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DEV🕶️TIME #6
Recorded: Oct. 31, 2024 Duration: 0:56:28Space Recording
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Okay, hello everyone, I actually need to be also added as a co-host.
Okay, just a second, yes, okay, I should be settled in, all right everyone, let me, we have
a Diogo here, yes, let me invite you as a speaker.
Hello Diogo, I send you the speaker invite, you should be able to accept it.
I still see you as a listener, I don't know if you accept it already, can you speak?
Invite to speak, please check, I'm here alone, please join me guys.
Hello Diogo, okay, yeah, okay, great, how are you doing?
Great, good morning, good morning, I think Vadim should join as well, right, Diogo, do you know,
do you have, okay, so hello Diogo, so how are you doing?
I'm fine, thank you, how are you?
Awesome, thank you, actually, I need to admit, I'm kind of skeptical or worried,
you will be the only representative today joining because I wasn't able to reach other guys today.
But where do you live, actually, do you live in Mexico?
Yeah, yeah, I live in near Mexico City.
So, yeah, for me, it's morning, it's 8 a.m., how about you?
For me, it's 3 p.m., so it's probably better, like, than for you.
Yeah, no, it's great.
Okay, hello Vadim, welcome as well, how are you doing?
Hello, I'm good, how are you, Claire?
Hello, hello, Diego, hello everyone, hey, Dima.
Thanks for not seeing me at the end.
Okay, so as I already mentioned, I'm afraid Diego will be the only actually guest joining today
because I wasn't able to get a response from other participants today
or even in the past days.
I know StockX project had problems because their team or the devs are at university
and there were some troubles if they can join or if they can join.
And I think Diego is from the ZK Stark, if I'm not mistaken, am I right?
No, I'm from Skola.
Skola, yeah.
Okay, okay, Skola, yeah, all right.
And then guys from the ZK Stark, they actually respond, but I wasn't able to get them.
But never mind, we're just gonna start with the dev time and maybe they will join later.
Just for you to give you guys introduction of this space.
Today, we're gonna have winners of the last barathon season.
To be specific, the sixth season, we had three winners.
First, we're ZK Stark, Mixer, Skola, and StockX.
And we're gonna talk about their or hear Diego's experience with building on Vara.
Maybe he can share some of his feedback and then we can have this kind of like contrast
of having core devs asking questions or Diego asking questions.
So, no more talking of me.
And Diego, please, can you introduce yourself?
Maybe tell us something about yourself.
If you are a developer, how did you get in Web3?
Or what was the, you know, the vision or idea behind Skola?
How this, you know, happened?
Yeah, of course.
So, yes, my name is Diego.
I live in a small city near Mexico City.
And I've been involved in Web3 since, well, as a developer since late 2020.
Actually, one of the first smart contract introductions that I had was given to me by
Luis, who is also DevRel at Vara now.
And he was one of the first ones to give me like a formal introduction
to smart contracts and explain to me how different chains might serve different purposes.
And since then, I've been developing.
I've also developed a lot for Ethereum.
And I like the experience also.
But yeah, for for Skola, the project started in in I think it was February of this year
with a couple other friends who are also developers.
We have the idea of, okay, so what's the the reason that people don't actually
are learning that much with online courses?
And why do people prefer things like Duolingo, right?
So we started like reading about it and asking some questions and having some hypotheses.
And we saw that there was really a big fit for taking the online learning experiences to the
Web3 space or the Web3 industry.
And since then, I think it was February or March, we have been working on making like small incremental
steps toward building a product that can be used by millions even.
And yeah, so we participated in the last season of of the marathon.
And that was also a great experience because we have to put the pressure on ourselves and
and actually ship an MVP.
Oh, that's great.
I remember your your presentation at Barathon.
So your project excited me.
It was very like good, very interesting education project.
Besides other projects.
So you're like you're going to serve the world of studying students, education stuff like scholar.
Yeah.
So it was great.
Yeah.
So our idea is also that there's lots of people who have some sort of expertise.
Um, in some things that might not even be related to, to technology.
For example, uh, there's lots of courses online on how to, uh, take better
photography or maybe some things dedicated to influencers on how to make a bigger online
presence or something more career related, like programming stuff or,
or all sorts of stuff.
