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🚀🌿DeSpaceTech: Sustainable rockets 🇵🇭 @AliensOfMalaya_ #desci #web3
Recorded: May 26, 2023 Duration: 0:57:19Space Recording
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Hey, Dexter, I've sent you an invitation for co-host, so please accept it.
Amazing, so let's wait for a couple of...
hi can you hear me hey yeah loud and clear there you go can you hear me yeah i i actually shared
our twitter space on linkedin and i'll be sharing also on our discord so that um people can tune in
yep and let's wait for three minutes let me share the spaces on a couple of channels as well
sure sure
so um it's uh three minutes i think we are good to go uh but first of all let me tell a bit more
about this space stage uh this space stage is a weekly event hold on twitter spaces every friday
at 1500 utc dedicated to space exploration with a focus on engineering and it's about intersection
of engineering and uh web3 today we have dexter founder of he is beyond aliens of malaya pft and
he is the founder of orbit x a company from philippines that is focused on sustainable
rockets thanks for joining dexter and happy to learn more about your project how it's related
to sustainability how it's related to rocketry and why and what the intersection between your project and
uh uh uh web3 so the mark is yours feel free to present yourself yeah thank you very much rod
and uh good evening from the philippines to everyone who are listening right now and also later and then
thank you very much rod for this opportunity and uh i've been uh really grateful for um your kindness and
also the support that you're giving us for many months now and uh i would like to introduce myself
first i am dexter banyo i am dox if you will search my name um it will appear you know um in web 2 so
you can find me um if you would like to know more about myself but basically um i founded this organization
called orbital exploration technologies or orbit x sounds like spacex because it's like before when we
founded the organization way back 2019 they are like our um main um inspiration so what we're trying
to do is to provide um a sustainable space access for not just for the philippines but for emerging
countries because as what we observe um there are still imbalances or you know observable imbalance
with regards to access to space because currently the industry is still leaning towards um those
developed nations because that's very understandable considering that uh they started uh venturing into
this so what we're trying to do is to um develop an entire rocket that will be powered by what we call rp2
which is the renewable renewable version of rp1 is the refined kerosene so and uh we're trying to build
the rocket entire rocket out of that and the funny thing is we initially wanted to just buy an entire
engine from either russia or uh new zealand but uh unfortunately due to the circumstances of the world
the economy and also design restrictions with regards to our rocket we decided to design our own um engine
so it is kind of hard considering that the philippines is um not yet um known for this type of
ventures but it's also amazing to be part of this particular project considering that uh this is something
that uh can we consider as one for the books so um with regards to our progress it is really hard
because um with regards to the policy stuff the funding stuff the business stuff and also the engineering
stuff it is like a combination of um combination of uh disciplines so you cannot set aside one discipline
just for the sake of another because um as pioneers in the philippines it is important for us to work
with government with the government as well and also with the business side we need to prove ourselves
to partners that we are um reliable and also um we are reliable and same time can deliver so that's
something that uh aside from the engineering is also what we are working on and we are happy to sign our
our first client last year and uh that that's like um a huge milestone for us considering that uh um
um considering that on our particular case it is somehow really ambitious to um take part on something
that uh this is scary but we happen to land our um client last year from singapore and that's like
um a client and also strategic partnership and uh you know um aside from the development of the rocket itself
we also need to develop um
an entire testing facility or or a rocket facility and if you will imagine the amount of uh headache and
also the amount of stress that uh we are currently handling and also handling daily then uh you know
um it is very unfathomable so the reason why we are here at web3 is to explore avenues and possibilities
in order for us to ensure that there will be um opportunities also that we will explore
um in this particular industry for example um we are planning to provide a real estate um structure for the
test facility where in um through web3 we will be able to get probably um financing and in return like
any other um like any other real estate investments we will be able to um earn from the leasing of the
rocket facility so that's something that we are currently working on and considering that it is already a
proven method of uh financing any infrastructure project then that's something that we are considering
but it is not yet final so we will be able to um enable advancements through web3 and that's something
