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#DevLife for Newbs: Open Mic AMA and Tech Teach - Postman API Class
Recorded: Sept. 6, 2025 Duration: 3:07:54Space Recording
Full Transcription
Well, excuse me, take a few minutes to mellow out.
Big Daddy Kane is on the mic and I'mma tell about a minimum lip of rhyme with strength
and power.
So listen to the man of the hour.
Go and go to a slow tempo and you know, sing, hold, swing, low, then yo, the show will
go on.
As I perform transformin' on stage, I got the step to con.
But I'm not animated like a cartoon, I'm for real shooting lyrics like a hawk.
Across the crowd, the listeners, the spectators, so let's groove with the smooth rock creator.
This sounds so smooth.
The South so smooth.
The V-I-G-D-A-W-D-Y-K-A-N-E, I'm good and plenty.
Serving many and any competition, wishing for an expedition.
I'm straight up, dissing, dismissing.
Listen, Raffles acts so wild, I love the profile.
Front and hard, but ain't got no style.
I give nightmares to those who compete.
Freddy Krueger, walking on King Street.
Confusing, losing, losing, losing, losing, losing, losing, losing, losing, losing.
They ain't going to take clues. Destruction use. My name won't be a blues.
Destruction from the exterminator, but in a calm manner.
Cause I'm a smooth operator.
The South South Steve.
The South South Steve. Just keep yourself safe. Scoop like ice cream. So just swing a fling a gathering. Try to cling. Because it's a big daddy thing.
And I'm loving them right worse.
Balls will just play Marvin Gaye and Les.
Get it on.
I make it real good like Dr. Feelgood
to make sure that my point is understood.
That when it comes to this, there's none greater.
Sincerely yours, Smooth Operator.
It sounds so smooth
Thank you. If you know like I know, step off, competition, I'ma get rid of, you can't get a bit of, I'm so just consider, I'll break the rest, vacation, havination, and make paper my smooth operation, I'm a smooth operator.
It sounds so smooth.
to South French school. It's Patrick!
It's Patrick! What's up, buddy?
What's up, buddy?
Gordon's in the house. Good to see you, buddy.
You guys want to join along with us?
Oh, yeah.
Ice Labs had some...
Had a need for a little bit of support last week and then
reached out and was like maybe you could show me how to do that so i'm gonna bug you for it
and i was like we'll just teach you today so here we are everybody um we are doing a
impromptu morning space at tco yeah. And if you want to get ready
and you want to follow along,
there's a screen share right now.
It's meet
M-E-T
dot JIT
J-I-T
dot C
slash Dracadis.
Go there, I'm
casting my screen.
Right now, I'm just doing some work.
So you can just watch me do boring work for a minute.
Uh, but the plan is to show Ice Labs how to
just get his holders for his NFT collection.
Um, and actually Ice actually, I'm assuming
I shouldn't do that.
No, no.
Okay.
Come on up.
So the idea is
just do a little T-tone.
It was like, well, do you mind if I invite some other people along?
No problem. So then it was kind of like,
well, why don't I just do a space and show everybody because it's kind of a fundamental thing that you you should know how
to do and and i think when i show you how how i do it it's going to teach you how to do other things
immediately and i think that's just a great thing so ice labs welcome up
and take a tonic that's a place called
COVID.
Are you there?
Thanks.
Yeah, I think GM, everybody.
GM, buddy.
You're a little broken up.
A little scratchy on the connection, but good morning.
Thanks for letting me do this.
You use a way to teach this out to a whole bunch of people.
And guys, this is nothing special like
where it's it's not difficult it's uh it's not like you got to have coding background anything
um if you want to follow along it's just a matter of getting the right tool in place and then knowing
how to use it and how to read the mintgarden documents and what I'm going
to show here, you can carry on
into a whole bunch of different things
and so I hope
some of you do. Ice Labs, again,
thanks for letting me do it this way.
Hopefully. Yeah, thanks
for helping me with getting up the list.
I had to transfer
the NFTs very late because I didn't get
the list in time, but thank you very much for helping me do that
Sorry about that
I kept going over to do it
And then the kids
It was like the next morning
I was like oh my god I'm such a shithead
I took forever getting you such a simple thing
But here's the thing
This is why it's good for me to teach this out
Because it really is and can be quite simple
And when you get used to what i'm about to show
everybody um the whole bunch of doors open up so follow along again we're at meet.jit.c so it's
jitsy is the the thing we use but it's meet.jitsy slash dracatus um let me jump over and see if
anybody's in there.
None of you are in there yet.
So I can't really be teaching until you see it.
So M-E-E-T dot J-I-T dot S-I slash Dracatus.
Nice.
We got Warden in here.
Warden, you should be able to see my screen.
Give me a thumbs up if you do.
Where can I see the screen?
That's what I'm saying.
You have to open up your web browser and go to this address.
Okay.
Meet, as in M-E-E-T, dot J-I-T dot S s i slash dracatus beauty we got steve in here is that stepper steve is he in the room it's oh i shouldn't say names
shit my bad i don't know who it is and what who it goes with but i'll be mindful um and it's
patrick's in here too it's patrick i don't know that got stuck in my head recently patrick there
was this tv commercial that used to come on here in canada all the time all the and i'm pretty sure
it was life insurance so it had that particular flair to it if you know what i mean sure it was life insurance. So it had that particular flair to it, if you know what I mean.
And it was, we all made fun of it because it was just, you know, innocently, it was
whoever filmed the commercial, the way they had the actor do the whole pick up the phone
and, you know, pick up the phone and it's this old couple and it's like the old dad
looking to the mom and being all surprised it's Patrick's, oh, Patrick's gone now on
Spaces.
But it's like they would pick up the phone and it was, all surprised it's patrick's oh patrick's gone now on on spaces but it's it's
like they would pick up the phone and it was uh oh it's patrick and it was just really low and so
everybody not not just me and my family but it was like a common anyway so every time i see patrick
now in my head he goes oh it's patrick um okay i i don't know okay i see patrick's in the yeah okay so i'll send my mic across both
hopefully you guys aren't getting crazy feedback if you're listening on spaces and then in the
space as well if you are getting weird audio just let me know and i'll fix it foods is in the room
what's up buddy hope you're doing well Okay, so you guys watch my screen. Basically, the ask was from Ice Labs was,
I need to get a list of all my holders. I got things I got to do and I'm having some troubles,
be it tech troubles or whatever the case. I just need a quick one.
So it's kind of a good opportunity for anybody who doesn't use APIs or feels like,
oh my God, it's an API, it's programming, I don't know what to do.
This is some base level stuff that we're about to do very basic.
I want you all to go to Postman,
if you're watching my screen,
Postman website,
and you can either use it through the website or you can download it.
Just think it's your standard cloud architecture.
So whatever works for you, just go ahead and do it.
I have it downloaded.
I use it on the browser as well.
It's kind of up to you.
It's free.
None of this costs money.
None of what I'm going to show you costs money.
So don't think about that as a barrier as well.
So I'm going to give you a bit of time.
I've got it up on my screen.
If you're watching the screen, you should see the right site.
You should know where to go.
If you don't know how to browse the internet, I can't help you.
But depending on your platform and whatever, take a few minutes.
I'm going to put the music back on and give you guys a minute to get this
downloaded, installed, account set up, whatever you plan on doing,
and we'll go from there
if you have to accept the request you have to accept the request say that again sorry
you have to accept the request
i have to accept the request for what for uh joining the room. That's what it says here.
No, I shouldn't have to.
There's other people in the room I never accept.
This is like an open drop-in room.
Can you send me a screenshot of what you're seeing in the DMs? I think very deep. Let's begin. What, where, why, or when?
Will all be explained like instructions to a game?
See, I'm not insane.
In fact, I'm kind of rational.
Oh, I can't put that on my screen.
I'll check out my phone inside. Ice Labs, can you send me a screenshot in the DMs there?
Let me see what you're seeing.
You should just be able to just drop right into the room.
There is no restrictions.
We've got Steve Patrick and Wardman here.
Are you there, Labs?
Yeah, I'm about to send you a spinger.
Okay. Oh, it's a post in the, uh,
I gotcha.
Oh, you got it spelled wrong.
That's why.
That's why. Here, i'll put it in the comments
for everybody that makes sense
that's all good man double t is double t's instead of double c's Double T's
There you go, there's the new one
Alright, get in there and then we'll get going
Warden, this is really good to know
We're on a team together for the Hackathon
In two weeks
This is good stuff for you to know
Because maybe give me the thumbs up or down warden
uh or holler it out in the room there um whether thumbs up you know how to use apis
no you don't know but you're excited to know i gotcha so warden this is um this is good stuff
to know for hackathon stuff if you want,
because the one thing that we're going to use as an example,
which is Bryce Labs to get all of his holders lists.
The same thing we do here, you can then, after you learn this,
you can just go back to MintGarden's API docs over and over
and just start using all of the features.
Once you learn this, you can start start using all of the features. Once you learn this,
you can start playing with all of their features.
So it's a great thing to know,
and it doesn't just apply to MintGarden.
What I'm going to show people here applies to all APIs.
So once you learn this skill,
you can quite literally start to consume any API on the planet.
This is a really great, easy way to do it with tools. This isn't how you would do it like building in a server. You would write the code. But in this case, when you're developing a project,
you'll often use Postman to easily organize either the building or the consumption of APIs,
which is just nothing more than talking to systems and getting data I see the rooms filling up
nice nice ice labs has made it sweet okay so this this is what you want ice
labs if you see my screen. You want to
check your mic too.
You want to mute your mic
if you're in the room.
Here, I'll mute you.
Yeah, just stay muted
because I can hear you
in the room,
depending on which one,
but you can't have both
when you're going.
It's going to cause
crazy feedback.
So this is Postman, postman.com.
Can you see that, Ice Labs?
Yeah.
All right, solid.
So you want to go here or install it.
I have the installed version.
I like the installed version.
But essentially, you need this on screen, either in the web form or like the installed version but essentially you need this on screen either in
the web form or in the installed form same thing no matter where you go um
see it looks the same it's you know classic web platform so it really doesn't matter whether
you're installed or not uh ultimately you're going to want to end up on uh this screen where you're
not uh ultimately you're going to want to end up on uh this screen where you're here let me go back
i already have them started so ice labs do you see where it maybe says start a new collection
under workspaces maybe create workspace if you can see my screen, I'm pointing at it here.
Are you there, brother?
Yeah. Are you there, brother? Okay.
So do you see, do you have a workspace created?
On Postman?
I'm about to create one.
Let me know when you got one created,
because then you'll be caught up to where I am and we can kind of get going.
All right. For the rest of those watching and listening, you'll have to jump in and cut me off and come on stage or in the room.
You'll have to do what you can if you have questions, but I'm going to move along here.
Essentially, you need Mintgarden API documentation,
which is just at api.mintgarden.io slash docs.
Also on my screen, if you're watching my screen.
This is where basically you get the instructions for,
how do I get all this info from Mintgarden?
How do I ask it for it and what does it give me back?
That's essentially what an API does.
You make a call, it returns data.
Postman is a program that devs use to facilitate that in testing.
So it's a really great way to get in and play with APIs and test them.
So what I'm going to show you here is how to set that up, Postman,
how to read the documentation, and then how to use it up postman how to read the documentation and then how to use it within
postman and once and if that sounds at all complicated to anybody in the room i don't
know everybody's coding experience it's not it's it's really easy it's just i mean it using wallets
is far more complicated than this shit so uh just go through the routine once or twice it sticks
it's like riding a bike you won't ever forget so the the main goals are right now have api.mintgarden.io slash docs up on your screen
in another tab or through the installed version you want to have postman up and running
um dog stop stop stop um so we're gonna work with just as the first example um to get this going
um dog stop stop stop
we're just we just want to get the owners of a collection we're gonna use that as a baseline for
what our goals here because i'm not going to do a huge long space but we want to get the holders of a collection we want to be able to see
who has all of my collection right um and if you see my screen you'll see that's the list there
so essentially the way apis work is and ace fails is free so you can just use it um you go to the
documentation if you go to the category that you want so in this case we're going in the
collections documents and we want to know all of the owners actually i think it's is it this one
or that one that they use at least feels got two yeah it's it's the one if you're looking at the
docs it's this one get collection nft owners and you just click it. And over on the right side, it tells you
what you need to call. It says you need to make this. And you can just pop this into a web browser
and replace this part, the collection ID part, with the actual collection ID from Mintgarden.
And you're going to get the entire list back. So at a base level, if we go and we call up, say, Mintgarden,
and let's do Alpha Gooses.
Which foods is in the room?
Is he still in the room or did he ditch?
He ding-dong ditch?
Prick.
We'll do Alpha Gooses anyway.
And so when you look up at,
up in, actually, let me just use
drag because it's got the proper format.
So when you look up any collection on MintGarden,
up in the top in the URL,
there's always a COL collection ID.
If you're watching my screen, you'll see it.
So you take this collection ID,
and that's all you're swapping in place here
where it says collection ID.
Mintgarden says if you put this in your web browser
and you change this out with an actual ID,
you're going to get something.
So we go like this, we copy,
we can start a new browser, pop that in,
go back to Tracatus get that id and then we'll
just replace it right here and this essentially allows you to call and get your entire list
it's that simple you don't even need to use postman so maybe we'll just leave that out but
that's that's really all you're doing with APIs is saying,
okay, what does MintGarden say I have to use
and what does it want me to replace?
There's other parameters that you can sometimes
in the more complicated routes,
you know, it might say you need a collection ID,
you've got to also pass other parameters of like,
do you want the, you know, pagination
and different parameters of, you know, if it's owned by you or not, only returned what's owned, things like that?
And you'll learn that.
They just are little parameters that you use and modify the overall call.
But it really is as simple as this to get all of the owners of the collection.
Does that make sense, Ice Labs?
Did you follow that?
Yeah. to get all of the owners of the collection does that make sense ice labs did you follow that yeah
okay you can take this url that you've just created up in the browser here and you can pop that into postman and save it and now you just have it forever so now it's a forever tool
you open up postman you come in here you make a call a call, right? So if you're in the workspace, you can just create new,
and there's REST APIs and stuff,
and you can just save that URL inside Postman.
And anytime you use any API anywhere,
and you have a key for it or you don't have,
you just save it all in Postman,
and then it just becomes a quick access tool for you from that point
forward.
So Warden, this goes to what I was saying to you about take note on this stuff, because
it's kind of like the beginnings of a tool belt.
If you start to learn how to read API docs, that one is pretty easy.
We're just getting the collection ID, right?
If you start to save those things you just it's like your batman belt so if i come up
here and i go to uh get collections for example and i come over here it just says call this and
that's simple there's nothing to replace nothing at all to replace uh i could again go to a browser
and punch that in and okay there it is easy enough but again having to do that whole process is kind of
cumbersome so you use postman to come in here and you say add new new requests i put that there and
i and i just save it like that that's all there is to it save and and now anytime i come in and
hit send boom there's all of mint garden's collections so i can give this a descriptive name and say um get all collections
all right so there's my get all collections tool just like here's all the nft ids and the owners
and so on like you just start stacking these things up um different um see here's michael
taylor data layer stuff when i was doing testing with data layer. Here's space scan stuff that I was doing, Twitter stuff.
You just start to save things in Postman.
So use that tool, get comfortable with Postman.
But essentially, all you're ever doing is going to MintGarden's documents.
Did I lose the docs yeah
um you're just going to the documents and you're just saying okay well what do i need so for
example nft get nfts by id this launcher back 32 that's just that's just the the nfts id you can get thumbnails you can get original data um you can search for things
you can work with wallet addresses you can even verify signatures the only difference with this
one is that it requires a post which is because of security stuff so you'll want to do this one
in postman um but you know get addresses um there are also, I think he's got tools in here for,
where did it go? I swore he had other stuff in there. Anyway, the point is,
you read the API docs, you figure out where they want you to call, and you figure out what
information they need. And then you can either put it in the browser or you can do it in Postman.
I suggest you do it in Postman.
Any questions, Ice Labs?
No, I got everything.
I got everything.