And what we are trying to build is like a framework that is easy to use for many people.
So it shouldn't be more difficult than setting up like your Twitter account or,
or any account for that matter.
And you should be able to start monetizing, uh, really quick, your experience.
And also like providing a very robust integration for the certificates, right?
Because if the certificates are on chain, that's great news for all of the people who are
participating in your course, because they are going to be able to retrieve their certificate
or their proof of learning as we're calling these anytime and they can go and maybe land their
next job and put that as a credential there.
So, yeah, that's the world we envision where learning is like much more horizontal and much more
open than it actually is right now.
Can you please give a few more explanations about the monetization part?
Uh, because I can see at this point, uh, no, any reason to come to you rather than come to
Coursera or something else, do I have an expertise, why do I need to learn something?
Yeah.
But I, if I have no expertise, I can go to the like web two courses, which are, uh, totally free
and they're like tests cost nothing for me.
Yeah.
So we think that there's space for all kinds of things.
Maybe you can set up even like tiers, right?
So you can set up a free tier, but maybe you can set up like one, one calls, or maybe you can set up
like some sort of certificate that costs some money for the students and gets you some money.
But that's also valuable, I think.
And also there's another way to get like, um, money involved.
That is incentives.
So one difference that we have like with Coursera or even, uh, Duolingo is that we are aiming to take,
um, gamification to a next level with actually having, uh, money incentives.
So for example, if we were in a learning community for studying French, for example,
the owner of that community or the teacher, uh, could set up like a quiz and say, so the, the five
top scoring students will have like a free month of one-to-one calls or some things like that,
where people might need to be able to bet on, on themselves and actually get more involved because
there's money on the table. That's also a way that, um, money could be involved, but yeah,
I think there's also room for, uh, free content, but that's actually an incentive for lots of people
that have some expertise and want to put that out in the world to get some money back.
Interesting. All right. Uh, so we actually have, uh, someone, uh, applying for requesting to speak.
So, uh, I'm gonna add as a speaker, maybe we will get some question or maybe it's one of the
marathon participants. I cannot say right now with this handle, uh, let's wait for GPX free to join.
Hello. Hello.
Are you coming to ask some question for Diego or the ViraCore devs or?
I got some questions for Vira Network, if anybody can answer them.
Okay. If they are related to tech, feel free to ask.
Are you guys going to have any updates on regarding to, um, Vira Network or what's going on? Because
for the past nine months, it's been incredibly negative with the, with the charts and everything.
Yeah. Hello.
Uh, yes. I'm sorry. We just lost him as a speaker. So I think there is been actually,
if you are in telegram or if Vadim or Dima want to give you some maybe technical updates, uh, feel free,
Vadim to grab the mic. If I should give you the answer, you actually can just follow the announcement
channels for all the updates. So for example, recently in Mexico was a mega hackathon for Vira.
So, you know, it takes some time to build a new ecosystem.
Then also, um,
No, my question, my question is why has Vira has been performing so badly?
Okay. So your question is more, more for, uh, tokenomic side, which I apologize is not really
the point of the space. So we are discussing only technical aspects. So thank you for joining.
Uh, cannot add Dima as a speaker. I really apologize for this interruption, but Diego, let's go back to
you. Meanwhile, Dima is going to join. Um, Oh, sorry. I also had some problems.
Are you back? Yeah. Okay. Awesome. So my question for Diego was if he can share maybe his experience
with building on Vira, if you go, you know, if you discover some challenges or, uh,
how was it overall? Okay. Yeah. So well, my experience started with, uh, reading the,
the documentation, because I think there's some pretty interesting, uh, nuances. If you're coming from
developing in web two or even in some other, uh, blockchains, um, the gear protocol and Vira network
have some, some special things that actually make a lot of sense and can enable you to build a better,
uh, user experience and better smart contracts. But you definitely need to read some of the
documentation first to get familiarized with the, with the terms and the different kinds of actors
involved. So that's how my experience started. And then what I did was like, uh,
uh, taking the actual, uh, uh, online course, uh, but academy, I think it's called or gear academy.