that uh um is also you know within our you know uh scope and also considerations and aside from this um
we are planning to have um we are planning to have you know an entire node and we are already planning
about that to be sent to space so this is like part of the plans and also goals of the organization
and uh you know um but we still need to uh consider the immediate necessities and also the requirements of
the entire mission especially that uh we still need to
make sure that all necessary tests with regards to the engines and also the um rocket rocket will be
very successful and uh it is very tricky to do considering that uh um instead of doing
a solid rocket we considered doing um a by a by propellant liquid rocket which is
you know kind of smart and also stupid at the same time um considering that uh
uh i i by the way we considered doing that because we figured out that the philippines has a lot of
waste problems and uh if you will think about it logically um even though um you know the growth of
uh the space industry in the world will be inevitable one day we need to ensure also that there will be
enough supply of uh renewable fuel or fuel rather and the only way that you can do that is to convert
waste into fuel so that you are you're accessing space at the same time you are protecting the environment
that uh that uh you are in because even though uh moon and mars and other um ventures in space are
very inspiring we can and we should be realistic also that it is not yet attainable to do in
um or it is not yet livable and accessible for many people in the short term period so we need to make
sure that even though we are doing developments like this we're also protecting the environment
and uh it is like a correlation of many stuff and uh it is really hard to you know imagine but uh
based on the decision of our team it is the most ideal thing to do because here in the philippines
there are a lot of uh environmental groups that may prohibit us from developing stuff and this is the
only way because our engine can work both on rp1 and also rp2 which is our rocket fuel that will be
converted from uh waste fuel or waste so it's basically waste fuel so yeah um it is hard and it is
challenging but uh it must be done and uh the only point of um failure is the time that you will be
giving up on this specific dream and that's something that uh um we already considered but we never did
so um because we already started this particular project so why not just continue even though it is
really hard so um yeah um aside from this um we already presented during a nasa event through the
nasa attache in tokyo and many others and we are also serving member of the paris space forum for um
you know net zero space initiative so this is a very close um mission for us to access space and also
make space sustainable space and earth sustainable so um we also won awards um before so um if you're
considering supporting this uh particular project you can visit our open sea and uh maybe i don't know
if this is uh okay but uh yeah you can visit our open sea and you can buy some collections there it's
very affordable at 0.0089 each polygon two zeros or rather three zeros so it's like 1000 pesos in the
philippines so you know um you can also do do your due diligence or message us here if you're
interested to support the project so i would be willing to entertain questions from you guys and uh be
happy to i'll be happy to hear feedbacks and also questions and um i i'm not promising that i can answer
everything because i don't have uh monopoly to any knowledge and there are still gaps with regards to
uh what i know currently so yeah thank you very much yeah definitely uh just a few uh notes so uh we
have a golden sparrow and feel free to ask uh your questions uh but please keep in mind that it's an
engineering space so uh please let's try to focus on uh engineering and the second thing uh uh let's uh
uh uh everyone please retweet the link to these spaces to do that you have to go to the bottom
right corner of your screen click on comments and then on retweet button by retweeting by just simple
retweeting your help actually space exploration and a lot of crazy initiatives um so a huge thanks to
everyone who made a retweet and now golden sparrow if you have questions feel free to ask questions
oh yes uh thank you uh thank you thank you so much no it was more a um uh product management
question from from like uh from from the market perspective like uh how you guys manage to um
um like to to to reach development and like access funding uh on on the early days like what what was your
yeah how how you managed to to to start on on your development as a company as a project
well uh thank you very much for that um it is really hard like what i mentioned it's really hard to find
uh funding with regards to this so um first of all we um we uh initially built um or develop and design
the initial versions of the rocket engines and also the um launch vehicle itself so that there's something
that we can present and also um it is very important to consider that with regards to this particular
scale of project it requires a lot of uh you know um um expertise so with regards to um the philippine
setup um there's still a gap with regards to the uh uh there's still a gap with regards to um the
aerospace engineers because we don't have aerospace engineers here so what we have here are a lot of
