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Developing Jungle Bay Island [Episode 3]
Recorded: Feb. 6, 2026 Duration: 1:15:18Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion, participants explored the future of AI and blockchain technology, highlighting trends such as Elon Musk's plans for AI factories in space and the launch of innovative projects like the memetics signal engine. The conversation also touched on strategic partnerships, fundraising efforts, and the potential for yield generation through user engagement, signaling a vibrant growth phase in the crypto ecosystem.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Yo, yo, what's up, CKASA, what's up, JP?
How we doing? how we doing?
You know, here, another beautiful day in sunny Florida.
Oh, yeah, let's fucking go.
Where you at, Tampa?
Yeah, or Cali.
I'm in LA, bro.
Oh, okay, okay.
I don't know why I thought you might have been in Tampa with Ghost in them, right ain't that where ghost is that oh yeah ghost is in tampa yep okay okay jp what's up brother how
are you jp i'm good uh flying flying through the internet and through the madness that we are
going through as a collective i listened to the first 10 minutes of Elon Musk's interview yesterday
with those podcast people,
and they were talking about sending GPUs to space
to create AI factories there, basically,
and that will happen in the next three years.
So it's getting yeah interesting you know
he's been saying that so now they're saying that they're gonna develop all ai hubs up in
in orbit because they don't need cooling and then also for the sun so it generates the most power
so soon i guess all of our ai hubs will actually be in space right it's mind-blowing
he he was saying that it's 10 times cheaper it's like an order of magnitude cheaper and then he
said on one thing he said uh he's gonna put up a million satellites with the ai hubs on it then
he then he came back and he was like did did I say a million? One billion.
Yeah, and the thing is that people could complain about this and have opinions.
You know, you could have any opinion in the world, but nothing will stop it.
It's incredible.
That motherfucker just ships, bro.
That motherfucker just ships. Are. That motherfucker just ships.
Are you sure he's not, like, from a different planet?
Oh, I mean,
he's even admitting he is. People just don't want
to embrace it then.
That's a once-in-a-generation
type of motherfucker, bro.
Yeah, for real.
Alright, well, yo,
JP has been absolutely fucking cooking since we last since we last spoke
jp did you have some links that you wanted me to share are you gonna pin them what are you
thinking here because i would be great to give people some reference points to uh take a look
at and also just to talk through. Yeah.
I didn't want to share anything that you think, you know,
I just want to make sure that we have a good flow here based on however you want to kick it off.
So the link is memetics.whatthefuck.
Ghostload is in the process of updating the DNS records of it because I am literally deploying it to production right now on my computer
Done the by last signal private key set and the API is redeploying the claim flow should be fully functional once the redeploy finishes
One or two minutes. So, oh beautiful. Okay, don't go to the website yet guys because it's um
it's right now routing to a different thing that we had um so we're updating it and uh we'll pin it
when it's when it when jp confirms it's live so it's memetics dot wtf and yeah it will be live
because right now it's like if you go to that website, actually, you will see the memetic signal engine.
That is, I would say, the starting point of the exploration that we have in place right now.
I had the pleasure to work on the previous version of like this idea.
It has been taking form through different forms.
And what we have now, like right now,
the thing that I'm deploying right now is like the most updated form of that.
And I feel happy with it.
I feel that this is something that could make some noise or fit into the vision that Se, and then you are bombarded with those memes and all of this.
I remember the first time that Sigasa wrote to me,
I asked him, if you were to encompass all of this project
into one image, like one PNG,
I think you could find that PNG and pin it to the space.
Yeah, I did Screen Visions, Fiat Non-Selfie.
Hold on, let me see if I can find it.
I don't know if I have it directly stored.
I'm on my phone, but hold on.
I think I have it.
If you can find it.
I want to make sure I got the HD.
I've got to make sure I have the HD version.
Hold on. Yeah, but... like you know what i can i can
find it in discord yeah i'll find i'll find it up in that first and then we'll pin the the link after
that one uh yeah but yeah yeah so so maybe first before we pin it and before people are like actively
trying to look at it because so don't go to the website yet guys because it's not deployed um jp
maybe you could just talk through what's been going on this week through your process and kind of where we left off, you know, and what you ran with and what came up.
I just think it would be useful for people that have been tuning in or are interested to know what's been going on on that front yeah so uh i just messaged you
on discord the link of the document that i sent you yesterday like that that's that's the most
functional thing that we have right now in this moment because i'm pinning it right now
because i i like i i am working on the product itself and that is the thing that I am deploying right now.
But that product is the consequence of a philosophy that wants to be embodied here.
And the one that you will pin is, I would say, it's like the source of that philosophy.
So I think it's a good idea if people can read that website
and through reading that website, understand what is going on on the back layers of this
product development and why it is taking form on the way it is taking form.
Like, how is the island?
What is the island? And the most important question that I am digesting throughout this process of working on this project is, what is a bungalow?
So I'm always thinking, what is a bungalow?
So I'm always thinking, what is a bungalow?
And for me right now, it represents a timeless place that gives meme coins, that gives tokens, that give this new vehicle for information home on the Internet that is different from the DEX screener link.
For example, we are used to the DEX screener link being the entry point into a given token
and the story underlying that token.
And I think that a lot of information is lost because there is a space on the market that is not targeting that specific relationship between users, digens, creators and projects.
And creators, I mean creators because there is literally hundreds of artists that are part of the Jungle Bay community.
Hundreds of artists that are part of the Jungle Bay community. Hundreds of artists.
And if you see this document, you will see some...
There is a line here that I love.
I will find it.
Hold on.
Before you say that, just if anyone wants to reference the image
that I had sent, J.P, was this image by Scream Vision.
This kind of kicked it all off.
And the fiat, Vim Non Salvit, is the fiat won't save you in Latin.
It's just an incredible piece by Scream Vision.