I'm not really sure, but they have like an introductory smart contract that you need to develop,
but they guide you step by step. So once you've done that, you feel a lot more comfortable to start
working on your design. And I really, uh, put lots of thinking into my smart contract.
maybe it's a simple smart contract, but we wanted to be sure that we cover all of the edge cases and all
of the important stuff. So once I had like a general description of what I was expecting the smart
contract to do, I just started, uh, trying, I was also learning rust at the time. Well, I'm still learning
the smart contract to do that. So it was like, uh, a pretty good experience because once you have clear
how the, the different kinds of actors work in the year protocol on, on bar network, you can start
like, uh, changing the, the way you design programs from web two to these new paradigm. And then when you
have like everything clear, it's pretty easy to get going, uh, then we have to do some debugging and we
still have some, some things that we want to improve like, um, gas abstraction or, uh, abstracted accounts
in general, but that's a bit more advanced. So I think where our MVP is right now is a pretty good starting
point. But yeah, I'd say I had a, a really good experience and also there's the sales.js package.
I think that's fairly new. And this also gives you a pretty good developer experience because what we
are doing is like running, uh, next JS application and the, um, smart contracts in, uh, monorepo. So it's
pretty comfortable to export the interface from the build process of the smart contracts into the
JavaScript or well type script and have support for what is going to happen when you transfer data,
if that makes sense. Hey guys, can you hear me right now? Yeah. Yes. Yes. Finally,
it was like three times I tried to connect back and there was always some problems. And I had a question
for you about your project. I had a, an answer for the guy who just quit, uh, about like nine months
of the developer of developing in water and gear protocol. And at this point, uh, I would like to
say that we are super glad to hear some positive feedback about our stack, about our platform that
we are developing. And, uh, my question is having a positive feedback is, is always great. Yeah. But,
uh, have you faced some troubles, uh, with sales, with the understanding how it works, how wire network
works and maybe what was the most complicated part of developing your project until MVP stage. Yeah.
Yeah. Thanks for being open for negative feedback as well, but I'd say my experience has been overall
good. I think I found some bug in the sales package related to, uh, some types that might be because my
linter in typescript might be, uh, enforcing some strict rules, but yeah, I remember that to,
to fix it, I have to manually override like two lines of the sales exported, uh, file, but it's pretty
minor. I don't remember right now what was it, but I think it was a type problem related to how the
address was being exported. So I might have, I might have to, to do it again and write a bug report for it to be
more, more explicit or very clear. But I'd say my experience has been overall good. I think the stack is
really powerful and really performant. Um, also, as you know, uh, working with next has some, some challenges
regarding like the server side rendering and the server actions and the client actions. So I guess for me,
it was a bit challenging, like trying to introduce the wallet into my next app, but maybe that's not
necessary for all developers because there's a template for react, which is pretty similar.
But yeah, I think that was the more challenging part, but that's not like a problem specific for,
for, for gear or Vara. It's more of a Polkadot in general and maybe even like, uh, yeah. So the,
the problem is that, um, that the wallets have lots of dependencies and when you try to manually
install another version of the wallet, you can struggle a lot because, uh, well, dependencies are
really hard to solve, but nothing related to, to you guys directly.
Yeah, that's cool. But it's common problem with the wallets, you know, because it's all about the
pros and cons of, uh, being substrate based, being, uh, Polkadot compatible. And there is like a few
wallets and all of them have a few like issues because it's super general instrument to do something,
uh, with, uh, with ecosystem of a lot of projects. So yeah, uh, thank you for your feedback. It was
super helpful, I guess, uh, for us. And, uh, it will be super useful for our upcoming dev time,
I guess, if you have one about the gear exam and we could compare maybe some sales programs to
Ethereum, uh, native solidity programs. And so, so that's all about the feedbacks we are trying to
collect. We are trying to increase your user experience of our libraries, um, being similar to
everybody who have ever, uh, written anything in solidity, but, uh, make it much cheaper, much faster
and better in any terms.
Yes. So I'll be really happy to try the new, uh, EXE, um, I guess, yeah, it's, I guess it's a framework.