And the list you sent me, I just put it on chat GPT and it filtered out all the addresses and the number of NFTs it had so um the addresses
that had 405 NFTs I knew that was like the original address that uh Mint Guardian sends
to the owners who went when it buys so I didn't send the NFTs to that address I only sent it to the nft that had the addresses that had uh from uh 18 to one nfc's
one og passes in the address yep so uh yeah i got everything i got everything thank you very much
awesome sweet so that's that's apis in a nutshell guys that's all i wanted to show today i'm glad
that you picked up on ice labs um you you can just, at any point, keep building up your tool list.
Like, from this point, we could jump over to SpaceCAN,
and you could read SpaceCAN's documentation, and it's the exact same thing.
So, say, API docs.
You jump into SpaceCans API docs,
get XCH balance.
See, again, it just says you need to do this.
So it gives you an address
and you've got to swap out the XCH address.
So if we want to get the balance of something,
we paste this in here.
I'll go grab one of my wallets, just grab this.
And we just put that address right here and done
there's there's there's my my balance which seems yep that's right um so it's it's it's not as
difficult and if you start taking these tools for example take this one and we go back to space scan
i could say well make me another one.
I want to save that.
That's a good one.
I'm going to use that.
Just put it there.
Save it.
Give it a name like space scan get xchbalance.
Done.
Now I have that tool forever.
Done.
It's like Batman belt.
Boom.
You can start doing things
other things with this more complicated but uh warden did you get it give me a thumbs up or down
if you if if you understood that can you hear me ah i can hear you everybody else can hear you too
just heads up you're you're not private you're on you're in the room but the room can hear the
twitter space can hear it as well yes Yes. So I got everything pulled up.
I was a little late.
I just woke up.
All good.
Yeah, I have this recorded, so.
Sweet.
I will double check this tonight.
Awesome.
Okay, cool.
Anything you want me to go back over right now?
Any questions?
No, I think I have it.
I mean, no.
This is like a fundamental skill of devving.
Everything runs on APIs.
APIs in crypto world,
they just call it an RPC.
Same idea. Same exact idea.
If you can use an API,
you can use an RPC.
If you can use an RPCc you can use an api
it's it's no different it's one computer calling another computer you have a certain set of
parameters that you have to use sometimes you have to be authenticated which gets complicated
but for all the great stuff that we have in the chia space with all these great devs like ace fail
with all these great devs like Acevale and Safari
that are providing these APIs completely free.
And a lot of this is what a lot of things,
like Go For Me for example is really popular right now.
It's using APIs heavily, heavily.
I think sometimes for new people in the space,
it can be a little scary
and the dev sounds so complicated sometimes, but it's really not once you learn how you're stitching these things together.
Jeebs is coming up.
What's up, Jeebs?
Jeebs, welcome to the space.
Good, man.
How are you doing?
I'm all good.
So I just asked about, you know, the 22-hour upcoming space.
You know, I saw it and I showed the films, but I just want to know what happens
to you, because I cannot wait to, you know,
just share my experience with,
you know, my experience on the game,
maybe I think it's been over a year.
I'm having a hard time hearing you, man.
Sounds like you're in a fishbowl.
Oh, sorry. Let me just, I think,
let me...
Oh! So much better. So much better. Oh, sorry. Let me just... I think... So, can you hear me now?
So much better.
So much better.
But I can hear myself now.
But I can hear myself now.
Yeah, I had earbuds.
So maybe that's what...
All right.
Your volume's lower, but your volume's lower, but you're more clear.
You're more clear.
All right.
So I just want to know more about you know the the 22 hour uh upcoming
spaces that's coming up and i just want to know you know when exactly exactly so i can prepare
for it because i just i filled in the forms but i don't really know exactly you know when you know
when the schedule is so i just want to while I'm talking so I can hear myself.
Okay.
So, 222-hour space is September 19th to 28th.
It's starting in the... I've got a schedule.
I've got to put it up today.
I've got a bunch of that on my plate to put out.
There's a hackathon.
There's all kinds of different events and things that we've got
planned more of them will continue to come as we go but the 19th to the 28th is the date starts in
the afternoon ends in the afternoon um on the on the beginning and end day but we're basically
we've got a bunch of hosts a bunch of people from the space they're either gonna participate as
guests or listeners or whatever,
or they're going to, they're going to try and help us host.
If you're hosting, we're basically,
we're not going to try to do something where everybody uses the same account
and all that. That'll just be insane.
We might do something like that, Brad and I,
with some fun things that we have planned, but
basically the hosts are going to string
that we're going to, like, if you're going to, if you're going to commit to hosting a
space, you got to be in the previous space ahead of time, right?
Like, you know what I mean?
You want to be in the person space beforehand, touch base, make sure that like, we want to
share the links in the nest and we want to have the beginning of each space, say 222 hour marathon space or something, you know, and have that continuity from space to space from host to host to host.
So there's going to be some space hopping.
It's not like we don't have Guinness World Records or anything.
And it's not like we're trying to actually hold.
I'll probably do as much as I can as far as like always leave my space going if if it dies
then the the person who's running it and co-hosting can pick it back up so we have technicals that we
have to deal with that are x related that we have no control over so as far as like the logistics
we're going to roll it out just like we did each time we've ever done a marathon space and we'll
just do the best we can.
We got a bunch of chads and experienced people who are doing it.
The hackathon, you should get a team of like, say, four together.
There are no rules rate yet published.
Brad and I are going through them and thinking it out,
but we're not going to publish those to like last minute.
There is a schedule kind of set um which i can
put out today so that you can get a better visual on the calendar um because like check-in spaces
for the teams and then we'll have a big finale with judges and the whole thing but if you're
curious about like what is it going to be how do i know what i'm going to you're curious about, like, what is it going to be? How do I know what I'm going to? You're not right up until the last minute. You have to just maybe look at other hackathons and then take into consideration that likelihood something meme related or something
that caters to the ability for people of all skill level to it's not about it is in no way
a super competitive hackathon. Not at all. That's that's actually the opposite. What I have in my
in my mind, in my mind, it's this beautiful opportunity for laughs and fun and creativity and helping new people in a team environment maybe get some exposure and so on and, you know, learn and upload.
That's more the goal of the overall 222-hour marathon spaces,
is that we have the timing and the tooling that we didn't have before,
and our community has really grown.
And it just kind of felt like to me it's really the time to showcase a lot of the talent
and the tech in our kind of circle of networks.
So that's really the overarching goal is just to have a lot of fun and get
a lot of the news and the hype out there for the crew.
That's really amazing and I think it's a perfect opportunity for me and people like
me who just recently joined the Tang Gang to just share their experiences, seek knowledge
from each other and just grow together which is why you know i just i just hopped on it the minute i saw the the google docs and you know
i just registered because i mean this is going to be you know an amazing space and i know that i'm
going to be you know super amazing people to just share you know a lot of things with i got a lot
of things to talk about especially when it comes to ai and nfts you know we've got a couple collections
you know lately and i just can can't wait to talk about it.
So I'm going to keep my eyes for the guidelines, you know,
the last minute guidelines,
so I can know exactly what to talk about.
So it's super amazing.
Well, first you'll have to get your mic fixed,
because I literally had my phone pressed against my ear
and the volume off.
I don't even know if anybody else are due.
But yeah, that's great.
And, you know, you saying that dude but yeah that's great and you know you saying that
being new to the Tang Gang and stuff
that was part of
I think it was Brad and I in a space
and there was a moment where
we realized there was a bunch of new people
in the room and then we got
thinking it was like oh my god when you think about the last
time we did the two
like the marathon space
we weren't even really the Chia and the Tang Gang weren't even really as fused as they are now.
And the Tang Gang wasn't as sprawling as it is now.
And the tooling, and it just seemed like, wow, we do have a lot of new people.
And if you're new, you definitely weren't there a few years ago when we did this really amazing marathon space within the Tia crew.
I think Brad holds the record.
He was heavily involved in leading up that charge.
Him and Clyde Wallace and Brant.
Yeah, I think it's Clyde Wallace on here.
there was a lot of really great people involved,
There was a lot of really great people involved, and it was an amazing time.
and it was an amazing time.
Actually, most of the people that I've really come to follow
and respect as far as devs and consider close friends
came from that space.
So we're going to attempt to do that again as best as I can.
I've not had something up like this before,
although I've done festivals and things IRL, but it's a lot to take on.
So if you have, you were saying projects and stuff that you have underway, I'd love you to sign up as a guest.
If you want to do some hosting, you're more than welcome.
We're going to try to provide topics and things for people every day so that hosts kind of have the, you know, the knowledge of what's going on or what's been talked about or what's happening through the week, like a schedule and all that stuff.
Plus, we're going to do some really cool stuff.
So, say you were a guest.
The great thing about the times we live in now now say you came up and did a guest spot where
you highlighted a project you're working on before you we would have to go through the battle of
trying to get those people on stage multiple times at different hours on different days so that we
can get as many people in and ears on the topic as possible but now we don't have that problem because we can record the space,
download it, and have Mark and Ava do a review show.
And we can run that twice in a day
on those hard hours
where it's either hard to get somebody
to cover as a host
or there's just low,
you know what I mean,
traffic or whatever.
So I think there's a unique opportunity,
I think, to showcase
in an amplified way than we could before.
So anyway, that long rant to say, please sign up as a guest speaker, as a host in the hackathon.
It's really for everybody.
There's no real hard set rules yet.
We haven't had any kind of shitty situations or requests or anything.
It's going pretty smooth.
It's going as I expected it would go with the crew.
It's pretty amazing.
I already signed up.
I think I signed up as a space, but unfortunately, I couldn't get my main card and URL because,
you know, Kobe's unicarding me down.
So I couldn't really get the main card and URL, but I did sign up, and I cannot wait.
I can't wait.
Sweet. Yeah, I'm super excited, too. I can't wait. Sweet.
Yeah, I'm super excited, too.
I see Edward's down there.
Edward, I think, I'm hoping you're going to host.
I think you signed up for us.
I have to go in and do all this kind of logistics today
and go review all the people that have signed up
and update the calendar.
I was going to try to do, like, an iCal calendar
or some sort of, like, maybe a Google calendar or something to make it a little easier to monitor.
And then I was like, well, I don't just use lovable and I'll just whip something up with that.
Or just I didn't really want to get into it with cursor and get deeper.
But anyway, there's a million ways to to do to do a calendar.
So right now it's just in spreadsheets just because it's faster to's faster to work with uh edward is coming up nice how are you buddy
good man how you doing oh there's a lot going on uh i i actually i'm not by my computer so i was
hoping you could put my name down in the hosting slots. Yeah, I'm away for like two weeks.
So I'm kind of like trying to figure out the best way to do it.
But I can pretty much host every day.
Is there a free time slot every day at roughly the same time?
I'm glad that you asked that because that's what I've been shooting for.
I've been shooting for consistency so that people can count on it and, and know, you know what I mean?
And take the guesswork out of what's happening from one minute to the next.
So yes,
I'm going to finish my smoke here,
leaning out the window and then I'll go down and I'll crack it open and,
and we'll get you slotted in some spots.
I think.
So we're like,
what 11 or 12 hours,
the difference you and I.
Yeah,
I think so.
Exactly. 12, I think. Exactly. 12. Okay, cool. hours the difference you and i yeah i think so exactly 12 i think exactly 12 okay cool um brother
from the other side of the planet um so it's everything's posted in the easter time edward
so you have to figure i guess it's 11 hours for you or 13 whichever way however you know what i
mean um uh but everything's posted in Eastern time.
So we'll just have to make sure that we convert.
So what's better for you as far as your time goes?
And then I'll translate it over here.
Let me think.
I'm pretty much free most of the day, I guess,
but I'm not sure what the open slot is
i know you do the morning space this is morning time isn't it for you now so uh yeah we're coming
in afternoon here so we have basically between tea money and his good morning show every morning
and then we always follow t uh t money we have a couple hours every single morning covered
but you know where and and i don't know if
this is if this works for you but i'm just it would it would slot for me is the odd hours that
are hard for eastern time are like the 3 a.m but that would be your afternoon could you do those
yeah put me in for that yeah for sure amazing I'm going downstairs now. That would be incredible.
And you're a veteran, too.
You know how this goes, man.
You were all part of all of that.
So it would be super comforting to know that you're at the helm in the hours where I'm sleeping.
sleeping or or maybe sleeping i don't know we all you were also there for the for the the the big
Or maybe sleeping.
I don't know.
space and you saw how little how little we all slept that was uh we were up forever um so
foods can take it till midnight eastern he's doing most of the nights uh ConLive is doing some. So basically, hour midnight, so you're noon until 4 p.m. your time.
So noon to 4, Monday through the Saturday would be six days in a row.
bro. Actually, sorry, bullets. I put him in the wrong spots. These got to come out.
Actually, sorry, Bullish, I put him in the wrong spot.
So these got to come out.
You could have four hours every day for the entire event. If you wanted it at noon to four.
Okay. Well stick me down for that. And if someone else wants to do say two hours of it,
or they want to take half of it, that's fine for me as well. But yeah, that, that sounds good.
We'll peel it back. Um, and light, lighten it. Like we'll put you in for half of it, that's fine for me as well. But yeah, that sounds good. We'll peel it back and lighten it.
Like, we'll put you in for all of it,
and then we'll lighten the load as things come up.
And people want into that.
Like, if you do want more, if you want the whole, you know,
you're speaking for it.
If you want the hours, they're yours.
Edward.
Edward, I'll put you there. Copy copy thank you so much edward appreciate it man
my pleasure looking forward to it i'm glad that you picked the ball up with this
it's a i i think you called it a festival in the i think it was in the very first
oh no it was maybe the second one but you were the one that said it's like a festival and it actually is like that so I think it's I'm excited for it yeah me too man it just kind of
felt like the right time and I know that it was kind of tried recently and it fizzled um which
I'm you know obviously this is the back of my head I don't want it to fizzle but I feel like
you know I was talking to Clyde yesterday and Clyde's in, um, he slotted in for,
for two hours on two days, but I also know Clyde, I know he's going to be showing up.
Um, and I know that spaces will run long. I mean, I'm, I'm really hopeful Edward that,
that it more mirrors the, the, the three year ago one or whatever it was than it, than the,
the the three year ago one or whatever it was then it then the the one that you know didn't go
as long um 222 hours a long time man that's a long ass time but i feel so much better having
you at the helm there dude that's and that fills such a huge gap um i'm going to um
i'm gonna get the schedule out so i'll add you to the hosting room
let me do this now one sec um where did that go to marathon space at edward
all right you're in the you're in the hosting room there now dude um i'm gonna if if there's
anybody in here that is hosting and i haven't added you to that room jump in the schedules
are in there edward i'm gonna post the updated one now and you'll be able to kind of see
um in here i'm gonna provide like talking points and stuff i'm just gonna ai rip it of course but
every day,
ideally I'm going to be posting things in here of like,
here's some suggestive talk topics.
If you have lulls in the,
in the room,
because that is the thing.
And you remember that as well.
I'm sure.
Although it wasn't,
it's not,
yeah,
you could definitely have worse problems in the world than a lull in
conversation or whatever,
but,
you know,
we've got music,
we've got AI,
we've got all that. Um, so um so yeah utopes what's up welcome up
oh i've still got my screen sharing on whoops hey good morning good morning
um if it's morning for you or good afternoon good evening good night whatever it is um i
was going to i think i signed up initially i can help out with something i can't guarantee
what that something is can we can i ask that whenever that something is that we do a women
in in the space featured?
I don't know if you want to go that road, but I know there was a couple others that had talked about it.
Yeah, totally.
I'm totally game for that.
I was actually going to suggest that as like one option.
Like I just, well, I mean, that would be really cool.
I know there's a bunch of women in the Discord and that have like popped up on spaces here and then. That would be really cool to kind of bring people together. Go women. Rah, rah.
I've been chanting this rant a lot lately, or championing this thing, because one of my IRL clients, very successful female business owner, and we've been chasing grants for her funding lately.
And so it's just very, it seems like I'm on team fems, team fems, but we have a lot of cool chicks in the space like yourself. I mean, it's kind of predominantly men, and I'm sure it can be kind of intimidating sometimes.
We can all be kind of loud and whatever.
I think I want to do a kid's space.