But then also pinned to the top of the mountain is uh the the
reference link that jp is walking through as he's talking about this um so just just wanted to uh
flag that for anyone that's what wants to you know read along while we're uh while we're checking it
out or just view the the general framework of like the this is more so the ethos than it is
the functionality but it correct, JP?
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Okay, so go ahead.
I didn't mean to interrupt you.
I just want to make sure people have a reference point. Yeah, that's great context because we are moving from, like, literally, if you see the pinned tweets to the space,
space, we will start, like, we start from the image Fiat Nom Salvatí, that is this one that
CKASA shared. It was created by Screen Vision, and this is, like, the source of this project,
of this product. Like, we are creating a product that solves a need on the market
because that's the only way
to create something
that generates value to the market.
And through that,
bring that value back to the island.
And we are the island.
Like the people that are on this space
is the island.
So this is the starting point,
this image. And then we move into the other one that
he's referenced that is memetics orbiter website, that link. And that has the philosophical
framework, I would say. And then we're going to move if I manage to deploy it. Or if not,
I will deploy it throughout the day after the space and
you will be able to enter that like product like functionally you know and
I wanted to discuss some things with the community here to make decisions about
the product itself and yeah I have some like key design decisions that I need to make and I want to run through people to understand where they land on this when you find a product that proposes you an interaction, like the ones that I'm going to mention.
But before that, I want to open it up for people you know i have been
talking enough yeah and you know it's it's friday morning and people are will tune in you know uh
it's recorded space so if you're listening and uh and you know are not in now always uh you know my
dms are open to people on jungle bay island. They're close to everybody else, though.
And definitely would love to hear if there's people's feedback that are listening after.
You can see my, if you check out, I'll have this pinned, or sorry, I'll have this tweet still up. If you want to reference it and you're not in the space and you don't have a blue check,
so you can't see what's pinned to the space on
the recording. But anyways, I also wanted to say what's up to D-Cot, one of our home team artists,
fucking legend, longtime Jungle Bay motherfucker. How are you, bro?
He might not be speaking, but he came up to catch a vibe, which is okay, dude.
He's earned his motherfucking stripes.
Or maybe he's just busy.
So, yeah, if people want to come up here, I see some of the home team motherfuckers here would love to get any input.
Otherwise, JP, myself, FLA, will just kind of vibe on it.
And if people want to chime in, give their two cents,
I know this.
I see Cee LaRee is fucking listening in.
5.30 in the morning in Australia,
this motherfucker makes sure to come through
and say what's up with these earlier spaces
or six o'clock in the morning.
That's a Jungle Bay motherfucker right there, dude.
He doesn't give a fuck.
He's here bro showing
up love to see that man uh we appreciate just uh the presence of people that we know have been
around and seen the fucking you know really boring and and and difficult and not fun stretches and
regardless we can just bring stick figures and stick figure related ass motherfuckers as far as ethos goes together and continue to breathe more more layers into this metaphorical fucking island that is becoming less metaphorical and more so an actual destination as we continue to push through this process.
as we continue to push through this process.
So JP, maybe since everybody is being coy,
maybe we can just run through, me, you and FLA,
and you can kind of talk us through,
we can give our two cents,
and maybe we'll spark a motherfucker to have an opinion
and come up here and say, what's up?
Yeah, sounds good.
So the first thing that, on the first documents that you send me you
put that you wanted pre login using preview with the email i i understand that practice is pretty
common but uh through the like on the design of the, we have something that is very important, that is the heat score.
And the heat score is related to the holding of different assets that make up the island.
Let me pause you on that real quick, just because I'd love to just touch on heat score for people that haven't heard of it this is not leaderboard guys this is not info five slop this is this
is something different what what we've kind of tried to roll our our sleeves up with with heat
score is being able to passively apply um a score but but really a degree a temperature
to motherfuckers that have been, that are a part of,
you know, Jungle Bay home team projects. So that could be different meme tokens that are,
you know, Jungle Bay staples. They could be different artists that are Jungle Bay home team,
their collections. And I know that there's still, you know, nuances that have to get flushed out
with that. But essentially, it's not measured on how much you hold.
It's measured on how long you've held.
Yes, how much is a component, but it's how long.
And then adding a compounding element to it for holding more than one.
So there's this kind of rising tide lifts all boats effect
when you're holding more than one
or multiple Jungle bay home team
projects or related projects jungle bay you know home team projects in general whatever it is it's
not just meme tokens it could be collections whatever it is but just to just to have this
this path like default community elevation by association and not have to do so in a way that is, you know, requires people to
claim things and this and that. We want it to be, it's already earned. So we don't want
motherfuckers to have to, you know, then further go and do different unlocks or whatever. So that,
that's just a quick contextual update. JP, sorry to step on your toes there, but if you want to pick back up, would love to continue. No, I appreciate
that context greatly.
As you were talking, I had a few
ideas and I think that
making this
interaction between people that
want to or have ideas
and want to share them, it's a great
way to go through it
and make it
like a design co-creative
um whatever you know i like this is something that is is very important to have so
uh wait jp also we had somebody come up who has been a day one Jungle Bay home team.
Alex Daith has been a fucking presence, a staple on Jungle Bay Island before it was comfortable.
And it's always good to see him.
I don't get to see him as often these days.
He's a dev building dope shit in the space.
He's been deep in the AI stuff for a while.
But fucking great to see you, Alex.
So before JP picks back up,
I wanted to just flip it to you, dog,
and say what's up. Hold on.
I got to do my little introduction, too.
Oh, yeah.
Go ahead, FLA.
Go ahead.
I know him from a different project
that we won't name,
and he was in there,
and he's the one that actually told me
about Jungle Bay.