I don't know what are you guys calling it, but I haven't tried that yet. Hopefully for the next
edition of dev time, I will be able to provide you some feedback, but it seems really interesting to,
to scale computing because of course, nobody is doing computing on chain on layer one, for example,
because it's really expensive. It's really slow. It might be even unreliable for some gas problems.
So I'm really excited to, to leverage the, the gear protocol in this use case.
Yeah. It will also help with monetization about, uh, using some tokens that already exist in Ethereum
and everyone of us could have them. For example, USDT, uh, anything else which is present on Ethereum,
you could use it, interact with it, uh, for your sales program, and it will be possible just
switching one feature in your Cargatomal and that's it. And you could like deploy your program on Ethereum.
Yes, that's amazing. That's going to be really useful because yeah, as you said, many people are
expecting, for example, uh, USDC on Ethereum for certain things, because it has, uh, became, uh, like a, uh, gold standard for,
for liquidity and for many reasons, right? So it's really great news to be able to do that natively.
Yeah. If you don't mind, can we come back, uh, to, to the concept of your, uh, of your project? Because
I just got this legs, you know, and I had a question about the security of how do you protect, uh, your,
like users from being, uh, let's say hacked. Uh, for example, you just started a new quiz, uh, with like
10 BUSDT reward and, uh, Vadim got all answers right. And, uh, from my, from my side, uh, I didn't
learn anything. I didn't study anything, but I, uh, I've been like monitoring the chain. I've been
looking from, uh, to Vadim's transactions. So what's like the defense from these situations?
Yeah, you have a really important point for the moment. What we did, and we know this is just a
quick fix, but it's, uh, allowing only the first one to claim the reward, but this is not optimal because
we want to have several winners. And what we are thinking that we can do is have, uh, the exams be
some sort of pool of, let's say 10 questions and then each participant gets three random questions
and that could be like a way to, to fix this or to improve it. But we think there might be more options
for now. What we are doing is that in the, we have like a create quiz transaction and we have like
a play quiz transaction. And when we create the quiz, we are also, uh, we are declaring like two vectors,
right? The first vector has all the questions and the second one has all the answers. So we think that
here is a really great place to introduce the CK aspects of what is possible to do in Vara network.
We think that is what we actually will end up embracing because yeah, if we have like a tech savvy
community with people as Vadim and you that might be able to hack our system, we will be able to
protect ourselves to protect ourselves using some CK. So we would have to structure the quizzes in
another way to be compatible with, with CK. But we think that's one of the next steps as well.
I see one solution to this, uh, like you can set your quizzes, uh, like time-based quizzes. So
uh, all the people can cancel the quizzes like in some time and after, for example, one day the quiz just
come into end closes and after that you can disclose all the participant answers and then reward all the
participants. So by the time while the quiz is open, uh, you can securely, uh, catch the answers by the users
and by some algorithm. I cannot remember the name. So you can like securely a message between the participants
and no one will be able to see on chain their, their answers like in plain text. So at the end of the quiz,
all the participants should wait to the end so they can have some rewards if they're right.
So yeah, it's like the time-based quiz or maybe participant count based quiz. So
while it's open, you, you cannot see the answers, uh, for the, all the questions.
So yeah, I think you can ask ChatGPT about this. It's just like a simple algorithm that you can implement
for the, all the on-chain games, but you need to implement the, um,
hashing parts and security part,
algorithms to have a private keys and exchange it between the participants of the quiz.
Um, I can look into it because I was searching for the solution before
and it's not actually related to ZK stuff. It's like all down chain in contract.
All right. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. That's also a really good idea. I will look later into,
into how we could be able to do this, but yeah, it's also really interesting to have it like time-based
that could solve. The main point is that you can just hide the answers provided by the other
participants. So no one knows who, uh, who answered what, you know?
Yeah, that's really interesting. Um, do you think we would do that like on the front end before
interacting with the blockchain? So the blockchain only sees the encrypted answers?
Uh, I think you need to implement, implement this into the contracts. So like the first time
participant interacts with your contract, they need to exchange some private keys or, you know,
public keys and store his private keys. So yeah, you just need to, to, uh, initialize the connection,
messaging connection between the contract and, um, participant. Yeah. But yeah, you can look up
about this into some ChatGPT or maybe something like this. And also ChatGPT can provide you some other
algorithms that can be used into your application. So it's a great way to explore anyway.