different types of engineers so for example there are um mechanical engineers aeronautical engineers so
if you will combine their expertise and also those who studied physics then it is really feasible uh to do
it but um why why am i telling you this is that it is very important with regards to this particular
scale to build a team so that it will be reliable um on the other hand with regards to uh the funding
proper like what i mentioned it is tough and it is inconsistent but um we need to figure out also and we
need to understand as a team that due to the lack of resources and also um you know uh inconsistency of
funding we need to make sure that every you know every uh progress uh will be documented and forwarded to
prospective uh investors and most of our supporters as of this moment came from uh overseas or those what
we call overseas filipino workers so um there are no institutional investors yet more of um what we call
angel investors and also supporters who are really keen to um provide um support with regards to this
particular project because like our team um they have this common belief that if we will not be able to
help this particular uh particular development in our country then we may miss the opportunity to help
our country so that's the mentality of most filipinos living abroad so even though the funding is really
not enough with regards to the development and running the team we applied all the uh you know project
management strategies like you know lean startup strategies and also cost reductions which is part of the
the lean startup strategy um in order for us to be able to uh cater to this particular development and
also one important stuff that we learned is to follow the um is to follow the model of apple they initially
wanted to produce their own uh devices but later on they decided to um you know subcontract or or subcontract
their um devices to china and also other places so that's something that we are doing so the designs and
everything came from us but in order for us to utilize all the resources that we have and also expertise that
is already established in the country we decided to partner with you know um credible fabricators and
organizations in the country so that all the designs can be you know produced and come will come into
fruition so there is also a non-disclosure agreement between the disagreements um in order for us to
protect our ip so yeah that's basically how we run the operations and we don't have a fancy of this
it is like a small house then um we basically do most of our operations um remotely and if it
is necessary to meet personally then that's the time that we meet in order just for us to cut down
cost because um our situation is kind of different from you know well-funded organizations so we acknowledge
that uh this is something that uh you know is very impossible to do if we will do it um with grandiosity
so uh yeah yeah that's something that uh um we learned during the process
uh totally new year uh i think like um that's maybe like the most common situation with all the project
but the great thing about twitter and all the web3 movement that now that now we have a global coordination
tools and a lot of amazing things uh happens in web3 however i have a technical question so you've
said about rpa2 have you considered a separate business model just to turn um plastic waste into
into high quality rocket fuel and i have a concern like basically there is a simple process
to convert uh any organic into almost any organic i forgot the name of the process but basically you
have to heat your waste without oxygen for under a high temperature and you receive gas and then you
can convert those gases into everything so it would be great to know more about the sustainability part and
uh uh uh the advantages of our rp2 rocket engine and maybe it's possible uh somehow to um to to get
attention to to it in their uh climate solutions uh around on gitcoin
yeah thank you very much for that question rod um as a matter of fact yeah um the the process that you
mentioned is called pyrolysis so with regards to the pyrolysis um you are basically trapping oxygen in
order for you to um you know reconvert the raw material into um you know a fuel so with regards to our
process we decided to um in order to make it more sustainable we decided to redirect the exhaust to the
the chamber itself so it is fascinating to consider that there are a lot of you know machineries
already available particularly in china that does the same process but with regards to this uh university
based uh solution uh research inside the university um we learned that uh our process uh you know rose up to
about 75 percent in efficiency and yield rate so if we will be feeding around 1000 kilograms of feedstock
around 75 percent of that will be converted into fuel and the good thing about the rocket that we're
building considering that it has almost similar properties with rp1 or the kerosene rocket grade kerosene
um it basically can work both with rp1 and rp2 so in case that there will be um challenges with regards to
um with regards to the uh you know volume of production of rp2 then we can basically you know use the other
solution and we already considered these challenges before so that's the reason why we are we are also
working with the government because if we will not be able to solve the waste management aspect