When I went and minted
I'm in one of one legendary
Because of this motherfucker Alex is a goat. Let's fucking go
We had a mint in
January 2022, but jungle Bay has been around since November 2021 forming in the fucking in the gutter together with no, with nothing but a fucking, a shared vision
that a lot of people tried to trample on and fucking toss aside. And a few of us had said,
fuck you, we're building this shit and it's going to be different than anything out there.
Alex, go ahead, dog. I love when you tell the story, dog. Like
not many people know the roots of how like this jungle bay island and jungle bays came to rise from like the trenches of like the little apes back in like the ape market in the last cycle.
No, I love when you tell the story, bro.
And it like brings me back home.
It takes me back to the trenches.
back to the trenches and uh no i love i love when when we get together right and uh now with the
And no, I love when we get together.
tools and resources we have i think that we can there's a lot of signal here and a lot of times
like signal gets like just lost right and i think you are cooking right now with in in your vision
right on on allowing i personally hold 20 plus just in one wallet right since mint and i've i've
never sold and and you you know, like when you
share that vision, right? Like how you want to allow people to just express themselves and,
you know, share like, you know, their assets and what they hold, what they're building with them.
I think it's cool. And, you know, in order for that like signal not to get lost, I think like,
you know, I've been at the forefront with AI, right?
I'm personally working with the Anthropic Claw team and, you know, doing a lot of research and development.
And, you know, recently with Open Claw, right, we can have, like, really agents everywhere.
And we can not allow that signal to get lost.
We can not allow that signal to get lost.
And even on Twitter spaces, we can just have an AI Twitter space that collects that signal
that we're speaking or we're all brainstorming all the ideas we all have together, right?
And once we collectively, cohesively, as a consensus agree, hey, yes, we're going to
implement that, we just signal the agent or whatever is in whatever room, Telegram, Discord, Slack, you name it, whatever platform we can get an agent there now
with context, memory, souls, and stuff like that. And it's something that I know you used to cause
that we've been talking about, right? Bringing jungle base, souls to jungle base, right? Like
to these characters. And i think now we have that
tech that we've been developing um and we're ready to deploy so i'm happy to uh i got the chills when
you said to the jungle bays too right like i know we've been talking about it different capacities
but it's it's so true and and you know there's one thing i just wanted to flag jp i know i keep
fucking pushing along but but there's there's there's important context here, and I know you understand.
One is the AI slop, right? The fucking, the cattle trample of AI slop that is inevitably
upon us soon with these agents being so accessible is something that is also top of mind,
hand in hand with this being an incredible unlock. And this amazing, if there is targeted, intentional, impactful, non-info five slop,
but actually just elevating automated manpower that is really bot power, but in a way that is
a value add only. That is something that, A, I know Alex is capable of and a lot of us
can help add some sauce with, but it's important to just have that differentiation, which is also
why, you know, the metaphor of Jungle Bay is there's this ocean of fuckery, right? That has,
that persists, this ocean of noise and that Jungle Bay is a landing place, but that has to be a threshold to be able to filter out the fucking, the muck that is the majority of the space, the extractors, the overnight community bros, all these things that come and have their fucking predictable shelf lives.
Jungle Bay needs to represent the destination point once people have traversed through that and made it
to the other side, made it to the shores. So that filter is something that we want to have ingrained
in the heat score in a way. And that's why the time component of measuring these things is so
critical. The DM plus T mantra is something that fundamentally, I think differentiates these, you know, overnight,
this is my new identity.
And then it's something else, you know, two weeks later.
That's something very critical to be able to filter off
and ensure that we protect these shores.
So I wanted to add that, but Alex, great points.
And I'm hyped to see what you have in mind.
You've been up way ahead of the, I mean,
dude, two years ago, you were talking about this shit, right? And sometimes we have to wait for
the tech to converge with the perfect ideal timing. And I do think that we are landing on
that timing, but I always want to be conscious of not overbearing the AI slop shit that people are going to kind of go.
The fact that it has to be something that's thinking three, four, five,
10 steps ahead to be able to persist beyond when these metas come in and come
out like they do with, you know, ebbs and flows, if that makes sense.
Yeah. And that's, that's a good point. I think, think about,
I think about moving with
intention right like um i with with the ai right slop it's it's it's a really valid point i think
if you've seen the will smith uh ai spaghetti video right uh you've seen the i don't know if
you've seen the latest one right in 2026 we saw the initial right one in 2023. It looked like slop, right? And that's just like how blockchain looked, right?
In 2013, 14, 15, 16, right?
A bunch of kind of slop kind of forming, right?
It's like in any industry, right?
When it's like in its infancy and like in its formation stage.
I mean, at least, you know, we've seen mobile development, the dot-com era,
and, you know, and people who are older, you know, you've seen other,
other kind of new industries forming.
And it's just part of the process.
But like you said, yes, we're at that convergence, right, of,
like, it's maturing.
And, you know, I even wrote an article, right,
I feel like we're at, like, that iPhone 5 era, right, for AI kind of thing.
And, yeah, the slop is removed with like the context right now
and souls that like we can give these like agents kind of thing.
And also with intention, right?
Like I just, to wrap it up here, moving with intention, right?
I feel like if we build in public and think about like if the,
we don't use the AI to swarm, slop content and promote and just blop, blop, blop, slop, slop.
But what if we use the AI to build in public, right?
Like where people can actually witness and you can allow other people to engage with this technology and help you build whatever you're building by just giving their one comment,
their two cents, their whatever, one little sentence. And that may be the sentence that
we needed. And the AI picks up that context and it's like, hey, we can build upon this.
And building in public, I think with AI rather than InfoSplop. and what i mean building is actually like building like products right
resources like like stuff right like not just like not just like putting stuff in like here let me
let me here go buy my stuff you know like it's more of like actually build something that brings
people value you know yes agreed and also just something that that uh jp myself blends who's
been in the background like non-stop helping uh he's a absolute
fucking monster on the aesthetics design just you know another brilliant artist too and then goes
um is this this this this constant stress test of being able to distill things down to their
memetic purity where they actually intuitively resonate
with someone upon impact.