Yeah. Still being like, uh, I can propose you one more solution if you want,
about starting a quiz with, uh, some, uh, new key pair when you publish your public key. And, uh,
at the, at the point of the creation of the keys, you do not reveal your secret key,
your private key. So, uh, and everyone, uh, on submitting their answers, they use just like shared
secrets with your private key because they need their, uh, privates plus your, your public,
and they encode it, submit to you. And at the end of this squeeze, you, you're like, um,
you're forced to submit your private key. And then when, when the contract has this private key,
it can, uh, verify all of the answers, uh, and reveal them to the community, to the, everyone on
chain. So it, it will be much more easier than implementing some of the key stuff, but still
useful and still secure for you. So it's like better to consider it as an option.
Yes. That sounds easier to implement and you're right. That could also solve the problem.
Thanks. Amazing feedback.
Okay. So I'm going to step in, uh, Diego, would you also have some questions for, uh,
Vadim or Dima in terms of, uh, you know, or developing or anything you would want?
Just so we don't have on the deck asking you.
Yes. So, well, I guess I already have some pretty good feedback, but how do you think I can
improve the user experience or make it easier for, uh, people who are not yet in web three to start using
these tools? So I think having like the, the gasless transactions might be a really important part.
We were also thinking that if we charge some, some sort of fee, we can cover all, all of the gas with
vouchers or some other techniques. So the users don't really need to, to be thinking of these gas and maybe
don't even think about wallets. Well, they might need to think to claim some rewards or whatever,
but not in a negative way. So what else do you think we could implement to make it, uh, user friendly?
Um, I think, uh, it's super great to have like signless transactions, having pay less transactions with
vouchers. Uh, and if I were you, I would consider my target auditory for, so for example, if you're
aiming to, uh, be spread across the guys from crypto, they don't need any kind of abstraction
because they have wallets. They could, could, could not have talking, but they have wallets.
So that's the thing why I think you, you shouldn't implement, uh, signless transactions and going
further about how to improve user experience. Uh, I would go maybe with some collaborations with
other projects, uh, built on Wara or built whatever else, uh, about, um, installation of your, uh, web
free application to their common front ends from web two. So for example, if I have some, uh, if I own
Coursera and I have some courses there, uh, I should be able to implement your, like, you know, the widget on
my website, which will be interacting with the blockchain, with water or anything else, for
example, with Ethereum, using gear X there. Uh, so I think it's the key point for adoption, uh, adoption
of web free at all, uh, for future. And it, it will be super great for your project. If it will be
possible to use this for the common guys from not, not from crypto.
Yeah, I was also thinking of these being, uh, so for example, being able to put some, some sort of
quiz inside of your website, but I struggled a lot with getting like the theoretical part of it straight
in my head because, um, I was looking to, to have the quizzes be like some sort of iframe that people
could just copy and paste into their website. But I think iframes are not able to interact
with browser extensions, for example. So I couldn't solve that part of, of the integration
in my head, but I really love to have this be some portable thing as people are already using embeds
to put maybe like a Spotify player in their website or some YouTube video player. They could also have
these amazing, like, uh, interaction with the blockchain in their website, but I'm not really
sure how you could do that. Do you have any ideas on that specifically?
I think we need a few front end developers here because it looks like some component on their react
maybe, uh, which will aggregate all of the logic requested to interact with the chain.
So, uh, um, the main idea is to embed the quiz into some sort of web page, other page like Coursera. So
anyone can pass quizzes, uh, on Coursera, but with your quizzes from scholar, is it right?
Yeah, that would be a, uh, use case. So the easiest way I think is to implement your own browser extension,
maybe so it can like edit any pages in the browser. But if you talk about iframes, so I think there,
there should be a solution how to interact with the extensions in the iframe space.
Uh, yeah, I, I think it's not necessary to go with some extension because not everyone wants
to install some extensions and it's more like to make it as easy to use as some popular products
from web tool, for example, with let, uh, Marquis, if I'm not mistaken, some of these guys, uh, which are
huge in a web tool because they're like monopolies or, or for this market of quizzes, you know, and
it's super easy to integrate to your website because it's just a component that you need to add in your
code. So, uh, I would aim something like this. You need some prepared components, some, uh, some designs
and you need like, uh, maybe you could use your own backend, which, uh, these applications could interact
with, but it's not necessary because you can just implement a few RPC calls, uh, to like RPC node
so far or Ethereum, uh, it will be enough, I guess.