I'd love to do women in crypto space, all the different groups of people and not
just turn it into either nerd rant central where a lot of people feel left
out if it gets too technical or it just gets very bro-y.
Yeah.
Listen, I am, I'm on board with that.
Like if I could hook up or link up with people to kind of flush out some
ideas and I mean it
doesn't have to be scripted or anything but I just would want to do some some
notes yeah where you know how long how long is going for like I have this
local founders thing I think that one weekend when this is going on that I'm
thinking about going to still but
like whatever kind of times are available that you sort of need to fill in and even if it's just
like for an hour or something I'm sure I could work I prefer to work with somebody too that I
could kind of like I don't know if it's a co-host situation or what but I also have like cool songs
I've been working on.
So I might like actually be in a place where I could share something that, you know, I'd
love to get them on Chia if it's possible.
And I don't really know how to do that and all the ins and outs, but, you know, figuring
it out.
So this is a great, this, this space will be a great way for you to do all of that.
this space will be a great way for you to do all of that.
We've got some people that are doing spaces where they're literally teaching
and building in the space.
They're going to be building a project.
Like Monkey Zoo is going to be doing basically a project through the week,
and I'm going to be kind of doing the same thing.
And ideally with the kids, I want to do like a junior mint thing
where we teach kids how to mint and be creative and all that.
We can have a nice safe space.
So as far as yours, like absolutely plan how you want in that sense yeah like have fun with it it's really um yeah like can you can you put me is there a group or anything or just sign up so
there's there's a bunch of sign up forms i gotta go in and look at them now and see. Yeah, there's some new stuff coming in.
Yeah, I'll add you to the host thing here.
I see it's you, Toks.
What's that?
Is that L underscore L?
Yeah, okay.
It is a... I got you there there i got you now okay so you're you're added
to the the host room and you'll see kind of some updates and a lot of the info sharing amongst
hosts that's all going to start to come up real quick because a i'm building a bunch of things
trying to finish things for that plus i'm trying to organize this if if anybody wants to help organize like i like it's kind of just me right now um and getting hosts and stuff but i
would love to have like a weekly meeting i mean there's only two weeks left so maybe every couple
days if there's anybody that wants to help organize and wants to just jump on a call with
me each week and help push this thing along i would also love that as well um utopes though for sure talk to like
to jenna and and all the other ladies in in the in the space yeah yeah for sure i'll reach out
looking at the times here so as far as hosting goes there are some of us doing large blocks
like you just heard edward took a huge amount of blocks it's kind of probably not great hours for you but we can always you know slot you in anywhere but right now the spots that
are open open um you basically could have three o'clock uh to uh sorry two to four o'clock anywhere
in there uh the uh what's the 20th 21st 22nd 23rd and then you there's also two hours uh two hour block open on
the 25th 6th and 7th and 8th at 12 o'clock till two o'clock but if you have a preferred time that
works for you i guess my point is i can move things around and all the
hosts are going to be willing to juggle so that everybody can host so that's just kind of what's
free wide open but just let me know what works and we will make it work all right sounds good
i'm driving so i'll take a look when i get back okay cool yeah and while you're thinking about
it while you're driving just think about is there a way you know you get in touch with whoever else is going to do with you um but maybe it's every two
days i mean if you want to do it every day 100 but the same like as edward and i were saying the
same time would be great then people can depend on this is happening at this time right so think
it through get back to me all good i mean no no rush, but we're two weeks out as well,
but we can work with it.
The co-host comment, yes, we're going to be doing co-hosting.
And so part of room recovery, if Twitter crashes,
a key element is having a co-host at all times.
Two co-hosts get more people on stage for speaking.
One co-host helps if the host phone or whatever crashes or battery dies or whatever.
They've got a bit of a time that they can get back and recover the room as long as they have a co-host.
So we're going to definitely run that strategy.
So if you could pair up with a friend, somebody you've got a rapport with, that would be awesome.
It just helps carry it along.
Ice Labs.
Yeah, you're welcome thank you
uh ice labs what's up yeah i think uh i'd definitely be able to give a few
hours tutorials on adobe illustrator and photoshop is if that's possible i can do it thousand percent dude i would love that um i might even sit in i
love photoshop and illustrator i always joke with my parents that i only ever need the internet and
photoshop and i'm good i'll make a living that's that's all i need um but yes definitely so just
like we screencast their jitsy's free we can just set up rooms and you can put it in your comments
or post it up in
the, in the, in the top and people can go. And so if you're doing that, I would suggest, you know,
fielding questions and stuff as you go. Um, but doing like a lengthy teach out with a large room
is really hard. Eventually you get too many people in two different, two, two different of a pace
and learning curve. So if you're going to do something like that, I would say, do it with
the intent that you're going to screencast. you're going to field some questions a little bit as
you go but you're going to stick to your main you know you're going to build this from scratch to
end and that's the kind of goal because the crowds can steer you off pretty bad right which which
you know is normal but that's just a suggestion but i I would love that. So kind of same thing.
Most of the slots that are open are mid-afternoon,
Eastern time right now, early afternoon. I can do any time.
And I'm going to have it like stages.
I'm going to have the beginner class,
just lines and color and shading.
Then I can do layers,
drawing layers on the illustrator and then stacking them up.
Then on the next class,
I can do like generating on my generator.
And I'm just going to have the schedule.
I'm going to organize everything if it's possible.
Oh, I would love that.
Okay, Ice Labs, I'm going to add you now to the host room as well.
Oh, man, this is great.
I love you guys.
This is the best community ever.
Ice Labs, you are now in the room, sir.
Awesome.
So now that I've added all you guys,
I'm going to just quickly do a schedule post
update here one sec uh where'd that go all right so this is the hosting schedule so
i'll i'll actually post the link to the schedule you You guys can go in and edit. Be good and goddamn careful because I'm going to keep copies.
And if anybody's going in and doing shistering things, shifting people out of their spaces, I'm going to lock it down.
Use your better judgment.
Be an adult about it.
But I can, I've let a few other people, you can just go in and literally, instead of filling out that form um you can just go in and handle
your times right there when you're looking at the spreadsheet it's good to understand
because spreadsheets are in blocks right and the times are on the lines so every block has a time
at the top and the bottom of the block if you think of it that way um it's at the bottom of
the block that is that blocks that you want to be reading it in essence.
You know what I mean?
So just be just be mindful of that because I can it's kind of like time zones.
You'd be out of an hour if you read it the wrong way.
But there's two schedules.
I'm going to hold on.
I'm trying to get them up.
There's one that's a hosting schedule.
And then there's one that's labeled as the guest schedule in the spreadsheet.
And essentially, the guest schedule is me trying to organize the show names or the show topics.
It really should be labeled like space topics or whatever.
Hold on.
I'm getting the link as well again.
Hold on in a sec.
Again, just please be careful if you're editing the sheet.
There it is there.
So if you're in that room, you should be able to see that sheet.
You should be able to go in it.
And if you're planning your spaces like you're talking about there, Ice Labs,
then you can think of the hosting schedule is where your time slot is
and then pair that time slot in the guest schedule
and you can put down your progressive
plan or your teach out or whatever it is that you're doing um hold on i think i got somebody
here at the house hello it's me oh hey some young fellow just came home pardon me
yeah you just get home they just drop you off yeah he's being all proud of you
okay uh you're gonna run down the park sure buddy um check back in in an hour
be good love you um anyway what does this say okay so the schedule yeah so the guest schedule is essentially trying
to figure out the shows and what people are doing so a good example is monkey zoo there at the top
of it you'll see he's got a whole thing planned out every single hour it's really great and so
uh ice labs uh utopes if that's how you guys are going about it and you want to work with people and plan it out, I would love that.
Definitely.
It's going to make for a better show.
You'll see in the guest schedule where I have the hackathon kind of parted out.
I might actually, you know what, I might just make that.
It really kind of depends on the host, too, right?
The hackathon is slotted for the four, five, four, five.
Yeah, perfect.
I'm in on all those.
Yeah, exactly.
So I'm just going to do hackathon update every day.
Awesome.
And then I got to figure out the junior mints
and then the women in crypto or the women in
whatever however you want to do women attack or or you know what uh heck yeah so anyway um
ice labs go in have a look um it's nice if you can fill out the form though. Still, if you go look on my profile, just because it asks for contact info, which is
going to be helpful for dealing with, if you have an alternate way or a better way to get
in touch with you.
Daisy, stop.
Um, if we need to get in touch or if there's say technical difficulties or an emergency
happens or whatever, Ooh, thy revolutions in the room.
I'm bringing you
up dude and putting you on the spot putting you on the spot um get in here and get some time
slotted for you and your crew dude um i really would love to have coc all the way through this
um as much as you guys would like um so please uh get in touch with you dude or come on up and
um so please uh get in touch with you dude or come on up and and we can even do it right now
um t money i'm already i see you down there brother you already got your slots you're like
a morning staple man mickey is he there mickey oh no oh no technically see we got to be prepared for this edward i'm throwing
your co-hosts because we're gonna start practicing um rev try again or spin the block and come back
um i'd love to talk to you i'd love to get you and your crew settled in here
i'm really looking forward to this i got a ton of work between now and then of things that i'm
trying to get out for you guys as well crate being the number one right now it's just like
i have two clients i need to knock off two things for them today close those two day um that are
irl that are paying the bills so i've got it their priority but then after that is just like heavy heavy crate and i want to do mojo friends get there but that's a little more
complicated so i have to do that with bullish on the side so what i'm going to do is spin is what
i have been doing is spinning up a new infra for uh start from scratch crate not as in code it from
scratch but just brand new infra new db all that kind of stuff
so it's it's it's fresh um yeah rev can you hear me now yes i can hear you sir sorry about that
always good for seeing you my friend how are you doing so good to hear from your brother i've been
good how about you how's the fam i am good thank hear from your brother. I've been good. How about you? How's the fam?
I am good, thank you, sir.
But whatever you need to ask me, the answer is, of course, yes.
Well, then, if that's the case, the question is,
when are you coming over for a visit?
When are you flying to Canada?
Let's go.
As soon as I get a passport sorted.
That's the only question I had to ask.
I don't know what you're talking about.
That's it.
You said something about you were coming for a visit. Oh, as soon as i can get out of play and i would love to come visit um uh but seriously would love to have coc involved
you guys are you know great with your gene interviews and and all the stuff that you're
doing we've got it's kind of like extended family you know what i mean it's like bring all the
cousins to the to the party right um 100 i'd love to support this in its entirety well dude it's gonna be a
long one 222 hours um we got some veterans in here that have done it before um but this goes
all the way back to like the days when you know we've kind of first met maybe a little thereafter
we met but yeah nostalgic just doing
it so having you involved is perfect yeah let's go no yeah i'll definitely anywhere and everywhere
i can help i'll definitely do that what's your timeline schedule look like that would be
preferred or ideal we're basically asking if you host we're asking that you commit to an hour i
don't want to be getting into half hour cycles or i can do it for 15 minutes i'm not doing that an hour if you can but you can have
as much time as you'd like you know given that it's filling up that's that's a little harder to
say but um yeah no absolutely but yeah no definitely more than happy to um to host some as
well um we can do one two hours or whatever like
we normally do with our spaces on that it has to be we could either do it outside of the spaces we
do or make it that make that the space that we do instead because we do fridays and saturdays don't
we 100 and like t money and i and brad are doing you know we have our regular show we do anyway so
and the world Meme Championship,
they're kind of doing the same thing.
They're going to do their thing.
And we're just going to keep that label up in the top of the title consistent
so that, you know what I mean,
we always have that front preloaded prefix of 222-hour marathon.
And then people are going to be filling up their rooms.
I added you to the host room, the host group in Twitter there now.
So you should be able to see current schedule and the link to the spreadsheet is there.
So if you go in again, don't remove anybody.
But if there's somebody that you see as like large, like Edward just came in and just basically saved the day on what is really late for us, which is his midday.
really late for us which is his midday um but you know he he may want if there's a time in there
you're like well i'd like those two he might welcome the the the alleviation of all that
that commitment right so just make sure you ask the group before you go change in anybody else's
stuff but if you see open slots dude just slot in yeah perfect yeah i can do that no problem i'll
definitely not make any changes to anything without chatting to everyone, of course. But, yeah, we'll try and see what slots that we can help host.
And then also, obviously, what spaces we can attend to kind of help support it
if people need any assistance with the hosting as well and with, you know,
getting the guests and stuff.
So, you know, I'll definitely be all over that to assist them where we can.
We're going to do a couple, like couple themed events or hours or sessions or shows,
whatever you want to call it.
I think you were in the room here long enough to hear us talking about some of it,
but like kids in crypto space, like a safe space that we can put PG
for all the other stuff for the whatever age level appropriate kind of thing.
So that we have, you know, I just in my head, I keep thinking junior mints. And I think it'd be just great we have you know i just in my head i keep
thinking junior mints and i think it'd be just great to to have a bunch of kids in a room and
some adults they're helping them along to work and collab on a project together for an hour each day
and then they've got this thing to return to and you know they can see the less degenerates
i can be a little more nurturing than degenerate um and then utopes was talking about
uh you know women in crypto or tech or something to that effect and then there's the the hackathon
which you know you can get your get your community into it would be really cool dude because it's not
really bound to any specific tech um or chain.
You've known me long enough.
I'm not a maxi.
I like playing in all of the techs and all of the webs and weaving it all together.
So we even have people from base that are going to do some hosting.
So feel free to, it's not just Chia and it's not just Tang Gang, right right it's the kind of collective in the community and
highlighting everybody so um you know if doglands wants to come do a thing if anybody else like
absolutely would love to have christian in and whatever you guys want to do just um be in touch
and we'll work it out right andy i know it's got some stuff going on too so it'd be cool to have
andy yeah yeah definitely that would be awesome um but
yeah well I'll take it to the team as well and we'll talk about like um you know how we can how
we can support what you're doing and how you're doing it and if we can tie in what we do regularly
into that for that for that month uh or that that week or whatever sweet buddy sounds good um no yeah count was in yeah
hey uh sorry i'm gonna shift for a second money line's requesting to come up i don't know money
line i got a co-host edward i'm gonna i'm gonna bring money line up because he's got some followers
it doesn't he doesn't you know he follows me but Sorry, Moneyline.
I don't know you.
I was just a little cautious because we had somebody doing some jerky stuff up top.
Heads up, but you're coming up.
Inbound!
Oh, there was an error adding.
There was an error adding.
Oh, this is Andy Borwall?
Okay.
We've got the Edward in the building.
The Edward?
The, yeah, the one and only man, the Edward.
Edward Luz.
Oh, that's all.
Yeah.
Hello, Edward.
My man, how's it going?
It's been a while.
It has been a while.
Good to see you, my friend.
Mickey, have you ever been interviewed yourself?
Not being the host, but actually answering questions.
That could be fun.
I have once, yes, but I'm definitely down for it.
Love it.
We should definitely do it.
We'd love to know what your favourite kebab is
oh yeah
well I was just about to tell you
but then I thought I'd have to wait
if we are going to do an interview I'll tell you then
the man of mystery
well this is dope
this is great thanks for pitching in guys
I'm really excited about this whole thing um it's gonna be epic i'm looking forward to it yeah man um i think it's
gonna be really good i think it's and we have all this ai tools to have fun like i'm i'm i'm
cooking up roasts for people you know i'm gonna do a jean roast, a Bram roast, and so on. So there's going to be some fun things that we just couldn't do before
that we can do now.
And when there's really great spaces that happen,
we can just pull the recording, do American AVA AI,
and recap the whole thing and fill the slot if somebody gets sick or something.
You know, we couldn't do this.
It was really manual before.
Now we're all
ai'd up that's the one but now uh yeah i love a good roast i'm british it's like it's in our dna
maybe i'll do maybe i'll do the roast of you that's that's how you know if someone's a friend
in the uk if they if they roast you on a regular basis then you're good yeah well that's how me and my buddies are basically
the closer we are the more we gas on each other for sure yeah yeah that's awesome is that you
okay um yeah yeah man i'm with you the roast is is part of the part of the friendship
it's it's it's standard issued equipment actually you got you got
to have it to survive you got to be able to um what's new with you buddy what's uh what's on the
plate uh school must have just started for the kiddos how's that going yes school has started
which is which is awesome i mean it's it's only been the first week so you know it takes a week
to get back into that yeah to that routine you obviously getting up earlier to get the kids to school, but I'm not going to
sleep earlier to factor that in, so that needs to change. But yeah, it's good because the kids
are back at school. I mean, I've been doing a bit of editing for a chef called, I forgot his name,
no, he's called Jay Tinker. He was a MasterChef finalist back in 2012,
but he was a stage four cancer survivor
and he's got a nutrition company.