Because people have such short attention spans here
that if you don't fucking smack them in the mouth
with mimetic fucking beauty
and an intuitive reception right away,
absorption right away, you lose them, right?
And that's just the reality.
And as we always say,
like if the project isn't doing well, if things are not where you want it, it's not, oh, it's at someone else's fault.
It's no, the memes aren't dank enough. The substance doesn't slap hard enough. And that is just an indicator that things need to be improved or there is room for growth, period.
is room for growth period.
And so that no one else is out to blame,
the market's not to blame, it's just not good enough.
Like that is a useful fuel and spark to continue to iterate,
to continue to make sure that we're distilling things down
to a true memetic resonance.
Anyways, JP, take it off, bro.
I know that was a mouthful, but all good stuff.
And I appreciate alex your input
always man yeah i think uh what alex br
sorry i got a call but what alex brought is the importance of context and on the case of this specific project there is lots of context that already exists
like we have the information from the blockchain and we have the information from the artists
that have created stuff for this project so if you go to the website that is pinned on the space, one of the first
things that you see in there is that there are, I think, 7000 members of the Discord.
And yeah, Sigasa told me like, yeah, but Discord is a ghost town.
That's the 21, 22 era when shit was all crazy, whatever.
And then, you know, it gets put down to the bottom of people's channels.
So, yeah, there might be that.
Like, that's not fake, right? But it's really just a few of us just enjoying what's going on
and the people that like to stay on Discord more.
But we will be
reinvigorating on the times right it's just it also doesn't make any sense to focus efforts
before the timing is is aligned and so the development is going to take place first
and so i just yeah go ahead uh jp no yeah and and the the thing that i'm like, this is context. When I see that the project has 7,000 members of the channel on Discord, that is valuable context.
Because there is a thread that has been pulsing through the people that have participated on this idea throughout the years.
I don't know. I was not here in 2022.
I don't
have inside me the experience
of the vibe.
It exists
and there is something here.
Then you have almost
10,000 followers on Twitter.
That is also context.
The challenge right now
on a product level that i have and that we
have the one that i perceive is uh like at its core is the calculation of the heat score and
that's that's what is top of mind with me right now because it's well where are you at right now
with the heat score and, before you say that,
I think other important points are 100 plus artists,
you know, 300 plus builders, right?
Like these are things that are true.
Like the core community,
talk about quality over quantity.
Like, yeah, that's not cope.
That is real.
It's been an intentional,
and it's really people that actually cared by this point.
The filtering out has been time, but go ahead with the heat score
Yeah, no Alex, what do you want to I wanted to ask piggyback about the hit hit score? I wanted to like see how I
Can contribute I mean
since jungle Bay riot in 2023 I started a web 3 agency and now we're a
team of 15 plus and we're growing.
And I have people who I can allocate to support in any way to this heat score effort or whatever we're building. And like you said, we have all this context and you keep mentioning context.
I love that, by the way. We need now that context for it to be gathered all together under one place, one server, one together that gathers the context and have these models, LLMs, study the context, study the lore, artists, like Sikasa said, all the builders, what they're building and help us execute on that signal,
right? Like, which that's where I think my team can help. But I would love to hear more about
like the heat score, what like, what's being done, like behind, like, what's the efforts for that?
Like, yeah, maybe JP, if you could give the initial kind of overview of where, where the
current spot is, we're going to continue to iterate, but just like from the, even the math
behind how we're, how you're, you've you've initially positioned and how we discussed it I think that would be a useful
reference point it may be not point it maybe toss a little bit of like the tech
stack in there that's like that's music to my ears if you can okay no yeah okay
so I I'm like I value abstracting problems until there are many practical solutions to that problem.
But there is a specific problem here that needs to be solved.
to be solved and it involves using the hit score as a vehicle for people to be able to claim
bungalows of a given token. So I will give a little bit of context on the flow that I'm
proposing right now so that you can understand how the hit score influences that process. And through that understanding,
then maybe have new ideas on how to calculate them
or how to calculate that specific score
that are completely different from what I have thought.
I have an equation that is like amount of days held
times the amount of tokens held.
You know, there is it's like the most basic...
But then compounded by the number of...
Not even that, like not even that, like the...
But it's because I haven't put too much energy on the calculation because I think that it's...
I mean, now it's discovering itself
that it is better to, like, discuss it publicly
so that we can get to an answer, like, together, you know,
because I don't have an answer yet.
But the hit score will be used to do things inside the island
or to establish some sort of commitment
or we don't understand yet what it will signal properly things inside the island or to establish some sort of commitment or
We don't understand yet what it will signal properly but practically
For claiming the bungalow of a given token think of bungalows as the
Screener page of the token but nicer with art one thing that we had discussed i don't want i want to make sure this is
um preserved in some capacity uh is you know the access right like and and i wonder if heat score
is is as useful because the score has a lot of connotations to the info 5 leaderboard stuff
i wonder if we call it temperature because to have a degree range, right? Like a 69 degrees, 80 degree,
whatever it is, right. That, that, that are these different thresholds of, you know, tourists,
uh, uh, Nate, you know, whatever, whatever the, they are like the tourists being the, the, the,
the coldest temperature. Right. And, and having these Island names to them, um, up to like
mimetic sorcerer between like 85 and a hundred degrees, something like that. Right. And, and to be able to have the access to different parts of the island,
locations on the island where people could have,
for example,
Robotnik,
who's not here,
but he started building a game where,
where we could,
you could go to guys,
two people could go and they could wager up three different types of amounts
and,
and have a, like a one-on-one fight,
like a street fighter fight with their apes. And then the winner gets that amount of wagered
Jungle Bay memes tokens, the JBM tokens, right? And the JBM tokens are going to be the native
token of the island. Although, you know, each of the home team projects will have significance.