I have an idea that you can promote not only the blockchain stuff with your quizzes, but you can
make a framework, uh, to promote your own framework to build quizzes and anyone can build your, their own
quizzes without the blockchain part. So you can just gain the, the audience by the, not by the, your
blockchain part, but with your main product. Like I want to build some quizzes to my friends for my work,
for my students. So they can use, uh, this framework and if they want, they can incentivize by adding the
blockchain parts, the wallets, the crypto stuff. So you can elaborate on that. So like you can embed your
quizzes without the need of blockchain into some web pages and make a note and then there in
in these quizzes that we actually have an option to like, if you, if you go to our webpage, our
application, like scholar, you can turn on the blockchain parts. You can like incentivize your
time. You can earn some money on with the quizzes. So yeah, I think this is the way to go.
Yeah, that's a cool point. Yeah. Also that's, that's exactly the place where your monetization
could take place. Uh, because you could provide like, uh, some restricted functionality to build
quizzes, uh, without incentivizing, incentivizing them, uh, without publishing on a blockchain where
you just operate with your customers in the web tool world. And then if they want, they could, uh, buy
your subscription. So you could cover your expenses or on a blockchain part or on, uh, issuing vouchers
and so on. Uh, so it will be cheap or even free for their, uh, target users, but it will be, uh, like
profitable for you because you will have the money from the subscriptions on a monthly basis, like the
common, the common pattern. Yes. So well, our vision already is thinking on something like that because
what we were trying to build is like, okay, so you can enter this website and you can create your quiz.
So that part is already there. And the next part would be to, well, you could share a link to the,
to play the quiz and that would be happening on our domain, right? That would be scola.space
slash the quiz ID. And that is already what we are doing on our MVP. But I think it would be amazing
to have this happen in, in some other sites, as you said, like maybe Coursera or their own web pages
with some, some of the people that already have there, but maybe what we need to do is like first
implement the, um, the, the gasless part of it. So then we can implement like maybe social accounts.
So for people that don't want to log in with a wallet, they can log in with Google and that might be
more compatible with, uh, site embedding or iframes or some technology like this, because you only,
when the, when the page loads, you might need to sign in with Google or something like that.
And then we have like, uh, abstractive account for you. So that might be like the way we end up solving it.
But yes, amazing feedback. I think you guys are, are right.
All right. Awesome. So since we are already 47 minutes in, I'm going to step in a little bit,
we should wrap it up. And maybe before we will finish, I will ask you some like future plans of
your project. Also, I don't know. Uh, I think we didn't mention maybe how many of you is actually
working on Sola and then, uh, yeah, maybe some future plans what you are currently focusing on. And yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. So for the moment we have like two people working on this consistently. So that's me,
um, Antonio, who is also, um, a Mexican developer, but we have been collaborating for some parts of it
with other two developers. They are called Arturo and Francisco. So shout out to them. But what we want
to do is to, to keep building this product until we have something that is market ready. We have also
some, we have been talking to one of the schools, uh, they have like from a bachelor's to higher degrees
and they might be interested in, in testing her product. We don't know yet if they are going to
try this like in a test net environment to don't spend or they will be like interested in actually
testing it with full blown money and incentives and everything. But yeah. So in that case, we would
need like at least a couple other developers. So we could like quickly iterate our product and end up with
a good enough product that we could start selling it. Right. Because as of now, I think we are still
missing some things that make it like more appealing to customers, but we are really trying to get this to
market as soon as possible and maybe even apply for some accelerators or some sort of grants out there
because we think that the market is so big and it has been like stagnated for the couple years
that we might be able to, to tackle these problems and actually make it like mass, a mass product.