of um our cities and localities in the philippines then we will not be able to access these raw materials
in the most efficient manner so um even though it is really tricky and hard to do but it is you know
something that uh we are already doing since 2021 so we decided to work with the government in order for
us to um help them uh manage these um you know uh waste management concerns which is you know part of
our logistical concern as well so we need to make sure that the raw materials will be stable and from that
we can you know build you know build you know an entire machinery that will be able to convert based on
what we need and according to um our engineers if there will be um um inadequate supply of rp2 we can
basically mix rp2 with rp1 so they will be able to um you know work with one another considering that they
have you know close similarities with regards to um their properties so um even though um to be honest
we haven't um tried it in huge volumes this is something that uh we already did through research and
also simulations which are all successful the primary challenge with regards to this particular development
is that each uh piece of the engine uh should work with one another and uh if there will be um
inconsistency with the materials which should work based on the fuel fuel fuels that uh we are planning to
use then we need to revise the designs because you know they should be uh working harmoniously with one
another so um it is very understandable in my point of view um that uh it happens this way because you
know there are limited resources and also a lot of challenges um with the philippine setup but if you
will think about it if you will be able to solve the logistical concerns and also the um management of
these waste then it is not impossible to um uh do it in large large scale with regards to um you know
another separate business model with regards to the fuels there are you know another fuel that is
currently uh being used by um other sectors or under in this other industries in the philippines for
example the public utility vehicle transportation sector or because we have you know massive
uh uh public utilities or you know public transportation modes in the country so we decided to
create another fuel that can be used by gps if you're familiar with gps so um in order for us to
make it um sustainable and provide us adequate or not adequate but a bit of uh um operating revenue
um we decided to uh lobby and help the transportation sector so not so that they will not be faced
out by the government because for the past months the government are the government is already deciding to
remove the jeepneys in um the you know the roads so that it will be replaced by new models of or new modes of
transportation so um it is really logical for us to you know shout and give our opinions with regards to
that because we will be affected so we decided to um you know connect with the government and also tell
them that we have this particular project and thank goodness they listened and they decided to abandon this
particular phase out which also help the sector and also the um commuters in not just in metro manila but
nationwide and what you're planning i just picked uh the map and it looks like philippines has a really
huge advantage in terms of location you're quite close to equator and to like uh to to to there is a pacific
ocean like so it looks like you have a great place to launch pod have you already decided on a location
yes um according to the philippine space agency they're planning to you know do space related
operations in mindanao although you know technically you can launch anywhere you want but considering that
i'm also a mindanao um i will follow the um lead of the philippine space agency that uh you know um
we will develop and also conduct test teams at mindanao and we will be building our test facility there
and um that's also the location that i proposed when i wrote an entire law proposal to the government
government and that's something that is also being considered by our government so it is kind of cool
that uh even though it is hard you will you are able to you know um impactful uh provide impactful
changes and also milestones to to the structure of the entire industry in your country so yeah um we are
considering mindanao and i'm all i already pledged our um ancestral lot or you know ancestral land just for
the development of this project so that's you know how dedicated i am that's like an entire farmland
not that huge but would suffice the necessities of the project so yeah
uh minja now looks like a nice place i'm just checking looks like uh it's kind of an island with
the resorts so i'm quite jealous it looks like it's a really amazing place to to build it however i'm a
bit concerned about uh the location like to the east there is an island but i think you know
much better and your agency knows much better all the
uh thing that uh has to be taken in their consideration and also i want to say that
like in a couple of weeks i'll buy a couple of your nfts you have really amazing project so definitely
want to help to succeed and i'm happy to promote the project and with respect to that you've asked about
uh give us so i want to add a few words about uh give us um it's a really interesting community
uh first of all to to make a project there it takes you like um five minutes if you have all the