So I've been editing a YouTube channel for him,
helping people learn how to cook healthy food
affordably from home.
So that's been really fun.
I enjoyed doing that.
Oh, dude, it's so cool.
Listen, I got a buddy of mine
who I'll put you in touch with.
He's a master at product
development and marketing and he started a company not long i kind of met him through the veins of
like when me and my buddies were doing the dragon's end tv show thing and yada di he's kind of in that
entrepreneurial life and anyway he started a very successful business.
Now it's called the farmer's truck and it's all about local food and
healthy eating and,
and so on from a food truck.
And from the perspective of what does he call it?
Like food deserts.
I think he refers to them as the,
the,
the,
the within certain region, you know, the sparse anyway, yeah, the, the, the, within certain region,
you know, the sparse anyway, yeah, yeah.
I'll put you in touch with him. His name's Fred.
He's a freaking genius when it comes to like social and marketing and he's not
shy. He's very charismatic and you know,
he's got a nice thick French accent cause the accents always help as you know,
they're always nice to listen to um so i'll put you in touch with him he lives in my region of
the world but he's really passionate about that sort of food education across the board so
oh that's awesome yeah the jay is just the same he loves effing about it and um you know if and if And if they can help each other, he'd probably fly out to meet him
and speak to him as well.
He's that kind of guy.
So that would be epic.
Fred is too.
I talk to Fred every now and then.
We keep in touch on a semi-regular basis, check in.
And it's always like, oh, I was over here in this part of the world
spreading the good gospel of local food.
And it's just like, really?
He's always, every time i talk to
him he's been somewhere different he's like oh it was over in england or oh it was over in france
or i was here there it's just constant that's epic wouldn't it be funny if they were already
friends because uh he recently went to uh to canada to see one of his friends it'd be just
really funny if it was the same person it would not surprise me it would not nothing surprises
me after the past three maybe stretch it to four years yeah four years perhaps four years of my
life have have taught me it just coincidence isn't really as coincidental as you think
and so yeah like-minded people like think of think of, I mean, the connection, you, me, them, yada, yada, and then it seems almost kind of natural at this point for that to happen, because I've seen it happen.
It almost seems rigged. And the only way I can describe it is that spaces has allowed, you know, from my own perspective, my own experience has allowed me to more easily come in regular contact with those who are like minded and have similar interests.
And I mean, you put two boats in a pool, they will eventually come together.
Right. There's this.
Yes, that is true and
i've kind of seen i've kind of seen algorithms do one or two things that it either shows you what
it thinks you want to see until you want to see it or it will put in front of you the things that
you are going towards to kind of give you what you are going to become to want if that makes sense
so like i feel like we're we're on the the wavelength of where we know where we're going so it's kind of seeing that from our past
experiences and it's kind of putting those things in front and if you know you get enough people
doing that then you find each other so no you're dead right there it's it's it's somewhat akin to
just part of the being prepared for your moment, you know, surrounding yourself with the right people, making the right choices,
doing the right things, you know, learning this, that, and yet I've talked about it
with Brad on spaces so many times about showing up every day and,
and failing every single day as far as getting to your goal, right?
Like every getting through the, and so this space is full of people like that and mindset's a big piece of
of the overall puzzle of being a builder and and living that kind of so i find it it they all kind
of relate in that way they have similarities and how it pans out and i just I don't believe in coincidence as much now as I did before.
Definitely.
Yeah.
It's a cool, it's, I don't know, man.
I have so much to be thankful for
and a lot of it has to do with showing up in Twitter spaces every day.
Yeah.
Sorry about that.
It just kicked me out of space for a second there.
Oh, no worries, man.
I just got tired. The algorithm was like, speak don't speak about me we are my consent oh yeah man it's uh it's a crazy space i love it the mindsets i don't i don't think
you can put this much talent and skill together and and mindset and then on top of it the ones who show up every single day
not just when when the the bags are up you mix those type of people together long enough and i
mean you're gonna bake a cake bro that's just all there is to it i'm no means that yeah well said
your accent's just the frosting on the cake, bro.
Thank you, bro.
So, listen, I know in your part of the world, there's a ton of different variations.
You know, like slight... It's crazy, isn't it?
Like, in Canada, everybody's...
You know, we kind of got, like, a few.
But my understanding is you can tell
what what town somebody's from by the the variant day yeah definitely yeah in in england you can you
can tell just by like you don't even have to speak you could just look at someone and you'll just
you'll probably be able to tell where they're from but uh yeah their accent it's so funny how
different the accents are like for example me and tony um we live like 45 minutes apart yet his accent is like a different from a different
continent yeah that's what i've heard it's quite extreme over just the and and there's a lot of
them so yeah i don't i don't have an ear for it i can't tell where you're from i just know you're
mingling that way somewhere over there i think i think that's why the banter is so good
in england is because there's there's so many things to kind of throw at each other yeah it's
almost like it's been by design and you guys got a lot of good expressions too like where i'm from
in newfoundland i don't have my newfie accent it's long gone but it's just there's all the short
quips and funny ways of saying things and yeah yeah, anyway, all that to say,
it's nice to hear your voice, bro.
Yeah, thank you, bro.
What are you working on?
What's new?
So we've almost finished the book now,
so we're just prepping to,
I think we're finalizing the last story,
and then we're going to go back
through the stories themselves,
all the artwork he's done.
So we're going to be looking at...
Do you still want me to do the Token Gate thing,
or did you figure something else out or what
are you doing uh yeah if yeah yeah if you if you are still willing to assist us with that that
would be awesome oh yeah that's like a two-day job just we can do that no problem you just wanted
you just wanted a token gated on the nft right that was my recollection of it so that you couldn't
access it unless you owned it yes yep yep yep no problem yeah if that's if that's
all right and uh no i appreciate your help there mate because uh i know you're busy yourself and
you've got a lot going on and that's okay just send me contract uh address and you know the relevant
details like i'll need um i'll need the um oh god the term is... Oh.
That's kind of buggy for ages.
Oh, dude.
You know, in the contract, you need...
It's not URI.
You need the...
Oh God.
I need the M contracts.
You need the contract address,
and then you need the...
On the tip of my tongue,
it's like the API for the contract.
Oh my God. Why am i flaking on this um
even i can't remember it anyway i need the details to connect to the to the contract is what i mean
so that i can validate yeah no that's fine i appreciate that what are you guys doing the
contract through like third web or anything i'm not 100 certain yet um i was going to speak to uh christian and
andy about that you do it through third web really easy you can do it on on you guys still doing
poly polygon mostly right or what are you doing it on well we eventually want to do it on every
chain uh well not maybe not every chain but chains as possible. But we'll be doing Polygon and Ethereum.
Okay, so do Third Web.
And then you can just tie me in as a collaborator.
And then I can get the access to the info I need to connect to the contract.
And then I can build it out, scaffold out what you need.
And then we can... Oh, wicked.
Yeah, that's all I need is that.
And I can get the scaffold in place in a few hours.
Oh, that is epic. thank you jeff yeah definitely i'm definitely excited for that to come to fruition it's been i want to
show you something actually um but i don't have it turned on for ah shit i can't so in drac i did a
book like a guidebook nice and you can turn the pages like you can grab the page
with your thumb on mobile and you like flip it and hold it and it's like the paper it's
just got a cool effect it's just a nice page flip anyway um that would be that would be brilliant
if you go into the guidebook and drag no it's not there if you go into it on the mobile, okay, listen, nobody do this in Judge Thurik.
I haven't optimized the book for mobile totally as far as the size of it goes.
But, Mickey, go on your phone and go to the DRAC website, jercatis.com,
and then in the main menu, there's a field guide link.
And if you click that on your mobile, it's going to load the book in mobile.
It's going to be kind of tight because it's two page layout and whatever but if you grab the page
with your thumb you'll see what i mean yeah and and we can do that on desktop and mobile for your
book for the nft if you wanted yes please that would be epic i was just looking at it that is
wicked do you see it yeah it cut it cut the audio off for a second because when you go onto your website music's
playing so i literally i was literally in doing massive updates drac is things are coming for
during the marathon so i'm like at epic levels of speed i got like five things going up on time
yeah yeah so you're one of those developers though there's a there's developers in the space that Like, at epic levels of speed, I've got, like, five things going up on time. Yeah, yeah.
You're one of those developers, though.
There's developers in the space that how long things take doesn't matter because you can see what you're doing, you can hear it,
you can, you know, again, you're showing up every day.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I know that you're probably always conscious of time,
but I don't imagine many other people are, who are in favor of what,
in support of what you're doing.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Some devs are weird about like,
they don't want to put things out with bugs.
I just don't have time to sit and be secret for six months and then come
out and go pow and then go into hiding.
It's just,
I just rather just keep it going and keep it pushing and keep it going.
And so,
yeah.
I'm getting so excited for the space, man.
The 222 is going to be awesome.
This is going to be great.
Oh, shit.
I'm trying to get Gene and Bram, but I haven't heard back.
And I know they're super busy, so I don't want to, like, pester too much.
Yeah, well, I was just going to,
I was going to mention that actually,
that we're featuring Gene and Bram this Friday.
Oh, sweet.
Rub it in.
Exactly.
A week from now.
It's like I picked up the bat phone and gave Gene and Colley picked up on the second ring.
Meanwhile, Drax is waiting for an email back.
I was like, oh, I can't say it now,
but I thought, no, yeah yeah i'll say it but uh yeah
no i'm looking forward to that oh i love sitting in on the spaces with you guys when you do your
interviews with them i love it i think they're they're really really good and uh it's it's nice
just to it's it's different it hits different when i'm sitting in a room like and you're hosting
you know and i've got this friend that's hosting with this this this guy that you know i can kind
of call a friend and admire as far as it's just it's a different vibe right i love sitting in on
your spaces yeah thank you bro i appreciate that yeah no worries man yeah we do it we do enjoy them
we do really enjoy them like it's just it's been awesome um hosting hosting spaces and connecting
with so many great people with great minds and
you know that's that's what we love we're all enthusiasts you know we think we're
enthusiasts first really and seeing what people can accomplish with the tech and
you know when you find good people you can connect with and get close to and like like you guys and
gene and you know when when you can see the profound things to do with and you can kind of
connect with them and kind of reinstall reinstates
like your faith in humanity doesn't it when you've got good people yeah at the forefront of a tech
industry at this caliber it's awesome to be able to kind of like speak with these people and see how
the technology canon is being utilized you know what's funny and and i'm gonna venture to say and
i don't speak for gene by any means i I'm going to venture to guess that they probably feel as what I'm about to explain.
So for most of, so I'm a social guy generally, but in my work, I'm just like, I'm hard to work with.
Let's put it that way.
This is very go, go, go, go.
And so I've been, I've worked a lot by myself and then
contracted within teams and stuff so it's not like i've been isolated but i often get compliments
like that like it's really nice to be able to come in but i don't think people stop and realize
sometimes that for the the chads for the the devs that are like our heads are all the way in it.
It is exceptionally nice to,
to, to be around people who genuinely understand it and appreciate it.
It's, it's, it's a vibe for us.
Like I've never had my work admired in this way before.
This is a whole new vibe. it's normally just the boss is
like yeah that'll do it that'll bring in the the the investment or yeah that'll bring in the revenue
you know what i mean it's like tickets are done i'm going home for the weekend fuck this place
you know and and it's it's just so this scene is i i mean i don't think I could have ever dreamt that I would have this.
And Gene's life is very different.
I'm sure he's had the gig of following forever,
but I'm sure to a degree there's a sentiment there
where he enjoys, you know, he's so accessible.
Him and Bram, they're so charismatic
and, you know, friendly and the whole thing.
And I think, I don't know about bram
because he's a different different beast altogether but gene strikes me as somebody
who enjoys it because again from the other side there's there's some really nice positives for us
that aren't what did you guys build for us it's just the support side so it's cool man this face is i mean i'll preach it until i'm
blue in the face that the the twitter space is is far more powerful than i think a lot of the globe
realizes as far as the people that are in it yeah no i could yeah i couldn't agree more that it's
true um and it's like um i can't remember the exact story but i think you know which one i mean it's the story about the um the old car that people just thought was rubbish and then
when it was put in um into like a collector's club it was highly valued because it was a
collectible and it's the same thing isn't it when you when you find the right place where your value
is seen and appreciated it is it is a totally different vibe um and that's what i love about like like
what you guys are doing like what what hangry animals is doing you know um well you know and
andy with what he's building with hangry animals and the gaming for good ecosystem and having
people recognize the the vision like you know i'll never be able to fully see your vision but
i am starting to see it mapped out and the more the more that you build and the more we see
the more we can understand it um and it feels good to because i think it's kind of new for
everyone isn't it like it's good for you to be able to build something and and it be appreciated
for what it is and not just seeing as like what people can get from it but the same on the other
side is that like i can get closer to you and ask you questions about what you're building and why and how and that's the thing i find most interesting about um devs like you and andy is that you're
willing to teach people and help people learn and if somebody else is kind of in the same
same league as you guys it isn't then a competition it's a case of oh could we collaborate and make
something better or can like can i help teach you something you didn't know to make what you do more efficient um and I just think it makes great
a great community and it makes a great environment for for new people that want to kind of like
tap in and learn and like because like what you said I me personally and the things that
for like editing and videos I never ever saw myself going down that avenue but
when you people start to value what you do you start to value yourself a little more as well and think oh maybe i am capable and
now you're at a point in your development life where if you can't do it or haven't done it you
know you could learn how to which means that nothing is then nothing's off the table and
it's great to see you knowing that and doing what you're doing with that mindset yeah it's been
nice yeah it's definitely
helpful that way having that community feedback and support let's just smash at things with a
different attitude for sure i used to be really i the past 10 years of my life there was portions
aspects of it that really beat the life out of me in some ways i won't get into it but
just you know it just and and it was inevitable that i would always get back to a form of myself
right but the 10 years was a serious shit kicking and four years ago the community was a big part of like okay getting back to like getting that
gusto back like you said getting that confidence and having the the constant interaction and
feedback makes everything everything better it's just a much more enjoyable experience than
punching tickets and slugging it out for some corporate whatever i don't know man it's cool it's really
it's it's helped it's helped me rejuvenate after a couple you know years of just some toughness and
so now getting on the other side to the good stuff the meat you know the the sweet cake on
the other side it's just like oh god it just makes it all so worth it and it it really
it i mean i don't there's i don't think there's a single day of my life that i feel like i have
to build there's there's pressures of like client timelines and stuff but there were days that i
felt like oh i gotta do this for them like You know, I'm thinking the aerospace job.
Although, basically pinnacle of dev type job.
Really great career.
The whole opportunity was amazing.
It was still punching a ticket for some military dipshit
I don't care or know about on the other side of the globe.
It was just not, ugh.
And this, now, I don't have ever the moment in my
life where i feel like i have to do something so i feel exceptionally wealthy with the community
that i have probably the wealthiest person that i know i ever and it's uh guys like you you know
dude we started way back think about, think about when we started.
I mean, it's what, four years ago?
Feels like a decade.
Look how far we've come, man.
The space, the people around us, all of it has just come so far.
And I remember, Mickey, when we were first hanging and we were doing the TikTok thing, the space was really immature.
TikTok thing, the space was really immature.
In general, on the whole, it was really, really immature.
And that's fine.
Some people, you know, that's their thing.
But I'm just really happy to see the ones like yourself that I could tell back then
these were the good ones and we're still here together just
it just it it it solidifies confidence in my ability to pick the right people which just
validates more of where I put myself in around all these people and the fact that you get along
with all the same people like there's validation and all that, which just grows the confidence, which, you know, amplifies the work, which does.
There's just so many positives of this of this community from my own experience.
But I mean, you can also see you can I don't speak.