But what I was thinking about as far as, you know,
requiring there being either the burning
or some sort of payment in Jungle Bay memes
to add skin in the game to contribute to bungalows,
to have these parts where you need heat squirts
to access on the island, I think is a very useful tool.
And it actually can generate real value
because people will have a gamified way to unlock or mine or find gems, find these tokens to
be able to use on the island.
I think that is a fun element that people will enjoy that just having that access by
what they've already done today, by how their temperature has been measured, if that makes sense.
Yeah, yeah. Yes.
But I think of bungalows and the world that is unfolding in a way,
I think of it through a token lens, I would say.
I have the word AppCoin going through myself a lot. Like we see,
for example, the open cloud and the fact that each open cloud has an associated token or the
potential of an associated token with Banker, it creates information in the world in a way that is different, fundamentally different.
And I think that it's important to leverage that. And for leveraging that, my proposal as the
designer of this system is that each bungalow has a token associated with it. Like when you claim a bungalow, it's associated with a token
and that becomes the entry point of the story that that token tells.
But for creating the bungalow and for claiming it,
there needs to be a threshold that determines if that bungalow could be claimed by that given wallet on that moment.
And the hit score will play into that relationship.
I don't know how. That's the open question.
And the hit score, what we have discussed,
is calculated as a consequence of you holding different tokens
throughout time but how again it's an open question i don't have the answer yet
but that relationship between the creation of the bungalow or the claiming of the bungalow
and the hit score i would say is the key of this system in a way.
And then in the bungalow...
What about the gamification expansion from making it an experiential access component to that project?
The idea of a treasure hunt, I think anyone enjoys,
especially when you have the ability to connect it with real value and also as a driver and incentive to actually explore, right?
It's a useful mechanism to have like a pool that's an island pool that people can access through some sort of process and unlock more Jungle Bay memes in their wallet even if they're not buying them but
they were able to unlock them because they have met these thresholds to be able to access these
parts of the island yeah for sure like that that could also be part of how the how the island is
distributed and and for that it's important to understand what is a bungalow.
How is a bungalow on your phone?
You click a link that goes into a bungalow.
What do you see when your browser opens?
So how I had initially kind of envisioned it,
but this obviously is not stagnant and and i i
want to be able to extend it to be more accommodative to if the vision is is different
um how you're articulating it but to be able to have um different amounts of jungle bay memes
that can be burned or you know you're essentially buying the ability to put skin in the game to,
to actually measurely contribute to the construction,
to the development of the bungalow and different types of assets,
whether it be links or building a digital,
whether it's on cyber or Decentraland or whatever the, the,
the more walkable part of that,
that presence is where you can put a store in there.
You can put an art gallery in there,
you can put different types of experiential touch points. So it's really like the nucleus
that jumps off to how the different dimensions of that project, right? So if it's Bobo, for example,
you have the different collections that have been done as tributes to Bobo. You have the history of it. You have different 4chan memes that could be added.
You could have games like the fighting game that Doctor made,
all these different things that people could kind of have the ability.
And based on whether it's a size limit or the size amount
or whether it's a link compared to an image or video, whatever that is, to add
those substance layers by redeeming it with burning a certain amount of Jungle Bay memes.
Yeah, I mean, definitely.
But for that, we need to understand what is it to co-create a bungalow?
And that's practically, you know, that's part of the product design.
Well, practically, I would envision the actual topography of Jungle Bay Island, right?
And the different bungalows being represented in different sections of the island.
And so people have a universal point that they go to for that respective home team project, whether it's a meme project, whether it's an art collection, whatever that may be.
And then to be able to, you know, because you can identify those with the symbol.
You can, you know, purchase different or build different upgrades to make it stand out, to give it its own aesthetic, its own design.
build different upgrades to make it stand out, to give it its own aesthetic, its own design,
and then to extend the dimensions of it by creating these metaverse types of
layers to how people are able to experience it. Like the on cyber Jungle Bay Island that we made
that's a gallery of different art walking through that island
being able to be there with different people yes it's clunky the bandwidth like the the constraints
of the tech aren't there yet um but the experience of viewing art in that way hits different and it
brings an entirely different way that people are able to relate to and experience these different artworks.
So that was kind of one of the points.
But if there's a bigger picture or a bigger, you know, higher sites that you have for what the potential are,
we don't have to be confined to necessarily that because I know visualizing it, especially if you're
doing it from mobile or web, there's nuance there that has to be understood and respected
and anticipated.
Yeah.
And like Alex, you have your hand up.
And actually, before seeing your hand up, I wanted to ask you a question and it's based on, I didn't see you on the other spaces, so I will assume maybe wrong that this is the first time that you come here.
And I want to ask you, how do you envision this? How do you envision what we are talking about? What is it? What is the the product what happens when you open your app on
the phone is this is this an app on your phone is this a website uh what what comes to you when we
talk about this yeah no i love everything you guys are cooking but you, I do think that we are not, maybe, maybe we're lacking putting ourselves in like the shoes of like the user, right?
Like the person who's like not part of the team or not part of like us building this.
And, you know, like what I envision, right, personally, I'm a product guy. I come from like tech and product.
And, you know, I think of everything as either a product, right?
If it's not a collectible, right?
Or of that sort.
But in the case like this, what I personally envision, what I would see this forming, you know, like at the bedrock of this, it has to be an AI native thing.
AI is the thing right now and I think that at the bedrock it should be very simple. You open an app or a browser console and you have to own a Jungle Bay asset.
And if you own that Jungle Bay asset, you can either pay debit, credit card, any crypto or
Jungle Bay tokens or whatever. And you get a open call agent like everybody has one right now.
open call agent like everybody has one right now um you get to unlock right different platforms if
you want it on discord telegram uh i message slack you name it the more platforms the more you know
things you can add on like paywalls or whatever um but i envisioned that right and from there
that axis you start unlocking to all these other things
that you're building up on, like the bungalows, what access that, right?