information but you have to prove that uh you're a public good meaning that uh you are doing good for
for like your project will have uh other people often it means that it has to be open so uh you have to
to consider that uh like how it's aligned with uh like how your project is aligned with with their
initiative uh but once you'll be there i mean on give us uh you'll get access to a really amazing
community uh a global community of uh crazy people um and yeah happy to help so once you'll have a
project there happy to make a donation not a first donation so if you have any questions about give us
happy to uh to respond yeah i i actually already um explored it a while ago and i already filled up
uh uh things there and i'm hoping to finish all the necessities um of the application but um with
regards to give it the primary reason why um i um uploaded the project there or planning to upload the project
there is that i'm i'm trying to figure out if it is possible for us to you know make an entire
test facility that will be co-owned by you know maybe a dow which um you know kind of cool so it is like
you know like i mentioned it's a real estate uh um scenario wherein um people will co-own the stuff
uh and uh you know for every launch lease you know leasing of uh the use of the facility for example if
an academic sector or academic institution will be planning to lease the facility then a portion of the
um proceeds will go to the you know uh members of the dow something like that so that's something that uh
uh we are already pondering on and uh hopefully that's something that uh um give it will be
excited to um support and also um contribute and by the way thank you rod for considering to buy the
collection um and uh yeah i'm really grateful that uh you're a very good and kind person so thank you
you very much yeah i just have to say like once i'll get money from uh git code because my budget is
quite limited as well i'll definitely buy it but it'll happen in a couple of weeks uh i also want to
to add that actually there are a lot of things happening at uh mundar related to partnerships to the new
ways to fund the projects uh we are discussing internally i think that it's called deep rise
deep rise decentralized price but it's a bit of it reminds a bit of a model of an x price still
uh a lot of uh things to learn but sorry to uh to do but and you you can actually you can participate
in the process and you can shape the way how mondar uh works with projects like basically by joining and
you know just writing down uh what your thoughts and actually it would be really helpful because
um it's really hard and uh there are not so many people working on that but definitely i would
suggest to take uh i think a look uh just you know to to closely monitor what happens on space engineering
guild at mondau um because there are a lot of a lot of interesting opportunities uh i quite hard to
explain it's really hard for me to explain what uh what actually uh i mean but basically um
everyone is uh everyone in the space is worried like a lot like every founder always looking for
the way how to how to make the project sustainable and also next week uh next wednesday we will have a call
at mondau i mean we'll have an ama with the grief grief is the founder of give us and he knows a lot about
funding of public goods so definitely would highly recommend everyone to attend the event next wednesday
because basically i really feel you and in russia i've met i've now i know like three or four
uh rocket startups uh and unfortunately most of them failed like all of them actually failed and they
had exactly the same issues that you had and those startups they were like different uh stages of uh maturity
yeah it's quite sad so definitely uh i really want to help you to to touch because it'll be much greater if
humanity would have access to the space like a way a kind of a decentralized access to space
uh so uh regarding uh uh engineering have you considered actually uh doing the development
in the open manner actually there is a prob an interesting project that is called
copernic sub orbitals
and uh they they're building um
uh human graded uh rocket uh on donations so uh have you heard of that project and uh have you thought
a lot of uh collaborating with the such projects and actually doing uh a lot of development on the
open uh in the in the open manner yeah they're actually you know one of our inspirations and uh
the reason why we um started developing the engine is due to the inspiration we got from them so they are
like copernicus i think it is copernicus space from um i think uh denmark or netherlands
denmark so baltic region so it is really amazing and we are following the same model but
um not to the extent that uh we are you know relying on uh you know donations related
considering that uh we are trying to um
run an entire you know organization um
um with a primary goal of um making it uh commercially available but um i think um
um you know in the near future we'll be able to um cater to you know donation-based uh
um funding so that's something that we haven't fully considered but uh
um um we already talked about it but you know not fully utilized so yeah um they're one of our
inspirations and uh you know they are they have a very amazing story considering that they i think they
bought an entire um shipyard a whole shipyard just to you know build uh a rocket which is you know