I don't mean to speak for anybody, but you can see it is very evident in your community, my communities, friends, communities in all of it.
your community my communities
friends communities in all of it
it's very evident
how well
these like minded
communities are crossing over
yeah
Andy's
doing some cool stuff eh I saw him
on the timeline recently Andy
good to see you buddy Andy listen
CLI tortoises
is still sitting on the shelf brad and i were
discussing possibly a launch of it in the 222 space if i've got enough time to finish i screwed
up something on the head i had to take out um some of the neck accessories because the effect if you remember um with the head coming out and stuff it wouldn't
work and then i figured out a way if you think of it like snapping frames i would just at the
at the first most opportune frame where that accessory made sense without having to distort it
i was able to do it and so that's's kind of, uh-oh, hold on.
I got a kid with a squishy face on him like something's wrong.
Hold on.
Yeah, go ahead, you Tobias.
I see your hands up.
Oh, you know what?
I was just, I was going to clarify, like, I remember this space, I know it's kind of moved on to a different topic, but I remember the space a couple of years ago that was held. I just wondered why 2.22? Like, is there a significance in that or is it chosen particularly for a reason? The last one, yeah, the last one was 207,
the last record in a sense,
and I think they just were looking for the most synchronous number
that was higher than it,
and I guess 222 was the most logical.
Okay, all right.
I was curious.
Sorry, go on with the conversation that you were talking,
I guess, oh, I guess track him. I'm sorry if I had a phone call there and I dropped. I hope I didn't interrupt or disrupt anything.
No, all good. You're welcome. If anyone wants to jump into the chat, Drack is just taking care of something, it sounds like.
I'm back.
Yeah, please.
Hey, buddy. I'm back. Thank you for that.
Young fella, it wasn't a face of something's wrong. It was a face of can I have money.
They can be easily confused at times.
Oh, Lord.
Utopes was asking about 2.22.
I think, Edward, you covered it. eight last one was 206 hours or something we want to do a little longer 222 is good numerology
i thought it was that awesome actually it was 222 because like that's um that number is like
a significant number to me um and that has been throughout my life i won't bore my life story but there's like
many instances where the number two in the recurring number of two has kind of been significant
so i thought when i saw that i thought no way that's awesome i love it because part of the
reason why it was why i was happy it came about and I was like yeah we're definitely so think back OMOC days
with DRAC we did a lot of ones one one one one because our license that we'd purchased was
license id one one one one and then a whole bunch of little coincidental things happened with ones
and we were like oh one's our number right so we ran with it the old crypto numerology thing and so on the 22nd at 222
is kind of in my head how i'm going to do the timing is when i'm planning to do the next kind
of we'll call it say next release or next major update to drac as far as a public beta release goes. And so it's kind of V2.
It's kind of, for me, the two was changing,
the changing of the times from the ones to the twos.
And it was kind of a growth thing.
And so Drak on 222, I will actually be 44 on the 22nd.
So there's this whole string of things that are like, so yeah.
The fact that it's your number now too, dude, just makes me even happier.
That's just so great.
I love when things pan out like that.
So there's a bunch of little reasons why, but primarily we wanted to get it,
we wanted to do it before October because we were worried about if we waited too long into October and then Dunktober kicks off,
or maybe not price-wise, but news-wise, then we would be completely overshadowed probably for the next six months.
So we're rushing it if you want to be ahead of that.
Yeah, of course. But that's so funny that funny that you got turned 44 on the 22nd because like my birthday
um is on the 1st of october but so my date of birth is 01101991 which kind of calculates to
22 as well but funny thing is i remember mentioning it to bacon the co-host and
courting them with community and it's his's 20, all the twos as well.
I kind of made a joke when I was a kid.
I made a joke about it when I used to play football,
and someone was like,
well, why don't we change your shirt then to number two?
So I was like, all right, anyway, long story short,
I changed my shirt to number two,
and I was a defender, Burden in Bind,
and I was the top goal scorer for that season.
Nice.
Nice.
Yeah.
Sweet.
I love that.
You know, I never used to really look into numerology.
It was never part of my day unless, you know, in my code I was sneaking in a 420 or something like that.
Some code phase would be like, nah, I'll just round that up to 420.
But I never really...
But crypto has got me down.
And it...
I don't think it's a coincidence again.
Like I was saying earlier,
numerology is a little...
It's more of a real thing than hooky-dukes to me now.
It's less superstitious than it was.
Yeah.
Because I suppose everything has to fall into numerology
in some form or another.
Everything's math and everything's patterned. Yeah, exactly. yeah because i suppose everything has to fall into numerology in some form or another because
and everything's pattern exactly at some point resonance is going to kick in and things are
going to line up and it's just the way the seemingly the world works at a fundamental
level so it can't be that far of a stretch to think that the math sometimes works out yeah yeah yeah yeah man i mean it's there's too many
you know what what i i'm looking at drac on my screen now and and and one of the weird things
of the the coincidental not coincidence anymore things is i'm looking at the map and
remember when when when we first met you know the is of Seven Cities, I had a place located for it.
It was in the Mediterranean, yada, yada.
And I never thought about it until after I got home.
But when I went on vacation with my parents, we went on a cruise from Venice to Greece.
And we literally cruised through where the Isle of Seven Cities was.
I didn't even notice.
I mean, in fact,
I probably was heading over the rail at some point,
just leaning over the rail,
talking to my parents,
taking in the view,
going right through where the Isle of Seven Cities is
and not intending it.
And then I got home
and I was looking at pictures and map and recant.
And I was like, oh, my God, it's right there.
Right where I never thought in my life I would end up with my parents.
Not in a million years did I ever dream I'd be able to do that.
And so, again, these little things that have fallen in place.
And it's, if I sat here and talked about it with a bunch of people i didn't know that
it would sound hooky duke but when i sit here and i talk about it with you and we've come from the
same like from origins of years ago and then we're both here and all these it's the math bro it's the
math it's just working out it's it's it's like all those years of going, God damn, you know, if I didn't have bad luck, I'd have no luck at all kind of thing.
It just seems like, well, the math is finally working out.
It's good.
Yeah.
It is amazing.
And like you said, it feels like a coincidence.
So that's probably where people would put it.
And, you know, you could sit and debate about it all all year all year long but like when you live it and you experience it and it ties into
everything else that you then speak to people who it ties in with and if you were to sit and look
at their circumstances it would tie in as well and that's that's i think because because we're
on these journeys we're paying attention yeah and you see it and then when you talk to like me and
brad for example our story of how we met and when we met and our names and everything is it all ties in and it's
so weird weird and it wasn't even brad brought it to my attention i sat and i thought about it for
like probably a week maybe a week and a half and i'm like that is actually scary
i was like i'm gonna i'm gonna have to I thought about asking him for some identification. I'm like, I need to make sure this man's human.
Yeah.
Well, now all you need is not bot.
Have you heard of not bot?
I think I saw him on your post.
Did you post about it recently?
I'm going to segue that right on that point just for a moment and tell you about it.
So checking a not bot, dude.
So your comment there about make sure he was human.
This is what there's there's um there's a guy ken griggs he's total giga chat you should follow him if you're
not i mean next level giga chat has the pedigree and the resume to back it all up he created not
bot so that you can do basically verify your identity and then have complete control over
it and it's completely decentralized and and it's not it's stored in basically the secure enclaves
of your biometric securities and that's it and basically just nfc scan your your passport take a picture of it none of that info lands on a server anywhere
and now for any sites that you know eventually the ecosystem will grow will accept it you can
just show up and basically be like yes i'm human and over 18 that's all you get to know about me
and you can set up all these profiles and i mean dead dead simple, like using any other app for any other whatever purpose.
And it's verify at its core level.
It will just verify that you're human and that's it.
And then you can set up like share my first name on another profile or set up.
Dude, look into NotBot because I won't get into the big long window but it is absolutely the foundational
start of new of of being able to do verification the right way and only capable because of the new
tech we have and you never at any point in all of its use do you ever even see the word crypto or anything to do with crypto.
That's awesome.
So you're saying that we could basically verify one another without either of us ever having to know who we are, basically.
You can verify immediately that you're human, at least.
So think about this.
Inside your passport, there's an NFC chip.
In most passports, right?
It's an effort that whether we exist or not, governments will always push for passports within their citizens, right?
And technology and security is always at the highest level.
always at the highest level. So when a government issues a passport, it comes with almost absolute
certainty that that's the individual, unless they're, you know, counterfeit passports,
which is a whole nother, not even going to go down that road. But for the most part, assume
everybody who owns a passport does so at the expense of and the encouragement of their government,
right? So you have all these people in the world
with passports who could essentially say yes i am absolutely human inside your passport there's an
nfc chip that has all of the the data around your identity um which you don't want to give away and
when it when you go to say an airport and it and it and it scans and then it takes the picture
the the codes like the numbers at the
bottom of your passport below your picture and stuff, they essentially hold the encryption key
required to read the data that's on the NFC chip inside the passport. This is how passport security
kind of works, right? To one degree. So NotBot scans the nfc gets you to take a picture so that it can
access the data then it stores that data not in a server nowhere that anybody can get to but like
part of the secure enclave and and and as such just because you know that governments are you
know not in the business of issuing uh passports to non-humans,
then you immediately know anybody signing in with not-bought is at least a human.
And then they can determine how much of everything else they want to divulge.
So a big standard one would be, say, age 18 or up.
You could verify, is somebody of age or not?
Let's be honest corn is
is drives industry and the internets and it's a big liability and a big worry the problem
in a lot of online realms of the shady parts of things is that when you go to a site like
you know corn or whatever they're storing all their data that puts a bunch of
liability on them. And I'm using them as an example, not as like my favorite example,
but just because it's an obvious one. So 18 and over is a serious problem there, right?
And both from the creator and the consumer standpoint, and then the liability for the
company and the delivery, something like not bought.
So if you would think about liability, it removes the liability from the company.
It removes the expense. a business affecting liability system, you know, process or product or service or whatever
that has just as much of an impact in some other realm or industry.
And if that company could remove that by saying, no, this person's definitely 18,
their government says so.
You not only don't have to pay for and propagate the technology of the ID,
because the government does that for you.
You're just consuming what the governments are already doing
at their expense and then intelligently storing that data
so that nobody can get to it but you,
and then allowing you full control to share up.
That whole, you could take that to another level
on another industry that solves another problem
it is really dude you have to look at not bought not dot bot it is yeah definitely going to be
checking that out because that could be really useful as well for like not just saying like
who you are but what you are so like if the purpose of someone to just they just need to
know if you're of age or not so like like, let's just say a kid's game.
We're not on it.
Like not, I know that you gave a good example
with that website I've definitely never heard of.
Just kidding.
But so for them, they've got to confirm you're of age,
but then you could do the opposite for like,
for children's games,
you just need to know that they're a child.
But then also if you're an adult, you can't access it. So it could be a good way to kind of protect on the other side of things
the whole robots that are just farming kids data
financial stuff you know are you a bit um even you know i was talking to ken about it for drac
because i kind of have these two community worlds where i'd like to cater to
the tang gang a little more with some raw humor and some meme but i can't because drac is positioned
for family kids that sort of thing but i could have and i don't want to run the liabilities of
crossing those lines so i could use not bought to just guarantee users either 18 or older so they get different
levels of content or whatever right um there's so much power in that simple tech that it's only
going to take a few bright minds to see it and go ah here's a gap it doesn't it doesn't fill like
for example you were saying you could verify what you do, right? Which, in principle, yes, but no, because your passport doesn't carry that info, right? Like, passport doesn't know what you do for a profession.
a verified credential business was just coming and i believe it was on chia i think monkey zoo
might have posted something i reposted it um but there's going to be holes to fill for things like
that there's still going to have to be an entity that can verify yeah yeah thy revolution is not
only who he says he is through not bob but he also does what he says he does through so-and-so
um and i think those so-and-sos are probably going to be right
on the tail here so you're going to see some you're going to see some really cool innovations
and then you're going to see um you're going to see snowballing effects from that for sure
anyway check it out not bought it's dope yes i will definitely be checking out thank you i
appreciate that no worries oh we've got hangry animals on the stage let's go what's up andy
how's it going guys good man good man you want to hear another weird accent
awesome
great to be here man sometimes Sometimes I wish I could fly home
To my hometown
And just stay for a week and get my accent back
And then come back home
I was just listening in on the
Varied accents of England
Come to Wales
Come to the Valleys
You'll hear some very choice
Slang
You know my hometown the closest that i could
go to describing how our accents are is uh the movie snatch the the the what do they call the
the trailer people there um yeah romany gypsies that's what that's what they sound like where i come from not as fast slower
but same but same just slower yeah it's so cool yeah
so what you been up to man i think i saw some you were doing some new things you got new things on
the timeline yeah Yeah, man.
We're just kicking things back off, really.
We had a bit of a pause.
We migrated the contract for security reasons and all manner of things.
So I wanted to make sure all holders got the matching token IDs and stuff.
So I did a whole, you know, when you're in the weeds when you're doing
a migration or some just you know failed one contract on mainnet on polygon failed so i
started again and then loads of fun stuff but that's settled everybody's got their matching
IDs and uh just working away through that the biggest pain of blockchain is the immutable of it it's just so
unforgiving and yeah and some people i think i'm sure i can i can imagine your world a little bit
you're you've got a million things on the go you're and so it's not like it's your only thing
that you're focused on where it's just like i want to make sure you're you're likely juggling it
amongst and and and so we were talking earlier in the space about how i don't really care about
building and having errors i don't give a shit because if i did i'd never get anything done
um yeah sometimes you just got to push man the errors come blockchains it's not very forgiving
yeah yeah you know we had um one of the contracts i did a successful migration and then realized that
the the name of the contract you couldn't edit you
know we used a third web contract right and then it doesn't tell you that this is the bit that will
be baked onto the on chain so my initial mint said secret drop and then i did a whole perfect
mint everybody migrated every token was like spot on.
And then I went to preview the contract and then it said secret drop.
I was like, ah, shit.
So everybody migrate again.
Start it again.
And I think that's the perfectionist in me and many of us, you know,
where you want everything to be sweet and everything to look right.
But I'm like you.
I'm just happy to kind of have it,
have it go test it,
iterate and,
and,
you know,
move along.
Well,
if you relate,
I dated a girl for seven years.
She was a musician,
exceptionally talented,
should have been,
should have been much bigger of a star.
She sang with Buble,
she recorded with David Foster.
Like, she was sick.
But she was always really hung up on it being perfect,
so she never got anything out.
And now she teaches English to foreigners here in Canada.
But she was, but just, sometimes you just got to push, man.
Just push the code.
Grant, I don't know if you know grant
in the space he's one of the founders of um evergreen miners he's not around anymore but
he's just a giga chat in space and i really respect and and admire him as a builder he's
often in you know hackathons he's really into you know building businesses and products and uh when i first met
him i remember being kind of bashful and and and then him saying something like if you're pushing
code you're doing more than 90 of the space 90 of the devs out there and i remember thinking yeah
that's probably fucking true i'm just gonna keep pushing code so yeah yeah man. I kind of vibe with that. Absolutely.
You know, there's just so many ideas and, you know, similar to yourself.
There are many things bouncing around that head that just hanging on to one and committing to that one push, you know, move it forward and then move on to the next thing or the next little exciting thing on on that list and we probably need to chat off uh offline actually about uh the embedding of ideas into the nfts because um me and mickey been chatting about something with hangry and i think it'd be amazing to uh to do but um
i would like your opinion on that man offline sure man i'd love to um i'd love to get you back to
in drac as well and get your opinion on some things there.
I'd love to just...
Honestly, I could see us going for a few hours
because I also
want to know
a lot about your perspective and take
on AI and your workflow
and all that. Listen, Andy,
can I put you on the spot here a little bit?
Do you want to do
you want to be a guest on a space during the 222 hour space yeah i would love to would love to
yeah just let us know what day well let's start here because i got a i got a busy schedule with
people all over the place and sometimes it's easier just to what would be the
most optimal day and or time for you and how many there's so there's it's from the 19th of september
in the afternoon start until the 28th afternoon uh ending so um let me just let me check some of
those dates now i'm thinking uh that's right around my birthday.
