art.
You know, how are you using this technology and really like elevate your providence as emerging artists.
Wow. Thank you so much.
So Scarlett, enjoy the rest of your event
and events coming up during the week and the month
and we'll definitely circle back.
I will be reaching out to you to invite you back on
as a panel speaker again with Ralph
and this wonderful, wonderful crew.
So Bound, would you have any last words
you want to say before we end the space?
Yeah, just thank you.
Thank you once again for, you know,
opening these conversations
and getting to do this introduction
for so many artists and, you know,
people who are building in blockchain.
And yeah, with that idea of building legacy.
If you hear back, Bruno,
it's my girlfriend in a job interview right now on the other side of the living room. blockchain and yeah with that ideal of building legacy if you hear back running always my
girlfriend's in a job interview right now on the other side of the of the living room but
uh yeah and i'm just very happy of having shared with you guys would love to be back and would
love to run a bounty have you guys streaming on soban platform i'm actually streaming right now
like literally i go live on the spaces and i go live there too because you can you know also see
my face on that part.
I guess that's something I miss a bit from X spaces.
You know, it's just voice and we have to find a way around to put the video up,
but can do it on the solo platform.
And I love that.
So thank you.
Thank you once again for having me here.
I'm looking forward to talking in another space.
Oh, thank you again.
I'm really glad you were able to come.
And Doc, definitely behind the scenes, we'll discuss more about how Urnscape and Over the Reality can collaborate. There's
definitely something juicy there, so for sure. I know Hexadize, I've been bringing him up. He
accidentally, X-Space accidentally dropped him down as a listener and I've been trying to get
him up as a speaker. And what would Hex say as his last words?
He would say, let's keep on winning, keep on creating,
and just touch grass.
And I don't know if that's Hex.
I don't know.
But, yeah, we're unable to get Hexadize back.
But he will be.
You know what, guys? Thank you so much.
I hope you enjoy. If you enjoyed this space, I want to get, throw out some emojis, throw out
some hearts. If you, if you enjoyed the space, if you were inspired by the speakers and you found
it worth your while, do, do follow everybody again. And honestly, I enjoyed, I really enjoyed hearing the speakers.
I really enjoyed the energy. Really. I really, I really, really did. Thanks LM. Thank you so much.
Um, I will be bringing up this panel because I just think I keep saying this is the third time
I'm saying this. I really think it is a, they're, they're very key in, in, in the, in, in, in their
contributions and insights and i'm really
looking forward to um hearing more from them all right everybody we are going to
we're going to start we're going to end the space everybody have a great time speakers
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