Yeah. It's always important to be in time on the market. Yeah. There is a lot of things that didn't
work well in the history of Web3 and the Web2 just because they, they wasn't in time or maybe too early,
maybe too late to implement some solutions. But anyway, it's great that you understand this and follow
your like plan. Yeah. Thank you. We also think that maybe a couple years ago, people were trying to
implement many things on chain, but the technology wasn't ready or maybe the adoption wasn't really
there. But we think that now is a good time because the smart contracts aren't really that complex.
what we're doing on chain is pretty simple. I would not say like easy or I would wouldn't downplay the
the work you guys or even us as developers are doing, but it's pretty simple. It's easy to explain like,
okay, so we're just starting to do two types of vectors and maybe if we have the encryption part of it,
it still is simple. And I think that that simplicity takes some time to develop, but we now know that
the problem is there that people aren't finishing the courses that when you have like some Coursera
certificate, I can edit the PDF and write, um, maybe Badim's or Claire's name on it. And nobody can verify
and Coursera doesn't bother to verify the certificates. And there's also like really big things that
are being left out. And that as you guys said, they have some like monopoly and they don't care to
improve. So I think that's the perfect storm to have a crypto consumer product take over.
I just came up with the idea that developing or releasing something a few years ago on the Web3
was a bad idea only because WARA wasn't yet in life.
So yeah, maybe that's true.
Oh my God, Dima.
Just if you're fucked, you know.
How else to promote WARA, right?
Okay. Well, WARA is the best. That's what Dima believes in. That's what he
promotes and he is not even, you know, quiet about this.
Yeah. The next thing will be the gear.exe.
So yeah, we're waiting for it.
Okay. So guys, I think we are already in 50 minutes. I know you are having a beautiful discussion
about all these technical things. I hope maybe Diego got some feedback. We also got some
beneficial feedback and it was, you know, nice for both sides to spend the time here together.
Before we will finish, obviously, if you guys have maybe some last question, either for Diego or Diego,
for Vadim or Dima, feel free, go ahead now. I'm going to give you maybe one or two last questions
and then we would wrap it up.
Yeah, it was a great session. I wish you good luck with your project, your team, Diego.
And I hope you will find your supporters, your audience and a great way to
to implement something new in this space, the space of quizzes.
Thank you very much. Yeah. So, um, I want to thank all of the team, especially the
uh, the VARA representatives in Latin America and Mexico, uh, because they've been really helpful
and they've been really supportive. I'd want to, to shout out, uh, Luis and Karen and Javier and many other,
um, parts of this VARA team because they've been really, really there for us.
And I think that's also one of the main reasons that we've come this far. And even if it's just an MVP,
we are really inspired to keep going. And, and yeah, guys, I'm also really glad to meet you.
And I have one question for you and is, that is, what would be like, um,
um, a version of this product that you'd be willing to invest in that could be like, not only money wise,
but I'm talking like to have like some mentorships or have some, maybe some, some more tokens so we can
start like testing her product in the, in the wild.
I don't know about the, uh, like some tokens or everything. It's better to talk to Luis, maybe,
uh, he could know, but about mentoring or sharing some ideas, you can always come to our
telegram group. You could always come to our, to our, uh, deep core and we could discuss everything
you want, uh, related to tech and we will never like reject your, uh, questions or whatever else.
Yeah, you can come to us. I really like brainstorming some product ideas, not the technical stuff, but
the way how the people can, you can interact with the products, with the applications. So yeah, I would
like to, to participate in these discussions, discussions more. So yeah, we, we can host some
emails about it in the future. Amazing. That would be great also. Thank you guys.
Okay. Well, thanks to you, Diego, really appreciate for you coming here. You actually saved us
because we were supposed to have two more, uh, Warathon participants. So, uh, thank you for coming. I hope
you enjoyed and had a great time. I would like to also, before we're going to finish, invite you,
all of you who came for the next time, it's going to be actually with Nikolai, who is founder of Gear.
And, uh, we will be discussing the newest, latest, uh, Gear access. So, uh, thanks everyone who joined.
This session is recorded, so you can step by and listen to it anytime. Thanks once more for
Diego for coming. Thanks to Dima and Vadim for joining. You know, uh, it was a pleasure to be
here with you guys today and have a great day and see you at the next one.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Claire. Thank you. Thank you. Bye. Bye.
Yeah. Thank you. See you next time.