fascinating and amazing it is like glass roots to be honest and they are also composed of different
individuals with different um expertise and personalities so um you know it is fun to hear stories like
this and um you know to be honest um i think we can really pull it off because um
we already started it and there are plenty of times that we almost give up on this particular dream
but we are still here you know thriving and uh doing what we need to do just to make it happen so
it's just like uh you know just the point of not giving up and uh you know whatever it takes like
what we say it's here so yeah uh yeah amazing and whenever yeah uh i'm sorry uh running on the
operating on the nations is quite hard and definitely um commercial without commercial commercialization
uh it's not possible to run a sustainable company um the thing is that i'm like my background i'm coming
from uh software and the thing that i like about software is that under certain circumstances uh it makes
sense to make software uh software open source and it's quite hard but i'm like i really believe in that model
um and one of the thing that i'm really thinking about is the open uh hardware and
the main idea is that actually you can design hardware together in a decentralized manner
uh however you can get the profit by from building that hardware because you know uh
just having a design and even like i don't know uh cam files like uh having a digital form
is not the same as having a having a physically built rocket and actually uh that that works like not
only the rocket the whole mission the whole infrastructure and from that perspective i think
like you know doing certain things open source and open source in uh certain solutions could uh make sense
especially with the new models of funding like retroactive funding maybe it makes sense but yeah happy to hear
your thoughts about uh that model and it's uh i'm not proposing don't get me wrong i'm not proposing you to
do that uh i'm just asking your thoughts
yeah um as a matter of fact i i'm personally you know an advocate of uh open source um projects um to be
honest we already considered you know um making this first development as an open source project as a matter of
fact we're currently writing a paper for this um development especially for the development of
tomorrow engine which is the name of our engine and um yeah we are trying to figure out how to
do it effectively because um as what i observe here in the here in the space industry um
we are more of collaborators and workers for the same good and that is something that really fascinates me
about this particular industry and um with that um we already talked with the team on how we can
possibly open source the engine so that everybody can either contribute or use the project but as of
this moment while we are writing uh the entire paper together with its business plan as a matter of
fact um you know um we still need to finalize how we should do it and how we will be able to do it
and that's the inspiration and also something that we learned from uh tesla and uh spacex because they
open source and also they open their designs to um the public so the thing is it is really a matter
of execution and how you will be able to execute the design and the idea um and uh but you know um
we will never say no to that particular idea if that will be something that uh will make us more
successful you know some um you know funded and supported then why not and if it is really for the common
good then you know you must really consider doing it uh from my perspective uh
like it's amazing to not to reinvent the wheel on one side it's great to always reinvent the wheel and to
find new solutions um but on the other hand uh often working on the problem uh everyone comes to a really
similar solution and i think it will be really amazing if humanity would have a possibility to
exchange information between each other and just not to waste time doing stuff that that was already
done but that's fine i'm a huge fan of ai and i think like well maybe i don't like the idea but i think
that after all as humans we have to teach ai doing different stuff and i have a question related to your
collection uh have you heard of copernic space uh they basically built in and and
um marketplace of space assets and they interested in collaboration uh we are really um interested
with uh regards to collaboration any collaboration um like what i already mentioned to our group we are
currently building um a consortium of space individuals and also organizations for the development in the far
east just to make uh you know uh additional balance in the industry so you know um yeah that's something
that uh you know we we are already doing for you know how many years i think since 2019 we're already
collaborating with organizations no no no uh i sorry sorry for interruption i was asking specifically about
the project copernic space yeah um so you're already in touch with them no no not yet not yet okay
okay so uh we want to consider yeah so basically they're building a marketplace of space assets and they're
pretty serious um they uh they're serious they're in space uh and like just yeah they're serious and uh like
i'm in thailand on cop and gun and i'm living close to their city which is quite fun i think so and also uh