So I'll probably avoid those dates.
21st now.
Oh, you're right before me.
Oh, yeah.
Can I ask how old you are?
You don't have to tell me if you're not.
I'm about three.
I'm about three older than you, man.
I don't look it.
I look 35, you know.
oh speaking of look i'm 35 listen i shit you not my mom and my brother or my mom and my son
Oh, speaking of looking 35, listen, I shit you not.
reicher were there for it i got freaking id'd for smokes the other day i got id i shaved my face
well i shouldn't say i shaved my face my kids shaved my face um at the end of the summer it
was kind of like i don't know it was just in the moment and it was
and they were all excited it was like yeah go ahead shave my so they got the razors out so i
went down to skin which i have not done in a long time and sure as shit i got id'd man i look at the
guy i was like 244 this year and he's like oh okay well isn't isn't like uh there's there like a there's a poetic
moment there where you're like
yeah I still got it
but I'm thinking
oh shit
even if it was the old age
the older
middle eastern guy
at the knees behind the counter
sure but I'll take it you're right
you walk out and you're like I'm going to strut a little different today
100 that's mad i got a little glide in my step after that yeah um anyway yeah so i'd love to
have you on the space just figure out what is optimal give me a couple options and then i'll
i'll get you fitted in there dude i i want to know about the effects of AI on your workflow
because, I mean, I talk about the effects on mine all the time
on this space, but I'm sure it's been significant.
Has it not?
100%, man.
You know, I think the generative side of it for me
is a little bit of a sort of sore subject, but you can see it evolving in a different place with the whole legal clampdowns happening with the big one.
But from a tech perspective, yeah, it's really allowing people like myself who, you know, jump between creative and development.
It's allowing me to throw down ideas much quicker or at least test ideas and thought.
And explore.
You must be more willing to try things now, eh?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I find myself looking at code bases where before I'd be like, I really don't want to learn any syntax right now.
I got too much on the go.
Now it's like, okay, I don't care about the syntax.
Let's jam it in, pop it up, see if it's a value.
If it's something I can see using,
then I'll go back and spend the time.
I can evaluate at speeds now that are just crazy
in comparison to before.
Absolutely.
And I think that's been a a true benefit i think for creative minds that
whether you're a visual person or you've you know you're an ideas person um i think it's opening
doors to a lot more people to explore what's been in their head and being able to articulate that
with with the assistance to um to prove prove a concept
yeah yeah definitely and i'm and i'm at when ai when i first started getting into ai it was
certain things were obvious and apparent and then you kind of get into it more you learn a bit
now i i more appreciate recently how much my previous skills are being employed in the way of not allowing AI to go off the rails too much. instead of asking it to do things for me, almost like constantly educating it
on how I would like things done
and then getting in small steps for it to go through.
It's a lot more writing and explanation for me,
but the fact that I can take 20 minutes to write out
and do a good conversation with,
and then when I'm finally confident
it really understands what I want,
it's mapped it out and I've done some pre-code and kind of put things in place then it's like execute okay i don't have to
think about you for 20 minutes i can do the same thing over here for this project and i can
and so and catching things errors and technical debt in a way that i think you know the whole
one click craze is is omitting from the narrative in a lot of ways you guys like us have the ability
to pick up on the little tiny things before they become big things right so i really yeah when i
once i figured out how to speak with it correctly and what to how to manage my expectations of it
it's just it's even in just the past month the way i use it has made all the
difference yeah man i'm a very similar uh pipeline to where my mind goes you know where if you give
it a decent enough prompt with the framework and the outline of what you want to achieve
um and with snippets code snippets and stuff um then it's
going to write you a really nice kind of loop or a function or or an entire app um yeah i'm
i'm enjoying using it because as an artist with technical skills i'm i'm able to articulate things
that i could never do before even you know even developing in c sharp or
js and um bringing those worlds together is just so exciting so exciting there's this massive
opportunity there have you seen or know of anything in the way of ai assistive effects
for after effects is there any what i really am wondering is can i go now
into my after effects which i only open every now and then for special projects
but can i go in now and prompt that shit and get what i want i don't know i haven't i haven't
i haven't opened after effect in probably about a year and a half, maybe. I did an animatic with her actually about six months ago
for an animated trailer for Angry,
but that was just like moving layers about along paths.
I don't know if Adobe's gone to that length,
even though they've embedded it in every other piece
of their freaking software right now.
I don't know if they've managed to get around to App Effect yet.
But it would be sweet, right?
Can you imagine if you could have it aware of your plugins
and then, you know, the scripting that you can tie to your keyframing?
Can you imagine if AI is...
Because that's always...
When I get into the scripting, it's like,
okay, I've got to sit down and think,
and the house needs to be quiet,
and I've really got to...
It's not my everyday. Like you said, like you you a year and a half like i'd only open it but if i
could harness i mean geez i've never even tried with tpt you know what i wonder if
maybe you could i wonder how much it knows about after effects scripting because that's really
where i think a lot of people don't realize the power of After Effects is.
When you get into scripting, it gets wild what you can do.
It just gets nuts.
The only one I can remember, the only script I can remember, and it's my inroad, is position.wiggle.
That's it.
That's the only thing.
Yeah, wiggle it.
Well, it's just basically you can tie parameters to other parameters so you can almost make so what i used it for was like dynamic pipelines so when when we
were doing trade shows a lot we would have you know think of an opening intro we would film some
glass award in a very difficult not not you know the whole light box set up and the crystal
but i'm picturing a project is a very particular one anyway you make those intro slides you know
you've got the the award rotating and you've got the name the title and the lower thirds and
and we used it for that that's a lot of our scripting was was just for that sort of ship but
i've also buddy mine makes movie trailers kind of for a
living like um on cruise ships does the whole you know whatever he just lives on a cruise ship and
makes videos of all the old people having fun he cuts them all up he went to film school and
everything he taught me a bunch about after effects but he's he's a script junkie and the
things he does because the visual parameters of the hue or the the blur effect
or the whatever plugin you're using can all be tied to some other thing it's uh it's slick
that i remember that the scripting changing my perspective of after effects a lot it was like oh
yeah one of my uh one of my good mates uh who i was in college with um he did he used like majorly just invested about
two years into the the action script or the script inside of after effects and he managed to code
um the super furry animals like three or four music videos for the super furry animals using
after effects is like advanced scripting techniques
and he's got these like translucent ik inverse kinematics connected bugs that are just like
floating on the screen um oh it's insane i can find the feel and look to them yeah yeah just
floating and i think he you know he's connected with the main guru who really
innovated on the IK side of stuff
within connected bone
stuff and he showed
him a thing or two so it's super super
powerful man if you can get your head around that
then but
I'm going to go try GPT
a little bit later today and see
what it knows about After Effects
it's still funny eh like it's ai is still so new there's can be there's i mean there's a ton of hobbies that i
have that i haven't even at all put ai in you know like my rc stuff i've yet to put ai in one
of my rcs that's gonna happen that is 1000 percent happening i definitely want to try to build an AI autonomous drone
but just in you know just there's so many little things it's still so infant and the power we have
is just absolutely it's just insane yeah that's cool man it's cool to hear about how it's affecting
your world there because we have similarities in in our work, but you definitely have a different caliber in your specialty there.
No, it's all good.
All good.
Very complimentary.
I appreciate it.
I don't know if for the 222, if you want to do a couple spaces or whatever, but just feel free.
You've probably got a lot of things on the go, so you don't have to jam it all in one space.
If you want to spread some things out, feel free.
Yeah, because on the 23rd and 25th,
looking at those two days,
whether it's GMT-friendly timeframes,
I'm available along those days to do something.
What time is it there now?
We're about 20 to 5 p. What time is it there now? We're about
20 to 5 p.m.
Okay, you're four hours
in the diff.
You're four hours ahead.
You're five hours ahead of this schedule.
you're five hours ahead.
So this would be like
your basically, you said the 23rd, 24th, is that what you said?
23rd or 25th.
23rd, 25th. So on both of those days, uh, 4 p.m. your time to, uh, 7 p.m. your time
No wait
This would be
5 hours ahead so 9
Yeah
You could go from 4 to 9
On either of those
On the 23rd
Or you could go from 4
To any time in between till
on the 25th.
So 4 to 9 or 4 to 7.
23rd, 25th.
23rd would be sweet.
Okay.
An hour, two hours?
What do you figure you need?
Two hours is good.
I'm not about space filling, but I'm sure we can riff about so much stuff.
Oh, yeah, bro.
Two hours is cool with me, and we'll absolutely fill that.
Okay, I've got you in for two hours starting at 2pm this time
So 7 to 9
Yeah man
Perfect
I've got you in on the 23rd
Awesome
Let me see who the host is for that
So 23rd 7 to 9
No one
No host
So it might be me
We'll have a host for you um i'll definitely
at least co-host if not host actually you know what i'm just gonna put me in
uh we'll grab into it dude we'll get so into it uh two two yeah i can uh what what day does that
fall on is that a sund Sunday or a Monday? Tuesday.
Tuesday.
Tuesday.
Yeah, I can assist with any hosting or co-hosting if need be.
Okay, I'll put Drac and Mickey.
Let's go.
I've just shared the space to a guy I know as well.
He seems to be super clued up when it comes to effects.
So if he joins, hopefully he'll have an answer to your question.
Because of all the people I've spoke to,
if anyone's going to have any answers to the questions you had about
After Effects, this man will know.
So hopefully he jumps in and if he does, I'll get him on stage.
Nice.
I like it.
All right.
Okay.
Sounds good.
It sounds like it's...
It's a date.
It's a date. It's a date it's a date it's a date i'll bring
flowers oh man i'm excited to jam with you and we'll leave it we won't we won't get into too
much more of it now because we'll leave the content for them but uh super excited and and
this makes me well i gotta slice the time because i got a lot but i think you were in the room when
i was talking about uh cli tortoises which was in the room that don't know um andy actually did
the artwork for the cli tortoises which was one of brad's ideas after space hanging out with foods
and just kind of some funny talk so uh cli tortoises aka cli tortoises uh is a fun nft project that we've had in the way andy
you completed the artwork i think i think we were going to do some edits but it's just kind
of installed we've both been so busy um i think maybe uh if we're going to tease if we're going
to do this space if i've got time maybe i'll see if i can cue that up for mint and we'll just we'll
do that as well during that space. Let's go.
Yeah.
Let me say,
I can't,
I can't promise it,
but it was,
I had it pretty much done.
There was just a bug introduced in when I was dealing with the neck
accessories and how I was handling the,
the interactions with that.
But I didn't have AI then to double check my work.
So I could probably find the issue pretty quick now.
You know what I mean?
When you're trying to like figure out,
oh, this three-dimensional array inside this loop, right?
And you're trying to picture it in your head
and you're like, what the hell?
And now it's just like, nevermind.
I'm not even wasting the 20 minutes
trying to unscramble this.
Just AI give me the answer.
I love it.
I love it.
So, okay, cool.
Well, that's exciting.
Thank you for that, Andy. Yeah, pleasure, dude. Look forward to it. I love it. Okay, cool. Well, that's exciting. Thank you for that, Andy.
Yeah, pleasure, dude.
Look forward to it.
I'll bow out now.
I'm going to do some chores.
Yeah, I probably got to do the same here shortly in a little bit.
I've got a lot of work to do for some clients.
Brad and I have our show to do later.
Everybody still will do the – this isn't the TLDR,
so we'll do something when Brad's awake,
kind of not bugging him lately.
I try not even to ring him in the morning.
Cause he's,
you know,
new baby and he's low sleep right now.
He's I've actually never talked to Brad this much where he's been this low.
And Oh,
he just,
good morning,
buddy.
Slept in.
I literally just talking about...
Mickey, there are no coincidences.
See?
There are absolutely not.
I was just smiling, thinking about that as you were reading out what you said.
Yeah, he just texted.
He's sleeping in.
Or he slept in.
You know what this is about, buddy.
You got lots of...
And by the way, the time for me right now is 4.44.
Nice.
It's 12.44 here.
But yeah, sweet. Dude, It's 12 44 here, but yeah,
sweet.
It's a,
that's so funny.
He just texted in anyway,
the point,
we still got to do our TLDR today.
We haven't picked a show topic.
If anybody wants us to cover anything as always,
just send us a ping and we'll happy to do a Mark and Ava on a project,
on a tech,
on AI,
uh, LLMm model whatever the case may
be um yeah so i'll close down here what are we yeah i'll close down on the hour we have 15 minutes
um i'm gonna tell you about mickey you gotta so i gave uh a demo to um uh clive just yesterday
of drak dude oh hold on i'll go into drak rant in a sec utopes what's up
hey um i got a chance to check out the schedule and i'm just trying to figure it out.
You had said the two to four.
Is it two?
No, hold on.
One to two.
Are you looking at the guest schedule or the host schedule?
I don't know what I'm looking at.
Are you in the spreadsheet or are you looking at the images I posted?
I'm looking at the images you posted.
I'm looking at it on my phone.
Can you click the link that was below those images?
And that'll take you right in and you'll see the most up-to-date version.
Okay, cool.
Let me do that and I'll get back to you.
We can do it right now while you're on. We can walk through it just make sure that you're in the right so in the google sheet there's two tabs
there's one of the tabs at the bottom you know it's usually just whatever the
default one but there's host schedule and guest schedule
you obviously want the host schedule okay
okay okay perfect i'm in the right spot. Um, I, yeah, my only concern. Oh, sorry. Yeah,
you're right. Okay, the two to four. Um, I think, I don't know if I can do that
there's the um later in the week the 25th 26 27th yeah oh it looks like the 28th too um i am better
sorry because i'm looking at it on my phone that's okay
i can see where you are you i can see what one you've got selected there
i think it's like is that one to two or one to
okay the one that you have highlighted okay where you're on the 25th yeah on the on the where
you're highlighted there that's 12 to 1. 12 to 1 okay I could probably do 25 26 27 I can probably
do the 25th 26 27th between 12 till two. Oh, somebody else is on the green.
Is that you? That's me. That's me. I see colors here. So, um, yeah, yeah.
Perfect. Perfect. Thank you. Uh, it is, but I'm going to have to,
I'll go post some messages and stuff and see if there's folks that I can host
with because yeah.
There definitely is.
There is some of the ladies and some of the other spaces.
Okay, cool. Thank you.
You're welcome. No, thank you. Appreciate it. I've got you slotted in. Sweet.
So if you look at, so those, those are your times.
If you then flip to the guest schedule and you look at those same times,
when you figure out what you want to do,
you just go and slot it in for the same times on the, on the other schedule,
which is kind of, there's, there's hosting and the subject.
Gotcha, gotcha, okay.
So the guests will match up with the host spaces,
that makes sense.
There you go.
So it was 25th, 26th, 27th here.
I've got, I just put your name in there on all of them
so that you can see where you're gonna change it
for the subject.
Awesome. Thank you.
Perfect. Oh man, this is shaping up, shaping up. I like it. There's very few hosting spaces left.
We need afternoon coverage from 2pm to 4pm
Eastern
on Saturday, Sunday, Monday
20, 21, 22.
And then
from noon
till 3pm
on Sunday the 28th.
Which is just ahead of closing ceremonies.
That's going to be sweet.
Stepper Steve's in the room.
What's up, buddy?
I'm fully expecting that you are at some point going to jump in, come up on stage and talk about the things that you were doing sir
throughout this oh step you're even in on hosting i've got you nice eight to nine i think actually
we talked about this and i'm just remembering eight to nine on friday and saturday and sunday
sweet you're the man buddy you're the man how's it You're the man. What's up, homies? How's it going?
Hey, Greg, I just want to get in a quick question about Crate.
Yeah.
Because I'm right now in the next phase of creating my NFT collection where all the art is done, and now I'm just having to export.
Yeah, sure, sure.
Give me some time as well.
This gives me some time, so it's good for everybody, I guess.