How do you access that and you build that?
But you have to think about from like a user flow, right?
Make this a limited access, right?
By owning a jungle bay, it should still bring value to the initial collection and that should be the main access of this you have to own a jungle bay and then
it is good you go ahead yep yeah one quick point on that though like we we don't want it to be
because the the idea is is growth expansion right and so like the having a a if let's say you didn't
have a jungle bay you didn't hold one of the tokens that affects temperature, you would have a cold temperature, right?
You would have the Taurus label and you'd be able to understand why in a way that's
easy, right?
And you'd have a clear kind of blueprint for how you can raise your temperature by holding
these different jungle bay island associated projects, right?
And I love where your head's at, but
the one thing I do want to keep in mind is this has been a huge paradigm shift, right? With the
open claw stuff, it's incredible. I've been deep in it this past week as well, and I see where
it's going, but I also have concerns that the landscape changes very quickly and new, better types of functionality,
automation, et cetera, can be introduced. So foundationally ingraining one type of thing
like that could pose issues. Whereas if we have a more simple base that then can have layers added to it with functionality.
I think that will just ensure that there isn't any sort of fad or meta-based headwind that we experience down the line.
And that things can be more as a not blank canvas, but a sturdier foundation that can be, you know, have tech
added to it as a feature, you know? That's just what comes to mind.
I didn't, that would come down to like doing proper reasons on what OpenClaw is and the
technology. That wouldn't be a concern for me, right? Because it's, to me, that's just
the moving part of like
the infrastructure that piece can be removed it can be replaced with whatever is new that's the
difference within ai and and old tech is that like it you know ai is is built like like with these
models right and when the new model comes up you just update the model and like, it's just a quick update.
And I don't, yeah, it comes from understanding, right? What OpenClaw is. And that like, yes,
I do understand like that, like, you know, some stuff is a passing fad, but, you know,
I have a pretty good sense to, to when stuff like oh okay this is no longer a
passing fad you know this is like real tech um in a good example right is even with the
uh ralph uh wig and bloops right recently right like um stuff like that is a passing fad right
even though it was viable tech but for example example, that's a plugging, right?
Like Ralph Wiggum Loop, it's a plugging extension to an AI model, right?
Like it's different than OpenClaw, which if you do your research, right,
you've seen how it's being adapted by like big tech.
Like we're talking about like big tech is adopting it like uh you know the
amazons of the world the apples of the world and and and if you know we have signal of these people
adopting it right like it's it's it's that signal for you know for anybody yeah and i and i hear you
and it's more so that um and i've been using it a lot. I totally understand what you're saying. I see that it's
more just the, you know, from the distilling down to mimetic purity standpoint, right? A lot of
people have two, three second attention spans before they give up, right? So whatever it is,
that is the touchdown point, like they enter the DMT Lagoon, they're
coming, they enter onto the shores of Jungle Bay Island in some way. I think that there has to be,
there can't be a barrier of, okay, now learn how to, you know, correspond with your open claw,
and you can do this, this, this, and this, because people don't even read directions.
That's what we've kind of realized. Now, if they choose to seek it out because the functionality exists, that's a beautiful thing,
and that functionality should be there. But I do think from a simplicity standpoint,
there needs to be that immediate memetic resonance that is intuitively understood
upon impact. You know what I mean? So that's the only thing that I try to keep in mind. I'm not
even saying no, that doesn't make sense to weave in as a foundational layer, but I think it's
always something that we need to be conscious of and not underestimate the short attention span of
these Muppets. Yeah. And I'll leave it with this and I'll wrap it up because I have to join a
meeting here. But I would say that with this open claw, right,
I think it's a little different just because of how it's moving, right?
Like the technology at a rapid pace.
And I'm a supply and demand person, right?
Like you really have to ask, is there demand for what you're building, for what you're doing?
And that's, I'll leave it with that.
And you want to really build to where there's like demand, right?
And supply that demand, right?
And I think we ought to search what is, what are people demanding right now and focus on making sure you're not just
building for where there's no demand, if that makes sense.
Yeah, it definitely makes sense. Thank you, man. It's always good to see, appreciate you coming
through always, man. And to that demand point in general too, I agree.
I do think that we have seen these big boom metas come where they seem like they're not going anywhere.
So whatever it is that is essentially meta proof, I think should be the touchdown point. And then the demand comes into the fact that there is ability to earn,
ability to contribute to what you're building, right? Like that is, if you're able to tie
tangible value to just holding things you've already held, and that is able to be contextualized and spread, that is the gravitational pull
of what the island represents from my vantage point at least.
Yeah, and yeah, for me, when you speak about the memetic resonance that a thing needs to have in order to earn people's
attention, I think that a very strong avenue into that memetic resonance is problems and what
problems people have. Because if the product that is being created solves that problem in a way that feels different and new and smooth and fun and practical and like whatever, you know, different,
whatever you know different that creates a connection that creates trust that creates
like a deepening of the relationship between the user and the system I think that I mean that's
the approach that I try to bring to things and in in that case me, more than embedding open clause for people to create them through the platform, I think that it's better to architect the platform as rails for those open clause to navigate through and differently. And in that case, practically in the sense of this project,
my proposal right now in the version that I'm building now
is to think through how an agent that is created through Bunker,
via teller, how imagine a famous person on AI Twitter creates an agent and then
that agent is tokenized. How can I, as JP, as the creator of Jungle Bay Island,
give that agent the agency or not the agency, but the possibility of claiming a bungalow on the island.
I want to enable that agent to create the bungalow because it is a fun story.
It is a story that I want to see.
I want to see the bungalow of that agent because if I give that agent the capacity of creating
that bungalow, that becomes a source of wonder for me.
I want to see what CKASA's agent transforms his bungalow into.
I love that.