uh we have uh we have a spaces with them like in in uh 30 minutes and uh for free to jump on and then about
their project yeah sure i'll be there for sure
um i i guess i missed your i missed your question a while ago yeah it was just
uh yeah i thought uh i thought uh i thought you're referring to any partnerships no no no no yeah yeah no
worry uh uh um um
uh well
uh i really heard like learned a lot and uh really like you convinced me uh i know that you were serious
but now like uh you're doing really great uh great work and i'm happy to support you like
if you need help on twitter feel free to reach me and i'm happy to share with you all the contacts
that i have and also want to say that actually in
region space there are a lot of opportunities and for example there there are a couple of projects
related to decentralized physical infrastructure
uh and they're interested in um in building uh physical infrastructure related to to to iot
and spaceport and everything related to space it's all about iot it's all about physical devices sensors
like it's all it's all robotics a while ago i've heard like a nice sentence that basically every
rocket is a robot which is quite fun um well i think i've really learned a lot about your project
and at this point in time i have no more questions so um and we are at the end of the hour so uh
uh maybe uh maybe uh maybe uh uh uh we could wrap this space is uh uh just i think i i've asked
everything that that i wanted to ask and i have a lot of actually uh deep engineering questions but it's
another discussion like i'm eager to learn about like uh what type of uh engineer you're planning to use
like will it be a full stage combustion or like it will be uh a lox cycle but you know it's uh i'm
not sure if any feel uh happy to share maybe because of a lot of things are under nda and under uh different
limitations by by space agencies so what um yeah yeah it can be it can be disclosed so nothing to worry so
it is a bi-propellant rocket so it is a bi-propellant rocket with lox and rp1 so um per engine we have
around 11 kilonewtons of thrust so um we are we are uh we actually designed the rocket to um work both
like what i mentioned both with rp1 and rp2 and um yeah um with regards to the payload it's around two
20 kila uh 20 kilograms proximity uh approximately 20 kilograms um i need to i need to check again
the specific impulse and all this stuff but uh it is a it is a two-stage rocket so you know uh operating
uh altitude will be low earth orbit things like that so yeah
uh um so uh it's kind of a small rocket and do you have a plan for for a bigger rocket
it is actually it's actually a huge rocket to be honest um it is approximately 27 meters 27 meters high
and yeah yeah sorry i mean it's a light rocket i use the wrong term i mean there is like uh yeah you
know yeah you know yeah sorry sorry very heavy stuff you know it's super heavy i don't know how
it's called in russian in english it's in russian it would be like a dark translation uh small but yeah
definitely that section is very huge yeah no worries so yeah um with regards to a really huge rocket with
you know a larger payload capacity we don't have plans because we still need to perfect um this uh
version called uh haribon sls1 so haribon came from our philippine eagle it's called haribon so yeah um
um that's something that we need to ensure the success first before proceeding to you know the next
venture and it is funny because there are a lot of people who are already asking if it will be reusable
to be honest it is not that realistic as of this moment we need to make sure that it will fly properly
and it will not destroy its payload because we'll be you know paying a lot of money if we'll be
destroying payloads so even though you can avail insurances but uh you know it will destroy your
credibility as a launch organization so um we just need to stick with the simple and uh existing plan
but it doesn't mean that we cannot revise we are always ready to change plans if we see fit and uh
that's for us to ensure that uh this difficult project will be successful um sooner or later we'll be able
to you know fly from the philippines and uh yeah um this will be successful this will happen and uh uh
if spacex took four years to do their first launch launch considering that they have adequate funding then
what more if um we have dedicated filipinos who would be willing to take a bet on this crazy
adventure then you know it is really possible
uh definitely so um we are at the end of the hour and
yeah uh i think it's a good time to to drop the spaces maybe sorry a bit uh in advance uh because i have
the next spaces today so it's a bit uh overlapping with all the future spaces so i'm really sorry for
that uh thank you so much for for for coming here happy to stay in touch and definitely i'll be sharing
all the uh funding opportunities that uh i'll i'll have and i'd like to remind about the next wednesday
uh 1600 utc uh moon down uh moon out with our spaces uh we'll be discussing how to fund daos in
region style with the founder of uh give us so highly recommend to attend the event um and david
cosmos for humanity i highly recommend to attend the event for you as well like for everyone here
so and esteban for you as well so thank you so much thank you so much for coming and uh
wish you good luck and happy to stay in touch thank you very much man and uh have a great day
yeah thank you bye