But anyways, if I create the metadata does that
already has to be randomized or can i just give it to you like from one to five thousand and like
you know everything locked together i could probably put a random thing in there so that
you could do it either way you could either provide it that way and not check the random
or you know we could we could i'll put the random button so that we have the option
a random button would be awesome yeah so let me actually it's a good question because as i'm
moving and getting the new crate all set up and whatever this has been something that's been on
my mind is metadata right because people do it differently so when i first did crate was it
basically wasn't crate then it was just let me help bullish and then it kind of
morphed right so it adopted um bullish's form of metadata right and that's kind of just how we did
it and then uh monkey with the mini mermits had a different format right and so i had just created
a whole new import script for him and then kind of tied it to the UI.
Which is fine because at some point we're probably going to max out on all the different variant ways that most people do.
You know, it's probably half a dozen ways, say.
But for my sanity, I'm thinking it might be easiest to provide, say, templates, right?
Because then I can build the system a certain way
and you guys can conform your metadata to it.
So I'm not doing it to you guys.
What way are you doing yours or what typically do you think would suit most people
to do CSV import from, say, a spreadsheet or to do JSON based,
you know, some generator.
I think the CSV because this is what we are used from
the web is how I've done it in the past.
Okay.
And this is how like bullish has taught us in the Tang game how to do it.
Yeah, see, I don't do that.
I always just kind of write my scripts as I go.
So that's why I'm asking.
I'm not sure what the general public uses.
But that's the better way.
That's the way I'd prefer spreadsheet-based.
Okay, cool.
Easy enough.
Then I'll provide a spreadsheet.
Thanks for the answer.
Now I'm all set.
I'd like to complete my test.
Do you want to know about my post about Crate yesterday with Chip26?
Yeah, I didn't understand it, obviously, but I would love to hear.
My head is melted after a conversation with Clyde.
Okay, I'm absolutely floored.
As a dev, I'm in shock that Chip26 has been around for a year and not implemented.
has been around for a year and not implemented.
It makes absolutely zero sense to me how it's not a priority chip
to have shoved out if you want people building for your chain.
I hate polling. I hate polling.
If you were to ask me the one thing I hate about being a dev,
it's polling for data. I absolutely despise it.
It represents everything that is 1990s to me.
I don't want to do it
polling and latency are like my two biggest pet peeves that i'm it's the whole reason tang talk
even came about was was latency for example um so oh shit what was my point sorry what were we
talking about uh oh chip 26 um so chip 26 after talking to Clyde, it's events.
So you know in Ethereum land, you do a Solidity contract, you can do events.
So instead of polling for something, you can be notified.
It's the same principles as PubSub systems in the Web2 world.
What are some of the – I can't think of some of the really popular brand name ones now.
But PubSub is just a way of using WebSockets
so that you get real-time updates.
You get to subscribe to only what you want to know about,
and then you get notified about them so that your client,
the browser app, doesn't have to constantly be like,
is there more, is there more, is there more?
So in the case of Ethereum, at least you can go,
every time this happens in the contract fire an event and i'll
just listen for that so i can sit back build something and just let it do its thing in chile
land you're constantly polling it's so it's it's part of the reason that crate had the issues that
is is race conditions polling paging um you know going back back and having to monitor for changes in data or things that you miss.
It's just a pain in the ass.
I wouldn't say nightmare.
I wouldn't say it's insurmountable.
I wouldn't say it's even a reason to not build something.
But it is not efficient.
And chip 26 is, if I go blank for a minute, if that phone call comes back that might be rye actually
calling you're good um so just heads up um chip 26 brings event-based pub sub style notifications
and as far as i understand from clyde and i haven't really talked to virginity much about it
other than was like can we please i will pay you to do this. He's like, yeah, I'm on a trip. When I get back, we'll talk.
When I talked to Clyde about this,
my head exploded because you subscribe,
as far as I understand, to a puzzle.
And so, or a puzzle hash or whatever.
So it's not just, like,
you can subscribe and monitor a wallet, but you can go all the way to the level,
how do I do?
What?
So you can subscribe to a puzzle and be notified when something enters the mempool, as an example.
So rather than having to constantly use space scan deal with
rate limiting and all this stuff uh which causes it can cause snowballing effects yeah yeah uh
you can just have crate just sitting and subscribe to an individual fucking token
so the nft that you mint that is a coin that has a puzzle, can be subscribed to individually and notified immediately to the server when it enters the mempool.
That is next level degrees of granular insight into what's happening in your, let's call it your dap flow or your business process or your minting, whatever.
The fact that chip 26 is not out blows my mind
absolutely blows my mind i don't care what it takes i told virginity i said if i gotta sell
one of my kids i'm doing it not really obviously but like this has to be built it has it's
fundamentally as a developer seeing that chip 26 sit there for and it's been there for a year i i i don't understand it
either there's something i don't know that is a blocking factor to it um and and would be a reason
why it's not out or i don't know i just i do things differently than everybody else and this
makes no sense to anybody else but me i don't't know. It blows my mind. So anyway, with Crate Mojuice, what that means is, you can imagine,
I don't have to be polling.
So right now, if 10 people sign up to Crate and create 10 projects each,
well, now I have 100 potential wallets that I have to constantly be scanning for with Crate.
And you've got to make sure latency is not there.
And you've got to make sure latency is not there and you got to make sure the race condition it's it's just crazy but to just be and and i asked clyde who's like so
what are the limits like can i only subscribe to that he made mention of hundreds of thousands
to what degree i got to talk to rigidity more i think for the for the specific details and maybe
clyde might be off a little bit on some of these details so I got to
get that clarity when rigidity's back but everything that I looked at for my limited understanding of
of that code world I it changes everything dude it changes everything we got talking about
this scenario which is kind of weird because it kind of does what anyway let me explain
so revocable coins in the mix right and i know revocable coins is like a touchy subject to some
people sure for your stuff okay great for my shit it's a dream because i want people to lose their
drax if they die i don't want to have to worry about
state channels i don't either you're coming to play and gamble with your drak and play a game
and risk losing it or you're not and if you're not that's fine so this is where the conversation
went with mo juice and and then picture this in in the broader sense of all kind of other things
if you can take a coin that is not revocable,
and if Clyde tells me you can do this,
so an NFT, it's not revocable,
you can wrap it and make it revocable.
In other words, opt in for my coin or my token
or my NFT to be revocable.
So on your choice.
So if the Chia dev world existed in a way that I could say to my users, you can take your DRAC, you can opt in to make it revocable, and now I can subscribe specifically to all events that happen on that puzzle, that token,
and have that relayed back to my server,
and you could run the chance of losing your drag because it's a game,
that to me is the most...
I mean, you could do so many things.
It's crazy to think that...
And I'm talking outside of financial model if you're
in for speculation you're in for coins and you're in for profits none of this makes sense you're
sitting there screaming at your phone right now going you're an idiot drag that doesn't make
sense it's not decentralized maxi all the way i get it in that world but in the world of actual logic and systems that are legal that have real world asset
or association or process or whatever to it it's a must if you're going to build a business process
it can't be all immutable it's never going going to happen. Maybe in some veins, but being able to do revocable, non-revocable,
choosing, use case, and then have events based on all of that,
I mean, Mojuice, I'm still, I hope you hear my voice,
gobsmacked at how Chip26 is not already out.
Well, I hear two different things here.
For your use case, I think it weeds out losers from the winners.
And then all of a sudden you have strong winners, expensive winners.
You know, you can speculate on that as well.
So I think that opens up the door for like a wide variety of possibilities there for you.
But me as a user, what I would like to see is like i collect my collections that i own
i collect my nfts in that collection that i own and then i want to be notified if somebody makes
an offer on them dude so oh i can't wait to show you drag um you're one of the people of all people
that i really want to show recent updates to the past couple weeks has just been stupid um there's
a counteroffer
system in drag which has been otherwise centralized for the most part and kind of
and brad and i literally talked about that statement yesterday you can i love it you get it
you get it dude that the primitive of certain things that extends yes Yes. Notification of somebody making an offer is so close, dude.
And without having to know anything about them.
And then theoretically, once not bought, I can get it integrated.
Then you can make sure that it's also a real person.
It's so cool.
All the tools are coming together here lately, man.
But Tip26 is just event-based, man. That all the tools are coming together here lately, lately, man. But tip 26 is just events based,
man.
That's the core of it.
Events.
The revocable thing was an extra layer on top of imagination for certain
purposes,
but events based per coin per token per puzzle.
Shit.
That's wild delusion oh de jenna's in the room hey de jenna uh we were talking about women in tech crypto yada
yada um with utopes uh for the 222 space if you would like to partake in such a thing i was thinking
about you when i was talking about it with her um anyway options there um moju just fill me in bro
what's going on with the gopher economy well the golf economy has slowed down
a little bit the last couple of days uh not many amazing deals but just average deals so i'm going
in every single day and i'm just scanning for what i think is good and if i get like a 10 or
20 percent better deal then i'm taking it immediately if i you know have coins left over
i'm just leaving them sometimes sometimes i'm selling them them for XEH and then use my XEH to get to go for 0.
Everybody has their own strategies on how to attack their gopher economy.
But I think it's an amazing game.
And if I just put in GoFingMeBot and the search tab on X,
I can see people signing up from all places.
Solana, Ethereum.
And that is quite exciting.
Yeah, it's cool to see.
I love the mechanics of the social element of it,
man. It's so good.
And also, like, on Shia, everything is, like,
with a D.I.D., right? Like, so I'm just
doing my stuff and putting it into my D.I.D.,
which is called MoJuice. And
the Gopher, anyways, is also tied
to the X account, right?
We have the badge score. And I can see
just the last two days,
I think 15 more people have been added to the Gopher Guild, which is just a chat room here on X.
And it's just all of my friends, you know, everybody who's in there now has an orange.
We started from 10 people to now something like 40 people.
And all of these people are like basically competitive Gopher hunters. competitive gopher hunters to get our gopher token we use it to get more gopher pfps and
nerds participate in economy which makes it possible to actually have economy where you can
make some efforts and be rewarded with the gopher token or if you're able to flip your pfps with xch
so it works and therefore i call the gopher economy the pump fun of Chia. Yeah, I know. I know you've been hard on it, dude. I love it.
It's nice to see you pushing along. It's a really great project.
Really, really great. Yeah.
And just yesterday, Bram overtook Gene
from Most Copies Sold. I saw that. I saw that. Yeah, that's awesome.
I'm still working on
scrapping myself a collection up.
Getting my daily posts and replies in.
I like how Josh has got all that stuff
and it's done so smartly too.
Like reply with your
your Go4Me subdomain
and it just makes it so much more visual
on the timeline
versus, you know,
just a wallet address
or something like that.
It's really well done.
And this number that is replying, liking, and retweeting is also growing constantly.
It grew from 50 people to 100, and now it's 150 people on a daily basis, probably a little
bit more by now. So I think there's a lot of power being able to, you know,
give a message out and having people see this message every single day.
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Definitely, definitely helps.
What else is on your radar, dude?
Not much. I was very heavily involved in the growth economy
the last couple of days since the
event you know it's consumed a lot of my time and now i'm switching back to my nfp collection
and i'm entering the next stage of creating everything so the art is completely done now
and after the art was done i even took a little bit of time to just reflect and you know i think
i was just pushing it actually forward because now the
next step is going to be very cumbersome most nft creators they just take their trades throw it
into an nft generator and now they generate 10 000 nft collection with one click i do not want
to do that because i want the head trade and the mouth trade in the background every single trade
to match with each other in the color scheme at least a little bit you know so therefore i will be manually clicking on every single layer for
every single nft to export it from photoshop and then i will call it number one number two number
three and then also i guess um semi-manually create this rarity list their metadata basically
and these are this is a 5000 piece collection so i calculated
it will take me around six days of eight hour days just constantly can i ask what you're gonna
is it the layers are done but you're just gonna manually label them or it's because you want to
eye like eyes on the product inspect everyone yeah so this is the reason I'm telling the public.
I want to have the eyes on the product.
Every single PFP should have a good color scheme,
and everything should fit with each other.
You know, sometimes you have rules.
This trade cannot go together with this trade
because it's overlapping, for example.
This is one of the main reasons.
Because I created trades that are overlapping
with other trades in the layer.
So the hair, for example, I have to have it under the base character. I have to have it
over the base character. Sometimes I have to have it over the clothing. So therefore it would make
it very hard to just randomly generate everything. And because now I have like three reasons why I
should do it manually, I just decide, okay, let me just buy it into this sour apple and
I think...
I almost want to do it.
I think if you ventured into
Cursor and you
looked at
a plugin called Sharp
and you
used Canvas and Sharp,
I think you'd be surprised
at how much time you'd be able to save
yourself in analyzing and labeling and whatever maybe not the the eyes on it to make sure but
in your labeling and your saving and your exporting um you can automate out of photoshop
really easily like say after you go through and you inspect everything, right? Without having to do the manual process of the clicks and the saves and whatever.
I'm literally thinking about saving you micro moments of time that'll add up at the end.
So if you go through and you hand inspect everything and label accordingly,
just in Photoshop so you're not bouncing around,
you could just run an automated script on your Photoshop to export all those layers in folders,
according to the folders you have them organized,
and then you could very quickly with cursor create scripts
that could handle all of that logistic kind of stuff for you.
You could save yourself probably like a couple hours at a time.
Well, I think it runs into the same problem.
So with a process like that,
now you would be able to create 60,000 or 100,000 variations
with one click in very short periods of time.
And now you have to go back and decide
which 5,000 of these do I want.
So therefore, I will just do it the other way around
and create exactly what I want with every single piece.
Fair enough.
Well, that's sweet, dude.
So when are you thinking about doing it?
I started the process yesterday because I was unsure of
if I have to randomize it or if you are able to do it
with a click of a button.
That's why I will just start now.
I'll just put the feature in. If you start now. I'll just put the feature in.
If you need it, I'll just put the feature in for you.
Yeah, so that will already make it, you know,
it will take two traits away that I have to manually, like, you know,
put into the reality list because now I can just put all the base characters in.
It must be 5,000.
All the face traits, it must be 5,000. All the face traits, it must be 5,000.
And then everything from there on will be basically manually handled by my side.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
Yeah, we make it work, random one way or the other,
whatever you want to do.
Probably just the easiest to do it in sequence
and then we'll randomize it on my end
because then you have both.
It's organized for you for later reference if you ever need to,
plus issues out in a random way.
So you kind of get better organization at the end of it
if you have to go back and look at anything.
I guess if it's in spreadsheet form, you could do it anyway.
One or the other.
A-Bit, can I grab you for like an hour
sometime over the weekend
and go through
where I'm at with Drak and the mechanics
and all of the things
and get your raw
feedback?
Yeah, of course. I would be happy.
I would love that.
It's getting intense. Clyde and I nerded out on it happy. I would love that. It's getting intense.
Clyde and I nerded out on it yesterday.
I would love your feedback from the community engagement
and the tokenomics type stuff, the gamified end of things.
There's a ton of shit.
And so I think your head will grasp it in a way that you can help me
summarize it so that I can best explain it so that people get it.
You know what I mean?
I don't want it to go too complex, even though it is.
But I'd rather them discover the complexity after they get into it.
So I need help wrapping it up into your kind of way of delivering that sort of content.
Oh, thanks.
I will try my best for sure.
But I guess everybody knows,
the easier, the better, right?
And it's just sometimes things can be complex,
but you should then also be able to just convey the message
how everything works in an easy way
and then everybody is just okay with it.
Yeah, exactly.
Because at least now they understand.
I think it can be done.
It's complex just because I'm not a tokenomics guy
from the what does this look like
five years from now
with this kind of
that's not my thing
so there are things
that are in play that are
already set to go
I just
I'll run it by you
the mechanics to use it are dead simple it's not like
go stake this here and stake that and get the it's literally show up scavenger hunt find something
click and take like if there's some dead simple shit all the way up to the breeding royalty
splitting with lucky eight stuff and all these anyway i think if i throw the kitchen sink
at you you're gonna go jack track track you need to you need to tell it this way and that's what
i'm looking for okay yeah let's see let's start but also like you know once you start a golf
economy i'm just making an example here with josh he started the golf economy and he wanted it to
be this with this inflation and how to get all that rules. But as time progressed, he learned and just adjusted along the way.
And I think that's actually a really important lesson to learn.
You cannot start an economy with certain parameters.
And then for 10 years, these parameters will always run.
And this will be a good outcome.