Yeah, that's part of this current iteration because I think that's necessary.
iteration because I think that's necessary. And when we talk about the hit score, and in the case
of this agent, this brings us to the practical aspects of the hit score. For example, what is
the process through which we enable that agent the capacity of claiming their bungalow?
Like, how would you calculate that hit score, CKASA?
How would you think through it?
If you didn't understand what I say, it's okay.
Well, here's the main thing, right?
If we're able to add the functionality where,'s say the agent can register the different wallets that its user or its human holds, right? So that there can be
a cumulative, like let's say someone holds something in their ledger that they've held
for two years or five years or whatever it is, that's a Jungle Bay Home Team qualified asset,
that there could be a way to aggregate all of the holdings as well as the holdings of the
agent to benefit. So the agent then can benefit from the human's hard work and dedication through
the years and then be able to scale with all of its abilities and skill sets, with the access that its human has built with their reputation, their support, their dedication over time.
Yeah, I mean, that makes me think about the Legends of Zelda, Galena of Time, where Link was walking through Hyrule,
and he had this wisp on his back, and that wisp was the navigator in some way.
And it could be like in this world, the agent is associated with the user in that way, in that this is my human relationship.
relationship but it could also be that the agent is a separate entity from the user and it
approaches the island like separately from the user you know they are different users that are
entering the platform through their own ways and in that sense like I don't have the answer which is better.
Which one do you think is better?
Which approach?
You know, I think that it really is going to come down to the ability to execute more effectively on either of those.
Because I think there's a lot of pluses. There's a lot of pros and cons to anything that we choose.
So it really has to be what is most feasible, but also, you know, carries with it its most
mimetic punch, right? And also impactful value add elevation components to it. And I wonder if,
like, if an agent, let's say, is able to be the beneficiary
of the holdings of its human, if there could be, the agent could then be deployed to help
add assets to the DRB bungalow, right? Because there is no project founder for DRB,
but Grok is the dead, but Grok's not not coming through he's not doing anything active right so it's like would would just the the qualification of a certain temperature
for for the agent that is authorized by the user be able to then benefit and decide whether it
wants to deploy jungle Bay memes to to add assets to that whatever the respective bungalow is right like if we can tie the reputation slash
holdings of the human um to an aggregated sign only verification that the agent can go through
the the work of compiling and make the clear docs they're accessible for the agent, that could be an amazing, seamless, frictionless way
to have these builders, which are these agents,
actually building crazy shit into these bungalows.
Yeah, I think that it would be interesting
to have a sign-in via Banker, you know, because right now in the current version of the website that I'm creating, I have login with X.
I'm logging users with X.
And the thing is that if there was a login with Banker that under the hood used the login with X, we could solve all that problem of identifying the wallet of a given user and which is the associated agent from that user. You know, I'm not sure about this like technically, but it feels like a
problem that is not solved yet. And I don't know how to solve it really, but like banker already
has that data. So it would be interesting if they allowed us to log in with banker in some way.
Yes. I have multiple wallets that are synced to my banker that were assigned only, including my ledger.
So we know that the tech exists.
And if people are already using it and banker is such a Jungle Bay home team, you know, strategic alignment, let's say, that makes things very easy and also can potentially enable us to add in a social engagement component to the calculation of the temperature or the heat score.
Yeah, I mean, that user experience problem of, okay, I need to log in the user.
How do I log in the user so that I can get the information from all of their wallets with as less friction
as possible. And if I give you logging with X and then I propose you sign with all your
wallet, that's lots of friction. It's too much friction. And that brings us to the point
of the starting question that I brought. I never said it before in the space, but for example, Farcaster, logging with Farcaster
solves this problem in a way that is fundamentally
different, but I have the perception that people don't like
Farcaster and don't like using it. I don't know why,
but if I showed a logging with Farcaster instead
of a logging with X, it would feel different for the user.
Yeah, it would be a huge barrier.
Yeah.
And one question, and this might be totally out there, but if we are using Privy or Banker,
the login as a component and then an automated, essentially, aggregation of people's holdings that
whatever they have already registered with their banker account. Is there a way to add to the heat
score? Let's say someone like doesn't hold a lot of assets because let's say they just don't have
the funds, but they have been a very strong Jungle Bay Island or Jungle Bay supporter through the years on X. Is there a
way to add social engagement over time as an element of raising the temperature for somebody,
raising the heat score? I would say that's hard.
Out of my capacities right now, I'm not sure if I could do that.
I don't know.
But it feels like a hard problem and that it's an ocean of noise.
Filtering that noise would be a very hard problem.
The only filter I would see is whether it's like literally just keyword jungle bay over X amount of time, number of mentions or something along those lines.
Yeah, I would say it's hard.
Yeah, I will think through it, but it feels like too much friction in a way. I mean, I feel it's hard,
but I don't know. If there is someone that knows how to do that, please reach out to me.
And I think that the holdings of tokens over time is something that can be measured and can be calculated mathematically without doubts.
And I think that's a very interesting starting point for calculating the hit score, you know.
And there could be like different degrees of hit score in terms of which tokens add more.
I don't know.
I need to work on that.
Yeah, just planting that seed.
I think it's cool.
Go ahead, Alex.
Yeah, I'm glad you guys brought Banker
because Banker actually made OpenClaw their foundation model,
just FYI.
We know, bro.
I know you know.
We are Bank-owned team. And a lot of the things that JP doesn't know that he keeps saying,
I don't know about this.
For example, the banker integration,
you can open a Google Gemini tab at docs.banker.bot
and open a Gemini tab and say,
hey, how can I integrate Banker into my app via auth?
And it's via six different steps can be accomplished.