You know, you need to learn and adapt to the market and be able to change things up with immediate. I love that you say that because the concept of having to do the other way
is intimidating for a dev.
At least for me as a dev.
It's like, oh my god, am I going to do the math right here?
Or do I need to take another month and review this shit just in case?
Am I going to wreck my project because
i you know make a small mistake it's just it's intimidating um and i don't like it so this is why
you hear me oftentimes like i'll use any tool in front of me i don't give a shit decentralized
centralized there's certain areas for everything right um and i get paranoid about the token side
of things that's why everything in direct there there's just not even, it's just,
the community will do what they do, but as far as gathering tokens and cats,
it's just, you know, gamified.
Because the money side of it terrifies me on the tokenomics side.
It's like, I don't want to screw it up, right?
And so, yeah, I don't know.
That's kind of not my territory, you know?
What the hell?
Oh, I broke it.
Damn it.
It's nobody's territory, really.
Just stumbling forward.
Everybody is doing the same thing.
Because there is no right or wrong answer, you know?
It's always a spectrum of things of things yeah that's true i like the so a lot of drag stuff is built flexible
um to your point there earlier it's a lot of it is just i i hit a point where it's like i'm just
gonna do it my way okay okay i'm just gonna do it my my way. It's too hard to try to build a game and be maxi.
It's just impossible.
So, I don't know.
It's going to be what it'd be on the 22nd at 2.22.
That's my target.
Although I'm sitting in front of it, it's broke.
But there's some cool shit, dude.
I want to show you and get your feedback.
So, Crate, I kind of gave a feedback on Crate There's some cool shit, dude. I want to show you and get your feedback.
So Crate, I kind of gave a feedback on Crate on what's the mechanic.
The chip 26 is just going to be a game changer for Crate.
Rigidity said, I don't know.
It sounded like he thought maybe he might be able to do it
before the 222 hour space.
Because I told him, I was like, I was kind of hoping to do it before the two 22 hour space. Cause I was,
I told him I was like,
I was kind of hoping to do,
you know,
public beta early released of like the new crate.
And I was kind of being dancey foot around it.
And,
and he said,
well,
we'll talk about when I get back.
And I don't know.
So no promises kind of sounded optimistic,
but so that's create update,
drag update. Um, after all this in the 222
i'm i'm gonna be shutting down all like the dev constant dev on so hopefully crate is automated
and running drac is out and running and then i can go back to tang talk because i have stupid
amount of ideas and change in mindset from when i first built it to now, which I think is
healthy for where it needs to go. We see the concepts of TangTalk helped Dig get over its
naturalversial issues is essentially the tech that we use to make the connections
and transfer the data and distribute and so on.
So I'm really excited to get back to that because I think with dig coming,
I can get back to the feature set I was really wanting to do with confidence
where I know what dig is going to allow us to do,
but it just wasn't reliable enough, I guess,
for lack of better ways of saying it. It just wasn't reliable enough, I guess, for lack of better ways of saying it.
It just wasn't reliable to be able to do those things.
So I think with that coming,
and then with kind of what I've learned over the past bits
since doing some heavy dev on,
I think it's going to make it,
I think it's going to actually make it a really amazing product.
I've been looking at different ways to put it on iOS as an app and to use,
you know,
I'm hopeful that Chia vaults will be tied in someday.
And then I've been looking at some hardware things.
Anyway, there's, there's countless things,
even Chugle putting Chugle in and getting back to Chugle.
Cause that's going to be Tang talks kind of built in chia search engines
chia centric search engine i should say tang gang centric search engine that'll have like a public
rag system that feeds the data into it um about the community and so on so there's a whole
thing to go back to that and i'm really excited to get back to it
um yeah that's all i'm working on kind of rambling now i don't really have a
whole lot left to say guys are probably going to go do some work here soon
i think i said i was going to shut it down on the hour and then i rambled so
that's it's really my fault
it's a good time for all of us to go back to the drawing board and start
you know shipping away on what everybody is working on.
It's a really great time.
I keep saying it, and I say it all the time.
I feel really fortunate to be in the time, the space here.
It's a really great time to build.
I've always been an excitable builder, always.
It's just, I'm a big freaking kid at heart.
But now it's just like, there's so much serious work to get done.
There's so much potential that I've kind of overloaded myself.
I've got a really full plate.
I've got three overloaded myself. I've got a really full plate. I've got three IRL clients.
I've got three crypto main kind of projects that I need to push that have all sub projects.
And yeah, I'm excited to get some of it done.
So yeah, Mojuice, whenever you want to jump in, I don't know, give me a couple hours to wrap some things up for the house.
But over the weekend, just give me a give
me a buzz when it works for you um for me it works basically 24 7 24 7 really i must say so just like
dm nobody tells the king what to do the king's got all the time in the world
yeah like especially now that you know i'm back from my one week vacation so i'm just sitting here at home doing
my work and i can make pause at any time i want so you'll be on x and you know when you're free
we can do it hey um yesterday um michael taylor came into the tang gang um shia x group and was
asking how he could take his dick note token from sheer bridge to poles and
distribute it to his data lay minion nft holders on pole chain and now we told him this like um
there is a bridge but it's not an elegant solution it's also not efficient right now to do so from
the cost and you know return basis and there's not even like this kind of staking protocol yet and so on and
so on so you see there's like a lot of problems but i remember we were talking about tank talk
a while back how you want to distribute minutes right to your tank talk holders and for tank talk
holder it doesn't matter on which blockchain you are blockchain base or here for example right like
you would just get the minutes in your tank talk and you
see how that already would solve the problem of michael taylor wanting to distribute his dick token
but having first to bridge over to another network and he has to do multiple hops as well um chia
ethereum and then from ethereum to polk chain it would be a nightmare it would be an absolute
nightmare so maybe you know there are some synergies there
since Dandelier and Tang Talk
are very heavily synergized
already.
There is a lot of connection
between Dandelier
and Tang Talk, Michael and I.
He and I have a really great relationship.
Really enjoyed working with him.
I don't know
if he'd be interested in that,
but I do understand what you're saying.
And because the minutes don't matter where they are
and they have their subsequent value,
then you can do an exchange if he did it right.
I don't know how...
That would take me immediately back to what I was just talking about,
my fear of...
I'm a terrible trader.
Like, absolute the worst like
I build to survive this is my only job that I don't get to hang on to tokens like everybody
else like I I have to sell coins all the time it pays the bills it pays the servers I'm a terrible
trader don't really have it so I don't know i would be right back in that realm of terrified that i would
never want to somehow inadvertently tokenomics affect his and and brands and things like that so
i would have to lean on you know community members that are a lot smarter than me
on stuff like that i mean michael being one of them right he would know way better than me but yeah you're
right in theory you you absolutely could and so um i was actually doing i was talking with gpt
the other night about tokenomics and and maybe it was last week and tying talk because there
was a trillion minutes and i and i'm just trying to run through my head it's like if if if say
the first,
let's say there was 5,000 users
and you gave them one minute for every minute,
you know, how long,
and it was like 137 years or something.
And I remember thinking like,
oh shit, I might've screwed up
on just how many I made.
So to give you an example,
I just was like, well, I'll make a trillion.
Like, I'm just not good.
It's not
many territories but if we could make that bridge and make it easier than then i'd be all ears but
i would have to do it with somebody like i'd have to do it with say degen and gooey guys like you
are bullish to to do it with any sort of confidence um that would, you know, do what it's supposed to.
I'd be too nervous otherwise.
Hey, guys.
Is Riker there with you?
Oh, I was down.
Just hold on a second.
One second.
One of Riker's buddies are at the door here.
I'll be right back.
I do have to say, it is great listening to um you juice and um jeff talking about the the things that you're building and how you're building it and the tools you use i think it makes for great
learning i learned so much from just listening to conversations like this so i appreciate the uh
the willingness that you have to uh talk about the things you're building and uh and talk and
like when you're willing to, you know,
work with Drac on going through things and looking at stuff.
I think that's awesome.
So appreciate you being such a cool dude, bro.
I appreciate it.
Yeah.
I think that's the nature of the tagging that every creator learns from each
other and everybody helps out each other.
So I already know that once I've gone through that process,
now I can also
you know participate in that and teach other people if they want to start their own collection
for example know how to do things and maybe avoid the mistakes that i did and so we in the tanging
all progress together yeah that's awesome i've heard nothing but good things and seen you guys
doing the amazing stuff that you're doing um i was supposed to onboard a while back into um into the tang gang i definitely need to get back
and get through that process um some of my team already have done that so i'm looking forward
to doing pretty bad for a guy like you we got to run you through the gauntlet man
this is gonna be like frat house hazing to get you in the tank
it's actually quite the opposite like drag obviously just makes fun of it but you can
just decide to be in the tanking like you don't have to ask anybody for permission if you decide
so then this is the thing you know yeah you just have to decide correctly because if you're a schmuck
which you're not but i'm just just for the the other flip if you're a schmuck which you're not but i'm just
just for the the other flip if you're a schmuck and you claim tang gang it's going to implode
around you it's not gonna it's not gonna be a healthy way to enter the space but a guy like
you he's totally right uh mickey it's it's it's just you know this it's the same thing with your
community you just show up you lean in you look out for each other, you live the ethos, you do it with like-minded people, and then you just are a part of the entity of it, right? And then it just kind of is versus crossing a barrier, you know?
yeah that's awesome and uh no i appreciate that i definitely i'm going to go through that process
and sort that out because uh absolutely love it it's that yeah but yeah that's it and it's one
of those things in it where like people that come to um do the wrong thing or just extract value we
are adding any value kind of don't think there's anything there without many times about people
join the community or attempt to join the community and see no value
which is awesome because those that come to add more value than they take always find massive
value which is nothing to do with me and everything to do with all the people in the community you
know but it's awesome that there's the many communities out there that kind of do that that
kind of come together and lean and lift each other up. And it makes it harder for bad actors because where do they fit in if that's
not the way of things?
So, you know, let's go.
Legends, man.
Shit, dude, I got to run.
I just realized my dog is gone.
She slipped out the door.
Daisy!
Hey, can you run around and see if you can find me?
Oh, there she is.
Get in here.
Thanks, buddy.
You're a slippery pickle, this one.
I got worried there for a minute.
Yes, you.
Oh, Lord.
Yeah, sorry.
Just listening to your life brings me so much joy,
because that's what my life is
like oh i know dude this is we have a bit of a you know a kinship there i i get it when i hear
you with your family i just love it and how you guys you know it's just the mix man it's just the
daily it is life it is this is something my my parents when we talk about, I'm always trying to egg my parents into doing their own business
because they're just workhorses.
They're so talented at what they do.
And I'm like, just do it for yourself.
Like, God, stop doing it.
And it's just, yeah, dude, when it's all blended
and you're not feeling like you're doing the nine to five
and you feel wealthy in your time and the bills, as long as they're paid, it's like you just everything.
It's just, yeah, I hear similarities in your life and it's just it's it's it's it's a wealthy life.
If you can if you can get there, it really is.
Yeah.
Yeah. And it made me think about what you were saying earlier about like you as a dev, you're just happy to kind of like put things out there, even if it's like if it's wrong or if it failed or whatever.
And it reminded me that I was at a park with my kids and some woman was pushing a daughter and she started to realize I had multiple children because obviously they run over to you and talk to you and run away.
And she's like, how many children have you got?
I was like, I got five in total, but I was there with four.
She's like, how do you do it?
And I was like, honestly, I just don't do it, but every day.
So I just, I'm continuously failing.
And the secret is just to carry on being willing to fail until you get it right.
Dude, it's such a thing.
Brad and I have talked about it.
Failure is nothing more than the preparation for that moment where everything is right.
I mean, how else can it be?
What else can it be?
And you can't be afraid to fail.
You can't be afraid to put things up.
You can't wait for everything to be perfect.
It never is going to be until it is.
And if you're not ready for that moment by way of failing every other time until that moment,
moment by way of failing every other time until that moment or at least accepting the word fail
not as a harsh word but just call it a lesson instead if all you got were lessons up until
that moment you're ready for it when it happens but if you don't and that moment comes you will
never even recognize it you will not even see it it'll blow straight by you because you haven't
hit all the fail points that make it obvious yeah that's it it reminds me of uh when i was a little
bit younger um we used to be in a i used to be in a football team the football team was so good
it was just lucky that the pool of players that they got but um we once played against this team that was new to the league and they absolutely and i mean
annihilated us from start to finish and i remember our coaches talking to each other and he was like
your your team are phenomenal and he was having a conversation with each other and he was like how
did they learn to win like that and he said because i never taught them to win i taught them how to fail and even if they lost the team that won didn't feel like they won even though they
did on the scoreboard you know so i thought that was a really yeah impactful life lesson there was
that learning how to fail can play a key a key role to learning how to succeed yeah man you have
to be willing to for sure it's it's something i think everybody struggles with
in their own little way right like there's there's you can be good at it at times good at failing in
certain ways that you're comfortable and then you know other ways that you don't want to fail
you're not comfortable right it's but but being self-aware of all that and being accepting of it
in whatever way it comes is is a big piece of it.
You know, it's I don't know. It's yeah.
I feel like I learned a lot of that.
You know, 15 years or so ago when I kind of was like, I'm just not ever going to work an office job again.
This is insane.
It took me a bit to learn all of that about the failures and stuff because it's either sink or swim too right like
there's a level of survival when you you stop taking that two-week paycheck it's like i gotta
fucking survive now um and then the fails hit really hard and you go through that but god damn
i'm so glad that i've failed enough times now to understand that it's okay, at least. Right? So everyone here is at least, like, one that I'm willing to accept versus before you resist it a bit.
Right?
It makes it a bit of a struggle.
The Builder's Life, man.
I can't imagine doing anything else.
I just cannot.
Unless it was flying. I could definitely jump in a cockpit and do that for the rest of my life.
But, God, I can't. And that's not any slate on those who do do that at all, by any means.
If anything, kudos to you. If anything, I'm spoiled. And I've been spoiled for too long.
it's just, I guess it doesn't
jive with me anymore.
For a long time, for that matter.
All right.
Well, this has been fun.
The kids are out of the house it's quiet i need to get some
work done you know how that goes mickey it's so quiet here hey kids no kids
at least you got to rub it in on me at the end
i got you with a tuning brown space and you got me with an empty house
your face is tonight right isn't there one at like five my time or something, I think?
Yes, we do have a space tonight.
We're interviewing a musician.
Why don't you tell us before we close out?
Yes, so thank you.
Tonight at nine o'clock UK time, which is in four hours and 25 minutes, I believe.
No, sorry, three hours and 25 minutes.
We're interviewing someone
called almond uh i don't think we've featured him before um i actually we got him signed on
through his i think it's his mom his mom is um she has a project called um mud mavericks
uh she is an ethical hacker she's a really she's a really cool lady. She does a lot around cybersecurity.
But her son's a musician, so we're featuring him tonight to learn about him and his music.
And he's putting his music on the blockchain.
So, yeah, it's going to be a great conversation.
And we're going to hear some awesome music as well.
So we're looking forward to that.
Sweet, man.
That sounds awesome.
Well, I hope you have a really great show.
Thanks for coming up.
Mojus, thanks for coming up, buddy, and hanging out.
Appreciate all the insights and the go-for-economy and all the things.
We will talk very soon.
Get you in, getting some feedback on you.
It's going to use the perspective on track.
Andy, thanks for coming up as well, buddy.
Really looking forward to our 222-hour space, dude.
I think it's going to be a lot of fun.
I think I might even go brush up on a few things and get prepped for it. Thanks for coming space, dude. I think it's going to be a lot of fun. I think I might even go brush up on a few things and
get prepped for it.
Thanks for coming up, dude.
I'll ping you if I get the time
to do CLI
tortoises and if I think that's going to be a thing
for our space.
Warden, looking forward
to the hackathon with you, dude. That's going to be
fun. Thanks for those who joined
in for the little lesson on Postman
APIs and how to use them
and what does it all mean, Buggles.
Hope you all have a great
day, a great weekend. Go touch the grass,
hug your family, and then
go build some cool shit.
Have a great day. Come on! I'm out of this house and that's the clothes I got to wear.
I can get out of my home and get a foot in that hair.
Your mom's in it and said, what's that noise?