So a lot of these answers can be addressed by having,
even while you're building, this is what I'm talking about earlier,
like a core agentic workflow where you have a model just listening,
a core agentic workflow where like you have a model just listening, gathering context
on Twitter spaces, telegrams, DMs, group chat. That's why everybody should have their own AI
assistant, their personal AI assistant. And I think this is the selling point here. That's
the demand right now. That's where the real demand is. Everybody's looking how to get their own
demand is everybody's looking how to get their own personal AI assistant that's not just a chat
bot like chat GPT that will actually do something that will actually build stuff for them build
something for somebody who's not technical and yeah I mean you don't even have to be technical
you can just go to like dog.bankr.bot and figure out how to implement Bankroth into your app.
So it is possible six different steps.
Request, auth, consent, handoff, exchange, and access.
Yeah, happy to help.
If there's any where we can help,
like I said, I'm happy to bring an agent onto these chats
so we can unblock a lot of those blockers that we have,
mental blockers that we have.
That would be awesome.
And like, definitely let's sidebar the, the,
the barrier we've run into since, you know,
nobody has ever taken a profit that's involved with the project is that we
have a very tight bootstrapped approach that we're just kind of forced to
have. And so that's that you know it
really is going to be dependent on on that component as well of what is feasible to
incorporate but you know um we can maybe get creative with that so so definitely we'll sidebar
um yeah i would i would be bringing my assets essentially as agents and they would be like real agents, right?
One can be a software engineer, one can be a marketing, one can be this, but it's going to be all my Jungle Bay assets.
And I'm happy to deploy my API usage.
I have like three or four $200 a month cloud code subscriptions.
Yeah, I'm happy to push any of those to my Jungle Bay assets for sure.
Fire.
I think, Alex,
like practical next steps
that feel aligned right now in terms of that
is to like relive the Discord channel
or server
and have some channels in there with those agents so that we can play around.
You know, like this is all emergent phenomena and we don't know how it will impact the development of the project.
of the project, but if we have a sandbox where we can play, that's helpful.
But if we have a sandbox where we can play, that's helpful.
And Discord is probably one of the best channels through which to play with this open cloud
agent.
And this is, I'm sorry, JP, this is like the beautiful part of this.
You can literally have users that prefer Telegram, right?
Because they're crypto native.
You can have users that prefer Discord because they're gaming native slash NFT wave slash crypto. And you can have users like us who will be on
both. And for example, I can go and ping, be working with JungleBase69 in Telegram about a
different project, right? Helping them with their bungalow and
cloud coding in that session in the main telegram and with their bot and my bot like working
together. And then I can go with another user and ping my bot in discord and say, Hey, tell this
user jungle bay 420 what I'm working with jungle bay 69, please. And it's going to gather that
context and just block without you having to do
anything.
So I think that's the beautiful part of this, that like this system,
like open claw, right?
Like that, like, it's just, it's a, it's not like a, it's a bunch of systems
just together, right?
Like it really makes it where, you know,
how I kind of articulated the constraints from a budget standpoint that we,
that we have.
Like what is happening with these agents is leveling the playing field where it's like now it really is just who has the best ideas
and can they execute in a way that is innovative enough to leverage these automated systems, efficient systems to be able to have it like there's a 300 person
company working when it's really just five motherfuckers trying to cook. Rob Markman 1, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd,. Oh, I understand. If you have a skill of video editing, music, software,
engineer, whatever, you have to teach that agent that skill
that you know and build with other people who have other skills
and grab those skills for your agent.
That's what it comes down to.
Yeah.
And so we'd love to take you up on continuing that dialogue.
Maybe we could all meet you know meet in in discord
on that throughout this this process and um and just maybe if you want to have some suggestions
like like you know you've always been around for for jungle bay so that would be uh certainly
appreciated all the firepower um that's you know aligned with what the general um approach is it would be a huge help um you know to be clear
no for sure this is pure bootstrap i want to make sure it's clear right i'm offering
like my stuff like uh for the community like pretty much like i'm giving you access to my
cloud code subscriptions and like kasa said it's really up to people like what they want to build
and how they engage
with these like resources,
right, and agents.
So, no, yeah,
I appreciate for giving me
the access again, Brian.
You know, I've been holding
since day one, right,
since Mint,
even before the baby apes,
right, before the whole trenches,
like how we came to probation.
And no, I'm happy to go back
to the roots and, you know,
facilitate these resources.
And like you said, really level the playing field because that's what this is all really doing, really.
Awesome. Appreciate that.
And I think, you know, in general, JP, I don't want to drag things on too long either.
I want people out here. I appreciate everyone coming to show up.
I see my dog melted, their life in glory, All these motherfuckers. Everyone listening, man.
I appreciate all of you.
JP, are there any critical points that we should touch on before we wrap up episode three and get back to work?
I don't think so.
Things are exciting. I, and I, I appreciate Alex coming up and, and I would really like to see a
channel on the discord of jungle Bay where there is an agent running and we
can, um, talk to it and like start from there, like the simplest expression of a collaboration that we could come up with
and have that be a seed of further explorations.
I think that those interactions with this system, with these unfolding systems,
allow us to
understand
how to use them.
Who knows
how to use these things? It's
too mind-blowing
and if there is a
Discord bot that we can
talk to
and whatever,
it's useful, you know,
so go ahead with that. Okay. Great. Thank you for coming. Everyone.
Yeah. Thank you all. And, um, you know,
if people have ideas and you didn't get to speak or whatever, just hit me up,
hit JP up. We, uh, we'd love to hear different,
different perspectives and, uh, yeah, we'll see you guys soon.
See you back on jungle Bay Island, JP, uh, JP, man, we are grateful for, you know,
you bringing your vision here too
and letting some just next level,
multi-dimensional sauce to the mix.
My dog, Bland's always there too, man.
And yeah, let's see where this goes, man.
I'm excited to see.
There's nobody that has been cooking like Jungle Bay
for as long as dedicated
all the different home team artists that continue to bring new layers to this shit
um i'm excited about what the future holds
bye bye see you guys Thank you.
